doom-eternal

[spring panther]

i find it funny how the imprisoned demons on sentinel prime can be hit with a single melee and instantly die

[candid wagon]

icon of sin is impresionant

[spring panther]

im not even talking about the icon of sin

[spring panther]

and speaking of sentinel prime the 2nd phase gladiator got stuck doing its long range melee attack so i had absolutely zero stun window

only boss that i used sentinel armor to beat

[azure oriole]

does anyone know a bindswapper controller player?

[steel hull]

Yes

[burnt moss]

Many people swap binds

[azure oriole]

i wanna watch videos of them

[lofty estuary]

bruh it baffled me when someone on ps5 changed their jump to circle

[azure oriole]

pure bind swap is insanely hard

idk how ppl do it

[coarse gulch]

do i bother with finishing the game on nightmare then doing my UN or do i just go into UN (im used to UV)

[fallen heart]

why ?

u'd still have to get thumb of aim stick to jump lol

[spring panther]

go on nightmare and keep practicing to prepare for UN

nightmare demons do twice as much damage compared to UV

[coarse gulch]

thx

[azure oriole]

nightmare is a significant difficulty spike from uv

so its best you practice more first

[spring panther]

i may or may not have binded 4 weapons to each button on the d-pad

rapid weapon swapping for the price of crucible and modswapping

[azure oriole]

how u get "???" milestone it has no description of how to get it i really wanna see that super shotgun and ballista skin u can get from it

[rose thistle]

beat the DLC levels on nightmare

just regular nightmare, you can die

[azure oriole]

for the milestone?

nvm thanks i understand

Seraphim boss fight making me rage

[spring panther]

use PB + ballista on samur

[spring panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964472230379679806/1236872042901409842/a873b488-a8bd-49a9-ae9f-ec420415a1fa.mp4?ex=6639965a&is=663844da&hm=c61fe16ae8ed6ea7987160375af5bfa223ac4322f493362807d8b6a672b6e9c0& i got one

[twilit shale]

y r ur guns centerd wtf

mb its not critisim

[burnt moss]

Me too and I haven’t even done it in a year or two. That fight is terrible.

[inland kite]

samuel no maiden

[austere bronze]

I actually liked the fight

Thought it was one of the better ones

[lyric lodge]

Well, not me cuz i use claw grip but it does technically get my index off the weapon wheel making quickswapping while jumping a bit hard

[serene stone]

Gladiator is the only Eternal boss I like

[lyric lodge]

10x more engaging than the dark lord

[serene stone]

Anybody is, to be fair

[azure oriole]

not really what im looking for

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1230715102961864726/1236798234266042389/Video_sans_titre_Realisee_avec_Clipchamp_6.mp4?ex=6639519d&is=6638001d&hm=f81679ada2005bff936d6753f1d9de716c35aa4eeef8dfdce2b699a6ca498fd3& more like pc level of quickswap, although i still rely on quickswap button instead of full bind

[young mango]

the dark lord is such an unengaging bossfight especially in speedruns where you do the same combo multiple times in a row

[young mango]

world spear- have good execution
Reclaimed- have good execution, some RNG
Immora- have good execution
Dark lord- literally just RNG

[azure oriole]

why is hook so bugged

literally loses all momentum and die

[serene stone]

Meathook do be really buggy indeed.

[silk wagon]

anyone know how to get the gold shotgun more casually? i beat the master level first on nightmare and confidently dont want to do it over and over again due to stress and required commitement to do it all in one go

[young mango]

like wdym? the meathooks physics are fairly consistent imo

[azure oriole]

when i hook sometimes it does nothing at all, thats probably cuz i get pushed right after

[serene stone]

I think they mean how it randomly breaks or it gets delayed for some reason.

Which happens a lot for me. But also seen it happen to Hmmmp and LighyningBreak a lot (Even if nothing is in the way too)

[serene stone]

T0yOta too

[young mango]

yea getting hit breaks the chain, also in patches before 6.2, pickups like health armor and ammo could interfere with the ability to lock on, and in some cases even act as collision that made projectiles collide with the pickups instead of the enemy

so it was a lot more common before, but for people playing on current patch, it’s quite consistent

[azure oriole]

its a setting

[young mango]

something that shocked me and I didn’t know this until I started speedrunning somehow, is pretty much any geometry can interfere with the meathook, like it actually has a hitbox and that hitbox breaks when colliding with things, it doesn’t have to be big either, there’s zero grace area system in place, if you have even a spec inbetween that meathook it’s breaking, and most people don’t know this but some blood particles coming off of enemies do Infact have very tiny hitboxes, which can interfere with weapons

[serene stone]

To me it breaks randomly very often. Even when not even getting hit, or nothing getting in the way.

It also will often have a delayed reaction, or turn into a still noodle and finally random active its physics after like 5 seconds

Also randomly attaches to random directions lol

[serene stone]

Sometimes the hook will just randomly go way behind me, or go waaaay to the side

[young mango]

also on an unrelated note speaking of particles having hitboxes, you can make usually non wall dashable surfaces wall dashable because hitting them with explosives literally changes the hitbox

[azure oriole]

is that xbox

on pc using a ps4 controller, no steam binds. idk why it wont detect its a ps4 controller

Use Equipment Fiend

pretty sure i did

[serene stone]

My favorite is when the meathook turns into a permanent stuck spaghetti noodle, and can only be fixed when you switch weapons lol

[azure oriole]

cool rune

[serene stone]

Yeah getting pushed can often break it too. That's true.

[young mango]

it would be if the cap wasn’t so strict

[young mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077069514505728152/1236993376692473866/IMG_8616.png?ex=663a075b&is=6638b5db&hm=999a74e8d1239b2f6e0575b00ecf447ea34597aece7c7248383836262d5145de&

[serene stone]

https://youtu.be/7rf196DhZG8?si=X3YPI7DIxObm5fV7

I get this kinda stuff a lot, but I'm guessing the armor drops is what bugged out T0yOta's meathook here?

[azure oriole]

i kinda understand at the same time confused

[azure oriole]

not many other options anyways

[young mango]

so for reference with fully upgraded equipment, ice bomb is 35 second cooldown, frag grenade is 20 second cooldown, flame belch is 12.5 second cooldown

[azure oriole]

okay

explain rune part what it does again

[serene stone]

https://youtu.be/Wa1EyME7LVY?si=z24rBEL1HltVribl

There also this, I don't think I ever experienced this with a meathook point, only on an enemy lol

[young mango]

wat, you were telling people to use the rune and you don’t know what it does?

[azure oriole]

i do, but like tell me whats the downside

i dont understand much of what your talking about

are you saying its bad or good

[young mango]

I’m saying it’s mediocre

[serene stone]

https://youtu.be/oWmuvBMlhg0?si=c_8AXwuUjkwceigf

Damn, I do have this happen a lot doe

[azure oriole]

oh

reduces cooldown when killing demons with using equipment

[serene stone]

I'm pretty sure LightningBreak used Equipment Fiend

[azure oriole]

or like enemies killed while on fire from flame

should i replace any runes my main are
Blood Fuel, Equipment Fiend, Air Movement Control

not including ancient gods 4th rjne

[young mango]

the only advantage to this is being able to get your frag back if it kills more than one enemy, and getting pretty close with one, and equipment fiend only giving flame belch an extra 28%, and ice bomb an extra 34%, it’s not worth it enough imo for me to use a whole rune slot for it

[azure oriole]

what runes do you use

[serene stone]

I don't really remember why though.

[young mango]

air control, savagery, and blood fueled

[azure oriole]

whats savagery do again

i dont remember most rune names aside from ones i use alot

i only remember what the runes do such as longer stagger or glory kill from far or survive the death blow

oh nevermind

its the faster glory kills right

[serene stone]

That's my exact runes

[serene stone]

Ye

[azure oriole]

Meh faster glory kills means nothing

[serene stone]

To me, glory kills are stale and feel too long and interrupt the flow, but I like the speed boost, hence why I have blood fueled.

I wish savagery affected chainsaw though, it did in 2016, not sure why Eternal changed it. Especially since chainsaw still affects blood fueled.

I think Hugo Martin touched up on the reasoning why in a stream or something, but I don't remember what he said and I probably wouldn't agree with it.

[azure oriole]

Stale for some and not for others

I don’t mind them personally

[azure oriole]

you can kill marauders in one stun without hammer in campaign

Theres infinitie combo tech of super shotgun and ballista where u can use ballita to shoot the floor next to him to do an extra stun to spam super shotgun while keep on stunning him i learned how to do it

[young mango]

gonna use this video from another person as an example because I’m not on a bulldozer patch right now https://youtu.be/wjSzbmEZCMQ?si=8XvSOKYDN-k1xo1B

[azure oriole]

wth

i am very good in doom eternal i can do Ultra Violence and Nightmare and my setup is
Couch
Tv
Xbox
Level 113 in doom eternal on my current account

i use the Lord vs Slayer icon banner thing

[placid robin]

uhhh ok?

[young mango]

Had to flex on us rq idk?

[lofty estuary]

bros coping

[placid robin]

lol

[lyric lodge]

why is bro telling us his life story

[lofty estuary]

its not fair that he gets to play the game easy while i have to work hard for what i have

[placid robin]

wdym

[lofty estuary]

he was responding to the shield marauder video

[placid robin]

ye ik

still dont get it .w.

[lofty estuary]

nvm

[placid robin]

cuz like really good strat?

[lofty estuary]

it made sense at the time and now im rethinking what he actually meant by going on the spiel

[placid robin]

uh

[lofty estuary]

i assume so, it made it sound like he was complaining about how hard he works for it only to see someone 0 cycle with shield

[placid robin]

hehe yeah i cant do that

never tried

[twilit shale]

oh mb ty

[frozen temple]

are the mastery lvls worth to play

or master lvls idk

[patent pond]

I mean they're fun and challenging

If you play it on classic mode you can unlock some new cosmetics

But you don't have to play if you don't want to

[silk wagon]

if you want weapon skins yeah

[past pollen]

Of all things in dark souls you chose the message guy for your pfp

[silk wagon]

yeah, seemed like a pretty fire pfp when i saw it

[azure oriole]

switching to keyboard is so overwhelming

idk how long itll take to get used to it

[spring panther]

classic doom weapon pose

also available in 2016

[unreal flare]

Honestly I can't do without that

It's just not Doom otherwise

It's engrained as part of the brand forever to me

[spring panther]

its not doom if your guns dont come out of your chest

[unreal flare]

EXACTLY 🙏

[frozen temple]

so should i use the centered gun or on the right

[acoustic lark]

Whatever the fuck you like

There is no "should"

[austere bronze]

yes, they are very fun

but you should probably wait with playing them until you're done with the campaign

[frozen temple]

done un already

[austere bronze]

oh alright, then you can use that slot to play the MLs

[worn flower]

Hello everyone! I'm new here! I hope we can Rip and Tear together

[frozen temple]

like a year ago i had trouble on sgn ML but now im going trough the place where you get the crusible on nm

i wanted the gold shotgun skin

[austere bronze]

niceee, that's the hardest base game ML

[frozen temple]

btw how many hours is healthy for playing 3 years

[austere bronze]

idk but if you have played 1 hour every day for 3 years you have 1095 hours in the game

so anything up to like 2200 hours I would consider healthy

[frozen temple]

well i have 500 hours

[glossy warren]

considering you probably play other games thats not like, bad

[austere bronze]

I'm right behind with 400 hours (:

but I haven't even played for 1 year...

[frozen temple]

i got like 300 or 400 on my first year

havent played much since

[austere bronze]

think I've played for about 7 months

7-8 months

[austere bronze]

pretty understandable tbh

[frozen temple]

nobody plays the game with me so it gets boring

only things i have played are trying to 100% un and infinite randomizer

[austere bronze]

you should go ahead and try some modded levels

there are some really fun ones out there, and some not so fun

I'm currently just doing lots of challange runs on these modded levels

[frozen temple]

i might go trough the dlc ML after this

[austere bronze]

actually completed a challenge like 20 min ago

[austere bronze]

good luck with that, that's the hardest one

[frozen temple]

i always forget that im in a fight when i come here and always get low

[frozen temple]

i know

[chrome hollow]

what is the worst(as in you don't like) enemy in doom eternal

your opinion

[austere bronze]

the enemy I like the least is the giant tentacle

or cursed prowler, or marauder

idk, lots to choose from

[frozen temple]

there is alot of them but worst i think is prowler or carcass in a big fight but normally i dont think i have one because alone its easy to target without getting gang banged

example is when fighting 2 marauders prowler tps behind you and gets you low and might have to run for few min unless there is fodders nearby

[austere bronze]

the cursed prowler is like the normal one but worse

[frozen temple]

true

well if that comes with 2 marauders coming from left and right then u are fucked 99% time unless you can meathook to a nearby fodder and get health

[austere bronze]

yeah

I really need to get better with marauders, if you look at me fighting amrauder you wouldn't think I have 400 hours in the game

[frozen temple]

@austere bronze thats so fair when you get put into a small room with 2 archvile behind a wall and alot of demons spawning at the same time

[austere bronze]

lol, that encounter is really annoying

[frozen temple]

you think

[austere bronze]

worst part of my UN run

[frozen temple]

i havent tried un yet because im just going trough the level and seeing how i do

[austere bronze]

yeah, that's smart

the room with the buff totem and the double arhcvile arena are easily the two hardest encounters in taras nabad ML

[frozen temple]

is it at the end cuz i dont remember seeing it yet

[austere bronze]

it's a bit before the double archvile room

there spawns in a buff totem after a certain amount of waves that you can't destroy and it's accompanied by cyber mancubus with some other heavys

[frozen temple]

is it where you get the coin for the crusible

[austere bronze]

yes

[frozen temple]

i didnt see any marauders

only few doom hunters

[austere bronze]

oops, I meant the buff totem room and double archvile room

[frozen temple]

i only remember one d archivile room

and there was no totem

[austere bronze]

I mean that the totem room and double arhcvile room were seperate rooms

[storm field]

Thats the coin room

[frozen temple]

ik now but i were a bit confused

[vagrant owl]

how can u guys spend so much time on eternal

maybe mods?

i only have 100hh

[acoustic lark]

its a good game

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vagrant owl]

good answer but what do you do to have such a long playtime?

[acoustic lark]

0,12€/h
Good value i guess

[vagrant owl]

damn school internet sucks

[acoustic lark]

Replaying the game over and over, used to stream nightmare runs on twitch when the game was new, UN grind, masterlevels, battlemode, DLC's, getting all achievements, etc.

Theres a lot to do :D

[austere bronze]

Yes

Majority of my time is spent on modded levels

And you get a lot of hours from just going from ITYTD to Nightmare which I did

[vagrant owl]

"Theres a lot to do"
man this is a focused singleplayer game and they still COOKED and made it a big game with lots of content and its hard to get bored

[young mango]

😛

[magic spruce]

Yo i'm currently stuck in Taras Nabad,specifically when the Archvile is there(i play on playstation 4)

[austere bronze]

Yes

[spring panther]

carcass

[spring panther]

consider using the lock on burst on the archvile

[magic spruce]

Alr will do

[worn terrace]

QuakeCon offically announced, maybe next doom game at showcase June 9th. Pray - with unveil at QC 2024

[spring panther]

lob does absurd dps

[chrome hollow]

send them prayers

[storm field]

Freeze+lock on twice or Bfg him if he spawns far away, archvile dies Bfg tendril+splash damage

[magic spruce]

Okay thx

[vagrant owl]

@serene stonehey just wanted to say hi

u love cacodemon and i love pain elemental

both are perfect

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189631720509673472/1237100331901521980/image.png?ex=663a6af7&is=66391977&hm=8a8a34523a28114f2061ac333a39224fcd66883ddb17180cbdef3cc9255209d7&

heh cacodemon :P

[chrome hollow]

nah

cocodemon

[glossy warren]

🙏

[muted harness]

Exultia, before meeting the betrayor right ?

[glossy warren]

yup

[magic spruce]

Is Unmaykr worth it?

[muted harness]

No

but the combat is fun

[placid robin]

i was about to show my playtime but-

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159461005672321057/1237110665802551306/image.png?ex=663a7497&is=66392317&hm=8070abe23c873aeeff87f09af44320a12f7e5a27c5dd7ee00dec29018e0bc957&
where tf is de

i have 82 hours on it-
OH ITS IN A CATEGORY-

is that why?

[magic spruce]

Most likely yes

[placid robin]

ok the only difference when selecting all games is de being third place

[frozen temple]

any ideas what to do in eternal?

or mods to try out

[muted harness]

After the game ?

[frozen temple]

mods after you have done both dlcs and campgain on un

[young mango]

de is my first place and it’s not even close

[placid robin]

well mind tf2 ig

[young mango]

The most hours I’ve put into a game that ISNT doom eternal is zelda BOTW at about 345 hours, eternal is currently 1657 hours

[austere bronze]

The perfect tower 2🔥

[placid robin]

u know it?

[austere bronze]

Yes

[placid robin]

used to play it lots

[austere bronze]

Have like 30 min in it, from like 6 months ago tho

[placid robin]

stopped about a year ago tho

[past pollen]

930 hours on tf2 😭

[placid robin]

yes? :3

940 is closer :3c

[past pollen]

Eh I have 300 hours on one elden ring character

My time is higher than that though

[placid robin]

damn

[vagrant owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189631720509673472/1237127404678545418/image.png?ex=663a842d&is=663932ad&hm=03a1df5dbfa73b631b85a06cdcb5a4eb03eefdf95e5fe42f4f7f40d2a5542fe7&

[past pollen]

Thats fucked up

[vagrant owl]

my friend plays on a competitive team and i only have 1,4K hours on tf2

[past pollen]

Thats 220 days

[vagrant owl]

he lost literally 1 year of his life playing tf2

[young mango]

yep, 63% of a year, cooked im afraid

[serene stone]

Coco melon

[chrome hollow]

fr

[spring panther]

managed to break the marauder ai in its entirety

it just follows me now apparently

[dense reef]

There was one moment in the last bonus mission of Mission 2 in Horde Mode where the Marauder was trapped in a loop of not attacking whatsoever

He would only run and dash around me, even getting up in my grill, and would occasionally deploy his shield or the spirit wolf, it was really tough to register that I was hurting him

This lasted for literally 10 minutes until I finally could glory kill him and finish the round.

[spring panther]

this marauder was trapped in a loop of no attack and no summoning

[dense reef]

Similar but he was summoning the wolf occasionally

[spring panther]

i had to shield bulldoze to actually end the arena

so it was about 90 seconds of marauder friend

[dense reef]

It was annoying since because he wouldn't attack, it was tough for me to know if I was damaging him.

I was able to see that I was shooting chunks of flesh off him but after 10 minutes he finally got staggered

And no he wasn't possessed by the Spirit. This is a Marauder who shows up alongside a Spirit possessed Pain Elemental

[spring panther]

i was on one of the final sin arenas when this happened

[dense reef]

Ah

Mine was in Horde Mode on the last round of Reclaimed Earth

Speaking of the Marauder I took him out in the Arc complex campaign in literally under a minute on Ultra Violence.

I expected to lose the only 1 up I had or die at least once

The issue I found is the whole "Super Shotgun + Ballista + Super Shotgun" combo is by the time I've switched for the second SSG shot, he's left his stunned state and deploys his shield right away

So I can only land two shots

[spring panther]

ssg + pb is more effective to an extent

because the heavy cannon deploys and holsters faster than the ballista

with hot swapper you can land maybe 4 shots

[dense reef]

Ah

[austere bronze]

Yes, you can land 2 PB shots and 2 SSG shots

Although SSG+ballista+SSG deals 60 more damage

[spring panther]

60 damage is 60 damage

[austere bronze]

Fr

It's about 1 heavy cannon shot extra in damage

[young mango]

actually, marauder has a resistance towards ballista that makes him take 750 damage instead of 860, whereas precision bolt does normal damage, so you’d actually be missing out on 50 damage

[austere bronze]

Oh, didn't know that

Basically an extra plasma rifle bullet worth of damage if you do pb ssg

[young mango]

also the fact that you could open with precision during your ssg cycle because the green light opening never deals full damage, i don’t know the exact numbers ( neither does the spreadsheet) on greenlight damage but here’s a close guesstimate, if you started with pb then did ssg pb ssg you’d do around 2020 damage, as opposed to doing ssg ballista ssg and doing around 1,762.5 damage

[empty basin]

can't you just test it with ai_debughealth 3 ? 🤔

[young mango]

im not even at my pc rn 😭

those numbers are pulled out of my ass though, I had the dark Lord greenlight numbers on hand and applied any marauder resistances accordingly

[spring panther]

anyway just beat eternal on nightmare

[dense reef]

Nice

Speaking of the final boss. What do you guys think is the worst enemy combo to deal with when fighting the Icon of Sin?

I don't know why, but Hell Knights and Pain elementals are a real nuisance combo

And here I thought the Icon summoning both Mancubi variants was annoying

[spring panther]

barons and cyber mancs

[dense reef]

Oh that's a bad time. That's what I save my Crucible and if necessary, full Chainsaw fuel for

Crucible for the Barons, and you can chainsaw Cyber Mancubi if you have 3 fuel

[spring panther]

i did not use the crucible at all in my nightmare campaign

[dense reef]

Damn that's impressive.

[spring panther]

because i unbinded it for quick switching

[young mango]

i think I just ignored them during the icon fight for the most part

[young mango]

crucible is so situational outside of slash cancelling

[spring panther]

true

[dense reef]

It is rather easy to ignore until they're shooting your back or the Baron gets right in your face

[spring panther]

i used to also have the bfg binded to a press of the left joystick

exchanged that for grenade swapping

[dense reef]

Also are those theories that the Icon is actually speaking in Eternal true??

Because I swear two times I've heard him mumble "Slayer"

[spring panther]

he does say slayer

[dense reef]

I KNEW IT

[spring panther]

and he does have voicelines

[young mango]

just move around the arena and have some situational awareness wat

[spring panther]

the icon is also voiced by the marauder voice actor iirc

[young mango]

or just abuse airtime, there’s a bajillion jumppads

[dense reef]

My hypothesis is maybe, just maybe, Valen's son is actually like a secondary consciousness inside the Titan and he's reaching out to the Slayer to be like "put us out of our misery"

I know we destroy the heart but there could be a chance for the mind to have been transferred

[young mango]

that can’t be true because valens son is freed at the beginning of Urdak

[dense reef]

Ah. It was a thought I had since I know that was a plot point where the son was reincarnated as the Icon of Sin

[spring panther]

my nightmare campaign took like 5 days to complete

with about 27 deaths at cultist base (the hardest level in the entire campaign)

[young mango]

Ultra Nightmare Any% is so ass btw, it’s just any% without the checkpoint reloads and more damage

[spring panther]

that does sound very basic

[young mango]

imagine actually having to worry about enemy capping during any%

shit sucks

[spring panther]

true

its truly eternal when battlemode 2.0 takes 5 minutes to queue up

[young mango]

btw the BFG conceptually is such a weird weapon, like its tendrils activating are relative to your distance towards it, if you’re too far the tendrils won’t do their thing

[spring panther]

while knowing that the round will take by average 3 minutes

[empty basin]

Huh I never knew that, I guess they're referencing the classic BFG mechanics in more ways than one

[sick rapids]

Can someone make DOOM eternal server. I haven’t played co-op in forever.

[serene stone]

Flame belch into double shot Arbalest, into SSG punch swaps with blood punch chains

[young mango]

Wat

This message was out of context

[serene stone]

A strat that's too beautiful

[young mango]

okay but for like what situation/enemy

[serene stone]

It works for a lot, atleast my execution, hard to name specifics.

I guess just general crowd control idk

[young mango]

???

two thin projectiles followed by a close range weapon being spammed sounds more like focusing down a specific enemy to me than crowd control

[serene stone]

Double Arbalest combined with flame belch and flaming meathook on the ground has a big enough AoE to kill grouped up fodder and/or hurt enemies to get a fuck ton of armor to fly at you so you can start a blood punch frenzy

Especially on TAG 2 when you combine it with the hammer

[glossy warren]

erm

[young mango]

okay two counterpoints to that, if you need to wipe out a bunch of fodder, why do all that when you could just spam sticky bombs, or if you’re trying to be ultra efficient, just a single dblade

[serene stone]

That won't let you start the same type of blood punch frenzy and style as what I'm talking about and blood punch frenzies are satisfying.

This isn't about "the most efficient" it's about fun and style.

[young mango]

okay I guess, then what’s the ssg for?

[serene stone]

You're already blood punching when you punch swap with the SSG so it adds to the fun and style.

[young mango]

yea but it’s not really hitting much in that situation, don’t you at least wanna conserve ammo?

[serene stone]

And since the SSG kills them faster, it also makes armor drops come faster, allowing even more blood punch chains.

[serene stone]

You don't have to waste or shoot the whole time lol, it's throwing an SSG punch swap every now and then

I see Sylar do a similar strat, not with a double Arbalest start, but some blood punch chains with SSG punch swaps I've seen him do.

[solar mural]

Hey guys, installed Super Slayer Overhaul and Doomguy is now OP af. Regular levels are a piece of cake for now. The only proteh randomizer seems to crash my game at 90% loading, does anyone know of any other randomizer mods?

[hoary temple]

Here in 2024, I can accurate that it's doing the same thing for me 🥲

[empty basin]

Yeah proteh's Randomizer is outdated and no longer works.
As far as I know, Anny's Eventide Randomizer is the most up-to-date randomizer there is, you can download it from the modding discord: #696422512501719040 message

[burnt moss]

Hey guys, what’s the best first rune?

[muted harness]

Air control

[burnt moss]

Thought so; I got air control haha

[azure oriole]

I feel compelled to rant about air control but I think ultimately it would be quite pointless

[muted harness]

Why ?

[azure oriole]

I don't consider it a worthwhile use of a slot

[muted harness]

Ohhhhh, well u can choose others, I like air control, savagery, blood punch drop health, stagger longer, launch glory kill from farther

It's hard to choose between them

[burnt moss]

Well I spend most of my time airborne so it’s pretty critical imo

Hey wasn’t there an upgrade that decreases dash refresh time?

[serene stone]

I think they mean it shouldn't be in place with a rune

[strange gale]

being forced to play with air control on would be a war crime

[lofty estuary]

what?

should i just be okay with not moving around faster and more accurately in the air?

[strange gale]

it should stay a rune

[lofty estuary]

well yeah idk why it wouldnt

[strange gale]

n i don't want that shit anywhere near my rune slots

[lofty estuary]

boy you're a picky eater huh

[serene stone]

Why not an option in the settings to toggle it on or off

[muted harness]

should it be on or off by default ?

[serene stone]

Probably off I guess. Or it brings up a prompt when you play the game for the first time if you want it enabled or not, and informs you that you can change it later in the settings.

[serene stone]

Or you can unlock/find some sorta air control boots/item like you how you pick up the double jump boots in 2016 from Argent Energy Tower for example, and then you can activate or disable them when you want.

[serene stone]

So you wouldn't just have air control at the beginning of the game.

[lofty estuary]

i dont get what the big deal is, i find the ability to not change direction mid air is annoying but i do think it should stay a rune

[austere bronze]

Yes

[serene stone]

Come to think about it, it's a bit surprising that double jump isn't a rune.

Just something by default in Eternal, and boots you pick up in 2016.

[lofty estuary]

i wonder if they're either gonna put blood punch in the next doom game or trash it

[lyric lodge]

A difficulty setting like that is weird. It fits as a rune

[lyric lodge]

Its a double jump. A rune wouldnt make sense. It would kinda make sense as a praetor upgrade tho

[muted harness]

Nuh uh bro, the first game without double jump is too much

[lyric lodge]

Wdym too much

[muted harness]

Too hard

[lyric lodge]

2016 or 1993 lmao

[muted harness]

Hoe, exultia too much without double jump

[lyric lodge]

Ohhh yeah i get that

[lyric lodge]

Well, if it was a praetor upgrade youd think theyd reduce the difficulty

This is just an if

[neat axle]

hello im stuck

[empty basin]

Having Double Jump be a rune would mean that they'd have to redesign not just platforming sections, but also arenas entirely, since it would have to account for both players who are and are not using the rune.

The game is made with Double Jump in mind, so it is not at all surprising that this isn't the case.

[neat axle]

there are 2 giant things they move in a place they have elctricity

idk what to do

[serene stone]

Just a setting, not a difficulty.

I mean aim assist is already part of the settings

[lyric lodge]

Yeah, but something that entirely changes your movement as a setting is nonsensical

[serene stone]

I guess?

It's basically the same as enabling auto run in classic Doom or disabling it

I don't really how a rune is any more logical than a setting. They're about the same

[lyric lodge]

Except thats just building off of an already existing mechanic

[lyric lodge]

A setting should be personal preference, a rune is an upgrade changing certain parts of the game

[serene stone]

I already said you could pick up some boots in a later mission that grants you the ability to use air control but disable it if you want to

Just like how you grab double jump boots in 2016

[serene stone]

That would technically still be an upgrade

[lyric lodge]

maybe

[serene stone]

But many games do stuff like that anyway....in Halo 5, you could turn off air control in the settings for example

[serene stone]

I think it was some air stabilizer thing but still

[nocturne lynx]

Aim assist in "Eternal" feels kinda useless tbh.

[lyric lodge]

Woah i finally hit exactly 100 hours on doom eternal

[azure oriole]

I only played for 64.2 hours.

[lime spindle]

nobody playing battlemode? tried joining a match yesterday but nothing

[serene stone]

I played 1,400 hours

[wintry solar]

I will try after learning a bit the game haha, Im afraid of PvP after seeing guys on youtube doing crazy moves

[wary scaffold]

Bro, I'm about to get the crucible blade on eternal

[smoky lily]

Crucible with infinite ammo makes me happy

[vital spindle]

Real

[frozen temple]

is the award for beating TN ML on un worth it if you have the WS ML un award

[lyric lodge]

Theyre pretty similar in terms of difficulty(from what ive heard) so maybe

[frozen temple]

i mean from what i have seen the WS is harder

so personally i dont think but if i should get the TN 1

[austere bronze]

It's harder, I did every ML challenge because why not and I wanted skins

I haven't done WS more than once tho because it's crashed 3/4 times and now I just can't be bothered anymore

[vagrant owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189631720509673472/1237100289002180669/image.png?ex=663b13ad&is=6639c22d&hm=ba67c3ce3ea5b8a8efa2d35876febdb8a4dac9d999e322681dbdd7301e27faea&

[left grove]

guys how do i make my super shotgun strechted out

[vagrant owl]

use mods

[left grove]

but it just makes it slightly better

[vagrant owl]

still dont know what are u talking about

[left grove]

like you can see more of your arm then the super shotgun

[vagrant owl]

u mean field of view?

[left grove]

view model

[vagrant owl]

oh

[young mango]

why did you reply to somebodies hour count with a random picture of the pain elemental toy, it’s seemingly out of context, did I miss something?

[vagrant owl]

dont know

[vagrant owl]

im just random

[patent pond]

Relatable

But like why do people like the field of view so wide and narrow? How does that help?

[tacit aspen]

Wide and narrow? Both at the same time?

[patent pond]

I don't know but I just want to know why do people have their field of view Max the fuck out how does that help

[tacit aspen]

Ah. Yes it does. I guess they want to see more, spot all enemies when they can. It's the same with prey animals vs predators, compare a bunny with its eyes on the sides of its head, it can spot dangers all around itself, a cat can focus better with its eyes forward. I need to search, there was a great picture somewhere

[patent pond]

Okay but now that makes me more confused

I mean you spot enemies all of them which is cool but like can't they just turn around

Is literally one button to turn around

[austere bronze]

Looks better+you can see more

[patent pond]

How does that look better

[tacit aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183398655789649962/1237396598103740578/main-qimg-2d1bfbf35f759caf91897d63a8b39583.jpg?ex=663b7ee2&is=663a2d62&hm=67e57840c903aa839b70ada6789d133d90151c24754142444958dd10c42790a1&=&format=webp&width=1539&height=726

[patent pond]

That is terrifying

[tacit aspen]

That cat has a large blind spot. The FOV of the bunny is higher, so not much blindness around its body left, if at all

[austere bronze]

Idk, just looks better to me, and it's nice being able to see many things

[tacit aspen]

It helps survival

In a way you're a prey animal in Eternal, so

[patent pond]

That picture alone makes me not like it more

I'm just going to stick to normal field of vision

[young mango]

because it increases your situational awareness, what if you’re prioritizing an enemy so heavy at 90° but there’s an even bigger threat in that 30° that you’re missing out on that catches you off guard?

It’s not a huge advantage but i wouldn’t call it negligible

[patent pond]

But isn't that kind of lazy

It kind of brings the challenge out of it

[young mango]

oh my god I have to explain field of view to somebody

[patent pond]

I'm confused

[young mango]

I’m genuinely convinced you’re playing dumb, you don’t genuinely go by this logic do you?

[patent pond]

I just played the game normally

[young mango]

changing a video setting is still playing the game normally

[blissful vale]

well, if fov were realistic in games, they would be far wider than they allow

[austere bronze]

Isn't it kind of lazy to not only use the combat shotgun through the entire campaign?

[blissful vale]

whats max fov in doom? 110? humans have what, 170

although to be fair doomguy has a helmet

[young mango]

if you want to get technical, humans have 180° field of view, however 60° of that is peripheral, 30° on both sides

[blissful vale]

it varies from person to person, so i stic to 170

[tacit aspen]

Video games barely touch what we humans see. Someone posted a great screenshot. This is the normal game view
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1232859440710160465/782330_screenshots_20240423174114_1.jpg?ex=663b7814&is=663a2694&hm=7d541e31fd9beda3d9ec3589912a3d9687cf9277323e31b707b3b242a61faa1a&

[blissful vale]

well, doom hunters have 7 eyes though, thats unfair

[young mango]

who is we? I’m nearsighted as fuck, it doesn’t even matter to me

[tacit aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1232859672243863652/doom_hunter_base_thumbnail.jpg?ex=663b784b&is=663a26cb&hm=308202e2fdf8fd048d8ca6ea755ed9873c65327b29b73643ba127c62dab845cb&
Same scene but using an ultrawide monitor.

[blissful vale]

well, same scene in a 5:4 monitor and you'll only catch his mug

[tacit aspen]

It's a bit better but not nearly as close as what people usually are able to see. That's why panoramic photos are great

[pearl viper]

Is Nightmare mode supposed to spawn you in with like 2 health when you die at random?

[young mango]

I’m gonna give myself 1:1 aspect ratio

[tacit aspen]

Instagram view, I hate it

[young mango]

you’re cooked, no matter what your health is at a checkpoint it’ll give you at least 51 health as a sort of softlock prevention

[blissful vale]

@tacit aspen if somebody gets up on your face, you'd be able to clearly see more than their face

[tacit aspen]

Yeah

[blissful vale]

youd be able to see their torso in fact in most cases

[pearl viper]

My health was full when I left the Doom Hunter room in Nekravol pt2, died to the archvile because I'm trying to do challenges, and I spawned in with low health back in the Hunter room.

[blissful vale]

field view in games is gigantically reduced, sometimes even for performance reasons

[young mango]

classic bethesda moment

[pearl viper]

So glitch D:

[azure oriole]

What’s the worst doom game in y’all’s opinions

[blissful vale]

@tacit aspen have you ever played any re engine game from capcom? the FOV is claustrophobic

its like 20°

[tacit aspen]

No I have not, but damn that sounds evil

[jolly kernel]

which Arch-Vile you guys think is worse: Classic or Eternal?

[pearl viper]

I'm just gunna BFG the next room 😭

[azure oriole]

Eternal

[lyric lodge]

Idk bro classic is prolly worse with the limitations youre given on classic doom

[blissful vale]

@azure oriole worst is doom 3 by far

[azure oriole]

Meh idk IMO 64 is my least favorite

Doom3 has grown on me a little

[blissful vale]

yeah but doom 3 is the least doomish game. It's a horror game, not a fast paced fps. So technically the worst doom.

[azure oriole]

Well worst in what way

[jolly kernel]

Classic Arch-Vile's stats:
very fast movement speed
very low chance of being wounded when taking a hit
high hp compared to most other enemies
highly damaging flame attack that can only be avoided by taking cover
resurrecting almost every enemy except Lost Soul, Pain Elemental and the boss demons

[blissful vale]

in the way that it's the least doomish game of all dooms.

[azure oriole]

It’s not really doom just a horror shooter but that doesn’t make the game bad

Cause idk if it was my controller but doom64 was clunky for me

[tacit aspen]

I like Doom 3 but played just 6 hours so far, still want to finish it. It's very different from the Slayer storyline

[azure oriole]

It is very much different it’s unique tho I hate the unnecessary jumpscares

[pearl viper]

Doom Eternal is only horror to the demons.

[azure oriole]

I have headphones in at max volume and holy sht

[tacit aspen]

It needs some getting used to, flashlight or gun

[blissful vale]

well, if the game isn't like doom, it automatically qualifies as the worst doom type game. Doom 64 may be bad gameplay wise, but it is undeniably doomish. Wether one or the other has redeeming elements does not make it more doomish

[azure oriole]

Make sure you pay attention you can’t just run through

[pearl viper]

I ran through the game 5 times, the game can be speedran easily.

[jolly kernel]

tbh Doom 3 actually has more in common with Classic Doom than 2016 and Eternal do
2016 and Eternal have very linear level design and mostly have the ''locked in an arena until you kill all enemies'' type of fights other fps games like Serious Sam and Painkiller have

[blissful vale]

they are still fast paced FPS

[jolly kernel]

meanwhile Doom 3 has things like backtracking, doors unlocked with certain items, health and armor being placed in the levels instead of mostly being obtained from enemies

[lyric lodge]

Worst doom is DOOM VR no debate

[pearl viper]

How is Mighty Doom? I haven't given it a try yet.

[azure oriole]

This

Doom 2016 and Eternal are very different from the other games, whereas Doom 3 is a modernization (for its time) of the classic Doom formula.

[azure oriole]

If you know what you’re doing

[serene stone]

64 is easily my favorite of the classics without custom wads, with by far the most consistent level design. So I am a bit puzzled by that.

[serene stone]

Hmmm. Idk. I guess Doom 3's main campaign, but I really like the expansions.

If it counts, TNT Evilution is probably the worst.

[azure oriole]

My issue is controlls not level

[small helm]

they're literally the same as any other classic game, unless you're playing on an actual n64

[azure oriole]

TNT Evilution, followed by Doom 2

[serene stone]

2016's UAC/Mars maps are quite explorative.

From Foundry to Argent Facility to Resource Ops.

It's mostly the Hell levels and VEGA Core that gets linear in the same way Eternal does.

[serene stone]

I haven't played the original N64 version because I hate the N64 controller.

Only played the newer ports.

[azure oriole]

The exploration is often secondary. Most of the time a very linear route is present, and you only explore for like a Codex file or something. Foundry's an exception.

[jolly kernel]

I wonder why a lot of people don't like TNT so much. I'm close to finishing it and I actually find it to be enjoyable

[azure oriole]

I used the n64 controller

That’s why I said it was clunky controls

[serene stone]

I still get lost in Argent Facility Regular and especially Destroyed.

Especially when going for 100% secrets.

They feel designed similarly to Episode 1 from 1993.

[azure oriole]

Alright, I'll give you the first Argent Facility level.

Even so, though, they definitely are not like OG Doom - far more of an emphasis on closed-in arenas rather than dynamically spawned enemies, plus a wholly different atmosphere from the original game's perception.

[serene stone]

I didn't really think Destroyed was any more linear than the first

[young mango]

icon of sin doom 2 being a wall that only one weapon can damage, and needing a glorified elevator to do said damage, worst bossfight in the series and it shouldn’t even be a discussion

[jolly kernel]

it's still actually a challenge compared to the joke that is the Doom 3 Cyberdemon

[young mango]

challenge /= good design

[pearl viper]

Yee, I know where most everything spawns and what to do to remove it quickly.

[azure oriole]

I do not lol

[serene stone]

I'd say Hell missions and VEGA Core are like that, as well as perhaps Lazarus Labs.

But most UAC/Mars maps felt like a nice hybrid of Doom Episode 1, Metroid Prime, and Painkillers/Serious Sam stuff to me.

[austere bronze]

I just shoot stuff quickly and stuff die quickly (including me sometimes)

[serene stone]

Now that makes sense to me

But also admittedly the first 10 or so levels in D64. (The UAC levels) are really lackluster.

In my opinion DOOM 64 starts with Even Simpler and the Hell levels.

[serene stone]

Bro's going to find a secret suicide tech with the BFG

[serene stone]

I mean, even if you like it, could you really put it higher than any other official release in the series?

[austere bronze]

Me no use BFG

Last time I used the BFG was in my last campaign playthrough which was a while ago, I would guess about 350 hours of playtime ago

[serene stone]

Same. I sometimes use it when I'm soft locked though, or on accident lol.

[pearl viper]

Pretty much, but there is some weapon choice to make.

[austere bronze]

I don't even know what I have my BFG bound to💀

[pearl viper]

I just rebound mine to 5

[austere bronze]

But I did once oull it out by accident a few weeks ago

[jolly kernel]

uh...
Master Levels For Doom II?

[austere bronze]

I would guess I have mine somewhere around there too

[young mango]

I use BFG a lot, you can’t really “speedrun” without the strongest weapon in the game

[austere bronze]

Pb rocket launcher🔥

[pearl viper]

Pb-E, rockets-R

[austere bronze]

Understandable

I've actually stopped using BFG, crucible, hammer, lock-on burst and ice grenade, find the game more fun then

[austere bronze]

I have pb-E and rocket-Q

[pearl viper]

My melee is Q

[jolly kernel]

if I ever decide to use the Crucible, 99% of the time it's to instantly destroy an Arch-Vile

[austere bronze]

Mine is F

[pearl viper]

F is SSG

I'm beginning to get efficient with my controls now

[austere bronze]

Nice

[storm field]

Complete Taras Nabad master level on UN without BFG,Crucible

[jolly kernel]

anyone here almost always kills a Carcass by blood punching him then glory killing him to get the blood punch back?
it's a simple and effective tactic that is basically a free kill

[austere bronze]

Already done

[storm field]

ok good

[austere bronze]

Depends but I do it sometimes yeah

It's just sometimes hard to know if the carcass has been damaged

[pearl viper]

Meat hook the carcass and point blank it with SSG

[vagrant owl]

In reality u love every game

[austere bronze]

Or my favorite method: use way to many resources quick switching 10 different combos on 1 carcass

[pearl viper]

Lol

SSG, miss, ballista, miss, PB, miss, rocket, grenade, PB, miss, ballista, it dies, SSG, ballista

[serene stone]

Oh. Yeah, that exists

[serene stone]

Huh?

[serene stone]

Unmaykr is better. There's a secret tech I discovered that unlocks its true destructive potential.

[serene stone]

I kid I kid.

[austere bronze]

The unmaykr kills (fodder) demons really quick

[pearl viper]

Ya, unbind it and never use it lol

[glossy warren]

bfg 😦

[austere bronze]

The BFG actually kills demons really quick

[austere bronze]

ugh, my eternal always crashes on the fourth wave of world spear and UAC atlantica slaughter maps

[left grove]

guys how do i trun off tunnel vision

[pearl viper]

Turn off present to compute setting in video settings and see if it still does.

[austere bronze]

thanks, I'll try it

[vagrant owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189631720509673472/1237450894363066462/image.png?ex=663bb173&is=663a5ff3&hm=4c897f8b84e01453e80ec127183ec45a9cd04bb99463e71c8eaf6dd2bf9a1a36&

what is this version of the game?

[young mango]

it was the unreleased prototype and has never been released

[vagrant owl]

it looks like 2016

[young mango]

probably because they hadn’t figured out what they wanted the games identity to be yet

[wet meteor]

Does the RL + Ballista combo do good damage? Like Pb + RL?

[young mango]

no not really, even when you apply BATS from something like heavy cannon it still only negligibly faster than pb rocket

[midnight sparrow]

Kinda preferred prototype Gore Nest to finished Gore Nest I like the lighting a lot

[frozen temple]

any advise on the coin room on TN ML

[vagrant owl]

Tbh it is already good

Doom is peak

[azure oriole]

Tbh

Doom 3 and eternal are the best

2016 is 3rd place

1 and 2 tie for 4th

And 64 is 5th cause trying to play that game was a nightmare

[vagrant owl]

Doom 3 looks underrated

Just because it looks like a whole new game compared to the old ones

[azure oriole]

Yea it’s not doom

It’s hated

The concept of the game is great and so is the story of that game

It’s just hated cause it’s called doom3 without being doom

[azure oriole]

But it is Doom.

[blissful vale]

yep, it should have been called "Not doom, but title sells better"

[azure oriole]

Doom 3 is more Doom than 2016 and Eternal are lol.

[young mango]

doom 3 slander is by people who have not/barely played the game and are parroting what everybody else says

[azure oriole]

^^^

[young mango]

people need to form their own opinions for things

[azure oriole]

Def not eternal

Not only was Doom 3 acclaimed on release but one of its few criticisms by critics was literally "this is too similar to the original games".

[azure oriole]

Eternal is even less Doom than 2016 is lol.

Meh it’s up to how you interpret doom

[blissful vale]

i think people cant tell between a fast paced fps and a horror game

[azure oriole]

I interpret it as being a Demon killing machine

[azure oriole]

The original Doom was intended to be both, just like Doom 3 is.

[young mango]

eternal is a movement shooter where you do a billion things at once, it’s debatably not the same genre as doom classic and definitely not the same subgenre

[azure oriole]

Fr

Neither 2016 or Eternal play like OG Doom. This isn't a bad thing, but it's reality. Their pacing, arenas, enemy design, weapon design, emphasis on vertical mobility, is absolutely not Doom. If anything, that's Quake, or Serious Sam, or Painkiller.

[azure oriole]

And the PvP is fun sometimes

New Doom is a reinvention of the formula. Doom 3 was an update to it. It plays much more like the original games.

Exactly

All doom games are doom in my eyes (not 64 fuck that game)

Just different ways of playing

[blissful vale]

doom 3 has more in common with half life than with classic doom.

[midnight sparrow]

What did 64 do?

[austere bronze]

I think we need doom 4

[azure oriole]

Did you finish Doom 3?

Like did you actually play it?

[young mango]

half life runs on GoldSrc, a modified version of the quake engine, dumb comparison

[azure oriole]

Play doom 64 on an n64 with a controller with stick drift

[azure oriole]

Did you play doom3? It’s nothing like half life

Not even close actually

[midnight sparrow]

That’s the controllers fault for being designed like shit not the games fault

[azure oriole]

We have doom 4 if anything we need doom 7

[blissful vale]

@young mango Engine does not make a game's genre.

[azure oriole]

That’s the point

If the controller wasn’t dog shit I would have maybe enjoyed it more

Yeah but capybara, did you finish Doom 3?

[austere bronze]

No, we need doom eternal 2

[young mango]

yes but who made the quake engine? Id software, you’re trying to play it as if doom 3 is a wannabe half-life when in reality half-life is a wannabe quake

[midnight sparrow]

Just play it on PC. Playing most things with a N64 controller won’t be fun

F-Zeros hella fun though with a N64 controller

[azure oriole]

Only thing imo that’s fun with a n64 controller is Mario party

It’s the only tolerable game

[blissful vale]

@Tammie taht doesnt makke any sense. This is not a wannabe fight. This is a style comparison.

[azure oriole]

Yea and doom3 and half life aren’t even close

If anything quake is closer

[young mango]

nvm I’m never going to get anywhere with this dude I’m going to stop wasting my time

[azure oriole]

I assume the answer is no?

[azure oriole]

In which case this remains relevant.

[blissful vale]

@azure oriole i tend to ignore questions like "did YoU acZuAllY PlAy zE gAmE?". Of course I played doom3, it's the doom game taht i played the most, in fact.

[azure oriole]

I do not believe that you, the person who just got mad about Doom 3 not being Doom at all, have played this particular Doom game the most out of all of them.

[blissful vale]

that doesn't change the argument one bit though, doom 3 has reloading mechanics, npc's guiding you through a linear story which isn't segmented in missions like classic doom is.

[azure oriole]

Doom 3 is segmented in missions just like classic Doom is.

[blissful vale]

it doesnt even track kills or secrets found, or time, like classic doom does

it's not segmented in missions, it's segmented in areas. That's not the same

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118568521673232434/1237471624538886325/image.png?ex=663bc4c2&is=663a7342&hm=290786976c7b166d9374b73e3fb87e05dee3ed6bf90455770be1de71e6de469f&

Me when Doom 3 is separated into levels, in fact the same amount of levels Doom 1993 had when it shipped.

[blissful vale]

you just replied with the same think i said

[azure oriole]

This is a silly semantic argument. OG Doom is segmented in areas too.

We literally get a map in between every level showing us that we are moving on to a new area lmao

And since when is the non-existence of reloading mechanics essential to the design of Doom? The Super Shotgun reloads between every shot anyway.

Doom 3 incorporated mechanics that would've already been in the original Doom had they had the technology to use them.

Like the scary atmosphere - John Romero himself said Doom 1993 was intended to be horror.

[blissful vale]

Then why does doom 016 or eternal not include reloading?

idTech engine doesn't support it?

[young mango]

what do you think the cooldowns are

it’s just reloading without the animation

[azure oriole]

Because they decided not to lol. It was part of their creative vision, just like it is part of Doom 3's vision to have reloading.

[blissful vale]

a coodown is NOT reloading a weapon

[azure oriole]

Which, BTW, was a good decision - Doom 3 has the best weapon balancing of the series and part of this is because you have to actually think about what weapons you're using.

[blissful vale]

exactly, the crative vision for newer ones was DOOMISH, like the originals.

[azure oriole]

And Doom 3's was too lmao

These games can be different and still individually take from Doom's identity.

And Doom 3 was in fact more faithful to Doom's identity by 1) sticking to trying to be a horror game like Doom 1993, and 2) sticking to Doomguy being a guy and not a demigod.

Doom 2016 and Eternal both differ heavily from Doom's vision in this department. Again, they're a *reinvention - * not a modernization like 3 was.

Not to mention 2016 and Eternal's very, very complex weapons and how it locks you into arenas for 90% of the enemy encounters - something OG Doom never did.

[young mango]

btw the whole concept of cooldowns being eliminated upon weapon switch was only implemented in doom eternal, in 2016 you still had to wait for how long they would’ve normally taken to reload, which is basically what I said, reloading but without the animation

[azure oriole]

And that concept also is arguably not a good thing to begin with since it renders half the weapons useless once you've learned to do it reliably.

[blissful vale]

@young mango a cooldown is NOT reloading. Reloding is based on realism, cooldowns are basically magic imposed over the player.

[azure oriole]

Reloading is not just based on realism, it is just as important for game balance.

[young mango]

so holding 6 guns at once and changing them at any time you want isnt magic imposed on the player?

[tacit aspen]

Slayer is an octopus basically

[blissful vale]

@young mango what does that have to do with your argument?

[regal walrus]

How much time is left in the events?

Till a new one comes

[acoustic lark]

He has a really big keychain, like 50+ dads

[young mango]

I’m saying your point is ridiculous, and I’m doing so by applying the same logic to a similar thing, stop trying to undermine the things I say by attempting to portray that as out of context or irrelevant any time I make a point you can’t refute

[regal walrus]

Anyone know how many days left in the event

[blissful vale]

@young mango to be clear, i'm not saying doomguy isn't magical or sci-fi. I'm saying cooldowns arent reloading. One is a physical need in order to use a weapon, the other one is fnatasy.

[azure oriole]

From John Romero's DOOM Guy:

I wanted to extend the horror, tension, gore, and violence of Wolfenstein 3-D, to make a faster, more brutal, kill-or-be-killed game.

We wanted more textures and lighting. As a horror movie fan, I knew that shadows and light were tools to increase tension, to boost the fear factor, and to introduce elements of surprise. I wanted these tools in our games.

We wanted a shadowy, grim, foreboding ambiance, a look and feel to foment Stephen King-level horror suspense. We wanted nothing but blood, fear, and fast action. We wanted Aliens. **We wanted Evil Dead. **

[serene stone]

For me 2016, 64, and Doom II (especially with wads)are my favorites.

The DOOM 3 Resurrection of Evil expansion would be an honorable mention.

I love RoE so much.

I used to put Eternal as a top tier, but I have simultaneously increasingly soured upon it over time as well as got extremely burnt out from it lol.

DOOM 1993 used to a top tier too, but when I replayed it lately, I found I only really liked Episode 1 and disliked Episode 2 and 3, and found Thy Flesh Consumed a mixed bag.

[gray skiff]

Classic Doom had lots of scary sections in it and so did Quake so Doom 3 isnt really a giant leap in design philosophy

[serene stone]

Also lack of SSG, enemy count, and enemy variety hurts it immensely

[blissful vale]

@young mango i'm not trying to undermine what you are saying, I'm only telling you the difference between colldowns and reloading. Whether doomguy is a beast who can have 8 guns in the pocket is not relevant.

[azure oriole]

It's really not. The game it literally just Doom 1993 but rebooted with higher tech. It's using the same design philosophy.

[gray skiff]

u could rip the sprites directly from doom n repurpose them for a horror game and they wouldnt really feel out of place, Cyberdemons especially scary imo

[young mango]

look im not here to play semantics, we’re done here, you discuss this with everybody else and stop talking to me

[serene stone]

Eternal is basically the Halo 5: Guardians of DOOM if you think about it

[azure oriole]

Oh but it's not Doom, b-because it has, uh... reloading... and, um... it has levels... even though Doom 1993 has that...?

[serene stone]

Both are even criticized for the same things such as the fan fiction messy inconsistent lore and drastic gameplay changes and advanced mobility lol

[gray skiff]

reloading isnt even a bad mechanic when u realize the main appeal of doom is resource management, its not a big ask for the player to manage the resources in your mag

maybe not the main appeal but one of the big ones u can't really take away from the series

[serene stone]

And Eternal/Halo 5 getting extremely high fantasy and fancy versus Bungie Halo/Classic DOOM's more B movie low tech and minimalistic Sci Fi approach

[blissful vale]

@azure oriole so far your argument for doom 3 being doomish is the fact that you think so. I gave you technical reasons as to why it doesnt feel the same.

[azure oriole]

No my argument for Doom 3 being Doom is that I actually played the game and did the research and it's literally going under the same design philosophy that the original Doom was made under.

[gray skiff]

it doesn't feel like the other games cuz its not supposed to, the same way 2016 and eternal feel different to 1 and 2, if u want classic doom just download a WAD

[blissful vale]

you reload, you walk at a snail's pace, you don't have mission stats, NPC's guide you and tell you what to do...

[azure oriole]

Many of these things were planned for Doom and only not implemented because of technical difficulties.

NPCs guiding you is an example.

It is replicating and modernizing Doom's original atmosphere, its setup, its enemies, its planned features it couldn't implement, its gameplay loop, its horror... literally when the game came out one of the primary complaints was "gosh this plays too much like the original Doom."

This was literally the primary intent of John Carmack, the guy who fucking led development on the game. He intended for 3 to be a technological upgrade of Doom.

[serene stone]

John Carmack said DOOM 3 was what they originally wanted DOOM to be but they didn't have the tech to do it

[young mango]

NPCs guiding is still a thing in modern doom, we get liek at least 10 unskippable cutscenes with Sammy Hayden where he’s talking about how much he wants to smooch you

[azure oriole]

Literally this.

And sorry but I trust John Carmack's word over a random internet stranger's.

[serene stone]

Though John Romero on the other hand wasn't big on Doom 3 if I'm remembering correctly

[blissful vale]

I trust what i'm actually playing, not what the director says he could've done if he was 10 years into the future.

[gray skiff]

wasnt doom originally supposed to be an aliens tie in? doom 3 makes a lot more sense in that context

[blissful vale]

you cant judge a game's mechanics based on what the director WANTED it to be, you have to judge it based on what it IS

[serene stone]

Nekravol elevators

[blissful vale]

"Oh I wanted cyberpunk to be a good game", well too fing bad, it doesnt work that way...

[small helm]

open classic Doom > disable auto run > use shift to run , then you'll notice that it's actually pretty similar

[young mango]

cyberpunk IS a good game tho lol

[blissful vale]

If you play doom, you play a fast paced fps, if you play doom 3 you play a survival horror fps, it's that simple.

[azure oriole]

Doom 3 can be played fast paced lol. This is subjective.

[serene stone]

Also DOOM 3 can be played very fast with sprinting bunny hops.

[gray skiff]

and thats ok cuz franchises are allowed to change and evolve

[blissful vale]

who cares what the director wanted if it isn't what it IS.

[azure oriole]

Yeah I am, and what I see is a videogame about a lone Marine trapped in a space base surrounded by howling, screeching monsters after his friends were all possessed, with an intention for a chilling, horror-focused atmosphere.

[gray skiff]

if ID did doom 2 forty times iver people would hate them

[small helm]

Doom 3 is action horror FPS, you have too much resources for survival

[azure oriole]

So, y'know... Doom 1993.

Yeah. Doom 3 is action horror. Just like Doom 1993 was.

[gray skiff]

2016s aesthetic is nonexistent without doom 3

[serene stone]

To me it's really satisfying to do fast bunny hops into shotgunning a bunch of enemies directly at their throat in DOOM 3.

The CQC design compliments this play style quite well

[azure oriole]

This too, on a separate note Doom 2016 rips off so much of Doom 3.

Doom 2016's story and overall environmental design is absolutely ripped off from Doom 3.

[manic frigate]

is battlemode leaderboards down still? nothing is working for hot streaks or triumphs

[small helm]

I wasn't sure how to feel about 3 either until i decided to take a closer look at it

[young mango]

maybe my memories a bit foggy but “fast paced” doesn’t really mean anything when it doesn’t relate to the combat, all you can do in doom classic is run in a circle and spam left click, also the fact that combat isn’t even a huge part of classic dooms design philosophy, and is more focused of a sort of puzzle design with keycards and navigating the levels

[serene stone]

DOOM 3's SSG from the Lost Mission and Resurrection of Evil expansions has eargasmic sound design

[serene stone]

Also as GmanLives says; "the Chaingun rips"

[serene stone]

True, but mostly the UAC environments. Not really the demon designs (except the Hell Knight) or Hell.

[azure oriole]

how do ppl manage to always have high health

its like im good at combos then suck at everything else

[serene stone]

In Eternal?

Use flame belch, flaming meathook, and even frags a lot, especially on frozen enemies.

You can keep high health and armor

[azure oriole]

that doesnt really help

[blissful vale]

@young mango exactly, you wlak up and hold CTRL to destroy demons. In doom 3 you cant, you have to reload, you see how they are not the same in combat? One is fast paced, the other one isn't.

[serene stone]

A frag on a group of fodder hit with flame belch will make a lot of health and armor drops

And frozen enemies drop even more

[young mango]

I swear to god learn what the reply feature is

[azure oriole]

A lone space marine is caught in the middle of Hell's invasion of Mars, and must journey to shut down the portal that is allowing the horde to invade Mars on a wider scale. The main villain is a UAC researcher who has made a pact with Hell, and our hero is aided by a UAC executive who, while morally grey in his own right, seeks to shut down the portal and keep Hell's invasion from getting worse. Our hero must find an artifact in Hell hidden away by the villain to shut down the portal. Our villain, at the end of their story, transforms into a giant monster by fusing with a demon lord and is killed. There is also lore regarding the sole hero of an ancient Martian race that previously was conquered by the demons, whom the UAC is now researching.

Did I just describe Doom 3 or Doom 2016?

[austere bronze]

Don't take damage, this might sound like a joke but it is important

[serene stone]

Didn't it get updated a lot to become good now?

Atleast on the PC versions

[azure oriole]

This is a gross oversimplification but considering you HAVE to oversimplify these games in order for your argument to hold any weight I don't blame you.
You can shoot demons for quite a long time in Doom 3 without having to reload. You can easily switch weapons and forgo reloading until you've killed all the demons in the room. It just requires strategizing.

[blissful vale]

oh, I just threw that in there as an example. I didnt really ike cyberpunk, but still put in like 1000 hours on release. Never touched it again, only once to test path tracing. I think they did enhance it a lot since then.

[azure oriole]

i struggle with that

Which is a good thing lmao since it discourages you from spamming the same weapon the entire game, something all the other games suffer from because of weapons like the Super Shotgun and Gauss Cannon.

[serene stone]

DOOM II was the first bad DOOM game because it introduced reloading as a staple for the franchise ongoing.

Reloading for the Super Shotgun I mean

/s

[young mango]

“didn’t really like”
“1000 hours”
I’ve played doom eternal for 3 years, my favorite game ever, and have a few world records and I’m about to have another one and I only have 1663 hours, I’m calling total bullshit on what you just said

[azure oriole]

Yeah and supposedly Doom 3 is the game they played most.

[gray skiff]

i feel like u should know if u like a game around 5 hrs in

[serene stone]

If he soured on it I'd get, but his wording makes it sound like he ALWAYS didn't like it which is odd

[young mango]

dude is literally that steam review meme where the person has an absurd amount of hours and says “it’s alright”

[gray skiff]

2500 hours. beat it 3 times. worst game ive played all year

[azure oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNhiTQlmluQ&ab_channel=ojokei idrk what im doing wrong

[blissful vale]

I can play a game and still not like it overall. I don't understand, how is this a discussion, you are telling me I cannot paly a game a certain amount of time and not like it?

[gray skiff]

woah someones posting abt the game the channels named after

[young mango]

so for 1000 hours in total you did something you didn’t like doing? dude stop playing semantics with us and tell me how that actually makes sense, the only thing people do for 1000 hours and don’t like doing is their job, and they do it because they don’t have another choice, nobodies FORCING you to play a video game

[serene stone]

True, it's turned into Cyberpunk discussion now lol

[young mango]

you are just dissecting the individual words in the sentence rather than actually just responding to what I said, red herring, you are intentionally misinterpreting EVERYTHING I say.

[azure oriole]

Boooooring!

[blissful vale]

it was a direct reply. I played it 1000 hs, and even bought it in 2 platforms. I didn't think it was a good game at all. There are reasons as to why one can play a lot and still not think the game is good.

[young mango]

so what’s that reason then

[serene stone]

To people who say DOOM 3 is "slow":
https://youtu.be/ebOgK0JRs8s?si=TvSGm3FMpXR3cGp6

[austere bronze]

Seemed to be going very good until you got into close range with those revenants

[blissful vale]

underdelivery, they promised an apple but delivered a lemon. The game was supposed to be RPG at release, it wasnt', the game ran poorly, the missions were bugged, many choices didn't matter, physics and gameplay problems everywhere. Did i ave FUN playing it? YES. Do I think it was a good game? NO.

[serene stone]

For non-BFG Edition too. Speeeed:

https://youtu.be/3iGK1K2_vjQ?si=weYEm_AISsZ0Bxu-

[young mango]

“Didn’t really like” “not like” you are now contradicting yourself, you did not state earlier whether you thought it was a good game, you stated outright that you didn’t like it

[azure oriole]

Okay Capybara has a point there actually, I have spent lots of time in a game that I didn't really like.

Example: I fucking hate RE3 Remake. But I've sunk a lot of hours into it and I would call the game fun.

[random vault]

even if you like did everything, it would only take 100-200 hours

you played 1,000 of something you didnt like?

[azure oriole]

not very good tho since i cant keep my armor up

[blissful vale]

^ that is another example.I dont like re3r either, i still have too many hours in it.

[serene stone]

Bunny hops in D3 are pretty great

[azure oriole]

I don't hate it because it's not fun, I hate it because in spite of its fun gameplay the overall experience is a vapid, embarrassing, passionless pile of poor creative decisions.

[random vault]

the game is an rpg

[azure oriole]

i wanted to meathook jump on that revenant but missclicked

[blissful vale]

before it came out, it was an RPG, days before launch they changed the desription to ARPG

[gray skiff]

Eternal posting is cringe, arguing about Doom 3 is where its at

[serene stone]

This, but unironically

[azure oriole]

I've been off my Doom kick recently anyways. Been hyperfixating over Metal Gear Solid

[random vault]

your playing the game as a role, thats an rpg

[azure oriole]

?

[serene stone]

I prefer Shadow Warrior 3 over Eternal anyway, as sacrilege as that is lol

[azure oriole]

Wouldn't that be almost every game then? I'm playing the role of Doomguy in Doom

[gray skiff]

ARPGs are great, much more fun than regular ones imo

[austere bronze]

I would say you did keep your armor up pretty good tbh

[blissful vale]

@random vault are you really gonna tell me that RPG == ARPG now? Like damn.

[serene stone]

Especially since SW3 is prettier than Eternal. Much prettier.

[azure oriole]

Doesn't matter, Uncle Ben. DUSK is better than both of them.

[random vault]

rpg is a genre and arpg’s is part of that

[blissful vale]

they. arent. the. same.

[serene stone]

Duskdev would be flattered by that statement because he thinks Eternal is a lot better than his own game lol

[random vault]

whats an rpg then

[gray skiff]

the game is slightly different from other games so its bad

[azure oriole]

Capybara is right that Cyberpunk 2077 released as a horrible mess and only built itself into a respectable product long after it actually launched.

[azure oriole]

Well he's an IDIOT. Who does this guy think he is anyway? The creator of Dusk or something???

[random vault]

obviously

[gray skiff]

under the mayo type argument

[azure oriole]

(I personally like Dusk's atmosphere better than Eternal's.)

[blissful vale]

rpg is more focuse on role playing, action rpg is more focused on action.

[gray skiff]

literal lying, its IN THE NAME OF THE GENRE

[young mango]

by that logic, movement shooters are more focused on movement than shooting

[serene stone]

Morrowind is a bad RPG confirmed

[blissful vale]

in one, you focus on managing your dude/dudette, how it interacts with the world, in the other you are more focused on killing other dudes/dudettes.

[serene stone]

Isn't Morrowind an action RPG? I wouldn't say Morrowind is more focused on the latter

[blissful vale]

IT IS DUDE. WTF is this

[serene stone]

Same, but I prefer a looot of FPS atmosphere over Eternal's.

[blissful vale]

baldurs gate is rpg, original fallout was

[serene stone]

Morrowind is all about killing people?

[blissful vale]

morrowind is not, its more focused on gutting dudes

[serene stone]

How?

[blissful vale]

well, yes

[gray skiff]

what are we even talking about anymore 💀

[serene stone]

I think at this point I think you're pulling a charade

[gray skiff]

rage bait isnt a good move in a doom server, anger makes the slayer stronger

[azure oriole]

It's actually very effective and works very often in this server.

[blissful vale]

it's just funny how they believe arpg is the same as rpg

like, even when i explain how they arent the same, and even having popular games as eveidence of how they arent the same, he still thinks they are.

[serene stone]

Tbf, the Slayer would just ignore rage bait

[azure oriole]

Respectfully, you did a horrible job at explaining.

[austere bronze]

Tbf, nobody here at least to my knowledge is the slayer

[serene stone]

Me!!!

[gray skiff]

"do you have nothing to say to your troll, before u permaban him"
"no."

[austere bronze]

Show physique then

[serene stone]

I love my Cacodemon costume too much. I'm so comfy, and I don't want to get out

[blissful vale]

alright, then

[gray skiff]

[serene stone]

Also you can't post images on this server anyway

[gray skiff]

i dont think theres much to explain anyway

real picture of kiryu

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118568521673232434/1237489028735963206/360_F_50768337_euMWpeWkGYSQjrRqnZT6BBQgPJ1ui8gD.png?ex=663bd4f7&is=663a8377&hm=890fe1fcaf31b2022240f457014709ae942a97f27482cb5505ea1a1f0638b773&

[serene stone]

I can't for whatever reason

[azure oriole]

(You have to embed them.)

[serene stone]

O

[austere bronze]

Ah, understandable

[random vault]

so turn based = rpg?

[serene stone]

Cacos are the one demon I get sympathetic toward killing.

If they weren't evil I'd get endless pets of them, but unfortunately I have no choice but to rip and tear them.

[gray skiff]

games cant be part of a genre unless its exactly like the father of the genre

[serene stone]

Intern cries when a Caco has to die

[blissful vale]

no, in one game you actually build a character, and get ot make (impactful) decisions with it, whether it's in the world around you, or in play/compat style. In morrowind you just create a dude, and control limited aspects like whether you will use magic or blades, the rest is just going from place to place and killing creatures.

this is the point where you say "you get to make decisions in cyberpunk". I'll answer beforehand, no.

Your character is V, and everything will go down 1 way.

[gray skiff]

dont u quite literally build a character in that game (i wouldnt know i havent played it)

[gray skiff]

isnt it the same way in classic rpgs like FF and Chrono Trigger?

like in FF4 u play as Cecil and youll always be Cecil no matter how u build your team

[blissful vale]

Well literally creating a character and naming it doesnt make a game an RPG, though. I was just oversimplifying. Many really old games didnt let you create a character, maybe limitations, maybe unnecessary, or maybe design choice.

Well, even some modern games dont let you.

difference in this case is how one is more evolved in combat mechanics, whereas the other is more evolved in world building, character choices, interactions, etc.

deus ex hr is another example of action rpg, you are more focused on the actual combat/action of the game, than dialog choices, or managing your character/team.

[gray skiff]

but you still do build a character like classic rpgs, all the guns in the game suck unless you spec into a guns build and some of them suck even after that

its not the most in depth character building ever but youre still making a build and min-maxxing and stuff like that

[blissful vale]

yes, tahts why it's action rpg, and not action-adventure

a more classic rpg would be dragon age origins. YOu are more time managing your cahracter, and team, and trying to make the right choices, than actually fighting.

[gray skiff]

but its still an RPG, action or no, the same way FPS and TPS are still shooters despite a different camera

[blissful vale]

that's like saying, an apple is an apricot, they are both fruits. Yeah they are, but they taste different.

[gray skiff]

its closer to apple vs green apple but i kinda get what youre saying

this whole thing is a war of semantics and wishy-washy criteria

[blissful vale]

different nonetheless, which is the root of the argument.

[gray skiff]

yes, because ALL different are different from each other

which they should be because playing the exact same RPG or shooter or action game or puzzle game or horror game 20 times in a row would be boring

the games are different but they have enough shared design to be in a similar category cuz thats how categories work

[blissful vale]

I disagree, but I will stop arguing about RPG before I get banned.

[serene stone]

Lmao wtf

[raven mica]

Hi All! In my lobby tody i have f0cking cheatrs too! ^(( what can be done about this???

[pearl viper]

How are they cheating?

[raven mica]

In the game, the enemy monsters had all their perks turned on from the very beginning of the game. The dudes were bursting in, not paying attention to me. I lost a couple of games, and then I started to pile on them, the dudes got crazy and left the game, and all the XP was gone 😦

[lyric lodge]

I'd eat them

[brave spire]

can somebody help me with battlemode achievements

im tired of searching match

[azure oriole]

@brave spire What are you playing on

[azure oriole]

What do you play on

[brave spire]

pc

on steam

[azure oriole]

I'm on playstation 5, sorry can't help I needed it to

[brave spire]

no problem

[solar mural]

Is there a current working version of the 'Equip All Runes' mod? The ones from Nexusmods don't seem to be working atm.

[green canopy]

Hey so if you get all the empyrean keys through the different missions through mission select does it transfer to your current save that you’re on or?

I’m not sure how it works

[burnt moss]

Yeah level select is within your save slot iirc

[green canopy]

Thank you

[burnt moss]

Hey is there anything wrong with getting the absolute cheapest gaming PC from Bestbuy, or is there a risk I’ll get one with too low stats?

[pearl viper]

Kay, so laptop keyboard is annoying to play on.. the whole keyboard is flat so I can't feel the difference between keys and I just died in the worse way because of the ~ key. This was the worst place it could have been placed.

[burnt moss]

I’ve heard that’s a problem with laptops.

[pearl viper]

It's 3/10 playability

[burnt moss]

Anyone have a good answer on this?

[azure oriole]

bro unbinded dash to quickswap

[pearl viper]

newegg.com

[random vault]

the pc’s say the specs before you buy, compare the price to spec ratio and decide for yourself

[burnt moss]

Specs are complicated though. Like how much do I need an I7 vs I3?

Hey is there a way to get back to the blood pit using fast travel? Cultist Base, I accidentally skipped a secret encounter.

[random vault]

google it

[burnt moss]

Like this one I’m looking at doesn’t even have an I anything. Does that mean it’s worse than all the I3s and I7s?

[random vault]

google it

[burnt moss]

How do I even tell which part of the product title is the spec I’m looking for?

[random vault]

they say

[burnt moss]

Nvm I’m an idiot

[random vault]

it says like
“gpu - (insert thing)”
“cpu - (insert thing)”
“ram - (insert thing)”

[burnt moss]

I thought I7 was a processor? Like I can tell Radeon is talking about graphics card. And RAM is clearly indicated. But here’s the cheapest one:

CLX - SET Gaming Desktop - AMD Ryzen 5 5600G - 8GB Memory - Radeon Graphics Shared - 500GB M.2 NVMe SSD - Black

[violet zealot]

the Ryzen is the processer in this case

Intel chips are not the only option for processers btw

and I would personally recommend at least 16 GB of RAM

[burnt moss]

I stands for Intel? I thought it was saying there’s 7 integrated processors

[violet zealot]

yeah

AMD chips are pretty good for gaming in my experience

never ran an Intel chip in any of my rigs, though

my best advice is to look at the games you currently play and then look at the games you may want to play in the future, take their recomended requirements into consideration, and then get a PC based around that while keeping in mind to have a PC you can easily upgrade later down the road

[burnt moss]

I can’t tell whether the Radeon in the above PC meets the Doom specs.

AMD Radeon R9 280 (3GB)/Radeon R9 290 (4GB)/Radeon RX 470 (4GB) or Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti (4GB)/GTX 1060 (3GB)/GTX 1650 (4GB)

[violet zealot]

I'm assuming it's integrated graphics

I can't find much information on what exactly it is

if it is, probably not the best choice in my opinion

[burnt moss]

Why doesn’t integrated have a metric of quality?

[violet zealot]

as integrated graphics tend to have low amounts of allocated ram for video

[violet zealot]

you'd look into the CPU its self for integrated

[violet zealot]

a lot of games take WAY more RAM than what most integrated graphics solutions take from the computer's

at least on my laptop the most amount I can put it to is 64 KB

basically, IG takes from the board's RAM, a dedicated GPU has it's own VRAM

though I would say this

do your research and then take your wants into consideration

once you got that, either find a pre-built that fits your needs, get a company to make a custom build built for you, or if you really want to, build one yourself

[blissful vale]

if you replace the 5600g with a 5600, and add a dedicated graphics card like an rtx 3050, 3060, or radeon 6600 youll be golden

[burnt moss]

I heard something about that before but I’m surprised a gaming PC would use integrated like that

[violet zealot]

a GTX 1660 can also work pretty well (I think)

[burnt moss]

Graphics card is like $300 and the whole build is already $650. Might as well just find a different one.

[blissful vale]

gtx 1660 is also really old, it can run most games perfectly fine, but buying an already pretty old card is... not my first reocmmendation

[violet zealot]

fair enough

just saying that as you might be able to snag a working one for cheap

[blissful vale]

to be honest, if i had to build something right now, id buy a use 1080ti, but i cannot recommend that to others. I know about hardware, other might not be as enthusiastic

[violet zealot]

I have a somewhat limited knowledge on the actual parts side of things so I've been holding back on giving out major (and most likely inaccurate) advice

[blissful vale]

to be clear, you CAN play doom with the 5600g, it has a vega 11 integrated gpu, but graphics fidelity and performance wont break any records...

[violet zealot]

I'll just let you take over, then. I'll be idle if you need me to be a living AI chatbot.

[burnt moss]

Will the build I posted play Doom Eternal better than my Xbox Series S?

[blissful vale]

*vega 7

[blissful vale]

with integrated graphics? I doubt it. I dont play on console so i cant tell what performance/fidelity xbox S brings, but with a vega 7 you can expecto to run Doom eternal at the lowest settings at 1080p at ~30 fps

(in a correctly set up system that is)

[burnt moss]

The S supposedly does 60FPS but there’s no way to measure

[blissful vale]

im pretty sure you can get 60 fps with vega 7, im just being conservative with 30 fps

[violet zealot]

your best bet is to find a system with a dedicated GPU @burnt moss (yeah, I lied. I'll be jumping in once in a while)

[burnt moss]

Still probably not worth the investment if it’s similar to the S

[random vault]

if your gaming you need one your gunna destroy a pc playing on an integrated and it will run like shit

[blissful vale]

well, difference being, you can upgrade a pc, add more ram and a dedicated graphics card later

[violet zealot]

I nearly killed my laptop doing this lol

[burnt moss]

Which costs even more money. A single graphics card costs as much as an Xbox. Let alone the other tweaks.

So one takeaway here is to stay away from integrated. Also, 16GB RAM minimum

[blissful vale]

well yeah, but any dedicated graphics card will allow you to play doom eternal easily at more than 100 fps at better fidelity

of course that depends in waht you are looking for

[burnt moss]

So getting any setup and adding the gtx 1660 would be an improvement on the Xbox then

[blissful vale]

yep, gtx 1660 would run it pretty easily at over 100 fps with high quality