doom-eternal

[austere bronze]

i forgot a few, chainsaw X, crucible/hammer V, flame belch R, weapon wheel Y, grenade launcher LCTRL, switch grenade G and dash LSHIFT

[unborn berry]

those are default I think, instead of chainsaw which is C, pretty close

[austere bronze]

yes i only changed weapon wheel and chainsaw

[unborn berry]

i've never used weapon wheel tbqh, used to playing the original dooms too much to need it

[austere bronze]

thats really nice

took me like 25 hours before i stopped using it

[unborn berry]

it's not like it's bad, it's more or less just as fast as keybinds, but takes getting used to

i've seen some pro-ish console players use it

[austere bronze]

it is kind of bad, its slower than quick swapping with keys and it can ruin the flow of the battle

[unborn berry]

yeah the slowdown is a big downside

[austere bronze]

console players dont have an option but to use it

[unborn berry]

ruins the aesthetic for me as well, the DOOM power fantasy doesn't really work well for me if I'm not playing skillfully

[austere bronze]

we think the same

[unborn berry]

part of why I want to play at nightmare difficulty is because I don't think I've gotten the full DOOM experience unless I'm mowing down demons like they're grass

[austere bronze]

Hugo Martin (game director) said himself that nightmare diffifulty is the way the games supposed to be played

[unborn berry]

based

[austere bronze]

it takes some time to get used to, but when you are its awesome!

[unborn berry]

modern doom got such a good studio to make it, so glad it didn't get the modern hollywood treatment

[austere bronze]

oh yeah

it seams like ID really cares about their games

hollywood has only been going downhill the past few years

but not DOOM!

[unborn berry]

hell yeah

lmfao get it, hell... cause it's doom (pls clap)

[austere bronze]

claps

love how many puns there is with DOOM

[sturdy pendant]

No, cause marathons are possible. Battlemode achievements arent possible

[slow sigil]

except they literally are?

[sturdy pendant]

Battlemode is dead as fuck, so youre basically just super lucky if you somehow manage to get all of them in 2024

All the other achievements can be done with skill no matter what but multiplayer achievements reky in having a steady playerbase which battlemode does not have

[slow sigil]

you forget playing with friends but not grinding together for achievments, but just simply playing normally and you yourself focusing on the achievments

then you're actually achieving them

[unborn berry]

maybe this server can take initiative and make a channel/thread/forum for people wanting to get into friend groups just for grinding achievements

[slow sigil]

i think a link to an achievment unlocker would be better

less effort, faster, less people required, same result

[unborn berry]

yes but

that's cheating!!!!

you HAVE to do it the moronic and tedious way the devs intended you to do it

[slow sigil]

the devs intented for you to have fun with the game, not to mindlessly grind in a dead gamemode you clearly don't enjoy

[unborn berry]

tbh half the appeal of a cool skin is the effort you know it took to get it

that's why I'm grinding to get the skullface skin legit, it won't feel good otherwise

[slow sigil]

you'll be disapointed by the gloves of that skin

[glossy warren]

I seriously question the cosmetic decisions sometimes

for completing tn master level (considered the greatest out of all of them) you get.... a teal recolour of the heavy cannon

I get their main focus isnt customization but at least make it something cooler than just a colour slided weapon

[slow sigil]

cause the point of doing the MLs isn't the skins at all

[unborn berry]

what's wrong with them?

[glossy warren]

Im aware, but still it just feels lacking

[slow sigil]

they're just brown, nothing special to them

[unborn berry]

i like brown

[austere bronze]

what do you want?

[unborn berry]

brown gloves look tactical

good mix of realism and badassery

[slow sigil]

"i like skullface cause it looks tactical"

[unborn berry]

im jus quirky like dat

for example hellforged or fallen angel look too over the top to me, i like a good balance

[glossy warren]

something like a skin pack, like the rocket launcher vibe applied to all the weapons

[slow sigil]

yes but the skin with a silver skull as it's face, and bright right lines all over.... considered tactical?

[unborn berry]

yeah cause the bright lines are like... argent energy or something... whatever!!!

[slow sigil]

honestly that'll be too much put behind the last ML reward

maybe distrubuted all over but yeah

[unborn berry]

there are some really kickass skin mods on the nexus

[slow sigil]

no they are literally bright lines like the UN logo

[glossy warren]

true

[glossy warren]

I can see why but after time it feels boring to use what fortnite has with wraps

[unborn berry]

badass demon slayer AND he's diplomatically conscious?? incredible

[slow sigil]

lmfao

[glossy warren]

the ssg with the look of the rocket launcher would go so hard

[austere bronze]

would be cool if you unlocked a special power up after completing all MLs on UN that can only be used in a SUPER HARD master level

[unborn berry]

sending a strongly worded letter to the forces of hell, but instead of a letter it's a gun and instead of words it has bullets

[austere bronze]

and ther super hard ML can only be unlocked after completing all MLs on UN

[glossy warren]

Id rather let cheat codes be used in master levels once you complete a certain part of it

[unborn berry]

tbh there's already a lot you can do with the already existing cheats, like playing with overdrive constantly on isn't exactly super easy

[slow sigil]

so your reward for being skillful is a powerup that ignores the skill? don't think anyone that does UN MLs is interested in that

[glossy warren]

like using overdrive in itytd extra life mode doesnt let you use it in un mode obviously

messing around with the added challenge would be fire though

[austere bronze]

but you would need it for the super hard ML and it would be something cool ofc that can maybe be toggled on and off

[unborn berry]

i feel like the base game + dlc didn't make sufficient use of powerups, idk i only remember getting berserk once or twice and it's the coolest one by far. Maybe they could've made use of it upon meeting some condition like killing empowered demons in an arena

[slow sigil]

soooo ID would also have to make an entire other ML meant to be completed with just that powerup???
so now you're removing the skill expression they acquired aswell lmfao

[unborn berry]

imagine killing a juiced up tyrant and he drops berserk with like 20 demons left in the arena, that'd be badass

[glossy warren]

you used both quad and beserk in sgn master level

in that small room with blue gore key

[unborn berry]

haven't played any master levels yet

[austere bronze]

what no, the power up would be for 95% of players that can even unlock this level and the remaining 5% have a REAL challenge

[glossy warren]

Im confused

[unborn berry]

the powerup would have to be interesting though, not like a "kill all" button like infinite bfg or berserk

[austere bronze]

ofc

something like the support runes in the DLCs but a bit different

[unborn berry]

Anything you have in mind? I don't think I'm experienced enough in the gameplay loop yet to know what'd be interesting

[austere bronze]

honestly not me either

[unborn berry]

Maybe a non-instakill crucible/hammer would be cool, like something allowing you to fight like a marauder or Davoth

Shockwaves and blocking and stuff

Would be outside the normal game bc no demon is designed around melee combat but it'd be cool

[austere bronze]

maybe and then you could also heal from that like in ULTRAKILL

but i have no idea

[unborn berry]

Honestly just a parry mechanic would add huge complexity

I hope they release a modding kit for the game so that modders can go nuts and write custom scripts for that stuff

[austere bronze]

that would be really cool!

[austere bronze]

definitely

so basically just copy/paste something from ULTRAKILL and thats your power up🤣

[unborn berry]

Lmfao

[austere bronze]

would be cool tho

[unborn berry]

Underthemayo got a lot of flak for complaining ultrakill isn't enough like Doom for his liking

Solution: port ultrakill to DOOM. Genius

[austere bronze]

oh yeah i remember

DOOM and ULTRAKILL are very similar games but still very different

[random vault]

underthemayo got flak because he fundimentally doesnt know what ultrakill is and just wants it to be doom eternal

[slow sigil]

"I can complete the level by just playing super boringly, that shouldn't be the case!!"
"Hey what's your score? That's kinda the main point of the ga-"
"ULTRAKILL PLAYERS CAN'T TAKE CRITICISM AND HERE I MAKE A VIDEO WHERE THEY HOLD ME HOSTAGE AAAAAA"

[glossy warren]

not really similar

[slow sigil]

Compared to many other FPS, similar enough

[glossy warren]

they're fps and fast paced and thats it
ultrakill is more tech heavy and has you play fun to win
doom is more resource management and has you win to play fun

[glossy warren]

I guess

[slow sigil]

I'd def say eternal is tech heavy too
You can still ignore it but eh with UK you kinda can too with the first few levels

Atleast they fixed the biggest issues i had with UK when i first played but still waiting for "full" release

[glossy warren]

its not a core part though unless you're on the 'competitive' side

apart from slob and punchswapping no other techs are really used

[random vault]

i think the first ultrakill review is the worst youtube video ive ever seen, like, how did he take a 10-20 second gag and make it a 10 minute long video

also all of his points can apply to doom so hes just a massive hypocrite
like, whats stopping me from just using the shotgun same way he only used pistol

[glossy warren]

the only thing I know about mayo's uk video is that he slandered there being infinite ammo

like, ok

its made that way so you can do all of the wack bullshit you're able to do

[slow sigil]

Eternal's ammo system isn't even that great

[random vault]

he wants the game to add ammo which doesnt make since with how ultrakill is designed

[austere bronze]

the thing that stops you is ammo, but yeah i dont like his review of UK either

[glossy warren]

exactly

[slow sigil]

Chainsaw stops becoming interesting fast

[austere bronze]

i saw someone play ultrakill with ammo, wayyy less fun

[glossy warren]

sure there's things like the 4 coins, and nailgun has 100 nails, sawblade magnet has 10(?) sawblade limit before it breaks

[random vault]

the main takeaway from mayos video is literally just "i played the game incorrectly on purpose and didnt have fun" which is crazy because ultrakill is basically a sandbox game so how did he even manage to play incorrectly

[austere bronze]

hahah yeah, its like only building a wooden house and using wooden tools in minecraft and complaining that there isnt enough things to do

[slow sigil]

"Guys why isn't the game fun if i ignore it's primary completion mechanic???"

Like i'm all for not letting unfun strats be good in games, and the game "nudging" you towards playing well
But uk literally has the scoring system for that huh????

[copper plaza]

mood terental

[torpid carbon]

I didn’t play the game incorrectly (as far as i can tell) and i still didn’t have fun :p

[balmy leaf]

I agree i also think the animation is too long

[sturdy pendant]

I agree

[sturdy pendant]

Thats cause you suck at ultrakill and quit the game when you beat hideous mass. completely different

If you stuck with it until the end and got better at it you probably wouldve had a better experience like with de

[strange gale]

that's a lot of assumptions to make based on a single comment with little to no context

[torpid carbon]

He watched me play it

Like i mentioned before, snakepool and i are on another server together

Anyway i gtg ttyl

[sturdy pendant]

I dont fully agree with mayo but i see where he’s coming from. It seems like he wnts the game to more heavily encourage you to play stylishly instead of even giving you the opportunity to play in a ‘boring’ way. I think ammo is a very flawed way to implement that, though. I’d peobably make the style meter give more interesting and important rewards for being stylish, punish the player more for playing like Mayo did, and add more rewards for S and P ranks

[copper plaza]

mood rentalet

[slow sigil]

The problem is is that mayo simlly ignores the style meter
In his eyes the thing doesn't even exist

[glossy warren]

yea style meter doesnt do much apart from have a multiplier right?

even if you play 'stale' getting S for style isnt that hard

[sturdy pendant]

In a way it doesn't exist. The rewards it gives are negligible at best. It's basically just a fancy letter telling you how cool you are

[slow sigil]

Yeah and the goal of the game is to get a high ranking

The goals are different then with a game where you're just after reaching the end

With this mindset, quite a sizeable amount of games immidiatly become utter shit simply because they are designed differently

[sturdy pendant]

In doom eternal, for example, the goal of the game is beating levels n shit. In return for beating levels and shit, you get new weapons and equipemnt and stuff. You don't get cool stuff from getting good ranks, you just get a big ass letter on your screen.

I think if the only way to get new weapons and upgrades was by getting s or p ranks then that'd fix the issue.

[slow sigil]

It's like saying horde mode is shit cause it's so easy to complete if you go out of your way to ignore the score

[sturdy pendant]

Ok to be honest i think horde mode is pretty bad but thats a whole nother thing. And i'm not saying ultrakill is shit or anything, i'm just saying i understand where mayo is coming from and i think it is a flaw in the game

[slow sigil]

Being forced to p-rank just to play the full game is actual garbage game design

[slow sigil]

I mean it's bad, but it's not bad because it's easy to complete

Also, is tag1 and 2 shit? Cause you're not playing the levels to maximize your loadout

[sturdy pendant]

Yeah but tag1 and 2 are optional dlc. And if you're playing on nightmare, the game is difficult enough to encourage stylish play unless you're a sadist who is good enough to only go combat shotgun but that's not as easy as pistol only in ultrakill

[slow sigil]

Oh and level select is also bad!!! So are the MLs too

[slow sigil]

Tag1 and tag2 are just as optional as the main game

[torpid carbon]

Oh god what is going on now

[sturdy pendant]

Heres my point here. Ultrakill doesn't do enough to encourage stylish play/discourage boring play. To fix this, my ideas are to give the style meter and level ranks more tangible rewards than just big ass fancy letters on your screen. Either that, or change the enemy ai or difficulty to force the player into more interesting playstyles.

Using doom eternal as an example, the game encourages interesting playstyles with a low ammo count, fast and dangerous demons (on nightmare, which hugo martin said was the most balanced difficulty), and rewarding the player for completing levels by getting new cool shit like guns.

The goal in utlrakill is different though. In doom the goal is to complete levels where you are rewarded with new equipment. Ultrakills goal is to get better ranks, so you should get more of a reward than 3 really hard boss fights. In tag1 and tag2 there may not be new equipment or guns but it still keeps hte difficulty aspect to encourage stylish play

[slow sigil]

I'm sorry but genuinly, if you buy UK cause it seems fun, and then go OUT OF YOUR WAY TO IGNORE THE CORE GAME MECHANICS, then yeah you kinda deserve a bad time

It's not at all as if it doesn't cover up a quarter of your screen

[fossil elm]

I thinl the graphics look cartoonish

I think 2016 graphics are better

[sturdy pendant]

I don't go out of my way to ignore the core game mechanics, and I do think mayo was exaggerating the issue a little bit. i just think he has a point. I still do combos, tech, coin railgun tricks, all that shit. But I'd be doing it more and feel more engaged if i was being forced to.

The style meter may cover 1/4 of your screen, but it's essentially useless. It servres no purpose other than telling you how well you're doing. Its like if in doom you have a giant popup that calls you a badass every few seconds for doing cool shit but it doesnt actually reward you for being badass.

[torpid carbon]

Well tbf i don’t do badass things in doom for the reward. I do it because it’s often efficient and fun

[slow sigil]

i don't go out of my way to ignore the core game mechanic
Good! Then it doesn't need rewards either as you're already doing what's intented: engaging with the main gameplay loop (the score screen)

[sturdy pendant]

I'd be engaging with it more, thoug

[sturdy pendant]

I think both have good elements and both have shitty elements. Eternal has really good art design with the huge scope and scale of the levels, i love the metal album aesthetic for Nekrovol, and hell on earth with titans and giant tentacles is badass. But it also goes overboard with spinning fire poles and cartoony effects in my opinion, 2016 excels in immersion with realistic weapon pickups, cutscenes

[sturdy pendant]

Yeah, but the reward is not getting your ass kicked. If you dont play doom in that way, youll get absolutely stomped

[fossil elm]

Fr

[torpid carbon]

True

[slow sigil]

Maybe have it be more strict so you need good tech to get high ranks, that's what put me out of the game at first: i could just shotgun punchswap for free P-ranks everywhere and it was boring. But that's not at all an issue with it not being "rewarding" enough as the P rank is literally what you strive towards

[slow sigil]

Then have the meter be a bit more strict ig. If you don't want to play the game for.... well, for playing the game. Then maybe you're just not in the mood to play the game

[sturdy pendant]

See, the issue is that youre even able to ignore the core mechanic and keep playing. In doom eternal if you ignore the main mechanics then you'll absolutely get your shit kicked. In ultrakill you can for the most part ignore the style meter and p ranks. It should be ESSENTIAL for progression

It should be more than just a big letter and a meter that doesnt actually give you rewards

Prime sanctums are a step in the right direction, getting new content for p ranks, but we need more than that imo

[fossil elm]

Like switching weapons?

[sturdy pendant]

Yeah, and good positioning, weakpoint usage, glory kills, etc

[torpid carbon]

Which the game doesn’t do a super great job of teaching exactly how it all works and how to do it, but that’s a separate conversation

[fossil elm]

What's the good positioning?

[sturdy pendant]

Honestly hard disagree

[slow sigil]

Except that the game fundamentally isn't about completing the levels. You're viewing this from an entirely wrong direction and well yeah ofc you'll think the game is bad, that's what happened to lot of eternal haters too. They expected the game to be something else and then was dissapointed when the game wasn't that and refused to correct their view and just said the game sucked

[torpid carbon]

For example, making sure you’re in a good spot to chaingun a big demon

[sturdy pendant]

Getting in good ranges for attacks, avoiding other attacks, baiting the enemy ai into doing certain things, getting in glory kill range, etc

[fossil elm]

What do yall think is the best gun to use in the game?

[civic goblet]

The pistol :p

[torpid carbon]

If the game isn’t for certain people, those people aren’t gonna like the game. That’s not up to you to decide

[sturdy pendant]

ssg. Rocket launcher is a second

[civic goblet]

Turn on pistol with console

[torpid carbon]

In Eternal? All of them.

[slow sigil]

Probs PB, otherwise RL
SSG close third

[civic goblet]

Every weapon has a purpose

[slow sigil]

"All guns are equal, some guns are just more equal then others"

[slow sigil]

Micromissiles is i think the only gun with not a single niche in the game. Like, at all

[torpid carbon]

Omg will you like actually shut the fuck up?

[sturdy pendant]

I fucking love doom eternal's guns. Ignoring some guns base fires (combat shotgun, heavy cannon, plasma rifle)

[slow sigil]

I'm sorry that eternal is not a perfectly balanced game

[sturdy pendant]

She's right though, not all guns are completely perfect and equal to each other

[torpid carbon]

No one said anything about perfectly balanced. I’m stating that every gun has its purpose

[fossil elm]

I've always like the gun you start with like the first gun but I don't really like the way it operates in eternal idk why. I just always like the 2016 shotgun better the it sounds and looks.

[magic garden]

doom hard

[sturdy pendant]

And she's saying some guns are better than others. Like the super shotty is better than the combat shotty

[slow sigil]

And thus, "some are more equal then others"

[sturdy pendant]

Yeah i think the first shotgun needs a rework in the next game.

[magic garden]

are you good in doom

[slow sigil]

Like you genuinly can't look me in the face and tell me that micro missiles is at all at the same level of lock on lmfao, or chaingun shield

[torpid carbon]

You’re not gonna use an ssg to take out a group of imps or zombies that are close to each other. You’d fire a sticky bomb to take them all out in one shot

Sticky bombs stay useful throughout the whole game

[sturdy pendant]

Switching to rocket launcher, using a normal nade, or blood punch outclasses that though

[slow sigil]

Honestly the base fire is ok for staggering fodder and stuff, but full auto needs to go

[torpid carbon]

Rn i was specifically comparing the csg to the ssg, like you were

[sturdy pendant]

I use plasma gun to stagger fodder or shoot them twice with the heavy cannon

[sturdy pendant]

I would turn full auto into the default fire, remove the movement slowdown, and add another weapon mod

[slow sigil]

I mean for eternal, because you basically always have your entire kit, you have to compare every gun to every other one

[torpid carbon]

That’s impossible to do honestly without nuance. Every gun is useful for a different purpose. The ssg is good against singular targets, but for groups of fodder, it’s inefficient. Plus you have to consider combos and stuff

Plus you don’t always have your entire kit. You unlock your last weapon in taras nabad

And it takes time to upgrade your mods

[sturdy pendant]

I'd say once cultist base comes around the combat shotgun is obsolete, having the ssg and rocket

[slow sigil]

Yeah and thus almost all guns have something to do where other's are a bit worse
Some are so terribly niche you can bssically ignore them unless their specific circumstance comes up, like full auto, arbalest, and a few are actually even without niche

[torpid carbon]

The rocket can be tricky because it can damage you. Using SBs can still be useful

[slow sigil]

Crucible interacts so little and you have so few charges you can basically ignore it's existance on influence on your kit

[sturdy pendant]

Just dash, jump, or meathook away when you use rocket

[sturdy pendant]

Yeah I never use crucible, bfg, or unmakyr i'm probably gonna unbind them from my keyboard

[slow sigil]

At absolutely best it's just the archvile remover, but no weapon really has it's few niches there

[torpid carbon]

See i’m not good enough at the game to pull that off consistently, so sticky bombs make up for that

[sturdy pendant]

Just get good enough to do it by practicing. Simply press shift, jump, or switch guns at the same time as left click

[slow sigil]

If you know what to get it's not that bad honestly. The PB mods for example do nothing so you can completely ignore it, FA and MM are bad, stickied are ok to upgrade, and by CB you can already master rocket and ssg

[torpid carbon]

You need to remember that i have the capacity for skill of a stereotypical game journalist.

[sturdy pendant]

As someone who actually watches your games and critically pays attention and analyzes your gameplay i'd say otherwise

Give yourself some credit for once, goddamn

[torpid carbon]

Yeah, it looks like that’s not the case, because the game has tools i can use to make up for my lack of skill, such as the sticky bombs

[sturdy pendant]

Thats called adapting. That's a skill in and of itself

[torpid carbon]

Watch me play ultra violence tonight and see what you think then

[sturdy pendant]

I've said this stuff tons of times and its like you just forget it or don't care afterwards.

[torpid carbon]

It’s the latter. Because i can tell what’s going on when i’m playing the game

[slow sigil]

Maybe try to focus on just 1 thing to improve for half a session or something

[sturdy pendant]

Believing you're unable to improve hinders your ability to improve. So stop believing

[sturdy pendant]

Good advice.

[torpid carbon]

Word of advice: don’t copy your “advice” from toxic Fire Emblem communities.

[sturdy pendant]

I don't even fucking play fire emblem, what? That's established knowledge

[torpid carbon]

This is a thing that a lot of people in fire emblem servers say

[sturdy pendant]

Well i don't play fire emblem or use fire emblem discord servers. Thats established advice from people who study and understand how people and skill works

[slow sigil]

"Stop thinking you can improve otherwise you won't"? Huh?

[sturdy pendant]

I said stop thinking you can't improve. To imrpove you gotta believe in yourself and have a little faith

[torpid carbon]

I prefer to be realistic

[slow sigil]

As long as you can make new memories and have control of your muscles you can improve

[sturdy pendant]

It's up to you to determine what is 'realistic'. Realism is understanding that you're not just built different from everyone else. You have capacity for improvement, just like everyone else. Sure, some people might get at things more or less naturally, but its not possible to just be UNABLE TO IMPROVE.

You went from barely being able to beat the game on hmp to beating the whole game on hmp without dying once. I'm not gonna sit around and act like you're the greatest player ever cause you're not, youre not that great, but you have noticeably improved at the game.

Comparison is the thief of joy. Just cause you havent beat the game on uv or nightmare yet, doesn't mean you havent improved at all

[azure forum]

It's a game son. The so called "skill" is at the end just practice

[torpid carbon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’m just not sure why you’re so bent on convincing me that i am able to improve at all these things

[sturdy pendant]

Because by being so delusional about yourself and thinking this stupid shit you're making your experience worse.

You havent been able to come up with any argumentsother than 'i suck' and 'i'm realistic'. That says enough.

[azure forum]

He just sounds like he doesn't want to try. Let him be. Not everybody is willing to put the time to improve at a game.

[sturdy pendant]

I'm friends with him and i'm not gonna go into details but he frequently has issues with this kindof stuff, not just with games but in real life too.

[spring panther]

yeah charged burst was better ngl

[strange gale]

...except mayo% also works in this game. you have to apply your critique of ultrakill to doom eternal to see if it holds water, otherwise that comparison doesn't work https://youtu.be/u2HBrSg8Sqc?si=p0rVQIaOBkzywPLS @sturdy pendant

[young mango]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-me-adrian-boseman-the-good-fight-look-its-me-i-cant-relate-gif-21896793

[strange gale]

you can get by without glory killing and chainsawing because of how many pickups the game throws at you, and because of how busted the movement in this game is as soon as level 2

you can absolutely play this game in a way that's boring as shit and do just fine, that's not exclusive to ultrakill.

[empty basin]

I don't think it's really an "issue" as they say, it's just a matter of the games having a different approach on encouraging the player for the intended playstyle

[slow sigil]

"yes but see in eternal i have to choose to ignore it! whilst in ultrakill i'm already ignoring it, therefore not having to choose it 😎 "

[strange gale]

i don't find it to be an issue either, uk simply pursues different game design goals but mayo drones have a hard time accepting that

[empty basin]

For most players, Eternal punishes you for not doing the bare minimum by well... killing you, while Ultrakill rewards you for doing cool stuffs

[random vault]

the game thats basically a sandbox lets you ignore a part of it?? no way

ultrakill is a hack n slash sandbox fps, if you wanna play the game as unfun or as sweaty or as casual as you want, you can

[young mango]

the only reason mayo% in doom eternal at least requires you to be better than the mayo equivalent of ultrakill is because of ammo, im sure if the heavy cannon worked on ultrakill physics the micromissiles would work on a cooldown system and pb punchswap a would pretty much be your main source of ammo because it’s like the equivalent of shotgun swapping

[random vault]

mayo played the game the unfun way where he completely ignores all mechanics and features just to spam a pistol then blamed the game for his lack of fun

[empty basin]

Also lol if realism is what gave us the eternal-piss filter on 2016 then I'd rather not have it

[random vault]

its like playing minecraft and being mad you cant collect every block using your fist

if he took the time to try, idk, crafting a pickaxe he mightve realized the game has fun stuff in it

[young mango]

I saw a clip of one of his streams where chat told him to use other weapons so he used the shotgun for long distance and proceeded to whine to chat about how this proves switching weapons is bad

[slow sigil]

i mean playing in an unfun way should definitely be discouraged
...which UK literally does with its rank system which is a big part of the core gameplay loop

[random vault]

and he eventually did in his 2nd video, but then his complaints are basically that hunger exists and gold should be the best tools

[slow sigil]

if UK didn't have the rank system i would 100% agree, it's kinda why i fell of prodeus

[empty basin]

I'm pretty sure the reason why Eternal went with more cartoony artstyle is because as the game becomes more chaotic, it's hard to keep stuffs grounded while still being noticeable

[random vault]

it is discourged, theres no style, healing is slower, enemies take longer to fight

[slow sigil]

i felt like in prodeus the best way to play was to be a total coward hiding behind corners and peekfiring.
that's boring af and i only like that in r6s

[slow sigil]

but you can still win, which is the problem if there where to be no rank system

[random vault]

and stuff like v2 is basically a progession roadblock unless you actually try and learn the game

[slow sigil]

playing in a total unfun way should be more then just discouraged, i worded it badly

it should just be blocked, not be an option unless you try your damn hardest to play badly

[random vault]

well yeah i can beat the ender dragon with my fists but doesnt mean i was supposed to

[young mango]

mayo when the game doesn’t force him to use full auto and actually passively tries to effect his play style

[random vault]

yeah, he like, is purposfully using the tools the unintened way then blames the tools

[slow sigil]

that only makes it slower
imagine if you could win fighting the ender dragon by just crouching and hitting your feet and not at all engaging with anything. THAT would be bad and should be met with a definitive failure state, and not a "well ig it just takes 15 years longer"

[young mango]

mayo is a great motivation to get good at doom because even being debatably on his skill level is embarrassing

[slow sigil]

unfun playstyles should straight up be punished by cutting away your access to continuing, not making it more tedious as that doesn't fix any underlying issue

which UK does with it's point system: play in a boring way? you don't actually win
atleast now it does iirc, when i played it i could just shotgun punch spam which was boring as hell

[young mango]

“so the best way to use full auto is as a finisher to get your shotgun ammo back”
“why are you missing shotgun ammo specifically?”
“from using full auto”

[slow sigil]

"no bro you use it as a finisher"
"oh so do you chainsaw any less?"
"no i still chainsaw just as often because my other weapons still run out of ammo"

[random vault]

well like i said, i see ultrakill as basically a hack n slash sandbox, sandbox games let you do that kinda stuff

anyways gunna play ror2 have fun

[young mango]

mayo intentionally gives players bad advice, like there’s only so many times you can say “hey man it’s just a play style” before you realize he’s giving objectively bad advice to new players making a whole new category of new players who suck more than he does

[strange gale]

160ms firing interval... 320 damage per shot... 2000 dps... that's dogshit compared to just basic pb ssg swaps lol

[young mango]

2000DPS vs 1600 damage per one shot, yea… “how to use full auto on a high level” you just don’t..

it also eats up your ammo

“oh man I just dumped all my full auto on that tyrant you won’t believe how much damage it did!”
“oh sweet let me check”
“yea man 7680 it’s the new meta bro”

[empty basin]

it also gets you killed because of tunnel vision✌️

The only good place to recommend it is on Blitz Rounds on Horde Mode and that's it

[strange gale]

less than half of the potential damage out can get out of ssg 🌝

[slow sigil]

i love how Id decided to "buff" FA by just making it not feel like shit to use
it's still shit, and they didn't change any gameplay stats that matter, but lol

[empty basin]

I suppose it's because it's already so late back then (it was on Update 6.66 I think) that they are afraid on making significant balancing for the game any further

[young mango]

ssg 250% more potential damage full to empty

[empty basin]

So they settled with just making the weapon more usable

which I think is alright

[young mango]

every time I hear the strat of arbalest into full auto marauder one cycle I know who’s fault it is they play like that

[azure forum]

But full auto returns shells 🤣

Too good to be true!

[strange gale]

2021 🌝

[young mango]

I did a combo doing pb rocket into foot ballista and it’s the most 2021 thing I’ve ever done

[robust warren]

wow the super gore nest master level goes hard

it took quite a lot of tries to get through it

it uh didn't tag the list with the difficulty symbol this is demoralizing :(

[unborn berry]

what do you mean?

[robust warren]

when i finished cultist base, it put al ittle symbol with the highest difficulty level I finished. when i finished super gore next, no symbol.

[unborn berry]

odd

[robust warren]

in the list of master levels

[sturdy pendant]

Playing sgn master level classic mode is the most fun i've had in de in a long time. I fucking love classic mode, i wish i could play the whole game in classic mode as a master-campaign

[robust warren]

you can't play the campaign in classic mode?

[sturdy pendant]

I don't think so

[robust warren]

that's a shame

[vital marlin]

Is there a way to still get the ember skin or was it only available during the event

[viscid elk]

least fav demon? mines is arachnotron, hell knight, and carcass

[slow sigil]

marauder

[brittle furnace]

And the Archvile

[slow sigil]

Nah archviles are ok

[balmy leaf]

archvile for sure

[pearl perch]

Marauders easily

[charred portal]

Tyrant

[unborn berry]

here is a list of my least fave demons:

1. whiplash
2. whiplash
3. whiplash
4. whiplash
5. cybermancubus

i like archvile bc they instantly become top priority in any arena forcing you to go on a goose chase

also i love it when i miss the grenade that was supposed to go into the cacodemon's mouth and i waste another 3 grenades on it, also missing all of them, meanwhile my health drops to 0 because i have been doing nothing else other than shooting this caco

[balmy leaf]

Marauders are so cool tho T_T

[young mango]

i dont wanna be that guy but that’s not the games fault, they made the hitbox for the cacos mouth bigger than it actually is specifically to aid this

[sturdy pendant]

marauders. not cause theyre too hard or anything, i just dont like the shield thing

whats your favorite demons? mines are doomhunters, tyrants, archviles and spirits

[young mango]

also the archvile is less of a threat than people make it out to be, outside of the marauder, it has the least health of any superheavy, not only that but it’s literally incapable of moving outside of teleporting, so just hit it with a frag and some burst weapons and you’re fine, i guess finding it would be a problem but outside of places with randomized spawns just having seen it once trivializes the archvile

[spring panther]

marauders are very easy to kill https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811785493301035049/1199995026160242708/8036498e-07c2-45c7-b41d-f25a5456a403.mp4?ex=65c49175&is=65b21c75&hm=dbcc68acd8379e25f8760c301f2dab9a5cf24dbc82897c3c2532a40b7ee15243&

i've just been repeating dark lord to see how fast im able to get through it

got a sub 4 min on dark lord earlier

[random vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS8nsR9xfdU

[halcyon basin]

marauders are a betrayal of the game design. I'm supposed to stand still and bait them into attacking me and use one specific weapon to damage them while they assault me nonstop

completely ridiculous

[random vault]

your supposed to dodge

[sturdy pendant]

you're not supposed to use one specific weapon, and youre not supposed to stand still

[random vault]

and you can use more then 1 weapon

[halcyon basin]

you are to make them melee you

[random vault]

no?

your supposed to dodge and wait for a chance to attack

[sturdy pendant]

you have to bait THEM into getting into melee range with positioning, you dont have to stand still to do so

stay at a consistent goldilocks zone or manipulate their ai into going into that zone themselves

[halcyon basin]

0/10 trash game

[random vault]

if you stand still and get killed thats your fault for not moving, not the games

maybe after you die for the 20th time you should try a different strategy

[sturdy pendant]

i agree, but once he said 0/10 trash game i realized hes probably just trolling

[halcyon basin]

like uninstalling

[random vault]

have fun

[halcyon basin]

i figured it out 10/10 best game ever

[lament quiver]

yes

[young mango]

that video is old but swag for sending video of me https://youtu.be/jZMNWY6fUFI?si=2ECuvkEKP6q26krF

[random vault]

your peak

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/9iqQ4rCFvdg?si=FYQVC3RYmTCshQCo

[halcyon basin]

what the actual fuck is this final boss

i have to blood punch him but then he just heals

[young mango]

which one, people always say final boss when there’s like 3 final bosses

[halcyon basin]

ancient gods 2, the literally me final boss

[young mango]

Okay

well some tips, just try damaging him with some burst weapons after hammering him, maybe even lock on, and don’t try hitting him outside of his green light or using blood punch as the attack during his greenlight because on that first one he’ll recover health from being hit, and on the second one he straight up just won’t stun

[spring panther]

i have also discovered that combat shotgun full auto is actually viable on the dark lord

[halcyon basin]

wish i was viable on the dark lord

[spring panther]

oh yeah if you attack him during a melee attack without the eye daze he will heal a LOT

i accidentally ssg'd him when he did an attack without the daze and he regained like 80 - 90% of his health back

[sturdy pendant]

Dark lord is worst doom boss by far in my opinion

[spring panther]

hes literally just a buffed marauder

[spring panther]

and yes i just said combat shotgun full auto mod

the mod that is very bad

[sturdy pendant]

yeah ikr, its so dumb. like he had so much potential to be badass but we just got buffered marauder number 37239

[spring panther]

literally just a spirit marauder with 5 phases

[sturdy pendant]

they keep recycling the marauder attack stun mechanic thing for bosses and its stupid

[spring panther]

if it works it works

[young mango]

you’re probably better off just stunning him then hitting him with lock on or something, and losing ammo doesn’t matter if your hammers upgraded

[spring panther]

i know this i've beaten dark lord like 20 times

but it does work when most of your weapons are out of ammo

[spring panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964472230379679806/1200998295301013575/0201de68-d032-4756-a107-9586af7d28c5.mp4?ex=65c837d3&is=65b5c2d3&hm=f185f81c7b6318485e9bffef51dc2c0d67545d483d0eb39e42522e716971caeb&

[random vault]

i feel lock spamming lock on and blood punching him or something would deal more

[young mango]

dark lord is a very dumb boss fight because you have to do one specific combo to stunlock him, combo interruption tech or whatever

you can deal a lot of damage in phase 1, 4, and 5 by doing it and 2 and 3 can be one cycles by doing it

[jolly igloo]

I wonder if ID software will try and remake something like this🤔

[slow sigil]

Uhm ok, good for you ig
Doesn't change the fact that they are kinda badly designed once you look into them

[austere bronze]

I do agree that they are kinda badly designed but I love how they keep you on your toes, especially when thrown into a big fight

[slow sigil]

Meh they aren't hard to ignore and first focus on the pther demons. Doesn't help that ID welcomed the bug that made them just clunky in actual arenas

[austere bronze]

I love how the modded Unreclaimed Earth master level on unfair difficulty implemented the marauder

[austere bronze]

Yeah it is really annoying when another demon hits them and they turn their shield on

[empty basin]

Unfortunately it's a definitely-unintended-behavior that they never bothered to fix over the game's runtime

[strange gale]

even worse, they decided that bug was actually good for the game and then left it in

[empty basin]

We gotta make due with mods for that 🥴 with Better Marauders from the Modpack collection
https://www.nexusmods.com/doometernal/mods/752

[young mango]

and as expected, a certain somebody thinks it’s a good mechanic

a certain condiment themed fellow

[icy yoke]

Am I the only person who genuinely loves the Marauder or am I hopefully not alone

[slow sigil]

Newer people seem to likr the mara more but once you're experiwnced all the shortcomings and flaws become clear

[tame violet]

I love the design, especially the axe.
Now fighting them... not so much
(Mostly because I'm just not very good at the game.)

[young mango]

bell curve

[empty basin]

I do like Marauders actually, I think they are pretty fun to fight

I just wish their AI is more refined and consistent

They are fun to fight when their AI works, but sometimes you just get moments where they'd walk or dash to your face and decides to do a quick shotgun shot instead of their stagger melee attack

And then for some reason the AI bug applies to all marauders in the whole level

[tame violet]

When I played arc complex (I think? I forgot) I was so baffled by the slight missing sliver of demonic corruption before I'd completely forgotten there was a marauder at the end of the level lmao

[young mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077069514505728152/1201099341683773450/IMG_6113.jpg?ex=65c895ee&is=65b620ee&hm=f8f6501a5bff225897eb110c62bbf1578ddbebe7a08488fb2e09865a9b36303f&

[empty basin]

It's ok I know I'm just average ✊ 😔

[young mango]

well I’m sure you’re good but these are just the popular opinions held by people at these skill levels

[tame violet]

Hey I never said he sucks,~~ just I don't like fighting him ~~ scratch that I'm neutral actually. He wasn't as tough as I expected him to be so he never gave me a chance to be frustrated.
I think I've only fought one so far?

[young mango]

I’d go as far to say the average part of the bell curve isn’t even people who genuinely enjoy the marauder, just people who are infatuated with their ability to not struggle with it making them think the marauder has a design that forced them to improve or something, and that wears off as the player gets better

at the end of the day people can still have an opinion, the doom bell curve is mostly just a pattern

[tame violet]

yeah it does make sense.

[young mango]

I haven’t had motivation to play recently so I’m getting a bit rusty

the last long video I made for doom eternal was like 20 days ago

[icy yoke]

I just love the Marauder, design, lore, hell, even the combat!

Also, only games journalists think the Marauder is OP

I got mad when I was new to Eternal, but I knew it was because I was bad, Games Journalists can't accept defeat

[young mango]

bad enemy design does not equal OP

[icy yoke]

Exactly

Wait a sec-
I personally don't think it's bad design tbh

[young mango]

even my themselves the concept is you wait around for them to do a specific attack, and then kill them, and when they’re with other enemies you either have to ignore them entirely or focus on them and only them with no inbetween because you have to be not only on the ground, and facing him for token prioritization, but also have to do specific combos to kill him or else you have to rinse and repeat the whole cycle, this not only goes against the whole mobility principle of doom eternal, but the push forward principle of it as well, not to mention if you are trying to prioritize him in a group of enemies you have to hope and pray they don’t hit him with a projectile or else he’s just not going to do the green light attack at all

thanks man try reading it next time

why

okay

you’re a confusing fellow that’s for sure

[strange gale]

essential workers when asked to read basic safety instructions:

[young mango]

fuck OSHA

your first message in the server is you complaining, but I also do think it’s funny that you yourself have ( so far ) abided by your own 4 words rule

[unborn berry]

why the top performers?

[pulsar turret]

i just finished tag 2 and tbh i kinda act enjoyed the dark lord fight... its a very soulse-esque fight tho i do understand why he doesnt fit

[unborn berry]

What's the best way to dispatch doom hunters? I usually try to plasma rifle their shields away but that seems inaccurate and slow

[small helm]

I suggest a meathook > point-blank SSG > blood punch > SSG > Ballista > meathook > point-blank SSG , works for me

[unborn berry]

feels cheap to use ballista + ssg combo for everything

[small helm]

if it works don't fix it

[weary plover]

[empty basin]

Chaingun Shield -> Blood Punch Twice -> Deal with the Sled-less Doom Hunter however

I usually use a Lock-On Rocket volley for that

[spare brook]

I honestly save my crucible and BFG for demons like Archviles. They just seem to eat attacks from everything otherwise

[austere bronze]

you can blood punch and SSG shot and then you have them without their sled

just PB/rocket then or something and they will die very quickly

[austere bronze]

only use ballista SSG if you are close range

if you are not then you should PB rocket

[austere bronze]

if you freeze an archvile you can kill it with ssg ballista or PB rocket (i think) before it becomes unfrozen

[inner moth]

same

[modern mirage]

so i got a problem in battlemode on a ps4 so i play normally and as i win i got no points for series and its been for many games i got no progress and idk how to solve it anyone know how to make it work again?

[ionic tiger]

Just got the game pretty recently. I’ve wondered because I’ve heard mixed answers, when does “the only thing they fear is you” play? I know it’s the combat music in ace complex, but I also heard it can play depending on how good you’re doing; is this true or is it just at ace complex?

[glossy warren]

it's just arc complex

[azure oriole]

How do you pb sticky on controller

[modern mirage]

pb->r1 (sticky)->r1->pb is that what u mean?

[azure oriole]

I kinda figured myself dont worry lol

[vast canopy]

If i die in a un slayers gate i will lose my progress too?

[glossy warren]

yes

[vast canopy]

Thanks for answering my question

[random vault]

game journalist bad https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[icy yoke]

Cuz they are

[balmy leaf]

Pb rocket vs pb balista, whats the skinny?

[robust warren]

is there any way to trigger a save update in the post-complete Fortress of Doom? Tired of seeing the "Original Praetor Suit Unlocked" banner

[lean heron]

Is the zombie slayer skin still a thing when you join the slayers club ?

[glossy warren]

I dont think there is, happens to me too

[glossy warren]

apparently if you linked your accounts before the update

[copper plaza]

naltere modo

terlane dmoo

mood rentlae?

wait i got iy

MDOO ERENTAL!

[austere bronze]

💀

Let me help you out, DOOM Eternal

can anyone recommend a good modded ML?

[leaden cargo]

Why is this game so fun

[austere bronze]

ikr

really addictive

the gameplay loop is awesome

[ornate verge]

Playing with the cheats the game gives you is super fun

[modern mirage]

agree

[ornate verge]

It’s like you’re a god

[modern mirage]

infinite ammo is super fun

[ornate verge]

Very fun

[austere bronze]

honestly I personally enjoy playing the game normally more

but sometimes it is fun to play with cheats on

[modern mirage]

personally when i first ended the game i didnt have much to do so i give myself a break (first time i beat doom eternal in 5 days) then i wanted to end the game and then i starded playing on cheats and it was very fun

[austere bronze]

which difficulty did you play on?

[modern mirage]

im to young to die

[ornate verge]

I play on give me a challenge

[austere bronze]

try playing on hurt me plenty and get better at the game, as you progress the normal game will get increasinlgy fun

i myself played on hurt me plenty for my first playthrough and quit after that, but then i came back determined to get better and the game was so much more fun once i got good!

[modern mirage]

i beat game twice on im to young to die of which in second i didnt die once and i tried ultraviolence and couldn't make it past hell on earth and i quite enjoy playing on im to young to die as the other doom games i played at im to young to die

[austere bronze]

Do you mean hurt me plenty?

[ornate verge]

Yeah

[austere bronze]

Try hurt me plenty instead, it sounds like im to young to die is way to easy but going from that to UV is a BIG difference

[austere bronze]

Oh ok👍

[modern mirage]

nahh to young to die is still challenging and wouldnt stand wsishsplashes

[austere bronze]

Try the destroyer blade on them

And if you didn't die once in the entire campaign its too easy

[night nest]

Bro I wanna get gold makyr slayer but I can’t even get past the first arena 😭😭😭

[austere bronze]

How do you get the gold maykr skin?

[night nest]

Beat the ancient gods part 1 on ultra nightmare

[modern mirage]

i tried and always they slide and that i did say that i didnt die once it doesnt mean that wasnt close moments

[austere bronze]

Oh damn, that aint easy

[night nest]

Ye

[austere bronze]

I tried it twice and i got through half of CBT atlantica, but the blood swamps is the hardest one i believe

[austere bronze]

I dont like the destroyer blade either actually hehe, try the lock on burst or if you can quick swap then do that

[modern mirage]

btw i have problem with battle mode i win the game and it isn't in records so say i have 1 win and 2 more to get and i win 1 one of them i need the game give me xp and all but not the record and its kinda anoyying

[modern mirage]

i tried lock on burst and quick swap and lock on is better 4 me

[austere bronze]

Then use that and try hurt me plenty

[modern mirage]

make sense

[modern mirage]

u play on pc or console?

[austere bronze]

PC, you?

[modern mirage]

console

[austere bronze]

I can't help you, ive barely played battlemode

[modern mirage]

thats ok

[austere bronze]

Oh ok, im terrible at almost all console games😅

[modern mirage]

i played on a console with doom 2016 and eternal on a console u get a advantage but very small when it come to aiming and quick swap or punch canceling isnt that good

like when u pb rocket its short time when u cant shoot or when puch canceling like pb or balista u have to wait more time to shoot another one

[austere bronze]

Oh alright

[azure oriole]

what advantage?

quick swapping should be objectively better on pc

[strange gale]

if your rocket punch canceling is slower than your pb rocket, you're doing it wrong

[empty basin]

from this message #doom-eternal message it seems that you've played Unreclaimed Earth Unbalanced already, what other ML Mods have you played? So I can make recommendations

[austere bronze]

unreclaimed earth unbalanced was way too hard but i have played final sin master level and i enjoyed that one (without super weaons) and im in the middle of CBT atlantica balanced right now

[empty basin]

mmm for Unreclaimed Earth you definitely should've tried Balanced first lol

[austere bronze]

yeah i realise that now

i watched Murical Eagles video when he played it on UN with alot of restrictions so i thought it wasnt too bad

but i was dead wrong

[empty basin]

kekw

https://www.nexusmods.com/doometernal/mods/1061

I've played like.. 37 Master Levels now so I know a lot of 'em

[austere bronze]

oh wow

ig you are pretty good at the game then

[austere bronze]

ill definitely try it!

[empty basin]

👍 if you want more ML recs you can just ask me

[austere bronze]

all right! thanks!

[spark python]

what happens if you die in ultra nightmare in doom eternal?

are there lives you can obtain in ultra nightmare?

[austere bronze]

you start over from the beginning of the campaign

[austere bronze]

no

[empty basin]

if you die on ultra nightmare, the savefile gets wiped and you'd have to make a new one

[azure oriole]

yeah, @modern mirage you have to first precision bolt then shoot a rocket, punch, rocket keybind and then shoot, repeat

[azure oriole]

I actually want to make a master modded level when i finish with getting good at the game lol

[viscid elk]

whiplash, i hate him

[unborn berry]

Oh actually it's a her

[viscid elk]

OH YEAH

[unborn berry]

Funny DOOM Eternal devs making the most annoying enemy a woman misogyny gaming

[viscid elk]

funny

[austere bronze]

I honestly don't think the whiplash is that annoying anymore, in the beginning 100% but now i barely notice them and kill them very quickly

You just have to constantly move, my least favorite demon is probably the blood maykr

[unborn berry]

Same. Lock on rocket, fire and forget, GG's. But when something goes wrong I find that very often it's a whiplash that got in my way when I didn't expect her to bc she slithers around, and then I stop moving and then I die

[austere bronze]

I feel the same way but with blood maykrs

If you dont notice it or you miss the time frame for a headshot its going to be really annoying

[tribal obsidian]

[vale pebble]

Why isn't skibidi demon there??

It's the worst enemy in the game

[unborn berry]

I am rapidly approaching your location

[vale pebble]

nuh uh

[unborn berry]

Wake me up inside (can't wake up)

[austere bronze]

Oh no, not the gen alphas

[vale pebble]

Save me call my name and save me from this light

(I think I got it wrong)

[unborn berry]

Evanensnence

[vale pebble]

I'm older than gen alpha smh

[austere bronze]

Mhmm

[lean heron]

Ok ok but how do we get more skins ?? I’m trying to get the zombie slayer but I think I joined the slayers club late what y’all think ?

[vale pebble]

You can't get the zombie skin anymore

You can get other skins from the event passes or buying them with irl money

oh and some from the campaign

[slow sigil]

Not without modding that is

[young mango]

zombie skin is the only slayers club skin I have, because i ain’t readin allat

[lean heron]

Daum ok thanks guys

[slow sigil]

I tried it once
I got so pitifully little i never did it again

[sinful maple]

Y’all I’m trying to go for the ultra-nightmare achievements. Is there anything I should do to help make it a bit easier?

[spring panther]

i would become a game journalist

[spring panther]

probably will

[hexed moon]

Yo who here has the Can't Perfect Perfection milestone

[young mango]

the one where you go through the whole game with one token upgrade and one sentinel crystal?

[hexed moon]

Yeah

[young mango]

yea i have it

[hexed moon]

Just got it today

I got all main campaign milestones except the Ultra Nightmare

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/HvnWuayFPuY

Dark Lord is the worst bossfight ever but I’d be lying if I said this wasn’t satisfying to pull off

[hexed moon]

That would have been useful to know on Nightmare difficulty

[thorn dirge]

Just platinumed doom not ok

[azure oriole]

nice!

[crude arch]

Maybe mess around with ur keybinds if ur playing on keyboard, and get used to not using the weapon wheel so u can just quick switch for maximum DPS output. Memorize the enemy placements and when they spawn after certain demons. Learn combos n stuff. Recognize which are the highest level threats. Also, I recommend getting Air Control and Equipment Fiend for runes. Last one can be up to u, I personally ran Blood Fueled. Lastly, just don’t die lol.

Btw, getting the faster dash refill in ur Preator Suit is incredibly useful and always be weary of ur cooldowns.

[robust warren]

is there a way to remove certain weapons from selection by the weapon wheel? I keep hitting my BFG by accident...

i suppose I could just disable it entirely

[crude arch]

You can reorganize how weapons are laid out in the weapon wheel

Idk about removing

[robust warren]

yeah i think i just have to bite the bullet and actually set up an all-weapon-hotkeyed system

the wheel and the scroll are too slow

[azure oriole]

That's how I have it set up on keyboard. Weapon wheel ain't worth it.

I like to have them around WASD.
CAPS - SSG
Q - Shotgun
E - Heavy Cannon
R - Rocket Launcher
F - Ballista
C - Chaingun
X - Plasma Rifle
Z - BFG
V - Crucible/Hammer

[robust warren]

yeah i have a similar setup though with the defaults mostly intact (muscle memory at this point ain't changing)

[crude arch]

Just have keybinds set to where it makes sense to you, and is ofc, optimal.

[slow sigil]

Like having Pr all the way at i

[jolly igloo]

I have the Balista and Rocket Launcher bound to the 2 extra buttons on my mouse

[dusk grail]

are there any secret unlockables that are hard to get?

[steady dome]

I hate marauders.

[dusk grail]

agreed

[azure oriole]

Yes it is

Nah. Anyone who can beat deathadder in svs is top 10

[young mango]

kind of a weird assessment of skill, to a certain point svs might as well be it’s own game

not to discredit deathadder tho, sure he’s a really good player, just an odd way to rank a player tho, since svs is basically just battlemode with extra steps

[meager swallow]

wtf god

[strange gale]

that's a whole different game though, what's the relevance?

[still spruce]

Oh god I’ve been in the battlemode lobby screen for 20 minutes

[night cairn]

I JUST BEAT THE DOOM ETERNAL CAMPAIGN 🙂

[austere bronze]

Nice!

[night cairn]

omg the skill difference from campaign and ancient gods part 1

[austere bronze]

yeah, tag 1 is going to be a challenge if you play on the same difficulty

but I do recommend playing on the same difficulty

[night cairn]

I beat it on Ultra-nightmare

its what I started on 🙂

did it with 16 and eternal

ultra nightmare campaign to ancient gods part1 ultra nightmare, theres a big difference

but its ez with the super shot gun meat hook giving shield.

[azure oriole]

I took it from the straight definition of being "honor bound"

Rather than the game

[azure oriole]

I wouldn't label it as that

SVS 100% has the combat of doom eternal.

You just need to be extremely good at movement, aim, dps, and svs gamesense

Cuz there is gamesense for svs now. There's an emphasis on positioning and map control now.

[azure oriole]

Which is why I think MP holds the highest level of skill in this game.

SVS and Battlemode 3.0 mainly.

[azure oriole]

And with the deathadder thing I said, I was mostly joking lol.

Ey

[unborn berry]

why do pro players meathook to a fodder mob and then PB them?

[vale pebble]

Armor

[azure oriole]

To not slow down since shooting the ssg can slow you down. It also saves ssg ammo.

[unborn berry]

why is ssg slower?

[azure oriole]

It just actually kills your meathook momentum when you shoot it

Meathook ssg will kill your meathook momentum

[unborn berry]

oh interesting

[azure oriole]

Meathook pb won't

Yeah it's a very good habit to get into. It's also super satisfying to do.

It's mainly done on fodder

[inner moth]

💀

[azure oriole]

you can try to use your pinky for weapon selection

i do that and is very flexible for movement but requires a lot of practice

[azure oriole]

if you do that you also get a speed boost by weapon swapping, try to meat hook horizontally then change weapon, you will yeet away

[unborn berry]

so that's how pro players seem to fly around the map

[azure oriole]

exactly

if you want even more yeeting power, meathook strafe into ballista

[unborn berry]

lol it always seemed funny to me how the ballista just launches you like a rocket

[torpid carbon]

One of my friends calls it ballista boosting

You can do something similar with the 2016 gauss cannon

[azure oriole]

sylar also made a video about the various techniques for quick swapping if you are curious

and there is also a speedrun video about movement mechanics like bhopping and ballista boosting or yeethook

[unborn berry]

i'll check them out thanks

how useful are those mobility techniques for UN runs, not focusing on speed? I've seen decino do a UN run where he just hung out far away and took potshots whenever he could

[azure oriole]

aif you hold your weaponwheel while meathook chain is active and pulling you, you will accumulate speed corresponding to you fps

[azure oriole]

not really, UN is about planning not really adaptability

if you want to get more into movement either speedrun of master master levels

[unborn berry]

long term goal for me is making UN look casual

[unborn berry]

why master levels?

[azure oriole]

i only did UN TAG 1 without bfg, it was easy only because i have a decent aim and movement though

[azure oriole]

because you can't plan it at all, unless you take hundreds of tries

if you vary the master levels you play you will get a better time at adapting to the scenario

[unborn berry]

why so? I haven't done any master levels yet btw, just focusing on nightmare for the main game

[azure oriole]

nexus mod has a tons of them too, like delta campaign, but first i'd tell you to do the default ones

[azure oriole]

imagine super gore nest, but with twice the amount of demons you find in the last level of base campaign

[unborn berry]

stop. I can only get so hyped

[azure oriole]

lel yeah, doom eternal is a good game even for thousands of hours probably just take your time with it

[leaden quail]

cats r in doom eternal?

[unborn berry]

catodemon

mancucat

nyancubus

[leaden quail]

damn

pain catomental

or wait
pain gatomental

[unborn berry]

cat maykr (that was an easy one)

[leaden quail]

catnip lord

[unborn berry]

meowrauder

catcass

cuteball

[meager swallow]

i hate you for those immeowculately crafted words

[leaden quail]

caligoyle

acatnotron

[meager swallow]

arachnyatron

:3

[leaden quail]

omg thats just adorable

whipcat ig

[unborn berry]

fuck the whiplash all my homies hate whiplash

[leaden quail]

yea lmao

idk what to call soldiers tho

i wanna do a 2016 one

[azure oriole]

Would be a lot better without air control

[azure oriole]

you can play without it tho

Yeah that's true, but it shouldn't exist

[unborn berry]

why not?

[azure oriole]

:>

Free movement

No need to learn movement when you can just use air control

[crude arch]

Hot take: Mancubus and Cyber suck and Marauder is fun to fight

[leaden quail]

i thought of something different
whipscratch

[azure oriole]

The marauder looks nice. I want to sleep with him.

[crude arch]

That’s crazy

[leaden quail]

oh my

[azure oriole]

Real

[crude arch]

I want to cosplay as him, he’s so badass

[azure oriole]

I love fighting the marauder with no air control, cuz air control is really bad

[crude arch]

Huh?

[azure oriole]

I eat air control players for breakfast

Yum yum yum

😋

[crude arch]

lol

[unborn berry]

i have never played with air control and i don't know how it would benefit me

the only rune i always have is the one that makes you fast

[crude arch]

Feels nice in Nightmare

It just makes my life easier

[unborn berry]

i like glory killing everything so fast glorykills + fast after glorykills + glorykills from far away is fun

[crude arch]

My personal three are Air Control + Equipment Fiend + Blood Fueled.

[crude arch]

I found these three particularly useful in TAG 1.

[gusty mango]

hi

[azure oriole]

it does

it is meant for speedruns i think, the devs already had that in mind like for modding

have you ever watched a ballista boost run?

[night nest]

Bro dread knight is so annoying

Like people just run around as a dread knight and wait till berserk is ready and then kill you and act like they’re good smh

[robust warren]

so uh the coin room in taras nabad ml

i don't think I can beat it?

ARC Complex was always my favorite

I never liked Cultist or Doom Hunter bases, not sure why, but I think the beginning is the weakest segment of the game TBH

[modern mirage]

i mean that when it come to aim when u have your "shot dot" idk how to call it it close to weak point and weapon mod it will get to that weak point and that punch canceling and quick swap isnt that good as on pc

[robust warren]

and I actively dislike Exultia. Not sure why

[modern mirage]

what is the most boring boss ?

yes i agree

[slow sigil]

dark lord's toughest moment is trying to fight your will to sleep

made by ID i hope

bethesda did absolute jackshit and allegedly was responsible for some of the more scummy big corporate additions so nah

[random vault]

we dont know

[slow sigil]

no microsoft has banned any more production of one of their more profitable game series for no reason

[azure oriole]

IIRC Hugo Martin said they intend for Doom to have a future. They clearly are just giving it a rest, likely wanting to make a Quake game.

[random vault]

another shooter game like doom but with an occult theme instead of hell

[slow sigil]

DUSK

[random vault]

i like dusk

[modern mirage]

for me eternal is more fun zone and 2016 is more rip and tear fun zone 4 me eternal is better

[slow sigil]

average kid that just discovered doom

[random vault]

doom slayer is the super sigma

[strange gale]

hellsing game developed by id 🌝

[random vault]

that game looks cool i played the demo

i havent bought the full thing though i might on sale

i also wanna try bmp bullets per minute

instead i collect leaves to mine limestone in satisfactory

[slow sigil]

also try metal hellsinger

[random vault]

thats what i meant when i said i played the demo i played that games demo

[slow sigil]

i thought metal hellsinger was better then BPM

[strange gale]

oh i meant hellsing as in the vampire manga

[random vault]

yeah im dumb

[slow sigil]

yes we know it, you just discovered the series and think the most overused joke is supposed to get us all to yell in praise you just reposted it

[random vault]

daisy

[modern mirage]

btw is anyone here read/is reading berserk?

daisy

[vale pebble]

I want to some day

[modern mirage]

u should

[modern mirage]

u can on read berserk manga online

[slow sigil]

can you stop acting like a chatbot fed on year1 doom opinions

[crude arch]

WTF??? 😭😭

MAN

[slow sigil]

(it was an obvious joke)

[crude arch]

Oh, oh. Ok.

I did a quick search, apparently there’s leaks of a new game this or next year.

[slow sigil]

there was one for last year

[crude arch]

Wot

[slow sigil]

the leak

[crude arch]

Ah

[slow sigil]

but dishonered 3 was also on it so yeah

[slow sigil]

and we haven't even gotten a teaser for it which for 2016 adn eternal both happened 2 year prior to release sooo

no

[crude arch]

No

Really messy situation, but doesn’t seem like he’ll ever be working with the devs again.

Sadly..

Mick rly made me appreciate music in games so much more

ESPECIALLY after playing through the DLC.

But oh well

[unborn berry]

the metal bit just goes unreasonably hard for a mere parody song

[unborn berry]

quit having fun!!!

[slow sigil]

yes because it's getting obnoxious, ads nothing new, and literally noone but himself interacts with it rn

[unborn berry]

based

doom slayer solos mandela catalogue btw

[crude arch]

@unborn berry nice pfp u got there 👈

[unborn berry]

there's a room in the fortress of doom where you spend 2 sentinel batteries and you get it, same with original 2016 praetor suit

[unborn berry]

thanks pardner 🤠

[unborn berry]

i can't tell you where it is though, the design of the fortress is so convoluted i have no idea where anything is i just stumble upon it by accident 😭

[modern mirage]

btw how u deal with dread khights in battlemode

[unborn berry]

yeah

[young mango]

you guys are stuck in a time loop

doomcrossing was barbenheimer before it was a thing but it was even less funny

are new doom fans still worried about that? man cmon he’s been replaced since like late 2020 by Andrew Hulshult and David Levy and the fact is that if they needed to ask this question they probably didn’t even hear the difference

[crude arch]

Yep

[crude arch]

Hmm…

[azure oriole]

do you spam meathook? as far as i watched they can't go berserk while in air or am i wrong?

[azure forum]

A good strategy is to focus on them at the begining of the round. Make sure you put them low as quick as possible. If you fail, make sure you keep yourself stacked and use portals and jumpads to your advantage

[solid quiver]

nightmare mode is so stinky sometimes

oh my god i can be santa slayer how did i just figure this out

[unborn berry]

lately im finding many nightmare arenas that i would've been dying 20 times in very easy

how I improved: just press buttons faster lol. Sometimes it doesn't matter what weapon combo you use so long as you're taking advantage of the faster cooldown from switching up. Also make sure not to blow yourself up. Rebinding the keys tightly around WASD also helped, my current setup: SSG on mouse wheel down, Ballista on mouse wheel up, chaingun on Q, shotgun, heavy cannon, plasma gun, and rocket launcher on default numbers

also improved my meathook play and learned some basic combos, like blood punching cybermancs and doom hunters (making sure NOT to go face first into the green goo), ballista + SSG/rocket/PB for anything that takes big damage, and chaingun for the hell knight family of demons

remembering to use flame belch, nades and crucible whenever they become available was also a big one

[crude arch]

Idk about Crucible, I think it should be used on extremely high level threats, like either Tyrants and especially Archviles.

[glossy warren]

crucible is boring unless you know for a fact you're not making it past that stage

[unborn berry]

tyrants don't feel very threatening, archviles get the lightsaber though

[crude arch]

Also

[glossy warren]

tyrants are cute bullet sponges, archviles are an issue if there's more than 2

[crude arch]

I recently learnt, the Marauder can get crucified.

[unborn berry]

crucified?

[glossy warren]

in glory kill state

[crude arch]

By Crucible

[crude arch]

Nope

Can be done the first time you stun him

[solid quiver]

mauraders are like the easiest thing ever

[unborn berry]

how?

[glossy warren]

oh really

[unborn berry]

i think the crucified thing was a typo cause i can't find any footage of the marauder getting "crucified" only crucible'd

[young mango]

video?

[crude arch]

https://youtu.be/5237Z7uBA54?si=bRhHOdqUzRYlna3q

[crude arch]

☝️

[young mango]

he’s in glory kill state the person just has the highlight off

[crude arch]

Ah

[empty basin]

The Crucible also has a straight up 0% damage scaling against the Marauder so you can't do the same insta-kill trick that you can do on other demons, where you aim the weapon somewhere around where the demon is standing to deal 10k damage without the glory kill animation

[ornate verge]

I hate the marauder

[tacit aspen]

I like the design of his horns, aren't there sheep like that?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183398655789649962/1201740432636387339/Jacob_s-4-Horn.jpg?ex=65caeafe&is=65b875fe&hm=6135dfefa8885fb524a5b30b889a63e154204b3e13ccddd40cdbce3cc8d0a55c&

So cool.

[ornate verge]

His design is cool but

He’s a pain in the ass

[tacit aspen]

Fair

[crude arch]

I wish he did more than just, stand at a certain distance, wait patiently for him to blatantly signal with GREEN FLASHING EYES, and then stun him to deal damage.

It just, idk, half the time he doesn't feel right when encountering him.

I wish he was more of, y'know, your equal.

Barely even feels like a "boss".

The presentation (to me) doesn't live up to the gameplay.

Still, he's such a cool demon, just, wish they did more.

[acoustic lark]

Morning Demon Murder Gang!

[hybrid light]

Guys can I quit out of a master level and continue another day?

[acoustic lark]

no

[hybrid light]

Seriously

You can even do that in horde mode

[acoustic lark]

i mean sure u can quit it, you just need to start over again

[hybrid light]

I’m not starting over

Wish me luck

[young mango]

hello kekkerino

[acoustic lark]

[young mango]

I’m in a good mood because I just got done finishing a good speedrun

[acoustic lark]

oi congratz! What did u run?

[young mango]

I did TAG2 any% restricted, my final time was 20m 20s

[acoustic lark]

dayum!!!!

[young mango]

I beat out bloodshots old run by 9 seconds

[acoustic lark]

I would need 20m for the last fight alone

[young mango]

dark lord is straight RNG

[acoustic lark]

The only things that i dont like about TAG1 and TAG2 are the boss fights at the end.
Everything else is mint

[young mango]

samur has a phase that is literal autoscrolling

even though his run is outdated beating a notable speedrunners time even by a few seconds makes me feel like I’m a real speedrunner now outside of it just being a title

[acoustic lark]

No matter how fast or good you are.
If you are speedrunning, you are a speedrunner 🙏

[young mango]

immora + dark lord took up like 40% of the in game time

I would’ve never gotten such a good time if I didn’t have a goalpost in the first place

[empty basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965739133236555836/1201790878251745311/782330_20240130152652_1.png
There we go, completed in 52m, without switching to Ultra-Violence this time.

I still stand by my opinion of the level having too many Buff Totems/Archvile Buffs but I suppose I know now the strat for the final citadel encounter.

||It seems that all this time I was reverse-baited by the double Possessed Tyrants that I ironically tried to focus on everything else but them before this, so they're still alive by the time the second wave comes up and combined with the Buff Totem Double Archvile it made the second wave unplayable.
So this time I just hyper-focus on the Possessed Tyrants from the get-go, and it seems to work out.||

@outer harness I've finally done it! (balanced)

[winter bramble]

In ultra nightmare at what point does the game save?

[empty basin]

When you clear a level, you get a chance to quit to main menu or desktop at the level end screen, akin to the one I just sent

and you can continue the save later

[winter bramble]

ohh okay thank you, i had made it past 3 levels and was in the main ship and left because i thought it was save and lost progress

[young mango]

Nice man, first three levels are the hardest, when you do it again you have a high likelihood of clearing the entire campaign

[winter bramble]

ive beat the game a few times on easier difficulties but ive never touched nightmare or ultra nightmare

[young mango]

well hey you’re doing really good for your first time then

I mean like first time with these difficulties

[torn mesa]

Oppinion on marrauders?

[vernal prism]

I fucking hate marauders

[torn mesa]

I love em

U just gotta find a way to dance with em 😃

[vernal prism]

Lol pretty much

[torn mesa]

Also why does the TAG spirit look like the 2016 archvile/summoner

[vernal prism]

[azure oriole]

I eat campaign players like you for breakfast

[midnight bolt]

Prove it

[azure oriole]

Hot

I wanna eat them up

Nom now nom 😋

[young mango]

People who play gamemodes/rulesets can always manage to be better than those from other gamemodes/rulesets

[azure oriole]

Nope, campaign players drink soy

They're like: AMBATAICEBOMB UAAAHHHH

[young mango]

are dreamybull memes still a thing?

[azure oriole]

I don't think you understand... I AM THE GOD OF THE DESTRUCTION OF AIR CONTROL.

You see... there will come a time where I will be watching all campaign players from above.

[young mango]

battlemode players really have to make battlemode their entire personality

[azure oriole]

I will be seeing them, playing with their little air control.

I'll be towering above all of them, like the icon of sin.

I will open my hand, and there will sit the air control rune.

And then.... I'LL CRUSH IT!!!!

AND THEN I'LL LAUGH LIKE THIS, "MUUUHHAAHAHAHAHAA, NO MORE AIR CONTROL FOR ANYONE!!!"

And now... all of the campaign players will become soft and tender.

[quartz mantle]

I once saw this guy do 10 consecutive backflips and then roundhouse kick a man in his own home.

[azure oriole]

They are now ready.

[austere bronze]

Then I am Mogul

[azure oriole]

I will scoop then all up, and smash them into a large campaign player meat patty.

Mmmmmm. Just the thought of it makes me drool.....

[young mango]

had to google that and still didn’t get results for the reference, nerddd

[azure oriole]

And I will put the patty in two burger buns, add some lettuce & tomatoes, and eat it.

And I will rule all...

[austere bronze]

Pretty sure it's the ttitan that raised you up to the father in tag 1, the biggest titan that exists (probably)

[young mango]

that’s maligog

[midnight bolt]

I bet the Icon of Sin doesn't like it when you use air control

Don't make him cry

[austere bronze]

Ah

[hybrid light]

Fellas game crashed on the escape part of super gore nest master level nightmare difficulty

[midnight bolt]

Air Control crashes your game

Turn it off

[azure oriole]

Listen to him

[midnight bolt]

Crush air control. Destroy air control. Decimate air control. Annihilate air control.

Rip and Tear air control... until it is done!

[azure oriole]

My favorite DOOM song is The Only Thing Yummier Than Air Control is Chaingun Shield.

[young mango]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-alright-i-get-it-i-get-it-enough-gif-19558825

[azure oriole]

The lyrics kinda go like, "if you don't un-equip air control and chaingun shield, you'll be eaten up. Nom nom"

[young mango]

the joke gets funnier everytime you tell it trust

[azure oriole]

I believe you

[young mango]

i don’t care how you play but try not to force play styles onto other people, much less repeat the same joke about it 10 times in less than 30 minutes

[azure oriole]

My balls itch asf

[hybrid light]

How do I turn off air control

[quartz mantle]

With your mind

[midnight bolt]

Dossier -> Runes -> Unselect (Air Control)

[empty basin]

maybe try lowering your graphics setting a bit to see if that fixes it?

[hybrid light]

Okay got it

[austere bronze]

Air control doesnt crash your game

[midnight bolt]

Yes it does

[austere bronze]

Why do you hate air control?

[young mango]

come on man it’s a new player they don’t even know you’re messing with them

[midnight bolt]

I don't hate it, I think it's delicious!

[austere bronze]

💀

[tame topaz]

it's a velser

been a minute

[austere bronze]

Having air control on makes basically everything with movement easier and better

[hybrid light]

What

[empty basin]

Velser was just messing with you

[young mango]

do people against air control just not do yeethooks or any type of major boost for that matter

[austere bronze]

They probably doesnt know what DOOM eternal movement is

[young mango]

well i wouldn’t say that

battlemode players definitely have a good grasp of movement mechanics

however the whole giving yourself arbitrary restrictions things comes off as elitist and completely neglects the fact that some people play for speed

like you’re not exactly going to get the fastest times if you’re intentionally making movement harder on yourself

[austere bronze]

I have no idea what battlemode players are up to💀

[midnight bolt]

Bro I'm just fucking with you guys no need to take this shit seriously

[quartz mantle]

Coward

[azure oriole]

Just easier

[austere bronze]

So you are going to ballista boost and quick swap to PB to get the same effect?

[strange gale]

the way i see it, speedrun movement is hard because you have to consistently hit a bunch of small (and huge) optimizations to get even a slightly competitive time

individual walldashes/punchboosts/bozodashes/fibs/etc may not be hard on their own, but hitting every single one stacks up a bunch of time gain throughout a run, ie air control is a necessity

[young mango]

no walldashes in TAG2 route thank god🙏

also super zased, there’s like 7 different skips I need to pull off in world spear and it takes a bit to not only get all of them in one go but make sure I actually have a good end result time

[strange gale]

speed is irrelevant in casual play though, so you can kinda do whatever with air control because survivability isn't an issue in this game

in a casual context you don't have to earn busted movement

[young mango]

people who restrict themselves like that aren’t casual players tbh

[flat aspen]

Man are they gonna update the events again?

[random vault]

the events automatically rotate every few months

[rare flint]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-cacodemon-demon-cute-gif-7070685866677885551

[rustic epoch]

Cacodemon goodboy

[quick yew]

world spear goes unfathomably hard

both the level and the soundtrack

[leaden quail]

super gore nest

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/731171027685605376/1020898527334895666/speed.gif

[hearty ore]

HELLo

[flat aspen]

It’s been a few months already the timer expired and it hasn’t changed

[azure oriole]

If doom hat titanfall movement it eould be even a better game

[strange gale]

sure, user named "9 toes (also has 3 balls)", also known as "fusnagel17istgeil_73714"

[inner moth]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-goose-peace-was-never-any-option-gif-16563148593469228887

[crude arch]

I had the whackiest dream last night...

[unborn berry]

what's your favorite level from an aesthetic standpoint

personally i greatly prefer doom hunter base, the tech + hell aesthetic just does it for me

[slow sigil]

blood swamps probs

[golden parcel]

Hi

[copper plaza]

its like quake meme with ducks called QUACK

[winged ruin]

Nekravol pt.1, hell on earth, and the last half of sentinel prime

The cultist base/doom hunter base are close seconds

Generally love the DOOM Hell aesthetic, it slaps I think

[glossy warren]

holt

[glossy warren]

blood swamp is second for me

[golden parcel]

Guys I got a question

Even though I'm part of slayers club how come I don't have the zombie slayer is it still available or nope

[compact burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-marauder-come-at-me-gif-18233194

"marauder fan" mfs when they see a green shirted dude with a helmet armed with a shotgun:

"LET ME HELP YOU SEE, SLAYER."

[random vault]

ok

[golden parcel]

Ha

[unborn berry]

idc what anyone says i like marauders

they feel like the only demons that can match the slayer 1 for 1

except for when ssg + ballista but that's every demon

[compact burrow]

I hate em because of their choice of weapon

[unborn berry]

uses melee weapon at long range
uses firearm at close range
tactical dog

[golden parcel]

Ye