doom-eternal

[burnt moss]

It’s also 20 min long haha. I watched the first min and a half.

[burnt moss]

Gah this level is so frustrating I don’t know what to do next

Doom 93

[vivid cliff]

beginning a game with 3 crucibles

mastery level* not game

[ivory ore]

You go to a level that has crucible blades in it, restock, then save n quit

[vivid cliff]

okay

[azure oriole]

just did base campaign UN this time without saving throw

i have done tag 2 un

just need to do tag 1 un 💀

[ember void]

jeez, congrats dude. I wish you luck with tag 1 lol.

[azure oriole]

also if doing taras na 🅱️ go in to the base campain and just use infinite ammo to the final stage dont pick up the charges and leave for the TN master level uses the placement of you last crucible charges in the base games campaing

campaign*

[azure oriole]

i might not do it till later lol

[sacred dirge]

🍻

[azure oriole]

yep

cant wait 💀

[azure oriole]

Which level?

[burnt moss]

E2M4. I found a walkthrough on YouTube and the answer was so stupid. I’m mad.

[azure oriole]

Try to mental map the color key door locations, usually you find the doors before finding the keys.
Also the map shows you where you have been.

[flint flame]

Oh, basically complete any campaign level normally with three charges

It’ll save whatever you have from the last level you played, and since you ended with 3 charges of crucible it’ll carry over

[azure oriole]

Actually the map shows you color key door locations too iirc

But yeah early 90s shooters were key and switch hunts by large.
Also goes to show how dependant we've become on objective markers.

[burnt moss]

I don’t think it shows where I’ve been

[burnt moss]

I’m just fine being reliant on objective markers. A “mission” usually involves prior planning, and some level of intel about objectives. In-game, I’m given nothing. And in this case, after I found all necessary keys, I failed to identify a switch (because switches are sometimes inconspicuous and 2-D)

[azure oriole]

yes it does, if you haven't found the automap it only shows the places you've been in.
If you have found the automap the places you haven't been in are shown in gray

[azure oriole]

Fair, but doomguy is just trying to survive, the "mission" went to hell (pun intended) before even E1M1
Also no radio communications and allies are dead so he would not receive any intel on the field

[azure oriole]

so actually it works just like the map in Eternal in that respect

less useful without the automap but if you for instance see a door (yellow line on map) next to nothing, you know you haven't went through that door yet

works as a good clue on what to do next sometimes

then you check the door and realize you can't open it, so you likely need to find a switch or a key etc

[azure oriole]

All that said yes, modern games communicate what the game is expecting of you much better than old games

[burnt moss]

No it shows the whole map with no indications. Just the colored doors.

[burnt moss]

Fair enough

Golly why can’t I take out a couple mancs and a caco? CB on NM

[azure oriole]

Ah guess they changed it for the rerelease version then

The way I described it is how it used to be

[ivory ore]

Lmao just heatblast

[azure oriole]

the rocket launcher arena?

[burnt moss]

Yup

[azure oriole]

yeah that's pretty tricky actually. If you can't kill the mancubi fast then destory all of their arm cannons, makes them much less of a threat

also the gargoyles are a major threat

use the jump pads constantly too to get around

[burnt moss]

Stupid gargoyles

[azure oriole]

in retrospect it's little wonder cultist base feels like a major difficulty spike thinking of the encounters like that one.
Before you faced an arachnotron, a revenant and a hell knight at once, tops.
Now there's 3 mancubi, caco, gargoyles

[burnt moss]

And like no cover

[azure oriole]

for my UN run that was one of the arenas I trained for the most, to get a consistent routine

[burnt moss]

I don’t remember it being this hard on my NM run

[azure oriole]

you probably did it well on instinct. There were a few arenas in early game I didn't struggle much with on first run but found them a major choke later

[burnt moss]

Well I’m still learning PB. Didn’t use it until I was done with campaign

[azure oriole]

You mean use of PB or PB swaps?

[burnt moss]

PB in general. I used it when I had to on Urdak and that was it

[azure oriole]

I see, that could partially explain why the 3 manc arena feels hard. PB is your best tool for destroying weak points, until you get the ballista

Mancubi in particular are an enemy where destroying weak points matters. Until you learn combos that kill them fast

and even then, if you kill them with say pb-rocket, it's a good idea to land the pb shots on the cannons.

[burnt moss]

Yeah this is the only real use of higher difficulty for me. To force me to gain different skills.

[signal spear]

2nd attempt to complete unreclaimed earth. The pain is started.

[azure oriole]

actually the quick switch loading screen tip shows you exactly that, it kills a mancubus with pb rocket combo while hitting the cannons with pb

[burnt moss]

I beat it at like 20 health and 20 armor just now

[azure oriole]

GG! Try to think of what happened during the success versus the failed attempts, what did you do different

[burnt moss]

Rather than jumping into the fray aggressively (which you can afford to do when you have a SSG and more health) I focused on keeping my distance, methodically destroying one isolated manc/caco at a time, and striving to be where the mancs aren’t. I also did not use PB once it got intense.

[azure oriole]

There you go, stuff like this improves your play. So you had to keep your distance and be vary of your positioning

Valuable stuff in general

and yeah SSG is a game changer, both from damage output and movement tool perspective

[burnt moss]

This is always a major weakness for me. I close the distance and put myself in danger. Even in actual martial arts, I’m too reckless about putting myself in harm’s way to get the offensive position I want.

[azure oriole]

I used to do the same and took me a while to realize that. I put myself in enemy hot spots and that often got me killed.
Sure it's fun if you pull it off but it's a very high risk strat often

And mancubi in particular punish you for getting too close

and you cannot tank much damage yet in cultist base

[burnt moss]

Or on NM in general

[azure oriole]

well yeah but once you have fully upgraded or almost fully upgraded health and armor plus faster cooldown on flame belch etc you can recover much better

[burnt moss]

True. I miss flaming meathook 😦 on almost every run I unlock it during the doom hunter battle

[azure oriole]

it's good strat to unlock it fast. If you really focus on it you can unlock it already in cultist base or early doom hunter base

[burnt moss]

Speaking of which I haven’t used any weapon points yet haha

[signal spear]

Tyrant + tentacles impossible moment in unreclaimed earth

After respawn they attack me when i cant move

[burnt moss]

Try Chaingun shield maybe? I don’t remember the place

[signal spear]

I cant swap on chaingun + change mod on chaingun

• shield for skill issue

[slow sigil]

just dont have mobile turret equiped in the first ppace

[burnt moss]

Bit late for that eh?

I have no idea where you’re at on that level btw

[signal spear]

I beat him

Now im on next location

[azure oriole]

it's Unreclaimed Earth, a mod master level

[azure oriole]

I saw you made it past but you can swap to a weapon and mod via weapon wheel actually

or equip mods in arsenal tab so they are pre-equipped when you swap

aka instantly hit tab when you're loaded in, swap to shield on chaingun, equip chaingun and hold mouse 2

[mossy nova]

How to remove original preator suit skin pop up when i enter my saves

Because it wont go away

[hushed garden]

are you also getting the unmaykr unlock message from Samuel Hayden

[mossy nova]

No

[hushed garden]

oh wait did you unlock the unmaykr anyway?

[mossy nova]

I always unlock it

Even tho i dont use the unmaykr

[hushed garden]

no like in that specific save

[mossy nova]

Well all of my saves but my hurt me plenty save i only got it after i finished the save
After hurt me plenty i got to ultra violance after that nightmare all of my saves
Show the same original preator slayer skin pop up

[hushed garden]

yeah it's just a bug with the game

[signal spear]

It's pain, not a level

[light hare]

am i the only one who has connection issues?

keeps disconnecting me from bethesda.net

[signal spear]

I cant play coz this message off my screen

[light hare]

how do you mean

@signal spear

[signal spear]

pause screen

I'm done. I can't beat 1 fight 40 min.

[light hare]

like it fr lets me play for like 2 minutes and then this shitty error message pops up

[mossy nova]

what are your thoughts about the dark lord boss fight ?

[lavish talon]

will the game be in the steam summer sale?

like, I have the money to buy the game, but I just wanna make sure if its gonna be there, considering that its coming up really soon and I wanna save some money

[signal spear]

Money is temporary, DOOM is eternal!

[azure oriole]

Doom...

[slow sigil]

99% certainty

[lavish talon]

aight, thanks!

[slow sigil]

Deluxe edition should be like, 24 bucks i' fairly certain
Phenomonal deal

[azure oriole]

fr...

[signal spear]

I don't understand why cacodemons dont it sticky bombs

[azure oriole]

?

[mossy nova]

what do baby cacodemons look like ?

[signal spear]

Last fight for complete Unreclaimed Earth...

[mossy nova]

to*

[signal spear]

not strong in english, sorry

[mossy nova]

okay👍

2 months left before quakecon (this is my first time goin to online quakecon)

first time because i didnt discover quakecon yet before i bought doom eternal

[signal spear]

Holy shit. Seraphim last fight in unreclaimed earth

[mossy nova]

what

the seraphim is in tag 1 the holt

[signal spear]

Unreclaimed earth - custom level

[mossy nova]

ohh okay

[signal spear]

I beat unreclaimed earth.

[azure oriole]

I thought disabling Freesync cured the crashing, no, just crashed again.
Game is so unstable for me I've uninstalled it until there is another update or something.

[mossy nova]

Thoughts about the dark lord boss fight ?

[naive parcel]

Sugondese mod

[dim solar]

Mine doesnt crash but lags like hell

Dunno what to do to fix it either

[jagged geode]

lol like "hell"

[mossy nova]

Super heavys are fun to kill except archvilles

[vapid crest]

Does anyone have tips for beating Ultra Nightmare? I've have some good runs but died and never successfully completed it lol

[dim solar]

what was the furthest you went in?

[vapid crest]

I got to icon of sin but then a pain elemental just spammed souls and I died

rough life fr....

[dim solar]

holy shit

[vapid crest]

or something killed me idk I was max health with armour

then just lost all of my health and died 💀

[dim solar]

yeah, IoS is a mess if he summons PEs

[vapid crest]

Crazy fr

[dim solar]

don't really have any advice for you there m8

just, try again and pray to the ancient gods for a better RNG next time

[vapid crest]

eh thats fine lmao

[vapid crest]

fr fr

[jagged geode]

Im still on the campaign story lol

[vapid crest]

oh nice what part?

[jagged geode]

The very beginning. Basically the snowy cultist level

[vapid crest]

ohhh ight you made progress

[jagged geode]

lol I mean I still have a long ways to go tbh

[vapid crest]

true true

[jagged geode]

plus DLC

[vapid crest]

idk if I should buy the dlc people say its good people say its bad

[jagged geode]

so mixed signals

[vapid crest]

ive seen videos it looks sick but idk lol

[jagged geode]

I mean it really depends

I really do like that they made a free "battlepass" type thing

[burnt moss]

Really? How?

[jagged geode]

or as they call it "events"

[vapid crest]

and the free rewards with prime

your a og if you got the skins through twitch and not buying it fr

[jagged geode]

oh yeah I forgot they did that

[jagged geode]

lol I technically just started playing 😫

[vapid crest]

lmao

[jagged geode]

sucks to be me lol

[vapid crest]

nah its cool

just two things, always keep moving and quick switch weapons

I think by where you said you already have some good weapons for quick switching

[jagged geode]

wait how do you quick switch?

[vapid crest]

ight so

for example, you got ballista and rocket launcher you can switch between both weapons by for example pressing (1 +2) or wtv your keys are binded too for those weapons, then you shoot, switch to the other weapon, and repeat and you can shred any enemy and theres lots of other combos

thats kinda brief

but in reality its just switching between weapons bypassing the reload thing lol

[burnt moss]

DLC is more valuable than base campaign to me. Very little of base campaign is replayable without a new save

[vapid crest]

mhm

[mossy nova]

The main campaign is better then the dlc change my mind

[dim solar]

like who the heck plays base game on a save with everything upgraded 😂

[mossy nova]

Fun fact: a single fight of the dark lord can level you up by 1 level

[azure oriole]

Well of course it is, the main campaign is longer and has more stuff.

[burnt moss]

Main campaign has kid gloves on until near the end because it’s built to challenge weaker versions of the slayer as you pick up more upgrades. And then you only get a couple levels of full-throttle fighting before the game ends.

[mossy nova]

Yes

[burnt moss]

False. It’s worth 15k.

[jagged geode]

well I play on ps5

[tame root]

are u sure you didn't just complete a random challenge void slayer

[mossy nova]

Well a single fight for me levels me up by 1 level

[vapid crest]

oh well, thats a little more complicated

[tame root]

I know the exp is bugged to say 7k but I dunno if they did something to that fight to actually lower the exp gain

[vapid crest]

you just gotta spam the weapon wheel, im not to sure for console but im pretty sure thats what you do

[burnt moss]

Quickswap is where you tap your weapon wheel button and it switches to your previous weapon

[tame root]

because I don't farm davoth anymore

[mossy nova]

Farming davoth is fun

[burnt moss]

I got 85k points per level on a HMP campaign run. I finished the summer event in a couple days.

[mossy nova]

Same but mine was on nightmare on the dlc or campaign
I was was doing the dlc on nigntmare

[vapid crest]

jesus and I thought I was good 💀

[burnt moss]

No one is good

[vapid crest]

well damn

[tame root]

least most folks arent gonna bust out all the new quickswap tech in normal conversations

[jagged geode]

this games low key complicated lol

[jagged geode]

Ohhh okay I see

[vapid crest]

a little but if you get the hang of it it becomes pretty simple

[indigo silo]

You didnt knew about that?

[burnt moss]

Definitely. But it can be simple if you want. Especially on low difficulty

[tame root]

just remember you don't need to be an absolute minmaxer to be good at this game lol

[burnt moss]

Minmaxer?

[indigo silo]

Becouse all you need to do is kill demons

[vapid crest]

also if you wanna make quick switching better get the suit upgrade for faster switchs so you can shred demons faster lol

[mossy nova]

Quick switching is easy for me by pressing "Q" but it burned my fingers
Because my WASD my AS are broken because i broke the keys it burned my fingers

[vapid crest]

I use my mouse buttons to quick switch lmao

[mossy nova]

It it might have caused a 2 holes deep in my finger

[mossy nova]

Side buttons ?

[tame root]

sounds like you need a new keyboard.

[vapid crest]

another way of saying it but yes

[indigo silo]

Any one vc?

[burnt moss]

Wtf art you talking about? Does your keyboard randomly catch fire?

[flint flame]

It’s swap between two weapons and press the weapon wheel button which swaps to previous gun

[vapid crest]

ye

[mossy nova]

My laptop overheats a little when i play doom eternal
And my fingers are exposed to the metal part of my laptops keyboard
Like the AS keys where i broke AS

What are the emoji for

[indigo silo]

It hurts by hearing that

[tame root]

lol i'd go potato settings in that game to minimize heat

that and capping your framerate which still helps my beefy ass rig

[indigo silo]

I dunno why but i love to over heat my laptop

[mossy nova]

Yes i suffered with low fps because my laptop is trash and rendered movement because i broke my keys

[vapid crest]

how low hmmm

[tame root]

you try dropping your render scale?

[mossy nova]

I beat the main campaign tag 1 and tag 2 in 12 to 16 fps

[azure oriole]

My laptop is fucking awesome and never gets hot playing Eternal

[vapid crest]

12-16???

[mossy nova]

Its always in 50 the low one but i cant find any commands to lower it

[mossy nova]

Yes im used to it now

[vapid crest]

I mean props ig

[mossy nova]

I set everything to low but it wont help

[tame root]

there are also videos for real potato mode in DE assuming you can handle no textures and such

[mossy nova]

What potato mode

[flint flame]

Yeah I was boutta say, there’s a config to make your game look extra potato

[mossy nova]

What commands

[vapid crest]

how potato we talking like minecraft doom?

[tame root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExNM8vXl4I4

pretty much the de equivalent of quake picmip

[jagged geode]

lol I'll keep that in mind

[jagged geode]

ps1 type beat

[mossy nova]

Texture lod bias was the command what i was looking for thx to this

But is there any command to get 60 fps without making it look like a 2015 mobile game

[azure oriole]

Unironically doesn't even look too bad.

I could imagine someone modding the game to take advantage of this with lowpoly models and shit.

[tame root]

DE has a decent art style, modelers knew what they were doing since 2016

Same reason why people can potato the crap outta TF2 and it'll still look good

[mossy nova]

How to make commands be turned off and on because i dont want to write a entire command

[tepid horizon]

Hey guys.

I had a Doom Eternal save file on my friend’s Xbox via GamePass (Series S). I eventually bought a Series X and wanted to use his save file.

I signed in to my Xbox profile on his account (to test it), didn’t see any of my own save data so I signed back into his account and all the data has been wiped!

I “went online” and saw my Bethesda account there but the data is still gone. Is there any way of retrieving it!??

[flint flame]

🤷‍♂️

[real stone]

anyone just wanna chill and vc DM Me

[patent stream]

No?

[azure oriole]

https://youtu.be/PIeMGobEFzA listen All you need to do is download a mod loader then put the text document as the dude says in the video into the base folder of Doom eternal and then you just like typing whatever he says or just like execute the text files name and then everything will go to lower graphics. the only bad thing is is that you might not wanna type it in again of every time you play so instead type it in once run it then once you’re done playing the game get off and in the next time you’ll get on just go to the command Cancel area press up on the arrow key it’ll do the last command console you put in it doesn’t matter if it was a year ago or two seconds ago it’ll remember it and then just press enter and I’ll run it again so you Don’t have to type it every time you run the game. Hope this helps

[azure oriole]

Better yet just take all of the commands he wrote and put them into executable file from the dude I was talking about and then just run executable like I said in the other paragraph

Again hope this helps

[sacred dirge]

I'd play it

[obtuse lion]

That's the only way I could play it

[burnt moss]

Thanks I hate it

[hazy widget]

tbh micro missiles is really underrated

[azure oriole]

yeah they're cool to use when you run out of ammo on every other weapon and cant chainsaw

[hazy widget]

they are also a good way to barrage enemies

[azure oriole]

to be serious they are pretty fun to use on low health enemies, especially paired with ice bomb

[floral ore]

||wait but doomguy can‘t wake up in the next doom since he lost his powers by killing the dark lord||

tag2 spoiler ^

[azure oriole]

what does waking up have to do with power

[floral ore]

he fell asleep due to losing power, and the dark lord won‘t just be revived someday

unless

[azure oriole]

to be honest i dont see any other path cause they definitely wont let their best franchise die out for story purposes

[tame root]

a new demon power macguffin of course

[azure oriole]

this guy knows

[tame root]

he's just nappin

[strange gale]

w/ MM mastery & ice bomb damage buff, MM kills a manc in about... 40 bullets. out of a max of 180. you can't even kill 5 mancs with that, assuming you always have ice bomb available, and for that to be true you'd either have to have cheats on or play ridiculously slow. a kill potential of 5 mancs, WITH a 62.5% damage buff on top of the base damage. definitely not underrated.

for comparison, on a mancubus: pb(weakpoint) > dash into manc > bp > ssg = stagger. for a total cost of 6 bullets and 2 shells, assuming you have a fully upgraded bp. a kill potential of 12.

[jaunty vapor]

Nobody underrated Micro Missiles. They've always been a decent weapon, they just get outclassed by PB rather easily.

But they're typically considered the best weapon for people who are bad at quick swapping, which is still something.

Just cause other weapons are better doesn't mean people "underestimate/undervalue" the worse options, they're rated rather accurately for the most part.

It's not like people are saying "micro Missiles will get you killed", they still work. They're less efficient but they work

[jaunty vapor]

Numbers? Facts? LOGIC? Sir, do you know where you are?

Here we only go by what we FEEL is better

That and what big number pooptuber says

[azure oriole]

9001 is a pretty big number if you ask me

[burnt moss]

Turret go brrr

[ancient plaza]

Me waiting for invasaion

[azure oriole]

Invasion isn't coming

[jaunty vapor]

Fuck u rit

[ancient plaza]

Dont say thaaaaat

[jaunty vapor]

There is an Invasion mod on Nexus. It's pretty fun.

[azure oriole]

thaaaaat

[jaunty vapor]

Honestly I wasn't sold on Invasion as a concept until I actually played it, now I'm kinda disappointed id gave up on the idea. Mods can only do so much and there's some issues that can't be fixed but overall, the mode is super fun.

[azure oriole]

Honestly i would give up horde AND invasion for a level editor

[jaunty vapor]

I'd give up Horde for anything to be fair. XD But agreed.

[spice wind]

Agreed

[azure oriole]

I want to make a modded doom eternal campaign so bad. The new combat system mixed with custom levels would basically make infinite replayabiity

[ancient plaza]

Tru tru but it would be easier if id just added it

[azure oriole]

I tried modding my game but literally every mod i wanted was out of date so i just gave up

[ancient plaza]

Frrr it would be so fun

[azure oriole]

Even snapmap would be great, since you can still make custom geo with it. Imagine being able to make custom demons too by changing their abilities

[burnt moss]

Who said he lost his powers?

[floral ore]

someone else on here

[ancient plaza]

Yess

Idk why Id removed so many features from doom 2016 for eternal

[jaunty vapor]

Well snapmap was developed by a 3rd party after the fact, I believe.

[azure oriole]

I want to make a custom level filled with purple goo, marauders, stone imps, and archviles with shields. And screechers.

[quartz charm]

Why does the bfg 9000 have 9000 in the name 🤔

[azure oriole]

Bloodshot9001 is a bfg confirmed 🥺

[ancient plaza]

That

[quartz charm]

Yes

[ancient plaza]

Is rookie to Zero master

[spice wind]

Being able to Make custom maps and demons would be great

[azure oriole]

I would spend hundreds of hours just making campaigns and custom bosses

[quartz charm]

Custom demons are possible

[spice wind]

Me too

[azure oriole]

Yeah i remebmer seeing a shielded pain elemental, a red spirit, and a metal hell knight that deals extra damage in some mod i watched

[ancient plaza]

Ikr

[ancient plaza]

Isnt there also this archpriest or somethin as a mod?

[quartz charm]

That’s from kaiser campaign

[jaunty vapor]

This has the same energy as people who ask if the year 1 pass only lasts a year. 😒

[quartz charm]

People ask that???

[jaunty vapor]

Yes, people unironically ask that.

[quartz charm]

💀 bro

[ancient plaza]

Ok but does a year 1 pass last a year tho?

[azure oriole]

i am an idiot comfirned

[sacred dirge]

[jaunty vapor]

The average Doom discord user has a single brain cell.

And all 500+ of them need to share that single brain cell.

[quartz charm]

Does this include you

[jaunty vapor]

I can neither confirm nor deny

[quartz charm]

I’m probably a part of that portion of people

[jaunty vapor]

Tbh for the most part things are more chill than they used to be.

[quartz charm]

True

Still low key a daycare tho

Eternal chat and general are literally a jungle

[jaunty vapor]

People used to diehard defend weapons being better than they actually are despite the numbers literally saying otherwise. Not even people saying the weapons were bad, just that "the weapon is a bit worse than so and so". And we still get that, but not in droves like before.

[azure oriole]

I find full auto and mm fun to use sometimes but they definitely cant hold a candle to ssg ballista or pb rocket and all that

[quartz charm]

True

[jaunty vapor]

Like nowadays, people actually understand Energy Shield, Lock On, and Air Control are hands down OP at least. People used to say ESbield was worse than Mobile Turret XD

[ancient plaza]

Whats ur guys fav weapon in doom?

[quartz charm]

That’s actually stupid lmao

[full crystal]

well its been 2 years. you get tired of arguing about the same thing over and over eventually

wait what am i saying, this is the internet

[azure oriole]

ssg for the meathook alone

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah there's nothing wrong with enjoying the weapons or having them as favorites, etc. It's when people SWEAR that others just "don't know how to use this secret op underused weapon"

[azure oriole]

agreed

[quartz charm]

Either soul cube (I think that’s what it’s called), eternal ssg, and eternal chaingun (shield)

[ancient plaza]

Hmmm

[ancient plaza]

Tasty wrapon

[jaunty vapor]

I really like 2016s Mobile Turret, and I have a soft spot for Eternals because of it. Same for Siege Mode Gauss -> Destroyer Blade.

I think I like Siege more,.with the exception of the bisection kill animations of Dblade.

[sacred dirge]

Sometimes guns can be fun to use even if they aren't the most effective

[ancient plaza]

Good choice i like db alot

There better be some lore to how doom slayer holds like.. 8 weapons 🗿

[jaunty vapor]

Exactly. The visual/audio of Full Auto is unironically top notch, and is probably the reason people like it/think it's better than it is, cause it SOUNDS good, and rapid firing shotgun shots is very cool.

[sacred dirge]

I still need to test mobile turret 2016 against Gatling Rotator

[jaunty vapor]

And then the thing you were shooting kills you and you remember ;_;

[sacred dirge]

I go out of my way to use guns that just feel beefy and just fun to use.

[ancient plaza]

Agree one time i turned on infinite ammo cheat just to use full auto

[azure oriole]

Flying around on the meathook with momentum is, in my opinion, the most satisfying thing in the game (other than the gore)

[jaunty vapor]

The reason I critiqued Full Auto so hard and incessantly was so people understood why it was bad so that it could get buffed to usablilty. Cause it IS a cool weapon, it just doesn't do enough damage. That's the only issue with the gun. Like we could talk about complicated/specific ways to buff the weapon (scaling damage on firing, armor piercing, whatever), but if id buffed it by 1.7x or 1.8x damage, it would be decent and still "worse" than SSG, but like... Still competitive with it

Or I guess it'd be "good but not oppressively good" is a better way of saying it

[azure oriole]

we can all agree that drefault shotgun and cannon fire is the worst in the game

[ancient plaza]

You really love that meaty hook

That sounded wrong

[jaunty vapor]

x2 damage is too much, x1.7 is just a bit too low imo but obviously still decent. 1.8 and it's a toss up.

[opal galleon]

Super Hooker Shotgun

[azure oriole]

Your name is sus

[ancient plaza]

Ayy nutty milky

[opal galleon]

EVERY FUCKING DAY

[ancient plaza]

Sounded wrong again

[strange gale]

if by "worst" you mean worst source of damage, that'd be the default punch

if by worst you mean least utility, that'd still be the default punch

[azure oriole]

Default punch is pretty good to interrupt enemy animations at least

[ancient plaza]

Oh god..not the default punch

It made doom guy into doom boy

[jaunty vapor]

Well ackchewally

I think default punch can trigger the crit on a live sticky bomb

Though dash also does that soooo you're still probably right

[strange gale]

dash does more damage and does not interrupt your firing anims so it's far more viable in combos

[jaunty vapor]

I know, that's why I said you're probably still right XD

It is funny that dash does more damage than base punch... You'd think the damage would be similar/the same.

[strange gale]

in fact, this is only consistent because of the single dash into the manc https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689356001383940097/981645327385915482/manc_bp_loop.mp4

[azure oriole]

Nice ssg skin lol

[strange gale]

it also works if you get a pb crit (automatically inconsistent if you go for that instead of a contact dash), but without the dash this lands exactly at 500 health

3500 damage for what is effectively only 2000 damage worth of ammo, pretty neat

[ancient plaza]

Oooh

The ssg is a lil scary

[pure iris]

When is close range combat a good idea? Except for glory/saw kills ofc

[slow sigil]

whenever you want the thrill

[azure oriole]

Depends on the situation. For, say, a manc, hell no because his high damage aoe attack. You might want to remove his cannons and falter him with a grenade and then get up close to shoot him

[slow sigil]

tbf close range can still be out of mancubi aoe range

[pure iris]

Whata a manc

[azure oriole]

Big fat guy mancubus

[pure iris]

The guy with the two cannons on his shoulders? Or is he called revenant in English too

[azure oriole]

The big one, who has cannons on his arms. He has a big gut and he moves slowly

[pure iris]

Havent seen one yet

[azure oriole]

Oh. you'll know when you see him. He's in cultuist base

[pure iris]

We'll see, ill go back to ripping then thanks

[azure oriole]

No problem

[sacred dirge]

Big boi

[primal relic]

I like to think of the full auto as more of a combo finisher. The damage isn't good enough to justify spraying your entire mag, but it's very good to finish enemies off, and the mastery of it makes it even better for that purpose

[full crystal]

using an automatic weapon as a finisher feels ass backwards

[jaunty vapor]

PB is a better/more reliable finisher though. Also, are you using Full Auto as a finisher before Arc Complex, i.e. before the mastery? Cause that's a waste of ammo since even Sticky Bombs would be a better finisher at that point.

[slow sigil]

full auto mastery when you still have to restack your other guns

[jaunty vapor]

The only time Full Autos mastery is useful for getting ammo is when you're over relying on shotgun, I'm particular full auto. Cause otherwise, chainsaw should be keeping you topped off no matter what, even in slaughter maps/modded master levels you shouldn't be running out.

[primal relic]

No, absolutely not. Full auto is entirely useless before that point in my opinion

[slow sigil]

and after

[primal relic]

I do use shotguns quite a lot

[jaunty vapor]

I don't wanna say FA finisher is useless, it's just that chainsaw should "be enough", if that makes sense.

[primal relic]

and I don't want to use a chainsaw if I need just shotgun ammo

[jaunty vapor]

I think in such a situation, it's still more beneficial to chainsaw because you get iframes anyways, so there's nothing lost when you chainsaw. Cause even if you're at full on your other ammo, you're basically the "same" as if you were low on your other ammo and then chainsawed.

Basically there's almost never a bad time to chainsaw.

[primal relic]

Yeah that does make sense. The more and more I think about it, I think I only use full auto because it's fun 💀

I'm curious as to what your opinions are on all of the other weapon mods

[sacred dirge]

🇫 🇦

[jaunty vapor]

Nothing wrong with that. Though I will admit I always feel frustrated when I use it. But that's probably just muscle memory and stuff.

[slow sigil]

basically, half of them are kinda shite

[primal relic]

I've used both sticky bombs and full auto to the point that I'm very used to both, so that's quite a win for me

[jaunty vapor]

So for most other mods, they're "worse than the other mod" but they're not bad at every skill level.

The big reason FA is a joke is cause even with the mastery, it's less ammo efficient than SSG at ALL ranges.

[primal relic]

well yeah, that's quite subjective considering playstyles 🗿

[jaunty vapor]

Like, Mm is "worse" than PB, but for people who can't aim well or quick swap, etc, MM is a great fully automatic damage source that you can upgrade early

[slow sigil]

i mean, unless you bypass the swap animation i usually dont think it's even worth switching over

[jaunty vapor]

Whereas Full Auto you need to REALLY learn the ins/outs of the game, just to make it "viable", let alone good.

[primal relic]

yeah that does sound about right

[jaunty vapor]

So for newcomers, both Stickys and SSG are easier to use, require less upgrades to BE useful, and they continue to outperform even at high level.

The other mods (remote det, arb, microwave beam) have niche uses that some players at a lower skill level might be able to take use of

[primal relic]

uber-endgame DOOM eternal update where you have both mods on the weapon and switch which one you use with the push of a button, like switching grenades

[jaunty vapor]

Like Microwave beam isn't the best but it IS easy to use a d requires little investment theoretically

[primal relic]

I feel like microwave beam would be better if they kept that scrapped mastery where you can beam two enemies

[jaunty vapor]

Honestly I've been saying we should get merged weapons for the next game.

Left click = full auto, right click = sticky bombs.

Or for Heavy Rifle, make the IDKFA glitch an actual mechanic

Would be a neat reward for mastering both mods, and give some added versatility/usability depending on how they implement it

[primal relic]

that would be super freaking awesome actually

[slow sigil]

i'd rather have completely unique weapon mods ngl, instead of not being able to base fire at all anymore

imagine if you couldnt shoot rockets if one is flying already

or no bal base fire

[jaunty vapor]

Well in shotguns case, Full Auto is inherently the same as Base Fire so I see no minus here. For the Heavy Rifle though it'd be different.

So that's why I said depends on how they implement it

[primal relic]

imagine you're able to fire the lock-on rockets, then you're able to switch to the remote detonation and detonate the lock-on burst

[slow sigil]

yeah true, but even then i would rather see radically different mods then just like full auto where it is base fire but just faster

[strange gale]

msc is now obsolete

[slow sigil]

msc?

[strange gale]

modswap cancel

[jaunty vapor]

Dblade + Arbalest, fire a blade that when it hits stuff it explodes + cleaves

[primal relic]

good gracious

[jaunty vapor]

BFG + Unmaykr, fire 3 burst Bfg's fully automatically XD

There's actually a glitch where you rapid fire BFG shots, but unfortunately it's just a visual glitch.

[slow sigil]

rem det lock on: it's lock on but they just explode with reduced damage

[primal relic]

ey, more unmaykr utility, I'd take it

[strange gale]

worse damage potential than base fire btw

[jaunty vapor]

"Let's make a weapon mod that does LESS damage than base fire, brilliant!"

[primal relic]

I feel like unmaykr could do for a damage boost. Ammo is rare enough for it to be balanced

[strange gale]

remind me of the utility again, soft falters? the thing you get anyway by just firing weapons?

[jaunty vapor]

The change id like to see is BFG costs 40 shots, but max ammo is 80 (and BFG ammo of course gives 40 instead of 30).

Or 45/90. Basically, give more.shots of Unmaykr while keeping the same amount of BFG

[slow sigil]

and yet they give the shield hard falters cause why the fuck not ig

[jaunty vapor]

Cause Unmaykr damage is actually pretty good, it's just that BFG is SO good and easy to use

[strange gale]

i struggle to come up with any reason for rd's existence, other than a quota having to be filled

[primal relic]

BFG is very "fuck everything", unmaykr is very "fuck you in particular". Neat

[slow sigil]

i like it so i can hold right click while pb rocketing cause my fingers arent fast enough

[strange gale]

that's just about it

the input leniency is genuinely more useful than the mod's actual function

[primal relic]

I think it's more of a tool than something for DPS

[signal spear]

I'd like to see gold unmaykr.

[slow sigil]

except with how many hard falters there are, an aditional soft falter just isnt really worth it

[jaunty vapor]

Honestly remote det "should" be the tool for aoe.

Rockets deal 600 splash, 300 impact.
Lock ons deal 875 impact, 25 splash.

So ar the very least remote det should do 600 splash base, with very little damage fall off.

Instead it does 400 base with severe fall off.

[primal relic]

amazing

[jaunty vapor]

I very rarely see Remote Det deal more than like 300, and that's with Explosive Array giving the extra "200"

[slow sigil]

i dont even get why the tuned down the damage if lock on does practically the same damage but bursted

[jaunty vapor]

Remote det did used to be REALLY good in 2016. My guess is they were worried it'd be the same way again.

[strange gale]

remind me of the utility again, soft falters? the thing you get anyway by just firing weapons?
in the situations where you'd want to use rd, pb rocket does the same for better damage. oh, using rd on a pinky is a waste of ammo? jump over it. oh, you want to avoid self damage because your target gets up to you so fast that you don't have time to fire safe pb rocket cycles? ssg. bp loops. want aoe damage to kill fodder? stickies. blood punch, again. want bp back? headshot two tier 1 zombies with hc base fire.

[jaunty vapor]

That said in 2016 Lock On was meh, and Remote Det mastery basically have you a second rocket per shot.

[primal relic]

lock on burst was very easy to combo with in 2016

I was able to shoot a base rocket, lock-on, then instantly fire another base rocket after the lock-on within the span of a second

[full crystal]

lockon did like no damage in 2016

you can combo it all you want but youre still do less damage

[primal relic]

and there was enough rocket capacity for it to not make a dent in my ammo, especially with the rich get richer rune

[strange gale]

rl isn't particularly strong in d16, its best use case is probably to fill the required time quota between dksm shots.

[full crystal]

remote det was hugely strong. you can clear entire room with it just firing blindly

[primal relic]

thoughts on swimming in doom eternal?

[full crystal]

no thoughts. you do like 30 seconds of swimming in the entire thing

[primal relic]

for me those 30 seconds are pain

but I think that's because of the stupid cutaway sequences where it shows the water lowering

[slow sigil]

feels like ID wasted time coding it

[primal relic]

I feel like it would be better if there were less puzzles with it and if it were in short bursts, like for environmental stuff. I think reclaimed earth did it well

[full crystal]

you can skip all lowering the water in taras nabad with pb

[primal relic]

damn

[slow sigil]

also blood swamps

[slow sigil]

not in the big square sections, right

[strange gale]

and spend about 30 years more on that room clear than you would by spamming alpha cycle

[primal relic]

correct. Although I think they could've done away with the RAD suit stuff

[lime pulsar]

just joined the server, hello everyone :D

[primal relic]

hello

[slow sigil]

meh i liked the flavour for it

[sacred dirge]

Reap and tur

[reef willow]

Alright I need a good answer for this, I need to get an upgrade for the rocket launcher. Lock on or Remote detonation?

[lime pulsar]

lock works dope with my gameplay style

[burnt moss]

What’s invasion?

[burnt moss]

It’s not a stupid question. What is “year one” even referring to?

[azure oriole]

...

[burnt moss]

Kinda like how the numbers say the Unmaykr does more damage to Superheavies than the BFG? I think Mayo is onto something with that.

[azure oriole]

oh is he

[pure iris]

The first key challenge was an experience for sure o_o

[burnt moss]

Buttcheeks

[azure oriole]

You can select the weapon and mod you want in weapon wheel, look closely when you have WW on screen

[burnt moss]

Even with iframes, chainsaw allows heavies to crowd you

[quaint ice]

i finally get the desmayker im dying, thank you God

[burnt moss]

I have seen the icons for mods, I just don’t know how to switch them on the ww

[azure oriole]

desmayker?

[quaint ice]

yeah

[azure oriole]

you silly, its an unmakyr with a destroyer blade

oh ok

[azure oriole]

i was actually being sarcastic i'm pretty sure there isnt a weapon in the game called the desmaker

[burnt moss]

When experienced players say worse, it’s objective and based on math. If you use the “bad” mods you are objectively not optimizing your gameplay to kill demons efficiently

[strange gale]

except heavies don't really move while you're chainsawing. they only "surround you" if they already happen to be in close proximity before you go for a chainsaw. and even then, you have plenty of options to get out of a crowd post-chainsaw.

[burnt moss]

I’d prefer they just make the mod button be its own trigger, so you don’t touch “Fire” when using a mod.

[azure oriole]

the hell

[burnt moss]

I like how it adds another stressor to some fights

[burnt moss]

Yeah

[burnt moss]

Knights/Barons are a concern in this case

[burnt moss]

What

[jaunty vapor]

@burnt moss to answer the questions:

Invasion mode was a scrapped game mode where player controlled demons would invade your game, similar to Dark Souls invasions. It was scrapped at some point after almost a year of dev on it. There's some voice lines and stuff that would have been used for the mode, and there's other leaks and stuff, but it never got any sort of release even with data mining.

Year One pass has a description, and it's basically referring to "The DLC that came out within the first year of Doom Eternals release". I'm not saying the name itself is good, but the description of it tells you it gives the DLCs, not "have access to DLCs for 1 year".

Unmaykr does more damage to a single Super Heavy theoretically, though this doesn't include the amount of frames the tendrils do. But you're also doing damage to multiple enemies at a time, plus stunning enemies. So there's opportunity cost, ease of access, etc all to consider, not to mention routing around ammo in a level itself. With more ammo, Unmaykr could theoretically clear the same amount of demons as BFG but you'd need to actually hit your shots to do so. Which isn't a bad thing, but with the ammo as they are now Unmaykr is rarely if ever the better option. But I do want to say it's not really bad, it's still pretty good if you use it even suboptimally.

When you chainsaw, enemies don't path to you, or at least they don't try to surround you. The only time you get surrounded after chainsawing is if you chainsaw to a fodder that's in the middle of a group of heavies. And even then unless it's something like a Mancubus or maybe Carcass, the enemies can't bit you immediately out of chainsaw, so you can still react and get out of the area you're in (either by dashing, using E-Shield, meathook jumping, etc).

As far as mod button without pressing fire... Eh. It's a design choice. I think it works for something like heat blast and could be decent for other mods (I could see microwave beam using just the mod button). Stickies I could go either on. For lock on or precision bolt, maybe even Micro Missiles, basically anything that charges or primes itself first, I'd rather it be press both to use.

[reef willow]

ok so, arblast or destroyer?

[sacred dirge]

I always thought invasion in horde mode would be interesting

[azure oriole]

destroyer

[pure iris]

Why can I not unlock the micro missiles? Is it gone now because i bought the sniper upgrade

[azure oriole]

did you already use that specific modbot

[pure iris]

Arent modbots just there to make upgrading possible during missions?

Im in the hub rn

[azure oriole]

modbots allow you to get one weapon mod per bot

[pure iris]

Or are modbots for mods and the other yellow things for the upgrades?

[azure oriole]

weapon points are for upgrading weapon mods

modbots unlock the weapon mods

[analog oasis]

You can unlock every mods and fully upgrade them

[pure iris]

Good to know thank you

[pure iris]

Also good to know, was scared that i cant kill stuff with the micro missiles now

[ivory ore]

I wonder if there’s a mod out there than turns the unmaykr into a mini multishot bfg, where there’s hardly any damage at all but its tendrils reaches even further

[distant lynx]

Anyone wanna call

[strange gale]

sounds like a cool alternative to the hammer's group stun aspect

[burnt moss]

My motive for BFG is usually to take out DreadKnights and Tyrants, which are the ones left over after a BFG. I can take on the smaller demons just fine for the most part. For this reason I find myself almost never using BFG. This is why I’m supporting the Unmaykr.

[burnt moss]

As for opportunity, I feel like the BFG cooldown prevents me from doing much while they’re stunned.

[jaunty vapor]

Well it lets you manuver away anyways, but if you really want you can use chainsaw to act out of BFG faster than normal.

[strange gale]

in plenty of spaces, you can fire bfg in such a way that the ball gets lots and lots of airtime

[burnt moss]

That’s what I thought at first. But your plan has the same flaw. I think mods that charge or prime can prime on button press and fire on release.

[jaunty vapor]

The part about opportunity is more that you really only need to maximize air time and do splash damage, rather than aim accurately for it to.be effective. Even a botched BFG is usually pretty useful

[strange gale]

negative edge inputs

[pure iris]

How do you take screenshots on ps4/5

[jaunty vapor]

Share button (left of touch pad)

[pure iris]

The automatic pausing gets in my way

[burnt moss]

Do you mean that a good BFG shot will kill a Tyrant or DreadKnight if it has enough airtime?

[pure iris]

Yeah but the game pauses and the Screenshots show the menu

[jaunty vapor]

Baron, not Dread Knights.

And it might not kill the Tyrant/Baron (though some can), but it will put it close to death while dealing with every other demon. Which yeah oyu might be able to kill them but why risk it when you can just short circuit the entire wave for the most part.

Honestly as long as there's 2 super heavies its usually worth BFGing over Unmaykring anyways cause the splash + tendrils will bit both (plus everything else)

[flint flame]

Tom was right, this chat is stuck in year 1

[flint flame]

Despacito Maykr

[burnt moss]

Baron is the biggest one? That means the DK is midsize with orange blades then?

[slow sigil]

Yeh

[burnt moss]

Isn’t there a cap on how much damage a BFG can do to them? Can it bring them close to Stagger?

[slow sigil]

Dreadknight is just hellknight but techsavy

[burnt moss]

Knives are tech?

[jaunty vapor]

There's no cap, it's just that the damage of tendrils are reduced against Super Heavies. In exchange, contact/splash damage does more to them to compensate

[slow sigil]

He also has a metal head and tubes all om his body, and the knives are tech too

[jaunty vapor]

Reminds me of those pictures of a knife with a scope on it

[burnt moss]

Oh ok haha. Tech savvy made me think his grandma called him for help on uploading pictures to Facebook or something

[burnt moss]

Ever seen the bombahawk?

[jaunty vapor]

I have not that sounds amazing

[slow sigil]

not that is just my headcanon Wretch

[burnt moss]

Are you telling me I’d be better off hitting the tyrant in the chest than letting tendrils damage him?

[jaunty vapor]

Ideally you'd fire from as far away AT the tyrant. He'll be stunned by the tendrils so you'll do both tendril damage AND impact damage.

But generally, yes, if you're going to BFG a single Baron or Tyrant, you want to at least make sure the splash damage will hit them, and if possible contact damage.

[grave quartz]

Bruh the game just froze and crashed

[azure oriole]

First battle mode game back I got a level 254 golden slayer and a level 5 Mancubus

I see nothing changed

[strange gale]

not sure what's up with bfg damage

sometimes a seemingly good launch with splash damage does 2000 or less, sometimes it does... this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504714848194527236/984566960320827392/bfj.mp4

getting results like this on 6.66 rev 2 and 1.1

[tame root]

it's bc you don't have the hugo martin scope

[sacred dirge]

Hahahahahah went into shock

[strange gale]

every time this happens, i see in the console that the game has apparently skipped several hundred frames of damage calculation...

as in, the first visible damage instance after firing occurs at 6000 or so health, i have no idea where the 4000 damage before that comes from

obviously it has to come from bfg, but it's not logged anywhere

[pure iris]

How do you dodge 2 mancubus in a small arena

Nvm i got em and the answer was killing everything before shit happens

[jaunty vapor]

@strange gale bowsr explained it to me once, but he's smart and I'm smol brain. It's something like the game calculates the damage and like... catches up to the damage it's supposed to do?

I dunno, it's fuckin' weird.

[tame root]

depends on how quick you can take their arms off and distance yourself, also u can stagger both types of mancubi with the ssg while meathooking to em for the finisher/blood punch for cyber mancs

[dry perch]

were they supposed to balance it xd

[tame root]

can't imagine the queue times would get any better with proper MM

[azure oriole]

whats funny is that i won despite being a rusty as hell marauder main

[dry perch]

ah i seeee

[strange gale]

sometimes a single bfg ball is enough to kill a tyrant which it shouldn't get anywhere close to under normal circumstances... game makes an incorrect guess for the damage there?

it sees the bfg tendril has been in contact with a target for several hundred frames but hasn't calculated any damage for those frames, and it doesn't know which frames it should've done damage on

like if it skips 200 frames, then panics and does 30 damage for all of those, then the ridiculously high damage makes sense

consistent manip?

[near osprey]

Tyrant sometimes suffers extra emotional damage due to losing it's "Cyberdemon" name.

[flint flame]

Golden slayer and level doesn’t mean much

[burnt moss]

Golden does

[flint flame]

No it doesn’t

It’s been said far too many times but people seem to not get it. Campaign skill =/= battlemode skill

Is it safe to assume a guy who’s beaten un is better than a guy who just installed the game? Yes. But against someone that’s actually played the mode, golden slayers just get folded

[burnt moss]

Fair. So it says something, just not necessarily that they’re the hardest opponent.

[dry perch]

ripe n taerrrrrr

[fiery sundial]

question anyone/ the reward "the holt" background for defeating Samur on nightmare, if you were to do that on ultra nightmare will it still count or no? just curious and i dont have an explanation on it.

[azure oriole]

Dunno never tried it

[azure oriole]

hi

higuys

[azure oriole]

hi

[sacred dirge]

Which is why I use default

[burnt moss]

Is the reward specifically for beating Samur or for beating the Holt?

[fiery sundial]

its just beat samur on nightmare mode

thats all the reward says

[still badge]

[mossy nova]

mars core best level

[burnt moss]

Are you actually doing UN or just asking?

[fiery sundial]

not currently

but whenever i do if it did count it would be easier getting everything at once so i was just curious on it

[flint flame]

Good luck beating un first try

[mossy nova]

i dont skip cutscenes even if i wanted to skip it

[signal spear]

Why you think so?

[burnt moss]

I think it might work but I also don’t think you’ll make it that far before beating it on NM

[mossy nova]

bfg + fun arenas and fights

[signal spear]

OK

[dusky gull]

yo does anyone know how i up my fov higher in doom eternal

[signal spear]

I have several levels and can't single out one as the best.

[mossy nova]

okay

[dusky gull]

nvm

[mossy nova]

g_fov command or fov scale

[dusky gull]

just figured it out thanks anyways

[ember void]

fov scale only goes up to 120. you can get up to 150 with console commands.

[mossy nova]

i used to use 180 but i like 120 more

[signal spear]

Levels have music like unreclaimed earth, immora, bfg 10.000 - those are best levels.

[ember void]

ehhhh immora's kinda mid ngl dawg.

[signal spear]

I play with min fov.

[ember void]

music is good tho

[signal spear]

Immora does Brrrrrr brrr brrrr

[mossy nova]

currently murdering people

[opal galleon]

[mossy nova]

in a game

[opal galleon]

🗿

[somber cloud]

Is general more active or eternal chat

[ember void]

I'd say it depends on the time of day, but they're both sorta active.

[somber cloud]

Yeah

[mossy nova]

i am very active

[somber cloud]

I am very bored

[signal spear]

I am very... skill issue.

[somber cloud]

Welcome to the club

I found a way to completely miss a bfg shot

[signal spear]

Hello club members!

[flint flame]

Unreclaimed earth? Like the modded level?

[vivid cliff]

extremely hot take: i dont like marauders

[jaunty vapor]

The hottest of takes. Nobody has ever stated they dislike Marauders here

[vivid cliff]

nah but i dont like them for a specific reason. i enjoy fighting them even though im bad at it

their AI just feels so random to me

[jaunty vapor]

I mean most people here think they're boring/unfun. It's not that they're hard, either, they're kind of easy now with how many 1 cycles there are. They're just boring to fight. Not to mention buggy as all hell.

But even at their best/least buggy they're boring enemies.

[vivid cliff]

im doing super gore nest and the dual marauder toxic is just so annoying

[somber cloud]

I never developed a method for marauders so I always die to them

[jaunty vapor]

Easiest way to deal with them is to save the Onslaught from the previous encounter and grab it so you can at least delete one of the Marauders for free.

[vivid cliff]

okay that is massive brain

[jaunty vapor]

The simplest way is to just do a simple SSG - Ballista swap, potentiall SSG - Ballista - SSG.

Alternately you can do PB - Ballista/SSG - PB, really anything that staggers -> swap for damage -> swap for more damage.

[vivid cliff]

i always ssg ballista combo them

but their AI is just so damn annoying. sometimes theyll run towards me then attack other times they just shield dash it feels inconsistent

[jaunty vapor]

That's cause it is

Everybody loves an enemy you can only be reactive to and not proactive at all. /s

[vivid cliff]

is there an easy way to 1cycle them?

The tutorial i found was ballista bolt, 2 nades, spam lock on burst

[jaunty vapor]

Eeeh not really an easy way

[lapis saddle]

I like the marauders most of the time. There are occasionally used for some really bullshit combinations though

[wide mesa]

The marauders are fucking shit

[jaunty vapor]

The easiest is probably

Arbalest -> 2 nades -> Lock On Burst

If you know how to do SLOBS, PB - Rocket - Slobs with frags after the PB shot works well too

Alternatively if you wanna be lazy and not deal with it, sticky bomb spam at their feet can work. Though for the double Marauders in SGN that's not super viable (closed space + poison floor)

[vivid cliff]

i think the worst thing about that 2 toxin fight is how large their hitbox and shield is

if you clip on them going for a toxic recharge youre done cuz they start to juggle you midair

[burnt moss]

You’re actually right that it shows where you’ve been. It gives rooms a red outline instead of grey. My mistake was going off a level I’d already all but cleared, so I couldn’t see any indication of where I’d been because everything was outlined in red.

[azure forum]

Yep, I think SLOBs is the most consistent way at least for console/controller

[vivid cliff]

i also really wish Marauders would allow for a melee combat fight

like crucible swinging against his axe something akin to chivalry or mordhau lol thatd be awesome

[jaunty vapor]

I wish CC in this game wasn't so damning.

[wide mesa]

Hello slayers

😎 😎 😳

[mossy nova]

hello fellow parma slayer

[sacred dirge]

I'd love that even if it followed some sort of quick time thing

[burnt moss]

CC?

Is the server down right now?

[jaunty vapor]

Crowd Control.

[burnt moss]

What does that mean in this context? Not being able to move in close quarters?

[signal spear]

Reclaimed earth*

My brain is dead now. I sleep 2 hours.

[jaunty vapor]

In context of my original message, when 1 Marauder hits you, then another Marauder hits you, it prevents your movement

Even if you dash AFTER the hit the game kinda fucks your ability to get away

when it's 2+ Marauders, this gets exacerbated

[signal spear]

I use sticky bombs and rocket splash. HC, SSG and Ballista on possessed marauders.

[jaunty vapor]

In fairness, Mobile Turret is best for possessed since it does the 1 cycle on them and very easily.

Though if it's a group + possessed I usually just stick with meathook jumps + sticky spam.

[signal spear]

Possessed marauders - pain. They stun mechanics is broken.

[mossy nova]

sticky bombs will help

[vivid cliff]

i do think it would be totally fair if a crucible charge temporarily disabled his shield

[vivid cliff]

also you LIED

there is no way to get onslaught to last that long i went as fast as i could

[burnt moss]

I just beat Cultist Slayer Gate NM without air control or hotswapper!

[signal spear]

Low damage + ammo + he use dash.

[vivid cliff]

damn

[mossy nova]

spam it then

[vivid cliff]

all i got left is UN cultist base mastery

then i get my sweet golden shotgun so i can flex

not cultist....gore nest

[mossy nova]

fun fact about me: i get the burning meat hook early because i need armor to survive in nightmare

on the same mission that i got the ssg

[burnt moss]

So, the hardest part?

[vivid cliff]

correct

ive been playin that level so much i have everything memorized lol

[burnt moss]

Me too! I farmed the blade and fodder tunnel for the mastery

[vivid cliff]

i hope one day to beat campaign UN but thats just so difficult. people have told me i should do TAG first

[jaunty vapor]

Did you ballista boost?

[signal spear]

I just play and complete UN campaign. Without armor abuse.

[jaunty vapor]

Cause ballista boosts/bunny hops could do it

[signal spear]

Bunny hops is cheat.

[vivid cliff]

[mossy nova]

what

[vivid cliff]

armor abuse?

[mossy nova]

i bunny hop every second i play doom eternal

[signal spear]

Like double rocket burst

[jaunty vapor]

https://youtu.be/BajE-dDZlqo?t=449

[mossy nova]

yes i use the meat hook and fire belch for armor so i can get maximum survival

[jaunty vapor]

Timestamp should have the guy using both the berserk + onslaught for the Marauders (i'll be honest i had 0 clue you could keep the Berserk, so that's probably better)

[mossy nova]

i tried that pb lock on rocket bomb belch on a marauder it stagger it

[signal spear]

Maximum survive - fly.

[vivid cliff]

how the hell do you keep berserk

[jaunty vapor]

I mean you can see him do it there

[mossy nova]

simple rampage like a rabbid dog on a kinder garden kill everything in the room without any hesitation

[jaunty vapor]

the trigger for the fight extends just a bit past the actual berserk pickup

so you walk up and trigger the fight without grabbing the berserk, then just do the arena with dblade or whatever else (dblades just easiest)

[vivid cliff]

aaahhhhh

[jaunty vapor]

But yeah, ballista boost into the pickup and bunny hop through the hallways to keep the stuff.

[mossy nova]

destroyer blade is cool

[vivid cliff]

im not good enough at ballista boosting to even try that

[burnt moss]

TAG made me a much better player.

[wanton imp]

The first dlc is really good for difficulty

[mossy nova]

i recommend going on exultia with infinite ammo and sentinel armorthen practice the balista boosting

[wanton imp]

Second focuses more on the story aspect, tho isn’t any less good, it’s still bloody fantastic

[mossy nova]

i do balista boosting with air control

[vivid cliff]

yeah i like to think im pretty good but i know that the skill cap is insane

[wanton imp]

It is, plus with the fast paced gameplay that Eternal comes with, getting air control is a very nice thing, I also recommend Chrono Strike if you need time to get out of a nasty situation, since it allows you to slow down time while in the air for a limited period

[mossy nova]

i use the weapon wheel to slow down time

[wanton imp]

That too

Saving throw is also very nice to have

[mossy nova]

i dont use saving throw anymore

my old rune setup was blood fueld saving throw punch and reave

but i change it to air control equipment fiend dazed and confused

[wanton imp]

Mine right now is: Saving Throw, Dazed and Confused and Chrono Strike with the support rune being Take Back

In the first dlc

[mossy nova]

my support rune is break blast

[wanton imp]

I might give that one a shot right now

[mossy nova]

for fodder control around the heavy demon

[wanton imp]

What is all your guys favourite Doom Game of all time

Mine Eternal because it’s the only one I’ve ever played, but I don’t think that it will change even if I play the others

[flint flame]

Lol

[ivory ore]

Bruh what kind of answer is that lmaoo

[jaunty vapor]

2016 is still my favorite, even if I speedrun DE and play it more. The general gameplay is superior to 2016's, but 2016's gameplay is still great, and the atmosphere/writing is very good.

[signal spear]

You didn't play in saleem ML and unreclaimed earth...

[jaunty vapor]

Not exactly the writing, but the general direction of the game is better.

[signal spear]

After it you can say - I complete doom.

[burnt moss]

As a console player, I have no such obligation haha

Fast travel sucks

[signal spear]

I see you mazohist.

I like it.

[ivory ore]

What kind of logic is that, “unless you did some dude’s fan made levels you can’t say you did the game”

[burnt moss]

How do I get to the secret encounter by the SSG?

[burnt moss]

What’s that word?

[signal spear]

Coz you need very high skill for beat it

[ivory ore]

After you complete the pit, youll eventually get a sentinel crystal. From there, all the surrounding gates should be open

[ivory ore]

There’s a big difference between completing doom and bothering to do fanmade content

If not doing fanmade stuff was “required” to beat the game then nobody here beat doom, plain and simple

[signal spear]

I thought it was love to hurt yourself. Sorry, if this word don't exist.

[jaunty vapor]

Masochist

[signal spear]

Ty

[burnt moss]

I meant using fast travel. I’m mad at fast travel right now

[strange gale]

you could keep adding to this. stop using air control. stop using equipment launcher. stop using weapon mods. you don't get to decide what "completing" doom means.

[azure forum]

Don't give reasons to Mkain to come promote his nonsense cult

[signal spear]

Stop using jump

[ivory ore]

Fuckin uhhhhh just scroll the list until you see what looks like the pit then idk

[signal spear]

Use only shotgun.

[ivory ore]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-smirk-gif-18775562

[burnt moss]

Of course that’s what I’m already doing silly haha. I do put in effort before complaining

[burnt moss]

Which cult?

[signal spear]

Btw I didn't use bfg and shield

[azure forum]

You don't need to know... 🤣

[burnt moss]

POINT BEING you shouldn’t gatekeep. The game is meant for selfish pleasure, not for public recognition of a specific achievement.

[azure oriole]

hi

[signal spear]

Without hammer I can't, coz my aim is bad. Hate blood maykr.

[burnt moss]

Will Oprah be there?

[ivory ore]

Imagine needing guns to kill the blood maykr

[strange gale]

you haven't completed doom until you can beat everything with TAS accuracy and without anything this guy arbitrarily defines as "cheating". claims bhops are cheating but uses hammer, what a bot

[azure oriole]

I need help with doom hunter base yk the one with the big arena

[ivory ore]

The big outside arena after the whiplas?

[burnt moss]

How can we help?

[azure forum]

🤣 he promotes a gunless play cult. He deserves to be sent to the shadow realm for that

[azure oriole]

Tips ig

[signal spear]

Yes I am

[burnt moss]

Sorry I can’t remember the arena

[azure forum]

Darkor...

[ivory ore]

Hope you got heatblast beforehand bc that’ll make destroying weak points a million times easier

[signal spear]

Coz I'm lowskill

[burnt moss]

A bot would have spelled masochist correctly haha

[ivory ore]

Mazzy chist

[signal spear]

Btw, I didn't beat 2016 doom UN

[burnt moss]

He did what in his cup?

[signal spear]

[burnt moss]

I didn’t even beat it on NM but I still decided I was done

[ivory ore]

Considering a single shot of a weapon (excluding bfg) cant destroy the icon/khan, any accidental misfires could be excused right

[jaunty vapor]

That's not true, single shot of killai can do it

[ivory ore]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-disintergrating-meme-emoji-disintegrating-meme-gif-21239978

[burnt moss]

Including BFG actually

[azure oriole]

?

[azure forum]

Hi

[ember void]

?

[azure oriole]

hi

[opal galleon]

❔

[ember void]

bye

[azure forum]

Hi

[mossy nova]

hi

[burnt moss]

Is Fast travel really not gonna let me get this secret encounter?

Nvm I finally found it after like a half hour

[signal spear]

[mossy nova]

does a transformed maykr keep their sain mind ?

[wanton imp]

I actually don’t know

Hang on, I’m gonna look that up

It seems like the makyrs are like a bee hive

[mossy nova]

ik

[wanton imp]

Each has their own mind

[mossy nova]

hive mind

[wanton imp]

They can think for themselves and have their own identity

[mossy nova]

yea but if they die they become with the hive mind

[wanton imp]

Was it the drones? Or the blood makyrs you were wondering about

[mossy nova]

no the khan maykrs

there are many khan maykrs

[wanton imp]

OH

There is only ever one at a time

[mossy nova]

before the current ded khan maykr that doom guy killed

[burnt moss]

If a whiplash only has 2000 health why does it always take more than 2 SSG?

[mossy nova]

a khan maykr can live for 10,000 Earth-years

[mossy nova]

because the ssg is powerful enough to 2 shot the whiplash

[burnt moss]

…you answered the opposite of my question

[wanton imp]

When the Doom Slayer killed the current khan makyr, I believe that he killed her for good, there won’t be another Khan Makyr

[mossy nova]

oh okay

[wanton imp]

He killed her and stopped the cycle for good

[mossy nova]

ik

[wanton imp]

The Khan makes the orders, and cannot be controlled by anyone besides the father

[ember void]

I'd guess it's because the whiplash is skinny, hitbox wise, and she's fast.

I dunno though.

[mossy nova]

well the fathers soul sphere was broken by doom guy

but the father still exist as a presence

he can only talk to people or something idk

[ivory ore]

False, she was ordered by Vega and tricked by Davoth (both who use the nickname Father so I’m not gonna refer to them as such)

[wanton imp]

Ah ok

[burnt moss]

Didn’t Vega overthrow Davroth though?

[mossy nova]

no the khan maykr was manipulated by davoth idk correct me

[wanton imp]

Vega is the Father tho, didn’t TAG confirm that?

[mossy nova]

to building the divinity machine

[ivory ore]

Tricked = manipulated

[mossy nova]

and samur was also manipulated by davoth

[mossy nova]

im dumb

[ivory ore]

Vega took the nickname of “the Father” from davoth. However, despite revealing that, we never got the original name for Vega, hence just calling him Vega

[ivory ore]

Yes

[azure oriole]

um...excuse me, why don't you take this to #eternal-lore

[ember void]

yeah guys

[ivory ore]

Deleted channel moment

[wanton imp]

Sure

[azure oriole]

it got deleted?

[ivory ore]

I’m thankful it was deleted bc god knows how much cursed stuff was erased

[mossy nova]

davoth is a broken hero

he wanted the best for his people

[burnt moss]

Vega usurped Davoth, and then created Urdak? So much of lore turned out to be a lie that I’m confused

[ivory ore]

Devs can’t explain it fully either

[mossy nova]

now davoth is ded he cant protect his city now

and the remaining people of immora

are gonna die because of the demons

[wanton imp]

There is a lot of different things about the father that is confusing

[ember void]

i think the father

[ancient plaza]

Wait for next dooom game ig

[wanton imp]

We atleast know that Vega is or at least was the father at some point

[mossy nova]

wait the father + vega is vether

[ancient plaza]

I thought he was always the father?

[ancient plaza]

Take ur time vader

[wanton imp]

He is and isn’t, Vegas true identity is the father, TAG confirms this, however the Dark Lord reveals that the Father/Vega didn’t create the universe and Vega confirmed this

[ancient plaza]

Huh

Dark lord created father?

[mossy nova]

davoth is the creator of the universe even multiverse

the father is davoths son kinda depends

[burnt moss]

Vega is Stepfather

[ancient plaza]

But he named him “father”? 💀

[mossy nova]

father is davoths original name

[burnt moss]

No Vega stole the title

[wanton imp]

The Dark Lord also reveals that he created the makyr race, and the father was one of those makyrs, however the father betrayed Davoth over fear that he would become a threat to all life

[mossy nova]

the maykrs banished davoth

[burnt moss]

You know what you don’t miss til it’s gone? Loot Magnet

[ancient plaza]

Ohh I see

[wanton imp]

That Maykr defeated the dark lord and became the Father, who then became what we know as Vega

[ancient plaza]

Dang, his own creation banishing him 😢

[mossy nova]

yea

[ancient plaza]

Ooooh

[wanton imp]

It’s messed up, but he was in the right as Davoth did prove to almost end everything until the Slayer showed up and killed him

[wanton imp]

It is easy to get lost into, I had to reread the information 3 times just to make sure that what I was reading was correct

[mossy nova]

In ritual dombat

Combat*

[burnt moss]

What did Davoth almost end?

[ancient plaza]

Yea bro 🤣 they made the Doom lore a bit confusing

[ancient plaza]

So vega did that combat just like doom slayer does in TAG2 ?

[wanton imp]

Yep

I think so

[ancient plaza]

Ooooooooooh

[mossy nova]

Maybe at that time jakkad/hell it never existed

Hell is the first dimension connected to all other dimensions

[ancient plaza]

That makes sense now

I feel we gon fight vega in next doom game

[wanton imp]

It’s entirely possible

[mossy nova]

At that time davoth was so powerfull that vega/vether (i like to call vega vether) needed to stop davoth
Maybe jakkad was alr hell when davoth became so powerfull and corrupted he defeated davoth in ritual combat

[ancient plaza]

But he helped me so much

[burnt moss]

Did you beat it?

[ancient plaza]

Who is jakkad?!

[mossy nova]

We cant fight the father/vega because his just a presence a voice

[ancient plaza]

Kepp moving

[mossy nova]

Jakkad is the first dimension also known as hell

[wanton imp]

Jakkod was the first thing Davoth created

[burnt moss]

In a way we fought him in TAG1

[ancient plaza]

Ooh so a fancy name for hell

[ancient plaza]

So he randomly came into doom guys praetor suit in 2016?

[mossy nova]

We cant tho because doom guy destroyed his life sphere meaning he cant be revived like davoth

[wanton imp]

Plus it’s sad that his own creations ended up betraying and killing him lol

[ancient plaza]

Fr bruh thats worse than a breakup

[mossy nova]

No he was vega in doom 2016 samur brought the father with him on earth by rebirth or something else idk

[wanton imp]

Vega is stuck as an AI forever, since there is no life sphere to give him physical form

Both were destroyed

[ancient plaza]

Ooh

[mossy nova]

Yes but vega is just a voice a presence

[ancient plaza]

Thats oof

[ancient plaza]

So only doom slayer can hear him?

[mossy nova]

Depends

[ancient plaza]

Wait no

[mossy nova]

Davoth can talk to anyone while he was a presence

Like samur khan maykr

[burnt moss]

I mean we watched the contents of his sphere go into Samur

[ancient plaza]

I rember the bald dude was talking about how doom guy left vega on his last mission

[azure oriole]

Nope gonna try tmr tho

[mossy nova]

Samur wasnt strong enough to absorb the power of the father

[ancient plaza]

You can do it 👍

[mossy nova]

I forgot also vega/father can teleport samur

[wanton imp]

That’s why he went crazy and was so disfigured

[burnt moss]

I just ask cuz I’m playing it now. The first arena right?

[mossy nova]

No it was a curse of the maykrs

The transfiguration thats why the father was needed

[ancient plaza]

He tried to take his power? Was that why he looked goofy after the UAC atlantica mission?

[azure oriole]

Pretty sure ye

The one where u gotta do a bit of wall climbing to get to

[mossy nova]

Normal look for the maykrs

[mossy nova]

The bald dude is called intern guy

[ancient plaza]

Oh ok, so samuel was always a makyr since 2016?

[burnt moss]

Is that written?

[ancient plaza]

Yea I had a brain fart 💀

[mossy nova]

Yes

[wanton imp]

Yep, Samuel Hayden was just an alias

[mossy nova]

You do now you need a strong body and also will but im not sure to absorb a power of a god

[ancient plaza]

Dang I thought he was a human who had cancer and they put him in a cyborg body for that or somethin

[mossy nova]

Samur rebirth himself to help humanity

[burnt moss]

Is it just me or does LOB have a long cooldown before you can swap?

[mossy nova]

Whats LOB ?

[mossy nova]

And broke the rule of the maykrs to step foot in hell and find the holy warrior that he created

[burnt moss]

Lock On Burst (rocket mod)

[mossy nova]

Ohh okay

[ancient plaza]

Doom 2016 combat shotgun > eternal combat shotgun

[mossy nova]

Maykrs cant step foot in hell

[wanton imp]

Yeah, hell and urdak were never meant to intermingle, I can’t remember what would happen but something bad would happen

[mossy nova]

Demonic corruption

[wanton imp]

That’s it

[ancient plaza]

Isnt that the holt?

[wanton imp]

The Holt is a location inside Urdak

[mossy nova]

The holt is the most guarded place in urdak ?

[wanton imp]

Urdak is an entire realm

[mossy nova]

Thats what i heard

[mossy nova]

Well realms have places

[ancient plaza]

I thought the holt was happend cause demons started taking over of somethin

[wanton imp]

The Holt was a location that got corrupted inside Urdak

[mossy nova]

Just 2 days before bethesda showcase

[ancient plaza]

Oooh ok ok

[ancient plaza]

Wait really?!

[mossy nova]

Yes

[ancient plaza]

It will be streamed on youtube ima assuming

[mossy nova]

But i hope it will be early because time zone is different in my country

[burnt moss]

Someone tell me if they announce Goldeneye

[ancient plaza]

Where u live?

[mossy nova]

Philipines

[ancient plaza]

I in india for vacation

Hopin its early

[wanton imp]

It’s on June 12 at 10am pacific time

[mossy nova]

Is 1 pm night or day i forgot

[wanton imp]

Pm is day

[mossy nova]

Okay thx

[wanton imp]

No problem

[ancient plaza]

Wait

Am is day pm is night

[lapis saddle]

Am is before noon. Pm is after

[ancient plaza]

Ye ye

[lapis saddle]

So 10 am is late morning and 1 pm is early afternoon

[mossy nova]

I wake up early