doom-eternal

[flint flame]

This is the state of the doom community in year 4

[charred jewel]

could happen

what if every doom 2 enemy was totallysaber

[young mango]

Sad but true

this server needs its age limit raised to 16+ to purge all the members who still don’t know how to spell their name correctly

Newblood did that

[halcyon wagon]

Needs to be lowered to around 5+ so we get more players in the community 🤠

[charred jewel]

fine ill say it another way, is ultra nightmare on tag 1 harder than the campaign??

only bought the dlcs this month

[slow sigil]

no it's easier

[young mango]

Easier cuz you don’t have to do 13 whole levels, shorter, more margin for error

[charred jewel]

fair

how many levels are there in tag 1 + 2??

[halcyon wagon]

I found tag 1 easier because u already got everything good campaign u don't

[young mango]

Although the quickswap meta started becoming a thing during TAG1 development so you might wanna pick up that skill

TAG1 is 3 levels, TAG2 is 4 levels, 1 of them being a bossfight level

[charred jewel]

ive already done ultra nightmare on the campaign so im pretty sure im set

[young mango]

Yea you got this

Funnily enough TAG1 was the last thing I did ultra nightmare on, I did TAG2, campaign, and TAG1 was an afterthought

[charred jewel]

tag 2 you get golden weapon skins right?? is it nightmare or ultra nightmare??

[young mango]

It’s nightmare and ultra nightmare

[charred jewel]

aightt

after i get all the milestones in the game ill focus on the master levels

cultist base master level got any rewards or??

[young mango]

Nope

[charred jewel]

fair

[halcyon wagon]

Wait there's a cultist base ML?

[charred jewel]

yhh rip and tear pack

gives you the toot revenant skin and the ml

[halcyon wagon]

Ohh

[charred jewel]

how come arc complex doesn't have any rewards though

[young mango]

Because it was a 1.0 master level just like cultist base, rewards were a feature meant to implemented with future master levels, which eventually happened

[charred jewel]

oh? i thought sgn was the first

[young mango]

Nope, super gore nest was third

[charred jewel]

ohh

[young mango]

Also something funny is master levels or at least the buttons to start master levels are stored locally, so if you start doom eternal for the first time with no internet you just don’t have access to master levels lol

[charred jewel]

so there's cultist base, arc complex, sgn, mars core right?

or is there more??

[young mango]

Taras Nabad, and world spear if you own TAG2

[charred jewel]

im never touching taras nabad fuck that

worst level going for the platinum and in the game imo 🙏

[brittle anvil]

doom ancient gods part 4 you got to jail

[charred jewel]

😔😔

[flint flame]

Average platinum fan:

[charred jewel]

[novel token]

yes

[gleaming smelt]

True

kindergarteners need to learn how to be a soldier

[jolly kernel]

which Master Level you guys think is the easiest?

[radiant flare]

if super gore nest is the easiest then i am terrified to play the other ones lol

[flint flame]

Doom does NOT make you any more of a man. Just cause you play it doesn’t make you into some arbitrary sigma male gigachad

[serene sonnet]

wdym doom makes you a gigglechad like patrick bateman instantly

[strange gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1141655937485119489.gif

[radiant flare]

is it possible to glory kill spectres?

[azure oriole]

We are in a lul state with doom (yet again). Hopefully 2024 will get something good from ID

(Mighty doom doesn't count. Mobile gaming garbage trash)

[halcyon wagon]

Not much harder honestly

I was kinda surprised like u but when I did em it wasn't bad

Yo what does a "hot streak" mean I have 6/7 for the shotgun skin

[azure oriole]

Guys how do I get more mastery token

Pls 😢

[flint flame]

Win four out of five consecutive matches

It’s currently bugged, so streaks count twice

[sturdy kernel]

Arc Complex

[azure forum]

Out of the 4 actual master levels, SGN.

[sturdy kernel]

im surprised people see SGN as the easier one, I always found Mars Core to be easier

[azure forum]

Yep, some people actually find Mars core easier. I guess is either of those two

[sturdy kernel]

Maybe its just because that toxic pool marauder room tramutized me the first time i played it lol

[vivid nest]

master levels suck

fun but really spammy

[sturdy kernel]

CAWWWWPPP

[vivid nest]

its fun for sure and better tehn other levels

but later on it turns to spam
and the only reward u get is something stupid like a banenr

[sturdy kernel]

i do wish the rewards were better though yeah

the gold combat shotgun is prob the only thing thats worth it

[vivid nest]

pretty much

[sturdy kernel]

Like cmon, give me a flaming ssg or a ballista that shoots rainbow lasers or sum idk lol

[warped sage]

How hard/easy would 2016 be if we replace Slayer’s whole set of arsenal with the Eternal counterparts, plus the equipment launcher and dashing?

[uncut creek]

much easier

[azure oriole]

Gamebreaking lmao XD

[warped sage]

Note that you will still start the loadout from its very basics. Combat shotgun at the start.

[azure oriole]

:l

This is soo 2012 rn oml

What would happen if doom eternal came out in 2010?

I think that would be cool ngl

[flint flame]

Wym, the chrome skins/classic green suits are great

But yeah ig the title cards are lame

I like the world spear and mars core ones

[vagrant estuary]

@young mango BRO

[young mango]

What

[vagrant estuary]

Didn't you have a steam community post on tiers to killing demons?

I need image perms

Can't have them sadly

[young mango]

Yes I did and I eventually recycled it into my extensive doom eternal guide why

[vagrant estuary]

because I need it

So you don't have it anymore?

[young mango]

Pinned messages the document is there, scroll down to the “Optimal Enemy Destruction” section

[vagrant estuary]

Alright

[vagrant estuary]

@young mango

[young mango]

Um overall? About 1-2 weeks, i would write it in huge bursts, the only issue was gathering new speedrun information often scraping the speedrun server for tech to find

It’s forever a work in progress because new information is always being found, just a week ago I discovered menu dblade, although I haven’t gotten around to adding that to the document yet

[vale badger]

Hello chat.

👋

[young mango]

The reason I haven’t added it isn’t because I haven’t gotten around to it, more of because menu dblade is this unholy fusion between two tech

It’s basically if reverse trigger mod double shot and pause boosting were combined

Yes

Isn’t everything in doom eternal unintentional bugs?

Like bugs that don’t work current patch?

[warped sage]

What is the max amount of echelons in Eternal?

[young mango]

Three I can think off on the top of my head, slope boosting, energy shield vacation, and infinite crucible, if you want more than just straight tech that was patched, in 2.0 a lot of crucial things were patched like the ability to distract marauders with ice bomb, and my least favorite change, forced attack animations added inbetween icon of sin armor pieces breaking, so you would have to wait like twice as long for no reason, xiae boosting, xiae padding, and yesclip was fixed

I’m not that familiar with xiae boosting but iirc it’s basically like a better dashboost that sends you higher

Weapon wheel wasn’t required for slope boosting but it made it a lot easier as weapon wheel slowed down time allowing for more jump inputs to be registered in a smaller amount of ingame time

That was most likely a zip boost

Well there’s an easier way to make it to the hammer earlier

How many frames do you get?

Yea

Well if it’s high enough you may be able to pull off a good yeethook

https://youtu.be/pbFxbOIhDO0

In this run I used yeethook against a slope surface in the beginning of world spear to change my horizontal speed into vertical speed

Thanks

Also

If you’re looking to get a faster hammer room without any absurdly hard to pull off glitches there’s this

https://youtu.be/XQm-izxDkC8

At 1:32 in this video I skip the first major arena by just boosting into the room with the monkey bar, the way I did it isn’t technically the easiest way to pull it off, but the most time efficient way, the easiest way would be to lure the armored baron to meathook up there and then use it again to gain extra height towards the monkey bar and enter backwards, entering backwards is a required thing btw

Hope this helps for future runs of TAG2

[vagrant estuary]

Gosh the sentinel hammer is so fun

[azure oriole]

😨

[rose nymph]

Hey guys i beat doom on im too young to die, (dont bully me im new😭), what do i do? Should i make a new play through but instead hurt me plenty?

[velvet olive]

Yes

[rose nymph]

But what do i do if its too hard

[velvet olive]

It won't be if you can complete the first difficulty

[rose nymph]

Oh ok

[velvet olive]

You already know all the basics

Redo it but more careful

[rose nymph]

Oh ok thanks

[strange gale]

really wish hotswapper was on by default and that the first 2ish levels were harder to compensate

pb punchswapping and multiblast are so strong early game that the difficulty curve is a straight line until you get a little bit into cultist base

[feral fable]

bruh don't you hate when you get surrounded during a glory kill

[slow sigil]

i wished the first 2 levels dit a lot of things sooner

rune in the first level, start with dash, HC straight up after the GK together with chainsaw

[crimson yarrow]

Who do you think made the best Reclaimed Earth master level?

Proteh, Rainlight or idk?

[fallow siren]

Can modders port Snapmap to Eternal???

without being sued by Id in the process of course

[acoustic lark]

Thats.... just not how modding works... no

DOOM Eternal would have to be made with SnapMap in mind for this

[fallow siren]

I thought it was like magic

are complete different engines?

[acoustic lark]

yes

[fallow siren]

that sucks

[acoustic lark]

DOOM 2016 was idTech 6, Eternal is a complete new generation, idTech7

[azure oriole]

rip snapmap 2016-2016

[gleaming smelt]

Hey yall

do you guys recommend getting some kind of like flash drive for doom

for doom 2016 and eternal i mean

[fresh sequoia]

Hi

[azure oriole]

Me when I know nothing about programming

[fallow siren]

Well, if you consider the fact that men was capable to build a computer which is nothing more than metal weld to a plastic board to conduct eletricity, and that this process make things appear in a screen that you can interact with, then magic already exists in this world.

I mean, humanity comes up with ideas from nowhere and build crazy things.

[azure oriole]

That doesn't have anything to do with programming

[fallow siren]

oh it does, we would never reach where we now in technology doing math on paper alone

[winged depot]

Oh no...

I died at Ultra-Nightmare fighting the Gladiator.

[ruby scaffold]

Oof

You got any tips for U-N

[winged depot]

Using your weapons wisely and don't run right at the enemy.

[ruby scaffold]

What ABT runes you got suggestions for that?

Or like any upgrades, my best is cultist

[azure oriole]

aerial control, blood punch, grenades cooldown

[ruby scaffold]

Hmm alr I'll see if that works

[azure oriole]

aerial control is the most essential

[ruby scaffold]

Yea

[winged depot]

But im a bit down anyway.

[ruby scaffold]

Cause ya lost at gladiator?

[tiny steeple]

If you fight a tyrant use freeze bomb, 2 grenades, 3 ssg, 3 ballista

[ruby scaffold]

I suggest killing him on nightmare. A few times. Same with all bosses, when you lose a life restart

[winged depot]

Yea.

[ruby scaffold]

Alr bet

[ruby scaffold]

I feel you, not that I've gotten that far

[tiny steeple]

I'm at final sin ultra nightmare, wish me luck

[ruby scaffold]

Gl my man

You practiced him yet?

[winged depot]

I did, but when i was about to do on Ultra-Nightmare, i died at the second phase.

[tiny steeple]

Yep

[winged depot]

Idk, when i do on Nightmare, i do it just fine.

[ruby scaffold]

His 2nd phase is hard. But a tip for 2nd when he does his little yellow attack (the one like that game with a rope and you jump) make sure to dodge after because his dash hurts

[ruby scaffold]

Im pretty sure that's because youd get scared because your like "ooh I'm at gladiator) and getting excited. Which is fair but try and keep focus

[winged depot]

But on Ultra-Nightmare, i get very nervous and with anxiety becuase i know i have only one chance.

I mean, i can't handle myself on UN.

[ruby scaffold]

Yea that's what mean just try and remain calm throughout the battle
You will win

Thats ofc if you remain calm

[shut grove]

schnawg

[ruby scaffold]

Ok

Yea because you only touch grass that's in the game

[shut grove]

💀

[ruby scaffold]

Oook your 10 what a difference

[shut grove]

cap

[ruby scaffold]

Ikr

[shut grove]

cap

[ruby scaffold]

"I have beat doom + all dlcs twice" bro nobody cares

[shut grove]

cap

[ruby scaffold]

14

[shut grove]

anime pc = L

[ruby scaffold]

"ok dam 14 that's cap my g your ofc like 9" 🤡

[shut grove]

but you waste your life on a game?

dafuq

[zealous mulch]

I do

[ruby scaffold]

Lol valuable nah mate your getting it wrong my life ain't valuable brother. And also showing what you did? You know you can make it sound like your not a piece of shit

[ruby scaffold]

Irrelevant side character moment

[zealous mulch]

Not like you’re the main character☠️

[ruby scaffold]

Bro nice? You said not that hard

[shut grove]

https://tenor.com/view/super-sonic-sonic-adventure-minor-spelling-mistake-minor-spelling-mistake-i-win-minor-spelling-mistake-i-win-meme-gif-24372166

[zealous mulch]

Embed it

Copy image or idk how it’s in English

[shut grove]

schnawguluhtoogen doesn't know how to use gif 💀

[ruby scaffold]

Okay my guy whatever you say 🤡🤡

Thx

I guess

[shut grove]

dawg befriended him, he turned a new leaf

[tiny steeple]

What's your guy's least favorite enemy to fight

[shut grove]

armored baron

he's just a bullet sponge that

[zealous mulch]

I hate the mf whiplash

[tiny steeple]

Mine is spirit+tyrant

[shut grove]

nah spirit+cyber mancubus

[tiny steeple]

What I do for whiplash is insta kill it with lock on

[ruby scaffold]

Spirit + Marauder ong

Combo sucks ass cheeks

Marauder gets turned into a train. Big hitforce and tiny window to hit him

[tiny steeple]

What I do for that abomination is 2 grenades for stun and crucible

[zealous mulch]

The marauder is kinda fun to fight

[ruby scaffold]

Yea but the spirit one isnt

If you've gotten to the last arena for horde mode one of them abominations spawn and it's a nightmare

If you do it look on the nightmare leaderboard 36th place ong

"cough please look it took me a while

[tiny steeple]

Imagine spirit + archvile

[winged depot]

Sorry, i forgot to thank you for cheering me up, i felt this like a big defeat.

[robust elk]

Me when someone talks about the game in the channel dedicated to said game

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/1BiJ4IqqXAw

Using this method it’s laughably easy to take down a possessed marauder

[jaunty vapor]

Mobile Turret moment.

[young mango]

downpatch to 6.0 and every moment is a mobile turret moment :D

[jaunty vapor]

Wait am I forgetting something about MT and 6.0?

[young mango]

Yea 6.0 mobile turret could be used on marauder

Sylar made a couple of videos on it saying stuff like “The IGN combo is Back”

[jaunty vapor]

Mobile Turret stun locking Possessed Marauder should be in all versions

[young mango]

Yea I know but I mean you could use it on regular marauder too

[jaunty vapor]

Ooh weird

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/bEYyWYhEUyg

[flint flame]

You lose crucible by the time you get to a spirit lmao

[tiny steeple]

I forgot they said spirit lol

[flint flame]

Ruh roh, we got a tos breach

[young mango]

Also that’s not even how that works

You can’t crucible a marauder unless he’s in glory kill state

[tiny steeple]

Oh, sorry my mistake

[slow sigil]

you can attack him, move to the side, and shoot him in his side though

[young mango]

I know

But sort of unrelated

[simple vessel]

anyway to reset prater suit points 😭 i accedintly spent them on environmental upgrades because i thought you couldn't chose anything else now im crying

[flint flame]

Nope

They do give you a window to rethink your choices, but that’s on you for actually investing the points

[simple vessel]

alright

[simple vessel]

yeah 😭

[young mango]

Hey @strange gale you would know this best, I know bfg tendrils do 300 damage, but how often does that damage happen?

[sturdy kernel]

ice bomb and frag grenade upgrades

[brave shale]

q ondaaa

[young mango]

Fundamentals, preferably hot swapper if you know how to quickswitch

[sturdy kernel]

get a little bit of fundamentals while ur at it

[flint flame]

It’s usually between fast hands or faster dashing

[strange gale]

1 damage instance every 50ish milliseconds

[young mango]

Thanks

[strange gale]

6000 dps to everything the beams can see is not bad

every relevant decl i looked lists a firing interval of "64", it's not specified to be milliseconds but i'm assuming it is

and if it is, for some reason it ends up being 50ms in game instead

yea the number 50 isn't anywhere in the files

but that's what g_debugdamage 2 shows

[faint ingot]

can someone help me out? my game won't launch with video it's like a black screen but clear screen instead

[tacit lodge]

Anyone down to help me get streak skins for slayer.
Will help in return

[jaunty vapor]

It's slightly FPS based

Though tbh most testing has never given a strict "every frame damage happens"

I just know at higher fps, tendrils against Marauders using the same setup become more reliable due to higher dps

[azure oriole]

Thick skin and quick swapping

[young mango]

Well I just got a new pc so I’m hoping during my next speedrun getting a more consistent 250FPS can help me during speedruns

[jaunty vapor]

It absolutely will

Especially since you were doing unrestricted. Lot of stuff in there is highly fps dependent

[flint flame]

Streaks only work in public matches

[young mango]

Yea, I noticed that trying to world spear yeethook with uncapped FPS I peaked at 600FPS or maybe a bit higher because I was facing geometry

And correct me if I’m wrong but are zip boosts frame dependent?

[timid ivy]

Is the icon of sin classed as satin?

[azure oriole]

No

[timid ivy]

Oh ok

[azure oriole]

[jaunty vapor]

Generally yes

[azure oriole]

I wanna master movement on controller and I'm learning very fast

[jaunty vapor]

In fact a lot of zips to actually get said zips, it only works at certain FPS because dashes are also FPS dependent

[strange gale]

🤯

[stone ore]

Off topic but, just beat the Ultrakill demo and I gotta say, it was amazing and I think I lost the will to think properly.

[random vault]

why didnt you just say that in general

[stone ore]

Idk

[random vault]

i’d gladly talk the game in an appropriate channel

[azure oriole]

Will modding ever come to doom eternal? I'm not very active with the fan base so I wouldn't know if it's been talked about before

[young mango]

Moddings already a thing, unless you mean official mod support like Skyrim or something

[azure oriole]

Well of course I mean that, I don't like modding games where it's not supported by devs itself

Makes me feel weird playing it

I wouldn't know anything about the community, out of the years I've been playing doom, I've never been active in any community centered thing, especially modding. I was just curious so when I get a PC I could know if I could mod eternal since it's my favorite doom engine

[quartz dust]

Nah

[strange gale]

the only real difference that makes is the mods you'll find aren't quite on the same scale as official content

[quartz dust]

I'm sorry sir, lovers lab is not supported in eternal's engine

[strange gale]

id is on board with modding, it's just they never implemented an official framework for it

seems like a pretty arbitrary reason not to use mods though

even if there was official support, the bulk of the mods you'd find would be the same as they are now

[random vault]

why does it matter? genuinely curious as i dont see how that changes anything, at best they may be higher quality and very slightly easier to access

[azure oriole]

I don't know, it just feels weird

[median trout]

i just got the unmakyr

and i can confirm

its very good at unmakying things

[midnight sparrow]

Ok now play the whole game

[stone ore]

I would, but I can’t yet

[opaque pelican]

Man, how do I do ultra-nightmare without having my innards becoming outards

[blissful eagle]

cool, just make sure to spare the ammo since it shares ammo with bfg

[blissful eagle]

Learn the levels and get good with core machanics. If you are doing the basic campaign, then I highly suggest doing training in horde mode with the combat shotgun, as that will be your main weapon for a long while. Be sure to strategize your attack plan for each battle arena, as it can go wrong if you don't know about enemy spawns and ammo pickups. When you find sentinel crystals, upgrade health as quick as you can, since you have very little health and can get absolutley munted if you don't have a good amount of health. Plus, make sure to master the combat loop, as it will be one of the biggest parts of playing the game on higher difficulties.

[opaque pelican]

Hm, easier said than done of course, but if I want that gold skin. No other way to get it! Thanks

[blissful eagle]

You could abuse the alt f4 glitch if you need to

[random vault]

thats for scumbags

[opaque pelican]

Nah. I personally of some sort of strict morals of "if that's not how it's supposed to be done. It's cheating"

[blissful eagle]

I know, I'm not that stupid

[median trout]

I used it with cheats enabled on the final sin battle and it was stupidly op

[blissful eagle]

Lol it sure is with enough ammo

[median trout]

def worth the slayer gates (they were rather easy I have 41 extra lives)

[blissful eagle]

If they gave like 90 bfg cells for it, it would be a lot better

[opaque pelican]

Unmaykr kinda underwhelming tbh. Still worth doing the slayer gates for the weapon points tho

[blissful eagle]

Yes

[median trout]

I got all the secrets and everything for the base campaign in hurt me plenty more

[blissful eagle]

That was the difficulty I started on. It was a challenge but it made it easier to learn the game

Now I play un

[median trout]

I am not at all ready for ultra nightmare

[primal estuary]

it hasn't been patched out and it's well known soooooo

[kindred kayak]

yeah im a completionist so thats the only reason i did the slayer gates

[random vault]

i did them because it was fun

[kindred kayak]

yeah and that too

i like when they throw tyrants at you because they're bullet sponges

[opaque pelican]

Super shotgun + ballista go brrr

[kindred kayak]

an underated combo is precision bolt and ballista

great for long range

[blissful eagle]

Bro why are there so many new accounts 💀

[opaque pelican]

It's hard to use precision bolt on console so I use missiles instead

[kindred kayak]

thats fair

[opaque pelican]

Because I just realized they sponsored this server ingame

[kindred kayak]

i used to play on console and I would select ssg and balista and then quick swap

[blissful eagle]

I know that but why are so many people buying the game all of a sudden 💀

[kindred kayak]

because its good

i bought it when it launched on console

[blissful eagle]

It came out like 3 years ago

I got it when it came out but just started to revisit it a while ago

[kindred kayak]

my sister called me cringe because i play doom💀

[blissful eagle]

Destroy her

[kindred kayak]

rip and tear, until it is done

[blissful eagle]

Get the chainsaw

[kindred kayak]

we have one in the garage

[blissful eagle]

[kindred kayak]

[blissful eagle]

Who would win doomguy or emperor of mankind

[kindred kayak]

doomguy cuz ssg

[blissful eagle]

🤣

Bro do you know who emperor of mankind is

Doom slayer would win but still

[kindred kayak]

no i just know doomslayer would win

[blissful eagle]

Lol I guess

[blissful eagle]

Also why does your bio say you are an internet terrorist 💀

[kindred kayak]

its a copy pasta i think idk my friend gave me the message and told me to put it in my bio

[blissful eagle]

That will be my bio now

[kindred kayak]

im playing doom and talking in discord at the same time so sorry if i dont respond

[blissful eagle]

ok

[kindred kayak]

ⓘ This user is suspected of being in an internet-terrorism organization. Please report any suspicious activities.

[blissful eagle]

Lol I have it as my bio now

gonna change a few things now hold up

Done

Super gore nest

[kindred kayak]

for me its mars core during the part where they throw a doom hunter and 2 archies at you

and theres like 15 cacodemons

[blissful eagle]

They spawn like 4 archies in one arena

[kindred kayak]

i know

its hell

literally

[blissful eagle]

They are the chad version of whiplashes and carcasses

They know the nightmare they are about to put you through

world spear is very hard

[vagrant estuary]

Wow I hate cultist base

I don't know why but it feels so fucking long

[winged falcon]

That's Taras Nabad for me

[vagrant estuary]

Which are better for destroying weakpoints precision bolt or sticky bombs?

[midnight sparrow]

Precision Bolt

Pretty sure it also deals extra damage on weak points as well

[crude forge]

Hi

[vagrant estuary]

Hi

[crude forge]

Does anyone know why it won't let me use the rewards I unlock in horde mode?

[vagrant estuary]

What do you mean

[crude forge]

when you enter orea mode there is a section that says "rewards" which you get with points of the same

but once unlocked when I go to the "customize" section they appear with the small icon of an exclamation point but I can't select them for my slayer

[vagrant estuary]

True

Man I starting to feel sorry for the possessed soldiers

[frail turtle]

GUYS

SHE DID IT

(Good morning btw y’all 🌞)

NIGHTMARE MARS CORE MASTER LEVEL DEFEATED

[neat ember]

Why poch

[frail turtle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3023015266

[frail turtle]

Poch?

Honestly insane… Mars Core honestly doesn’t hold a candle to Taras Nabad until you get to a certain checkpoint

[neat ember]

Mars core is the easiest master level in my opinion

[frail turtle]

Namely the second to the last checkpoint for the entire master level… That arena is crazy… I did it in one attempt and honestly I’m pretty sure my blood pressure has shot up

[frail turtle]

Nah, Arc Complex

I was chillin in Arc Complex. It was so fun and perfect.

[jolly igloo]

Doom slayer’s a cool guy, ain’t he?

[frail turtle]

Oh man, the best

You said it brother

[azure oriole]

i tried to teach my dad to play DooM Eternal but it failed horribly because he said the "sensitivity was too high" even though it was at 20.😭

[jolly igloo]

I wonder what games he plays🤔

[azure oriole]

CoD zombies. and such.

[jolly igloo]

O that’s pretty cool

[frail turtle]

He on that Bungie Halo 30 frames lol

[azure oriole]

indeed.

[jolly igloo]

My dad doesn’t play that many games unfortunately.

[azure oriole]

too busy bein' a father. 🦾

[jolly igloo]

He did play plants vs zombies with me when I was a child tho, so that was pretty cool

That’s a good ass game

[azure oriole]

fr.

i liked the 2nd one better though.

[frail turtle]

Dad flex in the chat rn damn

[azure oriole]

y'all beat DooM 1 and 2 on Doom Slayer's comp yet?

[jolly igloo]

No

[median trout]

how hard are the master levels as someone who has done all slayer gates on ‘hurt me plenty’ difficulty

[azure oriole]

i've been trying on my xbox for 5 hours, i can't beat the titan/cyberdemon on EP 2 last mission. 😔

[azure oriole]

Well they are harder for sure

I would put slayer gates on 6 and ml on 8

[median trout]

is it just more super heavy enemies?

[azure oriole]

But IDK what it's like on hurt me plenty

[azure oriole]

idk i finished on ultra violence and i haven't attempted to do the slayer gates. i'm scared i'll break my tv.

You gotta play the game on nightmare boys...

[azure oriole]

i will lose my marbles.

[median trout]

slayer gates aren’t too terrible in my experience as they don’t scale (like if you revisit an old level in order to get the empyrean key it will just be a bunch of mancubi)

[azure oriole]

Whatever you prefer lol

[azure oriole]

but you have to do it without cheat codes so it takes time and i'm not very patient, i'm thinking about doing it later.

any tips?

[median trout]

uh

prioritise the enemies you struggle with the most

[azure oriole]

seems like a good idea.

[median trout]

(Archvile specifically)

[azure oriole]

Honestly if you just want to do the slayer gates, use a trainer and go to the gate, or use noclip

[azure oriole]

ooooof. i use BFG on him cause it sucks using chain gun and others.

BFG or archvile?

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-meme-gif-26171444

[azure oriole]

i'm on xbox.💀

tuff

[median trout]

just blood punch and meat hook him with super shotgun until he staggers

[azure oriole]

i will keep that in mind.

[median trout]

you should really get flaming meat hook if you have a mastery token

[azure oriole]

u need to learn to use your flame belch and grenades more

ngl i never use my BFG.

[azure oriole]

i forget those too much.

I would have guessed

i think the ice bomb is REALLY good but i just forget it because i focus on the bigger things.

[median trout]

also am I supposed to have been given more weapon skins? Because I’m watching a video on all the weapon skins and it says there is a maykr skin for the RPG (which I don’t have)

I did the urdak mission full way through

[azure oriole]

i'm doing ELM mode as a retry for Phobos but it sucks without the stuff you're used to.

[azure oriole]

for like master level?

[median trout]

It says you can get the gold combat shotgun skin for doing super gore nest master level

[azure oriole]

i won't even try.

yeah, but I think it has to be done on nightmare

I can't remember, just check online

ughhh.

[median trout]

I have the lux slayer skin currently equipped

and the hotrod combat shotgun skin

I also don’t really like how many buffing related enemies they add to Ancient gods dlc

like the screecher zombie

[azure oriole]

i have the Doom 2 Classic Marine skin equipped.

[median trout]

the spirit

all of them, like I don’t want harder, buffed enemies, I want just more of the default enemies

[azure oriole]

I'm fully gold, I used to run full hellforged both great sets

YOOOOOO I'M IN THE BETHESDA STORE AND THEY HAVE A FRICKIN SKATE BOARD.

i collect boards. i'm addicted.

it's sold out.

[median trout]

I would try to do ultra nightmare

but uh… I don’t think the full gold skin is worth it

[azure oriole]

It's more about the experience

[jolly igloo]

if you ask me, the Phobos skin is a much better reward since it's a nicer colour combo than just all gold

at least in my opinion

[azure oriole]

Khan Maykr smash or pass?

[jolly igloo]

I’m gonna kill you >:c

[azure oriole]

I cannot be caught giving my honest opinion on that

ruh roh.

i'm gonna say it.

I Karlos S. will definitely and eternally smash and destroy the one and only Khan Maykr herself.

oop. cant say $imp.

https://tenor.com/view/thug-hunter-thugs-thug-shaker-thug-hunter-reaction-gif-25440934

wowza.

[calm dock]

hello gamers

[azure oriole]

hello.

[lilac venture]

When is DOOM Eternal gonna be on Spotify?

[calm dock]

isnt it?

[slow sigil]

No

[calm dock]

or just remixes i think

[edgy ibex]

Could anybody tell me

why i am not able to access the ancient gods part 1 thing

i have gotten doom eternal from ps plus

[slow sigil]

does it contain the dlc

[edgy ibex]

its standard editoon

and only has campaign as add on

[slow sigil]

looks like it's quite clear, it doesn't have the dlc

so you.... don't get the dlc for free

[edgy ibex]

oh

ok

but it says i cant even buy the dlc

[flint flame]

That’s lame

[azure oriole]

Not really, if someone has already done a level and can't be bothered to do it all again just to play the slayer gate what I said is a great option

[flint flame]

Oh sorry, thought you meant noclip into the gate to get the key

[azure oriole]

nope

[jolly igloo]

so there's this thing that's happening called the sonic symphony, which is basically a gigantic live performance of the sonic series' greatest musical hits

i wonder what that would look like for doom🤔

i mean, we had that for doom 2016 but that was only for one game

[ornate flame]

I've been thinking of getting "The Ancient Gods Part 2" DLC for Doom Eternal, as I found the first part quite fun. However, I have heard quite a bit of negative things about the second DLC. Do you guys think it is worth the $20 price tag?

[azure forum]

I'd say wait for a sale. The game goes on sale quite often now. The negative comments are usually tied to the difficulty of the DLC. Besides that, it is great. I'd recommend it 100%.

[slow sigil]

yeah on launch it was..... really not good at all

just don't expect to have as much fun with it cause it's quite a bit easier

[hallow isle]

Sorry to waltz into the convo, but when you say difficulty, do you mean hard or easy? I heard people saying it’s way easier than TAG pt 1

[azure oriole]

Both of them are fun for me, I think they can both be difficult at some areas, but difficulty is objective. For someone a very difficult area might be super easy, so buy it and see for your self... if you dislike it just refund it

@ornate flame

[ornate flame]

Alright, thank you.

[flint flame]

Probably not gonna happen unless it’s Levy or Hulshult. Mick stuff basically ensures he can’t perform his own songs

[flint flame]

Tag2 is great, ppl shit on it cause there’s missed opportunities everywhere, the lore got complicated for no reason, and the forced usage of weapon mods was not that good

But people review bombed the absolute crap out of it at launch

Disregarding how much effort devs put into it during covid

[slow sigil]

just because the devs tried doesn't mean the product is suddenly good

tag2 absolutely deserves the bad rating it got

iirc hugo said something about having to remake most arenas cause they wanted to tone down the difficulty, which is just baffling if it's true

[hallow isle]

Oh damn

[slow sigil]

that means they literally rewrote the lore AND had to remake most encounters DESPITE having to rush it to the extreme

[kindred kayak]

i agree i loved ancient gods and thought that the levels had great design, espacially the meathook grapple points and it added new things like the sentinel hammer

[slow sigil]

wished meathook points didn't force you to jump

[kindred kayak]

wdym

[halcyon wagon]

You can knock his ass out if u pb rocket it can also falter him and cancel out his summons

Can ice bomb and grenade if u wanna make it quicker

[kindred kayak]

or pb and ballista plus ice grenade

pb ballista is great because it moves way fast than the rockets so he cant dodge it as easily

[slow sigil]

at the end of a meathook joint it forces you to jump, completely removing any momentum you made

[halcyon wagon]

Starting final sin wish me luck

[halcyon wagon]

Did it in nightmare and that is free bro how did I struggle before

[grave echo]

Haiii im new to the discord, I just beat Doom eternal on ultra violence.

[kindred kayak]

now do it in nightmare

[grave echo]

bet lmao

my end goal is to beat it in Ultra nightmare

[kindred kayak]

i could never lol

[grave echo]

I started a save in Ultra nightmare and died on the fortress of doom

rip

[kindred kayak]

dam

that sucks sorry about that

[grave echo]

no worries i just gotta get good

I play on pc but I also bought the game shortly when it released on xbox. I love how you can instantly switch between weapons on keyboard.

makes life way easier

[halcyon wagon]

AYYY did it in UN

ugly gold skin unlocked

[halcyon wagon]

Which part?

[grave echo]

in the training area lol

[grave echo]

you're a god

[halcyon wagon]

I've done it b4 on xbox so I had to relearn it

Got both of the dlcs now 😦

[grave echo]

good luck soldier 🫡

[azure oriole]

I actually died on like the first arachnotron fight on UN once lmao...

[halcyon wagon]

Lol I died to an explosive barrel on exultia

Twice to the molten lava spiller on doom hunter base

Wonder what it says what i died to when I look at the helmet

[azure oriole]

lolol it's ok you just need more practice

[halcyon wagon]

Just did it rn

[azure oriole]

Nice well done

[halcyon wagon]

I wanna get into speed running on UN it seems fun

[azure oriole]

I guess it might be

[grave echo]

I watched a speedrun and it looks really really hard lmao

man really mastered the craft lol

[flint flame]

Who

[grave echo]

I think it was Xiae on yt

[flint flame]

Oh cool

[grave echo]

i really recommened it. its very impressive and fun to watch

[random vault]

i mine the craft

[kindred kayak]

facts

[strong orchid]

i usually use the rocket launcher on archvile, gets him destroyed easily, other wise i use the combat or super shotgun, are there any other options allowing to destroy archviles faster (dont say bfg, i dont get to use the bfg on archvile that much)?

[halcyon wagon]

Have you learned quick swapping?

[grave echo]

I use freeze grenade, super punch , super shotgun and balista

[slow sigil]

use precision bolt, swap the moment you shoot to rocket, ballista, or ssg, shoot and swap instantly back

[kindred kayak]

sgg rocket and ballista combo works wonders

[flint flame]

What the

[halcyon wagon]

What

[strong orchid]

yes

[vagrant estuary]

Wow the codex lore for the rocket launcher doesn't make sense

And what does mortally challenged even mean

[daring monolith]

Simple

it means they are challenged mortally

[vagrant estuary]

What

[faint ingot]

They made it way overly edgy

It was cool enough as just a rocket launcher

[vagrant estuary]

Exactly

[faint ingot]

I also don't really like the eternal chaingun shooting magic blue bullets

I like it just being demons vs regular ass guns and the futuristic plasma guns are their own thing

[vagrant estuary]

fr

Also didn't like how they didn't add lore entries for the weapons mods

Really wanna know how the energy shield works and how it's powered up

[faint ingot]

Dang I didn't even notice but yeah

Doom 2016s atmosphere is just unmatched

[strange gale]

why do you say "doesn't make sense" when you mean "i personally don't like it"

saying it "doesn't make sense" is implying the codex entry is somehow incomprehensible or doesn't fit within the world, when neither of those things are true

[slow sigil]

what even is the codex for the gun

[strange gale]

the lore is there in clear (if a bit flowery) english, it's just edgy as shit

[slow sigil]

it's energy, not magic

if you have a gun that just shoots fast but relatively small buttons, you need the extra power

[strange gale]

simple wordplay 🤯

[vagrant estuary]

what

[faint ingot]

All the other chainguns just shot bullets though. I prefer that because it feels and sounds better/heavier than in eternal

[vagrant estuary]

I thought mortally challenged meant something

[faint ingot]

It's like calling short people vertically challenged

[slow sigil]

all the other super shotguns also didn't contain a grappling hook, cause eternal did that bad too

[faint ingot]

What?

[slow sigil]

it's basically demons/possesed ones

[slow sigil]

the eternal ssg is the only one with a grappling hook, that is also unique (like the energy minigun) so it's also bad

[vagrant estuary]

What does mortally mean in that term then

[faint ingot]

My man😐 that's a really dumb argument

[slow sigil]

exactly

"but the other ones where like this!"

[faint ingot]

The meathook doesn't make the ssg feel weaker than it is

The eternal chaingun literally makes a pew pew pew noise

[vagrant estuary]

Just imagine using the meathook in real life

How fun would that be

[kindred kayak]

what are you guys arguing about

[slow sigil]

https://youtu.be/PTU_wH9DTv8?t=28

[faint ingot]

I wish the eternal chaingun shot regular bullets instead of funny blue "energy" bullets because it just feels a bit cartoony

[strange gale]

obligatory repost https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929873339583971399/949673300907425822/jesust3.mp4

[kindred kayak]

doom eternal is supposed to feel arcadey

[slow sigil]

chaingun: is mentioned once
glask:

[faint ingot]

Yeah I just prefer the more grounded weapons especially because the chaingun is meant to feel like a big heavy powerful machine gun

And the heavy cannon it shares ammo with has regular bullets

[kindred kayak]

it still does in doom eternal, especially the mobile turret

[faint ingot]

Yeah mobile turret is cool

[slow sigil]

chaingun is just meant to shoot fast
that's kinda it

[kindred kayak]

facts

[faint ingot]

Yeah. I just kinda wish it felt a little more powerful like in 2016

[kindred kayak]

???

[slow sigil]

well for that the whole game would need to be rebalanced

[faint ingot]

Not necessarily the whole windup thing

[vagrant estuary]

wow the heavy cannon looks so ugly

[faint ingot]

That wouldn't fit the gameplay

[kindred kayak]

?

[kindred kayak]

which one?

[slow sigil]

current chaingun doesn't either tbf
but yeah with windup it would just be funny how bad it would be

[vagrant estuary]

Eternal

[kindred kayak]

how??

[faint ingot]

I love funny shield bash though

[vagrant estuary]

I wish it had a drum magazine instead of that belt fed one

[flint flame]

Challenged with mortality (living), aka they’re dead

[kindred kayak]

in doom 2016 it was also belt fed

[slow sigil]

shield is just disgustingly OP and isn't really relevant to the fact it's a minigun

[vagrant estuary]

I mean

[kindred kayak]

true

[slow sigil]

the whole concept of a minigun just doesn't fit in eternal

[vagrant estuary]

Like

[faint ingot]

Idk what you mean

[vagrant estuary]

nevermind

[slow sigil]

with the whole focus on atleast reguraly swapping your weapons

[kindred kayak]

yeah but its amazing with tyrants

[faint ingot]

There's always a place for the chaingun imo plus it's just too iconic to remove

[slow sigil]

a gun that just fires fast with decent damage is something that goes against that

[faint ingot]

True and hell knights

[strange gale]

it's a giant ammo dump for objectively worse return on investment

[faint ingot]

I've always thought it fit better than the heavy cannon

[slow sigil]

if they made the plasma rifle shot slower they could make the PR replace hc and make chaingun replace pr

[vagrant estuary]

Wish they added lore for the energy shield

[slow sigil]

hc fits more cause atleast it is there to reliably put fodder in gk state

[faint ingot]

Don't nerf the plasma gun 💔

[slow sigil]

it won't be a nerf, it would just be a slight switch in function

where PR is a bit easier to count your shots compared to where it is now

like i said, it would take the spot of hc base fire rn which is to put zombies and ig imps in stagger state

[faint ingot]

I've never had a problem with the plasma rifle

Other than the noise of the og one

[slow sigil]

nothing much wrong with it's basefire rn
it's okay for gargoyles and imps sometimes

but if you make cg replace that small part you can make pr replace hc's part
and then remove hc as we really do not need 3 fast firing weapons in a game that wants you to swap your weapon

[faint ingot]

I always use plasma to stagger fodder anyway

[slow sigil]

if you make cg like pr then you still just have 1 useless weapon

[vagrant estuary]

No

[vagrant estuary]

No

[slow sigil]

wdym "no", if 2 weapons fill an identical niche, 1 WILL be useless

[vagrant estuary]

No

[slow sigil]

that's just simply how it is with design

[faint ingot]

Me personally heavy cannon is my least used gun. I pull it out for micro missiles sometimes on hell knights because they're slightly weaker to it than other heavys and on whiplashes because they're harder to hit

[vagrant estuary]

Yes

[vagrant estuary]

Heavy cannon was never good

Only good with mods

[faint ingot]

I don't think it's bad I just think it's superfluous

[slow sigil]

the base fire is ok for zombies and imps are more of a 50/50
onetapping zombies is quite decent considering how spammed they are

[vagrant estuary]

No

[slow sigil]

well "ok" it's just simple the best thing

[vagrant estuary]

No

[slow sigil]

just saying no with nothing to add doesn't make it true

[vagrant estuary]

No

[faint ingot]

Real ones just ssg zombies for fun

[vagrant estuary]

Exactly

[faint ingot]

And meathook for armor

[vagrant estuary]

Exactly

[vagrant estuary]

Combat shotgun better

[faint ingot]

True

[slow sigil]

csg is for soldiers and groups of fodder via sticky, not for putting anything else in GK mode

[vagrant estuary]

sticky bombs better

[slow sigil]

then we have to mention PB

[flint flame]

You’re not getting what luci is saying

[vagrant estuary]

combat shotgun better

[faint ingot]

If I really need a glory kill on fodder I'm always just using the plasma rifle

[slow sigil]

the basefires of csg, hc, and pr all have a small niche in putting certain fodder in stagger state
cg doesn't have that

[vagrant estuary]

yes

[faint ingot]

What is csg

[vagrant estuary]

Combat shotgun

[faint ingot]

Oh

[slow sigil]

if you actually played the game it's just flatout worse for mecha zombies, reg zombies, and soldiers

[vagrant estuary]

I do play the gane

[faint ingot]

Ahhhh you mad

[vagrant estuary]

Combat shotgun is so satisfying

[faint ingot]

I've got 1000 hours man

[flint flame]

That’s like, not saying a whole lot

[slow sigil]

then you should understand what the term "better" means

[vagrant estuary]

and using the mobile turret on the tyrant is also very satisfying too

[flint flame]

I could have 1000 hours in a game sitting on main menu for 99% of the time

[vagrant estuary]

Using a big on a big target

[slow sigil]

just holding m1 and m2 😴

[vagrant estuary]

*l2 and r2

[strange gale]

1536 dps 🛌

[faint ingot]

Not as fun as just playing the game imo

[vagrant estuary]

what about ut

[strange gale]

mt does no damage, that's what

[faint ingot]

Facts and it feels way better than the 2016 one

[flint flame]

Or just combo using “small weapons” dealing basically the same damage with less ammo consumption and in faster time

[slow sigil]

hey i'm sure it tickled that baron, which is caused by pain receptors

[vagrant estuary]

No

[flint flame]

Sticky bomb is better than on hit explode self damage charged shot

[faint ingot]

I'm talking about base fire

[flint flame]

We’re using base fire???

[slow sigil]

csg ingame is a glorified grenade launcher

[slow sigil]

it's unironically pretty decent for singular soldiers

[flint flame]

Yeah

[vagrant estuary]

Yes

[vagrant estuary]

CSG can stagger folders at medium range

[slow sigil]

meanwhile tripple shot would be better in eternal

[flint flame]

Hell on earth strats

[vagrant estuary]

That's why it's better

[slow sigil]

the range is too finicky compared to infinite range hc 2 taps

[flint flame]

Inconsistently*

[vagrant estuary]

CSG 1 Taps

[slow sigil]

and you're talking about just imps and gargoyles, the 2 tinnest fodder pieces

[vagrant estuary]

And soldiers too

[vagrant estuary]

No

[slow sigil]

yes soldiers are the 1 decent one to use it on
the other 2 are a bit too randomly and finicky with range

[vagrant estuary]

No

[flint flame]

Bro really has no response to criticism

[slow sigil]

no

[vagrant estuary]

no

[flint flame]

no

[vagrant estuary]

Combat shotgun is better

[sterile basin]

Perhaps I'm invading this Convo a bit, but I highly doubt one would actually manage to stay 990+ hours on a game without doing anything on it.

||Unless it was a joke, in which case I apologize 💀||

[slow sigil]

i mean if we are talking that csg is better, then there is still the issue of pr and cg being shit

[vagrant estuary]

What's cg

[slow sigil]

hc base fire for putting certain fodder into gk state

[slow sigil]

chaingun

[vagrant estuary]

Chaingun bullet sponge on tyrant

[slow sigil]

the basefire is actually garbage

[flint flame]

Yeah you’re right, but bro came in saying he has 1k hours as support that he’s right, but fails to acknowledge that we’ve got people who’ve done the research into the optimal strategies.

[slow sigil]

it just tries to make sure your near infinite amount of pb shots aren't infinite anymore

[vagrant estuary]

Wow tyrants are fun to kill

[midnight sparrow]

I usually start off with a base fire csg blast then soften the target up with the hc. Use them together you know? That whole mechanic of “use everything at your disposal all the time”. That thing that Hugo kept talking about.

[slow sigil]

meh they are just boring
big HP piles that don't do a whole lot in combat

[vagrant estuary]

No

[flint flame]

Yes

[slow sigil]

fodder is too fragile for that to be viable for any of them
the time it takes to switch is too long compared to just shooting again with hc

[vagrant estuary]

and barons are fun to kill too

[vagrant estuary]

No

[slow sigil]

and if you're talking heavies you have stronger guns to bring those down fast

[flint flame]

Yes

[vagrant estuary]

No

[flint flame]

Aim at their chest and that shouldn’t be a problem

[midnight sparrow]

For me on a new Nightmare save file it’s viable enough for me in the early levels before I get better upgrades.

[slow sigil]

i don;t think the headshot multiplier intervenes with gargoyles or imps while using hc

[slow sigil]

then it's just better to sticky spam or pb spam

[strange gale]

heavy cannon staggers an imp with 2 bullets or in about 150 milliseconds, it's slightly slower but way more reliable than a shotgun with random spread

[sterile basin]

"no"

Nah fr though, I think he simply wanted to say that he has at least some experience with the game. Perhaps he doesn't really want to play optimal strategies, but I could be wrong

[vagrant estuary]

No

[slow sigil]

or multiblast but like then you have to remember to actually use pr lol

[strange gale]

the difference between 1 tap and a 150ms delay isn't relevant outside tool assisted speedrunning anyway

[slow sigil]

but if they don't care about being optimal why be in a talk that is about optimal strategies?
you can like things that are suboptimal, but don't defend them as equal choises

[vagrant estuary]

Doom eternal

[strange gale]

"1000 hours" means nothing if you're going to say things that are observably and measurably wrong

[midnight sparrow]

Sometimes in the middle of combat I just straight up forget I have stickies or PB. Doesn’t happen a ton but I usually on use stickies on a small cluster of fodder or on 1 heavy. Soldiers are kinda tanky but sometimes I need the gk so then hitting them with a csg base fire shot then with hc base fire works fine

[sterile basin]

That I agree with

[strange gale]

hc staggers an imp faster than pr, only by about 21ms but still

[azure oriole]

It's been Many hours now n I still don't have the lux skin's

[vagrant estuary]

lux skins aren't worth it

[sterile basin]

True I suppose, it then kinda sounds like a silly excuse

[sturdy kernel]

I notice that sometimes a carcass dies when I shoot it with a point blank ssg but sometimes it dosent, and sometimes a revenant is put instantly into a glory kill state with a single ssg shot but sometimes it dosent, why is that?

[vagrant estuary]

Because the game isn't updated

[slow sigil]

random spread

[vagrant estuary]

The unmakyr sucks

[slow sigil]

shocker

[vagrant estuary]

it's not a shocker when I got it I genuinely thought it would be good

[azure oriole]

Besides the point I opted in to notifications n stuff n joined the slayer club I Expect my stuff lol

[vagrant estuary]

Oh shit the slayers club

When you said that I remembered it's going through something

[slow sigil]

no but in context of now, years after game release

[azure oriole]

Bruh me n my dumb Luck uuuuggghhhhhhh

[strange gale]

yknow you can stop lying anytime you want, it's because of random spread causing some ssg pellets to miss

[vagrant estuary]

Unmakyr stilk bad

Sort of good for the icon of sin

[azure oriole]

Thanks for letting me I'll just be patient

[slow sigil]

it's not, bfg is better

wipes the arena AND straight up removes 1 part of his armour/body

[vagrant estuary]

What is happening to the slayers club Dom eternal is my life

[slow sigil]

meanwhile the unmaykr has reduced damage against the icon for....reasons

[azure oriole]

Lol

[vagrant estuary]

No

[sterile basin]

Not good enough, update game pls (!!!!)

[vagrant estuary]

I need ideas

Arbalest sucks

[slow sigil]

lol, lmfao

dblade is amazing, ballista itself is fairly great on range

[vagrant estuary]

I only use it for the pain elementals

[vagrant estuary]

No

D blade is so fun

mobile turret is also fun

Micro missiles suck

[slow sigil]

mm are better then mt if you get the damage boost

and even then they still suck cause just like mt and fa they just are bad

[vagrant estuary]

Whats mt and fa

[slow sigil]

mobile turret
full auto

[vagrant estuary]

Mobile turret is so fun

[jolly kernel]

precision bolt

[vagrant estuary]

And what does bullet sponge mean

[slow sigil]

its literally identical to mm except you need to think less and it's a bit worse

[vagrant estuary]

No

[jolly kernel]

you know a weapon mod is that good when you use it more often than the weapon's base firing mode

[vagrant estuary]

mobile turret

[slow sigil]

or that the gun is poorly designed

[vagrant estuary]

Exactly like the icon of sin lvl

[slow sigil]

level design is wildly different to gun design

[vagrant estuary]

Icon of sin boss fight felt rushed

[slow sigil]

atleast it was more arena like then half the other bosses

[vagrant estuary]

arena like lol

[vagrant estuary]

No

[jolly kernel]

even with the mods, I still find the plasma gun and chaingun to be useless

[slow sigil]

shield is stupidly OP unless you play perfectly

[vagrant estuary]

Plasma gun on shields

[slow sigil]

hell even then, shieldbashing

[vagrant estuary]

*cg shield is stupidly op with combos

[slow sigil]

most shields it's better to find a way around

[slow sigil]

no? you don't combo with the shield

[jolly kernel]

id really made the Spirits just so the plasma gun can have actual use

[vagrant estuary]

I like to use cg shield on tyrant with flame belch and ice bomb or the frag

[slow sigil]

and unlike stimps it actually works cause noone uses heatblast

[vagrant estuary]

Better at front is quick

[vagrant estuary]

I use heatblase lol

[slow sigil]

those aren't the same as your other weapons
also they are all quite wastefull except for flame cause shieldbashing hardfalters

[vagrant estuary]

No

[slow sigil]

noone that cares about playing well*

[vagrant estuary]

Heatblast > microwave beam

[jolly kernel]

I don't think an enemy that mostly exists just to give a rarely used weapon/weapon mod an actual use is a good enemy design

[slow sigil]

it's not

[vagrant estuary]

[slow sigil]

but spirit get's a "pass" cause noone uses it anyways and i do find it a bit more interesting then normal shooting

[vagrant estuary]

Sprouts are the only demons I use microwave on

[azure oriole]

gold bounty lord grenade launcher has a glitch

[vagrant estuary]

Heatblast is better

Shield > mobile turret

[azure oriole]

obviously, it's like a cheat code

[slow sigil]

well yeah mobile turret is one of the 3 worst mods whilst shield is one of the strongest

[vagrant estuary]

No

[azure oriole]

blocked

[vagrant estuary]

No

[azure oriole]

yes actually

[vagrant estuary]

No

[sterile basin]

What does the mobile turret even do apart from having more (at least spread out) barrels? More dmg?

[vagrant estuary]

Ammo chewer

[slow sigil]

it shoots multiple bullets at the same time, but iut does technically soft falter a lil bit faster
but enough to actually make it worthwhile though

MT only does "more dps" but it's dps is quite bad, and if it was good the game would be much, MUCH more boring

[vagrant estuary]

*fun

[slow sigil]

how is it fun

[vagrant estuary]

because it's so fun to use on tyrants

[slow sigil]

it's less interaction then regular swaps for worse dps aswell

[atomic hamlet]

[slow sigil]

because? how is it "more fun" to do less and get less

it has even less interaction then a cod shooter where there is the small thought of aiming vs hipfiring

[vagrant estuary]

because it looks cool and its more fun

[azure oriole]

Fix the golden bounty lord suit @devs

[sterile basin]

Ah, I see. iut?

[vagrant estuary]

No

[slow sigil]

i find a giant shotgun and a sniper much more cooler then "see it's a blurry gun cause it's spinning"

[atomic hamlet]

Sup

[vagrant estuary]

yes

[sterile basin]

Funny spinning guns are honestly also pretty cool imo, not sure how they are used in the game though

[slow sigil]

quite poorly
for eternal it's fodder softening, and if they aren't they are badly designed

[sterile basin]

I'd say that it just wants to give the player different options for different playstyles?
Unless there are more profound reasons you believe they are badly designed

[slow sigil]

because the whole game wants you to more reguraly swap weapons
a weapon that just "shoots fast" with decent dps means you have no reason to swap off of it except if it's empty or there are no actually threatening enemies. which is way more boring then what eternal actually wants.
furthermore it also just traps players in a bad mindset. if you want to have them swap often you want to make weaponmods which guide them towards it, not let them play badly adn then pass it off as a "playstyle"

[sterile basin]

Ah, I see, makes much more sense now. It definitely is lazy if that's the case. Do you have any weapon mod ideas that would incentivize a kind of playing style where swapping your arsenal around is mainly used?

[slow sigil]

honestly i would just straight up axe 1 of the fast firing guns

3 is excessive and the cg main fire already doesn't have a use

then i'd swap out FA for a triple shot like 2016, but with the last shot having an effect of sorts if it kills ig
just make heatblast precharge slowly

the others not sure

[sterile basin]

I suppose that is from the mt weapon mod, right?
Also FA?

[slow sigil]

full auto

[slow sigil]

oh no straight up the main gun itself

either chaingun or heavy cannon, and then rebalance the others as needed

[sterile basin]

Oh, my bad. Still though, I think your proposals make sense. The triple shot one definitely sounds... interesting, are you sure it wouldn't be op though? (Unless damage is reduced further Ig)

[slow sigil]

combat shotgun does 320 damage if ALL it's bullets hit
super shotgun does 1600

so 960 damage spread out over 3 independent shots compared to 1600 for 2 instant shots
if anything it is too weak, which could be "fixed" by that last shot bonus meaning combos that end perfectly with it would be quite rewarding

[sterile basin]

Oh. Yeah it'd definitely benefit from 1 or 2 extra shots then

[slow sigil]

just making it shoot more won't fix the fact that ssg is also much more ammo efficient (and stickies too ofc)

plus quickswapping ssg

[atomic hamlet]

Y’all play doom?

[sterile basin]

I mean, it kinda makes sense? I haven't played doom Eternal, which is why I'm asking so many questions without trying to appear as someone knowledgeable, so I could be wrong. Having that said, aren't they both similar weapons anyway, so they kinda fill the same niche like you said?

[zealous mulch]

Wrong channel mb

[sterile basin]

?

[zealous mulch]

I do

[slow sigil]

no cause ssg does big damage, whilst regular combat shotgun is more for just fodder

[atomic hamlet]

Nice

[sterile basin]

Ah, I see

Wouldn't the triple shot also make the combat shotgun quite similar to the ssg though? Or not because of ammo efficiency?

[slow sigil]

that's why i want it to do something unique on the last shot

[solid sky]

Hey fellows, may you help me with a mission? I think I encountered a bug.

Mission ARC Complex, objective GET SAMUEL HAYDEN
sub-objective: FIRE THE EAST TURRET.
I am in front of a door that won't open even tho I killed all enemies in the area.
https://i.imgur.com/fJlNKw5.jpeg
this is the door

[halcyon wagon]

Reload checkpoint

[solid sky]

YES it worked

[ruby scaffold]

Hey

Does anyone know of the Ultra Nightmare Speedrunner absolute massive?

[fallen heart]

ong

[solid sky]

Damn the Marauder is wrecking me.

[ruby scaffold]

Your 1st time fighting it?

[young mango]

Yea he holds the 100% UN record

[ruby scaffold]

Yea

You know how to replicate his movement?

[young mango]

What do you mean

[brave bobcat]

The marauders are a pain

[ruby scaffold]

Look at his Hell on earth. He goes at Mach 5 while jumping. Which is impossible for me To do lol

[young mango]

Haven’t seen the speedrun myself but he’s most likely using a free scroll macro

[ruby scaffold]

Maybe I'm just trying to be quick

Cause I don't like wasting time doing stuff

[young mango]

https://github.com/bowsr/DESRU/releases/tag/1.6.0

heres the application speedrunners use for the freescroll macro

[ruby scaffold]

😦 I'm Xbox lol

[young mango]

oh damn

[ruby scaffold]

Doesn't matter. Atleast I can skip toy animations and stuff

[fallen heart]

its a bunny hop, gotta practice timing

of your jump input

[ruby scaffold]

Ye ik its just that he goes quicker than usual

[young mango]

mad respect for the people bhopping manually

[fallen heart]

cause hes playing on double the frames

which is a huge part of both timing of inputs and result speed/distance he gets

[ruby scaffold]

Like me

If you want to skip toy animations and such then swap weapon mod right before you walk into the secret. Same can be done with sentinal batteries

Also use the dot reticle because it's quite good.

[slow sigil]

Or just swap weapons

[ruby scaffold]

Or shoot and melee at same time

[tame topaz]

acquire proficiency. HB is amazing.

[slow sigil]

Once per arena usually, or tge few times you can maybe charge it per arena

[tame topaz]

??? I spam the shit out of it for free mob clearing + restacking

it's singlehandedly the strongest weapon you have against heavies in early game. especially if you use the tech to multiply the dmg output

[flint flame]

Sticky bomb does the exact same thing but with less setup

[tame topaz]

microbeam is completely useless in comparison

[tame topaz]

the shotgun doesn't build up damage over time and takes up shells per shot

HB is free damage

[flint flame]

Like as if heatblast is remotely ammo efficient

[tame topaz]

you only crutch on memebeam if you can't control your target

[flint flame]

It’s not a crutch if you’re actively shooting yourself in the foot

[tame topaz]

... that's the definition of a crutch my guy
just play better and learn to maximize DMG output and you won't need to tap memebeam

[flint flame]

“Play better”

I’ve long since beaten everything at the game my guy

[tame topaz]

wanna know how I know you don't play custom maps

[flint flame]

Unless your name is Tammie or glask I’m not listening to your “maximizing damage output” rant

[tame topaz]

when you advocate for memebeam

[flint flame]

Who said anything about advocating meme beam???

[tame topaz]

no need to rant, HB is just superior

[flint flame]

They’re both shit dawg

[flint flame]

Also, oooo shiver me Timbers

[tame topaz]

how is free chip damage shit

[slow sigil]

You know that pr base fire is genuine dogshit right

[flint flame]

I don’t play custom maps therefore I’m bad oooooooo

[vale pebble]

Use the ammo for ballista

[flint flame]

Man grow up

[tame topaz]

I have plenty left over for ballista

[sterile basin]

If you haven't completed Kaiser campaign on ultra nightmare then you lack skill!!!

[sterile basin]

Fair enough, pretty cool ideas tbh

[vale pebble]

Me who touches grass 💀

[tame topaz]

it's good for single targets, HB makes it so you can delete trash mobs with ease and not have to waste ammo
I use it pretty liberally to finish off targets and the mastery makes quick work of heavies

[vale pebble]

Grenade or sticky bombs

[flint flame]

We found him, under the Mayo 2

Evil Under the Mayo

[slow sigil]

????
Have you ever shot any other gun?? Pr base fire is bad. Like really bad

[tame topaz]

I'm not wasting ammo or grenades on mobs
I save nades for stuns

[flint flame]

Yet you use pr base fire 🤣

[slow sigil]

Ik that you use pr and therefore may not know but sheer damage falters too