doom-eternal

[halcyon glade]

you can def do it

[scenic axle]

It's not really necessary, positioning and decision making is way more important

although it definitely helps

[pliant plover]

On nightmare tho? I was able to get through hurt me plenty without it, but I didn’t get far on my UV play though until I learned to weapon swap

[halcyon glade]

yea,you can deal enough damage using ssg and ballista,you only really want to know how to position well

[scenic axle]

This is due to poor positioning, weapon swapping can cover up those mistakes on easier levels because you will kill the enemies before they punish you for poor positioning

on harder levels you wouldn't be able to get through just with weapon swapping

[pliant plover]

Ah, I see. Positioning is definitely my weak spot

[halcyon glade]

wolfenstein told me all about posiition well

never knew the nazis had aim bot

[scenic axle]

The skill ceiling on this game is so high I love it

[halcyon glade]

def

[austere bronze]

is there any particular area in which you'd like tips?

[rapid holly]

All types: Combat, Strategy, Combos, Tactics, etc.

[austere bronze]

i find it so funny when people say "high level eternal gameplay is just switching weapons super fast" like no...

[scenic axle]

Yeah I can swap as fast as I want, doesn't mean im ever gonna un cbt atlantica

[pliant plover]

Shots fired lol

[scenic axle]

This last arena is making me crash out

[rapid holly]

I confirm, I got the super shotgun and I never let it go again.

And when I say never, I literally mean never.

Never let her go

[austere bronze]

i'll try to keep it as brief as possible, and only touch up on a couple of different things

you always want to be dashing, even if it's without a clear purpose. and try to single dash while you're doing this, which is when you only consume the first dash, then you can save the second for when you need it.
meathook often! it's a multipurpose tool, mainly for movement though. if you detach from it via a jump, it gets you into the air, and then you always have a second jump use whenever, even if you previously used 2 jumps. you can also fire the ssg right after detaching for extra armor, or meathook an enemy only to shoot them with the ssg for armor. you can't use it too much!
and don't forget environmental movement options!

never tunnel vision! tunnel visioning is when you focus on 1 enemy/a group of them, and forget about other stuff. you want to approach fights by locating high priority targets and focusing on them, but you don't have to kill them in one go! sometimes you can do it, but not always. so cycle through enemies, and make sure to restack constantly! staying in one area is the worst thing you can do, even if you're dashing and stuff. use the entire arena.

use your entire/almost your entire arsenal. you don't have to quick switch, but swap between weapons and mods to apply their different utility. this is also a good way to keep ammo uniform across guns, so you can chainsaw when you're at about half ammo.

[austere bronze]

naw, not at all! unless that's what you meant with quick swaps being essential...

[austere bronze]

the one with the eternal demons?

[scenic axle]

I hope its the last, final arena in the normal level with the blood rite

how am I supposed to kill this possessed caco

[rapid holly]

Muchas Gracias por el Consejo

Thank you so much for the advice*

I forgot to add the translation again.

[austere bronze]

you're good!

[austere bronze]

you're in the arena where slayer loot sometimes gets blocked?

[scenic axle]

yeah

[rapid holly]

When you gave me that advice that day, it was like an instinct to use the chainsaw. Ever since you gave me that advice, I use the chainsaw whenever I can. I use ice grenades constantly.

[scenic axle]

It's the last arena

[rapid holly]

The Flamethrower + The Super Shotgun Ability to Get More Shield

[austere bronze]

at least my biggest issue there was that i tried to DPS the revenant and manc too hard

[scenic axle]

what does the blood rite mean

[rapid holly]

NEVER USE THE BFG IN THE CAMPAIGN

I swear to you by the Dark Lord

[austere bronze]

it's usually when you need to kill some demons with a spinny yellow thing around them to be able to kill the eternal demons (with a yellow mist around them)

you just need to kill the super op revenant and mancubus basically

[scenic axle]

oh my im stupid

that explains why the green caco was immortal

[austere bronze]

the manc and rev will heal oncr when you deal a bit of damage, but never again fortunately

[scenic axle]

no I killed those already, im on the next part after the checkpoint

I think it's the very last wave

[austere bronze]

ohh

yess it is

[scenic axle]

I keep dying because im focusing the caco i didn't know I had to kill the other things first 💀💀

i was wondering how that thing survived 13 rockets and 8 arbalest shots

[austere bronze]

😭

[austere bronze]

ay, nice!

glad i helped :D

[rapid holly]

Thank you very much

Well, now that the new campaign on nightmare difficulty has started, the game feels very slow without the dash.

And very strange without the super shotgun

[austere bronze]

oh yeah for sure lmao

[rapid holly]

Yes, well, after beating the campaign on nightmare difficulty, I'll save up or get the money for The Ancient Gods.

[austere bronze]

nicee

you should get them while they're on sale though

[obtuse tartan]

Every time I use the ice bomb on a really fiery demon I think about how torturous it is for them, they literally bask in fire (I’m thinking of the archvile) so it must hurt like hell to have such a drastic temperature drop

[half hollow]

they are frozen to literal ice, i dont think they feel anything at all

[obtuse tartan]

It’s just a max level ice bath, surely they feel something

[half hollow]

numbness probably

[fringe torrent]

They would probably feel it once their nerves are no longer numb

[half hollow]

yeah i mean it would be painful when they thaw but most of the time if you freeze a demon they die before that unless you havent upgraded the ice bomb fully yet

[scenic axle]

So it actually makes them not feel the death (maybe)

The ice bomb is so good

[half hollow]

they explode into ice chunks so yeah i doubt they feel anything

[austere bronze]

used (against my will) blood fueled, and there was genuinely no difference between when i had the effect and not😭

or i mean, there obviously was some difference, but i couldn't notice any

[half hollow]

forced to use something that isnt air control, equip fiend and savagery (medieval torture)

[austere bronze]

dazed and confused is valid too if the level is hard

but it is actually close to medieval torture

slow glory killing and chainsawing...

[half hollow]

if only savagery was a setting and not a rune, it feels more like just an essential qol rather than something that actually impacts gameplay that much

[half hollow]

savagery doesnt even affect chainsaws

[austere bronze]

yeah it's more qol than useful

still think it's useful tho, just definitely not as useful as dazed and confused

[austere bronze]

it does with the right mods ;P

but yea, sucks that it doesn't by default

[half hollow]

any rune is more useful than savagery technically because it barely affects gameplay if at all

but its better than most of the gk runes because who wants to sit through a bunch of long ass animations that youve already seen thousands of times that just kills the pace

[austere bronze]

savagery allows you to get armor from more GKs if you meathook into them, and less time for enemies to gang up on you

[storm eagle]

M1 is typing

[austere bronze]

fake

[storm eagle]

lol

[viscid marten]

this is a rare occurrence…

[scenic axle]

WHAT A LEVEL

that was torture

Imma go try tormented earth now

[austere bronze]

that level is generally "fine" but it can get really bad

most so the mall arena, super hard encounter

[half hollow]

i installed the potato eternal graphics mod and the game looks better??

baffling

everything is so much clearer

[coral rose]

hello, can someone help me for blood bath achievement? ( just 17 kills)

[half hollow]

been trying to do un

got to arc complex before i died to the mancubus jumpscare

wasnt expecting to die on arc complex of all levels but is what it is

[scenic axle]

rip

you got this!!

I might do high quality UN playthroughs and upload them with cutscenes and everything

I wonder if that would be fun

[half hollow]

tbh afaik for the main campaign really the only difficulty spikes are like cultist base and sentinel prime/taras nabad

and final sin since its really easy to choke there if you get very unlucky

[scenic axle]

Cultist base is by far the hardest part

Final sin is hard but if you know the bfg routing it's actually really really easy

Urdak is really the hardest outside of cultist aslong as you can beat the gladiator without trouble

[half hollow]

the first phase of icon of sin my hated

the second phase is significantly easier with how open everything becomes

[scenic axle]

That's fair

I agree

If you use the bfg on him then that also makes it even easier

[half hollow]

me when i shoot a bfg shot at the icon only for him to do an attack, dodging the projectile

[scenic axle]

i only aim for the chest because of that

[half hollow]

yeah after cultist base the difficulty tends to iron out

the moment you get the rocket launcher and lock on it becomes so much easier

and then the ssg

[scenic axle]

Yeah, It's just that the earlier parts of the level have such a disparity between your gear and the demons

[half hollow]

the early parts of cultist base are extremely difficult when the game starts throwing a bunch of heavy demons and shotgunners that you are very much not equipped to deal with very well yet

[astral hamlet]

shoulda let us grab a crystal before cultist base instead of giving us two before SGN

[half hollow]

woe 3 mancubi and 20 million gargoyles be on ye

[scenic axle]

^

Once you beat the first arena in doom hunter base it's just free

Unless you goof up

[half hollow]

sgn is the dedicated "grind ssg mastery" level

[scenic axle]

Nah I get that in doom hunter base

the sooner the better

[half hollow]

theres one horrifying part in sgn and its the fuckass buff totem part with the prowlers

i can never for the life of me remember where the buff totem is and i always end up going to it last

its always the last one

[scenic axle]

oh that part

[astral hamlet]

real lol

[scenic axle]

I remember when I first did UN I watched a guide that showed where it is lol

that was helpful

[half hollow]

i managed to get through it somehow

i lived through that part while panicking and then i died to a mancubus jumpscare later

[scenic axle]

rip

the ones that show up while you leave right before the end?

[half hollow]

no the one at the start of arc complex

[scenic axle]

I don't remember that one

dang that sucks

[half hollow]

me neither thats why i died to it

[real holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1466516058943783063/my-image_1_2.png?ex=697d0703&is=697bb583&hm=e5a5081a4f3cb44149dd573ed69e79eba9f1e6382b7a898d61095a8c6ea701e3&

(Reclaimed Earth being in A isn't me being positive about tag 2, it's just the honest thought that the hammer stinks so bad that if you remove it from that stage the good level design shows itself)

[scenic axle]

Where's the template for this I gotta make one

The holt disrespect will not be tolerated

[real holly]

okay i tried linking the Tierlist but it didn't work, look up Doom Eternal level Tierlist and you should find the tiermaker link

[real holly]

oh boy I sure do love the Samur "fight"

or the laser wall arena, or some other arenas that just scale the difficulty so high im wondering if im playing a kaizo mod or just annoying hard mode

"oh but its le last level in dlc its supposed to be hard" yeah still im not having fun here while i adore blood swamps and uac Atlantica which are also "hard" ñevels

there's some holt arenas i like but the majority i just don't enjoy

and Samurs fight is just lame mixed with annoying

[austere bronze]

unholy urdak's holy variaton🥰

[scenic axle]

Oh is this based off of the level and not just how the level looks

Then valid

[scenic axle]

I got no classes today so I’m gonna try that level

[austere bronze]

second hardest level ever

or at least if you're doing the unbaalnced version

[scenic axle]

How would you rank the top like 10 hardest levels

Yeah I’ll be doing unbalanced

I feel like I’m really inconsistent in my skills idk why

Sometimes I’m just horrible while other times I play great

[austere bronze]

if we're only talking whole levels, it'd be something like this

1. cultist stronghold
2. unholy urdak
3. tormented earth
4. cbt atlantica
5. the world spear slaughter master level
6. hell's abyss
7. unreclaimed earth

then sould processor, one hell on earth level, and the original CBT version of hell's abyss all desertve a spot here, unsure of how high tho

i'm not entirely sure on the world spear slaughter ML since it's been quite a while

[scenic axle]

Is hells abyss really that hard?

Oh I haven’t done unbalanced yet

Nevermind

[austere bronze]

the drop-off between cultist stronghold and it is very big, but the unbalanced version is pretty hard yea

cultist stronghold and unholy urdak are in a league of their own

[scenic axle]

I must have been playing crazy well to beat stronghold cause I got stuck on one part of unbalanced cbt atlantica for a long time

[austere bronze]

maybe the original CBT version of hell's abyss could rival, but it's been so long since i've done that

[scenic axle]

I’ve still never beaten that arena

Thanks goat 🙏🐐

[austere bronze]

some of these i'm kinda unsure of tho

cbt atlantica and tormented earth are close, as is unreclaimed earth and hell's abyss, and it's been a long while since i've done world spear slaughter ML

[scenic axle]

Would you still say that one arena in tormented earth is the hardest or does anything in urdak or cultist stronghold beat it

[austere bronze]

don't think anything in unholy urdak beats it

but the second part of the slayer gate in cultist stronghold may

[austere bronze]

which part? double possessed marauder?

[scenic axle]

Nah it wasn’t even far in 😭😭

Double possessed doom hunters and a bunch of other heavies, I kept getting impatient and doing something stupid

[austere bronze]

ohh

just stay in the air, move around, and get the maykr drones

should be easier than many arenas in cultist stronghold

[scenic axle]

Yeah it wasn’t too difficult I just kept getting too close to the doom hunters

I was just playing stupidly

[austere bronze]

ah fair enough

[austere bronze]

dudee, that used to be so me for the longest time

[scenic axle]

I’ll hopefully have time to consistently play more and then I’ll get better

[austere bronze]

gonna be waiting for your UN runs frfr

[scenic axle]

On those levels?

😬

might be a longggggggg time

[austere bronze]

i think if you can even beat cultist stronghold, unreclaimed UN isn't unreachable

but i wouldn't recommend going for any UN runs😭 still think it's brainrot

OH YEAH

the final, optional gore nest encounter of the original CBT hell's abyss is harder than the mall arena in tormented earth

i'm like 98% sure

[fringe torrent]

Tung tung tung master level

[scenic axle]

I wanna see it just to see how brainrot it is 💀

[austere bronze]

i'm gonna try it now, or tonight at least

[dry ridge]

This is just peak.

[scenic axle]

I am not playing well today 💀

[tame topaz]

Today's post.

[wicked silo]

So i was recently gifted an Xbox one and am going back and playing all the games ive missed out on in the past decade. I loved 2016z but am I crazy thinking eternal is just... different? In a way I dont like? I keep running out of ammo, nothing dies, and why the heck am I spending so much time jumping from platform to platform and boosting to walls and swinging from monkey bars??? Yes im old enough to remember my first intro to Doom was shareware on a floppy. But am I just too old or is this just not Doom?

[drowsy wedge]

its a totally different feel yes

sounds like youre just not used to the gameplay loop that it introduces

[wicked silo]

Not at all. Don't get me wrong.. its not bad... its just so different

[proven granite]

It’s not Doom, it’s DOOM. Important distinction, the new games are their own thing

I love the monkey bars, a very fun addition

[patent stream]

Eternal on its own is also the least “doom doom” of them all

It is drastically and the most different compared to every other entry

[proven granite]

Well The Dark Ages has less shared weapons with the other two

[patent stream]

It also sacrifices all of the atmosphere 2016 set up
And goes for a much much more arcady feel

Ironically for as arcady as eternal was they didn’t add 2016s arcade mode into it

I feel that actually would have been super super solid

[halcyon oar]

Hey everyone, anyone got doom eternal on ps. Im making a team for multiplayer trophies(BATTLEMODE) so if anyone is interested pls message me i would apprecaite it

[scenic axle]

wait you're actually totally right

I was doing balanced version but I did like 3/4 the level and only died twice because of some weird thing that I didn't expect

[fringe torrent]

The originals were also spelled DOOM tho

Also they ARE the same franchise

[proven granite]

Just saying, expect the new games to be much different

[scenic axle]

Eternal is quite different, it has the most advanced movement out of all the games. If you are running out of ammo then you aren't using your chainsaw enough. You want to use it immediately once it goes off of cooldown, also spread your ammo usage out so you aren't just spamming one type, you'll run out if you do that. I hope that you can still enjoy it even though it's quite different from the other games!

[scenic axle]

Died once on the very last wave this is totally doable

hopefully unbalanced isn't much worse

It probably is though lol

[storm eagle]

It is, lol

[fierce gate]

hello everyone

I need a command for an online game.

[tawdry spear]

Fuck the Archivilles

And Elemental Pain

[real holly]

Pain Elementals bother me so much that in the late game i try to reserve triple chainsaws just for them

like i can fight them but it feels extra chore-ey, must be my Cacodemon hybrid ptsd from dark ages

[elder raft]

am i the only one that don't have a problem with pain elementals? i see everyone complaining about them when i just see them as slightly bigger cacodemons

[real holly]

what difficulty do you play on

[elder raft]

I've played on all of 'em but primary i play nightmare

[real holly]

the thing about pain elementals is since they fly and are decently tanky they kind of remove the focus from the ground combat all the other demons have

i have to ignore the other demons to kill it mostly, while with the caco i can just shoot a stickybomb and bam

[elder raft]

Gonna be honest, i just meathook up to him and combo his ass with the SSG, heavy cannon, ballista, rocket launcher and he goes down fairly quickly

He ain't that bad for me

[austere bronze]

yeah i mean he isn't super hard to kill, but he is a high priority

[simple holly]

DOOM64 pain elementals:

[elder raft]

haven't played much of 64

[half hollow]

i dont see pain elementals as that annoying, moreso i see them as big meathook points

[rapid holly]

Good Morning Guys

I officially beat THE SUPER GORE NEST on Nightmare difficulty a while ago as part of my quest to beat Eternal on Nightmare.

It has been very difficult, but we are getting there.

On top of that, I'm nerfed because I play on Switch, but I'm still standing.

[real holly]

basically this, just that high priority makes them a lil bothersome sometimes

[scenic axle]

Great job!!! That's one of my favorite levels, I love the design

You've got a miniboss coming up soon in arc complex, good luck with that!

Also it's super impressive that you're on switch, I can't imagine how much worse that is

[scenic axle]

If you get multiple in a small area they can be a pain and possessed PE's are genuinely one of the worst enemies, but normal ones in an open area aren't bad

[rapid holly]

Oh, thank you so much for appreciating my effort.

[rapid holly]

Or so

[austere bronze]

depends on how you define problem

[scenic axle]

Yeah you're right 😭

[torn sedge]

punk ass archviles bro

to anyone know anyway to combo this freaks

[astral hamlet]

ice bomb (or frag) and double lock on burst

easiest way to dispose of them

[pliant plover]

Personally, I usually save my bfg and crucible ammo exclusively for archviles.

[astral hamlet]

if I were to get that far on UN, I'd use my crucible charges exclusively on barons and tyrants

very tanky, hit very hard

archviles are dangerous but they go down in an instant even without the crucible

[fringe torrent]

Saving superweapons for Arch-viles, the good old method since 2004

[half hollow]

archies are way more dangerous than a tyrant imo

[torn sedge]

lol idk my internet went off so i was playing the dlc and this one archvile kept killin me over and over directly or not cos i was rusty

and the one time i killed it i fell to death

[fringe torrent]

I disagree

[pliant plover]

I feel like barons can be pretty quickly taken down with rocket launcher + gauss cannon

[half hollow]

tyrants kinda struggle with hitting you ingeneral from what ive noticed

[pliant plover]

Or whatever the gauss cannon is called in eternal, I forgot

[fringe torrent]

I'm nowhere near a good player but if you are close enough to crucible an Archie you are close enough to freeze and combo it

[astral hamlet]

in a large arena where you can't find them, sure
but an archvile within eyeline vs a tyrant, I'm taking the archie 7 days a week
what is bro gonna do to me if he's getting deleted right off the bat lol

[half hollow]

what

[torn sedge]

tbf kinda but archviles run like rlly far away and tyrant is rlly predictable

[pliant plover]

Archviles also have that fire wall that’s hard to get through sometimes

[astral hamlet]

yeah
assuming this isn't like the taras nabad master level where he can literally run away outside of the arena or be locked behind an orange wall, I'd rather face an archvile than a tyrant

[torn sedge]

that too

for tyrant most times just microwave them to death

[pliant plover]

I think if an archvile couldn’t resurrect or summon monsters, the tyrant would be more dangerous, but the archviles ability to do that makes it priority one

[torn sedge]

always worked lol

[astral hamlet]

I remember back when I was a wee eternal noob I let the archvile in the mars core ML get out of hand and he summoned marauders

[half hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1405256054727774308.gif?quality=lossless&name=shocked_skeleton&size=48

[pliant plover]

Dealing with more than one marauder is insane

[fringe torrent]

How do you do this unintentionally

[torn sedge]

lol idk what i did lmao but i think there was a trick or smth to prevent the archvile from spawing lmao

[half hollow]

if the archvile had no hp and did no danage then a tyrant would be more dangerous but the archvile has hp and deals damage so hes a priority target

[fringe torrent]

What?

[astral hamlet]

well, I killed the first archvile and me being the idiot that I am looked everywhere for the second archvile except directly behind me

[fringe torrent]

Those two messages are not the same whatsoever

[pliant plover]

I think they’re trying to clown on me, but I’m not sure

[fringe torrent]

Misrepresenting your statement

[astral hamlet]

well archviles also have their really dangerous normal flame attacks plus they're a walking buff totem

so the summoning is only part of their moveset

[fringe torrent]

If the Archies didn't summon they'd still deal damage... it's not like it renders them useless

[astral hamlet]

so yeah, misrepresentation of the statement

[scenic axle]

I think archvilles are way more dangerous than tyrants. Yes you can kill them easily, but when they are alive they are much more of a threat

I've died plenty of times from an archville I didn't know was there summoning and buffing everything

okay time to attempt unreclaimed earth un

I'm gonna get pooped on

[austere bronze]

yes tyrants are definitely more dangerous

oops meant archviles are definitely more dangerous*

[astral hamlet]

Tbf I did make the qualification that tyrants are more dangerous than archviles given that you’ve got eyes on both

If you’re in the middle of an arena and an archvile spawns in somewhere, obviously that’s a lot more trouble than a tyrant

[normal timber]

Are you able to make private matches for battle mode

[real holly]

while UAC Atlantica is close to being my favorite level outside of Blood Swamps

i think UAC Atlantica needlessly drags some arenas with waves of heavy demons that aren't really a problem but just take some time to kill

sometimes i wish they would cut straight to the point, like there are a decent chunk of arenas that have another encounter after you go in and out of them and it feels kinda like padding

this issue vanishes once the facility begins self destructs but it comes back in the very last arena that just takes waaayy too long to get to the super heavies

[gilded aspen]

Guys who hate arch-vil?

[ripe hollow]

It’s annoying but not terrible

[austere bronze]

yea i also dislike the arch, cause whenever it spawns, you basically always have to immediately find it and kill it

[ripe hollow]

On his own the archville isn’t bad. It’s the most annoying when there’s a bunch of buffed demons wailing on you that makes him difficult to deal with. Not to mention he can teleport away from you and continue to spawn more demons.

The Carcass and the whiplash are by far the most annoying demons to deal with in my opinion.

[oak topaz]

SORRY IF I INTERRUPTED BUT GUYS
I DID IT
I DID IT
I DID IT
I BEAT ETERNAL ON NIGHTMARE

[ripe hollow]

Let’s go!

That’s awesome!

[oak topaz]

AND I HIT LVL 100 AT THE SAME TIME

[ripe hollow]

How many times did you die to do it? I’m guessing around 100+
Although I don’t know your skill level

[oak topaz]

I sent my death list in the screenshots section and I only died 51 times which I think is good since I’m on controller and have only been playing for about 5 months I think

[scenic axle]

W

🐐

[ripe hollow]

Oh wow I over shot my guess by a long shot. Thats awesome none the less.

[oak topaz]

I also sent the clip of me beating the game in the videos section if you wanna hear me scream out of joy

[ripe hollow]

Now there’s only one thing left to do. Beat ultra-nightmare!

[oak topaz]

I plan to do that at some point as I’ve done 2016 and TDA on nightmare as well

I died the most on 2016

[ripe hollow]

I need to play 2016. I’ve only played eternal.

[oak topaz]

I find it awesome how it still holds up well 10 years later, even visually, I wonder if Bethesda or id Software will do anything for the game turning 10 this year

[ripe hollow]

I doubt it since their probably going to stay focused on tda/the next doom game

[oak topaz]

Yea, as focused as they are for the TDA DLC and the next game, I still hope there’s a chance they’ll do something for 2016 this year

[ripe hollow]

Speaking of 2016, I found the soundtrack from 2016 on vinyl. It should be in the music section if you want to check it out.

If it’s not there, I can send it to you through dm’s

[oak topaz]

Is it music that doesn’t appear in game and vinyl only?

[ripe hollow]

It’s the entire soundtrack you can find on Mick Gordon’s Spotify or YouTube. I had no idea they pressed it on vinyl so I had to get it.

[oak topaz]

Yea, I’ve always wondered how vinyls even work

[ripe hollow]

Unfortunately the Eternal soundtrack isn’t available on any physical media. Such a shame how they did Mick. I find the Eternal soundtrack to be better than 2016.

[oak topaz]

As much as I love the TDA soundtrack I always wonder what it could’ve sounded like if they kept Mick

[ripe hollow]

https://youtu.be/bw4YmbAKocM?si=34_yrD9YcQHTGWNH

Go to 1:50 on this video to explain it.

[oak topaz]

Oh ok thanks

[ripe hollow]

Np

[sharp yew]

hi

[little moth]

👋

[fierce topaz]

I have just beaten the game on ultra nightmare after 700 hours of total playtime

[scenic axle]

Nice job!! That’s a lot of playtime!

[modest swift]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811143370466131981/1467311681578336317/20260131194425_1.jpg?ex=697febfe&is=697e9a7e&hm=509b77b41adda10a91b73c03e80825965eadc48d5f6646c66e5f78c1389de0ef&=&format=webp&width=1364&height=767

funny number

[wide fractal]

mates i got past the first part of the world spear master level on ultra nightmare im makin progress 🙏

[scenic axle]

nice, you got this!!

[wide fractal]

yeaaa, first 2 large encounters were torture, but i eventually learned which demons to kill first

[scenic axle]

yeah just practicing the encounters and getting a route for them can be really helpful

[dull obsidian]

is there a way i can customize the runes i start my master levels with so i don’t have to manually input them each attempt?

[scenic axle]

Make sure the save file that you're using to play the master levels has your runes how you want, that might fix it

which one are you doing right now?

[dull obsidian]

im trying to do ultra nightmare sgn

it’s legitimately destroying my mental health, i’ve been on it for 3 weeks and i feel like a failure when i try to do anything else in my life rn

i’ve never felt so beat by a video game before

[patent stream]

I remember when I first did SGN UN

It was bugged at launch so I had to do it 4 times in a row

The first 3 times the exit was bugged and would not open

[dull obsidian]

you beat ts 3 times in a row?

[patent stream]

Ye

[dull obsidian]

i am actually worthless.

[patent stream]

You are not

[dull obsidian]

i didn’t even think that was humanly possible

[patent stream]

The difficulty is in the name. “MASTER” level. It’s a level designed only for the absolute mastery of the games mechanics

[dull obsidian]

i assumed pros couldn’t even beat it consistently

[patent stream]

The other master levels are so so much worse

And in comparison cultist base is much easier than SGN

What kinda weapon strategies are you using?

[nocturne pollen]

SGN made me Ragequit so freaking much, when I finally did it tho.....

[dull obsidian]

i can consistently beat it with only using one extra life in nightmare extra life mode, but asking for 45 minutes of perfection is so much when there’s so many ways to die that feel out of your control

sometimes i’ll look at replays of my deaths in smaller rooms and ill go from 300 health to zero in 2-3 frames

[patent stream]

Rocket launcher lock on is a very very nice medium enemy clearer / large enemy damager

You can also flame belch and glory kill even if you have full health, it leaves a little pool of recovery on the ground for when you need it

It will despawn after a little bit but it can come in clutch

Same applies to flaming meathook

[dull obsidian]

i do this for revenants in the first battle and cacodemons in the sewer

[patent stream]

It’s been a minute since I last played it but I can try a little and see if I can think up of strategies that may help

[dull obsidian]

i do this for the parts where it spawns like 30 fodder demons in a small room

i genuinely feel like i’ve gotten worse the more i’ve played, i used to consistently be able to to get the double marauder spawn, but i didn’t even get there once today and i played for a solid 8 hours

my only experience with eternal has been the campaign and dlcs, on nightmare, which were a cakewalk, but going to an UN master level has been such a crazy jump

i’m going to take such a long break after i get this gold shotgun

when i started this map i didn’t even know how to quick switch properly😭

[patent stream]

Well that’s your issue

You played for 8 hours

Fatigue is real

Reflexes get worse and so on

[dull obsidian]

i just wanna get it over with and move on with my life, not being able to beat this has been consuming me so much

[patent stream]

Master levels are a genuinely exhausting time. The more you play the more exhausted you will become

[dull obsidian]

but i’m also horrible when im not warmed up

[patent stream]

8 hours isn’t warmed up that’s burned

Did you drink plenty of water? Stretch? Walk around for a bit?

Sitting and playing even if you don’t think you have fatigue is real. Some days you just have more fatigue than you realize and your reflexes will be shot.

[scenic axle]

Also, if you really want to beat it you should try to get better first, and if you want to get better play for fun, not just to beat a level

[scenic axle]

very true

Playing just for fun is how I've improved the most

[dull obsidian]

it wasn’t 8 hours straight, i took a ton of breaks and came back to it multiple times

[patent stream]

But that’s still 8 hours in a day

[scenic axle]

I've found that when I'm just playing for fun I also play so much better, if I'm trying really hard to UN a level or trying to sweat I play considerably worse

[patent stream]

I never bothered with the other master levels for UN

Those other ones are like 1.5hours long

[scenic axle]

really just depends on how quickly you can kill enemies

[patent stream]

I would suggest playing cultist base ML on UN to get a bit of a feel of it

Then go back to SGN

[dull obsidian]

i’ve practiced all the rooms on nightmare over and over until i could consistently beat each one, i have around an 80% pass rate for each room, but i keep dying in silly ways

[dull obsidian]

is that the easiest master level?

there’s so many rooms that just feel like a coin flip no matter how many times i practice them

[patent stream]

Yes it’s the easier master level

[scenic axle]

Then you probably just aren't quite there yet skill wise, which is fine! I would recommend trying to get a bit better before trying it again, it can be really defeating when you try a challenge that is just slightly above your skill level and it can be really demotivating

[dull obsidian]

i think that’s where i’m caught, it feels like i’m so close that i should just be able to grind it out with a ton of attempts but then i get burnt out

[patent stream]

And don’t forget it’s a MASTER level, it’s designed as the ultimate challenge for people who have already mastered the games mechanics and need to consistently use mastered skills the entire level

[scenic axle]

In that case it's more helpful to try to get better first, play a level that's really fun for you but also challenging. There are custom levels that are slightly easier than sgn that you could try, you could also play the DLC's, make sure you are having fun but also challenging yourself so it's not too easy

Also you could watch playthroughs of the level, that can help too!

For levels like that having a plan for each encounter can help, that's really how I beat UN on the campaign for the first time

[dull obsidian]

i beat the dlcs on nightmare right before this, only having died a handful of times

[scenic axle]

I wasn't that great but I knew exactly how I'd beat each enemy in the entire campaign

[scenic axle]

You could try just playing the hardest parts, play something challenging but also fun.

There's also a couple custom levels I could recommend

[dull obsidian]

dude i’ve watched so many, it’s to the point where i’ll watch a play through and be like “there’s a safer technique youre not using here, or there’s a more consistent way to do this, there’s a better place to use the bfg in this room etc”

[scenic axle]

In that case focus on how they play instead, what their movement is like and how they position themselves. If they aren't using the bfg optimally or playing as safe as possible but still beating it then they must be good, so look at what they are doing that you could be doing too

[dull obsidian]

is there a place i can send gameplay clips? i feel like im not horrible im just not “master level”

[scenic axle]

in #videos I believe you can, if you want you can also dm me them and I can give you tips!

[patent stream]

Yep videos

[dull obsidian]

i’m gonna wait until the morning to record some vids because i feel like im not just trash rn from playing too much

also i don’t know why but the saving throw ruin will not work for me for some reason on UN

[dull obsidian]

most vids on yt will play on nightmare not un 😭

[scenic axle]

Well it's still the same difficulty, just not permadeath

I know a couple channels that have good gameplay if you want them

[dull obsidian]

sure

[scenic axle]

This guys the goat fr
https://www.youtube.com/@Well_M1/videos

this guys also great
https://www.youtube.com/@Plobbus/videos

[dull obsidian]

i’m learning and improving most techniques, the only i can’t figure out at all is punch swaps

[scenic axle]

I also have some but those guys are considerably better than me

[dull obsidian]

i’ve watched a ton of this guy

[scenic axle]

I literally can't do them because of where my keybinds are 😭

or at least for the rocket launcher

I think I could for pb

Quickswitching isn't that important though, positioning is way more important

[dull obsidian]

i’m only trying to do pb punch swap and i can’t figure it out

[dull obsidian]

i’m assuming that’s what i suck at the most because i’ll constantly end up in the middle of a horde and lose all my health in a few frames

[patent stream]

Punchswaps?

[scenic axle]

When you punch in between shots and it removes the fire cooldown

[patent stream]

I didn’t know that

[scenic axle]

it looks really cool and it super effective mostly with the rocket launcher

it's a bit more than just hitting punch though

[patent stream]

I use controller and have been cursed to get drift when I click the stick too excessively so I try not to click too often

[scenic axle]

valid

[dull obsidian]

it seems like it would be really useful on rpg and pb when you’re out if ammo but i can’t figure it out

[patent stream]

At least my last joycons got drift

So trying not to get drift on the new ones

[scenic axle]

stickdrift is the worst thing ever

[scenic axle]

If you chainsaw all the time you shouldn't really run out of ammo

and I run out of rocket ammo first anyway 💀

[dull obsidian]

i’ve heard rpg punch swaps aren’t even possible on controller according to plobbus, but everything else should be

[patent stream]

Ah makes sense then

[dull obsidian]

my chainsaw is always on cooldown lol

[storm eagle]

watch some Sylar videos too

[dull obsidian]

if it’s not, the issue is finding a fodder demon

i wish that any demon in a glory kill state only used one chainsaw ammo

there’s so many situations where there’s only one fodder demon left and you just can’t find it so you sit there with no ammo

[dull obsidian]

i watch him too, all his vids are so short tho

i saw this 40 second vid where this guy was talking about how he could make a 10 minute vid on how to to the marauder ballista foot trick and i was thinking “please do, all i can find are 1 minute clips where people use a combo with 4 dif guns in half a second”

[scenic axle]

I can explain it real quick

[dull obsidian]

i know you have to shoot the ground next the the marauder obviously, but there must be something else bc it’s never consistent

[drowsy wedge]

you have to get the timing right

[dull obsidian]

yeah but i don’t even know what im timing it with lol

[drowsy wedge]

its just a feel thing

if youre not getting the stun then youre prolly doing it too early, or its hitting too far away or something

[scenic axle]

So pretty much the ballista does a slight aoe damage, if the marauder takes enough damage he will become stunned even if he isn't doing an eye flash, and the ballista is the only weapon that can do this. The catch is that for him to become stunned he needs to have taken enough damage within a short period of time before you do the foot ballista. The best way to consistently do this is to stun him normally through an eye flash, then do the feet ballista over and over

If you try to start with a foot ballista it won't work because he won't have taken enough damage recently to make foot ballista possible

[dull obsidian]

that’s why it feels inconsistent

i’ve been trying to hit him with the foot ballista right away after he comes out of the stun, but it doesn’t always work

[scenic axle]

Yeah I gotta use it more, that's the first combo I learned and I've stopped using it

[scenic axle]

That should work as long as you did some damage while he was stunned

To do it easily you could ssg - ballista - ssg then foot ballista

[dull obsidian]

i think you have to do a good amount

[scenic axle]

@austere bronze How much damage do you have to do for foot ballista to work

[dull obsidian]

i’m still at the skill level where i accidentally shoot the ssg at the ground sometimes while doing foot ballista

[scenic axle]

hey it happens

[dull obsidian]

i’ve tried the frag combo as well but that one is just so hard to shoot and throw frags at the same time

[scenic axle]

frag with a slob or what

[dull obsidian]

i just end up standing still then because adding movement on top overloads me

[patent stream]

My favorite marauder combo is spamming lock on rocket

[scenic axle]

I generally fight marauders last because of that

[scenic axle]

I really gotta learn redirects they're so useful

[dull obsidian]

not even slob, just trying to frag while quick switching ballista ssg

[patent stream]

I just aim the lock on a little high and one of the splashes makes him lower his shield and huzzah he dead

[scenic axle]

ah, yeah adding more things can make it overwhelming, I had that problem for such a long time

[dull obsidian]

that only works if you time it while he dashes right?

[patent stream]

Nope I just spam it and it usually hits at some point

[jovial coral]

Don't think it require you deal damage to do feet ballista, I about timing

[storm eagle]

You don't have to deal damage first for it to work

[scenic axle]

Oh maybe im stupid

I thought m1 said that one time but I guess im wrong

[storm eagle]

No, like Saleem said it's about timing

[scenic axle]

what timing?

I'm getting conflicting info here 😭
#doom-eternal message

[dull obsidian]

@jovial coral your portfolio is pretty sick

[storm eagle]

yeah no

[jovial coral]

I might be wrong LOL

[jovial coral]

Thanks brodda

[dull obsidian]

how much do you think it would cost to remaster episode one of doom 1 in doom eternal?

[scenic axle]

idk how you would even figure out how it works 💀

[dull obsidian]

i love og doom, but the maps i’ve seen trying to recreate it aren’t very good lol

[jovial coral]

Long time

[storm eagle]

M1 doesn't know everything lol. But to answer your question you can pb and ballista but you need to aim like this

#doom-eternal message

[jovial coral]

Idtech 7 level design is more demanding then classic, alot of iteration need to be done

[storm eagle]

just keep practicing

you'll get it

[scenic axle]

Yeah I know he doesn't know everything, that's just what I heard from him

I haven't seen feet ballista work without damage being done beforehand I gotta go practice that to see

[dull obsidian]

that’s unfortunate, i’d always thought it would be so cool if id remastered doom one in the modern engine with more flushed out lore

i feel like it would be a really good opportunity to fill in a lot of the gaps lore wise

[storm eagle]

I'm busy atm but @astral hamlet can help too. M1 is asleep if that's who you wanna talk to, he's in Sweden though so time difference

[jovial coral]

Sorry I didn't mean to let you down man, just begin honest a whole classic doom episode that 9 levels include the secret level

[dull obsidian]

oh no no, it was the all theoretical it’s okay

[scenic axle]

Yeah that video talks about needing to do enough damage to put him into the soft falter threshold

[dull obsidian]

@scenic axle any good vids on positioning in particular, or is it kinda just a feeler that you learn as you play?

[scenic axle]

I don't know any videos that really talk about positioning in general, but you could watch videos of people playing ridiculously hard levels to see how and where they move

I think that's also something you just learn as you play more

[storm eagle]

Pb and grenade works nicely

[scenic axle]

yeah I gotta start using it more, idk why I stopped using it

I learned slob one cycles cause they look cool but they are way harder to pull off in the middle of a big fight

I gotta learn more one cycles

[dull obsidian]

some play throughs talk abt where you should be positioned, but it’s just so hard to think about that while you’re getting bombarded by 30 demons in a small hole

[scenic axle]

Yeah I think that's something that comes more through playtime

I gotta record new level playthroughs my old gameplay was so shield reliant 😭

Unreclaimed earth UN is next on the bucket list 🙏

I might do cultist stronghold again just with cuts between deaths

I don’t care if it isn’t UN I’m proud that I beat the level 😭

And I want better quality gameplay up

[reef pier]

Here is a zombie arachnatron

[austere bronze]

you have to deal any amount over 1k

which isn't hard at all, pb does 400, rocket 600, ballista 750, and ssg up to 750

(on the marauder)

[austere bronze]

there are very few good combat tutorials for this game, but there are a couple of main points when it comes to positioning
staying in one area is bad
moving into smaller spaces/where you don't have easy exits should almost always be avoided
some places you want to avoid due to there being specific demons/a demon

for me positioning happens very unconsciously, which makes it hard to put into words

[storm eagle]

I feel like I've never had to do this for it to work. I just pb ballista cycle

[plucky pewter]

Seen some magazines in the doom fortress, didn’t think the Slayer was a reader all things considered

Oh and a picture of him holding a bunny which tracks with the Doom 64 lore

[scenic axle]

Well if you start with a pb and ballista that would do enough to put it in the falter range

[scenic axle]

I might be misunderstanding what you're saying though

[austere bronze]

the idk929 skill issue encounter is so cooked

when i did it 2 possessed marauders died from splash damage😭

just from me shooting other demons and them being close

[storm eagle]

yeah lol

[half hollow]

man i forgot just how good the tag ost is

the ost in uac atlantica goes so unimagineably hard

[wide fractal]

I've found Andrew Hulshult's work better and groovier than Mick's ngl

[dull obsidian]

I BEAT IT!!!

oh my god this is the best feeling in the world

i didn’t even need to use bfg or crucibal, it was literally just a perfect run

[patent stream]

Niceeeeee

[dull obsidian]

thanks for all the help

thinking abt positioning really did wonders

[patent stream]

That sense of relief and accomplishment after finishing an impossible task must feel so nice

[austere bronze]

YOOO lesgooo

well done

[scenic axle]

🔥🔥🔥

[dull obsidian]

i remember when i was 12 (so 8 years ago now) i grinded all summer to get max omega in fortnite and when i finally had it was such an empty feeling because i didn’t actually accomplish anything hard, you just had to play a lot, this was a million times better.

time for taras nabad now 😼

but imma take my time this go around

[austere bronze]

oh my days😭 good luck

[dull obsidian]

how much harder would you say taras nabad is?

i feel like if i practice the double archville room 100 times in nightmare that should hopefully help a lot

but i haven’t even played it yet

[austere bronze]

sgn is the easiest "real" master level (so not including arc or cultist) and taras nabad is either the hardest or seconf hardest to UN

hardest ML overall is world spear tho

so quite a bit harder

[dull obsidian]

i swear i saw someone say it was the easiest

maybe it was a troll

[austere bronze]

taras is NOT the easiest😭

i'd recommend just playing normally for a while

that's what i did for a really long time

you could go and UN other MLs now of course

[real holly]

Taras is the hardest of the main campaign MLs

i SUFFERED through that shit

[austere bronze]

i remember when i'd spend half an hour on just getting to thr large arena with maykr drones😭

[dull obsidian]

i saw someone say world spear was

not taras lol

[austere bronze]

really thought i could beat it (had no idea how hard it would get)

[dull obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/W3RJUoWbZv

what am i looking at…

[scenic axle]

The coin room and double archville room are really big difficulty spikes that are harder than anything in world spear, but world spear is consistently more difficult throughout

[austere bronze]

yea

[austere bronze]

final arena of world spear ML

[dull obsidian]

final battle on SGN is one of the easiest imo because you have so much space, i can’t imagine having to do something like this at the end when you thought your run was perfect

[scenic axle]

I remember thinking the end wasn’t very hard

It was other parts that were much more difficult

[austere bronze]

yeah i mean it's a series of pretty alone demons

[scenic axle]

Yeah even if it’s a smallish room it’s just one or two big threats

I wanna play it again to see what’s the hardest part

[austere bronze]

not quitting after 15 min

[scenic axle]

I should UN all the master levels again and post them my gameplay looks way better now

[scenic axle]

True

[austere bronze]

yes do that!

[scenic axle]

I watched back some of my videos and holy I was so shield reliant 😭

[austere bronze]

or post anythinh new

[scenic axle]

That thing is so OP

[scenic axle]

I’m gonna record a balanced unreclaimed earth run sometime I know I can do that at my skill right now

That level isn’t too ridiculous

[austere bronze]

you should try the new cybergrind mod

it's just unfortunate that you can't (yet?) select what wave to start on

[austere bronze]

i used to use everything, but i was bad at abusing the shield and hammer lmao

[dull obsidian]

how hard is it to UN the base campaign compared to the master levels?

i feel like the begging parts wouldn’t be fun because you’d have so little health

[austere bronze]

kinda depends on the person

but UNing a master level is harder than doing mid-late game UN of the base campaign

so if you can get through the early game you should mostly be chilling

[dull obsidian]

i assumed so, i’m just worried abt the low health

[scenic axle]

If you can get past cultist base you’ll beat it

[scenic axle]

I was really good at abusing them so it made me bad at everything else and I didn’t improve

[scenic axle]

What’s that?

[austere bronze]

like the cybergrind in ultrakill, but for eternal

it looks the same and has the same arenas

randomized demons, and there's 4 different difficulties depending on the wave

sadly max is first at wave 20 and that takes so long to reach, which is why a wave selector would be goated

[scenic axle]

Wdym max?

[austere bronze]

oh yea sorry i meant max difficulty

[scenic axle]

Ohhh that’s cool

I’ll try that some time

[rapid holly]

Guys

I already beat Doom Eternal on Nightmare difficulty

I felt it eternally.

[scenic axle]

nice job!!

[cinder iris]

Which is the best slayer gate and why is it arc complex

[scenic axle]

I never do the slayer gates 💀

I don't know what any of them are like outside of the first one

[astral hamlet]

the exultia slayer gate might be the hardest fight in the whole game lol

dread knights are an absolute menace when you've got that little health and the slower dash cooldown

[scenic axle]

I think if you save chainsaw fuel for it and saw one it's not as bad as some encounters in cultist base, but if you don't it's probably the worst

[real holly]

no way

[astral hamlet]

which one's worse

[real holly]

it wasn't easy but like, hardest? No way, you just need game knowledge to survive it properly admittedly

with ur limits at that point of the game

[astral hamlet]

it ain't about game knowledge, you just don't have any ability to tank anything
so if you get unlucky and turn a corner and get bonked by a dread knight, there's maybe a 10 percent chance you make it out alive

[real holly]

it is about game knowledge

keeping track of the enemies so you don't get surprised by a dread knight for one

[astral hamlet]

if you consider knowledge of spawn locations game knowledge, then yeah sure

[real holly]

what? Its called being alert

you fighting and you see/prepare for the eventual dread knight arrival

its something along the lines of awareness, like "oh hey theres a dread knight here maybe i should stick to more open areas or always have dash ready"

[astral hamlet]

man
you can be as alert as you want, but you can still miss the dread knight lol
the arena is literally the size of my living room and the guy can clear half of it in a single jump, plus it's jam packed with fodder

[real holly]

or "okay ima fight but ima be alert so i lock in once the dread knight shows up "

[twin cipher]

Lock on rocket lock on rocket lock on rocket

[astral hamlet]

the only arena that can compare with how dangerous the exultia slayer gate can get is the flame pit with the mancs in cultist base

at least imo

[real holly]

it's called "fighting enemies while expecting the arrival of the dread knight" idk how this is so tough, It never catches me off guard bc im expecting it to show up out of nowhere

[astral hamlet]

he doesn't catch me off guard
I just don't bother to memorize what location he spawns at, so occasionally he can circle the arena in a weird way

[real holly]

i never memorize spawn locations

its just waiting for them to show up while sticking to the more open areas so u aren't stuck in a tight spot with them

[astral hamlet]

yeah well, either way you still haven't told me what arena you think is harder lol

[real holly]

wait which one are we comparing it to?

[astral hamlet]

I just said the exultia slayer gate is the hardest fight in base game eternal

so the rest of the game ig

[real holly]

counting dlc or nah?

[astral hamlet]

nah

the possessed baron fight in the blood swamps is kinda crazy

[real holly]

in that case imo it's the gladiator, if i lower my guard slightly my health is dramatically reducex

[astral hamlet]

I wasn't considering bosses, but fair

[twin cipher]

Ngl i find the gladiator fight to be kinda easy, even on nightmare.

[astral hamlet]

gladiator can smd

[real holly]

it is, but with quickswapping between microwave beam and rockets/precision bolt keeps them standing still

[astral hamlet]

bold of you to assume I use microwave beam for anything but spirits lmao

[real holly]

like how i deal with possesed demons 90% of the time is just "microwave beam, swap to long range option that isn't ballista and repeat"

bc the microwave beam is the only thing that halts the possesed bastards movements in the first place

[scenic axle]

I need to use microwave beam more for quick stuns it's really underrated

[real holly]

maybe I'll add in some bloodpunches since i can comfortably approach them now

[astral hamlet]

I like how they gave possessed demons 75% resistance to ssg-ballista when the SSG is unironically a terrible weapon to use against possessed demons anyways

[real holly]

yeah

[scenic axle]

everyone was just abusing ssg ballista so even though it's bad against them people use it for everything anyway

[real holly]

its useful against possesed demons and MAYBE 1v1s against heavier demons

[scenic axle]

valid to try to encourage more variety

[scenic axle]

it's helpful for stunning big demons that are chasing you if you get in a bad spot

[real holly]

hey theres a funny trick, use it against the dread knight in the Exultia slayer gate and halt the crack fueled spider monkeys movmebt

[astral hamlet]

the movement penalty is just garbage
like what even is the justification for that

[real holly]

you can still dodge attacks while under the influence of the movement penality

[scenic axle]

It makes it unusable most of the time it's so stupid

[real holly]

shoot nades and stuff

[scenic axle]

depends on how many enemies are there

[real holly]

fair

[astral hamlet]

well yeah you can

[scenic axle]

That's what I would always do when killing spirits but sometimes there's just two mancs on you and then you gotta wait to kill the spirit

[real holly]

technically but in 1v1s against the non possesed you'd have to be really inexperienced to be cornered by a single superheavy

[scenic axle]

it's not for when one enemy corners you, but if you get in a bad spot surrounded by lots of different enemies you can freeze the biggest threat momentarily

It's not super useful but can be useful sometimes

still a bad mod

I gotta use it more when fighting multiple archvilles

[real holly]

the strat for possesed demons alot of the time boils down to, especially if you don't like the microwave beam: Kill all surrounding heavies and super heavies and only then deal with the possesed demon so there's no risk of more possession of heavy/super heavy demons

[scenic axle]

Nah I just let the spirit go crazy

[real holly]

that seems like a waste of damage in a "we're running out of time" fight

the archville trick is to kill them as fast as possible, idk what the microwave beam could do to aid in this objective

[scenic axle]

If there's a lot of them I'll end up using my ice bomb and both frags so i'll be almost guaranteed to take some damage if I want to kill it quickly since I'll be out of stuns, the microwave beam is another stun

I don't really know how useful that'd be it just seems like it could be helpful

[dull obsidian]

okay imo taras nabad is significantly easier than sgn, but im someone who was struggling the most in small enclosed rooms which sgn had a lot of, but even double archy has plenty of room compared to some of the smaller sgn arenas. the double marauders are a lot easier on taras nabad because you have infinite runway for both of them and the floor isnt toxic sludge lmao.

all in all i only died 3 times for my first taras nabad run on nightmare, but i think the double archy room may have glitched out because i never actually had to kill the archviles, they just disappeared after i killed the wave.

[astral hamlet]

you mean the master level? Heeeellll nah

[scenic axle]

how does that work 😭

how was that one easier for you

[dull obsidian]

i don’t know, i has every spawn memorized on sgn, and this was genuinely so much easier even when i had no idea what was coming next

[scenic axle]

You were probably overthinking it on sgn

and that made it harder for you

[dull obsidian]

i would die to bs so often, there’s so many small rooms where there’s no where to escape to

i also got died from being clipped into a stretcher not once but twice 😭

[scenic axle]

I feel like the small rooms weren't that difficult, there were few enough enemies that I could kill them before it became a problem

[scenic axle]

huh?

[dull obsidian]

stretcher as in hospital bed

as in i would get soft locked on the set decor

[scenic axle]

oh that sucks

that's a rip

What level will you do next?

[dull obsidian]

i’m going to beat it on ultra nightmare

i only did nightmare

[scenic axle]

good luck

that's a tough one

[dull obsidian]

lmao thanks it’s prob down hill from here

[scenic axle]

wdym?

[dull obsidian]

like i’m going to overthink it and get worse lmao

[scenic axle]

or maybe you first try it

you never know

after you beat all the master levels you gotta try modded levels

[dull obsidian]

i saw a play through of one with golden marauders and stuff like that

[scenic axle]

that might've been kaiser campaign

There's tons of modded content out there

[dull obsidian]

i mean my first sgn run on nightmare prob had 100+ deaths and took multiple hours, so i think im a lot closer on this one.

taras nabad is a lot less interconnected and it looks like it’ll be hard to go back and get stockpiled heals if you finish a battle at less than full health tho.

[scenic axle]

Even if you go in with low health you can start the fight off with an ice bomb and flame belch on a group and heal back to full instantly

[dull obsidian]

in sgn that usually wouldn’t work because i had my ice bombs planned out for each room right away so i’d already be off of the plan

[scenic axle]

Maybe less of plan is what you need though, taras is objectively harder than sgn so I think just going in with a clear head helped you out a lot

Lmk if you ever start doing modded levels I have a few suggestions

[half hollow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589493404682027111/1467814499032502359/DOOMEternal_02_02_2026_11_29_57.png?ex=6981c047&is=69806ec7&hm=5aa1f1951d0d508e7b1fbd772ce6e8012a7eb67f1aa137e08fa4c2f1dc5be348&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1110&height=694

so i beat tag1 ultra nightmare on my first try

literally just did a single regular nightmare run beforehand

[tight prawn]

Bro is really built different

[austere bronze]

ggs

[elder raft]

what

[patent stream]

Gg welcome to the tag 1 un club

[half hollow]

i did use a saving throw on the buff totem marauder fight though

i knew there was a high chance i was gonna die there so i just quickly equipped the rune before starting the fight

[scenic axle]

ayy nice job

[stone spire]

You know its insane Horde mode is accessible to everyone even non dlc owners who can't afford the two dlcs will be in for a very not fun rude awakening when Stage 3 throws stone imps at the player and these people are clueless on how to defeat them, unless they look up a guide. Like the only reason why I know how to deal with the possessor enemies because I watched a Ancient Gods review prior

[scenic axle]

Yeah it should talk about them

stone imps are one of the worst enemies ever

[half hollow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589493404682027111/1467940701865246904/DOOMEternal_02_02_2026_19_51_25.png?ex=698235d0&is=6980e450&hm=8892f9d7721efd329bd988e3a96c52b99f2713effa9dca400e3b3c226184d53e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1110&height=694

tag2 un done aswell first try though this im not as surprised by considering how broken the sentinel hammer is

now i just gotta do the main campaign which will be much harder

[scenic axle]

The hammer is so stupid

Along with the chaingun shield

I don’t understand what they were thinking when they designed those

[scenic axle]

If you can play the early game well then it’ll just take longer

Once you beat cultist base then you got it

If you can pb sticky the beginning isn’t too terrible

[half hollow]

i mean i hope with the dlc practice i might be able to pull off base un

[scenic axle]

You’re definitely good enough

[austere bronze]

pb+sticky without hot swapper is so weird

i can't maintain FSE like that

[scenic axle]

Oh do you get hot swapper late

[austere bronze]

cause i'm badddd

[half hollow]

i mean ive done cultist base so many times from prior un runs though that its not even the hardest part of the run anymore

[scenic axle]

Oh you get it in cultist right

[scenic axle]

Then you got this

[half hollow]

you get bp in exultia

[scenic axle]

No the hot swapper upgrade

[half hollow]

yeah you get that in cultist base

[scenic axle]

Quickswitching without that has got to feel horrible

[half hollow]

pretty early though in cultist base

[half hollow]

you arent really doing much quickswitching in the early game anyway

its mostly just sticky and pb

[scenic axle]

But I could pb sticky

For literally everything

It’s been so long since I’ve done the main campaign

[austere bronze]

for some reason i can sticky punch cancel without FSE, but absolutely cannot pb+sticky

[fringe torrent]

Are you playing on a Wii

[half hollow]

no, pc, i just like these settings

unironically makes everything clearer

https://www.nexusmods.com/doometernal/mods/1608?tab=description

this is what im using

[scenic axle]

I gotta use that for some slaughter maps

I tried to open skill issue encounter and it instantly crashed 💀

[half hollow]

im not sure it even affects performance

[austere bronze]

yeah it's the same for me quite often

[half hollow]

i just use it because i like how it looks

[austere bronze]

the video i did on it was the first time it worked for me lmao

[scenic axle]

LOL

[austere bronze]

probably cause of all the custom ai

[scenic axle]

Hey you beat it when it was working at least

Isn’t it like 5 of each superheavy all possessed and some possessed heavies

[austere bronze]

i mean... couldn't have beaten it if it wasn't working

[scenic axle]

I mean at least you beat it first try once you got it working so you didn’t have to try to get it to work again

I can’t type clearly

[austere bronze]

i'm pretty sure these are the spawns:
2 archviles
2 cursed prowlers
2 arachnotrons
2 cyber mancs
3 blood maykrs
2 barons
1 giant tentacle
3 behemoths (has as much hp as a normal possessed tyrant, but way more dangerous attacks)
1 hell arachnotron or whatever it's called (same hp as last enemy, and dangerous attacks again)
2 weird pain elementals (same hp as a normal possessed pain elemental)
2 weird cacos (don't have a weakpoint, weak to bp, has almost as much hp as the last enemy)

and all of this is permanently possessed ofc

but you can freeze them and there are 2 respawning maykr drones (takes 2 pb headshots to kill)

[austere bronze]

yeah that was really good😭

[half hollow]

on the 12th day of christmas my true love gave to me

[scenic axle]

Disgusting

Light work for me though of course

[stone spire]

Ngl I'm surprised my game hasn't crashed nearly as much(I'm on switch) because I've been trying lol

[scenic axle]

What levels have you been doing on it?

[stone spire]

Horde mode

And its still kicking

[scenic axle]

Nice!! I gotta replay horde mode

[austere bronze]

i gotta try the modded horde sometime

[scenic axle]

I’m assuming it’s harder than normal horde mode

[austere bronze]

same

[scenic axle]

Oh just different?

Like different enemy layout but same difficulty

[austere bronze]

not sure at all to be honest😭

think it is a decent bit harder though

but definitively no cbt

[lethal vine]

hiii need two people to help with Blood Bath achievement 🥺

[half hollow]

when that one part of the uac atlantica facility hits

https://tenor.com/view/ksi-floating-stairs-sidemen-gif-20767306

[kind basin]

That meathook reference

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-ascending-homer-simpson-meme-gif-22971083

[scenic axle]

Great soundtrack but I don’t like that level that much, I know lots of people love it but for some reason I just don’t

[fringe torrent]

I hate how it just keeps going and going and going and going

Every time I think it's over, a new arena pops up

[latent cradle]

I remember when the dlc came out. I ran through it on Nightmare. It was the first time I ever physically sweat from playing a game.

[patent stream]

Now that my 2016 replay is done a eternal replay is deemed to be soon

[dull obsidian]

i just beat taras bad on extra life nightmare and the one spot that i died in wasnt even the double archy room 😭

this was my second run of taras nabad including yesterdays standard nightmare run

does anyone have any tips on the end

[scenic axle]

Where’d you die?

[dull obsidian]

the room where you reforge the blade i believe

[drowsy wedge]

the one where you get the red coin thing?

that room is such a bitch

[austere bronze]

arguably harder than the archvile room

[bold glade]

i just got the game should i buy the dlc

[austere bronze]

i’d recommend playing it first, and then getting the DLCs on sale if you want them

[sage oasis]

if they make another doom movie who would be the actor if they would show doom guy's face?

[elder raft]

lowkey Michael Shannon would kinda fit it. he may not be very muscular but he got the face

[sage oasis]

cgi his body lol

[elder raft]

either that or put him in some muscle suit

[candid dawn]

If you ban super weapons then I think the archvile room is way harder by far

[mossy vigil]

Would like to see Karl Urban return as Doom Marine for a proper Doom novie.

[proven granite]

Karl Urban or Olivier Richters

[scenic axle]

I gotta replay taras, I haven’t done it without super weapons

[austere bronze]

oh yeah i was gonna do that a while back, but never completed it

i'll probably do that now actually

[scenic axle]

Imma UN it first try 🙏

[austere bronze]

lesgo

[upbeat swallow]

Hey guys

[scenic axle]

If I can just get my weapon skins to work 😭

[scenic axle]

wazzup

[nova pecan]

Hi

Hello

[scenic axle]

whats up?

[upbeat swallow]

Im just playing doom eternal srry

[scenic axle]

what level are you on?

[upbeat swallow]

Trying to beat the game on ultra nightmare just started the campaign

[scenic axle]

yesterday I was playing unreclaimed earth and I hit probably the biggest punch boost ever, I got sent up so high but I had medal closed so I couldn't record it

it was pretty funny

[scenic axle]

Good luck, you got this!!

[upbeat swallow]

Thx

[austere bronze]

dope, pboosts are really cool

[scenic axle]

ok I died once in the coin room but i'll record this next run and hopefully not goof up

[scenic axle]

im so bad 😭

[austere bronze]

just did the taras nabad ml, decent completion time i think

[austere bronze]

naww😭

you're not!

you died again?

[scenic axle]

I goofed up the coin room again

wutdaflip

and now I have class soon I gotta wait to run it again

how terrible

That was such a clean run too, I think I barely took health damage for most of the level

I got low once but that's it

[austere bronze]

that's awesome

so annoying when you have a good run and it ends😭

[scenic axle]

Ok try #2

Lemme cook

[scenic axle]

ok that only took a couple tries

I was NOT locked in

Also did it 8 minutes faster than the one on my yt wutdaflip

I was so slow when I did that one

[scenic axle]

ngl the archville room wasn't that bad and if you kill a manc and the shield soldiers with nades and bp's right after the buff totem spawns then the coin room is easy too

[austere bronze]

i feel like how long you take to beat a level can be a good indicator of skill, and definitely the most easily measured

it's very cool to look back at old gameplay and see how much faster you can beat something now

[scenic axle]

Yeah I agree, I can beat things way faster now than I used to

And you can beat things way faster than anyone else I've seen

[austere bronze]

:p

[echo thistle]

Getting into an argument with a guy about Eternal on Twitter, and he just posted "skill issue is when the game mandates you to use chainsaw every ten seconds because otherwise you have to shoot with pistol"

[austere bronze]

what does thag even mean😭

[echo thistle]

he thinks the pistol is in Eternal because it has a page on the DOOMWiki

[austere bronze]

yeaa probably not the guy worth discussing eternal with lol

what was the convo about anyways

[echo thistle]

a different guy was asking if Dark Ages was worth getting now that it's on sale, I told him I thought it was better than 2016 but worse than Eternal

Apparentlly the guy I was arguing with didn't like that take

[fringe torrent]

Arguing about that is kinda silly

[echo thistle]

yea

[fringe torrent]

Like yeah I disagree, I think TDA tops Eternal hard, won't go at your throat over it though

[scenic axle]

I think that quality wise they are all very similar, it's mostly down to your preferences

[scenic axle]

can you link it I wanna read this

[echo thistle]

https://fxtwitter.com/GillianMC1103/status/2018663480346431690

Gillian (@GillianMC1103)

@outonparole @umi_grumz @charmedone11 @Wario64 skill issue is when the game mandates you to use chainsaw every ten seconds because otherwise you have to shoot with pistol

**💬 1 👁️ 20 **

FxTwitter · Feb 3, 2026, 12:30 PM

[scenic axle]

0/10 bait

What's wrong with the chainsaw anyways 😭

[austere bronze]

boring

[scenic axle]

that's fair

[austere bronze]

like yay every 20 seconds i get to watch a boring animation to keep fighting

[scenic axle]

I wish there was a way to get ammo like from makyr drones without the full health too

they are so unbalanced

[austere bronze]

true

that's why cultist stronghold is so peak!

[scenic axle]

That level is amazing

Some of those arenas were so horrible but I loved it

[austere bronze]

yeah for sure

surprisingly few bad arenas considering the nature of the level though, imo at least

[scenic axle]

I think bad for me is easy for you 💀

[fringe torrent]

Guy was speaking truth with the common misconception part (because people treat it as fact and not opinion) but then dropped the ball HARD

[austere bronze]

oh you meant bad as hard?

[scenic axle]

But like the chainsaw would be a design issue not a skill issue what did he mean by that

[scenic axle]

yeah

[fringe torrent]

I think that was the point

The other guy said skill issue, he's rebutting that claim by saying this

[real holly]

even though Eternal is my favorite game ever i agree with this

[fringe torrent]

(Not a good rebuttal all things considered)

[austere bronze]

ya i mean it's aslo my fave game

[real holly]

all the chainsaw ends up doing is like, suggesting i vary my combos if im being too restrictive with my guns but even then it's just, eh to have to chainsaw fodder so much it ends up adding little

the only thing i genuinely like in regards to the Eternal chainsaw is saving it for pain elementals

[scenic axle]

Is there a way to make makyr drones drop like 50 health instead of 200

[real holly]

the weirdest thing is that if theres makyr drones in the stage you'll find far less chainsaw usage cause they give u so much ammonia

[scenic axle]

I think having that in levels would be so much better

[real holly]

out of the main campaign enemies I legitimately don't understand the makyr drones, like what do they even add

[scenic axle]

I literally never chainsaw if there are some

[scenic axle]

Instant full health and ammo restack (a savior for people with skill issue)

[real holly]

environmental? Seems like the only adequate definition, like the demonic troopers

[scenic axle]

I think it was probably added to make it easier

[real holly]

probably yeah

shame the only urdak born forces worth a damn are the Blood Makyrs

[scenic axle]

Urdak has some arenas way harder than what you previously play in the rest of the campaign

Blood makyrs are cool

Except when they hit me

[austere bronze]

could edit some file somewhere but idk how

[real holly]

i wouldn't have minded a actually challenging Makyr enemy in Urdak and Final Sin, or hell even in the later parts of Nekravol where the Makyr arquitecture shows up

[scenic axle]

Yeah that would’ve been cool, a makyr super heavy would be neat

[real holly]

the makyr that goes "welcome home great Slayer" I wouldn't have minded fighting them they have such raw design

[austere bronze]

genuinely anytime there's an arena with maykr drones i just know it will be very beatable

they're so annoying because they can allow you to play very cautiously and constantly restack

[scenic axle]

Yeah it doesn’t matter what enemies are there when you can instantly get full health

It’s so unbalanced

[austere bronze]

allowing you to beat things which you should not actually be able to beat

[scenic axle]

Yeah they are poorly designed

I’ve probably been carried through levels by them

[real holly]

i think the main campaign was missing something the dlc's brought (possessed) which was demons that are tanky and as aggressive as dread knights

[austere bronze]

we all have

[real holly]

well i guess the marauder falls under that category, but the shield changes everything

[scenic axle]

Yeah there’s nothing in the main campaign that’s very aggressive, barons kind of are but once you get good at movement you can easily run

[real holly]

oh yeah barons in theory should be ultra dread knights but no

[scenic axle]

I gotta play with ai haste 2 again sometime

It makes barons spooky

[austere bronze]

it makes doom hunters absolutely cracked

i haven't done any custom difficulty in a long while

haven't played a ton, and when i have played i've just done pretty comfortable stuff

[scenic axle]

Cyber grind is quite cool

one of the arenas tanks my frames for some reason though

[real holly]

okay so apparently i returned to the holt after getting way better and i absolutely stomped samur wtf

i even missed one bfg shot against the possesed pain elemental but using the microwave beam to stun the spastic fucker is so useful

[gilded quest]

Have eny of you guys ever heard of the game doom eternal it's a really fun game I highly recommend it

[vivid escarp]

S

(Those who know)

[vivid escarp]

Have you ever heard of S? It's a gamemode in doom eternal

[gilded quest]

I think I have heard of it

[scenic axle]

Yeah it's gotten way easier for me too

[scenic axle]

Yeah that stun can be helpful on rare occasions

[real holly]

no, only Fortnite

[charred vortex]

No I haven't care to explain

[scenic axle]

forkknife

[real holly]

Welcome Home Great Slayer is such a good track

[scenic axle]

The whole soundtrack is so good

[scenic axle]

Just played niflheim pass, that’s a really cool custom level!

It’s amazing that it has its own custom soundtrack

I'll probably record a run sometime

[austere bronze]

singleplayer🗣️ 🗣️

[worthy saffron]

Hi. Is there any way I can launch Steam Version of Doom Eternal on my Apple Silicon - powered mac device?

[cinder iris]

I don't think this game launched on macOS

[lone socket]

I don't think this game was released on the Gameboy

[nova pecan]

Pls you play with my Roblox

[mighty pendant]

i bought the ancient gods dlcs!

[graceful quartz]

Doomicorn is on discount

I'm gonna get it

[scenic axle]

what's that

[graceful quartz]

Doom Slayer in a unicron outfit

[scenic axle]

you have to pay for that?

[graceful quartz]

It was a free twitch skin

But after the free event ended

[scenic axle]

ah

[graceful quartz]

You had to buy it

I believe that's pretty much with most Doom Eternal cosmetic packs

[scenic axle]

modded skins >

[graceful quartz]

I am a Playstation user

So I unfortunately don't have access to those

[scenic axle]

ah dang

[worldly geyser]

I feel so unstoppable right now, a few hours ago I finally finished Ultra Nightmare for the first time

[scenic axle]

Nice!! Any levels you’re going to try next?

[worldly geyser]

well, after Im done with EXAMS, I most definitely will try to ultra nightmare both dlcs

and after that, a 100% UN run for the main campaign looks somewhat appealing, for whatever reason