doom-eternal

[opal galleon]

So pointless

[dry perch]

yes

doom dev be like:noooooo full auto is funny mod useee it!!!111!!!1!111

[opal galleon]

2 extra shells off a SH kill really sure is a godly incentive fo sho

[thorny crag]

when im feeling like hmmm i will be weird today i just use full auto against tyrants when they are near dying

[dry perch]

ok look they couldve fix full auto by removing it

[thorny crag]

sometimes it works and i get a fu ton of shells

[opal galleon]

The chainsaw 😱 😱 😱

[thorny crag]

OR i will lose all my shells and f

[jaunty vapor]

When I was getting footage for the Bad Weapon Academy, this just kept happening. It was so frustrating

[dry perch]

just make full auto into a big blast mod lmao

[jaunty vapor]

My muscle memory is so engrained in having consistent damage and FA was so inconsistent in it's ability to finish off enemies, even after PB Rocket SSGs into them beforehand, it woulda been better to just do another SSG.

[dry perch]

full auto but it does damage!!!!111!1!11!

[opal galleon]

Superb "finisher" mod if I do say so myself

[thorny crag]

everytime that happens i switch to ssg bc muscle memory but then i realise oh noes shotgun shares ammo with ssg and if i dont run away in time to a fodder i die

[dry perch]

i dont like when they make a weak weapon strong from the beginning and then later on its just there

[idle cargo]

Doom 2016 punch wasn’t very useful against anything that wasn’t a fodder enemy

[thorny crag]

plasma rifle

once you get the chaingun there is no reason to go back to it

[cinder geyser]

true

[dry perch]

i remember using it alot when i was new into doom eternal but i just use beam mod to stun them

[cinder geyser]

only time I use plasma rifle is on doom hunters

[thorny crag]

and hey heat blast is a pretty cool mod it loads up when you shoot the rifle and then you can do a cool stun that also breaks weak points

[idle cargo]

I’d say the only definitively shit mod in the game is probably full auto yeah

[thorny crag]

micro missiles anyone?

[dry perch]

stickies,pb,bloodpunch,and ballista!!!!11!!11!!

[idle cargo]

The rest are good if used correctly correct

[dry perch]

EWWWWWWWWW

[thorny crag]

yeah its even worse i think

i use it when im bored just like every bad mod bc i like to do weird combinations of weapon mods that work

but uh pretty bad damage unless you kill a fodder and shreds through ammo quickly and then PB exists and its just 8390218390218039218 times better

[idle cargo]

Doom 2016 had worse mod balancing

[dry perch]

funny how micro was the great mod in 16 but eternal meh

[idle cargo]

But yeah Eternal’s isn’t perfect either

[slow sigil]

Eternal's still isnt great

[thorny crag]

yeah and PB in 2016 was called

uh how was it called? Tactical scope? oh yeah

[idle cargo]

Oh how dare I attack your precious golden cow Doom 2016

[thorny crag]

and it like didnt do anything except added a scope to your gun

[dry perch]

lol 2 shots of ssg melts a baron

[thorny crag]

siege mode moment

[slow sigil]

Huh

[idle cargo]

Oh yeah the double shot SSG was broken as heck in 2016

On top of the fact that they give you absurd amounts of shotgun ammo in 2016, so you can just endlessly spam it to your heart’s content

[dry perch]

doom eternal 2:full auto buff edition

[dry perch]

lol there was a rune for endless ammo

[thorny crag]

every mod is now full auto

[cinder geyser]

isn't it when you have max health you have Infinite ammo?

[idle cargo]

I like 2016 a lot too but it was quite a broken game

[dry perch]

armor

[thorny crag]

honestly full auto should change the shotgun into a car and let you drive over enemies with it

[idle cargo]

That’s dumb

[thorny crag]

ik but who cares

still would be better then the current full auto lmao

[dry perch]

dababy auto😳

[cinder geyser]

😳

what are you guys favourite bosses?

[thorny crag]

ig dark lord

or doom hunter just because of his music

[dry perch]

dont u mean marauder 2

[thorny crag]

you can kill a doom hunter in 2 seconds if u just know what ur doing

[dry perch]

pb rocket

[thorny crag]

litterally BP+SSG+BP+Ice bomb+Triple rockets and he deaded

[cinder geyser]

I hated the hell guards from 2016

[dry perch]

when doomguy cant break shield

wait thats the boss

[cinder geyser]

yeah

[thorny crag]

yes the weird one

[idle cargo]

Eternal’s Enemy AI is more complex but simultaneously a bit more glitchy

[thorny crag]

or maybe i actually like the gladiator since he is a bit harder to kill and i died on his fight and the music is uuuHHHHH SO GOOOD

[idle cargo]

Which is a trade I am absolutely willing to accept, because Doom 2016’s AI is a lot more simplistic in comparison

[thorny crag]

yeah you glory kill for health and then automatically after you get shot by an imp

[dry perch]

i hate that

[thorny crag]

that happened to me so many times holy sh

[dry perch]

so much

[dim solar]

gladiator theme is funny, makes me laugh aheuaheuaheu

[idle cargo]

Imps of all things had the most complex AI of the common enemies in 2016, and they were arguably the deadliest enemies as well

[dim solar]

[dry perch]

whats dumb is u can get kill by a zombie when u havee 87 health in 2016

[thorny crag]

if on nightmare

[dry perch]

yes

[thorny crag]

not on Ultra-violence tho and i only played on ultra violence and recently came back and stopped playing on level 3 because the platforming is annoying

[dry perch]

im playing nightmare doom 2016

[thorny crag]

like there is a hole and im like "i wont fall into it" and then i just do and i die

bc lava

[dry perch]

lol one time i chainsaw an imp and i fell thru the ground

[thorny crag]

i remember i thought that there was a secret somewhere in the first hell level in d2016 so then i jumped where i thought the secret is and got stuck under the map lmao

d2016 lets you go around the map way more but that opens up a mountain of possibilitys where you fall through the ground or something

[thorny crag]

i remember in one level i had a similiar situation but this time i bersercked someone on some stairs

Doom 2016 is broken.

[dry perch]

lol damm

[empty hearth]

Zamn

[sacred dirge]

It hated you too

🪱

[sacred dirge]

Early nightmare sure

Can't defend to hard though. I have a buddy who had a UN run end by a chair. Personally I've never had a glitch or issue in 2k hours or so. Just have a lucky copy I guess

[crimson ocean]

how do you get the maykr combat shotgun

actually is there just a list of weapon skin unlock methods somewhere

[burnt moss]

Thanks! Sounds like we’ve been a bit harsh on the Unmaykr

[ember void]

it was from a past series event.

[crimson ocean]

darn

wait can i not re-enter the ripatorium?

[dry perch]

idk man

seems useless to me since the game is basically shoot and die

[crimson ocean]

i need to grind mastery stuff

[ember void]

The ripatorium has been broken since launch.

[crimson ocean]

epic

[ember void]

Mastery Challenges also are easy, just use cheat codes.

[crimson ocean]

yeah currently grinding destroyer blade on first cultist base checkpoint

[harsh mirage]

am I the only one who doesn't have internet connection on doom eternal?

[crimson ocean]

no i can't connect either

steam does this every tuesday i think, smth abt server maintenance or smth

[harsh mirage]

right

thanks for letting me know

[crimson ocean]

why do you get so many leftover resources after 100%'ing the game? i have 8 weapon points, 15 paretor points, and 5 batteries

[burnt moss]

You take that back. Gladiator theme is 🔥

[harsh mirage]

goofy ahh gladiator 💀

[burnt moss]

No no no!

[harsh mirage]

you gotta admit he looks goofy

[burnt moss]

I mean, we could talk about where he pulls the second flail out of

[harsh mirage]

I'm not talking about that

he looks goofy in general

[burnt moss]

They want you to experience all the powerups and features of the game even if you’re not a completionist

[burnt moss]

I think it’s intentional

[harsh mirage]

I mean, not even 50% of the playerbase has beaten the game

I guess they were trying to make the game also casual friendly

but the levels can last for over 30 minutes so

[burnt moss]

How?

[queen idol]

Wassup fellows Slayers? Having fun rip & tear huge demons guts?

[burnt moss]

I agree. That’s why they gave us sentinel armor

[burnt moss]

It’s not the size of the guts

[queen idol]

Well as for Cyberdemon

Yes
huge guts

[harsh mirage]

I would but steam stopped connecting to doom eternal due to maintenance stuff

[burnt moss]

Can’t you play while disconnected?

[slow lake]

can we all agree that the marauder voice lines are awesome

[harsh mirage]

I can but I'm trying to get a certain achievement

and it doesn't save if you're offline I'm pretty sure

[queen idol]

Aouch.... :(

[harsh mirage]

🔥

[slow lake]

he says his eyes have been opened, MAN, have you seen his eyes! they look pulled open

[queen idol]

Marauder for me is the best mini-boss compared to others.

Mad respect for that guy

I was once MCboy Craft but i changed for a better name, I'll have to work hard.

I cannot play Doom eternal yet but i cant wait for tomorrow to play again. It takes a lot of GB haha.

[dim solar]

I mean, it's good but it has a really goofy tune to it lmao

[queen idol]

And though YouTube keeps striking down Doom eternal soundtracks?

[harsh mirage]

do they strike videos with doom eternal music if there's gameplay in the backround because I'm planning on making a montage

[queen idol]

Imagine if there was a new difficulty: journalist

[harsh mirage]

it would be the hardest one because of the -50 fov

[severe matrix]

playing eternal on xbax right now

[queen idol]

Well, YouTube have lots of hard work to take down ours badass musics. We slayers are proud of, because we always fight back

[azure oriole]

my god

[patent stream]

Cough uploading copyright

[queen idol]

[patent stream]

Also imagine making fun of journalists god get a new joke already

[harsh mirage]

people complaining about the doom 3 shotgun spread

[patent stream]

People complaining they are using something incorrectly and thus it doesn’t work

[harsh mirage]

that's hella funny because it's like game journalists not using the chainsaw and complaining about the lack of ammo

[queen idol]

I've remembered the one who was stuck like 30 mins in a map....I've lost lot of brain cells

[patent stream]

Explains the poor jokes then

[opal galleon]

Literally month 1

[queen idol]

The guy who cant do the cuphead tutorials? Cant remember his name but oh god...

[patent stream]

@queen idol my guy move on

That’s already been driven into the ground and paved over since 2 years ago

[queen idol]

Alright

[dim solar]

Hey, a classic is a classic

[queen idol]

I just wanted to talk about it but we already know what has been done

[dim solar]

goes to YT to watch dean takahashi playing doom eternal once more

[mossy nova]

can 120 fov cause fps drops ?

[patent stream]

In theory yes

Higher fov has more on screen which means more things rendered

[queen idol]

[harsh mirage]

I haven't experienced heavy fps drops with it and I play with 150 fov

[mossy nova]

admin commands

[harsh mirage]

the only time my frames drop are at the immora starting cutscene and damaging multiple frozen enemies

[harsh mirage]

You want the commands?

[mossy nova]

okau

[harsh mirage]

it's ''g_fov'' for the fov command and you can select between 100 and 150

I recommend 130-150

[mossy nova]

okay cool

[queen idol]

Here's a funny joke.

Demon paralysis: a unfortunate soul to haunt his sleep

DP: wait..why cant I move?!

DoomSlayer: I am the sleep paralysis.

[harsh mirage]

goofy ahh joke 💀

[azure oriole]

😂

[queen idol]

Not the best joke but i tried eh.

[azure oriole]

🔥

[queen idol]

You can imagine that scenario

[opal galleon]

[mossy nova]

how do i ride a cacodemon so i can clip thrue walls

[queen idol]

Imagine you ride a pain elementary instead?

[mossy nova]

wat

[harsh mirage]

do you guys play metal gear rising

[queen idol]

I listen "standing there i realize"

[harsh mirage]

do you know the zandatsu move

you use it to cut through enemies and heal from them

[queen idol]

I don't play metal gear rising sadly

[harsh mirage]

I made a 2d animation from it, no certain spoilers

want me to send it so you can rate it

[burnt moss]

So did your mother

[queen idol]

And as well btw i have my own slayer symbol

[azure oriole]

😱

[queen idol]

Go check in #artwork :)

@harsh mirage well, at least it's a good looking Slayer Symbol after all.

[harsh mirage]

I never said it's bad

I tried to say that it looks like a helmet of some sort

[queen idol]

Don't worry i get it

Mhm yeah

I tried horde mode

very addictive

[harsh mirage]

sent the wrong video damn it

[harsh mirage]

could've been better

[dry perch]

i want horde mode endless waves

not rounds

[queen idol]

Indeed. But at least something better than nothing

[marsh canopy]

just beat the game for the first time

[harsh mirage]

that could work but id software is working on a new wolfenstein game so it probably won't happen

[dry perch]

wolfenstien

[queen idol]

Imagine you went to heaven but god send you to hell for a unfinished work ,due of overpopulation

[azure oriole]

[harsh mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/armstron-senator-armstrong-armstrong-mgrr-metal-gif-25128679

[queen idol]

Demons: there's a issue of overpopulation in hell.

Doomslayer: I can fix that issue "load shotgun with malicious intent"

Demons: OH SATAN!! NOT HIM AGAIN!

[harsh mirage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965417324318433361/969450194443845632/tenor.gif

[queen idol]

Bruh.

You always wondered why hell build the gates?

[azure oriole]

Horrible evening for eternal-chat, my god

[harsh mirage]

💀

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-doom-eternal-gif-24167009

👆

[harsh mirage]

🤷‍♂️ you do you

[queen idol]

Now ive seen everything..

[mossy nova]

your mom is eternal

[queen idol]

That one burn really good

dear god

[harsh mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-burger-eating-tucker-carson-gif-22054018

[mossy nova]

jermanice

[mossy nova]

should i use the classic doom guy skin in doom eternal ?

[harsh mirage]

it's fine but there's better choices

[frigid kite]

@queen idol HOLYY SHIT SOMEONE NAMED AFTER MY SHOW???? @opal galleon @random vault HOLY SHIT NO WAY

[harsh mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/live-fazbear-reaction-live-fazbear-reaction-gif-23734459

[frigid kite]

Speaking of doomcraft when should i make episode 4

[harsh mirage]

what are the series about

[random vault]

:reaction:

[queen idol]

Oh well? I named that way because MCboy Craft has gotten way too old and outdated

[idle cargo]

Image perms?

How the heck

[harsh mirage]

nope

gif perms

https://tenor.com/view/sid-the-science-kid-jumpscare-fnaf-caption-five-nights-at-freddys-gif-24193777

[random vault]

:emoji16:

[idle cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-didney-lan-you-are-going-to-senator-armstrong-raiden-gif-24977640

I found it

[harsh mirage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/962407793485312073/962929171506552832/caption-7-2.gif

[random vault]

no

[left plover]

is there a tutorial on how to quickswap on switch?

[harsh mirage]

You're on a switch?

[green stone]

Do you guys take health damege?

[harsh mirage]

rarely

[green stone]

Oh

[azure oriole]

Tap R to swap to the weapon you previously used, and you can do this rapidly back and forth

[left plover]

ive tried that it doesnt seem to work

[azure oriole]

Odd, that's the universal quickswap method across all consoles

Unless you're doing it too rapidly to the point where you can't even shoot

[burnt moss]

Have you tried pressing it quicker? What happens when you press it?

[left plover]

nothing lol

the quickswap tip says press r but it doesnt work for some reason

[burnt moss]

Go to settings>controls>customize slayer controls and tell me what is mapped to R

[sacred dirge]

Not really. Wheel swap is more optimal

[burnt moss]

He’s saying that button is universally mapped to quickswap

[sacred dirge]

I get that but it's a dumb way to do it

[burnt moss]

How would you do it?

[sacred dirge]

It's basically all thumbmovment and learning where on the wheel to go

https://youtu.be/j6XRV-eTXf4

[idle cargo]

I can actually do it on the switch somewhat

[burnt moss]

No I mean if you were in charge, you would get rid of quickswap?

[idle cargo]

I just hold down the fire button while smashing the swap button

I haven’t figured how to incorporate mods like PB into my quick swapping yet

[sacred dirge]

Personally I like it I just dont like the dependent meta it created

Don't sorry

[burnt moss]

Dependent how?

[sacred dirge]

@patent stream knows what I mean

[idle cargo]

I would create another quick swap esque mechanic / technique that allows you to do immense damage with rapid fire weapons too

[sacred dirge]

For one example classic doom weapon balance and purpose is near perfection. The plasma has no use other than with ghosts. At least 2016 had its stun function rbur even then it was losing its purpose. Many weapons depend on single shot swaps which is fine but I'm not really a fan of a pb style play like what most great runs show off

Even in 2016 I used stupid shit like h rounds instead of rockets

But they were still viable

[patent stream]

Eternal is dependent on quickswapping to the point where on the highest difficulty it starts to want you to only use the strongest damage weapons

Which in this case are just the single shot weapons

However the master levels are what truly show this because they really rely on using only those weapons

Unless you want the super long master level to be longer

[azure oriole]

Holy Shit (apparently my lore guide got mentioned in a video)

[idle cargo]

I mean like the chaingun, heavy cannon default fire, micro missiles, full auto and the plasma rifle

[azure oriole]

full a

[idle cargo]

Something that can make these weapons viable too

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930146039745376259/973766044390940843/unknown.png

[idle cargo]

Maybe the ice bomb or the flame belch can give health / armor bonuses based on how much the enemy is shot

So you will get bonus recovery for shooting them with the rapid fire weapons instead of the single shot if they are enflamed or frozen

[mossy nova]

how do i yeet hook with aircontroll

[azure oriole]

Uhh doesn't air control kill meathook momentum or am I remembering wrong

[mossy nova]

air controll makes you controll yourself while in the air

[azure oriole]

I know what it does

But from what I remember, abrupt changes to your trajectory like that have a huge affect on your momentum

[mossy nova]

air controll only affects ballista boosting

[azure oriole]

Oh

Silly me!

[mossy nova]

air control useful for me while fighting the gladiator the first phase

[azure oriole]

I don't even use air control at all

[mossy nova]

how do i bunny hop

[azure oriole]

Hit the jump button on the moment you land

[fallen heart]

air control affects any air control 🙂

[burnt moss]

I was dreading this fight on on World Spear because I remembered it being awful. But then when the fight was over I realized I was remembering the master level fight haha.

[mossy nova]

for some reason air control makes me jump high while yeet hooking

but i mastered a little bit yeet hooking

[burnt moss]

Besides the Dark Lord, is any part of TAG 2 going to be really hard?

[ivory ore]

Maybe the second to last arena of the third level. I think reclaimed earth got updated as well

[azure oriole]

For some reason I still have trouble with the 1st arena in reclaimed earth

Not the outside area but indoors

The updated finale is kinda tough methinks

[burnt moss]

What did they change? Also, which update?

[ivory ore]

6.66, and I don’t remember

[harsh mirage]

they improved some stages of tag 2 so they don't feel empty

but they still do, could've improved a little more

immora doesn't need to change since they already got some good arenas like the double marauder with screechers

it got like 2-3 of my ultra nightmare runs

the best arena in tag 2 in my opinion

[pseudo thistle]

i got cocky and forgot about the screechers

wouldve beaten UN in one attempt if not for that

[harsh mirage]

[burnt moss]

6.66 v1 or v2? The latest one hasn’t hit Switch yet is why I ask

[harsh mirage]

they did changes to tag 2 in 6.66 in neither of the v1 or v2

[burnt moss]

Not looking forward to doing that one again, on UV

[harsh mirage]

I think it was on release

[harsh mirage]

I found it to be the best in tag 2

[burnt moss]

UV you mean?

[harsh mirage]

what do you mean by uv?

[burnt moss]

Ultra Violent. What did you mean was the best in TAG 2?

[harsh mirage]

the best arena in tag 2 being the one with the double marauder with screechers

so you meant that you play on ultra violence?

[mossy nova]

guys is it good that i turned my hurt me plent saave to nightmare by refighting the bosses

[harsh mirage]

you switched to nightmare to fight the bosses?

[burnt moss]

I’m doing a TAG run on UV now. That’s all

[mossy nova]

and i settled on ultra violance but i made several ultraaa violance so i can level up and learned ultra violance is like hurt me plenty but harder

it was fun

[harsh mirage]

what difficulty do ya'll usually play

[mossy nova]

i usually use hurt me plenty but moved up to ultra violance because there kinda simular

[harsh mirage]

I usually play on ultra nightmare

[mossy nova]

cool👍

[harsh mirage]

do you quick swap?

[mossy nova]

yes

[harsh mirage]

I know how to do a quadruple quick swap

[flint remnant]

[mossy nova]

since the new rune setup its been super fast for me

ultra violance is like hurt me plenty but hard and also not that hard

[burnt moss]

I’ve been gradually increasing the difficulty. I beat the campaign on NM. Beat the MLs on HMP. I’ve beat TAG 1 on UV and now I’m working on TAG 2 UV.

[mossy nova]

i hate my a s keys

[harsh mirage]

it feels like I'm using sentinel armor whenever I go to a difficulty bellow nightmare or ultra nightmare

[harsh mirage]

nice, keep ripping and tearing

[mossy nova]

the only time i used sentinel armor was in the khan maykr fight

[sacred dirge]

Sexy beast

[harsh mirage]

I still remember the first time I beat doom eternal, I barely used my crucible, kept using sticky bombs and spammed my plasma rifle

[mossy nova]

how

[flint remnant]

I just so happen to check and see if anyone has quoted this video recently and just so happens to have been today

[mossy nova]

why do i have brown classic doom guy skin

[azure oriole]

poo

[opal galleon]

😱

[sacred dirge]

You're the Duke nuke to our cause brother

[burnt moss]

I only feel that way below UV. UV is closer to NM than it is to HMP.

[harsh mirage]

yeah it took me like an hour to beat the icon of sin

[flint remnant]

Lmao what cause?

[mossy nova]

my friend azura told me he talked to you before he was banned

[sacred dirge]

I mean we both technically are but no one here knows about my records lol

[opal galleon]

I don't remember them.

[azure oriole]

I don

[mossy nova]

okay

[opal galleon]

Enter key

[flint remnant]

What cause? Am I the face of a cult???

[mossy nova]

i spended 141.1 hours in doom eternal

[harsh mirage]

I've spent like 300 hours on doom eternal, feels like an endurance test that lasted for over a year

[sacred dirge]

People still think doom players can't be good if they use sticks hahaha

[harsh mirage]

what?

sticky bombs?

[sacred dirge]

Joypads

[mossy nova]

what are the 2 holes in the back of cacodemons ?

[unique spire]

yeah people who think that havent seen you play doom

[mossy nova]

me ?

[flint remnant]

Lmfao

[crimson ocean]

so i'm trying to get to the secret encounter on the right trial in the blood swamps and there's just
an invisible wall on a ledge
so i can't get to it

[unique spire]

no gogaru

[harsh mirage]

yeah I don't use controller so I barely survived the 1st level with a controller

[flint remnant]

In most FPS games pros switch to controllers from keyboard

Not the other way around

[opal galleon]

[crimson ocean]

when you have you ever seen a pro fps player use a controller

[harsh mirage]

I don't like controller, not that I don't understand people who like it with controller

[crimson ocean]

this is just lying

[sacred dirge]

Oh man this is gold

[unique spire]

yea there's people who are amazing with a controller'

[mossy nova]

what are the 2 holes in the back of cacodemons ?

[flint remnant]

Yes. Yes it is.

[sacred dirge]

Mr no life is one of the best eternal players I've ever seen

[harsh mirage]

especially dead k3y

[unique spire]

controller quick swaps is one of the youtubers that comes to my mind

[crimson ocean]

you say "pro players switch to controllers"
guh
did i miss a part of the convo

[harsh mirage]

nice, but can you back it up with a source?

[flint remnant]

There's absolutely 0 argument about aim assist in competitive play because no cimptetive players ever touch a controller ever

[unique spire]

thats a lie

[sacred dirge]

YouTube search his name

[harsh mirage]

I said it as a joke but ok

[mossy nova]

what if daisy the rabbit was blessed with argent energy like doom guy

would daisy become a god

or a monster

[flint remnant]

Lmao I'm trash at the game now. I haven't played in months

[harsh mirage]

I'll check the tag 2 review

is this one of his videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od1lDgOLwAM

[sacred dirge]

Rusty that's all

I haven't done a record in 2

[opal galleon]

Oh yo this dude made a pretty good D3 review

[harsh mirage]

can relate, I took a month break from doom eternal and I came back spamming the ssg on uv

[mossy nova]

i wished i had 23 dolars to buy the 2 dlc

[harsh mirage]

I had a massive skill issue

[sacred dirge]

Practice

[harsh mirage]

I just waited for there to be a sale so I could buy doom eternal and the dlcs

[harsh mirage]

now over a year later I know how to do quadruple quick swaps

[flint remnant]

"HusKerrs is an MKB player and the only player inside Warzone's top 10 highest earners who doesn't use a controller."

[crimson ocean]

yo am i just deadass completely in the dark about this one

[flint remnant]

As an apex player also I can tell you so many pros go use controller

[mossy nova]

can quakecon make a sale on steam ?

[crimson ocean]

ok but would you say most pros?

[harsh mirage]

probably

[unique spire]

and so the myth is getting smashed again

[sacred dirge]

Look up gougaru ps4 battlefield 1 and V

[harsh mirage]

also don't ask me anything about pro players in any fps game that isn't doom eternal

doom 1 and eternal were the first fps games I ever got into

[mossy nova]

since quake con is on my brothers birthday my godfather could buy it for me

[unique spire]

sure i can link you to quite a few high level players who are good wiht controller

[flint remnant]

I never said that

[unique spire]

like i said gogaru is one of them

[crimson ocean]

yeah i know
that's why i asked if you would say it

[mossy nova]

which is august 18

[flint remnant]

But you'll never see a controller player switch to kbm in a pro setting

[harsh mirage]

👍

[flint remnant]

At least none I can think of

[crimson ocean]

well i would imagine that

[unique spire]

im actually fairly decent at classic shooters with a controller myself doom quake duke nukem etc

[crimson ocean]

i would assume that if you use a controller as your most comfortable setup then yeah

[flint remnant]

Doom is literally the only game I can think of that is objectively better with a keyboard

[crimson ocean]

zamn

[flint remnant]

But even then still playable

[unique spire]

nah you can be good at doom even expert level with eiither

[sacred dirge]

There's a super easy way to settle this. If you use kbm and have a record in this chat right now. You're allowed to tell the other person with a controller record they are wrong

[crimson ocean]

epic

[sacred dirge]

How's that sound

[flint remnant]

Well yeah lol. When I used to play I beat each UN multiple times with a controller. My friend zadoomo as beat sgn ml on UN with a controller over 50 times

Probably more

[strange gale]

i hate how the terms "pro player" and "high level player" are used interchangeably, even when a given game has no feasible way to offer a professional career to people who just play it

[mossy nova]

im bad at pc fps shooters but good at mobile fps shooters

[flint remnant]

Idk about how warzones professional area works. I do know in apexs AGLs(?) there's definitely pro controller players that switched from keyboard

[sacred dirge]

I like how this is worded because young me gamed non stop but old me now could kick his ass

[harsh mirage]

''if you didn't have to kill the spirit with only 1 weapon then it would be fine'' if the spirit didn't need to be killed with the microwave beam then everybody would probably overlook it, even though it's great for stun locks and other stuff

[flint remnant]

In a recent tournament there was a squad with nothing but controller players who absolutely destroyed people on kbm. I promise I'm not just talking out of my ass to belittle someone. Like I said kbm is objectively better for doom. Said as a controller player who has a dedicated YouTube channel about doom on a controller

[strange gale]

think of a pro league player for example, they're employed by an org and get paid monthly on top of tournament winnings

you can't make a living by just showing up to tournaments and playing deternal, i.e. just playing the game because such a scene doesn't exist and so "pro player" doesn't apply here

[crimson ocean]

i think the fact that a spirited hell knight doesn't die from a direct hit bfg shot is kinda bad

[harsh mirage]

a hell knight doesn't die to a bfg shot in general (last time I checked)

[crimson ocean]

really? the purple guys?

[azure oriole]

???

[harsh mirage]

fuck got the wrong demon

I thought you were talking about the other one

[mossy nova]

powdered milk is delicious

[azure oriole]

[crimson ocean]

i will leak your ip address

[azure oriole]

eternal chat

[opal galleon]

Only #doom-eternal

[mossy nova]

berbrand

[crimson ocean]

what

[mossy nova]

a brand of milk

[strange gale]

bfg direct hit only deals 4000 damage to regular HKs so with the spirit resistances accounted for, that's perfectly reasonable

[mossy nova]

but the most annoying about powdered milk it sticks on my teeth

[opal galleon]

Ok

[azure oriole]

❔

[sacred dirge]

It's skill and practice. There are people out there that use their feet to play and are more skilled

[azure oriole]

Don't eat the powder

[crimson ocean]

it's how you get the flavor tho

[azure oriole]

Hmmm

[mossy nova]

fun facts: in my country theres a chocolate powdered milk maybe ? one wrong move you go die die

[opal galleon]

[flint remnant]

Yeah but my point about pro players is all in the aim assist. As someone who has played in pc lobbies with a controller I had a defiant advantage

[strange gale]

most coherent ec chatter

[azure oriole]

I've totally almost died to chocolate so legit

[mossy nova]

why do cacodemons have 2 holes on there backs

[azure oriole]

IDK

[crimson ocean]

cacodu-

[opal galleon]

AsiJu confirmed dog

[sacred dirge]

They were models/ statues. Sometimes with stands . The holes are where the stands were

Originally

[crimson ocean]

oh yeah classic doom spritwork is super interesting

a lot of it is taken from this one book with mueseum pictures or smth?

[mossy nova]

ohhh okay👍

[opal galleon]

I interpreted this in a completely different way for a second

[crimson ocean]

some guy on youtube makes cool videos about them, or made cool videos about them

[burnt moss]

I know the spot. Earlier in the level you needed to run the opposite direction of a giant door that you open. Across the swamp.

[harsh mirage]

am i the only one who find classic doom confusing and nausiating

[sacred dirge]

You don't say. Nut. Milk

[crimson ocean]

i loaded from last save and it worked

[unique spire]

turn off the head bob on pc that should deal with the nausiating part

[harsh mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/live-tucker-reaction-gif-21635119

[harsh mirage]

👍

[azure oriole]

big

[opal galleon]

fucking

[mossy nova]

poo

[unique spire]

im not a pro but even i can play with a controller without aim assist

honeslty the better you get at shooters the more the aim assist actually gets in the way in my experience

[flint remnant]

I don't use aim assist in doom

But I use it in other games just because. My aim is alright amazing with the right settings

[harsh mirage]

i played doom eternal with a controller and aim assist made me die like 3-4 times before i disabled it

[unique spire]

exactly the aim assist can make you hit or snap onto things you dont necessarily want to

[flint remnant]

Yup

[burnt moss]

What was your earlier comment about an advantage over kbm regarding aim assist?

[mossy nova]

i miss 2020

[burnt moss]

Thank goodness. I had to replay the level to get it

[sacred dirge]

2018

That was the sweet spot

[opal galleon]

2016

[mossy nova]

yes

[flint remnant]

Oh yeah in close range controllers have an obvious advantage over any kbm player

[unique spire]

id say the advantage aim assist provides is minimal once you're at a certain skill level

[crimson ocean]

no you don't

[sacred dirge]

Where things were kinda ass

[mossy nova]

i do

[crimson ocean]

every year sucked ass

[sacred dirge]

But we still had hope

[crimson ocean]

cope*

[azure oriole]

1984 best year

[crimson ocean]

literally

[burnt moss]

How so? And should I turn off aim assist?

[opal galleon]

no guys the best year was 2020 because of doom eternal ! rip and tear doomers !

[flint remnant]

On what? Doom? Idk do whatever you want. I turned it off when I started speed running because it messed with me more than it helped

I think CQS said he has his on. It's just up to the user

[sacred dirge]

I have a relatively good life but I'm still getting that shits going south feeling. Are any of you getting that?

[mossy nova]

chances of a new doom game ?

[burnt moss]

I just don’t know whether it’s helping or hurting. It’s imperceptible to me.

[azure oriole]

doo m

[opal galleon]

doo

[flint remnant]

In a multi-player game aim assist is advantage. In doom its up to you but I think it's a disadvantage

[burnt moss]

What advantage does controller have?

[unique spire]

depends on what youre used to

[flint remnant]

In multi-player games.

[sacred dirge]

Some games like bf1 where you have sweet spots the stick aim actually fucks you over

[mossy nova]

doom the eternal blazes of hell fire

[flint remnant]

The aim assist let's you focus on strafing and aim where as a keyboard and mouse player has to make huge adjustments with their arm/wrist

I play movement shooters so my opinions are kinda skewed

[unique spire]

even though i dont use a mouse i know thats not true because mouse sensitivity can be set so you barely even have to move your wrist an inch to turn 180

[sacred dirge]

By the way my old clan posted a video of me just losing our tournament in bf1. Look up gougaru bf1 for a rage clip

[flint remnant]

OK sure if you just so happen to have your mouse sensitivity ment exactly for this one reason and you're good enough to never miss a shot that close then yeah

[sacred dirge]

It happened when then nerfed my gun

Which was the BAR

[mossy nova]

whats better classic doom guy or doomnicorn

[flint remnant]

But most people don't have some insane speed for their mouse because that's the advantage a mouse provides. Precision.

[sacred dirge]

25th anniversary

[strange gale]

good control of your wrist muscles also provides precision while not losing out on speed

[opal galleon]

13k points barring unlocker usage

[mossy nova]

i still cnt get it

[sacred dirge]

Nut I still complain about how bad demonic slayer is. Do you remember 25th anniversary slayer concept ?

[sacred dirge]

It's okay

[flint remnant]

Yeah and I have amazing control over my thumb movements. I hardly miss a shot in any fps game once I get good settings. But I'm talking about the average player when I mean KB&M vs aim assist unless I've specified otherwise.

[sacred dirge]

Id lied about the concept art

[opal galleon]

Isn't the concept just the same thing but the arms are properly colored along with the suit instead of being left with their usual fleshy tone?

[mossy nova]

im a grunt in the slayer club

[flint remnant]

I mentioned pro players earlier but I've mostly talked about the average player

[burnt moss]

Ok I’ve turned off aim assist. Let’s see if I can tell the difference

[sacred dirge]

No the true concept was a demon version of the slayer

[flint remnant]

I'm not a pro but every time I play in PC lobbies I do significantly better by at least 1k damage.

[sacred dirge]

Like he corrupted but came back

[opal galleon]

For 25th Anni? I've never seen that before

[sacred dirge]

Like the zombie but better

[sacred dirge]

Dude

Okay one sec

[opal galleon]

Yeah embed that I'm very curious

[sacred dirge]

https://imgur.com/a/gF9Hyqo

[flint flame]

That’s just this

[sacred dirge]

https://imgur.com/a/IXQFr9e

[azure oriole]

Screw the arms, the bigger tragedy is the fact this pose never made it into the game

[frank ridge]

hi

[burnt moss]

Is horde mode the most difficult part of the game? If not, what is harder?

[slow sigil]

Horde is actually fairly easy though, so a ML or so would be harder in a way

[flint flame]

I will admit this is better than the final product, no idea why they changed the skin

[hushed garden]

WS ML imo

[flint flame]

Horde isn’t hard, just a hassle (and a waste of time)

Although the waste of time part also applies to UN

[burnt moss]

No it’s hard. It beat me on HMP

[burnt moss]

If it’s easy why did I die?

[slow sigil]

I once died on hell on earth, so it's hard

[burnt moss]

Given that I beat campaign on NM and TAG on HMP, Horde mode burning through my pile of extra lives and finishing me off on HMP should be a difficulty indicator

[jaunty vapor]

I wouldn't say Horde is the hardest content, but I do think people sleep on its difficulty at times. That said I think the difficulty sometimes comes from trying to maximize onslaught or getting gold bounties (especially when it's Marauders as bounty demons).

For just generally completing it, it's got a few hard encounters but the average difficulty of each level isn't that high I think

[dim solar]

I'd say TN ML is actually harder than WS because of the stupid archie and coin room since it forces you to save super weapons in order to get past those rooms without getting an aneurysm

Every arena in WS ML can be beaten with proper use of the hammer in 1 or 2 tries

[jaunty vapor]

I don't know what id put as hardest... I know I say SGN is generally better but I don't know if I'd say harder.

That said, I don't think TN is that hard overall, it's just long. I think the sewer fight is harder than coin and Archie rooms, with or without supers.

[burnt moss]

Fair. I might be generalizing when I just mean the end of it

[dim solar]

The sewer fight is that one where there's the secret encounter with a marauder on the regular level right?

[jaunty vapor]

It's still a fair statement. Sometimes all it takes is one of two encounters to make something incredibly hard. And I do remember a few in Holt being annoying/difficult

[jaunty vapor]

Correct

[burnt moss]

I feel like there were several consecutive Archie’s and that was too much for me

[dim solar]

Yeah, that one is tough too, too many shield dudes

That can melt your health and armor bars in the blink of an eye

[burnt moss]

I don’t even remember that one. I got hung up in the circle hallway and the coin room but I don’t remember that fight

I hate the limited saving on horde

[dim solar]

As the best level in the game I would place on top WS ML, the Sentinnel Hammer just adds so much more fun to the mix

Leaving all the bugs aside and playing on NM for the sake of fun

Playing WS ML on UN is a big no-no due to how glitchy it is

[crimson ocean]

ok so i feel like i have a reason to use basically every weapon in the game with the exception of a couple - plasma rifle and chain gun. every other one i feel like can be used with weapon swapping or, in the case of the combat shotgun, for common ememy weaknesses (specifically cacodenons). anyone else feel this way?

i just feel like holding down m1 is neither engaging nor efficient

[azure oriole]

I use the chain gun on barons,

[crimson ocean]

why?

also ig you can use plasma rifle for energy shields and spirits so maybe it gets a pass

[dim solar]

I certainly dont use plasma rifle for anything that is not spirits in the DLC or the first 4 missions of base game

But holy shit dude, you arent using chain gun?

You're a bold one I must say

[azure oriole]

Shield up, let rip and then hit them with the shield, takes 'em down in seconds. What's your strategy?

[crimson ocean]

nah it’s just not engaging
holding m2 and holding m1 just does not seem like it would be as effective as weapon swapping
if it is, when would i want to use the chaingun when i can just weapon swap?

how do i choose

[azure oriole]

Microwave beam's alright for finishing something off if your ammo runs out

[dim solar]

I literally combo everything into chaingun lmao

[crimson ocean]

brugh how it’s sustained fire

[dim solar]

It's my go to finisher by excellence

oof

Big message deleted, VEGA does it again

[crimson ocean]

with the chaingun i just hold m1 and it’s boring and i don’t know when to use it
with pb ssg swapping it’s technically engaging and i feel like i should be using it all the time

[azure oriole]

Seriously Vega? I can't say b1tch?

[crimson ocean]

also when y’all switch weapons do you use the wheel or do you use hotkeys

[azure oriole]

Controller 😂

[crimson ocean]

ah

[azure oriole]

I miss sometimes, so I've learnt to adapt.

[dim solar]

It depends, I dont have enough buttons on controller to bind all weapons so I have to use WW for some

But if I could I'd definitely bind them all to specific buttons

[jaunty vapor]

Most high level players use keybinds for weapon swapping. Generally the most important weapons close to movement keys to have them close by, etc.

[jaunty vapor]

Also for damage, Mobile Turret/Micro Missiles do get beat out by PB by a long shot (pun intended), however Energy Shield itself is S tier even without Shield Raze bug.

[chilly tartan]

Guys I found another snail

[idle cargo]

Alright question chat

What are the strongest Doom Demons that Master Chief can realistically kill?

[ivory ore]

♻️

[slow sigil]

fyi, pb combos on caco's are a bit better then grenade in the mouth beccause it's faster. and the chaingun is the shield which blocks pretty much all damage

also punchswaps with ballista is highly effective for caco's

mobile turret is just shit and has a highly niche use for pos marauders

[west agate]

Rip and tear until it is done.

[azure oriole]

I really under use ballista unless it's a marauder or arabalest on pain elementals.

Took me a while to get into the gauss cannon in 2016 too

[azure forum]

I agree with you. You can literally just double ballista shot them to kill them quick if needed.

[slow sigil]

You sould try out dblade, it's fun af and pretty much a top tier weapon. It's also just strong for anything too far for pb rocket and it's good for mancubi/arachnos i think

[slow sigil]

And for groups you can dblade

[azure oriole]

Thanks for the tips, I thought I'd got the hang of mancubi and arachnotrons recently but getting better is always welcome

[slow sigil]

Pb rocket also works but still, usually i killed arachnos with pb-bal-pb-rocket or something like that

[azure oriole]

Might be a bit tricky on a controller 😆 but I'll practice.

[slow sigil]

You can learn to quickswap on controller dw

[azure oriole]

Dw?

I'm learning all the little named for everything too, some are self explanatory

[slow sigil]

Dont worry

[azure oriole]

Ah! 😆 😆 😆

[azure oriole]

I base a lot of my play around shotguns, I always have in FPS's since Doom II. Timesplitters, Borderlands, you name it. It's a very hard habit to break. 😕 I enjoy it till the 💩 hits the fan and I'm surrounded by heavies and I panic.

[ocean cedar]

What's the easiest UN? I have completed tag2 and sgn so far

like, which one do I do next

[slow sigil]

Mars core and taras nabad i guess, then tag1 and then bsse game if you still arent bored of eternal
Idk about world spear, havent played it

[ivory ore]

I’m hungry

[acoustic lark]

What happens in the ripatorium, stays in the ripatorium.

[covert fable]

fighting the khan maykr on my first playthrough

[zinc cobalt]

i use meme beam a lot now to interrupt enemy animations

[covert fable]

chain gun makes this ez

[slow sigil]

Try lock on, even easier

[ivory ore]

Heh

[zinc cobalt]

i personally can't stand how chain gun slows me down. id rather prime and fire the micromissiles for sustained burst.

also, i just PB rocket

[slow sigil]

Not only it slows you down, but it's dps aint even that great

[zinc cobalt]

yeah and that's its only use lol

like you can justify i think just about anything other than chaingun. Heck, even full auto.

oh wait, unmaykr lmao

[covert fable]

micromissiles are even quicker

especially with its mastery

should i use my BFG on the Khan Unmaykr, or save it for the icon of sin?

[zinc cobalt]

she said easier tho. and id argue lock on is easier to use than micro

you dont need bfg for any of them btw

[covert fable]

yes, but the bfg can destroy one body part on the icon of sin with one shot

[ivory ore]

Yknow what’s even faster? @slow sigil tell em

[zinc cobalt]

just PB rocket

[slow sigil]

slobs

[ivory ore]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-cat-kitty-tears-gif-24106422

[covert fable]

anyway khan maykr is defeated

[ivory ore]

No killai

[covert fable]

that was quick, quicker then gladiator might i add

[zinc cobalt]

have you done tag 1 boss?

[slow sigil]

Shes easier

[slow sigil]

Doesnt that fuck uo bossfights though

[ivory ore]

I wouldn’t know

[covert fable]

ready to have my ass whooped by the icon of sin

[zinc cobalt]

ios is not that difficult lol

infinite crubicle for armour

[covert fable]

i've been told its really difficult though

[empty shore]

Hey guys I've just joined the group if that's okay I'm a massive fan and have been for 18 years since I was a child it'll be great seeing you

[azure oriole]

Hiya! I'm fairly new here too and a longtime Doom fan like yourself.

[zinc cobalt]

it's not

it's imo easier than gladiator

[empty shore]

Thanks awasteofammo good to see you too

[azure oriole]

👍

[empty shore]

Hey memiya good to see you it seems you're a fan as well

[zinc cobalt]

hello

[empty shore]

👍

[azure oriole]

Really? I must have got lucky with gladiator then, cos I sucked with the icon

and Khan Makyr, and Doom Hunter first playthrough. Imagine my delight finding more of them! 😆

[covert fable]

doom

why did you just waste my bfg shot, i was shooting, my shotgun ran out of ammo, and you decided to pull out the BFG

even though my other guns had ammo

[ivory ore]

Bc you don’t use it enough

[covert fable]

this icon of hell fight is chaotic

not exactly hard

i am abusing the crucible like 50's husbands did their wives though

[zinc cobalt]

IoS telegraphs his attacks and you have infinite armour, HP, ammo, and a lot of terrain to hide and move about. He's definitely easier than gladiator, which is essentially a reaction speed check.

[covert fable]

beat icon stage 1

what to expect on stage 2

[zinc cobalt]

More attacks

Just watch a guide vid lol

[covert fable]

beat him

[zinc cobalt]

nice

[covert fable]

noob, let me send images

[tardy crescent]

Am i only one who likes marauders

[idle cargo]

I mean technically you have health, armor and infinite ammo with every fight

Also I actually found the Icon to be the hardest boss in the main game by far

I though the Gladiator and especially the Khan Maykr were easy in comparison

[ocean cedar]

My levels reset when I got to 250 :/

[idle cargo]

I think that is rank ascension

You get a star and you earn more by doing that repeatedly

[slow sigil]

If they werent buggy asses i would accept them

[ocean cedar]

so you get a little star each 250 levels?

[idle cargo]

You really must be playing a different game @slow sigil

[queen idol]

My Doom eternal is almost done downloading

[idle cargo]

Eventually you get a ton which is a huge display of power

[idle cargo]

The Marauders mostly worked for me

[slow sigil]

Look at the pings

[ocean cedar]

it doesn't follow that system

I am level 17 and only got the first silver star one

[brittle quest]

[idle cargo]

Doom 2016’s AI was a lot weaker in comparison

Except for Imps, which were intentionally gutted to nerf them (they used to be able to climb on walls)

[queen idol]

"headpat daisy"

[idle cargo]

The reason 2016’s AI isn’t as buggy is mainly because it’s less complex for the most part and therefore easier to program

[queen idol]

2016 has at least more berserk kills which is impressive, like tearing in half a imp

[azure oriole]

I wish Arachnotrons did this more.

[queen idol]

So I'm doing the nightmare difficulty, been 9 months i haven't played so ill be rusty jez.

[idle cargo]

I agree, also it’s understandable for them to be able to traverse walls and ceilings

[azure oriole]

There's one moment in Cultist Base (?) where an Arachnotron is clinging to the ceiling when you first encounter it? Was really neat. I wish there were more moments like that in Eternal

[idle cargo]

Since they are heavy demons and therefore have bigger hitboxes and are less in numbers

[queen idol]

Easy to not miss with that size

[tardy crescent]

How many hours ? I had 7

[idle cargo]

Imps however were really fast, small bitbox and very numerous. Plus they had a habit of keeping a distance from the player.

[queen idol]

45 mins for me, just needs my data of my game

And as well btw about profile picture, it is a rig model of the praetor suit made by a doom fan, has grenade launcher + the retract knife on the left arm :)

[tardy crescent]

They arent buggy

[queen idol]

AAND...he also made the super shotgun with the meathook

My friend is incredibly creative

[tardy crescent]

Wait is that mod ?

[queen idol]

Naahh its via a "rig" of mc stuff, he recreates the weapons into 3D model bench etc. No modding. Pure creativity of a eternal slayer

[random vault]

huh

[queen idol]

I cant send those pictures here so i can only show in dm.

[random vault]

:emoji16:

[queen idol]

??

[pseudo thistle]

[queen idol]

Oooh

[last hamlet]

emoji16

But no nitro

[queen idol]

Man. Whenever i install doom eternal I lose my level.

But at least not my cosmetics is a good thing

[last hamlet]

The floor you're on just vanishes?

[queen idol]

Well, levels does not matter anyway

[pseudo thistle]

what level were you

[queen idol]

I think level 60 or more in the other console.

[last hamlet]

Yes they do. If youre on the first floor and your entire level just suddenly dissappears then the second floor will fall on you

[queen idol]

I see.

[vernal wharf]

And also in the middle of Final Sin before the first marauder encounter there, but yeah there definitely should have been more moments where they were on the walls

[queen idol]

God DAMN it....I lost my champion podium

[pseudo thistle]

what was that one again?

[slow sigil]

Attacking them in the first few frames of his green eyes attack still blocks the attack.
Shooting the dog right after he summons one resummons one.
Friendly fire activating the shield (is a bug, ID just accepted it).
The dog literally not having like half it's walking animations.
Think it's about it, i think marauders freaking out on weird geogophry has been fixed

[pseudo thistle]

But in small spaces they don’t work right

Also buffed marauders have their own issues

[jolly tinsel]

[brittle quest]

The dog has like three fucking animations, it can't even follow you through ledges, it has to use basic pathfinding

[slow sigil]

It's fragile AI completely melts once buffed

[queen idol]

For a warmup I'll go to ultra-violence difficulty.

[tardy crescent]

Now are you complaining just because they are beating your ass or you dont like them

[queen idol]

I need my reflex back

[pseudo thistle]

hey what is the champion podium again?

[pseudo thistle]

No, those are legitimate bugs that most of us have learned to work around

[slow sigil]

??? Literally every point i said was an actual issue with them, i'm not at all complaining they are hard because they simply are not. Literally just bal ssg bal

[queen idol]

I think it's the background. Not the podium i think...

[pseudo thistle]

I forgot about backgrounds, I always leave it on world spear

[jaunty vapor]

"they're not buggy"
-lists bugs factually-
"That's just like, your opinion man"

[brittle quest]

Points out legitimate flaw in an enemies AI that makes him tedious
You're bad for complaining

[queen idol]

Time to save the earth once more.

✊

[pseudo thistle]

You do that yeah

[queen idol]

Yep again.

I've done the game like 3 times

[pseudo thistle]

ok

[tardy crescent]

I play doom eternal from release and i didnt saw any issues on marauders

[pseudo thistle]

Lucky

[queen idol]

I want the ancient gods but aint gonna happens due of my family excuse it's too violent lmao.

[slow sigil]

Then maybe you are lucky, or perhaps dont notice them

[pseudo thistle]

Either that or you just aren’t paying attention

[strange gale]

there's like 30 ways to 1, 0.5 or 0 cycle him so this is 🧢

[slow sigil]

But ones i listed definitely are there.
I hate the first frames invincibilty the most, literally getting punished because i know marauder timing TOO good

[jaunty vapor]

@tardy crescent Marauders are one of the easiest enemies in the game, and I believe their design inherently goes against the design of Doom Eternal anyways. An enemy that has a CC that completely eliminates momentum is unfun as is (cc would be ok if it wasn't so ridiculous), and the enemy itself requires you to slow down and be reactive without any proactivity from the player, whereas every other enemy allows you to be proactive in some form or another (except blood Maykrs, who at least allow you to keep moving since the trade off for them being reactive enemies is they get one shot)

[pseudo thistle]

get a steam gift card, so unless your steam has parental shit then it’ll be easy

[strange gale]

getting fucked for knowing the parry timing too well is such a good design decision

[slow sigil]

Also bloodmakyrs are something you have to notice in the background, marauders are something you have to focus on as the headstar

[jaunty vapor]

The only "proactive" thing a player can do is kill them faster/with less parries (3 cycle vs 2 cycle vs 1 cycle). Which while neat, it still inherently requires you to wait for THEM to do something first and for you to stop moving fast in an arena.

[strong ibex]

Marauders are like that one boss that's being used as a late game normal enemy

[jaunty vapor]

Even if Marauders weren't buggy (which they have been since launch, and will continue to be forever at this point) I'd still stand by their design is just bad for Doom Eternal. And it's not because "they're hard" because they're not. They're just boring and antithetical to the gameplay

[azure oriole]

I feel like a good way to make Marauders better is to just make it so after the first time you stun them, their shield is destroyed and they can't use it anymore.
-Enemy is basically invincible unless you stun him at the green light
-Once you do, shield is broken, making him a more "normal" enemy; shoot him whenever, still slings axes at you and uses his SSG, spawns the dog more to compensate.

There you go, EZPZ, still makes him a threat especially when he first spawns, but now you are rewarded for properly stunning him by breaking his stupid fucking shield and making him more vulnerable.

[jaunty vapor]

I could see this being a neat change. I still think just letting you "dodge" their attacks but still able to attack them, albeit with maybe damage resistance, would allow plates to stay mobile and attack them, while still rewarding players who focus on them and Parry them.

But in either case, it rewards the player/adds some depth.

[azure oriole]

Yeah definitely. If this change were made you'd have to give them more health; IIRC Marauders have the least health of any superheavy since you're only meant to be able to attack them in short bursts.

I could see the de-shielded Marauder having more health and generally being more aggressive to compensate for the lack of shield. Would be a better way to balance him I think.

[queen idol]

I need the air control. It's so essential

I gotta keep going

[covert fable]

i hope you like being stressed in a rather easy boss fight at the end

[zinc cobalt]

I know I saw marauders swinging at walls before.

They're not hard they're really just buggy as fk. Even pos marauder is easy

[covert fable]

i completed the entire game without it

[tardy crescent]

Marauder is made to be almost equal to player and to be challenge and you dont need to slow down

[covert fable]

it's pretty easy to do it without it

[jaunty vapor]

Possessed Maruader might be the easiest because of bugs, since Mobile Turret can easily one cycle them lol

[patent stream]

Ha they wish they had made marauder your equal

[zinc cobalt]

Yeah and his map does him no favours too. It's so easy to evade him and re stack

[slow sigil]

In a game like doom that wouldnt really work though, so glad that they didnt

[zinc cobalt]

Not for me. I find it essential for myself

[jaunty vapor]

Oh well that makes sense, they're the slayers equal! Explains why they
Use an axe
And summon wolves
Have cc
Are immune to damage and do NOT heal damage they've taken
Stay completely on the ground and have no air maneuverability

[strange gale]

"almost" he's not even close

[slow sigil]

is it really a 1cycle if he attacks multiple times

[slow sigil]

In what ways are they equal lol

[zinc cobalt]

Marauder was made to be a random dude who mixes things up lol

But he's now too random cos bugs, which the devs have accepted as feature

[strange gale]

this guy says he's been playing since launch day, but playing for 20 hours within 2 years also counts so i'm not surprised by this take

[slow sigil]

Well usually bugs are a hell to fix, but unless an official statement comes out i will still complain

[zinc cobalt]

Like, put an arachnotrons or sth fast firing behind a marauder, and he's invincible. He can fire, swing and never drop shield

[zinc cobalt]

Yeah same. I'd really like better marauder

[slow sigil]

You can shoot him in the sides if he blocks something else, the shield isnt like the chaingun with 360° protection

[patent stream]

As a recurring boss fight yeah it coulda worked

[zinc cobalt]

He's a nice enemy but just...bug

[zinc cobalt]

It also interrupts green eyes animation I think

[slow sigil]

yeah but not as an actual fleshed out enemy which is what i meant

[strange gale]

he has to face the arachno projectiles to block em so all you have to do is get the mara between you and the spider, then you get a free 1 cycle

[patent stream]

Correct. Wasted opportunity

[jaunty vapor]

Have you ever watched high end gameplay where players use bunny hops, meathook flings, ballista boosts, meathook -> PB restacks, etc to keep moving in a fight? High end players, especially in modded content, stay mobile and ESPECIALLY try to stay in the air (typically, staying high in the air is the safest as it neuters half the enemy AI in this game).

Marauders as designed require you to NOT keep your momentum as they need to catch up to you to do a green flash, and you of course can't be in the air. So yes, you do need to slow down. Unless you're already slow at the game which I guess it's hard to notice this sort of issue then

[queen idol]

I'm not stressed at all.

It's my stress reliever

[zinc cobalt]

Did you just burn him

[jaunty vapor]

It wasn't my intention to. If they take it as a burn that's on them.

Some players legitimately are just faster/more mobile, and at this point there's a huge skill gap between players that some will legitimately never notice some of this stuff.

Obviously speedrunners are the typical ones but there's a lot of players who are as good that don't Speedrun the game, just play well. It's a matter of experience and knowledge from 10s of thousands of collective hours.

[zinc cobalt]

Imo it's enough to just learn the mobility techniques. Faster isn't really a requirement.

Like I'm super slow, I quick swap barely faster than just firing the weapon again, and even I notice how the marauder slows you down

[jaunty vapor]

You're 100% on it

Stuff like knowing that meathook resets your jump/double jump inherently changes how you can approach arenas/encounters alone.

And as you said, it's more the maneuverability than the speed that it adds. I usually tell people that learning the movement is a better way to get through UN than learning quick swaps or optimal kill combos, etc

[crimson ocean]

anyone else hate that the scroll wheel cycles through weapons in the order you obtained them in instead of their order on the radial menu?

[jaunty vapor]

That's kinda lame. :T

[pseudo thistle]

yeah it’s so stupid

But whatever, my scroll is bound to jump

[crimson ocean]

the funny

[queen idol]

I took the sniper mode for my heavy rifle

[azure oriole]

good

[queen idol]

Instead to use the wheel. I use more often my balista + heavy rifle, if my super shotgun is truly optional for close quarters

[pseudo thistle]

Funny, the ssg has more range than the full auto mod for the csg

[queen idol]

Loll

[azure oriole]

im practicing quickswitching ssg + ballista + pb + rocket launcher with weapon wheel

pro tip: set weapon wheel open time lower

[pseudo thistle]

yes

do that, faster weapon wheel is better

[queen idol]

Well for me its not evident yet but the art of switching is what gives me adrenaline

[azure oriole]

yeah it's the fun part of the game

[queen idol]

Hell yes

[azure oriole]

doing that consistently while having good movement is the key to success

[queen idol]

Oh yes, i succeeded super gore nest master level in ultra-violence

Fighting duo marauder is truly a satisfaction

Am i glad to be a part of the community?

Yes.

[sonic lion]

"and I believe their design inherently goes against the design of Doom Eternal anyways" i dissagree

they emphasize doing weapon combos and learning enemy attack patterns
both are things that are part of the gameplay

[pseudo thistle]

Hugo said eternal is like driving a racecar, the marauder is like a freight train crossing the racetrack

[slow sigil]

true, but once you learn that they get very annoying rather quickly

[sonic lion]

how?
i dont find them annoying
i just kill them in 10 seconds or less and move on

[azure oriole]

The problem is they inherently discourage mobility, which is probably the single biggest part of Eternal's gameplay it emphasizes.

Eternal places mobility at a higher priority than almost anything else in the gameplay loop.

With the Marauder you are encouraged to stand still and let him come to you, which is not only lame but directly detrimental to you in situations where the Marauder is accompanied by other heavy enemies.

[tardy crescent]

[slow sigil]

and because of them being triggered by enemy fire, you are discouraged to fight the marauder together with other enemies too. and rather to first focus on everything else and then on the marauder

[azure oriole]

Yeah

[sonic lion]

your not exactly encouraged to stand still
more like keep him at mid distance
because sometimes he doesent attack as soon as he gets close enough and just waits to get right in your face

[azure oriole]

you have to stay in medium range, stand still and he will shotgun you upclose, you have to keep up with him so he does the green eye attack

Not in my experience. In my experience if I stand still he will come to me and attack so I can stun him. If I approach him, he punishes me by either shielding or shotgunning me.

You have to have him come to you. He virtually never attacks with the green light when you approach him. The game is encouraging you to be passive and defensive, which is in direct contradiction with the Slayer's play-style of mobility and aggression. TAG1 and 2's enemies did a better job of highlighting this idea, like the Armored Baron and the Blood Maykr, because their weakpoints weren't dependent on distance and passive play.

[queen idol]

And I got back my dash ability

[sonic lion]

and if you approach a mancubus they hit the ground and it hurts you badly
whats your point?

[queen idol]

And meet king Novik

[azure oriole]

blatantly oversimplifying the point
You can approach a Mancubus from the air to avoid that, lol. There is no way to approach a Marauder.

The Marauder is the only enemy in the game that blatantly discourages approaching him from any angle, in any way. He is intended to have you be passive and let him come to you.

[sonic lion]

there is though
its called stunning him first
and you dont always have to wait for a green light to do that

[tardy crescent]

In main campain you only face marauder mostli with imps

[azure oriole]

Except stunning him requires you to be passive and wait for him to come to you outside of very specific scenarios.

[queen idol]

I found Daisy

💗

[sonic lion]

you can lock on rocket him aim at the sky and shoot the rockets
and than you can hit him with the ballista because his shield will be aimed at the sky
this should work in almost every situation

[slow sigil]

you do know the ingame tutorial is kinda shittytoo right, no need to copy it's words.
if you are up close he will SSG you and use his axe attack on you, if you stand very far away he comes running at your location and axes it.
being at medium range is meh

and moving will mkae the marauder's AI fuck up faster and shotgun you when he was supposed to axe

[azure oriole]

These are still very, very specific ways to attack him lol, and the best parts of Eternal are where it encourages you to attack enemies however you wish.

[sonic lion]

you can sticky bomb spam

[brittle quest]

And is highly inconsistent even with MSC, often wasting rockets; the timing is tight. And this doesn't work in CQC.

[slow sigil]

which is super slow

[azure oriole]

Still a very specific way to attack him lol. It's very slow.

[brittle quest]

Sticky Bombs got nerfed, it's even slower than it used to be.

[azure oriole]

"No see, you actually can fight him in a fun and engaging way as long as you do Y specific tech with X weapon! Never mind the other 6 really nice weapons, those are useless here."
This just further proves my point that the Marauder's combat loop is in contradiction to Eternal's loop as a whole.

[slow sigil]

the only thing that makes the marauder fun are the good bugs funnily enough

[azure oriole]

i am aware, but that is my personal experience with him, there is range where he will mostly axe you

[sonic lion]

trying weird combos and trying to one cycle the maurader also makes him fun

[slow sigil]

true, but the tutorial is completely wrong since it's not the only one
and also if you are far away he will kinda always run at you so

[sonic lion]

next doom game shouldn't bring back the marauder or archvile
instead it should combine them both (every single ability of the marauder and archvile in one) and make it able to summon really op demons, also make it alot more mobile than the marauder

that would be fun

make it possessed too

and buffed

[slow sigil]

i wanted to say "that sounds absolutely shit" but untill the last part did i realise it was ironic

[jaunty vapor]

I don't disagree that the Marauder reinforces this type of gameplay. But I also think he's the only one that... I'd say focuses solely on the weapon combos/quick swaps. Other enemies do get easier with quick swaps, but theres other ways to get better at fighting enemies in the game. Mono already mentioned approaching Mancubi from the air, there's also general weaknesses such as single Dblade against Carcasses, hitting weakpoints, etc.
Marauder only has one (and I hate using the I word) intended approach. Most of the other approaches are buggy interactions that aren't necessarily intuitive to players learning the mechanics of the game (i.e. feet Ballista and lock-on in the air are only useful against Marauder, so it's not reinforcing gameplay against other enemies/situation).

I guess he sort of reinforces generic dash movement too, you do have to keep him at a "mid-short distance". I just think that's sort of the bare bones movement, and there's no room for growth against Marauders in that regard. Like I kind of understand Marauders purpose.at a basic level in the design of the game, but I feel like as players get better, he lacks depth that the other demons have.

[tardy crescent]

U face marauder when you know all mechanics and you have all wepons if you cant kill him or you it takes you a time then just master youre skills

That is point of game

[jaunty vapor]

I'm pretty sure I've mastered most skills in this game considering I've been speedrunning it since launch.

Do you really think people who don't like Marauder just think he's hard to beat?

[slow sigil]

watched 7 mayo videos and now cant get out of that mindset

[tardy crescent]

Yes

[sonic lion]

how many invisible walls were added ever since the game released?

[slow sigil]

as in actually or just trolling

[jaunty vapor]

Like I don't agree necessarily with Corey, but they at least can back their opinion/belief and I can respect that + understand their point, rather than "you no like Marauder cuz hard" XD

[brittle quest]

You got me, I'm a frustrated Hurt Me Plenty Player

[tardy crescent]

I have no problems to kill him only think that i hear is how is he unbalanced how is he buggy and how ist he destroyding game

[jaunty vapor]

So you're either an idiot who can't read, or a troll. Because I literally started this whole discussion REPLYING TO YOU stating that Marauder is one of the easiest enemies nowadays

[slow sigil]

and how many of us is saying the marauder is hard to deal with, cause i'm pretty sure we all explicitly said he was not

[jaunty vapor]

But reading comprehension hard 🤪

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-fans-loads-shotgun-gif-23778902

[slow sigil]

he's just buggy and annoying, and imo because of that overall i dont enjoy the marauder. not saying it's hard

[azure oriole]

Not only that but he's not even the hardest Super Heavy

The Archvile is far worse than the Marauder, way harder and more trouble, but it's also way better designed as an enemy.

[slow sigil]

yeah, cause that's the prowler

[queen idol]

I enjoy fighting the marauder.

[sonic lion]

he hasnt developed his brain fully yet, he is like an enemy in an old stealth game, he forgets something as soon as he cant see it anymore

[queen idol]

But archie is my main priority

[sonic lion]

so he scrolled past your text and forgot about it

[tardy crescent]

Im not talking just about you

[slow sigil]

fairly certain every one of us said the marauder isnt hard though

[jaunty vapor]

Must have been the wind

[sonic lion]

mgs3 bosses

[slow sigil]

only thing i dont like about the archie is that it has only 3 attacks, and never shows it's cool walking animation

[azure oriole]

Yeah I get that. He literally never walks and that sucks.

He's my favorite demon but he should walk more I think.

[sharp turret]

Just spam stickies on ground to kill marauder simple as

Fly in air and spam sticky bomb. Ez win!

[sonic lion]

what if the marauder could adjust to the player as the difficulty goes up, like getting more and more mobile as the difficulty goes up and can even use a meathook on his ssg

[sharp turret]

That would be so fucking glitchy

[jaunty vapor]

Just despawn the Marauder with spawn limits, ez win

[sonic lion]

problably

[sharp turret]

I guarantee somebody would find a trick with the marauder meathooking them

[slow sigil]

marauder doesnt have a meathook on his ssg, and tying such levels of demon AI behind difficulty would make the gaps between difficulty needlessly higher

[slow sigil]

make the marauder meathook himself off of the map

[sonic lion]

i meant add one to his ssg and have him be able to use it

[sonic lion]

he tried to do a yeethook skip

[slow sigil]

on 300 fps
marauder meathooks you
he is stuck behind a wall

[sharp turret]

I think marauders are neat and I like them, I do wish they had better ai tho

[jaunty vapor]

As much as people usually hate cc, I think having Marauders thrown axe bring the Slayer to the ground (without completely arresting momentum) could be neat. A nice counter to general air mobility. Though this is still in addition to the other changes Id personally want for Marauder

[sharp turret]

I like that they're supposed to be anti slayers

[queen idol]

Oh well, my cat is still trying to find a mortally challenged under the basement loll

[sonic lion]

I got the real question here
When doom eternal battle royale mod?

[sharp turret]

When doomguy gets added to fortnite

[queen idol]

Well. RIP & TEAR ?

[sharp turret]

I'm just waiting for the doom mtg set

[sonic lion]

that would problably be pretty cool to have if there could be a doom eternal x fortnite event in fortnite

[sharp turret]

They're doing Warhammer 40k

Doom should be next

[sonic lion]

new ai to fight in the battle royale map to go along with the other players you fight
new weapons

[queen idol]

I don't like fortnite since it's based on battle royale. I prefer overall doom.

[sonic lion]

who wouldn't love to be about to win a solos match to just get an rko out of nowhere by a baron of hell

[queen idol]

More of a stress reliever for me

[sonic lion]

how come alot of people hate battle royale?
it can be a game thats not everyones type of game but it seems alot of people just hate on it for the sake of hating it

not talking about doomcraft slayer btw

[slow sigil]

oversaturation of it on the market

around when fortnite released

[azure oriole]

Also Fortnite's perception among certain crowds.

[sonic lion]

doesent seem all that oversaturated
there is like 3 or 4 battle royales
there is alot more fps games than that

[azure oriole]

fortnite bad because kid like fortnite and me hate thing kid like

[thorny crag]

what if kid hate grass?

[slow sigil]

yeah, now. but back when BR games where the thing most big studios that can quickly pump out a game HAD to include a BR gamemode
also just fornite dominating most of gaming in that lil period (relative to the rest) which propelled epics in the industry

[jaunty vapor]

Honestly that's just the internet. Personally I think BR games are fine, and even if I didn't people can like what they like.

[sonic lion]

fortnite feels kinda hard to get in to
at any moment a kid who goes to school less than you do can just start building crazy structures on you and send you back to lobby

[queen idol]

And first slayer door done with 0 death.

[slow sigil]

when i played FN i didnt really like it, but people shit on it too much