doom-eternal

[elder cosmos]

FACTS...

[tardy pier]

Gibbing a mancubus makes me feel a little guilty…

[azure oriole]

Explode them mfs with rockets

Saw their “hearts”

[tardy pier]

The little pop 🥺

[nimble jetty]

I’ve finally found the correct controls or my controllor and now I can beat any master lvl prop

[woven peak]

World spear ML is so fun but damn its tiring

Halfway through i need a longg break

[nimble jetty]

There’s a lot of tyrants but I love that

[woven peak]

Compared to SGN not really

Sgn just loved tyrants

Shouldve named it super tyrant nest master level

[nimble jetty]

Wait Im thinkin of the wrong lvl

Im thinkin of the one master lvl in the ancient gods part 2

[woven peak]

Thats world spear

[mighty jasper]

i just beat the UAC slayer gate, took a few tries (I'm only playing on nightmare but i used to play on hurt me plenty lol) and I didnt kill the doom hunter. like. it just disappeared, i was hunting for it scared af that i would fail that late but it just. wasnt there

i have no idea what happened to it

[wraith palm]

You habe retarsion in youm brain

[shell valve]

You habe retarsion in youm biann

[wraith palm]

YE YE YE

YE YE YE

YE YE YE YE YE

[visual steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-monkey-gif-7617358462219751730

[wraith palm]

Those who were astute would pick up on that fact that i did "YE" in such a way where it sounded like jingle bells

[storm eagle]

💀

[azure oriole]

I did

[mighty jasper]

this server hasn't given me a single straight answer. I fw it

[storm eagle]

The answer is that Eternal is janky and buggy and don't ever underestimate the weird shit that happens/doesn't happen 😂

[mighty jasper]

okay, last night I had another one that was actually the first bit of jank that fucked me up

'

[storm eagle]

Every time I play, I just expect nothing to work as intended lol

Crashes, ai glitches, it's the mystery and experience that is playing Eternal

[azure oriole]

Yes

You will have to replay the entire level

[mighty jasper]

welp

atleast I'm not looking for every secret this time

god fucking dammit that was a long ass level

[azure oriole]

SGN isn't that bad the second time around

[mighty jasper]

hold on... do secret encounters re-appear after replay?

[azure oriole]

Yes

If you haven't done them

[mighty jasper]

but i did it

but the objective didnt count it

i got the weapon point, but not the sentinel battery

are you to tell me. my entire save is fucked if i want the battery

[azure oriole]

Did you complete the level?

[mighty jasper]

yes

[azure oriole]

Uhhh

There's an excess amount of batteries, iirc

But if you want that one milestone for all challenges you might be fucked

[mighty jasper]

next playthrough is gonna be super baby mode then, i'm not going through this entire game again because i died at the same time as completing a secret encounter, that's actually very annoying

[azure oriole]

Depends on if the game thinks it counted, a similar thing could happen in 2016 where if you complete a challenge on level 7 the second time around the menu would say you didn't complete it but the game thinks it did. You'd still need to get the runes on a seperate save again

[azure oriole]

How'd you die at the same time as the encounter ended?

[mighty jasper]

rocket launcher

[azure oriole]

Ah

[mighty jasper]

was super low, mancubis was right up on me and i shot the thing with a rocket, died at the same time

[azure oriole]

Hm

[mighty jasper]

was feeling the stress of the timer and also being super low

[azure oriole]

So you blew yourself up?

[mighty jasper]

yes

[azure oriole]

At the cost of breaking your save

[mighty jasper]

brain was just "FUCK FUCK KILL THE BASTARD"

[mighty jasper]

could say I blew up my save

[azure oriole]

You did

[mighty jasper]

Man, 4 year old triple A game is this jank (I still love it though)

[azure oriole]

Honestly that's never happened to me

I've played Eternal quite a bit and I've never had something like that happen

[mighty jasper]

lol it's a pure skill issue, you see- i'm bad at video games

I'm sure an experienced doom eternal player could not relate

[azure oriole]

I'm not super experienced, I've beaten the game once on Nightmare

[mighty jasper]

Oh. that's what I'm doing

I never beat the game (because I played on console and god I hate doom eternal on controller) so now that I have it on my laptop I'm beating it on nightmare, on xbox I somehow got to taris nabad on hurt me plenty, and now I'm on nightmare at the UAC base

[azure oriole]

why do you hate controller?

I find it not too terrible to beat the game on controller

[mighty jasper]

too clunky using thumb sticks for me, I like having a 2d plane with precise movements for adjusting the camera

[azure oriole]

Hm, fair enough

[mighty jasper]

and keyboard is more closely knit, I like having all m'a shit right next to the movement stuff as apposed to being across the controller. can't adjust the camera while using any of the buttons

[azure oriole]

If you use claw grip you can

[mighty jasper]

true, but I don't, so I'd have to adjust my entire playstyle

[azure oriole]

Ah

Think of a controller kinda like a keyboard but vertical and going up

[mighty jasper]

Honestly, I'm just glad to own the game, on xbox I used gp, on ps i used their gamepass thing, and now I have it because of a steam sale

[azure oriole]

Nice

[mighty jasper]

I did NOT look at this servers emotes

[coral ivy]

Cute Lil marauder

[mighty jasper]

[azure oriole]

You should've, they're really good

[mighty jasper]

god thats a shit eating grin

[azure oriole]

[mighty jasper]

aw nah not might doom, I played this shit in class a few years ago

[azure oriole]

What's wrong with Mighty Doom?

[mighty jasper]

oh nothing, I just ignored classes with it

[minor carbon]

where do i find the 2nd buff demon spawner on the gore thing?

[austere bronze]

I can give you one
Doom hunter go up wall, doom hunter die because it not on the ground

[mighty jasper]

Really? They just die when they're bugged?

Cuz that sounds like an antibug

[austere bronze]

Kinda yeah

[mighty jasper]

Sick I didn't wanna waste plasma ammo on that thing anyways

[austere bronze]

If you blood punch the doom hunter once he's almost off his sled

No reason to use plasma ammo on him

[storm eagle]

Doom Eternal but only full-auto and heat-blast 💀

[austere bronze]

No HB without plasma rifle base fire🙃

[storm eagle]

Now you're talking

[austere bronze]

i wasnt before?

[storm eagle]

I meant like figure of speech.

[austere bronze]

and i meant like speech of figure

[echo brook]

[azure oriole]

Where is “urmom_612”

[azure oriole]

Where is the furry pfp

[austere bronze]

Gone

[wary moth]

At both 1080p, 1440p, and 4k?

[burnt obsidian]

hellow!

can i ask some questions for doom eternal game play?

[austere bronze]

yes

[burnt obsidian]

i using my erephone and souds are wierd

like...listning in the water

i serch some internet but i doesn't work...

[wooden lodge]

Yeah so I asked what to do in the taras nabad Toxic part. What about the OTHER toxic part?

[jagged matrix]

I just buy doom eternal

[wooden lodge]

Oh yeah also my audio quality is trashed when I open the game. The same thing happens when I open OBS. Any Ideas why?

[wooden lodge]

Never mind, I'm just an idiot

[storm eagle]

lol give someone else a chance to answer something once😂

[austere bronze]

no

[shell wolf]

Does battle mode still work

[coral ivy]

Yea, tho it's kinda dead

[shell wolf]

Ok

Thanks

[glass trellis]

LET'S FUCKING GO I COMPLETED TARAS NABAD

[wooden lodge]

LETS GO im still trying

[glass trellis]

om itytd

[austere bronze]

Well done!

[wooden lodge]

NO WAIT

[glass trellis]

thx

[wooden lodge]

I DID

[glass trellis]

nice

[wooden lodge]

but nekrovol is also bullshit

[glass trellis]

im at the start because i curently dont have much time

[wooden lodge]

yea

[azure oriole]

GGs bro

[glass trellis]

thx

[wooden lodge]

oh also

wheres the cheat code in nekroval

i only collect the toys and cheat codes

[azure oriole]

why not everything else

[fringe torrent]

Achievements probably

[azure oriole]

ah

[wooden lodge]

i will after ive completed the game

Cause I recently got eternal and I'm doing my first playthrough in ultra-violence, so I think probably doing the 100% run will be the next one in nightmare.

[azure oriole]

ah

[glass trellis]

Yes i complete it within 3 quarter of hour

[fringe torrent]

45 minutes?

[glass trellis]

Yes

[azure oriole]

What difficulty

If it’s UN you finally have the archvile repellent

Aka the cruicible

[lament bluff]

I’m pretty sure you get the crucible in that level regardless of difficulty

[azure oriole]

Yeah

But I call the crucible in Ultra NM “archvile repellent” because your be using it pretty much exclusively for arch viles

[rapid moat]

Gg what difficulty

[balmy rain]

Hello, I have a question: will "DOOMicorn Master Collection Cosmetic Pack" ever come back?

[violet zealot]

it's still here on Steam

[balmy rain]

I mean as an event

[violet zealot]

yeah, no

[balmy rain]

damn

[violet zealot]

all of those skins that you need to pay for will stay that way

[balmy rain]

Other skins come back though, don't they?

[violet zealot]

yeah

just not any of the ones you currently have to pay for

[balmy rain]

Thanks for clarification

[violet zealot]

the rest usually are in the Events, with some exceptions

[balmy rain]

I guess I am waiting for the sales

[violet zealot]

primarily the Slayers Club rewards

[woven peak]

Crucible on archies is so satisfying

But i also like PB rocketing them

[royal arch]

who would win
doomguy or the funny blue robot from ultrakill

[coral ivy]

Og doomguy: V1
Modern Doomguy: Doomguy

[elder musk]

Hi

[shell fox]

Freddy

[azure oriole]

@royal arch I’m waiting for a gameplay edit

[royal arch]

i think you got the wrong dude

[azure oriole]

Nvm i did

[twilit ridge]

give him his gameplay edit

[young mango]

homestuck

[frosty apex]

Hello, could someone help me? I recently finished doom eternal in game pass, but it won't let me start the dlc. Does anyone know what I can do to play the dlc?

[midnight sparrow]

Then the one on Gamepass must not come with the DLC

Yep according to the Gamepass website it’s the standard edition of Eternal

So that’s just the campaign and Battlemode

[young mango]

And horde mode for some reason

[frosty apex]

ok thanks bro

[young mango]

The decisions this company makes doesn’t make very much sense sometimes, they refused to add dlc enemies to campaign master levels but added dlc enemies to horde mode, which can be accessed with any form of doom eternal

[quasi moon]

Guys is it just me or is doom eternal a good game?

[glossy warren]

Its an alright game

[young mango]

No..

[violet zealot]

it's good, but I'd rather play Doom 1

[quasi moon]

Real

The dos version?

[violet zealot]

I play it running under a modern source port now adays

anyways, let's not stray off topic here lol

can't infect every chat with my love of Doom 1

[azure oriole]

It sucks! It sucks so much! I hated all 800 hours I wasted on that game! I wish I played overwatch instead!!!

[young mango]

I hated all 2000 hours I wasted on that game! I wish I had spent it on plinko 2!

[azure oriole]

Fucking PLINKO 2

[woven peak]

No its TERRIBLE!!

Worst game of 2020

[verbal bison]

I need two more battle mode achievements and two more campaign achievements, one of the campaign is secret, does anyone know what the secret achievements are?

[storm eagle]

I just saw this notification lol. Oh, I changed it. Idk why. Kinda miss my old urmom username tho

[azure oriole]

I legit thought it was an offensive joke until i realized you literally meant it lol

[storm eagle]

lol not literally. I ain't a mom

[azure oriole]

Nvm then

Anyway go back to shooting demons

demons

[storm eagle]

[glass trellis]

Itytd

[glass trellis]

Itytd

[worthy grotto]

Any lore reasons why the betrayers armor look a lot like the praetor suit?

[azure oriole]

they're both made by sentinels

[barren marsh]

the crucible is such a life saver

i only use it for just one demon type and thats the archviles

those things are a headache to kill without it while its spawning powerful demons so i just take it out early with the blade and everything else I can do without the crucible

[barren marsh]

im sure theres a good strat to deal with it without the blade

[austere bronze]

Ice grenade+2 lock on bursts

[barren marsh]

but i have a good strategy for about everything else even the maurader

[austere bronze]

Or sinply a SLOB and he dies

[barren marsh]

so like why not just use the blade on it

[austere bronze]

And he falters from the pb so he won't teleport away

[barren marsh]

oh word

I'll probably mess with it a bit but overall I'll probably still just blade it

cuz everything else is no problem for me without the blade so i'd kinda just not be using the blade at all which is no fun

[austere bronze]

Not using the crucible is fun

[barren marsh]

maybe

[austere bronze]

It's just a way to skip actually playing the game

[barren marsh]

but i like whipping out a badass sword and slicing shit

[barren marsh]

pretty subjective if you ask me considering the crucible is a part of the game

but if thats how you feel about it then thats cool

[austere bronze]

Let me paraphrase, it's a way to skip engaging in the combat of the game

Because I wouldn't say pressing 1 button to delete an enemy is anything riveting

[barren marsh]

well the crucible was designed to be a part of the combat of the game

so idk

[barren marsh]

probably not to you and thats fine

but i find it really fun to just slice and dice with it every now and then

the blade is also a very finite resource and is to be used sparingly. im sure if i was able to use it real often i'd get sick of it

but i only use it for just one demon type and only get real limited amount of times i can use it. so i have a lot of fun with it. if you dont thats not my problem lol

[young mango]

I’ve never found the crucible anywhere near useful in a context that doesn’t take routing into account, I am genuinely convinced that for the most part, it exists just to look cool, because this games design is not centered around singling enemies out, that’s why the unmaykr and microwave beam suck, the only reason crucible gets used is because there’s no caveat aside from its overall lack of utility

[barren marsh]

basically

i just think its cool like you said lol

[storm eagle]

Having it be so over-powered made an otherwise special weapon feel really cheapened to me 💔

If that even makes sense. It does in my brain, lol.

[barren marsh]

i mean it does

i just think its badass anyways

[storm eagle]

That's totally fair too

[royal arch]

it exists for loer purposes

[austere bronze]

Why not use sticky bombs

Getting ammo back is pretty much useless since you will be chainsawing just the same amount anyways

Destroying DH's shield is pretty much useless since 1 blood puncv pretty much destroys his sled

The only reason you would use FA is fun

But I even find stickies more fun

The only way you'll find use in FA and mwb is fun

[austere bronze]

The entire plasma rifle is quite useless

Yup

Idk when people use plasma rifle even

Spray stuff? Just combo with something
Stunlock? Just quick switch
Heat blast? Just don't corner yourself

[azure oriole]

why

[austere bronze]

I think the problem is that you're on 5 HP in the first place

Which are these youtubers even?

[calm lynx]

It’s a doom 2016 vs doom eternal type of thing. Different strokes for different folks.

I prefer hyper demon but both are valid games with very different styles. Neither are objectively better or worse

[austere bronze]

This is the only one of these 3 who is actually good at the game

Good movement, good decision making, good DPS output, good equipment usage etc

[calm lynx]

I feel like the exact same arguments for preferring 2016 to eternal are being used for devil daggers.

For example, people saying eternal is visually cluttered, too complex, and simply becomes a game about cooldowns and resource management.

The same thing is being applied to hyper demon, except the cooldowns thing

[austere bronze]

What am i even supposed to say here

[calm lynx]

Yeah. I rarely ever like to say things are good or bad objectively.

Actually yeah that’s reasonable

They’re good for some people and bad for others.

That’s because being positive is good and being negative is, well negative

I absolutely hate Ubisoft games and open worlds but that doesn’t mean I think the far cry series is objectively bad

[austere bronze]

Good movement is clear, you use the meathook, ballista boost, utilize dashes good and keep a good position on the battlefiwld relative to demons and surrounding stuff

Good decision making is self explanatory

Good DPS is self explanatory

Good equipment usage is just using your equipment really often in good situations

Alright, good may be subjective, but I am certainly not impressed by him

[austere bronze]

It maybe doesn't reward you in that sense, but you are most certainly rewarded for beating stuff fast or using SLOB since you die less

[austere bronze]

Demon alive for longer=larger chance of you dying

[long orbit]

Wise words

[austere bronze]

I do not understand what you mean by natural and artifical, but I haven't paid attention that close either

I feel like this conversation is kinda going in a circle arguing about stuff you can never really prove

This seems like a very vague and loose definition, and I think it'd be best to stay away from the terms, but I kinda see what you mean

[long orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/spore-cacodemon-awesome-doom-hearts-gif-17521887

[strange gale]

as opposed to some other form of usefulness?

[slow sigil]

basically guessing design intent (though in some situations it's more succesful then others)

[strange gale]

there's a term for this you might be looking for, emergent gameplay; things that happen as results of not-explicitly-planned-for interactions

[slow sigil]

i have only read half this chat but i just want to chime in that eternal as "intented" is boring af compared to the actual game that exists

[covert basalt]

I envy you, I read all of it

[slow sigil]

imagine if the "intented" highest DSP weapon was just holding 2 buttons with mobile turret 😭

[strange gale]

it was turned into a buzzword by slop essayists

[slow sigil]

regular swapping was intented, the devs never intented for PB swaps to be so powerful (though all it's game designs around it are intentional)

also the quickswap toturial was added post launch (after players did it a lot) and iirc was only added by tag1 for which they accounted for such gameplay, which they did not for designing the game

[distant flame]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-swim-nufo-i-dont-swim-i-dont-know-how-to-swim-xset-gif-26213962

[slow sigil]

the only type of swapping that was "intented" (or rather, predicted) by the devs is shooting normally but just not sticking with a gun ad infinitum like you could in 2016

yes, and for that they added regular swapping

holo swapping like in 2016 was never intented to be the main gameplay loop

why is it not natural

define "artificial"

unless you mean the bboost speeds and 200 fps meathook swings, those are fair

but regular dashing and 60 fps meathook swings are without argument intented, and also "fast dodging"

in the context of the sentence you used

[strange gale]

this is a video game with specific design goals and mechanics in place to achieve said goals. it didn't appear from the aether as a consequence of random, unrelated interactions, so the separation between "artificial" and "natural" is meaningless here

[storm eagle]

the fuq is this convo even about? lol

[slow sigil]

like the reward you get in the form of satisfaction from beating an arena the developers designed, which is crafted by the designers and your incentive is the fact that the developers made the game? such artificial?

[storm eagle]

idk seems to be you every time I look at this chat

[covert basalt]

this started with "I like microwave beam" I don't understand why aren't you discussing that (which should take like five back and forth at most)

[slow sigil]

so you're arguing there is no economy and there is no people with extreme privileges

alr, but i do not really see what the problem is with "the devs made a game" since that is also the entire reason i play it to begin with

if i wanted to play something where the "devs" intented for there to be no way to make you do things, there is only calvinball

[storm eagle]

What up @slow sigil and @covert basalt 👋

[austere bronze]

I like mwb for some modded demons, and sometimes for killing spirits

[slow sigil]

but they do have meaning, they are abstractions because going into hyper detail about every minite detail is absolutely hell for conversations

[covert basalt]

bored as hell and this convo is not helping sadly

[storm eagle]

hi @austere bronze

[storm eagle]

Yeah same 🥱

[austere bronze]

Problem is that outside the samur bossfight, mwb has no real use in normal content

[austere bronze]

Hi, hello

[slow sigil]

imagine when if someone had to talk about "the economy" they actually had to in detail completely about the specific aspects of said economy before they can talk about their actual point, horrible

idk seems like you had a lot of problems with the word, i wasn't in that earlier part of the convo

[storm eagle]

Agreed. The only person I've seen use it it any way regularly is when LB stuns pinkies quick with it before pb +ssg

[covert basalt]

shoot at it

[slow sigil]

when someone says "the economy is down!" i imagine the overall economic situation of either their country or the wider world around them is getting worse, because i have the contextual literacy to know that is what they mean with "the economy" and "down"

when they say "the magic meter is down!" i imagine they are playing a game and their mana meter is lowering

[covert basalt]

I would never

[austere bronze]

It is one of those things, yes

[slow sigil]

valid reaction, MB is mid af

[storm eagle]

This topic has gone on for too gd long 😂 Ofc people are gonna hop on halfway and be annoyed

[austere bronze]

The movement in this game is good enough for you to easily get away from any demon, possessed or not

[slow sigil]

you should also never struggle with a singular demon on it's own

the damage increase from PB means the enemy you are focussing on dies faster, so you can spend more time on the entire arena which troubles you

you know what also falters? pure damage. Simply using pb swaps means a demon dies before MB is really warrented at all, whilst also stunning it

MB is ok if you figure out combos to get heavy/superheavies to 1 hp so you can near instantly destroy them for the AEO falter but that's it

[strange gale]

damn i wanna lab this now

[austere bronze]

I find GKing fodder quite useless

[slow sigil]

"The overall economy" is what exactly?
the overall economic situation, generally simplified, of either their direct region or a country using multiple commonly agreed on economical parameters for how to know if an economy is doing overall "bad" or "good" compared to the situation they are in

And if you ask me to go even more in detail, no i will not explain the superman- task of hyperdetailing the entirety of the economy to you

[austere bronze]

You shouldn't need to perform a GK that often, so doing it with a heavy demon that happens to stagger is usually enough

[slow sigil]

why for fodder? there's a billion regular and faster weapon combos to GK them

why have plasma in hand

why use plasma for pinky and not something else

[austere bronze]

You can usually get behind pinkies relatively easily, but I often just punch cancel rockets/stickies on them

[slow sigil]

like:

• dashing
• bloodpunching
• jumping over
• meathooking around
• shieldbashing
• nade faltering

the switch time of MB is anything but fast

refering to the charge time > after use cooldown > switch

[lilac dirge]

I mod swap, but some weapons just aren’t worth swapping mods

[slow sigil]

it has meaning because it can give a general idea of a situation without going into details about it for people who don't care about the in depths

for the people who do care, they an then look into the more specifics for why

[slow sigil]

generally it's optimal to just pick amod and stick to it, too many mod are just obviously inferior

i mean rem det is just all around terrible

less damage then a regular rocket, falter is mediocre because it's the only non damage soft falter, you have to stick on the gun and can't swap off of it whilst waiting

it's only plus is that for new people you get to hold right mouse whilst PB swapping

there's enough people who care about the minimal most generalistics for just being informed in general

no, it's the bare minimum above 0 to be a difference

because i like the engine
imagine playing an ubi open world you hate just because you like unreal as an engine

[austere bronze]

I bought doom eternal because i heard about it in a top 10 video games video or something

[storm eagle]

Are you even capable of having a normal conversation that doesn't run around in pointless circles? Every time I see you on here you come off like an elitist snob, don't listen to anybody else's opinions properly, and like to try and make people feel stupid for usually some bad take anyway. There are a lot of other intelligent people in here that also can have opinions & techniques that are correct &applicable to the game.

[slow sigil]

who says they're decisions are based on nothing after hearing that the overall economy somewhere is getting worse?

"better" is good
"worse" is bad

[austere bronze]

Getting better at the game has naturally just been aligned with having fun for me, which is good

[covert basalt]

that is so true, we should all stop having an active role on this planet and leave everything to the capable hands of Only_Perception

[slow sigil]

but it is! because however little there is still some information in the sentence

That it's oversimplified to near irrelevancy doesn't matter, near irrelevancy isn't full irrelevancy

[storm eagle]

"Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." This quote just came to mind

Anyway, I wanna know what levels people have been playing lately. I ran through the base campaign last night, just plain 'ol Eternal. No mods or anything, and was surprised at how little I remembered. It was kinda cool.

[austere bronze]

Normal master levels and normal randomized master levels

Didnt play anything yesterday as i just slept the entire day basically

[storm eagle]

Wanna stream for a bit shortly? I'm home from work sick and would like to watch something

[austere bronze]

Sure, I just have to rise and shine first

I spent my entire day walking and running in the forest, which is deadly to a doom player

[storm eagle]

That's a good one! I just played that and the Kaiser Cultist Base last week and had fun

[slow sigil]

once there is quite literally no information to gather from it anymore via even contextual clues

but there factually is information to gain from it, the quality of said information doesn't matter

[storm eagle]

I've been playing it using the downpatcher I installed a month or so ago.

[austere bronze]

This is just philosophy at this point lmao

Mwb -> natural vs artificial -> economics-> 10 things at once -> philosophy

[covert basalt]

trust me this is not philosophy, unless you mean the philosophy that a kid fresh out of highschool would make

[slow sigil]

meat is fundamentally made out of cells so it physically can not be nano particles

[storm eagle]

I would like to offer some people in the chat a nice cold glass of shut the hell up 😂 not sorry

[austere bronze]

Cold🥶

[slow sigil]

and someone does not require 100% consumption to be finished with a meal

[austere bronze]

I trust

[storm eagle]

I even tried to change the conversation 😭💔

[slow sigil]

you can't just make your own parameters to "win" the argument

maybe don't try to set up a false equivelancy lol

[austere bronze]

I have lost all sense of what this is even about anymore

Mars core is probably the best master level

[slow sigil]

even with a blury line, "some" information is still fundamentally some information

[storm eagle]

Just did that one too! I honestly might play it again today. Have you done any of the randomizers before? @austere bronze and I enjoy those too

[storm eagle]

I still think it's funny that Mars Core was the first ML I ever tried. It...did not go well at first. lol

[slow sigil]

only once you make it so there is quite literally nothing to gain from it anymore does it become no information

[slow sigil]

and you can stretch that line hard

[austere bronze]

Lol, that I understand

[austere bronze]

An unbalanced version of the unbalanced randomizer would be dope🗣️

[slow sigil]

for example, the singular word "bad" on the webpage named "economy.gov" would provide enough context to give the general information that somewhere, something about the economy is doing badly, and thus it gives information

[storm eagle]

YO take this wack ass convo to general, or preferably another dimension. Not you, Luci

[barren marsh]

since when did the doom eternal chat turn into some philosophy class

[slow sigil]

you'd have to complete remove any contextual reference to "economy" or "bad" for the information to be factually nulled

[storm eagle]

What's going on with your mod troubles?

[barren marsh]

"if a tree branch falls and nobody hears it did it make a noise" ass conversation

[storm eagle]

LOL

what is happening in here

[slow sigil]

the argument was never about the information being great, just existing

[foggy orbit]

Thank you. I think coconut shrimp are nice, myself.

[slow sigil]

and yes any information ever being given does assume the producer is "correct", that goes for everything information based

[covert basalt]

I especially enjoy your Ultrakill videos

[fringe torrent]

What do you think of coconut water?

[foggy orbit]

Me too.

[foggy orbit]

Acceptable, not preferable.

[fringe torrent]

That's based, dude

[foggy orbit]

Not any time soon. Consumed by huge projects right now.

[slow sigil]

and even extremely horrific information has "meaning"

[austere bronze]

Everyone is allowed to like it

[storm eagle]

Yeah your Steam version may be inevitable in your near future 😬

[foggy orbit]

I want to. It's something that'll eventually happen for sure.

[storm eagle]

Hi Anome!

[slow sigil]

who says i agree about their takes either?

[storm eagle]

That's fair tbh

[slow sigil]

💥

[foggy orbit]

Im trying to think that far back... I can't remember but yeah I think that's right

[fringe torrent]

Hello

[storm eagle]

Wanna do co-op sometime soon?

@austere bronze Rise and shine, it's 5pm😆

[fringe torrent]

Sure, sometime, not gonna be this week or next week though

[glass trellis]

lets go Urdak completed

[fallen lotus]

Does doom eternal have coop mode?

[storm eagle]

Oh Classic Doom. Eternal has a co-op mod, not in the regular game tho

[jovial coral]

I think the full auto is bad

[storm eagle]

Stone imps are so bad

[fallen lotus]

I play in the nintendo switch

[jovial coral]

Yeah, the stone imps in doom 2016 was better, because the melee in doom 2016 melee is better

[storm eagle]

rip

[fallen lotus]

Lol

[jovial coral]

I beat doom the darks ages in brawler mode today in UN

[fallen lotus]

What??!!

[onyx kiln]

im more of a grounded slayer

[fallen lotus]

Not even released yet

[jovial coral]

what you mean doom the darks ages released in 1996

[fallen lotus]

Lmfaoo

[azure oriole]

Guys I have the leaked eighth mainline doom game

[jovial coral]

Doom eternal will release in 2026 can't wait to play it

[fallen lotus]

Wth, bro is living in a parallel universe

[azure oriole]

there was an update with that?

[jovial coral]

I love the Doom 2056 melee, it so good you can destory 3 doom hunter sled with one blood punch

[azure oriole]

To be fair I started playing in July so what do I know

Are you using Precision Bolt?

They made it faster

They changed the timings of it

[fallen lotus]

forget it, because now the guy lives in 2056 lmfao

[jovial coral]

I live in year 2069

[azure oriole]

Hey if you're in the future is there another Quake game or no

[fallen lotus]

Quake 1000

[azure oriole]

Yep
Thank you Tammie for kinda obscure Eternal Knowledge

[jovial coral]

Yeah, they make game like kingdom hearts, it crossover between quake,doom,wolfenstein

[azure oriole]

W ID, finally I can murder a Cyberdemon with a 1960 gun as Ranger

[fallen lotus]

Cool youtube chanel bro

[carmine leaf]

Mines cooler

[jovial coral]

If anyone ask if they add the doom slayer to mortal kombat, no they didn't

[azure oriole]

Okay L ID and whoever makes Mortal Kombat

[glossy warren]

Mines cooler

134 subs 💪😎

[carmine leaf]

L take

[storm eagle]

I'm a Saleem glazer

[jovial coral]

🗣️

[storm eagle]

Which level?

Yeah I get that, I feel the same pretty often but I just keep doing it anyway until I get better lol

[carmine leaf]

The meat hook ruined doom eternal

[storm eagle]

Which randomizer?

[carmine leaf]

I’m going to drop an hour long video essay about it on YouTube

And air control too

[storm eagle]

And no ammo

[carmine leaf]

Yeah chainsaw is op

[strange gale]

true!

[austere bronze]

What, which randomizer on which level is this

[wooden lodge]

Disagreed

Thats the only reason I use the super shotgun, but to each their own, I guess.

[strange gale]

the only reason? damn

[austere bronze]

The base fire is very strong, but main reason I use the ssg is meathook

The base fire has it's uses for sure

[azure oriole]

womp womp

[strange gale]

he's right though

[woven peak]

The main reason i use it is

• Free armor farming on fodder
• Closing gaps with meathook for glory kills (plus it gives armor for most of them with the faster glory kill rune)

Alongside ya know, shotgun stuff

[austere bronze]

the main reason i use it is just staying in the air 90% of the time

ive been incorporating staying in the air with no air control, and it's very fun

ive been playing the game too little without air control recently

[carmine leaf]

I'm more of a grounded slayer, myself!

[glass trellis]

Same

LET'S GO I COMPLETED DOOM ETERNAL

[fringe torrent]

TAG 1 next?

[glass trellis]

Yes...

[vagrant talon]

https://tenor.com/view/nugget-chicken-chicken-nuggets-gif-18203945

[fringe torrent]

You have been visited by unfunny.

you must become Funny

[austere bronze]

... impossible

[glass trellis]

Is UAC Atlantica hard?

[azure oriole]

Hardest thing is how choppy the parkour is

[glass trellis]

Ok

I have problems with parkours

Unmaykr or BFG

[unique quarry]

blood swamps are

[keen ore]

My fav level in doom eternal

[glass trellis]

Ok

[austere bronze]

BFG is better

[glass trellis]

Thx

[unique quarry]

rip and tear

[glass trellis]

Rip and Tear

It's good or bad when completed DOOM Eternal in 20-22 hours on itytd?

[sullen escarp]

How long have you spent on FPS games in general? Congrats on beating it anyway. For me, Hurt Me Plenty was a challenge to get through first time.

[glass trellis]

On fps game i have maybe 28 hours (this is my first and only fps game)

[glass trellis]

Hurt me plenty was hard for me i had stuck at Cultist Base So i start another campaign on itytd

[azure oriole]

Bro just load a checkpoint lol

[azure oriole]

Makes more sense now

[glass trellis]

I was stuck before one Battle And i hadn't skill

I got good checkpoint

[austere bronze]

ah

i have noticed that sometimes you get mostly fodder and sometimes loads of heavies

however i have no expereience with the balanced version, so idk how it is there

[sullen escarp]

Yeah, fair enough. It's a tough game to get through so I wouldn't judge myself if I were you. The game is really good at getting you into FPS and improving your skills in it. I have keybinds for each weapon, which makes it far easier to switch than using the scroll wheel. If you wanna beat harder difficulties, I definitely suggest doing keybinds.

[austere bronze]

your starting skill level is pretty much irrelevant anyways

[quasi moon]

https://tenor.com/view/nugget-chicken-chicken-nuggets-gif-18203945

[uneven vine]

https://tenor.com/view/archvile-doom-doom-eternal-poopy-poop-gif-6194649044683122767

[signal scarab]

what was the new update for?

[young mango]

Wat the hell

I said like one thing however many hours ago and it sparked more pointless slop

[storm eagle]

lol slop indeed, it was so much nonsense

[young mango]

Guys not worth my time anymore, blocked him, he’s just gonna end up getting himself banned by being a nuisance to the server

And because he’s doing it to himself, he’s not a concern of mine

[storm eagle]

Not a bad idea actually

[keen ore]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-gif-23805674

[barren marsh]

i use controller so

[novel token]

you can bind weapons in controller too

[ruby wind]

someone for battlemode? for achievements

[storm eagle]

@jovial coral

He knows the answer/solution probably

He's a modder

A very very good one

He's playing CS2 so give him a little bit

[jovial coral]

What the issue ??

Then you have to modify the entities file then, you have to go to every encounter manager and remove the screechers...etc from the Spawn Single AI eventcall

Look at the unofficial modding wiki there a tutorial how to do that

[storm eagle]

Thanks Salami

[jovial coral]

https://wiki.eternalmods.com/books/5-level-modding/chapter/entities

[novel token]

ultrakill

[odd shale]

Its, me..

[onyx kiln]

look up doom eternal movement speedruns by muted6 crouch is used

you can bind crouch with bind [key] _crouch

also just because most campaign players dont use single dashing while swapping and battle mode level ballista movement doesnt mean it isnt there

who cares if they aircamp, its not a problem with eternals movement, meathook adds a ton of depth

if they wanna get better they will explore all movement tech, remember its single player game, who cares how people play

and theres bhopping, so much movement in this game

[elder musk]

Good night slayers

[odd shale]

Im awake, likre, Doom, sudden.

[austere bronze]

the movement is one of the best things in eternal for sure

[young mango]

agreed

[austere bronze]

yo Tammie, I just thought about something, you showing me that clip of you killing 2 tyrants without touching the ground completely changed my playstyle in Eternal lol

[young mango]

I am glad to hear that

[austere bronze]

It would still be quite useless

Maybe it would have some use from exploding enemies

[strange gale]

just taking the windup out would already be a godsend for how using the mod feels

[young mango]

honestly? i just think fundamentally, combat in eternal is not designed very much around rapid fire weapons, especially on higher playing fields, but outside of that preference, movement speed isn't as big of a deal as you'd think it is, nor is the wind up, but they'd do fine as smaller additions. I think making it work more mechanically to lock on burst would be a good start, as in, after target is locked onto, direction the slayer is facing doesn't matter. and I do not think stunlocking a singular enemy is very good, I do not know the feasibility of adding such a mechanic, but if the stun it provides could emanate a sort of AoE effect around it, and have no effect on the enemy it's on besides damage, i feel like that could work, but honestly, I am not the best one to give ideas to others, I use what exists and come to a conclusion, I don't consider myself versed in much else

[strange gale]

beam tapping could be kinda cool if the mod had no movement penalty and a bringup/bringdown and end lag comparable to pb

there'd still be no reason to do it but at least it'd look kinda cool and stop feeling janky as fuck

[barren marsh]

finished my replay of this game

I am so upset i didnt decide to replay this game sooner. This is my 2nd time beating this game, 1st time was within the week it came out when I had it on xbox and never went back to it

i have never played the dlcs maybe i will but im also broke as hell so we'll see

[cold wave]

Me like eternal not to long ago i got level 20

[barren marsh]

but the experience on the ps5 was supreme. ray tracing mode was a locked 60 frames and looked so pretty with the ray traced lighting. the dualsense was great to use cuz of the adaptive triggers changing their resistance depending on the gun I was using. It was a great experience.

[slow sigil]

Make the first second charge at double the rate for an upgrade so you can easier use it as a finisher

I don't think we should make fully automatic weapons good to use as damage weapons anyways, that goes against eternal's general gameplay idea of swapping

Ye

Literally does not exist

[austere bronze]

The best someone could do is slightly worse or slightly better

[slow sigil]

Dps is a singular slider, you can change things like ROF or burst damage or whatever but full automatic and swapping will always be about DPS

Aslong as automatic weapons are worse, they are not worth it. If they become better, now you have screwed up the entire way the game is meant to be: you are now incentivized to dump your weapon then go to the next.

The solution? Do away with fully automatic weapons (that aren't for fodder) entirely and replace them with bursts and actual interesting effecfs

[cold wave]

What is yall talking about i dont understand any of these paragraphs

[slow sigil]

Remove chaingun,give plasma the shield but it costs plasma to upheld and only protects from the front.

Other mod will be heatburst but the first tier automatically regenerates.

Tweak the base fire a bit so it becomes a bit more consistant at staggering fodder.

[cold wave]

HAMMER DOWN.

https://tenor.com/view/zoodasa-attack-hammer-cute-gif-17199021

[austere bronze]

Very unnecessary to GK for the speed boost, if you just kept moving instead of performing a GK you would've traveled further thsn what you do with the speed boost

Idk if I interpreted the message correctly

[austere bronze]

Sure, but don't just run the entire time since you won't be doing that in combat

Ofc you shouldn't stop, but you should dash, meathook and ballista boost

... yeah ofc

Ballista boosting does not benefit from the GK speed boost

The only thing that does is the normal walking speed, which is why I find the rune quite useless

At least I think

Been a long time since I used it, but I don't really find much benefit in using it

[strange gale]

it does but it's not enough of a difference to bother switching to blood fueled

[austere bronze]

Yeah, it is kinda hard to compare however due to all the factors in combat

Blood fueled can be a nice little boost after a GK, but it certainly isn't worth doing a GK just for it

[strange gale]

imagine if dashing was omnidirectional and redirected all of your existing speed to where you're going 😋

[austere bronze]

I do

Boring

GKs being boring has no influence on me not thinking blood fueled is that worth it

[craggy orbit]

How good is it, when I play freely almost no hud with dot crossair? I mean, I have only blood punch and minimized grenades with chainsaw in the middle enabled

[young mango]

objectively, comparing both for their efficiency, just walking in a straight line, with blood fueled’s timer starting with a glory kill, let’s say the end goal is 100 in game meters, would take normal walking speed 10.5 seconds to cross that gap, and blood fueled ( without glory kill counting towards the time, 6 seconds ), meaning it would take, in a vacuum, with no external factors, a 4.5 second long glory kill to make it by all accounts obsolete, it’s a nice thing to have but you would’ve had to have been already going for the glory kill either way to make it worth your while

and as for glory kills, to elaborate on glask saying it’s not enough of difference to bother when talking about ballista boosting, that’s because you’re just adding the ballista boost speed ontop of it, not any type of multiplication shenanigans, so its diminishing returns

[young mango]

if everything’s at peak speed ( stuff in vacuum ) ballista boost with blood fueled is about a 22% difference, as opposed to the change in base walking speed being more about 43%

[austere bronze]

Well of course, but you wouldn't do a GK purely for the speed bonus

GKs should rarely be needed, but they are necessary to some degree unless you want to limit yourself a lot

[wooden lodge]

I DID IT

DONE

CAMPAIGN IN ULTRA VIOLENCE

[young mango]

congrats

[quiet lantern]

Congrats! Golden skin awaits

[austere bronze]

Nice, well done

[austere bronze]

... or just make the demons able to deal with players high in the air instead of removing a big part of the game

[crimson carbon]

can anyone help with online achievements?

[calm lynx]

Making the meathook pull demons towards you would be an interesting solution.

Someone should make a Cybergrind map in DE

Or, more ambitiously, recreate/port the whole Ultrakill campaign

[strange gale]

speaking of the whiplash, i really like hard damage as a balancing factor

[calm lynx]

Doom should take some inspiration from UK. Hard damage is cool asf, uk’s enemies are really unique, parrying adds a whole new level to combat (and doom TDA will have it)

Honestly before hard damage I never liked the score meter because it served pretty much no purpose

[strange gale]

could honestly just steal and reskin hard damage and sand-covered enemies

how about this: any enemy you hit with the meathook can no longer drop health or armor

could go as far as disabling ammo drops too

[calm lynx]

Hard damage - Bleeding damage
Sanded enemies - Molten enemies

Off the top of my head

[strange gale]

this would fuck over the current mastery, but i believe the ability to switch between the two pulling modes would suffice as a replacement

true

also true

though restacking is pretty strong even if you can't get 30 armor on demand

[calm lynx]

Make it it pull smaller enemies towards you, add hard damage, and add some demons that specialize in eliminating air campers ( like a tentacle that pulls you to the ground ), and modify existing enemies to be more accurate/aggressive

That is true. I’m making a gdd for my Doom game concept and in it verticality has been significantly lowered from DE

Basically a hybrid between classic doom circle-strafing, cover combat and Eternal’s resource management, guns, and demon behavior

No

I’ll check it out. Been looking for good old school shooters lately

Sounds exactly like my kind of game

[azure oriole]

Wouldn't Hurt Me Plenty be Normal?

Ah, that makes more sense

[calm lynx]

I wish they’d bring back faster and respawning demons

[azure oriole]

Faster sure, maybe not respawning

[calm lynx]

It’s be cool if Doom took some inspiration from System Shocks difficulty system, with different difficulty options for different parts of the game.

[azure oriole]

Nightmare was literally added as a difficulty for people that claimed the base game was too hard.

[calm lynx]

And in my doom concept doc, there’s different modifiers (Think halo skulls) for difficulties. Respawning demons. All possessed demons. All demons can fly. etc

[azure oriole]

Calling it "awful" or "too hard" is literally what their intention was, I mean, the game said "this isn't even remotely fair".

Hard+

I like it I'm just bad at the game

Why not just take the input lag?

[calm lynx]

That’s reasonable, but I think that in a modern doom game, respawning monsters could be done well.

[azure oriole]

You could seperately activate each modifier, like the respawning, fast, and double ammo

[calm lynx]

Also this too.

That’s what I meant when referring to difficulty modifiers like halo skulls

[azure oriole]

What's the hardest one? Iirc it was Extra Crispy, right?

[calm lynx]

Speaking of co-op, Doom needs to have splitscreen co-op support for the campaign

[azure oriole]

Time to die

[calm lynx]

It will probably never happen but it’d be so sick

[azure oriole]

Thank you jimbo for now giving me another masochistic task

I'm detecting people trashing Blood, and I'm not liking it.

[azure oriole]

No I love Blood, I really want to play it

[calm lynx]

Doom should have campaign co-op, traditional multiplayer, and a level editor/mod support. That’s the bare minimum for Doom games and somehow none of them past the classic games met that standard

[onyx kiln]

kill yourself

[azure oriole]

I am a console scrub though and I have no idea if Blood is on console

[calm lynx]

I want to download idStudio and just make the most unreasonably difficult level of all time. Think of it like this:

-Fight 3 possessed marauders in purple goo
-There’s an archvile in a cage you have to kill the marauders to open
-Horde of cacao demons, stone imps, and armored barons

It’s be a pretty fun project to get used to how the editor works before making something actually decent or fun

[azure oriole]

While classic doom is good, it has limitations, you do realize?

[young mango]

remove the purple goo and this is playable

[austere bronze]

You lost me at the purple goo

The marauders are a big turn off too

[azure oriole]

I am 100% not saying all three have limits, but DOOM definitely has a lot more. The lack of jumping and 3D for the most part

This is determined by difficulty. Hitscanners aren't this bad unless you're on Well Done or Extra Crispy.

Blood's gameplay was great. One of the greats on Build, and probably the best Build game IMO.

It was pretty good.

I'd rather play Blood than Quake and I'd rather play Doom than either.

Quake was amazing for its time but it has not aged nearly as well as Doom, Blood, Duke Nukem 3D, etc... it has a lot of balancing issues IMO that keep it from being as fun as Doom.

It's also, uh, pretty fucking boring visually. Unlike those other games.

The problem with Quake is enemies take forever to kill because they made most of them have twice the health they should because they couldn't have too many on screen.

The SSG feels like a normal shotgun and the shotgun feels like a pistol. Not good.

[quasi moon]

Bruh

Fr

Says the guy who pulled the “it’s all in your head” card

Fr

Bro who tf asked

HE IS TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC PART OF THE VISUALS AND HOW THEY SRE SIMILAR

Real

[azure oriole]

Doom Slayer ravaging demons in Tokyo sounds fun

Would make a pretty setting too

[visual steeple]

what you guys yapping about

[azure oriole]

Only_Perception is on about something again

Can you beat Doom Eternal without* dashing?

*not including platforming

[quasi moon]

Brooooooo

[austere bronze]

Yes

[quasi moon]

It’s been done

Except for the S part

I don’t remember

[austere bronze]

Don't even know what that is lol

[strange gale]

no dash without platforming isn't really a meaningful challenge though

yeah it's possible with platformimg if you get a bunch of lurch hop setups right but at that point the run is moot anyway

[azure oriole]

Then how are you going to beat the game without dashing, where it is required in some areas?

Those areas being platforming?

[austere bronze]

There are movement tech options

[quasi moon]

I CANR LINK WIKIPEDIA?

[austere bronze]

Ballista boosting, bhopping, punch boosting and wall dashing for example

[young mango]

Wall dashing… without dashes

[azure oriole]

You can bhop in Eternal?

[quasi moon]

@kindred pulsar the name of the game is Doctor Who: Destiny of the Doctors

[austere bronze]

Oh lmao, I forgot about that tiny part

[austere bronze]

Yea

It's how you preserve your momentum

[strange gale]

i wouldn't call it tight, you just jump a little after landing

[azure oriole]

This shit makes you look like a pretentious nerd FYI.

Just letting you know.

[austere bronze]

Eh, it's not that tight

[strange gale]

it's actually more lenient than any source game cause your tickrate is as high as your framerate

[austere bronze]

You can pull it off consistently relatively easily

[young mango]

I did

[azure oriole]

I don't care who asked, I'm letting you know anyway.

[fringe torrent]

Why is there a new argument between the same group of people about DE every two days

It's very interesting

[sullen fractal]

[fringe torrent]

That's based, Jim

[azure oriole]

Agreed

[onyx kiln]

command bind jump to scroll wheel

ez bhop

[austere bronze]

You don't really need that tbh

[austere bronze]

But it makes it very easy ofc

[sullen fractal]

why does the cacodemon have arms now

[azure oriole]

DOOM 64 things

[fringe torrent]

Can't speak of the guy because I didn't read enough of any of the chats to know who is in the right

But I have never seen anyone agree with them, like, ever lol

[strange gale]

i'm aware, which is why i brought up the tickrate thing

even at 60fps it's not that tight, you just gotta cancel the landing lurch before friction kills your speed gain

[azure oriole]

All I know is I looked in the chat like 10 minutes ago for the first time in a few weeks and saw some guy acting like he grew up in /v/. People like that always make themselves look silly the way they talk.

[fringe torrent]

Sounds like quite the character

[strange gale]

true, it's not auto-timed (inb4 "but speedrun macro")

[azure oriole]

People like that are a dime a dozen, especially in servers for games like Doom.

[fringe torrent]

Yeah this server is full of 'interesting' people

[azure oriole]

It has some... peculiar ones

Social skills such as "don't act like a condescending dork over entirely innocuous discussions." That's the kind of thing that makes people socially repulsed.

[young mango]

no, but I wouldn’t be opposed to checking it out

[azure oriole]

Arcane Dimensions sounds familiar

[fringe torrent]

It's that Quake mod right?

[azure oriole]

I feel like i've heard of it

Oh yeah, I am insulting you. At least I'm honest about it.

[young mango]

there’s layers to these shenanigans

[fringe torrent]

Quakespasm is best anyway imo

[azure oriole]

I didn't accuse you of insulting people. That was someone else. I accused you of being really weird.

[fringe torrent]

Source ports are something I am not knowledged in, if you've interacted with me before you may know why

[azure oriole]

That does look really cool

[strange gale]

is the melee combat any good? if it's a mostly-direct port of eternal then i'll assume it's not

so that's a no. gotcha

[leaden light]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-slayer-gaming-toys-gif-16770751

[azure oriole]

What do you mean changing it?

[strange gale]

i'd love to add some quake stuff to de but i fear idstudio doesn't go that deep. namely strafejumping, real airstrafing (fuck ac), and slash's slide mechanic

having the option is nice but it makes air movement identical to ground movement as far friction goes, which i don't love

[storm eagle]

#eternal-modding

[visual steeple]

Doom eternal is the best doom game.

[unreal flare]

I'll be real man I disagree

it's great don't get me wrong but I got a feeling like 2016 is the best

[dry ravine]

ya like right?

[austere bronze]

Why do you think that?

[unreal flare]

I find it much more grounded in terms of gameplay, and while I like that Doom Eternal allows you to do batshit crazy stuff I feel like 2016 is closer to Classic Doom

and imo it works in its favor

[austere bronze]

2016 is a lot more grounded and slower for sure, so I can understand why you prefer 2016 if that's what you're into

[storm eagle]

It's definitely grounded in it's gameplay lol

[visual steeple]

Classic doom would wish to be doom eternal honestly

[storm eagle]

#eternal-modding friend 🙂

[unreal flare]

What do you mean?

[storm eagle]

Um no?

[keen ore]

Erm absolutely not

[strange gale]

aircamping in a game with no jumping⁉️

[storm eagle]

I get really sick of people shitting on Classic Doom. It was a groundbreaking game for it's time and of course it isn't Eternal. It still holds up 30 years later, and is one of the best games of all time. They are both amazing in their own right for very different reasons.

I personally love them both pretty much equally and don't even compare them

[keen ore]

If classic doom was released today it would be praised as a groundbreaking indie game lol, I find the gameplay very replayable and have for 10+ years

Still has some of the best level design ever in gaming

[storm eagle]

I'm gonna replay Eternal ML's today though wish me luck

[visual steeple]

In terms of the tone it is going for high octane demon killing.

[keen ore]

Well they did that in Doom 2…. It’s just classic doom with a higher demon count

[unreal flare]

Classic Doom has you killing demons en masse rather than having to juggle between less demons in Doom Eternal

they really aren't the same

[fringe torrent]

The "of course it isn't Eternal" part is a good thing

[calm lynx]

I prefer old doom’s more low-tech visual style, and it’s simple emergent game design; Doom Eternal is a genius masterpiece, but its problem is the combat is tightly locked. Everything about the combat is completely intended and designed a certain way, instead of gameplay features occurring naturally

[fringe torrent]

I like Eternal but if every game in the series was a motion sickness sim, I would not like DOOM as much as I do

Part of why I am such a huge id fan is that basically every game in their franchises is different enough from one another to warrant a brand new experience

[keen ore]

My favorite part of classic doom is that there isn’t any specific strategies in mind for killing different kinds of demons, you just blast them with anything you have ammo for. If you run out you’re encouraged to search the map for more resources which is fun to me.

[storm eagle]

Totally, I go to different Doom games for different things

[azure oriole]

Completely fair

[fringe torrent]

Sometimes the huge differences change the games tonally i.e. RAGE 1 v 2 or 2016 v Eternal, but I still see uniqueness as a good thing

[calm lynx]

Here’s an example of what I mean:
Take two enemies. One is hardcoded to take more damage from a certain weapon, and the other has AI behavior designed to encourage usage of that weapon. One is doom eternal, the other is classic doom.

[azure oriole]

I still want an ID horror shooter, like a Quake and DOOM 3 child

[calm lynx]

Same

[fringe torrent]

Quake 4

[calm lynx]

I just want a Doom game that balances the aesthetics, atmosphere, and horror of Doom III, and the smart gameplay design of Doom eternal and OG doom

And by smart gameplay design I don’t just mean flying around combining and meathooking like a maniac, I mean the ideas behind it: Pushing forward, resource management, etc.

[azure oriole]

I hate to say this but I kinda forgot about Quake 4

[fringe torrent]

Fair, it's not on modern consoles

[visual steeple]

Sounds like doom 3 to me

[fringe torrent]

How is DOOM 3 a motion sickness sim

More than Eternal anyway

[visual steeple]

Mb sounds like you like doom 3

[azure oriole]

What's wrong with Doom 3?

[fringe torrent]

I love DOOM 3 but what does that have to do with anything of what I said lol

[visual steeple]

Nothing wrong with it just a slower paced doom game.

Emphasizes the aspect of horror rather than the action

[fringe torrent]

No, I want you to explain to me what you mean by this, because I genuinely do not understand lol, I'm a bit tired

[visual steeple]

I meant like the only game I would say isn’t a motion sickness sim is doom 3.

[azure oriole]

How are the other ones motion sickness sims...?

[visual steeple]

The other games are pretty fast action aren’t they.

Compared to doom 3

[fringe torrent]

Whether they are or aren't is a bit of an unnecessary discussion because I just called it that as a stand-in for Eternal

[azure oriole]

NuDoom maybe

[visual steeple]

?

[azure oriole]

Uhh sorry like 2016 on

[fringe torrent]

NuDOOM is the name for post-2016 DOOM

[visual steeple]

You mean the classics including doom 3?

Or the call of duty doom 2016

[azure oriole]

The games after DOOM 2016, including 2016

[visual steeple]

Oh new doom

[azure oriole]

Yes.

[visual steeple]

Go into depth into ai behaviour please.

[visual steeple]

The aesthetic of doom 3 never felt like doom.

Felt more like a tech demo for the new id tech

Cool lighting and stuff

[calm lynx]

Let’s take pinkies in Classic doom. Because they have high pain chance, this makes chainsaws and chainguns the best option for them due to its high dps. But, they weren’t specifically programmed to take more damage from it.

[storm eagle]

Never played 3 actually

[fringe torrent]

Missing out

[azure oriole]

Play it

[fringe torrent]

Which id-series games have you played?

[storm eagle]

I have it downloaded and haven't gotten to it yet

[calm lynx]

Yeah that’s reasonable. I should’ve clarified I like the aesthetics of Doom 1-64 the most, but doom 3 has the best atmosphere and tension

[fringe torrent]

So stuff from the following series/franchises:
Wolfenstein, DOOM, Heretic/Hexen, Quake, RAGE

[azure oriole]

DOOM 3 is a really cool experience, along with it having two other expansions that add on to the game

[storm eagle]

All except Doom 3 and RAGE

[fringe torrent]

^ Seperate games, not series

[calm lynx]

I’ve played every doom game (except I haven’t beaten 64 or any of the obscure RPGs). I’ve beaten Quake 1, and played some Quake 3. That’s about it for me.

[fringe torrent]

I had an entire ass checklist for id games but it is outdated as shit. Need to get around to updating it

[visual steeple]

I have a feeling you would love dark ages

[calm lynx]

I will. although, I wish they kept the medieval aesthetic to Quake, and made a quake reboot instead

[fringe torrent]

Or HeXen

[azure oriole]

Every DOOM game (Mighty DOOM included, but none of the RPGS or other obscure games), I remember playing Wolf3D at some point (I don't know if any other games would count as "ID games"), started Quake I and II, started RAGE 2 but haven't really played a lot of it

[fringe torrent]

Oh yeah I meant id-series not games, so pretty much any game from a series that id has had a hand in

[fringe torrent]

ANY game from these

[azure oriole]

Okay so include The New Order for Wolfenstein and that's kinda the only other one i can remember

[fringe torrent]

Play Wolf2 when you can

[azure oriole]

Like, The New Colossus?

[azure oriole]

I'm kinda stupid I apologize

[calm lynx]

I want a Quake reboot that just bridges the gap between Souls-like and FPS. A massive, interconnected map with hyper-difficult bosses, progression, and a mix between rusty industrial metal and gothic castles.

[fringe torrent]

I keep forgetting how confusing the acronym Wolf2 is, I still use it though lol

Wolf2 is Wolfenstein 2009

[visual steeple]

What enemies are hard coded in doom eternal for more damage besides the cacodemon and pin elemental with the ballista.

[azure oriole]

Ohhh 2009

[visual steeple]

That’s honestly all I can think of

[azure oriole]

I will 100% play the rest of the Wolfenstein, Quake, and Heretic/Hexen games

[fringe torrent]

Pretty sure 2009 was the last thing Raven popped out before being melted into CoD

[azure oriole]

I remember it using ID Tech 4

[fringe torrent]

Correct

[calm lynx]

Stone imp, spirit too

That’s only one issue with Eternal’s design though, and it’s not major

I love Eternal but I also love criticizing it and seeing how it could be improved in future games

[azure oriole]

So like shooter gameplay but hard like Souls-likes?

[visual steeple]

Yeah that’s unforgivable for the stone imps it’s depressing

[calm lynx]

Yes, with the same worldbuilding/atmosphere and level design too

[visual steeple]

I hate tag 2’s demons it conflicts with the game’s design

[azure oriole]

I would 100% play that

[fringe torrent]

Love-hate relationship?

[calm lynx]

Another issue with Eternal’s design is that I think the combat encounters are waaay too distinct from exploration, Fights and exploration don’t go hand in hand anymore, they don’t supplement each other. instead, it’s just set piece deathmatch arenas filled with demons and bland platforming segments in between

[calm lynx]

Pretty much. I love playing it, I love the core game design ideas, but I hate the story and level design and visuals and certain gameplay quirks it has

Doom 2016 is the opposite: It gets everything right, but it’s gameplay isn’t as raw fun as DE is, it’s not as replayable

[fringe torrent]

It's still very much replayable to me simply because it kicks ass as a game and I love it

I appreciate when a game shoves in shit to draw me to playing it again, but with time I just replay it even if I've already seen everything it has

[calm lynx]

It is replayable, but given the two games it feels easier for me to just start up a master level in DE and start getting into the fun zone

[azure oriole]

I like Eternal for having very fast gameplay, my mind runs fas so I like having it have a similar speed

[calm lynx]

2016 also got the visuals almost perfect. My only complaint is that Hell doesn’t look hellish enough, the demons look too alien/chitinous and the holograms and sci-fi stuff is just a little too overdesigned.

Doom eternal just looks like a straight up Saturday morning cartoon, which Hugo Martin even said was an inspiration for it.

The way I see it, Hugo is a great gameplay man but he needs to be kept away from story and visuals cause he just goes buck wild

[azure oriole]

I like some of Eternal's areas, the visuals are stunning

[calm lynx]

I do too, with the HUD off and ignoring all the pick-ups and weird arcade stuff

[azure oriole]

Like going through Exultia and Urdak and seeing how wild it was, all the colors... it was pretty crazy to see the first time around

[calm lynx]

Doom eternal gets massive set-pieces right. but it doesn’t get the little things right.

The HUD is an unreadable eyesore of bright colors and shitty font

Instead of immersively getting items from the environment (e.g ripping your gun outta the arms of a dead soldier) they are floating spjnny green pickups

Secrets were replaced with glowing green question marks

All secrets are hidden behind a dumb glowy green crack thing

[storm eagle]

Exultia as a level is meh, but it is beautiful to look at

[calm lynx]

And don’t get me started on the spinny fire poles and platforms, ugh

I think that platforming in Doom is great and paces the game well as long as it actually works within the game environment (like Argent tower). But having giant fire poles and spinny platforms and floating meathook points is just dumb as hell

[azure oriole]

cough Horde Mode cough

[storm eagle]

I don't disagree with most of your opinions tbh

I replayed Nekravol and the fire poles made me 😑

[azure oriole]

Then again it's a minigame but still

[calm lynx]

Mars core or Argent Tower is an example of good platforming. Exultia or World spear is an example of shitty platforming

I will give DE credit for one thing though. It gets Hell so right. I love Nekrovol with its compacted corpses, chains, torture machines and soul harvesters, titans, fire and brimstone

Doom 2016 Hell felt bland

[storm eagle]

Argent Tower platforming gave me anxiety, but I'm afraid of heights lol

[fringe torrent]

Now bring back the DOOM 3 Hell boat

[azure oriole]

You rode a boat into Hell?

[visual steeple]

Would you want doom eternal to have backtracking?

[fringe torrent]

In The Lost Mission

[visual steeple]

Backtracking would easily encourage exploration.

[azure oriole]

I wanna see Dark Ages Slayer doing something like this, it'd be awesome

[visual steeple]

I hate argent tower’s platforming

[azure oriole]

I like 2016's platforming... sometimes

[visual steeple]

Legit die when you touch the ledge or miss it and you got to load the level again.

That is horrible.

[azure oriole]

Like it's fine for the most part but sometimes it's kinda eh

[calm lynx]

Levels should be complex and interconnected. I like backtracking, as long as it’s done well— No hour long segments looking for a key with no demons

[storm eagle]

yep the checkpoint in that was infuriating

[calm lynx]

Doom should have vehicles like mechs and tanks and motorcycles imo

[storm eagle]

He's a space marine lol

[calm lynx]

Which we are getting in the form of mechs n dragons

[visual steeple]

Are you Hugo Martin?

[calm lynx]

I’m his long lost twice removed half cousin

[visual steeple]

Tanks and motorcycles?

Mechs kinda make sense.

[fringe torrent]

^ never played RAGE 2

[calm lynx]

And maybe jets or Helis

Like Halo

[visual steeple]

Motorcycle doesn’t sound doom to me feels more dmc

[azure oriole]

😡 2

[fringe torrent]

So true

[calm lynx]

Maybe if it has chainsaw mounted to the front

And you can shoot while riding

[fringe torrent]

I love to shoot with my chainsaw

[azure oriole]

Chainsaw spear

[austere bronze]

The only demons that take a significant amount of extra damage are cacos and pain elementals from the ballista
(Stone imps too and spirits ig, but all tag1/2 demons are either mediocre or straight up bad)

[slow sigil]

Instead of immersively
doom eternal is a game, not an immersive experience

[visual steeple]

I don’t even count tag 1/2 demons as demons from doom they are depressingly bad

[austere bronze]

Absolute facts

[calm lynx]

2016 is a game too, but it didn’t feel the need to make itself look like an arcade/cartoon

[slow sigil]

yeah instead it just looked entirely generic

[calm lynx]

Something can be unique and not look goofy as hell

[visual steeple]

Classic doom has been arcade and cartoony.

[slow sigil]

eternal's arcade influences aren't "fortnite" level cartoonishly and instead are rather unique and quite fitting for a game that isn't pretending it's a "cinematic experience" like so many other AAA games

[slow sigil]

which 2016 was not lol

[calm lynx]

I have to disagree, honestly. Pickups weren’t floating green and spinny, lighting was dark and atmospheric at times, there were no floating question marks or fire poles

People at the time even said it was super immersive

It seems arcade cause it’s old

[visual steeple]

What are you referencing with pickups?

[calm lynx]

Weapon pickups

[austere bronze]

You can easily make Eternal "dark and atmospheric" in the settings if you want

[calm lynx]

Doesn’t get rid of the goofy pickups or platforming visuals. all it does is remove the hud and change the colors

[slow sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145581368126996560/1250487987972608101/80222-127.png?ex=66ff6ff1&is=66fe1e71&hm=25843551b4e2cc4c773f7e0208b5c5a428ddc1e890613595b1a152188264214d&

[azure oriole]

That was honestly a really interesting exit

[calm lynx]

In the 90s, looking at this on a CRT, playing the game it was very immersive for the time. of course it looks retro now

[slow sigil]

it's bright red with a dark blue floor

[calm lynx]

Most features I mentioned impact DEs visuals aren’t present in old doom

[visual steeple]

Idk why y’all make platforming a huge deal. After a huge intense arena it would be exhausting to go straight into another arena. Platforming makes the pacing perfect.

[calm lynx]

A game can be colorful and immersive. I’m not saying make it black and red everywhere

[calm lynx]

Platforming is good, it’s just not executed properly in eternal because the fire poles and floating platforms look dumb as hell

[storm eagle]

Hell's Abyss🔥

[slow sigil]

now it's not even about platforming, it's about being "immersed" in eternal lol

[calm lynx]

2016 platforming looks better

[austere bronze]

Absolutely, I find it hilarious how most people who say the platforming sucks are the same people who say they need a break during combat with GKs

[strange gale]

i could just pause the game instead

[slow sigil]

doom eternal is a game first and foremost, imo it would only detract from eternal if they had to make it a generic AAA game

[fringe torrent]

I don't really get the argument of "pause the game" personally

Sure it's an option but if you make a game the exact same thing all the way through it'll get boring, platforming in-between or just really ANYTHING between non-stop fighting does well

[austere bronze]

That level was honestly too dark for me at times lol

[storm eagle]

It is insanely dark

[slow sigil]

part of game design is properly pacing the game for players that don't pause after an arena

platforming sections are fine, i just wished they'd be actualy integrated with the movement you do during combat

[austere bronze]

I use the tritanopia color blindness filter to change the colors of the game to how I want it to look

And then I lower the gamma a bit from what's recommended

[visual steeple]

Yeah, I would love more climbable walls in arenas.

[austere bronze]

I would love more meathook platforming, tag2 introduced it which is good but it was all incredibly simplistic (except for in the world spear ML)

[visual steeple]

If you need to pause the game because you got exhausted from the combat. That is the epitome of terrible pacing.

A game should never make you have to press the pause button because you are exhausted.

The controller/kb+m should always be in the hands of the player.

[barren marsh]

i disagree

i didnt enjoy 2016's as much, although eternal's still has its problems

i think both have solid enough platforming to serve their purpose

[visual steeple]

I just really prefer making a single mistake falling and dying suddenly having to redo my ultra nightmare run y’know. /s

[barren marsh]

i never found that too fun myself

[visual steeple]

Same

[strange gale]

yeah i'd prefer that over being forced to stop doing the thing i bought the game for

thankfully modded levels exist 🙏

[calm lynx]

I should clarify. Eternal’s platforming is more fun imo, but I just think 2016’s looks better.

Platforming is a good thing for Doom because it breaks up the pace well.

Exploration in Doom, to me, should strike a balance between key-hunting, platforming, and puzzles. That, combined with complex non-linear layouts (e.g Foundry, or Super Gore Nest), and enemy encounters that complement level design instead of being closed off arenas, is what makes a good Doom level.

[visual steeple]

You bought a doom game not expecting platforming?

[fringe torrent]

Glask means buying it for combat

[visual steeple]

I mean I do admit doom is about the combat but it always had platforming elements.

I still don’t understand why people blow platforming so out of proportion. It’s such a small part of the game.

It also has the benefit of improving your movement in arenas too; encouraging jumping and dashing as some may forget these mechanics if it is not consistently encouraged.

When you have such an amazing movement system why wouldn’t you want to encourage the utilization of said movement options via platforming.

[glass trellis]

I have keybinds defauntly So i used to it

[calm lynx]

Real. people complain about it but like.. It’s not hard. It’s forgiving because you can’t die from platforming fails. Most platform sections only last a minute at most

[visual steeple]

@strange gale if you can explain to me why platforming is bad without some stupid ideas like pausing the game and buying the doom and not expecting platforming.

[calm lynx]

Would you rather just.. walk down an empty hallway?

[strange gale]

i'd prefer little to no breaks between fights

or, if platforming is a must, for it to be at least a tiny bit difficult

[calm lynx]

The game would eventually become stale if all it was was killing demons 24/7

[strange gale]

the stuff that's in the game is baby's first platformer tier gameplay

[calm lynx]

Yeh that’s true. it’s boring in eternal

[strange gale]

i like celeste cause that game isn't dry as fuck with its platforming

[calm lynx]

Better than walking through corridors though, imo

[visual steeple]

What is the good game design principle of that?

[visual steeple]

Sure but no one wants to be stuck on platforming and not playing doom.

[strange gale]

i agree

which is why i'd rather play a game without it

[visual steeple]

Yeah I’m talking to a brick wall

[wooden lodge]

Yeah honestly that was kinda my least favorite part about eternal. My goal is to struggle with the combat not the platforming.

[strange gale]

you just said platforming isn't doom, reread what you typed

[calm lynx]

The main problem in Eternal is that combat and exploration/traversal is separate. Combat and exploration should COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER.

If encounters weren’t closed off in arenas, and instead were designed around the level, it would be more engaging

[wooden lodge]

that is a fair point

[strange gale]

personally, i'd prefer to struggle with platforming

[azure oriole]

For real

[strange gale]

the milquetoast approach the devs took with that part of the game leads to it feeling roughly equivalent to walking down a corridor

i can fr just turn on a podcast and waltz my way through that shit while paying more attention to the barrage of hawk tuah jokes i'm listening to than the game

[calm lynx]

Levels need to start making the player think more. Nu-Doom levels are so linear and just.. direct. that there is no thought

Levels should have keyhunts, nonlinear paths, shortcuts, optional encounters etc

People like to say Doom is a combat puzzle but it’s not just that. The levels themselves should be puzzles