doom-eternal

[true basin]

in a bit

[silent sapphire]

Ok

Tell me pls

Is the zimbie skin from 2019

[twin gale]

full armor chestplates look so tasty to me now

i be fiending for that 50 armor

trust me

i was doing so fucking good

[silent sapphire]

I cant get the zombie slayer skin 😦

[twin gale]

then i meathooked onto the wrong demon while tryna glory kill the doom hunter

man

i am thinking that trying to do this only causes me pain and suffering but i realize now that all of it will be worth it when i unlock that skullface skin

[silent sapphire]

Good lukc brotha it took me so long to even reach the hammer in the first level

[azure oriole]

We have been lied all this time

Archvile buff effect isnt the same as the buff totem effect

[real holly]

Huh

[azure oriole]

Elaborate

[true basin]

I guess archvile just makes demons buff

totem makes demons buff and high on speed

[azure oriole]

Buff totem gives a 1.5 speed increase and 1.2 damage increase
Archvile buff gives 1.25 speed increase, 1.1 damage increase and a 25% damage reduction similar to spirits

Inter-esting

25% damage reduction thats fucked up

I thought those were the same

Just having that on the archvile buff at all, while also making it the same color as totems

[spare phoenix]

Eternals mid lowkey

[hushed crystal]

Spirits makes them more resistence too

[spare phoenix]

2016 was better IMO

[hushed crystal]

In visual aspects yes, but in gameplay Eternal is more dynamic

[spare phoenix]

Yeah true with dashing and such but 2016 levels were cooler and the atmosphere was cooler

[hushed crystal]

Yeah

[azure oriole]

Yeah I love brown and red and also more brown

[hushed crystal]

I think the ID and Bethesda will try to return to that aspect in dark ages

[spare phoenix]

Yeah looks like it

[hushed crystal]

I just wait that the preator suit og returns in dark ages

It's what I like the most of 2016,

Even as a referenc would be cool

[spare phoenix]

Some of the new weapon’s like the club thing and shield seem cheap and weird gameplay mechanics

[hushed crystal]

Yeah

But I think that with the New maps and more cinematics would compense that aspect

[hoary portal]

I appreciated the darker, grittier style of 2016 but let’s be real the eternal environments are just objectively better. 2016 levels start to feel very same-y

[hushed crystal]

Yeah, especially in the hell nevels

[candid juniper]

I actually loved the Hell levels

[hushed crystal]

Me too

[spare phoenix]

I feel ya

The hell levels were DOPE

I also liked the old barons more too

[candid juniper]

Kadingir Santcum, Titan’s Realm/Necropolis, and Argent D’nur all felt very distinct from one another

[hoary portal]

I really liked them too but they are all extremely similar

[hushed crystal]

But in some points feels like they are the same, but they are cool too

[hoary portal]

That I will agree with, I love my pink barons I wasn’t a fan of the eternal baron design

[hushed crystal]

That's my opinion

[hoary portal]

Would’ve loved to see a pink baron with green blood like in the classic games, similar to how they gave the caco blue blood

[hollow oak]

theres like 2 environments in 2016

[spare phoenix]

Yeah ugly imo i also liked the
Revenants more too the caco was mid ish

[hushed crystal]

I didn't like the aspects of the green eyes

[hoary portal]

Hell (brown/gray), mars (orange/gray but with tech base)

[candid juniper]

Eternal’s base game environments fit into like 3 archetypes as well if we’re being completely real here.

[hoary portal]

VEGA level really knocked it out of the park though at least in terms of being visually distinctive

[spare phoenix]

What if they brought back the og barons and imps and all the og enemy designs?

[azure oriole]

Yeah but you could actually tell them apart from one another

[hushed crystal]

Would be amasing

[hushed crystal]

Amazing*

[candid juniper]

2016 distinguishes its levels overall quite well using architecture

[spare phoenix]

Yeah fr i love playing og doom sm and all the wads like myhouse.wad or brutal doom fun games man

[hushed crystal]

I heard that the gladiator was an og hell knight

[hoary portal]

I’ll be the guy to say that change is definitely a good thing. If every doom had the same enemy designs as the game in 93 it’d get old quick lol. 1:1 classic pain elementals and cacodemons would look ridiculous in a 3D environment

[hushed crystal]

That makes sense for me

[violet zealot]

I'm probably one of few that do somewhat prefer 2016's more grounded gameplay

[hushed crystal]

Yeah

[violet zealot]

Yes, I know I'm weird and probably outright wrong

[spare phoenix]

Yeah true LmAo

[candid juniper]

Mars surface, the UAC refinery, ARC and Lazarus complexes, Vega core, they all visually distinguish themselves from each other enough that you can separate them in your head just based on color hues and visual design. Same goes for the hell levels.

Like honestly

[spare phoenix]

I can see it

[hoary portal]

I like it when they have elements of the classic demons as a throwback but still take some artistic liberty. Although having a smooth archvile in a modern doom would be interesting

[hushed crystal]

They must add or modifiy

[candid juniper]

These criticisms just seem to remind me that a lot of people really hate duller color schemes

There isn’t much else to it really

2016’s levels don’t actually blend together that much. Maybe Argent D’nur looks too much like Mars surface color wise, but that’s the extent I’d criticize it.

[azure oriole]

Eternal visually looks much better than 2016. I personally find that much of the Mars base levels blend together visually, with exception to the Foundry and VEGA Core levels.

VEGA Core rocks. I give that level a thumbs up.

[hushed crystal]

It was my favorite level of 2016

[violet zealot]

I do agree, with the exception of the Baron

[azure oriole]

But I also just... don't really like 2016's demon designs much. I think they look kind of bland, and feel too much like aliens rather than demons. The Mancubus is cool from a "wow they're connecting it to the Cacodemon" standpoint, but from an actual artistic visual design standpoint I really do not like it. Same goes for the Summoner, Hell Razer, and basically all of the possessed humans.

[violet zealot]

2016's Baron was leagues better imo

[azure oriole]

However I like 2016's Baron design, I also like its Cacodemon and loved the addition of atrophied limbs hanging from its body. Was also a fan of the Revenant design. Spider Mastermind rocks, Cyberdemon is pretty good.
Hell Guards suck though.

[hoary portal]

Again wouldve loved to see the 2016 baron with eternal’s destructible demon mechanic

[azure oriole]

I like both. 2016's Baron looks great but I looove Eternal's Baron design.

[violet zealot]

Forgot about 2016's Cyberdemon

[violet zealot]

I quite dislike Eternal's Baron

it just looks wrong for whatever reason

[candid juniper]

Eternal’s Baron works well with the gore system

[hushed crystal]

Its design was amazing

[candid juniper]

Really cool seeing the fiery insides as you tear it apart

I like both takes on the Baron though

[hoary portal]

Dark ages gore system looks fucking awesome, actually blowing off physical limbs is gonna be sick

Can’t wait for that

[azure oriole]

This is what makes it for me. The ashen skin looks ehhhh until you fire a shot and see lava underneath. Then it fucking rocks.

But yeah Eternal IMO struck a better balance with the classic designs but with modern changes. The Pain Elemental's a good example, it looks very similar but I loved the way it has all these different mandibles and moving sections of its jaw - I also quite enjoy its take on the Cyberdemon and how if you tear it apart you can see more cybernetic parts underneath.

[candid juniper]

I think the 3D model viewer doesn’t do the demons justice, which leads to 2016 looking better in many of these comparison videos

Like in game most of them texture and lighting wise look great

[twin gale]

the pain elemental design isnt bad but i hate seeing it because fighting it sucks

[candid juniper]

In comparison 2016’s lighting is much flatter and obviously textures are muddier

So that plus the gore system really makes Eternal stand above imho

I also don’t hate some of the demon redesigns as much as some people

[azure oriole]

Also I'm gonna be real this is 100% me. It's fine in Doom 3 and I get what 2016's going for, but personally I love color in my games, I love vibrant color schemes and I love when environments look visually distinct from one another. Eternal felt made for me in that regard. Not only did each "faction" of levels look distinct from one another, but the individuals also did. No two Hell levels looked the same, no two Earth levels looked the same. There are two Urdak levels and both look very different.

[twin gale]

yeah the progressive dissolution of demons as you kill them is great design

[azure oriole]

Also just, from a lore nerd standpoint, I don't really care for Doom 2016's depiction of Hell. It's always just... rock-and-bone wastelands, and it's fine for Kadingir Sanctum, but as the game goes on I get bored of the caves, caverns, wastelands, etc...
I love Nekravol in Eternal. I love when Hell is depicted as a lived-in dimension with its own society and culture. Nekravol is a city, a factory. It feels built and inhabited, not just a wasteland where demons happen to be.

That's also why I loved Blood Swamps and Immora.

[candid juniper]

Like I said before I think 2016 does a more competent job differentiating its levels than some give it credit for using architecture and a differing color hues (Necropolis and Vega core utilize greyish/blue colors for example), but I get that the orangish/brownish colors that dominate the game aren’t for everyone. Personally I loved the chasms of the Titan’s realm and necropolis. It was partly the soundtrack, but the abandoned maze like structure gave Hell this odd quality that was alien but not too Sci-Fi.

About demon culture or any culture in general I think Argent D’nur should have been the time to really show this in 2016

It’s my least favorite Hell level in that game because I think it’s a big missed opportunity tbh.

[azure oriole]

Yeah. It also is kind of lame in retrospect, because Argent D'Nur (the level) does not feel like Argent D'Nur (the planet) either. It doesn't feel like an absorbed area from Argent D'Nur. It just feels like another part of Hell named after it.

[candid juniper]

Like if Kadingir was the boonies and Necropolis/Titan’s realm was an apocalyptic landscape devastated by the Slayer and Titans then Argent D’nur, the home of the Well and where the Aranea Imperatrix is summoned, should have shown Hell’s more sophisticated side

But it’s back to the boonies

Which idk, for a place so important just seems kind of strange

[graceful current]

both of them are kinda medieval style places tho just one is red and the other is blue

[azure oriole]

Maybe the level feels more medieval than I'm giving it credit for, but the overwhelming red scheme just makes it feel like Kadingir Sanctum Part 2.

[candid juniper]

Feels more like Mars surface than Kadingir honestly

[hoary portal]

What I really loved about the classic game’s depiction of hell was the abstract nature of a lot of the environments. But I understand that’s much harder to pull off in a non-retro game

[candid juniper]

Kadingir wasn’t so overwhelmingly orange and red

Kadingir has a overlooked sky box too

The vast mountains below and in the distance along with the moon make Hell feel pretty strange in its own way

[graceful current]

https:// doomwiki. org/ wiki/File:Argent_D'Nur_cathedral_interior.jpg

[azure oriole]

This site is down for me on my wifi so I can't look at it. But I'm in a 2016 replay now so I'll take more of a look at it when I get to it.

[graceful current]

ig it's kind of hard to make it like... a corrupted medieval place and make it look distinct to the rest of hell which is also designed like that...
because like you have to show hell leaking into it

so if it's already a similar aesthetic then a hell corrupted version is just gonna look like hell

as opposed to like Deimos which is like futuristic techbase

[candid juniper]

Tbh I think Argent D’nur should have more unique architecture. A lot of the structures in the level blend in with the environment or just look similar to the stuff you see in Kadingir or Necropolis

And like, there’s definitely more you can pull from that still maintains the medieval feel

They probably didn’t work this out until Eternal but that game manages to make the sentinels feel pretty unique by blending the medieval stuff with advanced tech

[azure oriole]

Here's the thing, it's not just supposed to be any Argent D'Nur location. This is a keep containing the Wraiths. Eternal adds some details in the Sentinel Codex entries implying the possibility that this level's location was the "Elemental Sepulchre," a keep the Sentinels had that contained several Wraiths.

So 2016 ideally would have had this area look somewhat mystical, like the World Spear, but they obviously had not thought of this at the time.

[hoary portal]

Or maybe it used to look like that and that’s just what hell does to places. Seems 2016 and before’s demons were much more primitive so I always interpreted it as they’re just there warring with eachother, wrecking the place and it just winds up as a formless wasteland due to that

[azure oriole]

This is totally fair, but I'd still like there to be some remnants of what was left behind that make it distinct from other locations.

[hoary portal]

You always walk into arenas in 2016 and the demons are kinda just beating the shit out of eachother without any purpose till they see the slayer lol, I think the only mention of any demons with actual intelligence in 2016 was that disembodied voice talking to Olivia

[hoary portal]

Oh yeah definitely

[azure oriole]

The voice, according to Hugo, is Davoth. This is a stupid reveal and I preferred the idea it was the Imperatrix but whatever.

[candid juniper]

Even the instances of demons acting intelligently in 2016 are attributed to the influence of the Mastermind. The Baalgar trying to escape for example.

[azure oriole]

In 2016 it's heavily implied most, if not all of the demons are under the Imperatrix's influence.

[hoary portal]

That’s another thing, eternal’s demons definitely have a lot more personality. In 2016 they’re kinda just dumb animals but in eternal they are impressively expressive

[azure oriole]

It's unclear if the Imperatrix is outright controlling them or simply ordering them around psychically.

[candid juniper]

They still infight in Eternal if left to their own devices

But there are more intelligent demons in the game

Archviles and Tyrants mainly

[hoary portal]

Hot take maybe but I do not really like eternal’s story direction after the DLCs, I don’t think the slayer should have killed THE dark lord who apparently runs all of hell so early, if ever

[candid juniper]

I think a confrontation like that was inevitable but TAG2 didn’t do the confrontation much justice

[hoary portal]

Hugo clearly has a more marvel-esque, slayer is a superhero idea of the story which is fine, just not my cup of tea. I much preferred when doomguy was just a guy waging a war on hell that he could never possibly win, but still doing pretty damn good. Just generally being a thorn in hell’s side who only got involved when they pissed him off but otherwise not his monkeys not his circus

[azure oriole]

I am neutral on this topic. I think TAG2 could've handled Davoth a lot better but I also like how it is right now. Overall I liked The Ancient Gods.

[candid juniper]

I think the series has been lending itself to increasing stakes since its inception.

First you stop the Cyberdemon, then the Spider-Mastermind directing the invasion, then save humanity by killing the Icon, and finally settling the score by killing the mother demon.

[graceful current]

tag 2 shouldve made the second level a hell level too so we couldve h.ad more davoth

[candid juniper]

If the series was to continue on from 64, which it did, the next step is to kill someone big like a Dark Lord

[graceful current]

honestly reclaimed earth just feels so random

[candid juniper]

Which happens in 2016

[graceful current]

2016 doesnt really feel like rising stakes given it's a boss from 1 lol

[hoary portal]

Definitely. But they could’ve milked the buildup a little longer rather than blowing their load in TAG1 saying “yeah this is not only the one who rules literally all of Hell, but also the actual creator of God and you’re gonna kill him 3 levels after he’s introduced”

[candid juniper]

Yeah I mean it fashions itself as a reboot so it retreads some old ground there, but the modern take on the mastermind gives it a higher station than the original one ever did

[next adder]

My level on Eternal got reset

[azure oriole]

You essentially just described 2016-Eternal, just switch out "mother demon" with Davoth.

[next adder]

Was over 100. Now im 6

[candid juniper]

I forgot to mention too that 64 narratively establishes the revived demons as stronger than ever iirc

So another way it tries to increase the stakes

[hoary portal]

True, like why tf did humanity have access to a portal that could take you to Urdak, particularly a section of Urdak that was apparently completely unknown like did they ever explain this

[graceful current]

yeah the gate of divuum is dumb lol

[azure oriole]

To be fair, Doom 1 frames the Spiderdemon as just "a demon that masterminded the invasion." Doom 2016's Spider Mastermind is the motherfucking Dark Lord of the Fourth Age. It's the top dog of Hell, not counting that one guy who is a ghost right now.

[candid juniper]

2016 likes to make its bosses super duper special lol

[graceful current]

doesn't really feel like it too much tho lol

like it's just the spider mastermind but we know it can control other demons

[hoary portal]

They’ve also just kinda been moving the goalpost around about what humans actually know about the sentinel world/hell/urdak, in 2016 it was next to nothing and they were researching these hell artifacts then in eternal dlc1 yeah the UAC is in possession of the physical body of one of Urdak’s highest ranking angels like wut

[azure oriole]

Like the Codex entry talks about the Imperatrix like it's a god.

[azure oriole]

To be fair there would be a level of separation. There are different branches of the UAC and they don't seem totally in tune with each other. UAC Earth was almost completely taken over by the Cultists while UAC Mars remained its own thing. I suspect the UAC is sort of like Umbrella in Resident Evil, where different regional branches are functionally different companies and could be keeping secrets from one another, or even competing.

[hoary portal]

I think this kinda makes sense though, it goes along with what I was saying earlier about hell just being a chaotic, formless entity with no rhyme or reason. There’s no hell hierarchy or structure it’s just whatever demon gets its way to the top by being the strongest and it’s constantly changing whenever something bigger and badder comes along and replaces em. Also potentially different “top dog” demons in different regions or dimensions of hell

[graceful current]

yeah but that's just hyping it up

like the testaments with the slayer

[azure oriole]

UAC Earth would keep the Seraphim's body under lock and key, but ultimately it would not provide much research value to solve Earth's energy crisis. They would discover the Argent Fracture on Mars; that's actually functional and can lead to something important.

[graceful current]

that was also kind of weird

i dont like the UAC having the Seraphim's body or The Gate of Divuum

like it just feels really contrived

[hoary portal]

I also don’t really like Samuel Hayden = seraphim

[graceful current]

seraphim's body less so given yk but it still felt weird

[graceful current]

another thing the series does as it goes along is reveal that the singular entities are actually just species

doom 1 implies there's ONE CYBERDEMON and ONE SPIDER MASTERMIND and then doom 2 has multiple of them

and then final doom has multiple Icons of Sin

and then doom 64's lost levels have a SECOND mother demon

[hoary portal]

Final doom isn’t canon, is it?

Highly doubt it

[graceful current]

the canonicity of final doom has never been stated and it would be speculative either way but also technically my message wasn't dependant on canonicity at all ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[azure oriole]

I want to point out, on the whole canon debate, that Doom 64's Nightdive port outright says it's a "direct sequel" to Doom II.

You can make of that what you will. Marketing stuff is weird.

[graceful current]

depends on what modern ID considers Final Doom tbf

like is Final Doom its own game or an "expansion"

[hoary portal]

It was considered an expansion

[azure oriole]

According to the wiki (which is itself very dubious), Doom 64 had old marketing calling it a sequel to Doom 1993 on the SNES. Which is also weird.

[hoary portal]

But interestingly TNT and Plutonia did come with their own IWADs similar to doom 1 and 2

[graceful current]

doomwiki.org or doom fandom wiki cause if it's the fandom wiki i think they're SORT OF misquoting

[azure oriole]

Fandom, which is why I present this with a grain of salt.

doomwiki.org is inaccessible to me on my home wifi. Very frustrating. Some kind of firewall bullshit going on with my internet provider.

[graceful current]

i believe that they just mean how like it only ever references the events of Doom 1 in the marketing

fandom wiki is heavily dubious with its info given it also says Final Doom was "confirmed canon"

[azure oriole]

Yeah, it fucking sucks. Every FANDOM wiki sucks.

[graceful current]

yeah it just says "SNES Doom" is the "precursor" and the backstory for the og release of 64 only ever references the events of Doom 1

sigh.

[graceful current]

https:// www. shacknews.com/article/117322/terraform-the-making-of-doom-64
I did some digging about the Final Doom thing by the way, I believe it's referencing this article???? But this article doesn't provide a source for that claim.

Although id had moved on to Quake, the co-founders had agreed to keep "Doom 3" in their back pocket in the event they returned to the franchise. (Final Doom, a 64-level follow-up to Doom 2 released in 1996, was neither "final," nor did id consider it a proper numbered sequel, though the game does fit into Doom canon.)

absolutely 0 clue wtf shack news is talking about here lawl

or why fandom wiki cites it as fact

[azure oriole]

I do know the first part's verified - that id didn't allow Midway to call Doom 64 "Doom 3" as they were saving the name.

[graceful current]

yeah i know that part is true

[graceful current]

ugh i tried to figure this out and now im just more confused???

"Final DOOM was for a long time the last official release of DOOM"
so it is its own game right...?

it says it is made up of two "episodes" and it calls all other expansions "episodes" too...

[azure oriole]

I consider Final Doom its own game personally. Or rather two of them. They're functionally expansions, but they are IWADs. I'd say they can be called "Doom games" rather than "Doom map packs."

[hoary portal]

Official release as in it’s a commercial wad. Master levels for doom 2 were an official release but those def aren’t canon (at least they better not be lmao)

[graceful current]

but then legacy of rust says "the first official episode since Doom II to feature new demons and weapons" which implies Doom II is also called its own episode right...?

[graceful current]

im not talking abt whether it is official or not

i'm talking about whether it is officially a "game" or an "expansion"

[hoary portal]

Oh, well they require you to have doom 2 if I’m not mistaken

[graceful current]

also the master levels can be canon they just don't matter coughs and wheezes and splutters everywhere

[hoary portal]

You need both IWADs to run it no? It’s been a little while since I’ve played em

[graceful current]

actually no you needed Doom 2 for NRFTL and Master Levels but iirc you could buy Final Doom on its own

[hoary portal]

Interesting

[graceful current]

actually i'll just pull up the id software site for it

[graceful current]

yeah i like to consider it its own game personally

This is how ID Software puts Final Doom (at the time of Doom 3's release):

Two New, 32-Level DOOM II Episodes.

...which doesn't help us solve this at all 😭

[hoary portal]

In terms of story they don’t really fit anywhere though. Demons in Vietnam then more techbase stuff

And again 2 icon of sins because of technical limitations

[graceful current]

where'd you get vietnam from bruh

[onyx veldt]

Bro the chat is actually active?

[hoary portal]

Plutonia

[graceful current]

They're not the actual Icon of Sin though, the story manual treats them as seperate entities

The Icon of Doom II is "Baphomet" whilst the Icon of Plutonia is "The Gatekeeper"

[graceful current]

show me where it says plutonia is set in vietnam

[hoary portal]

I’m half joking I don’t think it’s ever specified where Plutonia actually takes place

Just my headcanon

[graceful current]

it's specified to be on Earth and then in a part of Hell called the "Devil-Hive"

TNT is stated to take place on a moon "of Jupiter", which everybody nowadays assumes is "Io" because of Wraith Corporation's Hell to Pay also being on Io and Wraith has ties to TNT members

[graceful current]

definitely interesting but i wonder how this meshes with Nightdive's Doom + Doom II port

also makes me wonder abt NRFTL cause i know that's not CONFIRMED canon but it has a confirmed story placement if it WAS canon and it was included in the current latest rerelease of Doom 3 and Doom 2016 references it via achievement

[azure oriole]

NRFTL can work as an interquel like Thy Flesh Consumed. Like you're back on Earth but some bullshit is happening and there's more demons to kill. I just wish the text screen wasn't so stupid.

[graceful current]

whats wrong with the text screen lol

are you just not a fan of "this ride is closed" cause i get it 😭

[graceful current]

essentially yeah

the official statement from Nerve is that it "continues on Earth after Hell's forces have [seemingly] been vanquished"

[azure oriole]

Yeah it's stupid, and also it just has no semblance of a real plot behind it. It just feels dumb.

[graceful current]

it's an 8 episode expansion idk how much plot they could really add without adding new enemies and stuff

[azure oriole]

Classic Doom has this tone of irreverence and meatheadedness behind it that I like, but it has to be tempered. NRFTL's text screen goes a bit too far with it.

[graceful current]

my favourite victory text screen is Evilution's tbh

[azure oriole]

Even something just as simple as actually addressing what Nerve was saying - you thought Earth's invasion was done with, but a demon lord has managed to reopen a portal and you need to stop it before humanity can come back to Earth.
It's not that I want more plot, moreso just that I want the text screen to match the tone of Doom II's and not feel so silly and focused on zany one-liners. The text screens are something I like about those games, I like them having kind of a silly and dumb tone to them while still presenting a narrative, albeit a very simple one.

[graceful current]

true true

lmao imagine if perdition's gate hadn't missed the deadline for final doom the doom lore would be so much wackier

randomass alien race that makes mind controlled tech that the demons went to war with

...honestly i'd probably be headcanoning it as urdak if it had been in final doom /hj

oh wait i just noticed that doom 64 says "Years have passed since you stopped Hell’s invasion of Earth." there's still a little bit of time between Doom II and 64 i guess

i mean doesn't entirely fix the "direct sequel" line but i guess there's a bit of wiggle room

[hoary portal]

Let’s throw this wrench in the mix: are sigil 1 and 2 canon?

The wads by John Romero

[azure oriole]

IMO, absolutely not.

[violet zealot]

Yeah, not really

nothing backs up that they are

[graceful current]

there is literally no official statement on these and there never will be but i will say they weren't created with the intention of being canon

[violet zealot]

plus the fact they're unofficial

[graceful current]

nothing says they aren't either

[hoary portal]

Nah I was joking mainly obviously there’s no official statement saying they were canon

[graceful current]

realistically it doesn't matter and it really just depends on if you want them to be or not

[azure oriole]

sigil story is dumb

At that pace doomguy will never escape hell

SIGIL and SIGIL II were effectively made by a fan. Romero had no official involvement with the Doom series when he made them. id has retroactively made them official episodes, but I definitely do not consider them canon.
But, like most of the expansions here, there's no reason you can't think so for yourself. It doesn't really change much.

[hoary portal]

Yeah bro Satan just dragged you back into hell after episode 4 because… he just does okay???

And you’re never gonna believe what he does after sigil 1

[graceful current]

with them not being canon you don't have to grapple with whoever "Satan" is in the Doom lore and with them being canon you get a more self referential classic Doom continuity with the IoS being called "Baphomet"

so there's benefits to both views and it just depends on which you like more

[graceful current]

this is the case for every official expansion teebeeaich

Doom 64 Lost Levels is just literally baffling

a second mother demon
teleports you to a uac base on fucking SEDNA of all places
go back to Hell

like that's literally just Sigil with a coat of paint

[azure oriole]

On sigil 3 baphomet will drag doomguy to hell again

[graceful current]

sigil 3 (Hellion) is on earth confirmed i think

or it'll be doomguy fighting his way to earth

[azure oriole]

I can buy a second Mother Demon but why the fuck would they have it teleport you out of Hell? Just have the whole thing in Hell. Doom 64 is already like 2/3rds Hell anyway.

[graceful current]

EXACTLY
AND WHY IS THE UAC BASE ON SOME RANDOMASS DWARF PLANET 😭

and yeah ig i can buy a second mother demon given the multiple spiderdemons and IoS beforehand

[azure oriole]

gameplay wise tech base levels on doom 64 are boring as hell

Nobody gives a shit about Doom 64's techbase levels. What is the point of making more? The main attractions are the really cool and atmospheric Hell levels.

[graceful current]

Official Classic Doom Expansion Storylines:

• you get teleported to Hell again go fuck shit up (SIGIL)
• go fuck shit up (SIGIL II)
• some random uac dude goes to hell (Master Levels Inferno)
• theres a weird temple on Titan go look at it (Master Levels Titan)
• a cyberdemon gets turned into a human by some demon lords go kill them!!! (Master Levels Cabal)
• cyberdemon dude pulls up after doom ii and continues the invasion (NRFTL)
• you get teleported out of hell by a second mother demon GO KILL THEM (lost levels)
  i think legacy of rust (if you don't count it as its own original game which imo it SHOULD BE but it isn't) is the only one with a good plot lol

well actually ngl the Cabal plotline isn't too bad

[graceful current]

yeah lol

though i think only the first lost levels level is on sedna??

idk it's dumb that never gets said in game

[azure oriole]

LoR's text screens fucking kick ass. Love them. Same with the story intro text.

[graceful current]

YEAHHHH

[azure oriole]

It's IMO a masterclass in taking advantage of, like, how vague classic Doom is. Neat narrative, neat text, but very up to interpretation and heavily informed by environmental storytelling in-game.

If I had to pick one of these expansions to try and fit into canon it would definitely be LoR.

[graceful current]

it fits the smoothest into it

it says that New Eden is undiscovered till the expansion, that the enemies in New Eden live only in New Eden, and then ends by nuking everything which also explains why everything in it isn't in games taking place after LoR

and even then Tyrants are just from Eternal and (unintentionally) the Mindweaver is just TDA's Arachnotron lol + it has the ballista

[azure oriole]

but is it a different protagonist?

[graceful current]

heavily implied it is the same doomguy

Three minutes—all it took before the UAC's top brass played their ace.

[azure oriole]

it kinda fits more if it's a different protagonist

[graceful current]

why

[azure oriole]

Like how they did it with quake 2 new expansion

[azure oriole]

If I had control over it all I'd make it a Doom 64 prequel and add a bit of backstory. UAC's remnants go back to Mars and use the old shit to build portals to New Eden, which has resources that could help rebuild humanity. But bullshit happens and Doomguy is up for the job. New Eden is a very, very old area of Hell from before Davoth "died," a sub-sect of demons whose leader is shrouded in mystery.

When Doomguy detonates the nukes in Hell, the radiation leaks through the portals, becoming the "apocalyptic levels of radiation" on Mars mentioned in Doom 64's manual. Doomguy and UAC abandon the base, not realizing that the radiation has masked the arrival of the leader of the New Eden area - the Mother Demon, who wants revenge.

[graceful current]

yeah but why does that fit Legacy of Rust better

[azure oriole]

Thus the "Mother of All Demons" is actually the Mother of New Eden. Eden mother. You know, like Eve or something in the Bible. Would be neat IMO.

[graceful current]

Oh yeah that would've been super cool

I do like to think there's somewhat of a connection between the two nukings

[candid spruce]

Is anyone up for boosting on battlemode on playstation?

[graceful current]

like the US Government finds out about the fact the nukes erased New Eden and they're like "Shiiiiit man lets nuke Mars just in case"

[azure oriole]

We dont know when LoR takes place

[graceful current]

well it kind of has to be after Doom and Doom II

[azure oriole]

Yeah exactly.

I just fucking loved LoR. It was seriously fun, all the new enemies were great IMO, levels were consistently amazing and so was the music. I thought it lived up to the potential of a new "official" Doom WAD.

[graceful current]

The Union Aerospace Corporation, never one to shy away from hubris and excess, learned the hard way that even the demons feared something greater, something deeper. When the Ones Beneath awoke
this is about the vassagos right? that's a pretty interesting thing to say about them

[graceful current]

YEAH IKR??? The levels and music are so good, I love E1M5 and E2M7 especially they're some of the most fun levels in Doom IMO

[azure oriole]

My only issue is I wish Bethesda had handled its release in regards to the modding community better. I would have loved to see LoR's new monsters and weapons become mainstays in the Doom modding community, but I can't blame them for not really adopting them when the LoR stuff isn't really open source like the older shit is.

[graceful current]

yeah 💔

vassagos and banshees and tyrants not being used much is a real shame

they have lots of potential

though tyrants were already sort of based on a fan demon i guess so

[azure oriole]

Yeah, especially Vassagos and Tyrants. Tyrants are such a great idea. For how low effort they were, Hell Knights actually expanded the roster by allowing the danger of a Baron without the bullet sponge.

Tyrants are a great way for a map to have the "oh fuck oh fuck that's a one-hit-kill demon" but without having to sink 25 Super Shotgun blasts into them.

[graceful current]

mindweavers were dire though as a concept

[azure oriole]

I really loved the Shocktroopers though.

[graceful current]

oh yeah they're funny af

[azure oriole]

High damage glass cannons. Cool enemies. Also they sound funny and I like their heads popping off their bodies when they die.

[graceful current]

i really wish that more classic doom expansions had like... actually added new stuff like LoR

especially Doom 64 Lost Levels i feel that would've really benefitted from that

like!! add the revenant!! or the archvile!! their attacks are already coded in game!!!

[graceful current]

they use strogg sounds from quake 2 as their idle noise right?

[azure oriole]

My last Doom 64 replay I used the Retribution GzDoom mod and enabled this feature that adds the missing demons with appropriate 64 designs. And it rocked. I don't think I can go back to normal Doom 64.

And like they had changes like the other modified demons. Revenants shoot the same missiles we see as level hazards - two at once and always homing, but slower and can follow tighter curves. Really changes the dynamic and makes them more dangerous in close quarters.

Or the Spiderdemon having two chainguns.

My favorite was the Archvile, which is redesigned to look like a baby Mother Demon. Very cool.

[graceful current]

oh i like that

i haven't actually messed with doom 64 mods for some reason

[azure oriole]

I recommend Retribution. It also helps that Doom 64's movement feels weirdly janky in vanilla/Nightdive compared to normal Doom, and Retribution is basically just Doom 64 but in GzDoom, so it has better movement but keeps all of 64's specific additions.

[azure oriole]

does ai accuracy increases with infinite tokens?

probably not but it feels like that

cyberdemon laser attack feels weird

[strange gale]

on all difficulties, enemies can cancel some of their attack windups in response to your position (laser is a great example), and inf tokens make this more common

[azure oriole]

Gladiator is the best boss in doom eternal.

and no one can disagree with that.

[real holly]

I disagree

Icon of Sin my goat ❤️

[azure oriole]

Icon of jank.

Icon of too big.

[real holly]

[azure oriole]

Icon of not gladiator

[graceful current]

best boss in doom

[austere bronze]

doom hunter

[real holly]

What

[azure oriole]

Counter argument they're a basic enemy more than they are a boss.

And also they die in 2 seconds.

[real holly]

I could never enjoy Doom Hunter when you first fight them, your still a glass cannon with a limited arsenal

At least with the gladiator your close to full power

[dreamy nymph]

still a boss

[azure oriole]

The reason I don't like Icon is that time I lost a UN to him because I couldn't find what part was bearly not damaged enough to go into next phase

[azure oriole]

Y'all are sleeping on the cube boss fr fr (jk)

[real holly]

The trial of ballista aim and dashing to the left or right alot

[austere bronze]

when you face them as a boss you're more of a glass cannon as evilstobe tower said, and thry got significantly more health at that point too

which imo creates an interesting dynamic

[real holly]

Doesn't matter Uncle Ben The sightless judge from Nekravol part 1 is the best boss in the game

[austere bronze]

lol

[real holly]

That felt so random

[azure oriole]

Still they get almost stunlocked and die

[real holly]

Like "hey here's a one time micro boss that lasts 40 seconds with some eye shooty things" what were they going for

[austere bronze]

all i remember from him is that i actually died quite a bit there

[strange gale]

dark ages won't have busted movement (and it'll likely have weaker/nonexistent animation canceling) so it might finally get to have bosses that aren't dps slop

[graceful current]

not even a codex entry </3

[azure oriole]

We haven't found busted movement yet, and may not find it*

Never underestimate speedrunners

[strange gale]

let me cope

[azure oriole]

I already see signs of potential movement epic gamer style stuff.

[real holly]

I'm not getting dark ages on release bc I can't fly around and move like a maniac like I did in Eternal

I'll probably get it eventually though

[strange gale]

the first good nudoom game 🥹

[azure oriole]

Fair, it's always the third game that seems to mix it up alot. Doom 3, Doom dark ages.

[real holly]

What does that mean

[azure oriole]

I can't wait for another divide in the doom community.

[strange gale]

2016 is dps slop and de is movement/resource slop

[real holly]

Okay?

[real holly]

One more to the list

[azure oriole]

I say everything is slop because nothing is good.

[strange gale]

trvthnvke

[real holly]

If everything is slop nothing will be

[strange gale]

true! make everything worse

[azure oriole]

True!!! I don't mind the dps high game play of 2016 and eternal as it has a high skill ceiling, remember some people have 100+ hours qnd still can't weapon swap well

Just because your good at it and have reached a high level doesn't make it bad or basic.

[real holly]

Jesus what kind of server history does this place have to have all these rules, slow mode and Vega links that aren't allowed

It just reeks of "this place fucking sucked so we had to 1984 it so the new idiots that come in don't fuck everything over"

[azure oriole]

Not as much as Touhou's meme chat having 3 minutes slow mode, and embed only.

[graceful current]

VEGA is broken rn

i agree tho it kinda sucks especially having 0 vcs

[real holly]

From what I can grasp the Doom community has A LOT of dunces that lack social awareness or social skills online and that's why this place Is the way it is

Ig that's to be expected from fps game community that has a lot of "masculinity" in it tbf

[strange gale]

i don't think animation canceling is particularly interesting when the input buffer gives you like a full second to decide where to go with bats

[real holly]

Cavemen on some "look guys I'm so strong and much military I can shoot gun im so sigma im such a masculine man"

[azure oriole]

If you don't like it don't do it, the games not built around it.

[real holly]

X Doom Eternal strat haters when you simply tell them not to use it

[austere bronze]

me for reals for reals😎

[azure oriole]

Big VEGA is always watching.

[real holly]

Just like the book by gorgeous or well

[strange gale]

it's like dark souls where an attack you input 3 days ago comes out after like 2 other queued animations

[strange gale]

the alternative is less interesting

[azure oriole]

Wait until this guy realises you can imput buffer in souls.

Jk.

Well you can it's not as powerful as it is in doom eternal

[strange gale]

yeah i just said this

de's weapon tech is cool but its mechanical skill ceiling isn't very high

it took me a couple of months to get my quickswapping to look like any speedrunner's (with the same consistency too), that's not a very long time

[azure oriole]

A couple of months means nothing? You could of played 24/7 in 8 months, or 1 hour a day over 2 months.

If you got good at it quickly thats impressive, as it took me 2 years to learn personally.

[strange gale]

game released in march 2020 and by july i was deep in the dps slop

high execution stuff in tekken is cool (ch df2 -> perfect electric and taunt jet upper are good examples) cause it's hard as fuck (has to be frame perfect, can't be buffered) and you're rewarded proportionally with some of the highest damage in the game

[austere bronze]

dblade and hammer wack swap...

[strange gale]

yeah but is that better than swapping between 2/3 weapons

[azure oriole]

Hard af doesn't mean good or fun, as a player I don't want to put 20 years of my life into learning one peice of tech.

[strange gale]

sure but hard can be good and fun

[austere bronze]

admittedly, the hard way of pulling off dblade wack swaps (without MSC) doesn't really have any utility
but some silent BATS can get pretty hard, especially if you wanna do it with an fblade setup

[strange gale]

quickswapping would be fine if the effort/reward ratio wasn't so skewed

[azure oriole]

In my opinion doon eternals skill ceiling and floor are at a perfect level to where anyone can learn them, still takes skill, and is cool af. Not everyone has all day to game, some people only have 3 hours a day to game, some even less. Making the cool shit to hard will alienate 90% of people who play the game

[strange gale]

tbh modded content solves this "problem" anyway so idrc

[azure oriole]

And once again some People who've been playing for years still can't quickswap, just because you get the hang of it quickly doesn't mean everyone does.

Took me 140+ hours to get it, may not sound like a lot, but to me that is 140 hours of my life.

[austere bronze]

i mean, they either haven't played it that much during that time or haven't tried to learn it

[strange gale]

applying hand dexterity learned in other places (ex: sports/painting) takes effort, those people you mentioned haven't picked up quickswapping because they aren't putting conscious effort into trying to learn

[austere bronze]

basic quick swapping isn't that hard, but also much more fun than no quick swapping and not that good either

[strange gale]

mechanical learning doesn't happen passively

college football/basketball players didn't get where they are by just playing da game

[azure oriole]

Would you rather the mechanic be inconsistent? Yes I agree its to strong, but also I disagree the skill level it takes to do is to low.

Any lower and it just would feel like shit to do, and not be fun.

Hell some pc players say you can't quickswap on controller because it's just slightly harder than it is on pc.

[strange gale]

inaccessibility isn't inherently bad

the level of quickswapping we're talking about wasn't id's vision anyway

[azure oriole]

Yes it is?

If you can make something more accessible as a game designer you want to do it, therefore more people have fun.

No one disliked quick editing in Fortnite, because it made builds more accessible.

@strange gale lets just agree that no one here's going to be happy and disagree.

[strange gale]

you can have fun in de without playing like a speedrunner

ssg ballista doesn't take a lot to learn and that already gets you most of the way there

mishimas in older tekkens (t8 doesn't count) were unbelievably overpowered for like 2 decades, but they lacked easy to use conventional tools which kept that power behind tons of learning

[austere bronze]

mindless slaughter maps get really boring without tech

[strange gale]

i think that's cool

quickswapping is similarly overpowered in that once you've picked it up, there's no reason to do anything else

but the executional barrier is much lower which i think is lame

[austere bronze]

the mechanical skill to silent bats fron arba to pb is quite high, because on top of the silent bats you'll have to swap away from the hc at just the right time to avoid a manual mod swap in the hc

[strange gale]

yeah that stuff is sick

[azure oriole]

And this is made even harder on controller.

[strange gale]

but pb rocket/ssg spam already gets you 90% of the way there

and that's not sick

[azure oriole]

If you see doom eternal as a fps where the point is to win I see the problem, that's why I see it as a sandbox where you kill the demons in the most creative ways you can think of.

If you see it as a sandbox you won't want to spam one thing because you have all the tools to experiment

[strange gale]

i'm a fan of creativity too but you need to use unintended tech to bring any of that potential out

[azure oriole]

Who cares if it's unintended? Just do it.

[strange gale]

i don't care

the cool stuff isn't super hard either but the inputs required don't feel great

[austere bronze]

i think most tech is easier to learn on controller, but harder to do while moving

[strange gale]

sms is very useful but annoying to input (do not conflate that with difficulty)

setting up fblade is annoying in the same way

[austere bronze]

how is it annoying?

[strange gale]

oh this is just a taste thing

[azure oriole]

why is sandbox performance so crap? 😭

[strange gale]

i'm just speaking for myself, i don't like how doing the above tech feels physically

[austere bronze]

ah

[strange gale]

it's not uncomfortable

as an analogy, it's kinda like how reverse shoryu inputs (left, down, down+left) in fighting games are universally considered lame but normal ones (same input but in the other direction) are cool

https:// youtu.be/UQjRdkh06oM this is conceptually very simple, you just hold Y/triangle and release on a specific frame, then cancel the endlag by teleporting

but chaining trick jdcs feels amazing

imo harder timing > more button presses

https:// youtu.be/mudbiALVA-U the combo starter here requires 3 frame perfect inputs

again, conceptually simple but really difficult to do consistently, especially in a real match setting

[austere bronze]

at that point you may as well do frame ballista i feel like

[strange gale]

the input is simple, you just have to do it fast and on a specific timing

frame ballista isn't worth it, this lets you remove 60% of a character's health in one combo

the difference between this and doing pb ballista slightly faster is huge

[austere bronze]

true

if you wanna pb ballista faster you can just do a BATS chain instead

pb, MSC into ballista, MSC into pb, repeat

[strange gale]

frame ballista would be really cool if the timing wasn't fps dependent

a cancel window of 2 frames (33ms) at 60fps feels reasonable

[austere bronze]

i'l actually be implementing this as it makes pb+ballista significantly faster

and unlike when you simply MSC from the ballista, alt fire delay isn't an issue

[strange gale]

oh yeah i forgot you can just do that

[austere bronze]

some stuff i do just for style points

like ssg reload animation for fse the
timing wasn't that hard to get down, but still feels cool

[strange gale]

that and ssb are sick

[austere bronze]

i think a fully charged dblade wack swap (without MSC) is the coolest, because thr timing is just so tight

frame ballista is of course way harder, but no one's gonna be doing that consistently

[azure oriole]

buffed mode aint that bad

i only had a dumbass dead on taras nabad cuz I didnt know empowered demons also receive a damage boost so I got rekt by revenant barrage while charging db

:^]

Also on that circular arena the two marauders felt more predictable

Unlike when they're normal

[austere bronze]

yeah revenants can actually go crazy when buffed

thanks vega

[abstract plover]

Hey anyone wanna help me get the battle mode achievements on doom eternal later today ( im on the xbox vwersion )

later today if so dm me pls

its a big help im done with everyother achievement

[rose sparrow]

I’m just wondering, is there a way that if I just started a nightmare play through? I could maybe play it with cheat codes because it seemed easy but I can’t get past a certain point because I take too much damage.

Or do I have to fully complete the mission to do that?

Never mind I give up. I almost completed it and then four enemies. I had a buff on them, but I couldn’t find spawn out of nowhere and I got one shotted.

[austere bronze]

lower the difficulty?

[rose sparrow]

I’m going for a milestone. I can’t lower the difficulty or else I won’t be able to get it.

[real holly]

Only have one more horde mode reward left to unlock

I just replay Cultist Base-Reclaimed earth bc the Holt in horde mode is just cbt

Recently I got lucky and have the ssg+ballista+heavy cannon all by reclaimed earth so I can combo with ease

So I'll just replay this save on Reclaimed Earth till I get the last Horde mode reward

And since I'm not going for the completion of horde mode (which I already did and got the max ranking for playing on nightmare and no bfg) I can use BFG if I'm bored

Also holy fuck I've been implementing presicion bolt in my combos this shit is awesome why did I think it was weaker for so long

Does it deals more damage if you aim it at demons heads?

[austere bronze]

yes, but barely

400-->500

[real holly]

Buh

[azure oriole]

Goodstone tower

[real holly]

My evil twin

[fallen token]

Still don’t get why battle mode trophies count as base game trophies and not a separate trophy set

[true heath]

I love this stupid meatball

[azure oriole]

Tag1 and 2 I'm guessing, you can use cheat codes, it's just not very gamer of you

[acoustic field]

Hmmm .... im having a problem playing doom eternal on Nvidia GeForce now ... the game gets stuck (no crash, just a black screen, sound is still running) ... when going into the portal after picking up the flamethrower for the first time ...

I restarted the game ..

I played with Another save file up to that point ....

I just gets stuck ;<

[azure oriole]

Get better internet, or play it on anything else.

(I don't like cloud gaming)

[real holly]

I'll give Master Levels credit they have completely butchered my view on the Marauder, the enemy projectiles activating his shield is actually cancer. I now dislike the Marauder for a completely different reason than the bad players that don't know how to deal with him. Like if he works it's fine but there's so many instances in these master levels where he is just broken

[acoustic field]

Hmm I like cloudgaming .. I have a tiny slim laptop, so it's a good solution for me ... but the internet is not the reason for the stuck

[real holly]

Like it would be as simple as leaving a unintentional feature out of the game bruh

HUUGGGOOO

[true heath]

Fuck off Vega

[woven moth]

The crimson chin

[true heath]

Wrong!

dramatic music

[woven moth]

The Teal Toe

[true heath]

Vega I'm not spamming

[woven moth]

I believe you

[true heath]

I was just trying to convey my frustration towards Hugo deciding to let enemy projectiles trigger marauder shields by screaming his name and Vega hates that

[real holly]

I will find Hugo and look at him really weird before walking away

[austere bronze]

tru dat

hop on that LOB redirect/feet ballista...

[real holly]

Since the Marauder is no longer my favorite enemy, the Baron of hell or Tyrant will take its place

Probably Tyrant bc he's just the ultimate damage sponge

[austere bronze]

the tyrant is just soo boring

[real holly]

:(

[austere bronze]

doom hunter, spirit, carcass, dread knight, mancubus are all much better

(imo)

[true heath]

Might I bring up Archies /j

[real holly]

Archvilles are weird, their either already buffing everybody and have summoned enemies and I'm 5 seconds away from death or they're frozen and 4 milliseconds away from death by either lock on rockets or quickswap

[true heath]

They're assholes but I love them

Unless it's a master level in which case fuck you die

[real holly]

Taras Nabad ML Archvilles

At least in SGN and MC I can save Crucibles or take them out individually

[true heath]

And meathook is STILL playing for some god damn reason

[real holly]

OMG so true like

Use ANOTHER song please it's not bad

But like for the love of god Mick Gordon made more than just Meathook

Song ruined by overuse imo

It's the Werehog battle music of Doom (plays too much and therefore people get tired of it)

Outside of Tyrants I like Barons alot, just buffed up Hell Knights

[twin gale]

hot take but i dont like meat hook as much as most other doom eternal songs

[real holly]

That's a normal take actually

[twin gale]

fr?

[true heath]

Honestly I prefer like very high bpm tracks

[real holly]

Yeah

[twin gale]

i always see it glazed

[true heath]

Yeah as evil stone said it's the werehog music of doom

[real holly]

Meat hook is either disliked from the start or people grow tired of it by listening to it EVERYWHERE in Eternal

[twin gale]

yeah it is everywhere

[real holly]

Like play BFG 10k or Super Gore Nest or fucking "The only thing they fear is you" or god forbid BFG division

[woven moth]

I like urdaks ost

[real holly]

The ambient of Urdak is awesome

[woven moth]

Especially when it goes "Wooee woeee wooe Wooee"

[real holly]

Shits haunting and perfectly encapsulates the feeling of "oh this is heaven????"

[twin gale]

meathook is only in 2 levels but feels everywhere

maybe because exultia and taras nabad are kinda dragged out in general

[real holly]

"this is what the Makyrs have sacrificed billions for???"

[woven moth]

I think about the UAC a lot

[real holly]

I always imagine some poor UAC Mars soldier just fighting 3 Cacodemons with nothing but a mod-less Plasma rifle

[woven moth]

Like, how much of a job do you need for a 7ft cyborg, to come see you and be like "leave earth, come work for me on mars"

[real holly]

you ever wonder why you don't see many human footsoldiers in Doom Eternal?

They are all fucking dead

[woven moth]

Lol

60k people either dead or transformed into demons
Samuel Hayden: " this was in mankind's best interest"

[real holly]

Must have made hella bread

[woven moth]

Your family gets severance for when you die horribly

[real holly]

See this is why I like punching the geezer in Tag 1 he was begging to get socked in the face

[azure oriole]

The UAC operates like a cult.

[woven moth]

They are a cult, that's funded by earth's governments

[broken veldt]

Just getting back into eternal before dark ages comes out how dead is the multilayer case I noticed is till have some stuff too unlock from it and the barrel ore discord seems dead

[real holly]

"bla bla bla good of humanity bla bla bla"

Billions dead

Cut in half like Darth maul

Glazes himself before he reveals his true identity

Yeah no you deserved to get socked in the face

[true heath]

That poor soul

It's already dead

[azure oriole]

I don't mean the cult. Even before Olivia Pierce, the UAC was eerily cult-like in its rhetoric. Messages to employees would commonly frame their work as pushing mankind into an age of ascension. It was corporate worship. I would wager that most people working for UAC Mars probably are indoctrinated.

Reminder that on Mars, UAC employees worked 7-day work weeks.

[real holly]

I remember seeing this in the doc

Samuel even back then was an ass

[woven moth]

I bet

[real holly]

Doom Lore giving us dozens of reasons to want to beat the shit out of Samuel ❤️

[true heath]

And then we do in tag1 and Vega saves him like I want to kill him already let me do it

[polar osprey]

i dont think doomguy actually wanted to kill samuel, he was jus getting in his wya

[real holly]

The only good thing he did was give the Slayer his power, hide the father and he sort of had good intentions problem is his plans backfire 9 times out of 10, and well what mono said so his methods are less than optimal

[polar osprey]

yep lmoa

he caused the father to no longer have a physical form, he gave davoth a physical form and permanently killed him, giving no hope at all for maykrs for avoiding transfiguration

[real holly]

I appreciate that they tried to make a nuanced character but the truth is in the end Samur is an ass

[polar osprey]

so he literally fucked his entire race permanently

[polar osprey]

yeah he seemed too over himself

"IM THE REASON UR ALIVE, UR MY LITTLE PITBULL, AND YOU WILL KILL ALL THE TODDLERS I TELL YOU, DO YOU HEAR ME PRINCESS?"

[real holly]

I'll always believe the Slayer crushed the father's life sphere for a good reason but also he did it in a manner to spite Samur

[polar osprey]

he did it becuase the father would easily stop doomguy from killing davoth

[real holly]

Look at the look he gives Samur before he does it, on some "renemeber Mars?"

[real holly]

Yeah I know but I want to believe the Slayer to some degree was on some "fuck you Samur"

[polar osprey]

yeah u can tell he kinda looked him in the eye and stuff

[real holly]

Honestly? The Slayer has more than enough reasons to want Samur dead

But he has bigger fish to fry

[polar osprey]

it seems the slayer canonically reads the codex since he knows the father would be a much larger pain in the ass than davoth (kinda unbeatable)

[real holly]

I don't think he does, he just knew

He clearly knows what he's doing, but I think his knowledge is that which he already posseses

[polar osprey]

i mean surely he reads right, he was a marine after all- right nvm he probably chewed crayons on his first shift

[real holly]

Lol

[polar osprey]

oh true he probably has alot of knowledge that the codex doesnt show

[real holly]

I think he doesn't read the codex bc he seemed surprised at the "Davoth was the first being" reveal even though the codex told it

[polar osprey]

the divinity machine probably gave him more than strength, but also intelligence

he was able to modify the praetor suit to make it alot better

[real holly]

He just knows what he's doing, and if he's a little lost mommy Vega, daddy Samur or brother Intern will point him in the right direction

[austere bronze]

great implementation of them

[real holly]

Evil implementation of them

I think they would have been better implemented, locked off, in a larger arena

Bc in the level it just feels like a torture claustrophobia mesh of horror

[azure oriole]

To anyone who knows more about the PC version: can I mix Doom Eternal mods between the official beta and the injector?

i.e. can I have mods installed through the official mod support preview + mods installed through Nexus?

[polar osprey]

yes you can

[fallen token]

Can’t even get a battle mode match

[polar osprey]

you will need to install the mod manager in the main doom eternal folder as normal, it affects both normal and sandbox

[azure oriole]

WDYM sandbox?

[polar osprey]

load your mods before opening the preview

[polar osprey]

just the preview version nothing special

its just called that in the actual files, "DOOMSandbox.exe"

[azure oriole]

Does it load Nexus mods before officially-installed mods, or the other way around?

[polar osprey]

ehhhh not sure

i dont tihnk it has a specific go through list

[azure oriole]

And you're sure? Like you've done this before?

[polar osprey]

u gotta click on the EternalModInjector batch file before you open the preview

[polar osprey]

i have, currently am

[azure oriole]

Nexus just has some mods I like (like Music Reworks and Tweaks) that aren't on the beta.

Alright, cool.

[polar osprey]

it works, and Zwip (prominent member of the doom modding community) personally said it works

[polar osprey]

yeah yeah these should be good

[azure oriole]

Cool. I've used both of these before, just not at once.

[azure oriole]

Do I need to screw with this folder at all (the doomSandbox folder) or do I install like normal?

[polar osprey]

nope

i tried using it with the mods inside of it, it was saying "hey ur missing this folder"

installing it like normal affects both of them

[azure oriole]

Awesome.

[lethal ibex]

What enemy do you guys think is the most annoying?

I hate the mechanics of the mauraders, but I HATE the armored barons.

[woven moth]

Any word for when doom eternal PS4 will get mod support?

Or never?

[twin gale]

probably never

[polar osprey]

i dont think any game has modding

on consoles

becuyase of playstation's policies

[woven moth]

Fallout 4, Skyrim,

[lethal ibex]

I don't think consoles get mod support.

[polar osprey]

also you will ahve to learn playstation code or something, its not lik a computer

[twin gale]

most annoying enemy is the specter whiplash

for one you cant see it for two its a whiplash

[austere bronze]

1. cursed prowler
2. screecher
3. armored baron
4. stone imp
5. riot soldier

[twin gale]

oh yeah riot soldier too

[woven moth]

The ghost

[twin gale]

armored barons aren't even that annoying they're just barons with an extra step

i can see why they would be annoying if you miss the mace though

but you can kill them in one cycle if you're quick enough

[woven moth]

Yea

[lethal ibex]

I mean, I don't think they're the worst things ever.

But barons are pretty much bullet sponges, so adding armor just makes them a bit more annoying when they spawn in with a doom Hunter or tyrant.

[woven moth]

Yea

[twin gale]

both of them can be killed pretty fast

[woven moth]

I like how by endgame, doom hunters become trivial

[twin gale]

for the doom hunter just ice bomb, grenade, blood punch the sled then ssg the sled for good measure and then lock on burst the actual hunter

[lethal ibex]

Oh god, yeah. The ghost sucks.

Especially when they possess something like a maurader or tyrant.

[woven moth]

Just blood punch em to destroy the sled and all you gotta worry about is the shooting variant

[twin gale]

then once you shoot the mace on the baron a simple ssg+ballista combo can kill him in 4 or 5 cycles if you land enough pellets

[woven moth]

You run out of plasma ammo so you have to frantically find some before they decide to possess something

[ashen moss]

just upgraded from a 1650 to a 4060 and holy eternal is so different with raytracing 😭

[twin gale]

should be able to do it in 1 baron cycle and if you arent then he should be pretty weakened by the time you get to the second one

[ashen moss]

bro that fight in the holt where its two tyrants, one possessed and a doom hunter is so hard

[twin gale]

you should kill the doom hunter, tyrant, then possessed tyrant in that order

there are pillars to hide from the possessed tyrants death beam

and the regular ones too

[ashen moss]

the doom hunter never spawns until you kill one tyrant so i always go after the regular tyrant and then the doom hunter and then the possessed tyrant

[twin gale]

oh ok i didnt know that

[ashen moss]

nah youre good

[lethal ibex]

Again, I'm not saying it's the hardest challenge in doom.

But a possessed tyrant is a mega bullet sponge, and when other demons spawn in, it just makes it a game of cat and mouse.
Except the mouse has a gun, and the cat has armor.

[ashen moss]

i spent a solid like 15 minutes just trying to beat that fight because its also got two of the carcasses

carcasses + tyrants are not fun

[twin gale]

as long as you stay in the air should be able to dodge all carcass attacks beside the shield and when you're up high the shield doesnt matter anyway

and you can snipe the carcasses with a ballista + pb to kill them

[azure oriole]

What about mod compatibility? Do mods on Nexus have to be updated to be compatible with the beta, or are mods updated for 6.66 Rev 2 compatible?

[austere bronze]

they're broken as hell and one dimensional

[austere bronze]

nah, the spirit is good

[azure oriole]

I like Armored Barons.

[polar osprey]

they are enough of a nuisance to where youre like "i gotta get rid of this bitch"

and they arent bad to fight once u know how to deal with them

[azure oriole]

DLC demons are mostly good.
Good: Armored Barons, Riot Soldiers, Blood Maykrs.
Mediocre: Spirits, Cursed Prowlers, Screechers
Bad: Stone Imps, Demonic Troopers, Turrets

[austere bronze]

not really, they spend their tokens extremely passively, their AI FSM tree lack any action in many positions relative to the player and pathing is bad

[polar osprey]

ok true actualkly

[austere bronze]

only reason to deal with them is that their mace can act up

but even choosing to shoot it doesn't guarantee your safety lol, as it's quite common that they'll completely ignore you shooting their mace

[scenic nexus]

Hold on question, i noticed the fall mega event has the Doom 64 style for Slayer, is it real?

[austere bronze]

gets pretty annoying when their mace does CC

[ashen moss]

i actually just found out that you can use full auto shotgun mod to kill the stone imps

been playing tag2 since it came out and i never knew that until today when i saw it in the loading screen 😭

[austere bronze]

playing without tutorial be like

why tag2 demons kind suck can be summed as: broken and one dimensional

[ashen moss]

i had the tutorials turned off because they kept getting in my way during the main campaign lol

[austere bronze]

fair

[ashen moss]

it actually makes the stone imps so easy to deal w

[austere bronze]

true, still really boring enemy though

possessed stone imps😭

[azure oriole]

Rito soliders. Riot soliders. Riot soldiers.

If you say 'RIOT SOLDIERS' three times into the mirror you'll be met with extreme annoyance

[austere bronze]

only way to deal any meaningful damage is with FA

[ashen moss]

honestly the spirits are kinda weird

[azure oriole]

I don't like them

[ashen moss]

im like 90% sure it just doubles all stats, and it makes certain enemies so hard to deal w

[austere bronze]

and i mean, i love the mod, but forcing its usage is boring+if you wanna do it, have to player use it in the manner where it's good

[austere bronze]

they don't

[ashen moss]

ik for a fact it doubles health atleast w hell knights, cs instead of three rockets it takes six

[austere bronze]

and that's the point lol, they modulate combat and enhance decision making

they can serve as great utility for the player, due to how they interact with demons

generally they make demons take 0,33-0,5x damage

and then they increase speed (including projectiles) and make them immune to falters

i think most of the dislike of spirits/blood maykrs is unwarranted

[polar osprey]

TRUE

[austere bronze]

but people forget to hate on the turret... which is fair since it's so forgettable

[polar osprey]

i like them, theyre pretty cool

the spirit is keeping you on your toes to try to exterminate it while everything is trying to eat you alive

[austere bronze]

yeah, you really have to think of positioning and where you kill the spirit

also if you want to let it possess another demon

or if you wanna kill the demon it's trying to possess

[polar osprey]

mhm

[ashen moss]

the blood maykrs are actually pretty cool in the combat loop, especially since theyre just glorified maykr drones

[austere bronze]

they're way better than maykr drones

i dislike maykr drones because they take away both ammo and health economy management

[burnt moss]

I hate enemies with attack windows tbh. Kinda goes against the whole “rip and tear til it’s done” oh hang on, wait for it, gotta wait for him to turn green…

[austere bronze]

true, but that only really applies to the armored baron

the blood maykr has a long window along with a clear visual and sound cue, so you can simply turn to it when it's time

you can bypass the marauder's shield, bait his attack out, or time it so he attacks when you wanna deal with him

[azure oriole]

Or you can just not wait for the armoured baron, you can break their armor by just mindlessly shooting them.

[young mango]

Which is even slower

[real holly]

Spirits are fine to fight unless you box me in with them (LOOKING AT YOU THE HOLT)

Blood Makyrs? I think their cool, just don't get too close and I like fighting them

[woven moth]

Boom bebernal

[burnt moss]

My point is that’s still far more on brand for the Slayer

[burnt moss]

I’ve never been able to make those tricks work with the Marauder

[young mango]

I actually don’t know the relevancy of this

[real holly]

Says a lot about "in character"

[young mango]

Idek man

Maybe the point of the message was to confuse me

[azure oriole]

At least your not that one guy who walked back turned to it, shot every once and a while with the plasma rifle, and then calls the game bad.

[young mango]

Like “my point” implies something’s being clarified, and implies it’s your point, despite me having responded to somebody else, and then all of a sudden a conversation about gameplay suddenly becomes about holding up the integrity of the character you play as? I know this is a very blunt way of conveying these thoughts but I genuinely got hit with a little bit of a curveball there

[real holly]

Discord moment

Social skills and basic conversation knowledge be damned

Random topic change or insult pick your poison

[azure oriole]

You think discord users go outside? These are the same People who post memes about how they're scared to talk to women lmao

[young mango]

I’m outside currently do I win

[real holly]

The simulation glitched

[true heath]

Ow

[azure oriole]

Fake discord user.

Not real.
Matrix

[burnt moss]

I want the gameplay to have the same style as I imagine the slayer having. I want the momentum of just obliterating everything as it pops up, not waiting for permission to engage like we’re in the military

[burnt moss]

Sorry I just re-read. I mean shooting through armor instead of waiting patiently for a window is more in line with the Slayer’s unbridled rage. I want all enemies to have a non-patient, mad with fury, way to kill them.

[young mango]

I mean yeah it breaks the flow a little bit, in terms of what we have to work with shooting his weak point is still the most optimal. It’d be marginally slower and take a lot more ammo to not do so, idk, if you find it fun I guess

[real holly]

FINALLY got the last Horde mode reward

that took forever

now the only thing left in this game for me is battlemode (never touching that lol), Main Campaign UN and World Spear Master level

[young mango]

Those are fun

[real holly]

maybe if i do Main Campaign UN after I do World Spear ML il do Battlemode for the ''I 100% Doom Eternal'' bragging right

[young mango]

I mean does that ever end up being a good bragging right

100%ing it isn’t indicative of skill it’s just indicative of time

[fringe torrent]

Not a big one when like 1/5th of people here have done that

[young mango]

yeah

[real holly]

fair nuff

[young mango]

But good luck on the UN man

[real holly]

rather than a bragging right id add it to my statement on ''I like this game so much I 100% it'' and outside the Doom servers you wont find that many pro Doom Eternal players

and its nice to have something to add to my limited list of games i 100%

if i 100% Eternal ofc

[young mango]

If you want bragging rights in this game do a challenge run that seems very hard but is actually easier than it looks on paper ( I did that once )

[real holly]

the only ''bragging rights'' I have in this game are 100% all ML levels outside of World Spear and doing Tag 1 on UN

World Spear ive simply not had the time to try out lol

on another note learned how to do the punch thing to fire faster but i doubt ill use it in the near future bc my brain is not used to the weird inputs i have to do consistently to make it work

its not hard to do, its hard to do consistently and optimally in battle bc of how many buttons you have to press in order

[young mango]

It’s weird but it feels natural if you do it enough

[real holly]

maybe eventually ill get the hang of it

but for now ill settle with what I know, got me pretty far

[young mango]

Yeah

[candid juniper]

I don’t understand why the Icon of Sin has such a high damage resistance to the Unmaykr

Is it the same for the BFG?

[azure oriole]

Yes.

The bfg is just that much better

[young mango]

No, he’s actually weak to the BFG

As much as I hate the unmaykr I at least want to bash it for the things that are actually true

BFG deals 150% more than its normal damage output against the icon

Unmaykr deals 67% less than its normal damage output against the icon

[austere bronze]

that takes even longer and it wastes ammo
you can use the heat blast glitch against him, but that uses a heat blast (ofc) or a heat blast+the time you have to stand and shoot to get it

[young mango]

The heat blast glitch still works?

I was under the impression it got patched out

[austere bronze]

it works

you get both the fully damage from the hb and he's falterable afterwards

yeet blast is very neat against him

[twin gale]

last time i broke the armor on an armored baron was when i tried horde mode before i had the dlc

[austere bronze]

can't even link my video in videos lol

but i sent a clip of how good yeet blast is against armored barons

[woven moth]

Wooo

[real holly]

okay just beat World Spear ML on Nightmare, died a bunch here and there. This isnt as hard as Taras Nabad but it sure as hell feels waaaayyy longer

like by the end of it i was just begging the level to end

On another note I dont use BFG on my Nightmare runs to get a better grasp on each arena

but the magic is learnig where you can waste BFG ammo or not

this level is moreso an endurance test

than a nightmarish challenge like Taras Nabad

maybe it is if you dont use the hammer idk im not gonna find out

one thing that confuses me is why theres not a signle tag 1 official master level

they could have done plenty with UAC Atlantica

the other two levels I can see less ML potential

[queen crag]

Hey, would anyone want to help me get 200 kills in multi-player?

[young mango]

Cultist base would’ve been an awesome master level if balanced like Taras nabad

[real holly]

disagree

i prefer less excruciating gameplay

[young mango]

cultist and arc is before they knew what the playerbase could do, and before they really even knew what they wanted to do with MLs

[real holly]

the better you get at doom eternal the more you like harder levels and the less you like ''easier'' levels so the way I see it I like Cultist Base bc of my current skill level

[young mango]

The newer MLs have gimmicks and whatnot, the ones at launch are the same thing with different enemy placement

[real holly]

I just beat MLs for the rewards I dont actually like SGN, MC or TN like those are just a pain to playthrough

i feel like im just surviving them shits

barely

the more experienced players will go ''I like the archville room'' well i dont

or ''I like The Holt''

the more experienced players favourite boss tends to be Samur

[young mango]

That’s a stretch, the holt barring the slayer gate and samur is a really tame level

[real holly]

just a pattern im noticing

the more experienced players by defaul will enjoy some levels that are torture to lesser players

ill say ''this ML was a pain because of x reason'' and they will disagree outside of Marauder bc well hes broken

im not demonizing people for disagreeing here im just pointing out something I noticed

[young mango]

“People who are good at hard content like hard content” isn’t really a hot take, you’re just phrasing it differently

[real holly]

pretty much

i also think some people prefer their games to keep them on edge as much as possible while others would rather take a slwoer approach

like I saw some player much worse than me go ''I like the Archville room in Taras Nabad ML bc of the rush it gives me''

different people enjoy different things who would have guessed

I dont enjoy games that just stress me the hell out, thats why even though I beat these MLs on UN its moreso a test of my skill than an actual enjoyable experience

[young mango]

Why do something you don’t enjoy for the sole purpose of proving to yourself you’re capable of doing something you don’t enjoy?

[real holly]

its to prove to myself im somewhat decent at this game

thats why I did Tag 1 on UN, I enjoyed UAC Atlantica and Blood Swamps, but not The Holt

most of my time playing this game isnt on these parts I dont enjoy, I just talk about them more

[real holly]

I like having little markers on my profile and the weapons that say ''hey I managed to do this somewhat hard thing''

[pearl pollen]

how do you know all of the enemy-weapon multipliers?

[young mango]

There’s a spreadsheet in the pinned messages of this channel, I have the broad strokes memorized tho

[pearl pollen]

thanks!

[real holly]

hmm let me check that out

[young mango]

there’s also my thing there too, although that’s speedrun stuff

[austere bronze]

yeah, TN ML generally has arenas that are too dragged out

it's also a pretty long level

[azure oriole]

What's your guys favourite ballista skin!!!

[real holly]

uhhh the dragon one ig

[azure oriole]

I like the battle mech one, (the purple one).

[austere bronze]

very true

[young mango]

I usually stick with the base, but lux is cool

[austere bronze]

i generally enjoy stuff that challenges me the most

[austere bronze]

i'll send it in screenshots

[azure oriole]

Which ones that?

[austere bronze]

modded skin

[azure oriole]

Favourite unmodded?

[austere bronze]

no clue lmao

from the ones i got, probably ray tracer

pairs really well with a red/purple ballista VFX recolour too

[azure oriole]

Also the rocket launcher has the best skins in the game.

[noble ocean]

Was it just me or was Arc Complex Master Level a walk in the park compared to the nonsense in Super Gore Nest Master Level?

[young mango]

That’s a sentiment everybody can agree with

The Arc Complex and Cultist Base levels respectively were made at launch, balanced before they made TAG1&2, and before they saw what the playerbase could do.

So they just kind of end up being around the same ballpark as Final Sin

[noble ocean]

Did the Bethesda servers crash?

[sullen patrol]

why-?

[noble ocean]

Unable to connect to game services. Is it due to maintenance?

[sullen patrol]

mmm maybe, im playing call of duty

i don't know

[azure oriole]

Yeah

Is it just me who likes to trick shot demons I know are low?

[twin gale]

is there a lore reason why marauders cant walk up stairs and have to jump up them instead

is it a sentinel combat technique or something

[azure oriole]

Trauma, he once fell down the stairs as a kid and his parents weren't home at the time... He layed there sad for the next 3 hours.

[twin gale]

good

[austere bronze]

poor marauder💔

he didn't deserve that

[azure oriole]

#videos is this toxic?

[twin gale]

how tf did you do thatpl

[austere bronze]

nah that's sexy

punch boosts are something i really want to use, but don't currently

[twin gale]

wish i knew that existed

[real holly]

He totally did

Especially after the Master level incident

[austere bronze]

i'd like you to look the marauder in his eyes and say that

[twin gale]

i will next time i fight him

[azure oriole]

I just hit a shield boost into Dblade

I felt so cool doing it.

As a controller player I know I'm never going to be able to do the most crazy swap tech, so I find other cool stuff like implementing punch boosting into combat.

[true heath]

Finally I got my Slayer's club rewards

Just had to annoy Bethesda support for a bit

[sullen patrol]

master levels incident??

[pearl pollen]

you can still get those?

[true heath]

Yeah but you have to bully Bethesda support

[azure oriole]

#videos hit another.

[young mango]

Maybe you could also practice wall dashing, or ballista boosting, you might like it

Wall dashing is far more situational but at the same time there’s no shortage of geo that is walldash-able

[azure oriole]

I do ballista boost my favourite thing is doing it into a punch and then a Dblade. I don't know what a wall dash is.

[azure oriole]

Situational is punch boosting lmao.

[young mango]

Some walls if dashed into at an angle, preferably 45°, will cancel your dash and you’ll maintain a good portion of the momentum, kind of like a lesser shield dash

[azure oriole]

So it's like a shield dash for before you unlock the shield?

[young mango]

Wall dashes are bound to eat a least a teeny bit of your momentum cuz friction with the geo you’re cancelling the dash on, no such problem exists with shield dashes because it’s not your hitbox that the dash gets cancelled on, so you get all the momentum

[young mango]

I mean it’s also a method that doesn’t require an enemy to work, so it has things that distinguish it enough to not be rendered completely obsolete

also being able to basically pop one off given you have good geo and a dash, unlike the chain gun where you’d need to wait for the thing to charge up, which doesn’t take long, but it’s nice to have more options

[azure oriole]

Is it just me or are Arachnid turrets are two things... A sling shot, or a turret? Afrer all it has no collision but a punch box.

I haven't tried it, but if you punched it would you get a punch boost?

[young mango]

the turret? Oh yeah, its used in speedruns, although the arachnotrons hitbox gets in the way, so the arachnotron is chainsawed, and the melee lunge area on the turret remains until the arachnotron fades away shortly after

this same kinda thing is why punchboosting off of cacos after glory killing them is possible

[azure oriole]

Which glory kill direction makes that possible?

[young mango]

Directly in front of it is what I see used, and what I’ve used myself when I’ve done it. Although I’m not sure if that actually effects anything ( probably for the sake of convenience so the player exits the glory kill as close to the melee lunge area as possible )

[hallow escarp]

can someone on ps5 help me and my friend boost the battlemode trophies? add crustyironblade

[lethal ibex]

I finally did it.
I beat horde mode on nightmare.

[candid juniper]

Slob has been a pain to get down

[fast dove]

so, i found a moding site that works for doom eternal (no, im not using it to get acheivments, im just messing around with it) its call wemod, and its free

[burnt moss]

I gave up on it. Gg

[candid juniper]

I can do it but not consistently atm

I’ll get it down eventually

[candid juniper]

You on console?

[burnt moss]

Yeah Xbox

[candid juniper]

Makes sense. I did watch this guide video where OP was on console so it’s definitely possible

But I’ve never bothered to get that good on console so I wouldn’t know exactly how hard it is to master

[burnt moss]

Oh I know it is. But my patience for these tricks is low. The most skill-based thing I do is quick swapping. Otherwise I just play as intended.

[blazing horizon]

Idk if this is where to ask but i cannot find anything that helps online. Has anyone had the issue with using a headset and when the game launches, it sounds like shit?

[vapid bobcat]

Samur hurts my very soul, even on the easiest difficulty

[real holly]

As someone who beat tag 1 on UN Samur is the 70% of the reason why I have such bad memories

[vapid bobcat]

also does anyone know how to get the slayer key in the holt?

[azure oriole]

why is his arena so crowded?

[real holly]

Samurs problem in my eyes is just how claustrophobic the final phase is

[real holly]

I'll fight Possesed demons any day just not in those enclosed conditions where I feel like I'm on a chokehold by the blood Makyr and two Possesed demons. I'll admit the Dread Knight can be avoided much better than the pain elemental but still

[azure oriole]

Now imagine if that fight still had tentacles like originally planned

[vapid bobcat]

i was punched through a portal multiple times by a blood maykr

[real holly]

That would have been duable if you just chainsawed them and/or shit them, unless they regenerated

[real holly]

Straight up devilish of them

[azure oriole]

That would be so funny I hope somebody makes it a real thing

[real holly]

Well Horde mode coins segment in Samurs arena has tentacles so there's that

[azure oriole]

Yeah but it's missing the samur 😦

[real holly]

Good I hate the guy

[azure oriole]

[real holly]

Fake ass boss it's moreso two actual fights against the guy and the rest are arenas

[vapid bobcat]

i saw a video on the slayer gate in the holt and 3 arch-viles and a possesed marauder make me not wanna do it but i wanna get all the support runes

[real holly]

It's like

The extra life one is pointless really

You can't get it in UN for one which is funny but also makes sense

[azure oriole]

At least horde mode makes it useful

[real holly]

The blood punch one I've never found legitimate use for and the weak point one is the only one I like

[real holly]

Yeah

[vapid bobcat]

how many times do you have to do it?

[real holly]

Yeah I'll give it that

They managed to keep it on par with the visuals of Urdak

While making it look really good

[azure oriole]

Someone should make Original TAG 1+ mod

[real holly]

I'm surprised there isn't a single official tag 1 master level

[azure oriole]

And add that shit

[true heath]

I had to do it twice

[digital flare]

I have two victory poses for Slayer, but I can't select them. Why's that?

[azure oriole]

the skin isnt compatible

probably

[digital flare]

Oh, that was it

I feel stupid now XD
Thanks

I just bought The Ancient Gods and these came along

I had no idea what was happening lol

[queen mauve]

Any tips for TAG 2 un? I can barley get past world spear

[azure oriole]

Make sure your restack game is on point

[queen mauve]

What is restack

@azure oriole

[azure oriole]

Like keeping your health and armor up

With the hammer it's easier than ever

[queen mauve]

I can barely get past that really big tentacle

[azure oriole]

Have your destroyer blade fully charged before he emerges, fire, then hit him with super shotgun and he's done

[queen mauve]

I just got whooped by the guy with the ball

[next adder]

I really have to know why they have Hayden say the Icon will get stronger on earth so many times

[fast dove]

chat, my tab in-game isnt working

[young mango]

if you've alt tab'd, just press alt again and tab will work

[fast dove]

thx

[next adder]

Whenever I fight the Khan Maykr I just abuse the man cannon in the center of the map. Its hilarious

[queen mauve]

Any tips for TAG 2 UN?

[azure oriole]

spam the hammer and use air control

[burnt moss]

Don’t die

[abstract plover]

anybody wanna help me get the battlemode achievements on doom eternal

[lucid siren]

Not really, just have fun with it. The Cursed Prowler's a pain, so try to kill him before he bites you.

[lucid siren]

I've never had problems with that personally. 🤷

[abstract plover]

bro anyone down cause

im fr stuck with those achievements

[queen mauve]

Me

Only if you help me with 1

Afterwards

[abstract plover]

ofc i can

what is the achievement

[queen mauve]

Blood bath

[abstract plover]

is that in ancient gods ?

[queen mauve]

Battle mode

[abstract plover]

nvm its in