doom-eternal

[azure oriole]

If people are arguing in good faith they usually account for contextual things like that.

[slow sigil]

i can if it's directly stated

[azure oriole]

Like the slayer is capable of killing the icon. I don’t think he’s more powerful than the icon however.

[halcyon fog]

My argument is that you cant say that your personal interpretation is correct and everyone elses is wrong

[slow sigil]

it's barely interpreting it at that point and more just... reading and understanding the english language

[azure oriole]

Then I think we should account for those here, in which case we have to acknowledge that 99% of the Slayer's feats weren't accomplished via his awesome strength or whatever - he accomplished it via strategic applying of guns and having an everlasting will.

[halcyon fog]

Im literally agreeing with you

ppl can and will get different things out of their experience with the lore

[azure oriole]

The Slayer does have superpowers and shit, yes, but you don't need superpowers to hold a double-barrelled shotgun and pull the trigger. The core of the Slayer's character and feats are not that he's super strong and fast- it's that the Slayer is shown to be incredibly dedicated, persistent, and passionate. He never, ever gives up, and he is obsessed with killing those who are hurting innocent people.

The superpowers, simply put, are a contrivance to justify cool shit like glory kills. The essentials to his character are his will and fury.

[halcyon fog]

theres no text document written by all the writers that explain the entire history of doom lore and only use objective language. All sources are unclear

[slow sigil]

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Codex

[halcyon fog]

I have already said that Doom's codex are written from the perspectives of characters in the universe and then are interpreted by fans of the series. Kinda hard to fish "fact" out of that

[azure oriole]

This is a case-by-case basis. There may not be a source 100% canonically proving if the Slayer's a Primeval or not, for example. But there are objective, undeniable facts about the Slayer that you can glean from the story: He is a man; he is the original Doomguy; he is feared and hated by demons; he is super, super fucking angry.

[azure oriole]

Sure, especially pre-NuDoom, but really my point is that he is “godly” in the sense of being very, very powerful. Physically and mentally. He isn’t a invulnerable god though. Whether it be with his fists or his weapons he can best hell (most of the time anyways).

[slow sigil]

that's when you go "the lore is shit"

[halcyon fog]

huh?

[azure oriole]

Then there is proving wrong false claims. For example, "The Slayer beat the Great One with his bare hands," which is a claim many Doom fans say. This is 100% objectively a false claim. That isn't to say that it's impossible that he could've done this; moreso that the story never, ever, ever says this.

What it says is that they both fought and the Great One fell. Any assumption that he did so with his bare hands is just that - an assumption.

[halcyon fog]

Im just saying that stuff we know about doomguy, for the most part, is from another character telling it to us. Of course thats fine its not like that means its totally dismissible, Im saying we should keep an open mind and remember that

[azure oriole]

Man, that's very cool and all, but I'm talking pragmatically here. The Slayer is objectively the original Doomguy. You cannot dispute this. Or, you can, but I'll think you're silly for it.

Whether there's room to interpret otherwise, Eternal blatantly tells you he is.

[slow sigil]

imma start using midnight as my source

[azure oriole]

No, I'm gonna keep saying "objectively". The story of Doom tells you, for a fact, that he is the original Doomguy. To argue otherwise is to argue in bad faith.

[halcyon fog]

I also believe this, its very obvious they want you to know it. But I'm saying, who's to say that isn't a different doom guy who also wore that armor and whatever. At no point does it actually say; "Doomguy fought demons and then returned to earth and killed the icon and then went to hell and stayed there and then got trapped and then woke up and pushed a monitor."

[azure oriole]

Then if you want to believe that, cool - but that's called headcanon.

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-18630914

Headcanon is not based in fact or evidence, it's solely just what you want it to be. I have those! They're cool.

[halcyon fog]

lore accurate caco

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-twerk-gif-25604234

[azure oriole]

That's a fun gotcha! But I meant better things to do than try to make people mad, which I do. I'm not trying to make people mad. I'm engaging with the discussion.

I enjoy talking about Doom, so I'm talking about Doom.

I 100% get room for interpretation in stories. I love stories that leave room to interpret plot points and let people draw different conclusions. But that doesn't mean everything in the story itself is wishy-washy and can be ignored as you please. There are indisputable facts within this story, just as there are indisputable facts in every story, because stories have frameworks to them.

I am aware. I'm just not really vibing with it, or see the point.

[halcyon fog]

"hes not vibing with it"

fair point

[azure oriole]

I get what you're trying to do. I just think it's silly, and you're overcomplicating it.

[halcyon fog]

thats what IM SAYIN my guy

[azure oriole]

The story has factual plot points to it. Some shit is up for interpretation. Some shit just isn't.

[halcyon fog]

thats true but you are mixing up what is fact and what is not

[north oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[azure oriole]

I just take a while to get to the point. You're taking less time to say what you want to say, but the conclusion you're making is, IMO, overcomplicated, and acting like everything in the story is up for interpretation is silly.

[halcyon fog]

what you'e saying, however, is that YOUR interpretation is the correct one

[azure oriole]

Genuinely, provide me an example of this. What interpretation, specifically?

If I'm saying an interpretation of mine is correct, I'm sure I can explain what in the story led me to believe it is correct.

[halcyon fog]

you havent even provided a point in like an hour. Just defending yourself by saying that you are an expert on the topic and know more so we should just trust you

that is some big pharma behavior right there

[azure oriole]

Then what point did I say was correct...?

Why do I get wrapped up in these stupid conversation gonna jump off a cliff

Taking this chat with me

[halcyon fog]

Ill join u lmao cant deal with this anymore

[azure oriole]

You just said I'm saying my interpretation is the correct one, but, my interpretation of what specific point?

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-throwing-kratos-penhasco-se-jogando-pulando-gif-18914872

[halcyon fog]

idk mf sum about Zombies and super armor and icon of sin ion remember. My point was never about the contents of the argument, it was about your approach. I could not give less of a shit about how strong doom guys chest piece is

[halcyon fog]

classic

[azure oriole]

Dude I'm sorry but I addressed all of that shit. I think you're being really vague about it - you're selectively only choosing to remember the times when I acted pretentious, but not when anyone else in that discussion was.

Like, with the super armor thing? I did provide a source for that. Same with the Icon thing.

[halcyon fog]

Cuz I havent seen anyone else act prententious. yeah Han called that person a Pigeon and thats not good but thats literally it whereas you have written paragraph after paragraph ab how we should all just listen to you cuz we are just regular doom fans who get the lore wrong and not like you

[azure oriole]

I also literally said that I do not do that when people are just wrong - I specifically mentioned that Hans was being pretentious and rude while repeating misinformation.

I don't see the point in repeating the same things I already addressed, man.

Fighting urges rn

[halcyon fog]

"repeating misinformation"

[azure oriole]

Yes. I also specifically outlined what misinformation.

[halcyon fog]

Yeah but its just your belief.

[azure oriole]

Hugo

[halcyon fog]

my point exactly broski

[azure oriole]

listen to m0nologue NOW!!!!

[azure oriole]

No. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040804498588831834/1108854566990123038/image.png

This is misinformation. This is a claim being made as if it's objective fact, and Doom never said this.

[halcyon fog]

this is true he does have the yellow name we should stop

[azure oriole]

The yellow name's just a Special Guest thing. I don't have any authority over you.

[halcyon fog]

it means he boosted but I mean its the same as writing the story so lets just lie down

[azure oriole]

I'm not boosted either, it's just a funny color.

For this specific thing I'm using the Codex file "Praetor Suit" as a source.

[halcyon fog]

bros about to link his own Wiki

[azure oriole]

No, but nice try!

[halcyon fog]

All I'm sayin is that I am also a big Fromsoftware guy and in the fromsoftware discord, there's plenty of dudes who will argue and argue and argue about their point and put everyone down until its just depressing and then big surprise get proven wrong

[azure oriole]

The Praetor Suit
UAC REPORT FILE HGFLTGTV

Additional relics were found in the tomb alongside the Doom Marine. Some incantation tablets, and an ancient combat suit which was given a name: the 'Praetor Suit'. When found, it was encased in an inscribed stone tomb. **The suit was extracted from the rock, cleaned, and subjected to numerous tolerance tests, and found to be almost impervious to any damage. **It appeared to have some mechanical function as well - small receptors on the gloves and chest plate that attracted Argent plasma and dissipated it through capillary tubes in the substructure. Markings on the armor were also consistent with images of a man (or humanoid) seen in several tablets and stones found on other expeditions. The same markings were also noted on the Helix Stone.

Despite it being clear that the suit can be activated in some way, no method has been found to do it. It appears to be missing a component, likely the Doom Marine himself.
Hans specifically said that the armor is stated to be impenetrable to any conventional means, and his skin is at least relative to that. This is misinformation, because this is never stated. What is stated is that the Praetor Suit was found to be almost impervious to any damage conducted during tolerance tests by the UAC's labs.

[halcyon fog]

dont be so sure

[azure oriole]

All conventional means was wrong on my part, but if we look at the codex it did undergo tolerance tests. Mind you this was by a well funded and highly advanced UAC using argent energy to power its own weapons and society.

[halcyon fog]

He just aint getting it

https://tenor.com/view/fed-up-im-of-you-gif-24805995

no, m0no

[azure oriole]

Man, I don't even want to get into this, because I know Han was wrong, and the point I was making was that I was irritated that he was being wrong while also convinced he was right, while also being rude to a friend of mine.
But even that doesn't matter because the dude apologized, so I don't really even care about that anymore. It just keeps being brought up.

[halcyon fog]

man you the one who's written more text than History of the Sentinels in this

[azure oriole]

Honestly hard to pull any conclusions from that because the nature of the tolerance tests are so vague, but it’s not as if it was performed by some scrappy underfunded science team that just stumbled on the suit.

Typing is more convenient for me. The server doesn't allow screenshots unless I upload them elsewhere and embed the link. Copy/pasting is inconvenient on a phone, which is what I was on earlier.

[azure oriole]

My opinion is that given the Praetor suit's precious nature and how rare it is, the UAC would not be willing to go further than simple, easy tolerance tests. I don't see them pointing a BFG at it, for example. They would just want to test if the outside material can be pierced by, perhaps, standard gunfire or blades.

[azure oriole]

A BFG? Probably not because it was undergoing development. Everything else is pretty much conjecture though.

[halcyon fog]

yeah that doesnt mean anything. You cant just use "I just couldnt see them doing this" as solid impenetrable evidence

[azure oriole]

It's a good thing I did not, then!

[halcyon fog]

his argument for them not doing BFG testing was that he just cant see them doing it. I wouldn't have any problem with that if he wasnt so certain that hes correct that he'll insult others

[azure oriole]

Because what if it incinerates the armor? They just vaporized a highly valuable artifact.

[halcyon fog]

I wasnt the one he was insulting I just think that is a very unhealthy way of thinking

[azure oriole]

But I'm not certain I'm correct on the BFG thing lol, I'm positing it as my opinion. The only thing I was certain I was correct on was the zombie thing, and I only insulted somebody who was insulting somebody else.

We don't know what they did - only that it was "tolerance testing". That could've meant anything from a scalpel to a landmine.

[halcyon fog]

ok so you intended to insult just Hans but said something along the lines of "You people are a dime a dozen. Just regular doom fans who think they know what they are talking about but spread misinformation." Paraphrasing but still seems a bit more broad to me

[azure oriole]

This was not intended as an insult. I see people spread misinformation while not knowing they are spreading misinformation all the time in this fandom, it's a natural consequence of the story being written with the precision of a wrecking ball.
It was intended only as an observation. I apologized to Han for coming off as a dick for it.

[halcyon fog]

Ive nothin to feel bad ab I never did any insulting Im just tryna understand the mindset which clearly I never will so whatever lets drop

https://tenor.com/view/dropped-the-ball-kangaroo-funny-animals-woah-wow-gif-11297788

[azure oriole]

“Argent Energy is produced by neutron activation of Argent plasma, a new and powerful substance that was discovered on Mars. This produces an exothermic reaction where recorded temperatures within the plasma have exceeded previously accepted theoretical limits. Through a process not yet fully understood, Argent plasma remains stable and self-contained throughout. Conventional nuclear power is obsolete. What used to take a nuclear reactor 12 months to produce can be generated in a few seconds by the Argent Tower and packaged into an Argent Accumulator no larger than Samuel Hayden's hand.”

Argent is hotter than anything known in existence, and doomslayer absorbs it without issue. Not necessarily a kinetic feat, but this alongside doomguy and the suit being strong enough to resist attacks from demons that turn humans into red paste with ease were the reason why I didn’t believe zombies should actually be able to do anything to doomguy in lore (with armor on at the very least).

Thinking back to that hell knight hologram

Just shreds that one dude no issue

[halcyon fog]

does it ever actually touch his skin tho? He always touches it while wearing armor so maybe it would fuck him up but it only powers up the armor?

sum like that

Explains the enhances speed lmao

[azure oriole]

I’m assuming it’s the armor’s energy absorption capabilities and the slayers natural strength working in tandem

[halcyon fog]

The Doom Snorter

[azure oriole]

Sentinel/wraith energy is pretty potent as well tbf

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-jessie-jesse-walter-white-gif-18718878

[halcyon fog]

is there a reason why Argent energy in 2016 is lightning-ish whereas sentinel in eternal is more magic beam-like. Prolly just a stylistic choice but maybe its something to do with the different usage of those 3 wraiths in 2016

[azure oriole]

Sentinel energy is basically just pure wraith energy while argent energy is a combination of wraith energy and hell essence so different properties

[halcyon fog]

yeah thats what I was thinkin

[azure oriole]

True

[slow sigil]

you clearly have never take a sentinel crystal up the ass yet

[azure oriole]

Don’t think I want to

[halcyon fog]

question is: Where is 2016 Argent D'nur in compared to the rest we see in eternal. Argent D'nur generally has the same aesthetic but the one in 2016 is very hell like so is that any different cuz its a completely different skybox with different structures and everything

[slow sigil]

pretty sure 2016 argunt is just a small part of argunt that has been transformed inside of hell

[azure oriole]

2016 Argent D'Nur is a region of the planet that was sucked into Hell.

[halcyon fog]

maybe the original invasion point too?

[azure oriole]

Parts of the planet were sucked into Hell - not just that specific area, but part of Exultia as well.

[halcyon fog]

ah

[azure oriole]

I assumed it was a Deimos situation where part of Argent D’nur was transported into hell itself

It's most likely the Elemental Sepulchre if you want my opinion.

[slow sigil]

pretty sure that was terras

[azure oriole]

It's Taras Nabad but it's actually not.

Samuel Hayden says Taras Nabad was the first site of demon invasion on Argent D'Nur, but he is wrong and it's a frustrating plothole.

The Codex says it was a different town, Telorum.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866937468279193610/1108861372772647042/IMG_2547.png

[halcyon fog]

true

[slow sigil]

what if telorum is a place inside of teras

[azure oriole]

Specifically, the Codex says the Unholy Wars waged on for a while before Taras Nabad was eventually attacked by the Dreadnought. Whereas Samuel Hayden implied it started with Taras Nabad.

[slow sigil]

it happens irl, where a city slowly swallows a town and then it becomes an "area" inside of the city

[azure oriole]

DE has alot of weird plotholes. Like how is hell creating argent when Doomslayer killed the corrupted wraiths in 2016?

[azure oriole]

Possible, but IIRC both are referred to as separate cities.

[slow sigil]

but how do you know the dreadnought was the ONLY battle in teras

[halcyon fog]

Hi I'm Saul Goodman. Did you know that Deimos floats above Hell itself?

[azure oriole]

They're able to just grab more Wraiths. The Maykrs have free access to the World Spear and they're in league with Hell.

[halcyon fog]

bfg go boom

[azure oriole]

The point in 2016 wasn't to permanently shut down Hell's Argent-making - just to disrupt it to stop the portal.

[halcyon fog]

bfg go boom. but on the other hand, unmaykr go brrr

Im just reciting the lore

😂

[azure oriole]

Gonna grab a wraith real quick be right back

[halcyon fog]

If 3 Wraiths can provide perfect power for a galaxy, imagine what the entire spear full of them can do. Maybe figure out if they tested BFGs on doomguys armor? likely not

Halo CE is so good. Dont love the other campaigns but CE is the goat

what?

ah

343 is one of the best levels in FPS history

thats the one with flood moment

[azure oriole]

CE’s campaign is borderline mid

[halcyon fog]

I think Dooms overall lore is great but the implementation of it was bad. History of the Knight Sentinels should have been like 3 pages lol

[halcyon fog]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-doctor-meme-gif-23263243

[brittle furnace]

l0l

[halcyon fog]

the CE rocket launcher might just be in TOP 5 FPS weapons of all time

so good and HELLA satisfying

that too

ultimate combo was rocket and magnum and then in 3 it was rocket with BR

[azure oriole]

Doom has interesting concepts but it does feel wasted on the final product

Modern doom hell got very close to the feeling I wanted at times but it didn’t quite hit the spot

[halcyon fog]

RK (normally does comedic doom content very funny) did like a 30 minute lore sum of all doom lore and it was VERY well made

[azure oriole]

Link?

[brittle furnace]

Still to play 2016 Doom... looks ight on Reddit

[halcyon fog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuBT5KluSTw&ab_channel=RK

[azure oriole]

I’m thinking of doing my own reinterpretation of doom history and visualizing it.

Through paintings and drawings

[halcyon fog]

idk. eternals open scene was obviously sick but I dont think anything can beat the 2016 elevator scene

[azure oriole]

That’ll come later though still have to develop my skills

Something more grimdark and spiritual but merges elements of science fiction

[halcyon fog]

pure combat isnt as good as eternal but I would say it is overall a better game cuz it has better story, dialogue, cooler music and setting IMO. Definitely give it a try

[azure oriole]

I don’t really care for the creation myth in doom and the locales/demon lords of hell are horribly underutilized

[halcyon fog]

also the 2016 version of E1M1 is better. Way more punch

[warm mica]

I fkn love the "demon is an offensive term" joke

[halcyon fog]

That was a good one but her voice gets rlly annoying after like 300 hrs lmao

[warm mica]

Yeeeeeees

[azure oriole]

I’m at kadingir sanctum in 2016 and I will say Eternal is a vastly better game in most regards. 2016 is worth peeping but not because it’s better.

[halcyon fog]

the fact that the joke acc created controversy is proof that games like doom need to exist

[azure oriole]

I have played 2016 before but it’s been a few years so I’m replaying

[warm mica]

tHe aRc hAs fAlLe

[warm mica]

I didn't know that

[halcyon fog]

HE breathes IS breathes DOOM breathes breathes

[warm mica]

Bro

These annoyed me

This one i love

[halcyon fog]

Best OST

[azure oriole]

Agree

2016 tells its story better and Samuel is cooler. Those are the only things I think it has over Eternal.

[charred trail]

Eternals gameplay works better for the speed

2016 feels much slower after eternal

[azure oriole]

This actually ties into my own theory on the Wraiths and their origins, being that I think they're the "answer to immortality" that Davoth wanted from the Maykrs.

[charred trail]

Well to be fair 2016 was the first step into the pool and we went straight to Olympic diving in eternal

[azure oriole]

IMO Doom 2016's intro is the perfect distillation of the Slayer as a character and what he represents to the story.

As a homage to the first game's theme plays, we see the Slayer pumped up after battle, only to fly into rage when he sees the corpse of an innocent and a robot asshole trying to justify it to him.

[charred trail]

2016 doomguy feels like he has more personality rather than just angry powerman in eternal

He doesn't feel constantly angry in 2016

[azure oriole]

I like both.

Eternal Slayer has his introspective moments as well, like in TAG1's ending, or TAG2's Davoth fight. Or kneeling to Novik.

[mossy canyon]

Why am I only realizing now that the Doom Slayer's color scheme is exactly the same as Shaggy's?

It's no wonder he's so powerful.

[charred trail]

Same, but I just kinda prefer 2016, the starting cutscene, the first thing he does is check for casualties, and how to repair the satiate, and when Samuel interrupts him, he just tossed the screen to the side and heads on his way. In eternal, the mars core, he chokes some dude out using the lanyard and keycard to open the door, and steals some dudes gun, he doesn't feel quite the same, bad example I know but yea

[charred trail]

Very

[halcyon fog]

dont you mean NORVILLE

[charred trail]

[mossy canyon]

Ah yes. NORVILLE.

So wait, did the demons kill Scooby?

[halcyon fog]

Scooby = Daisy confirmed

[mossy canyon]

His Fortress is just an overhauled Mystery Machine.

He glory-kills demons for Scooby-snacks.

[halcyon fog]

bro the Hugo Doom Eternal streams were the absolute best. Im goin back and watchin all of them again. Also helps that the time in between Tag1 and Tag2 was the peak of the community

was a legendary moment

[half burrow]

which file is the music located in?

[azure oriole]

Stealing that dudes gun is hilarious

He doesn’t need it at all he just felt like stealing this poor dudes only defense from a demon

[charred trail]

It is but I wonder why it plays the animation when you first get it, maybe that's where they planned to give it to you?

[azure oriole]

They originally did but then they must’ve realized that’s way too late in the game

But they never bothered to change the cutscene so it comes off as really odd

[solid quiver]

Yo finally level 100

[halcyon fog]

it was made only for the Gameplay demo but it was just too cool so they left it in even tho it doesn't make sense

[azure oriole]

Eternal has a lot of small things like that that are evidence the game was restructured at the last second.

Nekravol was the Tower of Babel during development, Erebus was cut and replaced with Kalibas, the Archvile scene with the Crucible was cut (and moved to before Taras Nabad), plus the Plasma Gun thing.

[halcyon fog]

yeah but the plasma gun wasnt a last minute thing they just thought it was too cool to take out

[charred trail]

Kinda wish they left the archvile cutscene, just randomly spawning in taras nabad is lame :/

[azure oriole]

I don't mean the scene itself - moreso that I think Mars Core was moved from a different place in the campaign.

IMO we were either going to get the Crucible earlier on or Mars Core was going to happen later in the game.

[halcyon fog]

yeah maybe but it wouldnt make sense to give you the BFG at any other point. Super gore nest was for sure meant to be late game tho

[azure oriole]

Oh yeah and the cut Kalibas, Cultist Zombie, and Deagic Talisman Codex files.

[halcyon fog]

Yeah I wish Kalibas was different. Even just some flailing tentacles and a legit boss health bar would have been cool. Maybe like shoot the 4 eyes one time and then his shield temporarily shuts down and then its like a 3 phase fight and he gets more aggressive

[charred trail]

Kalibas?

[azure oriole]

I did think the Tower of Babel would’ve been a far more fitting name

[charred trail]

Oh the sorter thing brain

[azure oriole]

The tyrants being slavers that kept the sentinel slaves in line and the tower itself being hells link to heaven

Referencing the original Tower of Babel

[azure oriole]

Originally it was going to be the Tower of Babel - the one where you fought the Cyberdemon in Doom 1993. Erebus is implied in the Art Book to be the Archdemon of the area you explore in Doom 1993.
We were essentially going to return to the original area of Hell we first explored.

I'm unsure why that was cut. Possibly because the Tower of Babel is implied to have fallen to ruins in 2016; maybe because the lore was changed a bit to accomodate the TAG shit. I dunno!

[charred trail]

That would've been WAY COOLER than Nekroval I and Nekroval II

[azure oriole]

Yeah. A Codex entry notif pops up when you kill it but it is absent from the game. Same with the Cultist Zombie

[brittle blaze]

Anyone have any tips for realigning the parts to the portal? I'm stuck trying to get to the last one and can't beat the demon's

[azure oriole]

Kalibas just being a brain was underwhelming considering how many giant fleshy brain enemies we’ve fought already

It's not even that it's a brain, it just doesn't do anything interesting at all

[midnight sparrow]

I’m not sure. I’ve never bothered looking since uploads can be found on YouTube

[azure oriole]

The only cool thing about Kalibas is his moniker

“The Unseeing Judge”

Pretty rad

No Erebus is definitely a disappointment.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866937468279193610/1108889855271911464/IMG_2548.jpg

Fueled by lard

[half burrow]

what are the file names of the main DOOM Eternal OST tracks?
(in the game file form)
(EX: icon_music_boss_end_1_id#679091008)

[thorn turret]

Hi everyone,

[azure oriole]

Hello

[thorn turret]

I have a question about doom eternal and the sentinel batteries

[azure oriole]

What about it

[thorn turret]

well... I was unlocking the things on the base and well, I have a spare battery

I don't know if I missed something or one should be left over because yes

[azure oriole]

You’ll get a few spares you can’t do anything with them

DE gives you a lot of spare praetor points and batteries so the players who don’t explore much can still unlock most of them

[thorn turret]

I mean, what I have in 1 battery is it just an extra battery?

That all?

[half burrow]

yes

[thorn turret]

I was going around the base going crazy for 2 hours looking for where to put that battery

[azure oriole]

Yup

Don’t worry about it you’re good. I ended up with 4 spare batteries at the end of my playthrough

[thorn turret]

Thanks you

And a have a other cuestion, what is better? The BFG o the Desmaykr?

[half burrow]

BFG

[azure oriole]

BFG

Unmakyr is just kind of… not good

[lethal fable]

BFG

Unmaker is... I don't even know how to describe it

[azure oriole]

Honestly don’t know why they included the unmakyr when they couldn’t balance it properly

Add a separate ammo pool for it or something

[lethal fable]

Unmaker has been in Doom 64 if i remember

[thorn turret]

I understand...

Well that is all, is my first time in complete doom eternal, and try to pass the game in nightmare 100% in the first try (after try the Ultra nightmare)

[lethal fable]

Hm, the more demons you kill the more fuel

[azure oriole]

It’s only vaguely similar in design and name but they’re very different mechanically

[lethal fable]

Doom eternal nightmare is pretty ez, but 2016 is a real challenge, atleast for me

[azure oriole]

64 Unmakyr was designed around finding the upgrades in secret levels so while it wasn’t great initially it would become busted

[lethal fable]

I beat it a few weeks ago

[lethal fable]

Ye

[thorn turret]

I have both

In nightmare

[lethal fable]

I ain't even gna try 2016 Ultra nightmare

[azure oriole]

I think the slayer gates are fun so the unmakyr is just a nice bonus

But definitely not worth it if you don’t enjoy the slayer gates

[lethal fable]

Slayer gates give you alot of enemies, fuel for adrenaline to keep you playing

[azure oriole]

They’re very well designed. Balance difficulty and fun super well.

[lethal fable]

Yes

[thorn turret]

But is really funny... exept the first...

I suffered a lot with the first door

[lethal fable]

First one is an imp killing massacre

[lethal fable]

Why not try ultra nightmare

[thorn turret]

My first time in doom eternal I wanted to try it in nightmare to see how it was going and thus enter ultra nightmare

"Practice makes a master"

[carmine plank]

i just killed the icon of sin in nightmare

[azure oriole]

Nice

How many tries

[halcyon fog]

Depends on what you want. BFG is better but is kinda a gimic weapon. Unmaykr is just a super plasma rifle with very limited ammo. I dont like to BFG so I always use unmaykr

BFG is certainly better tho

But if you rarely use it then whats the point

[thorn turret]

My objetive now is....

beat the symbol of sin and hit it so hard that it changes the language 9 times

and be able to say at the end: "El infierno me la mamo perra "

[halcyon fog]

What is Symbol of Sin

[azure oriole]

An instrument I think

[halcyon fog]

I looked it up and Symbol of Sin means apple

So perhaps

[thorn turret]

Sorry, my bad, icon of sin

[halcyon fog]

Nah Symbol of Sin is better

Can we an Icon of Sin thats red and has a stem on his head

[modern vale]

Sometimes I play doom eternal when I'm nervous
even though it doesn't work, it can take some stress

[thorn turret]

play doom... inside doom eternal

Why? Why not? it's funny

"you bought doom eternal because you wanted a triple A

I bought doom eternal to play doom 1 and doom 2

"

(nah the extra ps plus gave me the doom eternal xd)

[azure oriole]

Unmaykr is the definition of gimmick weapon

I don’t use bfg often but it’s useful in a pinch

[thorn turret]

Jajajajajja XD

"I bought a metal music album and it came with a free game"

Tru

[frigid cypress]

#753516685813874688 lmao

[thorn turret]

but the Spanish channel cannot be accessed

[azure oriole]

[frigid cypress]

Es una locura

[thorn turret]

Tremenda locura ( is really crazy )

[frigid cypress]

jaja

[vagrant estuary]

What's the size of a cacodemon? I really wonder because you guys know that glory kill where doomguy literally climbs up behind a cacodemon and stabs it's eye?

In the glory kill it looks pretty small

[flint flame]

???

I see the average new-doom player intelligence hasn’t improved since I was last here 💀

[thorn turret]

What?

[flint flame]

Let’s say 7 feet

[thorn turret]

Sorry my english is not the best, i try to understand

[halcyon fog]

They both are but BFG is more “super weapon” whereas a Unmaykr is just like a really good base weapon (if it had more ammo)

[halcyon fog]

I cant tell if ur makin fun of me or the people who got offended

[midnight sparrow]

Idk about actual lore size numbers but comparing the in game models. Cacodemons are pretty big when compared to Doomguy

[charred trail]

Uh so I glitched the game somehow and now I'm in freecam on xbox

[turbid jetty]

nice

[charred trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106036515026522112/1108930150403416084/309b06fb-8f88-4e72-88b6-cf97fcdc5cab.mp4

Actually how I can float around

Here's a longer vid

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106036515026522112/1108933839927124038/0c110da3-432f-4c0d-8f0f-5bd87437437c.mp4

I have no idea how this happened

[brittle furnace]

delicious but too much time on the wall flesh

[charred trail]

Wha I had no idea what was happening

Bruh

[azure oriole]

Wall flesh yummmm

[halcyon fog]

we love us some tasty wall flesh in the Doom Eternal Discord channel

[half burrow]

favorite DOOM Eternal OST track?

mine is probably Final Sin - Sandy City

[dull herald]

the guitar in the menu theme sounds rlly rlly cool

[half burrow]

i still wonder why id rejected Final Sin - Sandy City from DOOM Eternal

its awesome

flaming hook super-shotty

thats how you deal with them

(and BFG)

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/ripperggs-shut-up-shut-the-fuck-up-shut-the-hell-up-shout-gif-17643874

[halcyon fog]

BFG10K or Super Gore Nest

[alpine plaza]

metal hell

[dull herald]

@azure oriole OK FINE I GEUST SAMUEL HAYDEN MEMES ARE NOT FUNNY HERE LIKE SHEEESH

[alpine plaza]

its like the millionth time someone has mentioned that joke

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[ornate reef]

Anything kills them in one hit, even attacks that only tickle other demons kill them

[quiet widget]

Roses are red, violets are purple, Halo is infinite, whilst doom is eternal

Just some random quote I found from the top comment on the only thing they fear is you

[azure oriole]

Imagine, if you will, the world's unfunniest joke.

[lapis saddle]

The Doom Slayer is always gunning for a chance to kill demons

[tepid wasp]

there's another problem like that right before the marauder fight in Final Sin

[jolly kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0U7LY2gsVc

reminds me of how Hell Knights sometimes fly towards the player when they die, it often happens with the pb

[crimson yarrow]

What's your main rune set-up?

My preferred 3 are air control, savagery and equipment fiend

I wish there was a way to activate air control from the start...

[frigid cypress]

I want air control on the ground

[azure oriole]

i would use blood fueled instead of EF
the other two are obvious choices

[crimson yarrow]

And to walk in the air?

[frigid cypress]

Nah classic doom style. No jumping

[crimson yarrow]

Blood fueled sounds like it would mess up my movement speed muscle memory

Plus there's already a skill/perk/whatever that automatically refills your dash after a glory kill

*suit upgrade

[frigid cypress]

Air Control
Dazed and Confused
Health on blood punch

I barely notice EF
Air control is a must for me
Dazed helps with staggering multiple super heavies
Health on bp is just ok for those clutch moments and getting a little bit of stack back

[azure oriole]

sometimes getting out of tight corners require speed

[lapis saddle]

I’ve been playing runeless and it’s been interesting. While not ridiculous like in the previous game, the runes definitely provide solid utility

[azure oriole]

the runes in this game are definitely not as op as 2016

Hey uh- I just started DOOM Eternal. Any tips?

[crimson yarrow]

I think equipment fiend is more effective if you tend to really spam equipment, since then the bonuses stack

Never actually tested this, though

[frigid cypress]

I barely notice it like I said, so I might be using it wrong, and i don't know the exact stats on it.

Health on blood punch is at least consistent and always works

[lapis saddle]

@azure oriole 1. Never stop moving. Movement is your main defense against attacks
2. Use everything in your arsenal. Every weapon has a specific purpose.
3. The best defense is usually a strong offense

[azure oriole]

Better then what I told myself. Cheers mate

[lapis saddle]

Ditto to you

[azure oriole]

I just tell myself to 'Shoot first ask questions never'

[crimson yarrow]

@azure oriole if you're playing on PC there are a fair few mods I can recommended

That I wish I knew about a lot sooner

[azure oriole]

I play on Xbox but thanks anyway

there is only one good mod for each weapon

[crimson yarrow]

Not that kind of mod

[azure oriole]

oh like mods

[crimson yarrow]

I mean modding the game

[azure oriole]

ye i gotcha

[lapis saddle]

Best shotgun mod is the grenade.

[azure oriole]

that should be very obvious

[lapis saddle]

For the most part, just pick whichever mod looks more fun and it’ll be fine, but you really need the sticky bombs

[crimson yarrow]

Though ironically one of the game mods make this statement incorrect by buffing the full auto

[azure oriole]

That was the first mod I got for the shotgun

[crimson yarrow]

And the charge time for destroyer also

[lapis saddle]

Great. You can ignore the full auto.

[azure oriole]

actually now that i think arbalest might be useful in some arenas

that one in mars core

with the many cacos

but destroyer blade is like obviously better

[lapis saddle]

I don’t use D blade at all. Hard to justify the charge time, especially for players like me who don’t use mastery upgrades at all

[azure oriole]

the second charge of the destroyer blade can take down carcusses which is pretty nice

and while in the air i dont see it as much of a problem to charge it
or while bunny hopping

I'm currently stuck on the part on Exultia with the statue with the sword. I got everything set I just can't make the damn jump

[lapis saddle]

I’ve never been able to get bunny hopping to work in Eternal.

[crimson yarrow]

Until you can't

[azure oriole]

oh so youre stuck on a parkour section

Yes

[lapis saddle]

I can think of exactly one situation in the game where full auto makes sense to use (stone imp parade in Immora).

[crimson yarrow]

Wait a while and return later

You'll know when, trust me

[azure oriole]

Thats what I'm doing

Cheers

the dlcs force you to use other weapon mods

[crimson yarrow]

And beforehand with stones in general

[lapis saddle]

Nah hammer does the job more easily

[crimson yarrow]

By the way, the way I have full auto set up it deals 25% bonus damage to non fodder and deals more damage the longer the fire button is held (not sure the latter one actually works, though)

@azure oriole in the first level you should be able to upgrade the shotgun twice anyway since you meet 2 droids before getting any other weapon

Full auto is a good damage dealer for the spider guys early on

[crimson yarrow]

I recommend ya'll to have horde hammer set up for everything (needing 4 charges instead of 2) if you're on the computer

[lapis saddle]

I skip that drone and come back with fast travel to get both ar mods early on. Full auto is strictly less efficient than stickies IIRC

I’m on PS4. I’m sure you can mod the game to make full auto useful but in the unmodded game it’s irredeemable garbage

[crimson yarrow]

Oh come on, it ain't that bad

Again, good for first arachs

[azure oriole]

i am afraid to install mods cuz i dont wanna mess up game files cuz ive done that once with 2016 and not even verifying steam files helped so i had to reinstall

[crimson yarrow]

Mod manager helps

[lapis saddle]

Like I said, stickies are still better for the early arachnotrons

[waxen field]

Is that pfp from Arkham City?

[crimson yarrow]

I like to sticky their weakpoints and then go in with a full auto finisher

[crimson yarrow]

Yes

[azure oriole]

once you get like really powerful weapons you kinda just ignore weakpoints

[lapis saddle]

I still hit weakpoints most of the time. Not so much on arachnotrons but definitely on mancubi

[crimson yarrow]

What are ya'll doing playing a fast paced shooter like this on console, I can barely play slow third person shooters with a controller

[lapis saddle]

Some of us don’t have gaming PCs

[azure oriole]

actually i think it is not that difficult if youve been playing on console for like forever

[crimson yarrow]

Unless you don't

[azure oriole]

but switch joycons... oh boy

[crimson yarrow]

At least use gyro aiming or something

[lapis saddle]

FPS on controller is harder than mouse and keyboard, but not by much if you’re decently used to gamepads

[azure oriole]

I've always played on console. Its a pain when starting a new game sometimes but its easy to get used to.

[waxen field]

Yea cause that game’s concept art all had that nice black and white theme going on. Anyways it’s kinda sad now how you can very easily ignore the archno turret now after the stupid dlc 2 nerf. I remember when that turret could easily shred you even as far as late game if you weren’t careful, now they shoot like a drunk penguin.

[azure oriole]

playing racing games is definitely better with a controller

[crimson yarrow]

Good thing a PC supports one too

[waxen field]

Nah you need the wii steering wheel

[azure oriole]

real

[crimson yarrow]

Emulators also negate exclusives which is probably why Microsoft and even Sony caved in and started porting

[azure oriole]

still no gran turismo pc port :(

fuck polyphony

[lapis saddle]

Gaming PCs are damn expensive though

[waxen field]

The trippiest racing game I’ve played (well it’s technically a platformer with racing sections) is: It came from the Crusty Crab on the Wii

[crimson yarrow]

Time to pirate the old fashioned way

[lapis saddle]

I’m fine playing on console.

The games I want to play on PC tend to have low performance requirements

[azure oriole]

also can i complain about eternal not being very optimized on pc

[azure oriole]

Promoting criminal activity

[crimson yarrow]

cough there is no ethical consumption under capitalism cough

[crimson yarrow]

No

Literally one of the best optimizations I've ever seen

It running at 120fps on my RX580 while looking this good is a technical marvel

[azure oriole]

is rx580 more powerful than a gtx 1650?

yep undoubtedly much better

but well the 1650 is the bare minimum

[jolly kernel]

I also have a rx 580

the game has the tendecy to have fps drops when too many particles appear at close-range

but yeah, most of the time, it runs great

this game still looks quite good even on the lowest settings

[crimson yarrow]

Also full auto is the easiest way to take out a marauder, especially for my ADHD

[frigid cypress]

Honestly I was a arbalest guy myself, but after seeing how DBLADE can just eliminate heavies and fodder, I kinda like it.

the only downside is a harder time against cacos and pain elementals, but I can live with that

[azure oriole]

fully charged dblade can take out caco

[slow sigil]

dblade is better against groups of cacos, a full charge still kills them and destroys groups even easier

[azure oriole]

Dblade is slept on quite a lot. Assuming it’s because it’s harder to master.

[charred trail]

I used that and micro missiles for my first playthrough because micro missiles were good in 2016, and destroyer blade looked awesome

I think I also used microwave beam

I used all the "bad" mods during my first playthrough

[slow sigil]

it's really not slept on though

[charred trail]

Except for sticky bombs and the lock on rockets

I kinda just choose whatever sounder cooler

[azure oriole]

Not by the “pros”, but by newer players I’d say it is

[charred trail]

So I want
A small heat blast? Or
A fucken LASER

[slow sigil]

neither ofc

[charred trail]

Do I want an air grenade or
a giant fucking blade of plasma that cuts shit in half

Do I want a chaingun shield
Or FOUR FUCKEN TURRETS

[azure oriole]

I see a lot of people getting it first because it looks cooler, then realizing that it takes environmental awareness to really use properly and on top of that is less effective without mastery, and then dumping it in favor of Arbalest.

[charred trail]

That's how I played lol

[azure oriole]

Was going through old Reddit boards and forum posts from when the game launched and that was the general sentiment.

[charred trail]

Nah I just didn't use aeroblast cause it was kinda hard to aim and the cooldown was long when I could spam sticky bombs and do about the same amount of dmg

And destroyer blade is just cooler

Instant stagger the hell knights, and get the arachnotrons to quite literally no hp

[brittle blaze]

Wait, are you talking about the crucible?

[azure oriole]

💀

[charred trail]

No

[azure oriole]

yes the crucible

[charred trail]

Ballista Blade Mod

[dull herald]

why this bloke keep swearing

[azure oriole]

Who cares

[slow sigil]

why do you not fucking swear at all, shit too hard for you? smh my head

[dull herald]

WHOAA

[azure oriole]

smh my head indeed

[charred trail]

"bloke"

never say that ever again

[dull herald]

sorryyy.....

[solid quiver]

bloke

[azure oriole]

blok

Fail

[brittle blaze]

Wait, why was hanz the one that got the language shit, when it was others

[azure oriole]

becuz some words are banned from use

[slow sigil]

depends on the words used

[brittle blaze]

Ah, ok

[charred trail]

Because his link had a banned word in it lol

[lusty pendant]

Even if Destroyer Blade was bad: style > power

[azure oriole]

This server has some interesting restrictions on cuss words lmao

Not going to question it

[slow sigil]

everything that goes close to being a slur is basically banned

[brittle blaze]

Y'all know the battle with the Khan Maykr? I was so close to killing her and I died as soon as I was about to get the final blood punch

[slow sigil]

and a few words that where spammed too much

[lusty pendant]

pain

[brittle blaze]

Yep

I'm going to kick her ass today

[charred trail]

Skill issue

[lusty pendant]

I once summoned a carcass in battlemode just for it to put a shield right infront of me and I died to self damage

[brittle blaze]

Nah, I just forgot to headshot the frickin what's it called enemies that would have given me some health

[azure oriole]

Lock on rocket and ballista obliterates the Khan Maykr it’s pretty sad.

[lusty pendant]

Yeah, after you figure that out, she's a push over

[dull herald]

dude, language

[brittle blaze]

The transforming turret and the Lazer gun get her down faster than that

[brittle blaze]

Seriously?

[dull herald]

yes seriously

[charred trail]

[azure oriole]

watch yo language boy

Crazy how DE base game bosses peak with the doom hunter

[charred trail]

The gladiator

[lusty pendant]

The Hunter has this shield and sledge thing going on, the others a just spiced up versions of shoot it til it dies

[azure oriole]

That amazing soundtrack can’t save it unfortunately

[white forge]

How do I get the golden slayer

[charred trail]

sadness also my favorite song in eternal lol

[azure oriole]

complete ultra nightmare

[charred trail]

Ultra Nightmare

[dull herald]

beat doom eternal

[white forge]

I did it 20 times but no golden slayer

[dull herald]

literal lie

[charred trail]

20 times

[white forge]

True

[charred trail]

Were you doing nightmare or ultra nightmare

[white forge]

Idk let me see

[azure oriole]

I believe you as much as doomguy believes seraphim

[lusty pendant]

You need to the whole campaign without dying thing

[white forge]

No it's 10 ultra nightmare 10 nightmare

[charred trail]

[azure oriole]

probably too good for the game
bethesda gonna give you diamond skin

[white forge]

I know there is 3 saves but I remember how many times I bet doom enternal

And I have the platinum trophy

[tame topaz]

oh cool the stealth update deleted all my profiles

sure no biggie let me beat all 8 levels of kaiser campaign again

[jolly kernel]

they really completely changed the Spectre's backstory huh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1109130553422250014/spectre.png

[azure oriole]

Two different kinds of Spectres. It's funny!

[jolly kernel]

I just love how you can absolutely delete even the strongest enemies of this game in less than 10 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y_VWij_x1s

[slow sigil]

smh you forgot the quad damage noob

[azure oriole]

satisfying stuff

[sweet bridge]

So uh I started playing doom eternal like 2 years ago and only came back like now so I forgot part of the story, also didn’t play 2016 so uh
Why is the UAC evil now I’m confused

[slow sigil]

part of them worshipped hell and now they are split between ARC (good uac) and uac (bad uac)

[sweet bridge]

ooh thanks

[tame topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksN0RdjjdQ

muruder

y u no embed

[azure oriole]

Honestly prefer that. Way too many of the demon variants were just “UAC experiments”

[ornate reef]

It's interesting how they made the Prowler teleport, seeing as that's what he did in the Doom 4 demo back in 2007. Sort of a callback.

[azure oriole]

I don't mind it for some of them, but it's interesting how they truly took a fuckton of demons in 2016 and made them UAC in origin.

Revenants, Spectres, the Cyberdemon...

[tame topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDcLKyyZxms

oh this one decided to show up

[jolly kernel]

in regards to all those Marauder 1-cycle videos, how does the Marauder somehow often break out of the stun and use his shield when he should not be able to?

like this one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=55bG8KCaDtk&pp=ygUdZG9vbSBldGVybmFsIG1hcmF1ZGVyIDEgY3ljbGU%3D

I literally do the same thing this guy shows yet somehow the Marauder often breaks out of the stunlock and uses his shield

[frigid cypress]

Speed?

[jolly kernel]

I’m not lying when I say I do the same thing he does

[frigid cypress]

I never said you lied. Just whether you're fast enough. Yes or no.

[jolly kernel]

I use the precision bolt, fire grenades, immediately switch to slob and no, sometimes he dies as he should do and sometimes he breaks out of the stun and blocks my rockets instead

[jolly kernel]

yes

[tame topaz]

holy fuck does yt take its sweet ass time processing a vid to HD or what

[azure oriole]

bro playing quake

[white forge]

How can I kill doom hunter quickly

[azure oriole]

press quit game lol

[white forge]

Hay not like that my boy

In ultra nightmare no takeing damage

[azure oriole]

idk watch zero master's video

[young mango]

Ice bomb then ssg punchswap, the mixture of ssg and blood punch knocks him off his sled ridiculously quick

[white forge]

What is an ssg

[unreal flare]

Super Shotgun

[white forge]

Oh ok

@young mango he is a true legend

[azure oriole]

It’s backstory I don’t mind for some of the demons but when it feels like over 1/3 of the demons are a direct result of the UAC it became a little much tbh.

a line in 2016 literally says
"weaponizing demons for a brighter future" something like that

[azure oriole]

The Tyrant's innards have cybernetics inside.

But it's cybernetics - it isn't inherently made of metal, but Hell uses machinery to augment it.

Yeah it's cool.

I cant imagine why uac decided to give revenants jetpacks

Cultist initiative disguised as a drive to "weaponize the demons".

even mancubi cuz they can jump on high platforms

Mancubi just use their cannon arms to propel themselves up.

[warped sage]

My Doom Hunter strats: meathook to him, throw an ice bomb while in close proximity, blood punch, and then continuously SSG and ballista him. Once his sled is gone, I do two lock-ons.

[azure oriole]

Its interesting that pretty much all the demons with cybernetics in 2016 and Eternal are attributed to UAC/Cultist experiments and don’t originate in hell, but like there’s plenty of demons with cybernetics in the classic games

Like the Arachnotrons

Eternals hell isn’t smart enough to actually create their own technology so I guess they just steal it from other realities.

[halcyon fog]

Anyone got any opinions on Cultic? Watched Civvie vids and it looks seriously, SERIOUSLY good so Imma get it after I finish Dusk

[halcyon fog]

I thought Maykr tech was based on Immora tech

[ornate reef]

I wonder why Soldiers (all types) have their weapons integrated into their arms. It's not like 2016 where its implied the gun is fused into their flesh but it seems to actually replace their arm.

[slow sigil]

made by the same person

real reason is time constraints but eh it's lore now

[azure oriole]

Does Immora interact with the rest of hell at all

[azure oriole]

Hell has never been very amazing at technology outside Immora. Their tech in the OG games is rudimentary and simple.

They prefer using UAC tech when possible.

[halcyon fog]

Wym

[azure oriole]

TAG2 implies that while demons may come and go in Immora, the city itself is largely secluded from the rest of Hell.

That’s what I assumed yeah

Seems like they have their little slice of paradise and they stick to it

[azure oriole]

why is it then called the capital of hell

is it because only higher caste of demoms can reside there

[halcyon fog]

Where does Blood swamps lie in relation to rest of hell. Is the different look and nature because its so close to the sanctum?

[azure oriole]

Because it is. The Intern implies it's a higher caste, yes.

[azure oriole]

It's on the outskirts of Nekravol.

[azure oriole]

Because it’s the oldest and most advanced place in hell.

[halcyon fog]

Ok but Nekravol is all dark and red and lava-y whereas Blood swamps is daytime

[azure oriole]

You can actually map out, like, 99% of Hell and its geography, or at least what we've seen of it. It's neat!

[azure oriole]

Well yeah, we visit them at different points in time, and the biome changes. Illinois is flat and windy but it's right by Missouri, which is full of hills.

Now I’m interested in knowing if Immora ever fell under the rule of an archdemon/dark lord in Davoths absence or if they answered to no one and just waited for his return.

[azure oriole]

IIRC Davoth has always had control over Hell even when he was just a voice. The four Dark Lords after him ruled in his absence but they still answered to his voice.

is the corrax tablet voice in 2016 also davoth or some other dark lord

Probably Davoth

[azure oriole]

Hugo says it's Davoth.

[halcyon fog]

pretty sure his like spirit still had influence over the will of hell

[azure oriole]

I say it should've been the Imperatrix instead and I think Hugo should've kept quiet.

I prefer the idea that it's the Imperatrix personally. Gives it more character.

[azure oriole]

It did, but since his physical form was gone there needed to be someone to be a stand in

Hence the successor dark lords

Yeah

Probably not the case but it is headcanon of mine that the spidermastermind in 2016 was the current dark lord of hell

[halcyon fog]

Idk Im glad with was Davoth who did the voice logs in 2016 cuz it leaves more doors open to his "successors" for the future. Would have been kinda lame if they had 2 dark lords who just talked and sounded the exact same

[azure oriole]

Actually, the game heavily, heavily implies this to be the case.

[halcyon fog]

they did worship her and stuff but then who betrayed her if she was the dark lord

[azure oriole]

The Aranea Imperatrix in 2016 is said to be all-powerful and without a corporeal form. She needs the body of an "infidel," as per the Eternal Lorebook, to gain physical form, and it's implied she was intended to be the leader of Eternal's invasion forces after she'd become the Spider Mastermind.

She becomes the Mastermind by fusing with Olivia, then dies. And as soon as she's dead, who leads the armies of Hell? A substitute - the Khan Maykr.

She was almost certainly the Dark Lord of the Fourth Age. The Codex says she's controlling the minds of all the demons in 2016, and she's worshipped to the utmost degree.

The Aranea Imperatrix. Carried in the mind of all who follow, fed from the blood of those who fell, made with bone of rock, iron, steel and sinew. **A mighty god to rule over all other gods. **One become two become legion.

[frigid cypress]

@azure oriole Could we ever get a drawn out map of the geography of hell? A visual or graph?

[halcyon fog]

was it not Davoth (his voice at least) who was talking with Olivia in the hologram in 2016

[azure oriole]

I don't know if I could draw one out because realistically we only explore a small fraction of Hell throughout the series, but in my personal opinion the modern games give us enough info to connect almost every environment in Hell that we've seen.

[frigid cypress]

According to Hugo yes, according to the game, probably not

[azure oriole]

Per Hugo, unfortunately, it is him.

Prior to Eternal I’m assuming it was meant to be the SpiderMastermind

[frigid cypress]

@azure oriole Where exactly does it say that the voice at the start of 2016 was Novik.
Before Hugo nonsense does the game give any proof of who it could be?

[azure oriole]

Yeah.

[azure oriole]

Before Hugo nonsense, no. He was the one who said it's Novik.

[frigid cypress]

@azure oriole Who would you have guessed?

[halcyon fog]

How could yall hate on Hugoot hes the goat

[azure oriole]

If Hugo hadn't said so, I personally would've come to the conclusion it's Novik anyway, or perhaps the Wretch?

[azure oriole]

[azure oriole]

Hugo Martin's a fucking awesome guy, I just think he has a tendency to asspull answers to lore questions people give him.

[frigid cypress]

My thoughts exactly. The wretch made the slayers armor, and empowered him to go against his demonic brethren who he betrayed.
I wish the wretch was explored more, seems like an awesome character lore wise. (maybe even personality wise)

[azure oriole]

Hugo’s a cool dude with some neat ideas but I don’t think he’s a great writer lol

[halcyon fog]

well yeah of course he does cuz the story makes no sense, never has and never will. That's just the way Doom lore goes

[azure oriole]

The seraphim is mentioned in 2016

[frigid cypress]

I like to imagine the speech at the start of 2016 is what the wretch said to the slayer, with them taking glee knowing the slayer would attack its demonic brethren somehow

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040804498588831834/1109184682903474246/image.png
Here's a screenshot from my guide in how I categorized the environments we see in the mainline Doom series.
Immora is Immora. Inferno is the area we explore in Doom 1993. The Great Steppe is a large plain of Hell comprising Kadingir's Sanctum, Necropolis, and the Titan's Realm; a 2016 Codex implies it borders Inferno, as the UAC found the ruins of the Tower of Babel after arriving to the Great Steppe.
The Umbral Plains is a huge region comprising the absorbed regions of Argent D'Nur; this includes half of Exultia, and the final level of Doom 2016. We can see Nekravol in the distance from Exultia, implying this area borders Nekravol.
Nekravol is a massive city featuring the Citadel. The Blood Swamps are implied to border Nekravol as Hayden says the corpses unfit for processing in Nekravol are transported to the swamps.

And then finally we have Doom 3's Hell, a void-place filled with cave systems and torture chambers, which is very standalone and can't really be tied to the other locations we've seen.

[frigid cypress]

Need this pinned, or at least In the pdf

[azure oriole]

that is actually impressive

I personally theorize the Great Steppe is also the area of Hell we explore in Doom 2. Doom 2's Hell areas are mostly underground and filled with that green sludge bullshit, which is very prominent in 2016's Necropolis; I think Hell absorbed parts of Doom 2's Earth that became the Great Steppe, and ended up turning it into a trophy hall.

[azure oriole]

iirc i saw the original resurrection of evil trailer and there was a hell section which looked a lot like nekravol

[azure oriole]

Yeah it's unclear. Doom 3 is stylistically a bit of a departure so, yeah.

I hope we get more references to it eventually.

[frigid cypress]

I need more Wretch lore. It's a shame and disappointment that this character is so unexplored

[azure oriole]

Oh, right! Also, the area of Hell we explore in 64 is also the Great Steppe. We know this because 2016 says Kadingir Sanctum used to be called the Blood Keep, which is one of the levels in 64, a big citadel.

[frigid cypress]

WRETCH

[azure oriole]

I like to think the Wretch is Valen

But I expect this answer to be Hugo'd away.

[frigid cypress]

I personally don't think so. The Demons speak of the wretch in an almost negative light. Almost as they dislike or hate it. I think they'd be rather fond of Valen who aided them during their conquest.
And he is the betrayer. I doubt they'd get their names confused

[azure oriole]

Valen makes the most sense to me as well. He has blacksmith esque equipment and has no issue making stuff for the slayer.

[sweet bridge]

is there an "At Doom's Gate" collectible? Man I'd love to hear that in eternal

[azure oriole]

C’mon

[frigid cypress]

BAN HIM

[azure oriole]

<@&162901871168585728>

[azure oriole]

Here is how I see it - Hell has complicated feelings towards the people they convince to betray them. They make fun of Olivia for being weak yet they build a statue in her honor. I think, after manipulating him into helping them, they may have seen him as an ally and call him the Wretch when he builds the Praetor Suit for Doomguy.

[frigid cypress]

<@&162901871168585728> BAD WORD THAT CANNOT BE SAID

[azure oriole]

Do not feed the troll.

[frigid cypress]

yeah just let em get banned, now back to it.

[acoustic lark]

oof

[halcyon fog]

bruh

"watch your language" 😂

[acoustic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/2021-garbage-trash-gif-24252544

[halcyon fog]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-trash-can-hide-jump-to-trash-gif-12324630

[acoustic lark]

Thanks for the ping.

[sacred dirge]

Betruger

[azure oriole]

Hell is a dog eats dog world doubt they have any fondness for anyone considered “weak” even if they help them

[azure oriole]

The Eternal Lorebook has the demon scripture decry Olivia as weak and foolish for listening to them. But in Nekravol we see a statue they've built of her.

[frigid cypress]

@azure oriole I will admit the argument for Valen being the wretch is better than it say being a demon or ally of the demon.

The Slayer shows no Mercy towards the allies of hell or any hellspawn, so I doubt he would tolerate one aiding him.
Also Valen being an armor Smith and being a weak wretch who betrayed his own kind for his benefit makes sense.

As much as I would've liked A demon or something to make the amor, Valen probably makes sense.
(The demon theory would also help my headcanon for the intro voice in 2016)

[azure oriole]

Really interesting stuff. Demons are weird.

Maybe the statue was built as a mockery?

Perhaps!

Like it is in Nekravol, where damned souls are tortured

[sacred dirge]

Olivia is just bootleg betruger

[jolly kernel]

I never noticed Olivia's statue in nekravol at all

[frigid cypress]

This is the idiot who helped us, let us all look at her while we laugh and celebrate our own conquest, as we exploited her and many others before her and in the future

[azure oriole]

They also fucking hate the Maykrs, the Lorebook mentions this too. Fun fact: the Lorebook was written during Eternal's production, and this passage implies the Davoth twist was planned far before TAG2 was made.

[sacred dirge]

We have betruger at home

[jolly kernel]

and it's apparently a statue of her crying too

[azure oriole]

Here, I can post the passage.

[frigid cypress]

The demons saw her as a tool, so why not make a monument mocking her, and showing one thing that led to their conquest

[azure oriole]

On an image of the Maykrs gifting the Sentinels Argent:

For in purity, there lurks corruption. In the virtuous, the snake of deceit whips a forked tongue. Let them praise their false gods, and croon under their anemic overlords. When the day of reckoning comes, we shall take their idols and turn them to our fettle. Even as the kin of the Abhorrent One worship their divinity, we wait, seething, devising our infernal intrigue. Then, they shall know the true meaning of godly power. They shall see that the false gods of the light-dwellers are but parasites on the tail of the Dark One.

Betruger is just Chad Olivia

[jolly kernel]

Betruger is the Palpatine of Doom villains

[frigid cypress]

My Brother in Doomguy the Demons are more than harsh!

[azure oriole]

Other things the Lorebook describes: The demons mocking Hayden unaware that he's the Seraphim + detailing Hell's invasion of a world called Drumavi + Titan lore + Mastermind lore.

Virgin Olivia Pierce gets used by a giant spider brain while Betruger becomes a badass demon lord

Betruger's awesome yeah. Lots of parallels between him and Olivia

[frigid cypress]

Doctor Hayden Samuel, Samuel Hayden, Sam Hay, Hay Sam, Hayuel Samden

[azure oriole]

Genuinely one of the best-written characters in the series.

Fun fact: Hell calls Pinkies "the Nameless," as tribute to Davoth.

[frigid cypress]

Explain please

[azure oriole]

The Lorebook's entry on Pinkies:

The snorting beast of the Umbral Plains, the Nameless, scent the blood as no other. Regard the dragging of the cloven hoof, for it is war-sign, and marks the coming of the prey. When wise to the quarry, they thunder to the fray, their jousting horns whet and stopped by the Keepers. Their ferocious snarling and chomping for flesh will break the knee of even the staunchest rival. The swine are faithful to the task, but mindless in their hunger. Husband them well, and when they smell the kill and the chain is dropped, marvel at the slaughter they bring.

[jolly kernel]

''Making progress, marine? Your journey is futile! You will die, and your soul will be mine!''

[azure oriole]

Hell considers the Nameless to be ferocious, terrifying beasts. Davoth is called the Dark Lord, but Hell took to calling him the Nameless One after he was betrayed by the Father, because the Father "took his name."

[frigid cypress]

Tbh might be just a coincidence, but I could see where you're coming from

[azure oriole]

“Welcome to my domain. Behold the shape of things to come. The time has come for the forces of Hell to escape their prison and drive mankind to darkness. Your darkest fear will soon be realized as your soul burns in Hell...”

[frigid cypress]

insert silent protagonist lack of noise here

[jolly kernel]

apparently, there's a structure in TAG 1 called Betruger Castle

[azure oriole]

There is.

There's another called Ishii Keep - Ishii is a scientist in Doom 3, the first we see become a zombie.

[jolly kernel]

yeah I know

[azure oriole]

Doom 3’s void being “disconnected” from the rest of hell is honestly a good setup for a lore explanation as to why the demons are so different

[frigid cypress]

The codex entries in Doom Eternal make the Demons seem like some sadistic folk. Pain Elementals inflict pain onto others as a way to cope with themselves being in constant pain.
Tyrants and barons are upper caste demons who torture and stuff others

[jolly kernel]

Betruger transformed into an awesome demon dragon, Olivia was used as the puppet of another demon

[azure oriole]

2016 explains the Doom 3 Hell Knights looking so different which is neat, but yeah a lot of the others are just different.

Doom 3’s Hell Knights are pretty different to 2016’s though

[azure oriole]

It's implied the Maledict was also a pre-existing demon that fused with Betruger, but unlike Olivia, the Maledict didn't use Betruger - they came to an understanding. Hell genuinely likes the guy.

[jolly kernel]

I initally thought the Spider Mastermind was Olivia's demon form but no, it's actually another demon that used her as a puppet

[azure oriole]

In terms of appearance, they're virtually identical - it's just powers that change, which honestly I think is just part of retooling them to be melee-only.

[frigid cypress]

Cause he had a Backbone and believed in his goal, unlike Olivia who's only goal was self preservation, and her obsession with Hell that came because of her weak mind, not her beliefs/morals

[azure oriole]

It's also that Olivia was a kind woman before Hell manipulated her.

Betruger is kinda implied to have always been a fucking psycho.

[jolly kernel]

funnily enough, both Betruger and Olivia finally got killed in a similar way

[frigid cypress]

Hell likes Psychos, not (insert term for Female Dog)

[azure oriole]

The Imperatrix didn't win her over with promises of world domination specifically - what won Olivia over was the promise of healing her chronic pain. Olivia suffers horribly from it thanks to her exoskeleton.

Hell promised her relief from the pain, and that spiralled into further cultish bullshit.

[frigid cypress]

She could've taken painkillers, but she didn't want to mess up her train of thought right?

[azure oriole]

Yeah, she was concerned the painkillers would cloud her judgment.

[frigid cypress]

Ah yes, the Painkillers will cloud her judgment, but definitely not hell lmao

[azure oriole]

They’re similar but I think they’re larger, and can throw fireballs like classic hell knights. Pure headcanon but I consider them to basically be the HK’s equivalent to fireborne barons.

[jolly kernel]

in regards to similarities, the Doom 3 Zombies and 2016 Possessed aren't much different from one another behavior-wise

[azure oriole]

Evolved separately in the void of hell to become larger and more effectively use hell energy

[jolly kernel]

Betruger met his end by having a powerful weapon stuck in his mouth, same with Olivia

[jolly kernel]

apparently, a Tyrant actually takes less shots to kill with the Unmaykr than the BFG

[tardy bough]

Who was the voice screaming NOOOOO after you beat the Khan Maykr? Was it her last dying word?

[frigid cypress]

that's the point of the weapon

[frigid cypress]

is mystery

[brittle blaze]

I'm pretty sure it was vega screaming in a glitched sounding voice, because remember when you plug him in to align the portals? He sounds just like that

[slow sigil]

It was supposed to be davoth, but they retconned it and likely is "megagod" now

[brittle blaze]

I finally beat the Khan Maykr, took me only 8 minutes after I loaded the battle up, and it took me about half an hour yesterday to get her to the last blood punch and almost kill her, and end up dead. How does that work?

[jolly kernel]

counting TAG exclusive enemies, Eternal has 48 enemy types

[frigid cypress]

The Slayer has no enemies.

[azure oriole]

he does

[frigid cypress]

They are only obstacles in the way of his objective

[brittle blaze]

No no, he has a point

[azure oriole]

no he hates demons

clearly says it in gladiator flashbacks and how he brutally murder them

[frigid cypress]

I can hate worms, doesn't mean they're my enemies. (only an example, me and worms are chill)

[acoustic lark]

Dunno how people struggle with the khan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC9FlYyi6_s

Literally just swapping between 2 guns

[azure oriole]

dude watched one episode of vinland saga and thinks no one has enemies

[acoustic lark]

You also constantly get health/ammo from the drones

[azure oriole]

actual cornball

[frigid cypress]

nope, just copying the meme cause it's funny and funny to mess with people

[acoustic lark]

that would make the fight at least a bit interesting

Khan Maykr but throw two gladiators into the arena with her

[halcyon fog]

I think you mean 48 fodder

[tardy bough]

I have struggled more with the icon than the khan, and I agree and add some homing rockets for fun

[halcyon fog]

revenants take 1 SSG to stagger so Try this a Pain Elemental that summons other Pain Elementals that summon Possessed Pinkies

[jolly kernel]

seems like people really like those ''the demons are nothing to the Slayer'' jokes huh

[halcyon fog]

not to the slayer, just to me

I was joking...

[jolly kernel]

but yeah, Eternal sure has quite the demon variety

[brittle blaze]

Three once you knock her shield

[vagrant estuary]

Just use lock burst lol

[brittle blaze]

You have to get to the super shotgun

[halcyon fog]

shes by far the easiest boss its not even close. Not to sound like a dick but "casuals" seem to have a hard time with her so I guess she just completely breaks from Quickswitching

[tardy bough]

I personally make the Archvilles a utility dumpster and star flying around with the PB lmao

[tame topaz]

doom has historically had pretty shit bosses

[brittle blaze]

Well, the quick switching is shit in playstation

[halcyon fog]

It works but yeah I wish I could tell you anything else my friend but Eternal is just leagues better on mouse and keyboard. Im sure Playstation eternal supports it so you could connect a mouse and keyboard to the console

[young mango]

Icon of sin doom 2 is literally just a wall so yea

But e2m8 cyberdemon is beautiful

[brittle blaze]

It does, just I have my 4 terabyte system plugged in, so I can't have both active at the same time XD

[halcyon fog]

Rocket Dueling Cyberdemon is pretty fun even tho its like the least effective way to kill him

[tardy bough]

Looking back on my first playthrough, the best advice I could give myself when I had trouble with her is honestly just parkour.

[halcyon fog]

splitter?

[young mango]

Why did you ping me specifically to say this

[brittle blaze]

Gonna hopefully get one soon

[halcyon fog]

https://tenor.com/view/jinki948-cat-shocked-shocked-face-shock-gif-22585372

[halcyon fog]

yeah I played eternal first on PS4 and then got it on my new PC some time later and I can tell you it is absolutely better on mouse and keyboard by like 100x. Also if you do, get out of the habit of using the weapon wheel cuz when you get down using the actual numbers your skill gap goes up like a sky scraper

[dull herald]

https://tenor.com/view/ripperggs-shut-up-shut-the-fuck-up-shut-the-hell-up-shout-gif-17643874

[azure oriole]

Doom 2016 had an alright roster

DE doesn’t have any excuses tbh they just dropped the ball

[tame topaz]

the gladiator fight is awesome too

[sacred dirge]

You're awesome

[tame topaz]

i think the doom hunter is cool too

[tame topaz]

w<

no way, it is him
the gougaru

[sacred dirge]

I have been the busy but I'm always watching

[azure oriole]

The last part does go pretty hard

[tame topaz]

fuck the doom hunter fight goes hard

the extra two DHs are a blast

[sacred dirge]

The intro is one of the best boss intros out there

[azure oriole]

Gladiator fight is fucking awesome.

The Davoth boss theme is the best song in Doom, also.

I felt like it needed more time in the oven

[sacred dirge]

Says the man who eats the bones of teriyaki

[azure oriole]

They were delicious

[formal scaffold]

the gladiator fight is fun

and the music is bangin in that fight

[formal scaffold]

you are what you eat

[frigid cypress]

UAC Atlantica?

[sacred dirge]

Everyone knows it's harbinger anyways

[sweet bridge]

Holy shit just beat the normal campaign
That was pretty cool
Kinda sad there’s no post-credits scene showing what happened to earth though

[sweet bridge]

unless there was and I shouldn’t have skipped the credits

No idea

Damn

Partly I’m Too Young To Die (keep in mind I was like 9 when I got this game (I ended up quitting at the final hell priest) so naturally I was pretty shit)
The final part Hurt Me Plenty (that I played for the past 3 or so days)

Also uh
Why do I not have access to doom I (the 1993 game)
I beat the campaign
You don’t have to do the dlc too do you? I don’t have that installed
Might just grab the wad and go but damn I was hoping I could at least unlock it legitimately

[tacit orchid]

In the Fortress?

[sweet bridge]

Yeah

[tacit orchid]

Oh is that the one with the code to unlock

That depends, you want to explore and find the reference or not wanna bother

[sweet bridge]

No that’s doom II, I know the code
It said you needed to beat the game for doom I

[tacit orchid]

Get all 14 cheat codes

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-its-mid-ugly-nah-gif-19839131

[sweet bridge]

Oh
Damn now I have to replay levels 😔

[tacit orchid]

Ye that happens

[nova elbow]

Hey can anyone help grind 2 battlemode achievements

I need blood bath and weapons expert

[sharp hatch]

New to the game. Just got my physical and added download to it's updated patch.

[sweet bridge]

How do you get the one right on top of the sword powering the ship?
Oh wait nvm I think I got it

Oooh thank you!

[solid quiver]

e

[sweet bridge]

How do you use the cheats?

[azure oriole]

Yeah I do. The pacing and the motifs to the song are great.

[dull herald]

omg komaa

[stuck cobalt]

What do you guys think of the arachnotron? My friend is playing doom eternal for the first time.

[sweet bridge]

I don’t think that was a yes/no question

[ornate reef]

It adds variety

[stuck cobalt]

Good or bad

[ornate reef]

Good

[stuck cobalt]

Fair

My friend wants to know what you think about the cacodemon

I personally think that it’s a cool enemy that adds air variety. It’s also cool that it hasn’t changed design since 1993

[azure oriole]

Arachnotrons are pretty cool

Great design good mid tier demon

[young mango]

https://youtu.be/jwFmTDyj7vE

One person in particular will have an issue with this video

[stuck cobalt]

I’m having a sleep over with my friend and this is his first time playing doom eternal

[ornate reef]

You mean cursed prowlers? Yeah they were

[halcyon fog]

I think Khan was easy but fun. Icon would have been great if Phase 2 was the same but Phase 1 was completely different. Doom hunters were good, Maury was decent as a boss but Gladiator was shite

[midnight sparrow]

Having boss phases change IS what makes it fun. It would be so boring if the Icon fights phase 2 was still in that cramped little arena

Why I hate the Dark Lord fight. 6 phases and little to no changes in the fight. Long boring and tedious

[halcyon fog]

Not sure if youve tried it but theres a mod that came out that does nothing but just up his aggression by a ton. Makes the boss LEAGUES better. Lot harder too

[carmine plank]

Gogoog

[gray kestrel]

doom

[floral zephyr]

Say, been trying to improve my quickswitching, wanting to do Ultra Nightmare runs, but having a rough time picking out some good keybinds. Anyone have some recommendations?

[azure oriole]

thats
a lotta d blade

[floral zephyr]

Gotcha, I think i'm close to getting a solid set up going. The main thing is not getting stuck when I forget my new equipment binds and trying to do the Precision Shot switch

Is Q for the cannon and E for the rocket launcher decent, you think?

[young mango]

It’s my go to thing for taking out super heavies now that I’ve gotten it to work consistently

[young mango]

In response to this

Binds don’t really mean anything tbh, there’s no objective best binds, I’m still rocking default, only thing I changed was unbinding chaingun and binding dash to caps lock instead of shift

[azure oriole]

tf you can bind caps lock too

thats very useful to know

[young mango]

You can bind anything to anything

[azure oriole]

so many people refrain from using num row

[dull herald]

q, z, x not even touched, rlly interesting

[floral zephyr]

Gotcha, I appreciate the input

[dull herald]

wellll i suppose theres the bfg, hammer, etc. too buuut still

welll bfg i understand, i dont use that either
i definitely use hammer a lot for infinite arena mode (ummmm this is a mod i forgot to mention sorryy)

not rllly, still an amazing mod

its not technically infinite, it gives you breaks every couple rounds or so and gives you an option to continue on the same map, go back to the map selecting hub, or picks a random map to continue on

it replaces horde mode, and as a result it has aspects of horde mode in the mod
theres bounty demons and stuff like thattt....
theres also new additions like umm rounds with fog its cool
the maps are the battlemode maps btw...

the bounty demons are the only thing i feel don't rlly fit into the mod

buuut its still cool having the occasional challenge of completing the bounties before they go silver
its more so a personal challenge that i do each time its given to me, as in all my hours of infinite arena mode i never find myself rlly ever using the damage multipliers

[random vault]

@dull herald doom eter

[dull herald]

dom eternal

[azure oriole]

doo doo eternal

[alpine plaza]

bloom eternal 🙂

[azure oriole]

doo doo 2: hell on poo

[radiant belfry]

dopamine eternal

[regal hearth]

best runes in this game? I know from someone in 2016 chat telling me that the air movement one is basically needed this time

[azure oriole]

air control savagery and third is personal pref

[vagrant estuary]

No

[azure oriole]

also do not use chrono strike

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-the-cat-jinx-jinx-cat-cat-computer-gif-25786466

[jolly kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1109389228669935616/image.png

[regal hearth]

who decided lets give the player a ton of new movement but then put purple goop that stops them from using it

[jolly kernel]

I have decided to destroy demon weak points more often, it seems to be useful

like the Arachnotron's turret and the Mancubus' arm cannons

[regal hearth]

I already am doing so but especially now i have the mastery challenge for the sticky bombs so i have to

[jolly kernel]

so, I was killing an Arch-Vile, and while I was doing it, there was a Mancubus approaching behind me and I didn’t even notice he was there

and of course when I killed the Arch-Vile, he used his melee attack and flamethrowers, causing me to lose a lot of hp and armor

[kindred star]

in ancient gods its even better to do so

with explode thingy

when u remove weakpoint

[azure oriole]

That blood punch support rune is so good though

[kindred star]

eh

i got through a big part of the 2nd exp just because i had the 2nd support rune

so i got infinite lives (theoretically)

[jolly kernel]

I wonder how many times Samuel says that one line in urdak

[kindred star]

wich one

[jolly kernel]

”The longer Icon Of Sin is on Earth, the stronger he will become!”

[kindred star]

i believe he says it twice or smth

idk

[regal hearth]

Holy fuck that first slayer gate on exultia. Kicked my ass hard. I didn't die but damn it was difficult

[azure oriole]

I’m so confused rn

[wary badger]

349.4 hours in doom eternal....

27 hours remaining before 666 hours

[vivid nest]

not enough.

[jolly kernel]

anyone here thinks it would have been good if the “2 blood punches” upgrade was obtained earlier?

you only get it in the end of the penultimate level

[vivid nest]

omg

getting the 2 blood punches at the near end does not feel right

anyways

that 10 second slow mode rune when at 1 health is op af

[rare rover]

Can someone help me out hee

bc im am so unbelievably confused rn

[vivid nest]

with??

[rare rover]

ok so theres this one skin thats like a unicorn and ive been trying to get it for like 3 days straight and at this point idk if its still obtainable or not 🤷

[vivid nest]

do u gave a twitch prime account?

[rare rover]

yeah and i linked it

but still nothing

[vivid nest]

then idk sorry

[rare rover]

:-/ its alr

[frigid cypress]

You have to buy it with real money now. It's a dlc. You're too late

[rare rover]

where do i find the store 💀

[frigid cypress]

Where did you buy the game?

[rare rover]

steam

[frigid cypress]

Steam dlc store

[rare rover]

wait are u talking abt the ancient gods?

nvm found it

[twilit geyser]

infinite teleporting screen

help?

i just opened the game and its stuck on the teleporting screen at the beginning

nvm lol

[hollow wren]

Hello

[azure oriole]

Hi does anyone wanna play battlemode??

I need the platinum trophy

[sacred dirge]

Nope

[azure oriole]

Doom is a W game

[hollow wren]

Ong

[jolly kernel]

I'm pretty sure I just saw a Cacodemon already missing his eye when I was glory killing him

[halcyon fog]

mod issue

[kindred star]

huh

[halcyon fog]

it can happen if you have a custom skin on it. Just like revenants/arachnotrons/Manci weakpoints wont show that they've been shot off in most cases of modded skins

[jolly kernel]

I didn't use any mods

[halcyon fog]

well then idk

[azure oriole]

yo did anybody else know that in doom the slayer skins are actually cannon to the the story line

[halcyon fog]

some of em yeah

not too sure if the sentinel skin is actually what he wore in the past tho

[azure oriole]

it is

he wore it when he killed the titan in tarus nabad because the crucible was there and non of the other sentinels used it because they proobably werent worthy enough or smh shi

guys what was ur fav eternal mission

[sweet bridge]

I liked the one that had killable demons

[halcyon fog]

Taras Nabad Master Level or Super Gore Nest Master Level or Blood Swamps on launch

[halcyon fog]

valid

[azure oriole]

is there a fucking quadruple marauder fight in unreclaimed earth

[azure oriole]

W

[azure oriole]

what mode u on

i was watching it on yt

[halcyon fog]

its a modded master level

[azure oriole]

oh alr

i never have played modded doom

it looks super fun

unreclaimed earth and reclaimden

[halcyon fog]

if you are on PC, I very, very strongly recommend exploring the modding scene. It opens a new door of this game

[azure oriole]

yep

https://youtu.be/3ZLpbTexQlg

someone modded twenty maruders in the first fight in final sin💀

i hope there is uac atlantica master level mod

[azure oriole]

yes

i wish skyrim had hard mods

[azure oriole]

watching that scares and crashes the processing in my brain

but i guess it makes more sense for doom to have hard mods rather than skyrim

its not a challange if you never use the sheild

[halcyon fog]

most likely

[halcyon fog]

its real simple to do also

[azure oriole]

i dont have pc tho

[halcyon fog]

ah