doom-eternal

[charred gale]

gladiator with five times as many phases

[azure oriole]

Having you actually fight a ton of demons in the normally-empty areas would be funny + harder elite Gladiator fight where he is recolored to be a classic Baron of Hell

[charred gale]

sentinel prime areas would be AWFUL as arenas

far too claustrophobic

[azure oriole]

This is why it would be funny.

[charred gale]

you can definitely make something out of like

the arena in the ship, the mall arenas, and the last part of the level

[visual mirage]

Offwine's sentinel prime master level

[austere bronze]

yeah, but the geo's horrible and half your deaths will be because you got stuck in it

unholy urdak is amazing, but only on the mod injector

i think even the balanced version is harder than most if not all normal master levels though

haven't tried it personally though

and then there's 2 other urdak MLs on the official mod portal and mod injector

maybe some more, but unsure of that

[charred gale]

I don't reckon anything with cyber mancs would be fun to play but I bet something that really focuses on dread knights and pinkies would be great

maybe a tyrant or two in the more open arenas

a tyrant + marauder combo at the last fight before the portal could be fun

or maybe terrible who knows

[teal jay]

the marauder

[charred gale]

now that I think about it maybe pinkies wouldn't be the best for hell on earth

maybe dread knights for the main course then pain elementals and cacodemons to flesh it out

👀 exciting

[austere bronze]

you can go and play one of the hell on earth master levels and see how it feels

..just don't do tormented earth

[charred gale]

is it really stupidly difficult or just bad

[austere bronze]

really difficult

it starts off fine, but when you get to the first real arena it's just pain

[charred gale]

took me 3 and a half hours to do mars core master on nightmare I think I will take your word for it

[teal jay]

mars core

[austere bronze]

even the balanced version of it is somehow absolutely fucked

[teal jay]

mars core isn’t that bad

[charred gale]

is making custom master levels a straightforward process or do I have to learn a complicated level editor

[austere bronze]

haven't tried it myself, so i can't comment

[teal jay]

i’m on xbox

[austere bronze]

they're talking about the master level

[teal jay]

i know

[charred gale]

mars core master combines a lot of things that I do not like to see in d:e levels

[teal jay]

just lock in

[austere bronze]

it's one of the harder master levels😭

[teal jay]

being harder doesn’t mean it’s hard, i beat it on ultra nightmare a while ago

[charred gale]

arenas with a ridiculous number of waves + mancubi and archviles in tight spaces + monster closets filled with rusher enemies + purple goo

[austere bronze]

it definitely is hard

just because you can beat it doesn't make it easy

[teal jay]

john doom has already beat it on ultra nightmare

[teal jay]

practice on lower difficulties and work your way up

[austere bronze]

my favorite ml😢

[austere bronze]

ye, i know, i can beat the level

[teal jay]

this autocorrect really starting to fuckin annoy me

[austere bronze]

but i still think the level is hard by unmodded standards

[mystic valve]

there is a sentinel prime master level

[austere bronze]

hard for me? no
hard? yes

[teal jay]

just move around

and they can’t hurt you

mr john uses meat hook skip to just teleport to the end of the level

[charred gale]

I haven't really "locked in" on campaign un for lack of a better term but I feel like mars master un could genuinely be harder than a full campaign un run for me

[teal jay]

it’s easier to practice, because it’s just one level

[austere bronze]

it's not that easy😭 otherwise no one would be dying

[charred gale]

I'm able to just hop into campaign urdak on nightmare and wash it in one go but mars master took me three and a half hours to do once on nightmare as mentioned

[teal jay]

learning the spawns and environment can make more of an impact than your overall skill

[austere bronze]

for sure

[charred gale]

campaign un probably has a crazy nerve control element though

[austere bronze]

un is a boring difficulty

[teal jay]

it is fr

[charred gale]

thing is this was not my first time trying mars master

[teal jay]

can’t pc players just turn on god mode

you guys are pc

[austere bronze]

i am at least

[charred gale]

I already knew how most of it went going in cause there were like eight or nine times I tried to sit down and finish it before today

[teal jay]

oof

[charred gale]

that's cheats though...

[austere bronze]

yea lol
although funny thing, for un, the devs made it so if you try and do that your health is put at 20 and nothing more happens, but you can still just use g_damageScaleAllToSlayer 0

[teal jay]

not bannable i think

[teal jay]

yeah you can do that

i’ve never done it, because i’m on xbox

[charred gale]

I don't want cheated stats on my save game

that's stolen valour

[teal jay]

i get that

some people just do it because they literally cannot do un

[austere bronze]

yeah cheating un literally defeats the entire purpose of it

[teal jay]

fr

i’d rather just relentlessly train for it and eventually get it, or just give up

the only person you cheat it yourself

[austere bronze]

wait no i just completely forgot about the sgn ml when i said this lol

[charred gale]

sgn master level is not real

[teal jay]

super gore nest ml is awesome

but holy FUCK was it buggy at release

[charred gale]

if you can beat sgn master you are on a different level to everyone else

[teal jay]

been there done that

[austere bronze]

lol glad i didn't experience it in that state

[teal jay]

yeah

[austere bronze]

generally mars core is considered to be harder

[teal jay]

more bugs than grounded

the game would just softlock, or lock enemies behind walls that you couldn’t kill, so you had to restart cuz u couldn’t progress

[tired kraken]

mars core and taras nabad are worse

[teal jay]

pro tip, go settings, then to music and then jt up all the way

[charred gale]

my experiences have been different

I don't think I've ever actually finished sgn master

I definitely haven't finished taras nabad master because of this one arena

[teal jay]

taras nabad un was the easiest for me

[charred gale]

circular arena with a buff totem that spawns two of every demon every half a minute

and it's where you usually get the crucible

you know the one

[teal jay]

don’t forget the buffed marauder in smoke

[charred gale]

all of my taras nabad master attempts have died there because I just give up

[teal jay]

they should make it so that on ultra nightmare

archvile spawn possessed demons instead of buffed ones, and they can spawn any super heavy

and their spawn action is 50% quicker so you have less time to interrupt their summoning

[charred gale]

they're planning this for the tag 1 master levels

[teal jay]

that’s great news

i like a challenge!

[austere bronze]

huh😭 i'd say that's the hardest to un because of the coin room and double archvile arena

[teal jay]

BFG

[austere bronze]

were you worse at the game when you played sgn?

[charred gale]

HOW TO HANDLE ARCHVILES (WORKS EVERY TIME (I ALWAYS DO THIS))

1. Get close to them
2. Crucible

[charred gale]

probably

[teal jay]

he’s right

[charred gale]

I think i got a little better at the game recently

[teal jay]

just super weapon the archvile (s)

[charred gale]

which is odd cause I haven't played in so long

I just got the bug to play again

[teal jay]

i remember a time where i took like a 3 month break of doom and i got rusty, and decided to hop back on a mars core master level nightmare

i was instantly molested

so make sure your skills are up to date

[austere bronze]

i am too bad to loose any skills😎

[teal jay]

please beat tag 1 and 2 ultra nightmare

in a row

[austere bronze]

what about no

[teal jay]

my point has been proven

[austere bronze]

waht

[charred gale]

I feel like I hardly ever need time to derust with games

like usually just give me a day or two and if I'm trying to get back into it I will

maybe rust is an illusion

[austere bronze]

losing skills in eternal is so overplayed imo

most of the muscle memory is maintained unless you took a really long break, and you regain lost skills very fast

[charred gale]

I can definitely see that

it's like the whole game is just all muscle memory

[austere bronze]

yea i think once you can autopilot the game, you maintain your skills very well for a long period of time

[rough zodiac]

#videos message Ive been having this bug and not been able to figure out how to fix it

[slim vine]

Yo i just got eternal

Is it normal that the game is crashing on pc?

[fringe torrent]

What do you think

[slim vine]

Listen i just got done playing borderlands where it was normal the game would have memory leaks and other stability issues

[storm eagle]

unfortunately yes

Try verifying your game files and reboot. Eternal crashes a lot though, for everyone. Why, I don't know...

[fringe torrent]

"Gods of optimization" 💔

[slim vine]

If i fast travel to previous areas does it respawn enemies ive cleared?

[austere bronze]

no

[storm eagle]

No

hi M1

[austere bronze]

hi LM

[slim vine]

Is nightmare that hard when youre a good fps player

[austere bronze]

you should switcv your L and M and put the bottom part of the L at the top for a better name tbh

[storm eagle]

Just had about 100 flashbacks of vc with M1 saying "oh...my game crashed. lol"

[storm eagle]

wat

[austere bronze]

LM->ML->M1

[storm eagle]

this is why I won't do UN

[austere bronze]

omg yeah😭 😭

[storm eagle]

I played some ML's this week

[austere bronze]

i think nightmare would challenge pretty much any player on a first playthrough

[storm eagle]

Imagine getting to Final Sin and your game crashing

[storm eagle]

It's a good challenge. If you're good at FPS games you may find it just the right amount of challenge

[slim vine]

Im just worried its gonna make me play like a bitch sniping people with the assault rifle instead of messing around with everything

[fringe torrent]

I had Eternal crash on me when I beat Davoth on NM

[slim vine]

Its kinda how i played 2016 on the hardest difficulty

[austere bronze]

you can't really hide or just hang back in eternal

[slim vine]

I know i meant move + snipe

[austere bronze]

although, if it's too difficult, you'll probably improve slower and experiment less yeah

you can always change the difficulty whenever you want to though

[slim vine]

Yeah ig ill see

[storm eagle]

Yeah try it and decide, some people like to start on Nightmare. I personally like to learn the mechanics on lower difficulties first, but that's just me. Whatever feels best for you is right.

You might get swarmed though, just warning ya. Move like...nonstop. Don't try and stop and focus on one enemy to kill. Widdle them all down.

Unless it's an Archvile lol

[fringe torrent]

I used to start games on easy, now I start them on medium, and sometimes like for TDA I start with hard. Difficulty options are awesome and NOT woke

[storm eagle]

Agreed very much

[fringe torrent]

That entire woke controversy was so stupid

But that's a dead discussion for another channel

[austere bronze]

yup, absolutely one of the most important things

and it's so easy to fall into the trap of thinking that leaving an enemy alive is bad

[sacred spear]

I always start DooM games on UV. It's the tried and true way to play the classics and it helps me get familiar with the modern games' mechanics without being too much of a pushover.

[storm eagle]

And learning later that leaving a caco alive here and there is great for movement lol

[storm eagle]

UV is peak

[fringe torrent]

I started TDA on UV. Replayed 2016 and Eternal on UV recently too (Eternal on UV yesterday actually!) so now all I have left to replay is TAG 1 and I'll have every modern game down on UV

Eternal on UV definitely taught me a lot of things I'll be implementing. Remote det rocks and meathook abuse is fun are the two key ones

[wicked ridge]

I love TAG1 on UV

[slim vine]

Pretty sure it was about giving the shield more iframes not about the difficulty setting

[wicked ridge]

Probably my favorite way to play it

[sacred spear]

TAG1 is probably the best id-created set of levels to ever exist. Absolutely baller expansion.

[slim vine]

Calling it woke is stupid but it should probably just be 1 setting

[wicked ridge]

Oh please, woke has no meaning anymore

[slim vine]

Ye

[fringe torrent]

I distinctly remember people calling the sliders woke just for letting lower skilled players still have fun

[wicked ridge]

I want people to have fun with games. Gate keeping sucks

[jolly kernel]

I'm so used to playing Eternal on ultra-violence that I probably would play on nightmare for a bigger challenge

[wicked ridge]

It’s fine for a game to be hard, they’ll whine about it being hard, but then they whine when easy modes are given out. Its bs

I remember seeing all the “Silksong is too hard” posts the day it came out. Like bro play the game and get skilled it just came out 😭

[jolly kernel]

the difference in terms of enemy damage between uv and nightmare is HUGE

[fringe torrent]

I think it should go both ways. Adding a super easy mode is great for accessibility but adding a super hard mode is also great because it's fun (to an extent)

[slim vine]

I always like how from software did it

Game is hard by default and you can make it significantly easier with items and exploration

[jolly kernel]

Eternal is also rather generous with extra lives which makes nightmare even easier

[wicked ridge]

I hate that subculture of dicks who think games should appeal to their specific likings

Like exclusively

[storm eagle]

Most of the Doom community unfortunately lol

[wicked ridge]

I hate hypocrisy

Thats what those people are is hypocritical

Either the game is too hard or is woke for having an easy mode. Pick a side and take a number

[fringe torrent]

"This game and movie sucks. Did I watch it? Of course not"

[austere bronze]

i think basically the entire "tda woke" thing was just attention bait

[wicked ridge]

Its always attention bait

[storm eagle]

Doom 3 reference

[austere bronze]

and then people just talked about it a lot which made it seem much bigger than it actually is

[storm eagle]

lol

[wicked ridge]

Doom 3 gets a bad rep sadly

I love Doom 3 so much, people just suck at opinions and actually adapting to new games

[storm eagle]

The woke thing was weird...people just call any modern game woke now it seems

[wicked ridge]

Lets be real, its because of the women characters

[storm eagle]

truth

[wicked ridge]

Sexism in the game space is huge

[storm eagle]

much truth

[wicked ridge]

Too much?

[storm eagle]

Yeah, we're veering a bit off topic

[wicked ridge]

Ok, got it.

I was gonna go on the whole redeeming bad people tirade but forgot we were in Eternals chat 😭

But I digress, sexism bad Doom good.

[storm eagle]

I may replay a master level in a bit

Thanksgiving isn't until 2pm for me with the folks, and it's only 9:24am now

[wicked ridge]

I still need to finish the challenges for golden combat shotgun

[austere bronze]

i might actually do that too

am kinda bored, and haven't done the mars core ml in a whilee

oh lol, forgot i had a randomizer active

randomized mars core ml is super good though

[slim vine]

Eternal just crashed my entire pc

[wicked ridge]

Yikes, whats your pc specs?

[slim vine]

3700x 2080 16gig ram

Doubt its that

[wicked ridge]

I was just curious tbh

[slim vine]

I manually overclocked my ram maybe its not as stable as i thought

[wicked ridge]

Probably that

[fringe torrent]

Actual specs? Like graphics card

[slim vine]

Zotac rtx 2080 amp extreme

[fringe torrent]

Alright yeah unless you are EXTREMELY bottlenecked then specs shouldn't be an issue

[sacred spear]

it's almost certainly the RAM OC. Memory is famously unstable unless you run MemTest for a week straight

[slim vine]

I ran testmem5 for an hour

But yeah might notve been enough

I just unlocked runes

Isnt saving throw kinda essential?

[sacred spear]

if it was just a crash-to-desktop I would think it's maybe just a random crash but hard-rebooting points me to a hardware issue (ie OC).

[slim vine]

Its between saving throw and seek and destroy for me

Or air control

[austere bronze]

definitely get air control first

[sacred spear]

I consider Air Control mandatory and treat the game like it effectively only has 2 rune slots.
I don't use ST because I take playing video games too seriously.
I prefer Savagery but it and Seek and Destroy are down to preference I think. Do you want faster glory kills and less time in an animation or more range and iframes?

[austere bronze]

saving throw is pretty meh

[wicked ridge]

Air control is my first priority

[slim vine]

Makes sense except what do you mean you take videogames too seriously so you dont pick st

[sacred spear]

I made a point to not use Saving Throw during my successful UN playthrough and now tie my ego to that fact

if you're min maxing it makes sense to always take Saving Throw because you'd get use out of 4 runes instead of just 3

[slim vine]

Why 4? You dont have to equip saving throw?

Im just playing nightmare so dying isnt the end of the world i guess

[austere bronze]

only reason to pick saving throw is if you're doing UN imo

[sacred spear]

You do but it's single use so once it procs you'd want to switch to another rune, otherwise you'd be wasting a slot.

[slim vine]

The quick scope prompt is just aim assist for controllers?

[fringe torrent]

Quick scope prompt?

[wicked ridge]

Yeah, what quick scope prompt?

[slim vine]

A small tutorial pop up telling me i can quick scope

Was kinda pointless

[fringe torrent]

How is that aim assist 😭

[wicked ridge]

My brother in Megasphere that is NOT aim assist

[slim vine]

It said at the bottom that it would auto target weak spots on controller

[fringe torrent]

That doesn't make the prompt aim assist

[wicked ridge]

I think it means that it would if you have aim assist on

Cause I always have it off and it sure as shit doesn’t target weak spots automatically

[slim vine]

Yeah probably

Im sweating my balls off flickshotting to heads i couldnt imagine playing on roller let alone without AA lmfao

[fringe torrent]

Homie is gitting gud 😌

[wicked ridge]

As someone who plays Eternal UN on controller it isn’t that bad

Sure it isn’t pinpoint precision but it really isn’t hard

[slim vine]

Im a big heavy cannon enjoyer

U can shoot shoot scope like ashe from ow

[scenic axle]

Yeah quickswapping might be harder to learn but that’s really it

[slim vine]

First tried the slayer gate 🔥

[scenic axle]

Nice, which one?

[austere bronze]

in my experience at least, quick swapping isn't harder, but it is hard to quick swap while moving well, using your equipment, and looking around

[storm eagle]

without tech, quickswapping is slower than 2016 which bums me out

[prisma egret]

Rip and tear until it's done

[frank drum]

micro misiles enjoyer myself

[teal jay]

based

we all love micro missles

[frank drum]

💪

[visual mirage]

Better mod than pb

[storm eagle]

unfriended

[austere bronze]

why are you guys even using the mods

heavy cannon base fire is the goat

[scenic axle]

It’s alright, but I’ve found base melee to be the best

[austere bronze]

so true, how else would you punch cancel..

[visual hornet]

Happy Thanksgiving

[slim vine]

The first one

[fringe torrent]

Replayed TAG 1, still peak

[void delta]

Why doesnt the meathook work sometimes? Does anyone else have this problem?

[visual mirage]

Nah DOOM Eternal is a 100% bug free game

Dunno what you are talking about

[void delta]

Also is the Samur bossfight really stupid or am I just bad at the game?

Like it was a cool bossfight, dont get me wrong- but there was so much going on 😭 I couldnt stay alive long at all

[astral hamlet]

it's the hardest boss fight in the game for sure

the fucking laser beams all over the place are a pain

[void delta]

Ok good lol I was afraid I was alone on that one

I really wanna get the ultra nightmare skin for TAG1 but that bossfight is most likely gonna stop me from doing that :/

[fallow nebula]

hey so i used to play a lot of doom eternal on my xbox and migrated to pc. where is all of my stuff?

[scenic axle]

It’s crazy hard

[scenic axle]

You got this! Practice the fight enough and you’ll get it

[fringe torrent]

All of TAG 1 is gonna stop me from trying UN, or even NM lmao

[fringe torrent]

It doesn't carry over unless you migrated to the Xbox on PC version (I was thinking of TDA, sorry)

[fallow nebula]

so all of my stuff i got on my xbox is gone? i had a few rare stuff in there because i play since 2020

[fringe torrent]

If you play it on Xbox again it'll still be there but Eternal does not have crossprogression

[fallow nebula]

no skins, no nothing?

[fringe torrent]

Yes

The only things you will keep are things tied to your Bethesda.net account; Slayers Club items and giveaway rewards

[austere bronze]

practice it specifically and find a consistent strategy

[void delta]

But idk what the strategy even is thsre lol

[fallow nebula]

i cant get em back in any way? i miss my cultist slayer and a venom-like dread knight skin i had :(

[fringe torrent]

Sorry, you'll have to get it all back, at least the items you even can get back

[fallow nebula]

what itens you cant get back?

[fringe torrent]

Anything that was part of events that never got repeated or never became DLC

[austere bronze]

for the pain elemenral+dread knight for example, you can arbalest the pain elemental immediately 4 times while staying on the pillars, and then kill the spirit
after that you can LOB the dread knight to death

[fallow nebula]

is there any way i can see what can and cannot get back

[fringe torrent]

I don't think a full list like that exists

[void delta]

You can arbalest the elemental to death? I didnt even think of that

Im gonna go practice that lol

Yeah nvm- I cant even get to the bossfight on nightmare difficulty

[visual mirage]

Wanna know how to cheese that boss fight?

[void delta]

Idek how to get to it on nightmare without dying lol

[slim vine]

Any must have praetor suit upgrades?

[candid dawn]

I always go for thick skin>hot swap>fast dash as my first three

[scenic axle]

I get faster dashing and quickswapping first

[slim vine]

Damn i went all out on the exploration stuff first

[pliant meteor]

It’s crazy hard

My only beef with the fight is that you spend basically no time actually fighting Samur

[void delta]

Fr, youre always stuck fighting the eye thinking or blood maykrs, and then you gotta fight possessed demons

[pliant meteor]

I liked stage 1 and 2 a lot

There are definitely moments where it starts to feel a bit like they wanted to do more but kinda didn’t

Like the dual possessed demons are hard

But idk it’s not really a boss fight

[void delta]

Yeah, it'd be better if after you beat the possessed demons, you have to hit Samur

[pliant meteor]

I think you do right

There is a glory kill on him

[pale echo]

I couldn't beat the Khan Maykr without sentimental armour

[pliant meteor]

You Deff could

[void delta]

Really? She wasnt that hard tbh

[pale echo]

But I also have a bad reaction time and my brain stalls LMAO

[pliant meteor]

Three words

[pale echo]

This is a get good moment ik

[pliant meteor]

Lock on rockets

[void delta]

Lmaoo samee

[pale echo]

I tried but I kept running out of ammo dhdhjfg

I have to play the doom games on the easiest setting or I can't beat the game

[pliant meteor]

you’ll get her next time

Calling sentinel armour sentimental armour is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while though

Points for that

[pale echo]

I'm not a gamer, I'm a gaymer chat

I DIDN'T MEAN TO I'M ILLITERATE LMAO

[pliant meteor]

Take the wins

Even when u don’t mean to

[pale echo]

Sobs

I cant use my nitro emojis

[pliant meteor]

But u can use ur lock on rockets

[slim eagle]

[pliant meteor]

Is your name an argent dnur reference

Or am I doom brainrotted

[slim eagle]

no

[pliant meteor]

I read it Urgent T’mor everytime

[slim eagle]

[pale echo]

tumor is urgent

[upbeat ravine]

I just beat Doom Eternal and I think imma try Ancient Gods. I have no idea what that entails, anyone have any advice?

[astral hamlet]

TAG 1 is pretty damn hard compared to the main campaign
out of the top 5 hardest combat arenas in the game, it probably has 4 of them

[upbeat ravine]

Ruh roh

[astral hamlet]

imo the exultia slayer gate and the last couple arenas in final sin are the only things that can really hold a candle to tag1's difficulty

although it doesn't start you off on an insane difficulty spike right away--the first few arenas in the first mission are pretty similar to what you were seeing at the end of the game

[upbeat ravine]

Thank you!

[teal jay]

tag 1 will be a pain in the ass. tag 2 will be pretty nice. brace yourself

[visual mirage]

I wish DOOM Eternal: The Ancient Gods - Part One was real

[wicked ridge]

Yeah fr

Its a shame they canceled Eternals Dlc after the Chex Quest side expansion didn't sell well

[storm wolf]

might be a bit late, but max out the frag grenade and get dexterity (quicker weapon and mod swaps)

[narrow wedge]

Hey

[full summit]

hello

[thin yew]

Anybody got any tips ? I just started mission 5 and I’m stuck on the 5th arena (I think)

(I play on console)

[slim vine]

Im glad i picked air control because holy fuck

A d strafing midair feels pretty good and actually dodges so much stuff

[jolly kernel]

so what would you guys say about playing both 2016 and Eternal on nightmare? ultra-violence in both games started to feel too forgiving to me at this point. enemies deal much more damage on nightmare compared to uv, but is it too punishing if you make even the smallest mistake or get cornered?

[slim vine]

As for weapon upgrades are there any must have ones?

Ive been using sticky bombs and precision bolt the most

They just do so much damage

[fringe torrent]

Both of the rocket launcher mods are insanely useful

[tired kraken]

eternal on nightmare is definitely more balanced than 2016

[slim vine]

Theses 1 ups keep bailing me out

[austere bronze]

like anome said, both rocket mods are very useful
but the energy shield is also super good, and same for the destroyer blade

mobile turret got very good dps if you don't quick swap

unless you quick switch, i don't think precision bolt is that useful tbh

[fringe torrent]

Finished replaying TAG 2 and Horde
Still peak (this will get me flamed)

[minor geyser]

Just got a steam deck and doom eternal. I wanted to download the infinite arena mod. Will this be possible with stean deck?

[vast star]

Should Work for you as Long as you use the latest Version where it launches you into a selection Window where you can choose modded or normal

[graceful quartz]

Were you guys using the "It was so ass that everyone pretends like it doesn't exist" insult for The Ancient Gods DLC?

[fringe torrent]

TAG 1 and 2 are arguably id's most popular expansion packs

[wicked ridge]

I like TAG1 and understand why TAG2 wasn’t as good

[austere bronze]

time issue

[austere bronze]

depends on which one we're talking about :p

definitely not for the first, but the second we can just sweep under the rug...

[visual mirage]

I would have preferred the original idea for the dlc where you play as another character during the beginning of the invasion

[olive moss]

no other character in doom could ever have the batshit mobility doomguy pulls off in eternal

it would just be 2016 if that makes sense

[olive moss]

although tag 2 wasnt as good as tag 1, what we got under the time restraints was still really good

[visual mirage]

Nuh uh

[upbeat ravine]

Def late but for me playing on the Knuckels controls helps a lot.

Knuckles*

[thin yew]

@upbeat ravine Knuckles controls? What are those

[upbeat ravine]

It’s the configuration of what the buttons do on your controller. If you are already used to your current configuration, you might not want to switch.

It just works for me since I play other shooter games, and I’ve found that that is the closest one.

[visual mirage]

RT to jump

[thin yew]

Oh ok

Ima try them out

[teal jay]

difficulty

we all know that most doom eternal players are masochists that love hard difficulty, tag 1 was that, tag 2 was tailored more to the easier side casual

[calm frigate]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-seriously-cat-cat-really-cat-really-look-cat-look-gif-5524432498705390840

[astral hamlet]

no, difficulty has nothing to do with it

even if tag2 were more difficult than tag1, it wouldn't change a thing

the arenas are repetitive and uninspired, the "new" enemies do not serve any purpose other than annoying the player, fodder is spammed left and right, and the hammer completely invalidates the chainsaw, an integral part of the combat loop

it says a lot about tag2's design that even custom master levels using the level's pre-existing geometry are less fun than their tag1 and base game counterparts

oh, and the final boss
that goes without saying

[upbeat ravine]

How’d it go?

[thin yew]

Meh, it looks great but I still have to adjust

[upbeat ravine]

That’s just my preference. I would recommend looking through the options and picking the one that works for you. But I am so glad that there is another living person who plays Eternal on controller. 🎉

[small helm]

personally I just use default layout

[fringe torrent]

I have the most basic default one, not even any weapon binds

[carmine tartan]

I use Tactical, since that's what I've used since 2016. If I had a pro controller, I'd probably use the default layout again.

[umbral ember]

It can't be wierd that I never use bfg right

Like I refuse to

Im struggling like hell (ha) in final sin nightmare but I refuse to use bfg

[astral hamlet]

if you don't have a bunch of arbitrary self-imposed restrictions, can you really call yourself a doom player

[kind basin]

I'm spamming chaingun shield till the day I die

[astral hamlet]

well you also play on console
which is just harder by default anyway

[umbral ember]

Tbf im spamming the hell out of d blade

Idk what i was doing without it before

[astral hamlet]

well d blade requires at the bare minimum proper equipment usage

[umbral ember]

Yup

[umbral ember]

Ice bomb or stagger

I just went behind the tyrant when it wasn't locked on me theyre blind as hell

[umbral ember]

I dont really use chaingun shield

Which i should

[umbral ember]

No

[visual mirage]

Doom eternal brainrot*

[austere bronze]

you can also be in the air or bhop while charging it

[umbral ember]

Yea I do that before entering a room

If I know where all the demons spawn at least

[storm eagle]

everytime I look in here it's tech talk and it bores me atp

[umbral ember]

Im just not consistent at quick switching

Sometimes I switch to plasma rifle when I want ballista

[austere bronze]

you can do that while in an arena

[umbral ember]

Then I panick and die

[austere bronze]

my main way to charge the dblade is usually a combination of being in the air and bhopping

[visual mirage]

Did you know they removed a cool fire effect from the blades of the fireborne baron?

[astral hamlet]

that's doom eternal play in a nutshell

[storm eagle]

it can be played without it turning into an egotistical flex though

[jovial coral]

🤓

[astral hamlet]

yes it can

but that's half the fun for a lot of people

[storm eagle]

yeah I'm well aware

WELL aware lol

[astral hamlet]

can't play eternal normally nowadays smh my head

[storm eagle]

it just sounds snobby to me a good portion of the time even if it is useful occasionally

Good players don't need to prove themselves

[visual mirage]

Buffed demons were more of a threat because of the crappy faltering system

[gentle thicket]

I still wonder why people called down eternal woke?

[astral hamlet]

I have literally never heard that said before

[visual mirage]

Whiplash and revenants especially

[storm eagle]

I have and I don't understand it either

[gentle thicket]

Yeah

[visual mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/880612229504962610/1444413340981137418/image.png?ex=692c9e40&is=692b4cc0&hm=d1370b587faff081c9cfc823b02eb14df40d280ee9ca8ab5f536de0d01c66a29&

[kind basin]

Is this for battlemode?

[storm eagle]

hi samir

[kind basin]

Hello

[astral hamlet]

hmm yess

very woke

[austere bronze]

yeah, duh
why else would the base punch be weak? they're intentionally demasculating doomguy😤

[visual mirage]

Tbh (to be honest) its not very woke of them because its only for consoles
Its not like there's also bad slayers on pc that dont have good movement and cant quickswap ||(me)||

[storm eagle]

lol

so true

[astral hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/my-boy-massacred-godfather-marlan-brando-look-gif-13993325

[summer star]

Bro I js bouth a music album called doom eternal and it came with a free game

[graceful current]

Doom Eternal Album

what a funny joke

[summer star]

Bro it has like 80 songs

[fringe torrent]

Aka mid

Mixing is terrible, Icon of Sin theme sounds like it's underwater

[graceful current]

I just listen to TDH’s mixes and prosper

[graceful current]

They should add that to the game

Just ruin all the music for no reason

[fringe torrent]

I listen to whatever I can get my hands on, this is literally like the only time I've been disgusted by a poor mixing job

[graceful current]

Dinoheretic has the best eternal mixes I think

His Gladiator one recreates that one trailer mix of it near the end and it made my jaw drop

I’m not big on Koma’s fan mixes cause it feels like he tries to include EVERY STEM which hinders them more than helps yk

[fringe torrent]

I wish I knew what you are talking about

[viscid marten]

Can u dm it to me if possible?

[graceful current]

user here’s fan mixes

[fringe torrent]

No I know

I mean the trailer mix

[graceful current]

one sec

[viscid marten]

I wanna hear it

[graceful current]

https://youtu.be/2HOClc6Svg4?si=CuGFddD6TnFO_9Yu

[graceful current]

I’d probably just ask the guy himself, he’s posted links to them on this server before iirc

[fringe torrent]

I have never even seen this trailer before

That Gladiator part is great but the beginning music absolutely sucks

[graceful current]

Mick’s twitter posts have left me begging for him to remake the cultist base mix

The little flourishes in his video on Twitter are so sick

[viscid marten]

@drowsy cedar i heard u got a nice gladiator mix

[fringe torrent]

Not necessarily related but I replayed DOOM and DOOM II recently and idk what we were smoking by saying IDKFA is mid 😌

Countdown to Death is a bit silly at the start but the later riffs are awesome icl

[graceful current]

Oh don’t get me wrong I like IDKFA

it’s just really funny how different it is in tone to the original Doom II ost

[fringe torrent]

My only real complaint about it is sort of unrelated to the actual music itself; you're pretty much FORCED to use it in KEX, the classic OST is too quiet

You can just use Unity as a makeshift fix at least, you get non-generic credits too, but this becomes a problem with Heretic + Hexen

[graceful current]

i have my volume at ear bleeding levels so midis being quiet isn’t an issue for me

[drowsy cedar]

You heard correct! It's a tough track to mix because of the VASTLY different halves and basically no material to bridge between them

[viscid marten]

Im not a music man but that sounds HARD.

[fringe torrent]

Gladiator theme is really cool I just wish that electronic whirring part was longer

[graceful current]

I wish the new credits were present in the 2024 port but I get why you’d leave them out

[fringe torrent]

We kind of have that in the Doom Hunter theme at least

[fringe torrent]

I'm pissed they're not back vro, you don't understand, on Xbox for some reason DOOM II's credits are the DOOM I credits 😭

I have to play the game on PC via Xbox Play Anywhere to see the actual real credits

[graceful current]

In another universe there’s a KEX release of Doom + Doom II that kept the Unity credits and also made new ones for the expansions

I imagine they got removed for file size reasons or smth tho

[drowsy cedar]

Bro, you're hurting me here. The music community has wanted that orchestral take on Gladiator for half a decade now. It was probably just composed for the trailer, as Mick has been known to do (the Atomic Heart trailer track for example), but still, that would complete any Gladiator mix if we could have it in full quality

[fringe torrent]

It's just too generic and doesn't really fit the game imo

Once it picks up and actually starts playing the Gladiator tune in a more recognizable way I really dig it

[fringe torrent]

Make them demos or something

[graceful current]

True

[fringe torrent]

I feel Unity was a much bigger step forward than KEX was

KEX is obviously definitive but if you judge these versions by what they added instead of what they are as a complete package, Unity is miles ahead

[graceful current]

This is a nitpick especially cause I love the IDKFA cover of “DOOM” and maybe it’s just my awful hearing but like I really can’t pick out the iconic melody of that midi in the IDKFA remix usually

[fringe torrent]

Dang though after getting used to KEX, Unity's resolution being low is really noticeable

[graceful current]

Legacy of Rust outweighed all of Unity’s cool quirks sorry

[fringe torrent]

I can never seem to remember what the one sounds like, I'll need to look it up rq hold on

Yeah but Unity added add-ons!!!

[graceful current]

Idk why Hulshult didn’t just like

[teal jay]

andrew?

[graceful current]

Use an actual organ for the melody

[fringe torrent]

Oh it's that low jazzy one

[graceful current]

Unless there’s another 😭

[fringe torrent]

Maybe not jazzy but idk how else to describe it

Spy movie music

[teal jay]

i’m sorry brotein shake.. i just wanted to clarify..

[graceful current]

It’s ok tho cause Hulshult did a cooler cover of DOOM from Doom II in the Davoth theme

[fringe torrent]

Adrewn Hushult as one Redditor put it

[fringe torrent]

Davoth theme is nonexistent to me I have literally never heard it in-game and never cared enough to listen to it outside of the game

[graceful current]

It’s way too quiet in game

I’d suggest listening to Koma’s mix of it but fuckin hell it’s like 5 billion years long (still worth it tho)

[drowsy cedar]

It's not comprehensive though. There's some really great parts missing

[graceful current]

It has covers of At Doom’s Gate, Dark Halls, BFG Division and DOOM in it

[fringe torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264691484293070889/1444265927356186664/image.png?ex=692c14f6&is=692ac376&hm=e7ff7079a0579896c71bdb6d877b2dd40419aa0477561a818b4995ce6a288b2f&

[graceful current]

Also Shady Hayden and iirc TDH said it interpolates the Icon of Sin theme in it too???

[fringe torrent]

Recap ass theme

[graceful current]

True but Koma already has a problem of including too much so I’ll just let it slide

[graceful current]

It is The Final Battle tbf

[fringe torrent]

Well which one do you recommend for me as a Davoth-theme-virgin

[drowsy cedar]

I'll send you mine

[drowsy cedar]

I believe it's Davoth's theme that utilises notes similar to Icon of Sin, but it's a tenuous connection at best

[fringe torrent]

Which Icon of Sin theme are we talking about

Opening to Hell? Or the Eternal one?

[graceful current]

50% of commonly stated Doom “leitmotifs” are tenuous tbf

[graceful current]

Eternal

[olive moss]

its sooo goooodddd

[fringe torrent]

I'm waiting for a NuDOOM remake of Facing the Spider and Sadistic

[storm eagle]

holy yap

[graceful current]

Someone tricked me into thinking Sadistic was in Mighty Doom and I’ll never forgive them

[drowsy cedar]

Bro, notakeyring's video makes me spew. I've definitely made the mistake of connecting unrelated tracks

[storm eagle]

hi guys

[fringe torrent]

Mighty DOOM is a fever dream

Hello LM

[graceful current]

Mighty DOOM’s ost is fucking sick tbh

Some really solid covers in there

[olive moss]

its a good video but they definitely pull some shit out of nowhere

[fringe torrent]

Oh yeah that menu theme was stuck in my head for months

[graceful current]

omllll that video 😭😭😭

[olive moss]

i miss mighty doom

[graceful current]

i don’t miss Mighty Doom but I wish it wasn’t in the “we’re never letting an official album be made” Id software bin

[fringe torrent]

I posted something in #doom-2016 I thought you might find interesting but I didn't really want to ping you in case you were busy

[fringe torrent]

I don't miss it but I wish it wasn't gone, if that makes sense :p

[graceful current]

Yeah

[fringe torrent]

Like I'm not yearning for it to return, it was a fun game, I'm not crying over it, but making it entirely unplayable was overkill

[olive moss]

i played it a bit when it was still there

[drowsy cedar]

In a stream Andrew and David did for the 5 year anniversary of TAG, Andrew revealed that Blood Swamps is a variation on Bobby Prince's Intermission from DOOM, something that notakeyring pointed out years ago. A broken clock is right twice a day

[graceful current]

This is me with FNaF AR

[olive moss]

im gonna go listen rq hang on

[graceful current]

Although I do actually mourn that one because it was actually good and then they made it p2w and then they shut it down 😭😭😭

[graceful current]

WHAAAAAAT

did they say anything else abt any of the songs being covers or references

[fringe torrent]

I never even got to play it because it shut down like a week after I got a phone capable of running it

[graceful current]

i remember someone had a crack theory the Atlantica theme had descent into cerberon in it

[graceful current]

What phone did u even have bro

I have an iPhone 6 and I can run it

[drowsy cedar]

Yeah, that David didn't include any references in his music. That was Andrew's job

[fringe torrent]

It was a good phone it just did not support AR

[graceful current]

Oh yeah I remember David saying that

I guess the Deep Into the Code in Immora dream is over

[olive moss]

is it the entire song? or a specific part

btw unrelated but the battlemode victory and defeat osts are underrated

[drowsy cedar]

Even though the drums are very reminiscent. That said, there is a very clear reference to Metallica's One in Immora, so it could have happened by happenstance

[drowsy cedar]

Main chorus. That cool sliding riff that is the opener for most mixes

[olive moss]

https://youtu.be/7SHaphIO2XQ?si=HkrAErd0d-0vKQAf

[olive moss]

will listen soon thank you

[graceful current]

AR could’ve been goated if Illumix wasn’t greedy tbh, it started off as really good then became p2w and they also got rid of the entire team working on it other than one guy and scrapped like tons of characters

[viscid marten]

Peak art bro

[graceful current]

Candy was even considered for the AR roster at some point

[fringe torrent]

No way they cut Candy out that's a crime

[olive moss]

imagine if this played during a death in ultra nightmare

[fringe torrent]

But at the same time would've been uncanny as hell and probably cause insane clickbait potential

[olive moss]

or the intermission

[drowsy cedar]

Thankfully, both Hell on Earth and the heavy ambience from the Nekravol suite interpolate The Demons from Adrian's Pen, so we're not totally missing out in that department

[olive moss]

love this soundtrack

[graceful current]

Would’ve actually made the Fazbear Fanverse worth it tho

[fringe torrent]

Okay the Davoth theme downloaded, time to hopefully enjoy

[graceful current]

If you’re gonna make Candy an official FNaF character I expect to see him show up somewhere

Moving this to general before LM returns 🤫

[graceful current]

Now if only Running From Evil was in an actual full nudoom song

[drowsy cedar]

If you subscribe to the notion that the chord progression in Infernal Chasm is a Running from Evil remix, then your wish may have been granted

[graceful current]

Yea I don’t rly tho so :P

[fringe torrent]

@drowsy cedar Just got done listening to it, I liked it but it doesn't stand out too much to me unfortunately, I did really like that part at the 10 minute mark though

[drowsy cedar]

It's interesting because no one knows how to arrange it lol. Even Geoffrey Day has no idea how it goes

[fringe torrent]

Hey I recognize that name, weren't people saying he was the TDA composer before we found out who it really was?

[drowsy cedar]

They were hypothesising it was him. Thank god it wasn't lol. He's a poor man's Mick Gordon

[viscid marten]

@drowsy cedar can u dm the gladiator mix?

[wicked tusk]

Hi new member

[graceful current]

lowk sick of everyone saying Geoffrey Day and Andy Strider should be the new composers

No man I don’t want a fuckin bootleg Eternal ost

[drowsy cedar]

Wildly valid. Creating music indistinguishable from the artist you're inspired by is not creativity

It's like people tracing another person's artwork. Like yeah, you did something artful, but it's not new or exciting. It's just a facsimile of a better work

[earnest zinc]

eternal only has ancient gods part 1 and 2 as dlcs right

[astral hamlet]

yes

[earnest zinc]

alr imma buy the year one pass and get both of em

[visual mirage]

Died to a no target bug on UN
Cant believe we treated this game as a “skill” game

[olive moss]

it happens

[astral hamlet]

"every death has something to teach the player"

[graceful current]

the thing it taught you is to not play Doom eternal

[storm eagle]

OMFG

after not playing The Holt in two years, I beat the Slayer Gate first try

literally sweating

[astral hamlet]

maturing is realizing the possessed marauder is the easiest part about that slayer gate

[storm eagle]

FFR

TRUTH

my stomach is cramped up rn hahah

[astral hamlet]

the blood maykrs are just the biggest POS enemy

[storm eagle]

DUDE

THAT'S who I was shrieking about the whole time

the blood maykr kept getting in the way and not doing the damn animation

just stun, stun, and stun

[astral hamlet]

half of the time it takes to do that slayer gate is just staring intently at the blood maykrs and trying to get them to charge a power attack lol

[storm eagle]

while not getting absolutely gang beaten by the rest

the two archies in the beginning were easy work

[astral hamlet]

the three archvile start used to be pretty hairy but now it's just 2 right next to one another, you can D blade and deal with them semi-easily

[storm eagle]

ice, lock on

[astral hamlet]

yeah no big deal

[storm eagle]

my eye is twitching I think

lmao

I just used the d-blade either off the jump pads or monkey bars to get the larger groups of fodder

[astral hamlet]

the devs really just thought traffic lights were the coolest things ever lol

[storm eagle]

HAHA

omg

truly

[astral hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-far-cry3-vaas-annoying-one-time-is-funny-two-times-is-annoying-gif-19973056

and four times is just ragebait

four, right?
marauder, blood maykr, armored baron, dark lord

[storm eagle]

Aoh the Doom hunter in the gate was also just such a joy

[kind basin]

Ye they made a game around it

It's called doom the peak ages

[astral hamlet]

I've heard this take before and I don't really understand it
eternal traffic light attacks essentially just came down to dictating when and where you were allowed to actually deal damage to an enemy
in TDA there are parryable attacks that happen to be green, sure, but you can handle enemies however you want (with the exception of the agaddon, obviously)

[kind basin]

But green means go, which is muh irrefutable argument

101% valid

But seriously I just thought ppl called it a traffic light game bc there's a bunch of telegraphed attacks

And y'know they happen to be green

[spring coral]

Yo guys my mom just bought me Doom eternal

[dim solar]

A true slayer, your mom

[pliant meteor]

Hell ya, shout out to your mom

[visual mirage]

Second First try lmao

I hate downpatched doom eternal

[worthy slate]

real, the only problem are those carcasses

[spiral shard]

Super gore nest pretty rough lol

[halcyon ravine]

Nah bro

horde mode is rough

i almost beat it on nightmare mode if it werent for the stupid spirit marauder

[astral hamlet]

then why tf do you play downpatched doom eternal

[visual mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/bubble-text-owl-text-bubble-bubble-text-owl-bubble-text-speech-bubble-owl-gif-25466686

[halcyon ravine]

Cuz hes restarted

[visual mirage]

rude

[astral hamlet]

complains about how buggy doom eternal is, then proceeds to purposefully downpatch to a version that has more bugs

https://tenor.com/view/russell-westbrook-nba-okc-thunder-what-huh-gif-5070054

[visual mirage]

Because I wanted to see what changed

: )

[wheat elk]

Does anyone play battlemode anymore

[rugged flax]

Nah

[torn tundra]

…

[stiff pelican]

Wouldn’t the timeline from when the Slayer enters Argent Dnur to Doom Eternal be under 10,000 years if it’s the same Khan Maykr?

[teal jay]

sadly only a few people. the hoff is a good player who does it though, on xbox

[visual mirage]

Thank god battlemode is dead

[full summit]

battlemode is daed ?

[fringe torrent]

where were u wen battle mode die. i was at house eating doom collab dorito when phone ring. "Battlemode is kil". no

[ebon elbow]

that's always fun to do

[void delta]

I wish there was a ripatorium for DOOM Eternal lol it'd be cool

Well- a ripatorium that people can make custom encouters in I mean, I know theres already a ripatorium

[teal jay]

honestly, i wish they updated all doom games

not like a major update for every single game, but like bug fixes, small additions etc, or at least for eternal

cause 2016 is perfectly fine the way it is

[visual mirage]

It isnt

[storm eagle]

flawed but we love

[loud dawn]

Finally completed horde mode on nightmare for the gold bounty lord skin

[scenic axle]

The modding system they have is great but for just making simple encounters it’s probably a lot to learn.

[tame topaz]

Are rocket punchswaps supposed to be unearthly hard to do or is my Personalized Copy of Doom Eternal cursed and that's why it won't let me do it?

[azure oriole]

The weapon balancing is pretty awful. So is Nightmare.

[teal jay]

Yeah, but its still good. Not everything has to be balanced, it feels good as a game where the power fantasy isn't hard to get, and its an easier game. Maybe the gasses cannon could tuned down a I guess

Although out of all the games, 2016 has my favorite lore. Awesome lore

[azure oriole]

Ehhh... the power fantasy only works as part of a process. If you can mow down everything with no difficulty that's not very satisfying.
Doom 2016 is a fantastic game, but I think the weapon balancing is among the worst of the series. The SSG double-shot mastery needs to go, and so does Siege Mode.

I love 2016, but I think shit like that + falling killing you needs to go.

[graceful current]

i like both :<

[teal jay]

Yeah fall kill is the worst thing about it

[graceful current]

or rather im fine with both

[graceful current]

yeah falling = killing is pretty evil

[teal jay]

But I agree the siege mode should be tuned the fuck down

2 or 3 shooting a baron or mancubus is madness

[visual mirage]

I disagree

[teal jay]

He's right

[graceful current]

tbh my absent mindedness fixes the weapon balance of 2016 for me :p you all just need to get stupider

[teal jay]

Of all the amazing things about 2016, balancing absolutely isn't one of them

[graceful current]

sometimes i forget i have the chainsaw in 2016

[teal jay]

Well it makes sense considering the absurd amount of ammo you have

[visual mirage]

Yeah we need the mess that Eternal is

[teal jay]

35 rockets, 60 shotgun shells, chainsaw is basically irrelevant

[storm eagle]

I have months where I absolutely fucking hate Eternal ngl

I'm playing it rn and I feel this way currently lol

[teal jay]

You can beat the game with 1 or 2 weapons, if you balance your usage and use every gun, you will literally never need to chainsaw lol

[astral hamlet]

real

[teal jay]

I feel that

[storm eagle]

I'm gonna play Re4 now bc I just made it thru an entire arena then died to the last imp

[visual mirage]

On Doom 2016 you can just spam the ssg
On Eternal you only need to add pb to the mix to spam the ssg

[storm eagle]

Too exhausting sometimes

[storm eagle]

I be spamming gauss and ssg and rocket

[teal jay]

I can't do that I run out of ammo so quick

Eternal gives you no ammo bruh

[visual mirage]

You literally have infinite ammo by using the chainsaw

[teal jay]

You know what I mean

Literally like 14 rockets at max ammo

Spare change ass rockets bruh

[visual mirage]

The only time I had trouble with ammo management was when I used to spam slob for everything on master levels like world spear

[tame topaz]

Use the chainsaw.

[teal jay]

That's if you use only 2 weapons

Using 3 or more weapons effectively and efficiently will almost never be a problem even in big arenas with lots of tanky enemies

[visual mirage]

U can beat doomy turnal with just two weapons

[teal jay]

yeah obviously I know

[graceful current]

realistically eternal is just as easy to ssg + ballista your way through as it is in 2016

[teal jay]

It's just harder because you will run out of ammo a lot

[astral hamlet]

eternal doesn't have any better weapon balance than 2016, it just limits your available ammo

[teal jay]

I meant in terms of content updates brotato

[visual mirage]

2016 in fact needs an update to fix the majority of its bugs

[teal jay]

well nah because mastered ammo boost (free bfg ammo) doesn't exist, siege mode doesn't exist, ssg mastery doesn't exist, Rich get richer doesn't exist, and more

[astral hamlet]

chaingun shield literally makes you ignore 99% of damage
lock on burst trivializes everything

[visual mirage]

Dying cuz you clipped through the floor because you dared to do a glory kill

[astral hamlet]

also once you get the bfg eternal is trivialized if you know how to route it anyways

[teal jay]

They do need a bug update, but i meant for content wise

[astral hamlet]

same with the crucible

[graceful current]

true lol chaingun shield is absolutely broken

[visual mirage]

Or dying to fall damage because of rail boosting

[azure oriole]

Nah, I'd say it's much better than 2016's. Once you have the SSG you can blaze through the entire game with it in 2016. Eternal has issues but 2016's is much worse- Eternal's problems are more niche and require more application. 2016's SSG is absolutely braindead.

[graceful current]

i never used it when i played because i thought it worked like a normal shield not fucking invuln lol

[teal jay]

That is very good, but not on the scale of 2016

[azure oriole]

(Doom 3 and TDA's weapon balancing are both way better than either.)

[teal jay]

this

[graceful current]

watching my gameplay of eternal nightmare i pretty much just mindlessly ssg everything with like 0 issue

[teal jay]

Eternal has unbalanced stuff that's a little op but thr stuff in 2016 was way worse

[visual mirage]

And the funniest thing is how they gave powerful cc attacks to every demon to prevent ssg spamming

[teal jay]

yh

[astral hamlet]

on the contrary
to beat 2016 on nightmare you must have good movement fundamentals even if you abuse all the cheese strats
once you get the chaingun shield, you barely even have to care about avoiding attacks at all

you can literally force-win even with terrible play simply because the chaingun shield turns nightmare into hurt me plenty

[azure oriole]

2016's requirement here is not out of some bigbrained balancing thing, but because 2016 Nightmare is bullshit and makes Imps the most dangerous enemy of the game. Making a low-tier fodder enemy sink 90% of your health in one hit is obviously gonna make you have to master your movement, but it doesn't change the fact that every other weapon is useless compared to two-shotting with the SSG.

[teal jay]

movement isn't that important, I easily beat the game on UN spamming every meta stray like ssg mastery, holograms, etc I barely moved, meta did all the work for me

[astral hamlet]

so what did you do before you got the meta?

[visual mirage]

Bro hasnt tried remote det

[teal jay]

Movement is only really important for bosses, and even then you can jist spam your THREE bfg shots that you get back right after the boss fight

[teal jay]

plasma rifle with stun bomb is literally in the 2nd level of the game, just beat UAC and plasma rifle with stun bomb is right in resource ops

[visual mirage]

Try to beat vega core with just the ssg

[teal jay]

broklahoma just named another incredibly broken mastery

[astral hamlet]

frankly if 2016 didn't give you so much bfg ammo it wouldn't even be that cheesable

[teal jay]

yeah half the time my un runs are ended in the first level because of the shitty mobility and the imps that basically instakill

the hardest part of UN is early game cause of the imps

[teal jay]

well you get 3 shots plus the broken ass rune that gives it all right back to you so yeah

[astral hamlet]

the only real deterrent to UN in either game is the early game (plus the bugs)

[teal jay]

yh that

[visual mirage]

All of the effort was wasted in mantaining a dead mp mode

[teal jay]

listen bro

your name is cringe

[visual mirage]

Ok mr john doom

[pliant meteor]

Hey all

I cleared SGN ML on nightmare for the first time and I don’t get the lil Nightmare skull next to it

Is that Normal? I have the face for Cultist and Arc Complex

[astral hamlet]

ye that's normal

[visual mirage]

It works different in those ml

[pliant meteor]

Oh oki

[astral hamlet]

the only two levels where the icon shows up are arc and cultist base

[pliant meteor]

It’s the challenges and stuff ig

Ah okay cool

Man SGN ML on game pad is legit lol

Triple archvile 5 tyrant room is gnarly

[astral hamlet]

it's very fun
with the exception of the two marauders in the toxic pool

[pliant meteor]

I don’t hate the marauder toxic fight but it feels a bit random

Like I just did the exact same thing 5 times and it worked eventually

[astral hamlet]

two marauders in a narrow corridor always involves a lot of bullshit
their projectiles trigger the other's shield, which is just stupid

and half the time when you try to dash past them they just CC you

[pliant meteor]

Ya the blast cc triggers some crazy stuff

I remember I got so damn close to clearing Mars core

But was stuck at the infamous platform for ages

[visual mirage]

U can use the berserk powerup from the previous room………

[digital spindle]

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[hushed palm]

i know this one that lets you go through some campaign arenas and the battlemode maps and is endless with random enemies. i can look for it if you would like

[digital spindle]

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[hushed palm]

oneeee moment i need to open the launcher

[digital spindle]

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[hushed palm]

https://www.nexusmods.com/doometernal/mods/1049?tab=description

its in the official launcher too and has a unique logo there

[digital spindle]

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[hushed palm]

my screenshot just didnt save only reason i went to go get the nexus link

[pliant meteor]

Doesn’t help with Marauder at end of room lol

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[hushed palm]

personally i use hard + marauders

but difficulty does not scale up keep that in mind its pure randomness

[hushed palm]

of course

[digital spindle]

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[hushed palm]

no its in the downloads, click the little dropdown next to the download button

lemme go get a screenshot

ah i cannot post screenshots here

[astral hamlet]

it actually does help
the spawn trigger for the powerup room is actually the area right next to the powerup, not the powerup itself
so you can clear that room without using the powerups, then if you grab the powerups and really hustle then you should be able to berserk kill at least one of the marauders

but the timing is very tight

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[hushed palm]

sweet!

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[hushed palm]

the marauders dont spawn too often from what i remember

[hushed palm]

of course! have fun

[visual mirage]

It does

[austere bronze]

rocket punches are hard, but not insanely hard
you can't hold down fire, spam the binds, and idk if it works with the rocket bound to scroll

the biggest tip i have is probably that the inputs are slower than they appear, at least that's usually how it has been for me with alotta tech

[pliant meteor]

Sounds finnicky

[austere bronze]

well yea you're "cheesing" the encounter

[visual mirage]

I disagree

[storm eagle]

💀

[storm eagle]

we know.

[austere bronze]

biggest hater of the 21st century

[storm eagle]

loool

[storm eagle]

I agree

[rugged flax]

I agree

[copper compass]

guys i js found out my parents PLAY DOOM LETS GOO

[hasty zephyr]

AYYY! Very nice!👌

[teal jay]

Based parents

[verbal sorrel]

Good

now that they've adopted me

[fickle hinge]

I try to get platinum for doom eternal but I try to get the online trophy's first by looking for 2 more people to go afk with my psn Is AGansterBoy

[final oracle]

is doom ancient gods worth it?

[elder raft]

Yes

[storm wolf]

W parents🔥

[fringe torrent]

Only on sale

40 dollars for 6 levels is insane

[teal jay]

Lore

[fringe torrent]

You have to be crazy to justify the price with lore

This is Ancient Gods we're talking about

[teal jay]

for both lore and gameplay, i’d say the price is a bit hefty but still justifiable if your a big fan

but man shit is so expensive nowdays it’s driving me mad

[fringe torrent]

I'm a big fan and I think 40 dollars for these two is crazy

[austere bronze]

yeah you're getting way less than the base game for the same price

[lavish mauve]

hey guys can someone helps me on multiplayer achievments

[hushed palm]

personally i would get the year one pass which makes it $30 as 6 levels for $40 normally is a bit rough. however if you're craving more doom eternal they are really good levels

[fringe torrent]

The best deal is Deluxe on sale

[graceful current]

I can’t lie bro you’d have to pay me to show me TAG’s “lore”

[teal jay]

it expands on it

[hidden zephyr]

TAG's lore is so tasty tho

[graceful current]

[hidden zephyr]

is valid. after all doom was founded on no story really

[spiral shard]

Bro this small ass room in arc complex is pissing me off

💀

[austere bronze]

small rooms easily have the most volatile encounters

[spiral shard]

I beat it

But damn it took me like 8 tries

🤣🤣🤣

[spiral shard]

So I’ve encountered my first marauder ever

And I died gg

O nice I beat him

[rocky vigil]

Awesome

[hidden zephyr]

nice! it takes a bit to get the rhythmn down

[spiral shard]

Yeah I mean it’s my first time ever playing the campaign so lol.

But I see I just have to take my time with him unlike moving all crazy.

I was using the super sg/ballista combo and it worked p well

[rocky vigil]

Wait until you see the other crazy combos

You can annihilate him in one cycle

[spiral shard]

I saw a few but it’s kinda hard on switch to do the snapping sometimes

[hidden zephyr]

thats awesome!!!!

[gentle thicket]

What ever you do don't get the micro missiles for the heavy cannon

The precision bolt is will help you more throughout the campaign

Especially the mayker drones or mancubuses

[wicked ridge]

Makyr

[scenic axle]

Pb is great but for people that don’t quick swap mm is a fun and good mod

[gentle thicket]

True but I struggled to fight the khan mayker

With micro missiles

Because it's wasn't her it was the mayker drones that had me dieing

[scenic axle]

You can just mod swap there

Also the khan makyr is super easy if you just spam lock on burst

[wicked ridge]

Isn’t quick swapping mods an armor upgrade thingy?

[scenic axle]

If you do it quick enough she’ll get one or zero attacks off in between phases

[gentle thicket]

I know but when I first played doom eternal I didn't know that til I replayed it

[scenic axle]

There is an upgrade that makes weapon swaps and mods swaps quicker

[scenic axle]

Ah, yeah that makes sense then

[gentle thicket]

Yeah

[wicked ridge]

Makyr also dies fast to the Unmakyr but thats very limited ammo wise

[gentle thicket]

True

[wicked ridge]

Rocket bursts and the super chaingun mod make quick work of her

[scenic axle]

If you slob right as the phase starts she doesn’t even get an attack off

[gentle thicket]

Did anyone else play without aim assist

[wicked ridge]

Me

I hate aim assist so much

[scenic axle]

I’m on m&k so no aim assist

[gentle thicket]

What about the classic gun style

[visual mirage]

Wut

[wicked ridge]

I didn’t use it till like my 5th run

[wicked ridge]

I don’t understand why you are saying wut

Very clear statement

The Khan dies fast to the Unmakyr but its a weapon with limited ammo because it used bfg cells

[visual mirage]

Why would you waste precious bfg ammo using the unmaker?

[wicked ridge]

No one said to?

[gentle thicket]

Never got it since I played on hurt me plenty

[hidden zephyr]

cause the stupid makyr deserves it

[wicked ridge]

Its locked behind slayer gates not difficulty

[gentle thicket]

Oh

[wicked ridge]

There’re 6 keys hidden across the campaign

[visual mirage]

Last slayer gate has to be the most anticlimatic fight of them all

[wicked ridge]

Slayer gates kick my ass pretty consistently on UV and higher

[gentle thicket]

I tried doing on slayer gate and I got my butt kicked my the cyber demon and that giant demon with horns and got the arm blades coming out his arms

[wicked ridge]

Well slayer gates past the 3rd

[scenic axle]

Ngl

First slayer gate is the hardest encounter in the game

[visual mirage]

(lies)

[astral hamlet]

nah it's true

[visual mirage]

I mean I guess
Back when dread knights were able to one shot you

[austere bronze]

it looks really weird imo
and so does super high weapon FoVs

and view FOVs for that matter

[gentle thicket]

I remember when I was first playing eternal I fought demons in a arena and didn't know how to take down the buff token

[scenic axle]

I’ll never stop using 150 fov

[austere bronze]

wild ass fov

[wicked ridge]

100-110 fov is fine for me thanks

[austere bronze]

i use 127

[scenic axle]

I’m on 21:9 though so I don’t think it’s as crazy as a 16:9

[austere bronze]

high weapon fov is copium tbh...

[visual mirage]

115

[austere bronze]

i'm also on 21:9, looks weirddd

[gentle thicket]

Not to mention I used a presision stick to help me play better

[austere bronze]

although i used to play with 140-150😭

[astral hamlet]

they don't technically one-shot you, but if you get hit by a dread knight in that slayer gate then you've got maybe a 10% chance of survival

[austere bronze]

i also used to play with classic weapon pose and high weapon fov, somehow

[storm eagle]

[austere bronze]

keeping the buff totem alive is based anyways

[visual mirage]

The red fx makes them feel more threatening than what they really are

[round dome]

Honestly, whenever I encountered an Archvile in Eternal, I always made sure to save a BFG-9,000 round for it. Don't exactly have the patience to deal with the Buffed Enemies, so I usually try to eliminate the Archvile and totems first.

[visual mirage]

Crucible

[viscid marten]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doomguy-crucible-doom-slayer-crucible-gif-26209346

[void delta]

So why did Doomguy destroy the Father's life sphere? I know he wanted to get the Dark Lord's life sphere instead- but why did he have to destroy the other one?

[hidden zephyr]

thats...a good question

[scenic axle]

Bro was feeling devious

[visual mirage]

Cuz he didnt like him that much

[hidden zephyr]

father = stinky boi

[viscid marten]

He was like, “fuck it, we don’t need god. We have me.”

[void delta]

Was it to prevent the Seraphim from ressurecting the Father himself? Thats the only explination I can think of- I know Maykrs cant set foot in Hell, but that doesnt mean the Seraphim cant just make a new body again to do it-

[hidden zephyr]

feel like theres a dlc coming to explain it. or maybe he was just done cleaning up the father's mess constantly and was like "fine ill do it myself from now on"

[teal jay]

based

MAN i wish they had a higher max fov on xbox

it’s only like 120 which is mid

i played on PC earlier, my personal fav fov is 190

[scenic axle]

That's the max on pc aswell you can just use console to break those bounds

[teal jay]

yeah i used that

[scenic axle]

💀

now THAT'S fake news

[teal jay]

nah i like it

[scenic axle]

no you don't 😭

can you even set it that high

[hidden zephyr]

190???? homie theres bug vision and then theres....idk what that even is......arachnovisiion?

[teal jay]

you can set it to anything

[teal jay]

i like it. that simple

[scenic axle]

lemme go take a screenshot of what it looks like at that fov

[hidden zephyr]

nah nah i get it im not trying to poop on your cheerios or anything