doom-eternal

[violet zealot]

I swear the Turret does not get damaged 90% of the time

[azure oriole]

They also both have great levels, music, and other cool enemy additions. Blood Maykrs, Armored Barons, and Riot Soldiers are cool.
I like them. Both DLCs meet the standards the base campaign set, IMO.

Doom Eternal is the best three of the three

[fringe torrent]

Two stickies or a PB and keep using the base fire of the heavy cannon

[austere bronze]

The old AI for the turret sucks, but now they aren't too bad

[violet zealot]

I don't really like Blood Maykrs due to my own lack of skill on a controller

now that I'm on PC I could probably easily kill BMs

though I don't have the DLCs on PC so I don't know

[fringe torrent]

What did you think of TDL? I see a lot of hate towards the boss but I really like it

[violet zealot]

thinking about buying Deluxe Edition (despite the fact I already own the base game) just for the skin and DLCs

[wooden aspen]

the demon skins should be usable in singleplayer

[azure oriole]

Man Meat hook feels weird

[lethal fjord]

Hot dog mancubus in campaign hell yea

[fringe torrent]

I bought every cosmetic pack when they were on sale, it was expensive but I like the skins included. Though the best DLC to get outside of the TAGs is obviously the Rip and Tear Pack

[azure oriole]

Like I can grapple sometimes

[violet zealot]

yeah

[fringe torrent]

Outside of those, whichever one has the Classic Revenant is my favorite

Though the Lux SSG is very smexy

[violet zealot]

should I, though?

[wooden aspen]

Because I thought at first that the skins would change the singleplayer demons only to find out it's multiplayer only. Tbh doesn't make any sense to me and it would in fact, raise sales more

[azure oriole]

The gameplay for the Davoth boss is not perfect but I think the presentation, music, and general atmosphere is the best of any Doom boss. That aspect of him is incredible.

The gameplay issues are apparent but I still prefer Davoth over the Seraphim boss which I really dislike. I like to use an aggressive AI mod for the boss that fixes most of my issues with him.

[fringe torrent]

I'd vouch for this if the 2016 Revenant was a skin

[violet zealot]

I spent over an hour trying to beat the Seraphim originally

[austere bronze]

How so?

[fringe torrent]

Probably because there's a space in it

[azure oriole]

Inconsistency ig

[austere bronze]

Trueee

[azure oriole]

I just need to be less bad

[violet zealot]

I still got my ass beat on Davoth but not as hard with the Seraphim

[fringe torrent]

Davoth crashed on me after beating him on NM, M1 probably remembers how distraught I was

But then I did it first try so that was a yay fanfare moment

[azure oriole]

I don't like the Samur boss because you barely even fight him. The meat of the boss is spent fighting Possessed demons and Cacodemons. It's fucking stupid. Why would Samur be summoning demons??
We're fighting the motherfucking right hand of the creator of reality as we know it. The fact that most of the boss is just dealing with bullet sponge normal demons is just disappointing.

[fringe torrent]

What do you think of the Icon boss? I love it

[tacit loom]

I just got the DLC again, and some proper gear for the occasion

The DOOMicorn skin

[azure oriole]

It's good. I like it. Not perfect. I prefer 2016's final boss, but it's still a good one.

[violet zealot]

It's ok

[fringe torrent]

My favorite boss from Eternal might just about be the Doom Hunter

[burnt moss]

I feel mostly the same about IOS

[violet zealot]

for me it's Gladiator due to it's soundtrack

[fringe torrent]

Dang, wish I could relate

[tacit loom]

I always saw the Icon as a cool boss back then but honestly I think it's held back by being such a rigorous arena with this giant titan you have to constantly hit with your guns in between

[fringe torrent]

#general message

[wooden aspen]

I honestly expected the davoth boss something to be more to the gladiator boss, but you have to dodge an onslaught of projectiles while dealing damage in return, making it a constant dance of damaging and dodging

[violet zealot]

oh wait yeah I forgot about this

still love the track, though

[wooden aspen]

not sure how well I explained what I had in mind

[fringe torrent]

I love it but I really don't listen to it for too long before it doesn't get very nice

[burnt moss]

Gladiator and Doom Hunter tracks are so good I ripped them from YouTube and put them on my iPhone

The second they release the soundtrack I’m paying for it

[fringe torrent]

Oh they won't, don't worry

[burnt moss]

I know 😦

[tacit loom]

Gladiator is hard as balls but a really badass fight

[violet zealot]

Gladiator's just kinda annoying more than anything

[fringe torrent]

Good to farm XP though

[burnt moss]

I feel like summoning is a boring mechanic

Because literally the whole game these demons are summoning themselves anyway

[violet zealot]

yeah, honestly I wish the Archvile did what it did in Doom 2

but also made the revived enemies buffed like he does in Eternal

[wooden aspen]

Archvile on their way to hide themselves in the farthest corner of the map that I didn't even know existed while fighting 3 Marauders because I just can't find them

[violet zealot]

I usually can sense when an Archvile is lingering for some reason

I just go in and bully the Archvile if I feel like there is one

[wooden aspen]

I struggle with finding the archvile tbh

[austere bronze]

You just said where to find him...

[wooden aspen]

outside the universe?

[fringe torrent]

M1 is radiating with intelligence

[violet zealot]

everyone asks "where's Archvile"

but nobody asks "where the fuck is the Buff Totem?!"

[austere bronze]

On the outskirts of the map

[azure oriole]

cause we can find those and they're oneshots

[fringe torrent]

Buff Totems that are locked behind orange walls confuse me so often, I just stay right next to them so I see when they pop

[azure oriole]

but I see your pount

[fringe torrent]

Just freeze the Arch-vile, same scenario

[austere bronze]

Absolutely can't tell if this is sarcastic or not
But you usually insult me so I'm guessing it is

[wooden aspen]

everyone asks where the buff totem is

but no one asks HOW the buff totem is

[azure oriole]

What about the Archvile?

[austere bronze]

No one asks why the buff totem is😢

[fringe torrent]

It is both sarcastic and not sarcastic

[violet zealot]

I don't care how it feels like I just want it dead

[austere bronze]

I'll take it lmao

[wooden aspen]

fuck the archvile

[fringe torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/drax-spiderman-avengers-infinity-war-star-lord-gif-12365095

[violet zealot]

I hate the one in Nekroval (or whatever it's called)

[austere bronze]

Yessirr

[azure oriole]

What did homie do to you? ;-;

[violet zealot]

y'know, the one on that ledge you can't get to easily?

[fringe torrent]

I haven't watched Infinity War in forever

[austere bronze]

Archvile my goat

[azure oriole]

Amazing

[ruby dove]

Same thing I thought lol

[violet zealot]

I hate it so much

[wooden aspen]

it blew up my house

[fringe torrent]

[insert gas tank]

[austere bronze]

I didn't really like endgame iirc

[azure oriole]

Why was your house in its line of sight

[violet zealot]

it ruined my pistol start run on a map in Doom 2

and bullied me in Eternal

[wooden aspen]

why are talking about marvel movies?

[azure oriole]

idk

[violet zealot]

you can edit messages after you sent them

[wooden aspen]

if Doomslayer was in the Avengers

[fringe torrent]

I'm trying to find collectibles in RAGE 2, so I'll have itsy bitsy slower responses

[azure oriole]

Doomslayer is I just want to learn about Archvile hate ig

[violet zealot]

I forgot about that game

[fringe torrent]

Peak

[ruby dove]

I have a friend who rages so much in that game

[fringe torrent]

That's like saying grass is green

[wooden aspen]

this means the game accomplished it's goal

it's in the name, isn't it?

[azure oriole]

there's blue grass

[violet zealot]

I'd say Doom 1/2 Doom Guy is cooler just because he isn't souped up Captian America yet

anyways, what's y'alls favorite level?

[fringe torrent]

It's not a rage game

[wooden aspen]

it's joke about the game being called rage

[violet zealot]

SGN is my personal favorite

[fringe torrent]

For underrated it's definitely going to be Master Levels for DOOM II imo

I liked it, a lot, but I can say that about basically every single piece of media to ever exist, I barely hate anything

[azure oriole]

Master Levels were good

[fringe torrent]

Nothing I dislike enough to call it overrated

[violet zealot]

this is gonna get me killed but Doom Eternal to an extent

[azure oriole]

Overrated? Uh... I don't know.

[azure oriole]

how so?

[austere bronze]

Eternal has a few people who rides its meat a bit too much, and a also a bit too much people who hate it for stupid reasons

[violet zealot]

it's one of my favorite Doom games but at the same time it gets too much hype most of the time

[fringe torrent]

I agree to some extent, it's an absolutely blissful game I just don't like how much of the community refuses to acknowledge any other game other than it

[azure oriole]

I try not to hype Eternal up too much

[violet zealot]

I just say "oh it's a good game with a good soundtrack"

I will however overhype Classic Doom sometimes..

[azure oriole]

Good game good soundtrack but can and probably will kick your ass

[fringe torrent]

Eternal, 64 and 3 are the only DOOMs on console that have no infinite content

[austere bronze]

He can

[azure oriole]

Guilty of 2016 overhype

[violet zealot]

it's either a one-sided fight with Kratos winning or a barely equal fight

[fringe torrent]

2016 is a genuine masterpiece in my eyes

It's up there with Wolfenstein TNO, FNaF 2023 and TASM 1

[wooden aspen]

Doom 2016?
What happened to the other 2015 dooms?

[fringe torrent]

But can he beat RoE guy? Nope

[violet zealot]

what happened to the other 63 Dooms before Doom 64?!

[azure oriole]

gone. reduced to atoms.

[fringe torrent]

A funny thought I had a while back is Nintendo basically anti-futureproofing the Super Mario games by making Super Mario 64

[violet zealot]

my math is incredibly wrong, it's actually 59 games

[fringe torrent]

Sure there's not a Super Mario 1 even, but they basically forced themselves an exit on 64

[violet zealot]

as Doom 1, 2, Final Doom, and Ultimate Doom all came out before it

[fringe torrent]

Oh come on man

If you wanna count Ultimate as a seperate game at least count the MLs in too

[violet zealot]

forgot about them, 58

[fringe torrent]

Good.

[wooden aspen]

Imagine if id actually made over 2000 doom games

[ruby dove]

I'd play them all

[azure oriole]

Time to grind battlemode again

[strange gale]

nudoom in general is overrated, it's just old (although very well executed) game design with new graphics, like it's just not revolutionary

[violet zealot]

fair

[fringe torrent]

I only play id/Valve IP FPS games, so they're pretty big changes to ME

[wooden aspen]

id and valve should collaborate

[fringe torrent]

Well you kinda have Half-Life if that counts

[wooden aspen]

I mean... yeah that's true but imagine if they made a game together

actually, imagine a game engine made by the two

[fringe torrent]

...you kinda have GoldSrc for that

[wooden aspen]

those are indirect collaborations

[violet zealot]

well, Eternal has a bit newer game design than 2016 does as 2016's a reboot

but your point still stands tall

[fringe torrent]

Indirect, but they are (I also said kinda for a reason)

[violet zealot]

don't ask us lol

[wooden aspen]

you are the doomslayer, why don't you figure it out?

💀

[fringe torrent]

What does that even mean?

You'd be shocked to learn the existence of the edit button

[violet zealot]

Doom Slayer is souped up Captian America

I haven't watched a minute of any anime and I know for a fact Doom Slayer would get his ass kicked after a while

[wooden aspen]

isn't this channel for discussion specifically about doom eternal?

[violet zealot]

yeah, just noticed how off-topic it's getting

moving to gen-chat

[fringe torrent]

Gentlemen, let's go to #general

[sour temple]

yes. something to that effect.

[burnt moss]

I like the part when he says it’s dooming time and then dooms all over the place

[wooden aspen]

my game crashed when I was at the last bit of super gore nest on nightmare...

fuck you vega

,master level I should add

[rough valve]

Help people, it won't let me read the mods in the installed folder, when I change tabs and come back, they are put back in the non-installed folder, even if I start the game with the option to play with mods, they are not saved

Yes, I have several mods that I put on the first day of release of the mod system that I can use, but it won't let me put them in the uninstalled folder, the same thing happens that when changing tabs or entering the game, they they put the installed

[burnt moss]

The lack of checkpoints on master levels is a crime

[wooden aspen]

the actual crime is that you can't continue the master level after the game has been closed down for one reason or another

[burnt moss]

SGN ML kept crashing my Nintendo switch on NM so I got an Xbox lol

[young mango]

checkpoints in UN master levels quite literally do nothing, because if you die you have to restart, and if your game crashes, that checkpoint doesn’t retain your progress like a campaign would

[burnt moss]

That’s what I mean. Checkpoints are the means of continuing the game after closing it

[wooden aspen]

mine is on PC and it's quite a beefy pc too

and yet at the last bit, it decided I'm gonna struggle now and crash... like... why?

[burnt moss]

Screw UN. We’re talking NM

[wooden aspen]

there wasn't even a lot going on

[burnt moss]

It wasn’t during the last fight in the big area?

[young mango]

I know, but I am saying that the checkpoint functionality goes from not very useful to useless in that scenario

[wooden aspen]

it was

It was at that moment where a lot of enemies were about to spawn in. I shot a BFG so that it would do damage over time (It was my first time playing SGN NM) and that's where it struggled. Not on any other point where a lot was going on but in my opinion one of the more calmer moments...

unless shooting a bfg into the air and the tendrils it produces are the cause for the crash, for which I say... where tf is the problem?

[burnt moss]

It’s extremely useful except for UN

[graceful trail]

tips for un

[young mango]

BFG crashing was definitely a huge issue up until 6.2, but current patch it shouldn’t be a problem. although they got rid of the root causes I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more obscure and less reproducible criteria that can be met to still achieve that

[graceful trail]

im currently on cultist base

[burnt moss]

But are you taking into account the extra entities in master levels?

[young mango]

that wouldn’t change much

[burnt moss]

I thought that’s why SGN and TN MLs cause lag though

[young mango]

probably, but the BFGs tendrils are cpu dependent

[burnt moss]

What do you mean?

[wooden aspen]

I'm just wondering what prevents the devs from adding a checkpoint you can return to if you exit/close the mission?

[burnt moss]

They’re busy on other things now

We are lucky the game even happened, especially the extra content

[young mango]

cpu dependent was poor wording but it heavily relies on it, I am probably good to assume the lag from that many enemies is just a high poly count or something, meaning it’s not straining more of the same thing, and the game crashing from sheer overload is highly unlikely anyways, although there are a lot of hard limits like unhandled exceptions

[wooden aspen]

I meant way earlier when there were cases of BFG causing crashes... I would've definitely added a fail-safe of sorts so progress is not lost

[young mango]

I’m not saying that it’s a huge deal btw, if you managed to get a BFG crash current patch you either encountered some extremely obscure and not very reproducible version of it or something went wrong on your side

[burnt moss]

I figured tendrils would add entities for the game to manage

[burnt moss]

No that fight always at least lags heavily even on my Xbox. It’s more to do with the fight than the BFG imo

[burnt moss]

They were done caring at that point imo. Plus they had to work around covid

[flint warren]

I have to ask

what are your rune loadouts?

[young mango]

air control, savagery, blood fueled

[flint warren]

(I am to lazy to bother to check. What do the second and third do?)

[graceful trail]

is it worth doing the secrect encounters on UN?

[flint warren]

huh? There are?

[young mango]

savagery- faster glory kills
blood fueled- increased movement speed after glory kill/chainsaw/crucible ( goes from about 9.6 to like 16-17ish m/s )

[flint warren]

oh

[graceful trail]

the gore nests

[flint warren]

No idea what you're talking about🥲

[flint warren]

I thought faster glory kills are pointless in non speedruns?

[burnt moss]

I like equipment fiend as well. I have that instead of blood fueled

[burnt moss]

Glory kills allow enemies to move closer during the animation I think. Faster glory kills give you more breathing room

[flint warren]

the one that shortens cooldowns?

[burnt moss]

Yes I depend heavily on equipment.

[flint warren]

Ooh that is an issue I have faced before. Now I think I'll include it in mine

[flint warren]

Just that I don't get by how much the cooldown is shortened

per kill

[burnt moss]

Yeah it sucks to go “I’m fine because iframes” and then “aaaaaaah let me out”

[young mango]

I dont like doing glory kills because they’re often unnecessary, savagery is there because I want to get that process done as quickly as possible, which most likely initiates on accident

[flint warren]

literally

[burnt moss]

I have never looked at that but I can feel the difference

[flint warren]

Oh you think so? But blood punch is very important, no?

[wooden aspen]

don't enemies drop health when doing a glory kill on them?

[burnt moss]

Not much I don’t think

But yes they do

[wooden aspen]

well, not when you're on Full HP

[young mango]

the whole blood punch from health and armor covers that

[wooden aspen]

but if you're low, they drop a lot more generally

[burnt moss]

Only if you keep at full health and armor

[flint warren]

Huh. I think I'm not on that level yet lmao

[burnt moss]

Do you know if it’s a gradient or if it just drops more if you’re on low health?

[wooden aspen]

I don't.
But it depends on enemy size and if you are on low health, enemies drop health regardless, so it's just added on top

[burnt moss]

Last night it took me like 10 tries to beat Holt slayer gate on UV. I am not capable of getting bloodpunch from health or armor

[wooden aspen]

as in, low heatlh drops health from enemies that die plus glory kill health

[burnt moss]

Oh ok. So every enemy drops health if you’re on low health but not normally?

[wooden aspen]

When you normally kill them, no. If you glory kill them, yes.

[burnt moss]

Then what do you mean by demons that die, plus glory kill health

Guys I have an idea for a mod

[wooden aspen]

Full Health:
Normal Kill: No Health
Glory Kill: Health

Low Health
Normal Kill: Health
+
Glory Kill: Health

aka it adds up

on low health, enemies drop health regardless of how they died (I think) which is why they drop more health in general

if done a glory kill

[burnt moss]

So that’s what I was saying. When you’re on low health, all enemies drop health due to normal deaths

[wooden aspen]

yeah

[burnt moss]

What if the blue ball turned you into pacman

I live for the flaming meathook

[fringe torrent]

Wolfenstein 3D flashbacks

[burnt moss]

Are wolfenstein and ultrakill worth playing if I like eternal

[graceful trail]

are slayer gates worth the risk in UN

[fringe torrent]

Wolfenstein is completely different, haven't played Ultrakill though

[wooden aspen]

do you think the unmaykr is worth it and will you use it often?

[graceful trail]

no but im not sure if ill need the weapon points

[young mango]

Not really

[violet zealot]

Ultrakill for sure, not sure about Wolfenstein

[azure oriole]

Wolfenstein is good

[burnt moss]

Different how. What genre is it?

[fringe torrent]

It's an FPS game

But it's not a fast-paced motion sickness simulator like Eternal

[burnt moss]

Maybe the pacing is why I didn’t love halo reach. Or the resource management

Eternal has spoiled me

[wooden aspen]

is it odd to say that the first person animations in doom 2016 is way better than in Doom Eternal?

[burnt moss]

Do you mean cutscenes or what animations

[wooden aspen]

Generally
Glory Kills, Cutscenes.

[burnt moss]

Haven’t played 2016 in forever idk

[wooden aspen]

in Doom 2016, it felt like it was actually you who was doing this, while in Eternal, you feel way more floaty. I mean yeah it also has cinematic third person shots but even the first person ones don't feel like you're in first person

[wooden aspen]

could watch a couple of glory kill montages n such to see what I mean

[burnt moss]

Gladiator-like dude has intense entrance

[wooden aspen]

though what I can definitely say is that the glory kills in eternal do feel like have way more impact than 2016, where it kinda looks like they're sliding off

[burnt moss]

Haven’t even gotten to the regular glory kills but these boss cutscenes are scary

No I think Eternal has better glory kills.

[wooden aspen]

Fun Fact: Doom 2016 has environment Glory kills too

tho that's not really a secret.

[gloomy vapor]

just re-installed Doom Eternal and my game save seems to be gone
the Steam store page says it supports steam cloud, was that added later or is it malfunctioning?
PS: I'm on the pc-mod-preview branch; maybe this one doesn't support unmodded saves?

[fringe torrent]

Yeah, it doesn't

[wooden aspen]

from what I could tell immediately, the modded and unmodded branch likely have a seperate save-files

[gloomy vapor]

I noticed two differently named folders, but the one that seems to hold the unmodded saves doesn't have any either

odd, reverting to the default change brings the save back
it does still not show in the saves folder, however

I figured out the folders but the non-beta save is encrypted and the beta one is unencrypted
trying to use either on the other marks the save as corrupted and the game removes it
will try a few more things but will likely revert to the default branch

[flint warren]

what if you are running ultra nightmare though

[young mango]

same deal

[flint warren]

uuuh

you need like 4 crystals

that you can get for 2 levels tbf

[young mango]

Oh you mean like the whole campaign

[flint warren]

yea

do people not run UN like that?

[young mango]

well I still dont glory kill that much in that case but I guess not having blood punch for the majority of the campaign isn’t that big of a dent in my Arsenal

[uneven quarry]

Hi! Gee, thought I was playing DOOM not DESTINY.

[young mango]

?

[uneven quarry]

Just sick of the platforming. It's ok in moderation, but this is a bit too much.

Plus the double jump is pretty weak.

[young mango]

the platforming complaint with doom eternal is so overdone

[young mango]

people act like this is doom eternal in specific as if argent tower didn’t exist in 2016, yeah man absolutely no platforming there

[wooden aspen]

Have you even played COD?

[uneven quarry]

I think it was pumped up after Destiny came out in 2019. Eternal came out the next year. Again it's not bad just too much. Spent too much time platforming over and over again. I'm not the greatest at these kind of games I def admit, but damn.

[violet zealot]

yeah, the platforming can get kinda annoying at times

I'm fine with it as it can make me look badass but ehh

it can get just hairpulling to deal with in some scenarios

[uneven quarry]

I actually did pull my hair!!lol!!

[violet zealot]

this makes 0 sense

2016 feels more like COD than Eternal does and it still barely feels like it

[young mango]

doom eternal is a bad game but a good doom game

[wooden aspen]

Yes

Feels nothing like COD

[uneven quarry]

Yes. Great games. I'm just not good at the fast pace so I did turn down the speed and that helped getting used to it as I turned it up gradualy.

[wooden aspen]

and I have played cod previously

not the newest titles though, only black ops 2 and 3. But even then

[violet zealot]

only good for it's campaign

anyways

should I go for 100%ing levels for a second time?

did it once when I played on Playstation

[wooden aspen]

if you think it's fun

[violet zealot]

it's cool to see everything in the mancave but holy hell is it annoying to do

[austere bronze]

You need to break up the combat somehow

And 10 second platforming in between is a pretty decent way to do that IMO

Especially since you learn stuff from it too

[uneven quarry]

The left hand Glory kill challenges kicked my but.

It's funny because I'm left handed!lol

[young mango]

like it’s a wild complaint to have that’s completely unfounded, the thought process of “oh these two games released close to each other that must mean what they have in common is from inspiration” is odd, also the fact that neither destiny nor destiny 2 released in 2019 so it’s an even more unfounded and bizarre claim, like I don’t know why eternals platforming screws with people like it does, like you have more movement mechanics at your disposal, and you don’t get instakilled if you fall down a pit, idk

[violet zealot]

the instant kill stuff in 2016 was really annoying

was playing the game on console so each death took genuine time

[austere bronze]

Air control+dash should make it almost impossible to fail platforming multiple times lol

[serene stone]

I never got why people hated that so much.

Pretty much every platformer ever kills you one hit if you fall off of a cliff, including Super Mario and Classic DOOM.

[vast cypress]

When did classic doom instakill when you fall off a ledge? They usually have an elevator or a way out of the spot you fell into

[uneven quarry]

Not making a claim. Just my opinon. Destiny was released in September 9, 2014.....Destiny 2 was released in September 6, 2017...Eternal was released March 20, 2020. It is possable because of the popurlarity of both Destiny games that the idea of adding more platforming was the insperation.

[uneven quarry]

Love that "Air" control!

[young mango]

yeah but that’s baseless

[uneven quarry]

How?

[young mango]

because you have no proof

you’re just making things up

[austere bronze]

Huh?

[wooden aspen]

There are way more plausible reasons why eternal had more platforming than just " Destiny 1 and 2" being the reason

where is this destiny thing even coming from?

[young mango]

Guys zelda breath of the wild came out in 2017, 3 years before doom eternal, I think that inspired them to put a sword in the game because link has a sword and that’s why doom slayer has a cucible

[uneven quarry]

So, those dates are made up?

[wooden aspen]

I think M1 is more confused why you put Air in quotes

[austere bronze]

Yeah

[young mango]

line of logic that I am perceiving over here

[uneven quarry]

oh, soory, just the air control doesn't change much.

[wooden aspen]

air control changed a lot for me

[young mango]

then you don’t move enough I guess

[austere bronze]

What 💀

[wooden aspen]

you could definitely feel the difference between "going in a straight incontrollable line" to "can go from one direction in another within seconds"

[austere bronze]

As someone who has spend significant amount of time woth and without, it definitely changes a lot

[austere bronze]

Air control makes your air movement be like how it is on the ground

[uneven quarry]

Just not seeing it.

[wooden aspen]

yeah basically

[austere bronze]

Then you're not moving enough or something

[wooden aspen]

maybe try with and without air control in an empty room

just jump and try moving around mid-air

[austere bronze]

Yes

[austere bronze]

Not just basically

Air control makes you able to redirect your movement in air instantly

[uneven quarry]

What do you mean basically?

[wooden aspen]

didn't have a proper response ready

[vast cypress]

I've never seen those before, but I also haven't played the entirety of doom 1 and 2, I've played like 50% of both

[violet zealot]

still isn't instakill

[violet zealot]

there's few in both games

[fringe torrent]

If you haven't even beaten them why are you talking about something you'd only know if you've played them?

[uneven quarry]

I just did the first part of mission 12 and getting to the rings, even after getting the air movment control, was just the same as it was before.

[violet zealot]

and instakill's definition is literally "instant"

[austere bronze]

Then you're doing something very, very weird lmao
Probably not actually trying to redirect your movement while in the air

[violet zealot]

nukage floors do not classify as instakill

they classify as inescapable traps

[vast cypress]

I've played a decent amount and was questioning it because I didn't see inescapable pits in the parts I have played

[violet zealot]

at least in this sense

[uneven quarry]

If you mean moving left and right and up and down in the air then ya, got it.

[young mango]

Urdak and air control are like peanut butter and jelly you’re way incorrect

[uneven quarry]

Nope.

[violet zealot]

Tammie isn't wrong

[wooden aspen]

are you SURE you equipped air control?

just stand still, jump and try moving MID AIR

if you do not see a difference with and without air control, then idk what to tell you

[violet zealot]

ain't spewing nonsense either, they know the game better than any of us

[austere bronze]

I have probably spent at least 10x of your playtime without air control and like 30× of it with

Tammie has over 2000 hours in the game

You pick who's wrong

[young mango]

at this point this is either willful ignorance and the inability to backdown out of pride, or just trolling

[wooden aspen]

maybe they had air control the entire time and then forgot they had it equipped

whose this for?

[tacit loom]

I wonder what the general consensus on what the hardest boss in DOOM Eternal is

My guess is the Gladiator given how aggressive it is in phase 2

[vast cypress]

Base game or including dlc?

[austere bronze]

With DLCs, samur
Without? Idk

[azure oriole]

Probably Samur for actually experienced players, and Davoth for new players

[civic citrus]

Samur

[wooden aspen]

even as a relatively new player, Samur was harder than Davoth

Davoth was more frustrating to figure out though because I thought it'd be a "shoot at it until it dies" type of gameplay

[azure oriole]

What happens when a lot of people first fight Davoth is they don't really understand the best way to kill him, and they get hit by him or shoot him resulting in him regenerating health, and then they get stuck on the fight for a long time, making it the hardest boss in the game for them. As soon as you get good enough to actually understand tho, you realize that davoth is easy as shit and that samur is way harder

[tacit loom]

Yeah Samur is pretty good at damaging the hell out of you, and also avoiding shots like rockets

git gud

(aka use SSG and Ballista)

[violet zealot]

that's the easy way of doing it

[austere bronze]

Pb+ssg is better

And cringey was just trolling

[young mango]

git average

[violet zealot]

to be fair I don't do anything else so I can't talk

[violet zealot]

damage or speed wise?

[candid ocean]

ok but

[austere bronze]

Pb+ssg 2 cycles him instead of 3 cycling

[violet zealot]

oh

assuming you hit the maurader 3 times one cycle or?

[tacit loom]

I wonder if Full Auto works well on him

[wooden aspen]

I'm gonna go out on a whime tho and say, without Tag 1 and 2 DLCs, the Doom Hunter boss-fights are actually harder, because you don't have ALL the weapons yet, at least for me

[vast cypress]

Ssg and ballista is so easy to switch between and do so much damage it's hard to not just use that

[austere bronze]

You hit him with 2 pb shots and 2 ssg shots

[candid ocean]

am i the only one that uses bfg on maurader if i dont feel like hatting a conniption

[wooden aspen]

btw I only have 144 hours in this game, so I'm not really someone whose a good player by any means

[violet zealot]

ah, so twice per cycle

[austere bronze]

It does absolutely not

[uneven quarry]

Just my opinion, buy ok!

[azure oriole]

This is fair enough. Its the only boss that took a UN run from me so I can understand.

[young mango]

it’s not an opinion if it can be proven wrong by literal math

[azure oriole]

I just started third level of Ancient Gods Part 1, is that the last level of the DLC?

[vast cypress]

The doom hunter was damaging me before I was able to move after the cutscene one time

[tacit loom]

Of Part One, yes

[azure oriole]

Okay

[wooden aspen]

all the other bosses are, depending on difficulty, relatively easy because you practically have everything in your arsenal and a ton of stuff upgraded already by this point

[azure oriole]

Very hard in comparison with main game, you don't have the sword so there's that

[steel quest]

Hi

[wooden aspen]

so you have a lot of choices and tactics you can use to deal with the boss and the demons

[uneven quarry]

Did you check those dates? So, it's not possible at all that those games were not an influence?

[steel quest]

Anyone know who the hardest boss is?

[young mango]

am I having like Deja vu or something or did we not just get done with this exact discussion

[wooden aspen]

Zombie 100% hardest boss imo

[azure oriole]

Welcome to Doom discord

[steel quest]

I might trust you bro

[tacit loom]

Ok so I'm guessing Remote Detonation is a good mod for fighting marauders

[wooden aspen]

idk I don't pay attention much

[austere bronze]

Not really

[tacit loom]

What is PB then

[austere bronze]

Precision bolt

[tacit loom]

OHHHHHH

[wooden aspen]

you can temporarily stun marauders with the grenades

while it will not stun-stun them, it will stop them on track

what I learned at least

[tacit loom]

Well it is cool to have one enemy that fights like you're battling your own Doom Slayer

[uneven quarry]

Marauder was my worst.

[austere bronze]

Too bad that enemy doesn't exist

[young mango]

doom eternal is a better game with his inclusion

[misty cedar]

oh wow

[young mango]

no i don’t think you will

[tacit loom]

As a SSG fan I eat their AI for breakfast so yeah

[young mango]

relevant to conversation is a criteria I’ve seen stated multiple times being acceptable for the usage of memes, and I feel like this fits that

[serene stone]

Wtf. My bro who played Eternal for the very first time noticed a significant change instantly after he got air control for the first time.

[tacit loom]

I don't take Marauders as seriously yet I still can't stand fighting sneks and Mancubi I can just triple rocket out of existence

[serene stone]

Also Classic DOOM had platforming lol. You just had to sprint across large and tight gaps with your momentum since there was no jumping

[tacit loom]

(unless it's invisible sneks, the worst demon ever made so far)

[violet zealot]

I can't stand finding whiplashes myself

[fringe torrent]

Invisible Cacos are the best enemy clearly

[wooden aspen]

I did sort of hear about it but I haven't played classic doom (yet) so I can't say much about it

[vast cypress]

I hate those things

[serene stone]

Those exist in WADs and they're pretty cool

[wooden aspen]

invisible zombie

[serene stone]

PSX DOOM looks peak though unfortunately I never played it

[uneven quarry]

The dogs are a nuisance. Just got to keep the distance.

[violet zealot]

I'm slowly getting more and more mad at myself because I can't remember how to get to this one secret on Hell on Earth

[tacit loom]

I think the other one in AGP1 might be Spirits, just slows you to a crawl a forces you to be a damage sponge for a bit

[wooden aspen]

atm, I'm very frustrated with the dogs, mainly because, even if I don't shoot at their shields at all, a random zombie gonna hit the marauder and they summon a dog. And for some reason, I can't shoot them away fast enough (yet)

[serene stone]

Depends on the map and WAD.

Some have no way to come back up, especially on harder end WADs.

Also The Chasm which is an official level has a section during the second half where you can't get back up.

[tacit loom]

I'd actually love to see a WAD recreation or remaster of it

[young mango]

the marauder wolf has less health than a zombie btw, you could sneeze on it and it’s gone

[vast cypress]

Ive replayed that level so many times because my file would corrupt(I had bethesda version)

[fringe torrent]

In line with the Wolf3D dogs

[violet zealot]

aight, figured it out

[serene stone]

Main thing I hate is the sound effects for the Wolves.

[uneven quarry]

Which secret?

[violet zealot]

imp toy

[vast cypress]

You would hate me in battlemode then

[serene stone]

Probably are some I think

[violet zealot]

forgot where the wall was, had to go searching for it lol

[serene stone]

Good thing I never touched Battlemode

[young mango]

ay lemme get a mint, lemme get one too, lemme hold one, what the dog doin?

[vast cypress]

It's not for everyone, I found it fun before the skill gap and no skill based. Also sometimes takes forever to find a game

[tacit loom]

Hopefully they can function in DOOM + DOOM II if there's remakes of the games' PSX versions

[young mango]

battlemode is either person who just bought the game or the best battlemode player ever there’s no inbetween

[serene stone]

I think it would function as 2016-ified WADs have worked on the port, but there hasn't been uploads for PSX themed stuff yet.

[fringe torrent]

There has, I played one, just a HUD and SFX swap

[tacit loom]

There was a wad that contained the PSX exclusive levels

[serene stone]

No. I meant with the general aesthetics and sprites.

I played some with 64's music and sounds though

[vast cypress]

Exactly lol, I'll have a teammate that is brand new to the game and fight a slayer who has thousands of hours on the game

[tacit loom]

But anyway, I think I'll hop onto Eternal again soon to take care of Part 2

[fringe torrent]

Still mad at the fact I got spot 131 on the Battlemode Slayer leaderboards

[serene stone]

I played that, but it still looked like 1993/Doom II, instead of PSX

[uneven quarry]

Located in the area around the SCOTT mall. Look to your left for an entry point in the Shuz buidling. Jump the overturned truck. Double jump to the ledge and climb through. Yes, I did have to google this!!

[fringe torrent]

#doom-eternal message lmao

[tacit loom]

PSX Doom does reuse the graphics from the PC games though

It is way darker and has a different hud though

[serene stone]

Sorta. It's like a DOOM 64-ified with colored lighting version of them

Even though it was before 64 if I remember right

[fringe torrent]

Yes

[serene stone]

Also shares the sound effects with 64

[fringe torrent]

And composer

[serene stone]

Which are MUCH punchier than 1993/II's

Though I still like the 1993/II sound effects as well. Iconic and have their charm, even if they're not the strongest sounding

[uneven quarry]

Any on know about a Doom/ Quake connection as far as lore goes?

[tacit loom]

Yeah I think the old sound effects are way too iconic to look away from, but 64 and PSX has got good enough sound effects with their own pants-ruining charm

(because they're horror themed)

[serene stone]

Though for Plasma Rifle and Rocket Launcher I think the classic is a bit punchier than 64

DOOM 1993/DOOM II Rocket Launcher is so amazing sounding

[fringe torrent]

Not sure if QC and Q3A are canon, but Doomguy is there

You can make your own intepretations with the fact that Quake 1 is about dimension travel, though

[uneven quarry]

I saw and article that mentioned Doom Guy is tyring to get out of hell, becomes a Slayer and that's when Doom begins. Sounds Fucked up, but could it be?

[fringe torrent]

I know nothing about DOOM lore, don't ask me about that

[serene stone]

I just realized Quake Con aesthetics could probably be restored 1:1

Or almost 1:1

[violet zealot]

Well, Doom begins before that

[serene stone]

Classic DOOM (1993, II, and 64) he's not even the Slayer yet.

[uneven quarry]

I think maybe they were talking about it like a prequel.

[azure oriole]

Why is Horde Mode kinda fun

[young mango]

can you believe we got that instead of invasion mode

[tacit loom]

From what I heard, Blood Maykrs actually got nerfed from them having insanely tight windows to PB their noggins when the DLC was new

I remember them being way harder so that's a relief I can fight them more easily now

[young mango]

I think the nerf was unnecessary but at the same time overplayed

[tacit loom]

Tbf The Holt still has a lot of difficult stuff in it like the sprit Tyrant

[young mango]

like the enemy was already just they do greenlight then headshot, you’re not adding or subtracting anything from the enemies engagement by making that window longer because that’s literally the entire interaction you have with them in the first place

[eternal halo]

Fuck that spirit tyrant

[azure oriole]

what's invasion mode

[young mango]

idea that was scheduled to be added but got scrapped, involved a slayer playing through a level and player demons attempting to sabotage basically

[azure oriole]

So like Battle Mode kinda

[young mango]

yes sort of

[azure oriole]

Battlemode but it's campaign

[young mango]

yeah

[azure oriole]

Honestly both Horde and Invasion are cool

[young mango]

horde is nice in concept, but beyond that, it gets dull quicker than it should

[hard perch]

thats left 4 dead vs

[eternal halo]

Horde needs to be infinite wave combat and not whatever the hell it is rn

[burnt moss]

Wait that’s regular holt? I was hoping it was an ML

[tacit loom]

Yeah the DLC is tough as nails

But anyways, I beat the first level of Part 2, started off rough because Screecher Zombies

SUCK

It was pretty smooth sailing once I got the Sentinel Hammer though, that thing helped a lot with getting armor

I even got the Jade skin for the SSG, which is great because I'm a sucker for jade

[tacit loom]

Yeah

[serene stone]

Shadow Warrior 3 has a much better horde mode imo, also you can extend it permanently by choice

[serene stone]

Just realized I originally said "unless"

[burnt moss]

Hey how do I kill the spirits in the Samur fight without plasma rifle?

[vale pebble]

use the plasma rifle 💀

[burnt moss]

I unmapped it for quickswapping

[vale pebble]

either do that or kill every enemy before the spirit has a chance to possess them

[vale pebble]

controller?

[burnt moss]

I don’t think that’s working for me in phase 2

[fringe torrent]

Weapon wheel

[vale pebble]

then kill them

use the weapon wheel

[burnt moss]

Unmapped it from weapon wheel so I have a 4 weapon wheel

[vale pebble]

add it back then lol

[serene stone]

For punch swapping I'm guessing?

[fringe torrent]

Can't you literally just for this one occasion bind it to some random key you never use

[serene stone]

Because I did the same thing so I can punch swap lol. (I'm on Xbox)

[burnt moss]

Nah I got tired of accidentally grabbing wrong weapon due to clumsiness

[serene stone]

Also you can mod swap from the back menus (where the map and stuff is)

[burnt moss]

So there’s literally no alternative?

[burnt moss]

Wait can you weapon swap on the menu?

[serene stone]

Though for some reason it bugs out the microwave beam if you mod swap to it from the select menus

[vale pebble]

I mean also having most of the weapons is pretty nice, you are basically nerfing yourself by only being able to swap between 4 weapons

[serene stone]

Yeah, speedrunners do tricks with that a lot

[young mango]

yeah no alternative

[young mango]

for like one thing, pause boosting is the only practical application of that

[serene stone]

True, but I seen quite a bit of that

[young mango]

and even then it’s often a disadvantage, to the point where all pause boosts have been removed from the routing of the campaign

[azure oriole]

Is quickswapping just spamming the swap buttons while shooting

[young mango]

no

[serene stone]

Not really removing weapons as they're still on the weapon wheel as well, the binds just allows punch swapping on controller.

[serene stone]

What does that even mean

[azure oriole]

Idk

Like shoot once, swap, shoot once, swap

[serene stone]

I think you mean swapping to the same weapon you're meleeing with which allows punch swapping and that's a different thing

[azure oriole]

repeat ad nauseam

[serene stone]

I guess you could call that quick swapping.

[azure oriole]

punch swapping...?

[burnt moss]

Well I have 4 on the wheel and 4 directly mapped to my controller but I literally never use plasma so I left it off

[young mango]

there’s 8 weapons, you could’ve absolutely made room for it

[burnt moss]

Hm I guess I didn’t build it around TAG

[full wagon]

my eternal in the mod beta… the mouse feels more sluggish than the main game yet the settings seem to be the same

can really notice it in menuing too

it’s just a more… sluggish, dragged down feel

[burnt moss]

Yup you were right. I had Rocket both mapped and on the wheel. So I replaced it with Plasma on the wheel and beat it pretty quick

[grand crystal]

Is there a mod that makes the archville's head smaller?

[burnt moss]

Why tho

[grand crystal]

Smaller head will make him look taller and bigger.

He now has a big head and very long arms which makes him look kinda short lol

[gloomy elm]

hi

[azure oriole]

i wish i could have a mod like that but im on controller

[grand crystal]

Controller? You mean console?

[azure oriole]

I'm thinking getting rest of the skin DLC's, but I don't wanna put 20 EUR for them

[compact temple]

I think this is a problem with Vsync in the main menu I felt like there was drag in my mouse movement when I set vsync to on or adaptive but not the case when it was off

[strange gale]

isn't this just the game in general

you spam fast if you have the execution, and spam slow if you don't

i'm just not quite sure what point you're trying to make

[strange gale]

it's like the overall tag1 nerf, it only really affected people who were ass at it to begin with

[young mango]

yeah the nerf to TAG1 was way overplayed and asides from slightly tweaking Ai in a negligible way, like 3 encounters tops were changed, and even then I think those all got reverted anyways except for like the spirit introduction in blood swamps

The biggest change to TAG1 was just the quality of life ability of turrets ( a literal ambient enemy ) having a longer window of exposure

people often tout these changes as if they are some total game changer that made the game one gorbillion times harder but that’s not the case

[young mango]

I’m bored so I’m going to add onto this, I think people in general will complain about change even if logically they don’t have a reason to be opposed to it

[young mango]

one that especially gets me is the complaint about how eternals melee is bad, like dude the ability to put fodder into stagger in what is a subjectively “easier” way is still an openly available option, with the dash basically filling the same role if you wanted it to, falters fodder and deals a teeny bit of damage, and if we’re talking pre dash then we’re complaining about the lack of a mechanic for like a level and a half, meanwhile double jump is unlocked like at least 1/3rd through the campaign on 2016

like it’s such a weird complaint that I do not think would exist had people not been predisposed to it in the previous game, like the bar for execution to fire 2 heavy cannon shots at a zombie cannot be difficult enough to warrant the thought process that somebody would want that mechanic back

[slow sigil]

Honestly if the fist didn't even come out (so no animation), I think there would still be complaints about "where melee" but far less, and people would deflect it to BP being the melee

[strange gale]

a bunch of the enemy "nerfs" were really just bug fixes

aren't you glad dread knight slams can't deal 180 damage anymore?

[tacit loom]

I just learned that Marauders have an actual serious weakness: Sticky Bombs

[serene stone]

Eternal's melee being bad without blood punch is basically a throwback to Classic DOOM's melee being bad without Berserk power up

[tacit loom]

I think Full Auto has also become my preferred mod for the shotgun

Nothing replaces the SSG though, that mfer has the fiery meathook

[serene stone]

If only it were like Shadow Warrior 's full auto

[young mango]

6.66 making that change to ramp hops is just so fucking good it made movement exceptionally easier

[slow sigil]

"Serious weakness" is also a serious overstatement

[young mango]

yeah really

[young mango]

I’m assuming this was referring to the splash damage being able to bypass the shield, and there’s several factors on this, even if each of those dealt their maximum splash ( not happening ) it’d take 13 shots just to stagger

[serene stone]

All those Sticky Bombs wasted for just LOBs

The strength of Sticky Bombs gets blown out of proportion way too often

[tacit loom]

I've pelted them a good amount even when I didn't get to their green eyes

So yeah

[slow sigil]

Lol, lmfao
It's ok at best

[young mango]

cringeyname616 talks on here like daily it’s astonishing how few people realize a lot of this stuff is ironically said

[tacit loom]

Full Auto didn't do shit

[young mango]

I wouldn’t call it bait or trolling because that implies these things are said with the intention to deceive, but these things are very obviously not supposed to be taken seriously

[slow sigil]

Just like the unmaykr!!!

[tacit loom]

Unmaykr is damn good in the DLC with all the super heavys around

BFG blasts don't really hurt stuff like Doom Hunters and Tyrants much at all, but the Unmaykr is more respectable

[indigo crag]

Can someone help me, I'm stuck

[tiny gust]

What happened?

[indigo crag]

I'm explaining it in general

[wispy wind]

The unmaykr is horribly underrated, it is on the same level as the bfg, the problem is that many people just use it like the bfg

It's just got different uses

Secret encounters for example, the unmaykr decimates them while the bfg can't even get all of the enemies in some cases, it's really dependent on where you are and what you're fighting

[slow sigil]

Yeah no problem is it is not on the same level, in single target damage it pulls ahead a bit, but you should never be struggling in a 1v1 scenario

Basic pb swaps also are stupidly close to the unmaykr's damage output whilst not wasting an arena stunner

[slow sigil]

There's not a single secret encounter where you'd need to use the unmaykr, let alone one where it's better then the bfg. Taras nabad maybe

[serene stone]

True. Unmaykr better though

[lyric isle]

Is it possible to get back into doom eternal after having not played it for a long time
Cause now am even worse than i was before and i wanna finish TAG1&2 ;-;

[rough valve]

Help people, it won't let me read the mods in the installed folder, when I change tabs and come back, they are put back in the non-installed folder, even if I start the game with the option to play with mods, they are not saved

Yes, I have several mods that I put on the first day of release of the mod system that I can use, but it won't let me put them in the uninstalled folder, the same thing happens that when changing tabs or entering the game, they they put the installed

[dense shale]

Hard agree, i've tried fiddling around with the unmaykr since i was never using the BFG, and the problem is that there's just simply never a scenario in which you need to use the unmaykr.

any other combo will do you just fine, you could argue "Oh but it uses BFG ammo! so incase you run out you can just use the unmaykr right?"

except if you're even semi-decent at ammo managment, that will NEVER be a problem

Plus one problem i had with it, is that the BFG and Unmaykr are bound to the same key and each time i'd press that key it'd pull out the BFG first. So you have to press it AGAIN to equip the unmaykr, that alone was so annoying that i gave up trying to use it

Despite how much mayo shills the full auto, i'm sorry it's just not as good

I can see how someone could benefit from the shell gain on kill with it, but again if you're good with ammo managment that will never be a problem

Plus you'll kill stuff way faster and more efficiently if you just PB + Sticky bomb them rather than using the full auto

I'm 100% sure it's just a matter of ones personal playstyle, but i like playing FAST. and that's exactly what the full auto doesn't do

it DOESN'T let me play fast

[slow sigil]

Does it or is it cooler to use your other tools which are strictly better

[dense shale]

I'm all in for hitting cool clips n' all that but full auto DOESN'T make your clips look better i'm sorry LO

like sure i can see people respecting you for using it

which i would too, but it's not as flashy

[slow sigil]

It's cooler to be efficient then to force yourself to use a mathematically inferior weapon

[dense shale]

^^^^^

yeah but again you can clear that room out way faster and more efficiently with other weapons

[slow sigil]

A singular room does not make the argumenr

[dense shale]

MAKES IT WORSE ACTUALLY

[slow sigil]

That's like saying mobile turret is "good" because it has a weird interaction with pos marauders, but they only show up twice ever so like

[dense shale]

correct me if i'm wrong but i believe if you PB a fodder demon it can have AOE damage? so it kills stuff around it

do that with sticky bombs or an RPG and you're set

you have full control over your movement, and don't have smaller FOV

and that smaller FOV makes you tunnel vision A LOT.

[dense shale]

Yup pretty much

and we still come to the same problem, other quickswitch combos will easily out-DPS the mobile turret

so why use it?

it's only cool to someone who hasn't played doom eternal before

otherwise they'd know how much they're handicapping themselves

the mobile turret nmakes you incredibly slow, which the shield attachment doesn't do

that alone makes the shield automatically superior

[violet zealot]

well, I do like sometimes going into Hell on Earth and shred low-tier demons with the cool (but otherwise pretty useless) weapons

[dense shale]

yeah it can work over there since there's not much at stake

[violet zealot]

fair

[dense shale]

but if we're talking for example UN runs, where you'd want to play in the most optional way possible, the mobile turret and full auto just don't cut it

it's not just a matter of things being "slept on", those weapon mods are used less for a reason

Micro missiles are more subjective than anything

i'm pretty sure their DPS is pretty good but it removes your ability to do PB combos

so that's a ❌ for me

[dense shale]

oooor you can just use the shield and ice bombs/frag grenades

which interrupt the gameplay less and are more effective at doing that

• the ssg staggers most things iirc

[slow sigil]

Why not like, actually just kill them and still chainsaw on the infinitely spawning fodder for your ammo. Then BFG in the tougher arenas where there are places to shoot bfg

[sullen meteor]

ugh, had to wait until the Holt to get the ballista in horde mode

ssg I got way too late too

this mode could have been good but not with RNG like this lol

really why not just give you all the weapons from the start? would be way more fun

[fringe torrent]

Better solution is to add a NG+ mode to it

[valid sand]

Hi

[sullen meteor]

yep, anything really

honestly I didn't need a lot to please me for horde mode: giant waves of enemies in the Battlemode arenas so those would be used for single player. Instead we got this weird slot machine weapon system and for some reason they chose some of the worst arenas from the campaign

[valid sand]

I have a little issue, i'm trying ultranightmare mode, but the game is crashing while loading before the hunter base after cultist zone, stays on 92% for a moment and just crash, i tryed to reboot the pc but is not working, any solution for that?

[sullen meteor]

you could try verifying the files through Steam

if it crashes on load then you might have some corrupted data somewhere

[valid sand]

i haven't think of that

thanks

i'm gonna try

[undone mantle]

Hello

[austere bronze]

It is very much possible

[valid sand]

not working 🥺 i'm gonna search it on google, but it seems to i have to delete the file and do a new save

[pearl viper]

There's a setting that sometimes makes people's games crash. Look for Present from compute in video settings.

Turn that off.

[valid sand]

thanks

going to try

[pearl mesa]

bumping from ultra violence to nightmare reminded me of how bad I am at the game

[lyric isle]

I keep losing the motivation ;-;

[pearl mesa]

force yourself to play

[austere bronze]

UV to NM is a very large jump tbf

[austere bronze]

if you don't want to play, don't play

[pearl mesa]

what changed? demons damage?

[austere bronze]

demons damage is the most important thing as it doubles from UV to NM

[pearl mesa]

definetly noticable

meathooking up to a mancubus is pretty much suicide in my experience

not so much in UV

[lyric isle]

I do want to play though
I just dont have enough motivation to do so, which is further enhanced when i try to continue my TAG save and not knowing what im doing

[austere bronze]

a good rule of thumb is that you don't want to be close to the demons

[pearl mesa]

replay everything then

[pearl mesa]

have to punch the armored macubuses

[lyric isle]

I have a extra lives mode save aswell of the base game on ITYTD but yea

I made it that cause i got two milestones to do

And a ps trophy

[austere bronze]

lower the difficulty then

[austere bronze]

you don't have to, but it's good to do

and you can get a blood punch in without taking any damage

[wooden aspen]

Dies to Marauder
Game explains to me how Marauder works
Me, who already knows how he exactly works

ingame tips ARE disabled, so why do I get this useless popup?

[azure oriole]

It means when you're in game, a tip will pop up occasioally

I think

[wooden aspen]

so why does the setting for disabling ingame tips exist then?
Not talking about the ones before the start of a level, but it just pops up

[uneven quarry]

Hello! Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the two attachments for the chaingun are? Thanx!

[fringe torrent]

One lets you shoot more bullets out, the other grants a shield around you, and it's pretty OP

[uneven quarry]

Thank you, good sir!

[slow sigil]

Mobile turret shoots fast, shield gives you godmode on demand and actually does more damage then Mobile Turret despite that being the "DPS increasing" mod

[pearl mesa]

you're telling me mobile turret doesn't do 4x the damage as it suggests

[slow sigil]

Idk the numbers but shieldbashing do more

[strange gale]

nah mobile turret does way more

64 ms firing interval on paper (actually 50 ms in game, don't ask me why), 96 damage per shot (4 barrels that deal 24 damage each but they fire at the same time)

1000 ms/50 ms = 20 shots per second
20 sps * 96 damage = 1920 dps

you get optimal shield bash damage by dashing every half a second (upgraded dash cooldown is 500 ms), and with the 200 damage that a single bash deals, that results in 400 dps

i'm aware of the other thing, but i'd rather not talk about it

[pearl mesa]

I actually never use the chaingun

[pearl mesa]

no

[patent moon]

Berserker mode is so satisfying

[austere bronze]

The shield is a really good mod

But if you want to be cool, don't use it xD

[azure oriole]

Do we know how long time will the beta last ?

What Slayer skin y'all rock

[dry yacht]

cultist

[azure oriole]

how you get that one?

[dry yacht]

you could earn it for free back in the day but now you can just buy it

[azure oriole]

damn

[storm eagle]

I never got in the habit of using it the first time around, and now just plain forget it exists 'til I see others using it lol

[quiet parcel]

Mayker

[austere bronze]

Extremely based

[dry yacht]

I forget about the chain gun all the time

[fringe torrent]

Carried in the OG trilogy + 3

[austere bronze]

Zased

[storm eagle]

So are you!

[austere bronze]

:)

[dry yacht]

Zased?

[austere bronze]

I just made it up

Iit's like based, but different

[wispy wind]

Idk I found it easier to use the unmaykr in many of them

And there's also the marauder combo

And you could use it to dispatch archviles faster I'm pretty sure

It'd also take less ammo than the bfg

[fringe torrent]

Arch-viles are already pretty easy

If you have an ice bomb at hand it's pretty much GG

[broken parcel]

hi guys

[wispy wind]

Yea I honestly thought they were gonna be hell but actually I don't even crucible them half the time and I've only played the game once

It's just when there are multiple and you don't know where they are

[broken parcel]

Are you thinking about buying the Ancient Gods DLC and beating it?

[wispy wind]

I already got it lol

After final sin I'm starting

[broken parcel]

this good one DLC?

[fringe torrent]

Both are good, at least in my opinion

You really only need 3 DLCs to have a 'complete game' of Eternal

[wispy wind]

I've heard they're more doom but harder

[fringe torrent]

TAG 2 is easier

[wispy wind]

Unless you use the sentinel hammer*

[broken parcel]

ok, thanks for help!

[wispy wind]

Cursed prowlers can eat my

Antlers

[fringe torrent]

TAG 1, TAG 2 and Rip and Tear pack

[wispy wind]

Whole

I haven't even fought one yet but I already hate them

[austere bronze]

Tag2 is easier than base campaign even without hammer

[wooden aspen]

SGN ML NM is killing me

[serene stone]

I'd say Tag 2 is easier, though part 2 of Escalation encounters without hammer is harder than TAG 1 barring Samur and The Holt in general.

[compact temple]

How the fuck do I do world spear ML UN

[azure oriole]

Practice tbh

[austere bronze]

(Ab)use hammer, shield and flame belch

[dry yacht]

keep playing it

[burnt moss]

Wait can I not redo levels on extra life mode? There’s no mission select. On TAG 1

[slow sigil]

Yup, you can't. Since it's supposed to be done in 1 playthrough so you can't just loose ELs from replaying levels (or gain them)

[azure oriole]

If you have no more lives no

[burnt moss]

Yeah I wanted to farm them haha

[slow sigil]

Yeah that would be stupid

[azure oriole]

It'd make more sense to make it so they were 1 time use

You can replay the level but not farm the extra lives

[slow sigil]

Sounds like a lot of possible programming (depending on how they saved that data) whilst just not letting you replay levels on a gimick gamemode is much easier

[burnt moss]

Am I right in remembering that Holt is the hardest TAG level?

Btw hi Luci

[slow sigil]

Depends on if you count the boss and slayer gate

[serene stone]

Def

[bitter portal]

i completed doom 2016 campaign and i cant stop playing eternal like it's 2016

it's getting me killed all the time in mars core master level

[azure oriole]

I keep playing 2016 like it's Eternal

[bitter portal]

theres a mod that makes eternal like 2016

but i dont think it got ported to the official mod thing yet

[austere bronze]

So... you don't use dash, meathook or equipment and you only use ssg+ballista?

[bitter portal]

well, i don't dash at all

[fringe torrent]

M1 doesn't know you have equipment in 2016

[bitter portal]

i do just use ssg and ballista though

[austere bronze]

Do you have flame belch and ice grenade?

[azure oriole]

You have Grenade, Hologram, Siphon nade

[fringe torrent]

Ice Grenade is basically just a Siphon

[azure oriole]

Stun Bomb is Ice Nade but no brrr

[austere bronze]

Start doing it

[azure oriole]

do it

[austere bronze]

Not dashing is literally straight up avoiding one of the core movement mechanics

[storm eagle]

Use all of your equipment

[austere bronze]

(Not a good idea to do)

[bitter portal]

😭 okay. i will try

i used to be crazy in eternal, but i got bored of it. so i went back to doom 2016 because i wanted more doom

[austere bronze]

It's not hard, in the beginning you can just press the button

[azure oriole]

Use equipment like your life depends on it (it does)

[bitter portal]

alright

[austere bronze]

"Crazy" is a strong word

[young mango]

just play 2016 at this point, doing the same thing in eternal is basically crippling yourself

[austere bronze]

Yea😭

I've tried unbinding dash like 2 times and it's a completely different world

Especially without air control

[bitter portal]

yeah, i might just stay on 2016. especially since the game coming up is slower-paced than eternal

[bitter portal]

i'll be more ready once i start playing the dark ages

[young mango]

the ability to temporarily albeit completely bring your vertical momentum to a complete halt is an amazing feature

[austere bronze]

You're not going to play Eternal just to prepare for another game that comes out in 1 year at best?

[austere bronze]

Yes

On top of that you gain some distance in a direction of your choice

[bitter portal]

yeah 😭 i might try playing eternal once in a while

[austere bronze]

Alright..

[young mango]

so what would you say you played like at your peak skill?

[austere bronze]

SGN ML on UN at best is my guess

[bitter portal]

no, just nightmare

im a wimp so i didn't attempt UN once

[young mango]

you know, my perception on what is an average skill level for this game has been disproportionately skewed by myself and the people I have seen

[burnt moss]

Not counting the boss. Including the slayer gate though I think. Because my reason for asking has to do with wondering whether I have anything as difficult ahead in TAG2

[slow sigil]

Oh tag in general
Yeah no tag2, even post rework, still aint that much

[azure oriole]

Holy fuck the Luminarium boss fight was tedious

Clearly the game stops working at this point as a whole, getting stucked between three enemies when you are glitching yourself out, you die

[young mango]

this is a common point that a lot of people will make and yes it sucks to hear it, but if enemies are crowding around you to the point where you cannot move, that is a situation that is entirely the players fault

[azure oriole]

Nope

When I shift two times and get stucked in the environment and it also happened more than three times to me, it clearly isn't player's fault

Samur

[austere bronze]

If you get surrounded, how is that not your fault?

[azure oriole]

Probably the last one when he summons those two possesed big demons

[young mango]

I had tried to soften the blow by saying “it sucks to hear” because the denial of this fact is such a predictable response

[austere bronze]

Responsibility is a hard thing...

[azure oriole]

You tell me buddy, you don't expect to get glitched between blood maykr and normal zombie

[austere bronze]

Why are you so close to a blood maykr

[young mango]

I know this game better than I should, there’s basically no such thing as getting “glitched” inbetween enemies

[azure oriole]

Are you crying more than me? Good

🤣

[young mango]

you’re getting very defensive for something I said in a very polite manner

[azure oriole]

Yeah I wanted to evade but glitched between all of them when they surrounded me

[austere bronze]

You got CCed

[azure oriole]

Hope you won't have breakdown from it

[austere bronze]

If Tammie says you can't glitch between enemies, you can't

[azure oriole]

Who?

[azure oriole]

I don't follow Doom language

[young mango]

I won’t, and I apologize for having initiated your insecure behavior

[azure oriole]

Vanilla Eternal is kinda easy

But this one is quite tedious

[azure oriole]

Sorry you are being insecure from projecting more

[austere bronze]

CC is when an enemy does a attack that makes you unable to move/move worse

[azure oriole]

Oh yeah

None of this happened in vanilla

[austere bronze]

Gets stuck between enemies and dies
Says it's too easy

[azure oriole]

Like, I try to move and hoppity around but it wasn't enough

Not a big tryhard either

[young mango]

you know what you’re right, you made some valuable points, but it is now time to disengage, thank you for your time

[austere bronze]

If it's too hard, lower the difficulty

[azure oriole]

I said vanilla not the DLC

Wires cooked?

[austere bronze]

DLC is vanilla

[fringe torrent]

Why would you call it vanilla? That name is reserved for a modless experience

[azure oriole]

Have a good time and happy seething

[fringe torrent]

Call it the base campaign

[young mango]

I will, thank you

[azure oriole]

he baiting

Well I call it vanilla because

I can

[fringe torrent]

The game killed you like that because it can

[azure oriole]

I like the challenge but it's kinda too much

[austere bronze]

I can say I'm the best Eternal player, but that doesn't mean I am

[azure oriole]

Mimimi

[austere bronze]

If it's too much just lower the difficulty

[azure oriole]

Damn what a distress

Call some mods to calm you down boys

[young mango]

wonderful idea

[fringe torrent]

You go do that, have fun

[azure oriole]

I guess nobody bans for abuse anymore

Table's turning

[austere bronze]

Often I see people complaining that they get cornered/surrounded and it isn't their fault and it's just a BS death

In reality it's the opposite, you are responsible for your movement and actions

[azure oriole]

It haven't happened in vanilla

Also there were no spirits in vanilla

[austere bronze]

🤯

[azure oriole]

Anything can have BS sometimes

[austere bronze]

Maybe... just maybe the DLC is harder

Just bacause you didn't move well doesn't mean it's a bs death

It can be bs yeah, but I don't see how that's really relevant

[azure oriole]

Hippity hoppity I hope that changes with the sequel.

[azure oriole]

what sequel?

[austere bronze]

So you want a easier game so you don't have to lower the difficulty?

[azure oriole]

Word

[azure oriole]

Maybe I don't give up

Maybeee

[young mango]

we’ve noticed

[austere bronze]

Yeah?

[azure oriole]

I was already playing on medium (kill me plenty) so yeah

[azure oriole]

Do it on UN Shotgun Full Auto only

Yep

In that moment there is also spirit demon and Samur summons two eyes which dry health from you

Yep

Basically the last phase

I tried it with sentinel armor to spare my nerves

[acoustic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-24935909

[azure oriole]

Samur?

Fighting with spirit demon is schizophrenic itself

[azure oriole]

Oh you're here, hello

Yep

Why?

Is it a DLC fight?

I mean it's okay to have higher difficuilty

Makes sense to be honest.

But this was just tedious

It's a DLC, I mean it should be harder

Nerfed it how

That's not necessarily a nerf

A direct nerf to the boss I mean

[young mango]

The nerfs to TAG1 were inconsequential and I often think peoples disapproval of them are rooted in the fact that they’re against change done to this game in general

[azure oriole]

Boo increase the spawn rate

I am kidding

I dealt with my first Archvile today

Who?

[acoustic lark]

imagine people would read what they buy, where would be the fun of complaining

[young mango]

no he did not https://youtu.be/-L5ufUd1Pco?si=WUHILfKAtq7x_SNj

[azure oriole]

I heard a vine boom every time I read the highlighted parts

[acoustic lark]

because of some whiney little bitches

there, i said it.

[azure oriole]

Cause people complained about difficulty

It's like Doom 1 all over again

Cause people aren't good

[acoustic lark]

i wasnt good at doom eternal by all means, but even i was like "whu..."

[azure oriole]

Why nerf it if people are complaining, why would anyone complain if you know that what you're getting yourself into is difficult

[acoustic lark]

sadly not how the difficulty settings work & change/affect the game/gameplay

Just lock your FPS to 30, and the game turns into babymode, ez

[azure oriole]

Lock it to 10

I won't bash how you play but why do you alter the difficulty when you play?

[azure oriole]

Are you saying to not buy any more Doom product?

[azure oriole]

Saying you should know what you're getting yourself into rather than complain

[azure oriole]

Oh, thanks for assurance spokeperson

My bad, I meant to say do you alter the difficulty when playing, i.e going from a harder one to an easier one

[acoustic lark]

That is not what i said at all.
Seems you really have a problem with comprehensive reading.

[azure oriole]

Yeah, you did, being somehow biased on those who just want to play and enjoy their game

[acoustic lark]

[azure oriole]

If you have a hard time why not learn?

[azure oriole]

Any tips?

[acoustic lark]

I didn't even reply to your message, with what you mentioned.
If you feel addressed: thats on you.

I have no doubt!

[azure oriole]

Id/Bethesda gave you one right when you were at the end of Cultist Base: Each death is a learning experience

[azure oriole]

Hope you will wipe the cream off your chin when you stop gargling

No wonder Steam forums are so much better

[azure oriole]

Gargling what?

How is that funny? It was just a question.

[acoustic lark]

Will do, unmute is coming when im done doing that :)

[deft hamlet]

Somebody plays on nintendo switch?

[cedar girder]

guys, i did some achivements but they wont show up on steam, there are a lot of them, any ideas what is going on?

i used to have the game on bethesda launcher but then it was moved to steam

[azure oriole]

hm, you said you have the game on steam now?

maybe you might have to redo them, not 100% sure

also off topic but do you guys know how to change your keybinds in the command prompt menu? i cant do it through the ingame menu for some reason

[cedar girder]

i tried, but i've found a solution

disable cloud saves and renamed my saved data from steam

[azure oriole]

ahhh i see i see
so its fixed?

[cedar girder]

i dont know yet, im trying now to see if i get achievements

[azure oriole]

i just need to know the commands for the ones that change weapon binds

i just need help man 😭

[cedar girder]

looks like it works with removing the steam user data

but i had no idea that exists

cool

yeah i saved it

i got huge level

doing this, removed it

[royal arch]

some are milestones

[unique harness]

I finally bought the DLCs and played the first level on Nightmare. Damn, this game can cure depression!

[regal walrus]

when is the new event

[burnt moss]

Sorry to dig up an old conversation, but I do feel like the environment puts you into freefall a lot more in DLC than base game did. I try climbing a ledge and the wall eats me for a couple seconds, that’s plenty of time for a possessed demon or two to come over and speedbag me. At no fault of my own because I can’t jump or dash until the game sets me down.

[young mango]

again, that is still the players fault, this game is about managing resources, and in a comparative way, your dashes and jumps are the same way, with the refill for that being touching the ground, if you go airborne and then just use all of what you have up that’s not the games fault

[young mango]

also to add onto this, a ledge grab animation takes like, half a second tops, if your entire stack is depleted by half a second of inactivity that is also the players fault

like yeah doom eternal has ways it can screw you over but this isn’t one of them

[inland kernel]

i just defeated it

yayyy

[idle cove]

Someone give me the exact definition of "buffstacked?" Is it a combination of screecher, buff totem, and possessed?