doom-eternal

[strange gale]

why wouldn't you be able to gk them? they have a stagger threshold just like every other enemy except you never see it since there's no reason to go for anything other than one taps

[mossy nova]

I have gotten so good sometimes i dont take damage on nightmare

[sacred dirge]

That's what I like to hear

[ivory ore]

Tag 3 reel?? Fr fr 😱😳

[wispy garden]

The gap in difficulty between ultra Violence and nightmare is absolutely insane once they start getting buffs. Its way too much. Any demon with a CC attack like whiplash, carcass, tyrant, or archvile or sometimes a doom hunter, they can literally pingpong ball you back and forth and theres nothing you can do about it. At least in ultra violence you can at least freezebomb under your feet if you have one in stock, but on nightmare theres just no time to do anything, and even IF you escape, youre running away with 10 health and trying to scrounge emergency resources by darting around and hoping you avoid heavies long enough to farm fodder.

Theres just NOT ENOUGH equipment for some of these situations. I want a crowd control rune that prevents knockbacks , theres not enough escapability and survivability tools for how ridiculously overwhelming this difficulty gets let game.

Im determined to get those ultra nightmare milestones but i dont think i can do it.

Anyone have ANY kind of tips. Its that Cc. Its already enough of a problem constantly being clipped by fodder that never seem to miss because your focus HAS to be on taking out the heaviest demons as fast as possible. Im getting frustrated and im out of ideas.

Ive beaten every game ive ever played on the hardest mode, but i don’t think i can get through this one

[copper hatch]

How do I destroy the eyes of kalibas?

I've tried shooting it, punching it, and exploding it. how do I destroy the eyes?

[pseudo thistle]

Shoot it more

[unborn beacon]

shoot it from a farther distance

[ivory ore]

Work on strafing and quickswapping. Your attention is required to take out the heavies, yeah, but know which ones to prioritize over others. For example: a Mancubus, hell knight, arachnotron, and whiplash are in an arena. For me, personally, I’d focus on manc > whiplash > arach > hell knight. Reason being manc can be a literal road block, and unless you have your ice bomb or grenades/stun weapon in hand you’re bound to get hit by him, which obviously is gonna deal a lot of damage

[dry perch]

dont die lmao

[ivory ore]

Best thing you can do for yourself is using your suit’s equipment when it’d give the best opportunity, or in other words when you can wreck shit easily. Here’s a playlist of videos that focus primarily on strafing, and using equipment

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLipv5354cgmigl8sMCRD6DiDPhjoErfHJ

I recommend watching nekravol or something bc everything beforehand is boring as shit

[wispy garden]

I got pretty good at quick swapping on marauders and i dont have too much of a problem with them. Cyber mancubus i freeze bomb and blood punch twice. Baron, i chaingun shield and double frag grenade. Tyrants, i stun with plasma heat, then keep it stunned with a blood punch to build up another heat blast, double frag, heat blast again, then blood punch, then i hit it with a rocket.
I have pretty good feel and sense for the game mechanics, its just certain things amd situations like, prowlers didnt give me a hard time until nightmare, then they became. HUGE problem in nightmare, they went from being just being a nuisance to being all out back stabbing assassins. The second i see that annoying purple ball of energy get thrown at me, i have to focus on when to dash and it throws me off balance and ill get clipped by other attacks. Especially with a speed buff, prowlers can make you go from full health to almost dead in a split second.
I wish i had that sentinel hammer on me at all times but i dont unlock that until ancient gods 2 and im not quite there yet

[ivory ore]

Try to record your gameplay whenever you can, some people here are willing to give suggestions where improvement can be made

[sacred dirge]

Great suggestion. I try to record everything these days

[lyric pike]

Demonic Trooper says hi

[azure oriole]

demonic troopers are literally just humans

[lyric pike]

technically not wrong since they’re a 2016 Multiplayer Character, but still, demonic trooper’s an enemy with no gk.

[azure oriole]

most ambient demons dont have a gk

idk if the buff totem counts

[dry perch]

aint they fodders?

[azure oriole]

demonic troopers, buff totems, spirits, tentacles, and turrets are ambient demons

[dry perch]

o lol

[azure oriole]

same with cueballs

forgot him lol

[lyric pike]

well they do it seems, if they classify as ambient demons

honestly would’ve been funny to see the 2016 player glory kills return for the troopers

[azure oriole]

i meant the buff totem "glory kill" animation

like does that count as a glory kill?

bc I was saying that ambient demons dont have a gk bc they are one-shot kills

[lyric pike]

in my eyes if it plays the little note when you go into the gk it is gk

[azure oriole]

true

[lyric pike]

I know chainsaw also does the sound but buff totem also charges your bp like other gks so :p

[azure oriole]

yea

[lyric pike]

but going back to this, would’ve been nice to see some of those animations return, people may be mad for “laziness” but hey work smarter not harder.

though not a necessity since demonic troopers are ez kills lol

[azure oriole]

eh, id say what we got was exceptionally good as a whole

[lyric pike]

yeah it’s pretty good, I just like to spitball things that would’ve been cool to see even though realistically they wouldn’t really implement due to not being too significant for the game

[azure oriole]

the only thing I would ask of ID software is one more master level before its all over

[lyric pike]

would be nice yeah

especially for the console guys, moving to pc has made me forget how much less content there is when mods aren’t a factor.

[azure oriole]

people like midnight and HMG are suggesting mod support but I'm like nah-

[topaz quail]

My fuckin doom eternal crashed right when i beat the doom hunter boss in ultra nightmare

like as soon the doom guy went into the portal shit makes me so mad bro

[strange gale]

you can just load up that save, you lost no progress

[topaz quail]

its just bothersome

[azure oriole]

mood

[mossy nova]

should i delete my first save ?

[azure oriole]

if you want

[burnt moss]

Yeah I was making the joke that you could die on the menu if you were playing UN, it’s that unfair.

Yeah new game

TAG 3???

[burnt moss]

Multiple PB or Ballista shots will do it

[sacred dirge]

We ll find out when quakecon occurs. I'd guess if there is no announcement for a new project we can expect something for eternal

[azure oriole]

Ah

[topaz quail]

it happened again

doom eternal crashed outta nowhere

i was doin super gore mission

[dry perch]

the pain

[azure oriole]

Focus on evasion movement. think of using your dashes and jumps/double jumps to constantly be moving the moment something fires at you. If you stand still or move predictably too much in same direction the range units will hit you. So you have to always keep moving. Use those and also slinghook, in combination with dashing and jumping, like start a jump with strafe and jump to the side, that's a 'free dash' then dash in air to other side jump again dash again, or double dash to side, hook in air now you are in air, important that you must hit ground for dashes to refill, but practice that on some imp or whatever just jumping side to side whilst dashing and hooking it, also ballista boost is key to get away. Air control will make this super easy since you can change direction in mid air making ranged miss you a lot. I also recommend to make it easier for you the glorykill speed booster rune. Also think about to get bloodpunch refilled so you can clear a surround with bloodpunch grenades and flamebelch and get quickly high armor again.

[dry perch]

i was doing a extra life on nightmare and i was at the escape part ML sgn and it crashed this was months ago

[topaz quail]

dang

[azure oriole]

the thing that is tough for new players with nightmare is you take so much damage that you have to keep moving constantly, whilst you are firing. You can't stand still or move too much in one direction like in lower difficulty cause they very aggressive and do massive damage. And so it's key to practice constant evasion as part of the fighting. Also dashing diagonal is very useful not just side to side. And also circling them.

[topaz quail]

do u think there will ever be a new doom game

[topaz quail]

i just started playing nightmare mode and its been the most fun thing ever

[azure oriole]

oh for sure, it's great fun

[topaz quail]

its like my reaction can see the bullets

I feel like doom makes u cracked at games like cod

i was playin cold war n got a 30kills n 5 deaths

maybe its the shitty match making tho

[dry perch]

well aim practice hell yeah

[topaz quail]

cause i got switched 3 games later with sweats

[azure oriole]

for sure doom is a game with very high skill ceiling, so undoubtedly it helps you. Try playing nightmare with no air control if you want it to translate more into other games, cause the air control is kind of making it very easy. Then without air control you really have to time the dashes and jumps nicely and overall movement, whilst doing the combos, otherwise you get destroyed very quick.

[topaz quail]

i fell in love with doom eternal ever since i saw the trailer for it

[dry perch]

i remember 1st hearing about doom the old doom then i tried eternal i fell in love how its not any shooter game

[topaz quail]

its an fps masterpiece

i love how the guns feel n how the maps play when ur parcouring

they should defiantly keep the parkour it makes it way better when quick scopin

[dry perch]

yeah the guns arent just u got and its more powerful and u forget about the other gun the more u learn the more guns u use like back then i just use ssg but now i do rocket pb and switch to use other weapons for fit for combat

[topaz quail]

thats why i like doom because it doesnt feel like a chore

to unlock shit

[dry perch]

its easy to learn actually

[azure oriole]

aside from the parkour and monkey bars it's also the meathook that really makes doom great imo. Cause you can slingshot off of a demon whilst rocketing him in the face whilst in the air etc. It makes it so much different than simply dashing around and jumping a little bit. It was a very good decision to put that in the game. And then you got ballista boost aswell on top of that, you can do some wild things.

[topaz quail]

its not super complicated for beginners

[topaz quail]

fuck yea meathook

i love using it and switchin to my sniper

n u can kinda get some air that way

or meathookin an enemy vertically down n chainsawin them

[azure oriole]

yeah just the whole thing about being able to slingshot around and go airborne like that whilst reigning stuff down on the demons, makes it so there's so much variation in the battles and what options you have.

[dry perch]

i use meathook and then chainsaw for 20 armor not much but its something

[topaz quail]

its super balanced to even in nightmare mode

i just hate dying to a imp when am low lol

[dry perch]

use chaingun shield lol

[topaz quail]

😂

[topaz quail]

alr

i remember i would see streamers doin that

[burnt moss]

In other words, git good lol

[topaz quail]

they chaingun n keep spamin the sheild

[ivory ore]

Guns?

[dry perch]

🤓 "ugh stop hiting my ribcage with a crowbar"

[topaz quail]

hot

i want to play halo 5 campaign again but am on pc

😂

[dry perch]

go ahead

[topaz quail]

am exicted for some new realeses tho

there addin spiderman to pc

[flint flame]

Self react?

[dry perch]

me on laptop:yeah it could run....at 5 fps

[topaz quail]

lol

[flint flame]

[azure oriole]

Not really what i meant, but new players often don't realize like, the AI is basically if you don't move or move very predictably, the ranged attacks will basically hit you almost all of it. And so if you are not evading constantly whilst doing the rest, and if you don't have air control on, it must seem like wow this is impossible how do i ever win this. But when they realize ahh i need to be moving unpredictably constantly, and then they won't cream me. Ah then they have some understanding where it becomes way easier to deal with the situations.

[swift laurel]

[azure oriole]

and so the tough part is to get used to moving and evading all the time whenever they fire. That's what is overwhelming for some cause there's so much going on.. Also what makes it fun and very varied experience. Cause the combat loop, there's quite a few things you need to do depending on situation. Getting glorykills so you have the bloodpunch, the combos, the mod switching, flame belching and grenades when appropriate, oh yeah and you have to be evading constantly and standing still or very little movement means you going to get creamed. So there's a lot to pay attention to.

[cyan frigate]

ooooh gotcha. 😂

i only ever play on un, only way i can enjoy the game it makes it much more intense! love doing ml un clears almost daily

[vale marsh]

Teach me

I struggle to beat a regular un run

[azure oriole]

i think they've done it good with the difficulty levels, and yeah Nightmare is for experts who mastered the game and UN is so it's still fun for them. But i can totally see probably the most fun for most people is to race around in ultra-violence. And you have the cheatcodes for replay so you can have like infinite ammo on so you don't have to chainsaw all the time if you want that, and the unmaykr for those who just want to quick run through to get the xp back when there was new content being generated. This game has a LOT of replay value because of how interesting the combat loop makes the game to play.

[azure oriole]

You not supposed to be able to beat it unless you master the game, that's the idea. I don't understand why some people think they are failure if they can't beat UN 😄 no you are absolutely not a failure it's meant to be very tough.

they think they have to, i must beat UN or i suck.. no.. it's weird attitude 😄 it's meant to be exactly what it is, a serious challenge.

Re

[gritty anvil]

why did they remove the infinite crucible with the infinite ammo cheat

[azure oriole]

idk

they did that a while ago

[gritty anvil]

i know

but why they should have kept it

[azure oriole]

idk

[azure forum]

hi

[azure oriole]

hi

your name rhymes

[flint flame]

Invasion mode prob

[pseudo thistle]

that doesn’t make much sense

invasion mode probably just wouldn’t work with cheats on

[mossy nova]

invasion mode was cancelled

[wispy garden]

I was on tilt. I took a break and went back to it and shredded like it was nothing lol

[wispy garden]

I thought it was getting too hard but i was getting worse from playing too long without a break

I cant find the comment that said this but NO i dont use cheat codes. Im practicing for an ultra nightmare run, cheating would defeat the purpose of training

[mossy nova]

should i delete my hurt me plenty save (my first save) because the ultra violence save help me to nightmare and i dont want to delete my ultra violence save

[wispy garden]

Does anyone know about the “mars core” master level being buggy? I tried restarting and all the basics but it wont load past the bridge. Theres a pain elemental that spawns under the bridge and gets stuck and theres no way to fish him out. On a normal play through, if i load checkpoint, the pain elemental isnt under the bridge but in “extra life mode” or UN, theres nothing i can do about it

[dry perch]

the only buggy part is where hell knight and baron of hell with purple goo u can skip it by jumping and dashing twice

well for me

[wispy garden]

Its the upgraded ps5 from ps4 version im having the bug

[burnt moss]

I just got killed by a Hellknight for picking up a toy

And then the Meathook kept breaking off because of the purple stuff

[mossy nova]

is there any thing to do in doom eternal im bored

[vivid cliff]

ive finally played every mastery level

arc complex was my last one that was sooo boring

[azure oriole]

ultra nightmare

[mossy nova]

no

[vivid cliff]

do a nightmare run with no upgrades

[azure oriole]

why not

[mossy nova]

i cant my slots are full

[azure oriole]

bruh delete one

[mossy nova]

i dont want my sanity to go down like the pearl bombing

[vivid cliff]

wtf

[azure oriole]

what

[mossy nova]

they are important tho

[vivid cliff]

no they aint

you only need one save slot: nightmare 100% everything else can be deleted

[mossy nova]

all of them are 100%

[vivid cliff]

ok so delete one

[mossy nova]

which one hurt me plenty or ultra violence

[azure oriole]

How

[mossy nova]

they made me progress to the game and difficulty

[azure oriole]

So?

[mossy nova]

they important

[burnt moss]

The word is “sentimental”

[mossy nova]

for some reason when i see your pfp it looks like a shark car

[azure oriole]

It’s car

[mossy nova]

yes ik

[burnt moss]

Haha I see it! Because of the tree

[azure oriole]

both

[mossy nova]

okay i will try to save one

for future things but first i have to play gmod

[azure oriole]

The pain elementals are supposed to spawn under the bridge, you drop down from the "pod" in the center as in normal level and kill them (and the arachnotron and carcasses) to progress further.
The access pod opens up after you kill the arch viles and clear the bridge from enemies

[azure oriole]

You still wondering this? Jeebus just delete any save

If you land a partial headshot it might go into gk instead.
Like if you hit the neck instead.

[azure oriole]

Okay I can see now what you mean.
But like the wise say: you need to let go off the past to progress

[mossy nova]

okay

[azure oriole]

Delete the UV save so you can still keep the first playthrough

[mossy nova]

okay

[velvet crown]

im a little bit new to doom eternal. any good tips to beat ultra nightmare?

[burnt moss]

Yeah: don’t

[mossy nova]

dont go for ultra nightmare if your not ready

[mossy nova]

i recommend practicing on nightmare

but it will take a long time to not die

[velvet crown]

i see

[azure oriole]

Yes: forget about ultra nightmare for the next 200 or so hours

[velvet crown]

you need to be that good?

[flint flame]

You need to be knowledgeable of the game’s systems

[azure oriole]

If you are new to the game that's just so say UN is not a goal for you anytime soon.
Also I believe that is a realistic playtime for UN, yes

[velvet crown]

jeez

[mossy nova]

dont expect that ultra nightmare is easy

[flint flame]

It’s the hardest difficulty, jumping straight into it will not end well 💀

[velvet crown]

learned that the hard way

[mossy nova]

how do i know my other nightmare save

[azure oriole]

Start on a difficulty that feels comfortable, likely hurt me plenty or im too young to die.
Learn the game and have fun!
Then gradually work up from that.
Increase difficulty when the game no longer challenges you but do enjoy the steamrolling in between.

[mossy nova]

just letting my laptop rest before i play again

[azure oriole]

Errr... from that it says "game completed"?

[mossy nova]

no like what i finished it how do i know the difference

[azure oriole]

It shows the date of last save

[cold ivy]

^

[mossy nova]

okay thx

[cold ivy]

Practice on master levels or do horde mode

It helps a lot

[mossy nova]

i dont recommend horde mode because it has extra lives

[cold ivy]

I just meant practice in general

Horde Mode made me improve a lot

[mossy nova]

but you cant respawn because of the ultra nightmare death thing in therr

[mossy nova]

ohhh okay

[cold ivy]

But yeah those are my first suggestions

[mossy nova]

some how i didnt lose a extra live in horde mode nightmare

and in some moments didnt lose health or armor

[cold ivy]

I only lost like 1 or 2 until the final round

The final round I had like 23 and ended with 1 on nightmare

[mossy nova]

30 extra lives

i skipped the bounty demon rounds

[cold ivy]

The last round had a lot of problems with me cause I wasnt really special at using the meathook to move around

So I was getting bombarded with a buffed marauder and getting eaten up with damage lol

[mossy nova]

the sentinel hammer in horde mode is nerfedd

[topaz quail]

super buffed maurder

[mossy nova]

Spirit marauder

[topaz quail]

[topaz quail]

annoyin af

[mossy nova]

Yes

[burnt moss]

I think if you train for UN from the beginning, you won’t have much fun. UN is a task, a chore, a project. I’ve got over 400 hours in the game, I’ve played almost every day this year, and I’m just now starting to consider the idea that one day I will be good enough to attempt UN.

[azure oriole]

If you start on UN you'll also learn nothing.
You will die all the time from compounding mistakes you have no way of analyzing.
Difficulty ramp up is integral for learning.

For the same reason I strongly discourage starting on nightmare either.
Yes you can power throught it but you probably have less understanding of the game by the time you finish than someone playing on lower diff.

[velvet crown]

i wouldn't say "new" i mean i have like 50 hours

[opal galleon]

Play HMP (UV if you're ballsy)

[lapis saddle]

Ultra Nightmare is, in simple terms, insanely punishing and mostly not in a way that’s fun

[velvet crown]

if thats new

[lapis saddle]

Once you can comfortably beat Nightmare with few deaths, you’ll be ready to start attempting UN. If you’re playing on anything below Nightmare, you’re a long way off from UN. If you are struggling with Nightmare, you’re still nowhere near ready

[azure oriole]

That's still fairly low tbh for game mastery.
But I'd say you are likely in the territory where you should start pushing yourself.
Start playing on nightmare / trying it out.

[velvet crown]

i beat the gore nest nightmare thingys

[icy ice]

Super gore nest master level on nightmare?

[lapis saddle]

Also Extra Life Mode on NM is a good middle ground between NM and UN

[azure oriole]

Yes and no.
The extra lifes allow you a ton of deaths without having you redo the fight you died in.

[icy ice]

Yes it is. Super Gore Nest ML took everything I thought I did well and told me to fuck off at first lol

[azure oriole]

I say regular nightmare without taking any extra lives is better training for un

[opal galleon]

It is IF you pick up no extra lives and just play with the initial three you start with

[dim solar]

you know, this is exactly what I did, I never played this game on a difficulty other than nightmare, I only lowered the difficulty from nightmare to ultra-violence on doom hunter base because I was getting my shit pushed in and I'm not gonna lie, during my first playthrough of base campaign and DLCs I didn't have much fun, I thought the game was extremely bullshitty but deep inside I knew it was just me being bad

luckily I got a lot better after playing the master levels and I replayed the DLC and campaign and had a lot of fun

[azure oriole]

Or that, yeah

[icy ice]

Somewhat of a happy ending there

[icy ice]

Also the campaign feels really tame compared to master levels lol

[velvet crown]

i barely beat the master levels tho (classic and normal nightmare with weapons)

[azure oriole]

The what?

[dim solar]

who would be crazy enough to start playing on UN on your first run and stick to it tho

that's literally such a bad idea

[icy ice]

For classic runs of MLs, I always treat myself to ITYTD lmao

[icy ice]

There is a certain thrill to starting a game on the hardest difficulty. That can quickly die off depending on the game.

[lapis saddle]

Yeah I really didn’t enjoy the dlc first time through due to struggling so much. My current playthrough is going much better with me enjoying most fights (not the bosses though)

[dim solar]

yeah, doom eternal would be a perfect example of that lmao

[dim solar]

mhm mhm

[icy ice]

I started Doom eternal on Normal, and then started TAG1 on UV and after one mission decided to do Nightmare. Boy oh boy what an experience that was lol

[dim solar]

I picked NM from the beginning because on 2016 and I started on ultra-violence and felt the game was kinda easy and it didn't become that much harder on NM either

but holy shit, Eternals's NM caught me with my guard down lol

it really made me suffer during my first run

[velvet crown]

are un and nightmare the same difficulty or is un more aggresive

[icy ice]

I always opt for NM over UV. It feels like a lot more is on the line which adds to the thrill. My Xbox controller has aged years with how much I've played Eternal over the past 2 months lol

[burnt moss]

That does not sound like fun

[icy ice]

I'm so glad imps were nerfed in eternal in favor of more diverse fodder

[lapis saddle]

I really wish Ultra Nightmare was like Nightmare with even more aggressive enemies and additional encounters instead of being an ironman mode.

[opal galleon]

Same thing just UN is perma-death

[icy ice]

Same. It's cheap artificial difficulty

Add a buff totem to every battle (even boss battles) and THAT is an ultra nightmare run

[lapis saddle]

Easy there Satan

[velvet crown]

so thats why you should practice nm

[dim solar]

yeah, in eternal they nerfed imps but introduced gargoyles and gave steroids to mancubi which isn't much of an improvement imo but oh well, it is what it is lmao

[opal galleon]

[dim solar]

I didn't have much fun that first time ngl

[icy ice]

It's crazy how slow the mancubi were in 2016 compared to eternal lol

[lapis saddle]

2016 Mancubi look so derpy. I wish they’d kept that design for Eternal, though I guess the OG design is cool too

[dim solar]

it's funny, in 2016 you could be relatively close to a mancubus and be able to dodge their missiles by jumping, in eternal you can be 1 km away from one and the mofo will still hit you before you even realize

they kinda piss me off tbh

[lapis saddle]

I generally love the derpy looking demon designs best. I don’t mind the mancubi being tough mostly

[icy ice]

The cyber mancubus NEEDED the makeover. Hands down the ugliest demon in 2016 and not in a good way lmao

[lapis saddle]

I don’t remember how the cybermanc was different from the normal manc off the top of my head in that game

I’m talking about the normal mancubus design as endearingly derpy

[icy ice]

It's armor was extremely bulky and looked horrible. But the normal mancubus design wasn't too bad. I wouldn't have minded the 2016 design but I do like what id did with the eternal design.

[dim solar]

I like both 2016 and eternal's mancubi design, I don't think I like one more than the other

the cyberdemon in 2016 looked great tho

I wish they kept it in eternal

[lapis saddle]

Oh yeah the cyberdemon is rad. I like how they made the non-boss cyberdemon a separate creature

Lets the one in 2016 feel more special

[dim solar]

since they were going for a more loyal adaptation of the classics demons, it's understandable they made tyrants the way they are in eternal I guess

[slow sigil]

Also probably cause one is a boss, same for atachnotrons

[dim solar]

still, seeing the 2016 cyberdemon as another super heavy in eternal would have been great

[icy ice]

It is pretty cool to see bosses from 2016 as really tough enemies in Eternal. I hope that trend can continue for the next game.

[slow sigil]

Which one?

[icy ice]

Cyber demon and spider mastermind specifically

[lapis saddle]

The thing of taking the 2016 bosses and making them high tier normal enemies is taking a page from their treatment in Doom 2

Though in Doom 2 they did that with the exact enemies rather than an approximation of them. Arachnotrons were also there as well

[slow sigil]

Arachnatron isnt tough at all and tyrant is "tough" in that he has a big health pool, nothing else

[lapis saddle]

The actual 2016 bosses are also kinda pushovers if you know the BFG trick as well

[icy ice]

Arachnotron is at the beginning of the game. Though triple-fuel chainsaws will help me for my ultra nightmare run in the future.

[mossy nova]

Fun fact i always ave my 3 gasses for arachnotron

[lapis saddle]

Same

[slow sigil]

In gamestart, yeah

[lapis saddle]

In my case it’s for time reasons rather than them being dangerous though

[dim solar]

do you guys have more than 1 gas pipe on your chainsaws???

[icy ice]

Usually no but very rarely I'll use all 3. Either on accident or for the empowered arachnotron in SGN ML

Usually if there is one nearby I'll grab it before using a chainsaw to reduce cooldown time

[slow sigil]

I basically only chainsaw heavies if i already know the pip locations and arena's somewhat

[mossy nova]

when theres a new doom game i will hop into nightmare then practice then i will try ultra nightmare if i want too

[mossy nova]

the longer the bfg projectile remains in the air the stronger it becomes

[tawdry belfry]

Be honest when playing the harder difficulties like ultra-violence and nightmare do you ever have more than one extra life? be honest

[mossy nova]

i have 24 in my current nightmare save

[slow sigil]

No cause i never pick them up

[tawdry belfry]

How 😟

[azure oriole]

usually becomes a habit for a lot of people to just not play with them

[slow sigil]

I just dont, i dont like em

[tawdry belfry]

Oh ok

[mossy nova]

tommorrow i will try to beat doom eternal nightmare without extra lives

i will learn from my deaths

[azure oriole]

that's good 👍

[mossy nova]

do i need some rest so i can clear up my mind ? about things

[lusty magnet]

gl!

[mossy nova]

thx

[lusty magnet]

Wai

What’s that in your pfp? I can’t read it.

[mossy nova]

numbers

random numbers i was to lazy to find a good pfp so i chose numbers

[lusty magnet]

The numbers mason, what do they mean?

mhm okok

[mossy nova]

nothing random

[lusty magnet]

You should make your pfp just a bunch of binary code. You could maybe translate “RIP AND TEAR” into binary and add that to your pfp.

Adds a bit of creativity yk?

[mossy nova]

its codes of randoms word in my number code pfp

whats the best music audio settings ?

[mossy nova]

im not sure if im gonna do it as always

for some reason im always insecure about everything

yup i need some serious rest from doom eternal for one 1 night and dont need to worry about doom things

[azure oriole]

This is a certified “touch grass” moment

[mossy nova]

theres no grass or soil outside of my house

[azure oriole]

*Sand?

[mossy nova]

no

theres no sand

[azure oriole]

Bro is living in the ocean?

[mossy nova]

no

[azure oriole]

The mountains?

[mossy nova]

my performance was trash in doom eternal so i might need to take a rest and think about other things and doom things

[mossy nova]

no

[azure oriole]

Volcano?

[mossy nova]

no

[lusty magnet]

mars?

[mossy nova]

im in the philipines and the only way to touch sand soil and sand is far away from my house or visit the beach

welp im gonna take a rest now so tommorow i wont be trash again at doom eternal

[azure oriole]

This is a certified “sleep” moment

It’s 5 am and I haven’t gone to sleep yet 💀

[mossy nova]

its 5 pm in my country

[azure oriole]

You go to sleep at 5 pm?

That’s early af

[mossy nova]

no i will take a rest from playing doom eternal and play again tomorrow

and do other things

[restive cedar]

how old are you?

[azure oriole]

Who tf starts a conversation like that

[mossy nova]

i dont want to talk about it

[restive cedar]

ok young boy 🙂 If your age 30+ like me probably you cant do what you doing 🙂

[azure oriole]

What? Speak proper English if you’re over 30

[mossy nova]

your more rude then my gay bully

[restive cedar]

ooh man thats hurt 🙂

[valid wren]

What the fuck

[azure oriole]

My honest reaction^^

[azure oriole]

You're in a Doom server, watch your mouth.

[mossy nova]

what are the default milestones ?

can you guys give me something to do tomorrow because im pretty sure i will get bored fast

like doing the campaign or doing something else

[azure oriole]

Ultra Nightmare.

[mossy nova]

except for UN

because i will just destroy my own sanity

[azure oriole]

Awe it's ok.

[midnight rover]

Losing my braincells from this guy.

[mossy nova]

feel like doing campaign in nightmare again tomorrow

so i wont be rusty

[mossy nova]

same

[mossy nova]

and also so my boredom would be gone

[azure oriole]

There's a somewhat fun milestone of completing any mission using famine 'cheat' which in this case is a handicap (means you get no health or armor drops). You get a nice little podium.

[wispy atlas]

doom is not gay

[azure oriole]

Isn't he just saying that since he's young he can play games all day cause he has the time?

[restive cedar]

yeah. finally someone understand 🙂

[mossy nova]

wat podium i only got the fasting master achievment

[azure oriole]

That's the one, master of fasting, so you already got that one. That's the one i was proposing, with the eyes and organic stuff on it.

[mossy nova]

ohh hell on earth podium

[azure oriole]

you can do the can't perfect perfection for the UAC podium, where you do hmm what is it, 1 suit upgrade (i recommend quick switching) for the entire campaign. Correction. 1 suit perk and 1 crystal.

[mossy nova]

no but okay

[wispy garden]

I know pain elementals are suppose to spawn under the bridge but theyre spawning before the cutscene and it halts the progression into the next area because the cutscene wont trigger unless the area is clear and the game is counting the demons under the bridge

[azure oriole]

I understood that perfectly, not sure what these others were on about 😄

[mossy nova]

any other things to not be rusty in doom eternal ?

because i feel like im getting rusty

[restive cedar]

If you get all of milestone, well ıts take long time. If you want only trophy then only consider trophy related milestone

[azure oriole]

how do ppl take so little damage, i try my best to dodge stuff but mancubis and pain elementals are unavoidable

[mossy nova]

shield turret

[mossy nova]

you mean argent paladis milestone ?

[azure oriole]

it takes time for me to deploy since im on console therefore i cant use it as an emergency button

alternatively you can also overplay the game so that you get bad habits, and then it's good to take a break. Sometimes taking a step back and then coming back to it is a performance enhancer for 'weird' ways, in a lot of situations including in games where you are struggling. Because you become lazy and do stupid routines without thinking enough about what you are doing. And then you can come back to the game after doing other things and it can ironically be much easier because you then think about every decision you are making and now the solution presents itself easier.

So i don't think you are rusty maybe you just need a little break as you say yourself

[restive cedar]

which ones were related to trophy, I can't remember one by one right now. You can tell by looking at the features of the trophy

[mossy nova]

okay thx i needed it👍

[azure oriole]

it really works not just for games for everything. you struggle with a problem you keep doing or thinking the same dumb shit, then you go do other stuff for a few hours or some days depending on what it is exactly the situation is. You come back to it look at it and it's like, duh, just do it like that, why didn't i think of that.

so in games like say you play the same level too many times you doing same stupid shit you getting lazy cause you want to get to where you last messed up and so you keep being lazier and dumber with not thinking of the decisions till you hit a wall like, wtf am i doing now i can't even get to that part where i just did just fine an hour ago. That's where you need a break!

also if you are bored and you want to hone your skills or something. Instead of just going trying and do a runthrough. Just try practicing simple mechanics, like 1 combo of weapons only for that entire map, do that a few times, like a set in a gym, then another combo do same thing, pick different level for variation. Do that till you've been through all combos you can think of. Also going into more advanced tech can be really fun and useful but that's really only after you aced the normal quick switch combos. Such as punch swap, mod cancel, fast deathblade, no delay rockets/grenades/ballista, deadswitching (shooting same weapon over and over again by switching to other and switching back), fast lockons, stuff like that.

This intensive basically sets like at a gym helps you mechanically extremely well, so the weapon switching and all this is just perfect for when you actually trying a real run through. And if you want train againt specific enemies you can dl meathook and spawn them in front of you with notarget enabled if you want them to stand still, or and just set damage to 0 or something so they can't damage you. So you can practice whatever demon you having problem with over and over again, is like sylar and others do. Just spawn like a tyrant or marauder like hundreds of times, and you can get a lot of training done in a few hours. Trying stuff out on them. It's a very 'boring' way but extremely efficient way obviously to improve your abilities.

[mossy nova]

how to do fast deathblade

[azure oriole]

you know the mod change button right? you start off with ballista arbalest, you then hit mod button and switch to heavy cannon, then hit mod button again switch back to arbalest, WHILST now holding down mouse 2. Then you fully charge, shoot at a target. Then you will see an animation like the deathblade on the arbalest. mod switch to death blade, now the death blade charges up to max as fast as arbalest. What happens is it inherits arbalest recharge speed because of this.

[mossy nova]

switching mods from the arsenal tab ?

[azure oriole]

no no 😄 you have to do it with whatever key you have for changing weapon mod on the fly

it's an advanced technique it takes some practice

[mossy nova]

thx👌

how to do puch tech

i think my doom eternal broke

[royal path]

Anybody got any tips on how to cut out the loading screens (Bethesda/id/warnings) and boot straight into the game; find it so frustrating you can't skip them.

I've deleted the boot_sequence folder, but now it just sits on a black screen for a while before loading into the menu. I just wanna get straight into the action.

[azure oriole]

hang on i think there's a command for it

com_skipIntroVideo 1

You probably shouldn't delete various things, this will be enough to remove that bethesda/id stuff that plays in the beginning otherwise.

[mossy nova]

Should i save my new slot for other difficultys and challenges ? Or make another nightmare save
(I dont want another nightmare save because i only want 1 nightmare because i dont want to be confused from another one)

[azure oriole]

idk

do challenges not another nightmare save

[mossy nova]

Okay

New save slot plan: dont make another nighmare save do other things

Is there a master level where it wont be short and wont be long

[ivory ore]

No

[mossy nova]

Okay but can you recommend a master level? (I dont want to play SGN because im trash at master SGN)

That i wont prob play but still can you recommend me a master level

[lapis saddle]

I played through the Arc Complex ML first. It’s not the most interesting ML by any means but it’s not as daunting as the others

[mossy nova]

I played mars core ML first it was fun

[smoky yoke]

Any tips to complete sgn master level un

[floral ore]

here‘s something i just learned: loading into a map when in the main menu spawns you in with no demons

it feels kinda creepy

but also you can‘t ever finish an encounter which means infinite invisible walls

nevermind, even warping to a map while playing a save file will do the same

i wonder if there‘s a fix

[shy rain]

is SSG Balista still meta? Just wanna know cuz I wanna prepare for ultra nightmare

Also thinking about going back and playing doom 2016 but idk if I'd want to given the amount of movement options and quality of life things eternal added, 2016 might feel a bit sluggish in comparison

[burnt moss]

Confused. So 1. Swap from Bal to HC WHILST holding Modswap. 2. Modswap and quickswap to Bal while holding Mod button. Correct?

[burnt moss]

Depends on the enemy. I use SSG Bal for Marauder only because I can’t do SLOB.

[burnt moss]

2016 is still good after the first couple levels. I only don’t play it because no custom controls

[flint flame]

No

[flint flame]

Not quite an excuse

[azure oriole]

i cant stand softlocks omfg

[ember void]

Memorization of the weapon wheel is all you need to know for that. if you're really not good at it though, you can lower your weapon wheel delay.

[azure oriole]

its muscle memory at some point it doesnt take too long to memorize it

[azure forum]

Bind it to a key (button)? The best advice is to learn how to play without depending on the shield mod.

[azure oriole]

i dont use it often thats why i dont bind it i only bind pb ballista and ssg

[azure forum]

I play with a 4 WW size. I bind Shield mod, SSG and Plasma.

Shield mod is better on a button. PB is great either way since it is used the most along with SSG.

[azure oriole]

why plasma?

[azure forum]

I don't need it. Plasma and Shield mod are the weapons I use the least.

I love microwave beam but it is very situational

[azure oriole]

isnt binding ur most used weapons a better idea? since u dont have to use the wheel

[azure forum]

Shield mod is good for defense. Not for offense. It doesn't really deal too much damage.

Not really. In my case, I only have 1 button to bind for which I will not lift my thumb to switch to that weapon. The weapon wheel although a little slower, has that advantage as well.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935398695782985778/966428296285925426/Screenshot_20220420-155745_Stadia.jpg

That's my weapon wheel. SSG binded to R3 and Plasma and shield to dpad

[azure oriole]

i see

[azure forum]

Since I don't have enough buttons, I don't use BFG and Weapon mod switch

[shy rain]

I never actually used the shield mod

[azure oriole]

is anyone getting softlocked in every master levels or is it just me? it literally ruined the fun for me since im forced to play campaign levels ive played a billion time and horde mode which i hate

[royal path]

Thanks; can I just do this with a batch file?

[ember void]

Do you play switch?

[azure oriole]

ps4

[marsh canopy]

if u dash into enemies u can take out mancubi in like 3 seconds

[azure forum]

Or you can lock on into SSG, or SSG ballista and kill it. You don't need to get close

[shy rain]

How do you prepare for UN? I mean if you just revisit stages on a completed save file you have access to weapons and upgrades you shouldn't have

[azure oriole]

Ah like that, I see.
If you backtrack to the previous arena (pinkies / revenants) you should have line of sight to under the bridge from the edge.

[sacred dirge]

I usually like to do a nightmare run. Practice the arenas and have a deathless nightmare run before

[shy rain]

Err... what do you mean?

Oh you mean play the entire game through again on nightmare

[sacred dirge]

Yeah. Practice the arenas. When you're comfortable and are getting consistent no deaths it's a good indicator that you're ready for UN

[shy rain]

Sounds.. difficult, pfft

Also how are you supposed to consistently practice certain arenas that aren't close to the beginning

[sacred dirge]

?

You replay the game on nightmare

[azure oriole]

are you on console or pc, if pc just hit the tilde key (below ESC) which opens the console and type in com_skipIntroVideo 1, you can also via steam set start parameters under settings general and there put com_skipIntroVideo 1, either way i think works, because i have it too, since i don't want to see bethesda, id, nvidia and epileptic warning every time i launch game either 😄

[azure oriole]

Hit reload checkpoint just before completing an arena

[shy rain]

How many times are you supposed to replay it(?)

A nightmare run isn't exactly short

[sacred dirge]

Until you're comfortable and ready. It depends on you

[shy rain]

@.@

[azure oriole]

Until you can do it deathless or very near deathless

[shy rain]

It just sounds like a l o t

[azure oriole]

If you want to complete ultra nightmare you should probably be able to complete each nightmare level, since the main difference is UN you can't die at any point. So it's entirely up to you how well you think you are doing.

[shy rain]

I completed nightmare with like around 100 deaths or something pfft

[azure oriole]

UN is pointless if you cannot do nm deathless

[shy rain]

I can do the master levels relatively okay now though

[azure oriole]

You can also complete some levels and then go to normal nightmare practice next one just be sure to click save and exit after each level if you play UN if you select continue or whatever you obviously can't leave till you are done with that level

[shy rain]

Although that was before TAG I can probably do better now

[sacred dirge]

Honestly if you think it's to much work and if you think you can't do it then don't. UN isn't for everyone and that's okay

[shy rain]

I want to fully master the game cuz I like playing it lul just dreading the time commitment

[azure oriole]

this game is unplayable

Yep, never feel as if you have to do UN, it's the highest challenge and therefore not a joke whatsoever, and is only if you completely have mastered the game

[shy rain]

Doom eternal is basically the only fps I really enjoy playing

[azure oriole]

doom = softlock simulator

[sacred dirge]

Yeah once you go doom you don't go back lol

[shy rain]

I mean.. its more content

I just kinda regret leaving it off at nightmare a year back

[azure oriole]

Good rule of thumb is do extra life mode on nightmare without picking any extra lives.
That means you have 3 total for entire run.
If you make it, you're ready for UN.
Kudos to @opal galleon

i really love getting soft locked for the 100th time after fighting the double archvile arena

[shy rain]

UN has no extra lives?

[azure oriole]

no

[shy rain]

Okay

[azure oriole]

For me it has been crash to desktop simulator since 6.66 rev 2

[sacred dirge]

At some point though you will want to do no extra lives. That don't die mentality is important

[azure oriole]

Un is nightmare but you only have 1 chance

[plain nest]

it has the rune that revives you though

[azure oriole]

theres no runes that revives u

[plain nest]

saving throw or whatever

[azure oriole]

Saving throw

that just makes u invincible for a short time

[plain nest]

once for the whole game though

[azure oriole]

pretty sure its per level

[plain nest]

after dying

[azure oriole]

i see

[azure oriole]

It prevents you from dying once if you take fatal damage

He means saving throw yeah but UN if you die at any point you restart from first level. Including if you have completed UN and you want to go play again, and you die, it erases your save too. So UN is really if you feel that confident with nightmare you can go for the ultimate challenge, nightmare but no extra life and you start from beginning if you die.

un doesnt seem worth it tbh

just a waste of time and frustration

[plain nest]

the DLC is though

[sacred dirge]

It is. If you want to achieve something personally. Just like any other video game with a high challenge

If you don't want it that's fine too.

[azure oriole]

It's final challenge for those who have completely mastered the game. Nobody is saying you should complete it unless you have to. If you have completed nightmare you have essentially completed UN, UN just adds the thrill of like you can't die at all, so it's more intense.

[shy rain]

TAG on UN sounds like the real ultimate challenge

[plain nest]

TAG 1 is so satisfying to beat all levels in one go and i’m not talking about the gold skin

[sacred dirge]

Personally I like to push myself

[azure oriole]

they really need to fix softlocks

[opal galleon]

[azure oriole]

almost every single checkpoint on every master level has a softlock

how am i supposed to beat it

[shy rain]

It's pretty painful watching first time playthroughs of eternal and watching people just walk into enemy fire like there's nothing wrong pfft

[sacred dirge]

Watch doom eternal steam deck footage. You'll want to loose your eyes

[shy rain]

Ah yes this enemy that's shooting at me let's walk right into his bullets

[sacred dirge]

Pretty sure their crosshairs are always pointed at the floor too

[azure oriole]

Dean takahashi method

[plain nest]

and using the chaingun with turret mod without using the mod

[shy rain]

I thought that was not jumping over chains and ignoring quest markers

That and walking on lava

[plain nest]

punching ammo pickups too

[azure oriole]

That too, it really is a lifestyle choice

[shy rain]

I think someone needs to tell him you're supposed to fight the demons not the ammo pickups

He seems to have misunderstood the game

[warped sage]

PRO TIP: Punch an ammo to receive it.

[shy rain]

Absolute genius

[warped sage]

Yeah I’m a master of masters in DOOM Eternal and no one can beat me! Muahahahaha!

Sometimes my genius creates gravity.

[shy rain]

Grant us some of your sage wisdom

Btw I'm not one of those people who hates eternal because of the marauders I quite like them even but like what purpose do they serve in the combat loop? Seemingly being able to do literally nothing for an amount of time is antithetical to the gameplay

Not even waiting because of lack of skill but being forced to regardless of how good you are

It seems.. strange

I would understand if there was a counter to it regardless of how hard it is to pull off

But yeah you can't optimize the wait with him you can only optimize the damage you do after his eyes flash

[flint flame]

[shy rain]

Just tryina understand the game design lol not sure why they exist

[flint flame]

You’ve broken out of the year 1 loop

[shy rain]

I never hated them in the first place lol

[flint flame]

The rose tinted glasses are coming off

[shy rain]

Tbh

I just do not understand what they were thinking with them

[flint flame]

The only method to make the marauder play by your rules is foot ballista, which feels like an exploit but is a definite must learn after playing the game more than 2 times

[shy rain]

It doesn't usually break the combat loop because they're placed with other enemies, but I don't understand quite what they're meant to do

[shy rain]

Yeah

[flint flame]

Pad out play time

[shy rain]

Glad they attack slower anyway kinda makes up for their whole thing they do, if the enemy attacked super fast along with the shield that would be more annoying

[shy rain]

It seems like they were designed as a boss enemy first because they fit well but then were placed unaltered into regular gameplay

[warped sage]

Just like Barons from the original Doom.

[sacred dirge]

Almost like they don't know you can jump at all

[shy rain]

I guess but the barons didn't have a period of invulernerability iirc

The marauders are satisfying to absolutely demolish once you learn them though I'll give the devs that

Being able to demolish a boss enemy through just learning the game at one point is fun

[warped sage]

I use the standard SSG+Ballista technique.

[shy rain]

SSG+Ballista is way too op for it's simplicity imo

Limits depth a little bit

Meta use of weapons is probably gonna have a higher ceiling in the 3rd modern doom game

[burnt moss]

What’s the effective range of the SSG?

[burnt moss]

UN is a chore. It will suck. Any fun you have will be incidental. Understand this, or don’t do it. The game is supposed to be fun.

[shy rain]

I didn't really have a time where I wasn't enjoying the game tbh

Mastering the combat is fun although optimising specific arenas isn't quite

If my practice is repeatedly playing the game through on nightmare though that doesn't sound too bad

Game is fun enough to replay for sure

@burnt moss

Wonder if I wanna do a 100% nightmare run first though with all the slayer gates..

[burnt moss]

I’m saying it’ll be a grind. At some point you will have to memorize the first 3-4 levels of the game so your run doesn’t end there.

[burnt moss]

You should be able to do a 100% NM run like the back of your hand before considering a UN strategy.

[patent stream]

Marauder + ledge + lock on burst

Free kills

Assuming there is ledge

That’s also safest way to fight the super unreliable blood swamps totem one

[burnt moss]

How do you hit him with lock on burst? And who is on the ledge?

[patent stream]

Either you or him

When he jumps up or down he has no shield

So the lock on hits him

And usually the burst falters him allowing the second burst to hit

He also has a moment when he lands with no shield

[shy rain]

I just never had much interest in the collectibles or slayer gates or anything

Just did not care at all, was more concerned with just beating nightmare

[patent stream]

Some collectibles involve crystals and coins

[shy rain]

Also hey bob

[patent stream]

Which help upgrade for better abilities

Hi Xylon

[shy rain]

Well yeah

They're just... not that interesting to attempt to find, pfft

They're not the epic super awesome fun combat

Never been a big exploration guy

I just want an excuse to get even better skilled at the combat and master the game xD

[patent stream]

Trueeeeee

[shy rain]

Based

The real monsters though are people who do no damage UN like what the hell

@patent stream

[dry perch]

no gun run UN no damage

[patent stream]

Yeah those are absurd

[shy rain]

I think those people just don't sleep so they have more time to play eternal

They live and breathe it

[patent stream]

Me but monster hunter

[shy rain]

Bob is the monster slayer

They send unto them only him

[burnt moss]

I’m mostly speaking of Secret Encounters and Slayer Gates. You’ll need the weapon points from those to avoid death more easily. And also all the crystals and Praetor points.

[shy rain]

@patent stream

[shy rain]

I guess but.. damn its so boring to go out of your way for collectibles in doom eternal

I don't particularly mind in classic doom because well the world is more simplified and lower detail so secrets feel more obvious and you usually don't have to go at all far out of your way to get them comparatively

For me it'd probably be more fun just to ignore them.. secrets in DOOM eternal aren't that fun for me

[sacred dirge]

Sleep is for the weak

[lapis saddle]

Honestly I really like Doom Eternal secret hunting for the most part. I really don’t like fake walls and unmarked secret doors and such

[shy rain]

The combat is just so fun that it makes me dislike the secrets by comparison lol

[lapis saddle]

I do think 2016 did it better though

[shy rain]

Suffers from the combat being too good in that regard

Would rather just be doing that

[primal relic]

Because of doom eternal I fall asleep from boredom if I play any other single player game

[lapis saddle]

I play all the different Doom games but Eternal is one of my favorites

[shy rain]

Doom eternal has some of the best combat I've ever played in a game easily

Frickin hacks your dopamine receptors smh

[primal relic]

Agreed. That might be my only large complaint; it’s too good

[shy rain]

Comparatively the secret finding to me is just.. eh

[primal relic]

I don’t like the swimming puzzles

[shy rain]

Secret scouring is so slow paced compared to the combat

[high igloo]

its 2nd for me

[primal relic]

I think swimming would be much better if there wasn’t a puzzle to it and if it’s used more environmentally, like reclaimed earth

[shy rain]

1st for me never played anything like it

[primal relic]

I can agree

[high igloo]

Its amazing i agree

[shy rain]

Anyway I guess I'd just rather do UN not 100%

[primal relic]

What is your first?

[shy rain]

it sounds boring asf to memorize all the secrets

I just wanna shoot shoot shoot

[lapis saddle]

For me the combat gets exhausting without platforming and/secrets as a breather between fights. Most of the secrets are easy to find once you’re familiar with how current Id likes to hide them

[shy rain]

I could use a breather but the secret finding is too long of a breather imo

It's not really how easy they are to find but how long they take to get to

For the ones I do know

[lapis saddle]

Most of them are pretty close to the main path if you’re not backtracking to find them

[shy rain]

Something like roughly 20-25 seconds for most of the secrets when I can just waltz into the next arena

[shy rain]

Eh..

[slow sigil]

you can just rush to the next arena then if you dont want to

[shy rain]

that sounds more fun

[dry perch]

u can do secrets after beating the game and turn on cheats

[shy rain]

I'm talking about doing UN

[dry perch]

oh lol nvm

[strange gale]

pausing the game and giving your eyes a rest is a better breather than secrets

[shy rain]

Lol imagine doing that

[high igloo]

Takes you out the flow

or atleast it does for me

[shy rain]

Doom eternal is so fast and visceral you just can't take your eyes off of it

[strange gale]

♻️

[shy rain]

I wish there was more to buy relating to this game lol would happily pay for 2 more dlcs

[high igloo]

only in nightmare

[strange gale]

but traversal (not combat) somehow doesn't

[slow sigil]

honestly idk what else they couldve done for between combat breathers, parkour was the best option

[shy rain]

Traversal is pretty fast and feels pretty good

[strange gale]

zandy's randomizer

[dry perch]

i just keep going

[shy rain]

Movement in eternal is done so well

[dry perch]

without air control

[shy rain]

Even without its fun

But air control is just so busted its nuts

Might be most op rune

[dry perch]

its a neccesary rune

but some people dont use the rune

[shy rain]

The takeaway is if you hate yourself do UN TAG without air control

[dry perch]

i beated tag 1 and 2 on UN

[shy rain]

But without air control?

[dry perch]

maybe i can
try that as a challange

[shy rain]

Maybeee

[dry perch]

yeah but rn im trying to do UN campaign

i hate the beginning lol so weak

[shy rain]

@dry perch I'm gonna do multiple playthroughs of nightmare before I try

[royal path]

Hey there; I tried this but it didn't seem to work; could it be my Game Pass version?

[royal path]

I can change the setting, but upon boot-up, it sets it back to 0 again, so doesn't save the setting.

[strange gale]

wow i sure love repeating the same sequence of inputs so many times i get to a TAS level of precision & speed and effectively stop playing the game every time traversal shows up 🥱

[strange gale]

this is false btw. unrestricted air movement is just really good at making up for bad ground movement

[shy rain]

movement is pretty simple as is, it's not really something you think about I mean, do you complain about the movement in some of the more simple mario games? it's not really the point lol

although it still does feel fairly good and natural to control

You do absolutely need that small break in-between fights though to pace them properly and keep the excitement up and some people aren't just gonna pause the game and take a short break

[strange gale]

i'd rather just teleport from encounter to encounter and not repeat the parts of a level where i wish i were in combat whenever i play through any given level

[shy rain]

That's.. fantastic for you but while mastery is an intended part of the game the game isn't designed for the people who have already mastered it, of course, that wouldn't make much sense

also the parts outside of battle are also usually used to teach you new things and give you new things, and imo are a better place to put collectibles, secrets off the beaten path have always been a part of doom, although I don't care for them that much

traversal time also acts as a short pace breaker cause realistically if you were just constantly fighting with almost no break for a prolonged period of time you would get bored, and you'd run out of like, mental energy

For people who wanna do more combat with less downtime I guess that's what the master levels exist for along with other modes

I'll admit though.. going through scripted segments again is annoying

[lapis saddle]

The Master Levels also do a bunch of unique encounters that are unlike anything in the campaign

TAG has a bit of that too, especially in WS

[azure oriole]

set for Doom Eternal in your steam as start parameter +com_skipIntroVideo 1, under properties - general.

[burnt moss]

I feel like secrets in classic aren’t obvious. Weird.

[flint flame]

When the secret is secretive !

[opal galleon]

😱

[shy rain]

I sorta felt like they were

Anyway I'm gonna go play some eternal

[burnt moss]

I’m not saying you need to do 100% UN. I’m saying if you haven’t even done a run where you hit all the encounters including Slayer Gates, that you’ll need to do a bunch of that first.

[burnt moss]

There’s nothing to differentiate between the artwork and the “secret” indicators

[shy rain]

Well yeah but overall in the secret aspect I did prefer the simplified geometry of the older games a bit more, and the reduced amount of detail

Prefer eternal overall way more but eh, dont really care for the secret aspect in it, I find myself enjoying it a little more when playing original doom, but still eh

[gray rivet]

Has anybody heard of anyone playing eternal with gyro aim?

[azure oriole]

I played 2016 with gyro aim

[gray rivet]

Sick

It seems not very many people use gyro aim

[dry perch]

its pretty good

[royal path]

Thanks, but I'm on Game Pass; can I make it work for GP?

[shy rain]

for practice I've decided that if I die at all or go into an extra life that I'm gonna restart the entire level

that should prepare me a bit better

[burnt moss]

That’s not a bad idea but I have a suggestion. If you die in an encounter, replay the encounter 3 times, then just move on.

[shy rain]

Move on as in? Cuz I'm playing an entirely new save file

[burnt moss]

I play with Gyro on Switch (docked mode)

[shy rain]

I got totally caught off guard by the spider hiding around the corner in level 1 in the subway, god I'm so rusty

[burnt moss]

After you beat the encounter for the third time, continue playing the level as if you hadn’t died.

[wary kiln]

What’s y’all favorite weapon combo against the marauder

[shy rain]

Ssg ballista

[burnt moss]

SSG BAL

[shy rain]

But I've seen some 1 cycle marauder kills idk how they do them

All I remember is ssg ballista, hitstun and that's about it

[wary kiln]

Good choices I do the same

Works every time

[burnt moss]

SLOB is all the rage but I can’t do it

[shy rain]

I have no clue what that means

[burnt moss]

https://youtu.be/H_k7ZgLTXXw

[burnt moss]

An exploit that results in 7 rockets hitting your target in quick succession

[shy rain]

wh...

I mean I'd rather not exploit, I'm not a speedrunner

[burnt moss]

Perhaps exploit is too strong a word

[slow sigil]

It's not exactly an exploit, more funky code

I think it's because of the faster swapspeeds of faster weapons making you able to shoot a rocket just before locking on, fucking up the rest of the progress

But i've no idea, shot in the dark idea

[shy rain]

I'm so rusty it makes me sad lol, used to be able to be fairly relaxed and chill beating nightmare, no sweat, did die a bunch but was decent enough that most of those were just from dumb mistakes

[shy rain]

I see

[midnight rover]

Don't worry, we all used to be like that, then we got improved a lot, you just gotta give it a try and practice a lot, or some sort of NO LIFE the game.

[burnt moss]

It is a widely accepted tech strategy, not a cheat for speedrunners.

[shy rain]

I see.. it still seems icky though

[sacred dirge]

Didn't you say it was 100 deaths ?

[shy rain]

doesn't seem particularly.. intended

[slow sigil]

Cause it's funk

[slow sigil]

Lot's of things that arent intented are quite fun tbf

[shy rain]

Yeah but by the end I had improved a lot, and could clear a lot of the stages quite easy

[slow sigil]

Pb swaps arent intended, but the game for sure is a lot less fun without em

[sacred dirge]

Noice! That's what really matters

[shy rain]

And then I quit the game for a year and now I kinda suck again but I should be thankful I can even play nightmare at all

pfft

[midnight rover]

The ancient gods was really fun, like, i had so much fun, especially on the Dark Lord fighting

[sacred dirge]

You'll get back to it. It's like riding a bike

[slow sigil]

Fun on dark lord

[shy rain]

hell even the master levels were easy for me and I didn't have that much trouble with TAG1 aside from a couple points

[midnight rover]

It's true tho

[burnt moss]

Hate the Dark Lord

[shy rain]

oh god dark lord

[slow sigil]

Wait it was serious-

[midnight rover]

Yes it was

[slow sigil]

It's a bigger marauder, no much fun there

[midnight rover]

it's basically like fighting yourself

[slow sigil]

It's literally not

[shy rain]

Hmmm... micro missles or pbolt for first unlock.. I think pbolt

damage isn't an issue

[slow sigil]

Give me 2 reasons how it is like fighting "yourself", not counting the same head model cause in lore there isnt even a reason why they look the same

[midnight rover]

We all used to think marauder was the most hardest bosses, now we got used to it, its ez

[slow sigil]

Pb is stronger, and you can punchswap with it if you want

[slow sigil]

Noone seriously thought the marauder was the hardest boss, and he isnt even a boss

[midnight rover]

ok fair

[slow sigil]

Anyways still relevant

[shy rain]

Maaaan I've missed this game so much, having so much fun already, when do you unlock weapon mastery?

Love how the scroll wheel will switch between available weapons because my weapon keybinds are set for when I already have all the weapons they suck for early on

[slow sigil]

In exultia you can get weapon points, so near the end of exultia you can start getting them
It's not really worth upgrading anything before the ssg though

[azure forum]

PB always although MM isn't too bad on the first 2 levels

[shy rain]

Just waiting to start being able to get SS weapon mastery

Damn I have like no gun skins

need to do more challenges..

HC quickscoping feels as good as ever

[slow sigil]

Noscoping feels even better

[shy rain]

How you gonna use pb then you have to scope to use it xD

[slow sigil]

You can shoot before you're scoped in

[shy rain]

still count that as quickscoping

[slow sigil]

If you're fast enough you can shoot and the gun wont even have moved

[slow sigil]

For quickscoping you would need to have actually been looking through the scope for just a bit, right?

[azure oriole]

just did a level with famine mode cheat for the podium (hadn't done that yet).
Lols, full auto salvo extender works even with the cheat

[shy rain]

idk.. cuz I mean technically you still have to scope to use pb even if the scope doesn't come up in time

not as if in either case you're using the scope for aiming

also omg I keep getting killed by just having brainfarts lol

it feels weird because the enemies feel like a joke but at the same time I just keep brainfarting to death

[azure forum]

[cyan frigate]

hows eternal treating us gamers!!

[shy rain]

5 deaths thus far

[sacred dirge]

[strange gale]

above 60fps, the ai literally cheats. under 30fps, you get infinite air dashes. the game almost never works as intended, so it really doesn't matter that this is unintended. who gives a shit, it's cool.

besides, this doesn't even make lob that much stronger, it's only relevant in speedrunning and mara one cycles (and some cool combo route optimizations but like i said, not a huge difference being made there)

[dry perch]

60fps is more responsive meanwhile 30fps is slower so u can dodge easier

im not sure if its true but i saw it somewhere

[toxic crane]

Beat gore nest heart 3 keys blood zone

[dry perch]

are u on ML? or campaign

[strange gale]

the game has a very low skill ceiling if you opt to only play intended%. all this unintended stuff has motivated level modders to make great content around it, and even if that didn't exist, pressing lots of buttons and getting a cool looking sequence of actions just feels better.

normal lob is slow as fuck and looks lame in combos because of it. don't be a year oner, because even the devs don't support that.

[burnt moss]

But not flaming meathook right?

[sacred dirge]

Are you saying you prefer playing on 60fps?

[slow flame]

the holt and the blood swamps was difficult but still tag2 is really ez

how the heck i unlock master levels i have 0

[burnt moss]

Have you beaten SGN yet?

[slow flame]

whats sgn

[burnt moss]

Super gore nest. Have you beaten the game?

[slow flame]

i beated campaign and tag1 and 2 in nightmare

of course yes

now how i get master levels

uhh anyone?

[burnt moss]

So what happens when you go to the master levels menu?

[slow flame]

says u have no master levels

[shy rain]

Holy shit the first slayer gate on nightmare is a... nightmare.. lol

[burnt moss]

And this is in the same slot that you beat?

[shy rain]

not nearly enough firepower to win yet

[slow flame]

i beat the holt slayer gate on nightmare

[burnt moss]

No you can. You need to on UN

[slow flame]

was a pain

[burnt moss]

@Bambi

[shy rain]

the peons aren't really a problem but.. damn the lava dudes when you have basically no firepower are annoying.. also I think revenants lock-on

[slow flame]

yep

[shy rain]

I burnt through 3 extra lives and still lost lol

[slow flame]

im grinding for the unmaykr and 1 more which is sgn

[burnt moss]

Sounds like a glitch. Have you tried turning it off and on?

[slow flame]

im in cracked ver

didnt buy le game

[burnt moss]

What’s the problem?

[burnt moss]

Well that’s beyond my understanding

[shy rain]

Damn.. there's just so many weak enemies at the start that the amount of projectiles on-screen is overwhelming

maybe I just need to abuse the plasma rifle

[slow flame]

even yt doesnt say it just other things about them

[shy rain]

Oh my god this slayer gate is a nightmare

[burnt moss]

Sounds like you pirated the game? No reason it should work right for you

[burnt moss]

That might work. Do you have the burst mod for it? Or w/e it’s called.

[slow sigil]

I've heard before that ML's just break on them, idk what works to fix it

[shy rain]

Okay I... I did it... sheesh

Got the empyrean key

I'm gonna farm mastery for the precision bolt now

[strange gale]

hell nah. i like the extra difficulty i get from magnetic hell knight lunges

[burnt moss]

Did plasma rifle make the difference?

[burnt moss]

What do you mean?

[strange gale]

i'm saying i prefer the game when the ai is cheating and nothing is working as intended. i find that more fun.

[sacred dirge]

Hell ya! Just making sure haha

[strange gale]

i get that this has a sarcastic tone but i'm serious.

[sacred dirge]

No no I get it. My pc only clocks in at 120 though. I prefer 60 for classic doom but 120 feels great from 2016 and eternal

[shy rain]

Huh my glory kill got cancelled in the middle of it.. is that a bug?

[shy rain]

yeah

Weird, never got a glory kill cancelled before

Oh frick, missed the 2nd slayer gate

[burnt moss]

Wait so I’m not imagining that the game is broken on my Switch?

[patent stream]

Why is it broken?

Ok I read up. No the switch version is not affected since it’s 30fps

The wonky ai behavior and movements occurs only past the 100~ fps range

[strange gale]

as far as i know, delta correction (the system that lets the ai change where their lunging attacks etc. land relative to your movement, mid-attack) is slightly undertuned at 30fps and you get infinite airdashes if the game drops to 28fps or below. that's all.

[burnt moss]

Things like GK not working, Meathook deciding not to work or break off, just yesterday I got mauled by a Hellknight during a toy-grab animation. Demons seem to move out of the way in the time it takes to swap to PB.

[patent stream]

Uh no that’s just how eternal is

[slow sigil]

Gameissue
Dumb meathook detection issue
Skillissue
Skillisue

[patent stream]

Also the last one is 10000% a skill issue, demons move when you are trying to swap weapons it is……..what they do

[strange gale]

only the last point is even somewhat fps-related (lower fps = inputs can potentially be dropped/delayed slightly), and even then, is it really that surprising that enemies are able to react to what you're doing? this isn't 1985

all of the other things happen on any version of the game, and on any system

[patent stream]

Glory kill detection has always been meh at best.
Meathook never worked properly

U can die during pick up animations you are not invincible

Swap faster? Aim faster? Killl faster?

[burnt moss]

Watching videos of PB swap, I don’t see players having to adjust the PB to hit the same target they just fired at.

[patent stream]

Skill issue

Swaps are also slightly altered due to the lower fps. I suggest learning in wheel swapping with a lower millisecond delay

[strange gale]

one time i lost a UN run in exultia due to a gargoyle killing me during a battery pickup animation. you can remove the risk factor of that by either mod swapping right before walking into a pickup, or switching weapons and picking up the item during the swap anim.

[patent stream]

Or sweeping the area and ensuring they are all dead

[strange gale]

eh, rather just move on

[burnt moss]

So gk and chainsaw are the only animations that make you invincible?

[patent stream]

Correct

Imo a slight oversight especially on the exultia one since enemies are wandering near the battery

[static trout]

crucible

[flint flame]

Battle mode?

[burnt moss]

You sure? Not sure if I get hit while trying to make the stupid crucible register, or during

[static trout]

You can’t get hit pretty sure

[burnt moss]

But then I can’t quickswap during a marauder engagement

[patent stream]

Yes?

[flint flame]

Crucible anim is a glory kill, albeit a short one

[patent stream]

Crucible is so quick of an animation that’s why it might seem you get hit before or after

[static trout]

unless kill tyrant

[patent stream]

Who wastes it on tyrants

It’s only for Imps

[static trout]

idk someone might

[burnt moss]

3 tyrants in the final encounter of TN ML. Part of why I quit that level

[flint flame]

I used to map out on final sin UN to kill a tyrant in that one big arena with two tyrants and baron with the crucible

[static trout]

really only used it in un against archviles and enemies in the final boss room

[patent stream]

I haven’t decided it I’ll finally bother with UN once I get my deck

[flint flame]

I’ve improved since then and don’t require mapping out what to do during combat

[static trout]

Un took a bit of time

[shy rain]

campaign..

[static trout]

probably just a bug idk

[flint flame]

Huh, haven’t heard of that happening in campaign

[static trout]

Sometimes doom decides “you won’t win today”

[burnt moss]

I mean when I tried turning WW delay all the way down I physically couldn’t tap quick enough to do a quickswap (or such a short keystroke wasn’t registered by my Switch)

[static trout]

Don’t turn all the way

I think mine’s on 0.70

[burnt moss]

That’s all the way

[shy rain]

okay 4 deaths so far in level 2, god I'm never gonna be able to do UN

[static trout]

oh nvm then

[burnt moss]

Mine is 110

[static trout]

Keep it on low but not too low

[patent stream]

Don’t tap. Keep using the wheel

[static trout]

yeah that’s fine

Aren’t there some free buttons which you can assign key weapons to?

[candid cobalt]

Un is fun if your into machoism

[burnt moss]

I can’t get 3 shots/window on marauder using the wheel. Demons move while the wheel is open.

[static trout]

E.g if you use plasma you can assign it

[patent stream]

Swap faster

[static trout]

marauder you need only 2 weapons to beat

If you just want to beat him

You can just ssg + balista or pb + balista

Even chaingun shield + balista

[burnt moss]

I know that. I do SSG Bal SSG. But I’ll have to shorten it to SSG Bal if I turn down the delay to where I can’t quickswap

[patent stream]

Use the wheel to quickswap

Without making the wheel appear

[dry perch]

yeah 1st do ssg and then switch to balista

then u can switch to ballista to ssg

[static trout]

^

[burnt moss]

So you’re telling me that WW can match the speed of the quickswap button? BUT that the WW doesn’t stop time?

[static trout]

Can’t you tap to switch to the weapon you used before?

[patent stream]

If you are good enough;yes

[static trout]

plus the weapon wheel slows time

[patent stream]

No u don’t want it to slow time

[static trout]

To the point where swapping on console is similar to pc

[patent stream]

And that part is also wrong

[burnt moss]

Not enough to allow 3 shots to the marauder

[static trout]

oh yh that true

[sacred dirge]

You don't want that at all

[burnt moss]

Why not?

[patent stream]

You want to make the wheel not appear on the screen when you swap

[static trout]

Just tap it and go right to where the gun is

[patent stream]

No not that either

[static trout]

????

[burnt moss]

???

[patent stream]

If you REALLY want to get better at quickswapping on console. You should Honestly only be swapping with the wheel. Without making the wheel appear

[static trout]

You can also

Assign key guns to any free buttons

[patent stream]

Eh that’s an option but on console you only really have 2 free buttons

[sacred dirge]

I like the wheel swap more because it allows me to have control of the sticks

[static trout]

Then put the guns which aren’t assigned to a button on the weapon wheel

[sacred dirge]

At all times

[patent stream]

And the buttons are not in positions where you can freaky swap

[burnt moss]

My dpad is terrible so I just have crucible and BFG on it

[static trout]

You can have 3-4

[dry perch]

tag 1

[static trout]

If you’re using certain grips it’s easy

[static trout]

tag 1 frees up more

[dry perch]

yup

[burnt moss]

How?

[static trout]

no crucible

[wispy garden]

I feel like im not playing AI on nightmare, these have to be real people joining my game in campaign because theres no way their attacks can be this flawlessly executed. Even in the most genuis AI remains predictable, these things dont move like AI, THEY KNOW exactly what theyre doing, they move like human players

[sacred dirge]

Honestly I'd just suggest practicing with wheel swap. A good thing to do to get used to it is practice a 2 swap combo with it. Over and over until you're comfortable with it. Then add another and so on

[slow sigil]

No hammer rather, crucible is a sleeper

[static trout]

only using crucible like 4 times tbf

[burnt moss]

So does quickswap

[patent stream]

Nightmare demons? Nah they don’t move like real players

[flint flame]

❔

[static trout]

All I did was just practice using pb rocket, then add things to it like you say

Gradually, try swapping slowly

[patent stream]

I’ve played plenty of battlemode. Nightmare demons still have a routine to them.

[flint flame]

Why do I feel like op stands still and fires

[static trout]

they’re fast

But still pretty stupid tbh

[burnt moss]

I’m hesitant to trust my Switch to accept the input that quickly

[wispy garden]

Yes they do. The way they flank. Im playing and things are going smoothly, and then all of a udden they start moving like real people

[patent stream]

I mean I only play on switch

So trust me it can accept the inputs

[flint flame]

Just don’t get hit 🤯 /s

[static trout]

Keep track of them

[patent stream]

No they still very much perform a routine. You must be new to nightmare but they do not play like humans. ( unless we refer to bad players than yes)

[static trout]

They’re designed to corner you and make you feel claustrophobic

[burnt moss]

Do you even play docked though? Seems like all you switch players only play switch for the portability.

[patent stream]

I play handheld

Sometimes I’ll do docked

But Mostly handheld with the joycons

[static trout]

Once you play enough, you recognize for each enemy in each room there’s a different movement they’ll do

[burnt moss]

I hate handheld with a fiery passion

[static trout]

Like the mancubi in cultist base blood room, they’ll slowly close in on you through the middle and outside depending on where you are, once you reach a certain range they stop to shoot you

Which is your signal to evade and attack

[wispy garden]

No im not new to nightmare. I beat horde on nightmare my first try. I didnt start dying on nightmare until i got to urdak, a slip up here and there but i didnt get slowed down until urdak. Beat the boss on my first try. Beat icon of sin in a couple tries. Then anceint gods 1, first level, easy enough. Im going through blood swamps, and theres movements are so perfect

[patent stream]

And yet you still think they play like humans?

[static trout]

Are you talking about posessed?

[burnt moss]

I think I could experience a delay that you don’t then.

[static trout]

The buff totem marauder?

[quasi sandal]

hi

[static trout]

Because they do everything, but faster

[burnt moss]

Some of us don’t know how humans play because Battlemode is dead

[wispy garden]

No i beat the buffed marauder first try

[static trout]

what are you talking about then

[patent stream]

Even if you don’t play battlemode you can see that the demons are pretty robotic and have pretty set structure

Like dooms ai isn’t exactly the craziest thing out there.

[flint flame]

Trust me, pub demons play so robotic, the actual AI is more menacing