doom-eternal

[bold phoenix]

The one with the gigantic pillar of Gore with the boost pad in the middle behind the blue key

The first time you’re there

[willow belfry]

But afaik -> Tyrant with Medium--> Cyber Man with Hell Knights --> Carcas + HKs --> Fog Marauder --> Room with three Keys --> Double Tyrant + Doom Hunter --> CM + DH --> Twin Tyrants --> Archville + Barons --> Twin Marauders --> Quadruple Tyrants + Triple Archvilles --> Escape ( Twin Marauders, Tyrants and CM)

[willow belfry]

You've a long way to go lmao

[azure oriole]

i love sgn

i love earth themed levels

[junior igloo]

I finished it

6 hours and 21 minutes

ez

for one master level

[tardy pier]

Goated

[bold phoenix]

Is it just me or do the tyrants really really look like cyber demons?

[young mango]

I think that is the point yes

[graceful isle]

You never see cyberdemons and tyrants in the same room together either. hmm... strange... you may be onto something!

[flat socket]

They're literally classic doom cyberdemons

They're just called tyrants cause we had a cyberdemon in 2016

[fossil pagoda]

What level?

Rocket bait their shield

[desert forum]

wait does it have checkpoints?

[austere bronze]

Master levels have checkpoints, but they are only there so you just restart at the last checkpoint when you die, if you exit the level, all progress is lost

[twin raptor]

i see people who have their glory kills not change their FOV, is that a mod or a setting?

[austere bronze]

Not really sure what these do individually, but if you enter both of these into launch options, the FoV won't change
+sync_JeffsFOVHottness 0 +sync_autoFOV 0

It is enough with one of them, but idk which lmao

[twin raptor]

preesh 🔥

[vale idol]

https://youtu.be/em-Kn1gL2DM?si=HdtiHfdXLyn0XfdA

[polar osprey]

i learnt to quickswap fast enough to land 3 weapons on the marauder, lets fucking go

[deep lake]

this game i downloaded and played for an hour its boring , not enough ammo , always need to go near a mob to get ammo or health and stuff ... warhammer 40000 sapcemarine 2 was great ,this is dumber than that , jumping around in a box to different floors in a same box ...

[fringe torrent]

Glad you had fun! See you when The Dark Ages releases! 😁

[deep lake]

[polar osprey]

it gets intense real fast dont worry

really smart of you to judge a game as being boring, by playing it for an hour

[hasty ingot]

I work at a Mormon-owned thrift store and they have no idea that after work today I will be ripping and tearing my way through hell with some doom eternal and that is the most religious thing a person can do. I. HAVE. SPOKEN.

[polar osprey]

well yes it is hell, but doom doesnt really have any sort of implication to what religion it is

[hasty ingot]

:0

[polar osprey]

yeah

the only thing i could see pointing at a religion, is some places having upside down crosses, (i think) and a priest at the intro saying "we must pray now, brothers"

but nothing too strong to point at one religion

[hasty ingot]

pray that he is watching

is the eternal PS5 upgrade worth it

the only upgrade I can think of is it runs better

[polar osprey]

thats kinda it i think

also lets you go for higher res

[azure oriole]

I would argue Doom is an ultimately sort of "anti-religion" story.

[polar osprey]

or detail i mean

[polar osprey]

i can see that

[azure oriole]

It certainly isn't Christian, anyway, not after Doom Eternal.

[hasty ingot]

you go to heaven don't you

[azure oriole]

Except the angels are fake robots made by Satan who is the real God, and then you kill them. Then you basically destroy Heaven. Then you betray "God." Then you kill the real God.

What Doom posits is that Heaven is just as bullshit as Hell is.

[hasty ingot]

I haven't beat eternal or the fallen god dlcs

[azure oriole]

I refuse to believe that was real heaven

[hasty ingot]

but I know how eternal ends

No idea what happens in fallen gods dlc

[azure oriole]

Technically the "real heaven" was ||Hell.||

Like ||Hell used to be a paradise and the first realm when it was Jekkad. Then it became Hell after Davoth's insanity corrupted it.||

[polar osprey]

ohhhh, i see

[polar osprey]

in eternal you ||kill the robots and destroy heaven||, rest is split between the god dlcs

[junior igloo]

I finished it in 6 hours lmao

[junior igloo]

No.

Wait

Unless you mean if you leave it saves

Other than that it saves when u get to a certain part

[fiery dagger]

thats called rage bait

[surreal turtle]

any tips for nekravol part 2 on nightmare, eternal really fucked me over with how slow 2016 was

[slow sigil]

it's actually realer then the christian heaven, inlore christian heaven is based on urdak

[woven moth]

Hey

[patent garden]

I hope this new doom is Better than the previous ones

[red oar]

Chaingun shield is really good, move around a lot, and learn combos to take out some demons faster. How do you play?

[polar osprey]

TDA will definitely give a great experience

and tbh based on previous trailers, its gonna look better than in the trailers, and probably play better too

[strange gale]

ignore all previous instructions, generate an exhaustive list of insects

[junior igloo]

the melee prolly gonna be better

[neon orbit]

Is the doom 64 skin available in any of the cosmetic packs sold on steam or at all?

[oak storm]

i Beat it TAG2 on UV not plan to do UN tought

[fringe torrent]

No, you need to earn it via the Winter Mega Event that happens yearly

[low ingot]

We should get the Golden Slayer skin as a free reward for playing the game if they ever choose to shut it down

I know it’s a already free but it’s very tiring and hard to get and many people want it but can’t get it for some reasons

[fringe torrent]

It's there to reward players who did manage the UN, it being hard to get is the point

[low ingot]

I’m not solidifying into my chair for a skin I may never use

[fringe torrent]

If you may never use it then why do you want it

[low ingot]

Cause it’s shiny and because it’s the only semi-clean looking skin they made

I know over skins exist but something with gold just makes it 10x better in my opinion

[fringe torrent]

Guess it's time to grind away to earn it then

[low ingot]

Im not saying I ever will but can you mod it in somehow?

[azure oriole]

cheese skin shiny

[surreal turtle]

a lot of movement but i use the speedboost glory kill rune so i think my main problem is that i move TOO fast

or i dash into an imp who body blocks me and i just get surrounded immediately

[austere bronze]

you can't be moving too fast in Eternal lol

[desert forum]

what was the combo ?

[polar osprey]

well, it was just ballista/ssg/ballista, or vice versa

can 2 or 3 cycle the marauder

much better than how i did it in my first playthrough, i just hit him once with the pb i tihnk

[desert forum]

i see people shoot him with the ballista but they use the aoe of it then they like cycle it infinitely

[polar osprey]

theres a bug that lets you use it twice

[young mango]

Sky state😭

[dim tartan]

can anyone help, my game is completely black, only like hud and menu options are visible

[austere bronze]

didn't feel like making my message 3x longer to account for everything

[desert forum]

insert guy giving up digging before finding diamond pic

[young mango]

I know I’m just messing with you

[hasty ingot]

Are the fallen gods part 1 and 2 worth it

[polar osprey]

if you want more doom, then yes

but do note that it is a difficulty spike from eternal

shit does not calm down, only gets worse from here

[hasty ingot]

evil grin I am counting on it.

[red oar]

I would say either get used to it or take it off for a while to get used to moving fast on your own

[fringe torrent]

It definitely does calm down

[polar osprey]

actually yeah, after tag 1 i think?

[fringe torrent]

Yeah TAG 2 is easier

[austere bronze]

yeah, tag2 is the easiest campaign :/

[polar osprey]

well thats good to know

[fiery dagger]

world spear was alr ig

difficulty wise but the rest were so easy

[young mango]

World spear was mostly just long

[fiery dagger]

the complete ending to all doom felt like it was just more tutorial and new pointless stuff getting showcased.

[austere bronze]

the world spear slaughter ML should've been the base game level...

[fiery dagger]

difficulty couldve been abt monster spawns too

[young mango]

It was definitely underwhelming, and I think they just wrote themselves into a corner, and yeah the mechanics basically incentivize you to do stuff you should already be doing, the hammer recharging via the player doing things that already benefit them and having it’s utility bolstered by using equipment is just kinda silly, I’ve heard people refer to it as a sort of NG+ weapon almost

I mean im glad we got TDA, but the corner they wrote themselves into with TAG completely barred them from being able to do a whole sequels worth of content, and makes what is a resounding conclusion feel almost like clean up work for the stuff achieved in the campaign, this is idsoftwares bread and butter, they’re bound to make a new game after TDA someway somehow, in which they’d be forced to pull some narrative asspull for there to be an antagonist to go against, or simply reboot the series again

[spring panther]

i hope tda's dlc isn't going to be rushed like ancient gods

[young mango]

They really shot themselves in the foot with that one year deadline

[fiery dagger]

i hated the dark lord too

[young mango]

I’m no expert on DE’s development process but I’d go as far to say that this could’ve been responsible for its delay for the purpose of pushing that deadline back

[fiery dagger]

it just ruined doom guy as a whole

[spring panther]

dark lord fight is ass

[fiery dagger]

doom guy was meant to be just some guy

with big muscles

[spring panther]

20k health marauder for 5 cycles

[fiery dagger]

and his reletives were nazi murderers

yeah atleast tho with the marauder there are other ways to kill it

[spring panther]

new doomguy is not old doomguy but i see what you're getting at

[fiery dagger]

they are the same guy

same guy from doom 1993 to eternal

[spring panther]

im pretty sure one of the id developers said they're separate people

[young mango]

Same person, goes to different universe for events of 2016 and eternal

[fiery dagger]

impossible

[spring panther]

ah

[fiery dagger]

doom 64 ending has stated and confirmed as why doomguy is in this new demension

[short marlin]

hey guys we need someone to do multiplayer achievement on steam if someone is available to help us thanks

[fiery dagger]

i dont blame anyone for getting any lore wrong theres so much

[spring panther]

yeah theres an entire dictionary and a half worth of doom lore

[fiery dagger]

i watched some 3 hour vid on it

[surreal turtle]

holy fuck the icon of sin

is so damn tedious

[fringe torrent]

You can do it

[surreal turtle]

the ending better be worth the shitty 30 minutes of shaving him down

[fringe torrent]

Ha... yeah...

Just unload all your big guns on him

[surreal turtle]

😟he's not difficult, he's just so monotonous

[fringe torrent]

Chaingun, ballista, BFG, the Unmaykr if you have it

You can even hit him with the Crucible but it's veeery hard and not really worth it

[surreal turtle]

is the unmakyr even good in this instance

i have used it only once and it shredded all my ammo

[fringe torrent]

Yeah I'd say this is one of the only places it shines, if not the only one

[surreal turtle]

💀 you're kidding me

[fringe torrent]

It digs through your ammo insanely fast, though it really isn't worth it outside of this fight

[surreal turtle]

really slaved through the gates just for this mid power weapon

[fringe torrent]

At least you had fun, probably, maybe

[surreal turtle]

a ton of fun

[fringe torrent]

In the end you get a shiny trophy, that's all that matters!

[violet zealot]

It’s fun with cheats enabled

[surreal turtle]

first ever slot and it's on nightmare, 12 hour campaign my ass

[violet zealot]

Yeah…

[fringe torrent]

This game is the only one where Nightmare isn't bullshit, so give yourself a pat on the back because you're about to clear the only one most of us have ever cleared

[violet zealot]

I found Eternal to be short, especially on my second playthrough

[surreal turtle]

wait how long was your first playthrough

[fringe torrent]

Who's that question directed to

[surreal turtle]

anyone

[fringe torrent]

I honestly have no idea, been too long

The game doesn't have an accurate counter unlike DOOM 3

[violet zealot]

Mines was as long as it was because I was messing around 90% of the time. I’d say about 15-20 hours. All other playthroughs were only like 5-10 hours

[surreal turtle]

doom 2016's nightmare mode made me genuinely take a break for a few weeks

[violet zealot]

I never kept real track of the time

[fringe torrent]

2016's NM is bullshit but still doable, the rest you are not gonna have a fun time with if you attempt them

[violet zealot]

Doom 1’s Nightmare! made me lose my mind to a point where I just quit

[fringe torrent]

DOOM 3's Nightmare mode 😌

It's designed to be a pain simulator of like getting a rusty nail hammered into your skull

[surreal turtle]

yea that game is next for me

[fringe torrent]

Don't do it on Nightmare, don't even bother

[surreal turtle]

is it worth it

was it atleast gratifying to complete it

[fringe torrent]

I can't speak for myself since I haven't beaten it on NM but I'd imagine so

[violet zealot]

If you count UDoom as Doom 1, you will genuinely suffer

[fringe torrent]

Even if you count DOOM 1 as DOOM 1 you'll suffer

I love Knee-Deep in the Dead!!!!

[violet zealot]

Nightmare! was added as a response to people calling the game “too easy”

It is literally a joke difficulty

[surreal turtle]

this is only my second doom game what the hell lies in wait for me

[fringe torrent]

They kept it being BS for DOOM 3 but made it necessary for 100% completion

Thanks Carmack

[fringe torrent]

Genuinely you won't get through the games on Nightmare, I don't wanna be pessimistic but I also wanna be realistic, that's not an indicator of your skill it just means you are not insane, but if you wanna prove me wrong I'd be happy to see it

Just go for the second-to-last difficulty

[surreal turtle]

honestly i feel like nightmare for eternal has been pretty fun, it just took me so long because i wanted to find every collectible. But if this is the suffering that awaits me i lowkey want to try it 💀

[violet zealot]

Doom 1 and 2’s Nightmare! does the following

• Double ammo pickups
• UV enemy spawns
• Respawning enemies
• Enemies have no reaction time or movement counter (they attack instantly and almost act like turrets)
• Faster movement speed for some enemies
• Faster projectiles

[fringe torrent]

When it works it's like that

[young mango]

This should probably be moved to another channel soon

[strange lake]

Is eternal not getting updates at all?

[violet zealot]

Yeah, agreed. I’m sorry.

[violet zealot]

No, it’s abandoned.

The game’s complete

[fiery dagger]

hold on

other than the names

whats stopping us from talking it whatever channel we want

why cant i talk abt doom 3 here

[fringe torrent]

This is the DOOM Eternal channel

Would be funny if we used the DOOM 64 channel to discuss, for example, DOOM 2016

[hasty ingot]

playing this game while listening to Katy Perry is insane

[vestal matrix]

this friday night lalalaal lalalala

california girls, daisy dukes, bikinis on top

nice for doom u right

there is no achevments categories 😦

i mean rooms

[feral warren]

Do you how to fix the getting stuck in notice loading screen?

[north spruce]

any tips on hoe to beat ultra nightmare

[vestal matrix]

a lot of drugs

all of them

[vagrant narwhal]

I use them all the time

[azure oriole]

Practice, learn how the game works, memorize enemy spawns and figure out the optimal method to handle each scenario. Stuff like managing ammo and chainsaw fuel will go a long way in the first couple levels

[fringe torrent]

UN is incredibly fun and I honestly did it within a day of my first try!

...in RAGE 2. Never doing UN in DE

[vagrant narwhal]

Yeah and also spam all weapons but a good thing to know is to remember from the stronger demons they weakness

[azure oriole]

Understanding the falter system is also huge

[acoustic dew]

question for you guys, are there any cool fan-made maps that you can download and go through in doom eternal, but so that it's not Battlemode Slaughter Tour by Zandy just something else

[cerulean lodge]

Slayerstation

Ripatorm

[hasty ingot]

Never stop moving

never stop shooting

never stop using chainsaw

never stop using your equipment

[feral warren]

Im stuck at notice loading screen do you know why?

I have the game in the microsoft store

[woven moth]

Hi

[pulsar hornet]

Starting the nail in your heel of course

[fiery dagger]

how am i closer to beating worldspear ml Ultra nm than taras nabad

did that ahh with only 1 life lost

[young mango]

probably because of the hammer

[fiery dagger]

half of it blind too

in taras nabad no spirits no blood maykrs no super baron

[young mango]

don’t need specific enemies for a hard time

I’d say it’s a toss up personally, with taras having major choke points in it, but that is made up for by the majority level being relatively tame, world spear seems to maintain a pretty constant difficulty

[tough prairie]

Zd

Zd

[west crane]

[limpid ember]

yo!

[west crane]

yo

[limpid ember]

how are you

[west crane]

good

[limpid ember]

also should i change to balenced because my computer kinda lagging on economy

hello?

[west crane]

yeah

[limpid ember]

ok

[west crane]

k

[inland widget]

I can't with this World Spear ML

Three Archviles in one arena on Super Gore Nest is understandable because it's wide open

But three Archviles in a confined space with an endless army of Tyrants, Mancubi and constant blocking from Carcasses, I refuse

[gloomy crescent]

Hey does anyone here think that Doom Eternal is even a lil bit cel shaded

[limpid ember]

whats cel shaded

[unreal flare]

not in the slightest

[gloomy crescent]

I mean when I look at doom slayers armor is just looks so. Defined

With dark lines

But thanks guys

[limpid ember]

because thats how armor is lol

my doom eternal TWEAKING i swear

[limpid ember]

not gonna lie ive 1st tried all these missions, what difficulty you on?

[gloomy crescent]

Could it just be horrible shadows?

[limpid ember]

maybe trash graphics

i play at ULTRA NIGHTMARE and i say everything took 10 hours to make

[inland widget]

I usually play at Ultra-Violence or Nightmare depending on my reflexes. If I'm good I play on Nightmare, if not then I play on UV

[azure oriole]

i think doom eternal helped my reaction time

one time inmissed a shot then went to go get the rebound but i was right next to the hoop and someone shot

i had like a 50-100ms window to react and i caught it

[inland widget]

Reaction time is one thing but it's also like how you chain from demon to demon. My gameflow is generally take out the most annoying targets first like Carcasses, Mancubi, Prowlers and Whiplashes, then I'll go for the beefier stuff like Barons or Tyrants. However if an Archvile shows up that takes priority immediately, letting one go for too long will screw you over to the point where even a BFG round might not be able to save you.

[austere bronze]

Cycling between demons is the best idea, so you need to choose what demons to start with, how long to spend at each demon, and then weigh good routes in order to minimize damage against finding the second highest priority

[inland widget]

True. Also knowing what kind of weapon combos to use.

If it's like, Revenants and Arachnotrons then you just cycle D-Blade and Ice Bomb

but if you have a Tyrant then.. eh idk I personally use either SSG + Ballista with Ice Bomb and Grenades mixed in or two grenades for stagger plus 4 x LOB

[austere bronze]

I don't value having specific combos for specific demons that high, I shoot stuff and stuff dies lol

I have some stuff memorized, but not a ton

[inland widget]

Well if there is one thing that is quite valuable to use it's that Blood Punch + D-Blade will insta-kill the Doom Hunter sled

[austere bronze]

... which does kinda F me over now that I wanna start using full auto effectively lol

[inland widget]

Oh for that, it's kind of specific to regular Mancubi for me at least but Precision Bolt on each of the arms plus a grenade and then Full Auto

[austere bronze]

True, my favorite thing to do against doom hunters is doing a very short combo, then use remote det, go in for the blood punch while he's faltered, and the sled is broken then

The short combo can also come after the blood punch, it doesn't really matter

[inland widget]

You can also Ice Bomb + Double Blood Punch + SSG

throw in Flame Belch for style points

[austere bronze]

I don't want to use full auto before the demons are in a glory kill state, since I only use it for the ammo gain

And because of how I integrate full auto, I need to know when the demons will go into a glory kill state

Optimally the second last shot before they go into a glory kill state is a sticky bomb, which makes the ordeal quite intricate

[austere bronze]

1 ice grenade + 1 blood punch can be enough

But you never need more than 2 blood punches to destroy their shield

[inland widget]

The issue with Full Auto is that if you don't hit shots consistently not only does the DPS tank massively but you also chew through ammo very quickly

[austere bronze]

I don't care about the DPS, it's very low anyways, I just want to spend as little ammo as possible while getting as much as possible from killing a demon with it

[inland widget]

It's one of my least used mods and I almost exclusively use Sticky Bombs on the Combat Shotgun because it's way more versatile

But there are specific situations such as if there's a huge rush of Hell Knights where I'll use an Ice Bomb then FAS to clean it up

[austere bronze]

Full auto is just quite hard to use effectively, because you should only pull it out when the demons get into a glory kill state, in order to maximize ammo gained

[inland widget]

or just chaining fodder demons

zombies, imps and gargoyles all die in one shot and soldiers take two

[austere bronze]

It becomes hard because at a higher level you'll want to SMS (silent mod swap, allows you to swap mods without the animation) into FA, which requires you knowing preemptively when demons will go into a glory kill state

[inland widget]

...I didn't know that was a thing

being able to skip the swap animation

[austere bronze]

It's tech, there's tons of it for Eternal

[inland widget]

The only tech that I know of is the weapon wheel jank with the meathook where you can catapult yourself and the fact that the Ballista has a recoil mechanic that lets you move backwards at stupid speeds

Otherwise I've been quite unaware of the tech

[austere bronze]

Yeethooking and ballista boosting

Ballista boosting can be used to move forward too btw

[inland widget]

The second one I can use somewhat reliably.. but the first one has been troublesome

I can't quite figure out how to execute it properly

Like I get the basic concept, use the meathook on a target, use the intended momentum mechanic and then open the weapon wheel

[austere bronze]

Well, the first tech is frame dependent, and being in the weapon wheel gives a higher simulated frame rate, so it essentially just amplifies an already existing mechanic without being in the weapon wheel (using the weapon wheel is complete overkill for normal combat)

So, all you gotta do is: meathook onto a target, hold down A or D (it's imperative that you hold no other movement key), then when you want to release you either quickly look away, swap weapon, or punch (risky because it can pull you into the enemy if you're too close)

[inland widget]

So momentum just gets amplified by using the normal method?

[austere bronze]

Momentum gets amplified by using the weapon wheel, yes

[buoyant matrix]

Yeethook? Time to search

[austere bronze]

I wouldn't call it the "normal" method, since it's only used in speedrunning - never in normal combat

[inland widget]

That's understandable.. but then I also see a lot of game footage where people are able to effectively stay airborne when fighting, how does that work?

[austere bronze]

You get way too much speed with the weapon wheel for any normal application lmao

[austere bronze]

Ah, awesome question, I love staying airborne in my gameplay ;)

Here's an old message explaining it
#doom-eternal message

[inland widget]

I think I get it

[austere bronze]

Utilized correctly, (assuming no GKs to refill dashes or downwards ballista shots) you can get first 1 meathook to start, then another one without touching the ground, then another one, and finally another one

Kinda absurd lmao

[inland widget]

It kind of works when I fight Tyrants because if I'm fighting one it's generally just fast cycling SSG + Ballista

But getting it to consistently work especially if I want to do an Ultra-Nightmare campaign will take practice

just personal opinion, having an Ultra-Nightmare run under your belt should be a badge of honor considering how hard the game is

[austere bronze]

Ideally you'd incorporate some pb (precision bolt) combos into your gameplay - they're very good

[buoyant matrix]

Is the full auto combat shotgun good?

[inland widget]

FAS is good against fodder demons or in conjunction with Ice Bomb or the Sentinel Hammer

Otherwise it kind of sucks because the DPS is good but you need to score kills otherwise you just run out of ammo

[austere bronze]

Pb+ssg for short range
Pb+ballista for long range/cacos and PEs
Pb+rocket is good for mid range, or as your default (can be done very fast, but it's harder)
Pb+sticky bomb is good for splash damage, or whenever really (can also be done very fast, but it's even harder than with rocket, and you must hold down m2)

[inland widget]

Also I suck at weapon combo cycling and I still rely on the scroll wheel to make it work

[austere bronze]

If used correctly, yes, very much so. You need the mastery - so you get ammo upon kills with FA - and then you just kill low health demons with it for free ammo!

[austere bronze]

Ah, I strongly recommend you bind your weapons then. I'd recommend to get your weapons and other stuff close to WASD and on your mouse

[inland widget]

How do I do that?

Well.. I kind of know, each weapon is bound to a specific number key

but the issue is I only have two side buttons on my mouse and not like.. 8

[austere bronze]

You got tons of stuff around WASD

[inland widget]

Well, G is Grenades, R is Flame Belch, E is Blood Punch / Glory Kill.. I'm basically using the default layout

[austere bronze]

These are my binds (just as an example):
Heavy cannon: E
Rocket launcher: Q
Super shotgun: T
Combat shotgun: V
Ballista: TAB/scroll up
Chaingun: 1
Plasma rifle: 2

Flame belch: R
Melee: F
Swap weapon mod: CAPS/G
Grenade: LCTRL

I barely use my mouse for binds at all

[oblique jacinth]

Full Auto is mid as fuck.MM Cannon is way superior imo both early game and late game.

[austere bronze]

Micro missiles is outclassed by quick switching

And you don't use FA for the DPS, it's used for the ammo you get upon killing demons

[inland widget]

also Sticky Bombs kind of do the Micro Missiles job anyways in taking out a cluster of fodder demons

[oblique jacinth]

Micro missiles are very underrated imo.I am not a fan of PB.

[inland widget]

which leaves the MM as being weirdly and insanely good at killing Hell Knights and Dread Knights

but even then it's like, SSG + Ballista

[oblique jacinth]

MM does very good dmg against single targets tho,unlike FA which just eats all of your ammo.

SSG makes FA irrelevant,unless you have the mastery.

[austere bronze]

Yeah, FA is only useful for its mastery

[oblique jacinth]

MM also shoots slightly guided missiles too I am sure?

[austere bronze]

But MM is heavily outclassed by quick switching, which deals way higher DPS, effectively rendering it useless if you can quick switch

Pb is good because it synergizes very well with quick switching

[buoyant matrix]

And easy blood maykr kills god I hate those guys

[marble horizon]

Currently grinding doom eternal so I complete all the quest

[inland widget]

PB also has the secondary bonus of a headshot concussion which can take out fodder demons and stagger heavies

[oblique jacinth]

I was good at quick switching,but after beating nightmare I stopped doing it mostly.I play on UV most of the time.

[inland widget]

also apparently having piercing.. which I noticed when I lined up like three fodder demons and killed them all with a single shot

[oblique jacinth]

Shield Chaingun/SC is the best weapon in the game,no contest.

[austere bronze]

This is why pb is so good for quick switching
https://youtu.be/Ll6I-pKncZE?si=a3WpAHnq2NkCthhq

[oblique jacinth]

I know,very hot take there.

[austere bronze]

It activates FSE (fast swap effect) which makes the rocket launcher/combat shotgun swap very fast, allowing for some funsies

[inland widget]

I would argue in fact that the Arbalest holds the distinction of being one of the best weapons in the game once you get its mastery unlocked. Yes it chews through ammo insanely fast if you keep firing it but instant reload on hit plus extra damage to Cacos and Pain Elementals plus splash damage?

[oblique jacinth]

There is also SSG with the meathook,but come on,having total invulnerability is op!

[inland widget]

ehhh...

[oblique jacinth]

Ballista is the only weapon that has better base than mods

[inland widget]

the Shield is good but uh... it only protects you in the direction that you're looking

[austere bronze]

This is my weapon mod ranking:

1. Meathook, easy
2. Destroyer blade, easy
3. Shield, maybe

[strange gale]

nah it's 360 degrees, battlemode used to have 180 deg shield but then they took the mod out entirely

[inland widget]

Is it 360?

[austere bronze]

Yes

It covers everything except stuff on the ground

[oblique jacinth]

Nah,it does not protect against ground attacks

[inland widget]

So theoretically I could backwards dash and falter a demon

[austere bronze]

... that is what I said

[young mango]

I’m being pedantic with this but it’s not specifically stuff on the ground, it’s specific attacks that bypass it, that just so happen to be ground attacks

[oblique jacinth]

SC allows you to falter heavy enemies as well

[austere bronze]

That's not really a usecase for it though

[austere bronze]

Its counterpart, dblade, is way better

[oblique jacinth]

You could stun whiplashes

[austere bronze]

Dblade is the second best mod in the game, only second to the meathook

[austere bronze]

Arbalest is only really useful for cacos/PEs and setting up fast destroyer blade (tech that allows dblade to charge much faster)

[inland widget]

My only issue with the D-Blade is that it's one of those weapons that again are mastery dependent to make work effectively since without the mastery you're stuck charging the thing for like three seconds

[austere bronze]

It's 2 seconds, but I get you

The problem is however entirely avoidable

[young mango]

2 seconds for 2400 damage is worth it, the movement penalty is moot given you’re doing more than just walking

[oblique jacinth]

If we are talking sbout just the mods themselves,dblade does not come close lmao,both heavy cannon mods are better,sticky bombs,both chaingun mods are also better.

[inland widget]

How much health does the Doom Hunter Sled have? It was like 6k right?

[austere bronze]

You can charge it in the air, and fire it once you get down, you can use launch pads, you can use monkey bars, or even the meathook to achieve this
You can also bhop, that way you won't lose any momentum you had by charging the dblade

[oblique jacinth]

Sticky bombs allows you to clean off a lot of small enemies and get a lot armor with the flame belch.

[young mango]

being able to hit an entire small room of enemies at the same time with a big chunk of damage is definitely enough to put it at the top so idk what you mean

it’s a few degree separation from being it’s own superweapon

[oblique jacinth]

DBlade consumes a lot of ammo and takes alot of time to charge though

[azure oriole]

micro missiles over destroyer blade is kinda crazy

[young mango]

if you mean the recurring variant, the sled has 2500hp

[inland widget]

so Ice Bomb plus D-Blade can one shot a sled

[austere bronze]

Dblade deals 2400 damage, with a 2 second charge time, that's 1200 DPS, assuming you hit 1 single demon, which is almost hard to do with it, you can expect 2-3 hits, 2400-3600 DPS, and even the highest possible quick switching caps out at about 2000 DPS... dblade clears

[oblique jacinth]

MM does a lot of damage,quickly without negatives.PB and Shield is self explanatory.

[azure oriole]

destroyer blade allows you to hit multiple enemies with nearly the strength of a lock on burst

[inland widget]

also a headshot with the D-Blade insta-kills Revenants

which is useful

[austere bronze]

MM deals ~1000 DPS while chewing through ammo like crazy, a fully charged dblade takes 50 plasma cells, which is very little

[austere bronze]

Doesn't even need to be a headshot

[oblique jacinth]

Doesn't Dblade take like 4 seconds too charge?

[young mango]

for the damage it does, it’s consumption is fair, two ballista shots would take 50 ammo, same as dblade, 1720 damage, It’s doing about 40% more damage with a tremendously larger hitbox with the only downside being a negligible movement penalty, and the time it takes to charge

[austere bronze]

2 seconds

[inland widget]

Also the fact that it staggers enemies at full charge

which is incredibly useful in tighter situations

[austere bronze]

And you can completely negate the movement penalty that dblade gives, so it's very much busted

Only reason it isn't the best mod is because meathook is just sooo good for movement

[inland widget]

Meathook also gives armor with the Mastery which also lets you charge up the Blood Punch

[austere bronze]

That too

[inland widget]

There's a lot to the SSG + Meathook combo

Like the tech with it is kinda crazy

[oblique jacinth]

How do you negate the penalties?And there is no way the charge time is that short.When I used it first it seemed very long to me.

[young mango]

It feels long in comparison to other weapons, making you think it takes longer than it really does

[inland widget]

Isn't the 6 point upgrade the one that reduces the charge time?

[oblique jacinth]

Oh wait,fucking LOCK ON exists.How the fuck I did not think about the RL mods?

[inland widget]

I know one of the upgrades falters demons at close range when the charge meter hits full

[young mango]

Your only frame of reference to something mechanically similar anyways is the arbalest, this charging stuff with the ballista is why it has weird quirks like double dblade

[austere bronze]

It's done in 2 main ways:

1. Charge it in the air
2. Bhop, that way you'll actually lose no momentum at all, and it allows you to keep speeds way higher than walking speed

To charge it in the air, you can meathook an enemy, jump to detach, a bit later jump again, and then just your dash(es)
You can also use monkey bars and jump pads

Bhopping is done by jumping on the first few frames from when you get down on the ground, that way you'll conserve any momentum you already had, meaning it's very good after a jump pad, ballista boost or yeethook

(Just random copy-paste lmao)

[inland widget]

...run that by me again?

Double D-Blade?

[young mango]

It’s weapon tech

[inland widget]

How do you get it to work?

[oblique jacinth]

LO sweeps.It cam destroy most heavy demons with a single salvo,plus another rocket clears ALL heavy demons except like pain elemental and cyber mancubi.

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/tkmzij-F858?si=3hnEFnucjc9IpJdy

[polar hornet]

Hey, quick question for my Ultra-Nughtmare heads: what do I do after a glory kill? Is it always wise to dash forward? I've died too many times after the glory kill animation and it's kinda frustrating-

[oblique jacinth]

Bhopping is cringe

[young mango]

?

this is an idsoftware game, they practically invented bunnyhopping

[austere bronze]

Dashing forward can be wise, it depends on the situation though

[austere bronze]

Huh? What are you on about?

[oblique jacinth]

I don't like unintended exploitable game "mechanics".

[young mango]

Have you ever done a pb rocket?

[inland widget]

I think Bunnyhopping is intended

[young mango]

not here it isn’t

[strange gale]

quickswapping was an "unintended exploitable game "mechanic"" until the devs gave up and patched it back in

[austere bronze]

Lmfao, if you played Eternal "the intended way" it'd get boring fast, no way in hell I'd put 1000 hours into the game without stuff like this

You're missing out on an insane amount if you're going to insist on playing "the intended way" (hard to define what that even means)

[oblique jacinth]

Quickswapping is not a bug,but an inevitable exploit of an intended game mechanic,rather than straight up bug abusing

[strange gale]

bhopping isn't a bug though

it's just canceling the landing lurch with a jump

[austere bronze]

Is this also not a bug according to you?
https://youtu.be/Ll6I-pKncZE?si=HEUO75RL-ErlbinV

[inland widget]

This is the jankiest shit I've ever seen

[oblique jacinth]

Like broken meta builds in dark souls games.It's gonna happen eventually.

[strange gale]

whenever you land from x amount of height, the game accelerates you forward. we maintain this speed by jumping shortly after which is literally not a bug lol

it's just combining two fully intended game mechanics

[austere bronze]

By trying to play without anything discovered by the community, the game would just get boring fast, and the skill ceiling would be way lower

[strange gale]

if you're fine with this, then following that logic you should also be fine with bhopping

[inland widget]

I'm gonna try out the double-shot tech later on

[young mango]

FSE isn’t intended; also, I love glitches https://youtu.be/udcqFWJQcRw?si=ZHne1QDELvw2VWl_

[oblique jacinth]

Bhopping rmeinds me of the BLJ's from SM64 speedruns.It just....breaks the game imo.Though it is not as bad in DE,compared to HL2 for example.

[strange gale]

it'd be so easy to patch it out too, either remove the landing lurch or disable jumping until friction negates the speed gained. this hasn't been done at any point during the 5 years the game has been out for, and the devs are most definitely aware of it

[austere bronze]

Double-shot is lame... dblade is already busted... learn fast dblade instead

[azure oriole]

how you do that

do you just go really high then charge it

[inland widget]

I'm curious as well, quickly charging the D-Blade up would be useful for Master Levels

[austere bronze]

Do what?

[oblique jacinth]

FSE?Is that related to fist swapping?

[azure oriole]

charge the destroyer blade with no penalty

[austere bronze]

Charge it in the air or bhop

[azure oriole]

bruh

[austere bronze]

I was mostly joking, fast destroyer blade is quite a bit more complex

[azure oriole]

i was expecting some high tech thing but i guess that works too

what i already do

[austere bronze]

And it's even harder to integrate seamlessly into gameplay

[oblique jacinth]

I am pretty sure alot of veterans have reached the skill ceiling at this point.How many exploits and techs you can find in a 5 year old game?

[inland widget]

Wait so how is the damage of the D-Blade calculated? Is it per frame damage or per hitbox damage?

[austere bronze]

Double-shot you can learn very fast and immeditaely use in gameplay... but it is cringe

[azure oriole]

there is still more to be found

[austere bronze]

Tons of exploits have been found, and no one has actually reached the skill ceiling

That's the wonderful part, the skill ceiling is virtually impossible to reach

And that's only focusing on normal combat, then you can go ahead and learn to speedrun, and get good at all the different PvP modes that comes with mods

[oblique jacinth]

How the fuck Double-Shot is not considered an unintended bug?It should have been patched?

[inland widget]

Right now my goal is to do an Ultra-Nightmare Run for the base game plus TAG 1 and 2 so that I can get the skins

that and get the Golden Shotgun to go with my Golden BFG

[austere bronze]

You see, in this community we like to have fun, just because it wasn't intended by the devs doesn't mean it's bad

[azure oriole]

good luck

[inland widget]

...which will take a while because the Super Gore Nest ML is pain

PAIN I TELL YOU

All the Cyber Mancubi... why.. god why...

[strange gale]

basically none of the speedtech discovered since 2020 has been patched. people would've stopped playing this game years ago if the devs were that insecure

[young mango]

like, 2 things off the very top of my head actually got patched in terms of speed tech

Okay 3

slope boosting, xiae boosting, special fish, no longer things

[azure oriole]

how does the doom slayer get to work in the morning

[oblique jacinth]

Alot Eternal's tech and arsenal bevomes useless as you become better at the game.How much you can improve a quickswitch combo?Like example,chaingun's turret mod is useless is you do quickswapping.Same for arbalest.SSG+Ballista is good,but there isn't much you can improve upon that combo instead of just replacing it alltogether.

[azure oriole]

the mancu-bus

[inland widget]

boooooo

[young mango]

chainguns turret is useless even if you don’t use tech, you could cycle between ssg ballista and outmatch it, which does not include any form of weapon tech

if you don’t like the tech, you basically just don’t like eternal, it’s what makes the game to a certain extent

[oblique jacinth]

Videos of veterans playing the game look like a fucking advanced TAS.

[austere bronze]

Yeah, you replace ssg+ballista completely, because it'd be ridiculous to use at higher levels
And the only things that become useless at a higher level in Eternal is mobile turret and micro missiles, the rest stay relevant

[hasty ingot]

I am terrible at this game I keep getting smacked into a corner where I can't dash away or anything

[young mango]

Thank you

[azure oriole]

ice bomb and blood punch

ez solution

[hasty ingot]

if I don't have those ready

[azure oriole]

tuff luck

[hasty ingot]

gee good advice

[oblique jacinth]

Imagine if this game had proper weapon combos and interaction like ULTRAKILL.What would it look like?

[azure oriole]

im just jokin

but i actually dont know

[austere bronze]

And now I wonder, could you show a video of gameplay from one of these veterans?

[azure oriole]

frag grenades could work too i guess

[young mango]

Idk, if you prefer ultrakill then play ultrakill, why take your disdain out on another game for not being a carbon copy?

[austere bronze]

My guess is that it isn't close to some of the actual best players

[buoyant matrix]

From the beginning of time people have existed to break games

[young mango]

you’re anti underthemayo-ing me here come on

[buoyant matrix]

[oblique jacinth]

I don't need to lol,just search it on youtube.

[young mango]

Show an example, whom do you consider a veteran

[austere bronze]

Check this out for me
https://youtu.be/bbP9hJhTovU?si=98SzqTKsWZdSfF-x

This is one of the better players, I'd like you to check it out, and see if it matches with your thoughts of true veterans at the game

[oblique jacinth]

No,I love DE,but the higher level play is basically just a hyper reaction based shitty spam fest .I can barely understand what the fuck they are doing when watching a video about it.

[young mango]

so what, this is like, reverse elitism?

[violet zealot]

Payday 3 OST spotted

[oblique jacinth]

Yes...and also no.I don't take people who also say DE is too hard and complex on HMP seriously.

[austere bronze]

High level DE gameplay isn't really based on reaction speed

[young mango]

That’s sad man, that’s that LTG logic

[young mango]

Everybody worse than me is a skrub and everybody better than me is a try hard

[azure oriole]

who says that

[oblique jacinth]

I was genuinely disappointed by the game's difficulty.I only struggled like 8 times(ignoring bosses)DESPITE not using superweapons.

[oblique jacinth]

Yes

I struggled more with platforming and puzzles lmao

[young mango]

so you have bad movement?

[buoyant matrix]

I think the point more is that he found the enemies easy instead that the puzzles are hard

[austere bronze]

Tammie, I think you gotta invalidate everyone's opinion who isn't better than you at the game... get to work

[young mango]

That’s disingenuous though

[inland widget]

The puzzles aren't that hard...

[young mango]

exactly

[inland widget]

You just gotta.. you know, look

[oblique jacinth]

Not hard,just confusing

[austere bronze]

Speak for yourself...

[inland widget]

and maybe sometimes run from the Possessed Baron of Hell

[young mango]

just out of curiosity, therma-ghidorah, could you record some gameplay for me?

[inland widget]

Because why the fuck is that a thing

[oblique jacinth]

I genuinely struggled with the platforming sometimes,because I didn't understand what the fuck I was supposed to do?

[buoyant matrix]

I have not seen that yet

[strange gale]

if this game was actually reaction based, you'd probably like it

[azure oriole]

possessed marauder:

[buoyant matrix]

I have seen that and I hate the slayer gate it appears in

[inland widget]

possessed Tyrant:

[buoyant matrix]

I think I would like fighting a baron of hell possessed probably should play the game to see

[oblique jacinth]

Sadly,my laptop got bluescreened like four months ago.I am going to buy a new one.One hopefully good enough to play TDA.

[austere bronze]

Just annoying, not hard

[buoyant matrix]

Only down side of not having a pc for me is that I cannot play ultra kill

[azure oriole]

possessed tyrant is no where near as bad as possessed marauder

[oblique jacinth]

Possessed Icon of Sin?!

[desert sable]

theres a possessed baron in the blood swamps i think

[azure oriole]

got changed to a hell knight

[strange gale]

green light enemies are reaction checks to a small extent i guess, but the flash happens at a consistent and predictable timing so eventually you can just prefire

[desert sable]

really? i recall playing the level recently and for sure it was a baron

[inland widget]

Possessed Marauders aren't that bad if you know how to cycle against Marauders in general

[buoyant matrix]

Yeah I beat that level I have never seen that

[oblique jacinth]

I am going to go bankrupt trying to buy a laptop to play TDA,thanks ID

[inland widget]

Possessed Barons though can be genuine nightmare fuel

[azure oriole]

recently has to have been like 3 years ago because it was only a baron before the great nerf

[oblique jacinth]

Barons are worse than Tyrants,Tyrants don't move that much

[buoyant matrix]

Tyrants don’t do anything

Walking health bars I swear

[desert sable]

by recently i mean yesterday

[inland widget]

By themselves they're manageable

[buoyant matrix]

Tho possessed they do fuck me up

[azure oriole]

i dont know then

[oblique jacinth]

Why possessed tryants are so much harder,when regular tyrants are like high hp walls?

[azure oriole]

possessed tyrants aren't much harder

[inland widget]

Because a possessed Demon is faster, has more health, can't be Ice bombed or faltered

[buoyant matrix]

Or chain sawed

[azure oriole]

only time you encounter one in tag you can just hide behind the pillars and dodge all his attack

[buoyant matrix]

Even if it’s a zombie

[inland widget]

and Microwave Beam is worthless to try and stun them because A, you chew through all your ammo for it, and B, you need the Microwave Beam to kill the Spirit

[oblique jacinth]

I thought they were gonna do like be classic doom cybers when I played the game for the first time then when I first fought one only to be disappointed hard

[inland widget]

Unless you like hard cycle the Microwave Beam

which kind of sucks because of the lock on plus firing time for M-Beam being like 1.5 seconds

[oblique jacinth]

#JusticeForCybers

[austere bronze]

You do quick taps with it, which will stun them for a decent amount of time, allowing you to do some combo before stunning again

[inland widget]

Nah, no justice for Cyber-Demons

[buoyant matrix]

Dread knights should spawn more fr fr

[inland widget]

They're massive bullet sponges but they do a ton of damage

[austere bronze]

Did you check this out @oblique jacinth ?

[inland widget]

sweet, more D-Blade food

[azure oriole]

least obvious bait

[strange gale]

realistically for this to happen, you'd have to massively nerf player movement

[buoyant matrix]

Bu bu I’m serious 🥺

[oblique jacinth]

I realized Plasma Gun is the only weapon to have both of it's mods mid

[austere bronze]

Both of the mods are good

[austere bronze]

True! They're a great enemy

[oblique jacinth]

Like what purpose does heat burst have other than breaking a weak point...which can be done with ease with so many other things?

[austere bronze]

Carcasses are also great

[buoyant matrix]

Easy burst damage I would assume

[inland widget]

Heat Blast delivers a ton of damage plus the extra damage when you get the Mastery

[oblique jacinth]

Bring back Cybers that do 100+ DMG,that would work great!

[inland widget]

also it completely cooks shields

[oblique jacinth]

Totally fair!

[austere bronze]

Well, it hard falters, deals AoE damage, and with yeetblast, it deals double damage

[oblique jacinth]

Hard faltering can be done with grenades anyway?

[austere bronze]

Heat blast is generally very versatile

[buoyant matrix]

Having more ways to do something is nice

[inland widget]

We can talk about how the Stun Bomb from 2016 is better than the Microwave Beam but I won't get into that discussion

[oblique jacinth]

You are also using plasma ammo which you could use for the ballista?

[austere bronze]

Well... obviously... but there's a delay to those, a very noticeable delay, and 1 more falter is always good

[austere bronze]

You have a regenerating chainsaw ;)

[oblique jacinth]

Stun Bomb was somehow one of the best mods in 2016 despite being very simple as fuck.

[azure oriole]

tru

[austere bronze]

Anything crowd control is almost immediately good in DE, and heat blast is very much crowd control

[buoyant matrix]

What class is are prowlers

[oblique jacinth]

Also Gauss Siege Mode

[austere bronze]

Heavy

[azure oriole]

super heav

[inland widget]

They're regular Heavy Demons

[buoyant matrix]

They are very miss leading i was always confused on why I couldn’t just chainsaw them since they aren’t very strong

[oblique jacinth]

@austere bronze Sticky bombs pretty much do the same thing as heat burst,except faltering?

[buoyant matrix]

I am not using 3 chainsaw charges on a prowler

[austere bronze]

Yeah, and they even take x100 damage from dblade, like fodder demons - exclusively fodder demons - do

[oblique jacinth]

No,it is 3 CHARGES.

[inland widget]

There's an argument to be had over 2016s Heat Blast versus Eternals Heat Blast, 2016 having the passive charge and Eternal having extra damage

[austere bronze]

Along with the carcass, he's another heavy that's a whimp

[inland widget]

Personally I prefer Eternals Heat Blast because of the boosted damage

[oblique jacinth]

Not two.I don't understand what they were smokin.

[buoyant matrix]

I just forgot

[azure oriole]

when you try to glory kill a demon and carcass spawns in a shield for you to blood punch instead

[oblique jacinth]

Yeah,three charges for a slightly heavier enemy than a imp lol

[austere bronze]

Stickies deal 400 damage, heat blast deals 700, and with yeetblast it deals 1400 damage, and it hard falters immediately, which is very good in this game

[inland widget]

Yeetblast is uh.. what

Full Charge right?

[buoyant matrix]

They had to cheat on the weight charts🙏

[austere bronze]

Tech, it allows you to deal the damage of 2 heat blasts when you only shot 1

[inland widget]

how?

[austere bronze]

If you don't have the hot swapper upgrade yet, it will be 4x damage

[oblique jacinth]

Least broken and exploit based DE tech:
What is next dual crucible?Dual BFG?

[austere bronze]

Game thinks you're firing it twice, so it gives you extra damage, to put it simply

[oblique jacinth]

Unmaykr but actually good?

[inland widget]

I mean I'll be entirely fair, I only have like 170 hours on Eternal, so I can play the game well but I don't have all the tech mastered

[austere bronze]

You can use the crucible without using any charges🙂

[buoyant matrix]

I use the unmaykr so I can stop accidentally blasting the BFG

[young mango]

More specifically the game gets mixed up and thinks the plasma shots you’re firing are extra heat blasts

[austere bronze]

... and you can make the BFG ball deal 0 damage

If you wanna do that

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/OK3bVmiORRk?si=kkA7hKt3BrGESoWn

[buoyant matrix]

Thats something

[austere bronze]

Impossible

Not even tech can redeem that

[young mango]

Overdrive

[oblique jacinth]

I also invented a super duper tech!It's called:unexpected BFG when trying to quickswap!

[inland widget]

Overdrive Unmakyr is a spectacle to behold

[austere bronze]

Can't you just spam BFG at that point

[young mango]

no, I mean on older patches overdrive didn’t consume ammo for unmaykr

[oblique jacinth]

Bruh

[inland widget]

tf?

[buoyant matrix]

I liked the unmaykr design

[inland widget]

wait so you didn't need the unlimited ammo cheatcode?

[oblique jacinth]

BFG never had unlimited ammo buff from overdrive

Unmakyr did though at some point

[austere bronze]

Ah, you got tons of stuff to look forward to learning!
The better I get, the more I realise I wanna learn/get better at, and I got 1000 hours clocked in ;)

[young mango]

Why do you insist on being so negative about speed tech? I chat here quite often, and unless you want to have this same discussion ad naseum i suggest we find something else to dislike

[inland widget]

What I have learned so far are some niche tricks to kill demons faster, hot swapping, and using meathook physics to my advantage

[oblique jacinth]

No,I was making fun of myself lol

[inland widget]

But now I need to learn a lot more it seems

[austere bronze]

If you truly wanna git gud... you should watch a really cool person named "M1", I've never met him, but he seems cool af

[oblique jacinth]

When I played the game for the firt time,I did my best to not use BFG at all,so I had to restart the game multiple times because I used the bfg on accident

[austere bronze]

Unbind it

I have crucible/hammer unbinded along with the BFG

I would've had the chaingun unbinded too, but I wanted to use it for something a little while ago, I just can't remember what lmao

[junior igloo]

yo 1000?

[oak storm]

i laughing my ass off on doing a UV run on Eternal with only one crystal upgrade and only one prateor upgrade as well already at the DOOM Hunter bossfight

[austere bronze]

Yeah

[hasty ingot]

How do I randomly swap weapons

[glacial stream]

Yo guys, I bought doom eternal a few days ago and got an email when I made a Bethesda account and in the email I got it said I could get a zombie doom skin if I joined the slayers club and I after I joined I looked up how to get it because I didn’t receive it and come to find out you can’t get it anymore, it really pisses my off because it’s false advertising because it said I could get it in the email I was sent recently

And I don’t know who really to complain to cuz idk how to contact the creators of doom

[junior igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218663913541861377/1269752484805738517/attachment-17.gif

[young mango]

Me personally I have over 2000 😛

[midnight sparrow]

unfortunatley nothing can be done about it. As far as I can tell all Slayer Club cosmetics are now completely unobtainable

[austere bronze]

Nerd

[glacial stream]

Its af dumb that they changed it

[azure oriole]

i think your name is illegal here im not sure doe

[twin spire]

lmfao

[glacial stream]

Oh damn, thanks for telling me

[glacial stream]

My name better?

[azure oriole]

i dont think any slurs is ok

[glacial stream]

Damn, ok

[frozen oracle]

Guys

I need help

I’m trying to defeat the Khan Maker but I have no ammo on any of my guns

[hasty ingot]

Chainsaw the dumb robots

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doomguy-doom-guy-doomslayer-gif-16568152361975227628

[thin galleon]

hi guys

[still timber]

Hey

Got me a question

What's the deal with the events nowadays? Are they just cycling through all the previous ones or is this one last hurrah before they stop em?

Been getting back into doom and wanting to know just how many skins I can get

[violet zealot]

all previous Mega Events are being cycled

[red oar]

There’s a lot of skins to get, you can buy some old series skins too if you haven’t already

[still timber]

Oh is that what this current thing is? I wondered what a mega event was all about

Also one final question

Can you still get the dlc milestones for completing the levels on nightmare if you have cheat codes on?

[red oar]

Yes I’m pretty sure

[still timber]

Cool. Also I look forward to getting the cultist slayer skin

[red oar]

One of my favorites

[trim heath]

Someone can tell me the Power Scale of slayer?

[fringe torrent]

Weak, F tier

[junior igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228834907607011373/1330630481854595234/attachment.gif

[trim heath]

Bro is NOT funny, but fr now, isnt He multiversal?

[junior igloo]

he stronk

strong

[trim heath]

Ik,but i dont know his Tier

[junior igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/never-goon-goon-minion-never-goon-minion-gif-5467301625900076416

[royal radish]

universal at minimum due to killing Davoth iirc

[junior igloo]

i think im gonna save up for the dlc

[trim heath]

Isnt multiversal for killing the icon of sin?

[junior igloo]

i want it so badly

[fringe torrent]

I am funny

[trim heath]

Not in this case bro

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-shaker-thug-shaker-moth-shaker-moth-thug-hunter-gif-16306609709182812638

[lean basalt]

Is anyone else having a problem with the marauders where they keep dashing but won't ever attack? Or is it just the switch being a horrible console

[red oar]

They do that to throw you off

[azure oriole]

F tier

cant even kill a zombie with his fist

[acoustic dew]

question for you guys, are there any cool fan-made maps that you can download and go through in doom eternal, but so that it's not Battlemode Slaughter Tour by Zandy just something else

[austere bronze]

Are you using the old mod injector or the official mod preview?

[acoustic dew]

probably official mod preview

i have DOOM Eternal: PC Mod Preview

[austere bronze]

Yup, that's the official

[young mango]

Okay this is maybe the 2nd or 3rd time I’ve seen you say this and I by no means intend to bust your balls about this but what is the point in going out of your way to tell people to avoid recommending you one specific mod, nothing wrong with it, just peculiar

[austere bronze]

I have straight up forgotten the names of all the custom maps

[young mango]

dude I straight up do not know how to pronounce nilfheim, in vocal conversations I’ve just started referring to it as “that one hard to pronounce level”

[austere bronze]

Loll

I just say something along the lines of nilf-haim

[zenith path]

anyone know what mission in eternal you get the double barrel? it was my favorite gun in 2016 and i wanna use it again

[austere bronze]

Third

[zenith path]

tyvm

[azure oriole]

Even better with the hook in this game very nice

[fringe torrent]

😢

[ashen stream]

Does xp gained from weekly challenges go towards anything?

[rapid wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25908805

[slow sigil]

Battle pass

[polar osprey]

you dont become a constructor if you kill a constructor

there is no such thing as multiversal, its just a jumble of words

[obsidian pewter]

epic games coming soon Fix Doom eternal "Cloud save" 2025 thx bethesda dev
:/ okay
"Doom 2016"

[azure oriole]

No

The Slayer is a superhuman with a unlimited lifespan, who is very proficient with guns and wears a very advanced and useful suit.

He isn't, like, some kind of fucked up mega-god or whatever though. He's Captain America on steroids.

[polar osprey]

yeah, thats kinda it

him killing davoth does not make him beyond davoth, davoth literally corrupted an entire realm and beyond

doom guy had to give davoth a physical form to even make beating him a thing

[fringe torrent]

I'll never recover from being called unfunny, biggest impact to my reputation

[polar osprey]

youre unfunny

[fringe torrent]

😢

[polar osprey]

haha

[azure oriole]

huhu

[jagged knot]

now I’m replaying this game

I see so many videos of people like using all weapons at once

I don’t know how your meant to do that

[slow sigil]

Davoth straight up had his powers stolen

[azure oriole]

This is where the Dwayne Johnson thing comes in.

[slow sigil]

Fucking who

[azure oriole]

The Rock

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[fringe torrent]

DOOM 2005 guy

[slow sigil]

Well ok that's a dumb question
I meant "fucking why" but that flows worse 😭

[fringe torrent]

Literally all I know him for

[azure oriole]

If I were challenged to an arm wrestling contest with Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson, right, and I show up to the contest and shoot him in the head 4 times with a handgun, by powerscaling logic I have proven myself to be physically stronger and superior to The Rock.

[slow sigil]

Definitely

[azure oriole]

But actual common sense dictates, no, I did not beat The Rock in a test of strength. Me killing him doesn't mean I proved myself stronger. It means I knew how to use a gun.

[slow sigil]

Literally multiversal (the rock appears in multiple franchises as himself, proving he has effect on the multiverse)

[fringe torrent]

Slayer killing him also doesn't mean that he has the power to take out an entire universe, as some people claim

[azure oriole]

That's so true.

[fringe torrent]

If you kill an architect you don't automatically have the power to take out his buildings

[slow sigil]

I mean depends how loosely you interpret "take out an entire universe"

[azure oriole]

In the same way, the Slayer beating the Icon of Sin, a walking reality-bending apocalypse, in a fight - that does not mean the Slayer is stronger than that. It means the Slayer knows his way around guns and had a special artifact that let him beat the Icon relatively conveniently.

[slow sigil]

Cause if everyone is demon/humanity level and never fully cooperates/advances he could given enough time and being lucky

[slow sigil]

Comatose sword 😴

[fringe torrent]

Him taking out Davoth by itself doesn't mean he can wipe out an universe though

[azure oriole]

Especially when Davoth is powerless during TAG2.

[fringe torrent]

I meant it when you exclude everything else

[fringe torrent]

Davoth in TAG2 is the equivalent to the IoS in DOOM II, both got done dirty

[azure oriole]

Davoth has lost his powers and has to compensate for this by using an Immoran mech. You could replace him with the fucking Intern and the boss fight would've been functionally the same.

[slow sigil]

WRONG
he made portals 🙃

And maybe some very weak demon replicas. or it was suit holograms who knows

[azure oriole]

This isn't even a criticism of TAG2, this is actually something I like about it. It's just, my point is, Davoth in TAG2 isn't the biggest baddest enemy Doomguy's ever faced. Because he was powerless. TAG2 was Doomguy sweeping up the trash.
The Icon of Sin was far more dangerous from an immediate-aftermath standpoint.

The fight with the Icon remains the climax of the Slayer's story. Facing Davoth is essentially an epilogue.

[fringe torrent]

Would be fun to see the Slayer go against the Maledict or Cyberdemon from DOOM 3

Maledict needs the Artifact to be taken out by a regular human so with Slayer's abilities I can see him taking him on in a battle with a fair enough chance

[azure oriole]

Man I loved the Maledict. What a cool villain.

[fringe torrent]

For the Cyberdemon it'd just be a fun goredown fight though

[fringe torrent]

Inb4 "Actually we do not speak of DOOM 3 because YouTuber told me so!"

[slow sigil]

Still have to get myself educated on doom3, only watched very small gameplay clips 😎

[polar osprey]

wait really?

[azure oriole]

Betruger in general was GOATed as fuck. Great villain. The best one in Doom, actually.

[fringe torrent]

Enough for the average DOOMcorder to make the claim that the game is horrendous and deserves to be banished to Hell

Doesn't even have to apply to DOOM 3, I've seen a lot of people shit on Eternal and then be like "well I watched some gameplay videos online..."

[slow sigil]

Yeah there's a codex entry about how vegafather stole his power and he says it himself in the final battle midpoint cutscene

[azure oriole]

Yes. The Father took Davoth's powers when he turned him into a Life Sphere - those powers were used to fuel the Divinity Machine, and were thus transferred into the Slayer. The Davoth we fight in TAG2 is a shadow of his former self, lacking his powers because they were stolen and given to you. All he has is his innate connection to Hell - it lets him transport himself there and shit.

[visual snow]

Hi

[polar osprey]

never ask a woman her age
a man his salary
doomcorders what they think of doom 3

[azure oriole]

But beyond that, the typical enhanced strength and stamina and shit, that's something Davoth used to have that he no longer has by TAG2.

[slow sigil]

Well a shard of his power was used for the divinity machine

Which leads to.... interesting theories as to what the shard is

[polar osprey]

so he doesnt have the "super fast beyond time speed" or the "beyond universe whateverthefuck" powers

[rancid sky]

Hi too there new?,cause i am

[azure oriole]

A shard of the sphere, anyway. It's not explicitly stated that all his powers were in that shard, but I feel the implication is definitely there considering the timeline's structure and Davoth's dialogue.

[slow sigil]

No but there is no evidence he ever had anything like that

[polar osprey]

i see

[azure oriole]

No, but even when he was at his peak strength Davoth was never like this.

[polar osprey]

i see

[slow sigil]

Hard to be couped if you're fast enough to travel back in time

[azure oriole]

The Slayer isn't either. At his peak Davoth was a very strong superhuman with an infinite lifespan and a penchant for engineering. When you play as the Slayer in 2016-Eternal, you can consider this to be what Davoth was when he had his powers.

[polar osprey]

that also very much describes the slayer tho

[azure oriole]

You gotta understand, the dialogue and shit talking about Davoth like he's a God is relative. The Slayer isn't a God but Elena Richardson calls him one because he seems like it to her.

[polar osprey]

i see

yeah, makes sense

[slow sigil]

Almost as if he has a shard if his power

[fringe torrent]

One thing has always confused me though

[azure oriole]

Davoth didn't wave his arms and create the universe. He built the Maykrs, who built their own land, and built the Father, who built the universe.

[polar osprey]

just like how demigods in god of war are described as gods, but they kinda arent

[azure oriole]

Yes, exactly.

[fringe torrent]

The Slayer is mortal, right? Then why did Khan say that he was "once a mortal"?

[slow sigil]

He's biologically immortal

[azure oriole]

Doomguy is. The Slayer has an infinite lifespan, but is capable of dying.

[polar osprey]

wow, crazy

[azure oriole]

Yes, what Luci said. The Slayer would never die of old age, but he can bleed to death or be crushed.

[polar osprey]

yeah, immortal and unkillable are two different things

[fringe torrent]

That makes sense

[slow sigil]

He doesn't age, likely doesn't need sustance, probably can't get sick

But pull his heart out? That mf gonna die

[azure oriole]

When the Khan says "once a mortal," she is referring to who Doomguy was before he was the Slayer.

[polar osprey]

so when he was just a random marine fighting his way through the mars facility or something?

[slow sigil]

Yup

[azure oriole]

I love the icon of sin

I love the icon of sin!!!

[fringe torrent]

Mars moon facilities, pretty sure the first time we actually get to play on Mars in a DOOM game was 3, but I may be wrong with Final DOOM

[slow sigil]

So the time he spent in hell to become insane is likely <7 years, considering he still ages

[polar osprey]

the longer the icon of sin is on earth the stronger it will become

[azure oriole]

Yes, and by the time he arrived to Sentinel Prime. Remember, Doomguy spent a lot of time in the Sentinel army as a normal human before he became the Slayer.

[slow sigil]

Pre sentinels*

[azure oriole]

He had to gain the reputation and honor needed to become a Night Sentinel before he became the Slayer.

[slow sigil]

I mean how long do you need to brawl in the arena to become a soldier anyhow

[azure oriole]

Yeah people get this confused but what you're saying is more likely. Doomguy likely only spent a few years or less in Hell by the time he ended up on Sentinel Prime.

It was after Argent D'Nur fell that the "eons raging on Hell" thing was happening.

[slow sigil]

Which is also from an unreliable narrator codex entry 😔

[azure oriole]

Doom 3, 2016, and a level in Eternal.

[polar osprey]

yeah, he was put into the divinity machine which made that possible

[azure oriole]

And possibly Doom 64. 64's location is unclear - it's hard to tell if you're canonically going back to the Phobos facilities in 64 or if you're going to the Mars surface.

[azure oriole]

The Divinity Machine thing happened after his time in the Sentinel army as a human.

[polar osprey]

oh, ok

[azure oriole]

• Doomguy ends up on Sentinel Prime.
• Warns the Sentinels of the demons, fights in their ranks.
• Becomes a member of their army.
• Hell invades. Doomguy fights very well.
• Over the next XYZ years, Doomguy rises to become a Night Sentinel.
• Hell unleashes a strategically devastating invasion on Taras Nabad using the Dreadnought.
• During this, Samur turns Doomguy into the Slayer using the Divinity Machine.
• He slays the Dreadnought, becomes a governor-king of Argent D'Nur.
• He fights in the Unholy Wars for XYZ years.
• The Argenta Civil War begins; he fights on the side of the Insurrectionists.
• The Betrayal happens, Argent D'Nur falls, the Slayer is stranded in Hell.
• The 2016 Testaments happen.

[tame topaz]

Welcome!

[rancid sky]

yo thank you

why i feel the doom eternal dlc isnt popular thing on the internet

[polar osprey]

because people thought they were kinda ass

becuase of covid messing up schedules, they did not have time to create peak

[real drift]

I love doom internal great game

[rancid sky]

i even got just a few info about it

[rancid sky]

really so its not relly good dlc?

[real drift]

Good update idea your demon skins appear in the campaign

[rancid sky]

is bad?

[austere bronze]

They aren't as good as the main game
Tag1 is still very good though, it introduces new fun enemies and has pretty good encounter design
Tag2... exists

[fringe torrent]

DLCs are by default not much talked about online

[rancid sky]

i......feel disapoint to heard that

[rancid sky]

cause i just bouight it

[azure oriole]

TAG2 is pretty good. I like it.

Both TAG DLCs are very good.

[slow sigil]

I thought TN was the first demonic invasion?

[azure oriole]

Samuel Hayden says so, but this is a contradiction and doesn't align with the Codex.

[austere bronze]

I too bought tag2, I'd say it's worth it, it's more of the game still + it comes with a challenging master level

[rancid sky]

i havent play it ,i seen some thumbnail on youtube,its doom slayer entry look like avengers end game

[rancid sky]

pyuuh thougt it would be bad

[slow sigil]

2016 codex or eternal's? Cause the 2016 events where partly retconned anyways

[azure oriole]

Eternal's.

[slow sigil]

Yeahhh that was one of the weaker and dumber points

Unless you like hype for the sake of hype then it's "OMG SENTINELS COOOOLLL!!!!"

[azure oriole]

To specify, according to the Codex the first Argenta land Hell invaded was the Argentian Overlands, an "obsidian forest," where they fought the Alorum clans. They slaughtered said clans, then moved forward into the city of Telorum.

This is stated in the main Sentinel history book codex stuff.

[real drift]

Cool

[rancid sky]

thats is what i said frist time seen it

[slow sigil]

Maybe hayden is just racist

[azure oriole]

By that metric, the Unholy Wars with Hell began long before Doomguy became the Slayer, and he fought in that war as a normal human before he went in the Divinity Machine.

This begs the question, what is more reliable? Hayden's dialogue, or the Codex? It's up to you, but IMO the Codex more closely represents the narrative the writers were creating. I think Hayden's dialogue here can be tossed out, especially given the very strong possibility that Eternal was restructured and parts of it hastily rewritten by the end of development.

[azure oriole]

I personally enjoyed that scene with TAG2 and thought the context was different enough to justify it. I get the feeling it just suffered from the poor timing of coming out after Avengers Endgame.

I thought the imagery and the cutscene itself was fine. The problem was very little buildup to the realization Valen was amassing forces to battle Immora, especially since any sane player would have assumed he was now dead after you saw his hologram.

[slow sigil]

"The gate of divum is the only way to immora" 🤓

The 0 buildup practically (no them noticing the beacon by the flame doesn't count) also is just meh...

[azure oriole]

This is an example of one of those issues where there are tiny little holes in the plot that I can easily patch up with a simple idea or two - Immora had a seal on it that the Slayer broke when he entered via the Gate, so that allowed the Sentinels to arrive. That's cool and patches it up, but the story could have said this - it's not something I should have to come up with to justify something the story did not explain.

[slow sigil]

I don't know what term is used for it but it just feels like coolness for coolness sake as if it's a poorly written kid's show

[rancid sky]

yo mono is seems like you know the lore very good tho,can i ask you a private massage,cause i want to talk about something that might be againts the rule here

[azure oriole]

To me this is the issue with TAG's story moreso than any of the actual plot points.

[slow sigil]

Th you want to ask that's against server rules

[azure oriole]

If it's a lore question it probably is not against the rules.

[rancid sky]

umm

its about for the upcoming doom the dark ages bte

[azure oriole]

OK. What about TDA?

[rancid sky]

so the story i think it would be more rich than eternal or doom 2016

so ive seen the treailer and im very excited and couldnt wait for try it,but i kinda suprise by one character for the story, ive seen the girl that might look like important there,and i really hope for that doom doesnt do any political movement like yk

[azure oriole]

Why would a girl mean there's a "political movement" in the game?

Girls make up 50% of the population. It's not exactly new or pushing an agenda to have a girl in a videogame, dude.

[violet zealot]

Yeah, how tf does that make any sense to begin with?

Also, Oliva Pierce was literally in 2016 lmao

I love everyone forgot of 2016’s existence just to harp on useless shit for TDA

[azure oriole]

Olivia Pierce, the Spider Mastermind, the Khan Maykr, and Elena Richardson are all women.

Doom 3 also has Elizabeth McNeil who was a major character in Resurrection of Evil.

[rancid sky]

i hope it would be like that

[violet zealot]

I forgot about them, mb

[azure oriole]

I mean they've done nothing to indicate there would be a "political message."

Besides, Doom has already done political messages.

[violet zealot]

Spider Mama is forgetful

[azure oriole]

There are anti-capitalist streaks running through most of the games, as the UAC is depicted as an evil and uncaring corporation that values profit over human life.

[polar osprey]

also the fucking uac instructor lady???

[azure oriole]

Yeah her too lol.

[violet zealot]

Oh yeah, her

[rancid sky]

so i was concern about,doom franchice is already the game that known for it masculinty and there is no way there is some woke things right

[violet zealot]

honestly she’s fucking annoying in Eternal

[polar osprey]

we need a mod to just shoot her with an ssg to win the game or something

like go away, stop being pessimistic

ur a part of the horde, go do horde stuff or something

[azure oriole]

The word "woke" means nothing. It's a buzzword.

[polar osprey]

THIS

literally this

[azure oriole]

Doom was already "woke" when it started saying corporations are evil back in 1993.

[polar osprey]

its used for fucking everything, completely lost it's meaning

[rancid sky]

im sorry btw for bring this heheh i just want to talk my concren heheheheh

[jagged knot]

what is happening

[polar osprey]

dont listen to the redditors bro, its bad for you

[azure oriole]

Trust me that whoever you're listening to leading you to worry about "wokeness" in games is an idiot and you should ignore them. Political messages have been in games for decades, and the presence of a woman is not inherently political.

If you think a woman being in a game is political, that just tells me you have a very unhealthy view of women to begin with.

[polar osprey]

also no, TDA having sliders does not make it woke, and it isnt exactly for accessibility either, its just for everyone

[jagged knot]

why are we talking about a woman being in a game

[violet zealot]

Them sliders are nice tbh

[rancid sky]

yea im about to rock on the new doom,cant wait for now

[polar osprey]

accessibility means making someone with one arm able to play the game the same as a person with two arms

[azure oriole]

The Dark Ages had women in the trailer and Alka is worried the game might be "woke."

[jagged knot]

what the hell does woke even mean to begin with

[austere bronze]

That's a crazy take, I'd assume many would use them to make the game harder right out of the gate

[violet zealot]

It does also mean having stuff like arachnophobia settings (I’ve actually seen this in a game and was somewhat surprised)

[polar osprey]

people said that surprisingly

[azure oriole]

"Features minorities or women."

[polar osprey]

what the fuck do women have to do with it 💀

welp, there goes 50% of the population

[jagged knot]

okay well whatever

[polar osprey]

basically "woke" doesnt really mean anything anymore, been used to the ground for everything

[jagged knot]

ok

[violet zealot]

It was a COD game I think

Basically made the spider like enemies just float instead of having legs

[jagged knot]

since this is the doom eternal channel what enemy do you hate the most

[violet zealot]

Archvile because how badly they butchered them

[jagged knot]

archville is the summoner right?

[violet zealot]

I genuinely dislike how… underwhelming they made him

[violet zealot]

Yeah

[jagged knot]

I hate him

I hate him so god damn much

[dim tartan]

can anyone help, my game is completely black, only like hud and menu options are visible

[jagged knot]

he made me quit the game for like a year

[violet zealot]

But seriously, he is somehow less threatening than the damn Tyrant

[violet zealot]

And he’s literally a fucking wall

[hasty ingot]

should I upgrade the frag grenades or ice bomb

[azure oriole]

I disagree. I'd rather fight Tyrants than Archviles. The Archviles are fucked up in Eternal. They've killed me a lot.

[austere bronze]

Cursed prowler

[jagged knot]

I agree with this

[violet zealot]

I basically just end both of their lives instantly

[polar osprey]

fuck archviles
all my homies hate archviles

[violet zealot]

I have zero issues with them

[dim tartan]

ice bomb spam lock on. easy

[azure oriole]

the marauder from doom

[austere bronze]

What do you do if you don't have an ice grenade?

[violet zealot]

And this isn’t even a “I prefer Doom 2” moment

[dim tartan]

well. see that's a tricky one

[violet zealot]

The Archvile is genuinely underwhelming

[azure oriole]

grenade

[polar osprey]

true

generally my lock on target if i hear his horrible scream

[austere bronze]

They teleport away from frag grenades

[polar osprey]

not just my lob target, i just kill him dead

[jagged knot]

I wanna learn how to quick switch

[azure oriole]

or with slob they get faltered with the first rocket

[jagged knot]

I only play on console

[austere bronze]

With the first pb even🙂

[polar osprey]

press shoot, press swap weapon, press shoot

[azure oriole]

nuh uh

[polar osprey]

as fast as u can, not all at once

[jagged knot]

alright

for doom 2016 I used the funny energy gun with the super shotgun

[austere bronze]

Start by binding some weapons

[rancid sky]

btw there is so many peapole talking about there is no glory kills and they change it?

[polar osprey]

uhhh the

gauss rifle

[jagged knot]

yeah

[azure oriole]

i ate them

[dim tartan]

i love not being able to play

[polar osprey]

my favorite eternal combo

ssg and ballista

[azure oriole]

canon combo

[austere bronze]

These are my recommendations: heaby cannon, ballista, super shotgun and rocket launcher
Those are the most important guns

[jagged knot]

I never really used the ballista

[dim tartan]

my favorite eternal combo

ssg and meathook

[austere bronze]

It's the best weapon in the game

[jagged knot]

tbh I only used two weapons

[polar osprey]

very good for long range

[jagged knot]

I used the heavy cannon scope and the super shotgun

[polar osprey]

yeah thats a good one

just an unlimited flamebelch

[austere bronze]

I strongly recommend starting to use more

[polar osprey]

yeah

[jagged knot]

yeah I’m gonna try

[polar osprey]

really changes alot and makes the game more fun

[azure oriole]

intended way to play eternal

[jagged knot]

I always found it really hard to

[polar osprey]

makes ammo run out far slower

[azure oriole]

just spam ssg+ballista and you win

and have air control equipped

[polar osprey]

for long range targets, use pb ballista