doom-eternal

[austere bronze]

Ssg ballista is like the very basic introduction to quick switching

Move on as soon as you got it down

[polar osprey]

anything ballista is the very basic introduction tbh

pb ballista is also good i think

[jagged knot]

I’m gonna play eternal now

[azure oriole]

i cant pb+ballista anymore

I have punch swap brainrot

[austere bronze]

Pb+ssg for short range
Pb+ballista for long range/cacos and pain elementals
Pb+rocket as the default/mid range
Pb+sticky bomb as the default/short+mid range

You can do pb rocket and pb sticky bomb extremely fast, with the right timing

[jagged knot]

are you just sending combos?

[hot moon]

the zombie skin......how do you get it?

[azure oriole]

send a ticket to bethesda support

[polar osprey]

i think you have to join the uhhh

one of the servers

should tell you it on the main doom menu

[hot moon]

in the discord or the website?

[rancid sky]

slayer club?

[polar osprey]

yes

[azure oriole]

website

[hot moon]

bet

[urban lagoon]

spent 10 minutes trying to get into a battlemode game, 100%ing Eternal is going to be a pain

[untold path]

[sly oyster]

[untold path]

I will get my bunny back

[azure oriole]

daisy

Fuck I got rusty

Iam cooked

[left bone]

same, i used to destroy this game on nightmare, now im stuck on cultist base

[polar osprey]

you can always tone down the difficulty

[left bone]

havent even got to the slayer gate yet 🤣

[austere bronze]

You regain lost skills fast

[left bone]

another thing i discovered after reinstalling windows that I have been playing with mouse acceleration enabled for years

now i disabled it i got a lot of muscle memory to relearn.. idk how I played like that 😅

[low ingot]

Hey quick question but why doesn’t the dread knight have skins?

Was it a last minute adjustment

[fringe torrent]

He was added in at the very end of the game's development in its last content update

[coral wagon]

Guys I can’t get myself excited for dark age and I’m really trying. Looks like they stripped every skill mechanic from eternal and then put it in slomo. I guess they’re trying to go for mass appeal over core audience?

[low ingot]

Was there any reason to add him in the first place

[fringe torrent]

More content is nice

[austere bronze]

what makes you think they stripped skill from the game?

[left bone]

im trying not to be a downer but i feel like you do

plus an 80$ slapped on it.. gonna wait till steam sales and pick it up for 20

[austere bronze]

genuinely, why?

[young mango]

You’re judging trailer gameplay against its predecessors, which have a plethora of content online about them, you’re most likely forming a bias, go watch the trailers for 2016 and eternal, the gameplay isn’t very riveting there either, it’s not meant to be, it’s to show the literal bare minimum of the mechanics

[young mango]

Trying to criticize an entire game off tech demo gameplay is insane

[left bone]

theres a couple of things. generally this "tank vision" idk how it turns out, i enjoyed the fast gameplay, the different tools grenades, flame belch etc gave a nice skill ceiling. I dont like it being dumbed down to contextual. Glory kills gutted to generic kick/slap animation. Story with more cutscenes, I hate it, I liked the codex/mute guy storytelling, it was on point. I dont need more NPCs NPC-ing. I generally hate mini games or vehicle combat, seems this game will have more of this.. Anyways im happy to be proven wrong but I will hold onto my money for now

[young mango]

nothings really been dumbed down, contextual inputs also apply to something as simple as not punching an enemy when going in for a glory kill

[austere bronze]

quoting someone else here

"Raw game speed =/= Speed of play ; play is compromised of a variety of mechanical and player induced inputs and decisions. The raw game speed may be slower, it does not mean you'll be making less decisions, or not be engaged."

I personally have very high hopes for glory kills, hopefully you'll be able to "combo" demons, and not just with random weapon spam, but something more akin to a fighter game for example

don't like cutscenes? skip them lmao

althought the mech combat I also dislike

[left bone]

well for what its worth i hope it turns out to be great game, I enjoyed the IP a great deal 👍

[austere bronze]

same, I loved Eternal (and am loving, playing it right now lol) so I wouldn't mind DE 2, but this is also neat

[fiery dagger]

that was smthing

anyway

cant lie they should just made doom eternal 2. tag 1 was really good not too hard not too easy. a few new things. tag 2 just felt like more tutorial and baby steps

its cool showcasing the hammer but u cant do that in the span of 3 lvls

[azure oriole]

"Doom Eternal 2" would've been awful. We have mods for that sort of thing.

I'm glad The Dark Ages is trying to be its own installment and not just more of the same exact gameplay.

[austere bronze]

3 levels was more than enough of the hammer

[fringe torrent]

Expecting id to make a consistent game continuation is expecting dissapointment anyway

They innovate all the god damn time, every single game of theirs is unique from eachother, except for DOOM II to DOOM I

[left bone]

idk I could never get behind the hammer thing, cool concept but gameplay .. eh

[coral wagon]

Dude Hugo outright brags about only needing to press 3 buttons. Plus it being totally grounded means it’s slower and easier no matter what. Aside from obvious movement tech there are also visibly obvious nerfs to tech like hot swapping. Look at how long it takes to switch weapons

[tame topaz]

Doom 2 is different from 1 in a lot of ways.

[austere bronze]

it's stupidly overpowered, yeah

[fiery dagger]

clearly not for them since they just kept having those stupid arenas where its just a boring freebie. eg the literal final final fight ever of all of doom before the dark lord is a showcase of stone imps and how cool the full auto can be with haste

overdrive*

[fringe torrent]

It is different but the differences are not that major, you can categorize them into one without being wrong as they play the same other than some additions

[austere bronze]

certainly a.. take

[young mango]

Why are you under the impression it will be easier with grounded gameplay? That doesn’t strike you as challenging but somehow staying in the air 15 seconds at a time does?

[austere bronze]

I hate how low Elden Ring's skill roof is

it's so sad, truly

[left bone]

there might be a suit upgrade or something for weapon swap, I would be surprized if they totally benched hotswapping

[austere bronze]

just because it's slow, the skill roof is also low

[fiery dagger]

dunno abt anyone else but i am starting to think doom tda is gonna be similar gameplay to destiny

thats just what i saw

[tame topaz]

What.

[coral wagon]

Bc you only have to worry about bullets from 2 dimensions. No matter how much they crank the projectile speed up it must necessarily be slower to keep the game from being unplayable

[tame topaz]

It's almost like they're making up for it by turning the game into a bullet hell.

[coral wagon]

Also shield looks like hammer on steroids in terms of a get out of jail free card

[fiery dagger]

grounded few guns and a wave like pve more defensive

[hasty ingot]

It wouldn't be called that anyway

[young mango]

Also how could you know if there were nerfs to tech? Why would they have tech in the trailer? They’d patch it out if they knew about tech prior to the release

[tame topaz]

Kinda like the classics.

[fiery dagger]

plus the more open type feel

not that i want it to

[azure oriole]

You realize he's bragging about this because it's addressing a complaint with Eternal and its unnecessary button bindings, right? Like having a button to switch equipment and another to throw it when there's only two kinds of equipment.

[tame topaz]

I don't understand how more grounded gameplay automatically forfeits skilled play.

[fiery dagger]

wdym

[azure oriole]

The control scheme being easier doesn't mean the game itself is easier. It means you can play the game in a skilled manner without having to give yourself carpal tunnel syndrome.

[austere bronze]

the raw game speed doesn't inherently equate to the speed of the game mechanically or in the amount of decision making required by the player, the latter dictates the "true speed" of the game

[fiery dagger]

i wasnt comparing it as a 1 to 1 copy i just said its like

tho

doom eternal trailers look slow

[austere bronze]

yeah, the difference between this and actual gameplay is wild
https://youtu.be/FkklG9MA0vM?list=LL&t=76

[young mango]

I had made a similar point earlier

also that encounter in Urdak doesn’t exist in the final product

Wack

[austere bronze]

tons of stuff doesn't match up with the final product

[gloomy crescent]

Hey guys I made some mega construx and Lego based Doom Eternal demons and characters... If you wanna see them check out #merch-showcase
It's in there :3
I thought you guys would appreciate it

[young mango]

A lot of those encounters are different yes but the one in Urdak is the only one I see in there to just not exist in any form currently

[coral wagon]

Ostensibly the grenades, equipment and blood punch will all be combined into one melee, which will simplify the regen loop

[azure oriole]

Simpler does not mean easier.

The original Doom games are much simpler than Eternal but I've played classic Doom WADs that make a lot of Eternal look like a picnic by comparison. Complexity is not synonymous with difficulty, and neither are synonymous with quality.

[fiery dagger]

i hope for tda that its just the unmakyr the super weapon. doom 2016 was just bfg and de was both

[coral wagon]

Don’t be myopic I’m responding to someone on one point of many I’ve laid out

[fiery dagger]

and in tda make it way more powerful

[austere bronze]

I am confident TDA will provide a very high school roof, probably somewhat similar to DE's

[fiery dagger]

have we hit the skill roof yet?

of de

[young mango]

This is a fruitless conversation, you wanna complain about the gameplay loop? Complain when you actually know how it works, when any of us know how it works, all you’re doing is dissecting a trailer and feeling mighty confident because of it

[coral wagon]

But do the math. Aerobatics, dash and movement speed gone. Even on nightmare it will be fundamentally easier because the developers implicitly expect you to account for fewer variables

[austere bronze]

no, some people have gotten really good, but no one is at the skill roof

[fiery dagger]

like how good

[azure oriole]

Again, complexity does not equal difficulty.

[fiery dagger]

de no dmg unm?

thats too luck based no skill

[azure oriole]

By that logic there are zero Classic Doom WADs that are harder than Doom Eternal.

[austere bronze]

pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbP9hJhTovU&t

[azure oriole]

Which is verifiably wrong because slaughtermaps and shit are a known tenet of the classic Doom community. Sunlust kicks your ass way harder than TAG1 and in Sunlust you still cannot even jump.

[coral wagon]

repeating Reddit tier platitudes isn’t persuasive to me

[azure oriole]

"Um, you sound like a Redditor lol" isn't very convincing of a counter-argument either.

I'm stating a literal common sense fact about game design, from somebody who works in game design, and backing it up with an example. You're whining about Reddit.

[young mango]

so, may I ask, you carry yourself as if you are quite seasoned with the doom series, your confidence is near unwavering, entertain me for a bit and show me what your gameplay in any of the nu dooms looks like for reference

[coral wagon]

Still nothing of substance said

[austere bronze]

we're at the point where people can UN even the hardest custom content in Eternal

[coral wagon]

But note how you reeled when named a Redditor

[young mango]

Because it’s a logical fallacy

[azure oriole]

I reeled when someone said something moronic to me and acted like they made a point lmao.

[coral wagon]

Is this who dark age was made for?

[austere bronze]

probably not anything astounding lol

[fiery dagger]

i am starting to push pretty far. i remember thinking i would never beat sgn on unm. i am 2 seconds from beating world spear unm now.

but my main issue

i can never get air mastered.

[fiery dagger]

like this clip u see this guy flying abt

[coral wagon]

What would be productive is if how you outlined how stripping movement to 2d and lowering enemy/bullet speed makes things more difficult other than total unplayable bullet hell, which feels artificial and unfun

I’d love to hear an above or below 110iq take on that. I’m trying to be optimistic about this

[young mango]

We legit know nothing about the game, you are astoundingly confident for something you know nothing about

and you are the antithesis of optimism

[austere bronze]

IQ is genuinely not relevant at all here

[azure oriole]

I'm not really in the mood to draw things out in crayon for somebody who will answer any counter-argument with buzzwords and ignoring the actual point. If you play Doom you should be well aware how delegating movement to 2D and lowering projectile speed should impact gameplay, because the series was like this for a decade before it moved on with Doom 3.

[coral wagon]

You’re right when it comes to dark age I’m afraid

[young mango]

this is straight dunning kruger, smart people do not bring up iq in day to day conversations

[austere bronze]

it isn't too hard to get the fundamental idea of staying in the air for long times down, here's an older message explaining it
#doom-eternal message

[azure oriole]

There is a reason why Doom has had a thriving map-making community for decades, and there is further a reason why TDA is harkening back to that design philosophy that made Doom successful.

[young mango]

Also fatcoinpurse, green beaver, naturally

[azure oriole]

Maybe if you go back and play those games you can find out what that reason is.

[coral wagon]

You literally can’t come up with anything lmao

[austere bronze]

I'd say I've gotten good at playing very aerial in DE, so you can feel free to ask if you want any more guidance

[fiery dagger]

thanks. i will have a look into this.

yk people get so skilled at de

[young mango]

you might be a bit engrossed with m0no, take as much time as you need, but I’d love if you could address some of the things I said to you, you don’t want to give me the impression you’re dodging what I’m saying

[fiery dagger]

do you think they will still play it as much when tda drops

[left bone]

interesting, i never mastered this either, thanks for the writeup

[austere bronze]

I will, or at least almost as much

[azure oriole]

You really should consider playing the Doom games, my man.

You're mistaking me not wanting to entertain you being willfully ignorant with not knowing what to say. You've already demonstrated that you'll ignore whatever I actually bring up, so why would I bother going through the effort of listing these obvious design tenets of games that have been out for decades that you should already know about?

[austere bronze]

once you get the general idea of staying in the air for a long time, there's a lot of other stuff to cover (how/when to go on the ground, ballista boosting in the air, general traversal, confusing enemies etc)

[azure oriole]

You'll just ignore it anyway, that's just kind of how ragebaiters on Discord work.

[fiery dagger]

wrong forward

key example

like seeing stuff like this is why the game is so good. you can never stop getting better

[fringe torrent]

This Plobbus guy sounds skilled!

[young mango]

Yes he does

[austere bronze]

he's mid, masterzero clears

[young mango]

Mero zaster

[austere bronze]

he's so zased

[fiery dagger]

zeromaster is mental. he learns so quick. like didnt he beat d2016 unm 3 days after launch

[fringe torrent]

I hear an AnomeQ player is emerging to be no.1

[fringe torrent]

Plobbus is insane too, awesome speedruns, would love to meet one day

[fiery dagger]

who are they

[austere bronze]

I'm not very impressed personally

[young mango]

Me 😛

[fiery dagger]

as in yk them?

ohhh lol. jesus christ ur good

[fringe torrent]

You are speaking to real Plobbie Tammie....

[fiery dagger]

why is it cuz 2016 was cheesable?

[fringe torrent]

Plobbus not Plobbie lol

[austere bronze]

honestly, I wonder when I'll reach your hours on the game Tammie, and where I'll be by then

[azure oriole]

This stuff with 2016 and Eternal is impressive but I myself would probably be more inclined to "master" The Dark Ages. It just looks like it plays way more like the classic games, and while I love every Doom's gameplay that stuff is where I feel most comfortable when it comes to "high level" play.

[austere bronze]

idk about his 2016 skills, not very interested in the game

[fringe torrent]

Not in a good place

[azure oriole]

The bigger levels, emphasis on precise movement and weaving your way around projectiles, the melee system - it all looks great.

[fringe torrent]

2300 hours is wild

[young mango]

you won’t, achilles paradox

[fiery dagger]

its fun shooting but ig it gets a bit boring. just run and gun

[austere bronze]

nerd, math, no time for DE, I'll surpass your hour count

[fiery dagger]

closer to 2.4k hours now

[austere bronze]

oh yeah, I did an arena from Tormented Earth just now, and was positively surprised

I have struggled an insane amount on it before, but now I managed to stay for the most part on max armor and health, and never took any health damage

but it was quite a bit since I played it last tbf

[austere bronze]

yeah, the issue with 2016 is how little actual creativity and skill expression existed

creativity isn't just firing the ssg over.. and over... and over

[fiery dagger]

siege mode was just a joke

[coral wagon]

Idk bros it feels like a cash grab and I can’t rule it out after what they did to Mack gordo

[young mango]

What they did the mack gordo🔥🔥💯

[azure oriole]

Incredible

[coral wagon]

Look it’s fine if you can’t handle the movement and prefer something more accessible. Just don’t cope about it and say it has as much of a skill curve/depth

[young mango]

are you only capable of attacking peoples character or are you incapable of coming up with real actual rebuttals?

[coral wagon]

Well actually I wish you would say it but provided some reasons why

[coral wagon]

He hasn’t said anything of substance for me to rebut. I’m begging him to

[azure oriole]

Refer to this message: #doom-eternal message

[austere bronze]

okay, this gets me kinda annoyed, TDA can very much have the same skill roof as Eternal, or even an even higher
here's proof I'm not "coping"
https://youtu.be/8HLv-VJQYO0?t=26

[coral wagon]

I’m not readin allat

[young mango]

You’re illiterate

[azure oriole]

Yeah you're a moron. I'm done humoring whatever this is you're doing. Have a good day.

[coral wagon]

Another personal attack

[normal iron]

What happened here

[trim heath]

Brah,i was doing a puzzle normally and a cacodemon spawned on the Middle of the puzzle😭

[left bone]

yea imagine if myazaki designed puzzles for DE

[coral wagon]

I’m open to that, but how? You know what you’re talking about mechanically with DE so I’d love to hear you’re thoughts

[trim heath]

But it has

[austere bronze]

quoting what I said earlier:

the raw game speed doesn't inherently equate to the speed of the game mechanically or in the amount of decision making required by the player, the latter dictates the "true speed" of the game

[coral wagon]

I gotchu. Sorry I missed that before

[normal iron]

"if you want to solve it, you need to find hidden under random box a little piece of key, and you need to find all 4, after you need to find hidden door, behind fake wall, after you need to do specific moves, and then you will solve puzzle"

[austere bronze]

enemies can provide a sense of utility for the player (as they did in DE), and utilizing that utlity may require a lot of dexterity or other skills

[coral wagon]

I still run into the same issue gaming this out tho

[austere bronze]

and I'd imagine the game can place an even higher emphasis on positioning, since the weakened movement can actually make the game more complex in some ways

I am too however a bit worried

a bit worried, but generally optimistic

the whole "1 button does many things" is meh to me

[coral wagon]

That is true with positioning but in that case now you have something more adjacent with non-doom shooters

[azure oriole]

Something to consider is the simplification of some mechanics leads to there being more emphasis on skillful play in other areas. For example, getting hit by an Imp fireball in Doom Eternal isn't as big of a deal as it can be in the original Doom games.

TDA seems to be leaning to a design philosophy the original games embraced, where the control scheme and moveset is simpler but juxtaposed by simpler actions carrying more meaning. In classic Doom a lot of your success hinges on your situational awareness and ability to dodge projectiles. In Eternal you can overwhelm enemies quickly, you have a seizure on the keyboard and you switch through 5 weapons in a couple seconds, blasting an Archvile to pieces.

[oblique jacinth]

Not so fun fact:There are a lot of people who think HL2 is better than DE.

[left bone]

unfair comparison imo

[azure oriole]

In TDA your actions look more deliberate and simple. You have to weave your way around enemies and take them more seriously, a crowd of demons will likely overwhelm you a lot faster than they could in Eternal.

[austere bronze]

yeah, Eternal is more based on minimizing damage taken, not eliminating it

you will take a lot of damage, therefore you can heal a lot

[azure oriole]

Yeah exactly. It's kind of impossible to play Eternal and not get hit once throughout the playthrough. But I'd wager in TDA something like this will seem more feasible.

[austere bronze]

TDA will probably be in between DE and Elden Ring for example in that regard

[azure oriole]

Because, like - Eternal has like three different mechanics that let you replenish your resources, and it's focused specifically on how you attack enemies, right? If you're out of a certain resource, like Rocket Launcher ammo, you just chainsaw an Imp and get it. It's a cycle of rejuvenating your own resources by constantly attacking enemies.

In TDA they'll likely focus more on collecting resources around the map itself. That sounds simpler but in reality it'll result in more interesting combat scenarios, because in Eternal you always have your full arsenal (once it's unlocked). Whenever you run out of ammo, just chainsaw, get it back.

[coral wagon]

The issue to me remains that in dark ages for strafing left and right to be sufficiently challenging it has to be very damaging/a bullet hell which translates to the player being more passive/careful. that is less compelling gameplay

[azure oriole]

But in the classic games, you have limited ammo and there's only so much ammo in the map itself. If you run out of rockets, fuck you - that's on you, go find some or use a different weapon.

[normal iron]

Guys, is playing doom eternal on console that hard?.. I just saw videos, where in comments talking about that playing doom eternal on console is masochism

[azure oriole]

Limitations breed creativity. When you have game mechanics that limit your combat ability it encourages you to excel more in other areas, without artificial shit like outright taking away weapons for a sequence or something. That was a flaw with Eternal. TDA can fix that by rewarding exploration and actual resource management like the original games did.

[austere bronze]

console gameplay
https://youtu.be/B0zqciiyUBU?t=28

[coral wagon]

It’s majorly suboptimal bc of not having weapons bound to individual keys + usual kbm advantages but you can still play at a high enough level to clear UN consistently (I’m a console pleb)

Also being able to crank up fps helps with certain things like bhopping

[normal iron]

Well, I never used Keys to choose weapons, it's just uncomfortable, I'm faster scrolling mice than it

[austere bronze]

Eternal on console is suboptimal, but you can still get very good, and some things are even easier on there

[normal iron]

In any ever games I never used it

[austere bronze]

I always show this video whenever someone says DE on console is much harder than on PC lol

the movement isn't the best, but the quick switching is pretty good

[polar osprey]

that doesnt look like controller gameplay, some movements look a bit odd

imo atleast

[austere bronze]

that is very much achievable at console

I don't see anything odd at least

[normal iron]

I didn't said it's harder, I'm just confused about people who writing it like it's forbidden thing

[austere bronze]

oh yeah, I know, sorry for framing it in that way

[normal iron]

It is console, I was playing doom eternal on console 3 years ago,(I managed to get to the half of absolute nightmare)

Now I'm on pc

[austere bronze]

noice

[coral wagon]

Maybe it could be a cook if resource management is reworked, but I feel like the incentive structure will encourage just cheesing at range/popping out of cover, etc.

Like I loved doom 3 but i never want to go back to that

[austere bronze]

demons seem to be dropping ammo/health when "glory killed", so I hope that the better you combo them with weapons and melee, the more resources you gain

[coral wagon]

And we can see in the gameplay you do still get resources from enemies so I doubt you’ll have to worry about that

[austere bronze]

I'm not very worried over it being a cover game

[coral wagon]

Yeah I’m assuming depending on the melee type you get more of one too

[polar osprey]

there IS the modular difficulty stuff

[azure oriole]

My ideal way this works is that you maybe get small amounts of resources from killing enemies, but mostly have to rely on environmental resources.

[polar osprey]

which has a setting for resources dropped

[azure oriole]

Which tells me the game likely has a focus on environmental resources to keep it playable even if that slider is down to 0.

[polar osprey]

yeah

[coral wagon]

I think it could be fun if they still discourage you sitting in one spot taking pot shots from behind cover, so maybe you’re forced to lumber forward and aggressively parry/keep pressure but I’m not seeing any indication of that in the trailer

It would still be a downgrade from eternal but could still be fun

[austere bronze]

Yeah cover shooters are mid as fuck, but I doubt TDA will be one, you seem to be getting resources from the enemies, and the shield seems to enable you to go running into the field

I won't enjoy it as much as Eternal personally though, as the inherent slower gameplay and more 2D combat isn't as appealing to me

[azure oriole]

I doubt I'll like it more than Eternal but I'd really love to. I'm really into what they showed off.

[oblique jacinth]

Realistic shooters trying not tosuck and be repetitive as fuck:

[polar osprey]

well, even in the game they kinda said you will not need cover

"you will feel like an iron tank, fast but unstoppable" or something

[austere bronze]

Yeah Eternal was an excellent shooter, but a decent bit of what made it very good was accidental stuff, which makes me think they can't pull of something like that again

[oblique jacinth]

TDA is going to be more like the later parts of DOOM2,lots of monsters on open areas.

[violet zealot]

SWAT 4 and Ready Or Not are fun as fuck, honestly

[violet zealot]

This I may be slightly worried about

Like what if that means you just take jack nothing in terms of damage?

[polar osprey]

theyll make it balanced, its id

[azure oriole]

Yeah which, again just feels like Classic Doom. That to me is what this seems to be about. Dodge projectiles, but stand your ground and keep pushing forward through the horde. In Doom Eternal you see enemies and do this elaborate verticality dance where you're meathooking around the place like a chimpanzee gymnast - here I think it'll simply play like a boomer shooter.

[polar osprey]

you will definitely have to dodge shit

[oblique jacinth]

BUT....the problem is OG DoomGuy is fast as fuck,he just lack moves.DoomSlayer is like a fucking turtle without dash and meathook.

[violet zealot]

Every single game they’ve made is an unbalanced mess lol

[azure oriole]

Like to me that's what this overwhelmingly looks like, is a boomer shooter. Simple shooting, simple movement, relatively simple melee, but the various elements come together in a complex manner to where you can switch one enemy for another and have a completely different combat situation.

[polar osprey]

what i meant is that they wont make it "you take jackshit damage"

[violet zealot]

Oh, my bad

[polar osprey]

remember the modular difficulty stuff ^^

its a doom for all slayers, advanced and beginners

you will definitely find a way to make it actually need as much attention as eternal does in some way

[austere bronze]

Well, difficulty does not correlate to depth of gameplay

I still think it will have decent depth though

[oblique jacinth]

TDA is absolutley not a boomer shooter.He still has the shield,which is both an offensive and a defensive option that also has great mobility.Without the shield,maybe?

[violet zealot]

Simplicity can also be overall good

Well, simple in design

[azure oriole]

The presence of the shield does not discount what I'm saying. My point is referring specifically to movement and resource management.

[violet zealot]

The older games for example, simple mechanics build up into a pretty in-depth combat experience

[austere bronze]

Simplicity can be good, yes, if it doesn't exclude depth of combat

[oblique jacinth]

TDA Shield is going to be the meathook AND the fucking chaingun shield.

Not as agile as meathook,but close.

[austere bronze]

As soon as a game lacks depth to the combat, it's mediocre in my eyes

[oblique jacinth]

The level design is too goddamn open though,like the later halo games and the new GOW's.

[azure oriole]

It being open helps my point. Boomer shooters routinely use large, nonlinear level design.

[violet zealot]

Older games (or games designed with that philosophy) in general are often very nonlinear as well

[oblique jacinth]

OG DOOM was a labyrinth,Wolf3D was also a labyrinth,(except like the last part of the game).D64 and Plutonia,plus the early. DOOM2 also has tighter and smaller level design as well.

[azure oriole]

Yes and the labyrinths were often 1) large and 2) nonlinear.

[oblique jacinth]

TDA is not going to be non labyrinthy,you are outside nearly all the time in the trailers.

Whhen I say "large" levels,I am talking about wideness and openness.Not generally level's size.

[azure oriole]

The gameplay we saw comprised, like, 2 levels. Maybe 3. Just like with Eternal we saw a fraction of the environments that are going to be in the game.

[oblique jacinth]

DOOM2 earth levels are not that big,but they are very wide.

[latent crow]

Man I really want a DOOM Eternal collectors edition

[coral wagon]

Yeah exactly what I’m saying

[lusty silo]

Hello

[coral wagon]

It still seems to me like all other things are more or less equal to doom eternal. Environmental pickups, resources from enemies, different tools for different demons/situations were in eternal. What’s changed is movement is slower, projectiles are comically slow, movement is 2D and the maps are larger/more exploration dependent (tedium)

Also swapping weapons has been majorly slowed down

[young mango]

A game doesn’t need to fast to be hard, if that were the only prerequisite to fulfill that’d be silly

[austere bronze]

I think the projectiles in the trailer weren't on full speed, so they can way more easily show them

[young mango]

Yeah and that’s one thing, with the whole sliders thing, the game being slow could’ve been something on their end, or just added for dramatic effect

[coral wagon]

Yeah I agree but they will still be comparatively very slow. They have to be from a design perspective

Either that or you can just render them irrelevant with the shield

[austere bronze]

Oh yeah, Eternal wasn't really focused on actively dodging projectiles, it was more of moving fast, efficiently and smart makes enemies miss
TDA wants you actively dodging shit

[waxen hatch]

Slowness makes you plan ahead your moves, which gives you time to think, but sudden things could shake that up. I’m interested to see how it plays

[obsidian pewter]

Bethesda Dev
-Fix doom eternal "Fix memory 3k"
-fix Cloud save
...:/ my epic games

[young mango]

But yeah, expanding upon this, TDA seems to have an emphasis on projectiles, where in eternal they seem to just be a supporting thing, in the background, an imp fireball on nightmare, hardest difficulty, 23 damage, not a whole lot, I cannot imagine the same kind of thing applying to TDA

[left bone]

i've been stuck on this gore nest slayer gate for an hr, need skill

[austere bronze]

i've been stuck on a slayer gate for 40 min now

[normal iron]

What difficulty ?

And btw, I hate Taras nabad... I missed the free fall secret

[austere bronze]

I'm almost always playing on custom diffs

[normal iron]

Oh

[austere bronze]

fuck the secrets💯

[normal iron]

The toy..(

[austere bronze]

oh the toys are actually pretty neat

[normal iron]

24/25 secrets

[austere bronze]

can't you just go in mission select?

[normal iron]

I was doing playthrough 100%

And btw, how to unlock Taras nabad Master level?

[austere bronze]

just play through taras nabad once, I think

[normal iron]

Nope, I just finished Taras nabad

Master level is locked

[austere bronze]

maybe you need to finish the game then, idk

[normal iron]

Then why all other master levels are already unlocked

Hmmm

[young mango]

Maybe the progression for unlocking campaign levels is different, maybe you have to do the fortress after taras as well?

[sage rune]

Kinda underestimated full autos dps its quite aight

[young mango]

In comparison to what

[azure oriole]

yeah…..

[austere bronze]

the DPS isn't anything great, but its mastery makes it useful

[sage rune]

Yeah its carried by that

Makes it ideal as a combo ender or a dps option for mid tier demons.

[austere bronze]

I totally agree on the combo ender thing, not so much on the second thing though

DE just crashed on me... it's a sign from the gods to sleep

[oblique jacinth]

Why would anyone use FA for DPS?SSG + ballista or SSG punchswapping is way better,if you don't like quickswapping there is always MM and the chainturret.

[azure oriole]

base chaingun is better + it falters hell knights

[austere bronze]

Any quick switching is better than FA's DPS lol

[azure oriole]

you can go back with fast travel and get it

[austere bronze]

Even the SSG is, without any switching

[azure oriole]

i hate that stupid pain elemental toy

funko

[sage rune]

Against possesed demons MM does wonders lowkey

[oblique jacinth]

You could also get better DPS with PB + SB quickswap.Yes FA is that mid.

[azure oriole]

false

[sage rune]

FA is useful just kinda mid tier in a sea of great weapons

Far from useless though,despite it being probably the worst mod in the game.

[oblique jacinth]

PB without combos or MM?

[storm eagle]

PB

[austere bronze]

Pb+sb isn't even bad for DPS though😭

Especially if you headshot with the sb, then it deals as much damage as a rocket

[azure oriole]

why is the khan maykr so easy

[solid estuary]

finally found a battlemode game in big 25

[azure oriole]

glhf

[young mango]

because she basically does nothing, and has maykr drones in arena that fully replenish health and armor, the only real people have is not knowing how to evade her electric floor

[solid estuary]

rage quit after first match and it was with fresh installs

[azure oriole]

damn

[solid estuary]

average battlemode match is that

so

oh and nobodys playing anymore

lmao

game against fresh install demons oh boy

this will be FUN

[azure oriole]

Can someone help me

[trim heath]

What u need bro?

[storm eagle]

I'm gonna guess trophies. Or a new username.

[trim heath]

Fr

[arctic matrix]

eita kkk dificil achar algum br por aqui

[dense mauve]

AFTER YEARS

I did it

[manic spade]

did u beat word spear master level

most brutal level ive played

[lethal owl]

hello i need help i don't know if its my computer or the game but i get a black screen when i run the game here is my spec amd ryzen 5600u 8gb ram

please can you tell me how to solve this problem

[violet zealot]

make sure you're using your dedicated GPU

not your iGPU

also, it could be due to your very low RAM

[young mango]

Gonna leave this here for future reference but these are rough numbers ( except mobile turret ) for the rapid fire weapons

Full auto - 1980DPS
Hc base fire - 460DPS
Micro missiles - 1360DPS
Primary charger MM - 1800DPS
Unmaykr - 5070DPS
Chaingun base fire - 1000DPS
Mobile turret - 2087.04DPS
Plasma rifle - 570DPS

[lethal owl]

i only have a igpu

[violet zealot]

yeah, sorry

refund the game, it's infamous for not running on integrated

[lethal owl]

do you think i can run doom 2016

[violet zealot]

also, your RAM amount is just overall quite low

Windows by itself eats a big chunk of it

[lethal owl]

i am on fedora linux

[violet zealot]

Ah, one of those corpo-owned distros..

anyways, I'm not exactly sure tbh

2016 might run

but I'm unsure

I know you could more than easily run the original games natively but that's it

[lethal owl]

thank you for your help

[dense mauve]

No the ultranightmare campaign

[azure oriole]

gg

[buoyant matrix]

Do you get more master levels after TAG

Or are any extra ones dlc?

[young mango]

TAG2 has a master level if that’s what you mean

[gray rivet]

A A T E T H C C A T W T M C P W W S U T O Y R A T U I I D

just gonna leave this here

[trim heath]

Salve,dsclp n responder kk

[arctic matrix]

TD bem sem problemas kkkkk

[trim heath]

Sabe a data de lançamento de doom dark age? Tô quase terminando o eternal

[arctic matrix]

Vai lançar dia 15 de março hehe

Nice, eu tô ultimamente tentando zerar no ultranightmare

[trim heath]

Já tem até pré venda🤑

[arctic matrix]

Simm já consegui pegar no gamepass, vale apena deixar assinado já

[trim heath]

Passei sufoco no fácil,imagina no nightmare

[trim heath]

Jogo tá 350,mesmo preço de spiderman 2 kk. Mas acho que vou comprar po

[arctic matrix]

É pesado mesmo kkkkk eu zerei algumas várias vezes pra ir treinando mas ainda assim tô sofrendo demais

[trim heath]

Eu so acho complicado taras nabad,eu fui humilhado

[arctic matrix]

Simmmm, eu tô me preparando o bolso pra dar um upgrade na placa de vídeo p rodar o jogo ksks a minha atual não sei se vai rodar realmente bem fluido

[trim heath]

Jogo playstation, int já tlgd que vai rodar bem

[arctic matrix]

P mim o mais complicado é passar a khan maykr

[trim heath]

Tô focando em pegar logo a desmakyr

Maykr*

[arctic matrix]

Eu tenho um sério problema de acertar o punch nela

[arctic matrix]

Aí simm

Roubadissima essa

[trim heath]

Eu sempre sou humilhado pelo aracnotron

😔

[arctic matrix]

Ah com certeza hehe, eu em último caso vou jogar no Xbox mas queria no Pc mesmo

[arctic matrix]

Tiro de sniper no rabo dele que já resolve o problema hehe

[trim heath]

Eu prefiro nos console pq o botão é mais junto um com o outro,aí acho mais facil usar as arma e tal

[trim heath]

Uso bomba adesiva,prefiro pq já da um dano extra

[arctic matrix]

Pode ser que simm, eu não tenho costume de usar controle então acaba sendo meio estranho p mim skkddkdk

[arctic matrix]

É uma boa também

[trim heath]

Pra mim só fica paia com controle de Xbox,mas de resto acho ez

Eu só não suporto aquele demônio que sumona outros tlgd?

[arctic matrix]

É chato mesmo ele tem muito HP

Oq mais me incomoda é o marauder, mesmo sendo "fácil" combar ele, é bem frustrante aquele shield o tempo inteiro dele

Aquele cachorro insuportável kkkkkkk

[trim heath]

Então,eu odeio muito os demônios fracos mas "OP"

[arctic matrix]

Sim, ele depois que vc acerta o combo é fácil mas é muita movimentação e bloqueio + o cachorro enchendo saco kkkkk

[trim heath]

Pior ainda é o cavaleiro infernal,ele é "inicial" e ainda é um dos piores

Mancubus tb

Mas o bola branca/white Ball sempre me salva🙏

[arctic matrix]

Ele é usar combo de shotgun com balista que some rapidinho tbm

Todo pulo dele da o dash pra trás e combo

[trim heath]

Eu tlgd,mas ele tem muita vida,int quando você nao tem a batista fica complicado

Balista* KKK

[arctic matrix]

Sim aí é apelar pra shotgun + sniper e bloodpunch

[trim heath]

Metralhadors giratória 🤑

[arctic matrix]

Com aquele shield fica op demais kkkkkk

Gosto bastante

[trim heath]

MT kkk. Eu perdi um save que eu tinha, eu tinha acabado de pegar a crisol😔

[arctic matrix]

Meeh q bad

Isso me aconteceu com o 2016 de perder save foi bem frustrante

[trim heath]

Mas já fiz outro save,quase chegando em taras nabad

[arctic matrix]

Inclusive se vc ainda não jogou o 2016, jogue!! Vale mt apena

Ele é menos intenso comparado ao eternal mas ainda assim é incrível

[arctic matrix]

Ah Nice

[trim heath]

Vou baixar,é que eu confundi o 2016 com o eternal, pq tem muito doom no playstation

[arctic matrix]

Sim kkkk eu acabei zerando o Doom 3 um tempo atrás achando que era o 2016 :p

Não conhecia muito os doom atuais

[trim heath]

Inclusive,eu lembrei de algo, eu tava fazendo um puzzle de boa,pra pegar a espingarda do doom. E do nada spawnou um cacodemonio

[arctic matrix]

Normal kkkkkkkk, essa bola desgraçada aparece do nada mesmo

Mas é um dos meus demons favoritos de lugar contra

Lutar*

[trim heath]

Ele é chato mas serve pra usar finisher

[arctic matrix]

Simm

Mantendo distância e atirando uma azeitona nele, ele engasga KKKKK

Acho divertida essa mecânica

[lusty orchid]

rip and tar

[pseudo thistle]

so real brother

[lusty orchid]

cant wait for doom dark ages

[pseudo thistle]

I can’t wait to dark ages all over my doom

sorry this place has become a bit brainrot over time

[tough bridge]

I played through the unused hell on earth master level

I can see why ID scrapped it now, way too easy, haven’t even seen the low health warning ONCE

[young mango]

i mean theres also the fact its incomplete but yeah

im sure if they had gone further with it, it would've been hard

[barren stone]

Hi, I have a question, I bought Doom Eternal in 2022 but I didn't play it due to problems with my PC, is it still possible to unlock skins from past seasons or have I already lost them?

[sacred owl]

i dont have ps plus am i cooked cause im trying to plat doom eternal

[pseudo thistle]

The game cycles “mega seasons” now that are just compilations of the old seasons

So you can still get most of the cool shit

[barren stone]

thanks

😄

[pseudo thistle]

Even if you did have online services, yes
the multiplayer is dead, you’re gonna have to get 2 friends to help get the achievements

[pseudo thistle]

tar and feather

[flat socket]

Slayer in lore: defeats large demons
with his bare fists
Slayer in game play when there's a zombie:
https://youtu.be/VOK4NtCkNGg?si=V4WrHmpOE866NOp3

[pseudo thistle]

Aw hell naw are you another that think he killed the titan with his bare hands?

he has probably killed at most a baron with his (not bare) hands with berserk and shit

[lusty orchid]

slayer is op aasff🔥

[jolly kernel]

I don't remember this guy being the final boss of Doom Eternal

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/898346553125777488/1334039474023301151/doom.png?ex=679b1493&is=6799c313&hm=d9f2b254a7c461bf22e81a6ba7c00339115f598172732089551b5bcc8cd004eb&

[azure oriole]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1332168030074962020/1334054736730525717/Screenshot_20250128-225709_One_UI_Home.jpg?ex=679b22ca&is=6799d14a&hm=6e8c6adf5116af4c69dc60d39589246fdb10a8c9b5fa2048a62db2cd10da1b01&

[normal iron]

Oh no, flying Doritos

[tame topaz]

Real or fake.

[normal iron]

Cake

[azure oriole]

He is 100km near your house

[normal iron]

Good

[drifting herald]

metal gear rising mentioned

[flat socket]

Yes

Can we appreciate how the slayer has time to turn the fortress of doom into a mancave

[lost elm]

decided to reinstall doom eternal

after 4-5 years on my PS5 Pro

need to warm up for the dark ages cuz im super rusty

[austere bronze]

If your goal is to warm up for TDA, Eternal probably isn't your best bet, as the two will likely play very differently

[long zephyr]

Doom eternal Steam 40$, microsoft store 1000$

[drifting herald]

fr

[flat socket]

I'd say 2016 would be more fitting to warm up for the dark ages

[austere bronze]

I don't really think so

2016 doesn't focus on the same aspects as TDA, it's just a more simplistic version of Eternal

[flat socket]

Fair

I mean in the aspect of you probably won't be as fast

[lucid jewel]

ai bora jogar junto to afim de zerar Doom e o Doom Eternal

[arctic matrix]

Claro vamos sim!!

[echo hinge]

Not sure which chat to put this in but is there any chance I could get some help doing the multiplayer trophies on ps5

[torpid carbon]

[distroj] [ði] [pajramid] /ref

[sage rune]

If I had to buff FA (not that its unusably bad but) I'd probably make its damage get buffed with each consecutive hit on a enemy

Up to roughly 10-15% more damage at max stocks

[austere bronze]

IMO, just make it do 20% damage at all times

[sage rune]

Hmmm I feel like a buff like that would make it more intresting tbh

[austere bronze]

because it's mostly just used as a finisher, so making it ramp up in damage wouldn't be that useful (unless you go to the extreme)

[sage rune]

Or lean into its finisher playstyle

FA I've started to use more and tbh as a finisher is actually fantastic if you use SSG a lot

[austere bronze]

yup, I personally spam stickies a ton, and almost every time I use the meathook (a lot) I fire the SSG, so more shotgun ammo is useful

[strange gale]

here's an idea: each fa kill on non-fodder enemies gives a stacking % ammo efficiency buff (= each shot consumes less ammo than baseline), up to like 50%

[solar vale]

hello, where i can see players ranking website?

[strange gale]

then let's say the buff has like a 20s timer you can keep refreshing with further fa kills

so at max stacks the ammo cost on everything (except maybe super weapons) is halved

this way you could take away ammo drops from the hammer (why does it do everything, for what reason?) and give fa a niche that's relevant and useful across the board

[sage rune]

Like I was saying FA is far from like unusably bad. It has solid dps and is probably a top class combo ender but it has some issues

In eternal,theres really no truely bad mods imo. 2016 had a lot of bad weapons like MM and the tri burst

[strange gale]

de doesn't have any kind of combo system so the most you get is a few shells back

[fringe torrent]

2016 MMs bad? What an odd take

[strange gale]

that's its niche, and the niche isn't filled super well considering the hammer exists

[fringe torrent]

If you get the infinite ammo rune the MM is insane

[sage rune]

Why use them over the other option which is mobile turret

[azure oriole]

Micro Missiles are truly terrible in Eternal TBF. There is no moment where it's worth swapping Precision Bolt for Micro Missiles, with how useful PB is.

[fringe torrent]

Because the mobile turret slows you down

[azure oriole]

Both of the Plasma Rifle's mods are pretty bad too, to the point they had to shoehorn Spirits in to make you want to use the Microwave Beam.

[sage rune]

Microwave beam is decent but hard to use

Good for spirits but more importantly gives a hard falter any time you need it

[austere bronze]

it isn't necessarily hard to use, but being able to stun an enemy at will is a very good

[austere bronze]

yeah that sounds nice

[sage rune]

I have a tierlist of weapons I'd like to share but I dont have image perms.

Worst tier for mods Is B- since tbh even the worst mods have something good going for them

[strange gale]

the damage output (single and multi target) in this game is so high that everything should be dead before that becomes relevant

[austere bronze]

send it somewhere else and then copy the image link

then just paste it in here

[strange gale]

hard faltering possessed arches with it is genuinely very useful, it's the only way to stop one from summoning things

but when does one ever show up in official content lol

[sage rune]

In maybe a different channel?

[austere bronze]

never, but I'd still argue mwb is useful

[austere bronze]

no, a different server/in DMs, anywhere where you have image perms

[sage rune]

#931203111169712161 message

[austere bronze]

then (I'm guessing you're on phone), hold down on the image, press "copy media link" and paste it

[sage rune]

Friend group server

[austere bronze]

Copy media link, not message link

[strange gale]

you can post images via links with embeds but that's kind of a hush hush thing

[sage rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931203111169712161/1334170198751580230/my-image-1.png?ex=679b8e53&is=679a3cd3&hm=73fe4067703566590553591fb52bab60ec5778872bbe22b1b3905f2bc6ff221b&

It's not official just my opinion

[austere bronze]

it essentially has the power to stop you from taking damage by stunning an enemy, which is neat

[austere bronze]

this seems pretty fair, yeah

although heat blast and full auto is definitely above mobile turret and micro missiles

[strange gale]

un rando is great

hell on earth, 3 revs and 2 carcs in the area you'd normally find the second spider of the level

[sage rune]

Hm I can see it,however,MM dps is quite strong it's just PB

Is that strong

[austere bronze]

MM is good for beginners, but I wouldn't put it in B due to it quickly falling out of use

heat blast and full auto is viable on all skill levels however

[sage rune]

I like it for possesed enemies tbh

But maybe theres a faster way to kill em

[austere bronze]

unbalanced rando with extra AI speed and damage to slayer 🤤

[austere bronze]

lock-on burst

[strange gale]

oh i'm playing ng, not ng+

[sage rune]

Ah I should've use that too yeah. MB does help to stun them too

[austere bronze]

oh, that's interesting, can't imagine that to be very easy lmao

[strange gale]

balanced rando tho, and no extra modifiers besides triple tokens

mm dps should be 1842 if this decl i'm looking at is to be trusted

that's with the mastery buff active btw

no buff, 1382 dps

mobile turret always does 1500

[austere bronze]

pretty sure MM is cracked against possessed hell knights though

[strange gale]

oh yeah they take extra damage

so in that context specifically, 2632 w/ buff

crazy

didn't know the interaction was THAT good until now

something i disagree with balanced rando on is the early game drone spam

yeah you take a lot more damage than in vanilla so it's certainly nice to have, but i'm not sure it's necessary

all in all this makes using a whole two weapons feel fresh again which is great

[tame topaz]

Doom Eternal.

[severe crater]

Just beat the gladiator

I feel like it's just been pure luck that I've beaten every boss first try 😭

Also

The boss theme for gladiator was fire
Was NOT expecting it to go that hard

[storm eagle]

Good job!

[azure oriole]

Why is microwave beam on a tier?
It should be on S++

[strange gale]

coal alert

[vast inlet]

Kind of a weird feeling going back to eternal lately. I feel like it hasnt aged nearly as well as 2016.

[austere bronze]

why not?

[vast inlet]

Well, the game is more frenetic and fast paced but also more technical by a longshot

And thats fine but often times, i find myself wrestling with the control scheme and demons blocking my pathing

It just feels too mechanical and stuff where as 2016 is something i can always pick up and smoothly play

[austere bronze]

well those aren't problems with the game, I personally like the complexity and the higher skill ceiling that comes with it

[tame topaz]

I can't play more than one 2016 level at a time and I mostly just end up dropping it halfway through. It's so droning.

If I wanted to kill imps over and over I'd just play classic Doom.

And actually I already am. BTSX is so good.

[azure oriole]

both games are masterpieces in my opinion

if i was asked to pick between them i dont think i could

I'm easily picking Eternal.

i play eternal a lot more but whenever i do play 2016 i get hooked in for at least an hour

2016's a great game but a bit overrated. I think people are too forgiving towards some of its flaws.

only thing i realy have a problem with is the rune system

[austere bronze]

the combat doesn't really push you into playing well, or in a fun way

[azure oriole]

ima start a nightmare playthrough from the ground up

im getting every extra life because i know ima die

i just dont have the mental strength to restart an arena 5 times at this point in my doom eternal career

[obsidian bronze]

good luck

[tame topaz]

That's fair. FWIW I actually quite like the first 4 levels. Everything else though is just a dip quality wise.

[worn dew]

Fair, that’s why TDA will get streamlined to be less button memorizing

[austere bronze]

noice
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327162074689703978/1334227575911743561/image.png?ex=679bc3c2&is=679a7242&hm=4485d5ddbef68172507a51703376059febf45ed30793caffbe3775ac33a39edd&

[fiery dagger]

imps are just annoying in 2016

they get spammed so much and when cling onto a wall they cant stagger so its more hp

[azure oriole]

explosive shotgun shot

[fiery dagger]

yeah ik ik

but if u miss

i tried unm and i cba anymore

am abt half way through and cant bring myself to do another and not get scammed

[austere bronze]

Yeah, hop on Eternal

[fiery dagger]

init

[azure oriole]

im terrified to do the exultia slayer gate on nightmare

[austere bronze]

It's definitely one of the harder slayer gates
I spent over 3 hours today grinding away at that slayer gate with a randomizer and custom diff lol

[gray rivet]

That one's rough 😭

[lusty orchid]

for real

[gray rivet]

I know you didn't ask for advice but moving around the perimeter of the room for that one is super helpful

I saw a speedrunner do this slayer gate (xamide or absolutelmassive) but they did it so fast only 1 revenant spawned and no other heavies and the slayer gate completed.

I guess it was a bug

Yea it was absolutelmassive current wr

And it was one dreadknight that he chainsawed

[young mango]

I’m guessing that has to do with the game having odd criteria to meet for progressing to the next wave, like if all of a specific enemy is dead before more have the chance to spawn it, it progresses

[austere bronze]

Yup💯
You don't wanna be moving around in the tight tunnels, the key is to use your dashes effectively and move around smart

[azure oriole]

i just did it in one try

[young mango]

It’s the reason stuff like skipping the stone imps in immora was possible on earlier patches

[azure oriole]

i still came very close to death like twice however

[gray rivet]

Fuck yea

[gray rivet]

Wow sick, thanks for the explanation

@azure oriole did you sigh heavily when it was over? Lol

[austere bronze]

Yoo, that's dope

[azure oriole]

no

[lusty orchid]

whay you guys playing in doom eternal today

[azure oriole]

right now im punishing demons in the prison

dont see how putting them out of their misery is punishment but whatever

[austere bronze]

I mostly played a randomizer, but also some modded levels

[lusty orchid]

it has randomisers? sick

[violet zealot]

They’re mods

So you’re unable to use them on console

[lusty orchid]

thats cool i dont play console

[gray rivet]

I will either finish up my current nightmare campaign at final sin. Or try another doomed to fail UN run

Sometime I just choke and do some easily preventable shit 😭

[azure oriole]

nah that would be Eternal

[gray rivet]

Lolol

[austere bronze]

Relatable😭
I've been trying to eliminate stupid deaths from my gameplay though, it's been a bit successful

But it's so annoying when it happens

[gray rivet]

For me I just take breaks. Kinda helps. Maybe not idk

[austere bronze]

It helps if playing for longer times make you worse ig

Or if you get tilted, that's real af

[fringe torrent]

Literally every game in this series has people too forgiving towards its flaws, except for DOOM 3, people love to amplify those and then say "yeah I watched a 30 second gameplay video of it"

[azure oriole]

Nah. I've already seen plenty of people criticize Eternal.

2016 gets all the "oh man this was perfect, why'd they mess with XYZ thing in Eternal?" shit.

[gray rivet]

@azure oriole can I ask you a lore question?

[azure oriole]

Meanwhile 2016's weapon balancing was atrocious, a lot of the enemy redesigns sucked, it rips off its entire story from Doom 3. It's a great game but it should get a little more criticism.

[azure oriole]

That's what I'm here for.

[gray rivet]

@azure oriole ok so in doom 2016 the demon cult in the UAC was lead by Olivia pierce. In eternal why are they(UAC) still worshipping demons even tho Olivia pierce is gone? And who is leading them?

[azure oriole]

Deag Ranak leads the Cultist UAC on Earth. Eternal's Codex explains he was secretly brought to Mars under Hayden's nose before 2016 happened, helped her establish the cult, then left for Earth.
The UAC itself is not entirely Cultist-led. After 2016, the Cultist UAC, under Ranak's rule, announced their intentions and began a small invasion using cybernetic demons created in the Cultist Base. They exploited Hayden's distraction to fix the Argent problem to eventually make the Super Gore Nest in Europe, where the invasion began proper.

But even by the time Eternal happens 13 years later, the UAC still has normal branches operating, mainly on Mars. The UAC on Mars is still human-led and unaffiliated with Hell.

It's just that the Cultists have more power and have seized more of the UAC's resources by this point, and have become the face of the demonic invasion.

[azure oriole]

Pretty sure its the same thing with 2016

omg its si slow i cannot get back to it 😩

[gray rivet]

@azure oriole holy shit ok wow. So the hologram lady is someone who willingly submitted to deag ranak on earth? And probably others?

[austere bronze]

Sure, but there's a lot of glazing for 2016, which leads to the same people making unfounded critiques for Eternal
I like Eternal, and I'm vocal about it, but I base everything in reality

[azure oriole]

doomy turnal ruins 2016 for me

both are overrated as shit

[austere bronze]

That's not really a critique to 2016

[azure oriole]

She's likely a willing employee of the Cultist UAC, yes. That or the hologram isn't even based on a real person and was just simulated for propaganda.

[gray rivet]

Sick, thanks for the info I appreciate it

[azure oriole]

I've seen a lot of people saying that

The Cultist UAC isn't just demons, they do have human employees - they're just either mainly offscreen or they've been turned into zombies. Their name has been considered synonymous with demons, though - by the time we get to TAG1 Hayden is outright referring to hordes of demons as "the UAC."

That Eternal makes 2016 obsolete

They're completely different games. Neither makes the other obsolete.

[azure oriole]

No problem.

[gray rivet]

I'll play devil's advocate here, eternal makes 2016 seem like a tech demo

Btw I love 2016

[austere bronze]

Disagreed, both are good games

[fringe torrent]

M1 defending 2016? Happy surprise

[gray rivet]

Lol

[austere bronze]

I try to be fair at least, so I will say Eternal is much better, but 2016 is still a good game

[azure oriole]

charged burst vs full auto
which one is worse?

[gray rivet]

I haven't played 2016 in a while. But I'd say charged burst

[fiery dagger]

charged only cuz explosive shot out performs it way better than full auto and sticky bombs

also actually yeah its bad too

[azure oriole]

full auto is useful for much more than charged burst

[gray rivet]

Yall making me wanna play 2016

[violet zealot]

Not really

I muuuch prefer 2016. Eternal is just another game in a franchise, not a replacement.

Some people prefer Eternal, some prefer 2016. Hell, some people (like me) may not prefer either of them and like the other games instead.

[sage crescent]

I’ll say doom is a franchise that allows this happen. Not many get so lucky with new and old releases

Most of the mainline games have their dedicated fans while still being good games overall even if not everyone likes every entry

[strange lake]

I like eternal but early game boring

[strange lake]

What part do you get the super shotgun?

[austere bronze]

3rd mission

[hybrid pier]

Look at what I found in the music room

Oh wait you can’t send picture here

[strange lake]

How hard is 100% all trophies doom eternal? PS5

[fallen token]

Not that hard, I’m going for all of them right now

Just 2 tips though, don’t use mastery tokens they cancel out the trophy for all weapon mastery

[strange lake]

Is there any where you need a specific difficulty?

[fallen token]

And use friends for battle mode

[fallen token]

Only ‘complete extra life mode with 10 extra lives’

[strange lake]

Battle mode trophies? Damn

Would need ps+

[fallen token]

Really wish that battle mode had a separate trophy set to the actual base eternal game

[strange lake]

Is it hard to find lobby?

[fallen token]

For me it’s not a problem as I have the game from ps+ and so do my friends so its easy to just spend an hour

[fallen token]

Extremely, extremely, extremely hard

You can be waiting for ages

[strange lake]

Hopefully next doom game is different trophy sets

[fallen token]

Well luckily TDA won’t have an online mode so hopefully the trophies won’t be as tedious

[strange lake]

Focused on campaign

[normal iron]

Guys, if I will try to grab toy, while I have cheat codes on, is it possible? Or I need to fairly again replay whole level

[gray rivet]

Once you get the toy you can leave the Level

[normal iron]

I mean, I missed 1 toy in Taras nabad, now I want to get it, but with cheat codes on, is it possible or I need to do it without cheats codes

[gray rivet]

You can with cheats on, yes

[normal iron]

Ok, thx

[azure oriole]

thats interesting

i used mastery tokens and still got the achievement on xbox

[tame topaz]

I fail to understand how people can find the platforming in this game frustrating. You don't need the dexterity of a pro league sweatlord to clear these sections. Sure you can dislike them (I personally skip some of them) but to claim they're hard?

It's no different than walking down a corridor except you aren't turning your brain off completely.

[violet zealot]

my dumbass sometimes just fails a single section like 200 times in a row when my mind decides to die randomly

but I never found them hard by any stretch

[violet zealot]

but well, if my mind did that I'm basically mentally done in general

[fallen token]

Well I was very annoyed today when I used a mastery token only to find out using them or the IDFKA achievement cancels out the trophy completely

[strange gale]

rando really loves carcs haha

finding myself enjoying early game again which is kinda crazy

it's putting multiple heavies in areas that have barely anything in vanilla

a cyber manc in the 2nd level is crazy

multiblast stocks going to the moon

[azure oriole]

apparently when you get to level 250 you get a star under your card and it restarts

[strange gale]

yep, and you can do that until level 12250

[azure oriole]

who tf is level 12250

[strange gale]

several people atp

mostly bm people and speedrunners

i'm sure there's also someone insane/stupid/probably both enough to run it back against the dark lord 12250 times

[tame violet]

on tha grind

[young mango]

238 hours given good rng and excluding loading screen time😭

[strange gale]

really hoping they do something cool for tda's un

permadeath on its own is fine while people are still learning the game, but that gets stale fast

balanced rando's putting barons and tyrants in cultist base's relatively small arenas which is SO much more enjoyable than just permadeath

it's such a simple concept too

[young mango]

I hope TDA has some piece of content that only a handful of players can conquer, and not just somebody who’s above average with enough time on their hands, im all for accessibility, but I’m jonesing to see something ludicrous, if we’re really taking the series back to its roots let’s bring back the facet of having something made unfair on purpose, kinda like nightmare, although i wouldn’t want a difficulty like that, maybe like a crazy difficult master level or something

[knotty coyote]

Is it true that the Doom Guy kills God at the end of Doom Eternal?

I dont mind spoilers

Like in Supernatural Season 15?

[young mango]

Yes but don’t interpret that as any sort of feat of power, it’s massively taken out of context

[strange gale]

goddamn the pit fight is overrated

[knotty coyote]

Why did he kill God? Because he created the demons?

[young mango]

Davoth, the god you mentioned, is effectively a normal human with a magic mech by the time you fight him, having his power stripped from him a long time ago, and a shard of that was put into the divinity machine, it can be interpreted that this was his physical prowess, making doom slayer effectively equal to davoth at his peak, but davoth moreso was an inventor than a biblical sort of god, and the father, who he made, is the one who created the earthly realms with the help of the luminarium, it is never implied that davoth created hell either, most likely being there before he existed, with a bigger god being hinted at

[jade saffron]

To say “no“

[strange gale]

is doomguy an aura farmer?

[young mango]

Maybe

[strange gale]

i love that concept, it's so stupid

[knotty coyote]

So I heard fake news about it

People like to say it is God himself

[young mango]

It’s true, but it’s taken out of context

[knotty coyote]

So Davoth is like a magician?

A very powerful one

[young mango]

and the father, whom he created, is stronger than he was in his peak in terms of physical power, which is how he got sealed up in the first place

[knotty coyote]

Only Doom games I played were Doom (+the bonus 4th episode), Doom 2, Master Levels For Doom 2 and now Im on Final Doom

Final Doom is really big

[young mango]

So not only is he not the strongest person in the doom universe, he’s a shadow of his former self when the player beats him, it is the most annoying misconception the community has ever created

[knotty coyote]

Exactly. The community loves to say "the slayer killed god!" to say he is powerful than anyone

[old remnant]

I just finished doom eternal and ancient god 1 and 2

What a game

Can’t wait for dark ages

[silk dune]

I need help😭

[somber crystal]

Is it possible to doom eternal with rapid fire weapons only?

[silk dune]

I'm stuck

With rebuilding the celestial locator

[azure oriole]

where at

[young mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077069514505728152/1334325965874139167/vcompress_94-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[strange gale]

so true

[silk dune]

Uhhh one sec

[sage rune]

Yeah smth like master levels would be nice. Maybe the max difficulty sliders are for that

[silk dune]

Idk how to describe it😭

@azure oriole is it ok if I DM u the screenshot

[quasi ember]

Which enemy is the most annoying and why

[quasi ember]

The hell did you record this on, a toaster oven?

[violet zealot]

Tyrant. I hate how annoyingly bad he is as an enemy.

He just does... nothing

[young mango]

no, i ran it through a compressor a few times to give it a sort of shitpost vibe

[quasi ember]

Nice

[quasi ember]

https://tenor.com/view/doom2-doom-archvile-gif-23324214

I hate archivals

[violet zealot]

yet another enemy I just find to do kinda nothing

honestly, the enemy I genuinely find terribly annoying are spectre whiplashes

[quasi ember]

Holy hell I could not agree more

[azure oriole]

whiplashes

they're so fast and slim you gotta have top tier aim to hit them

not to mention their cheap ass attacks

i also hate the carcass for his whiplash style attack

[quasi ember]

I have to use the chain gun the unmaykr or bfg to kill them

[azure oriole]

its like the actual whiplash attack except non-dodgable

[lilac cloak]

Does Eternal have online PVP like Doom 2016?

[quasi ember]

Yes it has deathmatch

Like demon vr slayer

Vs my bad

[severe crater]

This game is so fun

Incredibly stressful at times but also really fun

[lilac cloak]

Thank you

[tawdry notch]

Just got the game today first time playing any doom game

[slow sigil]

He could also have stabbed him in the back, we don't know. Powerscaling doesn't make sense here at all

[wanton atlas]

My Doom Eternal data got corrupted
Hoping reinstalling it might fix the issue, or my PS4 is ready to die on me lol. All the more reason to play it one last time before TDA releases. Definitely plan on getting a new system before May.

[wanton atlas]

Sweet! Hope you enjoy

[desert forum]

just first tried the khan maker, i thought she was going to have a second phase. that was very easy on U V

[slow sigil]

She's probably the weakest boss in the game

[slow sigil]

Yeah most powerscaler are... really uhhh "weird" in how they think strength in a media is a simple and consistant 1d axis

[slow sigil]

Like religion

[willow belfry]

You forgot about the free standalone MP only game

QC

[steep delta]

I can’t access the dlc for doom eternal even though I just bought it (ps4)

Gonna reinstall the game and see if that fixes the issue 🤦

[rugged gate]

Anyone here know how to slob?

[austere bronze]

yes, but I can't explain it, here's a video on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_k7ZgLTXXw&t=10s

[rugged gate]

Ah thank you

[cyan crest]

hi gang, since dark ages is here soon I decided to play DE again BUT it shows me a black screen instead of the main menu after photosensetivity warning

[buoyant matrix]

It’s just because certain media like dragon ball and one piece it usually works because of how strength is written

[slow sigil]

doesn't OP have a shitload of abilities and stuff?

Dragonball is mostly just "punch harder" and somehow it just works (see: how to defeat ultra instinct and ultra ego)

[buoyant matrix]

Yeah but even in OP because of haki most of the time those abilities won’t matter if they don’t also have haki (referring to one piece alone)

Though shows like jjk it is a little less one dimensional as long as we aren’t talking about sukuna or gojo

[tame topaz]

The classic mod for this game is so fucking good.

Wished enemy projectile speed was slower too but the faster movespeed is still welcome.

[wild igloo]

I remember when TAG 2 came out and everyone was complaining that the Ultranightmare skin was the dope ahh skull instead of another gold one. I much prefer the skull because it actually looks like the UN symbol

[slow sigil]

and then you equip it ingame and it's shit because the gloves are brown

[wild igloo]

Cope

[azure oriole]

cheese skins are boring🥱

how the hell did ancient gods download in a second

[slow sigil]

because it just activated a key ingame

tag is already contained in the download of the main game itself

[wild igloo]

What’s a cheese skin

[slow sigil]

the ugly "gold" skins

[polar osprey]

"just make it yellow and put reflection to 100% and call it a day"

[wild igloo]

Fallen Angel is one of the best skins

Just wish I could get my hands on the 64 marine

[polar osprey]

which one is that

is it the light blue/gold maykr skin?

[wild igloo]

It’s the red and black maykr skin

[polar osprey]

ohh yeah

that ones pretty good, all the maykr skins are

[wild igloo]

Yeah

[polar osprey]

welp, time to go back to doom eternal master campaign, i got the final map before the guardian fight

[gray rivet]

@polar osprey have you beaten UN?

[hot wave]

Would anyone be available to help with the Slayer trophy?

[polar osprey]

nope

[wild igloo]

Wont catch me beating UN. I don’t have the patience nor skill for that

[polar osprey]

meanwhile i decided to just immediately go for a master campaign after only beating DE twice on HMP

[gray rivet]

Siick

[gray rivet]

I'd love to do it, idk if I can. I failed like 10 times already. We'll see

[wild igloo]

I can beat the dark lord on nightmare but it won’t give me the pedestal

[gray rivet]

UN is madness but I'm only attempting it because I Love this game so much

[austere bronze]

I'll never do it. because UN is 💤

[gray rivet]

M1 already beat UN xd

[austere bronze]

I actually didn't lol

I skipped it

[gray rivet]

Ohh shit

Maybe you can convince me not to want to do it?

[austere bronze]

I personally see no reward in doing it, so it'd just be lots of wasted hours, on top of that, I dislike early-mid game, so I'd be bored for a majority of the time

but that doesn't really apply to everyone, so idk

I don't care about the "flex" of having done it either

[gray rivet]

Ah I see, fair. I just want to prove to myself I can do it for some reason

🫴🏼xX Ultra Nightmare Xx

[austere bronze]

I'd say it's more worth your time to play the game and get better, and once you know you can clear it first try, see if you still want to

[gray rivet]

Word, your input is appreciated

[signal barn]

i got the dlc since it was on sale and i haven’t played in 5 years so i thought it would be good to replay the main campaign on UV but im having some trouble. I regularly use my equipment and top up on resources but i always find myself at low health. should i focus more on dodging projectiles/platforming? i feel like as soon as i get back to max armor and health i drop down right away, is that just part of the experience or am i doing smth wrong?

[gray rivet]

Is there any specific info, like what level or demons are giving you trouble?

[uncut creek]

the best part of UN for me is the adrenaline rush

[signal barn]

idk it’s a little frustrating cuz i played on hurt me plenty at first, and yeah i would die sometimes and get to low health but it would only be certain high pressure moments whereas it feels like every battle in UV i’m at low

i also feel like every time i finish a fight i look around and realize i barely used the platforming/arena stuff

ik i can always just “get better” but should i be trying to avoid projectiles and stuff more? i feel like most are kinda hard to dodge

[signal barn]

i definitely agree, and being on low health adds to that but constantly being low then becomes the norm lol

[uncut creek]

what's the furthest you've made it on UN?

if you can get past cultist base you can finish the game

[signal barn]

i’m on super gore nest, the first big arena and the one before all the keys were all really difficult. also cultist base, but most of them didn’t take me too many tries

[signal barn]

oh i read it wrong, im playing on UV lmao. i’m not that good ahaha

[uncut creek]

usually super gore nest is a freaking breeze

oh ok

[austere bronze]

you shouldn't necessarily be actively trying to dodge projectiles, moving fast and smart around the arena will make enemies miss

[uncut creek]

use the ballista to boost yourself around too

[signal barn]

yeah it was really easy on hurt me plenty as far as i remember but either my fps skills got worse or the difficulty ramps up to uv

[austere bronze]

the difficulty does increase when you increase the difficulty, yup

[uncut creek]

have you done extra life mode?

[signal barn]

ah okay that’s what i was thinking, do you have any tips specifically concerning that?

[signal barn]

ooh okay that’s a great idea

[uncut creek]

you on PC?

[signal barn]

it’s funny cuz i play a lot of classic doom and use the rocket launcher in a similar way but didn’t think to do that here lol

yep, i switched my key binds to esdf to have more quick swap access

like that stuff is all easy to me, i’m dealing a lot of damage but have trouble avoiding getting hurt lol

[storm eagle]

If you're struggling on HMP I would recommend just playing Nightmare and not jumping into UN. Practice the game mechanics, movement, and enemy prioritization. Weapons and combos that work for you, learning the enemy damage scales, and traversing the arenas properly. I get that it's a flex to do UN but doing it before you understand the game is pointless imo. Practice ballista boosting and using the jump pads, using grenades, flame belch, and ice bombs properly. All of the basics.

[signal barn]

also what’s this btw?

[uncut creek]

if you run out of extra lives it's game over

It's a good starting ground

[austere bronze]

skip extra life mode for now at least, it just adds pointless stress, focus on the fundamentals instead

[young mango]

There’s like a grand total of 3 people playing ELM at any given time😭

[austere bronze]

yeah, to begin you want to be dashing around all the time, and never stop holding down the movement keys lol

and utilize what the arena gives you

[signal barn]

i’m struggling on UV rn, not UN or HMP but thanks for the advice, i prob need to work on platforming stuff

[austere bronze]

potentially the most important thing is moving around in a smart fashing though

[fringe torrent]

Glad platforming isn't insta-kill anymore, that would fuck over soo many of my UN attempts

[signal barn]

i’ve never actually ran out of lives yet, i lose the most in the slayer gates

[austere bronze]

(don't go into corners, stay out of tight spaces, be spatially aware, etc)

[storm eagle]

Oops read that wrong sry. Yeah just try Nightmare imo for awhile. I mean do whatever you want ofc, but that's just my two cents.

[young mango]

The people playing it either think extra lives are only in ELM, which is a fair assumption, or there’s people actually playing it, which is just the chosen difficulty with permadeath + however many extra lives are picked up, which trivializes everything anyways

[storm eagle]

Yeah I never understood the point tbh. I mean I get why it's there for people. But meh.

I think what a lot of people see as a thrill, I see as pointless. But I'm also old and cranky. 😂

[young mango]

I mean for the people who want a challenge that doesn’t exist, they’ll avoid it cus permadeath, and the people will the skill to play it will just play the regular version of their chosen difficulty because that ironically ends up being harder

[signal barn]

wait so i don’t get it, what exactly is extra life mode?

when i die i use one up one of my lives but get put back in with max health, is that it or is it smth else?

[signal barn]

so just being clear, i should try a harder difficulty than the one im struggling on?

[storm eagle]

You get a set amount of extra lives but when you're dead you have to start over from the beginning

So when it's over, it's JOVER

[signal barn]

oh i see. is it reset from the level or the VERY beginning

[austere bronze]

the very beginning

[uncut creek]

heck on earth

[signal barn]

oh jesus

that name seems almost intentionally misleading lmfao

[storm eagle]

Do you feel like you want to keep trying on UV? If you feel like you want more of a challenge, bump it up to Nightmare. If you feel like you're still on the brink of death a good deal of the time on UV, then keep doing UV until it feels more fluid and comfortable. Like M1 said, if later you want to try out UN still, when you feel good about your fundamental gameplay, then you'll be set for more success.

[signal barn]

my main goal rn is i wanna be able to be able to play uv with the same skill i played hmp at. i’m a lot better at stuff like aiming and quick switching but then i watch skilled people play on nightmare and they don’t get to low health nearly as much as i do

[young mango]

Well, don’t compare yourself to others, compare yourself to yourself

[signal barn]

you are so real for that thank you

[azure oriole]

your welcome

[young mango]

Jumping into the deep end with nightmare isn’t a half bad idea though, the skills you’ll learn just to survive will probably make you more efficient at UV, and you could continue building your way up

[gray rivet]

Yea forreal I'm fuckin shaking before bist combat encounters

[gray rivet]

Fire advice

[signal barn]

ah ok that makes sense, so i should challenge myself even more to make uv easier

thanks for the advice everyone

[storm eagle]

I'm not answering your question for Tammie but I just wanna say you have the best attitude and it's refreshing and inspiring even.

You remind me of our friend @gentle shale

[signal barn]

i was a little worried abt asking for help here since i’m used to toxic/elitist gaming communities but you guys are all super understanding and actually provide helpful advice, and i want to use as much as i can to get better lol

so thank you all again

[pastel willow]

I love the Doom community

Everyone just wants to have fun

[storm eagle]

Nah we got you. You can ask anything here. If you run into the elitists just completely ignore them

[pastel willow]

Hardest community to get help in is the Warhammer community

Space Marine fans are evil

[storm eagle]

we reacted the same react at the same time lol

M1 and Tammie are on here more often and are very knowledgeable. Lean on them for sure.

[austere bronze]

yeah we dislike elitists here💯

[pastel willow]

I don't think I've ever been told I am bad at the game once

And I used to play on Im too young to die

[storm eagle]

That's great to hear. And M1 and I started on that too! No shame at all in it.

[young mango]

Elitism, at least in this community, is due to people behaving as if they have an inferiority complex, ergo, if a persons an elitist, it’s safe to assume they’re not very good at the game

[fringe torrent]

I won't respect an elitist even if they are the greatest DE player ever

[storm eagle]

Or they are a prick and probably racist and homophobic and should be avoided. But that's a topic for a different day in a different chat.

[pastel willow]

I'm currently playing 2016 on Ultra Violence

[storm eagle]

omg ping me in the 2016 chat I wanna hear about it.

[gentle shale]

Hellos :D

[storm eagle]

Hiii!

[molten python]

cant play the game, its constantly crashing in start menü

[gentle shale]

Hruuuu :D

[signal barn]

oh yeah i wanted to ask, does anyone use esdf? i initially had wasd and used qerfcx and 2 for weapons but i find it much easier using aqwrtg and 3

[austere bronze]

I use WASD, it works, so I never bothered switching lol

it may not be the best though

[storm eagle]

I'm good thx! Hbu?

[gentle shale]

I'm good too tyyy :D

Took pics of an owl today :D

[storm eagle]

dm the owl pics

[gentle shale]

I shall :D

[young mango]

I think the most this game has had me shaking is after having successfully done the immora zip boost in a live run

[rugged gate]

How do I even practice slob? I see people on yt with frozen invincible demons to showcase it.

[pseudo thistle]

slob isnt that hard to do if you know how

you just hold right click while switching from PB to RL and spam mouse 1, right?

been literally years

so i cant remember

[young mango]

Done via a modified client; so only if you’re on PC, you could install meath00k to unlock the console, or launch a modded session in the mod portal, the commands to “freeze” an enemy would be “notarget” and to make them invincible “g_damagescalealltoai 0” works

[pseudo thistle]

all i remember is that i was able to pull it off first try

so probably easy

[young mango]

Pb, rocket with fast state, right click almost immediately after firing, then SLOB

[pseudo thistle]

god i wish i remembered what that meant

[young mango]

What, SLOB?

[pseudo thistle]

no just like rocket fast state

[austere bronze]

fast state is just when the rocket is able to switch so quick