doom-eternal

[full goblet]

Невозможно

Я старался проходить игру как можно быстрее,по памяти

[full goblet]

*он даже с чатом еле допрошел

[storm eagle]

Stop

now

English only please

[zealous path]

Sorry

[full goblet]

Ok

Srry

[zealous path]

I'm not going to cause any more problems.

[full goblet]

Can u unban him?

[zealous path]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-gif-17694601280134752069

[full goblet]

Hes sorrying

[storm eagle]

No.

Move on

[zealous path]

Sorry

Bye

[ivory leaf]

What the shit?

Why even talk russian here when everyone speaks english?

[spare marsh]

because not everyone speaks English...?

This being an english server doesn't magically make non-english speakers not exist

[zealous path]

In fact, I speak Spanish, I am a Spanish speaker

[quartz raft]

Same

[viral flicker]

im playing doom eternal for the first time and i got the first three runes. i gain a speed boost after glory killing, i do glory kills faster, and when i hold right click in midair time slows down which rune should i get next

[storm eagle]

Equipment fiend and air control. Especially air control, that one is key

[zealous path]

Hey, my build also has those two runes, along with the Blood Punch rune that releases health.

Plus the TAG support rune for weak points

[viral flicker]

alr ty

[simple holly]

So I was playing the Davoth bossfight, and I was on the final phase. I had just got a hammer charge, and after using it on the previous couple groups of the heavy/superheavy hologram demon spawns, I said "don't spawn the giant demons again" because I wanted to be able to do some damage to Davoth. And then he immdeiatley spawned another group of hologram heavy/superheavy demons.

I wish I had recorded that.

[topaz wyvern]

Jesus christ what the hell happened!?

Nevermind

[low bronze]

he heard you

[simple holly]

Fuck Davoth dude

[zealous path]

Davoth bores me, his boss fight is boring

[topaz wyvern]

Yeah genuinely the worst boss fight in any doom game ever

[low bronze]

I have to fight him later. Pray for me

[simple holly]

I enjoy it, I was just getting really unlucky this time around.

[simple holly]

Good luck dude

[low bronze]

ultra violence davoth oh boy

[zealous path]

Get ready for the most boring battle in the Doom saga. Good Luck comrade🫡

[topaz wyvern]

My very first time fighting davoth I quit and played a different level halfway through the boss fight out of nothing but shear boredom

That literally never happens to me when playing any game and hasn't ever happened to me since

[barren galleon]

Yo is anybody up for some battle mode on ps5?

[graceful current]

well thats definitely not true lmfaoo

most disappointing maybe but worst nooooo no no

[low bronze]

it's not

samur is for me personally the worse. I fought him like the other night and I was dieing quickly (but that's mostly my dumbass) but then after the second round of spirits it just ends is a boring way. He's just mid.

I honestly remember more to the fight. Like yes I wanted the fight over with because I was tired, HOWEVER i did remember being more and was dissapointed tbh

[topaz wyvern]

Literally how

[low bronze]

i have poor vision along with other things

[topaz wyvern]

I guess that's fair but I still heavily disagree

[topaz wyvern]

You cannot be serious

Name a single doom boss fight that is worse

[low bronze]

eh. after all the boss fights I've done, samur is just not the best. I haven't fought davoth in awhile and I KNOW i'm gonna hate it but at least I'll be running around in a better arena.

[graceful current]

The Spider Mastermind (Doom 1993, TFC, Sigil II) and The Icon of Sin (Doom 2/ML/TNT/Plutonia)

and some of the fights from 3

[astral hamlet]

Nah, the dark lord is aggressively shit, the two you mentioned are just underwhelming and over quickly

[simple holly]

Well thats a little different. Those games are old as fuck. They were revolutionary at the time.

[graceful current]

well yeah but if you're gonna say worst boss in doom in general

[topaz wyvern]

I'll give you Icon of Sin (genuinely can't believe I forgot about him) but Spider Mastermind? At least its boss fight doesn't drag on for 5 damn phases and at least it can't FUCKING HEAL OVER HALF ITS HEALTH

[graceful current]

if youre letting davoth heal youre fumbling

i think if they just did the giant snake final phase they planned id like davoth more

i think his first few phases have a really fun rhythm to them

but then he doesnt like actually do anything crazy later in the fight

[topaz wyvern]

Sorry for not playing the game perfectly 100% flawless.

Isn't the whole point of glory kills and flame belch that it's impossible to not take damage at least a few times?

[graceful current]

davoth is just disappointing because he could've been more

[storm eagle]

I was actually just thinking of the Spider Mastermind fight as well

[graceful current]

every single icon in official classic doom is like actually just irritating

[astral hamlet]

nah the icon fights are more just set pieces with some craziness
They’re not that bad

[storm eagle]

I like the Icon in classic doom but I have nostalgia for it and it can get real shitty quick which is...good?

[graceful current]

i do like it more than davoth but only because i love how classic spiderdemon looks it's my favourite doom design

[storm eagle]

Dark Lord fights sucks

horrible fight

[graceful current]

the icon has been used well in fan wads but like in official ones it's usually pretty bad

[low bronze]

I hate samur but i believe once i fight the dark lord again, my tune will change

[storm eagle]

I wish the Icon in 2016 was alive, coolest looking one ever

[graceful current]

doom ii's is okay, tnt's would be good if the hitbox wasn't fucked up, plutonia's is.. okay, master levels' is mid but it's more of a setpiece to end the level rather than an actual fight

[low bronze]

I haven't foungt him awhile

[astral hamlet]

true

[graceful current]

i would rather fight davoth than those tho

[low bronze]

it's lowkey creepy and I love that

[graceful current]

oh yeah 2016's icon is sick

[low bronze]

I LOVE that they used it for the podium

makes me very happy

[storm eagle]

I want that design painted on my ceiling or something

[low bronze]

Hear me out

3d printed head wall mount

like imagine going to someone's house and they have the icon of sin's head mounted to the wall

[simple holly]

Put it over the entryway outside and have it judge everyone that comes to the doorstep, deciding whether or not they are worthy to enter/J

[low bronze]

if you're not worthy it breathes fire

the door-to-door salesman will NEVER come back

[simple holly]

I wish. Itd be a great way to get blacklisted.

[low bronze]

" Dude do NOT go to the house with the giant goat head above the door! It's ANGRY!"

or i can just send the hounds

[barren galleon]

Yo dude, I’ve just opened up weekends, you cool to hop on now?

[simple holly]

Imagine it randomly judges your friend not worthy, and then it sets them on fire lmao

[low bronze]

there goes todd

[simple holly]

It was such a shame

[low bronze]

thats the third one this week dude.

[simple holly]

You gotta the Icon a talking to at that point dude

[low bronze]

yeah

[simple holly]

Maybe he just kills you and takes control of the house

[low bronze]

Oh no

[simple holly]

And this is why we don't make the Icon of Sin real.]

[inner yoke]

@everyone can anyone help my friend and i do the multiplayer acheivments in doom eternal on pc

[storm eagle]

pinging everyone won't work for you

[inner yoke]

im just trying to get help dude

[storm eagle]

Yeah and I'm telling you that you aren't able to ping everyone dude

You can just ask

[inner yoke]

i did

[jovial coral]

You missing the point my dude

understand the point that you can't ping everyone and there are 100k+ users in this server

[inner yoke]

i dont use discord my friend just told me to do it, can you guys help or nah

[jovial coral]

sure what you need

[inner yoke]

just all the multiplayer ones

on pc

[jovial coral]

What with multiplayer ??

[inner yoke]

yeah

[jovial coral]

....go on what about multiplayer like what do need help with

I can't help with a achievements thing

[inner yoke]

ok thats what im aksing, thank you

[marble belfry]

Guys what the solution to gunpletionist Trophy I get all the weapons master and the Trophy is still locked

[full goblet]

Complete the game second time

Its a bug with this trophy

[gilded tinsel]

I just bought DOOM Eternal after previously playing it on a different setup. I'm trying to move my old local save files over to my new installation, but the game is throwing a "this save is corrupt" error. Am I just cooked 🫠

[drowsy wedge]

its hard to migrate save files yeah

[stiff badger]

Only thing they fear....

[dim tartan]

can anyone help my game wont open

[topaz wyvern]

What platform are you playing on

[dim tartan]

steam

the game was launching before but then i decided to update my drivers (which are for some reason bugged too) and now it opens for a few seconds then closes

[topaz wyvern]

Try verifying the integrity of the game files

[dim tartan]

i tried didnt work

i also cant seem to fix my graphics driver but thats a seperate problem ig

other games seem to be working fine

[full goblet]

This happened for me too

Idk how to solve it

[dim tartan]

what did u do to fix it

ugh

[full goblet]

Doom 2016 works fine to you?

[dim tartan]

dont have it

[full goblet]

Try this

[dim tartan]

the problem is my game wont start at all now

it opens for a few seconds then closes by itself

[zealous path]

[dim tartan]

no

[smoky mantle]

Hey there fellow Slayers or whatever you call each other

I have a question regarding the cultist base level. I can't open the Slayer Gate, even though I have the key. I must have collected it in a earlier playthrough. Now there is no key to collect but I can't with the gate at all. Any advice other than deleting my entire progress?

[full goblet]

What cpu and gpu do u have

[dim tartan]

intel core i5 and rtx 2050 i think

[naive moon]

Have you tried restarting your level/game to see if that helps?

[wraith spoke]

Are your cheats on

[full goblet]

Strange

[strange girder]

hello people. just joined to ask a question. i am trying to 100% the game on ps5 and i have all the runes but there is one more makyr device and i cant collect it(prob because i have all 9 runes) is there any way to fix that?

[smoky mantle]

Yeaahhmaybe

[smoky mantle]

Yeah

[wraith spoke]

Go out of cultist base and disable cheats

[smoky mantle]

I'll try

[naive moon]

@wraith spoke makes a good point. You may have had cheats on, I didn’t even think of that

[wraith spoke]

Thx

[naive moon]

I just completely forgot that slayer gates don’t work if cheats are on. But do they work with the infamine cheat (or whatever it’s called) since it’s not really a positive cheat?

[full goblet]

Nope

You need to disable all cheatcodes

[rare river]

So I signed up to slayer club but I can't claim my zombie slayer skin

[smoky mantle]

It worked 👍

[low bronze]

I did too i think and i didn't get it

do i need to sign up again?

[gaunt shuttle]

How do you get the golden combat shotgun in doom eternal, I've literally unlocked every golden weapon except the fucking shotgun

[patent stream]

I believe it’s beat super gore nest on ultra nightmare master level

[gaunt shuttle]

Thanks

[gusty ocean]

Well you actually have to beat it in the main difficulties, un, extra life and classic mode i think

[naive moon]

Yeah, I never even played a level with cheat codes, so I wouldn’t know

[naive moon]

How do you unlock gold weapons beside the c shotgun? I’ve been trying to figure out myself but haven’t found out anything besides the gold combat shotty

[cedar blade]

Beat the Aincent God's 2 DLC

[naive moon]

ah, oki. shame, i probably wont buy the dlc just for weapon skins

[cedar blade]

You have to beat the Super gore nest on:
Nightmare difficulty, Nightmare extra life mode, ultra nightmare, AND any difficulty on clasic mode.

That also applies to the other skins and awards from other master level completions, except for Arc Complex.

[crystal prairie]

https://giphy.com/gifs/doom-eternal-quakecon-2019-ZYExqbczBV1r6CmS4y

[solemn echo]

Can anyone help me with my problem

[low bronze]

yes? Whats the issue

[solemn echo]

Do you know the part that has the slayer gate in mission 3

[young schooner]

guys after the new update

i cant launch my game

can sm pls help

my fricking game cant launch

[uncut plank]

Anybody down to slug these multi-player achievements out 🤢

[simple swift]

@uncut plank I am

[eternal sable]

anyone got some good slayer skins??

[quiet cloud]

skull face and blood slayer

best 2 skins

[ancient hull]

delete and redownload
make sure your save is backed up

just game not save files

[eternal sable]

cheers mate ill check em out

[quiet cloud]

alr man catch ya later hooroo

[heady kindle]

why are eternal servers always offline?

[wraith spoke]

Np

[umbral yarrow]

Can't anyone help fix a problem?

When opening settings, the game just stays stuck on loading the settings menu
And it doesn't fix until I relaunch the game

PC

[tidal notch]

should i play the ancient gods on ultra violence or nightmare?

my first playthrough was ultra violence

[quiet cloud]

if u have done one playthrough then def do one on nm

[tidal notch]

its my first playthrough of the dlc but ive beaten the game

the base game

[quiet cloud]

oh

i mean get a feel for tag1 then

if u find it too difficult on nightmare then change to uvl

[tidal notch]

alr ty

[umbral yarrow]

Is there any way that I can play doom eternal offline only?

[quiet cloud]

just dont connect online lmfao

[wraith spoke]

Dont play battlemode

[valid rain]

I mean the game shouldn't require a connection at all to run it?

[full goblet]

Nope

But you cant gain achievments and play battlemode

[ripe sierra]

does anyone know how to fix the mouse smoothing in doom eternal

my mouse inputs feel really bad

[valid rain]

Vsync maybe?

Smoothing is usually a console exclusive, but maybe its also affecting your mouse?

[quiet cloud]

mouse accleration myb ?

[outer sorrel]

Im on ps5, why cant i buy the dlcs???

It says both are unavalible

[rough niche]

sometimes Doom Eternal feels like a rage gae and I cant stop playing it 🥹

game

[ripe sierra]

trurned vsync off

[umbral yarrow]

The problem that occurs to me is that when I'm not playing offline

Opening the settings menu puts the game in a perpetual loading screen that never stops unless I relaunch the game, or go offline

[ripe sierra]

and mouse accel off still finding the issue

[high valley]

Does anyone have time to help me with the 200 kills?

[gentle thicket]

Its funny getting backed into a corner by a demon and trying to dash out of it

Great times

[rough niche]

I have shed tears in these types of situations

my boyfriend gets to hear me rage

[gentle thicket]

Or when you close to killing a boss and a random demon kills you

Besides I'm not the best a shooters

[rough niche]

Oh yeah no Im awful at video games

[gentle thicket]

Oof

I must be kinda brave for playing doom with no aim assist

And the classic position

[jovial coral]

Great, enjoy the game the way you want

[storm eagle]

I agree with Saleem

[gentle thicket]

And besides I don't even have the unmakyer

[valid rain]

Fuck ass weapon anyway, enjoy your experience how you want though.

[cedar blade]

The meta is whatever you want it to be.

Which is why Doom Eternal is an amazing game.

[pulsar ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-hello-chat-doom-eternal-gif-22638125

[low bronze]

Hell yeah. I keep forgeting to turn mine off due to controller use.

[fresh yew]

Anyone on Steam who could help with Battlemode achievements

[quiet cloud]

top 2 worst weapons btw

[gentle thicket]

What are the worst 2

[quiet cloud]

worst : unmaykr
2nd worst : unmaykr

literally everyother thing has a use

[gentle thicket]

Wow

[quiet cloud]

even micro missiles and moblie turret

[quiet cloud]

am taking this gif

[vale flare]

https://klipy.com/gifs/maruder-tlc-doom-slayer

[real holly]

micro missles are way better than people give em credit for

[quiet cloud]

pb is better

why would any1 use micro missles if they can use pb

[quiet cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482514444000165958/1489872844727910530/ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter_2.gif

[austere bronze]

ehhh

micro missiles aren't bad to use, but there isn't really any reason to use them since they are worse than pb

isn't much worse than using pb, but you do lose out on some dps

they're useful against like possessed hell knights

[outer pelican]

in quickswapping?

like pb rocket dealing more damage than mm rocket

[austere bronze]

yeah

mobile turret is actually useful though because of its DPS

[real holly]

No enemy has damage resistances to the micro missiles, even bosses unlike the autoturret

pb is definitely better, but if i had to pick between autoturret and micro missles, I'd pick micro missles unless im in a 1v1 with a baron

good bc of the faltering

[real holly]

everything has damage resistances to autoturret, from bosses to possesed demons it's just so annoying, while the micro missles don't

[outer pelican]

i see the appeal, and i used it in the past, but nowadays not so much
micro missiles eat up my bullets supply
my chaingun usage is mostly limited to putting enemies in glory kill
like if i do a ballista ssg on a caco, but the ssg doesnt put it in glory kill, then i shoot a few chaingun rounds to finish it off

[austere bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5nF4BayMBg

[real holly]

my most common case uses for micro missiles are tyrants or possesed demons

[austere bronze]

like half the bullets used and significantly higher dps

[real holly]

yeah but is it charged?

[austere bronze]

mobile turret even got more damage per bullet than pb

[real holly]

you know when the micro missles get a damage increase when you kill something?'

base micro missles yeah, same level as autoturret, but the buffed ones? I'll always choose them

[austere bronze]

not even 30% extra damage

[quiet cloud]

gng just use whatever u want thats why the game gives u the 2 options between the mods

[outer pelican]

nice
i may give it a shot when i start up the game again
i like that the micro missile doesnt falter, that gives a lot of utility options, but maybe doing some frag->turret stuff could be interesting

[quiet cloud]

if u like mm more than pb and think it suits ur playstyle

[austere bronze]

still lower DPS than mobile turret, especially if you factor in the hassle to charge them and way worse ammo effciency

[quiet cloud]

just use mm

[real holly]

so true king

[quiet cloud]

but it is true that pb is superior when looking at straight up facts

[real holly]

micromissle is undeniably better than autoturret against bosses

[quiet cloud]

ngl

both are fucking useless

[real holly]

bc of no damage resistances

[austere bronze]

no, mobile turret has higher dps than pb+rocket

[quiet cloud]

gng i think we have been over this

[austere bronze]

and pb+rocket has higher dps than pb+ballista, so mobile turret gets quite good in long range

[real holly]

icon of sin gets melted by the mm, while the autoturret slowly trickles em down

[quiet cloud]

idc mobile turrest is hot garbage

u cant change my mind

[austere bronze]

sure, but that's not very often

[real holly]

their not trying to, they are just sharing their opinion

[quiet cloud]

yeye

[real holly]

not everything is a heated debate sir

[austere bronze]

then you're just wrong? if you don't change your mind regardless of what the facts are then you're just fine with being wrong

[real holly]

okay nevermind

[austere bronze]

which okay, but don't say what you think is correct then

[quiet cloud]

lemme be delusional bro 😭

[real holly]

anyhow, autoturrets main problem for me is that it encourages tunnel vision

[austere bronze]

i'll let you if you don't spread your delusions😭

[real holly]

with quickswap i feel like tunnel vision is a nonissue i can switch targets on the fly

[quiet cloud]

alr ig
i mean nth wrong with mobile turret but ngl it is kinda hard to fit it in between combos thats MY main problem with it

[real holly]

similar issue here

[quiet cloud]

same thing with mm

i mean for me atleast

[real holly]

autoturret/micro missles are only my go-to when the arena looks like it's devolved into one actual threat and the rest i can ignore

[quiet cloud]

btw can we all atleast agree that dblade and meathook are top 2 mods if u count meathook as a mod

[real holly]

i will always use micro missles over autoturret against possesed demons bc of the damage resistance difference, like why can they have resistances AGAINST autoturret bit not micro missles?

[austere bronze]

i think the root issue is that it feels so slow, both because of the small movement penalty but also because it takes a bit of time before it starts firing

[quiet cloud]

exactly

[austere bronze]

though to incorporate it you just kinda gotta switch to it and start firing, not really anything more to it than that

[real holly]

this, it's like a good version of the microwave beam in a way

[austere bronze]

for sure, and third is the shield

[outer pelican]

absolutely
personally i dont even use dblade because i want to fight the demons
but its a great tool regardless
i even tried experimenting with the full charge falter :DD

[real holly]

shit so op I don't use it

the dead ringer of doom eternal

(free immortality)

[austere bronze]

play cbt and use the shield🗣️

[quiet cloud]

i may seem like a crackhead but third for me is pb cause its so useful during early game and theres smth satisfying about popping headshots on fodder using bp swap

[quiet cloud]

i would argue its the best for crowd control

[real holly]

ngl the fist arenas of that level were pretty fun, problem is it has the uac Atlantica length issue but even worse

[austere bronze]

i can't put it above like fifth spot at best because it can be taken out of the gameplay loop without losing a lot

[austere bronze]

what level

[real holly]

i don't consider meathook a weapon mod, i consider it just part of the Slayers movement that just so happens to be attached to the ssg

[real holly]

cbt Atlantica

[quiet cloud]

ngl i cant function without pb

i like pb so much that i beat sgn master level with only pb lmfao

[real holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1508811641242910750/Doom_Eternal_weapon_ranking.png?ex=6a16e5d7&is=6a159457&hm=6c51437807b480793f513c6c409ad56dfc549463117b3cf9f55f8eb899154e7a&

[quiet cloud]

not kidding

[real holly]

my gun tier list

[quiet cloud]

since when can u post images in this chat

[real holly]

you have to link images

[quiet cloud]

oh

[austere bronze]

oh yeah that's a great level

[quiet cloud]

alr alr

[austere bronze]

if you find it too long you can always just stop playing and come back even a week later

[real holly]

i suppose

[austere bronze]

i really like the level because it's just good combat in general, with few gimmicks

i've played it a ton, even tried to like speedrun it yesterday

[austere bronze]

energy shield in its own category is crazy

[quiet cloud]

gng i tried to ultra nm the unreclaimned earth custom level

got to the last encounter and i died to a hell knight 😭

pretty sure it was the last demon left too

[austere bronze]

that's so sad, but also... how😭

un it and upload the run frfr

[quiet cloud]

i took my hand off the keyboard to drink water cause the music stopped and i thought the level was done

turns out one guy was still alive

[vale flare]

rel

[quiet cloud]

dont rly record runs tbh
i only record some encounters and upload them on medal

[real holly]

i OCASIONALLY record runs bc my skill goes out the window when im recording

the last run i recorded was Mars Core ML UN run

[quiet cloud]

mars core ml so peak bro

its the perfect mic of everything

rly good level for casual play

[real holly]

i love mars core ml, i just wish it made more Marauders i need more Marauders

I over here Marauding my shit I got my indestructible shield rn

mars core ml should replace some of its billion tyrants with one or two marauders beyond that one awesome arena

part of why i appreciate gore nest ml is that it gets creative with it's marauder encounters, from the fog to the tight nit arena with arachnotron support to the toxic floor double marauder room and the escape sequence marauders

[gilded tinsel]

yo ngl bro the dlc for the ancient gods im playing on nightmare mode and the spirits are literally the bane of my existence 😭💔 it’s not like it’s excessively hard at all it’s just annoying to deal with

and it’s even worse when a heavy demon gets possessed by it 😔

[drowsy wedge]

thats generally how i feel about all the new demon additions

not exactly hard, just obnoxious and frustrating

[gilded tinsel]

yeah i play it and its like I get frustrated cause i know ill be trying to deal with the possessed demon for like a extra few minutes when I was already trying to get the level over with

Like when you get 6 tyrants and 4 marauders spawned in the level your in

And sometimes the tyrants JUST EAT THE BFG?????

[real holly]

i feel differently, the spirit and blood makyr are challenging but balanced and blend nearly perfectly into the existing game loop. I won't deny there's a high skill ceiling for the possesed super heavies and some possesed heavies, it takes a lot of time to learn how to properly deal with them and understandably not everyone has the time nor desire to do so. Blood Makyr is similar in this regard. Oh and Spectre Whiplashes those exist, who tf cares about the big tentacle its just an environmental setpiece

one problem i have with some possesed super heavies is bullet spongey-ness, like DAMN sometimes i want the fight over with

as for the second dlc? We have such obnoxious and frustrating demons with such a baffling design philosophy you'd think they devs were deliberately trying to piss people off

like every single one of the tag 2 demons is annoying and not fitting into the game design at all

except maybe for idk the immoran soldier but like he's just a setpiece

[graceful current]

I like the Spirit and Turret

[real holly]

oh the turret

i legitimately forget it exists even though i play tag 1 alot

ig it's mildly entertaining to shoot two stickybombs at it

[zealous path]

I hate those guys.

They're added to the list of enemies I hate in Doom

[real holly]

Spirits are so weird, bc you only enjoy them if you're a sadist or have a decent amount of skill

they CAN be enjoyed and dealt with appropriately but it takes so much skill it's not hard to see why they annoy most players

[gilded tinsel]

machine girl status ❤️‍🩹

but yeah I like the turret

[graceful current]

https://tenor.com/view/eagle-reference-i-got-that-reference-baseball-caught-gif-4656907955966418579

[graceful current]

they feel the most fleshed out as an enemy

I was gonna say because they’re not just a reused model but they are 😭

[gilded tinsel]

imo spirit doesn’t really add much to the gameplay for me

like the other guy said it just feels tedious to deal with

[graceful current]

I like using the beam so any excuse to use the beam works for me

[gilded tinsel]

I remember my face when i played the dlc for the first time and they got introduced and I was just thinking to myself how annoying this was gonna be in future encounters

especially for heavy demons

[graceful current]

There’s something satisfying about desperately keeping the beam intact

[gilded tinsel]

yeah on nightmare mode when you’re just desperately trying to stay alive but you have to deal with the spirit first 💔

but honestly I don’t wanna complain about just the spirit too much I LOVE doom eternal it feels way better to me than doom 2016 tbh

[austere bronze]

you don't always have to take care of a possessed enemy first

[coarse trout]

chat i have a question,can i transfer my data from xbox to pc?

[gilded tinsel]

i’m not talking about the possessed enemy i’m talking about the spirit itself

but yeah i usually deal with them last

it’s just sometimes enemies will start to spawn in again in batches

[austere bronze]

ahh i see

i still don't think you have to kill the spirit though, if it's about to possess an enemy with weakpoints, destroy them and let it possess

[gilded tinsel]

That’s the thing they never do for me 😔😔 they always possess the goddamn tyrants 💔

[drowsy wedge]

yeah these are what i was talking about most

screechers and the other prowlers are just straight up obnoxious and unenjoyable to play against

[real holly]

the humble possesed mecha-zombie:

[gilded tinsel]

By the way could anyone let me know something? I really like doom eternal and it’s the first doom game i’ve ever played i played doom 2016 after and didn’t really like it I think it’s because i’m trying to play it like how i play doom eternal but I was wondering if maybe doom the dark ages would be worth purchasing if i like doom eternal

[real holly]

designing for annoyance

[drowsy wedge]

all 3 dooms play differently with different combat loops. you have to go into each one with the correct mindset of just learning each for what it is to enjoy it the most

dark ages is more of a 2016/OG doom vibe than eternal i'd say

but i also started with eternal and went back to 2016 and felt that it was really slow and i didnt really enjoy it too much. but then i tried it again after playing dark ages and since i knew that it was a different feel i was able to enjoy it way more.

[gilded tinsel]

doom 2016 just felt too slow and sluggish for me I really regret not playing it first since I think i would’ve had a better experience had i played the games in order

[drowsy wedge]

yeah i felt the same

[real holly]

going back to 2016 i felt like i was on a wheelchair

[drowsy wedge]

but i honestly really like how 2016 feels now and sometimes prefer it to eternal even

you just have to respect it for what it is and know the games have totally different feels

[gilded tinsel]

i just put down the game after about 30 minutes in I upgraded my shotgun and I have the rifle but would you say the game picks up after a bit?

doom eternal just hooked me cause of dashing and jumping kinda reminds me of ultrakill which is why

[drowsy wedge]

the first few levels definitely are a bit slow. once you get the double jump it feels much better

and the first hell level is super fun imo

[real holly]

true

[drowsy wedge]

and where the game really starts to come into its own

[gilded tinsel]

okay ill trust you ❤️‍🩹

I’ll try and pick back up the game today

[real holly]

argent tower had the potential to be the "this is it, this is DOOM" level in the game but they decided to add platforming over insta kill pits

[drowsy wedge]

i dont even mind the platforming it feels pretty good

and isnt really difficult

[gilded tinsel]

LOLLL no i suck at the platforming sometimes i dont even realize where im supposed to go and ill die more to the platforming than the actual demons

[drowsy wedge]

💀

just look for the green lights. thats always been the path indicators in the doom games

[gilded tinsel]

yeah i had to google it

[drowsy wedge]

i also got confused i think i remember in 2016 wondering where to go but then i realized the green lights lead the way

[real holly]

"wherever could my destination be?" Said Doomguy

The humble green light:

[gilded tinsel]

the only thing that’s annoying is like sometimes the climbable walls are just perfectly blended in

[austere bronze]

that'll just not happen if any heavy is present though

[real holly]

true

[austere bronze]

wait nvm you weren't responding to what i thought you were

[real holly]

it happens to me when i try to get the spirit to posses the doom hunter in blood swamps sometimes

[drowsy wedge]

yeah some things in 2016 are a bit harder to find

but again it just takes some getting used to and adjustment. its not going to play exactly like eternal and thats ok.

[gilded tinsel]

I was talking about the doom eternal climbable walls I remember I ran around a level for a whole hour until i finally found the wall

[drowsy wedge]

oh lol

[gilded tinsel]

like the one in the sort of fleshy levels the walls just blend in

I didn’t look up and I was like how do i get out 💔

[drowsy wedge]

🥀

[wide field]

Man if only somebody were to make a Go 2 It in Doom Eternal called "Back 2 It" or something

[harsh tinsel]

Anyone interested in some Battlemode?

[low bronze]

Do i attempt to finish the dlc tonight?

So I can start my nightmare run in main game?

I'm in immora rn

[solid zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-classic-doom-doom-1993-thug-shaker-gif-14664996525361957070

[smoky cedar]

God I love the hammer

Such a goated inclusion

[zealous path]

The Sentinel Hammer is perfect.

I love it

[smoky cedar]

I know there’s some dweebs who think it’s too strong but it’s a pseudo super weapon so I don’t see the issue. It’s not like it's screen clearing like the BFG

Plus screechers exist to balance it out

I do like how Kaiser campaign balanced it so that it takes 4 charges and requires blood punch kills. So you have to exchange one powerful resource for another. So there’s some decision making, and you’re unlikely to have both BP and hammer at once.

Which rounds it out better than base tag2. Although the master level itself is balanced perfectly around the hammer, so really just increasing the oppression does the job too.

[zealous path]

I don't mind that they're two Sentinel Hammer charges

[smoky cedar]

Yeah I think it’s fine for something like the world spear master level

Cause that shit is crazy and warrants the availability in order to keep up with the difficulty

[zealous path]

I hope they bring back the Sentinel Hammer in the next Doom, but with mechanics similar to those in Doom: The Dark Ages. And an upgrade system similar to The Dark Ages, so you don't just have to complete a special encounter to get the upgrade.

[scenic axle]

I really don’t like the hammer that thing is way too op

[low bronze]

coach put me back in the 1v5 marauder fight please the dark lord sucks ass

[simple holly]

You can't back out now

[low bronze]

I'm ALMOST there!

like second to final

[low bronze]

DARK LORD DOWN! Parts 1 and 2 on ultra violence are COMPLETE!

time for the nightmare file

this outta be fun

[cedar blade]

Completely agree. It's much less OP in HORDE mode though. You need 4 glory kills or weak point shots to use.

[pulsar ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-yoinky-sploinky-gif-21109788

[cedar blade]

I hate pain elementals.

Ended a TAG 2 100% UN run.

I had gotten passed all the hard parts too.

[valid rain]

Did you get through tag 1?

[cedar blade]

Not UN, but on nightmare, yeah.

TAG 2 is so much easier, even without the hammer, except on the dark lord.

With my controls, I can't use the hammer. So I had to rebind my controls every time I faught him.

[valid rain]

what do you have V binded too?

[cedar blade]

Oh, I play on Xbox.

I have all the D-pad controls set to weapons.

[valid rain]

Wait how?

Controller on pc or just console?

[cedar blade]

Console.

[low bronze]

I feel stupid. I didn't know the mastery tokens were for the weapons

[valid rain]

Lmao

[low bronze]

I have 2 weapons left now. That made my grind easier

[valid rain]

Lowkey the base keybinds are probably your best bet

[austere bronze]

making stuff harder to balance out the hammer doesn't really fix the problems, since it's not only much too powerful

the hammer also has issues with being poorly designed gameplay wise

[valid rain]

Yeah, I frames and a long stun

Fundementally killed tag 2's difficulty

[cedar blade]

I had already beaten TAG 2 100% UN. I even did the escalation encounters hammerless.

The biggest thing I miss out on is not being able to swap weapon mods. The only weapon that affects for me though is the balista.

[valid rain]

Feel like it just helps if you also get used to claw grip

But thats just me

[cedar blade]

Yeah, I need to do that.

And get rid of Y being change weapon, to switch weapon mod. Then switch to only using the D-pad for weapon changes.

The only reason for that is I want to learn 100% UN restricted speedruns. To 100% the game though, you obviously need to get every weapon mastery.

[valid rain]

Speedrunning on console is lowk crazy

But if you're up for it im all for it

[cedar blade]

One person on the leader boards is in top 10.

The only 100% UN restricted runner on console.

[valid rain]

restricted just meant NMG right?

[cedar blade]

My goal is just to get top 20, which means beating the game >5 minutes under 3 hours.

Which I don't think is that hard. I already know a lot of speedrun tech, I just need to learn routing.

[valid rain]

So, like, no punch swapping or any PC-exclusive tech, too, right? If that's the case, that's very achievable

[cedar blade]

Correct. Some glitches are still allowed.

[austere bronze]

there's no pc exclusive tech, and the restrictef category still allows for a lot of tech

[cedar blade]

Oh no, punch swapping is still allowed. It's also possible on controller, but not with my current controller scheme.

[austere bronze]

it'd be hard to say exactly what is and isn't tech+you'd accidentally encounter some on a normal playthrough+it's just way cooler and more fun with some tech

[night egret]

tell that to tech tied to high FPS

[austere bronze]

some tech is more effective with high fps, but those are the minority and still work with lower fps

[valid rain]

Meathook ftw

[cedar blade]

The only one on restricted is yeet-hooking. For when the routing requires it, it is still possible on 60 FPS, but its just harder.

However, the game does go up to 120 FPS on console.

[austere bronze]

i think sone yeethook skips aren't as good with 60fps compared to like 200 though

[cedar blade]

Probably. As far as I can tell though, they're still possible.

[austere bronze]

that large dhb yeethook i think gets slightly worse with 60fps

[cedar blade]

Yeah.

You definetly don't go as far.

You're able to get to the death plane though.

[austere bronze]

ye

[cedar blade]

And I just want top 20. I don't need amazing yeethooks to beat the game below 3 hours.

[austere bronze]

that's true

[smoky cedar]

The hammer felt great in the master level so I don’t know abt that. Using level hazards and enemies (screechers and laser hazards) to temper how the player is ought to use it, seems to work well enough with balance.

Otherwise, I think making it more scarce can affect the player's decision making, less abuse and more choices. It’s a pseudo super weapon after all. Like Kaiser Campaign handled the scarcity well.

[scenic axle]

The weapon is just so broken, that’s why it’s poorly designed.

[smoky cedar]

What constitutes to being broken? Chaingun shield is arguably more powerful. BFG literally clears screens. Should a thing not be powerful?

[valid rain]

BFG ammo is pretty scarce, chaingun shield only protects you really, the hammer grants I frames, a bunch of resources, and a long stun with one button press.

I feel like the difference between them is pretty huge

[smoky cedar]

I agree that it shouldn’t be as easy to get given how powerful it is

[smoky cedar]

Chain gun shield makes you nigh invulnerability, a shield bash that hard falters and does massive damage in addition to the normal gun fire.

[valid rain]

While also restricting movement, so you only really use it as a last ditch

[smoky cedar]

The problems are innocuous. Your problem with it is the lack of scarcity, which I agree with. I don’t think the weapon itself needs to be changed necessarily if it’s less available

[smoky cedar]

No, you can move fine with it. It’s not like d blade or anything

Hammer locks you into an animation, literally restricts ur movement. I’ve been killed trying to use it

[valid rain]

Really?

I've never seen that like at all

But my experience isnt everyones

[smoky cedar]

Yeah, if there are i-frames for it, it’s not much. Prolly when ur at ur peak in the air. Afterwards, Youre vulnerable.

[valid rain]

All in all, the hammer just gives way too much for so little. Two-weapon breaks, or two glory kills on any demon class is simply broken by design

I'm sure most can agree on that/

[smoky cedar]

Yeah as I said, it’s not scarce enough. But the weapon itself is fine. It’s a strong weapon. I’m sure yall would call the BFG a bad weapon if it was under a cool down

But because it’s reliant on rare pick ups, it’s more of a trump card. So nobody complains. The hammer will feel immediately more balanced once you make it harder to obtain. Kaiser campaign makes it like 4-5 charges, needing either weakpoint breaks or blood punch kills (instead of glory kills), which requires you to expend another resource to obtain it

Like anyone complaining abt the excess of resources should not like Makyr drones. The problem was never the excess of resources, the problem is that it’s way to easy to abuse the weapon. Once you make the weapon less available, then the player actually has to decide when and when not to use it as to not waste it

[scenic axle]

It’s like just the best thing in the game at its state in tag2

[scenic axle]

Yeah I don’t like those either

The ammo is nice but the health, no

[smoky cedar]

I like em

[scenic axle]

I get why you like fighting them it just completely removes restacking from the game

They make arenas a stupid amount easier with them in

[smoky cedar]

Depends how u balance the fight

[scenic axle]

Them being present makes the fight ridiculously easier to beat compared to no makyr drones

That’s for any encounter

[scenic axle]

Wdym?

[austere bronze]

the hammer provides excessive resources in all categories: armor, health, ammo, which decreases the need for strategic usage of health and armor restacking as well as chainsawing.
it also reduces the need gor good positioning (bad position? just daze everything), makes enemy prioritization less important (just daze everything and kill whatever) as well as threat management
the game also promotes efficient usage of the entire arsenal, and smart application of their utility for skill expression and depth of combat, but the hammer is just a universal solution and tool which at best does nothing to the skill expression

also, having the balance a tool with specific enemies is terrible

just making it more rare or arenas more challenging does not fix the hammer

[austere bronze]

maykr drones aren't very good yeah

[smoky cedar]

i think ur looking at the resource management too linearly. Makyr drones can alter the flow of a fight. Make it more continuous. I think they're an interesting pace changer. Gotta snipe em, run over and collect. The chainsaw itself is not just resource pack but can be used for i-frames, break the pace, etc. It's a multifaceted tool. I think having options in certain encounters isn't an issue, especially as sparingly as the makyrs are utilised. I do think the blood makyrs are generally a better execution albeit not entirely a replacement.

[scenic axle]

I mean I can just chain kill 3 of them in like 2 seconds and be completely invincible for a while now because I have 600 health sitting on the floor, that’s not good game design

Completely removing restacking from the game also isn’t good

[austere bronze]

drones can be fun gimmicks, but they aren't good enemies

[scenic axle]

They go against the games systems and design

[austere bronze]

they promote a more defensive or passive playstyle, while allowing you to just spam the highest DPS options

[scenic axle]

I’m not saying they aren’t fun to fight, they definitely are, but in terms of being well balanced they’re right behind the hammer

[smoky cedar]

Yeah i disagree because you don't have the hammer at all times, or at least shouldnt. And the game already has excessive resource provisions with certain options (flame belching or icebombing or blood punching a group of zombies, or Makyr kills), so this is just par for the course, just another option. To even acquire the hammer requires a sufficient use of the arsenal so I don't think this holds much weight. Many other tools can "trivilialise" those aspects. Bad position? Chain gun shield, or ice bomb, or frags. Enemy prioritisation? just ice bomb and d blade everything. These are just functions, they're not inherently problematic. The hammer is no different.
The hammer absolutely aids in skill expression, ultimately it's a tool you can use which isnt immediately available. The decision of when and when not to use it is no different to the function of the grenades or chainsaw. You'd be ridiculous to claim the chainsaw does nothing to add to the skill expression cause u just press a button. The purpose isn't the mechanical execution, but the real time decision making; u use the hammer, now ur down a resource and cant use it until u get it back--u use the chainsaw, now ur down 1 charge and cant instakill a heavy demon. Anyway, the stun for the hammer allows u to extend ur combos so it also coincides with the falter cycle. U cannot tell me one cycling a marauder with the hammer isnt a skillful utilisation.

how is it terrible? You tune the game in accordance to the weapons. That's kinda the point. I'm not saying make enemies invulnerable to everything besides x weapon, but create universal hazards that functionally limit the usecases. Screechers make any AOE weapon risky to use, which includes the hammer. The laser hazards account for arena denial, u cant just hammer any spot willy nilly, u must pay attention to ur position. That's why the world spear master level is built well around the hammer in spite of the hammer remaining the same as base tag2

[smoky cedar]

health despawns and ur not having 3 makyr drones lined up. Even if u did, i wouldnt even argue thats bad design, thats just good spatial awareness and enemy kiting. Sitting on a pile of resources is not exactly impossible without makyr drones.

[scenic axle]

Those other tools do not trivialize things on the level the hammer does, not even close. The hammer is the best tool for pretty much everything and you can spam it a ridiculous amount.

[smoky cedar]

not sure what criteria we are using to determine this. I think they can be used properly and improperly. I think any enemy is good under the right context

[scenic axle]

No that’s not good enemy kiting or me playing well, that’s a game issue when I can just run a little loop and get infinite health

[scenic axle]

They remove part of the games core systems which makes them bad

[smoky cedar]

so an availability issue. make it harder to get, then the spam is reduced. At least with the option i mentioned, they run under a cooldown so u will always have them

[smoky cedar]

thats kinda the game tho. ur resource stacking

[scenic axle]

Even if you reduce the cooldown you still have the issue of the hammer being the best tool in the game for literally everything

[smoky cedar]

nah, they subvert it. I dont think they ruin it.

[scenic axle]

The game shouldn’t give me quite literally infinite health and ammo on demand at the scale drones do

[smoky cedar]

but its not the best tool in the game for literally everything. this is such an exaggeration

[scenic axle]

Not really

[smoky cedar]

they stun and magnify loot. Theyre not the best dps option, theyre outperformed by lock on, chaingun shield, etc

[scenic axle]

It stuns a whole group so you can kill them for free

It doesn’t do damage really so of course it’s not the best dps option, however it gives free dblades too

You don’t even have to be good at the game and you can just hammer into a dblade and get insane value

[smoky cedar]

drones arent used in a vacuum, so this isnt realistic. You have to deal with other enemies. if ur just going after drones the whole time, sure u can keep ur numbers up but ur not exactly progressing.

[smoky cedar]

ice bomb and double frag, kill them for free (literally for free, these are on cool downs)

[smoky cedar]

so does ur other tools

the hammer is just another tool in addition to that

[scenic axle]

I can run circles around the arena and if there’s consistent drones I can clear literally any arena in probably any level by just running circles and shooting drones while getting pb rockets on the other enemies in between

[scenic axle]

That doesn’t give ammo, ice bomb barely stuns superheavies, and it’s a much longer cooldown

Hammer also magnifies armor drops

[smoky cedar]

again this is why i say it's case by case. There's a reason why drones are used sparingly in totality. It's cause they are unbalanced enemies in a lot of contexts, but they can be used well. Like if u got marauders, and carcasses, and screechers around, that strat u listed suddenly aint too useful

[scenic axle]

It’s just an unbalanced enemy because of its design, how does a different arena make it balanced?

[smoky cedar]

okay, so the ammo is just an additional boon. Icebomb stuns them long enough to get a free d blade (its literally my main method for barons and tyrants). "much longer cooldown" than what? frag? sure

[smoky cedar]

based, make sure to use them on flame belched enemies

this really comes across as whinging over a fun and powerful weapon. Can it be overpowered, sure but only in the context of a player who is on top of their resources and cooldowns as is. It can certainly be flipped depending on the context in which it's used

[scenic axle]

I can be stuck in a corner with a good 15 heavy demons, hit a hammer, hit a double bp, now I can hammer again, double bp again, hammer again

[smoky cedar]

my suggestioning to "fix" it is ultimately making it scarcer so it properly functions like a superweapon

[scenic axle]

It’s so spammable and the ability is so good

[scenic axle]

It would have to be much much scarcer

[real holly]

just stepping in to say that yes, the hammer stinky

tag 2 way more entertaining to me without it

[smoky cedar]

how would the blood punches give u the hammer?

[scenic axle]

I’m assuming you meant to say whining for this reply. I don’t have anything against people who use the hammer and you’re not a worse player for using it, but it’s not a balanced addition to the game

[scenic axle]

Breaks weak points

[smoky cedar]

i mean sure but the first blood punch would break all of them and no theres no more weakpoints

and once again, this is an argument of availability

[smoky cedar]

im saying it absolutely can be balanced around it and it has been achieved within different contexts

[scenic axle]

Where is the hammer balanced

[smoky cedar]

kaiser campaign does it well

[scenic axle]

Haven’t played that, how’s it work there?

[smoky cedar]

in vanilla: the world spear master level

[real holly]

Sentinel axe my beloved

[scenic axle]

No it’s still wildly unbalanced there

[smoky cedar]

5 charges, weakpoint or blood punch kills

[real holly]

ngl that's one of the worst master levels of the actual master levels

[smoky cedar]

nah

[real holly]

UN'd it and it was just a slog

[scenic axle]

That’s definitely better but I can’t really say how much, I’d have to play with it to see

[scenic axle]

Yeah it definitely is

[real holly]

sebtinel axeeee ❤️

[smoky cedar]

it's better than vanilla for sure

[smoky cedar]

the hazards and screecher usage balance it out, so nope. This is exactly what im getting at

[scenic axle]

Which hazards? Screechers can make it so maybe you don’t want to use it in one specific spot of a couple arenas but they aren’t a big deal

[smoky cedar]

hammer clears

[scenic axle]

I’ve even just fragged them in groups with other demons cause I’ll kill them before the buff activates, hammer makes that easy to do

[smoky cedar]

laser hazards and screechers. the latter is the primary balance against AOE options as a whole.

[real holly]

how it feels to move away from the screechers and then use the hammer 🥀

screechers already suck but you can invalidate them completely by just moving

[smoky cedar]

which requires u to assess the environment yes

[scenic axle]

Iirc they’re used indoors in a couple spots but mostly yeah just that

[real holly]

see the problem is i never use the hammer so that isn't a problem for me

[smoky cedar]

so tuff

[scenic axle]

Most of the time I think it’s actually worth setting the screechers off for a good hammer 😭🙏

[smoky cedar]

requiring u to not use the hammer beforehand, yes.

so deterrent

[scenic axle]

What?

[real holly]

the screechers should curse you like the prowlers when you kill thrm

[scenic axle]

How do you remove the curse though

[smoky cedar]

u use the hammer, even if everyone is stunned, the screecher buff will apply the damage reduction and by the time the stun expires, they will be buffed

[real holly]

actually no, you die instantly if you kill then

[scenic axle]

But because the hammer is stupid I can kill most of them by the time it ends

[smoky cedar]

i dont see it happening

[scenic axle]

Does Brutha quickswap

[smoky cedar]

if used with a screecher, definitely not

esp not accounting for enemies outside the hammer range

[smoky cedar]

damage reduction

so either u just dont use the hammer and kill the enemies without affecting the screechers

or u do hammer and deal with the consequences

[scenic axle]

I can just hammer the ones outside the screechers first and kill them with hammer first

[real holly]

simple solution: play tag 1

it's actually good

[smoky cedar]

okay so u have to assess the environment and use the hammer where best applicable

u know, like ive been saying

[scenic axle]

If using the hammer lets me complete levels that are WAY harder than anything I could beat without it how is that balanced

[smoky cedar]

lol

[scenic axle]

Or I just snipe 2 weak points and get it back every 10 seconds and it’s a brainless weapon

[smoky cedar]

because the hammer is a tool the devs want u to use. Why are we invoking this argument for doom eternal of all things lol

[real holly]

what if you got bfg ammo every time you killed any demon, that seems fair and balanced to me

[smoky cedar]

this doesnt address my point. ur chest beating rn

[scenic axle]

The only thing that would hurt my gameplay even close to as much is the meat hook, remove any other tool and the not even close to as impactful

[smoky cedar]

yeah the hammer isnt the bfg

[real holly]

"ur chest beating rn" are we 12

discussing silly videogame weapon and this fella on some "ur stressing '

[smoky cedar]

he replied with a non sequitur, it is categorically chest beat "yeah but what if i did this thing that doesnt address ur argument at all"

[real holly]

this ain't politics 🥀

not that deep

[smoky cedar]

lol?

[scenic axle]

It kinda does, you said I have to think tactically about how to use the hammer but if I can spam it I really don’t

[smoky cedar]

but the screechers prevent u from spamming it, which is the point

[scenic axle]

I genuinely don’t understand how you think it’s a balanced tool

[smoky cedar]

ur forced to relocate and use it

[scenic axle]

And spam it somewhere else

[smoky cedar]

ive literally been saying the availability is the issue. where did i say it was perfectly balanced lol

[real holly]

thing is screechers aren't in most arenas

[smoky cedar]

i dont think the weapon is inherently unbalanced because in certain contexts it's tuned accordingly. But the balance would be better if it was less available

[scenic axle]

You never said it was perfectly balanced but you are still defending it as it is in world spear

It’s vanilla state cannot be balanced no matter what you really do to the level

At least i haven’t seen it done yet

[real holly]

world spear so ass 🥀

[smoky cedar]

that is true, but the arenas that theyre in, the hammer is immediately less useful

[smoky cedar]

yeah cause it is better balanced there in accordance to the adversity

[scenic axle]

Obscenely broken and slightly less obscenely broken is “better balanced” I guess

[smoky cedar]

i think with the vanilla assets, it absolutely can because world spear master level demonstrates that

[scenic axle]

Brother I could go combat shotgun only that level if I used the hammer 😭😭😭

[real holly]

it's still unbalanced in world spear ml

[scenic axle]

It’s so stupidly op there

[smoky cedar]

yeah, it quite literally is. Thanks for agreeing

[scenic axle]

That was demonstrating how better doesn’t mean good, maybe it’s better, still horribly balanced though

Less bad isn’t good

[real holly]

world spear master level boils down to "ignore the arena gameplay loop just get hammer charges" and it's the most boring slog

[smoky cedar]

maybe ur some doom God, but it's not the case for most people

[smoky cedar]

nah, the usage of screechers and spirits make it fun

[eternal sable]

everything is good

[smoky cedar]

i have a hard time with the hammer

[austere bronze]

you're arguably provided with excessive armor, but health? no, and probably not ammo either
and making something that provides excessive resources, regardless of if you already have it or not, is bad because it's... excessive
hammer replenishing is not complex at all. destroying weakpoints? doesn't require good arsenal utilization or complex mechanics. glory kills are already overdone by many players, and they slow the pace of the game down along with not requiring good arsenal utilization.

never said the hammer trivializes anything, because it doesn't really, and neither does any other piece of the arswnal. however, it does severely undermine previously established core pillars of combat. and yeah, i don't believe the chaingun shield is particularly well designed, but in what world does that excuse the hammer's poor design?? furthermore, the chaingun shield is far from as universally helpful as the hammer; same for all of the other pieces of arsenal (frags also don't do much for bad positioning, and if you use the ice to get out of bad positioning you're punished for it).

you phrase things in a very deceptive way, or you haven't thought your arguments through. you can't ice or dblade everything. the ice literally has a 35 second cooldown, and the ammo for dblade is the most contended for ammo pool in the game, and an entire chainsaw only gives you 2 and 2/3 of a dblade (if you don't use plasma ammo for anything else, which is a terrible idea).

the thought process for hammer usage is very simple, unlike frags. the chainsaw doesn't hold much depth, yeah, but if you watch beginner or intermediate players, most of them can't use the chainsaw super well, but the hammer is no problem. the hammer doesn't add skill expression because it's mechanically simple, charging it is simple, its usage doesn't require much thought, and it's helpful across multiple categories.

[smoky cedar]

i disagree but at least u concede that its an improvement

[real holly]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-with-butterfly-on-nose-dog-with-butterfly-butterfly-gif-13282441872748349107

[austere bronze]

requiring the usage of a specific enemy to counter a weapon is inherently terrible, because what happens when an encounter doesn't use that enemy? and the hazards don't do anything to counter the hammer because you don't really move while using it

[wild rivet]

anyone able to help me on playstation boost battlemode need 100 more kills for the trophy to have the pain be over.

[real holly]

there should be a new enemy called the hammer elemental that's just a red pain elemental that deals blood makyr damage if you use the hammer

#balanced

[neon shard]

I just finished my TAG1 Nightmare run :D

[real holly]

it always looms above you no matter how fast you move

[scenic axle]

Nice!! How was the Samur fight?

[real holly]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[neon shard]

Went like last time, took a few deaths

[real holly]

i can handle it without bfg these days but oh boy was it rage inducing at one point

[neon shard]

I don’t think I’ll ever master Samur…

[real holly]

relatable

[scenic axle]

The first time I fought him I nearly lost with sentinel armor 😭😭

[neon shard]

I adore The Holt. But there is a part of me that wishes it didn’t end in a Bossfight

[real holly]

that possesed pain elemental + blood makyr combo is the true final boss

[neon shard]

Could’ve been a seperate level ordeal like The Dark Lord

[real holly]

possesed marauder i love that guy

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-22418132

[real holly]

my favorite boss and i will call it a boss

[neon shard]

I still stand by my opinion that Samur is more of a fight against aoe spam + double spirits

Not a very fun boss fight imo

[austere bronze]

they undermine other pillars of combat, and push you into a playstyle partially antithetical to how the game otherwise pushes you to play (no this is not in a good way where it creates "variety"). in cbt mods where maykr drones are used a lot (or just anywhere they're used), the player is pushed into engaging less with the enemies, playing more passively to constantly restack with the drones, and they allow you to just spam the highest DPS options (often it just becomes optimal to yeethook->dblade). and that is on top of obviously rendering ammo and health restacking almost completely unnecessary

[real holly]

Samur & friends ahh boss fight

[neon shard]

Not even. Samur & Guys he claimed to hate 😭

[austere bronze]

true, though most of it because the underlying level is quite bad, but partially it's because of the drawn out arenas and the hammer

[neon shard]

I would understand if he was accompanied by Blood Maykrs and Maykr Drones. Heck, I could even imagine eyes being there

But damn, spirits and other demons?

Doesn’t make sense to me

[austere bronze]

yeah screechers definitely disincentivize hammer usage, but they're also terrible enemies and are used in farrr from all arenas (luckily)

[neon shard]

I think we had enough turret combat in the Trial of Maligog, the Samur boss should’ve excluded it

[real holly]

basically

[neon shard]

I like the wacky platforming, reminds me of Portal (which suits the character)

[real holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1509110898768351332/Doom_Eternal_possesed_demon_Tierlist.png?ex=6a17fc8c&is=6a16ab0c&hm=fe5c318378052fee60775ba82abff8320328319f32956e766c3013dd09d86ac7&

Possesed demon tier list

the only reason the tyrant isn't higher is bc the fuckwit takes 5 quintillion bullets and rockets to be killed

bulletsponge? More like nuclear bomb sponge

[scenic axle]

Possessed shield guy lowkey rips and tears you

[real holly]

this isn't untrue but i barely see em

[neon shard]

True

[real holly]

the trustworthy stickybomb

possesed gladiator when

are there any mods that make the gladiator fight actually harder but not crazy

possesed blood makyrs are insane bc you not only have to shoot their head more than once but you have to dodge their ludicrously damaging projectiles

[austere bronze]

pb headshots feel required

cause i am NOT wanting to hit 2 headshots with the ballista

[austere bronze]

maybe offwine's sentinel prime level does something to it, idk though

otherwise it'd be the kaiser campaign

[real holly]

i still have yet to try kaiser campaign

[austere bronze]

i gave up at taras nabad

it just started feeling like everything was the exact same thing

and that's from someone who enjoys basically all cbt mods

[smoky cedar]

Do you even like Doom Eternal? It seems like the game is at odds with whatever you stand for lol.

i mean the ice bomb and blood punch can give health fairly easily. Again, makyr drones exist as well. Both ammo and health. So again it's not outside the game to do this. In the hands of a competent player, it may be excessive but that also strips the combat space of context. The level of adversity tunes the resource acquisition. Destroying weakpoints is a skill instilled unto the player, it's enemy prioritisation in addition to arsenal utilisation. Why are you acting like it's anything but those things? The process of obtaining the hammer necessitates competent gameplay. "Complex mechanics" define what exactly is complex. Glory kills are a necessary component of the game, so i dont understand the complaint here. Unless ur complaining that glory kills being a currency for the hammer charges is an issue? Which i can agree with as it shares it with blood punch. But glory kills are a function, just like the chainsaw or flame belch. "slows the pace down" lol

I am listing extant properties of the game and your rebuttal is "erm i dont think thats good either" is not a valid syllogism. I dont see how the hammer undermines anything. It provides an additional gateway to those mechanics. You use it in addition to those mechanics. The mentality that "why use these other options when u can use this" completely spits in the face of player preference, decision making and skill expression. The chaingun shield is pretty universally useful. Nigh complete protection, falters on dashes, etc. What constitutes to bad positioning? Being in the middle of an enemy hoard? The hammer is just as useful as frags in that circumstance, theres a usetime before the stun or falter takes into affect, during which u can easily be killed (has happened to be trying to hammer an archvile in world spear master level). The icebomb is arguably the best out of the bunch because it immobilising everything instantly and gives health upon applied damage. Combine this with the chain gun shield and u can correct "bad positioning" easier than any other tool besides the bfg.

I phrase things deceptively now, alright lol. You can't just hammer everything, what is your point? Spirits ignore it, screechers discourage it, marauders block it, blood makyrs will just destroy u for trying. Ice bomb is infinitely more available than the hammer and can be used to immobilise most targets (barring the ones i listed), in addition to multiplying your damage. Most contended? According to who exactly? You're framing this argument from a very narrow purview (likely your own) and projecting it to the total. Plasma was probably my least used resource as i only used it for pb ballista and d blade. You're arguing like i wont be frequently chainsawing or using my other options. I'm not solo maining plasma.

Is it simple? It's not on a cool down so there is risk involved with its usage. I dont think you quite understand what skill expression is, if there's any risk or decision making involved, and the outcome of said decision leads to further options, it can be classified as skill expression. The hammer itself opens upon sustained combo paths in which skill expression is necessarily achieved. If u use the hammer to one cycle the marauder, thats skill expression. If you use the hammer to stun lock an archvile in addition to the grenades, that's skill expression. The technical simplicity of a tool doesn't disqualify it from having skillful systems. The chainsaw is technically simple but has a variety of skill expressed usecases. Ofc effective use of replenishing ammo, but u can save up 3 pips to take out an enemy on the board (not only do u have to conserve ur ammo to achieve this, but the outcome allowed u to clear a piece from the board immediately); thats skillful usage. The chainsaw or glory kills can be used to also gain i-frames or jump out of bad situations

[graceful current]

i think both the chaingun shield and hammer are too op

though the hammer is extremely fun to use and therefore okay by me

[smoky cedar]

this requires technical ability and is just the gimmick of the encounter. Gimmicks arent bad things

[real holly]

agreed, i use neither

[graceful current]

i personally have never used the chaingun shield

[real holly]

i used to spam it back in the day

but then i realized it made me worse so i stopped using it as get out of jail free card

[smoky cedar]

i dont see how theyre bad. They serve a function and serve it well. You kill other enemies while trying to avoid these ones. Not only does this deter DPS spam (rockets will trigger them), but it's also just a fun gimmick.

[graceful current]

the screechers might be the only good tag 2 enemy even if annoying asf

[real holly]

there are no good tag 2 enemies unfortunately

[smoky cedar]

i use the chaingun shield to delete barons

[smoky cedar]

i think theyre all good

[real holly]

if a weapon is too strong i find it unfun, especially in the defensive regard

[real holly]

cursed prowlers and stone imps are the worst

[smoky cedar]

i avoid superweapons like the bfg or unmakyr or crucible

but i like shield and hammer

[smoky cedar]

they have their use

[real holly]

in my eyes the hammer and chaingun shield are superweapons too, make it to easy forcme

[smoky cedar]

just d blade imps

[graceful current]

i think armoured barons are too easily demolished, stone imps are fine but forcing a specific gun is kind of lame (they were integrated far more naturally in the dark ages), cursed prowlers are by far the worst enemy in the game design wise and immoran troopers are just pathetic (and now they're not even one hit kills so theres no cathartic "theyre so easy yess im so strong" now theyre just lame enemies)

[real holly]

it's not about use it's about them being annoying as fuck to fight

[graceful current]

blood maykrs i forgot which tag theyre from

[smoky cedar]

to u sure

[real holly]

tag 2 demons are just unfun

[smoky cedar]

blood maykrs are like my second favourite enemy

[real holly]

spirits come baaackkk

[smoky cedar]

first being marauder

[smoky cedar]

i actually like tag 2 so their addition enriches me

[real holly]

yeah you've made that abundantly clear

[smoky cedar]

likewise urself

[storm eagle]

Play the game how each of you want and chill tf out

[real holly]

real question doe do u like dark lord

[graceful current]

i enjoy immora even if i find the level design not particularly compelling

[smoky cedar]

i do.

[graceful current]

i think immora and dark lord could've been done better, but they're not like horrible to play

[smoky cedar]

dark lord is overhated. just a fat marauder, which is my fav enemy inthe game so

[real holly]

immora is ok, world spear is the only one that i genuinely think has only 2 good arenas

[graceful current]

this is why hes disliked :p

the final boss of doomguy's entire journey should be more engaging than a rehash of a prior miniboss and a prior boss

[smoky cedar]

i mean i get it but i also dont

anyway i think samur is the best boss

[real holly]

dark lord is a snoozefest, if you want big powerful marauder just fight the possesed marauder in the holt

[smoky cedar]

so its not like dark lord is my goat or anything

[graceful current]

i enjoy the rhythm the davoth fight has but i think it would've been better for him to be more of a mirror match (V2 ultrakill) or for them to delay the dlc and do the big spectacle they wished (giant dragon davoth final phase)

[smoky cedar]

possessed marauder is a bugfest

[graceful current]

world spear sucks and is way too long on easy difficulties, but on nightmare it turns into one of the best levels

[smoky cedar]

maybe. UK typically has the better duels.

[smoky cedar]

trvth nvke

world spear master lvl t1?!

[graceful current]

UK has way better bosses than any Doom game yeah, but I think a mirror match can work in Doom as well

[real holly]

world spear is a dark ages level ported into eternal with it's flat arenas

[graceful current]

that one snowy escalation arena 💖

[smoky cedar]

case by case. I think Doom has some solid encounters. Samur for instance is uniquely Doom eternal

[real holly]

i wont deny the escalation encounter and first post hammer unlock arena are fun without the hammer doe, but that's like 2 whole arenas i like in the whole level

[smoky cedar]

and i dont think UK can ever replicate it

[graceful current]

I think UK could replicate Samur fairly easy :p

earthmover lasers + spawn in heavy enemies EzPz

[smoky cedar]

nah not with the structure or gameplay loop

resource management, spirits, etc

[real holly]

reclaimed earth is the closest tag 2 gets to being good, and if you don't use the hammer and pretend the tag 2 demons aren't there it's a nice main campaign level with some spirits

[smoky cedar]

just saying words

[graceful current]

reclaimed earth is actually my least favourite tag 2 level :p

but i see your perspective i like the grappling

[smoky cedar]

theyre all great levels

[real holly]

okay I've found enough evidence for this little theory:
If you like tag 2 you think reclaimed is the least good level
If you hate tag 2 like me and the other 2 folk reclaimed earth is your favorite without the hammer

idk why it's a common pattern I've observed

[real holly]

you too

[smoky cedar]

nah im beastly

[real holly]

ok?

[smoky cedar]

how tag 2 does u

[real holly]

tag 2 doesn't do me bc it's too easy i fall asleep

[smoky cedar]

narcolepsy

[real holly]

yeah tag 2 causes narcolepsy bc its that easy and boring

[smoky cedar]

its uber difficult and fun

[real holly]

last time i checked uber difficult meant something along the lines of "actually difficult" and tag 2 ain't that

[smoky cedar]

it is i promise

so why dont u like the world spear master level

u got ur challenge there

[real holly]

what challenge? I did that on Ultra Nightmare and it was just a boring slog

the challenge was not dying of boredom to me

ig the occasional possesed super heavy was nice, but only bc the hammer didn't do shit to them

literally just the possesed baron, doom hunter and tyrant that's literally all i enjoy from this level: 3 enemies

[austere bronze]

i love the game and have over 2000 hours on it, but there are many things from tag2 i dislike

ice bomb and blood punch can give health (along with killing any superheavy or performing a GK), but it's not a ton (especially little from the blood punch), which is why higher level players never focus on health restacking and instead armor restack, since you can get much more of it. are you arguing weakpoint destruction is a thoughtful or mechanically demanding in any way process? because it's basically as simple as it can get, hardest part is aiming. hammer acquiring doesn't require competent play, or even beginner level play. GKing is already a mechanic that many beginner or intermediate players are overly reliant on. glory kills charging the hammer isn't good, yes. and they do slow down the pace (force you into an animation where you can't interact with the game in any way at all).

i'm struggling to get the point you're trying to get across in the second paragraph. but the hammer undermines mechanics by making equipment less important, positioning less important, and enemy threat management less important. chaingun shield also isn't universally useful, as it's restricted to one category (defense). the "offensive" capabilties of the shield with dashes should almost never be used, as it does more bad than good most of the time. positioning is much too complex to go through here, but at the superficial level i think it's very easy to see what bad positioning is. frags aren't as useful as the hammer if you're surrounded by enemies though; it's just a falter instead of a stun, smaller falter area, less damage, more delay, and the hammer takes you up and then down very fast which dodges a lot of damage. yeah you could throw a frag and use the shield, but if you're dying from using the hammer you waited too long with using it. ice bomb is in no way better than the hammer, and what you're saying just doesn't line up with actual gameplay

you don't even get health just by damaging the demons, lol

[graceful current]

is weakpoint destruction even like hard to do it's basically required anyway in 90% of arenas

[real holly]

weak point destruction is so easy

at least it's satisfying to do with a combo on mancubi

pb+rocket+pb and then bam, no cannons, so satisfying

it also helps bc the Mancubi is consistently throughout the game one of the fastest sharpshooters unless u destroy it's handcannons

i wonder how much more deadlier cyber mancbui would be with the mancubi projectiles and no chance to destroy their cannons, cause the green goo is really inoffensive compared to the blasts the Mancubi shoots

[storm eagle]

I'm going to repeat it again, each person can play the game however they want to or find fun. The snobbery when it comes to this game is useless and puts a stain on the community imo. Everyone is at different levels, and not everyone dedicates thousands of hours into a game. Do what you prefer without judgement and be respectful of others. There is nothing wrong with glory kills, grenades or ice bombs, shield, blood punch, using enemy weak points, whatever. Let's not deter anyone from enjoying things the way they see fit.

Please be kind and respectful to one another always when it comes to each Doom game, goodnight my slayers.

[real holly]

the most threatening cyber Mancubi are the one's in super enclosed arenas, like the one near the start of mars core

but with correct economization of blood punches and securing glory kills they become a non issue

just blood punch + ssg (and something some additional trickle down heavy cannon fire) to refuel your blood punch with a heavy demon glory kill

[austere bronze]

you are phrasing things deceptively, or you just don't know how the game works

you said you can just spam the ice grenade and dblade on all enemies, which you definitely can't. i never said you can use the hammer against all enemies, so why are you arguing against it? ice bomb is more rare than the hammer. there is a condition to plasma ammo being the most contended: you need to use your arsenal somewhat well. you not using it a lot does not work in your favor here.

there isn't an inherent risk to the hammer usage, only "risk" is that you might be able to get more value later. issue with skill expression and the hammer is that the hammer doesn't have any meaningfully skillful systems related to it. yes you can use it to combo demons, but that doesn't constitute much. the chainsaw example isn't very good, because almost the only skill related to it is using it frequently enough, the rest is just ammo management. saving up 3 pips is almost never useful unless you're a speedrunner, and using it for iframes is more often bad than good. using it to jump out of bad situations is valid though

[real holly]

3 pips are only for pain elementals

[austere bronze]

i can understand using the hammer, or liking it because it's fun, but it isn't a good addition to the game

even a significant amount of top players use it, but i don't think many of them consider it well designed

[covert lark]

I have four battle mode achievements on Xbox but they say 0% despite there definitely being some progress on some of them

Any ideas why?

[pulsar ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/maruder-tlc-doom-slayer-doom-eternal-gif-20139340

it hurts

[quiet cloud]

no hammer gng 🗣️

the modded axe is better lwk

also holy paragraphs

[vast star]

Anyone got any good modded master levels to recommend which are like harder than the official ones but not too crazy?

Can work for either the ingame mod launcher or the injector

[quiet cloud]

saleems old levels

not the master levels

they are a bit difficult

[vast star]

what should i search for on nexus mods to find them?

thanks for anwsering btw

[quiet cloud]

they arent on nexus

pretty sure they are on id's website

[vast star]

so i have to use the inbuilt mod launcher

[quiet cloud]

u should try out graveyard

[vast star]

alright thanks for everything i will check it out

[quiet cloud]

its the best one

[vast star]

i did but it was hard

[quiet cloud]

oh damn

[vast star]

hardest like main level thing i did was mars core master level UN

[quiet cloud]

btw if u want smth rly difficult try out hells abyss v2 its my fav level oat

[quiet cloud]

oh

i mean thats good too

[vast star]

i played that one mario map and selected unbalanced by accident and was questioning if i was just terrible all along, i hope this wont be like that

[quiet cloud]

oh lmao its way more difficult

even on balanced

[vast star]

yea that will be nothing for me then

[quiet cloud]

then saleems levels are ur best bet

almost all modded levels are difficult cause the people who make them are difficulty slaves

[vast star]

but thats kinda the point of a MASTER level

[quiet cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

still some levels can be very hard but fun to play at the same time

others are just straight up cbt

[vast star]

idk which level it was again but it was so annoying

like there were so many carcases and archviles behind walls and i just gave up on it

[quiet cloud]

btw if ur looking are a campaign overhaul then try out kaiser campaign its top 2 eternal mods oat for me

[vast star]

i honestly cant enjoy the campain now because of the stuff missing from the game untill you reach certain points

like with out the meathook and ballista its just kinda boring yk

[vast star]

or is this one different and you start with a full loadout and just have every level super hard

[quiet cloud]

no u gotta gather everything but u do start with one rune and crystal and the hammer

[quiet cloud]

pb bp spam 🗣️

[vast star]

is the progression at least a bit faster

[vast star]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bear-finger-wag-wagging-finger-wag-finger-gif-3240338207391852378

[quiet cloud]

no but the difficulty is much higher than base campaign a the boss fight aare atleast a bit interesting

also theres a pruple goo monster

[vast star]

higher difficulty is expected in a kaiser campain

[vast star]

does he like spray that goo from nekravol everywhere

[quiet cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041904039169896478/1096405196889935993/image0-1.gif

anyways imma dip

[vast star]

alright bye

thanks for your help

[quiet cloud]

u can send a dm if u want ill answer later

[vast star]

when im back home i will try one of the options you gave me and tell you how it was

[cedar blade]

I get that. It's the same issue for Horde mode.

I usually reset Horde moden if I get a bad weapon to start with.

[vast star]

that first weapon really decides how things will go

but i like it how your guarenteed to have everything on the 3rd level

[cedar blade]

Yeah, those last few stages are great.

Unless you get the dreaded spirit-buffed marauder.

[vast star]

he sucks but is managable

[cedar blade]

One time, a spirit buffed Baron died in a wall, and the spirit buffed a marauder.

So I had to deal with a Baron AND a murauder, both buffed.

That wasn't fun at all.

[vast star]

i can imagine

[real holly]

i was playing the balanced randomizer on urdak and saw the fabled archville run animation

[low bronze]

they run?

[real holly]

Yes it's so bizarre

[low bronze]

did you get a clip?

[real holly]

https://youtu.be/3t3mtu8hdN8?si=1Qsj2stCo_tdX5Cm it basically this

literally on the same spot and everything, for a moment i thought it was a whole ass new demon

[low bronze]

thats so weird.

I don't know why i expect a squidward ass run with their arms like a t-rex

[night furnace]

Hey i want to play doom eternal for the first but the audio cuts out in the lobby

[low bronze]

vanilla or modded

[night furnace]

vanilla

[low bronze]

Ok. Is your audio on your pc or console working properly

[night furnace]

yes its fine just doom

[low bronze]

so it's in the mena menu righ?

[night furnace]

if it helps it pc on game pass and bluetooth

[low bronze]

maybe??

[night furnace]

yes whe i load into the menu

[low bronze]

I've never had trouble with bluetooth but i don't use game past

[night furnace]

ok i found that all pc audio is cut until i close doom then back to normal

[low bronze]

there we go

[austere bronze]

all of offwine's levels, they're both on the mod portal and on nexus

[vast star]

Ty

[night furnace]

what do you mean

[low bronze]

it working

[night furnace]

no

all pc audio is gone when doom is open

and fixes after closing doom

[low bronze]

oh! My bad i read it wrong

so it's ONLY doom causing it? Try another game

maybe it's a steam thing. Also check you audio in your pc settings

[real holly]

doing Urdak on Balanced Randomizer without dying and no superweapons or shield in those two big big arenas really highlighted the need to employ hit and run tactics

in one of them I was facing 3 marauders, a tyrant and a armored baron plus a bazillion support heavy demons

on the other a similar situation but with 2 marauders

i can handle 5 marauders if you throw them at me all at once, but in an actual arena when the marauders start stacking up it becomes this sort of hit and run game until you kill all the support. Sometimes it does no harm to hit them since their so fast they can approach you in areas where's theres no support yet and you can get a few hits in

[gentle shale]

Just wanna say, whoever made the world spear master level i hope both sides of your pillow is fucking hot

Been struggling with this level for so long 💔💔💔

[low bronze]

what difficulty

[gentle shale]

Nightmare

It really is a nightmare

[low bronze]

Oh you poor soul

don't do the 1 v 5 marauder fight

[gentle shale]

Been struggling with the level for the past 2 hours and i ain't even halfway

I once struggled with this level for 8 hours straight

Caused me a mental breakdown

[low bronze]

dear LORD

[gentle shale]

This level is just killing me

[low bronze]

It can't be that bad

Is nightmare REALLY that much higher than ultra violence

[gentle shale]

Yeah

🥹

[low bronze]

ok that lets me no NOT to do the dlc on nightmare for my nightmare run

[gentle shale]

Im gonna lower the difficulty and just relax... can't deal with nightmare anymore

[low bronze]

Please do that for you're own mental health

[gentle shale]

DLC on nightmare is alright, it's just that specific master level

Lowk gonna give me ptsd

[low bronze]

Oh you're playing a master level???

[gentle shale]

Yeah 💔💔 the world spear is just impossible for me

No matter how much I know what's coming

[low bronze]

dude. no wonder you're loosing it. I ca'n't even do a normal game master level

[wide comet]

I finished the main game and DLCs on nightmare, and had to go with ultra violence for the master levels

They’re insane

[low bronze]

yeah

im not doing the dlc again

[quiet cloud]

dblades and rocket spam go brrrr in that level

[gentle shale]

I did everything, every mod, every weapon, everything

[gilded tinsel]

everytime i get a bunch of heals and ammo on the dlc im expecting bs on the next encounter

[gilded tinsel]

does it get worse for the second one

[quiet cloud]

second dlc is significantly easier

[quiet cloud]

alr

[gilded tinsel]

❤️‍🩹

[gentle shale]

Second dlc is actually my favourite ngl

Despite the master level

[gentle shale]

I'll probably only beat the level in like 5 years time

I'm not giving up

[gilded tinsel]

okay so

first I get multiple enemies stacked on top of me and barely staying alive then after I’m barely alive I also get a buff totem spawned on me?

😭