doom-eternal

[bleak star]

Ah ty ty seems like a good load out

Pretty sure all extra lives are replaced with Mega armor yeah

[azure oriole]

np

[jolly kernel]

quick swaps will help you a lot

[clear gorge]

Ok that helps a lot

[clear gorge]

Is there a good quick swap combo early on?

[azure oriole]

pb sticky

[jolly kernel]

eh, not really

always try to kill the strongest enemies as fast as possible

[bleak star]

Yeah UN is the exact same as nightmare just like they said with no extra lives. Obviously they knew if they kept it it'd like defeat the whole purpose of it. So they're replaced with Mega armor instead

No I'm saying only UN has no lives

[young mango]

Homestuck…

[bleak star]

I didn't say nightmare not having it lmao

[clear gorge]

Thanks for the help all

[bleak star]

Gasp... Fellow homestuckie....

[jolly kernel]

honestly, if I do try ultra-nightmare, I would cheese it

[bleak star]

Yeah

[slow sigil]

then what's the point of UN

[bleak star]

But like, why do that

[young mango]

Skill issue

[azure oriole]

i would not fucking let myself ever cheese

[bleak star]

It beats the whole point of the feeling of earning that gold suit

[jolly kernel]

because I don't really want to do it except for unlocking that gold slayer skin

[slow sigil]

luckily the gold skin sucks so that will never happen

[azure oriole]

true bruv

[young mango]

The whole point of the gold slayer skin is it’s a mark of your achievement, but if you never achieved it in the first place what’s the point

[bleak star]

Yeah but you didn't earn it by doing that, it's not that good imo. But. Ya know, ya Earned it

[runic mesa]

oh

[azure oriole]

also how would you even cheese ultra nightmare

[runic mesa]

thats a good idea

[young mango]

Alt + F4

[azure oriole]

oh bruv

[bleak star]

True!

[runic mesa]

they're videos on youtube

[jolly kernel]

backing up the save file at the end of each level and putting it back when you die

[azure oriole]

still if you die faster than you can press alt f4 then well

[azure oriole]

that is

[runic mesa]

oh

[azure oriole]

i mean wow

[slow sigil]

get the rune that slows down time every time you should die and just taskmanager the game once it runs out

[azure oriole]

i thought they were cloud saves?

[clear gorge]

Cheesing is cringe ima do it the real Chad's way

[bleak star]

I thiiink?

[slow sigil]

no its local

[runic mesa]

how to tho

[bleak star]

But like, just take ur loss like a real slayer

[jolly kernel]

perhaps yeah

[azure oriole]

everyday i learn something new goddamn

[slow sigil]

or dont play UN cause it sucks lol

[clear gorge]

Getting good

[jolly kernel]

I will do it the way it's supposed to be to show I'm not a coward

[young mango]

Un kalibas death because brain doesn’t break😢

[bleak star]

Still ironic that the tyrant was kinda not that threatening in DE like in OG doom games

[azure oriole]

it isnt threatening even in og doom

[jolly kernel]

yeah

[bleak star]

That's what I just said

Still a cool design tho

[jolly kernel]

yeah, I like its design a lot

good old Classic Cyberdemon

[azure oriole]

nah 2016 cyberdemon is cooler

[jolly kernel]

mf looks like a moose

[azure oriole]

de tyrant is ugly

[jolly kernel]

almost like that's intentional

[azure oriole]

atleast the 2016 one looks scary

[bleak star]

See 2016's actually did a job of a good threat on UN tho

[azure oriole]

yes

[bleak star]

All the bosses of 2016 were real threats

[azure oriole]

heartrate when eternal un: 140
heartrate when 2016 un: 240

[azure oriole]

the bigger threat are those little bastards in early levels

[jolly kernel]

honestly though

[bleak star]

The imps...

[jolly kernel]

I can feel the pain of those that got their un run ended right in the final fight

[bleak star]

Yeah the imps were a consistent Run killer in 2016

[azure oriole]

i cannot imagine dying by spider mastermind

[bleak star]

Id actually quit doom of that happened to me

I wouldn't but I'd be pissed as the hulk

[azure oriole]

there are so many death markers of people in all levels lol sad

[bleak star]

Most of which caused by imps LMAOOO

[azure oriole]

yes

[bleak star]

Literally U.S snipers

[azure oriole]

and if you think about it armor is just an extra health bar

[young mango]

He dies in a few seconds now

[bleak star]

Correcto

Simply quick switch him to death

[young mango]

Click e 5 repeat

[azure oriole]

i kinda feel bad for him

he cant even do damage

his wave attack is annoying

huge hitbox

[broken forum]

Spider mastermind was really easy for me

I’ll have to play the game again because I’ve only beat it once

I cancelled my game pass but I own 2016 so I can play it

[weak sinew]

Can someone help me? I opened my doom eternal today and it's saying that I didn't buy the campaign mode since I was playing the campaign normally yesterday.. does anyone know what to do to fix it?

[azure oriole]

Fuckin id spaghetti code...

fucking playstation

[wraith osprey]

[green garnet]

so, with all the lore in doom eternal

instead of calling him doomguy/doomslayer

shouldnt we call him doomgod

[slow sigil]

He isnt a god though

[green garnet]

i thought he technically is part god?

he isnt strictly human

[azure oriole]

he can die unlike gods

[slow sigil]

He has/had a part of "god"'s power imbedded into him

[slow sigil]

Gods can die in doom

[azure oriole]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-ancient-gods-part2-doom-eternal-davoth-dark-lord-doom-gif-20875444

[green garnet]

does doom eternal tie into daisy the bunnys death

at all?

[slow sigil]

He hallucinates daisy in every level

[green garnet]

wait rlly? ive only seen daisy at the cultist base

i assumed it was a little goof

[slow sigil]

Yeah if you look out for her you can find her somewhere everywhere iirc
Except maybe the boss levels

[green garnet]

word

[slow sigil]

It is

[fickle marsh]

I finally unlocked the Unmakyr last night

The giggle of absolute pure maniacal joy I let out-

[azure oriole]

unmaykr...

[neat tusk]

Either I really oughtta get good with Unmakyr or it's not so good

[slow sigil]

It's not good

[neat tusk]

that's the opinion of many, and I'm not sure I agree

I gotta know where it can be used best

[azure oriole]

only if you have overdrive powerup

[neat tusk]

I heard Under the Mayo talk about how it's most useful in TAG1, but not much in the way of its use in the base game.

[slow sigil]

It's not exactly an opinion

It's flatout worse then the bfg, unless you want single-target damage against a non boss in which case your regular arsenal should easily wipe it

[azure oriole]

why would i use something which consumes so much ammo and only damages a few enemies while k can use the bfg and damage everything

mayo trying so hard to be different its funny

[serene shard]

It happens to me too, someone knows why ? @weak sinew can you fix this issue ?

[neat tusk]

I heard you might have to renew your license, or something like that

[azure oriole]

I tried using the unmaykr against bosses and it was alright but there’s just not enough ammo for it

It’s fun with infinite ammo cheat code but otherwise bfg is just better

Slayer gates were fun so I’m not too salty about it being mid but still

[weak sinew]

like this? I don't know how to renew

[neat tusk]

I read it elsewhere here, dunno if it's even possible. Sorry

[sacred dirge]

Ya it really didn't get justice in eternal compared to 64

[jaunty vapor]

That moment when Unmaykr actually does less damage to bosses than other enemies while BFG (mostly) does not.

[azure oriole]

The heavy cannon missile attachment was better against the icon than the unmaykr lol

Much disappointment

[sacred dirge]

It should have had it's own unique ammo type only available through a limited pick up with a small ammo count let's say 10 shots with massive damage.

[slow sigil]

nah it should have just been on par

tighter spread, probs build in shield break

[sacred dirge]

Shield break would be great

Something that makes it useful

[slow sigil]

i mean, if it did just that no not really lmfao

it should be stronger and just straight up pierce shields

[azure oriole]

hi

[neat tusk]

I'd suggest, more bullets per shot, wider spread with a vertical aspect, much more damage per bullet. I think I'm with Gougaru -- It's own ammo pool, as rare as BFG ammo.

For the weapon you've worked hard for, make it broken -- it's balanced by the lack of ammo. Conservation by integrating it in combos can be a fast, reliable strategy.

@azure oriole Yo

[azure oriole]

how is day?

[neat tusk]

My day's been well

[azure oriole]

I fell down the stairs broke 3 bones twisted a muscle broke my nose

And lost a tooth

(So real)

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dont-hurt-me-mike-ohearn-jokester-joke-funny-gif-27699537

[azure oriole]

Istg i cant escape him

[neat tusk]

@azure oriole ..... jesus

[azure oriole]

you are him

literally him

[azure oriole]

I'm going to get the Phobos Armor, I have 29 extra lives, on the final mission, and my health and Armor pick ups contribute to blood punch if my health and Armor are at max

[neat tusk]

Best of luck!

[dull herald]

i don't know why that latter part had to be mentioned but good luck

[azure oriole]

Thanks

[azure oriole]

I got the Phobos Armor, with 30 extra lives in tow, I got the 30th 1up in the last mission

[azure oriole]

hey guys can someone help me out so i was level 160 and one day i went on doom and everything reset and i cant do master missions and my sensitivity is fucked and now i have to play all the campaigns again and ive been playing eternal now for 3 -2years now

[maiden wigeon]

The difference is difficulty between ultraviolence and nightmare is crazy

I finished the game on ultraviolence and I’m replaying it on nightmare, this is the hardest thing I’ve played

[glass totem]

Practice with a full kit. You may die a lot, but you’ll die a lot less once it clicks in your mind.

My tactic is spamming equipment with equipment fiend so I don’t forget to use them.

[azure oriole]

do yall like my profile pic and banner

[glass totem]

@azure oriole they’re cool to me.

I like them.

[azure oriole]

yours is nice too 🦊

anyways im going back to rotting away cya

[glass totem]

It accurately represents my skill issues.

[azure oriole]

i wish i had a pc

[frank ridge]

which is better? automatic weapon fire or burst damage weapon combos?

when it comes to games that are supposedly fast paced, people don't like sticking to a weapon for too long so they tend to stray away from automatic weapons

[azure oriole]

weapon combos

auto weapons have bad ttk and some consumes alot of ammo

[frank ridge]

does it not feel good to mow down enemies with an automatic?

I guess I should emphasize that I mean in terms of feel

[jaunty vapor]

Feel good != Is good

[azure oriole]

ig u can do it if u want

[frank ridge]

what are the qualifications of a good weapon?

[azure oriole]

i wouldnt rely on automatic weapons tho, use it as a finisher of some sort

[jaunty vapor]

Game feel varies from person to person/criteria used, so use whatever 🤷

Objectively though, the fully automatic weapons are worse than basic quick swaps. Not to say you can't use them, they're still effective, but they're almost always going to be worse

[frank ridge]

does the amount of power determine how good something is?

[azure oriole]

single high dmg shot weapons since u can bypass their reload animation

[jaunty vapor]

Typically the time to kill, the ease of use, and the ammo spent are the general "qualifications"

For instance lock on burst is probably the easiest to use weapon and practically insta* kills most heavies

*Rockets do still need to travel obv

[frank ridge]

what if it was more satisfying to use a weapon but easier to kill with another, what would people prefer?

[jaunty vapor]

Dblade is exceptional in almost every situation BUT if the player isn't good at mitigating the movement restriction or just not cognizant of how the arena works, Dblade is worse for that player.

[jaunty vapor]

That's subjective and will differ from person to person.

For instance I like the sound design/look of Mobile Turret. But I never really use it cause most of the time I'm doing modded content and such and MT is pretty much useless aside from spirit Marauders

[azure oriole]

u can always use it as a combo finisher

[jaunty vapor]

And while I do find it hard to break out of my usual habits after so many hours, every so often I'll do a low difficulty run where I just use Mobile Turret instead just cause. But that's definitely rare that I do that

The only other thing I'll say is generally the fully automatic weapons are better for players who don't know or understand quick swaps, so they have a lower skill floor (easy to use) but also a medium skill ceiling, or sometimes a low ceiling. They don't really get better when you get better, compared to weapons like pb, stickies, Dblade that DO get better as you get better

[frank ridge]

a very slow one

[jaunty vapor]

The only real weapon that's worse than every other option at ALL levels of play is full auto, because even with the mastery it's both slower to kill, harder to kill with (less range on its damage) and less ammo efficient than SSG and/or Stickies

[azure oriole]

true there are better options but since you like the weapon its alright

[jaunty vapor]

This of course doesn't matter if you enjoy the weapon, a weapon can be worse but still be enjoyed 🤷 but the math has been done over the span of pretty much 3 years at this point

[frank ridge]

the heavy cannon (base fire), plasma rifle, and machine gun are just way too underused, it's very sad

[azure oriole]

heavy cannon primary fire is very bad, mostly only used to fodder stagger

[jaunty vapor]

If HC was hit scan like in 2016 (would probably need to remove the splash damage it has now), it'd probably be fine. Not even really good, but servicable

[frank ridge]

will there ever be a good implementation of a gun where it is efficient to rapid fire enemies

[azure oriole]

not in this game for sure

gotta wait what will id bring us with their upcoming game

[primal ferry]

ello

[jaunty vapor]

Full Auto + onslaught is.... Fine? Though even when that can be used in speedruns other strats are better lol

[frank ridge]

I gotta say, for the automatic weapons, I see that they kinda overlap too much in terms of properties, where for the burst damage, they are more unique

[azure oriole]

I like pulling out the mobile turret every so often.

[frank ridge]

maybe there should've been a heavy cannon and plasma rifle hybrid instead

[azure oriole]

Even if it’s not the most efficient weapon to use it is effective on UV and enjoyable

[azure oriole]

wym by that

[frank ridge]

it just feels like maybe there could be a gun that has the projectiles of plasma rifle, the attachment of the like of micromissles and with something like heat blast all in one (or some variation of heavy cannon + plasma rifle)

[azure oriole]

Heavy cannon primary fire is ass

I only really use it if I want to reliably stagger fodder for glory kills

[azure oriole]

u can always quick swap between them

[frank ridge]

I'm saying to condesne down the arsenal to remove bloat

cause no one uses heavy cannon primary fire

[azure oriole]

How many days should UN mars core take me?

[young mango]

Needing a 4x power boost to make full auto usable

[turbid jetty]

full auto is good earlygame in the main campaign

once you get harder hitting weapons and mods you don't need it as much

but I usually use it to shred the arachnotrons in the first level

[azure oriole]

i need some freinds

[frank ridge]

I am playing a bit of kaiser campaign and I do use full auto quite a bit, the mod really throws hard hitting enemies early on

[turbid jetty]

full auto is also good for fodder clearing thanks to its theoretically infinite ammo

and of course the stone imps

its ammo generation can also be used for the super shotgun as well

while the chainsaw is your main way to generate ammo, if all you need is some extra shotgun shells for the ssg and you still have a couple of shells remaining just use full auto to get more as opposed to using a chainsaw charge

[young mango]

Flame belch blood punch get blood punch back repeat, infinite fodder destruction with NO ammo cost

[young mango]

If you need shells that badly with a chainsaw that regenerates every 15 seconds, you’re doing something wrong

[turbid jetty]

since when was it 15 seconds

[young mango]

Especially if you’re only missing one ammo type, which implies reliance on one weapon

[young mango]

For like ever.

[turbid jetty]

whatever

I'm just thinking of possible uses off the top of my head based on the mechanics of the mod

I don't use the mod, I stick to the sticky bombs and chainsaw

aside from earlygame like I said before

[sacred dirge]

FA

[frigid cypress]

Soon in maybe a week I will begin my Ultra Nightmare journey. Where can I find the best video and written guides for it. If you could also send me those I would be very grateful.

[azure oriole]

Super gore nest master level was mostly okay until the battle that spawns like a million tyrants and Archviles

When I think it’s finally ready to let up it just spawns more Archviles

I’m saving my bfg specifically for those Archviles and will just dump all of my ammo into the tyrants

i hate the fog fight

[azure oriole]

Fog fight is alright specter whiplashes are annoying but otherwise they were easy

And honestly the specter whiplashes weren’t even bad you just couldn’t abuse the rocket lock on

[azure oriole]

Ok master level done on UV

Nice. Cultist base ML was challenging when I played it before

[spiral sinew]

@frigid cypress

[azure oriole]

when bethesda would want more money sure

[dull herald]

there most likely will be- just not anytime soon

[jolly kernel]

Deag Nilox has the most brutal death of all 3 Hell Priests imo

the Slayer grabs his neck, starts crushing it and when the flashback ends he's beheaded

meanwhile, Ranak just gets his head sliced and Grav gets shot in the face

poor Nilox. he got killed in his first scene

[wraith breach]

Hello, I'm having a problem with this copy. It can't be cut. I want additional content, but the story is not available in my country. My device is Play 4.

[jolly kernel]

the Icon Of Sin is probably one of the best bosses in any fps I ever played

it looks menacing, has a good variety of attacks, the fight with it is so intense and I like how you defeat it, impaling the crucible into its brain

modern id sure (mostly) knows how to make enjoyable and challenging bosses

[sharp wolf]

Question. Dose anyone know what the computer on doom slayers desk is about?

On my main save file I have all cheat codes witch let me play doom 1.
But is there any thing else I can do with it?

[slow sigil]

This sounds sarcastic lmfao

[slow sigil]

If you put in a code(name of the doom marine from the comics) you can also play doom2

[sharp wolf]

Really??

Alr bettt! I'm finna play me sum doom 2

[slow sigil]

I mean it's better if you just download it online

You'll be playing it on a small screen within eternal

[jolly kernel]

well, I genuinely think most of the bosses in 2016 and Eternal are good

except some like the Dark Lord

the bosses are a test of the skills you learned, as a boss should be

[slow sigil]

ehhhhhhhh

where are your recently learned skills really tested

doom hunters are like the best of the bunch and i would say they are still a bit "normal" and not special as a boss

[jolly kernel]

I think the Gladiator is a cool boss

the Khan Maykr is easy and forgettable though

[azure oriole]

doomslayer w gigachad uses crt monitor

[eternal otter]

Doom

[azure oriole]

facts agreed

[leaden badger]

agreed

[jolly kernel]

ngl, the earth zombie actually looks kinda cute

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1105109305105059960/image.png

[leaden badger]

Nahhh mini slayer on top

[jolly kernel]

the one in the post-credits scene is a perfect example. he somehow managed to enter the Slayer's ship and the things he was interested in were the toys of all things

[azure oriole]

that image looks realistic

like some top cgi in a movie

[jolly kernel]

almost as if 2020 had advanced graphics

[azure oriole]

lol

[azure oriole]

Prerendered

[jolly kernel]

plot twist: the Slayer and that Zombie playing with his toys actually became friends

[azure oriole]

yea prerendered is the word

Which it is

[azure oriole]

now they conquer

together and demons and humans coexist (anime bs)

[leaden badger]

I wish the slayer could play with the toys

[azure oriole]

What is he 5?

xombie

[leaden badger]

Yeah but it not like he has anything else to do after doom

[azure oriole]

the only time he played with them is 2016
the fist bump

[jolly kernel]

he kept the Zombie in his room alive so they could play games together

[azure oriole]

bro i still love that fist bump

[leaden badger]

Yeah I’ve seen that

[azure oriole]

i always collect that one collectible no matter what
its doomguy himelf

[jolly kernel]

eventually, they became best bros, and the Zombie respected the Slayer to the point that he redeemed himself

[azure oriole]

[jolly kernel]

that Zombie shows more emotion than humans in most modern-day films and shows

and there isn't any information on how he got there. I imagine that the Slayer felt bad for those zombies and tried to become friends with one of them

though people don't talk about it, I find the destructible demons feature to be really cool. it's neat seeing the enemies with exposed flesh and bones as they take more damage

I would like seeing that type of gore system in other games

[azure oriole]

probably when The Khan Maykr took over the ship

[azure oriole]

speaking of which, just beat her first try. gg ez

[random vault]

in engine footage 😲

[azure oriole]

Doubt it

[toxic thistle]

Who did the art for the comic books in slayers room??

[azure oriole]

me

[strange gale]

this and 2 cutscenes from tag2 are prerendered

the screenshot is already low res and compressed so it's impossible to tell, but in-game it's very obvious when they show up

[azure oriole]

Which ones from tag 2

[random vault]

doom guy dying probably

or the avengers one

[azure oriole]

Both of those allow for custom skins so they can't be

[strange gale]

https://youtu.be/QGv-mVVrihQ
22:08-22:21 and 1:52:07-1:52:21

[median raft]

Does anyone know if Sentinel batteries are infinite?

[azure oriole]

no

[median raft]

So there's just enough to open all the doors in the fortress

[azure oriole]

Ah shit yeah, for some reason I thought they went out of their way to load the actual levels but this makes more sense

[strange gale]

yea they'd have to load exultia, taras nabad, holt, world spear, and reclaimed earth for cutscenes that total 26 seconds

[median raft]

How many cheat codes are there?

[strange gale]

14

2 in the hub, 11 placed within levels, and the last one you get for getting all suit perks

[jolly kernel]

it’s really neat that you can get a lot of praetor tokens to the point that you still have a few remaining after unlocking all suit upgrades

so players that don’t want to search for secrets still can upgrade well

[slow sigil]

i'm pretty sure they just forgot that challenges gave them lmao

[jolly kernel]

lol

[strange gale]

that's a bit cynical

[azure oriole]

Doon eternal

[glossy warren]

I hope you get a new name

[uneven turtle]

your new name should be "this is my new name"

[still dawn]

Help my doom eternal isn’t working I’m trying to play sentinel prime but it keeps getting stuck on 63%

[azure oriole]

Hello guys

Why have I heard so much about the SGN slayer gate?

I haven't beaten it so idk what it is but I'm currently running through the game and trying to get 100% completion

[slow sigil]

Uhhhh i guess you probably heard about the SGN master level? Idk anyone who talks often about the gate

[azure oriole]

Ohhhhhh makes sense

I keep hearing stuff like I heard someone say it was å controversial Slayer gate and it's stupidly hard but the entire campaign isn't really that difficult like the ancient gods DLCs

[jolly kernel]

perhaps you should try to complete it before asking

[slow sigil]

Idk never heard any controversy about it nor that it was stupid hard

[azure oriole]

Hm

the slayer gate is not hard and the master level is ok

idk what controversy might anyone have

[jolly kernel]

I remember this challenge giving me some trouble lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465236787850248202/1105166784899842111/image.png

[azure oriole]

I hate all of those challenges but I suck at the game

[jolly kernel]

just try to practise stuff. no one gets good at a game in a day

[azure oriole]

Yeah I know

I hate when people expect to be good at something straight away

[jolly kernel]

I only found out after some minutes that the game was referring to the Arch-Vile's left, not the player's left

[azure oriole]

Oh no I didn't even think about that, I lack common sense but even with the doom hunter I've been doing it wrong this whole time

[slow sigil]

It's especially annoying as there is only a singular archvile in the entire level

[jolly kernel]

yep

[slow sigil]

Well i mean what is the players left then

If you're coming from the right, your left is his back
And then if you turn to look at his back it suddenly is his left again and such

[jolly kernel]

well, I think I said that wrong, but as in for example, accidentally glory killing from the right instead

[fading walrus]

guys how do i make the enemies to don't attack me

like that demon arenas videos

[jolly kernel]

since when you look directly at the Arch-Vile, it's as if his right side is his left side

[azure oriole]

after looking at every other channel I see why you were muted

doom eternal

You don’t realize how goated air control is until you go back to playing without it

fr

wish eternal doom had more bosses tbh

bro theres like 8 including the doom hunter, trail of maligog, and that brain guy in nekrvol

[azure oriole]

imma try it for the sake of trying it

[azure oriole]

More good bosses especially

2 of them are more arenas with cool gimic

[azure oriole]

Across the two modern games:
-Cyberdemon
-Hell Guards
-Spider Mastermind
-Doom Hunters
-Gladiator
-Khan Maykr
-Icon of Sin
-Trial of Maligog
-Seraphim
-Davoth
10. If you include Doom 3, it'd be, like, 16?

im in the doom eternal channel

doom 3 aint really modern doom but whatever

im talking about doom eternal

Doom hunter and Khan Maykr are my personal favorites so far

why doom hunter

doo hunter nice

Because the first doom hunter you fight is just a well designed boss

doo hunter has alot of chainsaw pips

[azure oriole]

Except you only said "Doom".

bruh

[jolly kernel]

I'd say, ALL 2016 bosses are good

[azure oriole]

It’s not especially challenging compared to the other bosses but it challenges the player at the right time and at just the right ways to really force you to use good positioning and aerial movement

[jolly kernel]

they are challenging and fun

[azure oriole]

It’s good fun. Gladiator could’ve been great but idiotic design choices really brought it down for me.

[jolly kernel]

the first Hell Guard is quite literally the og Marauder

[azure oriole]

Marauder should’ve been a recurring boss

Instead of just another enemy ngl

[jolly kernel]

same

[unreal flare]

the first encounter wouldn't feel special anymore if they did that

[azure oriole]

That makes no sense

[jolly kernel]

the Cyberdemon was so good, it returned in Eternal as a much weaker enemy called Tyrant

[unreal flare]

(I'm talking out of my ass here lmao I haven't played Eternal)

[azure oriole]

based

[unreal flare]

I will play it someday tho

[azure oriole]

dont

[unreal flare]

I'm just a bit busy with Classic Doom rn

[azure oriole]

Playing classic Doom in doom eternal

[jolly kernel]

2016's bosses are better than Eternal's ngl

[azure oriole]

bro if the marauder was some sort of reoccurring boss fight that was like 1 dude that kept on showing up then teleporting away before death then got killed off near the end of the game or something

would be a cool idea but maybe not for the marauder

[amber hamlet]

Привет, ребята

[acoustic lark]

Hello! But please keep it english only :)

[grand canopy]

I finally beat taras nabad

[amber hamlet]

sometimes it seems to me that the marauder is stronger than some bosses

@acoustic lark okay

[azure oriole]

police state

[azure oriole]

fuck that level but cool music

[azure oriole]

he only feels hard because of his agressiveness

he doesnt even do much damage

works really well as a pressure unit

[amber hamlet]

@azure oriole May be

[azure oriole]

They’re more consistent

oh reminds me

They also peak higher I’d say

https://youtu.be/oLYWp2iT3y0

say cheese

bro used the selfie stick

lmfaoao

[amber hamlet]

I'm willing to bet that he is an esportsman or a speedrunner

[azure oriole]

maybe

[amber hamlet]

it seems to me that in this discord channel only those who went through the doom eternal

[jaunty vapor]

Bryi0 was very involved in the speedrunning discord, though rarely if ever actually did any runs despite finding a ton of tech and such.

But either way, there's the context of who they are.

[frigid root]

Me when

Me when the community mods

[jolly kernel]

I honestly can’t tell if there’s any scenario in both nuDoom games where the demons are already placed in the map instead of spawning

[azure oriole]

kadingir sanctum baron arena:

doom eternal hell on earth:

[slow sigil]

pretty sure no place unless you count that they are spawned in before you reach the arena giving the illusion of them always being there

because having EVERY demon already prespawned would probs be too much for the game to handle

[frank ridge]

what enemy type could this game work perfectly without?

[slow sigil]

wdym "type"

[frank ridge]

what enemy

i.e. marauders, archviles, or mancubi

[azure oriole]

midrauder

the zombie demons

they are worthless in eternal

in 2016 they are health packs but every zombie in eternal (aside from mech, purple mfs and soldiers) is a nothing simulator

ammo:

They’re there for ammo

[slow sigil]

huh, they are literally fodder but with practically no AI

[azure oriole]

And easy glory kills

[jaunty vapor]

Ammo, iframes, armor via hook -> pb

[slow sigil]

they serve as just as much of a health/ammo boost as any other fodder

[azure oriole]

may i introduce people to the ither fodder

But I think it’s worth noting they still take a good chunk of your health on nightmare

[jaunty vapor]

Mwathook nodes that aren't meathook nodes

[slow sigil]

yes and zombies are the easiest of all of them to get value out of

[azure oriole]

Yes the zombies are less dangerous

No ranged attack

[jaunty vapor]

I could see an argument that you mostly get the same resources out of imps/gargoyles/soldiers/mecha zombies so zombies are superfluous, but they definitely aren't useless/nothing

[azure oriole]

Not counting the mechas

[azure oriole]

if you are getting hit by imps enough to say they have some semblance of danger...

[slow sigil]

i'd agree with you that they all in all shouldnt really be a thing, force you to gain resources from fodder that atleast kinda tries , but many other demons like marauders would make the game much better with their absence

[jaunty vapor]

But I think there's a benefit to a "slow fodder", in that it gives the player a reliable health/ammo pack they can use as long as they have decent game sense to remember where the zombie was.

[azure oriole]

Don’t be dense the zombies are objectively less dangerous than the other fodder. They’re slower, do less damage, and have less attacks.

It’s way more common to get tagged by imps and soldiers than zombos

they kill your momentum if you get hit

[azure oriole]

doesnt mean there should be an enamy that poses no threat and little benifit

[slow sigil]

i wouldnt call it "little"

[azure oriole]

all the zombie benifits are benfits with every other enamy

Going to be honest I really don’t understand why you’re hung up on the zombies they do their job as walking hordes of ammo and health deposits.

And the imps/soldiers aren’t identical in their niche

[slow sigil]

and every other demons are the zombie benefits with comparably huge drawbacks

[azure oriole]

make the zombies throw rocks at least

[jaunty vapor]

Doesn't mean there shouldn't be either

It's a design choice to include reliable restacking. Whether it's a good change or bad change... Depends on the person's viewpoint at that point. I personally think it's a good design, especially for worse players, to have reliable heals, rather than needing to rely on squirrely imps/gargoyles who may be stuck in a corner because their pathfinding sometimes fucks up.

[azure oriole]

bruh

lol

[slow sigil]

well i mean preferably there should be multiple pieces of fodder so a singular imp/garg stuck in a corner shouldnt be all too bad

[jaunty vapor]

Also saying "little benefit" is an exaggeration. The amount of times chainsawing a zombie keeps me alive in modded content is not negligible. Iframes are a huuuge part of modded content like that

[azure oriole]

make them more dangerous on harder levels then

[jaunty vapor]

Something something hell barge 🙃 (there's ways 1 imp just faffing about)

[azure oriole]

I think you want the zombies to be a completely different type of enemy lol

[jaunty vapor]

Next thing ya know meathook nodes should shoot back at you KEKW

[azure oriole]

lol

[azure oriole]

i really just want them to be an enamy

They are

[slow sigil]

the entire point of zombies is that they are useless pieces of fodder
take that away and you might aswell replace them with actually fighting fodder

[azure oriole]

That fodder exists. You’re not really improving the game at all by removing zombies.

[slow sigil]

i mean, THAT is debatable for sure

[jaunty vapor]

Anyways, other than the obvious Marauder pick... I might go against the grain and say Cybermancs could be removed without losing much

[azure oriole]

there will be less demoms 🤷‍♂️

[azure oriole]

What is

[slow sigil]

removing zombies improving the game

[azure oriole]

It wouldn’t

i like marauders, they are some of the only good pressure units

[azure oriole]

baron:

Unless you think having less reliable ammo and health refills is a good thing

[azure oriole]

i said some

ok

[azure oriole]

make game harder= i like

[slow sigil]

not having any zombies means you have to almost try to actually get some fodder without it being lightly risky, having it for free is a bit muddy because it would be more interesting if it wasnt just free

[azure oriole]

keep them in for lower difficulties ?

It wouldn’t be more interesting it would just be more annoying

not really

Doom fans and their ideas

argument

omg the thing that does nothing is gone, now i have to fight the thing that does something

That thing already exists dude

[jaunty vapor]

I think it'd be less interesting, but again I think that that is a subjective thing on whether people would want "reliable health/armor or not". It'd be the same argument as removing Maykr Drones, really. There's no real definitive "it would improve the game/make it worse" by removing them, it'd just be different.

[azure oriole]

There’s already 4 enemies that occupy the fodder that’s marginally dangerous niche

[azure oriole]

that is your argument

5 if you count mecha zombies.

the other fodder are reliable, so what if they can hit you from far or not

[slow sigil]

tbf i definitely think they give too much, their concept is great but the numbers are overtuned

[azure oriole]

its not like there is a wheel thats spun everytime you kill an imp

[azure oriole]

I’m talking to a wall

[azure oriole]

im typing into a computer

[azure oriole]

maykr drones have saved my ass a lot many times

[jaunty vapor]

At their core I like Maykr Drones, but I stand by that if an arena REQUIRES drones to be beaten, it's a poorly designed arena/mod. Obviously base game doesn't have anything like that so, overall drones are fine

[azure oriole]

drones are cool

def keep them

[azure oriole]

so are zombies

[azure oriole]

no

whatever not gonna argue with you

[jaunty vapor]

You guys are all idiots, it's a subjective question and you're acting like there's an objective answer. Fucking christ.

[azure oriole]

facts

dont fuck christ

Basic zombies/unwilling are the least intrusive fodder in the game and are useful in their role as demons that give new, inexperienced players opportunities to make mistakes without getting their ass kicked in the earlier levels. As the game goes on mecha zombies become way more common, and on nightmare zombies can take out almost half your health in a single hit if you’re not careful.

[azure oriole]

The objective answer is mine

[slow sigil]

no you're wrong

[azure oriole]

on nightmare zombies are always on the other side of them map

[jaunty vapor]

For you, probably. Maybe not for players who don't have as good movement? 🤷

It's possible you're looking at it from only one end of the skill spectrum.

[azure oriole]

The first few levels throw quite a lot at you and the movement is pretty sluggish compared to later on.

[north oxide]

The one definitive objective answer is who gives a fuck, it's a game, play it however you want.

[azure oriole]

Boring

[azure oriole]

no bro argument is the way

[north oxide]

if you're five years old maybe

[azure oriole]

we all are

[azure oriole]

i said to keep them on earlier difficulties

[slow sigil]

i'd say it only throws a lot at you if you dont really know much about FPS and gaming, otherwise it's really not that bad

[azure oriole]

Obviously

Im speaking relatively. The first enemies you fight in hell on earth are zombies, and most of the level is just fodder with a few arachnotrons and cacos littered about.

The only thing I’d change about zombies is to improve their variety

[young mango]

Unreclaimed earth

[young mango]

There’s three types of zombies

[azure oriole]

The earth zombie model looks terrible and they didn’t bother having even 1 other skin for them

Cultist zombies got better treatment lol

[young mango]

Hey @jaunty vapor sorry for ping, but I’d love to make a master level mod, is there any overtly accessible level editors or do I really have to mess with coding?

I just want to change the spawns of a level, nothing fancy

[hidden bone]

can anyone help me? ive asked many times but nobody ever answers. why the battlemode series hasnt reset?

[azure oriole]

I don’t mind cybermancs I feel like the base Mancubi are a little too easy to dispatch once you get weapon swapping down.

It wouldn’t be a huge loss but I like that there’s a variant that can tank some more damage

[dense pendant]

bro, where da hell is my free "the ancient gods" DLC's ?

i was scammed

[azure oriole]

?

[dense pendant]

sorry

i am on other server

hihihi

[hidden bone]

saul u got any idea on what im talking about? maybe a clue or smth? cause im in despair

[azure oriole]

Idk

[jaunty vapor]

This changes the base question though. The question was "remove an enemy from the game, does it change the game"? Not "remove an enemy from the game and/or change how Doom Eternal handles difficulty/spawns".

[jaunty vapor]

The modding server would be a better place to ask that/get started

[young mango]

My bad

[jaunty vapor]

In fairness all Cyber Mancs die to frag + blood punch + SSG (or any combination).

[jaunty vapor]

Nah you're good. I just don't have any/much info about mod making

[azure oriole]

Yeah but I’m not going to use that same combo on 3+ cyber mancs

[eternal wyvern]

Bacon

[azure oriole]

There’s like 5 in the super gore nest master level iirc

At once

[young mango]

Ssg blood punch by itself is an almost guaranteed stagger and gives you your blood punch back

[eternal wyvern]

[azure oriole]

Boring

Spamming the same combination more than twice is just lame as shit unless you absolutely need to

people who complain about other people's play style in a single player game are lame

[young mango]

So like, you’re going to dump the majority of your Arsenal into the cyber mancubi’s when you can easily kill them? For what

[azure oriole]

No I’m just not going to continuously ssg + blood punch every single cybermancubi because it’s not as fun

Seems to be a alien concept to DE fans for some reason

[young mango]

Because it is

[azure oriole]

i was just watching some gameplay and people do sometimes kill cyber mancubi without ssg blood punching

[young mango]

It takes two LOBs to kill a cyber manc, that’s almost as much health as a baron, and you want to avoid using the most optimal tactic?

It may be boring but almost every enemy has an optimal tactic to be used on it

[azure oriole]

I already said that I’m not aiming to play perfectly optimally. It’s just funner to use different weapons from time to time. Don’t know about you but I’m playing DE with the goal of enjoying it.

[young mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077069514505728152/1105222163545477120/IMG_1725.png

Here’s my personal guide for killing enemies and this is mine for the cyber manc

[azure oriole]

Sometimes I want to pull out a mobile turret against a Baron or switch from the reliable SSG + ballista combo against a marauder because I’m not an AI that’s trying to finish DE in the most efficient way possible. Just my preference personally.

I have figured out most of the best weapon combos for certain enemies although I’m still working on mastering them

[vagrant estuary]

Guys when the demons invade earth in eternal is it suppose to represent the biblical apocalypse like in revelations

[azure oriole]

What do you think

[vagrant estuary]

like when how the demons killed 60 percent of humanity it's suppose to represent how famine, war, etc kill a portion of the earth

Like in the Bible

[vagrant estuary]

I dont know

wait are priests and the makyr suppose to represent the 4 hoursemen of the apocalypse

[azure oriole]

Y'ever get tired of dying in un again and again? I do

Never gonna play UN a gold skin ain’t worth allat

Did someone ping me?

If so ive been summoned

[vagrant estuary]

What a rookie guide

[young mango]

What is your definition of rookie

Or better yet

If that’s rookie, what’s pro, enlighten me, I bet you’re miles better at this than I am

[pallid lance]

dude chill i used that

[daring wharf]

Not sure if this is the right place, but how well does the raytracing work on doom eternal steam deck?

[young mango]

Most likely not at all

I’d be surprised if a handheld device had raytracing capabilities

[daring wharf]

I remember it now supports it and doom eternal runs extremely smooth on the device. I’m guessing it run around 40fps.

[primal estuary]

waos

just 40fps on the deck?

[young mango]

You were born in 2009 you absolute noggin

[daring wharf]

40fps feels really good if you turn down refresh rate. It feels pretty smooth.

Eternal can run at 60fps and I’ve seen people push it up to 70-75fps

[unborn dragon]

you have no idea how dissapointed i was to realise my computer couldnt run doom eternal after i had JUST bought it

[azure oriole]

Rip

[unborn dragon]

had to refund it

[young mango]

Bullshit it “can’t run” doom I used to play that shit on a dell laptop

Granted It was 30FPS but it worked

[unborn dragon]

my pc dosent have a graphics card

[young mango]

My old one didn’t neither

[daring wharf]

That would probably help

[unborn dragon]

it would keep giving me this error "cannot run" everytime i tried to launch it

now i just gotta stick to 2016 and all the other classic doom games

atleast i have BD so thats a plus

[daring wharf]

A while ago, my pc would crash when I started playing doom eternal. It was because it was overheating. I had to get a new case.

[unborn dragon]

i can run doom 2016 good enough, its just choppy alot

older doom games and quake run perfectly

[sacred dirge]

Is it though

[azure oriole]

Nightmare kicking my ass

Mostly because the game feels so much more restrictive without upgrades but caco’s fucking suck

[midnight sparrow]

I mean they are a couple decades old so makes sense

[azure oriole]

It’s pretty funny that the only protection the first hell priest has is the worst fodder possible

[lapis saddle]

I assume the real resistance got got before we take control of the Slayer.

[azure oriole]

wait until he plays cultist base

I already have

Currently playing on nightmare rn

Ranak was smarter than Nilox

[vagrant estuary]

@young mango i need help bro

I need your techniques and combos to kill imps and gargoyles

[young mango]

What

[vagrant estuary]

like you did in your other techniques

[young mango]

Did you ping me specifically to be a jackass again

[vagrant estuary]

no

I seriously you idiot

I need a combo on how to kill a single gargoyle

[young mango]

Sticky bomb

[vagrant estuary]

They fly too fast, no use.

[young mango]

Precision bolt, it’s hitscan, if you miss it’s your fault

[vagrant estuary]

I'm terrible a precision bolt, also no usem

[young mango]

Ballista

[vagrant estuary]

I need help you're the best doom player in this server

[vagrant estuary]

Their too small to hit, also no use.

[young mango]

Meathook then ssg, 30+ armor and it has a forgiving radius with spread

[vagrant estuary]

I think using the bfg is a good way a single gargoyle

[vagrant estuary]

If there is one 1 gargoyle use the bfg

[young mango]

Why do you insist on fucking with me today

[vagrant estuary]

Nope, the bfg is the best solution in fighting a gaygole

[vagrant estuary]

You are mean bro I'm not fucking you bro pls

[lyric lodge]

They really aren't that small. They're just flying imps. Ballista could easily destroy one and if your aim is really that bad the meathook is right there

[vagrant estuary]

no bro BFG is best solution to fighting 1 gargoyles

Gargoyles are just too hard to kill bro

[lyric lodge]

Bro spitting facts 🙏🙏

[vagrant estuary]

stop sarcasm pls you bad at doom

because bfg has tendrils it can kill any gargoyle

even if miss

[azure oriole]

Skill issue

[vagrant estuary]

Lol you bad at doom

If you don't use bfg against a gargoyle you bad

no

[midnight sparrow]

This dudes said wack shit before. There definitely trolling I refuse to believe there serious

[vagrant estuary]

No bro

[jaunty vapor]

Theyre being sarcASStic.

[azure oriole]

Worst troll I’ve ever seen in this server up your game son

[midnight sparrow]

That or just don’t do it at all

[jaunty vapor]

What? You mean be... Nice and respectful and have meaningful discussion?

But that would require more than 1 brain cell

Lol

I've done that too. Worst is when it's in a long discussion and I drag out ONE word and it considers it spam

[mental stone]

Darn it, I forgot to cuss.

[vagrant estuary]

You aren't nice and respectful

[jaunty vapor]

The nice part is subjective, but I'm extremely respectful because I give all of the facts objectively to questions regarding weapon stats, usefulness, etc, assuming each person I talk to is able to analyze the data effectively to whatever ends they need (whether they include bias/subjectiveness included, as there's nothing wrong with liking weapons that are less effective if the person has fun with it regardless, etc).

[azure oriole]

thats an obvious troll

[jaunty vapor]

I'm aware but the best way to deal with trolls is naivety. Nothing gets a troll more upset than someone not taking bait, or taking the bait too hard (like back in the day when people would use gay as an insult, just leaning hard into the "I hope my boyfriend knows" angle would get them riled up)

And in the case of Doom Eternal, nothing scares away people more than facts and numbers

[azure oriole]

Speaking of less effective guns, what is your least favorite gun to work with?

[azure oriole]

tru

[jaunty vapor]

My personal least favorite is Meme Microwave Beam. Buuuut it's also probably the best "bad" weapon.

It's not even really bad per se, it's just... Reaaaally inefficient.

Like it does have niche uses at a lower skill or medium skill level, and while I think there's better tools by a mile, it's not inherently useless or automatically outclassed by other things

[azure oriole]

I've heard people would use microwave beam for some down time, me personally, I just suck (for the most part)

not worth doing it u alrdy have a lot stagger options with ur equipement, maybe for spirits ig but its still better to just shoot until it dies

[jaunty vapor]

The main thing is that you're locked into stunning one enemy, which if you were 1v1ing a Baron or something, great. But most arenas have more than 1 enemy, and enemies "stagger" once they take about half health in damage, which then gives enough time to just kill said enemy most of the time. So microwave beam stunning 1 enemy is usually worse than just staggering and then killing the same enemy.

[azure oriole]

The lost souls are agony, I swear to God, I feel like I waste ammo shooting at them with a shotgun point blank, so irritating

precision bolt

Not worse than archiviles though

archviles u can do ice bomb + 2 lock ons and they die (u need the dmg suit upgrade)

Thanks, speaking about them gives me PTSD

1994

they are pretty easy to take down once yk how to deal with them

they are one of the weaker super heavy hp wise

So what are you, like pro?

I need answers, you seem to know stuff I don't

not really a "pro" ig im decent

idk what do u want me to explain

Nah I was just asking if you were really good at the game

I just be on practicing gunplay

oh i see, for gun play i recommend learning quick swapping

[azure oriole]

I'm really practicing, it's tough for me personally

are you on pc?

[sacred dirge]

Not a fan of beaming a Marauder LOL

[azure oriole]

If it’s funny idrc

The beam is definitely a very situational mod that I haven’t found that much use for but it’s a decent finisher for heavy demons

Even the less useful mods and weapons have their place in the sandbox and are enjoyable to use

The only gun I have a problem with is the unmaykr because it’s really not good enough despite the amount of work you have to put in to unlock it.

[azure oriole]

Bro I want to get doom eternal on my switch so badly I have all of them except for doom eternal

did taras nabad master level on nightmare

i am on my last fucking straw

anyway, im going to do it over and over again to train for un

[warped sage]

I just ice bomb the arch, then shoot lock-on rockets to it a couple of times.

Sometimes I blood punch first before doing rockets.

[azure oriole]

I usually just save my crucible for Archviles

[warped sage]

Yeah, that too

[vagrant estuary]

Literally just save your crucible for any super heavy that can be killed with it

Ain't got allat time to kill them

[azure oriole]

Console

PS5 specifically

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dont-hurt-me-mike-ohearn-jokester-joke-funny-gif-27699537

same

[azure oriole]

Playstation is a grown man's console 💯

x box has some fun mods tbh

but i prefer the playstation

[mental stone]

I bought it on my PS5.

I've been a PlayStation fan since I was five.

[sacred dirge]

Had a ps my whole life until recently. Good times

[mental stone]

I also have a Wii and a GameBoy Advance.

With my PS1, PS2, and PS3.

[sacred dirge]

I'm apart of the master race now

[mental stone]

So you're part of the Wolfenstein franchise?

[sacred dirge]

Nein

[azure oriole]

XBOX has mods?

[azure oriole]

some games yes

Holy

I need to get my hands on an XBOX lowkey

so does playstation in certain games

but ps mods are ass

I bet 🤣

the mods that exist are a feat to even be able to but on the console

How come I don't see any mods then?

External?

very certain games

no not eternal.

No bro, external

fucking skyrim and fallout4

[mental stone]

Not External, either.

[sacred dirge]

Skyrim. Fallout are examples. Not sure of others

[azure oriole]

Shame I don't play those

Wasn't much of a fan off gameplay I seen

a plague upon your bloodline

[sacred dirge]

Halo has forge that's another one

[azure oriole]

if forge counts, snapmap

[sacred dirge]

Love snapmap

[azure oriole]

My children need DOOM, and only DOOM

[azure oriole]

they will have chronic eye infections, speak in reverse latin laguages that are hyper-specific, and occasionally summon the dark ones

[azure oriole]

They gon be aight.

they will go to chicago

Damn

Fate worse than death 💀

[azure oriole]

im ass at making maps that arent imp room

exctly

Everyone in Chicago sounds either redneck or country

Still don't know why they shoot up there every other day of the week

Demons staying as far away from Australia as possible

[azure oriole]

Real daemons eat Australian spiders

there is something primordial in Chicago that makes people act like the only way to interact with others is to fill them with lead

[azure oriole]

It's all they know dude

Doomguy ain't no different

im sure there are no creatures native to that place

Except he EXCLUSIVELY kills daemons

doomguy kills for the good of humanity

Doesn't take away from my point

i only pee pee poo poo farted for the good of humanity

What good did that do 😐

[mental stone]

What's with all that crap?

[azure oriole]

some Samuel Hayden quote

[azure oriole]

🐬

We need a new game ASAP

[mental stone]

Maybe 2024.

[azure oriole]

more master levels

[mental stone]

It took four years for Eternal to be made.

So maybe it'll take that long for a new one.

[azure oriole]

need to make myself scuididal

because i want pixel marauder

[mental stone]

Maybe you should go to school first.

[vagrant estuary]

Whether if you're black, white, Asian, mixed, doomguy kills everyone equally with love.

[azure oriole]

And it was immaculate, but it still pains me to the highest degree

[vagrant estuary]

But then again I identify as a mar/auder

[azure oriole]

I don't think love is the right word

[azure oriole]

thats the 4 tribes in avatar

[azure oriole]

Tf are you on bruh

meth

Real

Night night

Don't let the doomguy bite

bro theres been 4 empowered demons and i haven't even been half way though the level

people dying more or somethin

also thr wolf feels like it has been nerfed

used to make you slow but not anymore

[mint gyro]

I just first tried doom hunter boss fight on ultra violence

One of my proudest moments lol

[azure oriole]

good

are there any new master levels confirmed?

No

[random idol]

is doom eternal worth it for nintendo switch?

[azure oriole]

Uhh... if it's the only piece of gaming hardware you own, then sure...

Otherwise no

[random idol]

my pc has trouble running quake, so yes

[azure oriole]

Then it is so

[azure oriole]

doom eternal is always worth it

Welllll....

doom eternal for the tv

doom eternal for the slushy machine

they're classics

[kindred star]

So is no one else gonna talk about how battle mode is so unfair?

[azure oriole]

people still play that?

cursed blueberry

[long idol]

Cursed blueberry

[azure oriole]

cursed blueberry

the legend of the cursed blueberry begins

[lyric lodge]

I'm not the one who can't meathook a gargoyle

[vocal echo]

Is there anyone that can help me out with the multiplayer trophies? I’m trying to get platinum

[jolly kernel]

soul spheres in like every Doom game be like 😮

do the Hell Priests have any combat experience at all?

all they do in their death scenes is either gloating/wanting mercy

[azure oriole]

I don't think so, they're just figureheads. they let other demons handle the dirty work

[jolly kernel]

of course

[azure oriole]

Maybe they have some but they're hardly gonna bust out their Thursday ju jitsu class against doomguy

[jolly kernel]

the purple goo sections is one of the few things about Eternal that I actually don't like

they slow the game down to a crawl

[strange gale]

...almost all of which can be skipped in their entirety

the only bit i can think of where you have to wade through goo for a grand total of like 7 seconds is when you get to the sentinel crystal in exultia

[jolly kernel]

eh, never thought of that

I have the tendecy to say things without thinking first

[strange gale]

you can then scrolljump up the wall behind the crystal to get directly to the platform up above

[jolly kernel]

lol

perhaps I should be more careful in regards to what I think of saying

btw guys, sorry if I’m bothering you. I’m generally not good in regards to talking with others

[lyric lodge]

neither am i

[jolly kernel]

I feel ya

so yeah, I will try to be more careful in regards to what I’n saying

[vagrant estuary]

gargoyles are so hard to kill idit

[azure oriole]

No they suck

[thin coral]

Bethesda should take the Battle mode in DE and make that a separate game and let up to 40 players on any given DOOM map play as Demons or Slayers. Whoever is still alive wins for the team they are on. Just saying.

Also it’s 20 v 20

[azure oriole]

@azure oriole do you have any lore statements supporting that Davoth is sub universal?

In a convo on another server so just interested if you could point me to anything

[azure oriole]

I have no clue what "sub-universal" means.

Below universal in power

Yeah but I don't really know what "universal" means in this context either.

Like, he can destroy universes?

Create or destroy

Yeah no Davoth can't do either of those things.

The Codex provides an explained view of Davoth's power and its extent through the TAG2 lore.

The Slayer got his power from a shard of Davoth's Life Sphere, said shard comprising his power. Meaning that Davoth's powers, the things that separate him from mortals, were transferred to the Slayer.

Therefore Davoth's power at its peak is observed simply by observing the Slayer's power. That is, superhuman strength, agility, and lifespan. He's like a Marvel superhuman on steroids, like Captain America.

Very very strong, but not "universal" or whatever. Davoth's danger wasn't in his strength, it was in his ability to command Hell's forces and manipulate others.

Thanks. I think his most impressive feat besides creating the father was corrupting a boundless dimension (Jekkad/Hell) in his anger.

So some reality warping ability at least?

[slow sigil]

I read it more as a shard of his power, ea only a part of his power is in doomguy

[azure oriole]

It's not even confirmed he made Jekkad.

All we know is this:
-TAG1 asserts that the Father created everything, including Jekkad.
-TAG2 confirms this is not the case, Jekkad predates the Father; however, the Father still most likely created Urdak and the Earthly realms.
-We only see one thing capable of creating dimensions, and that's the Luminarium. The fact that it can do so is never implied to have been a lie.
-Davoth was created by a higher power, and he himself never displays the ability to create dimensions.

I am thus led to believe that Jekkad existed before Davoth - the Mysterious Voice created Jekkad, and then it created Davoth as Jekkad's leader and ward.

[jolly kernel]

would using the Ballista’s mods be worth it?

I never used them

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/arbalest-percent-doom-gif-19606696

[lyric lodge]

Dblade is really helpful for clearing stuff out

It's dmg is damn good too, working against tyrants and shi

[azure oriole]

yes

[jolly kernel]

damn

[azure oriole]

and has the most badass charge animation

I don’t regret the hours of slayer gates, the unmaykr is fun asf

first person i seen liking the unmaykr

Sucks the ammo is limited but still OP

if it had more ammo then maybe i wouldve used it more

[slow sigil]

Dblade is the strongest single target damage attack in the game, precharging it is quite strong
Arbaleat is for possesed PEs ig

[azure oriole]

separate ammo from bfg

[lyric lodge]

The ammo is it's main drawback. BFG ammo is already hard to find enough and add on top the fact that the BFG is just superior

[azure oriole]

I didn’t really plan to use it, just tryna 100% the game again

[slow sigil]

Just wait untill you see how OP the bfg is or how "OP" pb swapping is

[lyric lodge]

I can see the unmakyr being fun tho

[azure oriole]

ye no shit

[jolly kernel]

sounds good. I will use that mod more often

[azure oriole]

Fun asf when you turn on infinite ammo

[lyric lodge]

Absolutely

[azure oriole]

sad that there arent many overdrive powerups

[azure oriole]

I know, but I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed he was responsible for Jekkad turning into hell

Also

Does anyone else experience this glitch in arc complex where you fast travel but once you start moving the mission immediately ends?

It’s happened to me twice

[azure oriole]

He was.

[azure oriole]

Ballista and super shotgun>>>> everything

overused combo but good

[young mango]

You’re wrong

Technically the most optimal two weapon combo for dps is rocket launcher and ballista with BATS, or super shotgun punchswapping, alternatively, as a single weapon combo, especially if you have blood punch

[azure oriole]

whats bats

[young mango]

Bring up animation transition switching

[lyric lodge]

Pb is crazy too

[jolly kernel]

yeah precision bolt is so good

it deals a good amount of damage

[young mango]

You transfer one weapons bring up speed to another’s, so transferring the bring up speed up of the heavy cannon to the rocket, than the ballista, and then indefinitely chaining it, makes it the most high dps two weapon combo in the game

Although with the caveat it has a fairly high skill ceiling

[jolly kernel]

I usually swap between the super shotgun, precision bolt and ballista with the occasional rocket launcher shots too

and it's so damn effective

[azure oriole]

i see

[azure oriole]

pb rocket feels so good doesnt it

oh so pb rocket also uses BATS?

[lyric lodge]

There's also a video on it. Kinda forgot who it was from I think it was smth like sylvar? Idk

[young mango]

But it’s not just the transference that makes it so good, it’s the fact that it cancels ANYTHING, making it insanely quick, it can cancel dblade and lock on even

[azure oriole]

yea he is the guy who invented a lot of techs

[lyric lodge]

Bro is a mastermind

[azure oriole]

oh what the heck dblade too thats op

thats almost like dksms

[young mango]

You’re half right, it doesn’t use BATS but it uses a sort of BATS applicable state, BATS directly is mod cancelling out of a weapon

[jolly kernel]

I should try out punchswaps. I remember Tammie telling me you can kill a Tyrant in less than 5 seconds by doing that

[azure oriole]

i see

you can either punchswap or use sylar lock on

for tyrant, it kills in like 8 seconds

[young mango]

Yes, because a tyrant has 10000 health, and if you go at him with a super shotgun and blood punch, that’s 1600, 1000, 1600, 1000, etc.

[jolly kernel]

I will try this out now

[young mango]

But it’s best done Ice bombing him, because not only do you get the frostbite damage increase, but health back to stock up your blood punch, in tandem with flame belch it’s insanely powerful, especially at full health and armor

[jolly kernel]

wow

[azure oriole]

are individual rockets in doom eternal's lock on as strong as a single rocket? because the ones in doom 2016 are weaker in lock on

for which sylar has another tech which fixes that

[strange gale]

LOB is worse than regular rockets against tyrants and barons specifically

630 dmg per rocket instead of the normal 900

against maras LOB is slightly better though, 675 LOB vs 600 normal

[jolly kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2j2ETuI_GM

[azure oriole]

Whats good fellow slayers

How can I get some people to play online with?

[azure oriole]

knew it

The rocket launcher + ballista is pretty reliable against heavies

Combine it with a SSG and/or bp and you’re golden

[jolly kernel]

I can't tell what I'm doing wrong in regards to slob because it just doesn't work for me

[azure oriole]

Slob lol

[jolly kernel]

I use the precision bolt, immediately switch to the rocket launcher, fire a rocket and that goddamn lock on mode still takes time to lock on

[azure oriole]

Guys why does my super shotgun shoot 1 time before reload in doom eternal shouldnt it shoot 2 times?

No you’re thinking of 2016

My friend told me it shoots 2 but oke

[azure oriole]

it looks easy but i still cant do it 100% of the time

[jolly kernel]

I think I managed to get it right once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NfjtOLenRs

I swear I do the exact same thing he shows but it just doesn't work most of the time

[azure oriole]

yea

i like the marauder bully videos

[young mango]

You’re going to want to spam click left click after the lock on mod is activated

And to get the second lock on keep spamming left click but let go of right click

[strange gale]

you can also hold right click for the duration of the 2nd volley, really doesn't matter

you can't swap away any faster if you release right click early

[jolly kernel]

well well

I started to do it well!

pretty much DE in a nutshell. you master features as you try them out more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6K_f7RY4Y8

[frank ridge]

it take practice

when you do your precision bolt, you might want to hold the fire key before you switch the rocket launcher

then after your first rocket, immediately let go of fire and start your lock on

[jolly kernel]

yeah, I found that out

you have to immediately click the alt fire button after firing the rocket

[azure oriole]

I generally dislike the Archvile, damn near pulling my hair out, this is ridiculous, just jumpin me with a horde of other demons, trying to take out an Archvile is like trying to shoot into the lake of Del Lago in RE4, no bueno

As much as the game is fun, Hurt Me Plenty being Normal Mode and still getting wrecked, it's making me feel some type of way 🤣🤣🤣

At least I am at Taras Nabad now, pretty sure I am endgame right now or post-game

[slow sigil]

post game is only the dlcs, as long as you gain campaign levels it's still part of the main game

[azure oriole]

So I would technically be endgame then

Once I get the DLC, then that is post-game

[azure oriole]

Thanks for the heads up on that

[azure oriole]

yo guys what is ur fav doom song

very fucking hard to say but im gonna say rip and tear or into sandy's city

I despise whoever thought adding extra demons into the gladiator fight was a good idea

ye man

all boss fights actually

I think they add to the icon and doom hunter bosses and the drones aren’t intrusive during the khan maykr boss

But jesus this is bad

They literally just had to copy the cyberdemon fight!

[azure oriole]

crazy how i never could get those in the original

[azure oriole]

tbh mine is rather mars core lost city of habeth theme,bfg 10k,rip and tear or the only thing they fear is you

I want to focus on fighting the gladiator not have my attention taken away by some random imp or prowler

i love fighting all bosses

Gladiator is alright but could’ve been so much better if some more thought was put into it

Which annoys me a lot

[azure oriole]

could be worse truthfully

tbh has anyone noticed that the darklord fight is easier than the icon

i played both on ultra and still won against davoth with a few tries

[azure oriole]

can i get an autograph

🙏

and some one needs to explain how my acc went from lvl149 to lvl 1 and i have to do all the campaigns again cuz i cant play master missions and my settings reset and i dont remember them

[azure oriole]

yes

[azure oriole]

thank you

[azure oriole]

np

[azure oriole]

this actually broke my heart tho

[azure oriole]

you and him. 1v1

what

Gladiator shouldn’t be giving me this much trouble bruh

Resisting the urge to use sentinel armor

[slow sigil]

turn it off in options