doom-eternal

[sage axle]

Is there a strategy to that section on world spear that sticks you in the purple goo?

[young mango]

maybe…

[azure oriole]

go into the smoke

[sage axle]

Because every time I get there I feel powerless

[azure oriole]

pb + ballista

[sage axle]

How fast does that kill you

[stiff shadow]

oh shit i forgot

[azure oriole]

pretty slowly but make sure to set some demons on fire so you can regen the damage while outside

[sage axle]

Thanks

[azure oriole]

and kill them so you will pick it up automatically

[slow spear]

I can beat TAG1 on UN Im pretty sure but have no idea how Ill endure base campaign UN

[sage axle]

Tag1 might honestly be harder

Except maybe cultist base

[azure oriole]

tag 1 is harder apperantly but it feels so slow to play without upgrades

[slow spear]

My only worries are possessed enemies

Especially that one arena in the holt

[sage axle]

I don’t blame you

[azure oriole]

pb + mb

[azure oriole]

that's easy

[slow spear]

Precision bolt and microwave beam?

[azure oriole]

dear glask why are you disagreeing?

[azure oriole]

yes

[slow spear]

Also I honestly suck more on UN due to playing way more defensively

[azure oriole]

i'm sure everyone does

[sage axle]

I like to imagine glask as the guy at the party who sits in the corner to be mysterious but actually pulls it off

[austere bronze]

he literally hasn't said a word in a while, and he's right yknow

[azure oriole]

you can't just do the microwave beam dirty like that

underrated weapon

[slow spear]

Didnt do the escalation encounters in TAG2 UN and began to worry when I got hit once by the dark lord

[sage axle]

It unironically might be the worst mod in the game

It’s only use is to get rid of spirits

[austere bronze]

overrated if anything

[slow spear]

I proceeded to to do them again without dying out of guilt

[azure oriole]

i use it against all super heavies

[sage axle]

That would take like five years

[young mango]

this is how I handled it last time I played TAG2 on UN https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxgAjG-_hPjGQlUDS9EBcChqrfkVpqfXDw?si=WOMBSDLYwiurED15

[azure oriole]

and i think full auto is worse

[sage axle]

Thanks

[stiff shadow]

mb is alright i guess

[sage axle]

Full auto has some uses, mb really doesn’t

[stiff shadow]

you can use it against doom hunter shields (blood punch) and spirits but nothing else really

[strange gale]

the ripple effects of mayo's de content can still be felt today...

[azure oriole]

idk i only use it for stone imps

[sage axle]

Against big groups of fodder demons it basically gives you infinite ammo

[azure oriole]

sorry but i watched the tf2 guy's video on it

[sage axle]

Who is mayo?

[austere bronze]

to think that I almost started using FA at one point because of that guy...

[slow spear]

I barely use the microwave beam now

[azure oriole]

under the mayo look to the right of your screen

[sage axle]

What?

[slow spear]

Honestly my playstyle is now quickswapping to the pb and I enjoy it the most that way now

[stiff shadow]

i never watched mayo

not even one video

[azure oriole]

he's online and in this server, a youtuber

[sage axle]

I don’t really watch doom on YouTube tbh

[slow spear]

SSG + PB, RL + PB, Ballista + PB

Is ssg pb stronger or ssg ballista

[azure oriole]

it depends

[austere bronze]

pb ssg

[sage axle]

I leaned pretty much exclusively on ssg+ballista until I got to spirits

Now I generally cycle through all four depending on the situation

[young mango]

blasting through the game with one combo doom 2016 brainrot

[azure oriole]

close range ssg pb
long range i always use the pb + ballista/rl

[sage axle]

My bad 😢

[azure oriole]

pb is my brain rot

[austere bronze]

nah, full auto for long range coupled with ssg punch swaps

[sage axle]

Now that’s how to snipe

[stiff shadow]

no dual lock on rl for close range 👍

[slow spear]

I just cant get into punchswapping

[azure oriole]

[sage axle]

You’re all forgetting the professional combo

Quick swapping between sticky bombs and plasma rifle heat blast

[young mango]

punch activated FSE to RL punchswapping for close range 😍

[azure oriole]

sticky pb is hard

also i can't do punch swaps

[sage axle]

Glask starred my comment my life is now complete

[azure oriole]

and double LoB

[sage axle]

I still don’t know what the mastery for lob does because I almost never use it

[young mango]

my friend introduced me to a funny piece of slang, he said all these people joining the server because of tda are “front pagers”

[stiff shadow]

super shotgun + plasma rifle heat blast with double blood punch for long range ♥️ 😍 🥰

[austere bronze]

it's really only used for a tech called SLOB

[sage axle]

Ah my English teacher called me that once

[austere bronze]

a person who uses SLOB is a slobber

and a person who's a fan of it is a slobbist

[sage axle]

I joined just because I wanted to talk to people who play this game because no one I know does

[sage axle]

So people who do that exclusively use it or something?

[azure oriole]

dam i should make a strat called my lawyers advised me not to finish this joke

[sage axle]

I should send an angry letter to id software for removing the crouch button

[young mango]

I know something you don’t

[austere bronze]

he doesn't know...

[sage axle]

How to pronounce rural?

[azure oriole]

i dont really pronounce the rs

[austere bronze]

r-r-u-a

[young mango]

If you’re on pc you can go into the console and do “bind (x) crouch” and it doesn’t require external tools, just access to the console, which you have by default on PC

[young mango]

if you’re a console player you’re SOL unfortunately

[sage axle]

My power grows infinite with this knowledge

[slow spear]

You can crouch in doom eternal

[stiff shadow]

as a non native speaker i pronounce it as ruh-rohl

[sage axle]

The thing that really messes me up is when I need to pronounce something like masks

[stiff shadow]

idk how the fuck do americans make that sound

[sage axle]

The sk with another s at the end

[austere bronze]

idk, just say rural ig

[slow spear]

Now I know what to do with the corpse of that one annoying carcass

[sage axle]

We try to find other ways to say it

Without using the right word

[stiff shadow]

not urban

[sage axle]

You’re now an honorary American

What’s your first language?

[stiff shadow]

please no

[sage axle]

Politics GO

[young mango]

if I recall correctly there’s also a walk bind, so “bind (x) walk” is also possible

[sage axle]

So they kept this stuff from 2016 and just decided not to put it in the base game?

[stiff shadow]

you guys gonna start annoying me with that one joke but it's hungarian

[young mango]

basically just scrapped but not properly scrapped

[sage axle]

Ah nice. Is that a language descended from latin?

[stiff shadow]

i meant the hungry joke

[sage axle]

Oh no I was actually asking

[stiff shadow]

the fuck

it's a uralic language

[sage axle]

Alr

[stiff shadow]

i also speak german because i live in austria

[sage axle]

Ah nice

I know Spanish, and some German and Italian

[stiff shadow]

süd-tirol ist nicht italien 🇦🇹 🇦🇹

[sage axle]

So not all Americans exclusively speak and English and hate people who don’t

[sage axle]

I should rephrase, I know very, very little German

[stiff shadow]

idk how you see it but i see hungarian as my first language, my parents are hungarian, i was born here in austria so i had to learn german but i consider hungarian as my first one

[stiff shadow]

it means south tyrol is not italy

[sage axle]

That makes sense to me. I have an Indian friend who speaks Hindi and Kashmiri, and would probably consider Hindi his first language despite being born in America

[sage axle]

I could understand that, but I definitely don’t know enough to have a proper conversation

[stiff shadow]

i like to hold a conversation in english instead of german

i hate german and i hated learning it

[sage axle]

I’ve heard it’s not fun

[stiff shadow]

i always liked english more and its sounds much better

[slow spear]

62.6 hours in 3 weeks Im washed bro
Havent played a game this much since TF2

[sage axle]

Give me a Red Bull and some dedication I could get that in one sleep cycle

Wait THREE weeks

I probably clock that in one

[shell fox]

South Tyrol is not Italian?

[stiff shadow]

it is but some austrians want it back

[shell fox]

I was just guessing what you said and translating it to english

[stiff shadow]

oh ok

yeah its correct

[shell fox]

Yeah

Ion know german at all, the languages are just similar enough to kinda guess

[stiff shadow]

the words are kinda similar (is=ist, when=wann, then=dann, etc.) but the grammar and basically everything else is just a headache

[shell fox]

Yeah

German looks like extra complex english to me

Which makes sense

[stiff shadow]

it was a headache to me as someone who speaks hungarian as his first language

[shell fox]

my first language is Spanish

[stiff shadow]

for english speakers or who learnt english first it might be less confusing

[shell fox]

yeah I can imagine

Yeah english is just a heavily latinized germanic language afterall

Dutch is kinda the most intelligible for me

[stiff shadow]

but unfortunately i had to learn it first

[stiff shadow]

they sound like a german with a sore throat

[shell fox]

yeah

drunk german

but written it looks the most similar to english

[stiff shadow]

that khhhr sound i can never pronounce

[shell fox]

Aside from frisian

I've thought about learning german before but im kinda lazy

[upbeat meadow]

Hello

[shell fox]

hi

[stiff shadow]

hello

[stiff shadow]

it's not a crazy hard language to learn but it is more confusing than english

like i learnt english in maybe 1.5 years

but in german i still mess up sometimes

[shell fox]

Did you study English?

[stiff shadow]

yeah

[shell fox]

oh cool

how many languages do you know

[stiff shadow]

3

if we count mother tongue

[young mango]

we need more DLC autists in this chat

[shell fox]

I only knoe Spanish and English, maybe I should learn German

[stiff shadow]

whoever moves f-

[shell fox]

No bueno

[stiff shadow]

spanish sounds beautiful to me

[sage axle]

I’ve got at least one of those down

[young mango]

wdym by down

[sage axle]

Mastered

[young mango]

I’ve “mastered” TAG2, and am working on my way for TAG1

[sage axle]

Noted

[young mango]

I learned the speedrun stuff for TAG1 like 4-5 days ago

not gonna lie it’s funner than TAG2, unfortunately

god I love the holt

[sage axle]

First time I’ve ever heard someone mention both dlc’s in one sentence with the first being the superior

[young mango]

I thought TAG1 being better was actually a common consensus

[sage axle]

Oh

Allow me to be uncommon then

[young mango]

I mean uncommon doesn’t mean I don’t see what you mean, I put enough effort into TAG2 to get the world record in the respective category I was playing, which I don’t think I’d be able to do if I didn’t like it

[slow spear]

Both dlcs are good in their own ways IMO

[azure forum]

Agreed, they are great in their own ways

[sage axle]

I love the last mission so much for the second one

Probably my favorite mission in any video game

[glossy warren]

If only we got more combat sections instead of waves

[sage axle]

I mean immora, not the dark lord, but I still like the dark lord

[sage axle]

Doom slayer surfing when?

[clear shell]

hi guys
i'm the poop player

[weak folio]

Wer zuerst umzieht, ist schwul

[barren sonnet]

doom iz cool

[midnight bolt]

My reaction exactly

[azure oriole]

holy shit a blue lobster

[young mango]

This reminds me of the time I had a dream about a blue squirrel

[sage axle]

The last several messages are an absolute fever dream

[azure oriole]

@austere bronze UN run smh

[barren sonnet]

doom is veri cool

[azure oriole]

And you cool too

[sage axle]

Good night everybody

[pale rose]

good night

bye

[crimson garnet]

Doom is very based, its for the cool kids

[shell fox]

I wouldn't call myself cool

[jade helm]

Dreadknight is best demon

[midnight sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-doom-slayer-doomguy-lunar-party-dance-gif-27238260

[azure oriole]

God I need that skin

[lucid siren]

Pretty much.

[long orbit]

I’m so sorry to say, but I have it😏

[icy yoke]

I feel the same about the Power Armour

[azure oriole]

holy shit is that the guy from fornite??

[austere bronze]

No, it's the fortnite from the guy

[serene plover]

[ivory bay]

pleas masta levels id its not too late

[gusty grove]

No not again

[austere bronze]

Would be fire, but the chances of it happening is extremely low

[ivory bay]

somehow doom super smash happened before we got slightly harder campaign level

the dark timeline

[midnight sparrow]

Not what again?

[gusty grove]

The doom guy emoting i already saw it cause of my friend

[midnight sparrow]

And you’ll see it again and like it 😡

[gusty grove]

Ok

[wild nova]

The fortress of doom level is pretty easy

[gusty grove]

Facts

[wild nova]

Honestly I can beat it without dieing

I think anybody can

[austere bronze]

It's literally just a bit of fodder

And it's not a level

[wild nova]

I'm talking about the second part

Of the mission

[austere bronze]

Do you mean doom hunter base?

[sour thorn]

Usually play on hurt me plenty but gonna do a play through on ultra nightmare. Wish me luck.

[jolly kernel]

anyone here finds this to be the most bullshit type of attack in the game?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/216692479531941889/1265325621396111482/energywave.mp4?ex=66a119d0&is=669fc850&hm=a799a1ea60bc2881882b65d6948f35a8d30b7fac25734534ff16e79f5b111217&

[azure oriole]

Doesn't this also hit you in the air? Lmao

[dry yacht]

why do you think i kill em on sight?

[frank drum]

any attack that push you is

carcass is a pain at close

[royal arch]

what if we can use demons as weapons

[dry yacht]

2016 imp best weapon

[royal arch]

like, what if you pick up an imp and start swinging it around

[royal arch]

real

even better: what if i used a cyberdemon as a weapon

[weak folio]

Update: I did not beat the ML of SGN

In case you were wondering

Gonna try again later

[sage axle]

Tried that once. Blew up a laptop

In other news good morning everybody

[sage axle]

I wasn’t but now I hope you do

[weak folio]

Thanks bro

I'm trying it on classic mode instead kf the normal one

It's not going to well

[royal arch]

gl, i personally hate the part with the 2 tyrants and doom hunter, and the 2 marauders part

[weak folio]

I can't get past the second encounter

[dry yacht]

i love the 2 tyrant doom hunter room lol

such a fun room

[sage axle]

@austere bronze I know you’re not a huge fan of them but how do you normally deal with marauders

[frank drum]

easily the nastiest room on the level

[dry yacht]

wym, he loves marauders, have you seen his search history?

[royal arch]

nah
the 2 marauders room is worse

[sage axle]

A man’s search history is his own business

[weak folio]

If a mauradee had a nose he would look cooler hear me out on the one

[wild nova]

Facts

[weak folio]

He has that mouth covering and there's a spot made to rest on his nose and it just... doesnt

[sage axle]

If doom slayer could dual wield super shotguns

[weak folio]

I wish doom guy just like had a sword
Not like the crucible
Just a metal greatsword

[sage axle]

I’ve been saying that for years

It looks like we’re getting something similar in tda

[weak folio]

Thank god

[sage axle]

But tbh I doubt itll be as good as eternal given what we’ve seen and what Hugo’s said

[weak folio]

Like just imagine, a sword as tall ad him, a good foot wide, and doomguy just swinging that bitch around cleaving through mancubi

[sage axle]

Nah I want an axe in one hand, a sword in the other, and a shotgun in his teeth

[weak folio]

AN AXE????!
YES
it'd be giving Kratos tho

[frank drum]

would be one similarto marauder one

[austere bronze]

Pb+ssg+pb+ssg, ballista near their feet for another falter, pb+ssg, wait a little, ballista near their feet and and then pb+ssg

[austere bronze]

We don't talk about that😭

I hate how they work in the game
Can't say the same for their design...

[weak folio]

The look cool

If they were like alive the would be lowkey fuckable

[dry yacht]

brother they ARE fuckable fym

[austere bronze]

Frr
Ross, you are officially really based

[dry yacht]

thank you m1, you too are based

[austere bronze]

Much appreciated

[weak folio]

They too pale and DONT HAVE A NOSE

[soft tinsel]

Im thinking abiut trying ultra-nightmare mode, any tips?

[weak folio]

Don't die

[dry yacht]

get flame hook as fast as possible

and basically spam it for armour

[weak folio]

Dash is your friend

[dry yacht]

lock on burst to one shot most heavies

[austere bronze]

Air control, and then just dodge everything

[weak folio]

Micromissiles suck ass in higher tiers, except against bosses

[frank drum]

*dazed and confused

[sage axle]

Do you have enough time to swap four times in one stagger? Also can you falter with ballista splash damage?

[sage axle]

Throwback to 2016 when missiles were one of the best and the tactical scope was the worst mod in either game

[weak folio]

Yeah... tragic

[sage axle]

The micro missiles low key aren’t even bad, you just don’t have any damage without quick slapping

[austere bronze]

With pb and ssg you have enough time, and yes, you can falter with ballista splash damage

[sage axle]

Thank you very much

[austere bronze]

Np

[weak folio]

I was fighting the Kahn maykr with micro missiles and they shredded through her, and then with like a mancubus it did barely anything it doesn't make any sense

[ivory bay]

i think they do extra air damage

[sage axle]

I think I heard someone say that khan maykr dies in one shot to the ssg

Micro missiles for early game aren’t bad

[weak folio]

True but they fall I think

[sage axle]

They can rip through groups of fodder but sticky bombs are still probably better

[sage axle]

Yeah mostly because of the focus on quick swapping m

Don’t get me wrong I love quick swapping

[ivory bay]

i like to sweep the screen with them but thats about it

[austere bronze]

No

[ivory bay]

thx

[weak folio]

I never got quick swapping down to a tee, but that's probably because I play console

[austere bronze]

That'd because the mancubus has 3500 HP and the Khan has 3000 HP per phase

And since it's a boss and it has a health bar, it feels like it goes super quick

[sage axle]

On console it’s just annoying because you don’t have a lot of buttons but you can still get work done by setting your weapons to ssg +ballista or pb

[weak folio]

Oh shit

[sage axle]

Who remembers literally infinite missiles in 2016?

[ivory bay]

delicis

[sage axle]

Rich get richer is fair and balanced

[weak folio]

✋️

[sage axle]

Tbh it probably wouldn’t be that good in eternal just bc of how different the games are

[ivory bay]

i wish they wouldve done more builds in eternal

[austere bronze]

Micro missiles deal too little damage in eternal compared to quick switching

[sage axle]

I meant the rune rich get richer in 2016, it gives you infinite ammo so long as you have 75 armor

Mini missiles are a tragic tale

[ivory bay]

infinite suck is still suck was the point

[sage axle]

Rich get richer wasnt just for mini missiles though

Imagine not having to sentinel hammer/chainsaw every ten seconds

Would honestly take some of the fun out of the game tho

[ivory bay]

muh i frames

[sage axle]

If you ever get cornered in this game is that basically a guaranteed death?

[austere bronze]

You can pull up chaingun shield or meathook

[sage axle]

Noted

[serene stone]

Buffed micro missiles shred Mancubi

[serene stone]

Not as fast as like punch swap with blood punches for example, but still

[weak folio]

I'm pretty sure almost every other weapon (other than plasma rifle) is easier

[serene stone]

Against regular micro missiles I guess, but not really over buffed micro missiles.

Punch swaps, quick swaps, blood punches, and LOBs can outclass buffed micro missiles though.

But you can also use buffed micro missiles in combination with punch swaps, quick swaps, and blood punches, so ehh

[royal arch]

what are the best quick switching combos

[frank drum]

i main micromisiles, like way more than pb and dont care about the damage

[wild nova]

Someone wanna play doom eternal together

Battle mode

[fathom sleet]

hi

[sweet sluice]

You'd have better luck asking on #battlemode

[wild nova]

Ok

[north sky]

Man I feel like a complete idiot for not getting that UN run done yet no clue how I keep screwing it up

[sweet sluice]

It's alright man ! Takes times eheh

[sage axle]

Plasma rifle and chain gun with mobile turret

[austere bronze]

pb+rocket, pb+sticky bombs, pb+ssg and pb+ballista

not ordered in any specific way

[shell fox]

This ain't 2016, ur good

[austere bronze]

yea

[clear shell]

almost done with ultra nightmare
(i hate my life)

[austere bronze]

I believe that there's a cooldown on 300ms where you can't even take damage after you took damage the last time, not sure about this at all tho

seems weird since you can take damage from many caco balls

probably not true, I'm just spreading misinformation lol

[clear shell]

i hate that i finished eternal before 2016 because not being able to dash or chainsaw automatically feels so painful

[tacit aspen]

Same, got the first achievement of 2016 (finish the first level) in 2017, and I've finished 2016 only this year while I've played through Eternal so often already

[shell fox]

2016's chainsaw does have the advabtage of basically being a less powerful crucible

So there's that

[clear shell]

plus i'm so used to the order that the eternal weapons come in that i hit 5 expecting to pull out the super shotgun and get a plasma rifle or something

[slow spear]

Change keybinds?

[shell fox]

Playing with the default keybinds on both games is really silly

[slow spear]

In every doom game I play G is always the chaingun for example

[clear shell]

why would we ever need to crouch

[shell fox]

Exploration

[clear shell]

still

[shell fox]

2016's exploration system was more in-depth than eternal's

Eternal's secrets are obvious and extremely easy to find

[tacit aspen]

I like the secrets in 2016 more than in Eternal

[clear shell]

i'm visually inpaired so i can never find any of the secrets without a walkthrough

[ancient night]

although eternal's fast travel at the end of a level is so convenient if you know how to get a secret but can't backtrack by foot

[shell fox]

Crouching became common in the late 90s and doom 3 had it so doom 2016 also did

[shell fox]

Yeah, exploration in 2016 is amazing

[fringe torrent]

Hi Mark

[clear shell]

i wish there was a clairvoyance option to aid people in finding the secrets and upgrades if they have bad vision

[shell fox]

Finding the secret plasma rifle in 2016 feels amazing

[shell fox]

Yo

[tacit aspen]

I still haven't found everything in 2016

[shell fox]

That's a fair request

[fringe torrent]

I don't know if this is just me but 2016's story and artstyle makes it feel like a fresh experience every replay, it's very cinematic

Same for D3

[shell fox]

2016 is very cinematic, yeah

[dry yacht]

also got cutscenes you cant skip.

[shell fox]

A lot of people dislike the Half-Life style storytelling on replays, but I love it

[dry yacht]

i do prefer 2016 as a story

i didnt really like hayden and vega being...divine beings

hayden i can kinda get but vega just felt fuqin random

[clear shell]

i also hope they make it so you can earn the multiplayer rewards by fighting bots when the servers eventually shut down

[shell fox]

I doubt they would ever do that tbh

[fringe torrent]

People shit on Half-Life's storytelling? Those poor bastards.

[dry yacht]

also cuz i actively felt bag for vega, dude seemed to have been enjoying his existence as not god

[shell fox]

Not Half-Life's, but Doom 2016's

[fringe torrent]

I mean, at least the cutscenes in 2016 are actual cutscenes, and not just a camera zooming in on a floating green object

[fringe torrent]

Oh, I see

[shell fox]

Which is kinda similar to half-life's, but somewhat more restrictive

[clear shell]

well i had a hard time trying to find matches when trying to get the achievement for battle mode in eternal so i hope they come up with a way to get the achievements reliabily

[fringe torrent]

I'd be scared to work on a Half-Life game because I'd have no idea what classifies as a HL-style cutscene or not, I mean, BM already fucked up there lol

[dry yacht]

i also prefer 2016s level on an aesthetic basis as an entire game

but prefer eternals levels as their own thing

cant really explain it

[shell fox]

Where did Black Mesa fuck up?

[tacit aspen]

Vega was always just artificial to me, it was weird when he revealed that he was the father. And then Davoth? I just don't like that part of the lore either. Fighting Davoth is equally bad

[fringe torrent]

Load up a new game on Xen, it has a cutscene not from Gordon's POV, shit game, worst game of 2020, worst Half-Life game, Hunt Down the Freeman better, Half-Life: Source better, L game

[shell fox]

Half-Life "cutscenes" are basically just telling the story without ever taking away control from the player, unless absolutely necessary

[dry yacht]

tbh i kinda just didnt care about the lore cuz the gameplay was just too good

i appreciated it, but it was a backdrop to me

[shell fox]

Oh yeah.

[fringe torrent]

Unless Gordon can just see the Nihilanth somehow

[sage axle]

195 bench

The progress towards doom slayer physique is slow

[shell fox]

You mean the one that plays right after Gordon jumps into the lambda portal?

[dry yacht]

are you 7 feet tall? (2.13 m)

[fringe torrent]

Yeah

[sage axle]

If you mean height, I’m like 6’ 3” or 6’ 4”

[shell fox]

The Slayer is not 7 feet tall

[fringe torrent]

The first part of him flying through the portal, or whatever that was, reminds me a lot of DOOM 3's portal cutscenes

[tacit aspen]

6'66"

[shell fox]

Eh, I have never seen someone criticize it, it fits pretty well into Half-Life.

[fringe torrent]

No, 7 feet tall by weight obviously

[fringe torrent]

I know, I was pointing fun at it, I don't actually care about it

[shell fox]

Remember Half-Life 2 Ep2's "heart to heart"

[sage axle]

Well I mean what else on a man’s body can you measure?

[shell fox]

That's even longer than the nihilanth scene in BM

[fringe torrent]

It is by technicality Gordon's POV, doesn't the HL2 intro in itself suggest GMan can warp Gordon's vision

I'm sure he could get him high on that GMan zaza for that one cutscene

[dry yacht]

6 feet 8 inches if we go by technicality

[shell fox]

We don't know how tall he is

[austere bronze]

we do not know his hight if we go by technicality

[fringe torrent]

minor spelling mistake (comedy)

[tacit aspen]

The Slayer is 6 feet and 66 inches

[dry yacht]

than why the fuck is everyone saying he is 7 foot tall?

is this another fucking mass misinformation moment?

[shell fox]

Because of a 2016 life-size statue at id software

[fringe torrent]

Lots of f-bombs there, man

[tacit aspen]

Maybe with the suit he is 7 feet

[fringe torrent]

They put a John Romero for scale

In that one photo with the fucked up DOOM logo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162891400684371968/1260324963043377246/image.png?ex=66a0b4d6&is=669f6356&hm=dcbc04749ed4fcd1c4755300efcee0dbad36b22ccd3e822becf9d539356c2b96&

Look at that logo, man... that is terrible...

[austere bronze]

yes

[dry yacht]

cant have shit on the internet

[austere bronze]

there is lots of it regarding doom lore :/

[austere bronze]

frr

[dry yacht]

why is it always the lore shit that has so much misinformation in it

[fringe torrent]

At some point it feels like some of the lore stuff is misinformation in itself, it gets very tough to understand, which is why I do not care about it in the slightest, I have not read a single codex entry in my life

I do respect the ones who are passionate about it though, like m0no

[shell fox]

The statue is 6'8, but we don't know if he is that tall

He looks tall, but not 6'8 tall to me

[fringe torrent]

Being short is a tactical advantage, good for him

[shell fox]

That's Lebron James height

[sage axle]

Fr tho

[azure oriole]

Doom lores 2 biggest problems are powerscalers twisting shit to make the doomguy seem more powerful and just how vague a lot of it is

[sage axle]

Short people build muscle so much easier

[shell fox]

Damn, if he's short, UAC men are dwarves

[azure oriole]

Fucking crazy to me it can be argued Davoth didn’t even create Jekkad or Urdak with his own power

Like you’d think that would be explicitly confirmed either way literally anywhere

[fringe torrent]

Powerscalers actively ruining the thrill for themselves is the funniest thing ever to me

Would you feel more thrill by risking your life to be a badass, or by just being so OP nothing can touch you, it just gets boring

[azure oriole]

I actually enjoy vague lore in a lot of cases. I like that a lot of Doom is up to interpretation. What sucks is fans acting like their interpretation is correct and then trying to spread it as factual info.

[fringe torrent]

Another big issue is people taking old statements from people who don't even work at id anymore for decades and taking it as 100% accurate even though there have been new writers since

[azure oriole]

Like today I was talking with someone who thought Hugo confirmed the Slayer empowers his weapons, but watching the stream he actually doesn’t

[shell fox]

I doubt the Slayer is being upgraded unless Hugo decides to create a doom bible making the lore less vague and giving good excuses for the lore-gameplay disparity

[azure oriole]

He only addresses the rephrased question of “does he absorb strength from his fallen enemies”

Not “does the slayer permanently amp his weapons after absorbing quad damage”

Erm, don't you understand that I am the sole arbiter of what Hugo means when he says things?

Which would be lore breaking on its own

[shell fox]

Hugo doesn't even know what HE means when he says things

[azure oriole]

Doom Slayer becoming a permanent host of the Ul-Thrax when

[shell fox]

Bro just says shit because it sounds cool 😭

[azure oriole]

For the record fuck Hugo's intentions to begin with regardless of the vagueness of their claims. Authorial intent fucking sucks, and people make random statements the art contradicts all the time.

[fringe torrent]

Wasn't super vague lore popularized around the time of 2016's release? I think it was FNaF or something, theorists hopped on that hype train and so did the devs

[dry yacht]

what the fuck vega what did i even do

[azure oriole]

I’m honestly still split on if the slayer gains amps from the demons he kills or it’s just a nod to resource drops

[dry yacht]

i was writing 1 fucking message

[azure oriole]

Though even if he does it’s unquantifiable

[sick coral]

i downloaded doom eternal on the family pc

[azure oriole]

FNAF popularized that kind of thing but I doubt Doom's usage of it is related at all. They're vague in different ways.

[fringe torrent]

One message with enough repeated letters classifies as spam

[shell fox]

Yeah. Like, Hugo straight up created Davoth's creator whilst playing Doom Eternal.

[azure oriole]

Leaning towards he doesn’t because that would be represented in the story or gameplay in some way

[dry yacht]

thats...thats just kinda weird

[fringe torrent]

The big difference also is the fact that each FNaF game was meant to be the last so the lore just gets stretched unimaginably

[azure oriole]

Doom's lore is vague because the wording is vague. FNAF lore is vague because Cawthon deliberately engineers it to be vague so that theorizing on lore can be used as a selling point for the franchise.

[shell fox]

Nah. Midnight was the one who started the OP slayer myth, and he didn't make any FNAF content.

[fringe torrent]

Mark, man, where did I mention the OP myth, I only said vague lore got hot around that time

[fringe torrent]

Spam doesn't have to be repeated messages to be spam, it can be stupid shit like YOOO over and over again

[shell fox]

Yes, which mostly loops back around to Midnight.

[ivory bay]

people creamed because of the monologues

[shell fox]

Hardly many people were making Doom lore pre-eternal because there wasn't much to go around

[dry yacht]

huh

[shell fox]

Slayer's Testaments

[ivory bay]

2016 the demonic voice monologues there are like 3 "inthefirst age blah blah blah"

[fringe torrent]

I should've made it more clear I didn't mention it to be like "omg doom hopped on the trend!!!", it was more as a fun fact

[dry yacht]

i meant the creaming

i was huhing the creaming.

[fringe torrent]

That sure is a sentence

[ivory bay]

huh the cream

[austere bronze]

Bro what

[ivory bay]

just a turn of phrase to mean they got excited

[serene stone]

Replaying DOOM 2016, and god it's so fucking good still.

Holds up phenomenally. Hasn't aged a day.

I wish in Eternal we could use the Crucible that Hayden steals at the end of 2016 , but we used a different Crucible instead

[fringe torrent]

2016's artstyle is an amazing blend of Classic and 3, probably my favorite

[ivory bay]

i think 2016 benefits from being hell and mars whereas eternal is hell, mars, earth, maykr city, sentinel city

[royal arch]

i personally liked 2016 more but i find eternals gameplay to be more addictive

[fringe torrent]

I think they're both fantastic, I am addicted to basically anything with an id or Valve sticker on it as @azure oriole knows lol, I even got addicted to DOOM 3 not too long ago

[ivory bay]

eternals more balanced but (the dlcs especially) sometimes feels overly juggly whereas 2016 is much more just shooting so its hard to say which is better for me

[austere bronze]

I got addicted to eternal once, then I realised that it's bad and way too slow, D3 is way faster and better

[ivory bay]

ive been on a wolfenstein kick over the last month

hadnt played them before so it was novel

[fringe torrent]

I had the same thing, did the whole reboot trilogy. I had a similiar kick recently where I did Wolf3d, the base SoD and 2009. No intention of doing RtCW though.

[ivory bay]

i was thinking about wolf3d but the nightmares on old blood were enough for me
havent heard much about rtcw

[fringe torrent]

It's great, people shit on its simplicity but it's one of the things that made me dig into it fully

RtCW is fine I suppose, I stated earlier something about it, here: #general message

[azure oriole]

So true

[serene stone]

It's my favorite DOOM overall, especially with SnapMaps and a pretty good multiplayer

[fringe torrent]

Good to see SnapMap love

[serene stone]

I played a recent one called Into the Mortuary that was amazing and used SnapHaks tech, and had a mind-blowing custom boss fight

My favorite SnapMap level pre-SnapHaks technology would have to be City of Dis probably.

[fringe torrent]

SnapHaks?

[serene stone]

A lot of newer SnapMaps use something called SnapHaks.

It's a fan made tool that makes SnapMaps a lot more unrestricted and freeform

[fringe torrent]

I see, sounds interesting

I'd love to use it but I have mentioned 100x times that I'm no longer a PC gamer and yada yada blah blah blah, the usual

[serene stone]

Tbh Resurrection of Evil expansion with Artifact enabled and constant b hops is unironically faster than Eternal

When you get the Artifact more upgraded from boss fights

[austere bronze]

But where is my meathook😢

[azure oriole]

Lost Missions

[serene stone]

Fair point lmao

[azure oriole]

I’m the first to tell you this because no one has played it

[fringe torrent]

Yes, because it's Lost Mission 🤓

[azure oriole]

[fringe torrent]

I cannot for the life of me remember anything Meathooky in TLM though

[azure oriole]

I’m trolling

[serene stone]

I have. It's fun. Like a "best of all hits" from DOOM 3.

There's nothing like a Artifact or Soul Cube in it however

[azure oriole]

Sorry

[fringe torrent]

There is a Soul Cube

Only on NM though

[fringe torrent]

You are forgiven

[serene stone]

Wait what? On Lost Mission?

[fringe torrent]

Yeah, silly, how do you think you'd otherwise get health if not for the health station, it'd be impossible

[serene stone]

Idk. I thought Lost Mission was seen as extra hard compared to the other two on Nightmare lol

[fringe torrent]

Lost Mission is like an hour and a half, even if it's tougher difficulty-wise the length makes it easier to get through anyway

[serene stone]

Well yeah I also thought the short length would justify the decision to exclude a soul Cube I guess

But I should try both on Nightmare sometime

I think on RoE Nightmare you also get the Artifact instantly?

[fringe torrent]

Soul Cubeless it'd be impossible

[fringe torrent]

Yeah, plus all powers I believe

Did you ever realise the 3 in the DOOM 3 logo is positioned that way because it's DOOM cubed? Like the Soul Cube? And because 3D?

[serene stone]

Holy fuck.

Aighte I got to play RoE on Nightmare then

That sounds omega based

[serene stone]

Yeah Doom 3 cubed because it was supposed to be a remake of the original DOOM basically

[fringe torrent]

Powerscalers should play RoE

[fringe torrent]

DOOM 3 cubed would be DOOM 3 3 🤓

Not necessarily a remake, more of a reimagining, even the description for a lot of storefronts states it's a reimagining

[serene stone]

Artifact dude is so unbelievably broken.

Puts the Slayer to shame

[serene stone]

🤓

[fringe torrent]

I once saw a RoE review that was like "The Marine in RoE looks just like the DOOM 3 Marine" which is stupid considering they literally aren't alike at all

3 Marine and RoE Marine are both goated in their own ways though

[serene stone]

I'd say the Lost Mission marine is more similar looking

[serene stone]

For real though....based

[fringe torrent]

All jokes aside TLM Marine has some balls of steel too, his whole team got wiped out and he just got up and killed everyone anyway

[serene stone]

And he isn't supposed to have a Soul Cube or Artifact, atleast on non-Nightmare difficulty

He has gotta be the best "regular" human in DOOM besides Doomguy pre-Divinity Machine

[fringe torrent]

You could argue he's even more than DOOMGuy since TLM has no power-ups I believe

[azure oriole]

Honestly I don’t get why they used an entirely new character

Just pull a doom 64 and have the marine “volunteer” to lead the expedition back

[fringe torrent]

Classic DOOM Guy would mess up the continuity, he was already used in DOOM 3, plus they already had a DOOM 4 in development by then

[azure oriole]

I mean playing as the doom marine that you play as in the main campaign

[fringe torrent]

TLM takes place at the same time as the events of D3, no way that'd be possible

[azure oriole]

I’m referring to RoE

[fringe torrent]

Even if they moved the timeline forward or backward the Marine would probably be too traumatised to want to return for either campaign

[fringe torrent]

RoE isn't the main campaign, should specify a bit more

[azure oriole]

I know

[serene stone]

True. Even the Megawads generally have a shitton of Megaspheres and invulnerabilities

[fringe torrent]

Okay, wait, I see what you meant, we were discussing TLM so I assumed you were referring to the events of TLM, my bad

[azure oriole]

I was saying they should have brought back the marine from the main campaign for RoE

Yeah

[fringe torrent]

As I said though, he'd be too traumatised to want to return, I think even the DOOM Slayer was breaking up a bit during the events of 64, not sure if that's a headcanon I read somewhere or canon but it certainly adds to the horror atmosphere

[azure oriole]

I know there’s the excuse that he would be extremely traumatized and mentally disturbed but this also applied to the Doom 64 marine

[serene stone]

I thought he died at the end of the main campaign.

Could be remembering wrong though

[azure oriole]

Personally I think it could be justified by having that trauma manifest in not being able to acclimate to regular life again and instead he just wants to kill demons

[fringe torrent]

I mean, I'm sure the DOOM 3 Marine also figured he had no reason to come back as there were other Marines there already, he'd probably also be aware of the TLM guy surviving

[fringe torrent]

No, Swann died from his injuries, Marine survived

[azure oriole]

Yeah the Marine was the only survivor

[fringe torrent]

And the TLM guy alongside a few of the scientists and other guys from TLM

[azure oriole]

Rip to all those workers and scientists you find

[fringe torrent]

Either that was a retcon or they just got away sneakily enough

[azure oriole]

I thought it was confirmed all those other scientists died

[serene stone]

Marine helping Slayer would be the dopest shit

Imagine if they shared the Soul Cube

[azure oriole]

I’ll look at the wiki rq

[fringe torrent]

TLM was the last bit of official DOOM 3 content so no

[fringe torrent]

Kiryu, I have some dope ass news for you

[azure oriole]

Slayer using the cube and artifact would be busted

[serene stone]

Imagine if Hugo Martin pulls a plot twist out of his ass that the Lost Mission marine is the Slayer himself lol

[fringe torrent]

It's not exactly canon, but I am 99% sure that the other Marine from DOOM 3 Xbox's Co-Op mode is the Slayer

[serene stone]

Imagine Artifact with Siege mode

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730631585485029406/1265420360661078106/IMG_6763.png?ex=66a1720c&is=66a0208c&hm=0c359e7f3c5b3caa711aca425288f1dbea77472d5bdfba0a32690a0cbcb09bbd&

Seems like TLM is non-canon

[fringe torrent]

RoE was 2005, TLM was 2012, I really think it was just a retcon or they just didn't bother to make it fit into the story

[azure oriole]

Yeah so it’s likely just non-canon

What if kind of scenario

[serene stone]

I suppose you could ask Hugo Martin about it on Facebook or the next time he does a stream

[fringe torrent]

It is also heavily possible the UAC just never knew they escaped, I still stand by it being a retcon though DOOM 3 lore is wonky so I can see it being an opinion kind of thing

[fringe torrent]

Can't be bothered to, I also heard he throws random responses that don't even make sense a lot of the time

[azure oriole]

Average Hugo statement

[young mango]

yeah Hugo Martin just makes stuff up if it sounds cool

[serene stone]

Artifact with double shot Destroyer Blade tech

Holy

[fringe torrent]

Say hi everyone, you're on TV

[azure oriole]

Doom 3 Cyberdemon is slept on too

Most powerful cyberdemon in the series?

[young mango]

“Hey Hugo is it true that doomguy has lazer eyes?”
“shiiiit I never thought about that… that’s cool as fuckk, yeah that’s canon”

[fringe torrent]

Probably because he is also slept on by the game, nothing acknowledges he'd show up before he does from what I thought

[azure oriole]

I haven’t gotten to the boss fight with him yet but so far yeah there’s no foreshadowing

[serene stone]

I always thought the 2016 one was, but idk

[azure oriole]

Seems like it’s physically stronger and faster, 3 Cyberdemon is more durable

[fringe torrent]

It's kind of a nitpick I have with 2016, them revealing you'll show off with the Cyberdemon way before it happens kind of ruins it for me, it'd be cool if at the cutscene where the Cyberdemon opens the door Samuel would say "You'll be going off against Subject [random shit]... also known as the Cyberdemon" before the door gets ripped open

[azure oriole]

It’s invulnerable to anything that isn’t the soul cube

Even the BFG does nothing to it

[tacit aspen]

I love the Cyberdemon cutscene. Just so cool

[fringe torrent]

For 3 or 2016?

[tacit aspen]

2016. Haven't played 3 that far yet

Also like the cutscene between both phases of the fight, where it looks like he'd wipe away some blood from his mouth

[dry yacht]

It’s more about the random ass lore tablet that immediately shows how the cyberdemon looks like

why, why did you make it do that

[tacit aspen]

To hype up the player? Make him look forward to the fight?

It worked for me

[fringe torrent]

I'm pretty sure it'd work better if it was sudden, people lost their shit at NWH because the most important parts weren't talked about officially

Especially the way Samuel could introduce him like I said would be a lot better than "oh yeah, he's back lol, take care of him or something"

[tacit aspen]

Nobody is forced to read the codex though

[fringe torrent]

Samuel literally mentions him at the tablet part even if you skip the codexes

[dry yacht]

Well his picture pops up when you pick it up

[tacit aspen]

I never really listen to Sam lol. He talks way too much

[fringe torrent]

The issue is that you don't have to read the codex but to avoid Sam talking you have to cut out voice lines entirely which fucks with the plot

[tacit aspen]

Part of what annoys me about the Nekravol level in Eternal too

[fringe torrent]

The Cyberdemon could've been hyped up a lot better in 2016, they didn't do bad with it and I just fanboy all over id all the time so I can't be mad at them but it really is not the best they could do

[dry yacht]

Spider mastermind was pretty hyped up tho

[fringe torrent]

Yeah, that I think was handled great

[tacit aspen]

Well there's hoping for Dark Ages

[fringe torrent]

I wonder if TDA will continue the Cyberdemon trend?

[dry yacht]

I mean no way it doesn’t right?

[fringe torrent]

Yeah, but like, boss enemy, casual enemy, what else can they bring to the table?

[dry yacht]

They’ll prolly change him up to be more rocket and melee focused probably

[tacit aspen]

I think the tech of changing demons is modern, Dark Ages is before 2016 so my guess is no

[dry yacht]

An enemy that respawns and hunts you in the level I dunno

[fringe torrent]

Dark Ages is also after Classic DOOM... which houses like, 7 Cyberdemons by itself

[tacit aspen]

Heh. True

[dry yacht]

The dragon in dark ages literally has machine wings

[tacit aspen]

I would love to see the Cyberdemon before it was altered

[azure oriole]

An unaltered Baalgar demon has been highly requested

[tacit aspen]

Both hands, both legs

[azure oriole]

Could see it happening

[dry yacht]

Also it could be hell machinery, Mancubus and arachnotrons have a different style of tech on em

[tacit aspen]

Imagine an Arachnoton without the technology, no legs, big brains, maybe that was what people were thinking is the caco in the trailer. Those floating things

[fringe torrent]

I'm pretty sure if Arachnotrons could float they'd much rather do that than walk

[dry yacht]

It’s prolly a new demon, you would think since they now have no limit on the amount of demons on field they will make more of em

[fringe torrent]

I hope they bring back some of the DOOM 3 demons, this is a perfect time for it

[azure oriole]

They’d just be immobile brains

[tacit aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183398655789649962/1265426948234940557/20240723_235451.jpg?ex=66a1782e&is=66a026ae&hm=fdfdc726b9b886ae1c0542793b1123911fd4db01ba2c6376486180381e6a38a3&

Those floating things.

[fringe torrent]

The weak and fragile limbs could make sense with the Arachnotron but I really do not believe it's floating. Maybe it's hanged or something?

[azure oriole]

Isn’t that an Arachnotron in the pic lol?

On the bottom left

[fringe torrent]

Yeah, Duzloo said that the floating thing may be an Arachnotron without the mechanical parts. Wouldn't that just be an... Arachno?

[azure oriole]

Doubt the floating thing is an Arachnotron then

[tacit aspen]

The creature in the background might be an Arachnoton without technology, no legs, that's what I meant

[azure oriole]

It’s likely something else

Would be weird to have normal arachnotrons and then include a tech-less version

I can’t tell if that’s meant to be a brain or not either

[fringe torrent]

The DOOM 64 Cacos had arms too, don't forget that

[tacit aspen]

It's blurry enough to stay vague, lol

[dry yacht]

Doom 64 cacos were pain elementals lol

[fringe torrent]

Explain why they aren't then!

[dry yacht]

Mother demon did a little bit of trolling

[fringe torrent]

I think that they look so fucky over the radiation, I think it's also because they were rotting corpses, but I also like to think the Slayer's vision of them is a bit twisted as he's probably mentally messed up during 64

[azure oriole]

Made these goofy little guys into cursed abominations

[dry yacht]

Honestly more demon subspecies would be cool

[azure oriole]

Love those goobers

I hate what they do, but like how they look

[tacit aspen]

Pain Elementals are one of my favorite designs

[azure oriole]

64 they also look cool

[tacit aspen]

But then I love the Archie too.

[fringe torrent]

They also work very cool IMO, a very unique idea.

[tacit aspen]

Imagine an Archviloton. Or a Cyberarchie

[dry yacht]

Actually now that I remember cacos still have arms

They just really small

[tacit aspen]

They do, just rudimental

[fringe torrent]

64 ones are kind of more important to mention though as TDA is AFTER 64

I do think it's possible the TDA demons are just the 64 fucked up demons that survived for way longer than they should've and started breeding and being a hugely populated breed of demon

[serene stone]

64 Cacos looked like Pain Elemental

[dry yacht]

Documentary channel about demon biology

“Here we have a resurrected cacodemon…”

[fringe torrent]

I wanted to do a shitty National Geographic and Demon pun but the only thing I could come up with was National Demographic

[tacit aspen]

I'd watch that

[fringe torrent]

No, knowing NGeo it'd have lots of... graphic scenes

[dry yacht]

“Holy shit what is that imp doing”

[fringe torrent]

Made funnier considering D64 Imps have assholes

[tacit aspen]

Here the caco feeds its breed with freshly caught human prey.., or what

[dry yacht]

WHAT

[tacit aspen]

Cacos do too

[fringe torrent]

You heard me

[dry yacht]

Do not the imp

[surreal oriole]

i just platinumed eternal

[dry yacht]

Nice

[north leaf]

Beat doom eternal today 😄

[sage axle]

That implies you’ve only done it once

[north leaf]

Yes I just got the game a bit ago

[sage axle]

You must play it 18 more times

[young mango]

must play TAG2 7000 times

[sage axle]

On run 6574 rn

[young mango]

I pressed the reset mission button at least that many times

that’s my speedrun attempt counter

I think I’m done trying to get WRs and shit, that’s a lot of effort that I don’t have

[north leaf]

🫡

[azure oriole]

Great. Now do it without dying

[young mango]

g_damageScaleAitoSlayer 0😛

[azure oriole]

[north leaf]

I will try my best

[young mango]

crazy how the only part of vanilla content that isn’t optimal to speedrun on ITYTD is TAG2 and its corresponding master level because the lack of tokens fuck with enemy behavior too much

[serene stone]

Might have asked this before but what do you think of TAG 2 when you play it casually or atleast in a non-speedrunny way

[young mango]

honestly everything feels the same to me when on that level, just something to stroll through casually, but either way I am soo sick of TAG2 now that i grinded it to death

I honestly never bothered all too much with the DLCs in a casual manner

honestly me getting into TAG2 was just a shoot-off of on earlier decision, I had originally done it on 100% UN, because I had never speedran before so using an already slow category was good at masking that, and the fact that TAG2 was the easiest out of the 3 to UN, since I was marginally less experienced, then it devolved into me doing any% UN for a bit, doing a single classic run, basically ditching speedrunning entirely for like half a year, jumping back in, and continuing until now

[serene stone]

Always interesting how something small can grow and become something grand like that.

Anyway yeah I hear ya.

Now you're rocking TAG 1 speedruns quite well.

[young mango]

yeah I just started with TAG1 less than a week ago, it gave me a great idea to do a video where both are in the same video, the concept is cooler than the video itself

I would include my campaign speedrun but that’s not on the same level as those and that’s just way too much

[crimson garnet]

Man do I live Do(o)minic of the Demons 2.

[devout pollen]

Can someone help me with doom mods? or am I not allowed to talk about that

[fringe torrent]

There are three channels for it, no you can't

[storm eagle]

yeah u can message me

[devout pollen]

sorry

[fringe torrent]

Nah man, it's alright, just look through all channels first next time

[devout pollen]

yeah ofc

[rare thicket]

After 4 years I beat ultra nightmare for the first time

and I am proud of myself for that

[young mango]

congrats

[azure oriole]

I remember my first time beating UN

Having to use saving throw exploit because Im a fucking loser

[young mango]

I did that as well, I’ve beaten it legitimately several times since then however

[sage axle]

Just turned on dark mode

Makes a world of difference

Anywho, good night everybody

[dense warren]

hello who has doom 2016 on steam

???

[plucky lichen]

I do 😄

But i dont have it downloaded

[azure oriole]

#doom-2016

Don’t wanna be that guy but yea

[dense warren]

can you help me

???

[plucky lichen]

What problém do u have?

Anyways type in my dms

So we dont spam this server

[dense warren]

the multiplayer is dead and i need complete the 27 challenges

oh sorry

i only want help

[plucky lichen]

I can't help with this im sorry

[dense warren]

and i havent read the rules

[dense warren]

thanks

[plucky lichen]

As i Said i dont have it downloaded

But if i could i would

[dense warren]

tanks

f

[barren sonnet]

i think

doom is cool

😎

[plucky lichen]

Real

[storm eagle]

Hello chyat

[flint flame]

You don’t need to

You can just play another game instead

[azure oriole]

obligatory mp achievements

[shell fox]

Hello

[storm eagle]

Hi, Mark!

[ivory bay]

r u on steam

[shell fox]

How are you

[storm eagle]

Good. Ate a lot of Taco Bell and bullied some ai in Eternal. Going to bed soon...how're you?

[shell fox]

I'm okay

Could be doing better

[peak hornet]

хай

[winter skiff]

Fellow Slayers, do y'all have an idea as to where I could find the doom eternal ost? Can't find it anywhere. Tried spotify yt bandcamp

The OST for Doom 2016 was on Spotify and YT. But I can't find Eternal's OSTs. Like, even if I do find the Eternal OSTs, they aren't specifically there on Mick Gordon's account on Spotify.

[half lotus]

I can usually find them on subreddits

[winter skiff]

Lemme try Reddit then

[shell fox]

They're not on any streaming app

You will have to listen to mixes on youtube

[winter skiff]

How eye-opening that is

[winter skiff]

So it is what it is huh. Well, thnx

[fringe torrent]

It's a long story, a VERY long one

[shell fox]

The mixes on youtube are usually better than the official ones anyway

[winter skiff]

Lol why

[fringe torrent]

YouTube guys have more free time to do it, I'd assume

And more time to do it in general

[shell fox]

Mick didn't mix the main campaign OSTs, some other guy who wasn't very good at it did it.

[half lotus]

Hello anomeq 🤗

[fringe torrent]

Hi

[shell fox]

As for TAG 1 and 2, I'm pretty sure we never got an official mix of those.

[winter skiff]

Alright

[fringe torrent]

My favorite bit of TAG 1 music is a video that loops the Blood Swamps Heavy Fighting intro for an hour

The Samur theme is amazing too, I turned down all other audio except music to hear it better

[half lotus]

Shame it’s definitely some of the best video game music especially TAG 1

[fringe torrent]

Crazy...

[austere bronze]

I was shit at the game back then, alright?😭

I either basically didn't use the meathook back then or I had just started using it

so, what I said there doesn't count!!

[fringe torrent]

I still don't use DBlade

[dry yacht]

i started using it more in master levels

theres a lot of hordes of heavies and fodder

[austere bronze]

that's not very based of you

it's quite fun to use tbh

[dry yacht]

that one part that spawns 4 cacos and 3 whiplashes on taras nabad ML is the perfect time to use it

[fringe torrent]

I just do not play Eternal much nowadays, if I get back to it I'll start using it though

[austere bronze]

what part is that

the only caco spam I remember is in the arena right after the divinity machine room

[dry yacht]

well its two different parts

[dry yacht]

that

[austere bronze]

ah alright

[dry yacht]

prior to the divinity room theres also the room with the 3 spectral whiplashes

[terse geyser]

Isn't there a caco spam after getting BFG 10k?

It's where most people would shoot the BFG cause there's ammo for it in the middle

[austere bronze]

oh, I thought you meant that they cam at the same time

[austere bronze]

yes, but that isn't in the taras nabad master level

that's in the mars core/mars core master level

[terse geyser]

Mb I never tried master levels I did once and it was Gore nest

[serene stone]

I uninstalled it recently Lmfao

[fringe torrent]

I keep all my games on standby

[eternal halo]

I farmed that checkpoint for dblade mastery

[harsh pilot]

Aw man

You're missing out

[hollow flume]

Hi can i ask for tips on how to defeat a marauder if there's two of them

[austere bronze]

you can do it slow and steady by just running away, wait for 1 marauder to run at you, shoot him until the other one shows up and then leave, or you could do the same but not leave when the other one shows up

if you want you can also use splash damage, but that isn't really effective

[hollow flume]

Ohh . Okay it's kinda hard to run away since it's in a toxic place . But I'll try
Thanks for the advice

[slow sigil]

Theres a single spot where there's no poison, all the way at the door in the end

Otherwise, it only damages you if you touch it so keep jumping and it becomes just a minor nuance

[peak badger]

Good morning

[light ore]

Hello, I am new here

If talking about eternal

Nightmare mode on eternal is easier than 2016 in my opinion

Still an amazing game though

[austere bronze]

yea, D2016 nightmare was also a bit unbalanced

[austere bronze]

use meathook to move around and kill fodder with for free armor, and if you jump early enough upon touching the poison you wont take damage

[azure oriole]

c'mon 5 hp per gk when you're above 90 hp was crazy

and the lack of dashes made imps super dangerous

[austere bronze]

the lack of meathook is heartbraking

[hollow flume]

Yeah i tried to move on that spot then leave when i hit them and return when they follow . Kinda hard to move then hit on a switch and moving the camera too.

[hollow flume]

Yeah if I'm fast enough to think . I'm kinda new to the game so i have zero skills

[azure oriole]

How different is Eternal from 2016?

[slow sigil]

Different enough that you shouldn't expect it to be just the same game with a lil upgrades

[azure oriole]

Fun :) time to get my ass kicked on Nightmare again :)

[austere bronze]

if you're so new, why are you playing the super gore nest master level?

I would recommend you to start with the arc complex master level since it's the easiest

[hollow flume]

Not like super new . But new enough to have no skills yet .

Ohh okay i thought the super gore one is the easiest

[serene stone]

Personally I liked it, as you still got a decent amount of health on kills when low on health, it just wasn't the absurd ridiculous health pools you could create in Eternal.

[azure oriole]

you'll have a different opinion on a UN run

[weak folio]

Chat i was playing the ML of SGN on Classic and I was in the level with the two archiviles, and I wanted to get rid of them as soon as possible, so I launched a BFG and a tyrant jumped in the way and TANKED IT so that they didn't die

[serene stone]

I liked that. Demons felt more threatening and tense without dash spam or air mobility abuse

They also felt big and imposing due to being relatively grounded all the time, so you felt even more badass when you overcame those odds from a thematic standpoint.

I felt 2016 was more strafe skill and fakeout oriented which I preferred and thought it was more organic.

[serene stone]

SW3 has a grappling hook. 🙂

[austere bronze]

But does it have doom and eternal in its name? Yeah, that's what I thought

[serene stone]

They mention the BFG.

Checkmate

[ivory bay]

but ssg n gauss cannon crutch

not to mention the balancedtm runes

[azure oriole]

which is why dark ages is a more grounded combat

[serene stone]

Sounds like a normal DOOM thing

[weak folio]

Fucken rage enduring tho

*enducing

[ivory bay]

one more try

for the spelling that is

[serene stone]

Though in classic Doom that's actually useful lol

[serene stone]

Very very different, but similar basic skeleton and similar fundamentals.

[azure oriole]

Hmm

[ivory bay]

eternal fights are more about using the correct weapon than 2016's

[serene stone]

But you can obliterate things with quick swap combos and tech skill in both games.

[azure oriole]

Quick swap?

[azure oriole]

So I can't just use whatever weapon I want

[austere bronze]

You basically can

Doesn't matter that much what weapon you use

[azure oriole]

It's just harder?

Or makes each weapon more situational

[austere bronze]

But then different mods are wildly differently good

[serene stone]

It's not really much different from 2016 in this regard.

But DLC enemies and Marauders are kinda hyper specific

[ivory bay]

ammo cap is way lower so if you mismanage chainsaw you will run out of ammo

otherwise its sameish

[austere bronze]

It's super easy to manage ammo

Just chainsaw every once in a while

And just switch between weapons a bit

[ivory bay]

yea but 2016 you literally just needed ssg and whatever the ballista was called

doing that gets you to no ammo town in eternal

unless you play with a modicum of gud

[serene stone]

You can still spam that in Eternal.

[ivory bay]

ok

[serene stone]

Chainsaw recharges every 20 seconds.

That's enough to spam Ballista+SSG, then chainsaw, then rinse and repeat

[ivory bay]

if youthrow in rockets or pr every now and then sure

otherwise you will deplete them faster than chainsaw

it does not drop 20 sconds of quickswapping ssg and ballista

[austere bronze]

You can do the same in eternal

[ivory bay]

im making it sound worse than it really is but thats the main difference between thegames

ammo management

[serene stone]

Why would you and how often would you shoot Ballista+SSG for 20 seconds straight without any breaks?

[ivory bay]

ok

[fringe torrent]

Another big difference is Eternal allows for way more traversal options, keep that in mind

[ivory bay]

yea i was gonna say something about meathook n dash to

[fringe torrent]

You just have two charges on standby of the same distance you'd need a rune to glory kill from that far away in 2016

Also hi Kiryu

[serene stone]

Hello.

Also hi M1

[austere bronze]

hi Kiryu

Also hi AnomeQ

[fringe torrent]

Kiryu, after 3 days straight of doing this, I finally got one way or another of controller support in 107 out of 111 games on Steam I have (the other 4 are impossible to do it on), did I win (also hi M1)

[ivory bay]

pc?

[fringe torrent]

Uh-huh, yeah, controller support is a guarantee on console

[ivory bay]

well i was wondering if you were a deck gamer

[fringe torrent]

I could never see myself with a deck, had a dream once Gaben sent me one though and my sister painted it blue so I called up scooby-doo and he ran her over with a tractor in a skatepark. I do not hate my sister

[ivory bay]

ive never dreamed about my deck or gaben
your dreams seem fun though

[fringe torrent]

Gaben lost weight not too long ago btw

[ivory bay]

lets go

gabethin

[serene stone]

Nice. What are the four

[fringe torrent]

Codename Gordon. Reason for impossible: No Steam overlay support, Steam Input requires the overlay
Rayman Jungle Run, Fiesta Run, and Plague Inc. (original versions): UWP games, Steam Input doesn't work on them

[ivory bay]

per a thred from 7 years ago if you get your hands on a steam controller you can get plague inc crossed off the list

[fringe torrent]

I'm confident you are talking about Plague Inc. Evolved, Steam Controller I am pretty sure runs on Steam Input so it'd still be impossible

[ivory bay]

thats what the dev said i can send u the thread

[fringe torrent]

Go ahead

@ivory bay As I said, that is Plague Inc. Evolved, not Plague Inc.

[ivory bay]

tbh i didnt know those were different my bad

[fringe torrent]

It's alright

[frank drum]

so ammo management is actually no a thing huh? do you guys think if the cooldown were larger it would be a little different? i was using a mod that expands cooldown from 20 to 45 secs

[azure oriole]

It Is a thing

Just don't use the hammer

[slow sigil]

Cooldown won't actually make ammo management more relative though?

[frank drum]

but you can easily bypassing it chainsawing whatever every 20 seconds

[slow sigil]

That just means you gotta sit around and wait more once you used your optimal combos

[austere bronze]

it depends on how you look at it, you don't need to manage ammo at all, but you want to do it in order to minimize chainsaw usage

[frank drum]

also the chainsaw only restack a part of your max ammo, i think this critical

[austere bronze]

it restacks 50% of it, and for the rocket launcher it's rounded down to 6 rockets that you get back

[frank drum]

you get back like 16 shells too

[signal summit]

Is Horde mode online

[austere bronze]

oh yea, you actually get 15 shells

[frank drum]

i really like the chainsaw loop, i like to think when is the moment to use it, after using a part of every ammo type to get the most out of chainsaw kill, and have all my weapons available always.

but in some level, is kinda a placebo

[austere bronze]

and 135 plasma bullets

[frank drum]

idk if you need to stay online to play it, but it have leaderboards

[austere bronze]

In my opinion it's a bit too much chainsawing in master levels

and as soon as you're at about 60% ammo you can chainsaw, so it isn't really that much thinking

[frank drum]

well is not like literally thinking, i mean is mora like a feeling.

[azure oriole]

That's the management you do lol

[austere bronze]

it's literally just chainsawing a fodder when you feel like it

you know when it's gone long enough for you to chainsaw, and then you just chainsaw a fodder

[frank drum]

yeah is more gameplay loop than actual management.

[dry yacht]

i like the..maykr drones

its free health and ammo, dont need to chainsaw basically

[austere bronze]

same! they are great

they maybe shouldn't give 200 HP tho lol

[dry yacht]

taras nabad ML statue arena with them is really fun

[austere bronze]

the courtyard arena is so goated

[dry yacht]

it really is

[serene stone]

I preferred the way SW3 did it with Eternal's ammo/chainsaw thing

You kill demons with a katana that's an actual weapon and not a long cutscene. It has elemental powers and special charged attacks.... and killing with it creates ammo drops like Eternal's chainsaw does (except the katana is an actual weapon with different abilities and can be used in combos and against everyone).

It's also lagless flowing into shooting and back into katana slashes..

Shadow Warrior 3 also has a typical reload system, but quick swaps do auto instantaneous backpack reload.

Basically does what Eternal was trying to do with encouraging quick swaps and using a "give me ammo" type device/combat loop while solving issues that people didn't like about Eternal's systems, and without forcing you into stale animation cutscenes or interrupting combat flow.

[signal summit]

I mean can i play whit other players

[serene stone]

I also prefer SW3's glory kill equivalent, where you get a special limited time or use weapon inside the demon.

[serene stone]

It reminds me of the final arena of Argent D'Nur from DOOM 2016 in some ways with the general flow and progression. That's a compliment btw

[vocal zinc]

Hey, just started playing after a fairly underwhelming time with 2016, I LOVE IT

[serene stone]

They feel SW3-esque in a way, and that's also a compliment lol

[serene stone]

Glad you like Eternal, but noooo

[austere bronze]

yeeees

[serene stone]

Come on. You only got to level 2 lol

[austere bronze]

🤫🧏‍♂️

[past sinew]

I dunno I also like Eternal way more than 2016 (although I also got my mind blown by 2016 so like, whatever man, whatever)

[serene stone]

Ye, they both gud

[past sinew]

I think the back half of 2016 felt like a slog my first time through, but when I started playing around with more weapons and runes on subsequent runs I liked it more

Which was largely because all the weapon swapping you are forced to do in Eternal made me think "damn I should play with more than just the super shotgun in 2016" and that was the right choice

[serene stone]

Dang. I think that's possibly the stronger part

VEGA train battle arena is the GOAT

[past sinew]

Oh no I am talking specifically about the last level

[fringe torrent]

The good half of DOOM 2016 is the one that starts with waking up and ends with the ending

[past sinew]

But I think that was like

[fringe torrent]

(all of the game is good)

[serene stone]

Yeah quick swapping makes 2016 feel like a brand new game, so Eternal retroactively made me like 2016 a lot more than I used to (and I already loved it lol).

Also Holo Swapping is hella fun too

[past sinew]

Down to me not doing a lot of rune stuff and weapons the first time through

[serene stone]

I loved Argent D'Nur.

I liked it more than Final Sin.

[past sinew]

So it was just me using the ssg on everything and those giant fights felt boring

Oh see Final Sin is like...

SO good to me

[austere bronze]

best level from a pure arena fight perspective

but overall, urdak is the best IMO

[past sinew]

My one complaint is that Hayden does not warn me enough about what might happen the longer the Icon of Sin is on earth anymore

[fringe torrent]

Argent D'Nur is Final Sin but a bit harder and with a boss that isn't a walking sponge

[fringe torrent]

Do not say that again

[past sinew]

THEY NEVER SHOULD'VE PATCHED IT

[fringe torrent]

I liked the boss though, it's an interesting idea

[past sinew]

I do not remember how long it took me to do the Icon of Sin fight the first time through but boy it took a while

[serene stone]

Also a much better aesthetic and much better music variety.

Final Sin only plays one song before the boss fight, Argent D'Nur plays Flesh and Metal, Rip and Tear, Damnation, Hell Choirs.

[past sinew]

(I don't have pride anymore I just take the Sentinel Armor if I get hung up on it now)