doom-eternal

[ember void]

[distant basin]

Hi I need some help, I did the doom eternal transfer from bethesda to steam. And transferred the zipped save files to the steam cloud. And everything looks good. But when I start the game, the save slots are empty.

[quartz charm]

BEN!!!1!1!1!1!‼️

[quartz charm]

Idk how to help man go to community support or something

[gloomy knot]

we have a russian channel lmao

[knotty herald]

no longer

[tame root]

average icon of sin podium enjoyer

[azure oriole]

Doom 2 multiplayer

[burnt moss]

Yes. Even Hell on Earth

It might be the hardest!

That final encounter is too much. Mostly too many Archies. It’s ridiculous. Even with skill, it’s boring to have to take out so many Archies.

[glacial valley]

Осуждаю.

[azure oriole]

can someone give me a tip to sound like the father on Audacity

[sacred dirge]

That is a good one!

[timid relic]

Did they reset your lvl in doom eternal?

I’m lvl 1

[flint flame]

Not intentionally no

[full anvil]

250 resets to 1

It's a prestige system

[flint flame]

You’ve probably had your profile.bin corrupted, which causes your profile to reset, your demons and slayer skins get reset to the default, and your config settings get reset

It’s a common issue on pc

[strange gale]

tfw the latest installment in an originally pc-focused series no longer works on any platform

[full anvil]

😭

what.

[flint flame]

[timid relic]

I still have everything, but my lvl got down to 1

[full anvil]

Do you have a star

[timid relic]

My keybinds got reseted as well

[full anvil]

Oh

[flint flame]

Yeah you’ll still have the skins

Your skins and saves will be okay, but your level is 0

[timid relic]

Oh

[full anvil]

Oh

[flint flame]

I’ve had that happen to me five times in the last two years

[full anvil]

Damn

[timid relic]

I’ve been having blue screens. I think is because of the new nvidia driver

[flint flame]

It’s not really a driver issue, it’s just the game just kinda derps

[full anvil]

Ohhh you have a Nvidia 3090 Ti 😱

[timid relic]

My pc started to crash all the time since I downloaded the new driver

[flint flame]

Driver, not card

[full anvil]

Yeah.

[timid relic]

Have you Guys had any problems with nvidia 512.95 driver?

[full anvil]

Wow

[frank belfry]

pretty accurate

[sacred dirge]

[burnt moss]

Got warned 😦

[slow sigil]

massive L

[ivory ore]

Welcome to the club

[random vault]

i got warned once, idk what the uell i did tho

[opal galleon]

Getting a warn is like so cool!

[ember void]

You aint a real doom server member if you haven't got a warn

[opal galleon]

So true

[random vault]

i wasnt real until may 26th 2022

[sacred dirge]

I haven't and I've been here for years

[dim solar]

I got warned for making fun of Dean Takahashit

[azure oriole]

I never get warned cause I'm a good noodle 😊

[azure oriole]

I don't think I've ever gotten a warn?

[brittle quest]

Me too

[opal galleon]

Well yeah you're M0nologue

[jaunty vapor]

If VEGA wanna count, I've probably only gotten warned for certain shorthands (mostly Hell on Earth and Stone Imp)

[strong ibex]

Lmao imagine getting warned

[dry perch]

nooob

[spare marsh]

We really do wish we didn't need the strict word filter here, but unfortunately unsavory people push it to happen

[dry perch]

heck on earth

[spare marsh]

Hell isn't filtered

Neither is fuck or shit

[dry perch]

ik

[magic summit]

Eh

[slow sigil]

ngl i prefer stimp for stone imps over without t anyways

[magic summit]

[spare marsh]

[patent stream]

I would be careful when bypassing

Careful as in dont do it 👀

[dim solar]

wait what? really?

alright I guess

[spare marsh]

Little bit over there bob, definitely was in jest

[strong ibex]

You know one mod is frightening enough but two is a heart attack

[ruby solar]

Fellow Slayers. I'm doing an extra life mode run. Remote Detonate or Lock-On Burst?

[valid wren]

whatever you think youre better at

[slow sigil]

LOB is stronger ig

[ruby solar]

I would do Lock-On Burst, but i feel like Remote Detonate would be useful for clearing out hordes of demons.

like i said, i'm doing extra life mode

[slow sigil]

rem det's damage is meh, not really that great since it's less then regular rocket splash damage for some reason

[ruby solar]

hm. well im gonna come across tons of modbots, so im gonna do remote detonate

[sacred dirge]

I'd go with remote detonation

[valid wren]

if you ask me id take lock on burst, archviles are a joke with it

[ruby solar]

There's a praetor suit point behind a wall of bars in cultist base, right after the group of Shield Soldiers. how do i get it?

[valid wren]

uhh left side

[ruby solar]

oh wait

i found it, thanks.

[tame root]

honestly a lot of things can make archie a joke rocket is one of the weapons I actually prefer to modswap on anyway

[valid wren]

There should be a place where you can break-

ah alright

[ruby solar]

Ballista and Rocket Launcher is the best combo for me when dealing with Archviles.

[valid wren]

Its easier to just freeze it and lock on bust two times

[tame root]

in particular on mars core ML you can just charge up a dblade with a nade or icebomb then run up and shield bash a little and it pretty much melts

[ruby solar]

oh yeah. Ice Bomb is part of the combo. that way he can't teleport. I sometimes use icebomb, then Ballista/RL, then Microwave Beam to prevent him from running, and finish him off.

[tame root]

and that usually gets the carcasses in the back

[ruby solar]

Bruh, I swear someone had a fetish for Carcasses while designing the Master Levels

[strange gale]

no shield in the next game

[patent stream]

Just use destroyer blade

[ruby solar]

No Shielded soldiers? Awesome!

[tame root]

they nut when hearing martin hugo monologuing about carcass shields making you think more

[patent stream]

Level 1 charge goes through their shield and kills carcass

And takes a second if not less to charge to lvl 1

[tame root]

which usually translates to jump and angle your shots down or some shit or not being braindead and +forward meathooking to everything

[strange gale]

nah, talking about chaingun shield. lame as fuck & it creates so many bad habits

[slow sigil]

Rl bal normally 🤢
Rl bal with BATswaps

[ruby solar]

CGS is awesome, i don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[valid wren]

It is

[tame root]

its true, im not gonna grandstand over anyone for using it though

[lapis saddle]

Eternal did chaingunners dirty. A legendary artillery bully reduced to a mildly annoying chump

[ruby solar]

I regret choosing Mobile Turret before Energy Shield on my first playthrough.

[lapis saddle]

Oh wait you mean the weapon mod

[ruby solar]

yeah, we're talking about the mod.

[tame root]

imagine an online meeting between game devs and one guy's screen has a whiteboard with plutonia crossed out

[slow sigil]

It's stupidly OP, an enormous reduction in it's power is the least it should get

[ruby solar]

at least it's not endless. that would make it even more op

[tame root]

not hard to set up a safe shield considering you have nades or shield bash

[ruby solar]

exactly

[slow sigil]

Yeah and luckily enough lock on burst doesnt just give you the credits the moment you use

[slow sigil]

Wtf do you mean safe shield, shield is always safe

[strange gale]

nah, you can still get cc'd even with it up

[ruby solar]

At least it's not as bad as Full Auto

[tame root]

sorry let me game journo babble for you, using it as the devs intended

[strange gale]

getting rightfully cc'd into oblivion because you decided to +forward mhook into an arch? just pull out shield, then mash bp! better yet, shield raze!

every time i watch gameplay with eshield in it, it's the same "hurr durr i mash dash into every enemy" bullshit

[slow sigil]

I really dont get why they gave the best (and kinda only) defensive tool also a fine af offensive tool

[strange gale]

best source of single target damage in the entire game https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929873339583971399/949673300907425822/jesust3.mp4

[ruby solar]

I don't normally Dash into enemies with it. I know it's useful, but I don't overuse it. I only use the shield when I need time to get to a health or armor pickup. the Shield Launch is also very useful, especially against some super heavies. Mobile Turret is good, but it absorbs ammo quickly, and unless you've mastered it, you can't use it for an extended period of time.

[slow sigil]

Mobile turret isnt good though, just straight up is not

[ruby solar]

It's not great. It's useful against Tyrants and Barons, but that's pretty much it.

[slow sigil]

It's not usefull agains those

[opal galleon]

slob

[ruby solar]

it shreds barons, at least.

[slow sigil]

It literally has the incredibly tiny niche against possesed marauders because of how glitchy the AI reacts to it

[slow sigil]

It does not, and i think just reguraly bashing into them with shield does more dps even

It's dps is quite low compared to the basic swaps

[ruby solar]

As I said, I don't spam dash with shield, I like to keep my distance whenever I can, and engage in close combat whenever I absolutely have to.

[slow sigil]

Even in that case it does clearly less dps then other options

[ruby solar]

Agreed. I'd rather use Full Auto than Mobile Turret.

[slow sigil]

I'm just pointing out that even at it's only job it's not that great compared to the "defensive" option even

[slow sigil]

Fall auto is even worse but that's another gun anyways

FA has the niche of like, horde mode and that was kinda it?

[ruby solar]

Stone imps. but yeah.

Horde Mode and Stone imps are literally its only proper uses.

[slow sigil]

Nah you can deal with stimps fine using hammer and dblade

Switching away from stickies and back is a waste of time

[ruby solar]

this is true. still think they should rework Full Auto.

[strong ibex]

Fuck game mechanics I'm just gonna blast stimps like any other demon

[slow sigil]

Yeah, make it like a 3shoot burst so it actually fits with the weapon swatching

[ruby solar]

Yeah no. That was a thing already.

Charged Burst, i think was the name

[slow sigil]

So was micromissiles, lock on burst, heatblast, and probably another one i dont remember

Difference is triple shot actually fits in a game where swapping is a tad more encouraged overall

[ruby solar]

everything other than Lock on Burst was upgraded.

Lock on Burst and Remote Detonate are still the same.

[slow sigil]

You can upgrade triple shot aswell then?

[ruby solar]

Yeah.

But Full Auto was basically an "upgrade" for Charged Burst, while being a downgrade at the same time.

[slow sigil]

Yeah, but it fits less well in a system that swaps

[strange gale]

if we look at LOB from a purely cosmetic perspective then yeah i guess

[ruby solar]

I'm not trying to say I disagree.

[ruby solar]

How would it be from other perspectives? Because i haven't actually played 2016. I just know all of the mods except for the Rocket Launcher were upgraded in eternal.

[slow sigil]

Did heatblast even get really "upgraded"

[opal galleon]

It was actually made worse I think lmao

[ruby solar]

It doesn't need to be fully charged. It has 3 phases.

like DBlade

Idk honestly, I don't pay attention to how unbalanced or balanced weapon mods are. I just play the game.

[sacred dirge]

How dare you

[slow sigil]

Yeah but didnt it autocharge in 2016? That alone makes it wayyy better lol

[sacred dirge]

Stun was always better anyways

[ruby solar]

No. you gotta build up heat by firing the plasma rifle.

[opal galleon]

I'm pretty sure it auto-charged

[sacred dirge]

It did

[ruby solar]

well i wouldn't know. like i said, i haven't played 2016

[sacred dirge]

Only when mastered

Otherwise you had to use it to build heat

[slow sigil]

You can put your bethesda version on steam now

[azure forum]

How can people still think FA is good? It is painful to see people using FA on heavies to kill them when it takes forever just for some shells

[slow sigil]

Just like with peeps against nuclear power, misinformation propaganda but then for games

[rich plume]

Guys, about the Cosmectics for Doom Eternal, (in #announcements) People who have Gamepass Ultimate on Xbox can take the Loot?

[burnt moss]

I’ve recently re-discovered it. I started a new TAG run and turret was selected. I noticed it slows down heavies like DreadKnight while it shreds them. That’s what I hate about quickswapping; I’m demolishing their health with ballista and SSG but they don’t seem to care much.

[slow sigil]

Yeah cause of how damage falters normally work, can't do them too often so do too much damage and it looks like they dont do much

[azure forum]

Mobile turret just like MM, is great if quick swapping isn't your thing. However, you still don't output the same damage as you do qith Quickswapping and quick damage and fast killing is usually highly needed in Nightmare and UN

[burnt moss]

When a DreadKnight is charging at me I usually have time for 2 shots before I have to run. Where turret slows him down while doing significant damage, it’s much more comfortable. It just pisses me off that he can take 1600+800 damage in stride and still start throwing me around like it’s nothing.

[azure forum]

Just use lock on. A single lock on puts him in GK state - unless you're talkifn about battlemode and even then 3SSG shots put him down

[slow sigil]

I mean, you don't have to turn away and stop shooting while running away

[azure forum]

Exactly. Close range: SSG Ballista

Long range: Ballista PB

[slow sigil]

Pb ssg for close, pb rl for medium, and pb bal for long ranges untill you closed the gap

[flint flame]

Yes

[azure forum]

Right. I prefer PB combos as well just because PB is faster and better on ammo efficiency

[burnt moss]

Lockon works sometimes. I have major angst against hit boxes, targeting, and the time it takes. By the time it’s locked he’s in my face and physically stopping me from aiming

[slow sigil]

And less boring

[azure forum]

As you are swapping to lock on, Hold the mod button and it will lock faster

[slow sigil]

Hold s+dash

[azure forum]

I like remote det because of the faltering, but lock on is just so damn good

[burnt moss]

The problem is that, except in very open arenas, I have I short time to lock on after he appears before he’s on me.

[burnt moss]

I assume s=mod?

[slow sigil]

S is just walking backwards on pc lol

[rich plume]

can you go on my dm to send the link? i dont know How i do it

[burnt moss]

I die a lot trying to run backwards. Even fodder straight up stop my progress and then I’m surrounded

[opal galleon]

jump and move

[tame root]

Getting bodyblocked sucks, I dunno if you're using your entire toolset though

[slow sigil]

Double jump so you're over them

[slow sigil]

Better to use half cause we all know some weaponmods are worth jackshit

[burnt moss]

Even moving forward it’s a crapshoot whether I’m allowed over them haha

[tame root]

the meta toolset 🙄

but simple things like using frag flamebelch and all that, or a headshot shockwave, etc, i'm usually just getting fat off flame belch

[burnt moss]

Look all I’m saying is DPS takes a back seat to freedom of movement when a DreadKnight or even a Pain Elemental (with all its stupid decoys) appears.

[flint flame]

Never mind, the loot is gone. The announcement was from 3 months ago so rip

[rich plume]

okay

[slow sigil]

Yeah true, got the same thing but generally my mapknowledge isnt that bad enough that i hugely struggle a lot

[burnt moss]

It’s not an issue of map knowledge. I’d just rather kill the heavy immediately without taking the fight to a second location, and I can do that by slowing his advance/impairing his ability to attack. Turret does that but the favorites don’t.

[slow sigil]

But... it is. If you know the map you know where to go back to without looking while killing an enemy
I did however forgot to mention enemy awareness ig so sorry bout that

[burnt moss]

Enemy awareness I’ll accept. But comparing this as always to Goldeneye, the game “cheats” by spawning enemies rather than making them enter your area of engagement, making enemy awareness a joke.

[sacred dirge]

It's fun and shooty shooty

[slow sigil]

Enemy spawning is uhm, quite loud and bright though

[burnt moss]

Although now I say that, goldeneye is cheap that way. But at least they spawn in another room

[slow sigil]

And i also dont think goldeneye has actual spawning animations too

[burnt moss]

Given the scenario we’ve been discussing, with a DK charging me at speed and me running backwards, new spawns would not be visible as my screen is full of DreadKnight. Anything from a fodder to a DoomHunter could spawn behind me and I wouldn’t know.

[slow sigil]

Hmm usually when something big spawns it'll be after a dk but yeah ok. Then it's handier to dodge the dk in the specific part of the arena i guess

[burnt moss]

Pattern memorization isn’t something I want to be tested on by the game. At any time any demon could appear anywhere. Especially a stupid fodder that halts my retreat.

This is why I turn and run rather than running backwards, when I can help it

[slow sigil]

If you're walking and jumping around in 1 section usually you will see everything anyways in total

Ofc sometimes you gotta turn around but i read it as if it happens a ton, which i don't really remember

[burnt moss]

Almost every time I see a DreadKnight, I lack the time to stagger him before he reaches me, is the point. If we’re on terrain and the hit box doesn’t line up, I can’t LOB. Because he’s a moving target I won’t necessarily hit him with my SSG/Bal before he reaches me and disrupts my aim.

Why is it that, in supporting the Mobile Turret, I’ve subjected my skill level to scrutiny? The mod isn’t garbage, just because you don’t prefer it.

[slow sigil]

But the mod literally is garbage

[opal galleon]

mt ttk kinda dookie doe

[slow sigil]

Dps subpar, extra faltering is meh considering how much falters and how movement neuters attacks too by dodging

[sacred dirge]

I think when they say this is garbage they don't mean it isnt fun but less efficient and not meta

[slow sigil]

Sure, it works for you but that's not because MT is good

[slow sigil]

And this, fun is subjective, power is not

[burnt moss]

I’m not talking about fun. I’m talking about aiding my success more effectively. DreadKnights and Pain Elementals are more manageable for me with Turret than with quickswap.

[slow sigil]

Tbf you do use ssg bal which is ehh not too bad ig, but pb swaps just melt

[frank ridge]

pb ballista

[burnt moss]

I don’t feel like PB Bal is fast. And PB Rl has the risk of missing because the target can move out of the way. Turret all but fixes the target, allows me to stay put or advance, and stops the enemy from attacking.

Also, when comparing the two methods, not being a crack shot with your combo is extremely costly. But allowing the reticle to wander only loses you a fraction of the damage with the Turret

[neon zodiac]

Where's the doc with all the damage values

[frank ridge]

pb combos are statistically fast, and the point is that you can readjust your aim if you miss + it's hitscan

[neon zodiac]

Ik its been posted a few times before

[burnt moss]

Pinned

[neon zodiac]

But yeah, Ballista, PB, Meathook in for SSG should stagger the Dread knight reliably

[slow sigil]

Pb bal isnt too fast but for far away targets it's ok before you move in
You shouldnt shoot at ranges where the target can dodge more then 10% of your shots by moving unexpectedly and i think even if you miss like 15/20% it still does more dps then most stuff
Pb ssg is very fun close range with certain demons and even more bonkers dps
And we havent even talked about mixing in punchswaps with BP inbetween

[burnt moss]

My point is if you miss with Ballista, you just missed doing 800 damage. This happens to me when I hold the fire button after firing another weapon and attempting to aim at a moving target, because if I slip a little I miss completely.

[slow sigil]

You can miss with ssg bal too

[frank ridge]

don't miss then

[burnt moss]

Don’t miss my point, spoony.

[frank ridge]

how bad are you at aiming

[neon zodiac]

I love PB ballista sniping, PB Ballista PB sets up cacos and whiplashes for GK

[slow sigil]

controller

[neon zodiac]

While only taking 12 bullet and 25 cell ammo

[sacred dirge]

I use controller my aim is perfection

[frank ridge]

AHAHAAHAHA

divine comedy! 😆 😂🤣

[burnt moss]

Probability vs Severity. Probability = Accuracy rate. Severity is what I’m talking about. It is worse to miss in a combo than using MT.

[neon zodiac]

I genuinely cannot use controller

[sacred dirge]

I can't use kbm. Literally. My hands have huge pain issues gaming with kbm

[neon zodiac]

Less for aiming, more for lack of buttons
The aiming is bad, but I can get used to it, the lack of buttons for hotswapping just sucks

[burnt moss]

I’m also a casual player, a non-gamer whose previous FPS experience you should be able to easily guess.

[sacred dirge]

Are you using aim asset

[burnt moss]

Yeah

[frank ridge]

just try shooting them again to increase the chances of hitting

[slow sigil]

The psychological pressure to not miss because your shots are more important shall keep you in line

[sacred dirge]

If you are I'd suggest turning it off. Practicing without it. It'll increase your aim ability

[slow sigil]

Also aim in eternal isnt like rainbow six siege, enemies are huge

[burnt moss]

Now you’re getting it. Turret has a higher firing rate so missing and trying a gain is much easier than with a high-damage weapon

[sacred dirge]

The hit boxes are very forgiving

[manic spade]

i know how to play doom eternal for free without downloading a cracked version

so steam games can be refundable if you havent played for more than 2 hours

[burnt moss]

Haha the pressure makes my hands shake which messes up the gyro aiming

[manic spade]

so you just speedrun the whole campaign in less than 2 hours and you refund the game as soon as done campaign

[sacred dirge]

Honestly when you get into the rhythm the aim just comes naturally. You won't even think twice about where your shots are going

[burnt moss]

I’m currently working on aim. I tried turning off aim assist and there was no perceptible difference.

[frank ridge]

maybe you should think about distancing yourself to allow yourself to take time to aim with the ballista

[sacred dirge]

It really depends on what you have it set on to begin with

[slow sigil]

Ngl every time there is a aim convo i remember that one time i perfectly flicked a prowler with ballista that teleported on the edge of my screen

[burnt moss]

Have you not been paying attention? The whole problem here is that the DreadKnight closes the distance quickly and I like slowing him down with the turret instead of putting so much pressure on quickswap and aim.

[frank ridge]

dreadknights are fast?

[sacred dirge]

That's hot

[burnt moss]

If you can’t provide details, I won’t consider changing anything. Everyone says turn it off but nobody explains how it’s supposed to work and what it does wrong.

[frank ridge]

if they close in anyways you'd have an easier time when aiming

[burnt moss]

Most don’t move much, so relatively yeah haha

[frank ridge]

if they close the distance then use all your movement options to... like get away

[burnt moss]

You’d rather run away than use the mobile turret?

[sacred dirge]

Well it's usually obvious so didn't think I'd have to explain how sticky aim works. It can occasionally focus your aim on anything that crosses your hairs and lead your shot to something you don't want to hit. I mention practice without. Not without completely. Once you feel your shots are landing consistently and are used to the stick turning it on can give you an advantage

[slow sigil]

nobody explains how it’s supposed to work and what it does wrong.
Probs because it doesnt

[frank ridge]

dodging enemies is a main component of the "combat loop"

you can literally just meathook jump over them

[slow sigil]

Or dash to the side

[burnt moss]

So it’s the same as goldeneye. In that case, I’d have to be a very bad aim to actually lock onto a different target.

[sacred dirge]

You could say that

[burnt moss]

Don’t get me started on meathook’s reliability. Especially when the demons are on fire or buffed.

[slow sigil]

Well it only works faintly which usually has an inverse effect and fucks up your sim because it almost randomly just changes sensitivity

[lapis saddle]

I pretty much exclusively use the shield over turret since it actually provides defense instead of making you extra vulnerable. I can’t justify the mobile turret in most situations due to the movement penalty

[sacred dirge]

And again I'm not hating on aim asset. It's very useful for controller. Just suggesting something to practice with

[burnt moss]

Or just sit there and shred them, then go chainsaw a fodder to get the ammo back? Last night I kept two PEs at bay at the same time with the turret. So it’s like the MWB but useful against multiple opponents.

[frank ridge]

you know what's better than mobile turret on dread knight? shield bash

no aim needed

[slow sigil]

shred them

[burnt moss]

Shield has gotten me pinned a lot. Because the DreadKnight isn’t dead before the shield runs out.

[slow sigil]

But meh might be easier to do it that way but in that case MWB would be better since you dont even have the fear of missing AND it has a giant AOE falter after

[frank ridge]

sitting there doesn't help in a chaotic arena, speed is more better which is why fast ttk like pb combos are better

[slow sigil]

Then uhm, dash away before you see the obvious bar run out?

[frank ridge]

maybe you should improve instead of blaming the gun

[lapis saddle]

I tend to not rely on the shield and just use it as a way to make movement mistakes hurt less while mostly dodging

[frank ridge]

btw do you single tap dash or use both of your dashes right away

[burnt moss]

Running increases ttk technically. I want him dead now, I don’t want to dance with him.

[burnt moss]

Depends

[frank ridge]

if you want them dead now, use something more efficient than mobile turret

[slow sigil]

Yeah same, shield is boring but better then the bs of falling of the map and being blind, and ofc panic button

[burnt moss]

Swapping is too slow to kill him before he gets to me, unless I slow him down.

[slow sigil]

Wut???? Wtf you mean running increases ttk

[frank ridge]

getting better at swapping will make it more efficient and reliable 😱

[slow sigil]

You can just, not stand still
Doom isnt called a movement shooter for nothing

[burnt moss]

I mean he literally lives longer if I disengage to get more distance

[slow sigil]

Oh yeah because you forgot how to walk backwards, mb

[lapis saddle]

In general I hope the next Doom does more with utility mods instead of having maximum damage be so focal for weapons. Stuff like microwave beam and shield and meathook over lock on rockets or arbalest

[frank ridge]

couldn't you just ballista boost to back off faster anyways

[slow sigil]

Also good swaps definitely can kill a singular dreadknight before it reaches you

[burnt moss]

Because he isn’t stationary, it’s harder to engage him from the air. He’s the best target while we are both on ground.

[lapis saddle]

Moving while you shoot is pretty important no matter what. It’s best to learn how to aim while moving

[burnt moss]

We just had an argument about running backwards. I get snagged on fodder a lot of the time.

[slow sigil]

Kinda same, cause rn considering how many options are ingame not a lot of options are used just because of how bad they are overall

[frank ridge]

yeah

[burnt moss]

When I’m in the air he’s not usually exposed because he’s on the move

[frank ridge]

get better spatial awareness

a lot of this is just a you problem ngl

[slow sigil]

Then dodge him on the ground like by dashing

[burnt moss]

Except they spawn everywhere all the time

[burnt moss]

Or I can avoid all that using the turret. Literally what’s the downside?

[slow sigil]

Yeah, this cycles to "mobile turret is usefull because of my lack of skill"

[frank ridge]

with air control you can just glide around them or maybe you can use them to meathook jump

[burnt moss]

Useful is useful. And if that’s the case, blame the game for being so easy that I made it this far without being skilled.

[slow sigil]

Other demons can attack you, it's slow
it's also more boring but that's subjective

[frank ridge]

them "spawning everywhere" is just your unawareness about what's around you especially since no one else has this problem

[sacred dirge]

There's nothing wrong with using a weapon because you're comfortable with it and enjoy using it. End of the day if you're clearing an arena like everyone else do your thing.

[lapis saddle]

The turret makes dodging unreliable due to the speed penalty

[slow sigil]

Isnt dash length the same though?

[lapis saddle]

IDK. You can’t dodge constantly so the movement penalty still matters some regardless

[burnt moss]

I can take on multiple demons simultaneously with turret. I am able to pick a spot with relative cover and concealment. I’ll give you the fun factor, but like I said, I’m working on aim. Making a point on this HMP run to use PB whenever possible.

[burnt moss]

If I’m aiming at the DK I cannot see what is spawning or even approaching behind me. Unless there’s a rear view mirror mod I’m missing?

[frank ridge]

don't focus too much on a minor enemy then

[burnt moss]

He is the most deadly to me

[lapis saddle]

Basically try not to tunnel vision and keep tabs on what’s going on around you. That means periodically turning around and paying attention to spawning sounds

[frank ridge]

set the fov to max

[opal galleon]

Switch

[frank ridge]

360 degree vision, no more tunnels, only open plains

[lapis saddle]

Enemies move in fairly predictable ways so as long as you’re checking every 5 or so seconds you should be fine

[burnt moss]

The other reason aim is a factor here is because I’ve only recently incorporated holding down fire during a swap. This practice means I do not control the moment at which the weapon fires. So I don’t just have to aim, I have to keep the reticle on target so at that random moment, I will hit the target.

[frank ridge]

I mean I don't hold fire at all

[burnt moss]

DK doesn’t give me time to look around

[frank ridge]

makes everything less complicated

[opal galleon]

They're not that difficult to deal with

[lapis saddle]

He does if you’re backpedaling like you need to

[slow sigil]

Well it's more a rate of fire and not random

[lapis saddle]

Also rockets are more effective than chaingun against DKs anyway

[burnt moss]

At 30- fps I wait forever for the bal to fire after SSG or PB

[slow sigil]

I would argue holding down fire makes it less complicated as you dont have to remind yourself to press it everytime
Even if muscle memory, it still helps

[burnt moss]

I feel like I’m usually in a corner or on a ledge when he approaches

[slow sigil]

Still sort of a rof

[frank ridge]

didn't floir play at lower than 30 fps and had not too many problems in doom

[lapis saddle]

That’s when you slip past him and just run for a moment to gain distance

[slow sigil]

Then get out of that corner and try to not find yourself in corners

[burnt moss]

Highly irregular due to two different weapons with two diff cooldowns

[opal galleon]

I can show you more of my gameplay volden if you want, it seems to me like you're just overcomplicating stuff I dunno

[frank ridge]

quickswapping skips cooldowns though?

[slow sigil]

Is it really "highly" if it's just 2?

[burnt moss]

Nah this started as me saying “actually turret isn’t so bad” and turned into a group therapy session

[slow sigil]

The "cooldown" would be the swapspeeds

[burnt moss]

A flat tire has but one flat side, and feels quite inconsistent.

[slow sigil]

We take the mentally ill, who screech "MM GOOD!!! FA GOOD!!!" very seriously, blessed be their recovery

[burnt moss]

Yeah I used the wrong word

[jaunty vapor]

In fairness, turret isn't actually that bad.

[slow sigil]

[sacred dirge]

I find 100 110 the best

[slow sigil]

135

[opal galleon]

but compared to everything else it is, its like unmaykr and bfg, unmaykr isnt bad but bfg makes it useless

[sacred dirge]

I don't like a huge fov because I'm not a fan of the artificial speed feeling

[opal galleon]

atleast I think that's what you were gonna say I feel like I see you saying this like every week

[dim solar]

Mobile turret would be decent if shield werent straight up broken

[frank ridge]

you need to replicate byakugan with the 360 degree fov

[sacred dirge]

Hahahaha yes

[burnt moss]

Name one other weapon that fixes multiple enemies in place while doing -decent- damage

[random vault]

in fairness, full auto isn’t actually that bad.

[sacred dirge]

Truth

[opal galleon]

uh Dblade idk

[jaunty vapor]

https://youtu.be/h8rzIDh3ChM

I.e. "how to get infinite field of view without console commands even though this isn't useful at all"

[burnt moss]

Are you talking about the faltering blast when it fills?

[slow sigil]

It would probably be like plasma rifle, quite mehh/bad but people swear it's good because "daddy hugo said to use all your tools for dinner"

[opal galleon]

It just kills everything/does good damage if you can line it up and shoot

and I guess the falter blast is useful?

[strange gale]

bhops are straight up IMPOSSIBLE at 30fps (you can't get a single one, not even with macro) so i wouldn't rely on falter beam as even at bhop-viable frames it's only really useful in rehearsed setups

[burnt moss]

“Fix” or “fix in place” means it prevents them from moving. My beef with dblade in this regard is that, while charging, you are vulnerable.

[jaunty vapor]

In fairness, Macro isn't designed for 30 fps. If you have a macro that IS designed for 30fps, it works better.

It's not impossible to do bhops at 30. But it IS hard/less useful.

[dim solar]

Weapon balance is a complicated thing, if energy shield wasnt so damn good I can see myself replacing it with mobile turret at some instances

[opal galleon]

Just use it in a position which won't make you so vulnerable or be aware of your stack to where making a calculated Dblade won't fuck you over

[frank ridge]

so just be in a position where you're safe enough to d blade

[slow sigil]

it's been over a year since that was released

[opal galleon]

Like don't use Dblade in front of a baron if you're low on stack

[slow sigil]

Btw if you like meathook and get in the air you can go full speed charging dblade untill you actually touch the ground

[burnt moss]

Dblade is a favorite of mine. But it is worse than Turret at the situation we’ve been discussing. Worse/completely ineffective at stopping enemy attacks and approach at initiation.

[opal galleon]

You can falter shit with grenades and other damage options

[slow sigil]

Might not stop a DK but it will stop entire groups by crippling their hp

[opal galleon]

You also have icebomb too

[slow sigil]

You dont need falters if they simply die before refaltering is important

[opal galleon]

[slow sigil]

Same point against quick MWB between guns, why stun a demon if you can just outright kill it?

[burnt moss]

If a place is safe to charge dblade, it doesn’t have good visibility of the target. Especially considering PEs

[burnt moss]

My swaps are so slow that by the time my next weapon is out the falter was irrelevant

[slow sigil]

Not mentioning specifically dblades but even then there are, that one crates arena in uaca, big key arena in sgn ML

[slow sigil]

The point was stopping the enemy from coming towards you for a sec though, not stop them to shoot them but standing still

[burnt moss]

That is a fair exception but not common enough to rely on. That kind of arena is a crutch in some ways.

[shell tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813735114030448640/982055390994923560/20220603005613_1.jpg

hellyeah lets go

[burnt moss]

There are other demons and turret can slow multiple demons where MWB fixes you on one target.

[shell tulip]

the game bugged and i went blind for a few seconds in the final arena and when i could move again, i was left with 5 hp and like 3 mancubi + other demons shooting at me lol

[strange gale]

250/30 = 8.333... while 8*30 = 240

so with the math in mind, assuming it inputs a jump every 0.004s, the macro should hit bhops at 30fps at least somewhat consistently, but it doesn't
macro should work fine at 31.25fps, which as you can see is close to the framerate we want

[slow sigil]

I made a singular typo in night and the bot spelling control fucked me over, nice

Not gonna retype that, just gonna sleep now

[mossy nova]

Well i can bhop at 16 fps

[strange gale]

[opal galleon]

[sacred dirge]

[slow sigil]

Average switch pro

[mossy nova]

I play on my laptop

[sacred dirge]

I use pc and console because meh I don't care

[burnt moss]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wolf-of-wall-street-clap-clapping-clapping-hands-leonardo-dicaprio-gif-22829304

[dry perch]

well i cant run doom eternal on laptop

[burnt moss]

Does anyone use controllers on PC? Or is that a weird idea?

[dim solar]

Rodark does lmao

[patent stream]

Control scheme you are used to on a platform you can run things on

[random vault]

hi doomers

[mossy blade]

How come this stupid doom hunter keeps going back to half health

[sacred dirge]

I do

It's not if you're used to controller

[strange gale]

there's one guy who plays controller & mouse hybrid

[random vault]

that guys name is me

(i am a pathological liar)

[azure forum]

I know some players that use controllers. It is not bad. Of course KM gives you more options but you csn make it work just as fine. I would personally play with a controller even on a gaming PC

[fading monolith]

lego game speedrunners in a nutshell

[burnt moss]

What wireless controllers can/should you use?

[azure forum]

Xbox controller

[burnt moss]

Does it use Bluetooth or does it require an attachment?

[shell tulip]

holy shit the world spear master level is insanity

[dim solar]

it's pretty good

[shell tulip]

its also long asf

[dim solar]

as long as you don't get soft-locked in the pinky cave

[shell tulip]

i did only one playthrough, on nightmare now and that didnt happen

guess im lucky..?

[dim solar]

happened to me twice in a row on UN

that's why I'll never play that level again on UN

but I can do NM deathless

[shell tulip]

ah yes UN, there's no way I'm doing this lmao

[sacred dirge]

Absolutely

[shell tulip]

not that i wouldnt be able to beat it, its just i dont have enough nerves

[burnt moss]

Do you have to buy any sort of adapter to make an Xbox wireless controller work on pc?

[tame root]

you could just skip like 90% of world spear if you really wanted green chrome ballista

[azure forum]

I think Xbox has Bluetooth controllers and wired ones - probably USB A

[random vault]

exis bokis seres exis

[dim solar]

are you trying to speak spanish, TMG?

[ember void]

hiiiiii doomers

[random vault]

how many i’s is that

[ember void]

6

isn't that cat girl or something

[sacred dirge]

I just use a 6 foot usb c. I try not to use wireless when I can

[azure forum]

Wireless isn't bad on PC honestly especially these days. You should be fine with wireless but I agree that I would do USB C if possible

[sacred dirge]

True. Not really sure if the input lag is even detectable. I'll have to give it a try

[random vault]

its mysterious

[ember void]

7 is cat girl

[azure forum]

Do you play on Xbox?

[dry perch]

what the link doin

[sacred dirge]

I play on pc and PS

[azure forum]

I personally like the PS controllers much more than the Xbox ones

The position of the thumb sticks is better imo

[sacred dirge]

That's why I got a Nacon Revolution Pro now. Use for both. Best of both worlds

[burnt moss]

Does wireless require something plugged into the PC?

[azure forum]

Nope. Should be just Bluetooth

[burnt moss]

Nice, so PCs come with Bluetooth capabilities standard?

[paper kiln]

Lol

[random vault]

hi doomers

[burnt moss]

Hey is it just me or does PB cause more falter than Bal?

[azure oriole]

Does anyone like vega?

[ember void]

daddy vega

[quasi socket]

[lapis saddle]

Nearly finished with my first Nightmare TAG1 playthrough.

[mossy nova]

doom eternal the ancient gods part 2 is better then tag 1

[ember void]

[azure forum]

If easier is better, then yes

[dim solar]

Are you fighting Samur?

[lapis saddle]

Not quite. I have reached the Tyrant, possessed tyrant, carcass, Doom Hunter fight

[dim solar]

Hmm

[burnt moss]

He can be my father

[dim solar]

That's a tough one lmao

[burnt moss]

Oof

[lapis saddle]

I’m not asking for help yet, just wanted to tell someone

[burnt moss]

Hey what’s the point of secret encounters TAG 1? What do they do for you?

[fading monolith]

Blursed

[lapis saddle]

Skins

[burnt moss]

Vegussy

[lapis saddle]

I’m finished playing TAG for tonight

[ember void]

[lapis saddle]

I just feel very accomplished for getting this far

[dim solar]

mhm mhm

You should

and you can make it to the end, just take your time and keep pushing forward

[fading monolith]

Should I be concerned

[mossy nova]

yes

[dim solar]

Oh boy, I remember the first time I fought Samur on NM

[burnt moss]

Thanks

[dim solar]

That a was a good 60 deaths in a row at least

[fading monolith]

Tbh Samur was confusing during that one minute break between the first two stages, just infinite cacodemons.

[mossy nova]

im neutral evil

[dim solar]

Yeah, that part got me stuck for a while

[mossy nova]

i dont like the samur fight

[burnt moss]

And then there’s the glitch I experienced with Samur. Were any of you here that night?

[fading monolith]

What is that glitch?

[lapis saddle]

I have come to the conclusion that I don’t tend to enjoy Doom boss fights in general

[dim solar]

Wrong ping, my bad

[mossy nova]

specially the spirit pain elemental

[dim solar]

I dont either tbh

[lapis saddle]

I’m dreading the Samur fight

[mossy nova]

i had to use deaths blow rune so i wont die

to the eyeballs and blood maykrs

and spirit pain elemental

[dim solar]

Bosses in videogames tend to be frustratingly hard or disappointingly easy, the good thing about the ones that are hard and frustrating is that the longer you spend fighting them, the better you get to understand them and appreciate them

That said, after spending several hours fighting samur and ios, I concluded that they just arent good bosses lol

[ivory ore]

So true

[tight bear]

first time you fight them, you get a rush

[lapis saddle]

I think the part I don’t like is how the Doom bosses often seem to be about completely different interactions than the normal gameplay. Namely the fact that they about one really tough foe instead of many relatively weak foes like the rest of the game

[tight bear]

but after a while, it just dies down

[ivory ore]

I know a way to get a rush out of one of the most boring bosses in doom

[tight bear]

fist them to death?

[ivory ore]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-yes-precisely-absolutely-totally-gif-17449520

[burnt moss]

During the Caco phase, Samur came down and started hitting me. He thought it was still phase 1.

[tight bear]

yes, just blood punch the marauder to death for maximum fun zone

[burnt moss]

:angry buttsex:

[dim solar]

I just see them like some sort of puzzle, finding an effective and safe way of dealing with them, they are a nice momentary change of pace for the game when done properly

[ivory ore]

To be fair this is actually really easy to do

Unless we’re talking world spear master level

[mossy blade]

Why can't I put the keys in the spots at the super gore nest

[mossy nova]

there might be a imp

[ivory ore]

Make absolute certain every demon in the arena is dead. Check EVERYWHERE, including the lava river since some demons can fuck around on it

[mossy blade]

I would like to but they cut me off the heart area

[ivory ore]

Dm me a ss

[burnt moss]

Have you guys seen this patriotic slayer skin? It’s hilarious

[sacred dirge]

It's a long standing tradition

[azure oriole]

Yeh.
I wish there was a skin with the same coloring but without the doodads

[sturdy rapids]

[azure oriole]

yo how can doomguy not kill a zombie with his hands when he has killed the icon of sin 4 times

[burnt moss]

He’s too tired. He has killed the Icon of Sin 4 times, after all.

[ember void]

I'm coming after you.

[dim solar]

😱

Be careful Funkyman, there's a Pyro under your bed

[slow sigil]

Did he kill the icon with his hands?

[ivory ore]

He can

[idle cargo]

The only time I ever use triple rockets is against spirit possessed enemies

[hollow lily]

i got doom eternal yesterday and its very fun

[flint flame]

4?

[digital jewel]

@rough prairie See.

[burnt moss]

Nice guys finish last

Guys, funny glitch with this Patriot skin. The end portal opened for ARC ML, and there are now sparklers hovering right where I was standing when the portal opened. Not the sticks, just the sparks at the end.

[strong ibex]

That can happen with every skin that has particles

[burnt moss]

This also happens a lot with lost souls. A glowing, screaming, half-spawned lost soul shade will hover at the end of a fight

[rough prairie]

….

Yes, I will get it. Soon, very soon. 😃

[raw olive]

[digital jewel]

Good.

[pseudo thistle]

pyro is Walter white 😱

[mossy nova]

balls

[silver briar]

[slow flame]

i finally got doom eternal deluxe edition

[brittle grove]

Anybody got any good keybinds for switching and doing combos?

[mossy nova]

what device

[slow sigil]

make sure your weapons are around WASD, and preferably no weapons on mouse since it tends to screw up your aim. tools like flamebelch are fine on it though

[brittle grove]

Ohhhh ok

[brittle grove]

I'm on PC

[tame root]

quake 3 mfs be using ESDF

[slow sigil]

it's better but not the standard tbf

[mossy nova]

simple go to the weapon you want and to the second then press "Q"

[slow sigil]

weapon wheel is wank

[mossy nova]

it will switch make it quick too

[mossy nova]

no weapon wheel

[slow sigil]

you still gotta use it to go from weapons to other weapons that arent in your 2 last used weapons

[mossy nova]

well quick weapon wheel by trying to aim your mouse to the other weapon

but more quick that you cant even see that you equipped it

[slow sigil]

sounds like more effort then just rebinding your weapons on good spots

if you're on pc, why not just use keybinds?

[mossy nova]

okay but the quick wheel and Q is more easy for me

[slow sigil]

yeah cause by now you are used to it

keybinds are better cause they are more flexible and if you focused on that you wouldve learned that too at like, the same pace

[tame root]

binds I'm used to are:
q: heavy cannon
2: shotgun
3: ssg
4: minigun
5: plasma
e: rocket
r: ballista
f: crucible/hammer
b: bfg

[naive parcel]

Doomers

[slow sigil]

@brittle groveyou might wanna not put anything on the numbers keys though, they are a bit harder to reach then other stuff

anyways,
My doom controls:
1 csg
4 bfg/unmakyr
Q ssg
E ballista
R hc
T switch mod
F rl
Z plasma
C chaingun
Ctrl switch nade

Side buttons, one for melee and one to spew nades
Scroll up chainsaw
Scroll down flame belch
Press scroll crucible/hammer

[brittle grove]

Ohhh ok bet I'ma tryna both of these out and see which one is good for me thanks guys 🙏🏿

[mossy nova]

i have 35 slayer skins

[slow sigil]

you can also just put in your own, aslong as pb, ssg, and rocket are the easiest to reach

[brittle grove]

Thank you 🙏🏿

[heavy ocean]

I need dat immora skin

[mossy nova]

skull face ?

[heavy ocean]

The Slayer Battlemode seasonal reward.

[mossy nova]

okay

[heavy ocean]

Im curious what it looks like. Its "Immora" slayer.

[mossy nova]

a silver red paint job

[slow sigil]

with boring brown gloves

[mossy nova]

thoughts about the immoran alter podium ?

[slow sigil]

pretty cool

[heavy ocean]

Im a fan of the super turbo turkey puncher podium

[mossy nova]

Rate my screenshot in screen shots

[heavy ocean]

Jeez you made me count. I have 52 slayer skins 😆

[verbal ravine]

Can you unlock skins in eternal? Like doing certain things instead of sentinel batteries n stuff?

[heavy ocean]

I dig it.

[mossy nova]

Yes the dlc level up buy skins there all here

[verbal ravine]

Alright

I forgot that I have 6 lives and almost lost them all cause im rubbish. Anyways, time to doom.

[heavy ocean]

The horde mode skins are lit. Golden Bounty lord and lux slayer are cool

Ngl tutorial slayer is pretty cool too.

[mossy nova]

How to get lux skin ?

[heavy ocean]

I think lux is complete 30 gold bounties in horde.

[mossy nova]

What difficulty

[heavy ocean]

Any

Golden Bounty Lord is worth the frustration of nightmare.

[mossy nova]

Welp im bored of my boredom im gonna do horde mode tommorow
I kinds have experiences with horde mode

On nightmare

[heavy ocean]

If I can console, weapon wheel my way through it- you got it.

[mossy nova]

Im trying to make my gamer body to be always used to it

After i get lux i will leave like my bullys dad

[as]

[heavy ocean]

Lol

[mossy nova]

nvm i wont get it

[neat flax]

ngl im verystupid i lost 4 lives on a level i went back to get all the lives i missed

[sacred dirge]

Mistakes happen

[fallen prism]

Lol

But untrue

[ocean elbow]

Scrollwheel for everything

[worldly flax]

Started playing eternal again after so long. It's still just as fun as when I got it day one

[burnt moss]

Under the Mayo actually likes the Unmaykr? What?

[craggy cave]

I only use the Unmaykr when I wanna take out single targets rather than obliterate the whole room with a wasteful shot

[burnt moss]

Especially in TAG, BFG doesn’t even kill the demons I most wanted to kill. So maybe Unmaykr makes sense

[opal galleon]

Pb ssg

[azure oriole]

hello

[flint flame]

Goodbye

[ember void]

byegirls

[dim solar]

No girls, dont leave, come back!

I crave for female attention and interaction

[random vault]

hi im not a female

[dim solar]

Don't ever talk to me again
blocked

[random vault]

😭

does femboy count as female enough?

[dim solar]

It depends

[azure oriole]

Mayo likes all non-meta weapons, it's kinda his thing

[dim solar]

but this is no place to discuss that (?)

[slow sigil]

Too bad he and his milksuckers call them "good" too

[azure oriole]

"Milksuckers" good one

[dim solar]

Full Auto is secretly top tier WDYEM

actually, it shouldn't be a secret at this point

would you git gud already???

[dreamy lion]

Is DOOMDUMPER updated?

[nova ether]

there is a super shotgun airsoft gun

[azure oriole]

Lol

[dreamy lion]

haha

[ember void]

Is that speed

[azure oriole]

Women

[dreamy lion]

GOD IS GOOD

GOD IS GREAT

[azure oriole]

Wrong channel

[ember void]

Women

[dreamy lion]

I just need to know if DOOMDUMPER is updated

[neon zodiac]

He was right about meme beam being underrated, but thats about it, full auto and unmakyr still suck

[burnt moss]

Why not?

[dim solar]

because we're being watched...

[burnt moss]

So? Is he a taboo topic?

[burnt moss]

Non-meta?

[jaunty vapor]

Weapons that are the opposite of "the meta", or weapons people say are bad/the worst. In DEs context, this is mostly relegated to Full Auto, Meme Beam, Unmaykr, Remote Det, and Mobile Turret

[azure oriole]

What bloodshot said.
"Meta" is short for most effective tactic or smth to that effect

[jaunty vapor]

For awhile the "meta" was just SSG ballista, and lock-on. Lock on in particular was THE meta, for obvious reasons. But meme beam was a laughing stock of a weapon early on cause the damage it did was pitiful and the explosion rarely seemed useful. Mayo started doing a lot of videos about the "real way to use weapons", in what I'd argue was a clickbaity way, but not that that's bad, that's just YouTube.

And I'd be remiss if I didn't say Mayo did highlight a few interesting, albeit niche, uses for some weapons, some obvious uses but others not so obvious.

[azure oriole]

Mayo's guide on faltering is really good

[jaunty vapor]

It's one of those things that I feel doesn't matter 100%, but it is interesting and can be semi useful. It's probably my favorite video of his.

I imagine now that we've datamined a bunch of stuff there's actual info.on how the falters work, I bet Bowsr knows it just off the top of his head. But at the time it was really comprehensive, especially for the layman DE player

[azure oriole]

I mean yeah, deal damage fast enough and faltering becomes redundant, but still good to know how it works

[azure oriole]

Oh for sure, I learned a bunch from that vid

While at it: is heat blast a hard falter, I forgor?

[dim solar]

I saw that video and I found it super meme, shoot a mancubus's right arm to produce a falter, now shoot rem det to produce another falter followed by a grenade to get one more falter, now that makes a chain of 3 falters in a row!, and you can also shoot the left arm to get even more falters, it's super useful!

and I'm there watching like: Or you could just draw energy shield and kill it in 3 seconds...

[azure oriole]

Yeah like said, you could just, you know, kill the mancubus but it was informative in how the falters work

[azure oriole]

Or pb rocket
Or pb ballista
Or pb ssg
Etc

[distant lynx]

Ok someone help

Im foing un and i am at 1 hp

WTF DO I DO

[ember void]

Saving throw rune lol.

[distant lynx]

Im on the first level

[ember void]

yikes. don't die. that's pretty much all I can say.

[distant lynx]

Thats the lest of my problems

[slow sigil]

Rem det wouldnt even falter after shooting his arm

[burnt moss]

As a return to the Turret argument from yesterday, aren’t you SUPPOSED to use Chaingun on the DreadKnight? Like according to tutorial?

[slow sigil]

advised, but the game also suggests destroying doom hunter shields so

[burnt moss]

We don’t talk about plasma, no no no

[slow sigil]

??? I'm just comparing your example to something else that is similar enough

[burnt moss]

No you’re right, I was joking because that really is a travesty to have the game give bad advice like that.

[slow sigil]

Oh yeah true, but tbf if somehow quickswapping didnt exist then mobile turret would probs be one of the better options anyways

[flint flame]

Accept defeat, and just try again. It’s the ultra nightmare fun zone

[burnt moss]

The point I’m making is that, not only is mobile turret safer than quickswap when dealing with DreadKnight (though I may have been talking about Baron of Hell), it’s actually the intended method.

Not safer from surrounding demons though, I’ll admit

[slow sigil]

They also tell you to not get too far away from the marauder, even though this is an excellent thing to do since it baits the marauder into running at you

[slow sigil]

Safer then quickswapping, but not more then shieldbashing

[azure forum]

We can all agree that the best in game advice is on how to kill tyrants

[burnt moss]

Let me do some math. Shield bash does 200

[azure forum]

Marauder: 3 different phases, do this, that, and this or he does that...
Tyrant: shoot that bastard

[slow sigil]

??? Now you are gonna account for speed? The difference isnt too big in dps i know that, and if speed is what you want: quickswap

[azure forum]

Why not just lock on once again? Faster than mobile turret transform, kills it faster and you move faster

[dim solar]

hey, in defense of the game's tutorials, they give you a hint on using FA to destroy the sled on the doom hunters, that's top tier advice right there

[burnt moss]

If I’m shield bashing I can easily get surrounded so he has to be dead before shield runs out

[burnt moss]

Depending on starting distance, there’s not time to lock on more than once before he’s reached me.

How long does shield last?

[slow sigil]

He probably will be, and double jump, BP, or just going away before it runs out are all good optipms

[slow sigil]

4 seconds

It'll be the most safest way anyways though, even if you dont kill it switching to ssg will

[burnt moss]

DPS of 1000+ 2 dash bashes is 4400/7000 damage. Yeah I’d definitely need an exit strategy

[jaunty vapor]

This is assuming you're not taking damage, since damage reduces the up time.

[burnt moss]

I never knew. I suspected because especially pos demons seem to break it.

[jaunty vapor]

Arguably though, if you're doing shield bashes + chaingun against DK, just stop after the 3rd-5th bash so that you can glory kill him (let's your chaingun shield cooldown come back during the glory kill, and demons tend not to surround during gks)

[slow sigil]

and even if surrounded you will have a BP

[jaunty vapor]

I would argue that either lock on or Dblade would be the better option, Dblade especially since all you really need to do is double jump.backwards then charge Dblade, and by the time the DK gets to you the shockwave will push it back (i.e. no hits taken) and Dblade will put it into glory kill

But IF you're energy shielding it then make sure to not bash into it while it's glory killable since that is free time to get back your shield

[slow sigil]

i thought for DK's that you needed an extra pb shot to actually stagger them with dblade?

[dim solar]

mhm

hell knights are the ones that get staggered by fully charged Dblade

[lapis saddle]

Do possessed demons have a notable weakness I might not have heard of?

[slow sigil]

lock on

[ivory ore]

blood punch

[lapis saddle]

Lock on rockets? Okay

[slow sigil]

for some god damn reason most possesed demons have less resistances to rockets then to ssg and bal, making rockets even better against em

[dim solar]

what used to work best against that specific demon before is your best bet when they are possessed

ex: heck knights/dread knights - lock on
PEs: arbalest
Pinkies: blood punch

[lapis saddle]

I maintain that spirits’ buffs are overkill btw. Especially in the case of already very tanky foes like tyrants

[slow sigil]

for the giant targets it is

[dim solar]

I agree

[slow sigil]

for the more mid targets it's very cool though imo

[azure oriole]

i bet that the update 6.66 rev 2 will be the last update

we remember doom 2016 and it's update 6.66

but i still hope that some sort of co op mode will be there

[slow sigil]

co op would be too big of a project

they can't even make a demon joining your campaign work, let alone co op

[azure oriole]

yeah lol

[slow sigil]

next game hopefully though

scrap the crappy multiplayer gamemodes they force into the games and just get co op instead

[ivory ore]

i got vegad

anyways what i meant to say was:
"BuT MuH DeaThMAtCh"

[flint flame]

But muh funzone

[slow sigil]

deathmatch is death

[flint flame]

It prob won’t be the last update, but it will be the last for a while

They’ll probably keep it at 6.66 but with Rev 3 and so on

[azure oriole]

Rev 3 with a quakecon 2022 skin methinks

[rancid wadi]

is there any way to turn off RTX from outside the game? i managed to enable it and now it wont launch lmao

[stable gorge]

Any new, amazing level mods that came out recently?

I stopped playing a little after I beat hordemode 2 from proteh

[azure oriole]

can smn dm me and explain the whole god killing stuff becusse i don’t quite get it fully

[slow sigil]

what about it dont you understand

no need to go to DM's

[rancid wadi]

man gets angry and bullies god

[azure oriole]

everything past the khan makyr being killed

[slow sigil]

icon of sin: just a very strong titan demon. it's flesh can be shot off to weaken it by just normal weaponry and doomguy used the crucible's blade to put it in comatose cause it can just do that. otherwise to kill it he

[azure oriole]

nah not that bit it’s like the whole orb stuff i don’t get

[slow sigil]

vega/the father: vega put away all of his powers and it was all inside the ball. the ball itself contained the powers of basically the God in the doomverse, but by itself is nothing. doomguy just smashes it

orbs basically just store power and information about a life in order to revive it. like how davoth was revived. davoth however had no powers when revived because vega stole his powers, and those powers got destroyed when doomguy destroyed the yellow orb

[rancid wadi]

does anyone have an answer to this?

the game is literally unplayable for me due to it rn

[ivory ore]

Yellow orb = good god. Slayer crush good god bc he's against what the slayer wants. Red orb = bad god, who is actually the Creator of everything. When he was put into red orb though he was depowered, thus making him weak asf. Slayer kill Creator. The end

No, we dont know why he looks like the slayer. No, an in game lore reason isn't given. There's ramblings from the creative director, but it's widely known that what he says doesn't match up what's in the lore, so yeah

[slow sigil]

slayer and davoth look alike cause they just happen to be

[ivory ore]

they're lovers

[slow sigil]

take a guess what davoth's "piece of power" is that is in doomguy

[rancid wadi]

i prefer to imagine that the slayer was to be the equal of the dark lord, which just ended in him looking like em for cooler story reasons lmao

[slow sigil]

ngl i just find it dumb that they look alike for seemingly no reason now

couldve been cool like an alternate doomguy that was corrupted by hell or something idk

[rancid wadi]

i honestly agree, i wish there was a reason for them looking near identical

[ivory ore]

i mean there's a whole "you were made in god's image" in holy scriptures, im surprised they didn't just use that shit lmao

[signal dirge]

good afternoon

[keen gorge]

Davoth is his father and the maykrs did some major trolling

[sweet jetty]

sorry if this is a noob question. i'm having trouble restoring saves with hg.savehistory 0.74 in extra life mode (latest patch). is it normal that restoring doesn't work after dying? it only works for me once i start a new extra life campaign in the save slot.

[slow sigil]

"he is you in their world" though. hell even make him literally just hell's local version of doomguy who became leader of hell because not only is he like a doomguy, but he was fucking raised in hell, molded by it

[keen gorge]

What we should have had; "Tell him." "I am not The Father. He is your father." "The maykrs took you from me, son. I see now that you are indeed prepared now for this."

Also don't forget everything said in TAG1 was a lie

[ivory ore]

prepared for ||DEEZ||

[slow sigil]

even then, not like tag2 gave us anything

[azure oriole]

Ola

[ivory ore]

hello duck

[keen gorge]

Not like anything happens after the Icon

[ivory ore]

biggest ball buster id gave us wasnt davoth, but the kraken/monstrosity under the ocean at UAC atlantica

[signal dirge]

Atlantica Master Level when

[slow sigil]

i would really like to know just what even fucking was that

[signal dirge]

should have been a boss fight 💀

[ivory ore]

""should we have this thing be responsible for blowing up the facility? NAH fuckem, funny UAC lady needs her voice lines"

[signal dirge]

it is probably related to the Tentacles, they may be appendages the monster can project through space time with gore deposits

[ivory ore]

a weeb's wet dream 😳

[slow sigil]

no way they where fucking tentacles, no way

[slow sigil]

and mine

[slow sigil]

i honestly like the uac lady just exploding it more then the idea of "big monster attacks it now"

[signal dirge]

or that sarlack pit in the outside area where you meet the first Archvile in SGN ML, remember the tooth pit with the Extra Life above it?

The Rig Self destruct wa literally the UAC saying "Yeah, this'll kill him for sure" if the Slayer breaks in and steals anything valuable

[slow sigil]

difference is is that the SGN is a giant piece of hellgrowth coming from an enormous hell portal, the central one of earth infact
in uaca, it is just randomly in the ocean

[signal dirge]

I'll have to think about that

But what I'd have liked for Atlantica was that there were multiple sharks in the ocean than just the one we see

Could have used them for swimming segments in master levels.

[azure oriole]

Underwater combat 😳

[slow sigil]

🤢

[signal dirge]

Not necessarily combat, just making it more of a hazard

[burnt moss]

Doesn’t Vega say “he’s you in their world”?

[ivory ore]

I can assure you dashing into sharks would be annoyingly boring, take it from the gUNless guy

[keen gorge]

Vega is also The Father and a liar

[slow sigil]

seems to be not the case by tag2 lore, sinse davoth is god and doomguy is just a guy who got a bit of davoth's powers

[ivory ore]

yeah but it's not expanded upon nor mentioned ever again, so it feels more of a bait throwaway line than anything

[signal dirge]

i think he meant, Davoth is basically a being who serves the same purpose as the Slayer, but had failed in his duty

and fate or dumb fucking luck had made the Slayer to stop Davoth

[slow sigil]

i mean, kinda

[dim solar]

wait, I never heard about this, what sea monster you talking about?

[azure oriole]

i swear the betrayer dies early on in the lore but somehow he then appears in eternal

[slow sigil]

in uaca, once you jump in the water by samur's private lounge, turn around

[signal dirge]

The Betrayer's son dies in combat, Valen betrays Argenta to hell to get his son back. Hell is hell, and Valen serves penance by staying in Hell.

[dim solar]

now I have an excuse to replay my favorite level in the game

[azure oriole]

oh ok thanks

[signal dirge]

but 2016 suggested that the Slayer himself was the Betrayer, which I would have preffered

[azure oriole]

is 2016 a reboot

[signal dirge]

Technically

It was supposed to be a reboot, but Eternal's lore twists it into being a soft continuation of the Classic story

It takes place years after DOOM 64

basically you stay in hell to kill demons in 64, and make it out the other side into Argenta because of the new Lost Level

2016's story was better.

[burnt moss]

You don’t need dash to bash?

[azure oriole]

it leaves some plot holes if you know what i mean

[signal dirge]

yeah.

[azure oriole]

like if you need the crucible to kill the icon how does doom guy kill him in the classic games

[signal dirge]

That;s why 2016 is better. Even with Eternal's lore we still have not seen the Wretch

[slow sigil]

Welcome to a lack of pre-thought writing

[slow sigil]

neither have we in 2016 so 2016 sucks too

[signal dirge]

I think I shared my thoughts on who the Wretch is here a few times,

I think he could be an immoran who challenged Davoth's rule, given that his world was mutating with the attempts to find eternal life. He lost, and went to lick his wounds, waiting for the time for someone to come along to destroy the Dark Lord, and aid him

Could have been an immoran Civil War or something

hopefully that makes enough sense for a motive for a demon to turn against hell,

[ivory ore]

He’s called the wretch bc he douses whatever he builds in his vomit. That’s why the slayers armor is a different shade of green

[sacred dirge]

[azure oriole]

ngl i forgot who samuel was before doom 2016 ☠️

[azure oriole]

Bro, I loss my levels and my achievements

[ivory ore]

lmao F

[azure oriole]

who has he before the robot again

[valid wren]

Youre not the only one

[azure oriole]

Holy shit, seriously?

[valid wren]

yeah

happened to me too

[ivory ore]

originally, some mega human nerd

[azure oriole]

☠️

[azure oriole]

happened to one of my friedns

F

[fading monolith]

what platform?

[flint flame]

It happens, I’ve suffered from it five times

[azure oriole]

?

[lofty schooner]

lads

ive just beaten ultra nightmare

[flint flame]

Ok

[crimson falcon]

Hi

[lapis saddle]

Made it to Samur. I’m kinda tired from bashing my head against the Tryant, pTyrant, Carcass, Doom Hunter, Blood Maykr party outside his building so actually fighting him will wait until later

[ivory ore]

file proceeds to get corrupted

[dim solar]

Best strat vs a pos Tyrant is just closing application change my mind

[true rose]

I JUST DIED

ON THE FINAL SIN LEVEL

ON ULTRA NIGHTMARE

AAAAGGGGHHHH

I had to take out two more parts man

[lofty schooner]

dw ive completed hell on earth 4 times today trying to do ultra nightmare

[true rose]

That was the run

I never specified that this was a combat shotgun only run

I’m honest to god so mad

It’s progress

But still

[mossy nova]

balls

[ivory ore]

Lmao suffer

[dim solar]

as someone who died on the Khan Maykr, I present to you my respect

[true rose]

She ended so many runs for me

[dim solar]

It's painful to die that late in the game

but if you made it once there
you can make it back

[junior onyx]

hello eternal chat

goodbye eternal chat

[random vault]

hello immora

bye bye immora

[ember void]

hello tmg
goodbye tmg

[dim solar]

hello pyro

goodbye pyro

[mossy nova]

hello mabel

bye mabel

[sacred dirge]

Hello goodbye

[rotund fulcrum]

Hello 💣
Goodbye😎

[random vault]

hi pyro

[torn sleet]

?

Who's doing that

[high igloo]

Sorry

[azure oriole]

The icon of sin genuinely scared me when i first saw it

Kinda a shock to go from a wall to a giant fucking goat

[drifting lava]

Anyone mid explaining how cosmetics work? Im really consufsed about all the series cosmetics and stuff.

[azure oriole]

No clue mate

[burnt moss]

I can explain

[green slate]

what?

[drifting lava]

I think i kinda got it. Each series is like a different event I guess and some are availible for ourchase and some come pack during events. some are for milestoens or acheivments too.,

[burnt moss]

There are skins that change the appearance of the slayer or demon you are playing

[drifting lava]

Yeah i get that. Its just the unlokcing process i was confused on

[burnt moss]

Oh that’s what you mean

[drifting lava]

yeah lol

[junior onyx]

hello eternal chat what are we talking about today

[burnt moss]

Yeah if you go to events, you can see all the cosmetics you can earn in the current event. You can see how many xp to the next one.

[drifting lava]

yeee thanks. just checked that earlier. Thx for the help

[green slate]

I wanted to get the game but comparing the price to my money it would be like if a random guy would like to buy each of elon musk's companys

taco demon (:

[ivory ore]

What🤨

[lyric epoch]

Is anyone else having connection problems to the servers?, keeps disconnecting ever 30 sec

[flint flame]

It’s $13 on steam atm

[flint flame]

It’s been like that since the beginning

[lyric epoch]

Thanks for the heads up, refund requested.

[strange gale]

except yes it has been like that, this game has a grand total of like 3 or 4 servers so of course you don't get connection issues if you live near one of them

[burnt moss]

Geez, even on HMP Samur is hard!

[flint flame]

Like I mean it’s been an issue since launch, they never really fixed it

[burnt moss]

But all the others are mostly a walk in the park, especially with extra lives in stock

What?

[lyric epoch]

it could be but getting disconnected 6 times in 60 min is not what I call good.

[burnt moss]

I just pulled out my N64 to play Goldeneye on the hardest difficulty. I am… not good at aiming anymore. I’m giving up for tonight 😦

[dim solar]

@lapis saddle hey Molly, you play on ps4 too right?

[lapis saddle]

Right

[dim solar]

is it ps4 slim perhaps?

[lapis saddle]

I think it’s just a normal PS4. Why do you ask?

[dim solar]

Hmm, I see

does your game lag from time to time? like it freezes for brief moments

really brief moments tho, like stuttering if that makes sense

[lapis saddle]

No but loading sometimes takes a while

[dim solar]

huh

that's so weird...

my game is constantly lagging while I play

I literally just got killed on UN by an archvile because my game lagged and prevented me from swapping weapons lol

I remember somebody else on ps4 slim mentioned they had the same issue

but eh, if it doesn't happen to you it might be a me problem...

I dunno if I should reinstall the game to see if that fixes it

I don't wanna wait 4 hours for it to download again...

[lapis saddle]

Yeah I’ve never had that issue.

[dim solar]

well damn

I guess I'll have to try installing again

because it's really fucking annoying

[mossy nova]

the dark lord boss fight was more fun in nightmare then on ultra violence

[burnt moss]

I’m on Switch and sometimes button presses are ignored. Like shooting the SSG

[timber badger]

That's brual bad luck dude

[dim solar]

I'm not even mad tbh, I did a really dumb move that shouldn't have done but even so I'm sure those lag spikes played a big role on getting me killed in there

[timber badger]

Which encounter?

[dim solar]

The archie room in the sewers of taras nabad

[timber badger]

I can understand the death. Barely any room to move

[dim solar]

nah, like I said, I did something stupid and I ended up losing a lot of health because of it, but had the game not lagged in that exact moment too, I probably would have survived

[timber badger]

Tbh I'm surprised that Eternal runs on the switch at all

[dim solar]

true that lol

[dim solar]

yeah, I feel the lag spikes are messing up my inputs like that too

[mossy nova]

the dark lord boss fight was more fun in nightmare then on ultra violence

[timber badger]

What makes you say that?

[mossy nova]

nightmare difficulty is more fun

[timber badger]

That's true

[ivory ore]

You already said this 😐

[dim solar]

maybe discord was lagging for them and sent their message twice (?)

[ivory ore]

With a 14 minute time gap? I dunno

By the way, the dark lord boss fight was more fun in nightmare than it was on ultra violence

[dim solar]

I think I've had duplicated messages like one hour after I sent the original one but I'm not sure

[dim solar]

definitely was more fun in gUNless than on nm

[ivory ore]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-catnod-yes-vibe-gif-21529329

[dim solar]

I'm lying btw

[ivory ore]

i unironically agree with it being more fun on gUNless, but everyone has their preferences. For example, some people like using full auto

[burnt moss]

I’m still trying to be against NM but I get bored when the game allows a lot of mistakes.

[burnt moss]

And some people like SHOOTING when they play a first person SHOOTER

[ivory ore]

it's a first person sightseer silly

[dim solar]

someday you'll come to love UN then

[warped zenith]

i'm doing UV on the main campaign

[burnt moss]

No way, not budging on that. If I had time for that, I’d be working on a Masters degree

[neon zodiac]

UN doesn't take that long

Especially the ML and DLC UNs

[burnt moss]

There’s a good argument that UV is the best difficulty.

[neon zodiac]

UV is a great introductory difficulty, NM is good for everything past first playthrough

[burnt moss]

You expect me to be OK with doing those on UN but not everything else?

[neon zodiac]

Everything else is just the main campaign

[burnt moss]

I played Campaign on all the difficulties besides UN. UV isn’t for beginners. Go with default.

[burnt moss]

Exactly.

[neon zodiac]

I played DE on UV first playthrough, never bothered with the other difficulties

[dim solar]

tbh if you get to the point where you can beat UN master levels and DLC the base game should be a piece of cake for you

[neon zodiac]

Main game UN is harder than DLC

[burnt moss]

Luck has a hand in it though. Between glitches and inferior platform issues Switch, there’s a lot outside your control that could mess you up. In addition, I don’t agree with a single mistake undoing hours of work.

[dim solar]

I believe you, but my final boss from DLC 1 doesn't

[burnt moss]

Was it you who argued with me about running backwards?

[dim solar]

Samur is the hardest boss in the game, that mofo can obliterate your hopes of a UN clear in the blink of an eye

[neon zodiac]

Weirdly enough, I never died to Samur in UN

I lost 2 runs to the electricity arena, but 0 to Samur