doom-eternal

[astral hamlet]

but honestly a lot of the exploits make it more fun

[warm heath]

easy fix for me is

running away

[hardy umbra]

oh def
it just annoys me that a lot of folks say TDA is less polished when their poster child of a demon barely functions right

[astral hamlet]

most of the time I enjoy marauder fights
he has just enough bugginess to keep me on the edge of my seat but usually not so much that it's unfair

but when you pair him with bullet spamming enemies it just gets tedious

[rapid pagoda]

Yes, this is not possible in the arena though.

[warm heath]

I never found marauders annoying tbh

[rapid pagoda]

There are way too many demons that interfere and get in the way.

[hardy umbra]

yeah bc of the stinky "oh my friend shot a bullet at me that means i spawn a dog"

[hardy umbra]

how so? you need the grenades for other enemies?

[rapid pagoda]

Literally why this arena sucks.

[astral hamlet]

more so that the arena has very little space

[hardy umbra]

yeah. marauder should have been fixed DLC 1 but they didn't and that is a huge L on IDs part.

[rapid pagoda]

Oh, no, it's because you'll have 2 whiplashes, 2 hellknights, a cybermancubus, tons of mechazombies and other fodder BEELINE to your location.

[warm heath]

I mean you don't need nades for 1 cycle

[rapid pagoda]

Not to mention the forest of projectiles that will be at you even if they aren't at your location.

[hardy umbra]

very true but it is a low skill floor strat, helps a ton

[warm heath]

using nades feel off to me lmao

[rapid pagoda]

You do if you're using only ssg ballista realistically.

[warm heath]

oh well fair enough

[astral hamlet]

also I guess you can also use the bfg trick on him
shoot the projectile over his head then bang him with the ballista when he's blocking the tendril, which will stun him and make him take full damage from the tendril

[rapid pagoda]

You should be using a grenade during the second wave otherwise it won't work.

[rapid pagoda]

I'm not using my BFG on this arena.

[astral hamlet]

yeah fair

[rapid pagoda]

The last one is absolute hell.

I'd rather use it there.

[astral hamlet]

I don't like using it either

[hardy umbra]

I'd have to play the arena again but that means reinstalling and guh

[warm heath]

well idk I preserve my nades for other demons but I guess its just which is easier and more practical for you to use

[rapid pagoda]

BUUUT.
I have good news!
Katsu's trick works really well!
It's actually much more managable.
I still died, but, very possible now.

[rapid pagoda]

It recharges so fast.

So it really doesn't matter.

You have 2 anyways.

[astral hamlet]

it took me 15 tries to beat on nightmare even with the trick lol

[rapid pagoda]

I've gotten close without the trick, so I'll beat it today I'm sure.

[astral hamlet]

shield soldiers can eat me

[warm heath]

mwup is possible but just feels weird lol

[rapid pagoda]

mwup?

I'm going to take a breather before going back.
My hands are shaking.

[warm heath]

mouse wheel

for nades

[astral hamlet]

I have a friend that binds ssg to mwup and ballista to mwdown

incredibly cursed

[rapid pagoda]

I know why I'm constantly dying, it's because my nerves get in the way.

I'm not sure how to relax when crap gets super intense.

[warm heath]

feels weird

[limpid shell]

cursed? that's smart

[astral hamlet]

master levels get like that
because you know that you can't just close the game and come back later

[rapid pagoda]

That's what I've done so many times.

I'm tired of rerunning it.

[warm heath]

true under pressure is crazy lol

[astral hamlet]

the two aren't mutually exclusive

[warm heath]

un feels harder than nm for me

[rapid pagoda]

I feel like I'm cornered a lot.

[rapid pagoda]

Because of the pressure, right?

[limpid shell]

yeye ik but still

[warm heath]

use the meat hook and freeze more

[warm heath]

yep lmao

[astral hamlet]

idk putting weapon binds on mouse just feels ehhh

[warm heath]

I forgot there was a pinky in sgn so I just got sniped

[rapid pagoda]

I'm trying, but, of course, the brilliant minds at id software made the marauder completely immune to freezing. :)

[warm heath]

the moment I heard it I just died immediately

[astral hamlet]

lmao
thank goodness eternal pinkies are less BS than 2016 pinkies though

[rapid pagoda]

So if they body block you, well, tough luck!

[warm heath]

I mean marauder is supposed to be a tough enemy so I can see why they did that

[rapid pagoda]

I see it as well, I just wish that he wasn't so broken.

[warm heath]

true but man they literally hit like a truck in nightmare

[rapid pagoda]

Like his AI, is genuinely, the most inconsistent thing I've ever seen.

Sometimes he comes beelining for you, sometimes he'll just stand there and shield.

Sometimes he'll be foot dancing in front of you for no reason.

[astral hamlet]

and then your screen vibrates like there's been an earthquake and you have no clue what's even going on

[rapid pagoda]

And just bait you into a shotgun blast.

[rapid pagoda]

Have you not noticed that?

[astral hamlet]

imagine if davoth had marauder ai in addition to his regular attacks

[warm heath]

the what?

[rapid pagoda]

From here. 💀

[warm heath]

marauders like to do a little trolling

[rapid pagoda]

💀

I feel like I'm being told in the most polite way possible "skill issue." 😭

[limpid shell]

marauders are my number one opp after that secret encounter

[warm heath]

marauder rage bait is real

[astral hamlet]

which one

[rapid pagoda]

It really is.

[astral hamlet]

taras nabad or the holt

[limpid shell]

a marauder and 2 mecha zombies

[rapid pagoda]

I like the enemy, I just don't like how they put him in this arena.

[limpid shell]

taras nabad i think

[warm heath]

feels bad for you man

[rapid pagoda]

Are you trying to rage bait? 💀

[astral hamlet]

yeah you just had to kill the mecha zombies instantly

[rapid pagoda]

💀

[warm heath]

nah

[rapid pagoda]

Oh, alright, I couldn't tell. 😭

[rapid pagoda]

How's the UN run by the way?

[hardy umbra]

marauders are buggy af, unless you beat the hell out of them immediately.

no rage bait, that's just how it be.

[rapid pagoda]

That's what I was saying, literally. 💀

[limpid shell]

barons of hell try not to be the most annoying thing ever challenge (impossible)

[rapid pagoda]

It's so strangely inconsistent.

[hardy umbra]

the other demons are mid compared to marauder.

[rapid pagoda]

Barons are perfectly fine, honestly.
I could live with them.

[astral hamlet]

them and blood maykrs

barons at least are really fun though

[limpid shell]

them rushing at me is not helping during this icon of sin fight

[hardy umbra]

blood makrys are annoying but not on the same level. they are a different level of annoying, but much lower. they can at least be one shot with fast aim.

[astral hamlet]

either they bully the hell out of you, or you bully the hell out of them
there is no in between

[rapid pagoda]

Crucible.

[rapid pagoda]

Literally. 😭

[hardy umbra]

consider the following: freeze nade damage buff

or BFG

[warm heath]

haven't continued it yet, playing dlc rn

[rapid pagoda]

Oh! How's the DLC then?

[warm heath]

fun

I'm only doing it in uv tho

[rapid pagoda]

That's awesome. :)

Oh, why not nightmare?

[astral hamlet]

i have a mod installed for the mobile turret that makes it consume ammo 2x faster, but gives it 2x higher dps as a result
I run out of ammo in like 3 seconds but god it's so fun

[warm heath]

because I started like a month ago so I just continued from there

[rapid pagoda]

Oh, that's fair.

You can change the difficulty at any time though.

In the settings.

[warm heath]

yep

[astral hamlet]

real
if I had played the dlc on nightmare first I probably would have quit midway through

[warm heath]

I'll do extra life mode in nightmare

[rapid pagoda]

Fair. :)

I really hope it isn't any worse after this arena.

Someone please tell me it doesn't get worse. 😭

[warm heath]

💀

[astral hamlet]

people might say it does, but it really doesn't

[rapid pagoda]

This is the halfway mark. 💀

[astral hamlet]

last arena is really long but it's not harder than the one you're stuck on

just a lot of big guys but no marauders

[rapid pagoda]

Any marauders?

GOOD.

I'm set then. 🥳

BFG my best friend.

Best Friend Gun.

[astral hamlet]

yeah you actually get a bfg pickup right after you finish the last arena to deal with some shenanigans afterwards
so you can honestly use both bfg shots if you want to

[rapid pagoda]

I will be using both.

@warm heath @astral hamlet @hardy umbra Any tips though on how to breathe during the arena?
Like, how to not let your nerves get to you?

I tend to get low, freak out.

[warm heath]

escape

[astral hamlet]

once you get low, either whip out the chaingun shield or whip out the ssg and meathook to fodder for some armor

[limpid shell]

fnally, icon phase 2

[astral hamlet]

I don't like using the shield anymore, so I just get a lot of distance with the meathook and restack

[rapid pagoda]

I do that, but I die almost instantly to a projectile. 💀

[rapid pagoda]

Also, how does this help your nerves? 😭

[rapid pagoda]

That's fair.

I think my mind tends to go blank.

Is the issue.

[warm heath]

goodluck, it should be just the same but the icon of sin has like 1 or 2 more attacks

[rapid pagoda]

Especially when I can't move because I'm being body blocked.

[astral hamlet]

when I get low health I usually just get pissed rather than freaking out

[warm heath]

esc key

gtg gl everyone

[rapid pagoda]

Oh. 💀

That- Isn't a bad idea.

[astral hamlet]

cya

[rapid pagoda]

Bye Riptide! See you later!

[rapid pagoda]

I wish I had that.

I think I just need to play more so that even when things get intense, I'm conditioned not to freak out.

[astral hamlet]

are you listening to jack black while playing doom 😭

[rapid pagoda]

He's listening to lava chicken by minecraft.

[limpid shell]

of course

tenacious d is a wonderful wonderful band

and wonderboy, i fear, is their magnum opus

[astral hamlet]

no no they are good

[rapid pagoda]

Awww... I thought my guess was good.

[astral hamlet]

but just listening to them while playing doom eternal sounds hilarious

[limpid shell]

tis

may throw on my gaylist, gotta lock in for this phase 2 lowkey

[rapid pagoda]

Bye Ohayo!

See when you finish it!

[astral hamlet]

hold down mouse1 weapon swap until it is done

[rapid pagoda]

Is this only arena that's just quite literally like this?

Like, this arena feels- Weird.
Compared to the others in the game.

[hardy umbra]

grenade spam and BP is great for it, at least in the moment

[limpid shell]

ive been maining mobile turret for it

[rapid pagoda]

I never thought of blood punch honestly, I might just try that.

[limpid shell]

and chainsawing zombies in between

[astral hamlet]

he takes reduced damage from mobile turret 😭

[hardy umbra]

mobile turret is actually less effective

[limpid shell]

WHAT

[hardy umbra]

yeah mobile turret is low key bad

[limpid shell]

they used it in the tip

[astral hamlet]

afaik just your standard weapon swaps are just much more effective against him

[rapid pagoda]

It's not good, it's really bad damage output.

[hardy umbra]

Or you could also use the shield bash for insane DPS and falters lmao

[limpid shell]

"standard weapon swaps"?

[hardy umbra]

shield bash mode is big funny.

[astral hamlet]

pb ballista
ssg ballista
pb rocket
etc

[rapid pagoda]

^^^

[astral hamlet]

and then when you run low on shells/plasma then just empty micromissiles into him

[hardy umbra]

am i weird for liking HC ballista weapon swap more than SSG

[limpid shell]

what is pb

[astral hamlet]

precision bolt

[astral hamlet]

nah pb ballista is crispy

[hardy umbra]

:) yay

[rapid pagoda]

It's pretty good for long distance.

[hardy umbra]

I had people telling me its awful

[rapid pagoda]

It's really not.

[hardy umbra]

I was really confused because it worked really well for me

[rapid pagoda]

It's good if you have a baron at range that you need to do high damage to.

[astral hamlet]

pb rocket is apparently more dps
but why would I use pb rocket when I can just lock on burst

[rapid pagoda]

It is.

[astral hamlet]

because I think the rocket animation bring up is quicker, not to mention rockets deal 900 total damage (with a lot of splash damage) compared to ballista's 860
but who cares honestly

[rapid pagoda]

Also, is this arena the only one that's like this in Eternal?
I'm curious because you mentioned something about this arena being different from the others.

[astral hamlet]

I'm not good enough to see a difference

[astral hamlet]

for me other than the couple awful arenas in the TN master level, it's the hardest in the game
but yeah, some arenas have weird spawn triggers

if you kill specific enemies, then the next wave spawns
as opposed to killing the whole wave, then the next wave spawns

[rapid pagoda]

I quit Taras Nabad after the 3 corridor arena.

I'll come back to it, but Taras Nabad is a whole different game...

[astral hamlet]

the coin room is complete a$$

[steep fox]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-chat-chat-gif-11854988458409488653

[visual nebula]

doom my favourite story game

[rapid pagoda]

What's the coin room?

[astral hamlet]

the one where doomguy gets the red coin thingy and absorbs it into the crucible handle

[rapid pagoda]

That becomes an arena? 💀

What's in the arena?

[astral hamlet]

carcass spam

[rapid pagoda]

That isn't so bad!

[astral hamlet]

just so many heavies in such a small space

[rapid pagoda]

Carcasses are easy.

[rapid pagoda]

There are other demons too?

Other then carcasses?

[limpid shell]

i hate the carcass

fat fuck

[astral hamlet]

oh and doom hunters and prowlers and barons lol

and shield soldiers and cyber mancs

[rapid pagoda]

Freeze grenade I imagine is your best friend.

When the space is so small.

[astral hamlet]

and an unreachable buff totem 😆

[rapid pagoda]

What the hell...

Why are the master levels so-

Awful???

[rapid pagoda]

Are the demons all buffed until you kill them and then you reach the buff totem?

[steep fox]

If you have the chance chainsaw that fuck

[limpid shell]

thank you sans undertale

[astral hamlet]

iirc once you kill the doom hunters and barons, the cyber mancs, prowlers, and hell knights spawn in along with the buff totem outside the room

the buffed shield solders are honestly the worst part of that room

[rapid pagoda]

Why?

[astral hamlet]

just raw damage
even non-buffed they just destroy your stack
but buffed they can literally 2-shot you from full health--it's absurd

but obviously buffed prowlers are dicks

[rapid pagoda]

That's honestly fair.

[rapid pagoda]

Well, I'm going to head off, going to try and beat the level.
See you Katsu! Thanks for the help with the arena, I appreciate it!
See you guys all later!

Bye everyone! Take care!

[astral hamlet]

see ya
best of luck

[rapid pagoda]

Thanks! See you!

[gritty mica]

Cuz I think they were rushed

[rapid pagoda]

I could see that, definitely.
I'll get back to you on the level when it's done.
See you!

[tired kraken]

hell nah i still have ptsd from that part

[gritty mica]

Alr, gn, and good luck

[astral hamlet]

not awful as in quality
awful as in insanely difficult

the quality is top notch (except for SGN on release apparently)

[tired kraken]

chaingun energy shield is your best friend in rooms like that honestly

[gritty mica]

So basically modern day Plutonia?

[astral hamlet]

I wish they had just put the buffed stuff at the beginning
it was lowk kinda exhausting to make my way through the whole thing only to die at the veeery end to the fuckass shield soldiers

[astral hamlet]

idk man plutonia's got nothing on the TN and world spear master levels

but yeah essentially

[gritty mica]

Now I'm scared to even go into eternal

[astral hamlet]

eternal's fun
the initial difficulty spike just comes from having so many buttons to press

but once you get a sense of all the tools you have at your disposal it becomes more natural

[steep fox]

Who Remebers shitting you're pants the first time a hellknight spawned in exultia?

[astral hamlet]

I didn't really lol
because doom 2016 hell knights were waaay scarier

but when that first hell knight jump scared me in foundry I nearly had a heart attack

[steep fox]

Doom 3 hellknights forgot about em

[scenic axle]

There’s still a decent bit after the coin room though, right?

[astral hamlet]

double archviles

but the coin room and the double archvile room are by far the worst ones in that level

by the beginning I was referring to "the beginning of the checkpoint"
like they put the buffed stuff at the very last wave in the room

I'm not good enough to actually try the taras nabad master level on UN lol

[steep fox]

Doom 3 hellknights are a fucking abomination

[scenic axle]

Oh yeah that’s fair

Getting through the whole wave and dying at the very end sucks

[humble marlin]

Hi chat

[steep fox]

hi

[pearl pollen]

does it have any usage whatsoever

like any situation where using it would be better than something else

[hardy umbra]

not... really...

its using more bullets for less

[pearl pollen]

cuz im thinking even the more worthless mods have SOME use

full auto you can use as a finisher for shotgun ammo

[hardy umbra]

microwave beam is great, autoshotgun is actually kinda peack imo

[pearl pollen]

micro missiles aren’t actually that bad

[hardy umbra]

peak *

[pearl pollen]

exactly bro

[hardy umbra]

micro missles are sick against bosses.

it melts TF out of khan makyr

[pearl pollen]

remote detonate is good with cc

[pearl pollen]

oh absolutely

but the mobile turret is down their with the unmayker

[hardy umbra]

under

the unmakyr has more utility

[pearl pollen]

yeah thats true

[hardy umbra]

yeh

[pearl pollen]

like i just can’t think of a use for it

besides looking cool

[astral hamlet]

unfortunately no
hence why I have a mod for it

energy shield + dash smash just does more damage and gives you free falters anyway, while just granting near-invincibility

[warm heath]

alr guys I'm back

[astral hamlet]

and even without energy shield, mobile turret deals like 44% extra damage over base chaingun but also consumes ammo 20% faster, so it's barely an upgrade

[warm heath]

chaingun + BP + dash is op

I have a new way to crap on pinkies

chaingun shield + dash 3 times

[astral hamlet]

probably the only anti-fun weapon mod in DE
it honestly feels like I'm cheating when I use it and not in a good way

[warm heath]

shield you don't use alot tho

only some situations

[astral hamlet]

I don't use it at all anymore tbh unless I'm really scrambling

my skill definitely took a huge jump up once I stopped using it

[warm heath]

lmao tru

[humble marlin]

how 2 get gud on controller ? @austere bronze

oh and i only have 137 hrs

[loud fog]

mind powers…

[scenic axle]

It’s a huge crutch when you rely on it, making yourself not use it is a great way to get better

[steep fox]

Sorry you did great on you're nightmare super gore nest master level run

[warm heath]

? thank you

[limpid shell]

finally beat the icon of sin

i can move on to beat og doom and doom 2 in doom eternal

[warm heath]

nice

[rapid pagoda]

@warm heath @austere bronze @astral hamlet

@kind basin @gritty mica

[warm heath]

hello

[rapid pagoda]

I DID IT!!!! 🔥

I'M DOOONE!!! NO MORE ARENA!!!

I FINALLY DID IT AFTER SO LONG!!! 😭

I'm actually tearing up.

That took so long. 😭

[warm heath]

let's goo

[rapid pagoda]

Thank you guys, for believing I could do it. 😭

I wanted to give up so many times.

[warm heath]

ur done with the master level?

[rapid pagoda]

Nope, just that arena.

[warm heath]

oh

[gritty mica]

You're welcome, congratulations

[warm heath]

nice stuff

[rapid pagoda]

But that was honestly the hardest thing I've ever had to do in Eternal so far.

Definitely. :)

I can't believe it's over. 💀

I'm still waiting for the next wave in the arena. 💀

[warm heath]

how long did this one take you?

[rapid pagoda]

Including the break where I wasn't playing.

A week probably.

Maybe longer.

[warm heath]

no break

[humble marlin]

GG! @rapid pagoda

[warm heath]

how many attempts and how long did it take you?

[rapid pagoda]

Discluding the break, probably around like, 3 days to do this.

[warm heath]

gali

[rapid pagoda]

Maybe 4-5.

[rapid pagoda]

Thank you!!!

[warm heath]

probably the longest I've seen someone beat an arena or a lvl

[rapid pagoda]

😭 Does this make me a bad player?

I'm starting to question my skill level. 💀

[warm heath]

ah nah

[rapid pagoda]

If it took so long to get this done.

[rapid pagoda]

Thanks. :)

[warm heath]

most probably can't even get past that arena

or even get to that arena

[rapid pagoda]

Damn- You really think so? 💀

[warm heath]

definitely

[rapid pagoda]

I am dedicated. 💀

The Eternal brainrot has actually infested my brain. 😭

[warm heath]

need more eternal

[rapid pagoda]

Dying is temporary, DOOM is Eternal. 😭

I went back and rewatched the clip I've sent.
This arena has made me a better player in so many ways. 💀

😭

Alright, I'll let you guys know once it's been beat.

Going to go crush it now.

Wish me luck!

[warm heath]

good luck cyaa

[rapid pagoda]

See you! I'll let you know once it's done!

[warm heath]

I should also do that

I'll record the master level

and review the clips

[rapid pagoda]

You definitely should.
I think this arena has honestly helped me in so many ways.

Good luck on the level when you try it!

I'll be back once it's done.

[warm heath]

been using more things in combat so I'm confident

[warm heath]

yes thank you

[limpid shell]

trying horde mode for the first time

[warm heath]

ooh nice, good luck on that

its somewhat fun I guess?

[scenic axle]

Which one?

[sullen owl]

currently playing taras nabad ml and holy shit

it's long

I could tell this is wayyy harder than sgn ml

[worthy slate]

you're in for suffering and torment

[mystic dove]

sounds threatening what did I miss?

by the way, hello to everyone

[austere bronze]

that's gaming

[mystic dove]

Thanks, I thought they were threatening each other.

I just came in

[austere bronze]

i don't really have any specific tip for controller except to bind some weapons

otherwise it's just your usual stuff, meathook a lot, dash, use all your equipment, chainsaw often, learn some quick swapping, etc

[austere bronze]

pb+ballista isn't awful, but it's somewhat niche

dps isn't particularly good at about 1200, which is pretty significantly less than mobile turret

you'd only really use it on PEs/cacos, if you're low on ammo or really long range

while the rocket deals similar damage, pb applies fse (fast swap effect) to it, making the combo much faster

[rapid pagoda]

I BEAT THE LEVEL!!!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1396388912192159744/MarsCoreMasterLevelCompleteNightmare.jpg?ex=687de804&is=687c9684&hm=831f6fd650f9caecf57b0c43468e146a7ddfac8120c5e227c69c002b127d9d9f&

I DID IT!!! 🥳

@warm heath @gritty mica

IT'S DONE!!!

@kind basin

I definitely needed the break.

[gritty mica]

What other levels do you need to do?

[rapid pagoda]

1 Left.

In the base campaign.

Taras Nabad.

[gritty mica]

Well we wish you good luck, imma start on my heretic and hexen lore document in a bit

[rapid pagoda]

I'm probably gonna take a breather after beating Mars Core.

That was so intense.

I actually can't believe I got it done though.

[gritty mica]

Practice in between just incase, at least twice a week

[rapid pagoda]

I've gotten better.

Much better.

[gritty mica]

You have, and I think you're gonna deserve the reward ahead

[warm heath]

ayy let's gooo nice one

[rapid pagoda]

What's the reward?

[rapid pagoda]

I'm so happy.

[gritty mica]

I think a classic green skin if I remember

[rapid pagoda]

I already got that.

From Super Gore Nest.

[gritty mica]

Oh, mb, then I'll look it up rq

[rapid pagoda]

You also get it from classic mode.

On any difficulty on that level.

[gritty mica]

Nice, I'll have to try it out once eternal finishes downloading tomorrow

[rapid pagoda]

I was only playing Nightmare.

[gritty mica]

At least that beats having to do the lower difficulties right?

[rapid pagoda]

Definitely.

I'm proud I was able to get it done though.

[gritty mica]

Unfortunately that's not the case for doom 3, so I'll have to do the regular campaign 3 more times, then the roe campaign one more time

[rapid pagoda]

Oh damn, it doesn't give you the rewards for previous difficulties if you play on the hardest?

[gritty mica]

Idk, but I have 12 more achievements left for the game

[sullen owl]

I'm guessing there's gonna be a lot more "haha fuck you" arenas in this level compared to sgn

[rapid pagoda]

Oh wow, you're trying to 100% fully.

[gritty mica]

Yeah

[rapid pagoda]

I really have gotten better.

I played through all of Urdak and had no trouble with the encounters, died only twice.

[warm heath]

ooo same w me, thats nice

[rapid pagoda]

The master levels taught me so much. 😭

As much as I hate them.

[pearl pollen]

taras nabad ml was made in hell

[rapid pagoda]

Did you see that I did it? :)

[pearl pollen]

yeah

[rapid pagoda]

I beat Mars Core on nightmare finally.

[pearl pollen]

nice

[rapid pagoda]

[pearl pollen]

honestly after that one arena you were stuck on, the rest of the mara core ml is really fun

[rapid pagoda]

It really was.

Honestly.
It felt so easy though in comparison. 😭

It was nothing compared to that, at all.

[pearl pollen]

yeah

[tired kraken]

yeah

the only gripe i have with it is the last arena dragging on for a little too long

[pearl pollen]

yeah but that was really fun ngl

but it was a little obnoxious

[sullen owl]

Lmao, so I made it pass the 2 doom hunter, 3 baron, 1 tyrant, tons of heavies in a small ass room in Taras nabad ml, and I died to a shield zombie in the end

[pearl pollen]

[sullen owl]

Idunno wat da hell I'm looking at

It's so chaotic

Aight I made it

I feel bad for leaving behind bfg ammo

Haven't used one yet

[rapid pagoda]

I think it was a perfect send off.

It was long, but I think it was meant to be as like "final stand."

[sullen owl]

Holy fuck

Back to back marauders

And double marauders

LESGO FIRST TRY

Okay, what the actual fuck is the room after that

[sullen owl]

Oh hell yeah I made it

[warm heath]

is it just me or samur maykr wasnt too hard, but idk I just played on uv lol

[last osprey]

Samur is kinda tricky for me playing on nightmare

[warm heath]

I mean he was aight in uv, never rlly had a close call dying

[last osprey]

I did twice

It’s just cuz of those eyeballs

[warm heath]

lol

blood maykr is just helpful for me so i dont have to chainsaw

[last osprey]

This is why i aint trying tag 1 un yet

[warm heath]

i just use chainsaw as breather

[last osprey]

Same

[warm heath]

them slowing me down tho

the only bad thing

[last osprey]

Whenever im below 50 and miss my headshot i know im fucked

[warm heath]

real

the only thing i disliked in the holt was the room where u have to activate stuff and kill waves of demons before going up

or wtv the one where the wall damages you

[sullen owl]

OMFG I DID IT

THAT LEVEL WAS BRUTAL

LIKE BRUTAL BRUTAL BRUTAL

there's no way I'm beating this in UN

[warm heath]

taras ml?

[sullen owl]

yeah

[warm heath]

nice one

[sullen owl]

nightmare

the 2 archville room is not fair

and the coin room

everything else is fine. but I particularly love the final segment of the level

i legit did not know what I was doing in the small ass arenas, I was just spamming pb ssg and shield mod

[warm heath]

hate small arenas

[sullen owl]

same

those are the worst

[warm heath]

easier to die

[sullen owl]

i have to exhaust all of my super weapons in the archville room. There's just no way I'm dealing with that with normal weapons

[warm heath]

is mars core ml free?

[sullen owl]

i thought all of em are free

except for the dlc ones

[warm heath]

archvile room sounds menacing

[warm heath]

thought chu gotta buy cultist base ml in a pack or smth

[sullen owl]

there's 2 archvilles that's protected by a barrier. and you have to kill 2 tyrants to destroy the barrier

you have to do all of that in a small ass room + with the buffed summons from archvilles

[warm heath]

while buffed and archviles spawning demons

tough

[sullen owl]

imagine doing this without super weapons

[warm heath]

pro gamer moves

[sullen owl]

u gotta pull out some crazy ass complicated combos to deal with em

[last osprey]

Should i too

Idk I haven’t played eternal in a while

[storm timber]

WORST DOOM GAME

[austere bronze]

you might not wanna start with the taras nabad ML then xD

[last osprey]

K

Ill just do arc complex then ig

Arc complex ml

[polar osprey]

yeah ik eternal sucks

[balmy lantern]

Skill issue

[pearl pollen]

fuck that

[limpid shell]

i'm thinking of torturing myself and starting an uv run

[quiet adder]

I think this game is THE best game ever.

[warm heath]

lmao experience torture

[limpid shell]

i think i'd say this about a couple other games before eternal but it's up there

[quiet adder]

What is your favoriteDOOM game.

[limpid shell]

my fav doom is like

doom 1 cuz im basic

i also havent played most of the franchise tho so this could change

[quiet adder]

Cool what is the best gun out of all the games.

[limpid shell]

"most of the franchise" i mean doom 3 and 64

[quiet adder]

I haven’t played those.

[limpid shell]

quake's nailgun

[quiet adder]

By the way what does the # on the channel names are?

[limpid shell]

that's just a discord thing

[quiet adder]

Oh do you like battle mode.

[limpid shell]

i think i meant nightmare, i get them confused

[limpid shell]

havent played it

[quiet adder]

Do you want to try because I really liked it.

[limpid shell]

i might

would let me show off the best skin in the game, hotdogcubus

[quiet adder]

Okay and if you leave like it join spicy demons.

[limpid shell]

ok

[pearl pollen]

real

[quiet adder]

Noice we got a eternal man.

[austere bronze]

i probably wouldn't say so, but it's my fave for sure

[quiet adder]

If any one wants to play battle mode though I am DASPARTAN.

[limpid shell]

forgot i paused it in horde mode last night

[warm heath]

you could exit out yknow

[limpid shell]

im almost done

didnt wanna restart

[rough bramble]

A man of culture, I see

[warm heath]

you don't restart you just gotta redo some waves

[sullen owl]

Replaying tag1 again

And damn, that possessed baron was gnarly

[limpid shell]

i need to get tag1 and 2

[warm heath]

hate how slow microwave beam is

[humble marlin]

trying to beat SGN ml on extra lifes

hopefully it gives you a good bit of them

[pearl pollen]

gl

[humble marlin]

need to get that gold shotgun to complete the set

[sullen owl]

True

That enemy was fcking fast. Faster than fast I'd reckon

[sullen owl]

There's plenty of lives iirc

The only hard part about the level is the double marauder segment

But you can just bfg one of them and call it a day

[austere bronze]

i definitely wouldn't say only hard part, but potentially the hardest

[sullen owl]

You still have a lot of bfg ammo in the final fight if you played ur cards right

[sullen owl]

It's the most inconsistent fight for me ig

The marauder fights in Taras nabad ml is significantly easier than sgn ml ngl

It's cuz of that damned acid lake bs

[warm heath]

also hated it

died like around the same amount of times as the last arena

[humble marlin]

yeah the double marauder and the last area were the worst for me on my first playthrough

[limpid shell]

i finally got all the secrets

[pearl pollen]

hell

[kind basin]

Alr well do you wanna race later?

[rapid pagoda]

Later for sure. :)

I'm going to head to bed for now.

[kind basin]

I'm going to be travelling by then but I'll just play on nintendo handheld

[rapid pagoda]

I also wanna play Dark Ages some more.

While I play Eternal.

[kind basin]

Ye you go sleep for now

[rapid pagoda]

Mhm! Night Samir!

[quiet adder]

Is the toxic water in Taras Nabad pee?

[pastel flower]

Hi everyone 🤗

[austere void]

Hello 🙂

[tired kraken]

why’d u have to ruin it for me

now i can’t replay that level without thinking that i’m swimming in sentinel piss

[steep fox]

[quiet adder]

Mua ha ha.

[warm heath]

what if demons just piss in there when they need to

[quiet adder]

Where does the doom slayer do his business.

[warm heath]

prob in like the fortress of doom

[quiet adder]

Maybe the suit turns the number one into health.

[warm heath]

what if in final sin, he actually goes to the bathroom for a piss break

[quiet adder]

Maybe.

[warm heath]

after being in hell and urdak lmfao

[quiet adder]

What if he saves it to do it on Kan makyr.

Man I feel sorry for the monsters because they probably pee from their buts.

[tired kraken]

do they have bathrooms in argent d’nur

[quiet adder]

Of course.

They did it like the Romans.

[limpid shell]

doomguy had transcended the need to piss

[tired kraken]

imagine if eternal had a piss meter and when it gets full it lets you unleash a piss beam that acts like a full auto ballista damage wise

[limpid shell]

just like postal

[quiet adder]

Bro that would be sick.

[tired kraken]

i can already visualize it

it'll have the same sound effect as the icon of sin's beam

[quiet adder]

But you can also hear a heavy duty zipper.

[tired kraken]

exactly

[tired kraken]

that reminds me

there are no restrooms in the fortress of doom

maybe he just does his business in the outside areas in space

[quiet adder]

Exactly.

That makes sense.

Also why are we talking about pee and doom guy.

[tired kraken]

because someone mentioned that the green water we swim in during taras nabad is actually piss since it's technically a drainage system

[limpid shell]

him

he did

[storm timber]

DOOM 3 AND DANK AGES

[limpid shell]

WHY DO YOU ALWAYS TYPE IN ALL CAPS

[austere bronze]

because his opinion is reallyy important

[storm timber]

WHEN IS NEXT DOOM GAME

[scenic axle]

Years

[limpid shell]

give it like 5 years

[quiet adder]

It will be worth the wait. 10/10.

[quiet adder]

What do you think the name of the next doom game will be my guess is DOOM awakens.

[sweet pendant]

Prob next century

[polar osprey]

first message i saw when i clicked on this server

[tired kraken]

[peak flower]

I just joined this server and saw your reaction. Yeah, idk how I feel about this place now after reading what you replied to.

[tired kraken]

blame the guy who brought up sewer water in taras nabad

[austere bronze]

don't make the moldy apple make you hate apples
but the server is pretty brainrotty, i'm just a prisoner

[polar osprey]

the slayer swam in shit and didnt get pinkeye

[peak flower]

Yeah, I’m going back into hiding again.

[polar osprey]

no come back im sorry

[peak flower]

Dw I was only partially joking.

[tired kraken]

he’s the slayer

he’s probably swam in much worse

honestly

[rough bramble]

Doom Fast Doom Furious

Doom: Argent dnur Drift

[tired kraken]

doom eternal 2

now that would be the greatest game of all time

[rough bramble]

Doom Slayer Begins
Doom Slayer Rises

[tired kraken]

chat what if there was a skin for the slayer that replaced the doom blade with a chainsaw

like what the doom hunter had going on

that would look so sick

can’t lie

[rough bramble]

And then change his armor color blue, and make him yell "FOR THE EMPEROR" or something

[storm eagle]

I love Eternal sm

[fervent spindle]

Yes

[tired kraken]

yes

[tired kraken]

real

[storm eagle]

sup dude!

[rough bramble]

I need to play Boltgun

[tired kraken]

nothing much

3:30 am and still awake

[storm eagle]

Hope you get some good sleep tonight fr

[pseudo kindle]

hey

im learning tech right now and I think I'm being skill issued and need some help

does anyone understand how sticky bomb punch-swaps work? I'm on controller, trying to do them and they're just not coming out like I see em right

[storm eagle]

I'd help if I weren't leaving for work rn. But @austere bronze can help ya

[pseudo kindle]

ah oki

[austere bronze]

there's 2 steps to it

[pseudo kindle]

I know it's just hold mod, fire, punch and fire again

but when I punch the punch comes out really delayed

[austere bronze]

first you wanna apply FSE (fast swap effect) to the combat shotgun (to make the punch swaps fast), which is most commonly done with a pb
then for the stickies in particular, you don't need to press your weapon bind
so, pb->combat shotgun(hold m2 during the swap)->shoot->punch, repeat

[pseudo kindle]

ahh makes more sense

they dont typically explain that

[austere bronze]

you have to actibate FSE in some way for sticky bomb and rocket punch swaps, but not for the rest

[pseudo kindle]

they just say "oh yeah it's just hold mod fire punch then keep repeating that"

not to apply FSE

makes more sense I'll try that with rockets too

[austere bronze]

rockets are quite tricky to punch swap

there you need to do it at the same speed as stickies, but pressing your rocket bind after each punch

[pseudo kindle]

do you need to bind your weapons to buttons or is it doable with weapon wheel or last weapon switch? because I just managed to do FSE with a weapon wheel switch to CS

cuz if so I think I might unbind my CS

just do it with weapon wheel

and bind DPAD Left to rocket launcher

for the punch swaps

[austere bronze]

you need to have your rocket bound to punch swap it

[pseudo kindle]

alright

but it seems like weapon wheel stickies is doable

[austere bronze]

yeah, it's the only weapon you can punch swap without a dedicated bind

[pseudo kindle]

alright

thank you for helping me understand, I just punch swapped 5 stickies together

definitely starting to understand what's happening

[austere bronze]

awesome!

[pseudo kindle]

it's a really tight window but I think in the actual rhythm of combat I wont have much issues adapting

[austere bronze]

just something worth mentioning, you can't punch swap more than 5 stickies in a row because they need to reload

even though i knew that, it took me a while to figure out😭

[pseudo kindle]

oh yeah of course

I've gotten good enough to be able to like count in my head the stickies I used up automatically so it should be okay

[austere bronze]

if you used some stickies but not all at some point, they will still slowly regenerate automatically

so if you punched 3 and swap away, when you go back it's pretty hard to know how many you can use

[pseudo kindle]

ough yeah I can see how that can be an issue

I run no hud no crosshair and I know stickies have not many sound cues

just the one that reloads which only plays when you have it equipped anyway and can see it and that little click for one being reloaded

[austere bronze]

yeah

often you'll not do super long chains of them though, so it's pretty alright

i think you develop a kinda feel for it too eventually

[pseudo kindle]

is PB rocket such a famous combo because of FSE? I've been realizing how much faster my combos are when it's PB rocket instead of like rocket ballista

[austere bronze]

yes!

[pseudo kindle]

like I can swap a little bit faster than usual with PB Rocket

[astral hamlet]

Is punch swapping stickies really that useful compared to just doing them one after another

[austere bronze]

not many know about FSE, but it's still why pb+rocket is so famous lol

[astral hamlet]

Like the DPS increase has to be so minimal

[pseudo kindle]

it's a marginal increase in speed but it feels great to pull off and is pretty easy

[rough bramble]

https://youtu.be/ia267LN3wOU?si=RcX4yHQuZfKPnJAf

@katsu I'll let you be the judge lol

Sorry wrong tag lol

@astral hamlet

[austere bronze]

punch stickies seem to be almost exactly 20% quicker at expending all 5 stickies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOF1dsOpr2s

[pseudo kindle]

yeah

[austere bronze]

started the timer as soon as you could see the first sticky effect, and ended it as soon as you could see the last stickie's effect

[astral hamlet]

Ok so like 20% faster

[pseudo kindle]

it doesn't seem necessary to learn, I've done all the official content on UN without it... but it's nice to be able to do it

[rough bramble]

Tbf most techs are

[pseudo kindle]

yeah

[astral hamlet]

Yeah I’m not really at the point where I’m even considering ultra nightmare tbh

[austere bronze]

sticky punch swaps isn't a lot faster than doing them normally, and rocket punch swaps isn't a lot more dps than pb+rocket

[pseudo kindle]

I don't even think eternal is much of a quickswapping game so yk the bar for success is low (in relativity to what everyone's been doing)

[austere bronze]

but you do get more splash

but you also use up more rockets for you damage

[astral hamlet]

I mean I beat the campaign on nightmare without really even doing the ssg ballista combo all that well

[austere bronze]

yeah quick swaps aren't necessary, but they do make the game easier

beat my nightmare playthrough with only the weapon wheel

[astral hamlet]

Yeah tag1 would have been so painful without swaps

Because automatic weapons in this game are just super underwhelming dps wise

[austere bronze]

and when you start getting to stuff like punch swaps, the amount of effort you have to put in to learning them to compared to how much better they make you increase

which is why it's better for a lot of players to focus on other stuff, because the work to reward ratio is better

but all tech is really fun

[pseudo kindle]

yeah

[astral hamlet]

Meathook jumping was an absolute game changer

For me at least

[pseudo kindle]

im only getting into tech now because I've hit such a high level that playing with quickswaps kinda makes me bored now

trying squeeze as much as I can outta the game's tech lol

[austere bronze]

and when you reach a very high level, i think even stuff like fast destroyer blade is worth learning because getting better at the game has become so much harder, so even a small improvement is nice

[astral hamlet]

Even though I’m not that great at it, just giving me some extra hang time is so useful

[pseudo kindle]

I think the one piece of movement tech that I'm very happy id brought into eternal is ballista boosting

it's by far one of the most convenient ways to move around and was a gamechanger in 2016

it's something I wish TDA brought with it but I get that TDA isn't that kind of game

[rough bramble]

TDA = Tank Slayer
Ballista boost + Tank = A-Team drone scene

[pseudo kindle]

I'm still holding out hope that like the DLC or something gives us a reaver weapon that kicks like a spooked horse

it would be really funny

[rough bramble]

[austere bronze]

you'll be pleased with the amount of tech in this game lol

[austere bronze]

it absolutely is

and at a more advanced level, you can do multiple meathooks without even touching the ground

[pseudo kindle]

B-52 carpet bomber

[rough bramble]

Better yet, AC-130

[pseudo kindle]

I would love that so much

[pseudo kindle]

I'm familiar with some of it, very happy that it can all be done on controller

[odd valve]

yall i have a problem im trying to do pb combos like pb rocket or pb ballista but the problem is that i try my best to do it as fast as i can but sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. How do i like make it so i can do it whenever i want instead of it working 50% of the times

[austere bronze]

start out slow

[odd valve]

also i have trouble moving while trying to quick swap but i just do a meathook jump

[odd valve]

wdym?

[austere bronze]

and different combos have different rhythms to them

[odd valve]

like what should i do

[austere bronze]

don't try to go fast immediately

start slowly and work your way up in speed

[rough bramble]

Practice doing pb shots without completely zooming in

Like you see the scope but not through it

[odd valve]

i never zoom in and i still cant do em

[austere bronze]

however, for pb+rocket, doing it slowly won't allow you to transfer FSE to the rocket launcher, which will make the combo much slower

[odd valve]

hold up lemme showcase it ill upload a vid in a sec

oh wait i cant

i guess this channel doesnt support vids

ill jst send it in dms

[rough bramble]

Try synching your input with the sound. Mastered PB should sound P-PEW or some shit lmao

[rough bramble]

Yt links

[austere bronze]

you can send in #videos too

[rough bramble]

Then hit RL bind on the -PEW part

[odd valve]

alr ill send it in videos then

[odd valve]

sorry if i sound stupid but what does RL stand for?

[rough bramble]

Rocket launcher

[odd valve]

oh alr

[rough bramble]

Then you need to find the sweet spot to shoot the RL while it's on bringing up animation.

Not when it's completely brought up

[odd valve]

alr

ill try it in a sec

alr so did u watch the vid?

[rough bramble]

Finally when you shoot the RL, hit Heavy cannon bind on the frame where the muzzle flash starts,

[rough bramble]

On it

[odd valve]

ok

[rough bramble]

Yea saw it.
You gotta hit HC on the start of the muzzle flash

[austere bronze]

if you want, when learning the pb+rocket combo, switch to remote det so you can hold down m2

then you can go back to lock-on burst and press m2 each time you swap into the heavy cannon

[odd valve]

whats HC?

[rough bramble]

Heavy cannon

[odd valve]

oh

[rough bramble]

Yeah, sorry we're used to acronyms here lol

[odd valve]

yeah im kinda new to this stuff haha

alr on my way to try again

[rough bramble]

Good slaying

[odd valve]

btw im also trying to do pb + ballista and tbh its same problem with pb + RL but ill try to find that spot where i can quickly switch back

[odd valve]

thanks

[rough bramble]

Pb+ballista is slower. You'll find the timing eventually lol

[odd valve]

yeah

also i think if im right its harder to time it

[rough bramble]

Not necessarily

[austere bronze]

pb+ballista is easier to do than fast pb+rocket

[rough bramble]

It feels harder coz you're not used to the feel of multiple combos tet

[odd valve]

alr so i guess all thats left tbh

is to practice that timing to do pb + RL and ill be able to ablitirate demons in half a second

[rough bramble]

It's a start. But yes, dealing with heavies will be easier once you get used to kt

[odd valve]

yo wait after u told me the timing for some reason now i literally can do it whenever i want all of a sudden

no stutters

[rough bramble]

Hell yeah

[odd valve]

no way

this shit rocks

[rough bramble]

Now go massacre those mancs

[odd valve]

hell yeah

imma go kick some demon ass

[rough bramble]

(sniff) they grow up so fast...

[pseudo kindle]

yeah I can see how RL punch swaps are hard

you need the kind of rhythm only JK Simmons could scream and slap into you

not my FUCKING TEMPO

[rough bramble]

Accurate

O great now I can't unsee JK Simmons as a Whiplash

[formal glen]

can somebody explain punch swaps in general

[austere bronze]

you mean why they work or how to do them?

[formal glen]

is there anything specific I need to do

[formal glen]

how to do them

[rough bramble]

Switching to your fists is faster than reloading

[austere bronze]

shoot->punch->press weapon bind, repeat
for rocket/sticky punch swaps you have to activate FSE (fast swap effect) beforehand to do them (technically not for rockets, but without it's slow), which is most commonly done via pb, so you go pb->rocket->punch->rocket bind
and for stickies in particular you don't need to press your weapon bind

[formal glen]

yea, but I dont feel any difference

[austere bronze]

it's a pretty "simple" tech, but the timing can be hard, especially for rockets

[formal glen]

I dont think ill ever get into this fancy tech tbh

[rough bramble]

You can start with ssg and ballista. They're pretty straightforward

[austere bronze]

that's completely fair, everyone has their own playstyle, do what you wanna do

[rough bramble]

Hold shoot>punch>weapon bind

[austere bronze]

but i will say i think it's pretty fun once you get the hang of it

[formal glen]

my main issues are that I never know when to test them and why I try and it doesnt work I feel dumb

[austere bronze]

from a strict utilitarian perspective, you probably shouldn't really get into punch swaps before you're somewhat familiar with the game, but that's just if you wanna reallyy optimize your skill level

i learnt them very early, but didn't learn any other tech until about 800 hours lol

[rough bramble]

Makes you feel any better, most of the tech i can do, I can't when I'm actually fighting lmao

[formal glen]

hmm ok fair enough its actually pretty easy

[formal glen]

thats my main issue

When theres a marauder I know how to one cycle him now but I just cant

[rough bramble]

Well my current method is when I'm repeating an arena fight over and over so I can remember the spawn pattern, I apply the tech I'm trying to practice on a certain demon

I'd say it kinda works

[formal glen]

I currently have about 70 hours so I guess thats fair

[rough bramble]

Ah I guess it is a little too early for you to be concerned about techs lol

[formal glen]

but theyre cool!

although some of it feels pretty uneccesary tbh

[rough bramble]

You're not wrong lmao

[formal glen]

ok wtf

[rough bramble]

Yea it's mostly just Flare ™

[formal glen]

I PB'd a soldier right into his face and he just didnt take any damage 🤯

[astral hamlet]

It be like that sometimes

[formal glen]

oh wow I just slob'd a marauder im so proud of myself

[rough bramble]

Im glad the slob still works on him lmao

[austere bronze]

yeah some obscure stuff like ghost beam and active crucible is useless, but most of what is talked about is useful to some degree i'd say

or ghost beam isn't really useless, but the setup involves the menu which i hate

it would actually allow you to kill spirits while moving normally

wait yeah if i could just get really fast with the setup, that could actually be very nice for some spirit kills

[formal glen]

could be handy since im playing TAG right now for the extra life achievement..

[formal glen]

same, although hes a fraud regardless

[austere bronze]

all you gotta do is have heat blast out and use the dossier to switch to microwave beam, then this happens
https://youtu.be/SpmqUoJKT88?si=GZbqbR7_ZHxu8GU2

the beam is invisible, you can shoot it at nothing, it won't track demons, and you can move normally
other than that though, completely normal!

[topaz yarrow]

Who’s the bigger fraud. Spirit possessed pinky, or spirit possessed Marauder (reactions are votes 😈=pinky, 🤑=marauder)

[formal glen]

ohh but do I need to manually aim it at the spirit too?

[austere bronze]

yes

[formal glen]

ohhh

thank you regardless

wow I truly wonder what support rune im gonna take in the extra life mode

ok nvm

of course its disabled 😭

[astral hamlet]

You already know it’s the marauder
Spirit possessed pinky is chaingun shield bully material

[sullen owl]

How bout possessed baron

[astral hamlet]

Possessed marauders are somehow even more erratic than normal marauders

[astral hamlet]

Not a fraud, just scary lol

[sullen owl]

True

Big ass enemy but fast as fuck

[astral hamlet]

Like he’s almost as fast as you are with dashes
Which is nuts

[sullen owl]

Yeah

Possessed demons take less dmg from ballista, right?

[astral hamlet]

Possessed demons take less damage from everything
But they take comparatively less damage from ballista and ssg

[sullen owl]

[astral hamlet]

I mean I was gonna spam triple rockets on them anyway
But now you’ve just made up my mind even more

[sullen owl]

Goated mod

Imma try out remote detonation

I heard it has great crowd control

[pseudo kindle]

you can chaingun shield dash into pinkies and it instakills them

saves you a blood punch or a remote det to the butt

[astral hamlet]

Yep yep

[pseudo kindle]

I dont know why it happens. stone imps used to have the same thing happen

I think stone imps had the same resistance coded in

and then they patched it and id forgot to patch the pinkies too

[formal glen]

why didnt I know this before

[astral hamlet]

Dash smash does like 200 damage
But I don’t know why it penetrates through the pinkies’ armor

[pseudo kindle]

yeah

it's even weirder because it's not just armor penetration, stone imps used to get murdered by the chaingun shield

[astral hamlet]

I guess they just forgot to add damage reduction

[sullen owl]

Oh shit, really??

Damnn that could have saved so much headache

[pseudo kindle]

yep only takes two, if you dash into a charging pinky it's one dash

[sullen owl]

Goofy ass demon

[pseudo kindle]

I'm telling ya the chaingun shield is one of the most versatile mods in the game

it negates damage if you fall into pits

[austere bronze]

so true
https://youtu.be/rB4Vae1gSKM?si=KrG-jfUtOAPFEY7e

[astral hamlet]

Only time I whip out the shield is to bully pinkies
Too fun to pass up

[pseudo kindle]

whenever I fuck up and fall into a pit I just whip the shield out and it's like nothing happened

[astral hamlet]

Actually also when platforming

[astral hamlet]

Such a weird oversight

[pseudo kindle]

dont forget it gives you full area protection so good it might as well give you an all-white filter over your screen too

[astral hamlet]

Does shield launch just go forwards or does it go to all sides?

[pseudo kindle]

just forward

if it were all sides that'd be stupid

[astral hamlet]

Ok good

[sullen owl]

Whats the hardest ml level currently?

[austere bronze]

world spear

[sullen owl]

Prolly one of the dlc ones, right?

[pseudo kindle]

world spear

[rough bramble]

WS

[pseudo kindle]

WS is hard af lmao

[sullen owl]

What's the hardest encounter there

[pseudo kindle]

thats a hard one

[austere bronze]

been a long time since i played it, but i don't think it's as clear-cut as in taras nabsd for example

[sullen owl]

Wdym not as clear cut

[austere bronze]

hard to say which is the hardest

[pseudo kindle]

they're all ball-crushingly hard

[sullen owl]

So all of em are the hardest

[sullen owl]

Damn

[pseudo kindle]

at least with taras I can say the donut arena is the hardest

[astral hamlet]

taras nabad ml has possibly the two hardest combat encounters in the entire game, but the rest of the level isn't as hard as the world spear

[sullen owl]

Coin room and archville room, yes?

[astral hamlet]

yep

[sullen owl]

I hated those 2 rooms

[austere bronze]

archvile room can be made easy with 2 crucible charges though

[astral hamlet]

yeah true you just slice the tyrants

but that's kinda cheesy

[sullen owl]

I tried like 10 attempts without super weapons. Cuz i was running it on a blind attempt and I wanted to save everything on the final battle (Which wasnt even hard)

[pseudo kindle]

with WS it's like. ok so 10 minute encounter with every demon in the game, or 20 minute encounter where you need to be consistent the whole time, or wave encounter where you get teleported into bullshit alley and dragged down Fuck You Lane

[sullen owl]

Damm

Does the level hav purple goo in it?

[pseudo kindle]

plenty

[astral hamlet]

do you have to ask

[sullen owl]

Damn

[austere bronze]

depends how you define cheesy ig
only thing i'd define as cheese is if you fire 2 bfg shots at nothing and the tendrils kill the archviles through the orange walls

[pseudo kindle]

WS is a lot of fun tho ngl

[austere bronze]

dragged out as hell level

[astral hamlet]

fair

[astral hamlet]

vanilla WS was fun for me
master level WS just feels impossible

[austere bronze]

many of the encounters were just unreasonably long

[pseudo kindle]

80-90% of it is hard but fair combat arenas that challenge you and then 10-20% of it drags

[sullen owl]

What's the easiest ml level

[austere bronze]

arc

[sullen owl]

Im guessing sgn?

[pseudo kindle]

they're so long you feel pressured to save your BFG shots

[sullen owl]

Its the only one ive UN'd so far

[astral hamlet]

hell naw

[pseudo kindle]

in my opinion Cultist Base

[astral hamlet]

arc and cultist base are honestly really chill

[austere bronze]

but that and cultist were made before release, so they're way easier than any other ml

you can't even do classic mode/extra life/un on them

[sullen owl]

Sheesh

[astral hamlet]

I lowk wish we had more MLs like them

[sullen owl]

Hardest un campaign level but the easiest ml level?

[austere bronze]

just play tag1, same difficulty

[sullen owl]

Tag2 without hammer is fun

[astral hamlet]

nahh tag 1 is significantly harder than arc/cultist base ML

[austere bronze]

not really

[pseudo kindle]

I wish we had more like WS just without the unbearably long arenas that drag until the end of time that you probably should use the BFG for but your ego tells you "no" and so you do it but you just end up wasting time

[astral hamlet]

I think I died like twice on both MLs my first playthrough on nightmare but I died so many times in TAG 1

and I think I even played arc before tag 1 so I wasn't as good then

[austere bronze]

tag1 is roughly on par with final sin/arc complex and cultist base ml

[astral hamlet]

I dunno

[pseudo kindle]

I honestly think the hardest thing about tag1 is the 2nd level boss

[austere bronze]

each tag1 level is significantly longer

[pseudo kindle]

I do not like that boss

[astral hamlet]

YES

why tf are the boxes so hard

[sullen owl]

Whats the 2nd level boss again?

[astral hamlet]

maybe that's it

[pseudo kindle]

the eye with the boxes

[austere bronze]

i beat arc complex ml in under 15 but uac atlantica in a bit under 25

or at least last time i played them

which was a few months ago

[sullen owl]

Wait wat. Thats the easiest encounter in the level

[pseudo kindle]

the end boss?

[rough bramble]

I barely used the sword in base lol