doom-eternal

[slow sigil]

theres 20 seconds inbetween chainsaws so if you can it's never that bad to use

[rancid condor]

Nvm

[azure oriole]

I thought it’s obvious why telling the big bad devil guy the information that immortality for his people is possible only through tormenting and harvesting innocent souls can be seen as dangerous! (Assuming that’s the case) Simple stuff.

[slow sigil]

that's not what they asked??

it was ONLY "why is the secret of immortality dangerous?"
which, it wasnt

[azure oriole]

You’re just being dense on purpose now it’s not literally a memetic hazard that kills you once you know it

“Dangerous” can mean something different in context lol. I don’t know if that’s actually the case in lore but that’s how I saw it anyways.

[slow sigil]

maybe if the question was then actually properly worded instead of "why is X dangerous"

[azure oriole]

No I think you just have poor reading comprehension

[slow sigil]

ah yes, "poor reading comprehension"
against an at best poorly worded question

ofc I am in the wrong because that's what you want me to be

[azure oriole]

Yeah you’re saying a simple and straightforward question is worded poorly as an excuse. It’s worded fine you just took it way too literally.

[slow sigil]

unless it is actually clear there is a gap in a sentence, i dont like bringing up random other points

[azure oriole]

Conversation was going fine until you got passive aggressive about it

[slow sigil]

in #doom-eternal
"guys why is the plasma gun so bad"
"wdym it was fine in 2016"

[slow sigil]

it was fine untill you liked to be an ass and say "why are you always like this"

[azure oriole]

It’s a genuine question

[slow sigil]

it sounds wayy more like just a mocking

[azure oriole]

I asked what you were exactly disagreeing with and you then left a passive aggressive reply instead of actually answering which is par for the course lol.

[slow sigil]

it's so painfully obvious though, do i need to spell that out

"it's not dangerous"
"what are you arguing about"

[azure oriole]

I was hoping you’d elaborate on your point, because I didn’t pick up that you just didn’t understand what dangerous meant in this context

[azure oriole]

Anyways cool lore video https://youtu.be/rDvfh9rnJwE

[steep niche]

How do I get the Classic Marine skin?

[young mango]

You unlock it in the fortress of doom, it’s yellow and red variants however are unlocked via you owning classic doom and having a bethesda account linked between them

[steep niche]

Is there also a way to make him hold the weapon the same way he’d done in the original?

Or was that from a mod?

[primal estuary]

it's in the options menu

[steep niche]

Thank you very much mate

[primal estuary]

:)

[steep niche]

Oh I thankfully have the Yellow Marine skin

[steep niche]

This is making the game much more enjoyable

[sweet bridge]

Would be cool if you had the marine skin, classic weapon position, and the classic sound pack on it would change the weapons that were in doom I and II to sprites from their respective game

[steep niche]

Where do I get the original sound pack?

[sweet bridge]

sadly that's for deluxe edition only

[steep niche]

Darn

[gritty mauve]

Why did the subreddit go private?

[steep niche]

Hey are there any mods that switch the weapon models to the originals?

[proper swan]

probably

[jaunty vapor]

A lot of subreddits went private to protest recent financial decisions from reddit higher ups that are more or less detrimental.

There's a bit more to it but that's the tldr

[rotund haven]

FINALLY

I DID IT

I GOT GOLDEN SLAYER

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[young mango]

Nice!

[random vault]

reddit blackout protest cuz reddit ruined most 3rd party api programs with price changes, it should end either tomorrow or the 16th

[proper swan]

[torpid carbon]

Doom 2016 is my favorite FPS game. I’ve played it many times, and now I’m downloading Doom Eternal. I am kinda worried about it, going in because the gameplay footage of it that I have seen makes me go “WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON”

[glossy warren]

It has a much more cartoony vibe than 2016's biblical and darker atmosphere

But it's still a very good game, much more fast paced than 2016

[pliant garnet]

Hey hi hello I never ever text here
Just wan say I finished TAG2 on ultra nightmare
Originally did it deathless ELM-nightmare, got mad over it, went to ultra nightmare and did it for real

[torpid carbon]

I don’t recall Doom 2016 having the bible in it

Plus it was already pretty cartoony, with the over-the-top glory kills and stuff

Where was there a bible in 2016?

[torpid carbon]

That might be a problem. 2016 was already very fast paced and i thought the pace was pretty much perfect

[turbid jetty]

what do you mean where was the 2016 bible?

they said 2016 had a biblical and darker atmosphere

never said anything about there being a physical bible

[torpid carbon]

Ok i’m unsure what they mean by biblical atmosphere. I didn’t read the bible and never will

[turbid jetty]

well you know what hell is

there, biblical

they just mean biblical atmosphere because hell in 2016 is very consistently a barren firery wasteland

whereas Eternal has more variety in its depiction of hell

which deviates from more traditional portrayals of hell

and also all of the demonic ritual imagery in 2016

[torpid carbon]

Well actually one of the Hell levels is more has more stone than fiery aesthetic but yeah i see what you mean

[torpid carbon]

Like what? Are you talking about that star thing?

[turbid jetty]

the fact that the demons were summoned through demonic rituals

demonic posession

iirc there's a big hall with pews in it where Olivia sacrificed people

or at least an area where there was sacrificial rituals

and the star is a pentagram

typically when performing a demonic ritual you trap the demon by having a pentragram on the floor or the ceiling and it can't leave

[quartz shadow]

(moving my reaction stuff here uhhh uhhh)
whyyyy does the assault rifle sound so weak in this game

[turbid jetty]

because they went more for a punchy sound as opposed to a high pitched sound

[modern citrus]

who up doomin they eternal?

[modern citrus]

I kinda noticed that too, I like it somewhat

[proper swan]

[modern citrus]

see you get it

[random vault]

biblical, as in similar to or resembling the bible’s stories or depictions

[torpid carbon]

Helluva Boss reference? Or those animated nsfw vids by tabuley?

[turbid jetty]

Of course not

[random vault]

why did your mind immediately go to nsfw, a pentagram is a very common demonic symbol, like what the actual heck

[torpid carbon]

Anyway so eternal has a weaker atmosphere? Aight. What aspects of the gameplay do i need to be super worried about in comparison to doom 2016?

[turbid jetty]

Anything to do with hell comes back to biblical themes

[torpid carbon]

Look if you need me to send you the actual shit i was thinking of, DM me. I’m not sending it here on what i assume to be a sfw server

[random vault]

technically it could be traced back to older religions that first depicted a place of punishment for sinners ☝️🤓

[turbid jetty]

True

[torpid carbon]

I’m too sleepy for this shit lmfao

[random vault]

bro i dont want you to send me corn, why, again why is that your first thought what the fuck

[turbid jetty]

Helluva boss didn't invent the pentagram, it's a very old symbol

[torpid carbon]

Of course not. That show started long after doom 2016 was released iirc

Also i think that symbol might have been drawn on a few of the teleportation pads in Doom 1 but i could be misremembering

[uneven turtle]

in a fight with a marauder amongst other enemies, what should i prioritize?

[proper swan]

id probably isolate the marauder if possible

maybe take down cumbersome enemies beforehand if you need to do so

[uneven turtle]

ok

i just find it really difficult to dodge the marauder whilst taking care of other heavies

[proper swan]

that’s true so don’t forget to utilize your tools because even the tiniest ones are very handy

[uneven turtle]

like what?

[young mango]

It depends, but in most case you’ll want to ignore the marauder so you can concentrate on him more, if however you’re only dealing with melee enemies like hellknights and pinkies, prioritize the marauder, he’s faster and he’ll gain distance from them

[uneven turtle]

that's really helpful, thank you

[jaunty dew]

Kill every heavy but the Marauder, then kill the Marauder :troll_:

[azure oriole]

kill the marauder first

[tight charm]

does anyone know if ps4 players can play with ps5 players in battlemode?

[novel token]

yes, the BM pool is combined with both PS4 & PS5

[vivid nest]

carcass > tyrant, marauder, baron of hell, icon of sin

[jaunty dew]

Nah. Icon of Sin = Carcass, because Icon of Sin spawns Carcass

[torpid carbon]

Is there anything about the gameplay in Eternal that i need to be worried about, going in?

[slow sigil]

Only that you maybe wont like it and instead of saying "well this game wasnt to my liking" swearing by that the game was bad

[tight charm]

ty

[jaunty dew]

Yeah, Carcasses

[torpid carbon]

Whats that

[jaunty dew]

Okay but on a serious note, the first thing is gonna be a perceptive jolt from what gameplay loop you expect

[vivid nest]

a carcass beats icon of sin, so ios is summoning his grave

[jaunty dew]

I began playing DOOM Eternal on one of the easier difficulties and I knew that moving around and using everything at your disposal is important and I still died a shit ton of times because if you're green, your mistakes will indeed be mean

[novel valley]

Do you prioritize Carcass, Cyberdemon or Archvile real talk

[vivid nest]

that rhymed

[vivid nest]

archvile, carcass, cyberdemon

[torpid carbon]

Well it’s a sequel to 2016 right? So it should be similar to that, with a simple yet satisfying gameplay loop of running around the arenas to avoid attacks, using your weapons to deal the pain, using glory kills to heal, and switching between your weapons for ammo management, occasionally pulling out the chainsaw or bfg

[torpid carbon]

Green?

[novel valley]

New

[jaunty dew]

As someone who got reverse culture shocked going from Eternal to 2016, you're sorta wrong on a bunch of points there

[torpid carbon]

Thats one hell of a typo if thats what they meant, holy shit 🤣

[jaunty dew]

First up, the Chainsaw is not occassional. It is anything but occasional. It is mandatory

[vivid nest]

in 2016 u dont use the chainsaw that much

[torpid carbon]

In 2016?

[jaunty dew]

I mean Eternal

[novel valley]

Bruh it's a saying, AFAIK english ain't my first language

[slow sigil]

Well i mean, if you look at just that almost yes

[torpid carbon]

Well yeah you use it when you’re low on ammo

[vivid nest]

cause u can get 50 ammo for a shotgun

[vivid nest]

barely fr fr

[jaunty dew]

Green comes from Greenhorn, which means newcomer/newbie whatev

[vivid nest]

but in eternal, u get 24, FOR MAX UPGRADES. TWENTY FOUR

[slow sigil]

I mean with 50 you might aswell make ammo not a mechanic

[novel valley]

Eternal chainsaw is a must, I barely switch between 2/3 weapons at all if I got good chainsaw value

[jaunty dew]

I meant that the chainsaw is mandatory in Eternal lol

[torpid carbon]

Or if there’s a strong enemy you don’t want to deal with. It’s useful in the early game against shielded possessed soldiers before you get the gauss cannon

[vivid nest]

the chainsaw becomes the best weapon

[slow sigil]

What's the point of ammo if in practice you do nothing to keep it topped

[vivid nest]

thats why the fodder demons are called walking ammo supplies

[slow sigil]

It's not really a weapon, it's just your reloading button

[vivid nest]

pretty much but with a killing mechanic

[novel valley]

Sometimes I do feel like I run out of chainsaw charges, but it helps me actually switch weapons for once until I can chainsaw someone and hop back to SSG

[slow sigil]

You mean ssg*

[jaunty dew]

The second thing is, DOOM Eternal plays like a kid on a sugar rush except they're injected with stimulants and now they're running around the living room making it a mess

[slow sigil]

Dblade against shield zombies is more something you use if you have it out
Regular bal never

[vivid nest]

what about 2016

is it if a adult did the same thing

[novel valley]

True, Eternal is just a floridian on crack fighting the swamp

[jaunty dew]

Kid on a sugar rush but without the stimulants based on what I'm doing (I went from Eternal to 2016 not vice versa lmao)

[vivid nest]

oh ok

idk why they made eternal much easier compared to 2016

[novel valley]

I heard 2016 is less balanced though

[slow sigil]

It's less just bullshit

[novel valley]

Never played it, want to

[vivid nest]

the runes are better

[slow sigil]

Being oneshotted by a random imp or just falling is stupid

[vivid nest]

the game HATES you

and that cursed lost soul scream in ultra nightmare can give u nightmares for weeks

[slow sigil]

Also, 2016 is meant to be played in UV
Eternal is meant to be done in NM

[jaunty dew]

The other thing about Eternal is that you're gonna love it or hate it based on how you respond to the game advancing its intended playstyle on you

[novel valley]

I played Eternal on HMP tbh and it was the most fun I've had in a while

[vivid nest]

mancubus has a shield, so u shoot the stomach to deal more damage

[torpid carbon]

?

[vivid nest]

ssg standing for super shotgun

and pinky is fucking annoying

the game doesnt tell u the weak point unless u played eternal
the weak point is the tail

[novel valley]

Ohhh and 16 has no dash

[jaunty dew]

Also 2016's OST is more well-known compared to Eternal but that's a fairly minor difference

[vivid nest]

theres no blood punch, climbing, dash, crucible, regenerate chainsaw, meathook and much more

also they use the lost soul more in 2016 so theres that

[novel valley]

I mean TOTTFIY and BFG are pretty even

[jaunty dew]

Yeah these suck so much ass

[vivid nest]

whats tottfiy

[novel valley]

No meathook???

[jaunty dew]

I got Reverse shocked as I said

[vivid nest]

falling out the map instantly kills u
and a imp can kill u.

[vivid nest]

mhm
its just the super shotgun, no mods
but the mastery is 10x better

[novel valley]

The Only Thing They Fear Is You

I will give 16 a try ngl

[vivid nest]

u can shoot TWICE before reloading
and got it

[torpid carbon]

I thought it did. Huh

[jaunty dew]

Yeah but the disparity apart from that is wild, look at how popular SGN/CB is compared to, say, Rip and Tear/At Doom's Gate

[vivid nest]

eternal is more helpful and forgiving
unless i just played uv and there is help points in lower diifcults

[novel valley]

True

[torpid carbon]

The super shotgun? No? You shoot once but every shot consumes two ammo

[vivid nest]

falling just makes u lose 20

[vivid nest]

no i mean the mastery, u can shoot twice before reloading if u have the mastery

[torpid carbon]

Oh

[jaunty dew]

Hell it's popular to the point it's easy to think that Mick Gordon's 4 yo 2016 OST videos are Eternal OSTs

[torpid carbon]

Well either way the ssg is a decent option in 2016

But the other weapons are no slouches either

[vivid nest]

yeah its pretty good, no meathook so ow

[torpid carbon]

What’s a meathook

(I haven’t played eternal yet. Still downloading)

[jaunty dew]

The meathook is singlehandedly the best thing to exist

[vivid nest]

something u will understand when u get the ssg in eternal

[vivid nest]

the supershotgun just magically grows a hand and goes to them whilst choking the demons (not literally)

[jaunty dew]

Trust me you'll become meathook addict like me in due time

[torpid carbon]

Also i’ve heard that there’s a sword weapon in eternal that is one hit kill in the same game as the chainsaw. Are they literally just the same thing except one gives you ammo and the other one doesn’t?

[vivid nest]

i did, i didnt bypass the mastery challenge

[vivid nest]

the chainsaw cant kill certain enemies
the sword can but is more rare, think of it as a melee bfg

[jaunty dew]

No, the chainsaw recharges over time and it cannot slice extremely large demons

[vivid nest]

the bfg
dont need to explain it

[torpid carbon]

So i can’t kill mancubuses or barons of hell with it anymore?

[torpid carbon]

Is it the same in eternal as it was in 2016?

[vivid nest]

no u can kill
but enemies like cyberdemon and doomhunter, marauder cant

[jaunty dew]

Welcome to DOOM Eternal. You kill them using the rest of your guns

[vivid nest]

mhm, but if it collides with anything it explodes

[jaunty dew]

You can chainsaw fodder and some heavy demons

[torpid carbon]

Well of course you can’t kill the cyberdemon with a chainsaw. It’s a boss fight lol

[vivid nest]

u can chainsaw every heavy demon, expect super heavy

[torpid carbon]

You can’t chainsaw the cyberdemon even in 2016

[jaunty dew]

And trust me when I say that fodder is fucking everywhere in Eternal

[vivid nest]

nope…
the cyberdemon is a normal level enemy now.

[torpid carbon]

You’re joking 💀

[vivid nest]

I AM FUCKING NOT JOKING

[torpid carbon]

It’s a fun boss but that shit would not work as a regular enemy wtf

[jaunty dew]

Well it's not exactly a Cyberdemon per se

[vivid nest]

it isnt exactly a cyberdemon

well it is, but just with a few changes

[novel valley]

Cyberdemon is normal enemy, but they are walking punching bags to my experience

[torpid carbon]

Wait it’s the one that shoots rockets and shockwaves and stuff and makes walls in 2016 right?

[vivid nest]

they are more easy then a carcass still

[vivid nest]

no it just kinda shoots rockets now

[novel valley]

It was a boss in 2016

[torpid carbon]

Ok

[vivid nest]

baron of hell looks cooler but is the same

[novel valley]

It rockets, does an occasional melee from time to time, and a terrible stomp

[vivid nest]

hell knight has two version, a dread knight, more health and it can shoot

[torpid carbon]

So like the episode 2 boss in doom 1?

[vivid nest]

pretty much

[jaunty dew]

Hell Knights are easy in Eternal

[vivid nest]

refer to this

[novel valley]

In terms of big boy, sick looking demons you have HK, DK, Baron, and Cyber

[jaunty dew]

Atleast on UV

[vivid nest]

fighting a hell knight in 2016 for the first time tho

[novel valley]

Both Knights are hella easy in Eternal imo

[torpid carbon]

Hell knights are tricky in 2016 if you’re not careful, especially with that aoe attack (i play it on hurt me plenty)

[vivid nest]

also the chainsaw has 3 ammo now
but fodder and heavy are 1/3 ammo now

hell knights are hard in un.

[novel valley]

Heavies are 3 Ammo, 2 ammo doesn't do much imo

[vivid nest]

2 doesnt serve any purpose

[jaunty dew]

So by extension they're hard in regular nightmare too

[vivid nest]

its just extra fodder ammo

[vivid nest]

yep, un just gives u fear

[novel valley]

3 ammo is fun time

[vivid nest]

“i finally beat that archvile, now i fight the enem-“
the enemies the archvile have spawned:

[jaunty dew]

And that's good, because it means less tedium. If it's 1, oh fodder. If it's 3, oh heavy. But if a demon were to require 2 it would break a gameplay loop or two

[vivid nest]

i gave all the numbers name
1: “fodder hunter”
2: “the median”
3: “CARCASS KILLER”

[novel valley]

I love it on Mancubi/Revenants

Carcass deserves it more tho fuck carcass

[vivid nest]

CARCASS IS HARDER THEN TYRANT IM NOT JOKING I HAVE NO STRUGGLE WITH TYRANT BUT CARCASS RUINS ME

[novel valley]

Carcass has cam shaking and keepout while Cyber doesnt

The good thing is that Meathook + well aimed SSG shot sometimes instakills Carc

Also off topic but Doom Hunter Base has amazing ambience music

[rotund haven]

Carcass is the worst enemy for me, let me do my glory kill on that tyrant you dumb frick

[slow sigil]

Or just bal headshot them, or dblade on 1 charge, or BP

[vivid nest]

idk how gauss cannon cant destroy a shield, but a few shots of blue spheres can do it

chaingun is the ssg of heavy rifle, gauss cannon is the ssg of plasma, super DEE duper shotgun is the ssg of super shotgun
big fucking gun 10000 is the ssg of bfg 9000

[slow sigil]

Because otherwise PR has no use

[vivid nest]

whats pr yes im stupid

[slow sigil]

Plasma rifle

[vivid nest]

oh k

[vivid nest]

its the worst gun, other then the pistol, yes theres a pistol in eternal

[slow sigil]

Noone counts the pistol as it isnt a real weapon

[vivid nest]

ik but i thought i should give it some thought

great fodder killer

[slow sigil]

Not really, csg and pb would still do it better

[vivid nest]

true true but if pistol got its own ammo, there is its use

someone will try to beat eternal with pistol

[slow sigil]

You can beat it without shooting at all

[vivid nest]

mhm

but makes it extremely hard, especially icon of sin and gladiator

[slow sigil]

Biggest hurdle was HelLOE from what i remembered

[vivid nest]

omg the pain elementals are gonna be a pain 💀💀

[strange gale]

a summoning arch gets shut down by two pb shots though

[vivid nest]

whats pb

wait precision bolt

[azure oriole]

saw a youtube short
the chainsaw chain is actually installed in the wrong direction in doom eternal

which makes it harder to cut
requiring more strength

[thorny adder]

doom eternal felt really short

how much content will the dlcs give me?

[jaunty vapor]

About tree fiddy

[azure oriole]

another campaign worth

[torpid carbon]

So i’ve heard that in Doom Eternal, you can have an enemy both freeze and burn at the same time, while it doesn’t take damage from either one of those things, plus you regular melee attack deals no damage, meaning that i won’t just be able to quickly hit the melee button twice to kill a possessed to save ammo, meaning that my anmo supply will drain faster which is especially a problem due to the artificial decrease in ammo capacity for all of your weapons compared to 2016. Is this accurate?

[wraith siren]

Yeah, actually it is

Eternal is way more extreme than 2016

[torpid carbon]

Alright already i’m anticipating that this game will be really messy and not nearly as good as the simple yet pretty deep elegance of 2016.

[wraith siren]

No, it’s actually the best in the series, exactly because how hard but fun and satisfying it is

But 2016 is still the goat

[torpid carbon]

Somehow i doubt that, as 2016 is my favorite FPS game, but i’ll try Eternal and see for myself

[wraith siren]

Oh, I see… I knew someone that thought same way, and he didn’t like eternal because of the fact that you play it completely differently than 2016

[torpid carbon]

Well if you want, i can stream Eternal and maybe you can see what i’m doing wrong lol

[wraith siren]

But hey, at least you have your own opinions that are respectable (unless you don’t like the soundtrack)

[wraith siren]

That would be nice, yeah

[torpid carbon]

Alright i’ll let you know when i start

[azure oriole]

i had a different view before trying eternal dlcs

now tag 1 and 2 are my favorite doom games

[torpid carbon]

Ah

[azure oriole]

its almost addictivr

[torpid carbon]

So is 2016

I just replayed it twice in a row after all

[torpid carbon]

Ok i was gonna say I'm ready but I can't find the vc 💀

This server has a vc right???

[azure oriole]

no got nuked

[torpid carbon]

why

[azure oriole]

people misbehaving

[torpid carbon]

Well how am i supposed to stream on this server then

[azure oriole]

you can't

[torpid carbon]

wow

[scenic bobcat]

If I were to play doom games in a order that is correct for lore, can I just play 2016 then eternal or do I have to add in doom 1 and 2?

[azure oriole]

If you’re playing the games in chronological order then you start with Doom 1

[young mango]

It would go 1, 2, 64, 2016, Eternal, with doom 3 being optional since it’s in a different dimension

[azure oriole]

wow a point blank ssg can put rev into gk state

[azure oriole]

start from the og

[scenic bobcat]

Is 64 needed?

[azure oriole]

Yeah

[scenic bobcat]

Kk

[azure oriole]

If you’re really trying to stick to the series “narrative”

[scenic bobcat]

ye

[slow sigil]

there isnt any real narrative that connects to newdoom though fyi

[azure oriole]

Yeah

[midnight sparrow]

It’s really just all stuff established after the fact that’s the “connection”

[torpid carbon]

Well since there’s no vc in the server, would you like to vc in a DM?

Also i’m going I’m Too Young To Die for my first playthrough, despite playing 2016 on Hurt Me Plenty

[calm garden]

bro wanted to play lore slayer 🗿

[torpid carbon]

?

[primal estuary]

don't do that dude

they can play on any difficulty they want

[calm garden]

I was just joking god

[torpid carbon]

It’s my first time playing eternal

[calm garden]

I was just messing, no one cares about what difficulty you play on, as long as you are having fun

Fun is key

[azure oriole]

actually tho

what difficulty is the lore

Ultra nightmare

[calm garden]

negative im too young to die but the quanity of nightmare’s demons probablu

[torpid carbon]

I played the first level of Doom Eternal. It’s not bad so far.

[slow sigil]

it only gets better, HellOE is a toturial level

[torpid carbon]

Anyway my brother is playing on my pc now so the rest of the game will have to wait lol

[uneven turtle]

feels like a slap in the face on un

[torpid carbon]

Also three weapon upgrade bots in one level? That’s pretty good 👌

[slow sigil]

yeah it's so annoying having to replay the early levels cause of how sluggish they feel lol

[torpid carbon]

It’s like that in 2016 too, to an extent

[uneven turtle]

yeah

ive gotten to cultist base a total of 2 times in un, with about 20 total runs

[primal estuary]

ultra nightmare is definitely not worth it imo

[slow sigil]

i mean if you really want to it "is"

[uneven turtle]

i kinda enjoy it

[torpid carbon]

Even then it’s not that bad in 2016, as you get grenades early on, with which you can kill a group of possessed quickly, with an imp or two sometimes. Foes move too quickly in eternal for that, it seems

[slow sigil]

if you force yourself to do it it's bad

[uneven turtle]

not as much as master levels though

[primal estuary]

master levels were more fun from the ones i played

[slow sigil]

you dont use nade for damage in eternal usually

[torpid carbon]

I was never gonna play that dw

[primal estuary]

i like challenges but ultra nightmare is too much, i have a skill issue

[torpid carbon]

What do you use it for

[slow sigil]

falters

[uneven turtle]

i like the difficulty coming from the demons, not your toolset

[torpid carbon]

Whats that

[slow sigil]

i mean it's not hard because it's actually hard but because its just annoying

[uneven turtle]

which is why i dislike horde mode

[slow sigil]

stuns

[uneven turtle]

it's why hell knights and dread knights are weak to chaingun

[torpid carbon]

Oh also the sticky grenade on the shotgun is pretty cool. Insta-kill for the possessed soldiers and its implementation gives them an excuse to put cacodemons in the first level, which in any other game would have been a terrible idea

Also i noticed that the possessed and possessed soldiers in 2016 and Eternal almost look like humans lol

[slow sigil]

hmmm i wonder why

[torpid carbon]

Idk I didn’t pay attention to the story

[uneven turtle]

no idea

maybe we should ask nekravol

[slow sigil]

i dont think inlore those soldiers have went through the nekravol process yet

[uneven turtle]

oh

[azure oriole]

the soldiers are possessed anyway

[torpid carbon]

Also i only just recently went online to learn the actual names of Doom 2016 enemies. For the longest time, i couldn’t identify what the AoE attacker (hell knight), big fat dudes (mancubus), those flying skeleton things with jetpacks and missiles (revenant), the gray and red dude that shoots lasers (hell razer), or the teleporting asshole who yells and shoots the red crap with a warning (summoner) were called

[uneven turtle]

codex?

[torpid carbon]

I said 2016 not eternal

[uneven turtle]

both have codexes

[torpid carbon]

Huh. Oh well ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[primal estuary]

oh just you wait until you meet the archvile

[azure oriole]

seriously

[uneven turtle]

you're not missing much, 2016 doesn't have the weakness system like eternal, so it's basically just lore

[torpid carbon]

Actually it does! Shooting foes in the head does more damage, except for the pinky, whose weakness is its tail

[uneven turtle]

that's the single exception

i meant the demon specific weaknesses

[primal estuary]

the demon destruction system in eternal is probably one of the best additions in the whole franchise

[torpid carbon]

That being said, that brain thing with the weakness on the small turret is pretty annoying. It’s a small target in a game where you have to be on the move

[uneven turtle]

an optional target

[torpid carbon]

The game literally tells you to shoot it there

[uneven turtle]

the flesh tearing when you damage them, or the weaknesses?

[azure oriole]

funnily enough i never hit weak points in eternal
unless it's tag 2

[uneven turtle]

tag 2 weak points are incredibly forced

[slow sigil]

apart from the revenant i might aswell do it anyways for the falter

[uneven turtle]

armored barons and the dumbass stone imps

[azure oriole]

yes

[slow sigil]

stimps dont have weak points

[uneven turtle]

oh and the maykr things

the bloody ones

[azure oriole]

yep

[uneven turtle]

i hate those guys

[azure oriole]

they're kinda deadly up close so better to get rid of them right away

and their ranged attack kills all your momentum

[slow sigil]

i relaly like bmaykrs, basically the marauder but done well for arena fights
i can understand people with bad aim having trouble with them though

[uneven turtle]

which sucks when your aim is ass like mine

[uneven turtle]

exactly lmao

[azure oriole]

that is exactly how i died at the samur fight on un
i am still salty about that

console players dont have to worry about bad aim

"aim assist strength: 100%"

[uneven turtle]

i cannot play on console after experiencing the glory of pc

[charred trail]

Is PC really that good

[uneven turtle]

imo, yes

[azure oriole]

no question

[charred trail]

I honestly prefer controller just because it's comfortable and convenient

[slow sigil]

outside of gaming, the amount of things you can do on pc rather easily is staggering

[eternal raven]

Anyone know where I can get the ancient gods (any part) for cheaper than the steam price? Or, at the very least, does anyone have a date for any sales which may include the 2 DLCs?

[azure oriole]

steam summer sale
june 29

[azure oriole]

Yeah

You’re limiting your gaming options so much on consoles it’s nuts

Love playing games from all eras and PC gaming is perfect for that

[echo gale]

Good morning Vietnam

[echo gale]

I stand with console cuz im not killing my fingers just to move wasd

[azure oriole]

bro it doesnt take energy to use wasd

[echo gale]

Ik im not used to pc

At least I can actually move on console

[jaunty vapor]

2 things:

1. KB/m definitely gets easier to use the more you use it and is generally always better for fps games. Buuuut...

2. You can still use a controller ON a PC, while still being able to do things such as mods and the like (also better graphics depending on hardware)

I get every console while also owning a PC, and honestly at this point I can't fathom why someone wouldn't just get a nice PC if the only hangup would be controller.

And if you wanna get REAL fancy you could get something like the Azeron Cyborg, get the best of both worlds (joystick movement but multiple keybinds while also being general ergonomic)

[lunar sonnet]

i only played doom eternal for a little bit but now i am constantly hearing 'Rip and Tear"

[gritty mauve]

How do I get the icon of sin collectible?

[azure oriole]

Get all other toys

[lunar sonnet]

is it bad that i am exploring and fighting at the same time?

also why no memes?

[azure oriole]

Who cares

[jaunty vapor]

!memes

Damn I guess only mods can use that.

[jaunty vapor]

#general message

[icy ice]

Is the blood punch cancel tech only done using quick weapon swap?

Idk if it's a timing thing or if it's just not possible without quick swap

[vivid nest]

i imagine that the divinity machine that gave doomguy powers just gave him the power to look up and down, instead of left and right lmao

[young mango]

Well punchswapping is a form of quick switching, but even though you don’t HAVE to go fast, you can have a fairly slow metronome and it won’t matter, and again is shoot, melee, and before the melee ends you press your weapon key again, then shoot, and you can chain this

I could’ve also misinterpreted what you said, in reference to blood punch cancelling, the closest thing to that is blood punch magnetism being able to override the ssgs winddown

[azure oriole]

well fuck

kaiser campaign is still unfinished...

[young mango]

Hey apricorum I’ve seen you in mdsr quite a bit

[uneven turtle]

welcome

[rancid condor]

🤦‍♂️ I forgot a slayer gate and now I gotta do the mission all over again

[uneven turtle]

L

which gate

[rancid condor]

Cultist

Actually wasn’t that bad

I just put the hardness level to east

Easy

[uneven turtle]

wowwwwww

smh

[azure oriole]

Yo

Glad you noticed. I'm working around a way to speedrun the game and enjoy it at the same time, and it is working for now

[azure oriole]

Wait for lvl 5

[rancid condor]

Wdym wow

Not gonna waste energy on a mission I already did

[uneven turtle]

personally, i loved the feeling i got when i beat a slayer gate on-level

[young mango]

Your Kaiser routing is fairly good although I would save the hammer for the marauder so you can full auto one cycle him

Thankfully later in the same level you get the heavy cannon which is funny because with punchswapping you can one cycle a marauder just by spamming pb

[azure oriole]

Actually i'm gonna tell you a secret. If you shoot behind yourself at the spawn of the campaign, you get a HC with PB installed on it, if you do the first arena becomes a joke. Also thanks for the advice!

[young mango]

Oh cool then free one cycle

Then yea your routings golden

[rancid condor]

No im not doing slayer gate on easy

Only the grinding through the level until I get to the slayer gate

[azure oriole]

While playing the kaiser campaign I also managed to learn bats for rockey launcher and SB, I need to figure out how to do it with consistency while moving around at mach 5

[young mango]

Well hey if you have tech you need to learn you can discuss it with me then because I’ve pretty much perfected the majority of it

[azure oriole]

[young mango]

My method for learning how to move while punchswapping and such is just practice bunnyhopping simultaneously, and if done enough it feels harder to pull off standing still than moving

[uneven turtle]

ohhh, good idea

[young mango]

Because the jumping and such actually acts as a buffer to prevent you from going too fast, from what I’ve experienced

[azure oriole]

Any ultra nightmare tips?

[dull herald]

don't overthink it- that's probably the best tip anyone could give

[azure oriole]

Track your enemies

If you know where they are you can get a better positioning

Well i don't have that big of a brain memory but for me the first levels are the hardest.

The mid ones are easy since you have almost full arsenal

[dull herald]

thats not just for you only

thats just factual, it IS the hardest in the first few levels

[azure oriole]

The final ones are the truly challenging

[dull herald]

ehhh cultist base is the hardest level

[azure oriole]

Consider you can always rely on skips for HoE

[dull herald]

the final fights blend together and its sorta easy

[azure oriole]

True

My pb is cultist base

[azure oriole]

I do ofc

[dull herald]

welllll cb is the hardest theoretically since you don't really have the super shotgun and mancubi are sorta a pain sooo keep trying

[azure oriole]

True

The mancubi did spawn kill me 1 time before

He was spawned right behind me

[undone tapir]

hey, I just got a menu background called champion how did i get it?

[wild latch]

dont know

[frail grove]

recently got the gam eon pc as it was on a mega special, love the hell out of it lol, so much fun trying to get sued to the game on keyboard and mouse

[fair tangle]

Doomyternal

[torpid carbon]

I played another level of Doom Eternal. I got the flame thrower thing and the dash, as well as the plasma rifle. Idk if i’m going to be able to adjust to using the flame thrower for shield points. In 2016, there’s a rune you can unlock that makes glory kills drop shield in addition to health. Here, you need to set some foes on fire and shoot them in order to get shield. It’s weird, and it’ll be hard to even think to do that when there’s so much shit going on that i already have to juggle. Also i’m not sure how i feel about the blood punch. It seems to be a decently strong attack and all, but the regular melee does nothing, which doesn’t help when my strategy for certain smaller foes in 2016 is to do a combination of shooting and meleeing if they get really close, meaning my muscle memory with that has me doing an attack that does jack shit, or wasting an attack i could have saved for a hell knight or arachnotron or something

I think they should have kept the regular melee the way it was and then mapped blood punch to a different button

[frigid lynx]

Eternal is to hard
Change my mind

[torpid carbon]

Well i’m playing on i’m too young to die and the difficulty so far is about on par with doom 2016 on hurt me plenty so yeah probably

[uneven turtle]

saying it's too hard just means you're not willing to put in the time to understand the mechanics, and master the doom dance

[hushed agate]

You just have to use your flame thrower when its ready to use

Don’t wait for a good moment just keep using it and get used to using it

Same with the grenades and blood punch as well

[uneven turtle]

yeah

[hushed agate]

Eventually you’ll get used to using them at really good times / for weaknesses

[torpid carbon]

No, it just means you’ve played easier games that are more fun (like presumably doom 2016)

[torpid carbon]

Noted

[hushed agate]

But it’s good to always use the flame thrower when its up so you have armor. You can even have armor pellets sitting on the ground to pick up later

[uneven turtle]

fun is obviously subjective, but that's not the topic

[hushed agate]

And when you upgrade the ice bomb eventually enemies will drop health from it

[torpid carbon]

So i just use it when there’s any enemy in fromt of me and my armor isn’t full

[hushed agate]

And you’ll get more upgrades for your character in lots of ways you’ll see you’ll make it

[torpid carbon]

Yes this entire thing was subjective. That is correct

[hushed agate]

When you get back to your castle/home in between levels and you have 4 batteries make sure to use them on the Sentinal Crystals first. They’re one the lower floor

loot magnet is really good and I like to get the one that reduces flame belch cooldown next

[uneven turtle]

yes, that's true, but my point's still valid

[hushed agate]

Once you have more weapons you’ll be able to quick swap more as well

[uneven turtle]

personally i go belch cooldown first, but there's no wrong way to go

[hushed agate]

Going belch cooldown first is good because it gets you used to the proper cooldown earlier

[torpid carbon]

So what are your thoughts on what i said about blood punch?

[hushed agate]

For blood punch

[uneven turtle]

im so used to the "proper" cooldown that normal feels insanely slow

[hushed agate]

Use it on any monster thats worth using it on basically and if you keep doing glory kills you’ll get blood punches a lot

SPOILERS**. DONT READ IF YOU DONT WANT ITEM SPOILERS *** eventually you get upgrades to blood punch and it’s really good

[torpid carbon]

And what i said about it should have been mapped to a different button than normal melee, which should have still done damage like in 2016

[uneven turtle]

punch-only challenge not possible

quick dash cooldown is the first suit upgrade you get, im not changing my mind

[hushed agate]

Yeah I use controller and could almost use another button or two even with the paddles

Quick dash then quick swap

Then it’s very flexible

Do but you can do a shotgun only challenge

Wait… maybe not? Cause of ammo

[uneven turtle]

you'd just have to tango around the arena a ton waiting for chainsaw pip cooldown

icon would suck so bad

[primal estuary]

You're gonna have a lot of mixed feelings about eternal if you come into it right after 2016. They're really really different games, but once you get the hang of your own play style in eternal you'll be having a blast of fun

Stuff like lack of ammo, punches doing nothing and the extreme amount of demons will make you go crazy for a while probably, but you'll get your own strategies down fairly quickly

The flamethrower and grenades are also some of your best tools available

[torpid carbon]

Grenades seem to be not as useful here as they were in 2016 from what i can tell, given how much faster enemies move around

Like you’re not just gonna have a cluster of possessed in Eternal, as least i haven’t encountered one like that

[hushed agate]

I haven’t played Doom 2016 yet. I started with Doom 1 and Doom 2 on my nintendo switch and I loved them so much that I got Doom Eternal on it. I loved that so much that I bought an xbox series s mostly for Doom Eternal at higher fps and got a controller with paddles. I would love to try doom 2016 but can’t afford it at the time

I think doom 2016 will be fun

[azure forum]

The elite controller is game changer

[jaunty dew]

Not as hard as you think it is

Not exactly easy either

[torpid carbon]

It’s my favorite FPS game. Highly recommend ^ω^

Also i didn’t know Doom 1 and 2 got ported to Switch. I know 2016 is on Switch tho. Thats actually how i first played it before i bought it on pc

[primal estuary]

You'll see their usefulness with the upgrades. Things become gradually more and more useful.

[torpid carbon]

That being said, the shotgun’s sticky grenades are really useful, taking out possessed soldiers in one hit and providing a decent excuse to put cacodemons in the first level, something that would have been completely inexcusable in any other game

Plus, they do some damage to surrounding foes too

Oh btw that one platforming section is literally Bowser’s Castle themed lmao

I was not expecting that from this game but i am not complaining because it’s pretty cool and also funny

[azure oriole]

learn precision bolt + sticky bomb combo

it is really high damage output before you get rocket launcher

[jaunty dew]

It is to be noted that Precision Bolt teaches you how to fucking aim lmao

[azure oriole]

not really lmao.
quickscoping is way easier than just opening the scope and taking aim

[slow sigil]

You aim it identically to every other non projectile weapon

And most of those you aim the same aswell

[azure oriole]

SB bats is addictive

Same for rocket launcher

pew boom pew boom

[jaunty dew]

I'm starting to like Remote Detonate and I'm confounded

[azure oriole]

You should discard it unless you play for fun

LoB is just better

The only reason you should use RD is for massive aoe CC

[jaunty dew]

Frag/Freeze does that too right

[azure oriole]

https://youtu.be/1-BZ7v6UCXg

[jaunty dew]

Well atleast freeze, I mostly use Frag to fill green bar

[azure oriole]

You can't freeze marauders tho

Also for granades you need the suit power up

[jaunty dew]

How many Praetor points does the whole wheel cost

[azure oriole]

I should be 5 4 4 3 3 times 2 for granades

Then 4 2 2 1 for agility and 1 1 2 2 2 and 1 2 2 2 2

[jaunty dew]

Around 70 to be safe then
Holy fuck does the game even give you that many tokens

[azure oriole]

Unless i remember wrongly you can take off 7 points

But yeah you get a lot of points

[waxen hatch]

if you're collecting everything first time you play a level you can get the last suit upgrades in Nekravol (part 2)

[shut moat]

@jaunty dew , Make sure you try and complete every level challenge for each stage, there are 3 challenges per level and each challenge gives you one predator suit point so you get an extra 3 for each level when you complete the challenges, It also gives you 1 sentianl battery

[tawny hound]

Hello. I am looking for a player for online trophies in battlemode. We need one person

[terse geode]

I'll help

I also need someone to help

[tropic smelt]

is the unmaker worth getting ?

soo far i only got 1 empyrean key

[vivid nest]

isnt that worth it, unless u like it

[tropic smelt]

ig im gonna have to see how it works on youtube

also i love how this game has soo many details in common with other legendary franchises like half life or wolfenstein

ig it goes way back to the old days

hm okay unmaker looks fun to shoot with

[vivid nest]

it uses bfg ammo

its like a better plasma gun

[azure oriole]

It deals less dps than LoB so no

Like, you can use it for fun but bfg will outperform in dps

Though, with 30 bullets of unmaykr you kill a superheavy if i remember correctly

[jaunty dew]

The plasma gun is already a bit weird tbh

I almost never use it nowadays

[azure oriole]

Plasma gun is used for 2 reasons, keep enemies steady and precharge it for 1 cycle combos

It is very useful actually

Just shoot during walks and then use it as a start

[slow sigil]

yeah but a singular SH isnt an issue

[azure oriole]

I know

It's just funny to point it out

The way to make it actually useful is make the projectiles pierce through enemies and bounce on walls

[icy ice]

So I'm using a controller and I'm only able to swap between two weapons so I don't have access to pull up a specific weapon. It would be nice to do this on controller but oh well

[icy ice]

Check for an update. Act 3 released back in March

[slow sigil]

you can use weaponwheel for it, you can quickswap via weapon wheel kinda, and there are hotkeys on controller

[dusky marlin]

Morning everyone

What mod is honestly the best for Combat Shotgun? Bc I normally use Automatic unless I have to change

[azure oriole]

Full auto is shit

unless you wanna be stylish

[azure oriole]

Full auto early game until you get rocket launcher for killing heavies, sticky bomb if you want a mid range combo

[dusky marlin]

Much appreciated lol

[azure oriole]

😉

Also you can do something called bats with sticky bombs which you can't with full auto, is extremely satisfying

[pine wren]

Imagine if doom guy goes leg day. How much weight could he press on leg press?

[torpid carbon]

I'm still rather baffled by the fact that I can't stream Doom games on a Doom server lol

[scenic bobcat]

Is it allowed to ask someone for steam cards on doom eternal steam?

[torpid carbon]

Idk, but i do know that there’s supposed to be a summer sale on june 29

[acoustic lark]

what do you mean steam cards?!

[scenic bobcat]

Steam trading cards

[acoustic lark]

No. Either earn them or buy them off the steam market.

[vestal harbor]

The game turns dark all of a sudden ! anyone got a fix for that ? am using a gtx 1080

sorry for asking a question right after joining the server :c

[torpid carbon]

Where in the hubworld do you spend sentinel batteries

Nvm i found it

[vagrant estuary]

The full auto mod looks ugly as shit

[azure oriole]

When did it happen?

Because it happens to me as well when i change window

[turbid jetty]

when is the subreddit gonna unlock?

[flint flame]

When the mod bot fiasco ends (probably not for a while)

[turbid jetty]

damn, so Doom's one of those ones that's gonna stick it out huh?

[flint flame]

?????

[turbid jetty]

a lot of subreddits that locked only did so for 2 days, and they've unlocked now

but some stayed locked and are doing so till the whole thing ends

so Doom must be one of them

although I didn't think it was a bot fiasco I thought it locked because Reddit is increasing the price of their source code which is causing a lot of third party apps to shut down

[torpid carbon]

I unironically used made burning icicles earlier. It was a couple of imps i think. Maybe they were possessed. Either way, easy shield points

[primal delta]

I'm very close to beating Doom Eternal now

And I feel powerful

[azure oriole]

i was referencing under the mayo

[left ridge]

The crucible is cool

I just got it and I love it

[azure oriole]

Not in the early game tho

[sonic gull]

i need help bro

god damn battlemode achievements bro

[vivid nest]

no it looks pretty cool
its shit when using it

its literally the same as the shotgun, just shoots faster

[slow sigil]

You aren't forced to do them dw

[sonic gull]

yeah but im going for 100%

[slow sigil]

You already 100%ed the game

Just ignore BM as not being part of it

[sonic gull]

ig

im still going for that god damn all achievements on steam bro

[slow sigil]

And if you get people to do your achievment you didn't achieve it either

[sonic gull]

even if it takes hours

[slow sigil]

But y

[sonic gull]

cuz i love 100% games even achievements

[slow sigil]

Then why not just do the achievments normally

[sonic gull]

well i mean i dont want to really waste hours on a gamemode i kinda dont like

[slow sigil]

Then.... don't play it?

Even if you would do it this way... you wouldn't actually avhieve them

[sonic gull]

oh i dont care about actually getting them fair

just want that 100% to add to my steam collection of 100% games

[slow sigil]

Might aswell download a steam achievment unlocker

[sonic gull]

hm i could do that but im still gonna try to get it fair

if i dont get it after like 100 hours lets say then yeah i would prob just do that tbh

[slow sigil]

I mean it's the same

In both you didn't actually achieve them
1 just saves time

[sonic gull]

ig

[rustic bobcat]

How do I get zombie slayer

[calm reef]

EEEEEE

[gritty mauve]

What level has the most Cacodemon?

[azure oriole]

mars core i think

[lyric isle]

guys i found a really weird glitch on my UN run
i think last i played, i had to close

so i just put my playstation in rest mode

then my brother played some vanguard yesterday

and today i decided to play UN again, but when i launched the save

it saved in the area where i was at last (HOE in the area where you need to unlock the subway place)

but i had no guns, no ammo, couldnt double jump, couldnt use my fist to attack, and couldnt gk

i saved a video so i will upload it later

[azure oriole]

that happens if you die

and then alt f4

or close gam3

[lyric isle]

interesting

guess thats like, a forced soft lock for those who think doing that wont delete the save?

[azure oriole]

yep probably an anti cheat measure

[lyric isle]

neat

[azure oriole]

because if you dont die and alt f4 or close game you will be put back at last checkpoint on un

[lyric isle]

that is exactly what i did
so i guess it does it when you do that too

[azure oriole]

probably
havent tested that

tho when i want to leave in urgency and playing un
doing that saves my game

ive had it corrupt the save once tho

[lyric isle]

dang

[azure oriole]

ye just finish the level and then leave lol

[lyric isle]

k

[lyric isle]

question
if you manage to load a corrupted doom eternal save

will it look something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yepfLD8G3dQ&t=133s&pp=ygUbY29ycnVwdGVkIHNhdmUgZG9vbSBldGVybmFs

[azure oriole]

it wont look black like this instead in eternal you will have no dash or weapons
or it wont load in the first place

[lyric isle]

so the map would still load?

[azure oriole]

yes
that is what ive had happen to me

youll still take damage and die

[lyric isle]

Interesting

[candid crane]

Just Beat Ultra Nightmare my pain is finally over

[knotty harbor]

Possible to turn off the irritating clicking sound on the settings menu when scrolling?

[slow sigil]

turn off sounds

[knotty harbor]

Haha, but I want to keep sounds;))

[charred trail]

weep

[slow sigil]

turn it on afterwords again

[knotty harbor]

So in other words, it is not possible

[slow sigil]

it is, just put off sounds whilst using settings

[knotty harbor]

How come my fps goes from 123 to 32 fps. Like every 10th second or so, I get laggy

[scenic bobcat]

Hey! I tried playing doom on ultra graphics with 220 fps average. But the day later, it can barely even run 40! Why?

God its like 16

I did update my windows today, might be the reason.

[unborn trail]

I heard doom eternal is hard, and I want to get into it but I'm confused on what difficulty I should set it on.

What's best for a player who likes to play doom I and II in ultra-violence (And nightmare on occasions)
(Also likes to play brutal doom on ultra-violence and nightmare and is quite seasoned)

And how hard is eternal and 2016 compared to the classic/older doom games?

[scenic bobcat]

Honestly, I am not a big fan of shooting games. I play on normal mode and it seems pretty balanced for me

[narrow oyster]

their gameplay is very different, difficulty doesn't really transfer over

[unborn trail]

Well from personal experience which one did you struggle on more?

[slow sigil]

If you are fairly decent in FPS, i'd say UV

[narrow oyster]

i played both on UV to start with, but i'd started with 2016 and eternal

the good thing is you can tweak the difficulty as you wish; i'd start with UV, and adjust to hurt me plenty or nightmare depending on how you find it

[unborn trail]

So I'm guessing its quite balanced I guess, I think I'm ready starting with UV and maybe tweaking to nightmare or hurt me plenty depending on struggle

[slow sigil]

Probs not NM

[unborn trail]

Is it much more difficult than lets say Doom II's NM?

I know gameplay wise its different though and there's definetely a learning curve

[narrow oyster]

it's more due to the change in arenas

[unborn trail]

Ah that's interesting

[narrow oyster]

the types of demons and quantity in some arenas on the first few levels makes adjusting to doom eternal take a little time, which is hard to do if you start on nightmare

[slow sigil]

It's more balanced iirc

[unborn trail]

So I guess enemies are more well placed? Unlike you know Doom II where some parts of the level had little demons and some just are just filled with a room of them?

[slow sigil]

Eternal is more meant to be played on NM whereas the earlier games are mostly planned around UV

[unborn trail]

I see, I see.

[scenic bobcat]

Could someone please help me out? I can barely even play the game at 16 🙏

[slow sigil]

If you're starting out definitely dont play on it though lol

[narrow oyster]

as soon as you've gone a few rounds with the doom eternal demons, it gets easier and easier to handle them, until you increase the difficulty which introduces more challenge

nightmare basically punishes you more for mistakes, rather than making enemies tougher or some other form of artificial difficulty

[unborn trail]

Maybe background apps? Things as simple as the photo app really slows down my PC if its running in the background, you'd think it doesn't matter when its a simple app but for me it changes alot.

[unborn trail]

And I'm guessing Doom Eternal relies on auto-saving instead of the classic quicksave method?

[narrow oyster]

yup

you'll get notified when you reach a checkpoint, but they aren't very far between each other

[scenic bobcat]

No not at all

[unborn trail]

I think I like that, I always found quicksaving at a bad moment annoying lol

[scenic bobcat]

went from 220 fps ultra graphics all the way to 16 in 1 day

[unborn trail]

Could you maybe describe the punishments?

[unborn trail]

Clear all background apps, restart PC if you haven't, see if you have a virus running

[narrow oyster]

demons are more aggressive, so if you don't move well, you'll get slapped with faster and harder attacks

[slow sigil]

Checkpoints are much better then infinite manual saves anyways

[slow sigil]

Getting hit/dying

[scenic bobcat]

Ight ill do a lil checkup on my pc. MIGHT be the windows update I had today though.

Virus scanning + manual scanning
uninstalling driver + reinstalling

• way too many pc restarts lmao

[unborn trail]

How about Lost souls? I hate those guys

[slow sigil]

Reduced to nearly nothing

[narrow oyster]

in eternal they are a lot less of a threat as you have many more options to deal with them

[unborn trail]

Yeah I always find it annoying scrolling through my hundreds of save files to find a certain/recent one lol

[unborn trail]

Oh thank god, that matters alot to me since nearly all my deaths are caused by these guys.

I'm guessing their hitboxes wouldn't be as large as the originals?

[narrow oyster]

their hitbox is relative to their size

[unborn trail]

Do pinkies still block movement?

[slow sigil]

Lots has changed.... just play the game man

[unborn trail]

Sorry prepping for tommorow, my friend wanted me to play eternal because he has it and he knows I'm good at the originals

So his testing me lol

[scenic bobcat]

Idk what it did, but it worked. Tysm @unborn trail

[slow sigil]

They're different games so eh it doesnt entirely translate well

[narrow oyster]

don't sweat dying a few times, enjoy it for what it is, an amazing game which will push you to want to do better 😎

[unborn trail]

Your welcome! Glad I could've helped

[unborn trail]

I guess so

[unborn trail]

I'm quite a sweat in FPS games in general, so I think I could take on UV?

[slow sigil]

Yeh

[narrow oyster]

sounds like you've decided. go for it. you can change later if you want

[unborn trail]

Ok thx thx, been wanting to play eternal for a long time but I'm poor lol

[azure oriole]

do it on nightmare
no not being funny just play on nightmare its fun

[unborn trail]

I'll just find out for myself, if UV is not difficult enough I'll simply switch to nightmare

[delicate sandal]

Damn cheats are gamebreaking but feel so good

No wonder slayers gates are blocked

Imagine using infinite ammo quad damage haste bfg

[slow sigil]

I sure can, sounds extrenely boring

[delicate sandal]

I mean its fun for some time but takes the challenge out of the experience

Ign mode

[unborn trail]

Isn't that just cheats in general?

[delicate sandal]

Nope some cheat codes like big head mode are just passive while others like infinite ammo are active game breakers

[unborn trail]

Yeah I guess

[slow sigil]

Infinte ammo barely is a game breaker in eternal

[unborn trail]

If there's a new doom game after eternal, what should it be called?

[slow sigil]

Chainsaw does the same thing

[delicate sandal]

Doom forever

[unborn trail]

Ayyy

What should the final boss even be at that point

The father?

DOOM Extinction would also be a nice name, very simple and mod-like

[azure oriole]

pls stop doing dirty to my boy vega

homie does not deserve it

[stiff swan]

doom eternal but simplified:

[azure forum]

It does actually sound boring son

[slow sigil]

It's fun for half an arena
Then it's boring

[glossy warren]

I never use cheats

[azure oriole]

Ok

[left ridge]

Any tips on Urdak?

[azure oriole]

any specific part?

[jaunty vapor]

In general Urdak is pretty easy, just try to be cognizant of where Maykr Drones are. Popping them in the head gives both ammo AND a full heal (plus blood punch charges via health for blood).

If you struggle with hitting headshots, a) you can use Chrono Strike to make it very easy, and b) SSG hook -> PB (precision bolt) makes it extremely easy to hit them in the head, plus you get the armor from SSG mastery that way.

[azure oriole]

bro i beat the main game twice and dlc once and what the hell is chromo strike

[jaunty vapor]

Typo, meant Chrono.

It's the rune that slows time when holding alt fire midair.

[azure oriole]

k

i used to use that and then realised the one that gives you speed after glory kill (in my opinion) is just alot better

[jaunty vapor]

Blood Fueled is alright. I think if it didn't trigger off chainsaw it'd be very mid, but with chainsaw proccing it it's decent.

[azure oriole]

i dont even use it off the chainsaw much

[slow sigil]

if you try to use your modweapon, chromo strike activates
every single entity on the map becomes chrome with raytracing ON, which is prone to crash computers with weaker GPUs

[azure oriole]

ok but...i dont understand that

[jaunty vapor]

When they introduced ray tracing to the game they made a new Ballista weapon skin, "Chrome", which shows off the ray tracing on it. So Luci's joke is that Chromo strike makes everything chrome and thus crashes bad computers since ray tracing is highly resource intensive and usually needs a good/modern GPU, etc. Etc.

[azure oriole]

ok

do you do messages like this often? cause personally i would spontaneously explode

[slow sigil]

onyl when i'm available and willing

[azure oriole]

also did yk im def the actual doom guy

[azure oriole]

also i have to agree with your flabbergasting status

[slow sigil]

[azure oriole]

is that meant to like mean smth

🦖

[slow sigil]

nah just more random

[azure oriole]

lol just after i done t rex

[jaunty vapor]

Messages like what? Explaining shit? I guess 🤷

[azure oriole]

no a whole paragraph

[jaunty vapor]

I try my best to give as much info to someone as possible so, sure, I type paragraphs at times.

[azure oriole]

ok,but isnt flabbergasting fuck so fun to say istg

can i get a whole paragraph on why it is

[jaunty vapor]

Hah, funny.

[azure oriole]

ik right

idk if you can tell but im very random

[torpid carbon]

Who thought marauders were a good idea?

[slow sigil]

the eternal dev team

if you have ever been in a car before you shouldn't have too much trouble with them

[azure oriole]

marauders are amazing

[torpid carbon]

???

They’re genuinely awful i can’t even

[slow sigil]

i mean they are bad.... but not that bad

[azure oriole]

bru there a good enemy thats adds a fun challenge

[slow sigil]

i mean, no not really
they get kinda stale quick, and they dont really work with arenas either unlike bmaykrs

[torpid carbon]

The challenge isn’t fun

[azure oriole]

it is

just dont be bad

[torpid carbon]

Nearly unavoidable attacks, with strict timing to use the super shotgun (how are you finna use anything else for this shithead?) and surrounding foes making it worse

[torpid carbon]

If you’re not tryna get blocked, maybe don’t use variations of “git gud” when talking on public servers.

[azure oriole]

ye thats why you use the mobility of the super shotgun to get away kill everything else and then focus on the marauder

[azure oriole]

good point

[slow sigil]

if you can't seperate "fun" and "difficulty" in this convo you have nothing to talk about

[azure oriole]

i was planning to explode at cuphead anyway

[slow sigil]

timing is really not that strict, not locked in the ssg either
also, you have a dash which you can use to dodge his attacks

[torpid carbon]

For some reason, the dash doesn’t help much. I end up getting hit anyway

[slow sigil]

then you didnt dash at the right time

[torpid carbon]

Also what else do you use when the window for attack is that short

Also the dog thing that jumps around and attacks you

[slow sigil]

except for the shotgun attack idk if you can dodge that now that i try to remember it but it's just the dodge

[slow sigil]

you can.... shoot it

[azure oriole]

i will actually be helpful now but what diff you playing on?

[torpid carbon]

Oh ok

I’m too young to die

[slow sigil]

doesnt help if you have problems with core mechanics

[azure oriole]

well ye

[torpid carbon]

Also i’m just putting this out there: when Doom Eternal on “I’m Too Young To Die” is significantly harder than Doom 2016 on “Hurt Me Plenty”, something has gone amiss -_-

[azure oriole]

also normally when he rushes towards you, you will be able to attack him so normally i just shoot him with ballista or super shotgun and the worst that can happen is that you use some ammo

[slow sigil]

it's 2 different games

[azure oriole]

well ye

but people say doom eternal is easier

[torpid carbon]

Eternal is a direct sequel. One should expect them to be comparable

[slow sigil]

they are
yet still different

[torpid carbon]

HOW. WHAT THE FUCK.

[azure oriole]

or doom eternal be harder but not much

[slow sigil]

on top level it's much less bullshit

[azure oriole]

i agree with them

except slayer gates i find nightmare pretty easy in main game

[slow sigil]

imps do stupid damage in 2016 and there is no oneshot protection
falling a lil bit also just isntakills you

[torpid carbon]

Ok well thats nightmare difficulty. It’s kinda expected to be bullshit

[slow sigil]

no not really, it should still be fair

[azure oriole]

ye

[torpid carbon]

I’m playing Eternal on the easiest difficulty and there’s bullshit to deal with

[slow sigil]

it shouldnt be just "lol now you just die xd"

[azure oriole]

also dyk about quick swapping?

[torpid carbon]

Thats how it is in Doom 1

[slow sigil]

it's still a skillbased game

[slow sigil]

and doom eternal isn't doom1

[torpid carbon]

Yeah the button that you use to access the weapon wheel also just brings you to your last weapon used if you just press it

Same as 2016

[azure oriole]

ye

but like you swap between super shotgun and ballista as a basic version of it and you deal alot of damage

[torpid carbon]

Ngl the further i get into Eternal, the more i get kinda just annoyed with it

[azure oriole]

you could search up tips

also where are you at in it

[torpid carbon]

Like, 2016 worked perfectly from start to finish, and Eternal has a bunch of things that add up to a lesser experience so far

[slow sigil]

that's because you aren't really that good with the game, and the game doesnt compensate for people that aren't into the game

[torpid carbon]

I just finished the stage wherre you get the crucible

[azure oriole]

i feel like your gonna hate the end fight at the end of nekravol part 2

[torpid carbon]

Honestly not a good level. The preogression is kinda cryptic for no reason.

[azure oriole]

tbh theres not a single level i dislike

[slow sigil]

in like, 2 areas and even then it's not taht bad

pretty sure they mostly still put signs around which is eh one of the AAA game design Ls

[torpid carbon]

In what world is making progression clear an L?

[wraith siren]

this game is literally perfect

[azure oriole]

ye

[slow sigil]

it shouldnt have to be clear with handfeeding floating signs that think you're too dumb to go through a linear cave

[torpid carbon]

I’d say 2016 is pretty perfect

[azure oriole]

its my fav game even tho i dont play it rn

[wraith siren]

oh, they're both perfect

[azure oriole]

i havent played 2016 in awhile

[torpid carbon]

Ok i’m not gonna argue with stupid. I gtg for now tho

[slow sigil]

perfect is a bit too big of a word but far from bad

[wraith siren]

I don't know what is my fave anymore... On one hand you have eternal, on second you have Devil may cry 5....

[azure oriole]

i want to play it but never have

[slow sigil]

eternal literally already does a good form of it though lmfoa, everything that leads forward is neon green

[wraith siren]

no. it's just is. at least for me

[azure oriole]

also marauders are the best enemy

[wraith siren]

JESUS FUCKING FINALLY SOMEONE

[azure oriole]

you too?

[wraith siren]

Yes, Marauder is the best

[azure oriole]

OMG SOMEONE ELSE

[wraith siren]

BROOO 🍷

[azure oriole]

like there so fun to fight and add a good challenge and give the game some spice

[slow sigil]

i love having boring fights with an enemy that doesnt work well with other demons

[slow sigil]

marauders? challenge? huh
it's just waiting for a super predictable attack....

[wraith siren]

💀💀💀

[azure oriole]

yes but if theres another enemy sneaking up on you like its scooby doo it can be a challenge

[wraith siren]

they're not hard actually, but sooo fun to play against. Also their design is badass

[azure oriole]

yes

[wraith siren]

Way better than whatever fucking Archville is 💀

[azure oriole]

yes

like tanky support demon💀 pick one istg

hi guys! Is it possible to take save file from a friend if i am too lazy/busy to find all the hidden items?

first of all i have no clue, second i wouldnt say cause getting collectibles dont take very long tbh and are actually fun to get and makes it so you feel like you accomplished smth

[slow sigil]

i thought you liked challenge

[azure oriole]

i said a fun challenge

i like timing shit

[slow sigil]

also it can't support once you start wittling down on it's tankyness

[wraith siren]

yeah, I'm looking now for all the secrets and it's very fun to find them

[azure oriole]

yes i done main game nightmare 100% except some challenges

[azure oriole]

if i miss some collectible, i need to do the entire mission again?

[slow sigil]

wished eternal secrets where a bit more to get to

[azure oriole]

if you get to the end you can fast travel

[slow sigil]

isntead of... "look an obvious crack you saw on your map!"

[azure oriole]

that's cool, ty

well some are hard to find

[slow sigil]

emphasis on "some"

[azure oriole]

if you dont know where to look

[azure oriole]

well its not like there all gonna take 2 years

[slow sigil]

no but like a bit more thought behind them would be a bit better

instead of "look instead of going left you can go right!"

[azure oriole]

ye tbh

like theres not a challenge to them its just go back and forward

[wraith siren]

they are still nice though

[azure oriole]

yes

especially the icon of sin toy so i can see how caked up he is

[slow sigil]

that one technically isn't an secret

[azure oriole]

i dont even remember how you get it

[wraith siren]

The Marauder toy is just something else

[slow sigil]

having all the other ones i'm pretty sure

[azure oriole]

best armor set in thee opinion?

[slow sigil]

wetland

[wraith siren]

you first

[azure oriole]

for the ones i have prob classic doom marine or sentinel training armor

[slow sigil]

doesnt go

[wraith siren]

I use lux slayer

[azure oriole]

omg that looks good how th do you get it

[slow sigil]

horde

[azure oriole]

ok

[wraith siren]

beat first mission in horde mode on nightmare

[azure oriole]

i should do that tmrw

ill warm up on smth first tho, havent played in a while

[wraith siren]

ahhh horde mode is so fun

[azure oriole]

i played it a bit and dont enjoy it more then the main

[wraith siren]

just it gets boring when you finish it like 5th time

[slow sigil]

untill you played it once or twice and remember you have to do 2 levels worlds of it before you get to the good parts

[wraith siren]

it's good from the start for me

[slow sigil]

it is
on the first try
and you dont get....certain weapons

[wraith siren]

I mean yeah, after it only gets better, but it's not bad for me actually

[cyan frigate]

horde mode can actually eat an entire ass. misleading title and waiting for your full arsenal (or at least the most ideal weapons to start with” is a slog imo

[azure oriole]

also anyone else panning to get every single achievement cause you dont have a life?

[azure oriole]

also seeing that you like spawn idk much abt him but he is very cool

[slow sigil]

and you can also get plasma rifle or chaingun as your first 2 weapons.... making it just an extreme slog isntead of just a mild slog

[azure oriole]

and depressing...

[azure oriole]

why would chain gun be bad?

[slow sigil]

the shield is really not something you need early on

[azure oriole]

well ye but i think chain gun is pretty fun

[slow sigil]

it's boring and weak (apart from the shield which is just op)

[cyan frigate]

yup 100%. just awful. i got up to top 3 in nightmare horde leaderboard, and i knew what i needed to do to get up to 2 or even number 1 but i mentally could not go through the awful rng of getting plasma rifle as my first gun so many times lmao

[azure oriole]

pretty good against some bosses in my opinion

[slow sigil]

"is good" is not an opinion

[azure oriole]

well depends on how you play

[slow sigil]

and sadly, it flatout is not good against bosses compared to options that do more damage

[slow sigil]

no.... pb swaps simply are better even if you play a bit more poorly

this is not a matter of "playstyle" or "opinion" lol
this is math

[azure oriole]

and i dont listen in math so ye

[plain panther]

I was on here a while ago before I actually played through most of the game, it's recently clicked with me and it's pretty dang fun ^-^ There's DLC for the game, correct?

[azure oriole]

yes

[cyan frigate]

yup! theres two dlcs the first one has 3 levels, same with the second! (not counting the final boss) and the game has master levels 👍

[plain panther]

and the battlemode/horde mode say to complete the game/dlc what are those modes about? One is pvp, right?

[cyan frigate]

battlemode is pvp yes, 1 slayer against 2 demons. and horde mode is kinda like an arcade mode trying to get a high score and stuff. its linear not an actual horde mode unfortunately

[wraith siren]

Oh, I LOVE Spawn, he is one of my very favourite characters

[azure oriole]

i think i can tell

[wraith siren]

Yeah, but he’s not my top 1

[frigid drum]

Sup

[azure oriole]

any thoughts on ghost rider?

[wraith siren]

(Top 2 actually)

[azure oriole]

homelander being bumber 1?

[wraith siren]

Hey there, mate

[wraith siren]

I see you’ve read my profile bio🍷

[azure oriole]

ye

[frigid drum]

Ghost riders pretty cool

[wraith siren]

Yeah, he is, right?

[azure oriole]

cosmic ghost rider is badass af tho