doom-eternal

[wary tree]

I don't see how that would hurt me or you, but that sure would help the people with horrible reaction times

you'd have to opt in anyways

[willow crag]

I just feel that's a mega specific idea for a game that's really not that hard on lower difficulties

[quaint root]

Don't worry I am willing to help you with that, I already have like 92 or something so I will ping you and tell you the max

[willow crag]

Aight bet we doin' a research project

[quaint root]

Tomorrow I'll do it, I can't rn tho☹️

[willow crag]

Yeah np

[wary tree]

I think many games could be improved with letting you make some adjustments

[willow crag]

Mfw options menu

And difficulty selection

[wary tree]

option menus don't have things like make the game slower by 20%

[willow crag]

Yeah because that would go against Eternal's basic design philosophy

You can slow the game down and take a breather using the weapon wheel

Or using the chrono strike rune

[wary tree]

I don't see how accessibility features are a bad thing in this case. most people wouldn't need it so they wouldn't turn it on, I also want those debug modes to come with a very clear warning

celeste has this warning attached to the menu

“Assist Mode allows you to modify the game’s rules to fit your specific needs. This includes options such as slowing the game speed, granting yourself invincibility or infinite stamina, and skipping chapters entirely. Celeste is intended to be a challenging and rewarding experience. If the default game proves inaccessible to you, we hope that you can still find that experience with Assist Mode.”
I think that's more than enough

[willow crag]

That is one of the only examples I have heard of that being a thing and I think there's a reason for that

[wary tree]

is it a good reason though?

[willow crag]

Yeah cause it's so unnecessary lol

[wary tree]

it's unnecessary for you and me

[willow crag]

I think it'd ruin the intended experience for a lot of games

[wary tree]

if you want to ruin the game for yourself that's on you, you can always use cheats anyways and I don't think many people would think of it as a regular option since it comes with a very obvious warning

you would't open that menu, neither will I and neither will Luci

it's for the person who's physically unable to play the game but wants to, some people are just really clumsy, some have very bad reaction times, I don't see why you'd want to not let them play the game

[willow crag]

Yeah fun fact, a vast majority of people would probably never open that menu

[wary tree]

I agree!

[willow crag]

You can't always consider everyone and everything

And at some point it's just unnecessary. There should be a sort of game for anyone but not any game should be for anyone

Anyway imma stop responding now since this discussion has gotten pretty pointless, no offense

[wary tree]

that's the point! it's pretty easy to implement and it helps some people experience the game

plus, they clearly wanted the game to be somewhat accessible with the sentinel armor and extra live system, so that would have been a good step

[empty basin]

Ultrakill also has a major assist option in the form of slowing down the game speed

It also has a percentage meter that sets the amount of damage taken

[willow crag]

Hinders the game

[empty basin]

Like yeah most people won't use it but it's an accessibility option in the first place

It's not meant to be used "normally"

[young mango]

nobodies forcing you to use it, I mean accessibility features are just that, maybe people without the motor function to properly proceed, or maybe just somebody who’s unnaturally bad at video games or technologically inept, as many people as possible should be able to enjoy it

[willow crag]

It was a joke

[young mango]

okay that’s my bad, didn’t catch it

[willow crag]

Nah dw, I didn't make it very clear either

[wanton notch]

Is anyone else having a problem on the switch where the super gore nest master level glitches out after you flip the second power switch? Or is it just me ;-;

[azure oriole]

Master levels are held together with paperclips and shoestring. For me, dying at any point causes consecutive doors to not function whatsoever. No way to fix it aside from restarting.

[midnight sparrow]

Hi

[azure oriole]

I feel you, fam. There are moments, like Taras Nabad, where the game will soft lock you in an encounter after you die, and it’s not ideal. Master Levels are tricky for the id team to do because it’s a layer on top of the base game. They know it, and honestly, the best way to avoid it is simply to master them using the lower difficulties before Nightmare.

Also, what’s up, fam? And you as well @midnight sparrow ?

[midnight sparrow]

I doubt that a Master Level is harder to design then a completely original level. All they do is add fog to an arena or a new demon, or a new barrier in a certain area. Or some purple goo and a tentacle

[midnight sparrow]

*New demon that usually isn’t in that level normally

[azure oriole]

pizza maccheroni con insalata di mare

jokes aside welcome!

[azure oriole]

wrong, if you want to design master levels you gotta be creative and know demon combinations

most ML from community are literally "me spam demons me good designer" which makes me detest the CBT and Master Levels

[foggy stratus]

I mean sometimes a "random bullshit go!" map is kinda fun

[azure oriole]

For the Cultist Base and ARC Complex Master Levels, that is very true. And agreed, no master level is more difficult than making a whole new level. But for Super Gore Nest, Taras and Mara Core, we got huge lasers, fog sections, Archviles spawning in dozens of new enemies, electric floors, the list goes on.

The World Spear is the kitchen sink, the fridge, and the entire apartment complex being thrown at you at 150 mph.

[azure oriole]

aye i don't blame them, it's sad they didn't release any new ML but ahem, the entity file for the levels are 500k lines long and it very obnoxious to play with it

And it’s freaking awesome.

I’m no coder or programmer, so I have no right to judge or question.

[inner pivot]

Hello everyone

[azure oriole]

Welcome, Slayer!

[azure oriole]

y ou don't need to be a coder to understand that a file of 500k lines of code is pure nightmare to update lol

though there are some tools with meathook console commands which makes it kind of easier

All I wanted to see was an Immora and Hell on Earth Master Levels, because could you imagine an Immora Master Level?!

Ask away!

[foggy stratus]

what

[azure oriole]

Marauder Vs Marine?

[primal thorn]

When is the winter mega event ending?

[foggy stratus]

like, which marine? your average completely normal marine? space marine? THE marine? cause the first 2 will probably die to the marauder, and THE marine...we see exactly how that works out for the marauder

[azure oriole]

Or the Marine of the Jarhead Clan (from the first J Cameron Avatar movie)

[foggy stratus]

regular marine: completely fucked
space marine: just a marine but more badass, still probably loses
THE marine: marauders fucked

[inner pivot]

Any tips and tricks for ultra nightmare? I want to try how far can i get

[foggy stratus]

play regular nightmare a LOT

until its consistently easy for you

[snow sand]

Have every weapon bind to one key and memorize the arenas

And dont feel discouraged because you died, because it will happen... A lot

[foggy stratus]

you should realistically only be attempting UN when you're consistently able to run regular nightmare with only a couple deaths at most (yes even extra life pops count, as UN lacks them)

after that its just a matter of patience, willpower, and keeping your sanity in check

[slow sigil]

regular guy: dies
regular guy: dies
super soldier: way better

[inner pivot]

I heard the first 3 levels are the most difficult, since theres not much stuff that can help you

[foggy stratus]

yes you dont have many tools especially in terms of movement

[slow sigil]

stop when you aren't having fun anymore

[azure oriole]

Indeed. Hell On Earth to Cultist Base is very difficult because you are without the full kit, and you have few upgrades available.

[willow crag]

...or you're a psychopath like me :)

[azure oriole]

We all possess just a touch of madness!

[foggy stratus]

and dont expect to win it first time, it seems obvious but seriously, you should expect and mentally prepare yourself for having to do several attempts, it is entirely possible to make it to the finish line and trip and die on the final boss, very frustrating but try not to let it get to you

[snow sand]

Cultist base is the real challenge

[foggy stratus]

UN is a long haul and you need to be ready for it

[slow sigil]

nah DHB is kinda chill, just freeze the boss

[inner pivot]

I played geometry dash and beated 12 demons, i know the feeling

[snow sand]

The boss is in doom hunter base

[slow sigil]

wdym i always said dhb

[snow sand]

I always used remote det ☠️

[slow sigil]

"kinda"

[snow sand]

I like it

[inner pivot]

I wonder which is better, sticky bomb mod or full auto mod?

[snow sand]

But yeah lock on is superior, it can even one circle marauders

[primal thorn]

when is the winter event ending???????

[slow sigil]

FA is kinda useless, it has 1 niche and that is with quad damage

[snow sand]

No idea

[foggy stratus]

full auto is literally the single worst mod in the game

[inner pivot]

I never in my playtrough used it a single time

[slow sigil]

nah, micro missiles is worse

[foggy stratus]

OBJECTION

[snow sand]

Full auto is even worse without mastery, it's literal waste of ammo

[inner pivot]

They are a bit good on Doom hunters

[foggy stratus]

they shred the khan makyr

[slow sigil]

imagine how actual good damage shreds her

[snow sand]

In comparison to precision bolt is kinda cruel tho

[inner pivot]

When i used it the first time i ran out of ammo

[slow sigil]

that's who you compare things
and even without and assuming combos are still as good, MM is bad

[snow sand]

Yes

[willow crag]

Micro Missiles is insanely powerful wdym

[foggy stratus]

still not as bad as FA

[inner pivot]

It is.

[willow crag]

It's more powerful than the chaingun, hate to break it to ya

[snow sand]

Chaingun sucks tho

[foggy stratus]

micro missiles eat through the khan makyrs health way faster than even turret mode

[snow sand]

Energy shield is the only reason to use it

[foggy stratus]

the turret mode does have the advantage of feeling fucking awesome though

[slow sigil]

Like.... when?

[willow crag]

And do way more damage to the icon of sin

[inner pivot]

Also mm is giving me trauma from that one challange in Doom 2016.

[slow sigil]

Turret mode is also bad though

[foggy stratus]

I literally said how micro missiles are better than it

[willow crag]

It has insane dps and eats through Khan Maykr and icon of sin health

[slow sigil]

Yeah but it's a bad comparisom as MT is also bad

[inner pivot]

Also is the unmayker usefull? It seems kind of useless to me

[foggy stratus]

not really

but you're never against a single enemy

[slow sigil]

"Insane dps" yeah, no it doesn't lol. Simply swaps outdamage it easily
For bosses, swaps are still better

Only barely and 1 enemy shouldn't trouble you

[willow crag]

Still really good

[inner pivot]

I can imagine using the unmayker on the Arch-vile, but i am surroundes by angered monsters or there are million other monsters nearby

[foggy stratus]

we're not saying its the absolute best damage output, just that its very serviceable there and has a use over full auto, which has none

[inner pivot]

It is, but its hard to find the ammo for it (not talking about the icon of sin battle)

[foggy stratus]

you can spend 30 bfg ammo using the unmakyr to take out one, maybe 2 big boys

or you can just nuke the entire arena and take out the 2 big ones and everyone else as well

[slow sigil]

Cause? All it does is damage and it's damage isn't good

[slow sigil]

It literallt uses the same ammo

[foggy stratus]

its still better than full auto

[slow sigil]

Nah, it's worse as it doesn't even have a niche

[foggy stratus]

what god damn niche does fa have

[snow sand]

Full auto you at least get ammo back

So you can finish demons and get some free shells with it

Not that useful tho

[foggy stratus]

it almost never gives you enough shells to be worth it

[slow sigil]

Quad damage synergy

[snow sand]

We already got the chainsaw for it

[willow crag]

Yes it is tho

[slow sigil]

Nah that's useless as your other guns get drained at the same speed, so you chainsae just as often

[slow sigil]

Maybe look at some swaps

[foggy stratus]

I think luci just says anything that isnt the absolute highest possible damage is "bad"

[willow crag]

Yeah I guess so

[slow sigil]

No but i am saying that if all it does is "damage", and then it's damage isn't even that good compared to other options then it is bad

[snow sand]

Usual doom eternal weapon mod elitism

[slow sigil]

Strength is relative

[foggy stratus]

you're doing exactly what I just said there

[slow sigil]

But i'm not talking about BATS

I'm talking simpler swaps then thag lmfao

[inner pivot]

I feel like the balista, the super shotgun and the ice bomb are the most OP trio in Doom Eternal

[foggy stratus]

micro missiles take out the khan makyrs health in like 2-3 seconds

I really dont care that swapping can take it out in 1.5

[foggy stratus]

not the most powerful, but definitely a serviceable and powerful combo for its ease of use

[slow sigil]

If you're talking about strength, you literally do care about it

[azure oriole]

Not really ssg, destroyer Blade Is op, chaingun Energy shield Is op too

[inner pivot]

Yea kinda true

[slow sigil]

You know it's fine to like, use worse things right?
Just don't confuse others by saying it's good, acknowledge that it's worse but you still like it

[azure oriole]

Ssg requires stun locking and close distance that doesn't really make It op

[foggy stratus]

its good, not the best, something not being the best, doesnt make it not good

[azure oriole]

Is terrible compared to lock on burst

[inner pivot]

But with the ice bomb you can freeze any enemy, and as i like to use the quick swap, i use the combo of switching the super shotgun and the ballista to deal massive damage

[azure oriole]

That's nice, i'm glad you're getting in the pace of the game

[slow sigil]

But it's multiple steps away from the best, and behind good too

[inner pivot]

Its not the best, but it can get rid of those shitty archviles and mauraders

[azure oriole]

If you want the best Just lock on burst iced enemies they melt

Precision bolt while throwing the ICE grenade, 2 lock on burst then ssg

[slow sigil]

Mm doesn't really compare to multiple things, not untill you compare it to "csg base fire without swasps"

[inner pivot]

Sounds interesting, might try it later

[slow sigil]

If you freeze an arch, 2 lockons is enough

[azure oriole]

Not for a Baron though

[foggy stratus]

again, its still better and more useful than full auto, outside stone imps (which the hammer works for too) there is literally no reason to use full auto outside it being cool

[inner pivot]

Barons aren't difficult in my opinion

[marsh grove]

i wouldnt even say that id more just say eternal is meant for real gamers. people complaining its too complicated are not the people you want to cater to, esp if you want a good game with lots of replayablity and a proper fan base. a high skill cealing is one of the best things you can have in your game.

[slow sigil]

"Better then the worst" doesn't make it good either though.
And again, there literally is. Quad damage so you can just continue blasting without worrying about running out

[foggy stratus]

quad damage will make literally everything good

[azure oriole]

Nah, the shotgun Is still crap even with that

[slow sigil]

Yeah and fa has it's niche there

[marsh grove]

try level mods or the master levels 😉

[inner pivot]

Even tho i can beat the living soul out of an Arch-vile with a shotgun with no mods, i never beated any master levels

[foggy stratus]

except it doesnt, cause if you have qd one, then everything else that is already better than fa, is better 4x over now

[slow sigil]

High damage guns tend to do TOO much damage to most demons and you waste time between shots

[marsh grove]

no hate just geninely wondering why because culist base is piss easy to me?

[willow crag]

Cause you're used to bs I guess

[snow sand]

After you get good cultist base is obviously easy

[foggy stratus]

cultist base caused the most deaths in my nightmare run, with 10 in total

[snow sand]

But as a first UN run was def the hardest for me

[foggy stratus]

the only level to reach double digits

(note I did not pick up any extra lives that playthrough)

[marsh grove]

interesting...

[inner pivot]

Tbh i don't even know what makes cultist base so difficult

[foggy stratus]

lack of options

[marsh grove]

idk probably a limited weapon pool

[inner pivot]

Sounds about right

[foggy stratus]

it throws things like mancubi and revenants at you and you still dont have your full kit yet

[snow sand]

Once I died in the second phase of final sin while trying my first UN clear..... It hurt me physically

[marsh grove]

iirc theres still a good amount of combos you can do with what you have in cultics base and pb sticky bombs isnt terrifible in of itself

[inner pivot]

For those 2 i use the percision bolt on the heavy cannon

[snow sand]

The first manncubi are free kills

Just use the traps

[foggy stratus]

thats exactly what they're saying lol

[slow sigil]

Strength is all relative to each other.
Sonething isn't good because you can use, it's good because it stands out more amongst it's competitors

[inner pivot]

Also which runes are the best?

[snow sand]

Heat blast is really good at the start tho, it deals high damage and falters enemies in your face

[snow sand]

Air control, the rest is your choice

The slow mo kinda sucks tho

[inner pivot]

I use air control, slowing time while airborn and being faster after a glory kill

[marsh grove]

slowmo is just a handicap when you actually need to aim in real time speed, better off just tingeing your actual real time aim

[foggy stratus]

and micro missiles on the khan makyr, is good, its not the absolute best yes but its still a very serviceable way to beat the boss

[inner pivot]

It may be the worst but i got used to it

[snow sand]

I mean, if you like the slow mo use it !

[foggy stratus]

counterpoint: it feels awesome

[marsh grove]

it is cool yeah lol

i loved it when i first played the game

[snow sand]

Mostly try to beat the game your way

Just find what is better for you, the game is dynamic enough for it

[foggy stratus]

you could also use it not to aim shots, but to take a moment and process the battlefield

[slow sigil]

Usually air control as it makes movement a lot easier, but for the rest they compare pretty evenly.
Only further GK reach is a bit useless compared to longer staggers, faster GKs can make demons not pathfind away in time and give you less of a "breather" (though it makes GKs feel more fluid imo). And chrone... is mixed

[inner pivot]

Now that i think of it, the rune that gives you a second chance is a lot better than the fastening after a glory kill

[marsh grove]

i would personally swap the slowing time while aim born to the restacking equipment one or to reach reach glory kill from fruther away but thats just me

[slow sigil]

I mean, pause button, weapon wheel...

[marsh grove]

man i cant type for shit today

[foggy stratus]

my goto runes are air control, longer range glory kills, and glory kills being available for longer, swapping longer range glory kills for saving throw on nightmare

[snow sand]

It works once per level tho

[slow sigil]

It's only once, recharges after death
Maybe ok for UN but regurly, eb

[foggy stratus]

it works once per life

[inner pivot]

I always fight very close to enemies so no need for that for me, and if i know i can't reach a staggered enemy i just shoot it down

[inner pivot]

I would say that for UN its a tiny bit usefull

[slow sigil]

Maybe barely but lhan is such a nothing burger that "is a bot better against khan" will never make it good

[dapper basin]

Hi guys

[inner pivot]

Hello

[dapper basin]

I'm new

[inner pivot]

Welcome, new slayer

[willow crag]

It's good but it's not the meta therefore it's not good

[dapper basin]

Thanks

[marsh grove]

yeah thats fair, the "reach glory kills from further away" is def the less good one from the ones i suggested and its use's are kinda limited but it can save your ass the odd time. if you can use the one that lets you rechange your eqipment stacks by getting kills with the equipment and you use it effectively its really devastating, youll be basically getting twice as many ice bombs and frag grenades, flame blech charges, its super duper good for the master levels where they basically throw so much shit at you youre 100% going to do some damage with any kinda frag, iice bomb, flame belch you throwout even if you dont plan it so well

[slow sigil]

Also, equipment fiend (reduces equipment cooldowns after kill under effect of it) works with the flames of meathook tomake flamebelch recharge faster

[foggy stratus]

I like longer range glory kills but ill take them being available for longer if I had to only choose one

[inner pivot]

I kinda forgot that, that rune existed

[marsh grove]

yeah that rune is super good lol

[slow sigil]

It's not good because there are better options yeah
That is how relative strength works

[foggy stratus]

I dont use ef but its definitely a good one

[slow sigil]

Ik it's not good but i really like faater glory kills

[inner pivot]

Also i feel like the crucible is a weapon that can kill anything, but i never use it

[marsh grove]

i actually didnt know that i def think ill be swapping one out the demons stay staggered for longer for that

[foggy stratus]

faster glory kills actually saved a secret encounter a couple times for me, where normal glory kill speed would've ran out of time

[snow sand]

There's no point in meta unless your talking about competition like Speedrun, as long as your good enough you can beat the game with any weapons mod and runes

[willow crag]

That reasoning is so cringe lmao

[slow sigil]

I mean... you could've just shot it lol

[marsh grove]

yeah basically

[snow sand]

We shouldn't be limited to the meta as a casual player

Just beat UN your way

[slow sigil]

Excuse me but how else do you categorize usefulness in a game?

[slow sigil]

A casual player wouldn't care

[foggy stratus]

certainly not in the "everything thats not the absolute meta best possible is F tier garbage" way

[marsh grove]

thats the beauty of a game like this, you can express yourself in your playstyle, weapon chocies, combo choices, even gameplay strats

[snow sand]

Só there's no point in keeping mentioning meta right?

[marsh grove]

personally i kinda just go with the flow of battle but ik some people who will lead demons into groups to ice bomb and do stuff like that

[snow sand]

As we are all casuals

[slow sigil]

I never said it was garbage, just that it wasn't good

[marsh grove]

its great

[foggy stratus]

thats the same thing

[snow sand]

The line is really thin between these 2

[willow crag]

How well does it relative to how much work it takes to use it effectively

[inner pivot]

Would Doom Eternal be harder if the armor worked like in the OG Doom? I mean like it would take both your health and armor away at the same time. If you played the OG Doom you know what i mean

[slow sigil]

If there are limited things, sure
But everything safe for crucible and bfg is infinite

[snow sand]

Depends on damage reduction, if it's 50% it would be basically the same, since you have more health than armor your armor would deplete faster anyway

[slow sigil]

If you don't want to talk about how good things are, sure we can stop talking about how good things are

[marsh grove]

logicially yes

[snow sand]

We are not even talking about it, it's just you and hat going back and forth in the same argument for minutes

[marsh grove]

you wouldnt really be able to full save yourself by only picking up armor youd also have to think about picking restacking up health, it could be kinda interesting actually i wouldnt mind playing a mod like that with classic doom damage systems

since you can ice bomb and flame belch to get both armor and health back you could totally play though the game like that

[inner pivot]

It would be fun in my opinion

[primal thorn]

why am I not able to sync my steam with doom eternal?

[inner pivot]

Also thank GOD there aren't turbo pinkies in Doom eternal

[snow sand]

Sync like your save ?

[primal thorn]

yes

[snow sand]

Do you have steam cloud on ?

[primal thorn]

yes I think so

[snow sand]

It should simply save automatically though it

[marsh grove]

there effeficelty is sorry to tell you.. buffed pinkies exist and yes they are a total fuycking pain

[snow sand]

Buff totem pinks

[azure oriole]

Not really

[limpid stirrup]

armored pinkies

[inner pivot]

FUCK

[foggy stratus]

the dlc:

[marsh grove]

not to mention possesed pinkies lmfao

[inner pivot]

I don't have the dlcs

[foggy stratus]

you should get them, they continue the story and they're really fun

[inner pivot]

I might buy em

[snow sand]

The small room from TAG 2 , oh god

[marsh grove]

the possessed pinkies are even worse they have more health and dont stagger as easy as well as having the speed buff its literal hell lol

[inner pivot]

But i tried horde mode and i think about my opinions

[snow sand]

Both are great, tag 2 last boss sucks ass tho

[foggy stratus]

not much to say about horde mode, its a fun extra thing you can do

the dlcs on the other hand are just straight up continuations of the campaign

kinda similar to hl2 episode 1 and 2 if you played those

[snow sand]

Blood swamps best level in the game tho

[inner pivot]

I tried them, not my cup of tea

[slow sigil]

Well, kind off
Story goes wild in p2, and the difficulty curve goes steep in tag1 but then... reverses in 2...

[marsh grove]

you gotta do the master levels after the base game those are the bread and butter after the main game, as well as the DLC, do the DLC then go into the master level, some people will say UV which is def a thing you can do if youre interested but personally i think its dumb, i like the fully kitted combat @inner pivot

[snow sand]

Yeah tag 2 breaks the pace of the game

And stone imps are boring

[inner pivot]

I tried master levels and never again

Pain in the ass tbh

[marsh grove]

what???? and you call yourself "the doom slayer" smhhh

[snow sand]

Try taras nabad

[foggy stratus]

main campaign, then ag1 and 2, then everything else imo

get the story all in one go, it kinda sucks that doom has a reputation of not being story focused so many people ignore it, which is fine for people that dont care about it, but I think the story is genuinely really cool and a lot of people seem to actively be discouraged from looking into it even though theyd probably really like it

[inner pivot]

Well i have to admit here, i did UV classic mode

[marsh grove]

i mean yeah you def have to have MASTED the gameplay loop hence MASTER levels but they are so fucking fun once you know the gameplay loop my god it gets the heart racing goooood

[snow sand]

Try them on UN no super weapons

[inner pivot]

I lost my nerves over cyber mancubi

[inner pivot]

I hate em

[marsh grove]

i should try classic mode tbh, it looks interesting i like having to explore around to finmd stuff

[snow sand]

I was never able to beat taras nabad UN without BFG

[foggy stratus]

I always meat hook>blood punch>ssg>glory kill cyber mancubi

it was a bit riskier on nightmare but still worked out ok

[inner pivot]

Its fun, if you don't play gore nest

[snow sand]

The double arch is way too RNG

[marsh grove]

remember blood punch is your best friend but ALSO not your only way, theyre super weak to rockets as well as just the general ssg combos

rocket pb, ssg balista, lock on rockets, all great against cyber macs

[inner pivot]

I always us blood punch on accident and when i need to use it on them, im out of thrm

[foggy stratus]

yeah that was my goto combo but if I didnt have blood punch or I messed that combo up, a good thing to remember is they're armored

not invincible, shooting them still does damage

[slow sigil]

Because in eternal you practically always have access to all your equipment. So ofc everything becoms comperable.
And generally, there isn't a singular best thing you only do. But it is definitely the case that some things just aren't good. Like mm, all it does is damage, and it's damage is eh. That just isn't good no matter how you spin it

[marsh grove]

remember your options and keep to the fastest thing you cc an use to kill the maj\c at the time

[inner pivot]

Yea and also, Arch-viles suck ASS

[foggy stratus]

thats their job

[slow sigil]

I mean... i discourage being excited for it as i was once, then tag2 scattered it all

[inner pivot]

Indeed it is, but they don't have to buff all the monsters, maybe only the ones they spawn. Well tbh its my skill isuee but that doesnt matter rn

[marsh grove]

tthats what i mean, remember youir many options thats why i listed a few things, you arent always going to have a blood punch for a cyber manc thats the reason why you rememebr other combos that kill the cyber manc

[snow sand]

I don't think tag 2 is bad, I had a lot of fun with it, but tag one is much better

[marsh grove]

even if you wanna just do a triple lock on burst, that brings it like 1 or 2 shots from death

[snow sand]

World spear master level is how tag 2 should be by default

[wanton notch]

Thanks

[foggy stratus]

I found that very useful, cause it alerts me of an archviles presence, an archvile is way worse when theres one hiding somewhere and you dont know there is one

[slow sigil]

Not as in "i block them from ever knowing more" but i will let them know that tag2 did bundle up the ball

[marsh grove]

sometimes its worth wasting 9 rockets jsut to get rid of the cyber manc esp if you know you have a gas pip

[inner pivot]

Yea i will have to find more combos, i can't use only a single thing

[inner pivot]

I hate that, but as you said, its a great way to get alerted

[marsh grove]

a lot of people make the mistake of getting stuck on one combo for an enemy, even i can find myself doing that but its good to have several backup plans

[inner pivot]

Indeed it is a great thing to have backups

[snow sand]

Cyber manc-> SSG - blood punch - SSG, it insta kill them and you don't take damage because they get double faltered

[slow sigil]

Usually i just go "random BS go!" And just attack with whatever my fingers land on alternating from pb

[foggy stratus]

get a few combos you can fall back onto and never forget your final combo you can always fall onto: "random bullshit go!"

sometimes if you're in a pickle just start pushing all the buttons and it might work

[marsh grove]

i was always telling him like 3 rocket bursts and ssg shot does the job as well if you dont have a blood punch and you just need that asshoile out of your way

[foggy stratus]

(this combo is less recommended on UN)

[inner pivot]

I feel like this places teaches me more than i teached myself playing the game

[slow sigil]

Except for arachnos, i always tend to pb bal pb rocket them for some reason no matter what

[marsh grove]

theres many options, and the better you get the more youll go form "aw fuck that was unfaire" to "aw fuck i shouldnt have used rockets there"

[snow sand]

There is a lot of players with experience here for sure

[foggy stratus]

as long as the demons died and you didnt it worked perfectly

[inner pivot]

Yea, i only completed arc complex master level on hurt me plenty, my only master level i did

Because fuck Gore Nest

[slow sigil]

Fyi arc is a ML from before id knew how to make real MLs
It's a lot less mild then the others (except for the pre order CB ml)

[marsh grove]

while thats generally true there is also a whole "ammo cost" you should keep in the back of your mind esp in times where you are not really being pressued all that much, like i tend to save my rockets for tense situations where im just like "fucking DIE ALREADY" and im like just need that health drop from whatever is almost killing me

[snow sand]

CB master level is easier than late game main campaign levels lol

[inner pivot]

Tbh gore nest is one of my least favorite levels in doom eternal. This may be extremly controversial but its my opinion

[slow sigil]

Meh any pb swaps that isn't SLOB can be easily gained back before you run out

[foggy stratus]

yeah but also chainsaw

[snow sand]

The arenas are really brutal tho

[marsh grove]

i suppose so yeah, i have been working just regular rocket launcher shots into my combos a lil more recently and its been doibng me a lot more good but i still tend to keep a few in my back pocket just in cas

[snow sand]

3 archis in the last arena

[inner pivot]

Yea, on master level i hate the foggy room

And the last arena

[marsh grove]

maybe not the most useful thing to do ever but ive personally found some use to leaving myself a few rockets, its saved me before

[foggy stratus]

its lower on the list for me too, not exactly sure why, as far as I can tell the level is perfectly fine but its just not as fun for some reason

[inner pivot]

They suck ass

I still havent got an album from that level and i am NOT willing to get it

[slow sigil]

Well that's the ML

[marsh grove]

if you think that foggy room is bad hahahah, the mars core master level has a fog room that has purple goo that spawns like 6 spectre whiplashes, 2 barons of hell and a cyber demon (tyrant)

[inner pivot]

[marsh grove]

that one is just a murauder that has very little pressure for you to fight its childplay compared to that smars core one lol

[inner pivot]

Even tho true, my blind ass can't find him

[slow sigil]

High priority targets and some peeps just... idk can't handle that?

[marsh grove]

yeah the odd time i dont see him spawn and he wrecks me on super gore next lmfao

[slow sigil]

Esp cause after 1 death you can easily just spawncamp them

[inner pivot]

When i can't find him he spawns that annoying ass wolf

Even tho the wolf does almost no damage, i hate him

[marsh grove]

thats the thing, if you dont know theyre gonna spawn or arent ready they spawn a bunch of stuff and their attacks do a bunch of damage, i def think people hate them a lil more than they should because they arent THAT hard but they are def one of the more annoying to deal with enemies that have a lot of ares where you can fuck up and die p easy if you dont respect them

but thats the thing, respect the archvile and focus it as soon as you possibly see it and its not a huge issue

[marsh grove]

ahaha yeah the fire fuckers will trigger the wolf with their infighting sometimes

if you hate that theres a mod to fix that, it was never meant to be like that iirc but they never did patch it out and most people consider that as part of the difficulity of the murader at this point

[inner pivot]

Tbh the wolf is just annoying, but when i see that bite mark on my screen i just ger enraged like i took a berserk pack

[marsh grove]

not focusing an archvile as soon as you see it is kinda foolish but ok

tbf ig most of the archviles im remembering are from the master levels adn they spawn like, a bunch of heavy demons most of the time in the master levels and i remember the base game ones werent nearly as bad

[slow sigil]

They have attacks that can target you through walls afaik and can summon demons whilst acting as a buff totem.
It's pretty unlikely you end up somewhere where they aren't priority nmr 1

[marsh grove]

like i said theres a mod that makes the in fighting no longer trigger the dog, it was supposedly never meant to be like that but they never patched it out, but like i said most people at this point consider the random dog spawns to be part of the difficulity, but "technically" im p sure it is not meant to spawn the dog unless YOU shoot the shield and not the demons

[inner pivot]

Also a funny thing is that someone made a Doom 2 wad that was litteraly Doom eternal but with bad graphics and on Doom 2

[marsh grove]

personally id never use that mod i consider the random dog spawns part of the difficulty as well, and id never see the dog if it werent for the infighting because im juist not gonna accidently shoot the shield like, ever

[slow sigil]

Yeah, the devs took it in as they found it "fun".
How they didn't find the marauder even more of a hastle to deal with is beypnd me but ok

It's not just the dog either, infighting can make the marauder just cancel his attack mid swing

[inner pivot]

If i understand the Maurader, if you don't give attention to him he spawns the wolf?

[marsh grove]

eh i personally enjoy the murauder but i def can see the argument that it doesnt fit in with the flow of gameplay becasue i do have to comepltely change how im playing whenever i see a marauder but i also think thats what they were going for too

i dont think they were implimented the best in the base game, theey were too afraid to pressure you with too much while having a muraduer as well but thats really where they shine the most it turns into a really strategic game of trying to deal with other heavies while also timing in those muruader hits, mars core double murauder section ftw i LOVE that

[snow sand]

No

[marsh grove]

yeah thats annoying as fucking hell

[snow sand]

It spawns the dog when anything hits his shield, including enemy fire

[inner pivot]

I see

[marsh grove]

when anything hits the shield but orginally what i was trying to tell you was it was supposed to only be when YOU hit the shield the dog spawns but they didnt ever fix it

[inner pivot]

Well fuck

[marsh grove]

if you hate the dog you can mod it so youll bascially never see it unless you hit the shield yourself but yeah most peopel consider random dog spawns to be part of the difficulity of him at this point

[slow sigil]

I'd argue the opposite, they shine even less with other demons. Partly because of the infoghting but mostly because of how the marauder works.
They basically want you to sit still in roughly 1 spot, wait for it to get close to and then wait for ot to opem and then combo it.
This in an arena filled with demons is madness, typically you just kill everything else and then 1v1 the mara as it makes it wayyy more easier then fighting it with actual support

The bmaykr are a better use of the stoplight mechanic imo

[snow sand]

Skill issue

You can one circle it with slob + grenade

[slow sigil]

You have to keep attention on them, but whilst you fight other demons as they punish you severely for ignoring them.
Alone they are boring, but they absolutely shine in arenas

[foggy stratus]

normally id be against modding to adjust the difficulty, but thats one im probably ok with cause thats almost certainly a bug anyway and given ids activity regarding de I dont expect its gonna be patched soon

[marsh grove]

yeah but then the one on one with the murauder is just childsplay tho idk like i like having to deal with them with other heavies thats what makes them not a snoozefest, i think that was mostly their issue in the main game too is because half the time when there was a murauder you could just clear everything out and take him out after which is basically easy because we all know that easy combos to take him out

[slow sigil]

Sounds also rather boring

[snow sand]

It's the meta tho

[marsh grove]

its not gonna be patched ever* so yeah lol, even im considering adding it tbh once i start playing with mods

[foggy stratus]

yeah, so not soon

[slow sigil]

So marauder keeps on being bad

[snow sand]

Iam just joking, don't take it personally lol

[marsh grove]

i highly doubt theyll ever patch this game again sadly

[snow sand]

I don't one circle it with slob tho and I don't have a hard time with them

[foggy stratus]

they're giving de the valve treatment

[snow sand]

Not my favorite enemy tho

But he is great design for me still

[slow sigil]

Same, i just find them annoying and bad

[marsh grove]

yeah thats fair like not liking the muaurders is hella valid because theyre a buggy mess lets be honest

their AI is fucking HORRIBLE

their tracking is the worst in the game they randomly jump over and around shit for no reason and i do not know why

[slow sigil]

And also quite a bit boring as you either wait millenia for them, or ypu just use slob on them

[marsh grove]

seriously what the fuck is with the murauders tracking with how they randomly jump when theres a clear walking path to you

ill go to shoot him and the mf jumps for seemingly no reason

[foggy stratus]

marauders are usually just

"oh this guy, alright come over here away from everyone else so I can deal with you"

I dont dislike fighting them at all

[slow sigil]

Did you know that if you shoot marauders perfectly when they green eye, they still play the sound effect and the flash yet still block your shot?

[marsh grove]

lmao ive had that happen to me

[snow sand]

The possessed one

[slow sigil]

Punished for playing well, my favourite

[slow sigil]

Nah that one just has "higher" falter treshholds

[marsh grove]

has anyone else expereincd this, its not just me right? the muraders tracking is weird right??? like i swear it makes these weird paths to you or jumps around/over shit it does not need to to get to you for seemingly no reason

[foggy stratus]

marauders are supposed to use their shotgun to just get the player away from them but they seem to really like using it just cause

like how about YOU back up buddy

[marsh grove]

lmao true

[foggy stratus]

like bro im against a wall, I know you dont like me being in your face but you're the one invading my bubble, so stop bitching about it and go go gadget green eyes already

[marsh grove]

sometimes im looking at a murauder and im like "man wtf are you even doing im over here why are you jumping up onto that ledge im litterally a straight walking distance in front of you"

[foggy stratus]

one time I saw a marauder just full sprinting into a wall, like he was stuck there and just doing the full sprint animation at the wall

he got out of it when I got close cause he shotgunned me

[slow sigil]

Once killed a mara with the explosion of a mancubi GK

[snow sand]

Y'all knew that the marauder will never cross your aim by himself ? So if you have him to your right to your cross air for example he will keep moving through your right way

[marsh grove]

i meant pathing*

i swear its not just me

[snow sand]

Maybe related to what I just said

You can kinda manipulate marauders with it

[marsh grove]

huh, interesting

ill keep that in mind next time they arent behaving them

[snow sand]

Really niche but cool

[marsh grove]

maybe thats why he makes those weird jumps sometimes then too then

[snow sand]

Yeah, to avoid your cross air

[marsh grove]

damn the muraduder was smarter than i thought lol

[snow sand]

The green eyes are junky tho lol

Just like the gladiator

Fuck this guy, he just doesn't falter half of the time

[marsh grove]

thats another reason to like the murauder, i can think of so many times in the mars core double murauder sections where ive had like literal spirt seconds to attack him because theres so much going on, i can think of several times where that whole crosshair thing has fucked me over because he (seemingly randomly) moves and throws me the fuck off

now ill make sure ill always try to "aim into him" as hes going into the green eyes not just hold my crosshair on him

[snow sand]

Aim the side you don't want him to go and boom, get baited dumass marauder

[marsh grove]

that double murauder section was the first "fucking hell YESAHH" moment i had and probably the hardest ive gotten stuck in this game in a while and i can confidently say i came out of that section better at this game it took me a good 3 hours just to beat that one section and i really learned a lot in that time

in the mars core master level

next time i do it i could probably do it under an hour

its kinda funny that section was harder than the ending i think

the end was pretty damn hard though dont get me wrong

[wanton notch]

dude i fucking hate doom on the switch. i cant even get through horde mode without it crashing

[snow sand]

Lmaooooo

30 fps gaming

[wanton notch]

im gonna kms i hate this stupid console

but i cant buy a pc because n o m o n e y

[inland kite]

i keep losing revives on nightmare

do i just suck ass or am i simply not ready for nightmare since i usually play on ultra violence

i know how to exploit the game (kinda)

[azure oriole]

It just means you need to play on nightmare more often, Fam! Ultra-Violence let’s you get away with a lot more stuff.

[inland kite]

im pretty sure theres an achievement for beating eternal on ultra nightmare

so simply, get the icon of sin to very low hp on the last body part

and when its low just switch it to ultra violence and keep firing at it

[azure oriole]

It’s still fun, but practice brings improvement. And yes here is an achievement for completing the campaign on Ultra-Nightmare!

[inland kite]

boom

[inland kite]

nightmare?

[azure oriole]

No achievement for completing on Nightmare.

Ultra-Nightmare is the achievement.

[inland kite]

then might as well switch it to ultra nightmare once i get the icon to low hp on the last body part

[azure oriole]

Impossible, friend! Once you start Ultra-Nightmare, you cannot switch.

Ultra-Nightmare will end when you beat the game, die, or quit the game in the middle of a level.

Ah, I see. I play on PS4 and PS5, and one day will play on PC, once I have one that runs Eternal effectively, and I can play the mods. Because whooooooo, Unreclaimed Earth is INSANE.

Speaking of insane levels, I keep thinking about Master Levels I hoped the id team could do, and the one I wanted most was Immora from TAG 2.

[round needle]

Hello, im having issues with doom eternal not launching on steam, I searched the issues and tried all the solutions that worked for people and those didn't worked. Contacted bethesda support and tried the solutions from their "advanced tech team", no luck. Anyone else have this issue and found another way to fix it?

[rocky lion]

how long is this winter mega event gonna go for

[inland kite]

for some reason playing on nightmare isnt fun not because of losing revives every fucking nanosecond but because it doesnt feel the same as ultra violence

[snow sand]

yeah, its harder

[young mango]

this type of stuff doesn’t even work with regular nightmare, like in the DLC where you get achievements for beating the individual levels on nightmare, if you switch difficulties at any point or start at another difficulty you won’t get the achievement

so even if you could switch to ultra nightmare like that I doubt it would do anything

[inland kite]

yeah but thats the dlc

im playing on campaign

[young mango]

why would it be any different functionality wise

if you check the settings where you change difficulty, ultra nightmare isn’t an option, it has to be manually selected from the difficulty select screen and played to completion from beginning to end, if it were that easy to get the completion screen everybody ever would’ve completed ultra nightmare at this point

[grand fulcrum]

taras nabad why so difficult

[wanton notch]

its really not :<

[silver holly]

Archvile ._.

[wanton notch]

taras nabad is a really fun level, but can be challanging on ultraviolence and nightmare.

if you cant beat it on those two difficulties, i recommend hurt me plenty.

i mean, im completely comfortable beating the base game, tag1 and tag2 on ultra violence, and im trying to work myself up to nightmare so I can beat all three on un

[silver holly]

Do you have suggestions for the ancient gods I might start a playthrough soon

[wanton notch]

Dont stop moving, play on ultra violence or lower for tag1 and any for tag2

depending on your skill level and what you play on, be sure to utilize quick switch and some techs like quick destroyer blade and double destroyer blade.

depending on the patch

[azure oriole]

For the Ancient Gods - Part One, understand that there will be every demon from the base campaign, and will introduce new ones. Do not panic, and as Yoshi said, don’t stop moving, use Destroyer Blade, and Lock-On Burst Rocket Launcher and Chaingun’s Energy Sield.

Tailor your runes, don’t panic, and get good at jumping and shooting in mid-air!

[wanton notch]

what he said >:)

[silver holly]

Ok thanks just started UAC Atlantica

[wanton notch]

Have fun the Turrets strewn everywhere

and two 4 different marauders

[silver holly]

Oh dear god

[small helm]

Don't worry, next 2 levels are gonna be a lot more ball busting

[wanton notch]

Especially the Holt

[silver holly]

What's that

[wanton notch]

The third level.

And last level. and one arena has two tyrants and a doom hunter spawn within like a 10 meter radius

[silver holly]

Fun

[wanton notch]

Very

and one of the tyrants has a spirit

which you find out what that is soon

have fun with tag1 because you wont have as much fun with tag2. tag2 is much easier

[late portal]

Anyone wanna help me boost MP trophies please?

[muted harness]

I just bought Doom Eternal and it's sooooo awesome!!!!!

[silver holly]

Just finished the atlantica level

The achievement name is very fitting

[azure oriole]

Awesome, Nidhi!

And that’s awesome, @silver holly!!

[silver holly]

Thanks

[wary tree]

I did, I liked it a lot

[chilly hedge]

How many minutes do I need to survive in the Taras Nabad mission? I think I stayed for 2 or 3 minutes. How can I finish? (archville)

[empty basin]

Uh you gotta kill the Archvile

Basically just charge a Lock-On Rocket volley when he's doing his summoning animation and you'd get an easy kill

Or are you referring to "that" particular room in the Master Level?

[chilly hedge]

I went to the statue and the war started. I survived for 2 3 minutes. I couldn't finish it.

[empty basin]

You gotta find the Archvile and kill it, it's not a survival-type encounter

He's hiding in the hallways of the second floor

usually the one behind you the moment you enter the garden

[chilly hedge]

thx for tactic

i will use

and i will kill archville

[ocean cedar]

I keep dying on exultia and it pisses me off

I have played hell on earth now 4 times today and I absolutely despise the 2 early levels especially hell on earth

[azure oriole]

Maybe play on hurt me plenty

What do you struggle with?

[ocean cedar]

I use both

[azure oriole]

Yes but you can finish the game using full auto only

Is not really a matter of weapon Is more like what you do for dying

[ocean cedar]

The areas with electric floor and hellknights. You can't really move, right now I got stuck on the pillars laying around

[azure oriole]

Hah, well in that case Just Jump and Dash from floor to floor

That too, or Just 4 stickies and you kill 1

The point of that room Is to use the Dash and cover distance with It

[ocean cedar]

I am good at deleting the 1st one with missile

[azure oriole]

You can also save up 3 chainsaw fuels

[ocean cedar]

Oh and my main problem is that these fodder demons have aimbot

[azure oriole]

Do you know how the aimbots work?

[ocean cedar]

No

[azure oriole]

Basically the faster you move the less you get hit, literally enemies lose accuracy if you move fast

And enemies Will predict the shot based on your inputs

[ocean cedar]

And that is very hard when you do not have dash

[azure oriole]

Not really, Just strafe

[empty basin]

Just stay on the platforms

and use the monkey bar in the middle to easily get to the other side of the room

[ocean cedar]

Guess I'll have to do this once more

[azure oriole]

Get this, as long as you know how to move you won't die

Best advice lol

[willow crag]

I use sticky bombs and precision bolts

Hell knights are pretty easy to deal with after a while

Especially as you get more familiar with their behavior

The real bastards are gargoyles, whiplashes and carcasses

[ocean cedar]

I am so unlucky holy sh I can't even get there

wasting so much time playing thiss

[willow crag]

To be fair as long as you have at least two rockets in your clip they are a lot easier with lock on

[ocean cedar]

I will now make my try

first room done

[wary tree]

"that" room really isn't that hard

I'd say it's one of the easier one and I don't know why everybody's so hung up on it

[golden peak]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wG5jp8vP0WY&si=MHkwWytUeXTah6xl

[ocean cedar]

I DID IT! I beat exultia.. but now I need long break because cultist base is very very very hard and stressful

[primal thorn]

Ultra nightmare?

[inner moth]

i finished the campain

now what diffuculty should i replay in

[ocean cedar]

yes'

[primal thorn]

I already completed ultra nightmare and it took me 1 month just from the stress of not dying.

its really hard

[ocean cedar]

I have reached Sin once but he used some arena explosive that instantly killed me

[inner moth]

my first playthrough was on hurt me plenty

[ocean cedar]

ultra violence

then you do nightmare again and again lol

I don't believe so, maybe once it is all done

Then you probably can't on UN either

[azure oriole]

ah yes the chad mode

[inner pivot]

A question about UN.

Which sentinel crystal should i get first on UN?

Im not really sure whats the best one to upgrade from the start

Thanks

UN Exultia time

[empty basin]

It's hard at first because it's easy to get overwhelmed with the increased enemy aggression, and most importantly that a lot of people just forget about the bottom path since it's just never really used in the base campaign

So they end up thinking that the arena only has two paths, with one of them being blocked by the barrier

[ocean cedar]

I like to go 1. Health in quickdraw belch and my 2. Ammo in loot from further away to 3. finish 1.

[midnight bolt]

Invasion Mode is not real

Hi

Medium rare

[glossy warren]

2016

and up to eternal, not including dlcs

david levy and andrew hulshult did those

[azure oriole]

Indeed they are lifeless

Is Just ambient music not argent metal

[midnight bolt]

I disagree

[azure oriole]

Maybe i didn't get too much into listening to them since they weren't composed by Mick

Can you suggest me One i want to give It a try, but world spear OST Is very... Idk Is Just doesn't pump as sgn

Hell yeah

Okay i listened to some tag 2 osts and ugh, they are heavy but don't resemble the pace of the game in my opinion

Chads

[stable glen]

hey does anyone wanna hop on battlemode to help me with a milestone

we need another person tho

i wanna do "that escalated quickly"

[azure oriole]

Prove It no air control dblade or chaingun shield

[glossy warren]

you dont need air control

[young mango]

dblade is genuinely fun to use tho

[azure oriole]

I know but you literally skip encounters with It

[young mango]

there’s only a few instances in the game where I can think of skipping encounters with the dblade happens and it’s because those encounters have a “0 of (x) enemy” at any given time instead of an actual clear condition

[mossy ridge]

I have officially beat all unique bosses with the inf ammo BFG-9000

[strange gale]

no lob or equipment launcher on that list?

[mossy ridge]

also why the hell is there literal R34 of the khan maykr

[azure oriole]

No Lob and cryo grenade

[young mango]

1, keep it sfw, 2, how and why do you know this

[azure oriole]

And hammer, These are the Honor bound rules

[mossy ridge]

It's on e621

[strange gale]

@azure oriole
flame belch trivializes restacking (meathook already does that but flame belch makes you unkillable)

frag grenades trivialize marauders even without lob, you can do any combo and a grenade will ensure regular/buffed maras die in one interaction

[rocky lion]

Yo how long is the winter event thing

[azure oriole]

Get out with that furry shit

[young mango]

boo you suck

[azure oriole]

This Is a normal chat about Doom not nsfw ffs

[young mango]

but yes I agree we shouldn’t be talking about that type of stuff, but this isn’t a furry issue more like a they should probably keep this weird stuff to themselves issue

[strange gale]

doesn't seem very "honor bound" to me

[rocky lion]

How long this winter event last for

[young mango]

forever idfk these events been lasting 4 months or sumshit lately

[rocky lion]

Shi that's crazy

Got nothing to do in doom now

[young mango]

you can like play It and stuff

[rocky lion]

I finished it

[azure oriole]

Idk ask sav about the name

[slow sigil]

maybe try to have fun

[young mango]

people should like play with their own restrictions and stuff instead of trying to conform to others play styles

[azure oriole]

I don't really care about it being furry shit. I just think talking about [WORD REDACTED BECAUSE THE AUTOMOD HATES ME] here is cringe.

[young mango]

lately I’ve been speedrunning and that means no holds barred except for things considered major glitches

[azure oriole]

Is more of a "no cheesy tools mode" i Guess Is Nothing serious

[strange gale]

doom eternal is inherently unbalanced in the player's favor, a ruleset that bans a couple tools here and there won't change that

[azure oriole]

Trust me It Will

[young mango]

cheesy tools is a slippery slope, might as well remove super shotgun while you’re at it because you can just spam 1600 damage over and over again with punchswapping, then might as well get rid of punchswapping, then after enough removal it’s nothing but an unfun game

[strange gale]

quickswapping is also a hilariously strong tool

just doing basic pb swaps means you don't have to interact with most of the enemies on a moveset level

[young mango]

the fact that the strongest two weapon combo ( pb ssg ) doesn’t even utilize FSE, tells you how busted quickswapping is

[strange gale]

faltering is also busted because 1 falter into any combo means most enemies die without getting a chance to retaliate

the ones that don't are usually lacking in other areas and aren't threatening in "neutral"

[azure oriole]

Question: Why wouldn't this be SSG Ballista? Ballista's not stronger than PB, right? I'm not really well-versed when we get up higher in gameplay tech.

[young mango]

I don’t give myself insane restrictions when I do restrict myself, just get rid of superweapons and stuff

[young mango]

ssg ballista is very close but pbs bring up and bring down speed is fast enough to outmatch the raw damage of the ballista

[strange gale]

yeah, why doesn't the "no cheesy tools mode" start with just banning quickswapping so the enemies actually get to be somewhat threatening?

[slow sigil]

automatic guns swap faster basically

[azure oriole]

Why do you have to ping me for you points

[young mango]

that’s playing the campaign the way the devs intended

[azure oriole]

I didn't realize weapons had different up and down speeds.

[strange gale]

grrrrrrrrahhhh i love intended%

[azure oriole]

I think i stopped caring about the discussion when you didn't even let me breath for One Moment that you started Bombarding me with stuff how am i supposed to even shortly reply to all of your statements xD

But yeah i didn't force anyone mine was Just a joke, Honor bound Just pushes you to embrace movement and that's It

The only restriction I use when playing Doom Eternal is I don't use the BFG or the Crucible outside of the Icon's fight. Both are boring weapons.

[slow sigil]

wdym "just kill enemy with no effort" isn't fun???? i love basically stopping to properly play the game it's such great design!!!

[azure oriole]

Really hoping the next game stops with such an emphasis on quickswitching, too. It is boring. I want weapons to stand up more on their own.

[young mango]

“Embrace movement” “no air control” actually insane

[azure oriole]

Yes because now i have to read another pile of statements over pointless statements without way to get to a conclusion

Just cease it.

[young mango]

hey man you’re being really defensive

[azure oriole]

Idc Just stop

[young mango]

I did what you wanted and avoided pinging you, I’m trying to be nice

[strange gale]

you have that perception because of how the game is played at a high level, look up de gameplay on youtube and you'll find that most people play it in the way you prefer

[azure oriole]

Andrew Hulshult's boss theme for Davoth is better than any song Mick Gordon has composed.

[slow sigil]

me when people talk in a public chat 😢

[young mango]

so many motifs 🤤

[azure oriole]

The DLC music is amazing. Often better than the base game's, in my opinion. Atlantica, Seraphim, and Immora are all great.

[young mango]

such a waste putting a 10 minute track on a fight that takes like 2 minutes to beat

[slow sigil]

i hope they make it so there isn't any non-fodder weapon that is just "gun shoot fast" but have all of them have thought behind them

[azure oriole]

Is not You, is in general that mostly i have an opposing opinion and 2 or more people start Bombarding me with their takes and mostly they make fun of It, so for my sake i Just avoid It now

[azure oriole]

I like this one mod for the Davoth's fight that made him a bit harder and take longer to beat.

[glossy warren]

disagree
it has the rhythm and stuff but its honestly underwhelming

[azure oriole]

I'm thinking of using this mod that rebalances Doom 2016 for my next replay.

[young mango]

I never made fun of you, I pointed out how in my opinion your statements were conflicting each other in a joking manner

[small helm]

https://youtu.be/L6y21SKTtJI?si=tC7MzfytZxcKPKNY
https://youtu.be/LEMHyuZAUD0?si=nuY38qx0TAsWCw6E

oh and trial of Maligog

[azure oriole]

Thanks for making It clear

[azure oriole]

https://www.nexusmods.com/doom/mods/49
Thoughts?

[young mango]

kinda off topic but speaking of rebalancing 2016, something I’ve never understood is people reminiscing about the unbalanced nature of siege mode, people talking about how two shots could kill a hell knight, in doom eternal, a dblade Can stagger a hellknight in ONE shot

[azure oriole]

Couldn't one Siege Mode hit kill a Hell Knight in 2016?

[glossy warren]

2

[slow sigil]

well, everything else is also rebalanced

balance is always talking about everything else aswel, you can't really look at balance in a vacuum unless you simplify it to make a point

[azure oriole]

Yeah this mod basically halves the amount of damage Siege Mode does.

[azure oriole]

Can i send you a video for i mean to move without air control?

[young mango]

sure

[azure oriole]

https://youtu.be/sByHBzSjAXA?si=mBYqAdP1FESEmbWx i think you know this guy, he Is One of the best players i think, and he Just single Dash, ballista boost and meathook with no air control, yet makes UN look Easy

[glossy warren]

I didnt know ambautukum played doom

[azure oriole]

Just ignore the noise in the background, he Is a mad man

[slow sigil]

why the fuck does it moan

[azure oriole]

I said he Is Crazy

[azure oriole]

That FOV is just about the most nauseating thing in the universe.

[azure oriole]

Nah Is very nice to play in 140FOV

Matter of tastes

We have a limit fov on console, shit

[azure oriole]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930146039745376259/1118569278644424764/caption.gif?ex=65675ed2&is=6554e9d2&hm=b8676db4d1c80dbdbf67675a0530e7dfe8e19a1d3ba0bb5e4a54020c4498281e&

i would love a 120 fov gameplay

[azure oriole]

Man, it looks like shit. Everything looks distorted and gross.

[young mango]

i would show you an example of some movement of my own without air control, but my internet is down, typing this on my phone cuz I got cellular data

[azure oriole]

Sure go on

[young mango]

just said I can’t

[rotund ether]

Correct. Most of the demons with exception of Mancubi, Pinkies (From front), Barons and (Ofc) bosses die from 1 shot of Siege Mode

[azure oriole]

I thought you were going to use your cellular data lol sorry

[slow sigil]

feels better in play, and it's mostly his weapon/equipment scaling which makes it all detached

[young mango]

I have an example of what I’m normally capable of but it’s from a scrapped speedrun, I Can do better

I Can send it if you’re still interested tho

[covert tinsel]

true

[azure oriole]

Eh. Even without that the environment looks weird. Can't admire anything.

[slow sigil]

luckily you don't admire much during combat!
and you can always just lower it whilst strolling

[strange gale]

yeah the movement here is incredibly strong

wish gameplay like this got 3 trillion views instead of zm or something

[young mango]

zero master is so good at classic doom that he still plays doom eternal like it’s classic doom

so it’s a slog to watch

[azure oriole]

It's hard for this video to get many views when it's got a dude cranking his hog and moaning in the background for literally all of it.

[strange gale]

look up dreamybull on youtube

[young mango]

I skipped to a random part of the video and it was there😭😭😭

[strange gale]

first result: 856k views
second: 756k
third: 479k
fourth: 361k
fifth: 1 million

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/c6cuClpoeMo?si=ZyuCNbm3_TO6OqGf

aforementioned scrapped run, good movement but a few whiffs and it being only 5 seconds away from being 2nd place made me decide it’s not good enough to be a public upload

[willow crag]

And the bosses you can cheese with the bfg weapon wheel glitch lol

[willow crag]

Fucking insane lol

[young mango]

better stuff is coming don’t worry

not by much, but hopefully sub 18 soon

[rotund ether]

You have literally 3 weapons in DOOM 2016 that one shot nearly everything

• Siege Mode
• Chainsaw
• BFG (Even without the glitch it's probably the most OP BFG in main games, if not the most OP weapon in all of the DOOM games)

[tacit aspen]

And there's a rune in 2016 which makes demons drop BFG ammo

[azure oriole]

New BFG's so laaaame.

[tacit aspen]

@azure oriole could it be that you think Doom Eternal is the worst Doom game?

Just a feeling

[rotund ether]

The only reason that I would consider 2016 harder on Nightmare/UN than Eternal is the beginning. 2016 is much more unforgiving than Eternal on this stage. The rest of it you can just spam SSG, Rem. Det., Siege and BFG.

[azure oriole]

Actually, it is my favorite.

I love Eternal very much. So much that I've played it the most of the series, and thus it is the entry I feel most comfortable picking flaws out of.

[tacit aspen]

Ah yeah, now that makes sense

[rotund ether]

Gameplay wise? Agreed (Especially in 2016)
Design and sound wise? Hell no

[azure oriole]

Yeah I mean gameplay-wise. Design and sound it's great.

Gameplay-wise I do not like the BFG just being a "fuck you" button. OG BFG still required strategy while being very strong.

[rotund ether]

Yeah. I generally try to avoid using BFG, but still: Sometimes I just can't say no to the giant green ball of death and destruction

[azure oriole]

Playing my mod so much made me forget how Easy tyrant are killable in default DE

At least with SSG

[azure oriole]

I feel like Is more of a speedrun tool It makes them for complex kind of

[wanton notch]

tyrants are easier to kill with the mobile turret, at least from my experience. it takes like 12 shots from the ssg to kill them while it takes like 8 seconds of mobile turret

[azure oriole]

It takes very few seconds to kill them with Blood punches and ssg

[strange gale]

19.2k damage worth of ammo to kill an enemy with 10k health 🌝

[azure oriole]

Mobile turret Is a good way for new players to kill heavies as well as lock on burst

[wanton notch]

Well i found in levels and master levels with a lot of tyrants in one encounter, the destroyer blade and mobile turret mows them down much easier.

im just saying from my experience, you guys obviously know more bout the game than I do.

[azure oriole]

just know that if you land all headshots it should be close to PB Rocket Launcher

[wanton notch]

Alright, i'll keep that in mind

[unborn blade]

What are the best guns for taking down very tanky enemies

[azure oriole]

rocket launcher and super shotgun

[wanton notch]

dont be afraid to use the unmakyr too

if you have spare bfg ammo

[unborn blade]

Don’t have the unmakyr

[young mango]

they might have meant 12 ammo idk, but even then you’d have to do every shot point blank for a stagger

[fast falcon]

Why not use the infinite ammo?

[young mango]

wat

it’s a cheat code, it can only be used on mission select, not in actual playthroughs

even then wouldn’t having unlimited ammo kinda trivialize resource management? I mean i guess it’d be cool as a sort of accessibility feature

[fast falcon]

Sorry i forgot

[young mango]

it’s cool

[fast falcon]

Btw how to unlocked the unmaykr

[young mango]

do every slayer gate and collect the empyrean keys

[fast falcon]

The purple ball challenge?

[young mango]

no

the gates, also you can’t have cheat codes enabled if you want the key for the gate to spawn

although I’ve always found that to be stupid, like does it really matter if the player has cheats or not? especially when you can just do gates that are intended for an incomplete slayer with a maxed out arsenal or just stock up on as many extra lives as possible beforehand

[fast falcon]

Ok now i remember the gate also thanks for the tips

[fast falcon]

It depends for some players tbh

[young mango]

the max amount of extra lives is 99, so let’s say you manage to stock up on that much, and walk into the slayer gate with max health and armor, you would need to take 20150 worth of damage to die ( implying you don’t manage to restock at all ) and ontop of that nothings stopping you from just turning it down to the lowest difficulty

[fast falcon]

Fair enough

[wanton notch]

Then have fun with the slayer gates. if you really want the unmakyr then play the gates on itytd

you can manually change the difficulty right before you do the gate from the settings menu.

[azure oriole]

im streaming master levels rn, anybody wanna watch?

[azure oriole]

i gave up ffs

hate being banged against the wall by fodder and then can't shoot them or anything cause i faulter

[lucid siren]

He just did the music for "Wrath: Aeon Of Ruin", did you play it yet?

[azure oriole]

I haven't but I've been keeping an eye on it. Is it done yet?

[snow sand]

You forgot about the best one, blood swamps

[snow sand]

It is !

[azure oriole]

Really? Oh shit I gotta try it then.

[lucid siren]

I think it dropped yesterday on Steam.

I'm waiting on the PlayStation version though.

[tacit aspen]

Fav music track of the DLCs is Maligog for me, it's just sad you don't really hear it in the game since those cubes are so loud.

[novel token]

you can lower soun effects volume and up 300% Music Volume in settings

[tacit aspen]

That's what I do. During the fight against the Dark Lord I tend to do the opposite, I haven't figured out yet how to kill him fast enough for the music to not get repetitive.

Tammie is an absolute star, I'm not that good! Lol

[spring panther]

i decided to play eternal and the dlc on UV for the first time

[azure oriole]

Nice! How did it go?

[spring panther]

so could a pb headshot

(gauss)

[spring panther]

i am still not done with the campaign

i have died about 6 times

currently on doom hunter base

[azure oriole]

Ahh, my mistake then

Six deaths isn't bad though, I hope you're having fun with the playthrough.

[foggy stratus]

getting by cultist base with fewer than 10 deaths on uv is good, means you've got somewhat of a grasp on how to not die

[spring panther]

considering i jumped from im too young to die to uv

[azure oriole]

I mean yeah that's pretty good for a jump

I didn't even jump difficulties when I was rising, I started on hurt me plenty and then did a uv run then nightmare

I assume jumping a difficulty is probably pretty difficult

[spring panther]

idk

i beat the doom hunters in about as much time as it took for me to beat the dark lord (roughly 3 to 4 minutes)

[azure oriole]

Well that is a difficult fight man, you can take your time and be careful when you need to

[spring panther]

and my xbox popped up a lets update screen DURING the 2nd priest execution cutscene

[spring panther]

i already beat it

[foggy stratus]

I jumped from itytd to nightmare

I had already gotten several itytd playthroughs under my belt so I was familiar with the mechanics, but nm absolutely forced me to change how I play, 75 deaths in total

(No extra lives)

[azure oriole]

Yes I realized that lol, I was simply saying it's ok to take your time. Good job beating it tho.

[azure oriole]

Why did you jump from itytd to nightmare?

[foggy stratus]

to improve

[spring panther]

im just ramping up difficulty slowly

[foggy stratus]

one playthrough later and im a lot better at the game now

[spring panther]

my goal is a UN run

[foggy stratus]

someday perhaps

I thought about turning it up gradually, but really, jumping into the deep end and dying repeatedly is a perfectly valid way to improve too

[spring panther]

i did a jump straight from ieytd to un and i got to exultia's last arena before dying

[azure oriole]

Ig that makes sense, I just took a very different approach and wanted to know your thinking process

[foggy stratus]

im planning to do several more playthroughs of it before doing other things on nm

[azure oriole]

That's what I did to improve, and I have now beaten un, so I think it's a good strat

[foggy stratus]

75 deaths is decent but I think I can shave those down a bit, once ive got a good hold on campaign nm, ill tackle ag1/2 nm, eventually maybe master levels, and finally once I feel ive really mastered the game, its time to start racking up UN attempts

[spring panther]

i wouldn't imagine trying to do this on 2016 instead of eternal

[foggy stratus]

thats the long term plan

[spring panther]

platforming's punishments are absolutely brutal there

[azure oriole]

I'm working on 2016 now lol, it's gonna be a lot 😅

[foggy stratus]

I wonder how many UN runs the argent tower bridge in 2016 has claimed

[spring panther]

hundreds of thousands

[foggy stratus]

I think a system like mario maker would be cool, where it shows where other people have died

[spring panther]

i died like 12 times on the argent tower bridge

[azure oriole]

Yeah that's a good idea I reckon, I pretty much did the same, besides the whole jumping difficulty thing. Good luck once you begin un!

[spring panther]

it shows your friend's UN run death markers on 2016

[azure oriole]

I think that would be annoying lol, just my death markers annoyed me in eternal and I only had fucking 2 to deal with

[spring panther]

i have about 12 death markers in the arena before you kill the first priest

[azure oriole]

I just felt like they blocked my vision and distracted me

[azure oriole]

On un?

[spring panther]

yes

[foggy stratus]

obviously it would be optional/wouldn't appear if you're offline

[spring panther]

90% of those deaths are from barrels

the barrels of fun are truly fun

[foggy stratus]

maybe also an option to not have your death locations uploaded, if you care about the possible embarassment or something

[azure oriole]

So I get the sense you tried to jump to un before playing nightmare? Lol

[spring panther]

correct

[azure oriole]

Are eternals markers optional? I can't remember an option for them

[azure oriole]

An anonymous option too could work

[foggy stratus]

yet to touch UN so I wouldnt know

[spring panther]

they're not

anyway im going back to playing eternal after my xbox updated

[azure oriole]

I didn't think they were

Well have fun with your playthrough dude, good luck!

[inland kite]

pyromaniac

vs cryomaniac

[azure oriole]

There's a building with "Cryo" on it in doom eternal.

Sometimes I wonder if the devs made the game specifically for me

(bc that obviously makes sense)

[wanton notch]

whats your guys's Doom levels??

[lucid siren]

Your name reminds me of that Flashdance short that's been going viral recently.

[azure oriole]

Oh God, I haven't seen it

How bad is it?

[wanton notch]

you didnt answer my q u e s t i o n 😠

[azure oriole]

Rip

[wanton notch]

:<

[azure oriole]

Dm me?

Tammies like "infinity"

[wanton notch]

im doom level 66 as of a few minuts ago ^^

[lucid siren]

I DM'd you the video link because this server doesn't let me post links for some reason.

[young mango]

Don’t know, I’ve reset my profile.bin multiple times so the number could be huge, but being generous, let’s say it takes me an hour to beat one level, my level would be about 5 prestige and about 214 levels

[wanton notch]

thats crazy- what do you play on? mines only 66 because im playing on switch

[young mango]

I’m on PC

[wanton notch]

that explains it

[azure oriole]

Yeah also cuz Tammie IS crazy

[wanton notch]

tammie is just him

[young mango]

been speedrunning a lot of TAG2 lately, when I’ve gotten my fill I’ll go back to playing master levels and whatnot

[wanton notch]

I've only played the master levels for the classic mode skins

im trying to un the base campain right now for the gold skin

its not going well T^T

[young mango]

my last speedrun was only 5 seconds away from being 2nd place, it was definitely disappointing

[wanton notch]

thats better than i could do :<

[young mango]

so far

[wanton notch]

id be a lot better on pc, but i dont have one at the moment because im p o o r

[azure oriole]

Yeah 3rd in the world is so disappointing 😒

Not trying to make fun of you btw Tammie ur just like so goated to me that I can't understand how you could possibly like criticize yourself in any way lmao

[wanton notch]

facts dude

[young mango]

I know the second place fellow personally, been talking to him about my plan to beat his time

[wanton notch]

:0 hes in his training arc

[azure oriole]

Rock Lee up in here

[wanton notch]

YOU CAN DO IT!!

[young mango]

I know I can and thats why it’s so tantalizing

[azure oriole]

"my machinations lie undetected for months, no matter how safe you think you are, your time will never be safe from me MWAHAHA" - Tammie to that other guy, probably.

[wanton notch]

will you be streaming your attempts?

[young mango]

I like to record the attempts manually instead because I don’t want to clip a stream just to snag video proof of my phone in from it

[wanton notch]

ah- okie- i'd like to see it when you eventually beat his time >:)

[young mango]

also because there’s so many whiffs it’d get boring as hell, my attempts counter is literally in the thousands

[wanton notch]

0-0

dude chill

[young mango]

huh?

well like most of the runs end at early hurdles like in world spear so like it wouldn’t be that entertaining

but yea if you want me to send you the next run I do sure

[young mango]

I’ve been real respectful to him about it tbh, telling him stuff like “it’s an honor to beat such a legend” which is true

[primal thorn]

How do I reset my mission with the console?

[azure oriole]

Yeah you seem like a very respectful person, I figured you probably would be respectful to him about it.

[azure oriole]

Idk what you're trying to do, but if you're like stuck and need to reload a save can't you go to the main menu, go to your save, and then hit mission select and the mission you're on?

It might reset your mission progress idk just trying to be helpful if you're stuck

[wanton notch]

do not, i repeat, DO NOT get de on switch, ultra nightmare is literally impossible 😠

[primal thorn]

The portal to go to hell is not showing in exultia

[azure oriole]

Is that so?

[azure oriole]

Have you picked up the celestial power core?

Idk it probably doesn't matter I'm pretty sure that if you can get on the platform then the portal should be there

[primal thorn]

YES

sorry caps

[glossy warren]

cant remember my switch hours but on ps and pc combined its like 80 maybe

[primal thorn]

All i really need to do is go too the fortress of doom because I need too unlock the two remaining cheats cards

[brave copper]

hey brothers you guys wanna farm battlemode achievements?

[rustic wasp]

Which Doom Eternal map has the best scenery or backgrounds?

[empty basin]

UAC Atlantica

[versed stream]

how do I unlock the gate in the combat section in super gore nest master level

[glossy warren]

atlantica

[versed stream]

with all the zombies after you get the crucible I need halp

[rustic wasp]

from the normal campaign I think nekravol or exultia

[versed stream]

it has the buff totem and they keep respawning and the gate won't go away

[rustic wasp]

I don't know about the DLC because I haven't played them.

[versed stream]

nvm the gate opened and never told me I'm dum

laugh at me for my idiocy

[fast falcon]

Thx for the tips

[sour silo]

Yo so I got a question. Even if I switch from a console to a computer and add the Bethesda acc I had there in the computer, will I still get all my items from the console to computer???

[formal cypress]

I switched from computer to console and my progress saved across devices, so I think so.

[sour silo]

How??

I had deluxe on my ps4 and now I have shit

[young mango]

like skins and stuff? that’s about all that bethesda transfers over

[sour silo]

So that’s a diff story

I can’t js lose all my skins from the deluxe I had on my ps4 like that tho

[young mango]

you won’t lose your skins

[sour silo]

I js want my skins on my PC bro😭😭😭

And I can’t find a way to transfer them

Like i don’t care if the campaign doesn’t save or some shit

[young mango]

just let it connect to the internet

[sour silo]

Wdym?

[young mango]

oh damn okay vega

[young mango]

just opening the game and letting it connect to the internet should work, if not, contact bethesda help and open a ticket with them

[sour silo]

It pretty much didint work

I connected to my Bethesda acc but I didint receive anything

[sour silo]

Well I opened a ticket and il hope for the best 😔

[tight flume]

i haven't talked here in god knows how long but i recently started playing around with key binds and i came up with a layout that i'm pretty satisfied with

1 - Combat Shotgun
2 - Plasma rifle
3 - Chaingun
Q - Rocket Launcher
E - Heavy Cannon
R - Melee/Blood Punch
F - Super Shotgun
C - Ballista
X - Equipment Swap
Z - Mod Swap
CTRL - Flame Belch
V - Crucible
Scroll wheel up - Chainsaw
Scroll wheel down - BFG/Unmaykr
MB1 - Equipment Launcher
Scroll wheel button (Click) - Swap weapon
Scroll wheel button (Hold) - Weapon wheel

can y'all rate my binds and lmk if you have any recommendations

i took the base from under the mayo because i like his binds and then i edited them to better suit my play style

[rose thistle]

do people still play battlemode or am i fucked as far as those achievements go lol

[sour silo]

Is it wrong that I pretty much enjoy the default setting of keybinds?

[empty basin]

Nope there's nothing wrong with that

It's just a matter of preference after all

Like yeah maybe some keybind setups are more optimal than others, but if you're not comfortable playing with it then what's the point

[inland kite]

imagine a fodder trying to kill the icon of sin 💀

[lyric lodge]

A fodder killed me and i killed the icon of sin so

Fodder > doomguy > icon of sin

Theyre called fodder cuz they make everything else fodder

[quaint root]

@willow crag the max amount of extra lives is 99

(:

[willow crag]

Ah yes

[supple glacier]

How am I supposed to destroy spirits in horde if I don’t have the plasma rifle

[azure oriole]

Yes people still play it, at least on my servers. I reckon you can probably find lobbies as long as you're not like an Australian switch player or something

[azure oriole]

Skill issue?

[supple glacier]

I just killed everything until it couldn’t buff anything

[azure oriole]

Did that kill the spirit tho?

[willow crag]

That should kill it

[wanton notch]

If you’re a switch player in general (like me) you won’t really find anyone playing battle mode

[lucid citrus]

is battlemode gonna be hard? im playing on pc n im planning to play it after the 2nd dlc

[azure oriole]

There's a bit of a skill gap yeah, but honestly getting over that gap and learning how to play the mode properly is one of my favorite things I've done in all of doom

Battlemode is hella fun when you learn how to actually play it imo

But I mean to answer ur question, yeah probably. At least when u start out it's going to be hard

[wary tree]

do people enjoy playing the demons in battlemode or is it just a chore you do to play doomguy?

[azure oriole]

Implying people play Battlemode

[wary tree]

the person above me seems to play it

[inner moth]

i feel like demons are more easy

[azure oriole]

I enjoy going for win streaks as slayer, and just seeing how high I can get the number. Playing demons is also fun for me though, feels very different and like a nice change of pace.

The only real problem I have with demons is that it's just more luck based, sometimes your summons will suck, youre never guaranteed a good teammate, etc.

[wary tree]

I just kinda assumed the demons are sitting in vc together

[brave tendon]

When I played as the slayer, in some games I killed demons very quickly thanks to the quickswap, and in some it was very difficult due to fast demons like a dread knight and a lot of small support demons.
Because of the panic, it was difficult to navigate the movement, especially without the flight mobility rune

[wary tree]

oh right battlemode doesn't have the broken air control rune

[azure oriole]

Not always, I feel that they don't more often than they do

[wary tree]

yeah there's not much reason to think that tbh
I just kinda ssumed

[azure oriole]

If you want to pvp there are new custom modes for that

[lyric lodge]

Chat i think this game is telling me i needa do mental exercises. Any particular tips on maintaining my sanity whilst playing doom eternal?

Perhaps meditating would help but not sure if im into that

[muted harness]

AAAA