doom-eternal

[bitter kestrel]

no its just a frisbe

[main lotus]

Captain america

[steep sail]

Wait

[bitter kestrel]

yeah

[leaden panther]

Sometimes no tho because it didn't come back when he threw it at the Revenant

[bitter kestrel]

circular boomerang

that is also lethal

[little echo]

hey uh

i think this is the wrong channel

[leaden panther]

It just sort of happens sometimes

When people talk about a topic in the wrong channel

[tough bridge]

fellow doomers, i got 1 un campaign down in eternal

[coral vale]

Why it’s so easy to kill, the ballista turns it into a wimp

[main lotus]

It's annoying asf

[coral vale]

Don’t tell em about TAG2 possessed marauders 🙏

[main lotus]

I'm on nightmare, first playthrough

[coral vale]

Pro tip, stay mid range and zap em with the ballista, it’ll kill em in seconds

[leaden panther]

Sounds like hell

[azure oriole]

Was fighting for my life out here against those 2 mauraders in tag 1

[gusty pebble]

i feel you😔

[coral vale]

Honestly the archviles are worse to fight

[main lotus]

There is no mid range and if there is it's as thin as a tightrope. Best strategy I found is using pillars to block the axe

[gusty pebble]

if you stay on top of the archviles thay cant really do anything

[leaden panther]

Marauders ain't that bad because you don't gotta really prioritize em

[main lotus]

Idk why the first time I fought it. It was piss easy but the one right after getting the crucible is crushing my balls

[azure oriole]

Like you completed one? Or you have it down and are ready to complete it?

[coral vale]

Again just glue yourself to like 10 feet in front of it, it can’t do much then

Don’t get too far away from it or it’ll stomp on your nuts

[leaden panther]

I just shoot them with an ice bomb so it won't teleport away

[coral vale]

Then again I’ve been playing doom since it was controlled by arrow keys, so maybe I just got used to infuriating encounters

plutonia

[leaden panther]

Is it bad if my first DOOM game was Eternal

[coral vale]

Naw

Gotta start somewhere and eternal is a good one

[main lotus]

I think most people's first game is eternal

[coral vale]

Either that or 2016

[azure oriole]

Not everyone joins a series at the same time. You have to start somewhere, and if you have fun with the series and enjoy it like everyone else does, it doesn't matter what your first game was

[leaden panther]

Why is the Dark Lord's fight so damn long

[coral vale]

I always recommend going back and playing doom 64

Such a classic

[leaden panther]

Idk if it's on PS5

[coral vale]

Can’t even lie either I’m a certified doom 3 enjoyer. Hell in doom 3 is awesome

[azure oriole]

It is

[azure oriole]

5 USD for it RN I believe

[leaden panther]

Yeah it is i just checked

[coral vale]

Doom 3 needs a remaster bad

So misunderstood

[regal walrus]

does he know?

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[leaden panther]

I use euros but still the price is still the same number

[coral vale]

Doom 3 classic don’t count

[azure oriole]

Doom 3 is a great game, shame that most doom players either haven't played it or don't like it because of it's era

[regal walrus]

u know theres a bfg edition

🗿

[coral vale]

Yes, I have bfg and classic including the pc boxed set for doom 3 the retail release and its xpac sitting on my shelf

[azure oriole]

I think fuskyy meant a full on remaster

[leaden panther]

Isn't it more horror focused?

[regal walrus]

o

[azure oriole]

Yeah it's like survival horror but it's still fun

[coral vale]

It needs the dead space treatment

And it’s not exactly all horror, it gets pretty metal asf once you get into hell

[leaden panther]

Some of the demons actually look pretty creepy

[coral vale]

Supposedly doom 3 was ID’s “vision” of doom without the technical limitations of the time so take that for what you will

[leaden panther]

The plasma rifle looks so weird in Eternal

[coral vale]

I still wish we could have played doom 4, it would have been complete cheeks but I would have still bought it

[azure oriole]

The game is genuinely scary a lot of the time. Especially the original version without the flashlight.

[coral vale]

Flashlight was a mistake imo. It didn’t need it

[azure oriole]

I do think that the flashlight was a good quality of life feature tho I don't really get why people hate on it

Like you literally don't have to use it

[coral vale]

I feel like it was a compromise of the vision but I see why it’s there

[azure oriole]

You control the buttons you press, it's only there for the people who want it

[woeful ravine]

Yo i just started playing doom eternal I love it

[leaden panther]

Especially the big looking guy in one of the images

The cyclops with no eye

[coral vale]

Oh yeah that dude

I still wish doom retained that almost horror atmosphere

[woeful ravine]

I love doooom

[coral vale]

Doom 2016 did to an extent

[leaden panther]

To be honest DOOM 2016 had me yelling sometimes

[coral vale]

As much as I love doom eternal, it’s goofy as hell

[woeful ravine]

Oh

[leaden panther]

Hell Barons did scare me a couple times

[coral vale]

Super gore nest was the only eternal level that had me feeling a little chills, just due to it being so unbelievably nasty looking

[azure oriole]

The eternal plasma rifle is more of an homage to the original plasma rifle design in the classic doom games. I like 2016s design more than eternals personally but I get what they were going for

[coral vale]

2016 had peak gun and demon models ngl

I swear to god dark ages better go back

You can’t just give me the coolest slayer armor in the franchise and not give us the coolest version of the demons

[leaden panther]

The UI is very colorful

The Doomicorn too

[coral vale]

Doom eternal is a great twitch shooter though, I kinda hate how it put the key hunting aside tho

It’s there but, not really

[leaden panther]

Froms the looks of it so far the demons look really cool but not a big fan of the new Mancubus design tho

[coral vale]

Have they said who’s doing the dark ages’s music? The trailer sounded like Andrew.

Doubt it’s David

[azure oriole]

Mancubus do be lookin hella ugly but I think that's the point

[coral vale]

I’m not sure what I think of the SSG one tapping the mancubus tho

[leaden panther]

Mancubus has always been pretty ugly

[woeful ravine]

I hate how you can't manually save on doom eternal

[azure oriole]

That's what I'm saying

[acoustic lark]

❓

[acoustic lark]

Neither andrew, nor david.

[coral vale]

In the gameplay trailer, the SSG obliterates the mancubus without any real effort

It should be around 4 imo

[leaden panther]

Yeah like half of the body gets blown off by one shot

[acoustic lark]

He did not die from that.

[coral vale]

He didn’t? Good. I thought he did

[acoustic lark]

no, wtf lol

[coral vale]

It should be around 4 SSG shots to kill a mancubus

[leaden panther]

Are u sure tho i mean Doomguy kinda just walked right past him

[coral vale]

Could just have been for editing reasons

[acoustic lark]

Its a trailer...

And yes, im sure.

[coral vale]

There weren’t any drops so

Probably true

Unless damage got mega tuned for the trailer which, sure

[acoustic lark]

No lol

[leaden panther]

1 shotting the mancubus would be pretty boring tho

[coral vale]

The skull crusher seemed like it was running normal damage so I doubt there was damage boosting for the trailer

4-5 fragments per unwilling

[acoustic lark]

Not recalling they ever did anything like that

[coral vale]

They haven’t, that’s why I was a little sketched out by thinking the mancubus got one tapped, glad I was wrong

[leaden panther]

Is it a normal thing in the DOOM server for people to be talking about a topic in the wrong channel

[azure oriole]

The skull crusher thing was like an unmakyr in terms of spray pattern, it could be doing funky damage for the trailer

[coral vale]

Better be better than the unmaykr in eternal

[acoustic lark]

You can blast half the arachnotrons brain off, still alive. So why not blast off half a manc

Also, were currently in #doom-eternal not #the-dark-ages

[coral vale]

That thang was not worth the grind

[leaden panther]

Unmaykr was really disappointing, atleast the process of getting it was pretty fun

[coral vale]

Yeah the gates themselves were way more fun than using the reward

[acoustic lark]

Most useless gun ever, worthless without the upgrades like in D64

[coral vale]

Slayer gate 5 was crazy fun

[leaden panther]

Imo all slayer gates were fun

[coral vale]

None were bad encounters

That one 20 second timed trial for the marauder was a pain tho

[leaden panther]

I hate the guys in Eternal who just randomly spawn a shield infront of a demon who can be glory killed

Forgot their name

[azure oriole]

The secret encounter in the holt? That wasn't a slayer gate. Are you talking about something else?

[azure oriole]

Yeah carcass is just bad enemy design tbh

[leaden panther]

It's real annoying when there are multiple in one encounter too

[azure oriole]

cough cough SGN ML final arena cough cough

[coral vale]

Nah I’m talking about the sec encounter in Teras Nabad

[leaden panther]

It's hella satisfying killing em tho

[coral vale]

The second one, where you hit it, starts the clock and you gotta run into the arena to fight the marauder, that was mad cheesy

[azure oriole]

Ahhh yes that one, that was truly a pain on the first go round

[azure oriole]

Not when they spawn infinitely...

[leaden panther]

When does that happen in the game?

[coral vale]

SGN ML’s buff totem in the gargoyle room 🤑

Gotta remember it’s there or you’ll be fighting for a loooooong time

[azure oriole]

That same final arena on the Super Gore Nest Master Level

[leaden panther]

Oh the master level

My dumbass thought you two were talking about the normal level

ML makes sense now

[leaden panther]

Whenever i get to the gargoyle room i try to hit the buff totem as soon as possible

[coral vale]

Is it possible for the game to spawn an empowered marauder? I’ve never seen one in the 200 hours I’ve played across platforms

[leaden panther]

Maybe when an archvile and marauder are in the same encounter?

[coral vale]

I’m talking about that mechanic where a mob who kills another player gets put in your level buffed to the 9s

[azure oriole]

I can't remember ever seeing one.

If they did tho it wouldn't be that bad, empower buffs aren't very strong

[coral vale]

Nah, just would be funny

The possessed marauder however

[leaden panther]

I think i recall fighting one not sure though

[azure oriole]

Its just random I don't think it has anything to do with if the demon killed another player at all, despite what the game says

[coral vale]

You think it’s done off a pool maybe?

I don’t think it’s async mp but I figure the game has a way to track what’s killed people the most in a level

Might pull it from that

It’s usually a cyber mancubus for me

Did see one stalker

Tons of revs

[leaden panther]

Whenever i kill an empowered demon i think "how did someone die to that"

[azure oriole]

Well I'm pretty sure only certain things are available to be empowered, obviously bosses like the gladiator cant be, and I don't think fodder can either, but Im pretty damn that it has absolutely nothing to do with killing other players

[coral vale]

Actually I think you’re right it may be random since I got one while playing offline once lmao

The game disconnected from the server and I still got an empowered baron

[leaden panther]

I think if it would be funny if somebody ever got an empowered imp before

[coral vale]

I think it can only be the heavy demons

[leaden panther]

💔

[azure oriole]

Yes, being offline does not stop empowering. I put in 130 hours on the game with no Internet and had empowered demons through it all. Hence part of why I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with killing players

[azure oriole]

Empowered lost soul be like

empowered demons were a lie

[coral vale]

Yeah speak of the devil I’m offline and just got a empowered pain ele

It could use online data when connected but it might also rng it when it can’t

[leaden panther]

Sometimes when i replay levels sometimes the empowered demons aren't even there, just completely missing from the place they were the last time i played.

[young mango]

It once did, and now it does it at random, even in modded levels

[coral vale]

I like the empowered demons. It’s fun little mechanic

Shame the pvp in campaign idea didn’t pan out

[azure oriole]

For how long, if you know the answer? Like during launch week? Or did it last longer?

[leaden panther]

Why did it change?

[coral vale]

I’d assume after the end of series?

[azure oriole]

troll names in the empowered demons probably

[coral vale]

Perhaps they did it with battle mode 2.0

[azure oriole]

Probably dying playerbase would lower the amount of empowered demons to be almost non-existent

They used to have the names of the players the demon killed

[young mango]

I want to say it was probably 2.0/2.1 when it got patched out

[coral vale]

It makes sense

Having that be an online only mechanic hurts the feature

Reduces replayablity if the game just says “nope nobody’s died here in a while no feature for you”

[azure oriole]

Hurts the game as a whole. Online only features in singleplayer are a cancer.

Sorry hitman 3. Love you, but you're flawed.

[coral vale]

I still would have loved to have seen the campaign pvp come to fruition

[leaden panther]

The disappointment i felt when i found out that demon customizations don't appear in the campaigns

[coral vale]

I mean it makes sense

[azure oriole]

That was a missed opportunity for sure

[coral vale]

Having to do the destructible demons meshes on all the skins would have been AWFUL

[leaden panther]

I really wanted to see the pirate Mancubus in my campaign

[coral vale]

I can see why ID said nah

I’m still salty about the scrapped DLCs

[leaden panther]

Scrapped DLC's?

[coral vale]

Waaaay back when the game first launched the DLCs were advertised as a much different experience than what we got

[azure oriole]

I mean the modding community was able to add the feature, it's just not in the base game

[young mango]

but we got TAG2 tho😋

[azure oriole]

We were supposed to play as someone in the earth resistance for the dlc

[coral vale]

Oh what? Where can I get this mod that sounds sick

[leaden panther]

Sentinel hammer is pretty fun icl

[azure oriole]

Common autism Tammie W

[azure oriole]

Idk I'm not on PC, go where one would find mods

[young mango]

doom vfr without vfr

[coral vale]

Fair

[azure oriole]

I wish we had that dlc instead of what we got

[azure oriole]

Disagree, we got blood swamps in our dlc 😋

[leaden panther]

But wouldn't you be significally weaker in that DLC

[young mango]

powerscalers when you ask them to have fun:

[leaden panther]

Guess it could be more like DOOM 3 with a bigger horror aspect

[coral vale]

There’s a mod for the immoran skins but not the series skins

[azure oriole]

It would have been interesting to see how they would have done it

[coral vale]

I always assumed those DLCs are why the slayer is listed as a sentinel hero in battle mode rather than the doom slayer. I’d assume it would have updated for the protags of the DLCs to be in battle mode

[leaden panther]

I'm not a powerscaler i'm just curious

[azure oriole]

Eternal would have been a very different game if covid didnt happen

[coral vale]

Samuel Hayden protag perhaps

[azure oriole]

Probably not. Just the dlc would have

[leaden panther]

Could it be more like DOOM 3 with a bigger horror aspect

[young mango]

You do realize in the original doom, doomguy was just a regular guy too right

[patent pond]

How are all doing?

[azure oriole]

HOLY SHIT A SHARK

[coral vale]

Doom 1-2-64-3 yea

[patent pond]

Your profile is still horrifying

[coral vale]

Only after the end of 64 did doom guy become the slayer after he retreated to hell to battle the demons forever

[leaden panther]

It's kinda funny to me

[leaden panther]

No i don't realize cuz i'm not a thinker😔

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-shark-week-tummy-cute-funny-gif-7326480

[azure oriole]

Idkkk about doom 3. Look man sooo many people got their necks snapped in that game except for doomguy, the demons didn't even try. I think they knew he was immortal in that game. (Ik that my logic is stupid as fuck, but I think it's funny so I choose to believe it this way)

[azure oriole]

they did try to possess doomguy, but failed

The Doom Marine in 3 is just so badass that he can shrug off a attempted possession

Toughs it out

[patent pond]

Doom 3 is really boring for me I'm not really a huge fan of the horror aspect or the reloading mechanics in a doom game

[azure oriole]

The game provides an in universe reason why most of the possessions work too

Most of the staff on the Mars base were tired, stressed, and overworked

Less of them would’ve been possessed most likely if they were working in better conditions

[patent pond]

Massive skill issue

[azure oriole]

Jeff Bezos to his Amazon slaves employees

[azure oriole]

Didn't even know that. That's pretty neat

[patent pond]

If they get possessed so easily because they're tired just drink coffee or a energy drink

Or just get better at doing their jobs

[azure oriole]

One guy tried but the vending machine didn't work so he literally killed himself

Actual doom 3 plot

Funny shark, are you a friend of the shark that appears in uac atlantica?

The Doom Marine in 3 was literally just transferred to Mars so that probably plays into why he could just tough out a possession like that

Obviously stronger willed than most too

[coral vale]

I love how you can obliterate frame rates in eternal by using the ice bomb, flame belch and rocket launcher on a large group at the same time

On my 4090 I managed to get the game to touch 49 fps

[patent pond]

I still want them to bring back Doom shark in the dark ages

[azure oriole]

After I’m done playing thy fleshed consumed I might just hope right to Eternal

Don’t feel like replaying all the games ngl

[azure oriole]

You seem to know a bit about doom 3, do you mind if I ask you a question?

I don’t mind

When I played Lost Mission I realized that the camera never actually pans to the marine we play as, was it the same marine as the other 2 campaigns? Or was it a completely different person? It kinda conflicts with the timeline if it's the same one

It’s a completely different person yeah

Last survivor of a marine team on the Mars base

[patent pond]

I really don't like how there's multiple Marines that you play as in Doom 3 like give me one to actually make me care about

[azure oriole]

Ok, that was confusing me, thanks so much for giving me a minute of your time to answer! I appreciate it.

Np

[bright kernel]

heyy

[coral vale]

I wonder since both of the wads for doom 1 and 2 come with doom eternal to be played as Easter eggs, would it be possible to load a custom wad?

[young mango]

yes

[coral vale]

That’s crazy

I wonder if someone has ever ran sigil on doom eternal, the real doom 3

[azure oriole]

false

React to this message if you love Doom 3

[storm eagle]

Screecher douche

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259948171929587773/1261171501496012860/VideoEditor_20240711_110448.mp4?ex=6691fcfd&is=6690ab7d&hm=4be18f9de1866830ad8f99511687e04dedebded7618a7fae245e506b8cb58f50&

[young mango]

isn’t sigil a sequel to doom, not doom 2?

[tacit monolith]

Practicing ultra nightmare rn

[storm eagle]

@young mango How do I one-cycle this guy^^?

I should've blood punched too oops

[azure oriole]

Good luck

[vocal zenith]

Doom 3 is ass

I like Quake 4 tho. Not really a great game..

But I got the nostalgia for it

[young mango]

there's lot's of ways but i think a simple method is shooting a ballista near his feet after he's taken damage https://youtu.be/rUqdmzJBFIM?si=F-fr3IUjBrwMbdB7

[vocal zenith]

If that makes any sense

[storm eagle]

DAMN longest stun. I...shall try that now. With pb. Thx as always!

[coral vale]

Sorta. It’s kinda its own thing iirc

It’s got some amazing levels though

[serene stone]

I like many things about 3 personally

[wheat flame]

Ballista
Super shotgun
Super shotgun

[torpid gorge]

I got that diabolical super shotgun skin (that red skin) and hoooooly it looks beautiful

Also the skeleton skin for doom Slayer looks like that one guy from fortnite. (I had to say it)

[azure oriole]

No u

[azure oriole]

[azure oriole]

I love the vibes Doom 3 gives off, I also love like that early 2000s sci fi feel you get in the beginning, specially in the cafeteria with the chill bro marines. The fucking box TV

Lmao

Yeah Doom 3 basically had a perfected version of the Half Life opening and extremely awesome art direction/atmosphere

Basically exactly how I’d imagine a hell invasion would look and feel like

I think the game starts to lose its luster as it goes on because the combat isn’t really good enough to prop it up but still, the diegetic storytelling persists through most of it and the mystery of the ancient martians helps to keep the intrigue.

[azure oriole]

I also really love early 2000s sci fi, there was something about it that I just don’t seem to feel in modern games. Closest I’ve got to those feelings was Cyberpunk and Helldivers

[shell fox]

Horrible take

[shell fox]

Idk bout this one chief, half-life did it better

[azure oriole]

Tell me something

[shell fox]

Different method of storytelling between both games too

[azure oriole]

Not really, unless you value conciseness

Doom 3 has significantly more detail and character interactions that help to increase the sense of foreboding dread and hint at what’s going on

If Half life did it better
Why there isnt a Half Life Eternal? 🤪

[azure oriole]

I like both games

Find it much more interesting

Not devaluing Half Life’s opening but Doom 3 just did it better

[azure oriole]

No opinion on this?

[shell fox]

Very different situation in both games, the UAC knew it was quite literally playing with the devil, in HL1 the only hints you get are failures in the facility

Which happen often anyway

It was literally almost completely unforeseen

[azure oriole]

Doom 3 has an industrial Sci-Fi vibe that wasn’t really emulated by many games afterwards besides Dead Space which very obviously takes a lot of inspiration from doom 3

[shell fox]

Black Mesa, the remake, had the opportunity to expand on it but hardly did

Because how would they?

Hardly anyone at black mesa knew about the xen expeditions

Just wouldn't make sense

[shell fox]

Because them counter strike skins sell better

[azure oriole]

lol

[azure oriole]

Nah, I mean I really just like sci fi that’s kind of grounded. Not over the top or like “this doesn’t make any sense at all.” Kind of like how a lot of people prefer the first Iron Man suit that was metal and shit, not lame ass nano bots. It might make him more powerful but it doesn’t look as cool

[storm eagle]

da hell is going on in here

hi guys

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-what's-up-smiling-friends-hi-i'm-here-gif-2830479884518778816

[shell fox]

Doom 3's advantages are just technological, it makes sense for there to be less hints in Half-Life

The next chapter right after Anomalous Materials is named "Unforeseen Consequences"

Because almost no one saw it coming

[azure oriole]

@shell fox Another good example of “grounded sci fi” is like the bungie era of Halo games and the original Deus Ex

[shell fox]

Hello

[azure oriole]

I mean yeah it improved upon foundations already set I wouldn’t call the opening a greater achievement than Half Life’s

[shell fox]

The bungie era was more grounded, but it was honestly because bungie hadn't settled on what they wanted to do with the forerunners yet

[azure oriole]

But black mesa had some xen aliens on test tubes or whatever they are called

But I’d still say it was an improvement

[storm eagle]

Ey Mark

[shell fox]

You mean in Chapter 11? That laboratory was top secret, few at black mesa knew about it

[azure oriole]

Any Deus Ex fans though?

Man, I love Deus Ex

[shell fox]

Definitely not the team Gordon worked with

[azure oriole]

Best game of all time

[azure oriole]

I AGREE

It’s like my all time fav game

[shell fox]

Hru

[azure oriole]

Yeah I played the shit out of it

Between the base game and mods I gotta have at least 600+ hours put into it

Honestly I’d say I was obsessed for awhile

Yeah, I think I’m going to play through all of Doom and then I’m going to play through all of Half Life

Then all of the other game franchises I got to play through

Like Bio Shock

Got a massive steam backlog

More than enough games to play

Going through my doom games rn though

After I’m done Thy Flesh Consumed I’m probably just going to play Eternal

I’m playing them all

That episode alone has likely cut a few years off my life expectancy

Plus I can just play doom 2 in eternal so

Doom 1, Doom 2, Doom 64, Doom 3, Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal

Dont forget Final Doom and Doom 3 ROE

That’s probably like a week worse of gaming or few weeks worth depending on your schedule

Master levels as well I think

And ofc Doom VFR

Idk how many hours all the Doom games would be

[azure oriole]

We don’t talk about that…

Bruh

[austere bronze]

Hi, I'm M1, and uh, don't do that for the sake of your own sanity

You said that you shouldn't stand far away, bu that's exactly what you should do, then he throws his attacks, runs at you and does his green eye flash

Standing far away from the marauder is the most consistent way to fight him

[regal walrus]

🐱

[storm eagle]

Hai

[regal walrus]

thats one doomed space marine

[main lotus]

I love the amount of strategy doom takes

[jolly igloo]

Ye

[regal walrus]

theres strategies?

[jolly igloo]

Even in the classic games, you gotta think about what weapon would work for what situation

[regal walrus]

thought u jus brute force it until they die

[main lotus]

You don't have a plan, like ever? Like an order of operations

Like kill that one with that gun then switch guns kill that one then use the chainsaw

[regal walrus]

no

like literally my first playthrough on this game

i jus used the combat shotgun + sticky grenades

all the way to the dark lord

cuz i didnt know how to quick switch

🗿

[main lotus]

I'm still doing my first playthrough tbh

[jolly igloo]

That is impressive, I’ll give you that

[main lotus]

I picked nightmare for my first playthrough because I though that if I beat it on nightmare anything below that would come easy

[austere bronze]

I never make any strategy

I just jump into battle and do my own thing

[main lotus]

I would do that but then I'd just get insta oblitorated

[austere bronze]

Nah, just go into autopilot mode

I usually think about things I gotta do irl or events that have happened while playing eternal

I genuinely can't remember the last time I thought about what I was doing while playing eternal

[long orbit]

I tried classic Weapon pose

(Did not go well)

Although I did beat my first mastery level today

[tribal sentinel]

No. I just kill shit until it dies, I dont really think about what i’m doing. I just do it

And it works for me. I can switch move around and kill things faster if I just let my brain go autopilot

[long orbit]

Damn that sucks

[tribal sentinel]

Beat the game a few weeks ago and I did the same thing Lmao trust me it works

[long orbit]

My first play through was on ultra violence and I thought it was pretty simple

[austere bronze]

Classic weapon pose is based

It aint doom if my guns aint coming out of my chest!

[long orbit]

It’s hard lmao

[long orbit]

Lmao

[austere bronze]

I like it

You just gotta get used to it

[long orbit]

Yea

[austere bronze]

Just do it
-Nike

[long orbit]

I was fighting a cyber demon and it felt all wonky

[austere bronze]

How so?

[long orbit]

Idk it felt weird

I wasn’t used to it

[austere bronze]

Fair enough ig

[long orbit]

I might try it again

But does it affect demons in battle mode?

That would be goofy if so

[austere bronze]

No

[long orbit]

Aww

[austere bronze]

The only thing it affects is how the guns appear for you

[long orbit]

I wanna se what abomination it would create with the marauder

Someone should totally mod that in for fun

[austere bronze]

Ima pick some potatoes now🗣️

[long orbit]

New pfp is fire

[austere bronze]

Wdym?

[long orbit]

You know how he has a super shotgun plus axe?

[austere bronze]

Yea

[long orbit]

Well what would classic weapon pose look like with him?

[austere bronze]

Ohh

[long orbit]

Maybe shotgun in middle

[austere bronze]

That would be goofy as hell

[long orbit]

And axe at the side

[long orbit]

Exactly

[austere bronze]

Maybe a bit too goofy even...

[long orbit]

That’s the point

It needs to be overly goofy

[austere bronze]

I do not concur

[long orbit]

It needs to happen

Imagine the revanant

[austere bronze]

The revenant doesn't have any guns

Those rockets on the shoulders were like that in the old doom games even

[long orbit]

Yea but imagine the hands

[austere bronze]

I do not want to😭

[long orbit]

It needs to happen

[austere bronze]

No

[long orbit]

Yes

THE MANCUBUS💀💀💀

[azure oriole]

Most dangerous demon in the early game

[long orbit]

Now I just combo them with the super shotgun and ballista

[austere bronze]

Yea, before the rocket launcher there is really no efficient way of dealing with them

[long orbit]

Yea the rocket launcher is also a good way to exterminate them

[austere bronze]

If you pb+sticky bomb them, it would take you 5 pb shots and 4 sticky bombs

[azure oriole]

Double mancubi with whiplash and the triple mancubi with a lot of gargoyles is the gauntlet stage ngl

[austere bronze]

Don't you have the rocket launcher for the triple mancubi?

I don't really remember cultist base

I don't really remember any mission

[azure oriole]

Lack of faster dashes or lack of hotswapper makes the difference

You get to choose either before you fight them

[austere bronze]

Choose hotswapper

Mancubi deletion

[long orbit]

Hotswapper?

I’m gonna get a keyboard and mouse and connect em to my ps5

Then I will get better

[austere bronze]

You can't do that with eternal

[long orbit]

Ur joking

[austere bronze]

It's a preator suit perk that makes it so you can swap weapons and mods quicker

[austere bronze]

Unfortunately, no

[long orbit]

UGHHH

I’ve been wanting to do that

[austere bronze]

Yea, it's very annoying

[long orbit]

We should get them to make it possible

Start a protest

[austere bronze]

Eternal aint getting any new updates

[long orbit]

It should

I wanna be able to use the number keys to quick switch

Not just r1

[austere bronze]

You can bind some weapons

You could bind every single one, but then you would probably sacrifice too much other stuff

[regal walrus]

They gonna redo series 1 event?

[long orbit]

Yea it’s not rlly worth it

I could sacrifice crucible tho…

Or r3

Whatever it’s called

[austere bronze]

There are a few unnecessary binds

You coulf probably get like 3 weapons bound quite easily

I would do heavy cannon, rocket launcher and ssg

[long orbit]

Yea I might try that

I would do super shotgun, rocket launcher and ballista

Those r my top weapons

[austere bronze]

Ballista isn't really that good

[long orbit]

TAKE THAT BACK

[austere bronze]

Precision bolt is nice for quick switching

[austere bronze]

No

I only use it for dblade, ballista boosting and ammo management

Just so I don't have to chainsaw as often

[long orbit]

It is a wonderful weopon

I use it for almost all heavy’s

[austere bronze]

Why

[long orbit]

You can Insta kill a cacodemon with one of the mods

[austere bronze]

It's so slow when switching

[long orbit]

I love using persicion bolt tho

[long orbit]

Tbh, even though I can’t do it quickly, I still try to use my entire arsenal, especially when there is a super heavy

[austere bronze]

I only have arbalest equipped when I'm doing a restricted run where I'm not allowed to use dblade

[long orbit]

I don’t rlly like the dblade

[austere bronze]

It's one of the best mods in the game

[long orbit]

I don’t enjoy it

[austere bronze]

That's fair

[long orbit]

The best in my opinion is lock on burst

[austere bronze]

The best is meathook

[long orbit]

Yea agreed

[austere bronze]

Lob might be second

[long orbit]

I forgot it was a mod lmao

[austere bronze]

I also do that, like I said before, since the ballista is so slow I only use it for efficient ammo management

[long orbit]

The flaming meathook is too good

[long orbit]

Yea I guess

It deals a lot of damage tho

It’s good for tough situations

But the best panic weapon is the chaingun

Because of the shield

[austere bronze]

A bit less than rocket launcher still

[austere bronze]

Yes

[long orbit]

True

[austere bronze]

I usually play without the shield

[long orbit]

I mostly use it when there is too many pain elementals lmao

Other than that I mostly use mobile turret

Tbh quick switching does look pretty good with classic weapon pose

[austere bronze]

Ballista can't really compare to this
#videos message

[austere bronze]

It really does

[austere bronze]

And now I'm even quicker with my switching

[austere bronze]

Mobile turret isn't really a good mod

And the shield is like the second or third best

[long orbit]

Mobile turret gives you like 4 guns

It’s great for the icon of sin

[austere bronze]

Yea, and?

Doesn't really increase rate of fire that much

[regal walrus]

Mobile turret looks cool 🐱

[long orbit]

Exactly

[desert juniper]

Did anyone found a way to do a 3 quickswitch on xbox or is it just for pc only?

[long orbit]

You can bind weapons

To other buttons

[desert juniper]

Is it possible? If so how can i learn

[long orbit]

Idk I just know it is possible

[regal walrus]

Settings

[desert juniper]

Oh i think is just the weapon wheel milli second thing

[austere bronze]

Lol, perhaps

Too bad I'll never see it because I never use it

[long orbit]

You should

It is gud

[austere bronze]

I get at minimum 3× the DPS with quick switching

[slow sigil]

honestly it doesn't even look that cool

[austere bronze]

It also takes up too much of the screen IMO, I've moved my weapons down with console commands just so I can see better

[slow spear]

Golden super shotgun 💪

[long orbit]

How do you even get it?

[slow spear]

Beat world spear on nightmare

[long orbit]

Easy enough

[slow spear]

Just decided to play TAG2 on nightmare and wasnt even thinking of the skin

[long orbit]

I’ve got 1 and 2 but I’m still doing 1

I’m on my first play through

And I’m going for nightmare

I’m stuck on the halt

[slow spear]

I played the campaign and TAG1 on uv but then I tried out nightmare and realized its way easier than I thought itd be

[long orbit]

Yea I found it pretty easy until they introduced the blood maykr

Is there a gold skin for all guns?

I know there is one for combat shotgun and super shotgun

[slow spear]

For the rifle

Dont know if theres others

[long orbit]

Plasma?

Or heavy canon?

[slow spear]

Yeah that

[long orbit]

How do you get it?

[slow spear]

Honestly dont know

After I beat world spear I had it

[long orbit]

All good

[long orbit]

Oh it must be an uv reward maybe?

Uv and up perhaps?

I’ll look it up

[slow spear]

Maybe

[long orbit]

Every weapon can be gold

All of them are found in tag2 milestone rewards

Besides the combat shotgun

That one is earned by completing all of the super gore nest ML challenges

[serene stone]

Disagree

[long orbit]

Oh come on

[azure oriole]

off meta but fun

[long orbit]

The mobile turret is great

Y’all r too harsh on it

[eternal halo]

i just glitched 50 miles into the air and dropped down into a place 2 or 3 checkpoints ahead

and it saved as the right checkpoint wtf

did i just find a new speedrunning meta or smth

[azure oriole]

sure, especially when i combo for more dps

i'm just being realist here, i would love too if it was viable but swapping is better

[eternal halo]

no wait im stuck

it wont let me advance

someone help me

[austere bronze]

Based

[oak fractal]

I was once playing arc complex and on the elevator to the second turret I some how glitched underneath it and fell down so I completely skipped firing the 2nd turret

[eternal halo]

yea but im stuck. like i have a checkpoint 80m behind me that i cant get to. and my current checkpoint has a wall on it that wont go down. i literally cannot do anything. im in the world spear btw

[oak fractal]

is that a dlc level or something? cus I haven't played it yet and haven't heard of world spear lol

[slow sigil]

theres multiple ways to launch yourself into the air and skip most of the level, generally they are banned on No Major Glitches

[eternal halo]

tag2 first mission

[eternal halo]

i was joking. in reality im just stuck and dont know what to do

[slow sigil]

ah

if you're not that far you could reset the level, reload last checkpoint could also maybe help

[oak fractal]

so true it's very good against the icon of sin if you have lots of ammo

[slow sigil]

but i assume you already reloaded last checkpoint

[oak fractal]

yeah you can just restart the lvl

[eternal halo]

reloading last checkpoint doesnt work. and resetting the level is a last resort option for me. its a nm save and i do not want to have to endure that pain again.

[slow sigil]

if you don't care for the bad looking gold skins and the background you can just tune down the difficulty whilst trying to continue

or maybe try to use another glitch that launches you in the air to travel backwards, idk any of those myself though

[eternal halo]

im in nm for the gold skins. my main playthrough is on hmp

[eternal halo]

ill try and see if i can do that. the last one involved a jump pad though. theres none of those here

[austere bronze]

Why did you go from hmp to nm? You can just get the skins later...

[slow sigil]

well, my only advice for that is to just play for fun. Especially since the gold skins are extremely boring compared to actual skins

[austere bronze]

Playing way too hard stuff is an easy way to get burnt out

[eternal halo]

two separate save files. im just going through cause why not. im a good portion of the way done, and this glitch is probably the only thing stopping me from completing the level in 2 or so days.

[eternal halo]

that it is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123241552450428969/1261348944634450032/Doom_Eternal_Screenshot_2024.07.12_-_11.47.36.18.png?ex=6692a23f&is=669150bf&hm=81a6624206c1ab0681756358e8638bc3437faf30968631640f70c663eaf977b7&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123241552450428969/1261348971478126683/Doom_Eternal_Screenshot_2024.png?ex=6692a245&is=669150c5&hm=51110c2dc9d9427dd19c07e843f9c69a2255a42a8f54ca5cec89747ec255ada5&

heres my situation

[austere bronze]

You've tried exiting and entering?

And you can try alt+f4

[fringe torrent]

If you aren't on UN try reloading checkpoint.

[eternal halo]

twice now. i just deleted the save file. steam's auto save is too fast for me to access my game file from yesterday

[eternal halo]

didnt work. tried that alr

[fringe torrent]

Dang.

[eternal halo]

yea it just launched me in the air, skipped 2 or 3 chekcpoints, and now the checkpoint wont trigger

shoulda reloaded checkpoint when the glitch happened, then it wouldnt've had time to register

ah well. guess this is a sign to not play nm yet

[valid talon]

Yo. How the hell do I do nightmare mode on eternal? Also do you think blood punch will be in the dark ages?

I've done everything else on eternal. Even horde mode. On nightmare

[oak fractal]

blood punch will probably be redone into something else

[fringe torrent]

You gotta train hard. I recommend doing Horde on NM a few times and making sure you can at least beat the campaign on UV. Then good luck and hope RNG or glitches doesn't fuck you over.

[valid talon]

I beat horde on nightmare. Also screw battlements cus that's just shit. Nice perspective but shit

[austere bronze]

I just did UV until I didn't die at every arena, then I just jumped into nightmare ;)

[valid talon]

Also. Eternal is easier than 2016

[fringe torrent]

DOOM 3 style nightmare would kick absolute ass in DE.

Would love to play a mod like it!

[austere bronze]

Yea, nightmare in 2016 was very unbalanced

[fringe torrent]

Imps were a death wish.

[valid talon]

I tried nightmare on both eternal? Easy first level boom second level couldn't beat it. 2016? Couldn't kill the imps in the first gore nest.

[austere bronze]

Because restacking is so busted and you can abuse so many mods in eternal, nightmare can easily be done by just figuring out some things

[fringe torrent]

2016 first level is easier on UN.

[austere bronze]

First level on eternal is easy on UN

Can't say the same for 2016

[fringe torrent]

Cacodemon went from pain to easy. Still suck if you fail to hit their mouth.

[valid talon]

How do I beat 2016 on ultra nightmare. Apparently I can beat it instantly after the first few levels bc I become "super over powered"

Any cheats? Also I'm playing on switch

[fringe torrent]

It's even easier than DE. Do first arena legit, then use the forklift to climb the background rocks which have collision. Go to ending arena, don't fuck up the last jump, and GG.

[valid talon]

Damn.

[fringe torrent]

Try what I said above for Level 1. Can't help further as I suck ass at UN, or NM.

[valid talon]

Yeah...

[fringe torrent]

This is used for speedruns so watch a video to know the path on the rocks.

[austere bronze]

Oh yeah, eternal UN is also super easy!! Just do the same tricks to get out of bounds!

[valid talon]

I'm good btw if I try and play until I'm better. God fucking damn ill be good.

[fringe torrent]

you're what

[valid talon]

Yeah.

[fringe torrent]

bad

[valid talon]

Annnd I'm kicked.

[fringe torrent]

Homie you'll be BANNED if the mods see.

Off Discord in general probably too.

[valid talon]

Ahh shit

[fringe torrent]

And I'm willing to bet they'll notice fast. Either that or someone will tell them.

So happy first and last day of Discordin' for a while.

[valid talon]

Birthday in 3 days sooooo.

[fringe torrent]

You blew your cover FAST

[valid talon]

Who's cryo maniac?

Bro don't be a MOD

[azure oriole]

Before you go, the best UN advice I can give is to just play the game a lot. Especially on nightmare. The more practice you have on nightmare the more comfortable you'll be on UN.

[valid talon]

Ahh thanks

[fringe torrent]

Also try beating the game on EL NM.

[azure oriole]

I don't really think that matters

[valid talon]

On what? I don't know abbreviations

[fringe torrent]

Extra-Life

[valid talon]

Ahh.

I've already beaten that

[azure oriole]

Just play regular nightmare and on any arenas that you felt you struggled with, lost an extra life, got low too often, etc. reload a checkpoint, and do that arena until you feel like you're comfortable with it

[fringe torrent]

Yeah but it'll help them be more precise with their gameplay to avoid running out of lives, which as they do more they'll get better at.

[fringe torrent]

On NM?

[valid talon]

I've beaten everything on switch except for untra nigtmare

[fringe torrent]

Do you have the Altar of Glory?

[valid talon]

No. Not yet.

[valid talon]

What is that?

[fringe torrent]

Then do that.

[valid talon]

Okeydokey

[fringe torrent]

So you haven't done everything!

[valid talon]

Danm.

[fringe torrent]

It's for 50 matches as each playable character in Battlemode. Golden podium.

[valid talon]

Never played battle mode. Have to pay extra.

As I'm on switch

[austere bronze]

You said eariler that it sucks, but now you say you've never played battlemode?

[fringe torrent]

Yeah console online being paid is tough, but save up for a while for a year (or as I like to do, 6 months) and in that time save up again. Cycle repeat.

[valid talon]

I have done horde. I have golden bounty lord

[fringe torrent]

Probably got that opinion online. Kid's got an impressionable age.

[valid talon]

Well no.

I have played the tutorial.

[fringe torrent]

I like Horde a lot. Got every reward from it except for the leaderboards ones, I only need to get top 200 in UV and NM.

[valid talon]

But your probably correct.

[fringe torrent]

mfw

Don't judge stuff by tutorials, you should actually play it to form thoughts.

[valid talon]

Both my therapist say I have good self reflection

[azure oriole]

That one cup head game journalist a while back be like

[fringe torrent]

My friend refunded DE because he skipped the tutorial and didn't know how to play. Got stuck at the green punch stuff.

[valid talon]

Hehe

[valid talon]

Also wow

[azure oriole]

How do you know about that? Was your friend telling you about how much the game sucked? 😭

[valid talon]

I feel bad for him. He didn't even play the full fun of doom

I've played doom 1993

[fringe torrent]

Yes. Then when asked how far he got he told me that. I was like "are you an idiot? "

[valid talon]

Awesome game. Its like 2016 but a bit like shovel knight

[fringe torrent]

... huh? What do you mean?

[valid talon]

Me?

[azure oriole]

Lmao. Trash shitty game devs always making trash games that are no fun 😡😭

[fringe torrent]

Affirmative!

[valid talon]

Pixilated 2016

It was fun.

[fringe torrent]

1993 is not very similiar to 2016, not sure how you got that...

[valid talon]

Do you nor like doom 1993?

It's like more of a shoot and walk. Like 2016

[cunning apex]

hello guy

[valid talon]

Hello.

[fringe torrent]

I love it. It's one of my favorite games ever, and I've played some good ones. But 1993 and 2016 are very far in-between... and especially far to Shovel Knight.

[valid talon]

Oh well. I mean the art style

[fringe torrent]

He likes RAGE 2...

[fringe torrent]

Shovel Knight didn't invent pixels...

[valid talon]

At least its not overwatch

[valid talon]

I know I'm young and that.

[fringe torrent]

Did you play it?

[valid talon]

Overwatch? Yeah. I quit it wasn't for me. And the player base is disappointing and disgusting

[azure oriole]

Oh yeah because rage 2 is a great game. Unlike doom eternal. Eternal is impossible and sucks, obviously. That's why rage 2 is better

[fringe torrent]

Hey, at least you played it before shitting on it, that's good. Play TF2.

[valid talon]

I've heard of that game. It looks good.

[fringe torrent]

We hate Eternal here!

[fringe torrent]

Team Fortress 2 I meant, in case you got it mixed up with Titanfall 2.

[valid talon]

It's soo bad and the zombies do too much damage!

[austere bronze]

I hate some parts about it, honestly

[azure oriole]

Absolutely. Screw that game! 🔥

[valid talon]

No I don't know what titanfall is.

[fringe torrent]

Never played it personally. But if you do play TF2, 360 version's the best one.

[austere bronze]

Still an overall great game tho

[azure oriole]

No, I hate it and it sucks.

Lost souls too op, too hard

[fringe torrent]

The tutorial is so hard...

[valid talon]

Anyway. Doom the dark ages? Blood punch Sheild?

And the arachnotron looks so good.

[fringe torrent]

Sir the TDA discussion goes to the TDA channels. We are shitting on Eternal here.

[austere bronze]

Won't be playable on the switch

[valid talon]

Also the balista nail gun 🤤 🤤

[valid talon]

That's why I'm getting ps5 soon

[austere bronze]

There's a tutorial for eternal?

[wet seal]

Hopefully they wont continue with that annoying unskipable cutscenes that shows you where to go

[austere bronze]

Ah

[valid talon]

I am a die hard doom fan.

[fringe torrent]

Yes, the text! Too much reading!

[austere bronze]

Why not a pc?🗣️

[valid talon]

Oh yeah on the first level?

[azure oriole]

Those fuckers at id software. Don't they know I'm illiterate???

[fringe torrent]

I'm upgrading to a XSX personally.

[fringe torrent]

I had to mash every button to find out what it does! Unplayable!

[wet seal]

Theyre on most of the levels

[valid talon]

I hate dieing on the first level doom eternal then the doom symbol comes up and the speech starts coming on

[fringe torrent]

Which ones have you played?

[fringe torrent]

Against all the evil that Hell can conjure...

(or was that the 2016 intro?)

[valid talon]

Doom 1993 doom 2 doom eternal and 2016. I have a small amount of money to my pockets. Also played quake too.

[fringe torrent]

Try DOOM 3 and 64 soon. They're neato.

[valid talon]

Good fucking game

[wet seal]

Ngl, 3D person cutscenes in Eternal was a mistake that purpose was only to promote the game

[valid talon]

I will I've seen how the mini gun looks in 64

[austere bronze]

They weren't bad IMO

[fringe torrent]

I love Quake. Quake 4 is underrated as fuck.

[wet seal]

Theyre pretty bad

[azure oriole]

Exactly! I know I'm good at video games because I can play Mario kart, so when I started eternal I chose the hardest difficulty, and then those zombies in the first room killed me! How could they make such an unbalanced difficulty that even a god gamer like me couldn't beat it???? Its so unbalanced and so garbage. I deleted the game immediately

[austere bronze]

The last time I played through the game I didn't mind them

[valid talon]

Yeah. They both need some more love by the community's quake and doom 64

[slow spear]

Turned on motion blur and turned off hud I truly am the gameplay channel now

[valid talon]

Danm. That's almost unplayable.

[wet seal]

I just can never take them seriously they’re so goofy or “edgy” it looks like it was directed by amateurs

[austere bronze]

I know you are joking, but I genuinely wonder how they made eternal so unbalanced
The difficulties are fine, but thr weapon, mods and runes are so unbalanced

[fringe torrent]

I had the same happen to me! Then I reinstalled the best game ever, Genshin Impact, and stared at the armpits for 5 hours. Don't worry, they're 5000 years old!

[wet seal]

And the unskipable cutscenes that shows you were to go, Ill never get used to them, they should never exist

[austere bronze]

The unskippable cutscenes are annoying, yeah

[fringe torrent]

HUD off is actually a pretty common and fun challenge. TNO has a whole mode around it.

[austere bronze]

HUD off is not really that much harder

[valid talon]

Yeah me too! I'm 6 years old and play skibidi toilet tower defence so doom is too hard for me! (Kill me please)

[azure oriole]

Lmao 😭😭😭 I want you to know I laughed so hard I dropped my phone reading that 🤣

[fringe torrent]

Wolf2 has no health indicator

[fringe torrent]

I am become the comedy.

[serene stone]

Probably downfalls of making a much higher than average skill ceiling in a (mostly) single player FPS.

It makes it much much harder to balance.

[valid talon]

You are the fruits of hehe haha

[wet seal]

Its a little harder, but yeah every time I play the main campaign I play hud off, the game actually looks decent that way.

[valid talon]

I'll try it.

[fringe torrent]

I sometimes wish certain games made easy be easy instead of baby mode or hellishly hard but easier than other modes.

[wet seal]

Like doom 2016?

[fringe torrent]

Yup.

[wet seal]

Tho its kind of the greatest thing about eternal that it chose to specialize like that

[valid talon]

Ohh Yeah.. they should make a doom game with one difficulty it'll be an experiment

[fringe torrent]

TNO beats my ass at medium. I lowered it to the lower one and near the end to the lowest.

[valid talon]

I've always started doom games on tytd as it's just nice to explore

Too young to die

[fringe torrent]

For classics I either do HMP or UV if I want to beat the game. If I want to suffer, NM.

[valid talon]

Then I play on ultra violence

[fringe torrent]

Hey, not too rough! is probably the least popular one.

[valid talon]

After that I cry myself to sleep when I died 87 times in ultra nightmare

[wet seal]

Its the greatest and worst thing about it.
Doom eternal specialized so much with combat, and did it to such an extreme and unique measure, that it genuinely split the fan base…
To people who hate the combat and suck at video games.
To people who either neutral or like the combat but find issue with the numerous flaws of the game…
And most people who in loved with the combat and deny or ignore all the issues with the game.

[valid talon]

Yup. The fan base make games worse most of the time. Sometimes the games just are bad but the fan base make them better

[fringe torrent]

Or you have sad games with fanbases that meme them to death.

[wet seal]

The doom eternal community is mostly alright tho..
They’re just most of them have pretty low standards ngl

[valid talon]

Yeah

[fringe torrent]

Reuben is there NOTHING at #livestreams ? Just checking because it's odd.

[valid talon]

I'm now just starting a nightmare life mode save phile on eternal

[serene stone]

That is true.

Fun fact; even Hugo Martin himself says 2016 is harder than Eternal. Atleast on both games' Nightmare difficulties.

[valid talon]

No idea

[fringe torrent]

You can check, y'know.

[fringe torrent]

2016 is way harder because of no weak spots and you didn't have as many traversal options.

[wet seal]

Uuuh, maybe UN.
Doom 2016 is just hard for a different reason, you just have harder time against big number of demons and you die when you fall of ledges.

[valid talon]

There should be a weak spot system

[serene stone]

Restacking is also much less busted. You can make a huge shitton of armor and health pools basically whenever you want in Eternal, and enemies did a lot more damage in 2016.

[fringe torrent]

Also no double jump until a few levels in and you can't pick your runes.

[valid talon]

Like you shoot a hell Knight in the foot and it can't walk

[wet seal]

Bruh

[valid talon]

What?

[wet seal]

That doesnt sound easy to program

[valid talon]

Ik.

[wet seal]

What hell do instead of walking?

Clawling?

[valid talon]

But it would make it so much better.

[fringe torrent]

No, it'd be busted.

[valid talon]

Just add it into the gib system. So like when the flesh isn't on the floor of the demon it limps

Foot not floor

[fringe torrent]

You could do this to every enemy and pretty much GGs. Combat isn't meant to make you OP, it's to be balanced... unless you're on NM.

[serene stone]

Also 2016 had weak spots (pinky backs, and Cacodemon eyes, and headshots) just wasn't nearly as developed or focused as Eternal's.

[valid talon]

It'd be hard to program tho .

[wet seal]

Doom 2016 will stay that badass looking game you see in drama videos in 2017.
Doom eternal will stay a genre changer

[valid talon]

I like talking.

[fringe torrent]

I meant weak spots that disable an enemy's function, or instantly stagger them. Would like to see weak spots utilised like one of Wolf2's enemies where you have to shoot its three weak spots for it to explode.

[valid talon]

Are you stating doom 2016 is worse than eternal?

[fringe torrent]

Eternal was riskier is all.

[wet seal]

No, its not objectively better or worse then eternal because the appeals and strength of each game is different

[valid talon]

That's fair

[wet seal]

Doom 2016 is overall a better consistent experience.
While doom eternal is super special and has better graphics

[fringe torrent]

Better graphics is arguable.

2016 looked better in a lot of places. Eternal's Pinky is lifeless compared to the 2016 one for example.

But they also mostly look the same.

[wet seal]

Nah it definitely has better graphics, its smoother sharper and even runs better then d2016 id your computer aint a potato…
But you are right when you say the visuals in doom 2016 can be in a certain way more impressive

They posses more detail and particle effects in doom 2016, its also more realistic looking

[valid talon]

I'm so happy. I just saw the mace from the dark ages trailer

[serene stone]

2016 had much better lighting in my opinion.

Eternal's lighting seemed a lot more....flat for lack of a better term. Mostly to give visual clarity and cues in the combat arenas though.

[valid talon]

Finaly a powerfull mele attack

[fringe torrent]

Berserk:

[valid talon]

The power ups aren't everywhere

[fringe torrent]

Eternal was a lot more colorful against 2016's gritty art design too.

[fringe torrent]

But they are melee. And who knows if you get the mace end-game like the crucible.

[valid talon]

That would make me sad.

Very sad

[azure oriole]

You mean the flail?

[valid talon]

Yes.

[serene stone]

Yeah. I think Eternal has a bit of a plastic toy fantasy look if that makes sense.

I mean it looks good, but that's just the vibe I get from it.

[valid talon]

I don't know medieval weapons

[azure oriole]

Hah, casual. I was there. The bubonic plague was nothin

[fringe torrent]

Eternal was probably also less detailed in some places as the player would fly by.

[valid talon]

Eternal mele is like a toy hammer. Unless it's blood punch witch is like a grenade

[wet seal]

Thats correct, the visuals in eternal are not great when it comes to: details, atmosphere, texture choices, enemy design, artistically doom 2016 takes the cake, maybe except color verity is grand in eternal.

But the graphics are unquestionably smoother and sharper

[valid talon]

2016s Mele was better but not actually doing good damage

Also did you guys see the eternal pistol?

[fringe torrent]

What? 2016 melee was fuckin' epic. What do you mean not doing good damage?

[valid talon]

I wish they kept it in.

[wet seal]

Yeah I definitely prefer the overall art design in doom 2016, where space station looked like space station and demons looked real

[serene stone]

I think when you do blood punch stacking with armor and health pick up pools, Eternal's melee wins by far

[fringe torrent]

It'd be useless with limited ammo.

[wet seal]

I would also say most of the weapons and textures look better too

[azure oriole]

2016’s textures and shadow effects really weren’t that great

Eternal is definitely much better technically

[fringe torrent]

I disagree.

[wet seal]

They definitely were, they just werent very sharp or smooth

[azure oriole]

The textures were muddy as hell

[valid talon]

It could make a instant glory kill but it didn't even stagger an enemy like not in the glory kill stagger state but mid attack it could have a small push back

[azure oriole]

You can argue that Eternal’s artstyle is worse but that’s completely subjective

[wet seal]

True sometimes, but when you wait for them to fully load they look beautiful, cant say the same for eternal

[serene stone]

Can't say I agree.

Can consistently beat Blood Swamps or SGN ML for example without deaths.

But VEGA train battle, even on Ultra Violence still kicks my ass.

Also I still find the last two arenas of Argent D'Nur quite brutal, but Final Sin is easy as pie.

I'd say Hugo Martin was cooking on the Cultist Base stream when he said that

[fringe torrent]

What?

[valid talon]

Yo vega having a tutorial would be cool.

[fringe torrent]

2016 melee did all of that.

[fringe torrent]

... what tutorial? Huh?

[azure oriole]

But yeah going to just come out and say I don’t think Doom 2016 is actually that good looking of a game, especially in the Mars/UAC levels

[valid talon]

I wish that a mele could have a chance to knock back enemies

[azure oriole]

Technically it’s fine but the art direction is painfully mediocre for most of it

[fringe torrent]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it does that.

[fringe torrent]

I thought 2016 was beautiful. To each their own I suppose.

[valid talon]

So vega would say "press B to mele" or "press right bumper to shoot"

[serene stone]

Agreed. They were exceptional.

[valid talon]

I feel as though I'm confusing you all

[azure oriole]

Exceptional textures lol

[fringe torrent]

That would break the 4th wall in a painful way. I hate when games do that. Also it's right trigger.

[valid talon]

My friend plays doom with right bumper on double jump 😬 😬

[azure oriole]

I like the first two hell levels in 2016 a lot visually but the outside of those 2 the game never reaches those heights again

[valid talon]

The fucking maniac

[fringe torrent]

Right after the second Hell level is VEGA Central Processing which I find beautiful.

[wet seal]

They are exaptional and look beautiful, metal looks like metal, rock looks like rock, and glass look like glass, the graphics engine sometimes doesn’t load them as fast or smooth as eternal as all

[azure oriole]

LMAO

“Metal looks like metal, rock looks like rock”

[serene stone]

I think Argent D'Nur, and the blue Hell part of Necropolis (exterior side near the end with the Icon of Sin wall) has the best looking Hell areas in 2016

[valid talon]

Well it's worser than rock looks like paint

[wet seal]

Im saying that cause in eternal a lot of the texture look like plastic

[serene stone]

Also the second phase of the Cyberdemon boss fight in Hell reminds me of DOOM 3.

[slow spear]

Doom 2016 looks good but its hard to look at its enviroments after playing eternal

[ripe raven]

Archville is totally the most awesome character and isn’t annoying at all

[serene stone]

Same for the lighting really

[valid talon]

I hate archvile.

[slow spear]

Eternal enviroments are much nicer looking design wise IMO

[fringe torrent]

I think both are amazing. The environments just differ often.

[ripe raven]

As you should

[fringe torrent]

Archie rules, motherfuckers!

[valid talon]

They should make a mod where archviles spawn archviles. It would suck

[serene stone]

I love the Archvile, though I prefer his presence and usage in Doom II WADs compared to Eternal

[azure oriole]

It’s really only Urdak that looks like this

[wet seal]

Look at the imp in doom 2016, the textures of it, his back, his arms his eyes, then look at the imp in eternal..
Clearly the textures in doom 2016 are way more vibrant and fitting

[valid talon]

Yeah that's true

[fringe torrent]

2016's Hell Knight is also way nicer IMO. No eyes sells it.

[azure oriole]

The only thing the eternal version is lacking is the glowing eyes

Otherwise the design is actually better

[serene stone]

A lot of 2016's multiplayer maps were just as colorful, if not more so than Eternal's.

Boneyard is Super Gore Nest on steroids.

Also it had Maykr statues and Maykr-esque environments

[fringe torrent]

2016's Imp was slicker. The Eternal one feels too smooth and dry.

[wet seal]

Yeah textures are pretty bad at time in urdak, sometimes they are straight up low detail, but at least the overall image looks good and its the prettiest level in doom eternal

[azure oriole]

I wouldn’t say that’s inherently worse

[slow spear]

During the second encounter thing in world spear there was an archvile I couldnt find for like a minute but he didnt spawn any demons just flame effects

He was literally standing still doing nothing when I found him

[wet seal]

That was actually crazy, I had disbelief how beautiful the doom 2016 mp maps were, especially cause they are more diverse with color

[slow spear]

Just the idle stance

[fringe torrent]

Yeah, you may be right. It shows off the engine capabilities off for 2016 though.

[serene stone]

Urdak is weird.

I don't really like the architecture and structures. (Too busy, noisy, messy, and overdesigned)

But I really like the skybox, floating rings, and destroyed ruins aspects of itm

The Maykr architecture/structures itself I'm not big on

[fringe torrent]

I used to play 2016 on PC and the MP there was alive and I loved it. Gameplay and stuff, but I also loved the maps. They were all so unique and awesome and I could memorize all of them perfectly and enjoy every detail. Boneyard was my favorite.

[valid talon]

Anyway I'm going to go speedrun a random game

[wet seal]

Such beautiful map

[serene stone]

I can't remember what it was called, but 2016 also had a MP map that looked like Blood Swamps

[wet seal]

I wish we’ll finally have a death match mp for dark ages

[cerulean mulch]

Ello

[serene stone]

Also Empyrian, Orbital, and Argent Breach are straight up Maykr lol

[fringe torrent]

Try looking here for it?

Nevermind, it has no images.

[serene stone]

It was a DLC map. That article was before the DLCs

[wet seal]

Its crazy how the mayker and sentinel maps in doom 2016 mp look way better then the mayker and sentinal maps in eternal

I loved that freaking teaser in those mp maps

[serene stone]

Probably because of 2016's better lighting and renderings IMO.

Fun fact; first Marauder art work showed him on Argent Breach

[wet seal]

The problem is how it leads to eternal, the environment show case the wraith as same as the maykers, but they separated them in eternal for some reason

[serene stone]

Yeah Eternal definitely retconned some things lol

[fringe torrent]

Eternal did tons of retcons but also connected the universe with the classic games. Too bad it also added so much other hard-to-understand stuff...

[wet seal]

Shame, orbital looked so cool.

[serene stone]

TAG 2 in particular decided to make it into Marvel Avengers fan fiction lol

[azure oriole]

I’m assuming you’re only making that comparison because of that one scene

[fringe torrent]

Yeah. I enjoyed a lot of what Eternal brought in but it's tough to understand. Wolfenstein did the opposite by taking out the paranormal stuff in the newer entries. Except for The Old Blood, for some reason.

[azure oriole]

I think the plot of Eternal is easy enough to understand it’s just some of the background lore is too vague for my liking

[serene stone]

Nope. The whole Dark Lord and Immora stuff in general was ridiculous, look at the goofy ending lol.

Also The Holt, Samur, the Seraphim , and the Igmore's Sanctum was already heading into this beyond goofy direction IMO lol

[fringe torrent]

I mean I skip over the codexes so I shouldn't speak much of the lore but it took me a year to understand what those funny coins did.

[azure oriole]

I don’t really understand what’s ridiculous about Davoth or Immora

[fringe torrent]

Not saying it's the game's fault, as I said, I skipped the codexes.

[azure oriole]

I won’t go out on a limb for handsome squidward but still

[serene stone]

Also Davoth needs a goofy edgy mech to fight Doomguy lmfao for some reason.

[azure oriole]

Because he’s weakened

[fringe torrent]

Davoth has no Praetor suit.

Slayer also needed a resistant suit to fight him, difference is Davoth's one is bigger.

[serene stone]

Davoth with a Praetor suit would have been cooler actually.

[azure oriole]

Maybe

[fringe torrent]

The Scarlet suit would look neat.

[azure oriole]

Still, as is he’s perfectly okay. I just think his status as the ultimate dark lord meant people had higher expectations (and rightfully so)

[fringe torrent]

I really like his suit design but I wish it was a bit closer to the Icon of Sin where you just shred him to pieces with your bullets. That wouldn't make for the most fair fight though, and as he's smaller than the Icon, the tearing would probably be hard to implement.

[wet seal]

Bruh doom eternal shouldve been completely different lore and plot wise honestly.

The game should’ve started from the end of the last one, you should’ve fought against Samuel hayden not the priests that you dont know about..
The priests shouldve been teased through the campaign as you are passing through claimed earth, then you defeat Samuel, then deag grav revealed and you fight the icon, THEN THE DLCS..
You go after him and you discover the other hell priest, the wraiths and “heaven” gets teased, you defeat the priests.
And find out about the dark lord.
Next DLC you fight the dark lord with the help of heaven.

It definitely shouldve been that simple as that, the story would’ve been more impactful, easier to bloody write and more awesome.

[serene stone]

True, but the mech itself is just goofy AF lol

There are mods that make it dark, and it always looks a lot better

[austere bronze]

Not high enough🥱

[azure oriole]

Balancing is hard

[austere bronze]

I could've balanced the mods and runes better than id did...

At least it's more balanced than 2016

[fringe torrent]

2016: here's infinite ammo as long as you play your cards right
2016 later: here's a rune to help you play your cards right

[azure oriole]

I mean that’s easy to say when you’ve had years to test out all of the strategies and reflect on what works the best and what doesn’t. There’s a lot of moving parts during development and there’s only so much playtesting done, especially if time is limited and stress is high. It could just be incompetence or a mix of both but I’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[austere bronze]

I have not even played eternal for 1 year

[azure oriole]

I’m assuming you learned the best strategies from other veterans when you started

[austere bronze]

Not really, all the tips I took was how to quick switch and punch swap

It's not hard to see that eternals mods are very unbalanced

[azure oriole]

Regardless doesn’t really disprove my point lol. Grinding away day and night on refining strategies for the most optimal runs is just inherently different to balancing in development.

[austere bronze]

And even if they couldn't have made it better on release, they still updated the game

[azure oriole]

Sure

Definitely some missed opportunities there

[austere bronze]

And while they were still updating the game it was well known how unbalanced the mods, weapons and runes were

[austere bronze]

An entire team couldn't find the unbalanced stuff that I found in a couple months?

[fringe torrent]

The team was working on other aspects of the game, you were grinding away all the time. Not really a fair comparison.

[austere bronze]

I found out how unbalanced stuff were in maybe... 70 hours?

[fringe torrent]

Exactly?

[austere bronze]

It's clear how much better lock-on is, it's clear how much better the shield is etc etc

[fringe torrent]

I get what you mean but they were busy with other aspects. You were right about them being able to nerf it though.

[austere bronze]

They didn't have 70 hours to playtest?

[fringe torrent]

Actually, yeah, 70 hours isn't that much, especially since they had a bunch of playtesters over. My argument half-sucks. Sorry about that.

[azure oriole]

You’re kind of not getting the point. As a player you’re hyper focused on this one aspect of game design for the highest levels of play. Even if imbalances were found they may not have been deemed severe enough to change because of the skill level most players are at means shit like the auto shotgun and plasma rifle are not unusable lol.

I wouldn’t be too surprised if that’s the perspective many of the devs took on balancing

Though some of the mods do feel tacked on yes

[serene stone]

I will say that COVID did affect a lot of their plans. Something to keep in mind

[austere bronze]

Eternal was released in 2020, the same year covid broke out, can't have been too much changed

[austere bronze]

I mean, it wouldn't be that hard to balance most stuff for a higher level of play also

[fringe torrent]

COVID broke out late 2019