doom-eternal

[visual mirage]

They just stand still and only teleport when you are trying to lob them

[worthy slate]

Literally true, you don't see Archviles moving around in Eternal other than teleporting.

[amber isle]

@barren marsh the first slayer gate is EZ

[astral hamlet]

yeah, well with the summoning/buffing ability set that they have, either they're boring to fight or they overwhelm you extremely quickly, there isn't really any compromise there

[visual mirage]

I've reached a point where buffed demons dont overwhelm me at all

[astral hamlet]

completely dependent on what demons are buffed, and which ones the archvile summons

if I remember correctly the two archviles in the second big mars core ML arena summon marauders

[visual mirage]

Demons buffed by an archvile arent technically the same as those buffed by a totem

[amber isle]

I HATE Archiviles with a PASSION

[visual mirage]

Dunno why people hate archviles but love marauders lmao

[amber isle]

Lemme ask you, have you been on horde mode on NIGHTMARE and you get to the third section?

[visual mirage]

Nah I cant even pass the first level on ITYTD

[astral hamlet]

most of the people who "love" marauders don't actually like them that much, they just like to flex that they can one cycle them lmao
personally I don't like either of them, as they both kill the pacing of a fight
archviles turn the whole arena into where's waldo, whereas marauders more or less are designed to force you to play at their own pace

[amber isle]

I’m on the Holt

On nightmare

[visual mirage]

The thing is that most of the archviles spawn on the same position most of the times

[astral hamlet]

well, nobody has any issues with the archviles in the main campaign or the dlc (or at least, they shouldn't)

I'm talking about in modded content or endless stuff where they spawn in without you knowing where

[visual mirage]

I've seen plenty of people struggling with base game archviles

[astral hamlet]

every demon aside from maybe cyberdemons are trivialized by you knowing their exact spawn location, not just archviles

[astral hamlet]

the thing is
there is one archvile in the entire base campaign that you can't kill with the crucible, and that's the only one that can spawn in multiple locations

beyond that guy, if you struggle with them, you just use the delete button

although I suppose if you don't use any non-standard weapons then archies can still be tricky simply because their attacks deal a metric ton of damage and they're also kinda bullshit

actually not kinda bullshit, a lot of bullshit

[visual mirage]

On modded content I've only struggled with archviles when there are multiple of them and the arena is too small
Or when they decide that it would be funny to have one possessed

We will never know how a canon possessed archvile would work

[astral hamlet]

"damn, why's that archvile kinda weird looking?"

pain ensues

I lowk wish the dumb possessed tyrant fight in the holt was an archvile instead
the tyrant is just a bullet sponge that does a lot of damage, at least possessed archviles have something else to offer

the dlcs are already full of memes, why not give us another one

[visual mirage]

On some modded levels you are able to falter them when they start summoning demons while in others you cant
But it kinda gives you the opportunity to slob them while they are doing that

[astral hamlet]

if the possessed archvile was official he'd definitely only be able to be faltered with the microwave beam

you'd just have to burst him down normally (but no lobs because he'll teleport) and if he starts summoning you blast him with the meme beam
would be fun in isolation but idk how balanced it'd be with other enemies around

[visual mirage]

Would they give them lob resistance though?

[amber isle]

THE BFG IS BEST FOR ARCHVILE

[astral hamlet]

Probably not anything more than regular spirit buffed enemies

Since regular archies don’t have lob resistance

Although since you can’t falter or freeze him I guess the only time you could use a LOB is when he’s summoning

[astral hamlet]

Using the BFG on an archvile is a waste of ammo

[amber isle]

@astral hamlet WORTH IT TO KILL THE BASTARDS

[astral hamlet]

Just kill them normally

[amber isle]

It’s hard as FUK to kill them normally(I rely on chaingun or super shotgun to do that)

[astral hamlet]

not really

ice bomb with the frostbite upgrade or frag grenade + 2 lock on bursts instakills them

[amber isle]

Getting glory kills on archviles=Impossible

The one Imp when you have three health left=BERSERK ACTIVATED

[visual mirage]

If it wasnt for nekravol's archvile/tyrant glory kill challenges UN 100% would be so fucking easy

[amber isle]

What skins should be added next update(if the game is still being updated)

[amber isle]

Anyone wanna see my collection of random cosmetics?

[visual mirage]

Eternal is dead

[visual mirage]

No its true there isnt going to be any new updates

Try to join to a match in battlemode

[worthy slate]

Definitely dead in the cosmetics area.

[graceful current]

urghhh to link a bethesda account to a new steam you need to have all of your progress erased

shitty-ass system man

oh and you lose TAG too thats fun lol (i expected that but still thats like an extra kick to the balls)

[obsidian remnant]

Does anyone know how to get the high-record-breaking trophy in Doom Eternal?

[tardy parrot]

Who want Doom eternal Multiplayer on PS achievement

[amber isle]

Who wanna see my unlocked cosmetics in doom eternal

[tardy parrot]

you mean skin?

[amber isle]

Yes

I have a lot

[tardy parrot]

Ok

[tired kraken]

game isnt getting any new updates but theres plenty of user made skins that u can find in the mod browser

[torn copper]

I was wondering what part of the Blood Swamp has radiation? to which I saw RAD Suit in the mission?

[visual mirage]

All of the swimmable sections

[untold ravine]

Guys

Which runes do yall recommend for horde mode

[austere bronze]

air control, equipment fiend and then it kinda depends on you

my third slot is either dazed and confused, or savagery

for support runes i strongly recommend break blast

or the one that gives back extra lives is good if you need that

so that or break blast

[untold ravine]

Mk

Ty

[rugged flax]

Wait what were those?

[clear cipher]

Daze and confuse makes enemies staggered longer I think and I’m pretty sure savagery is the one where you get a speed boost from glory kills and chainsaws

[rugged flax]

aaah

wait it's name is savegry

what

I didn't remember that was it's name, tho it has been a while since I looked at their names

[dense lotus]

I have but I died in the first arena to a marauder or arch vile I think

[austere bronze]

savagery speeds up glory kills

blood fueled gives you a speed boost

@rugged flax

[rugged flax]

aaah

[clear cipher]

Oooh mb I get those confused easily

[austere bronze]

ye, no worries, there's a lot of names to remmeber lol

[rugged flax]

I always just have the same runes so

air and blood and some other one I forgor

[prisma laurel]

Holy shit

Last night was the best night of my life

You guys need to try playing doom while fried out yo brain

Such a fun experience

[civic dust]

eternal was peak

[austere bronze]

it is peak

[civic dust]

very

[olive moss]

eternal bad, eternal better

[civic dust]

exactly

im gonna go play it right now actually if i still have xbox game pass

[amber grove]

How to open master levels? I've completed the game, but they're still unavailable.

[civic dust]

i completed the game too

but i just like playing it over and over

for the fun of it

and the smallest update was updating the agreement

[olive moss]

try accessing them from the fortress of doom? other than that im not sure

[civic dust]

yeah do that

[austere bronze]

you should try master levels

[civic dust]

i cant find all the collectibles in levels

[amber grove]

They are absent there too.

[civic dust]

oh i have way too many og skins for slayer like ranger slayer and nail guy and retrowave

guys i found one of my old files of Urdak... from october 10 2023

[olive moss]

google says to replay the level first idk

weird

[austere bronze]

you shouldn't need to do that

[olive moss]

@amber grove did you finish the game on extra life mode?

[amber grove]

no

[civic dust]

then you dont get them

probably

[olive moss]

thats not true

[civic dust]

oh

[austere bronze]

yeah

[olive moss]

yeah i dont know honestly

[civic dust]

ill search it up

[olive moss]

it should unlock for you when the game ends

[civic dust]

yeah i dont know honestly

i cant find it

does anybody know ranger slayer?

[steel gazelle]

does any one have any help or suggestions to do? i recently played doom eternal with mods from the launcher and it kept crashing. i said to myself "maybe manually adding the mods to the folders with doom eternal mod injector will work" but nope. i tried even verifying the game files

[viscid marten]

that sounds interesting

[civic dust]

yeah i have it

i dont know what it is

probably from when doom eternal started having a reward system?

for leveling up

[austere bronze]

are you using rhe latest verison of the mod injector?

if you are, idk

[steel gazelle]

yup

i watched a tutorial too

[austere bronze]

maybe use the official mod portal tjen

[steel gazelle]

which one

[austere bronze]

if you aren't using the mod injector for a particular reason

[steel gazelle]

i am

[civic dust]

if i could get my brother here but he doesnt have discord rn hed help you

because he has mods on doom eternal

[steel gazelle]

ok

[austere bronze]

why?

[steel gazelle]

because i tried using the in game mods from the launcher

and it didnt work, i tried manually modding it in the folders

and i did exactly like the tutorial

[civic dust]

this is how to get Ranger slayer - Own the rerelease of Quake Champions and link your account

[candid dawn]

I think you mean the rerelease of quake 1

[civic dust]

idk

thats what someone said on steam

[umbral ember]

Arc complex gate got easier lmao

Ig i got better

[shadow radish]

Hey. So I actually stream every weekend at either 12 or 1pm edt, and i gotta know. Why doesn't my AG part 2 dlc progress save? Is it cuz I used the launcher?

[full ridge]

Welcome

[astral hamlet]

did you use mods?
because if you do a level with mods then switch to unmodded, it doesn't carry over your save

[shadow radish]

Oh. Yes. I mean, I still completed the campaign but for some reason have to replay the same level to play the master level

[astral hamlet]

so if you try playing on a modded save, complete a level, then close the game and come back to that modded save, does your progress save?

[shadow radish]

Yes, via the launcher and mods and all. But for some reason, have to play the Master Level again

[astral hamlet]

so the master level doesn't display as completed?

[shadow radish]

Yeah. I can unlock it again via playing the campaign level

[astral hamlet]

huh
that's odd

[shadow radish]

Should I just no clip next stream so I have time to do the Master Level?

[astral hamlet]

I thought the condition for being able to play master levels was to complete the campaign

I have no clue how completing a single level makes it so that the master level unlocks itself

[shadow radish]

Eh, mod launcher probably

[astral hamlet]

yeah I use that too

maybe someone on the modding server knows what the bug is

[umbral ember]

Should I set my controller sens higher

Mines in like around the 20s for horizontal and like 15 for vertical or some

But im not able to turn that quickly n stuff

[scenic axle]

I would set it as high as you can while still being able to aim well

[umbral ember]

Ok

I dont need to hit every shot right

[scenic axle]

LOL as long as you don’t feel a noticeable decrease in your aiming then it’s good

[umbral ember]

Would help against fucking whiplashes squiggly ass tho

[barren marsh]

beat the slayer's gate thats in the cultist base on my nightmare replay of doom eternal

wasnt so bad mainly because i have the super shotgun now with the meathook so

[jagged vault]

nice one

Im trying to beat gore nest master level on nightmare

It's kicking my ass

[elder raft]

that one is painful

[jagged vault]

Yeah, too many cramped places

[elder raft]

literally starts with you and a tyrant stuck in a halway 😭

[jagged vault]

Not groovy

[tardy parrot]

Who have Doom eternal on Ps

[river grail]

here is a tip to defeat the final boss of the dlcs i think

If you die alot set resolution and graphics to high so that your game is less than 5 fps

it makes it slow and easier

on pc

[tardy parrot]

Who have Doom eternal on ps

[latent cradle]

Bro is playing the game on PowerPoint 😭

[limpid cairn]

Can anyone please help me get the blood bath trophy in doom eternal battlemode

[jagged vault]

what platform are you on?

[limpid cairn]

Ps5

[jagged vault]

🥀 😭

[limpid cairn]

😔🥀

[jagged vault]

I'm on pc, but good luck on the achievement

That was the last one I got, took a while

[urban plinth]

I hate this game

7 extra lives dowb

[urban plinth]

Ok i finally finished it

With all of my extra lives lost

Holy shit im gonna have to do that again

I didnt finish it with 5 extra lives

Yea im done

[visual mirage]

You can restart the level in extra lives mode

[full summit]

i am ps4 😭

[viscid marten]

Switch OLED💀

[nova cairn]

Good luck

For me it wasn't as hard as people say it to be

[astral hamlet]

It was the easiest real master level for me

[full summit]

[astral hamlet]

Not including arc and cultist base obviously

[nova cairn]

Maybe cuz its the fact I tried tag1 before it and the community claims that playing tag1 before master levels makes all of them easy as piss

[astral hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-lie-lol-not-telling-the-truth-that-was-a-lie-gif-13885912

[full summit]

[viscid marten]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210494760813592616/1313880561223204884/togif.gif

[dense tapir]

The number R of course /j

[viscid marten]

XD

[nocturne pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/why-didn't-i-think-of-that-mrboss-smiling-friends-frowning-friends-of-course-gif-14810131280811766713

[river grail]

I learned it because i used to play doom eternal on a old overheating laptop with a ryzen 3 3500u cpu

[clear cipher]

Everytime I play Doom Eternal on Switch or Switch 2 I can’t decide if it’s good or bad

This game needs a patch or something, which it’s probably never gonna get

But hey at least the frame rates are kinda good now. Even if the visuals look worse on the bigger screen (though Tbf it’s hard to notice it when you’re stressed in combat)

[scenic axle]

I don’t think playing tag1 first makes it easy, it’s a smaller jump so it makes it easier but there’s no way you can say it’s easy

[shrewd berry]

On nightmare, does the Khan Makyr boss have a ton of health per full bar?

[scenic axle]

Difficulty doesn't change health

[austere bronze]

yeah the sgn ml is still significantly harder than tag1

[tardy parrot]

I need Help achievement for 50.000 heal demon and 200 kill opponents

And 8 dif weapon kill

[verbal sorrel]

No plus bro

[visual mirage]

Hardest iteration of tag 1 was when sgn ml released

[jolly kernel]

I wish the battlemode demon skins were officially usable in singleplayer due to things like this. fucking hilarious

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/216692479531941889/1437861133502648511/lumberjack.mp4?ex=6914c808&is=69137688&hm=05d00ea6d9c04fcaba0f39826c6c313031cd240ec43dd3dbcc3c664d7266dc34&

[dire sierra]

Dlc is worth?

[olive moss]

dlc is, indeed, worth

[astral hamlet]

wait for them to go on sale

20 bucks each is steep

no point buying them for full price when they go on huge sales all the time

[upbeat girder]

What's easy way to do multiplayer achivements?

[dire sierra]

Always on sale, i just want know its worth? Like there more weapon or just story?

[astral hamlet]

Each dlc is only 3 levels long (3 long-ish levels, but still just 3 levels), so them being priced at half of the base game isn’t worth it imo

You don’t get any new standard weapons but you do get a super weapon of sorts in TAG 2

[nova cairn]

tag1 yes 100% its the definitive doom etenral experience(imo), tag2 is basically just a ground slam

[visual mirage]

I disagree

[dire sierra]

Oh ty, i still dont understand why they give multiplayer, that mode is ded n cnnt play with bot

[drowsy nexus]

my game crash en 2 nvl

Any ideas on how to solve this?

[rigid steeple]

I agree

[flint gyro]

Ultrakill is basically doom eternal if it didn't have double jump

[visual mirage]

Ultrakill is femboy doom eternal

[worthy bough]

Its any channel here to get PS5 trophies, I need to get the 200 kill count im at 78

If anyone needs it to get it we can help each other

[astral hamlet]

Truer words have never been spoken

[shrewd berry]

Oh it doesn’t? So it seems Khan Makyr is still kinda squishy then on nightmare.

[tardy parrot]

Who can Help me Doom eternal on PS 50.000 heal and kill 200 opponents trophy

[astral hamlet]

Difficulty only changes enemy aggression and damage, nothing else

[shrewd berry]

I see…

[worthy bough]

we can

[tardy parrot]

went?

[frigid garden]

“You can’t just shoot a hole into the surface of mars.”

Well guess what I did, Hayden?

[flint gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-slayer-bfg-mars-gif-27375266

[cursive hill]

Finally replaying Eternal on Switch 2. Crazy how there's no resolution dips / frame drops.

[dim solar]

A war is in the horizon

[astral hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[pliant meteor]

Anyone know what score you actually need to get Slayer Rank in Horde?

[nova cairn]

Yes but actually no

[pliant meteor]

I get to The Holt on Nightmare pretty much every run and always get slayer rank. But I’m way below 400k

[nova cairn]

Actually yk what I agree ultrakill is femboy doom eternal

[visual mirage]

When arcade mode 2.0 horde mode released you could only earn slayer rank if you got 400k

It was later changed to just 300k

[warm plover]

True

Also no parry

[pliant meteor]

I’ve never gotten 300k

But also always get slayer rank

[azure oriole]

I can’t speak for PC, but console is 130k Points.

Once upon a time, it was 350K, and that was a freaking NIGHTMARE to reach, but hot damn was it fun to do!

[visual mirage]

Funny thing is you had to use the bfg in a very specific way to achieve that score

[azure oriole]

I thought so for a while, but then I had to wonder: “How can I achieve more than 50K points using the BFG that exceeds the bonus for not shooting it?” And if you guys have found a way, I salute you!

Now, it’s just a matter of mastering the two Onslaught multipliers on the final rounds!

[flint gyro]

"You cannot stop the processi-" Well well well, GUESS what did I do, Ms. Khan Maykr?

[haughty apex]

https://tenor.com/view/goose-doom-gif-2075036651878006277

[leaden helm]

Hey guys. anyone up to helping each other earning the multiplayer trophies?

[pliant meteor]

130? Wow

That’s extremely forgiving

[austere bronze]

yeah if you do nightmare and don't use the bfg you're already more than halfway there lmfao

[pliant meteor]

Zamn

[final oracle]

who was deag nilox's champion?

[stuck panther]

hi

[proven granite]

That is a great question, someone get Hugo Martin!

[visual mirage]

Me

[olive moss]

ive been waiting very long for an answer to this

i wish plans went along for that doom eternal comic or something hugo was talking about during an interview with tyler mcvicker iirc

[untold ravine]

Ah there's my pet duck

[visual mirage]

First doom game to become woke

[storm eagle]

ok?

[jagged cypress]

does anyone have tips for console ultra-nightmare?

[scenic axle]

Use all your abilities off cooldown, abuse shield to get out of bad spots, learn bfg routing to maximize value you get out of it, it can make some levels stupid easy like final sin

[jagged cypress]

oK

[nova cairn]

the only time i see most struggling is in the cultist base

here are the encounters ill prep you for

(the first manacubus corridor, kill the first one, go behind the box near it, flame belch chainsaw it when an imp spawns inm, wait till the manacubus walks into the trap, instantly kill it)

(the arena with the rocket launcher, just play it normally, but when you get low, do not hesitate to flame belch the large crowd bottom next to the ledge you came from, and blow it up with a remote det rocket and you haev crazy amounts of defense points to live from as you keep killing them, NO CARELESSNESS PATIENCE YOU JUST HAVE MORE DEFENSE)

and thats it , i can give more if you want me to

[jagged cypress]

i got to cultist base on second try but i died right after the scene where we look at the super shotgun. When the floor falls down.

[jagged cypress]

plz give me MORE

[nova cairn]

the first arena of the DOOM hunter base is where you have to play a bit more defensively, utilize your movement and flame belch more but you sitll hvae to be offensive enough to survive

for the gladiator use remote det and ssg+PB's, for kalibas use chainsaw on the first pain elemental, the next one eliminated from ballista+ssg+ballista+ssg, for the doom hunter base, blood punch the sled tiwce, and use some SSG+pbs to take it out, then its safe from there, for khan makyr use ballista on the heads of the makyr drones, for the icon of sin, sleep

for the archviles, use the crucible to take them out, theres one crucible charge in nekravol, you take the first one out using one shot of the BFG when its shield is down(DONT WORRY), youll get another unit in the arena of taras nabad with the doom hunter and pain elemental with the punchy things and the elevator that comes down, the next one can also be taken from a BFG as in that same arena lies another archvile

once you get the crucible, take the two out in nekravol, theres one charge in one of the nekravol levels with the two doom hunters, theres another charge int he corridor to the final arena in nekravol pt 2, use that one to take out the archvile in urdak, dont worry theres another charge in there, and a heck ton in final sin, thats how you deal with the archviles

for the tyrants, spam lock on rockets and precision rockets heck ton, and dont hesitate to pickup powerups when you can, dont leave them

the arena when the floor falls down in cultist base is pretty easy, deal with the first enemies yourself,, when the flames begin appearing use cueball to take out one manacubus on an instant, and take out the other one normally, use ice grenade on the whiplash

for the rest all once you surpass the cultist base can be killed pretty easily but dont drop your guard down

[fierce pollen]

Good grief! Either you have Nitro or you just broke Discord's character length, lol.

That's a literal story right there.

[storm eagle]

[sacred spear]

In summary: shoot at it until it dies

[frank ginkgo]

I’m nightmare Freddy and I’m in yo head

[visual mirage]

Holy shit its freddy from fnaf at freddy's!

[leaden helm]

Hey guys. anyone up to helping each other earning the multiplayer trophies?

[austere bronze]

feels like an eternity since i last played this game, but it's only been a week lol

[void delta]

An eternity? 😏

[visual mirage]

Eviternity

[umbral ember]

Why was gladiator genuinely hard for me

Like Kahn mayker is easier

Skill issue ig idk

[visual mirage]

Cuz the gladiator is kinda boring ngl fr tbh

[olive moss]

khan maykr should have been leagues harder

[astral hamlet]

She’s probably not supposed to be that hard
Like kreed, the khan was never really supposed to be a physical match for the slayer

But in typical eternal fashion, they didn’t really manage to make the boss very much fun in the process

[umbral ember]

I hate that I struggle less with archvile than whiplash

Smh Tara's nabad gate beating me up

[sacred spear]

Khan is also mostly a transition fight/momentum builder so she can't be too tough or the pacing gets messed up

[astral hamlet]

If you prioritized whiplashes the same way you prioritize archviles, you wouldn’t struggle with them as much

[umbral ember]

Ye I do

Theyre just assholes

[astral hamlet]

A 2/3rds charged d blade staggers them

[amber isle]

The Bounty Hunter slayer skin is a B##CH to get

[pliant meteor]

I think Khan Maykr is an awesome boss fight

[astral hamlet]

I mean
You just avoid the lava pools

That’s the whole fight

[nova cairn]

its one of my favourites

[scenic axle]

She's just a pretty easy boss, while gladiator isn't

[umbral ember]

Spam lock on and arbelest

[umbral ember]

Gladiator kicks ass

[scenic axle]

You can just slob so she doesn't even get a shot off, headshot a drone, repeat

[umbral ember]

Ye thats how I beat her on UV

[astral hamlet]

Yeah
That’s the whole fight
Don’t understand how people like it

[umbral ember]

I just have to get through the damn taras nabad gate

Its not very hard just takes time

[visual mirage]

Cynic said the khan maykr fight was better than the icon of sin

[hollow peak]

Hello

[umbral ember]

Nah dude what

Hottest take of the century

[astral hamlet]

I agree
But only because I think the icon of sin fight is garbage

[visual mirage]

I disagree

[scenic axle]

I mean

Both are kinda bad

[astral hamlet]

Yep

[visual mirage]

Nuh uh

[nova cairn]

I wish doom eternal was real

[storm eagle]

yup lol

[final oracle]

does the DLC have discount when steam sales?

[storm eagle]

yes

[final oracle]

ty! how do i check on steamDB?

oh nevermind i found it

thanks! :)

[compact trout]

Hi I bought Doom Eternal on Epic Games because it was on sale but I can't figure out how to change the language. Does anyone know how to change the Doom Eternal language on Epic Games launcher?

[zenith shoal]

guys i just lost all my leves in doom eternal is that normal?

[nimble plover]

i fast traveled to a combat encounter but since then i haven’t been able to progress
IMPs keep on spawning endlessly

any way to fix it without restarting the mission?

[gentle token]

kinda agree, ngl. but doom hunters was more fun than both

[austere bronze]

doom hunters are oeak

peak

[umbral ember]

Best ballista mod?

Im debating on switching to the blade but arbelest carries for caco and pain elemental

[austere bronze]

destroyer blade easily

but if you have both, don't choose, use both!

[umbral ember]

Mhm

[astral hamlet]

D blade goes crazy

[umbral ember]

Thabks

Ill be using it in taras slayer gate

[austere bronze]

truly

[olive moss]

i love the destroyer blade but the arbalest has saved my ass more times than one

i love both though

[austere bronze]

the unfortunate thing with arbalest is that it's basically only useful for cacos/pain elementals and setting up fast destroyer blade

and the latter only a very small amount of players use (like, 5 lol)

[astral hamlet]

it's too bad that pretty much every heavy besides the flying dudes take reduced damage from arbalest shots

[visual mirage]

Its very good against fodder

[astral hamlet]

so are sticky bombs and frag grenades, for far less trouble

[urban river]

Doom Eternal is a fantastic game, but i can see why so many people are divided on it. At the time, barring Doom 3, it's gameplay loop was drastically different than the standard run and gun of 2016 and the earlier titles. Essentially it boils down to constantly farming for reasons via how to dispatch of enemies.

This sounds good and is easy to understand on paper (Fire for armor, finishers for health and blood punch, chainsaw for ammo, etc) and in a slower paced game like a turn based rpg it would be ideal....but Doom Eternal does not play like that.

On any difficulty higher than normal, the game will require you to learn it's intrigues to make the most of it. And the first thing I noticed was "HOLY CRAP, THIS GAME...IS FAST AS HELL". (no pun intended) The enemies in this game move and shoot faster than ever and there are tons of these guys.

They also hit like trucks and have a seemingly endless pool of things to throw at you. Combine that with the Slayer's inability to tank hits from even the smallest of enemies and the realization that some of these enemies just dont die, i can see why many a purist was put off by the departure. Though i personally loved it from start to finish.

[astral hamlet]

you are much tankier in eternal than you are in 2016, no question
your HP pool is the same, but fodder deal much less damage in eternal, and you have both far greater ability to recover your resources and much greater low HP death protection

[storm eagle]

Eternal vs. 2016 Lost Souls😭😭😭

[astral hamlet]

2016 lost souls were just
AAAAA
ded

[storm eagle]

🥀

Played some Eternal last night and was like damn...I am RICH WITH AMMO!

[astral hamlet]

eternal is fast sure
but you can legitimately just tank hits like a boss even on nightmare just because you get back resources so easily

[urban river]

I must not be playing it right because i feel like i was CONSTANTLY having to switch weapons until i got the flaming meathook. As for being tankier. I don't know, i feel like i could make more mistakes in 2016 than Eternal.

[astral hamlet]

on nightmare, absolutely not

can't really remember remember enough about lower difficulties to comment on that lol

but yes, you do have to switch weapons more often in eternal due to ammo constraints

[urban river]

I looked into it, apparently he IS tankier in 2016, but it feels different because of the various farming tools in eternal.

[astral hamlet]

eternal fodder can be deadly at close range (most just gargoyles and shield soldiers tbh) but at range, fodder is fairly weak

how is he tankier in 2016? the health/armor pool is the same, and enemies hit harder

[storm eagle]

[urban river]

The healthpool is the "same" but the enemies hit harder in Eternal.

[visual mirage]

Ngl I feel that shield soldiers got secretly nerfed

[astral hamlet]

except they don't

a charged imp fireball in 2016 deals something like 70-75 damage, whereas in eternal that same attack deals 45 damage

[visual mirage]

Heavy demons deal almost the same damage in 2016 and Eternal

[storm eagle]

Nah

[astral hamlet]

even there, I don't believe so

[jovial coral]

NOPE

[storm eagle]

One bite from a Caco can kill you, I got hit by a Lost Soul and it drained over half of my health

[visual mirage]

Caco bites deal 200 in 2016 but 150 in Eternal

[astral hamlet]

yeah, that's an enormous difference, especially with the lack of death protection

also I know that hell knights deal more damage in 2016 as well

only exception might be the mancubus

because they deal 80 damage per fireball in eternal for some ridiculous reason lol

[visual mirage]

If this video has correct info and those monster overviews by elysium gaming too then the damage difference isnt that huge

https://youtu.be/NyYq72szdT4?si=VDsC86Nj-kCGW2Yb

Its just the fodder that are busted in 2016

[astral hamlet]

well, the fodder are much more busted across the board, you're slower, and heavies also hit harder

adds up to you being significantly more fragile in 2016

although most enemy AI in eternal are a bit more aggressive to compensate for your greater mobility

[graceful current]

Doom 64 lost souls

[urban river]

Again hard disagree. I've played both recently and on their same difficulty and Doom felt like a game i could sink my hand into at any time and feel powerful. Eternal feels like one of those use it or lose it games.

[astral hamlet]

did you play 2016 on nightmare?
because I can't really understand somebody playing 2016 nightmare and then turning around and thinking enemies in eternal nightmare hit harder

[storm eagle]

omg. AHHHH

I forgot

[astral hamlet]

in 2016 for half the game you just die in 3 hits from literally anything

[urban river]

I play on ultra violence.

[astral hamlet]

that makes more sense

[graceful current]

makes sense why doom 2016's lost souls are so evil given they're meant to be the ones from 64

[astral hamlet]

bruh I hate lost souls man

[storm eagle]

And Classic Doom ones are the worst too. Those and chaingunners fml

[astral hamlet]

doesn't matter the game

[graceful current]

i dont actually mind doom 1/2 lost souls though i think it's because im more distracted by other enemies

theyre irritating tho

[astral hamlet]

the fact that they're actually kinda tanky in the og games makes them so tedious

[graceful current]

doom 3 lost souls are kinda pathetic but they're scary as fuck

[astral hamlet]

tbh I couldn't find anything in doom 3 scary

I was too busy getting annoyed at it

[storm eagle]

[urban river]

Eternal also has perhaps one too many get out of jail free cards. Between the Crucible blade, the BFG, and some of the alternate modes of the weapons (namely the meathook and heat blast), by the end of the game you end up with more powers than Superman.

[storm eagle]

HARD AGREE

I unbound the crucible and bfg

[visual mirage]

Dont forget the best of them all
The hammer

[storm eagle]

just to not train myself to rely on them

Hammer is great

[urban river]

Half the time i forget i even have them. Granted you don't get the Crucible blade until like what, the last 4 levels?

[storm eagle]

Taras Nabad

[astral hamlet]

crucible for me only gets use in the master levels when I don't feel like killing yet another tyrant

[visual mirage]

ssg blood punch spam

[storm eagle]

based

[astral hamlet]

I do wish they mixed the music up for the master levels

[urban river]

Speaking of music, anyone else feel like the score went down in quality from 2016?

[astral hamlet]

I won't say lower quality

[visual mirage]

Idk I always turn off the music

[astral hamlet]

but I do like 2016's music more

[storm eagle]

no

[astral hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/soulja-boy-says-huh-soulja-boy-huh-saying-huh-gif-20754849

serial killer behavior

[urban river]

IMO, some of the weapons in Eternal become completely unviable when the going gets tough.
The combat shotgun becomes a glorifed grenade launcher once you get Super.
The heavy cannon is ONLY useful because of micro missles.
and don't even get me starded on the missle launcher.
Enemies in this game have this really nasty habit of jumping in front of you and when those explosions go off, so too does all of your shields.

[visual mirage]

Base fire from the shotgun has always been shit since doom 3

[storm eagle]

I...have so much to say to this that I can't even. lol

[urban river]

Which is bizarre because for doom 1 (and to a lesser extent 2) it was basically the workhorse.

[jovial coral]

Bruh, you serious ??

[storm eagle]

PRECISION BOLT

[urban river]

Knew this answer was comin.

[visual mirage]

Just start using pb and the game becomes a cakewalk

Oh and air control too

[astral hamlet]

micromissiles are just a worse version of the chaingun's primary fire, except against hell knights

[storm eagle]

PRECISION BOLT!!!

[astral hamlet]

in the early game, a rack of micromissiles and a sticky bomb staggers a hell knight, which is pretty useful

but ye, precision bolt is probably the best mod in the game

although the chaingun shield exists

[storm eagle]

I'm logging out of the Eternal channel before I faint

[urban river]

Oh i agree, the chaingun more or less makes the heavy cannon obselete. Still its there AND it stuns the enemies just long enough to doose them in flame.

[urban river]

*laughs in flaming meathook

[visual mirage]

I dont recommend using the base fire of the heavy cannon though

[astral hamlet]

all three early game weapons' primary fire is ass

[visual mirage]

Dunno why id decided to change it to a projectile instead of hitscan

[astral hamlet]

in practical terms, there's no difference
no enemies are dodging a heavy cannon bullet

[visual mirage]

Yeah but it feels clunkier to use

Compared to 2016

[urban river]

So let me get this straight. in order to make the PB even remotely viable, i essentially have to freeze time via jumping.... Yet again, another get out of jail free card.

[astral hamlet]

no

just quickscope

[visual mirage]

Im not talking about chrono strike

[urban river]

You mean the FPS equivalent of wave dashing? Aight.

[void delta]

Tbh i never use percision bolt, cause im bad at quick scoping

[astral hamlet]

what can I say, it's extremely useful

[void delta]

I'll use it for mancui cannons, but otherwise i'll just use the balista or grenade launcher to take out weak points

[visual mirage]

Im talking about using pb to do “combos”

[void delta]

Plus I cant quickswap tk save my life (im on console) so using it in combos goes out the window for me

[visual mirage]

pb+rocket+pb+sb stunlocks almost every demon

Especially those with weakpoints

[astral hamlet]

demons in eternal can't really be stunlocked through damage alone, since damage is just soft falters and they have a time limit

usually what happens is that you just burst down the demons with dps and kill them before they can react

but when you get tankier stuff like barons/tyrants the bigger HP pool lets you actually run into that soft falter immunity window

but blood punches, weakpoint breaks, frags, heat blast, etc are all guaranteed falters, so if you use all of these things then yeah, you can essentially stunlock everything

[visual mirage]

Ssg blood punch spam for tankier demons

[urban river]

Oh yeah, the blood pouches too. Jeez. Well at least the game gives you options.

When it comes to overall difficulty, i could on paper see the argument that
"Doom eternal has a higher floor, but 2016 has a higher ceiling"
But in practice its not so. Eternal's constant juggling more or less ends the debate for me.

[astral hamlet]

I'd say it's the opposite

eternal custom maps can get absurdly difficult because the amount of power granted to the player is absolutely immense, but you have to be very adept with the game's systems to tap into it

[austere bronze]

i can absolutely see where you're coming from, but you're incorrect

while it's useful to main sticky bombs, its counterpart, the full auto, is very nice for finishing demons. in close range, it has the highest possible DPS you can get without quick swaps, and it matches the DPS of the highest DPS combo. but what makes it good is that it'll give you shotgun shells for killing demons (3 from fodder, 6 from heavies, 9 from super heavies)

thr precision bolt is highly useful for quick switching (due to some somewhat technical reasons), and it can break weakpoints, which doesn't matter a ton but it is very nice when comboing
micro missiles on the other hand drain heavy cannon ammo very quick and has lower DPS than quick swaps. although, i don't think it's ever completely useless, and i do use it

what do you mean by "the missile launcher"?

[astral hamlet]

I'd assume the rocket launcher

[urban river]

I dont know how. 2016's combat mechanics are pretty straight forward, run in circle, shoot, use finishers to catch breather. Eternal feels like the FPS version of wack a mole, where the moles are your resource meters.

[astral hamlet]

that's one place where I'll agree
the primary fire of the rocket launcher is infuriating if you're actually trying to hit enemies (assuming you're not aircamping, because then you can kinda just aim at the ground), because most of them will just dodge, and remote det is actually insultingly bad

[visual mirage]

It takes ages to fire another rocket

[void delta]

How is remote det bad?

Does it just have low damage or?

[austere bronze]

damage fall-off with it is pretty rough

but i main it

[void delta]

Damage fall off? Its a rocket- how does it have damage fall off? Lol

[astral hamlet]

enemies further away from the explosion take less damage

[void delta]

Ohhh, ok

[astral hamlet]

and that distance where enemies take much less damage is deceptively small

[austere bronze]

i also don't think it's particularly hard to hit enemies with rockets

[astral hamlet]

if you're on level ground, then it is

but obviously if you're zooming around above their heads it's not so bad

[visual mirage]

But thats where the unintentional mechanic of fse comes to shine

[void delta]

Yeah not really tbh, unless youre trying to use it on fast moving enemies, but then youre just using it wrong tbh

[austere bronze]

this is what maining lock-on does to someone😤

[void delta]

Wait how is it harder on level ground? 😭

[astral hamlet]

I just barely use rockets anymore lol
unless I'm just aiming at the floor

[austere bronze]

if you miss you don't get any splash damage, and the horizontal+vertical movement of enemies becomes more pronounced

[void delta]

Oh-

Well Im just talking about direct hits

[urban river]

The rocket launcher is THE worst ROI weapon in the game. I've never seen a more situational gun in my entire lineup

[austere bronze]

in the air you can usually rocket punch and just have a good time xD

[void delta]

dashing away to fire:

[storm eagle]

Rocket redirect hits

[storm eagle]

das what's up

[urban river]

The only thing reason the rocket launcher was viable in 2016 was after you get the move that lets you absorb its damage. because of nothing else it gets you out of being surrounded.

[austere bronze]

it's one of the strongest weapons-

[astral hamlet]

no
you just have to not face rocket yourself

[void delta]

Why are you getting surrounded in the first place?

[void delta]

Fr

[visual mirage]

The rocket self damage is higher in 2016 even with the upgrade

[astral hamlet]

yep

[urban river]

So you mean to tell me, you've NEVER had an enemy, like a grunt spawn in front of you and the rocket exploded on him? Get out.

[void delta]

Lol

[storm eagle]

posting this again bc it's relevant

Also...PB

[astral hamlet]

spawn in front of me? no, because spawn-in animations are fairly lengthy
have I ever face-rocketed myself? sure, occasionally, but that's my fault, not the rocket launcher's splash damage

[austere bronze]

here's the thing
both of the rocket launcher's mods are very good, lock-on burst can kill enemies very quick, and remote detonation has amazing faltering capabilities
and the base fire still remains highly relevant because of... just check LM's vid lmaoo

[void delta]

If had a few times where they jump in front of me, but its so rare that its not a problem

[storm eagle]

I need to get better with remote det in both Eternal and 2016

[urban river]

I get surrounded because the fodder endlessly spawnt during fights and when im dashing around our hitboxes collide.

[austere bronze]

hop in vc and strem your gameplay then☺️

[void delta]

Then meathook out of the situation- or kill them

[astral hamlet]

remote det is just a worse frag grenade

and I will die on this hill

[storm eagle]

I'm watching Spiderman lmao

[urban river]

I do?

[void delta]

Then how are you dying??

[austere bronze]

kinda true actually! but more falters=better

because enemies will attack less, and you'll take less damage

[urban river]

Didnt say i was dying.

[austere bronze]

and they'll move less

[void delta]

It has to be that your movement is wrong-

[storm eagle]

My guy, I know you're trying to be helpful tonight but maybe...try to sound nicer or something? lol I know you are meaning well, it just comes across as a bit abrasive over chat

[visual mirage]

I remember using remote det to blood punch cyber mancubi and failing miserably

[void delta]

Youre right, im sorry

[visual mirage]

Then again back then the falter system was shit

[storm eagle]

All good, my friends and fam text like you. To the point type stuff. But yeah

[astral hamlet]

don't you love trying to blood punch something and just getting a punch boost instead

[austere bronze]

yes i do

punch boosts are awesome

[storm eagle]

yess

[void delta]

Punch boosts?

[astral hamlet]

you punch something and get yeeted into the air

[void delta]

Oh- why? Lol

[storm eagle]

M1 link a Plobbus vid

[austere bronze]

that i managed to get this pboost is still one of my fave clips
https://youtu.be/-iw3GyxesAk?si=pq_J-XLQxy44NXqG&t=57

[astral hamlet]

it's a byproduct of the melee lunge the game gives you

[urban river]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-vs-darkseid-gif-27480830

[visual mirage]

https://youtu.be/FUWO5O_4Uic?si=l4JtK3MCG2uEf-D0

[urban river]

This is more or less how you have to play doom eternal.

[astral hamlet]

🤨

[austere bronze]

when you melee an enemy, you're lunged towards it, if you interrupt this lunge you maintain the speed from it

[void delta]

Im ngl thats kinda true lol

[austere bronze]

man watching this montage makes me actually wanna hop on eternal again

[void delta]

This might be a hot take- but I dont like how quickswaping looks visually

[astral hamlet]

is there something that doesn't make you want to hop on eternal again

[visual mirage]

Beat the doom eternal brainrot

[storm eagle]

tf you mean again? Have you been taking a break from it recently?

[urban river]

Quickswaping to Doom Eternal is what snaking is to Mario kart. I highly doubt the developers intended for people to play it like so but if you can master it's unintuitive nature, it rewards you with interest.

[visual mirage]

ssg+ballista is the only canon combo

[astral hamlet]

[storm eagle]

[void delta]

I think they did lol quickswaping is mentioned in the game

[austere bronze]

pretty much, for the past 3 weeks i've played 3 times

frick, meanr to respond to you @storm eagle

[astral hamlet]

only added in post-launch

[visual mirage]

And maybe pb+rocket too since its in the quickswitch tutorial

[storm eagle]

playing more TDA instead?

[void delta]

Oh-

[austere bronze]

quick swapping in eternal was intended,

but everything with FSE, BATS, wack swaps, etc, was unintended

[astral hamlet]

just not FSE

yeah exactly

[urban river]

Not to be able to spam launch rockets though.

[visual mirage]

ssg+rocket+ballista

[storm eagle]

quack swaps

[austere bronze]

loll

[storm eagle]

pb+ssg, pb+ballista classics

[austere bronze]

not really tbh, just haven't felt like it lately

[austere bronze]

still haven't completed the game

[storm eagle]

Me neither oops

[visual mirage]

same lmao

[storm eagle]

🥀

[astral hamlet]

ain't no way man

[visual mirage]

Its just……

DOOM: The Dark Ages is a good game

But a bad DOOM game…..

[astral hamlet]

[austere bronze]

i am a bad gamer but a good doom gamer

[visual mirage]

tru

[graceful current]

❌ ❌ ❌

[void delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527551154094150/1439324903856668813/302EF326-D255-4F4D-B468-5A84EFAA71E8.gif

[astral hamlet]

whenever I hear someone say the cliche of doom 3 is a good game but a bad doom game, I feel the need to correct them
because doom 3 isn't a good game either

[visual mirage]

I disagree

Doom 3 is peak

[astral hamlet]

that is within your rights

[storm eagle]

lol

[astral hamlet]

I just think it's kinda shit

[storm eagle]

idk why but you're extra funny today Katsu

[astral hamlet]

uh oh

[austere bronze]

does anyone have funny map recommendations

[astral hamlet]

probably means I drank too much

[astral hamlet]

never played a meme map before

[visual mirage]

Rainlight's reclaimed earth

[austere bronze]

just meant any good map

[austere bronze]

isn't that the one with the fog and stimps and possessed archviles😭

[astral hamlet]

funni

[visual mirage]

https://youtu.be/QtaGCr_jB7w?si=AQ7pCGzsSMUuBzir

Idk if this one is in the mod portal

[austere bronze]

pretty sure it is

never touching it though

[sacred spear]

The correct opinion.
Jump scares and a single imp behind every door does not a good game make.

[distant linden]

Hi, I need help completing a Battlemode achievement. I don’t speak English very well, but is anyone available to help me?

[dense magnet]

Doom is a very cool game 👍

[austere bronze]

true

[harsh musk]

https://www.nexusmods.com/doometernal/mods/846 https://www.nexusmods.com/doometernal/mods/309

[visual mirage]

I completly forgot about the tutorial ml

Back then it was considered one of the best (if not the best) modded ml ever created

[leaden helm]

Hey guys. anyone up to helping each other earning the multiplayer trophies?

[spark herald]

Me

@leaden helm

[austere bronze]

in doom eternal you can learn something from every death
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382839980795105406/1439647088752332950/No_GK.mp4?ex=691b4755&is=6919f5d5&hm=f85892daf7c15b8cdfaa145da2fad6f434a92f62e20b179a78741ab67d1fe406&

[pliant meteor]

Objects in purple are further than they appear

[rugged flax]

Damn

[austere bronze]

xd

[vapid mural]

[muted pagoda]

hi i just need some clarification bc i cant find an answer online but feet ballista still works against marauders in current patch correct?

bc i heard it got patched and then got fixed? so does it work still

[austere bronze]

yes, only change made to it is that it requires the marauder to have taken a bit more damage before it works

but any normal combo will easily deal enough damage, and you can even reach it by splashing him with e.g. stickies

[muted pagoda]

so essentially the marauder needs to not be at full health for the ballista tech to work?

[austere bronze]

you have to deal a certain amount of damage (or more) in a certain time window, then you can do feet ballista

the damage is "forgotten" if you don't deal any damage for too long

a couple of seconds

[nova cairn]

what did i just see

ive argued this over a million times i dont think i need to do it again

or ykw ill just paste my arguement i made in a google doc months ago

doom tda is actually more faithful to the original dooms than eternal especially with less verticality to the levels as the original dooms didnt have much verticality, all the weapons are strong enough to kill on their own rather than being utility, the weaving through projectiles is a lot more like classic doom, the game is a lot more grounded and you cant just get free dodges by just moving around like eternal or 2016(for most attacks), you actually have to work for it, it does feel a lot more like a modern reinvention of classic doom with modern additions like shield saw/melee weapons

[visual mirage]

Press mouse 2 the game

[nova cairn]

hold that endlessly and boom your shield is broken(on higher difficulties)

(it breaks in 2 hits on nightmare)

[visual mirage]

Also I remember being able to run sideways on classic doom

[nova cairn]

that is one issue sure i hope they make the run universal

[visual mirage]

Not just forward

Also it doesnt help that the majority of the projectiles from the demons have tracking

[muted pagoda]

ah i see ty

[graceful current]

which is so much worse than Eternal aka Watch Cutscene The Game

[fierce wave]

I am attempting a nightmare run on Doom eternal because first I started at hurt me plenty and then instead of going to ultraviolence I just skipped to nightmare mode and it's honestly not that hard as I thought

[nova cairn]

nightmare gets easy when you get good at it

[scenic axle]

If you know the game its not too bad, the skill ceiling is also ridiculously high that you can easily get to the point that the base game is just easy

well easily if you play enough

[visual mirage]

R HOLD TO SKIP

Unless its an unskippable cutscene

Peak game design ngl 😍

[shrewd berry]

I just got through probably the worst encounter in the entire game… it had a marauder than an Archvile…

[shrewd berry]

omg idk where his last armored portion is!!!

[rugged flax]

Nekravol part 2?

[shrewd berry]

final sin…

[rugged flax]

Oh wait

Yeah that aswell

Nekravol 2 had them seperratef

Tho final sin was easy af

[shrewd berry]

I found it dude…

[rugged flax]

U found it hard?

[shrewd berry]

Coulda sworn I could’ve found it way earlier ugh

[rugged flax]

Huh

[shrewd berry]

It was kindve an annoying fight.

[rugged flax]

Ig?

[final oracle]

what are some good doom eternal music? like meathook

[rugged flax]

The Arc complex one

[final oracle]

ah ty!

[final oracle]

whats the name for it?

[rugged flax]

”The only thing they fear is you” if I recall correctly

[azure oriole]

TDA is a great Doom game. Just wanna respond to this an emphasize that every Doom game is great.

Doom fans whining about any Doom game need to look at the franchise and re-evaluate. I am gonna, uh, reverse gatekeep? Is that what it'd be called? None of them are bad. The closest is Doom 2 having some shitty maps.

Doom 2016 rocks. Doom Eternal is incredible. Doom TDA fucks. They are all great games. This franchise has consistently fantastic games and more fans should appreciate that.

[vapid lantern]

@azure oriole I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said here

[azure oriole]

W

I dunno man. I have no nostalgia for Doom or anything, 2016 is what got me into it. But from an objective stance the worst Doom game is still at worst a B-tier game.

Unless we include Final Doom. TNT Evilution kinda sucks.

But people trying to cause conflict with "Eternal fanboys" or "2016 fans" bothers me because all of these games rock. The modern Doom trilogy is one of the best examples of a series where every game is an 8/10 at the worst yet each game is seriously different from each other.

Three completely different games yet all of them are masterpieces. This franchise has an incredible track record.

(Doom 3 too. Doom 3 rocks.)

[rugged flax]

I mostly agree with all of this tho to me doom 3 is the weakest

Or atleast from what I have seen I never have played it

Only watched my cousin play it

[azure oriole]

You should play it.

[rugged flax]

Ok I’ll look into it

[frigid garden]

Hiii I need someone’s opinion on TAG. I’ve heard a lot of controversy considering the dlcs for Eternal, saying that they are unfinished or were rushed in development. I’d like to ask somebody who’s played both parts and get their opinion on if it’s worth it to purchase and play them

[rugged flax]

I liked them a lot

If u liked the base game you’d like tag aswell

[frigid garden]

Oki thank you for your input 🫶🏾

[rugged flax]

Now they are a bit off at some points

But the gameplay is very fun

Also tag 1 final boss is my arch nemesis

So be prepared for that fight

[azure oriole]

They are 100% worth it. Gameplay-wise there's little of it that feels rushed.

They are not unfinished, and the complaints that they're "rushed" are exaggerated. All that happened is that The Ancient Gods - Part Two has some weird story plotholes in it because COVID meant development was a bit chaotic.

Both DLCs are very fun.

[astral hamlet]

This is purely my opinion of course, but the difference between TAG 1 and TAG 2 is absolutely enormous
In many ways the first dlc feels like an expansion of the base game—some really cool level design and a couple new enemies, but it’s really just the same awesome doom eternal formula, just dialed up much higher. Annoying gimmicks are used fairly sparingly (except the final boss, but that’s another story), and overall it’s just a great time.
TAG 2, on the other hand, is completely different. There’s almost no variety in the arenas—it’s either the same indoor multi-level complex over and over, or it’s some dumb gimmicky encounter that does little more than irritate the heck out of you. And to boot, they just add a bunch of enemy AI whose sole purpose is to just make the game less fluid and fun to play. Add on top of that the beyond broken hammer which completely removes the chainsaw from the combat loop and trivializes damn near everything, and you’ve just got yourself an expansion that really doesn’t even feel like the same game at times. Oh, and to incentivize you to abuse the hammer, every combat arena just spams fodder at you, which, needless to say, isn’t the most fun thing in the world.

[graceful current]

i like the hammer :3

it's not well balanced mind but i like it

[nova cairn]

in tag1 theres like three lvels, all of them are an absurd difficulty spike from the main campaign levels, the encounters are super intense and satisfying, the games pace also ramps up significantly as well, theres a boss at the end that is going to kick your little ass until your brain comes out to turn on and win the fight,

i like to call it the definitive doom eternal experience

tag2 is just a little bit empty in the encounters and the hammer makes most of the encounters easily passable, the final boss is uh

[astral hamlet]

if you don't use the bfg in the main campaign, then uac atlantica is a pretty natural continuation, especially from final sin

[sacred spear]

I echo most of what Katsu said. I think TAG1 is the logical conclusion of Eternal's brand of combat. It's every mechanic you know from the base game turned up to 11 where almost every fight is a ball buster and even normal "break" areas between arenas have hostile environments/architecture. Hugo and Co. Were fully in their bag for the entire expansion.
TAG2 was very obviously a rush job outside of World Spear. World Spear is a great level with lots of cool fights and plenty of novel areas. The other 2 levels are the same skate park arena shuffled around for 2 hours until you get to one of the worst final boss fights in a genre known for awful boss fights.
Personally I love the hammer. It speeds up the combat even more and if you're still playing Eternal at that point I think you deserve an "I win" button that takes a smidge more thought than whipping out the BFG.

[graceful current]

immora is the only level in tag 2 i really enjoy

world spear is fun but it draaaaags

[olive moss]

it goes

immora
reclaimed earth
dark lord
world spear

i love all 4 though

immora should have been longer though

[astral hamlet]

immora is just an enormous dissapointment

[olive moss]

immora should have been the hardest level in the game

i should have been weeping at even the mention of the name

[scenic axle]

I think blood swamps and the holt are a step up, and final sin is by far the hardest level in the game so I think it’s a significant increase in difficulty

[scenic axle]

The hammer is even more op than the bfg because you can just spam it and combine it with flame belch and ice bomb for infinite hp

It’s such a stupid weapon

It makes tag2 such a joke if you abuse it, it’s so easy

[storm eagle]

#eternal-modding message

[austere bronze]

how would the hammer speed up the gameplay

it's an animation, albeit fast, which dazes enemies

neither of those 2 speeds up the game

[fringe torrent]

You can daze enemies and then blow them all up at once instead of running around after them

At least that's what I think they meant

[sacred spear]

The animation is quicker than the chainsaw's and doesn't lock you to a single enemy. And you can refill it instantly vs having to wait 10s for the chainsaw pip

[scenic axle]

i think you could argue it makes it slower cause it just pauses enemies

[wary venture]

How hard Is tag1 on TYTD compared to the campaign in HMP?

[astral hamlet]

It shouldn’t be any harder
TAG1 on ultra violence is easier than the campaign on nightmare

You can probably just afford to play the dlc on HMP

[austere bronze]

significantly easier

[wary venture]

Thanks, i'll try It After tag 2 and horde mode

[astral hamlet]

Why are you doing tag1 after tag2 😭

[wary venture]

I mean try It in hmp

I already beat tag 1 on tytd

[astral hamlet]

ah

[quick yew]

eh

immora felt quite short to me, it hands down had the most killer soundtrack out of all the levels though

reclaimed earth's traversal was quite interesting to me + the level's theme itself is unlike pretty much any previously seen in the series

[wary venture]

I like reclaimed earth

[austere bronze]

best tag2 level for sure

although.. not a very high bar

[astral hamlet]

hell nah

worst level in the game

[visual mirage]

Nah that would be world spear

Fucking skyrim level

[astral hamlet]

at least we agree that tag 2 was shite

[austere bronze]

yeah

[visual mirage]

I disagree

Tag 2 is peak

[austere bronze]

especially screechers🥰

[astral hamlet]

“If you’re a fan of doom eternal, you’re a fan of screechers”

[inner timber]

Alyx vance is commander thria.
Aug 8 2012

[fringe torrent]

This is the correct channel for that

[wary venture]

I love tag2, but screechers make me think marauders are easy

[austere bronze]

how do they make you think that

[wary venture]

They buff neardy enemies, at least the marauder can be ignored most of the fight

[wicked ridge]

That fight sucked on nightmare for me

Marauders are my big weakness no matter how many hours I play

[wary venture]

I don't think i can talk here, i only play too young to die

[wicked ridge]

Fair enough

Its a rough world in Eternals nightmare difficulty 😭

Hell I still struggle late game with UV

[wary venture]

Is It more fun?

[visual mirage]

No

[wicked ridge]

Depends on how tight you like the gameplay

[wary venture]

Ok

[wicked ridge]

If you wanna be micromanaging everything than nightmare is fun but I prefer HMP

Its not too easy but its lax enough to sit back and enjoy the demon slaying ride

[wary venture]

After tag 2 i'll try it

[wicked ridge]

I’d work your way up

[austere bronze]

it feels just as hard if your skill level scales proportionally with difficulty, what could make higher difficulties more fun is that you'll naturally be better at the game, and then it can be more fun

[spark herald]

Same

[wicked ridge]

Maybe dabble in HMP and UV before doing nightmare

[wary venture]

Thanks

[austere bronze]

yeah definitely progressively work your way up

i started at the easiest difficulty and it definitely worked for me lol

[wicked ridge]

I have like 300 hours in Eternal and I still sweat playing nightmare

[wary venture]

Did you beat ultra Nightmare?

[visual mirage]

No

[wicked ridge]

Yeah, just barely

[wary venture]

Cool

[austere bronze]

i really wish ultra nightmare was just nightmare but harder

the current UN kinda sucks lmao

[wicked ridge]

I mean technically it is

Its just perma death nightmare

[austere bronze]

no, each death is just more punishing

[visual mirage]

Fast monsters 😩💦💦💦

[austere bronze]

forcing you to redo arenas and levels you can already do

yay.. fun..

[austere bronze]

absolute peak doom eternal

wish we had that in the natural difficulty progression

[wicked ridge]

Its a major skill check for sure

[wary venture]

Wath Is your favorite boss?

[wicked ridge]

I’ll be honest I don’t really like any of Eternals bosses outside of Icon Of Sin

[austere bronze]

doom hunters, followed by the final boss in tag1

[wary venture]

The seraphim Is Just unfair

[wicked ridge]

Yeah he’s unfettered bs

[astral hamlet]

he's not unfair, just hard

[austere bronze]

not really though

yeah

[wary venture]

Khan maykhr took 4 extra lifes

[astral hamlet]

pretty annoying with how he teleports around nonstop though

[wicked ridge]

The Khan was lame and ez if you do slayer gates and upgrade chaingun

[austere bronze]

UN or faster demons?

[wicked ridge]

UN as a whole

[austere bronze]

each health bar is basically gone with just 2 lock-on bursts😭

[astral hamlet]

UN isn't a skill check
it's just a check to see how well you know the encounter comps

[wicked ridge]

Yeah, thats the skill check…

[astral hamlet]

memorization is not a skill

[visual mirage]

It is

[wary venture]

True

[austere bronze]

yea arena memorization plays a very large role (😴)

[wicked ridge]

Oh it definitely is

[wary venture]

Memorazation Is very important

[austere bronze]

it more checks your patience, as it isn't harder than regular NM, just has more punishing deaths
and arena memorization can massively ease it

and i wouldn't really count that as a doom eternal combat skill

play anything new and you'll be kimda cooked

[wicked ridge]

Playing nightmare in general already requires combat skill and then add the whole death thing in and yeah its kind of all down to skills

[austere bronze]

perma death could absolutely still be in the game, but as an option for all difficulties, and make UN the hardest difficulty

[wary venture]

How hard Is horde mode?

[wicked ridge]

I like what Dark Ages did with its 2 new difficulties

[austere bronze]

the later waves do actually become some of the hardest arenas in the game, including master levels

[visual mirage]

Aspiring slayer

[austere bronze]

but you can get over 30 extra lives...

[astral hamlet]

the later encounters are very difficult, but you get a metric ton of extra lives so you should be fine

[austere bronze]

yeah i mean unless you wanna be at it for a whilee UN does require more skill than nightmare, but it's almost "artificial" as the only reason you need more skill is because each death is annoyingly punishing

[wicked ridge]

True

I won’t deny the artificial difficulty thing

Lotta modern games do it much to everyones chagrin

Resident Evil 8 is probably the worst offender of this

Its highest difficulty is “Turn all hp bars to like 5x as much and then triple all damage”

[austere bronze]

would be really cool if UN made enemies like 50% faster and they dealt 40% more damage or something

and then have a seperate option for perma death which can be applied to all difficulties

[astral hamlet]

lets stick to just faster enemies lol

[visual mirage]

Permanent buff totem

[wicked ridge]

I need fast monsters to be an option like classic Doom

[astral hamlet]

don't know how fun 115 damage manc fireballs would be

[austere bronze]

(not really sure how balanced this is for most players, just random numbers)

early game would be unbalanced as shit though

[wicked ridge]

I mean that’d be basically what nightmare always was: not even remotely fair.

[austere bronze]

if you're on pc you can get it

[wicked ridge]

I play on PS5

[austere bronze]

dang

[wicked ridge]

Yeah, my pc doesn’t work rn

[austere bronze]

custom difficulties is really fun to mess around with imo

[wicked ridge]

Needs a new mobo and cpu and I’m broke as hell

[austere bronze]

you can adjust enemy damage, damage to enemies, and their speed

add that to custom master levels and randomizers and you get peak

[wicked ridge]

I just have a craptop that barely runs GZDoom

[austere bronze]

especially when considering classic doom's nightmare, i don't think having a very hard final diff would be bad

but maybe 1.5x ai speed and damage is a bit much, idrk

it almost certainly is in the beginning though

[astral hamlet]

giving enemies unlimited stamina and faster movement speed would be fun

[wicked ridge]

All enemies are Icon Of Sin

Boom best UN possible

[austere bronze]

nightmare tokens already allow enemies to do basically whatevs

or at least in my experience

[visual mirage]

K but infinite tokens are a lie

[austere bronze]

yes

infinite tokens are easier than triple tokens😭

[visual mirage]

There's technically a cap

[astral hamlet]

ah
maybe just near-instant reaction time then

[austere bronze]

yeah, but mods that give inf tokens also makes actions require 0

[visual mirage]

Infinite tokens make taras nabad ml a cakewalk ngl fr tho

[astral hamlet]

How so

[visual mirage]

Archviles

[austere bronze]

archviles don't do their summoning when you use infinite tokens mods

they just attack you

making the double archvile room muchh easier

[visual mirage]

They are allowed to summon things only when you are glory killing or chainsawing

[astral hamlet]

oof

[austere bronze]

that's why triple tokens is the goat if you want to make sure enemies always attack

i just run normal tokens though

[visual mirage]

I thought you were anti token lol lmao
oh

[austere bronze]

i am anti needless dik measuring contests

such as honor bound, UNing hard levels or running extra tokens

even though i just played honor bound 2 days ago

[visual mirage]

But thats part of the fun of being in the 1%

[olive siren]

I just finished my first UltraNightmare run, and the Golden Skin isn't in my inventory, does anyone know what can I do?

[visual mirage]

Beat UN again

[wary venture]

Bruh

[astral hamlet]

yikes

[olive siren]

If beat it once i can beat twice but damn...

[wary venture]

I bet i'ts a pain in the ass

[visual mirage]

At least you get the benefit of not owning one of the ugliest skin in the game

[spark herald]

What’s the marauders like

[olive siren]

Lol

[olive siren]

The way I played, I had like 400h in the game already, so it wasn't that hard, just SLOB their asses

[olive siren]

It is

[spark herald]

Jeez 400h

How do you find stuff to do

[olive siren]

I can't explain either, the mechanics are just so cool to master

Trying to do Speedruns, Mods, UN, Master Levels

[spark herald]

You ever get a record?

[olive siren]

No, i'm just starting now lol, the majority of my time was spent trying to downpatch de game

[visual mirage]

Freddy fazbeae hur hur hur hur hur

[viscid marten]

[spark herald]

June 20th is your birthday?

[viscid marten]

yes

[spark herald]

Nice

Mines 27th

[viscid marten]

ok :)

[scenic axle]

It’s funny how some people wait so long to do it, nothing wrong with it most people just try to do it sooner

[visual mirage]

My first playthrough was on UN

[austere bronze]

the combat is insanely deep, you can't ever truly master it

and then add that to mods and boom

[austere bronze]

skin unlocker

[olive siren]

I just never felt the need to try it, then out of nowhere I just felt like I had to do it

[olive siren]

Yeah I use Skin Unlocker, but it would be cool to see the skin without mods yknow, not like it matters anyway lol

[austere bronze]

i think like the aspect this is the most clear with is the application of tech

to use all of the useful tech optimally

this is something which will forever taunt me

[olive siren]

Bhopping in the middle of combat is 🔥🔥🔥

[scenic axle]

yeah that's fair

[olive siren]

Every single second was worth it 🔥🔥🔥

[austere bronze]

for sure

i love how the tech in eternal can be both (relatively) accessible, but also soo difficult to master or apply for some of it

[olive siren]

They're all easy to do once, but so hard to really use

[visual mirage]

ssg+ballista+ssg

[olive siren]

That works too

[austere bronze]

i don't even think they're all easy to just learn in a vacuum

rocket punch cancels aren't easy to learn, and the timing for that is pretty generous compared to some other stuff

but no one tech is super hard to do alone

if you don't combine any techs, rocket punch cancels probably are the hardest weapon related thing lol

excluding arcane ass shit such as frame ballista and others

[olive siren]

Never heard about that

[austere bronze]

rocket punch cancels?

[olive siren]

Yes

Is the same as the PB punch cancel?

[austere bronze]

yes, it's the same theory

you can do it with the pb, ssg, rockets, sticky bombs, and ballista

for the stickies and rockets however, things get more complicated

[olive siren]

Interesting

[austere bronze]

you know how pb+rocket is a very fast combo? that's because the pb applies FSE (fast swap effect) to the rocket launcher, which makes it swap faster
you have to apply FSE to the rocket launcher and combat shotgun begore punch cancelling them, which also makes rhe timing tighter because they're fast and if you time the punch wrong you lose FSE

you technically don't have to apply FSE to punch cancel the rocket launcher, but it's way slower that way

and something unique to the stickies is thay you don't have to press the weapon's bind after punching, making it a bit easier than rockets

lol sorry for the info-dump

[olive siren]

Nonono, i liked it

[olive siren]

I want to know where you findout about all that stuff, i didnt know that

[visual mirage]

Under The Mayo tech guides

[austere bronze]

i've learnt most of what i know from talking to others, but the best (current) source i know of for tech is drakephose's WIP scripts in the resources channel for eternal in the MDSR discord

it has a few inaccuracies and omits a few things, but they're nitpicks

it's overall a very good source for info

you can hit me up anytime though, i love talking about this typa stuff

how to apply tech, how to use it together, what's actually useful, how to do it and all that

[olive siren]

I love to hear about it

[olive siren]

I can send a friend request if you want to talk more about it

[spark herald]

When I’m getting gunpletionist, do I need to get the mastery on both upgrades or just 1

[visual mirage]

Both

[spark herald]

I used idkfa by accident, is the trophy still bugged with that

[visual mirage]

Yeah you're pretty screwed

[visual mirage]

You'll have to start a new save

You can use mastery tokens tho

[spark herald]

I just beat taras again

[muted pagoda]

is there any way to make chronostrike a different keybind then your weapon mod fire key or do i just have to cope

[visual mirage]

Only if you know how to mod the game

[spark herald]

What does reset mission do

[visual mirage]

Idk

[austere bronze]

sure!

[visual mirage]

gaming

[austere bronze]

indeed

[muted pagoda]

is there a mod that does that or do i have to do it myself

[austere bronze]

there's not a mod that does it afaik, but chrono strike isn't really a good rune to begin with

[tranquil cradle]

I Wish I could buy the dlc on PlayStation…

Why would they make it unavailable