doom-eternal

[worthy grotto]

But all the codex in doom 2016 indicate that it was the UAC’s first time encountering the demons

[turbid jetty]

capitalistic super corporation

I guess idk

[solid quiver]

was it the uac or the arc that opened portals on doom 3?

[tulip horizon]

no it was the UAC being suprised that demons came back after 120+ years

[worthy grotto]

UAC

[tulip horizon]

ARC didnt exist until doom eternal

[merry pine]

I mean even without knowing the lore, it's obvious that they're supporting the demons n shit. Calling them mortally challenged and calling the invasion a "cleansing", and saying to just let it happen.

[tulip horizon]

unless you consider ARC (advanced research complex) as one

[azure oriole]

Lore discussion. What's up?

[turbid jetty]

the SNES timeline is separate, 2016 and Eternal don't follow it so there's no indication Doom 1, 2 and 64 took place in the 21st century

[azure oriole]

I can help anyone if they're confused.

[tulip horizon]

"where does doom 3 fit into the lore"

[solid quiver]

basically yeah

[azure oriole]

Oh, cool. Doom 3 takes place in a separate universe than the OGs or 2016-Eternal but it's canon to the Doom multiverse, and its Hell is the same Hell as in the other games.

[turbid jetty]

also is Doom 2 Earth and Eternal Earth the same Earth or different

[worthy grotto]

The khan maykr also implied that the doom guy came from a different earth

[azure oriole]

I can happily provide my sources as to why this is 100% the case.

[merry pine]

Is there some simple answer to what actually happened in the entirety of Doom? Like is there some simple answer to the story?

[worthy grotto]

Although that voiceline was unused

[solid quiver]

so are all hells connected but universes arent?

[azure oriole]

Definitely different Earths, not the same.

[turbid jetty]

there we go

[tulip horizon]

no she just said that if doomguy messed with urdak earth will be hellified

[azure oriole]

There is only one Hell across all of Doom. It's come into contact with multiple Earths.

[worthy grotto]

In the art book it mentions the multiverse

[tulip horizon]

i think

i forgor her long dialogue so like I would remember

[solid quiver]

so basically what i said or different earths same universe

[azure oriole]

Different Earths. One Hell.

[worthy grotto]

I think there was even a broken earth shown in the ancient gods pt 1

[solid quiver]

ok thanks

[turbid jetty]

so I've been looking into this, is the only reason Doom 3 isn't a prequel to Doom 1 that stone image of Doomguy?

[azure oriole]

No. Doom 3's UAC contradicts the established UAC in Doom 1.

[solid quiver]

doom lore hurt brain

[turbid jetty]

how much do we know about Doom 1's UAC? I didn't think there would be much on them apart from they exist and experimented with portals

[worthy grotto]

I just chalked it up as different earth than brain hurts no more

[merry pine]

How many doom games take place in different universes? Like how many games actually share the same Doomguy?

[turbid jetty]

all of them except 3

[solid quiver]

monologue do you know when doom 1 takes place?

[worthy grotto]

The only that was confusing me was how doom guy ended up trapped In hell then I play doom 64

[azure oriole]

Doom 3's UAC is all-powerful and operates outside of the jurisdiction of any government, allowing it to do shit even outside of moral or legal boundaries.
Doom 1993's UAC is working for the government. Specifically, they don't even give a shit about the portals - it's the American military who wants the portals, they contract the UAC to develop them and provide them with US Marines for safety.

[merry pine]

I see

[azure oriole]

Doom 1993 also doesn't take place on Mars, it takes place on its moons Phobos and Deimos. Doom 3 never references the existence of UAC bases on the Mars moons.

[turbid jetty]

mhm

[tulip horizon]

Im Assuming That this is how it goes, Doom 1,2 And 64 take place on the earth we have and universe of our current situation, Doom 3 is same but different universe, Doom 2016 and Eternal are probably the same doomguy who got found out by samuel which I assume is from a universe different from Doom 1,2 and 64 but doomguy is still the same, because we don't hear any lore about some giant pyramid just impaling the earth all of a sudden

[turbid jetty]

although Doom 3 would take place years before Doom 1, so couldn't things change?

[worthy grotto]

The pyramid impaled argent d nur not earth

[azure oriole]

Similarly, Doom 3 can't happen in Doom 2016's universe because even if the dates may seemingly align, the backstory does not: Doom 3's UAC has already solved their Earth's energy crisis with the development of HydroCon. Doom 2016's UAC solved it with Argent Energy, which is a wholly separate product.

[tulip horizon]

I forgor so it could go both ways

[solid quiver]

is a answer to what year doom 1 takes place?

[tulip horizon]

2022

[turbid jetty]

2140's

[tulip horizon]

doom 1

[worthy grotto]

This is literally one google away

[turbid jetty]

yeah 2140's, I've been saying this whole time 2022 is a false date only ever stated in the snes manuel

[azure oriole]

No answer, but a reasonable assumption is sometime in the 2100s like Doom 3 and 2016.
Doom 1993 does not happen in 2022. This was referenced in the non-canon Doom 1993 SNES manual, which John Romero has said wasn't true.

[tulip horizon]

i asked for doom 1 they gave me 2149 AND THE 2016 Poster 💀

[merry pine]

I feel like halfway through making the games they just fucked up the lore. Decided to abandon that train wreck go with multiverse shit.

[worthy grotto]

I googled it and it said it originally take place around 2020

[turbid jetty]

it's not 2020

[azure oriole]

Thing is, there was no lore before 2016. Doom 3 was meant to be a complete reboot of Doom 1993's events. 2016-Eternal recontextualize the series as a multiverse.

[tulip horizon]

honestly I feel like the devs just had one guy write the lore and one guy take it apart and put it back together into a fnaf level type of lore

[solid quiver]

but then it didnt happen right?

[azure oriole]

Doom 3? It was originally a reboot. Now it's not.

[worthy grotto]

That’s what we call a retcon

[solid quiver]

ok thanks again

[azure oriole]

70% of this franchise's lore as an interconnected canon is because of 2016 and Eternal retroactively making it this. Before 2016, 3 was unrelated to the other games.

[tulip horizon]

but we all universally agree 2016 and eternal's doomguy is the same with the doomguy in the classics?

[azure oriole]

Yes. This is confirmed.

[tulip horizon]

cool

[worthy grotto]

John carmack originally made doom without a story until doom 3 which obviously was a reboot until Hugo changed it to a multiverse thing

[azure oriole]

Doom has always had a story, Carmack just didn't believe it mattered.

[tulip horizon]

Doom 3 was too much of a mess ain't gonna lie

[merry pine]

It's like instead of reboots, they decided to make actual lore, then upon realizing the lore doesn't doesn't make any fucking sense, they panicked and made up the same multiverse excuse on the spot.

[solid quiver]

if doom 1 takes place in 2140s then that means only 20 years later elena log happens

[azure oriole]

What's important about Carmack was that he didn't necessarily think games shouldn't have stories, it was that they didn't have the technological prowess to give videogames deeper and more complex stories without sacrificing the gameplay, which is why Tom Hall's Doom bible wasn't feasible.

Carmack has since run back his comment about stories in games being pointless.

[solid quiver]

theres a heaven in doom right with a god?

[worthy grotto]

Carmack should come back for the doom sequel

It’s implied that the dark lord we killed in ancient gods was god

[tulip horizon]

there is no heaven but there is urdak where "god" is the father but in reality the real god was davoth

[worthy grotto]

And heaven is complicated

[azure oriole]

In Doom's canon, "Heaven" is bullshit. It's humanity's misconception of Urdak.
There is no real God in Doom; Christianity is a farce made-up from the Hell and Urdak lore.

[tulip horizon]

cos you could say urdak is technically heaven but at the same time a purgatory run by a psychotic moth lady

[solid quiver]

why do dark lord and doomguy look the same?

[worthy grotto]

It’s scary that a lot of the souls that died are used for consumption

[azure oriole]

Not necessarily. The Earth of the classic games isn't the Earth of Doom Eternal, and time isn't synced between each universe.
From the Slayer's perspective, millions of years pass between Doom 1993 and Eternal.

[turbid jetty]

cause of some "I created you" bullshit TAG introduced

[merry pine]

In doom, when you die, do you just go to hell? Like, you're punished anyways, even if you were a good person or whatever?

[tulip horizon]

also assuming that doomguy's looks changed, the divinity machine

[azure oriole]

We don't know. It'll be revisited later.

[midnight sparrow]

Naw. Carmack was showing he was more worried about showing off his cool new engine rather then the actual game built inside it. Dudes a genius but I don't think it would be good for him to be heavily involved in a new Doom (or any id game) development. He also has long since moved away from game development.

[solid quiver]

so urdak is the way humans think hevan look? Im confused

[tulip horizon]

no Urdak IS heaven

[solid quiver]

oh

[azure oriole]

In Doom, when you die, you die. That's it. There is no confirmed natural afterlife.
Humans only go to Hell if demons were the cause of their death.

[worthy grotto]

we don’t even know what heaven is like in our reality

[tulip horizon]

but at the same time it is not the "endless paradise of happy sunshine" people think

[merry pine]

Doom is so complicated bruh

[worthy grotto]

It’s whatever people want it to be like

[solid quiver]

so if you die thats it but you die by a demon you go to hell?

[azure oriole]

Yes

[worthy grotto]

It’s scary to think about

[tulip horizon]

for all we know heaven wouldn't even exist in the doom lore, if you don't go to hell you just see black.

[solid quiver]

Interesting

[worthy grotto]

There is no afterlife only endless torture to be converted into energy

[fair tangle]

The fans make complicated

[azure oriole]

The idea of Heaven, as in a cloudy happy afterlife where we become one with our God as reward for having lived a good life, is bullshit in Doom's canon. Humans made it up - it's the result of Argent D'Nur's worship of the Maykrs being eventually misconstrued into what becomes modern Christianity through millions of years.

[worthy grotto]

Maybe you become part of a collective consciousness

[tulip horizon]

maykkr's source

[azure oriole]

Humans in Doom's canon are descendants of the Argenta.

[merry pine]

How many times have demons invaded earth now in the main doom universe?????

[turbid jetty]

I mean Doom isn't really complicated since majority of this just came from the ingame codex entries

[midnight sparrow]

Ties into that one theory about the Martians in Doom 3 being Argenta that later became human. Neat.

[solid quiver]

was the arc made to fight demons or what

[worthy grotto]

Yes

[azure oriole]

Yeah. The Martians in Doom 3 were Argenta.

[tulip horizon]

Doom 1, Doom 2, Doom 64, Doom TNT, Plutonia, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal, yeah around 8 times

[worthy grotto]

It’s in the codex

[midnight sparrow]

cool how Doom 3 is canon

[turbid jetty]

Doom 1, 2, 64 are one timeline
Doom 3 another
Doom 2016 and Eternal are a third, but you play as the same guy from the first timeline

[azure oriole]

The ARC was a massive group made by Samuel Hayden and the United Nations to fight the demons.

[worthy grotto]

The only missing link is where the wraiths came from because I don’t think their maykrs

[turbid jetty]

all of them connected by the same heaven and hell

[azure oriole]

They were a pretty damn good group too. They fought off the demons for 12 years before the Slayer got there.

[solid quiver]

if you somehow made it to hell in doom 3 could you end up in doom eternals universe

[tulip horizon]

doom3uy goes into hell when DOOMguy is sleeping in his coffin

[worthy grotto]

Maybe in the sequel they will expand more upon the elemental wraiths

[turbid jetty]

I mean if you survived yeah

[tulip horizon]

im assuming

[solid quiver]

cool

[azure oriole]

Yes. That's what Doomguy did. He went from his Earth, to Hell, to Doom 3's Mars, to Argent D'Nur, back to Hell, then to Doom 2016's Mars.

[midnight sparrow]

They where kept in Argent D'Nur and where involved with the World Spear piercing the planet. I don't think we know where they CAME from though.

[tulip horizon]

but that wouldn't explain doom 3's opening where he JUST arrived on mars

[solid quiver]

why is doomgiy called doomguy and doomslayer?

[tulip horizon]

community nickname and canon name

[merry pine]

Also, the time frame in doom doesn't make sense, the first game takes place apparently in 2020, yet it's literally said in a Slayer's Club news article that it's canon Doomslayer has been fighting demons for EONS, which is scientifically a billion years. Was doomguy fighting demons BEFORE Doom 1?

[solid quiver]

thats a different marine i think

[tulip horizon]

riiiight

[azure oriole]

Doom 3's Doomguy is not our Doomguy. He's a separate man.
The OG Doomguy shows up in 3 as the Martian Hero.

[turbid jetty]

looks like Doomguy used the soulcube when he was on Doom 3's earth based on the stone tablet

[tulip horizon]

ah I see

[solid quiver]

and as monologue said doom 3 is on a moon of mars

[midnight sparrow]

Doom Slayer was on Doom 3's Mars way WAY before the events of Doom 3 given the stone tablets in the UAC Labs.

[worthy grotto]

They called doom slayer the timewalker so obviously time in hell is out of sync than realities time

[fair tangle]

DOOM, DOOM 2, DOOM 64, DOOM 2016 and DOOM Eternal are in the same universe

[turbid jetty]

false

[tulip horizon]

Also lets not forget a key piece of evidence for the fact that this is true

Gladiator

[merry pine]

So he's been fighting for eons in HELL, but for like.. 100-200 years in reality?

[azure oriole]

1. The first game does not happen in 2020. This isn't canon.
2. The eons the Slayer spent fighting demons happened between Doom 64 and Doom 2016; he spent those eons in Hell, where time goes by slower than on the Earths.
3. The timeframes of the various Earths are not synced. While Doom 2016's Earth is in its 2149, Doom 1993's Earth has probably been reduced to a smoking crater thanks to the heat-death of the universe or something.

[worthy grotto]

Pretty much

[solid quiver]

ok so doom 1 2 64 and 2016 and eternal are the same people but 2016 and eternal are different universes

[tulip horizon]

but what about the sarcophagus?

[azure oriole]

WDYM?

[worthy grotto]

And to note that the divinity machine might’ve given doom slayer longevity

[tulip horizon]

coffin

[merry pine]

MY FUCKING BRAIN HURTS

[midnight sparrow]

It's not true though. Classic Doom up until Doom 64 (not counting Doom RPG I guess) take place in the same universe. 2016 up to TAG2 are in the same universe. and Doom 3 is off in it's own universe.

[azure oriole]

OK gimme a second.

[turbid jetty]

goddammit why does this feel like talking to brick walls

[solid quiver]

so all doomgiys beside 3 are the same right but the 2016 and eternal games are a different universe?

[fair tangle]

But Doomguy was found close to the hell by the sentinels, so it's a sequence from DOOM 64

[turbid jetty]

I feel like we're just saying variations of the same shit right now

[tulip horizon]

it was confirmed in tag that doom1uy is same as Doomslayer by codex

[midnight sparrow]

Doesn't mean its in the same universe

[turbid jetty]

they took him to Argent D' Nur after 64

[solid quiver]

my brain is expldong

[turbid jetty]

him waking up in 2016 is much much later

[solid quiver]

all because i asked if doom 3 is canon or not lol

[midnight sparrow]

Yeah but doesn't mean they take place in the same universe which is what @fair tangle said

[tulip horizon]

this is worse than fnaf lore because we don't have Matpat here 💀

[merry pine]

SO WAIT, Did the doomguy from doom 1, 2, and 64 move to the earth in 2016 and eternal when their earth was destroyed?

[worthy grotto]

Ok you nubs doomguy in doom eternal is the same from doom classic, except doom marine in doom 3 which is a different universe that exists within the doom multiverse

[tulip horizon]

yes

[turbid jetty]

this shouldn't be this hard to follow

[turbid jetty]

I reiterate this
Doom 1, 2, 64 are one timeline
Doom 3 another
Doom 2016 and Eternal are a third, but you play as the same guy from the first timeline
all timelines are apart of a multiverse sandwiched between Heaven and Hell

[worthy grotto]

If you want to get super super technical doomslayer in quake champions could also be canon

[solid quiver]

aaaaa

[fair tangle]

It's a reference. The developers don't care that much for timelines so we can just assume that is the same universe

[merry pine]

Okay, so the doomguy from 1, 2, and 64 moved to the timeline in 2016 and eternal?

[solid quiver]

i blame myself for this lol

[turbid jetty]

yes

[worthy grotto]

Jesus Christ

[tulip horizon]

yeah because it would explain why the BFG is "new" in 2016, we clearly saw the BFG being an invention in doom 1 but it is "new" in 2016, wouldn't make sense

[solid quiver]

Basically

[merry pine]

Interesting

[midnight sparrow]

It's literally confirmed there in different universes.

[turbid jetty]

excuse me what, you literally pointed out why my statement is correct

[tulip horizon]

thats what im saying, im trying to say its correct

[turbid jetty]

Doom 1 and 2016 are not the same timeline, so yes in 2016 it is a new invention

[solid quiver]

doomguy basically brought the bfg to the doom 2016 world right?

[worthy grotto]

So we can all agree that earth in doom eternal is different than earth in doom 2

[fair tangle]

Where was confirm?

[turbid jetty]

oh sorry

[worthy grotto]

No

[tulip horizon]

no because it was clearly stated" BFG development" meaning the UAC made it

[solid quiver]

then what happened to the doom 1 bfg?

[azure oriole]

I'm drawing something up that will help you guys.

[merry pine]

I'm pretty sure doom 2's earth was reduced to a smoking crater or something

[turbid jetty]

you find the BFG in 2016

[tulip horizon]

in the original timeline

[worthy grotto]

Gone, reduced to atoms

[turbid jetty]

got lost or destroyed or something

[merry pine]

Oh goodie! I love drawings, I can understand them more than text.

[worthy grotto]

No it survived

[solid quiver]

Ok thanks cause i know all dolm guys are same but different world

[turbid jetty]

if anyone is still confused just look to this again

[merry pine]

Oh okay

[solid quiver]

this should be pinned

[worthy grotto]

Doom guy in doom 3 is not our doom guy

[tulip horizon]

no doom3 guy is different but the martian hero MIGHT, only MIGHT be our lovely bunny avenger

[solid quiver]

or like make a doom lore channel

[solid quiver]

i forgot to add that but ik

[agile charm]

I have been summoned

[worthy grotto]

No you have not get outta here

[tulip horizon]

honestly if we got matpat here this would be so much easier 💀

[worthy grotto]

Let’s not muddy this more than it should

[solid quiver]

he would probs be confused also ngl

[tulip horizon]

DOOM Lore Worse Than FNAF Lore

[solid quiver]

only thing is that doom isnt making new games every year

[merry pine]

matpat is the only man who can explain any lore to me in a way that makes sense

[solid quiver]

so he wouldnt have to worry about it chaning

[worthy grotto]

I remember there was a whole thing going around that doom slayer was the betrayer

[azure oriole]

Matpat would butcher this shit. He's a moron. Trust me.

[fair tangle]

Every game is in the same timeline, DOOM 3 is the Black sheep

[worthy grotto]

Doom 3 is Staten Island

[tulip horizon]

this is universally agreed at this point

[azure oriole]

Ookay so everyone please listen to me for a moment, and I have a shitty drawing that can help you visualize what I'm saying.

[solid quiver]

ok

[merry pine]

[merry pine]

Yay!

[turbid jetty]

matpat made a theory that Doom is connected to Kingdom Hearts or something

[tulip horizon]

goofy

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040804498588831834/1111844092419256420/image.png
Take a look at this. This is the Doom multiverse.
RED = Hell.
ORANGE = Doomguy's personal timeline. The Doomguy, not Doom 3's Doomguy.
The other colored-lines = the lifespans of the Earths we've seen.

[solid quiver]

doom is connected fornight

[worthy grotto]

Nah I think it was something about link from Zelda

[tulip horizon]

thats stupid

[azure oriole]

Doomguy goes from his universe, to Hell, then to Doom 3's Mars, then to Argent D'Nur, which is in the modern universe. then he ends up in Hell, then Doom 2016.

[worthy grotto]

Why does the orange timeline looks like a ekg monitor

[azure oriole]

So that you could tell it apart from the red one.

[solid quiver]

so the multiverse exists in doom but only 1 world has doom guy?

[turbid jetty]

yeah that's the other game

[merry pine]

I understand EVERYTHING now.

[agile charm]

Does anyone know how to kill the cyber demons fast

[fair tangle]

Where is the fortnite and fall guys lines

[turbid jetty]

Matpat's theory is Fortnite, Doom (and by extension Wolfenstein) and Kingdom hearts are all apart of a connected universe

[solid quiver]

exactly

[worthy grotto]

Feed it the doom lore

[azure oriole]

I guess you could argue every world has a Doomguy, and we play as Doom 3's in Doom 3.
This would beg the question of who Doom Eternal's Doomguy would've been had we not focused on the Slayer.

[merry pine]

I don't think Fortnite has lore

[tulip horizon]

Classic Universe -> Hell -> Classic Universe -> Hell -> Doom 3 Universe DLC -> Hell -> Hell -> Hell -> Slayer's Coffin -> Modern Universe -> Hell -> Modern Universe -> Hell -> Modern Universe

[azure oriole]

Yeah no I assure you, Matpat does not know jack shit about this franchise. He is an idiot, he can barely even comprehend what's going on in FNAF, which is also simpler than he thinks.
I've studied Doom's lore for a while. I wrote a novel-sized guide on it.

[worthy grotto]

What hell am i looking at

He wrote the doom Bible New Testament

[tulip horizon]

Name Your Price For The Guide

[merry pine]

Perfection.

[azure oriole]

The guide's free lol. It's a PDF in the pinned messages of this channel.

[tulip horizon]

oh

[turbid jetty]

I've been making my own headcanon trying to keep all of id's franchises connected lol

[solid quiver]

what is doom 2016 and doom eternals world doom got killed before he could become doom guy

[tulip horizon]

Bro Wrote The Bible

[azure oriole]

It's about 200 pages, and I'm in a process of revising it a bit too.

[azure oriole]

I like to think the Intern is Modern Earth's Doomguy.

[solid quiver]

what if all doomguys exist in all universes but not all universes have had demons invade yet

[worthy grotto]

Or maybe doom guy is the guy that died in doom vr

[turbid jetty]

this is getting very theoretical

[tulip horizon]

Doom 1,2 And 64's Universe Is Different From 2016 And Eternal, But We Play As The Same Guy, The Bible Outright States "god" Created Everything, Assuming The Multiverse, I'm Taking From The Bible Because Half The Doom Lore Might Be Just Written From The Bible Itself

[solid quiver]

so if doomslayer never went there he would have become doomguy?

[worthy grotto]

No

[merry pine]

bro you could sell this as an actual book

[azure oriole]

Who knows? I doubt the Intern could've saved the world though.

[fair tangle]

Every universe has a John Romero

[worthy grotto]

Dude is too scrawny

[azure oriole]

If id Software ever wanted me to, sure.

[worthy grotto]

Listen all I want to know is what the wraiths are

[tulip horizon]

Sell It At 79.99$

[solid quiver]

i would buy it

[azure oriole]

Hugo Martin said an official lore bible is coming, but I doubt that's happening, and I doubt it'd be as informative. So I just decided to do it myself.

[worthy grotto]

Their obviously aliens of some kind

[tulip horizon]

it'd give you my savings

[worthy grotto]

We need a new doom comic

[solid quiver]

could my idea of all universes having a doomguy but not visited by hell work?

[merry pine]

I would probably buy it if long youtube videos didnt exist

[tulip horizon]

I'm More Concerned About "The First Ones"

[worthy grotto]

I also want to know what happened between 2016 and eternal

[solid quiver]

what is the year difference between 2016 and eternal?

[turbid jetty]

12 years

[solid quiver]

where does doom guy get the fortress of dolm?

[fair tangle]

Doomguy is getting old so

[azure oriole]

Okay, so, there are two potential answers to this. One is more satisfying but may be proven wrong, and the other is what Hugo's implied and will tie into future content.
The first one: The Wraiths are lifeforms the Maykrs created as the answer to Davoth's wish for immortality. They sent them from Urdak to keep them safe from him, they crash landed on Argent D'Nur.
The second one: The Wraiths are monsters that come from the Mysterious Voice, who will tie into the upcoming Quake reboot which will take place in Doom's canon.

[tulip horizon]

DOOM 2016 Takes Place On Around 2149, DOOM Eternal Takes Place Around 2451-2452

[azure oriole]

Doom 2016 happens in 2149. Eternal happens in 2163.

[turbid jetty]

he doesn't age thanks to his celestial power iirc

[tulip horizon]

oh

I Can't Math 💀

[azure oriole]

No, no, it's 2163. Eternal's marketing implies it has only been a little bit since 2016, but that's bullshit. Elena Richardson outright confirms it's 2163 in the game itself.

[worthy grotto]

I forgot about the mysterious voice

[turbid jetty]

so 14 years

[tulip horizon]

I thought 2149 + 12 was 2451

[worthy grotto]

Bruh

[halcyon fog]

Its classic or nuthin

[fair tangle]

Imortal for Bethesda make infinity games

[tulip horizon]

Divinity Machine

[solid quiver]

@azure oriole could the idea of all universes having a doomguy but not all universes being visited by hell work

[worthy grotto]

Can we assume that quake champions is also canon

[azure oriole]

It's a bit more than 12.
To specify, it's been around 12 years since the invasion began. But the invasion took a while to begin properly.

[merry pine]

There's nothing wrong with classic, def a solid skin. The best skin in my opinion that I have right now would probably be zombie slayer.

[tulip horizon]

ah i see

[halcyon fog]

Doom 1, 2, 64, 2016, and Eternal are same story same guy. Doom 3 is seperate

[solid quiver]

also since doom guy has the classic suit does that mean he kinda just had it in his back pocket?

[tulip horizon]

im going to go with thenorn's theory that all other multiverses had a doomguy, like doom 3, but hell decided to go for DOOMSLAYER's universe and turn doomguy into that

[tulip horizon]

yeah basically, think of It like a relic of sorts

[solid quiver]

also the way doomguys strengh works is weird

[worthy grotto]

Idk that means that 2016 praetor suit is also in his back pocket

[fair tangle]

It's sad that DOOM Slayer kill Dark Lord so fast, Doom Guy is too op now

[tulip horizon]

Divinity Machine

[worthy grotto]

Even though eternal suit is a modified version of 2016 praetor suit

[halcyon fog]

I dont think any of the different skins are cannon that he actually still has them. The only thing would be that when you unlock the classic, it says "still fits". Its most likely just a nod to the classic but it could mean he still has it in the lore

[azure oriole]

Eternal implies that yeah, maybe every universe has a Doomguy as in a person who, if Hell were to invade, could step up and maybe kick their asses.

[solid quiver]

well the 2016 suit is being fixed or whatever as you can see it in his little base

[azure oriole]

But so far we only know of three Earth/Mars that Hell has invaded, the ones we've seen.

[solid quiver]

yo i made kinda canon doom lore

or a theory in more sense

[azure oriole]

Off-screen, Hell's invaded plenty of other places, plenty of alien realms - like Drumavi, which is mentioned in the Eternal Lorebook.
We can also add Urdak to that list, as of Eternal.

[worthy grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-i-wash-my-hands-of-this-weirdness-potc-wtf-weird-gif-11263756

[solid quiver]

wait so you can unlock the 2016 suit but its also being fixed in the doom base?

[halcyon fog]

the whole multi-universes thing is very up in the air. Eternal doesn't make it clear on how many there are or if its like multiverse theory or how they can interact. We know that the doomguy was not like born in the 2016/Eternal universe so there isnt like 2 of them there

[solid quiver]

technically yes and no

[halcyon fog]

the different skins he wears are not cannon

[worthy grotto]

Not fixed more like modified, we don’t know what happened between 2016 and eternal so it’s hard to tell

[azure oriole]

If you take a cut Khan Maykr line as canon, there are at least 7 Earthly Realms (as in a universe with Earth in it).

[solid quiver]

So the 2016 suit and classic are cannon?

[meager gale]

I thought the timeline was Doom 1, Doom 2, Doom 64, Doom, Doom Eternal

[worthy grotto]

The praetor suit is different than the eternal suit I’m pretty sure

[halcyon fog]

not that he still has them and wears them I dont believe. obv the 2016 is taken down in his mancave but I dont think wearing different skins is actually cannon

[fair tangle]

Yeah

[azure oriole]

It is. Doom 3 goes in between 64 and 2016

[solid quiver]

so the doom 2 suit doom and doom 64 suit are canon but destroyed and the one 2 and 64 we unlock is something we can wear but but canon

[worthy grotto]

I think their all destroyed

[solid quiver]

so what i said right?

[halcyon fog]

yeah he doesnt have any of them other than 2016 preator which is taken apart

[fair tangle]

There are draws made by sentinels of DOOM Slayer wearing the classic suit

[meager gale]

I feel like the Doom 64 Suit is the one he kinda just discarded after joining the Sentinels or whatever. That or it suffered too much wear and tear.

[worthy grotto]

The classic suit probably got modified to be the praetor suit in 2016

[solid quiver]

So the suits we unlock in the doom fortress arent canon besides the classic?

[worthy grotto]

Theres obviously some kind of English writing engraved in the 2016 praetor suit

[halcyon fog]

Doom 3 could be cannon cuz it can be one of the earths in the overall lore but the actual stories and protagonist of Doom 3 are not in line with the others as directly

[solid quiver]

Then the one we unlock is a remake your sayjng?

[azure oriole]

Doom 3's totally canon. It's just not relevant to the Slayer

[worthy grotto]

No I think it’s just a purely cosmetic thing

[halcyon fog]

yeah thats what Im saying. Same universe but story is disconnected

[worthy grotto]

I feel like we’ve gone too long into this

[meager gale]

I prefer Doom 3 being it's own universe. Let the Marine be his own hero

[solid quiver]

As we said it doesnt exist in the doomslayers earth but it can adventured by doomslayer if he wantsd

[worthy grotto]

He is his own hero

[azure oriole]

It is, don't worry.

[worthy grotto]

Doom slayer never interfered with the events in 3

[azure oriole]

Doom 3 is canon to Doom's multiverse. It doesn't happen in any of the other Doom universes.

[solid quiver]

so is the earth in doom 1 destoryed or what

[worthy grotto]

No it’s still standing

[meager gale]

Nah the earth in Doom 1 was semi overrun

[worthy grotto]

It was fine since 64

[fair tangle]

For me everything there is canon, just not the DOOM 3 (that's why don't have the skin in DOOM Eternal)

[meager gale]

Then after the Icon dies everyone comes back from space in Doom 2

[azure oriole]

The demons killed the vast majority of humans in Doom 2 and may have absorbed parts of the region, but the planet itself is intact in 64's manual.

[worthy grotto]

Who knows maybe og earth got destroyed in nuclear war

[solid quiver]

i like the think the skins in doom Fortress are canon

Doom 2 and 64 are canon but destiryed and the ones we unlock arent

[worthy grotto]

2016 praetor suit is destroyed

We see it dismantled on the table

[halcyon fog]

where is TnT and Plutonia in the story since they're also cannon

[fair tangle]

DOOM 2 haircut are canon too

[halcyon fog]

is Plutonia just like directly after 2

[meager gale]

I like to think the classic suit he just stole from another Doomguy and the Sentinel suit he just kept for sentimental reasons. With the Doom 2016 suit he tried rebuilding since it's being disassembled in his office

[azure oriole]

Ehhh.... I doubt they're canon.

They are officially released iwads but they're never mentioned again, and they contradict each other.

[solid quiver]

I think the doom 1 skin in doom eternal is the one from all thise years ago

[worthy grotto]

I remember there was a theory that classic suit was turned into the praetor suit

[halcyon fog]

Thought I saw that they were somewhere

[solid quiver]

and the 2016 suit is just a new suit that was there when he grabbed it

[worthy grotto]

Weren’t those community made maps?

[halcyon fog]

yeah but ID picked em up for official release. Obviously them being cannon wouldnt make sense but neither does any of the rest of it lol

[solid quiver]

@azure oriole was doom 2016 on the table because they found him in the coffin?

[worthy grotto]

I feel like we’re just walking in circles now

[azure oriole]

Yes

[fair tangle]

I think that the sentinels made the armor for him after the taras nabad battle

[solid quiver]

was everyone gone because the place was being invaded

[worthy grotto]

There’s English writing on the praetor suit

And the sentinels don’t know English or else everything in the codex wouldn’t have to be translated

[meager gale]

You ever think about how Doomguy is technically a Revenant

[solid quiver]

@azure oriole is there any canon reason for the demons looking different from 2016 to eternal?

[halcyon fog]

Hugo is well aware hes not writing a bulletproof, amazing and thorough story. The point of dooms lore is to A: explain why you are killing demons and why you are where you are. B: be awesome and campy and stupid in a good way

[meager gale]

Cause he died in e1m8 and came back to life

[azure oriole]

Different demon breeds.

[worthy grotto]

I thought it was just evolution

[solid quiver]

so the same demon but differnt breeds?

[azure oriole]

Can be that, too.

[halcyon fog]

the real reason is obv because they wanted to change the look but the lore backup is just like differing breeds. Like dogs I guess

[azure oriole]

Sometimes. Doom 2016's Mancubi are implied to be bio-engineered Cacodemons, for example. But Eternal's are just plain Mancubi.
OG Hell Knights went extinct, new Hell Knights are a different species that replaced them.

[worthy grotto]

I mean we can also question why the cacodemon blood turned to blue after 2016

[solid quiver]

only reason they arent as dirty looking is because in eternal they were just spawned in while 2016 they were killing mutiple people before being nilled

[meager gale]

But how do demons breed. They don't have genitals

[fair tangle]

But the suit is green to look like the classic, so was made especially for him

[worthy grotto]

I said that they modified the classic into the praetor

[halcyon fog]

I guess "Hell Knight" would be considered a title and not an actual species so when the OG onces went out, a new type took that role

[worthy grotto]

Possibly

Wait a minute

[azure oriole]

Yeah that is correct. 2016 says the Barons and Hell Knights are all part of a social warrior caste called the Order of the Hell Knights.

[worthy grotto]

Does this mean the doom movie is also canon?

[azure oriole]

No.

[solid quiver]

was the 2016 suit meant to be there for doomguy to wear after they were done with him @azure oriole

[halcyon fog]

no it is not

[worthy grotto]

Unless

[meager gale]

It's not because the demons in the movie are aliens right

[halcyon fog]

thank god the Doom movies are not cannon I want them to remain as separate as possible lol

[worthy grotto]

I heard we’re getting another doom movie from district 9 director

[solid quiver]

they should mullet slayer the only canon doom skin

[fair tangle]

Demons doesn't exist in that movie. They are mutants

[azure oriole]

It was just in the same place.

[halcyon fog]

he just posted the OG doom cover art on twitter so ppl are speculating

[solid quiver]

mullet slayer was him during 2016 and eternal is my new theory

[worthy grotto]

Just give us one good doom movie

I think doom annihilation is also getting a sequel

[azure oriole]

As far as you're concerned, the only canon Doom material is this:
Doom 1993
Doom II
Doom 64
(maybe Final Doom, if you care about it)
Doom 3
Doom 2016
(I guess Doom VFR, who fucking cares though)
Doom Eternal
The movies aren't canon, the novels aren't canon.

[halcyon fog]

They wouldnt be able to make a good doom movie cuz doom thrives off of ridiculous 80s action movie energy and they just dont make those anymore

[fair tangle]

It's so easy to make a DOOM Movie. It's just an angry Master Chief in hell

[solid quiver]

mullet slayer is doomslayer during 2016 and eternal is my def real theory

[sand ibex]

i beat doom eternal on hmp a little while ago and im trying to play it on nightmare and im on cultist base and i keep dying to the fight where they introduce cueballs

[azure oriole]

(No, SIGIL is not canon.)

[worthy grotto]

Neil blomkamp is followed by Bethesda on twitter

[sand ibex]

where you are in that very narrow tall arena, with the blood floor

[halcyon fog]

Man Sigil was great. For the most part.... Fuckin Caco addiction over there at the Romero household

[agile charm]

I don’t count doom 3 as canon it just doesn’t make sense

[azure oriole]

SIGIL's an awesome game.

[solid quiver]

funny how these entire lore thing is because i wanted to known the marine from doom 3 is doomslayer lol

[halcyon fog]

nothing does welcome to doom

[sand ibex]

i mean, when you only have the doom 1 monsters, its kinda hard to make things difficult without using a lot of cacos

[fair tangle]

I'm sorry but I still don't get it why DOOM 3 is canon

[solid quiver]

its a different universe

[worthy grotto]

Doom 3 takes place in an alternate universe

[halcyon fog]

Sigils level design was great but it really started to get rough with the only Doom 1 enemies near the end. Just a million caco every level

[solid quiver]

but all hells are connected ig

[worthy grotto]

Please don’t make us explain it again

My head hurts already

[azure oriole]

Doom's lore makes sense. All you have to do is read every Codex file back-to-front several times and then squint at every detail in the games and then watch Hugo Martin answer questions, and then compile it all into a novel-sized guide.
Not too hard.

[halcyon fog]

Ik I just wish he used Doom 2 resources but I get that he wanted to do 1

[fair tangle]

How?

[solid quiver]

ask @azure oriole

[sand ibex]

yeah it will be cool when he eventually releases that still unnamed doom 2 megawad project that he is supposedly working on

[halcyon fog]

it still doesnt tho after all that. Its not like bad writing caused it tho its just the product of trying to tie everything together into one story

[worthy grotto]

Wasnt it also established that the wolfenstein reboot takes place in the doom universe to?

[solid quiver]

yes

[azure oriole]

Doom's canon is a multiverse of a buncha different Earths, all connected to one (1) Hell.
Doom 3 is one of those Earths. It's not 1993's Earth, or Eternal's Earth. But it's the same Hell.

[halcyon fog]

is it Sigil 2? cuz hes makin that rn

[sand ibex]

no
thats a different thing

[halcyon fog]

ah. hyped for that too tho

[azure oriole]

No. Youngblood makes a cheeky reference to Doom but nothing serious.

[agile charm]

Ima try to platinum doom eternal and 2016 how hard is it for people who did get it

[halcyon fog]

eternal is easy to plat idk ab 2016 tho

[solid quiver]

@azure oriole thanks for helping me understand doom lore today

[sand ibex]

yeah, originally the doom 2 megawad was gonna be sigil 2 but then at some point he decided to make that its own thing and make a doom 1 sigil 2

[worthy grotto]

In one of the weapon files in wolfenstein it says the energy used was from a extradimensional portal

[azure oriole]

Sure thing!

[azure oriole]

Doom's lore makes sense to me because I have Doom brainrot and virtually all of it is shit I've perfectly memorized. But I don't expect that of everyone else, that's just what happens when you have a hyperfixation that doesn't let up.

[solid quiver]

ima go back to arc complex because i took s break to discuss lore

[fair tangle]

What about the designs of the demons compare to the other DOOM games?

[azure oriole]

Different breeds in Hell.

[solid quiver]

thanks to everyone who helped me based of my little question of who was whi

[azure oriole]

Here's the thing about Doom's lore - I unironically enjoy it and think it's considerably decent for what the devs wanted to do, but it's undeniably written around cool setpieces and enviornments rather than the other way around. There's no sensible reason for the fucking Gate of Divum to be in fucking Ohio (yes, that's canon), but it is, because Reclaimed Earth had to be the second last level in TAG2.

[worthy grotto]

I’m still convinced that the wolfenstein reboot takes place in the doom multiverse

[solid quiver]

i thank monoluge endless and perish for helping understand today but im go now bye

[azure oriole]

If you accept this, and then you further accept that the writers didn't have everything memorized because they weren't JRR Tolkien and thus there's gonna be some contradictions, then things make a little more sense. Some of Doom is meant to be up to interpretation and some of it is stuff the writers didn't think of, which means that's also up to interpretation.

[fair tangle]

That will be nice to see

[solid quiver]

wait how long is eternal and tag 1 take place?

[azure oriole]

Unsure, but presumably a while considering greenery has already overtaken places Hell previously invaded.

[solid quiver]

ok thanks bye now

[halcyon fog]

I mean technically it can make sense but thats cuz of a lot of throwaway answers especially for the OGs cuz they just didn't care lol. It may make sense but you could poke holes in it for days but who wants to

[worthy grotto]

But is doom slayer in quake champions canon?

[azure oriole]

It does, but all that means is that extradimensional shit in Wolfenstein exists, which was already clear.

[halcyon fog]

the time in between Eternal and DLCs is very iffy cuz of reclaimed earth

[azure oriole]

I wouldn't get your hopes up for a Doom-Wolfenstein connection. That was never 100% canon, and the modern Wolfenstein games are made by a completely different team with different writers.

At the most I'd expect cheeky references and nods, not legitimate continuity.

If Doom's gonna connect seriously to another id property it'll be the Quake reboot.

[fair tangle]

The next id game should be a Wolfenstein with a old BJ

[merry pine]

Is TAG 1 and 2 canon?

[azure oriole]

Yeah

[halcyon fog]

Not anything against Hugo and those helping write but I hope that if they do reboot Quake, they switch up the writing team and Hugo has less control over the story. Just cuz they are bound to become too similar if its the same team. Also I feel like the campy silly nature of Doom really wouldnt fit with Quake

[little cape]

who manufactures all his bullets lol

[worthy grotto]

You really just asked whether tag 1 and 2 were canon?

[merry pine]

DLC's in games usually aren't canon, I was wondering if it was the same for Doom or not. I haven't played TAG yet.

[azure oriole]

Mixed thoughts on this. I personally love Eternal's lore and I think it fits Doom more than 2016's did, and I think Hugo's increased creative control over it is largely why that's the case.
That being said Eternal's lore is undeniably spotty, and my love for it is less because "holy shit this is so well-thought-out" and more "the themes and ideas here are perfect for Doom and its spirit". But are these things perfect for Quake? If the reboot's of the original Quake story and not the Strogg bullshit, then no.

[solid quiver]

misson select isnt canon right cause we just go back in time

[azure oriole]

TAG is an official continuation of Eternal's plot and ends the Slayer's saga as a whole.

[fair tangle]

They just kill DOOM Slayer in a DLC

[azure oriole]

Future Doom games, if they feature the Slayer, will be tonally very different and probably set after another soft reboot.

[worthy grotto]

Not every feature in the game is canon

That would mean cheat codes are in canon too

[merry pine]

Anything that you can do in eternal isnt canon except the actual story. he doesnt actually upgrade his suit with praetor points and use chesat codes and get weapon mods and runes.

[worthy grotto]

Maybe the weapon mods are part of the story

[merry pine]

Okay thanks I wasn't really sure

[fair tangle]

Hot dog mancubus is canon

[worthy grotto]

Unicorn slayer is canon

[solid quiver]

mullet slayer is him between 2016 and eternal

[halcyon fog]

I think the visual style and mood of 2016 would fit Quake near perfectly with some adjustments to add more lovecraftian whatever but The more cartoony and colourful nature of doom would certainly not mix with the OG Quake's dark fantasy, gritty tone

[merry pine]

I guess possibly, I mean finding the weapons around earth IS canon because VEGA comments on it when you're about to find the super shotgun.

[azure oriole]

Yeah I think I agree, and it's worrying because 2016-Eternal are already more Quake than Doom when it comes to their combat and pacing. I guess we'll see.

[halcyon fog]

I think 2016 was similar to quake combat but Eternal is just a new beast

[worthy grotto]

Their gonna add like a doom easter egg into the quake reboot and every body is gonna flip their shit writing up theories when it’s suppose to be a fun little reference e

[azure oriole]

I, for one, wouldn't be surprised if the Quake reboot straight-up doubled as a Doom sequel, with the Slayer going through the shit Ranger did in the original Quake.
The problem with making Doom so much like Quake is that when they reboot Quake they'll have to change that up a ton too, or they risk an identity crisis.

[fair tangle]

A Quake game with a terror vibe whould be nice

[azure oriole]

I'm unsure if id believes the Quake brand will still hit as hard as Doom did. I suspect its potential connections with Doom may be more than just happening in its universe.

[halcyon fog]

Yeah I mean I really, REALLY, hope that Quake doesnt get tied in with Doom. They need to have different stories and not just tie them all together into one Giant ID umbrella

[merry pine]

I think everyone here can agree that there are some moments where Doom 3 is terrifying. That jumpscare where the lost foul flies at you when the airlock door opens.

[solid quiver]

image doom eternal type graphics and style but doom 3s horror

[worthy grotto]

It’s like clover field all over again

I remembered when people said super 8 was part of clover field

[fair tangle]

With a deep universe like DOOM 3

[worthy grotto]

Hell I remember there was a theory that the Star Trek reboot was part of clover field

[halcyon fog]

I think Doom could continue down this more vertical combat style and colorful tone and setting whereas Quake should stick to brown and greyish looks and should keep it boots on the ground with B-Hopping and maybe even rocket jumping if they could balance that on modern hardware

[azure oriole]

I think it's inevitable Quake will end up tied into Doom - Hugo Martin has implied that Eternal's heavier focus on Lovecraft shit is because of this, and he specifically implied the Wraiths will tie into Quake

[fair tangle]

DOOM 3 is so boring. The jumpscares sometimes are just anoying

[worthy grotto]

Doom 3 is too slow paced

[azure oriole]

My personal ideal next Doom game, which I wrote up a concept summary for, is a Doom 3 style Metroidvania-paced side-game featuring the Intern after the events of TAG2 fighting against the remnants of the UAC Cultists using "Earth Demons" after Davoth's defeat.

[worthy grotto]

And the level designs are just god awful for its combat mechanics

[azure oriole]

Doom 3 is an amazing game and I will always stand by this. Great time despite a laggard first act.

[worthy grotto]

Remember when doom 3 first came out you had to manually switch to your flashlight

[azure oriole]

Yes, and this was a good thing. BFG Edition letting the flashlight be toggled was a mistake.

[solid quiver]

Only reason i dont play doom 3 is the first part after the portals

like no checkpoints hurt

[worthy grotto]

Hell no I want to play a doom game not Alan wake

[halcyon fog]

idk. Maybe they could outsource it but Hugo specifically said that the one thing they will never ditch and that is a staple of gameplay is Agression so I dont think they'll be slowing down Doom any time soon

[worthy grotto]

Hell alan wake felt more like doom than doom 3 did

[azure oriole]

Having to manually switch to the flashlight was important to its pacing because Doom 3's very focused on lighting and darkness, and you have to sacrifice being able to see the environment around you to focus on combat. If you want to go ham on demons, that's fine, but you'll have a hard time seeing them.
When BFG Edition added the new flashlight it broke Doom 3's pacing a bit.

Lots of shooters that released around the time Doom 3 did focused on lighting. Lighting was fancy, new.

[midnight sparrow]

It’s so obvious. Established that Hell exists in every universe and that there are multiple universes. In Sentinel Prime the Khan Maykr even states that she knows about the Doom Slayers home world in the 7th dimension.

[worthy grotto]

Oh boy here we go again

[azure oriole]

BFG Edition switched out quicksaving for checkpoints. Try playing the OG

BFG Edition isn't bad but I prefer the original.

[solid quiver]

i have the og i think meaning i could quciksave the entire time?

[fair tangle]

The narrative of DOOM 3 are just bad. The entire game is you walking in hallways killing demons with bad mechanic

[solid quiver]

i play ps4 so would the bfg logo appear at the bottom of the logo?

[worthy grotto]

They just funnel you into the most enclosed spaces

[halcyon fog]

I like to think that I prefer Quicksaving but Im not sure how I would really feel if Eternal added it in. Quicksaving immediately makes a game 1000x easier so idk

[worthy grotto]

The super shotgun wasn’t even in doom 3 until the dlc

[azure oriole]

I get the feeling you only played the first third of Doom 3. The game's action significantly ramps up once you get to the Bravo Team level.

Not to mention Resurrection of Evil and Lost Mission

[worthy grotto]

Resurrection of evil was fun I’ll give it that

[azure oriole]

You don't have the OG, that's BFG Edition / the modern Bethesda version, which is still BFG Edition but it isn't called that anymore.

[worthy grotto]

Especially with the Garry’s mod gravity gun

[merry pine]

The jumpscare sure as fuck got me, I jumped right out of my seat.

[halcyon fog]

yeah but I wouldnt say Doom 3 ever truly reaches a full on action game. It goes from pure survival horror to Action Horror I would say

[solid quiver]

oh rip

[azure oriole]

Yeah it's action horror. I love action horror.

[worthy grotto]

It was basically dead space

[solid quiver]

casue the first part takes so long to findih

[azure oriole]

The hard pill to swallow is that Doom 3 is more faithful to the original perception and idea of Doom than the modern Doom games are, to the point that Doom 2016 rips off a lot of 3's story, bordering on plagiarism.

[worthy grotto]

I mean not really

[halcyon fog]

idk I cant stand the guns in Doom 3. Every single one feels like the power of a stapler. Literally my least favourite shotgun in any game ever

[azure oriole]

It absolutely is.

[worthy grotto]

Doom 3 story has the same premise as doom 1

[merry pine]

REAL none of them actually even do much damage

[azure oriole]

Yes, because it was a reboot of Doom 1

[worthy grotto]

And 2016 is considered a soft reboot of doom 1

[fair tangle]

A finish the game and the final parts are funny, but at the ending I was tired of the combat

[azure oriole]

Yes, but Doom 2016 largely steals most of its plot points from 3.

[halcyon fog]

Maybe for what they intended to make yeah but what people actually got out of OG dooms gameplay is closer in spirit to eternal and 2016

[worthy grotto]

It copies off of the most generic plot points

[merry pine]

Because there originally wasn't much lore to doom until 2016, Doom 3 was just a scary reboot of Doom 1.

[worthy grotto]

Hell you can say doom 3 copies off of aliens

[fair tangle]

Aways a Imp behind the wall. Don't even scare me anymore

[halcyon fog]

Both Doom plots are a rip off of Alien as was the original game gonna be lol

[merry pine]

Well that first jumpscare got me.

[worthy grotto]

It’s not plagiarism if its basically just a watered down version of other plagiarism

[azure oriole]

You play as a Marine who must stop the forces of Hell from overtaking Mars. The demons got to Mars because one of the UAC staff is in league with them, and at the end said UAC staff merges with a demon lord to become a big fucked up monster. You're aided by a UAC executive who isn't a very good person but you've gotta work together anyway. There's a ton of background lore detailing how the base is an OSHA inspector's nightmare.
Did I just describe Doom 3 or Doom 2016?

[halcyon fog]

Its also a reboot first and foremost so its not like shocking that they replicate the plots

[merry pine]

Ohhh so that's why I have an alien mod for doom 1 that makes me scream "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD" in a high pitched voice whenever one of the aliens pops from around the corner

[worthy grotto]

You just described every sci fi horror movie ever

[azure oriole]

Lol what?

[worthy grotto]

Doom didn’t do it first

[halcyon fog]

Aliens Eradication? cuz that shits the best

[worthy grotto]

“Evil corporation messes with something they don’t understand, get shanked”

It’s literally the most generic story ever

[halcyon fog]

Doom plots are just the Alien series with more steroids lmao

[merry pine]

Idk, just some rando aliens mod that replaces the imps with the aliens and the marines with facehuggers

[azure oriole]

Yes but I'm specifically talking about plot points like "one of the UAC staff who is entrusted the majority of the facility actually starts working with the demons so they can be merged with a big demon monster". That's not someting every sci-fi story has.

[solid quiver]

yo i see the silly intern man rn

[halcyon fog]

ok yeah not that. Play Aliens Eradication its a complete overhaul mod and adds all new guns and maps and new tech shit like a heat sensor. Find a video from Icarus on it or sum

[merry pine]

It also has dif classes instead of weapons, the smart shotgunner is the most useful in my opinion

[worthy grotto]

Have you seen the movies from the 80s? They still do that now

[azure oriole]

2016's story blatantly is copying from 3's. Which is fine, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. What I'm saying is modern Doom's entire premise only exists because Doom 3 existed, so you'd better get on your knees and kiss Doom 3's boots for letting our favorite games exist!

[halcyon fog]

its still SUPER predictable tho

[azure oriole]

Even going aside from the plot point copying, Doom 3 was the origin of 2016 even introducing the Argenta as well.

[worthy grotto]

I would rather walk across the desert butt naked for 4 days then to do that

[merry pine]

Doom 3 may be the weird ugly cousin of the series, but the modern doom games would be a lot different without it 🗣️

[azure oriole]

I don't even like calling it that.

[solid quiver]

yo just defeated the maurader nightmare

[worthy grotto]

Didn’t they try to copy doom 3 mechanic but then scrapped it? After realizing how shitty it was?

[merry pine]

Nice, have fun with the rest

[fair tangle]

DOOM story is not creative so I will not kiss DOOM 3's boots

[azure oriole]

I'd rather play Doom 3 over Doom 2. And I'd rather play Doom 3 a hundred times than play the boring slopfest that is TNT: Evilution

[halcyon fog]

I genuinely think the appropriate name for Doom 3 is "the black sheep of the doom series". its still a sheep but yaknow

[halcyon fog]

Doom 3 over Doom 2? please leave

[worthy grotto]

You know what your right I’ll worship doom 3 as a warning to not be copied

[solid quiver]

if i get past the first part of doom 3 would i have more fun probably?

[azure oriole]

Well 2016 did it and 2016 rocks.

[merry pine]

I genuinely cannot get past the part of Doom 3 where you're introduced to the guys that throw fireballs, I've tried like 3 times but I keep dying

[worthy grotto]

I’m talking about the alpha version

[halcyon fog]

I prefer the Sigma version actually

[worthy grotto]

The atmosphere and gameplay was gonna be similar to doom 3 then they realized how dogshit it was gonna be

[azure oriole]

Doom 2's level design ranges from mid to actual dogshit, it never really uses its new enemies to their true potential, the soundtrack is a gigantic downgrade from Doom 1993.

[merry pine]

[azure oriole]

Doom 2's super important for what it added to the series but the game itself is a bit of a slog. Plutonia is much better at using 2's additions in level design.

[solid quiver]

why is doom 64 called doom 64 and not doom 3

[halcyon fog]

nah bro Inmost Dens is the best OG doom map

[merry pine]

because idk

[fair tangle]

DOOM 2 give to us the most satisfactory weapon of the franchise: double shotgun

[halcyon fog]

Yes I love the Double Shotgun

[merry pine]

Please tell me you're joking.

[worthy grotto]

All hail the double barrel shotgun

[azure oriole]

Games on the Nintendo 64 tended to call themselves shit like that. It's why Doom 64 wasn't super financially successful. The title "Doom 64" made people think it was just a port.

[halcyon fog]

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040804498588831834/1111861452744171590/image.png
Anyway, here. This is my opinion.

[halcyon fog]

Idk I think 2016 is overall a better game than Eternal

[solid quiver]

w Option

[worthy grotto]

Can’t even play 2016 anymore it feels slow now

[fair tangle]

I never played Final DOOM

[halcyon fog]

Eternal has the best Combat in any game ever but overall I give it to 2016

[solid quiver]

Doom and eternal are different and the same is so many ways

[halcyon fog]

its just 2 dlc map packs for Doom 2. One of them is amazing but incredibly hard and one of them sucks

[azure oriole]

2016 is a great game but I can name, like... two things it did better than Eternal - the way it tells its plot, and its multiplayer. IMO everything else is improved in Eternal

What Jake said. TNT blows. Plutonia rocks, it's Doom masochism and I love it.

[worthy grotto]

I think eternal has too many cutscenes, I liked 2016 cutscenes better

[azure oriole]

At least you can skip 'em in Eternal if you want.

[worthy grotto]

I think that’s what made 2016 cutscene good as it was short

[halcyon fog]

Idk I think 2016 has better setting, story, multiplayer and ESPECIALLY characters and dialogue. They absolutely wrecked hayden and vega in Eternal and Tag

[fair tangle]

I like the cutscenes

[halcyon fog]

some little things too like I think 2016 made much better use of powerups

[azure oriole]

That'll just be up to personal opinion. IMO Hayden was handled well in Eternal and VEGA's fine too I think.

[worthy grotto]

You press a button in eternal and a cutscene shows of a door opening somewhere or a platform being raised

[azure oriole]

I also think Eternal's settings are infinitely better. I love the colorful and diverse environments over 2016's constant bloody UAC base + rocky Hell levels.

[solid quiver]

is beating nightmare doom impresive

[halcyon fog]

bro Vega turns to corrupt false god and Hayden goes from exposition bot in eternal to corrupt false angel in tag

[merry pine]

Just got the exclusive quake items in eternal. Honestly they don't look that good, ig get them if you're a quake fan? If not, you probably won't like the items.

[azure oriole]

Yes.

[worthy grotto]

Welcome to character development

A simple concept but quite unbreakable

[halcyon fog]

thats not character development they dont change as people they just change on the surface cuz Hugo read a little too many fantasy books over the summer lmao

[fair tangle]

DOOM Slayer never got character development. Aways been betrayed by his on friends

[worthy grotto]

Either they become a static character or they actually become something better

I vote for the latter

[azure oriole]

Hayden gets absolutely embarrassed and treated like a fucking loser in Eternal, and this is a good thing. He's a narcissistic pompous asshole who treats human lives like worker ants and only cares to help people whenever it serves his ego. Eternal has him get his ass kicked and have him turn into the Slayer's forced ally, and that's good. He gets knocked down a peg.
Him being the Seraphim - also good. It posits Samuel's heinous ultra-capitalist shit as an evil so deep that it came from fucking angels, and his entire character rests on logic the Maykrs used just as much as the UAC did. Him and the Seraphim being one and the same makes sense.

I very firmly believe Eternal was the natural route for Hayden's character to go. I don't feel as firmly on VEGA, but I think he's fine too. I like the Father as a character.

[halcyon fog]

Yeah I also wish they became something better but they didnt Hayden just went from Corrupt, Narcissistic mad scientist cyborg to Corrupt, Narcissistic mad false angel. They didnt change anything to his character just added more depth to the explanation of who he is

[worthy grotto]

And then we kicked it’s ass what more could you want

[azure oriole]

Well yeah. I don't think Hayden naturally would change. 2016's ending cements that.

[halcyon fog]

ok we aint gotta get political this is doom lmao lets just stick there

[worthy grotto]

You say that yet complaining about Hayden’s character change

[azure oriole]

I don't think "a robot making people work seven-day work weeks is bad" is a very radical statement lol.

He's a bad guy. He's a fuckin' villain even if he thinks he isn't. And he won't change no matter how many people die - 2016 shows us that. Eternal doesn't develop his character because Hayden as a character does not develop. TAG1 shows us more of that. Like with the Slayer giving him that side-eye when Samur tells him to "be grateful" that he gets to help him again - he is getting goddamn sick of this asshole telling him what to do, and by the end of TAG1 Samur gets what he deserves for it.

[halcyon fog]

I didnt want him to but it would have been nice to get some explanation as to why he is the way he is or some backstory as to his relationships with others other than "He is this race and did this terrible act this one time a billion years ago"

Also Doomguy not killing Hayden was the stupidest, most anti-doomguy thing ever. Made me pissed

[azure oriole]

I kinda liked it.

Gives him more depth.

[halcyon fog]

He punches a field drone out of anger but then spares the villain of the story for no reason

[azure oriole]

Wait do you mean in TAG1?

[halcyon fog]

idk I think Markipliers take on Doomguy was spot on. He should have been the betrayer because that would give him a lot more depth, make him deep by giving him a genuine human mistake and would explain his pure hatred for all demons

[halcyon fog]

yeah when he spares hayden

[azure oriole]

Well I don't even know if he definitively spares him. He certainly hesitates, but he has the Doomblade out and ready.

The Father just saves him before he does anything.

[halcyon fog]

he legit lets Hayden teleport away

[azure oriole]

I do think the Slayer would've killed him had he not teleported away. But he hesitated and that hesitation shows depth.

[halcyon fog]

yeah but its not deep. Theres no reason to spare Hayden. Dark Lord is a tragic figure and has depth but then gets stabbed in the chest whereas Hayden who is just corrupt and fucks over doomguy gets spared for no reason? its just dumb

[azure oriole]

Hayden made him who he is, though.

[halcyon fog]

Yeah Hayden was part of the cause of his rage and shows no redemption or sympathy or anything so why would Doomguy feel bad for Hayden?

[azure oriole]

I don't think he feels bad for him, nor do I think he spares him. I think he just... hesitates, long enough to think about it for a minute. Which is the same thing he did to Davoth. Only one of them gets away, though.

[halcyon fog]

Idk I really do think that he chooses not to kill him and Vega is the one who teleports Hayden away, not that he escapes

[azure oriole]

I'm moreso saying he's hesitating and the Father uses that hesitation to teleport him away.

Samur is a complex figure because he's a narcissistic piece of shit asshole, but he also did mean well, and his actions led to Doomguy being the Slayer. He was the one who got him in the Divinity Machine, and he has consistently been there to help the Slayer solve problems, even if he's been the cause of a lot of them.
He's a guy who is usually the cause and solution to a lot of the problems in modern Doom. That's a little conflicting, and I think it's worthy of the Slayer taking a couple seconds to go "hmm... should I do this? Could he still be useful to me?"

It's the same reason why Davoth's a complex figure too - he originally had good intentions and those good intentions festered into madness and hatred for literally everything that wasn't his cool kids' club of Immorans. Passion turns into evil. I'm sure Doomguy had a few seconds to think about that too, before going "well whatever let's get this over with" and stabbing him.

[halcyon fog]

thats fair but I still stand with my thing with markipliers stance. It would have been much more impactful for Doomguys story if he was the betrayer and not some side character

I think the "oh he may have had a family who never gets named and those bastards killed Daisy in doom 1" just isnt enough for a legit story of genuine hatred and rage

[azure oriole]

Mixed feelings. I can get why someone would prefer the idea of him being the Betrayer, but I think the Slayer being the Doomguy cements all of Doom as this neat little saga, and is a cool way to keep the older games still relevant in the eyes of modern fans. I think there's a good amount of fans who played the OGs because this is the same Doomguy.

[halcyon fog]

yeah but they could have changed up the story of the betrayer to fit doomguy

[azure oriole]

When I think about the Slayer Daisy's not much more than a fun little refererence in my mind. As far as I'm concerned, the core of the Slayer's fury and rage is because he's a noble man who is infuriated at the murder of innocents, and the demons took the Argenta away from him.

Not enough people mention the Argenta when bringing up the dude's backstory. Guy lost an entire culture he'd just begun to feel at home with after the original games - that's pretty fucked.

[halcyon fog]

yeah but thats not something ppl can really relate to. "You things killed my son and I will NEVER stop killing all of you because you took the only thing I love away" is a lot better than "You things are killing everyone and its now my duty to take care of business for the good of the human race"

[azure oriole]

I just prefer this, because we see it as like - this cascading thing across the series.

In Doom 1 it's like "Fuck yeah we're a big badass and we gotta fuck these demons up!"
And then in 2 it's more of that.
And then in 64 suddenly it's "You have absolutely catastrophic PTSD from coming into contact with Hell, to the point that as soon as you come back all you can do is scream maniacally and kill. You decide to stay because this is all you know anymore."
And then with 2016 we get this big badass wordless demigod who sometimes shows whispers of a deeper personality, someone who cares about these dead people and wants to save innocents (like VEGA) and is fucking furious at Hayden for trying to justify these deaths.

And in Eternal we see why. Because the Argenta lore shows that - it gives us the Maykrs, who are basically everything bad about the UAC and Hayden on meth, and it gives us the Argenta, who define themselves by the qualities he defined himself as.

And in that lore, he gets torn away from them too.

So with this story we get this cool progression of wacky 90s action story but every few minutes you get hit over the head with something uncharacteristically grim, and you realize it's the story of a dude who has spent millions of years killing these assholes because they fucked him over 18 times too many, and he's not letting it happen to anyone else anymore.

[halcyon fog]

I think they could have kept the connection between the games while also making him the betrayer. Something ab him remembering his family or something like that and then he has a moment of weakness and makes a deal with hell, gets betrayed and is now eternally (pun) filled with boiling hatred and will never show any remorse toward demons or those who stand with em

[azure oriole]

It's just nice. Neat progression. One of the better silent protags in FPS games.

[halcyon fog]

and then with him being the betrayer, there could be story ab him being even more of an outcast in Argent D'Nur and then that makes the Immora scene that much more powerful cuz they forgive him and fight the greater evil yadayadayada....

[azure oriole]

I can see where you're coming from, yeah.

[halcyon fog]

idk I just think they kinda ruined him by leaving him as super 1 dimensional

a mistake of that nature would show us that hes also, in a sense, still a human and can fuck up

[azure oriole]

But would things like him hesitating to kill Samur also not display that same idea? That at the end of the day, he's still human and maybe he's not always acting logically?

[little cape]

Do you think Doom guy gets fire sauce w his taco bell order?

[merry pine]

yes

[iron citrus]

Please somebody help me with getting the doom coop mod

to work. I'm in the lobby with my friend and the only map I can load into is the fortress of doom

can you guys send me a command to do icon of sin?

[charred crystal]

He gets even spicier

[little cape]

I figure maybe he get tired of hot stuff

only eats cold deli food

[granite lichen]

if i wanted to hit an fps past 60 fps what should i go for?

im on the deck and im using cryoutilies and deckyloader to adjust perfomance

[tepid wasp]

he didn't kill Samur bc we need a 3rd doom game and we need a final boss

[gritty solstice]

does the year one pass also include doom eternal itself

[astral salmon]

How can i kill a marauder fast

[lyric isle]

Holy fucking shit

Icon of sin is huge
And hard to fight

I got halfway through his armor and died

[astral salmon]

yea

i mean he has the power of all sins so

[granite lichen]

hey battlemode is giving me errors is there a fix for it?

im on the deck

[chrome remnant]

i somehow did it first try lmao

[lyric isle]

i died so many times i got a headache and had to stop
I WAS TWO PIECES AWAY FROM PHASE 2 BRUH

[chrome remnant]

have you completed it yet?

[lyric isle]

no
im takin a break cause my head is throbbing with pain for some reason

i'll try again after lunch probably

[chrome remnant]

alright, when you go back to it use the bfg on his armor it basically 1 taps it

[lyric isle]

yea

thats what i been doing
but every time i miss a single shot
and hit the other 3

you got any clue what deals the most damage after bfg to his armor?

[astral salmon]

im so close to killing khan maykr

bruh

fucking maykr drone

fucking hell finally

[tacit orchid]

PB/Ballista quickswitching

[lyric isle]

PB?

[tacit orchid]

Precision Bolt

[lyric isle]

ah

[tacit orchid]

If you ain't into that kind of thing, FA, despite of bad thoughts of the mod around, is actually pretty good on IOS

[lyric isle]

FA??

[tacit orchid]

But yeah you want fast damage output, PB quickswitching, it takes time to learn and it can get too addictive once mastered

Full Auto

[lyric isle]

ah

[tacit orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIut4maSr6w
Just one of the many examples

Now advising Ballista on Icon, cause its both hitscan and useful on distanced targets that have weird wobbly movements such as Icon does. But generally, these PB combos depend on your situations.

[astral salmon]

bro i hate tyrants

ive been shooting him for 2 hours and some imp comes and kills me

[smoky cave]

should i buy the ancient gods 1 and 2?

[jolly kernel]

Blood Swamps was a really good level

[acoustic lark]

still yes

[jolly kernel]

it's brutal as hell also

[smoky cave]

just what im lookin for

i sent that noone responded so i spoke in genral

[jolly kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9_LnJMEaRQ

anyone here thinks the arena at 23:45 is kinda brutal?

[astral salmon]

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PROGRESS IN FINAL SIN

[limpid lichen]

Practice

[astral salmon]

what do you mean practice its literally impossible to prgoress

theres a arch vile and a marauder

[tacit orchid]

It's the final level, what do you expect...

[tacit orchid]

And yes, my favorite from the whole TAG saga.

[jolly kernel]

it honestly feels very satisfying killing Spirits

even as ghosts, Summoners can't escape from dying for the second time

[tacit orchid]

Shame it doesn't introduce with a possessed Baron anymore but ah well xD

[jolly kernel]

I actually lost a live for the first time to that one Possessed Baron in the arena I mentioned

[tacit orchid]

Although no, you have a HK first before it. But still, on one of the sections before one of the large arenas there used to be a possessed Baron.

[astral salmon]

how tf do you get past this shit

[tacit orchid]

Reduce difficulty if you feel too overwhelmed, don't get too egoistic

[tacit orchid]

Well even more fun is letting it jump to smth else or challenge yourself by trying to kill heavies before they can jump to them

[jolly kernel]

one time I tried to kill a spirit but the ammo for the Plasma Rifle ran out

[tacit orchid]

That can happen a lot

65 cells should be the minimum now though to have so make sure to chainsaw smth before you'd say you're on the verge of killing a possessed

[azure oriole]

uaca is actually so easy
blood swamps spikes up the difficulty a lot

[azure oriole]

75*

[tacit orchid]

Ah yeah, but I do remember it used to be bit more before the "nerf" to 75

[astral salmon]

holy shit finally i got the marauder

[jolly kernel]

what do you guys think of those Eyeball Turrets?

[astral salmon]

very easy, they fire too slow just dodge the things they shoot

[tacit orchid]

2 charge DB bait.

[azure oriole]

pb ball

[tacit orchid]

Or that.

[jolly kernel]

I saw a meme about the Summoner not returning in Eternal

well, that meme sure didn't age well

[tacit orchid]

It never did technically.

Spirit is not the same. And Summoners were quite pathetic xD

[astral salmon]

holy shit

finally im progressing

[azure oriole]

what level

[astral salmon]

the final sin

there was a archvile and a marauder, i died like 10 times and i finally got it

[jolly kernel]

I feel like TAG 1's arenas are more cramped compared to the base game

[azure oriole]

final sin is easy if you use crucible a lot and there are many pickups too

[azure oriole]

uaca final arena:

[tacit orchid]

Even that one is not that extremely huge

[astral salmon]

i didnt find any crucible charges

[azure oriole]

well big enough so that i dont get my azz kicked

[azure oriole]

in the final fight against sin there are many

[astral salmon]

ok

[jolly kernel]

well, I think it counts in a way

they are the same enemy lore-wise

[tacit orchid]

Visually tiny bit maybe, but not in mechanics.

[azure oriole]

summoner does the same pose as archie

[astral salmon]

why is the missions name ''final sin''

[jolly kernel]

isn't the Summoner just a much weaker Arch-Vile

[astral salmon]

isnt doomguy doing something good why is it a sin

[jolly kernel]

referring to the Eternal Archie

[tacit orchid]

You ever played original Dooms?

[azure oriole]

becuz icon of sin

[astral salmon]

nah this is my first doom game

[tacit orchid]

Skipped 2016?

I can see now why you struggle.

[astral salmon]

lol

[tacit orchid]

• lorewise it will not make sense, as in this example case xd

[astral salmon]

anyways, any problem with that?

me not playing the older doom games?

oh shit oh shit oh shit im fighting the icon of sin

[azure oriole]

not really unless you wanna get into story and shir

[tacit orchid]

Depends. With Classics not really probably, though Eternal inspires quite a bit from Classic Doom, but 2016 is kinda important for context as to what is happening

[astral salmon]

which weapon do i use to destroy him

[jolly kernel]

anything

[astral salmon]

which one

is the most powerful against him tho

[azure oriole]

bfg and pb rocket or pb ballista or pb ssg

[tacit orchid]

Hitscans if you want guaranteed hits on the parts, SSG, Ballista, Full Auto mod (yes that's actually good against FS)

[azure oriole]

save bfg for second phase

[jolly kernel]

I wouldn't be surprised if a big part of why Spirits exist is so the plasma rifle can have some use

[tacit orchid]

It overall does, I Beam comboed a lot.

You can pull some cool shit with Beam. Beam the Marauder dog to quick falter for a ballista shot eg.

[azure oriole]

bit situational but works

[astral salmon]

ok

[tacit orchid]

And just simply overall stunlocking, good for annoyances as sneks

[azure oriole]

barons dont have as much health as j thought

[tacit orchid]

Or you learned to deal with them faster xd

[azure oriole]

ye ig
2 lock on and ssg ballista

there are faster ways but it works mid combat

[tacit orchid]

For a newcomer, it can be a bulletsponge, tyrant even more, Possessed Tyrant not even mentioning

[azure oriole]

yea and im glad there is only one of them in the entire dlc

[tacit orchid]

Great PB combo practice though

[azure oriole]

tyrants are also not that hard to deal with
probably easier than a baron

[tacit orchid]

For sure, the only dangerous attack can be the guided projectile

[azure oriole]

ye

[tacit orchid]

Sometimes has hit me in places I wouldn't expect, other than that just dash from wah wah laser and...do the pentagon attacks even actually do anything, I had a feeling it has never ever hit me

[azure oriole]

true it just lands mid air

[astral salmon]

bro why are there so many demons

[azure oriole]

well

[astral salmon]

it didnt have that much previously

[jolly kernel]

apparently, The Holt has a Possessed Marauder in it

[azure oriole]

in slayer gate

[tacit orchid]

Yet again, its the final level what do you expect lol

[astral salmon]

oke

[tacit orchid]

Mhm, but honestly it's just a bigger bulletsponge. Time well and you won't notice the fastness too much

[azure oriole]

i find uaca slayer gate is harder

[jolly kernel]

and then the Blood Swamps has a Marauder that is buffed by a buff totem

and you have to kill him to open the cages containing the Totem

[tacit orchid]

That I did actually find bit worse than the Possessed one.

[azure oriole]

buffed marauder moves funnily fast

but dies to same amount of bullets

[tacit orchid]

That funnily fast part is why I did, Possessed was just way more spongy

[azure oriole]

ye

[tacit orchid]

• in more cramped area, the gate has some space at least

[twilit geyser]

guys wait

someone needs to test this

[high nebula]

I have never been as sweaty playing a game as I have with Eternal. Still fumbling keys trying to quick swap but I am getting better... is there anyway to just open an arena were I can just practice against AI?

[twilit geyser]

what if you had no crucible pits and u killed the icon of sin would it like still just do that cutscene

[azure oriole]

probably keep loading checkpoints before killing final enemy?

[twilit geyser]

or would there be a different cutscene in which u have to like redo the fight

[tacit orchid]

Yes, cutscenes are simply cutscenes, no effect on gameplay

[jolly kernel]

I tried to quickly kill the buffed Marauder with that pb + grenades + slob strategy and it of course didn't worked for the millionth time

he used his shield as always

[azure oriole]

sylar is just too good ig

[astral salmon]

is there A FUCKING ARCHVILE?

[tacit orchid]

If you do wanna do it this way exactly, there was a map mod for this, unfortunately not remembering the name

Or if still possible, get into a comfortable arena to practice, spawn with console, requires bit of knowledge, but effectively it's the best way of what you wanna try to achieve

[azure oriole]

naturally learning combos through combat feels better

[tacit orchid]

Of course you can do that, spawn certain combos you want, unfreeze the AI, and...unleash :))

[jolly kernel]

that strategy isn't made by Sylar though

[astral salmon]

ok yay i destroyed all of his armor

[azure oriole]

i saw zero masters videos and he does a double lock on thing on the marauder

[tacit orchid]

Certainly doable

But if I can say anything to newcomers, don't try to replicate these techniques unless you're absolutely sure you wanna learn them, make best of what works for you

[azure oriole]

right and i always ssg ball on any marauder

its the easiest

[tacit orchid]

I also still SSG Ballista stuff, easiest and comfiest combo to perform here

As PB combos have a downside and that is once you master it there's no way back from it xD

[azure oriole]

can anybody help me, ı unlocked THE ULTIMATE BLUE KEY milestone but ı still didnt get my reward can nayone help me

[azure oriole]

most used weapon mod is surely pb

[tacit orchid]

FPS also important, I'm on an oldschool 60, more issue to perform PB combos on there, but also "difficulty" is easier thanks to it xD

[astral salmon]

YEEES

I DID IT GUYS I KILLED ICON OF SIN

[verbal oak]

Nice

Now Get dlc

Is doom underrated?

[astral salmon]

no moni 😔

[verbal oak]

Ouch

[astral salmon]

maybe ill buy it its like 70 bucks here

[verbal oak]

Jesus

[slow sigil]

wait for sales

[astral salmon]

i miss vega 😔

[verbal oak]

Wanna know pain?

[astral salmon]

go on

[verbal oak]

I completed campaign on extra life with 9 lives extra

And it was last second As well

Im gonna become doom slayer lol

[astral salmon]

ok im buying ancient gods

yk what would be cool guys?

if we could collect the heads of the hell priests and the bosses we fighted and we could put them anyywhere in the base

wait theres two ancient gods?

[acoustic lark]

lmao

i like that idea xD

[feral kernel]

yep

[still ginkgo]

Well, we don't have toilets in the base. I do not know where else I could put the heads.

[astral salmon]

lmao

[azure oriole]

taxidermied hell priest heads

[slender cedar]

I need some help, Ive lost my doom Eternal save file. I lost it just before the Gladiator boss fight. If someone has it, please send that to me

[azure forum]

Youve watched too many Predator movies son 😆

[astral salmon]

nope

[gritty solstice]

is doom eternal gonna have anymore events?

[azure oriole]

No.

[vivid nest]

no more rip and tearing

[slender cedar]

Can I download doom eternal save files? With a specific checkpoint

[vivid nest]

depends

[slender cedar]

Or does my save file get saved on cloud

[azure oriole]

Hey guys 'sup?

[vivid nest]

probably cloud

[vivid nest]

hi

[slender cedar]

I need the one before Gladiator boss fight

[slender cedar]

How to access that

[vivid nest]

its either on cloud, or files or its gone forever

[vivid nest]

idk i dont use good computers!!

[slender cedar]

Not on my Files

[gritty solstice]

:(

[slender cedar]

Wait I found it

@vivid nest Thanks bro

[vivid nest]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-terminal-montage-gif-18704698

[jolly kernel]

which type of powered up Marauder is harder to fight, buff totem buffed or Spirit possessed?

[slow sigil]

spirit for sure

totem maras arent that hard

just more annoying mostly

[astral salmon]

totems are easy

[jolly kernel]

man I fucking hate Marauders so much

a lot of the one-cycle tactics on them I tried of course just don't work. they somehow break out of the stun, use their shields and block my rockets

what's even more confusing is that sometimes they keep being stunned and thus die as they should be

it almost feels like the game itself is cheating against me

I mean come on, are you guys able to see any difference between these 2 videos of the same strategy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9bkTwRPt1Q

[slow sigil]

i think you barely didnt redirect his shield with that nade on time

[manic temple]

sup guys

[verbal oak]

I’ve been speedrunnning dark lord for about an hour now for fun

[manic temple]

cool that boss is fun

i love it

[verbal oak]

He easy lol

[manic temple]

vary ez

easier than con maker

[slow sigil]

you guys forgot the "un" infront of fun

[verbal oak]

Khan makyr was hella easy,

[manic temple]

ik

[verbal oak]

Maybe easier than dark lord on nightmare

[manic temple]

ya

[slow sigil]

nah definitely, just lockon and she falters without a chance

[verbal oak]

Yea, lock on is best mod for khan makyr

But the lock on does 3 shots on dark lord for about one shot on khan makyr

3 lock on shots to dark lord = 1 lock on shot to khan makyr

But hammer + lock on op

[manic temple]

ya super op

[slow sigil]

both are on their own already OP

[verbal oak]

Mhm

[manic temple]

the crucible blade is op to

[verbal oak]

Crucible could’ve been done better

IMO

[slow sigil]

crucible is super boring to use though

[verbal oak]

Yea

[charred trail]

I saw no difference, cacodemon in the back shooting at you may have caused something? Idk

[merry pine]

how tf are you even supposed to win a battlemode match as slayer

[astral salmon]

how am i suppossed to kill 2 marauders

[merry pine]

it should be 2v2 instead of 1v2

[jolly kernel]

it usually happens even when there's no any other enemies with the Marauder

[astral salmon]

at once, fuck this stupid ass dlc

[verbal oak]

Yea especially with screechers respawning

[slow sigil]

are you PB swapping or nah

[astral salmon]

dumbass dlc bro

[merry pine]

I don't fucking care about PB swapping, that's not gonna really help me

[manic temple]

i am going to change my pfp and name

[verbal oak]

I did it with one point of health left

[slow sigil]

yeash man sure, it reeeeaaaallllyyy wont help you to actually kinda kill the enemy

[merry pine]

Fast swapping?? No my problem is IM AGAINST 2 PEOPLE AND IM ONLY ONE FUCKING PERSON

[slow sigil]

yeah? are they slayers aswell or are they demons and therefore weaker individually?

[merry pine]

I've survived longer as a demon then as a slayer

[slow sigil]

if it was 2 slayers vs 2 demons with no changes to demons it would be even more dead because slayers get free wins assuming they arent playing it before main campaign

[merry pine]

I still don't understand how swapping fast would help me, my problem is I'm a fucking idiot and only one fucking person.

[jolly kernel]

and no, I noticed that the Marauder already used his shield before the Cacodemon's fireball was getting close to him

[astral salmon]

aight ez enough

[slow sigil]

because you could actually get around to get them death and the support demons would die quicker aswell

the entire point of the gamemode is to kill the enemies, now take a guess why killing your enemies faster can maybe help you

[merry pine]

Regardless, I wouldn't be able to remember any fancy techniques. Fuck, I don't even remember to use grenades, freeze bombs, and flame belch unless I'm reminded.

Also I suck at aiming

And I'm too slow

and I'm one person against 2 people

[slow sigil]

well if you know all these things why are you wondering how you're supposed to win, you already know it

[slow sigil]

except for this part, because iirc it was mostly slayer sided if everyone knows what is happening

[merry pine]

I am literally incapable of winning as slayer unless I'm up against two new toddlers.