doom-eternal

[cyan frigate]

oh for real? hmmm i havent seen any explanation on it. the clip i remember most showed the player swinging but picking up a crucible charge mid swing or something along those lines i wanna try to mess with it 😮

[rich flare]

just verifying my files just incase

[azure oriole]

Can't hurt to check, narrow the list down and you may figure it out

[rich flare]

fr

[azure oriole]

I miss using my computer, it was a HP Pavilion, it doesn't connect to WiFi no more, had it for 10+ years though

I still have it, but can't use it

May just possibly one of these days just build up something new from it

[rich flare]

fair

i just built my own pc not the greatest specs but its good enough to run doom at low with like 120+ frames average so

[rich flare]

6 files failed to validate lmao

[azure oriole]

Lol

Wonder which ones are the issue

[surreal summit]

Anynone know why cant i play campaing On ps4? Ive Got it on ps plus extra. Yesterday it was fine. Ive almost comlpleted offline trophies. Now it says i have to buy full version of the game.

[mystic birch]

Your ps plus extra ended or its a glitch.

[azure oriole]

tf i just spawned in ws ml with only an unmodded combat shotgun

nvm i chose classic mode mb

[rich flare]

turns out none of them lmao

my things just broken anyway

i think my game just has a seizure when i quick swap too much and decimate enemies

[alpine plaza]

pc doesnt want you to rip and tear

[dull herald]

pc is trying to save him

[rich flare]

i rip and tear with a pb rocket so fast it breaks my entire game ;-;

like i just recently got like the fastest i possibly can and it just destroys my sound lol

[alpine plaza]

lol

[rich flare]

i mean it even continues after that tho so idek if its my quick swapping

[azure oriole]

Question: Me and my big bro have Doom eternal. But I have it for nintendo switch and he has it for PlayStation 4. Can we still play together online this game? Does it have a cross play feature?

[young mango]

No it is not cross play sorry

[azure oriole]

Ok okay. :(( but thanks nonetheless

[rich flare]

im so confused

i shot a bfg and it was hitting fodder for like 5 seconds

none of them died

[alpine plaza]

must've been a glitch

[true storm]

Damn i realized i forgor this game i was off only since january

I die often i didn't think it'd be this bad

[alpine plaza]

i took a month off once and got back to it and sucked ass

havent played it since

[azure oriole]

Wow lmao, couldn't handle the Doom Slayer's raw savagery

[rich flare]

I took a 1 and a half year break between console and pc and have progressed farther in 4 days than i did in my months of playing on console

So i just have a skill issuent

[alpine plaza]

im convinced that if i played in pc i would be a demigod at the game

[rich flare]

I forgot the opposite of issue

[alpine plaza]

answer?

[rich flare]

Tbf the first day i was slow at everything then i played for another day got better at aiming and then i proceeded to start quick swapping and then 3rd day completed all of the campaign and dlcs on nightmare lmao

[alpine plaza]

wow

that is some fast learning

the closest ive gotten to playing doom eternal in pc is a game in roblox

[rich flare]

I have that with like every game its weird and ive also already put almost 80 hours into the game

[alpine plaza]

hellraven arena i think its called, its like doom eternal but against other slayers

and i did pretty good

[rich flare]

I played that

I bullied people i bully in actual battle mode aswell

[alpine plaza]

never was a fan of battlemode

played it once in a while but not my thing

[rich flare]

Ive played it like 3 times i dont enjoy it alot

Im just doing hudless nightmare runs now cus i dont got alot else to do and attempting ultranightmare here and there

[slow sigil]

Ypu'd be shocked how much is game knowledge and not just having more buttons

[alpine plaza]

its not about the buttons

well maybe a little bit

its about the mouse and the movement

[dull herald]

no

you could literally only use dash and ur good

[alpine plaza]

im convinced the only thing stopping me from being a beast at the game is the controller

[dull herald]

its you

[rich flare]

Lmao

[alpine plaza]

i swear

[dull herald]

controller is just as able to play like a beast bro

[rich flare]

It might be grip style

[dull herald]

claw and shit idfk

[alpine plaza]

yea but i am way more experienced playing with keayboard

[dull herald]

well then there you go its confirmed its you

[rich flare]

Thats fair id be awful with controller too tbf

[azure oriole]

i beat everything on UN on controller i think u can too

[dull herald]

lmao

[novel pivot]

Balls 😂

[rich flare]

With controller i have the motor skills of a room temperature grapefruit so

[novel pivot]

Big long hotdogs

[alpine plaza]

im sure i can if i keep playing but it would be so much faster playing with pc

[azure oriole]

yeah pc does have a huge advantage over consoles

[rich flare]

Pc = 60000 frames = fast meethook

[novel pivot]

Coc

[alpine plaza]

its the learning curve

[dull herald]

great minds think alike

[rich flare]

Id love to see what a meat hook would be like with 1000fps

[novel pivot]

Testicular hernia

[azure oriole]

i wish paddle were counted as separate buttons

[alpine plaza]

ive been playing on pc since forever

[novel pivot]

Testicles

[azure oriole]

ur not funny bro

[novel pivot]

Come in bot speak

[alpine plaza]

and i just started playing on console over a year ago

[novel pivot]

Never said I was

[rich flare]

Ive played on a console for 90% of my life tbf

[dull herald]

Balls 😂

[novel pivot]

[rich flare]

But im way better at pc in general

[novel pivot]

Balls😂

[azure oriole]

same too broke for a pc

[dull herald]

being good at pc after a little is kind of a given, its a lot easier to control and get used to

[rich flare]

I spent like 7k for mine and its not even that powerful xddxddxddd

[azure oriole]

how many fps

[alpine plaza]

no way

[azure oriole]

7k for a mediocre pc means u got scammed or smth

[alpine plaza]

scammed is an understatement

[rich flare]

Like 130 av on low lmao ;-;

[alpine plaza]

the series s is 300 dollars

[rich flare]

But idc im a rich hacker man so ill get a better one eventually idc at this point

[azure oriole]

yeah u got scammed smh

[alpine plaza]

actually i think its cheaper

[azure oriole]

i need a ps5

[rich flare]

Prob but idm im a cool gamer who got scammed like 3 years ago at this point so who cares lol

[azure oriole]

i want that 120 fps so badly

[rich flare]

L

Just come to my house bro fr

[dull herald]

going from ps4 to ps5 was weird the controllers are so much more fat

[rich flare]

Wow fat shaming?

[azure oriole]

i have big hands so doesnt matter

[dull herald]

well i guess it won't affect you as much then 🤭

[azure oriole]

hope i can double claw on it ps4 controller is small af

[dull herald]

small is good for a controller

in my opinion anyway

[sacred dirge]

My x box elite 2

[fallen heart]

the 300$ Xbox series s runs 120 fps on Eternal (if u have the 120+Hz monitor/cables) and the meathooks on 120 are speedy enough. Its what i do my speedruns on

[alpine plaza]

yoo i didnt know that

[drifting holly]

My calculator can handle doom too

5-10fps

[rich flare]

What about doom 64 tho

Or classic doom? I could run that at atleast 2fps

[nocturne lynx]

Series S can do 120 FPS?

[azure oriole]

underrated console ngl

[azure oriole]

It's pretty cool that you can play the original doom 1 and 2 in doom eternal, you just gotta get all the cheat floppys, and putting the code FLYNNTAGGART in the code input on the old pc in the Slayer's gaming room

[azure oriole]

I just unlocked doom 2, in doom eternal

I just need all 14 floppys to get the original doom

[cobalt orchid]

Wait u can play doom eternal?

[azure oriole]

You can play doom eternal!!!

[cobalt orchid]

No like I mean like earlier I couldn't play it supposedly I don't have the campaign

[azure oriole]

You can play the original doom from 1993 in doom eternal, if you get all 14 cheats, and you can get doom 2 by putting flynntaggart in as a code on a boxxy PC from the 90's in the slayer's gaming room

Which is found behind the engine in the fortress of doom

[azure oriole]

Bro you said this already 😭

I'm so done bro what the hell bro

I was saying it again for @cobalt orchid

[jolly kernel]

here's a funny video compilation idea: all glory kills but in reverse

the Slayer reviving demons and putting their bodies back

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-insane-insanity-crazy-nuts-gif-13969946

[warped sage]

Fun fact, the classic DOOM games load from actual IWADs, so if you own the Steam version, you can copy the files included within the game’s directory and play it with your desired sourceport!

So if you own DOOM Eternal, in some way you also own DOOM and DOOM II.

This is probably a fact that most people have already known, but I think it’d still be worth reminding.

[jolly kernel]

man, we have come far since then

playing Doom in Doom

I never saw anyone playing through the entirety of either Classic Doom game in DE

[azure oriole]

I might do so after getting all the cheats to get it

[sharp wolf]

Crying bc ive been trying to beat the dark lord for half an hour

[azure oriole]

You can do it, we know you can

[jolly kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfQQw3inCTg

[azure oriole]

Just don't give up

[sharp wolf]

Ight bet! 🫡

[azure oriole]

[dull herald]

but it was right above peters messages, he already saw

[azure oriole]

Oh, I kinda forgot

[sharp wolf]

I cackle

[azure oriole]

[jolly kernel]

there's a lot of times where a Carcass puts a shield just as I'm trying to glory kill a demon

one of the reasons that makes me hate them so much

[strange gale]

when the enemy does the thing it was designed to 🤯

[slow sigil]

You don't need pinpoint precision with aiming, so there isn't a big difference as with other FPS

[strange gale]

yea "if i was on pc i'd be good" is a major cope, it raises the skill ceiling but does little to nothing to the skill floor

switching platforms will make you worse for a little while, then you'll be right back to where you started

[azure oriole]

I now have 8-9 out of 14 of the cheats in doom eternal, I just need 6-5 more cheats to get doom 1993

I will 100% doom eternal, slowly yet surely

[slow sigil]

You can download it online for free

[azure oriole]

I'm on switch

[slow sigil]

Your phone can run it

[azure oriole]

I'm not gonna emulate doom, are you crazy?

[strange gale]

but it wouldn't be emulation

doom's been ported for everything

[azure oriole]

I'm just gonna get all the cheats in doom eternal on my switch, so I can get doom 1993 without buying it

[strange gale]

the way you worded this... it's not that serious

[azure oriole]

[rich flare]

Lmao i mean you right

[rich flare]

But he ez you using hammer after he gets stunned or no?

[sharp wolf]

Ye

[rich flare]

Also use the hammer on the dogs when theres 2 it gives a full hammer charge back or just shoot them it works too

[sharp wolf]

I finally did it like 6 minutes ago

[rich flare]

W

[sharp wolf]

It was hard bc if I shot him while he was not green lighted he would regen

[rich flare]

I just wait for the anim on it tbf and whenever he spawns the 4 heby and supr heb demons i just hammer them it works it kills all of them instantly if you do it in the middle of them all so

[split wigeon]

Doom bettah in pc or ps5

[sharp wolf]

Plus I played on altra nightmare

[rich flare]

Nintendoswitch

[split wigeon]

I hope a doom game is released for ps5

[sharp wolf]

So really hard

[rich flare]

So you just werent dying? W

I play on nightmare but i dont have the time or skill for ultranightmare so

[sharp wolf]

No that's where your wrong

I died ,
A. L O T.

[rich flare]

How tf did you play ultranightmare then? Just replayed the entire dlc?

[sharp wolf]

Unfortunately ye

[rich flare]

Fair enough

Dark lord is pretty easy to beat tbf i can just consistently do it lmao

[sharp wolf]

I challenged myself after beating the campain only on too young to die

[lyric lodge]

thats way too insane of a jump

[rich flare]

Going from too young to die to ultranightmare is a bit weird but ok

I mean i just started on nightmare on pc cus im cool so and then beat everything the game has to offer almost so im just attempting ultranightmare and master levels lol

[sharp wolf]

The "me personally" line did it for me

[rich flare]

?

[sharp wolf]

My friend said "me personally I would beat it on the hardest difficulty"

[azure oriole]

the regular difficulties dont matter
ultra nightmare does

[rich flare]

I mean in general if your used to im too young to die jumping up to ultranightmare seems uncomfortable also tell him to beat it on ultranightmare combat shotgun only

Chainsaw only

[azure oriole]

[lyric lodge]

hell naw thats just nuh uh

the amount of disrespect is insane but then again bro just kept dying anyway

[rose matrix]

someone in another server just said they thought the sgn and arc complex master levels were the same difficulty

[rich flare]

Bru

[azure oriole]

[rose matrix]

ok nvm i think they were confused

like they thought i was talking about campaign not master

[sharp wolf]

I did it didn't I?

[rich flare]

Oh fair i mean both are easy so idk

[rich flare]

Im finna beat everything on ultranightmare in your name

Aspirations

[azure oriole]

I never did the arc complex master level, but I did play the super gore best one, and I was getting whooped, and I was on I'm too young to die

[slow sigil]

Nightmare and ultranoghtmare are technically just as hard

[sharp wolf]

🫡good luck brave soldier

[rich flare]

Just one you cant die which if your good doesnt add difficulty

[slow sigil]

Well in both your point is to not die, and that happens just as quickly in both

[rich flare]

Ill do it when im home lel

[slow sigil]

In UN you're just unfairly harshly punished that's all

[rich flare]

Yea

Tbf i dont die often unless i do something stupid without thinking like being on 15hp and running up to a staggered cyber mancubus after he placed down whatever that zone attack is

And then just collapsing

[rose matrix]

unm feels kind of like a memory test in a way

like not exactly being super skilled just remembering how to do certain problem encounters

[azure oriole]

[rose matrix]

the nookslayer…

[cobalt orchid]

Guys can't play doom eternal campaign like it has the shopping cart on it

[azure oriole]

I had animal Crossing on my switch since December of last year, and I got doom eternal when it was on sale, I have animal Crossing and doom eternal on the same switch

[rose matrix]

which version of the game did you buy?
if you got the standard or deluxe editions, you should be able to play campaign
if you got TAG, you will only be able to play TAG + horde mode
if you got just DLCs, you will only be able to play horde mode

[cobalt orchid]

I mean I got the standard but it was like for the playstation premium

[azure oriole]

the video game subscription experience

[rich flare]

Fair

[rose matrix]

then that’s an issue with playstation premium

[cobalt orchid]

Probably then

[rose matrix]

you might want to ask official bethesda or playstation support cause i don’t really know much about this

[rich flare]

Ff

[azure oriole]

[jolly kernel]

Battlemode seems genuinely fun. I wish it wasn't dead

it can't replace traditional deathmatch though

[slow sigil]

It didnt try to

[jolly kernel]

of course, that's not what I meant

a traditional deathmatch mode for Eternal would have been confusing though

players constantly moving and dashing all over the place

[slow sigil]

Meathook

And you can't really remove many things cause then it wont be eternal and then what's the point

[jolly kernel]

yeah but it would be very disorienting imo

just because the mechanics work well in singleplayer doesn't mean they would work well against real-time opponents

[azure oriole]

Got the unmaykr lets go

unmake the maykrs

[warped sage]

Since DOOM and id themselves exists in the DOOM universe, I wonder what would be the in-universe explanation of them?

[slow sigil]

None, they where just fun to implement but have no lore because funny easter eggs dont have to be lore checked

[regal seal]

quick little thing: if the mods don't want memes to derail conversations, can they just make a meme channel, instead of banning them altogether?

[sacred dirge]

No

[slow sigil]

still gotta moderate that

[acoustic lark]

No.

[eager storm]

I hope this helps you to understand why we limit memes so heavily in this community.

1. We want people to be here for DOOM and not for memes

In the past we had a population of users here which only wanted to throw some random memes into a specific channel. The health of the server suffered greatly from that and that's why we went so strict about it. Be here because you love DOOM and everything that comes with it and make sure there is some context if you post memes.

2. No oversight evolves into bigotry

Despite the fact that we have mods from multiple time zones to ensure this place is safe and enjoyable for everyone, there may be cases when we are not looking at the chat. If left unattended, the memes being posted will start to turn hateful, and it may take a few minutes for the moderation team to react.
We actively work to prevent this from happening.

3. Out of context memes kill conversations

This is by far something a lot of people have been bummed with. Since we got so many channels to pipeline discussions with like-minded people it could turn into a whole other mess if people just post random memes or other forms of content that can derail a whole conversation.

[sinful anchor]

Hello, everyone. Does anyone know why the Playstation plus Extra DOOM ETERNAL appears in-game for purchase?

[rich flare]

Someone else is having that same problem try talking to actual playstation support and or id or somethin idk

I play on pc and actually bought the game so i have no experience with that but it seems like a semi common thing

[rich flare]

Yea this guy has it aswell so

[frigid cypress]

So why did the Slayer destroy the Father's life sphere instead of leaving it?

[rich flare]

Cus he did he wanted to bring back the dark lord

Maybe he couldnt do both or smth and the seraphim wouldnt have let him go with the dark lords one or smth idk

So breaking the fathers life sphere = stun seraphim = able to take dark sphere idk

[frigid cypress]

I thought the Seraphim couldn't have really done anything there?
And I'm sure the slayer could have stopped the seraphim regardless.
So is there a valid reason?

[azure oriole]

Doom lore.exe

Image and link perms when

[ancient nymph]

when doom guy gets back from work to feed Daisy

[frigid cypress]

That's cold

[ancient nymph]

Hell is very warm

But Daisy is pretty cold at this point yeah

And I’ll stop there

uhm why do I hear boss music? Uh oh I think I told one joke too many

[frigid cypress]

You don't deserve the boss music, you're fodder, get flame belch chainsawed.

[azure oriole]

Anyone else play a mastery level and start moving their feet and toes intensely?

[frigid cypress]

I... don't know...

[azure oriole]

I accidentally skipped the bubble arena on blood swamps idk what's happening

the what

[ancient nymph]

Don’t let me die. I don’t even drop good loot 😔

Cheeto bag and seltzer can

[azure oriole]

Yk where you have to go inside the big bubbles in the blood swamps?

The weird arena where you follow dog

[frigid cypress]

@ancient nymph You really do live up to your name

[ancient nymph]

i had to pick a fitting username. At least I’m honest

[azure oriole]

Yoink?

[ancient nymph]

Empty

Found chainsawed body with Cheeto dust fingers

[azure oriole]

uh big bubbles doesnt ring any bells to me im sorry

and there are a lot of "dog" arenas

[azure oriole]

I'll try once more, Yk that part where you go into that open area and there's that weird altar thingy? And then the green 'force field' or 'bubble' around it? Dw anyway but basically I skipped it somehow because the even didn't take place but I was watching other people play and they always had to pass it lol

oh wow

Idk why it bugged 💀

Actually, one thing I wanna learn is staying in the air. Please could I have tips on using the meathook and double jump to stay in the air?

did you skip the entirety of the bubble section?

[azure oriole]

Somehow but it sent me to where the last bubble would've been and I just fought demons without the bubble

[azure oriole]

meathook doesnt consume the charge when you use the floating hook in the air
but there are not a lot of those in blood swamps so try to grapple on from the enemies

Okey thanks

[azure oriole]

that is strange

I hate the misty part in the blood swamps but I think I'm on the last combat encounter now. Isn't that the one where you get spammed with demons for 5-10 mins straight, and there's 2 totems?

I'm wondering so that I know how far though I am so I don't need to panic anymore

yes
a totem in a big arena and a small one with a buffed marauder

[azure oriole]

Yep 😭

bro is fast

Lmao it's just so darn annoying

blood swamps is the peak of tag 1
the most difficult encounters

Oh man 😭😭

Honestly the samur boss doesn't look too hard

He spams spirits tho

he doesnt look hard
but man

Oh no

you will see well

Wait how many missions are in tag pt 1?

you can always cheese him, but the legitimate fight is hard

[azure oriole]

3 missions
uac atlantica
blood swamps
and the holt

each level is like what
45 minutes long

[azure oriole]

I saw a play through where someone started riding a cacodemon for some reason but yeah

ye that lol

[azure oriole]

Yeah it's nuts 😭

but i gotta say
the dlcs are better than the main campaign

more fun
many fun fights

Absolutely

uac atlantica has such a vibe

Samur Maykr has one of my favourite boss designs in the games tbh

ye

[azure oriole]

Ong I actually love it 😂

lol same

but blood swamp go hard

The first 1-2 encounters annoy me but I started playing doom eternal about 2 months ago I think, and beat the game in a week cuz I was busy. I got the tag 1 dlc a week later, and I've been busy so only got to blood swamps

[azure oriole]

The music, the gameplay, and even the map and whole design is perfect 😃

ikr

the first level of the next dlc is also really awesome
probably my favorite

Immora looks badass

I was talking here a while back and someone said that tag 2 is easier than 1 in terms of combat encounters

Hopping on doom now yay

[azure oriole]

best music in the game hands down

[azure oriole]

Fr 💪

[azure oriole]

it is ye
but the world spear master level... god

😭

What is a yellow circle on the map? Isn't that a boss encounter?

are you in a circular flat arena?

Nope

yes there is a boss fight at the end of the level tho

I know about the weird eye box boss fight tho

yes that one

Should I be worried? It doesn't look too intense but idk

Looks can be deceiving 😰

nah its a breeze

[azure oriole]

Okie thanks, I gotta pass this last encounter first tho

yes

get ready for possessed baron

Wait what-

yes

Okie brb 😭

Quick ways of killing baron? Should I just SSG-ballista combo?

freeze and lock on burst as much as you can and then ssg pb or whatever you like

Rocket and ballista combos are my favorite personally

Plus the freeze yeah

Yes

[azure oriole]

Alright thanks

Gatling guns turret has also been pretty good against them in my experience

But make sure you have some space if you’re gonna use that

Brb I gotta swamp my mods accordingly so I can make this easy before I start the encounter

[azure oriole]

pea gun

Idk mang it shreds through them on UV

yes i like it for the pewpewpewpew

but energy shield is w

[azure oriole]

Yeah same it falters them really quickly so I'll probably freeze them, throw some grenades and use the chaingun when I need to

Gotta say combats gotten so much better since I’ve fully upgraded most of my weapons and praetor suit

Bottomless always works really well for me too

Ok enough stalling I'm gonna go for it lol

go for it

The flashbacks of the absolute torture I went through doing this last time 😭

😢

FINALLY

Man that spirit baron nearly killed me and I have no extra lives

oof lol

That was actually insanely stressful and I thought the double totems was the climax of The fight but it only calmed down after I killed the 4 barons

ye

well the hard part is over now

[sour vapor]

Help pls, I can't play campaign.I got the game on ps plus extra a few days ago and can play campaign normal,but today the campaign is locked and requires me to purchase it

[azure oriole]

i dont know how playstation works and all but i think your ps plus subsciption ended

[sour vapor]

Definitely not ended man.If it is ended i couldn't even open the game

[azure oriole]

oh damn

[azure oriole]

Yep, I just reached the giant tower that you have to climb but this time it's harder than the other one

yes

Stress

I am at the huge arena now

pogg

[rich flare]

W

go on gamer u got this fr

im doing a ancient gods part 2 ultra nightmare smhsmh

[azure oriole]

Thankss lol

[azure oriole]

Good luck bro

[rich flare]

bro i died to a shield guy lmao

he just spawned infront of me and hit me with his shield lmao

[azure oriole]

ultra nightmare.exe

bro you should instead do tag 1 un at least it gives a skin

[jolly kernel]

the Shield Soldiers are the only reason I use the plasma rifle

[azure oriole]

unless you already finished that

[slow sigil]

dblade, meathook, outmanouvering

[azure oriole]

level 1 dblade take em out

Blood swamps completed

https://tenor.com/view/duuum-aprov-doom-approve-okay-meme-gif-16687031

Dom

[azure oriole]

I sent this gif, and literally a second after I sent it, someone reacted to it with✅

✅

[rich flare]

ok

i wont be able to beat it but yk eh

i havent done any un yet smhsmh ;-;

[azure oriole]

ah

[rich flare]

i dieded to a cyber mancubi lmao

im gonna listen to the original doom ost while doing this

[azure oriole]

lmao chad

[rich flare]

e2m1 he sawed the demons fr

its actually really good

[azure oriole]

bro i was literally listening to it rn wth

[sacred dirge]

[rich flare]

its a good track

[neat tusk]

Any fellow Switch players in here?

not looking for Battlemode participants, I'm not good enough for that just yet

[rich flare]

fair

tbh if you can be good on switch i respect you

[neat tusk]

Appreciated. Currently struggling thorugh ARC Complex on Nightmare.

Campaign

[rich flare]

thats understandable

[neat tusk]

It's surprising how well the game runs on that console -- 30fps ain't ideal for Eternal, but still reliable. At least, from what I've played and seen

[kind comet]

who do u think has the best epic kill ani

[neat tusk]

I also like how good the gyro is, apart from the occasional drift

[azure oriole]

the small buttons
30 fps cap
low poly textures
i have nothing but respect for switch players

[kind comet]

me

i am on switch

[azure oriole]

chad slayer

[kind comet]

works good tho

[neat tusk]

Not to mention low res + the occasional crash

[azure oriole]

haha yes

[rich flare]

i beat uac atlantica without dying

[kind comet]

didnt happend to me YET

[azure oriole]

nice

[rich flare]

ultra nightmare feels pog but the second level is gonna fuck me

[azure oriole]

yes lol

[neat tusk]

[rich flare]

i meant to at the end of the level go back for the rune but i forgor so

[azure oriole]

you have the music to back you up at least

[kind comet]

[rich flare]

fr

[azure oriole]

into sandy's city

[rich flare]

W song

[neat tusk]

After I had played through the entire campaign plus both TAG DLC parts, in total the game crashed on me 10-15 times

[kind comet]

🗿 the music🗿

[neat tusk]

likely more than that, honestly

[kind comet]

the worst thing on switch is that the download lasts for over 6 hours

[azure oriole]

have you tried playing either taras nabad or world spear ml
that might kill your switch

[rich flare]

thats partly your wifi and the disk write speed

[neat tusk]

Hah, not yet. I have however attempted SGN ML, Ultra-Violence. Crashed late into the level, but that was after several delays and breaks, putting the console to sleep.

[rich flare]

fair

i played the sgn ml and right at the end i gave up cus of the 5 tyrants lmao

[azure oriole]

oof

[kind comet]

bro why is there someone named jesus here💀

[rich flare]

jesus

[neat tusk]

Right, by "late into the level", I mean after the two Tyrants in the radioactive section.

[rich flare]

nope

i beat that xddxdd

[neat tusk]

On Switch?

[rich flare]

on pc cus i dont have a switch

tip for that is have a crucible charge and kill the first one normally if you only have 1 and then crucible the second one i do it even if i have more than one lmao

cus the doom hunter after you kill the first is aids so ye then i kill everything else normally

[neat tusk]

That's funnily enough PRECISELY what I did

[rich flare]

W but yea later in the level theres like 5 tyrants at once then after you kill those 3 archviles so

its over slayer i have the high ground you are just a usurper

ive had a marauder get ontop of something then be stuck there so i cant fight it lmao

i just realised i coulda used explosives

[neat tusk]

I remember now -- it was just after I got the Red Gore Key

That's when it crashed.

[rich flare]

ah fair enough

[neat tusk]

And unlike the campaign levels, checkpoints don't record progress. SO I'd have to do the whole thing over again.

[rich flare]

theres a double maraurder fight in the toxic part

yea but i get why they did that for master levels

[neat tusk]

I get it too, but it's just unfortunate for Switch players.

I mean, when it crashes, rather than an actual skill issue

[rich flare]

yea fair

it sometimes crashes on pc

not often but it happens even on high end pcs lmao

[neat tusk]

I did see that on someone's critique of the game. You seen Whitelight's video for the game?

[rich flare]

nah

[neat tusk]

it's super fun

brb

[rich flare]

also if you want a cool gamer thing you can do for maraurders idk how affective it is on switch but you can 2 cycle the maraurder with not alot of effort you can just go precision bolt when he attacks then use the balista then again precision bolt then balista do that twice and he staggers frfr

theres obv faster methods but its the easiest ive found

[slow sigil]

2cycle is super easy against the marauder

[rich flare]

fr

[neat tusk]

I imagine that's a good strategy, I just gotta get my aim right 🤣
I've just Super Shotgun + Ballista'd the dude, Rockets if necessary.

[azure oriole]

there are 0 cycles lol

[rich flare]

true

fair enough thats what i started with

[slow sigil]

bal-ssg-bal already 2 cycles with basically no effort

[azure oriole]

but cheesy

[rich flare]

i aint skilled enough for any of the other things cus i dont wanna put in the funny time i can handle double marauder fights its good enough

[slow sigil]

2 cycles cheesy???

[rich flare]

0 cycle

guys im at the funny part of blood swamps on ultranightmare wish me luck please

[azure oriole]

Do you mean luck or SPEED?

beat the funi

[rich flare]

both

[azure oriole]

Just move and use what you find

[rich flare]

i am lol

[wary totem]

should i reinstall DE

[azure oriole]

sure

In reality, demon slayer has infinite stamina like, non-stop running all day

How can he live without eating if the doom is eternal?

[rich flare]

FUCK

dude i got stuck on a shield mf ;-;

i got half way through it atleast

ill take it

[azure oriole]

Means you're playing as a book, not doom slayer

[wary totem]

praetor suit probably injects everything he needs to survive into his veins, he replenishes with demons, he probably just eats the demons and drinks their blood

[rich flare]

ouch

[azure oriole]

I dunno, do you want to play it? If you want to play it, then you already know if you should reinstall. That's just silly.

[wary totem]

i could buy tag1 and 2
basically, are tag1 and 2 good

[azure oriole]

defjnitely

[azure oriole]

Well living ALWAYS getting food into veins isn't so safe

better than main game

[azure oriole]

yup

[azure oriole]

Tag 1 is a masterpiece

Tag 2 is to easy and doesn’t give you a challenge but it has great scenery and cutscenes

[azure oriole]

world spear ml:

[wary totem]

can i just buy tag1 and 2 and then install the game?
also ive finished the campaign but i havent played in a while, will i be able to do it without suffering

[azure oriole]

uh no

[wary totem]

to which

[azure oriole]

If you were decent when you left the game most defenetly

[wary totem]

alr

do tag1/2 come installed with the gamepass version of DE

[strong totem]

I have a question. Is there any youtuber that does Doom Lore on the scale that matpat does fnaf or Necrit does League Lore?

[sacred dirge]

There's pretty great lore here pinned to the channel

[azure oriole]

I’m gonna be honest the icon of sin fight is complete doodoo

Literally every other boss in the game shows it up. Reeks of being rushed.

[neat tusk]

Dark Lord (of TAG 2) is not so good

[slow sigil]

no way

[neat tusk]

Icon of Sin was, while punishing, like the rest of the game, it still pushed you to use your arsenal and be clever, like with the rest of the game.

[azure oriole]

they decided to make tag2 easier for some reason

The reason isn’t really a secret

vega

Why is that the one swear that’s censored

[neat tusk]

I could think the Icon of Sin fight it was unimaginative, but it was still fine

[azure oriole]

Don’t get this server sometimes

funny how tag1 challenged you alot to make you improve at the game to just sweep through tag2, but i mean as long as it brings cash ig

if tag 2 had a fight with that titan boy would it be cool

[neat tusk]

That cutscene teased it so hard, then got rid of it instantly

[azure oriole]

ye man

[neat tusk]

Honestly Dark Lord felt like a glorified Marauder.

Extensive, too

[azure oriole]

There was a lot of stuff going on in the world during TAG 2’s development so I’m not surprised it turned out like it did

[neat tusk]

And I already fought two Marauder + screechers just earlier

[neat tusk]

No doubt

[azure oriole]

i honestly dont think its bad at all

[neat tusk]

I don't think it's bad either, just lackluster by comparison

[rich flare]

its not bad but i woulda prefered if they left it more open because when they inevitably bring back another doom game its gonna be like but why

he killed the boy who did the bad to him so why alive agian

[neat tusk]

wake up and smash another demon's head like a balloon again 🤞

[rich flare]

doom 2016 was cool but doom eternal is better

and if dooms eternal why did they end the story lmao

[azure oriole]

they cant make money eternally from that game alone sooooo

[neat tusk]

that's the really strange thing, as far as the story execution -- Base game ending: You're fight is Eternal

TAG ending: You killed your creator, you ded

[azure oriole]

i still like 2016 more than eternal ngl

[rich flare]

fair

[azure oriole]

but thats just me

[lapis saddle]

I actually like 2016 more due to how (ignoring the upgrades that break it) the ammo economy is significantly stricter. Also Snapmap

[rich flare]

each to their own lmao

[rich flare]

well he isnt dead hes just in a coffin with no immortality

[lapis saddle]

I still like Eternal though

[azure oriole]

i havent touched the main campaign in months now

[rich flare]

cus it happened in 2016 you wake up in a coffin hes in there until hes needed again ig lmao

[neat tusk]

Context and lore would imply it killed him, but I guess he, being the Slayer, probably just passed out. Too huge his guts are 🤭

[rich flare]

fr

[lapis saddle]

Yeah it’s presumably a case of the “the Doom Slayer will awaken once again when he’s inevitably needed again”

[neat tusk]

Probs

brb agane

[rich flare]

he wakes when people need money from games fr

[azure oriole]

true

[rich flare]

bro idk what im doing lol im playing doom 1 in doom eternal and im lost

[lapis saddle]

I expect the next game will be pretty different from Eternal but awesome in its own way. I hope they simplify a bunch and try stuff that goes in a bit of a different direction. Would particularly like to see breaking level parts Build Engine style, especially in the middle of arena fights to change the playing field

[azure oriole]

lol the pc

[rich flare]

dude i just walked into a room with 3 spectres and 3 pinkies wtf

[vestal escarp]

Need one for boosting

[azure oriole]

funny how slayer owns a pc from the 90's

[spiral sinew]

Hello I am new

[rich flare]

i mean im beating the funny

[slow sigil]

simplify? what areas?

[lapis saddle]

Old Doom throws large groups of guys a lot so 6 pinkies isn’t surprising

[halcyon plinth]

The only thing i would like its that they made a better version to get ammo because killing with the chainsaw is cool, but slow and breaks the momentum and speed of the combat

[lapis saddle]

I don’t like how abusable the chainsaw is, but I’m more talking about how you have a lot of moving parts in Eternal.

[slow sigil]

it's just a glorified reload button really if you think about it

it's a basic shooter reload but you have to be near an enemy to reload

[slow sigil]

i dont really know how you would really "simplify" most things without just.... straight up removal

[halcyon plinth]

It makes more sense now

[lapis saddle]

2016 made the chainsaw a limited resource, which is a better solution imo as you actually are punished for regularly missing shots or using the ballista on possessed or whatever.
By simplify, I mean remove some of the mechanics that have a less clear sense of purpose in the new combat loop however it works

[slow sigil]

in trying to make ammo more "tight" and "interesting", they got to the exact thing they kinda "scrapped" in 2016 and was kinda praised about by not having really any reloads

[sacred dirge]

Ironically 2016s chainsaw is the only thing that janks my muscle memory when switching

[lapis saddle]

I like making the chainsaw one button. Just not being able to use basically whenever you want with no consequences

[slow sigil]

i wouldnt call taht simplifying, more just making a new combat loop and desiging it around that and not forcing in old, "outdated" mechanics that dont add to the combat loop

[lapis saddle]

That’s what I’m getting at. The new game is almost certainly going to have a new combat loop and there’s no reason to bring back stuff that doesn’t make sense to carry over

[slow sigil]

yeah ofc

[lapis saddle]

Eternal has a significant number of pieces I can’t imagine making sense in a different combat loop. Namely blood punch and half the equipment launcher functions stand out

[sacred dirge]

Hopefully emphasis on each weapon being useful and having it have a purpose without a enemy gimmick to do so

[slow sigil]

i think blood punch could definitely fit atleast in some way

otherwise they would have to give punching either another purpose or scrap it altogether

and i think an "earnable" good attack like that is pretty nice, although the gaining it via redundant health/armour pickups is a bit overtuning

[lapis saddle]

Punching just working would be fine. If you’re getting that close to enemies who are dangerous to get close to, letting you just stagger fodder with the basic punch seems like a fair payout.

[strange gale]

you can already do that

[lapis saddle]

In 2016 yes. In Eternal not really

[halcyon plinth]

Maybe a little rage bar that charges by every kill that lets you activate berserk mode? And then having the opportunity to upgrade it to kill bigger demons?

[slow sigil]

staggering the type of enemy that would almost instantly die in a medium damaging attack and having that be it's ONLY purpose seems..... pretty bad

[lapis saddle]

You’re doing it without spending resources. In a game where resource management matters, that’s something

Punching being a situational tool that doesn’t cost resources to use makes more sense than whatever is going on with Blood Punch

[slow sigil]

but it's either pitiful and therefore useless, or it does just enough damage to where people will just boringly punch away because they feel like they are "forced" to do it to preserve ammo aswell

[slow sigil]

???? an earnable strong punch makes complete sense though?

how does bloodpunch not make sense?

[lapis saddle]

Earned melee attack in a game where nothing else is run that way.

There’s something extremely weird how swinging your arm and it doing anything useful is tied to a built resource

[slow sigil]

because it's much more interesting then just "spam e for free damage"

[slow sigil]

ok i can half understand where that is coming from though i dont fully agree

[lapis saddle]

Punches make more sense as risk and reward. If you get close enough to punch an imp without getting hit, it’s fine for the hit to do some damage without spending resources. The hard part was getting that close without getting scratched or burned

That shouldn’t necessarily be optimal or the expected thing to do, but letting the player do it if they really want to is gratifying in a visceral way.

[slow sigil]

i'd still much rather have it have actual depth behind it rather then just a button you spam because you missed a shot and you dont have anything you personally can do to gain ammo

and i think setting up a plan to have your hits be good and have actual thought behind is just as gratifying

[lapis saddle]

If you run out of ammo altogether, you should lose. If a player weaves in between fireballs to smack an imp down to save resources, I think the game should reward mastery of the game’s movement and understanding the enemy patterns. More than anything it feels really stupid to see the Slayer ripping imp arms off one moment then another he runs up to an identical imp and punching it seemingly just hurts his own hand

[slow sigil]

yeah true, normal punching should just be turned of quite frankly

[strange gale]

this is wrong btw, the base punch falters every fodder type enemy (even the dlc ones) on first hit, and the cooldown to this isn't tied to anything else so something ballista -> punch on a maykr drone falters it twice in quick succession

[slow sigil]

also tbf demons shouldnt really "have" patterns, they should be wild animals/self thinking soldiers

[strange gale]

only real difference is that 2016 doesn't put any cooldown on the punch falter

[lapis saddle]

I’d prefer disabling punches over the punch being pathetic, but I’d rather the punch actually do something. 2016 punches can put possessed in gk state immediately; in Eternal you can’t do that with 10 punches

[slow sigil]

in eternal punches do something
you just need to actually earn it

and so many buttons are tied to it they just have normal punching as a placeholder animation, and it gives a buffer for glorykills and stuff

[strange gale]

see this is all preference, you've been saying "i'd prefer" and "it feels stupid/weird" this whole time which i agree on, it feels off

but that's gamefeel, not gameplay

[lapis saddle]

Okay, and? Game feel is as important as how the game actually plays

Eternal did a fair bit right, but the game feel is significantly worse than 2016.

[strange gale]

but can you prove that to be the objective truth

to me as a fighting game player, bp feels significantly more fun to use than the 2016 punch or the frags in DE

[lapis saddle]

It’s subjective so no. I can say that it’s a complaint I’ve seen quite a lot

[inner jasper]

naaahhh

from personal experience i have to say DE was better in that department

[thorn turret]

Hi, im here for a cuestion, the machine gun, whats is better for super tanks?

[inner jasper]

But hey everyone s got their own opinion right?

[slow sigil]

precision bolt/ the zoom because you can swap it with ssg, rocket, and bal to do crazy damage

[thorn turret]

And the other maching gun is for what?

[slow sigil]

if you can't swap at all

[novel token]

Eternal way better all around than 2016

[slow sigil]

it's extremely niche once you get to know how to swap

[inner jasper]

i couldn’t agree more

[novel token]

machine gun? or chaingun?

if I go back to 2016 its okay but too slow after Eternal

[slow sigil]

heavy cannon
chaingun is a glorfied shield, all it is

[inner jasper]

Exactly

[thorn turret]

And a one question more, What can you advise me for Ultra Nightmare mode (I'm playing Doom Eternal for the first time in Nightmare)

[novel token]

Once you got your movement, weapon swapping and restacking on point, you should practice on Nightmare and learn demon spawns on each map arena

[lapis saddle]

I 100% prefer 2016. Only things I think Eternal did just better are enemy variety and upgrades not throwing balance out the window. Eternal actually feels too fast imo. 2016 weapons feel more distinct, the level design is more interesting, and automatic weapons are actually useful.

[azure oriole]

I will admit that the slayers attacks do sometimes feel less meaty than 2016’s which can make you feel kind of pathetic but that’s not usually the vibe in my experience

[novel token]

there is a #doom-2016 chat ya know?

[azure oriole]

She’s comparing eternal to 2016

[slow sigil]

do you even read the convo?

[thorn turret]

Ok, Now how do I do those very fast weapon changes with a ps4 controller?

[azure oriole]

And anyways I think eternals vastly better in most ways which isn’t really a hot take but just my thoughts after playing

[lapis saddle]

R1

[inner jasper]

The things you said is the exact reason why i like eternal more

[strange gale]

classic rules lawyer

[thorn turret]

I see persons change the weapon 4 times in seconds

[slow sigil]

2016 did quite a few things better then eternal, but the most important things eternal did so much better
though both games are still quite distinctive

[lapis saddle]

Hold fire and tap swap button

[slow sigil]

in contrast to the super interesting automatic weapons, for which you only need to hold fire

[azure oriole]

I think 2016 did very few things better honestly

[slow sigil]

also for pb swaps it's not really exactly that, as you need to be more in a rhytm with getting your modbutton

[inner jasper]

Eternal was overall a better game

[lapis saddle]

Automatic weapons are interesting as a situational tool. It’s kinda sad when single fire does the one thing automatic weapons are designed for better (damage over time).

[slow sigil]

in a vacuum, mobile turret technically does falter mroe

[inner jasper]

when you have to go fast you have to do fast damage too with an automatic you wont

[slow sigil]

this is so weirdly worded it has 2 meanings
for "automatics do less damage so why would you" well yeah that's one of the problems she thinks there is
for uhhhhh "you have to aim more?" i think that is more debatable because with automatics your individual shots matter less, but with semi-automatics you can aim at the last moment giving you more time to aim so uhh

either way..... i dont get their point lmfao

[lapis saddle]

Half the weapons being practically useless is really unfortunate. It’s made worse when the other guns end up blurring together from how they’re used.

[inner jasper]

wdym?

[azure oriole]

I prefer:
-Eternals artstyle
-Demon variety
-Weapons/upgrades
-Level design (much more vertical maps that emphasis good positioning and movement, with a host of fun little gimmicks as well)
-Setting variety
-Bosses
-Collectibles
Really the only things I’d give 2016 (and these are mostly inconsequential) is the worldbuilding, a small amount of demon designs I preferred, and additional content like MP, snapmap, and arcade mode.

[slow sigil]

but with automatics they would also all blend together, because why wouldnt you just take the one with the highest dps?

[azure oriole]

Also I really don’t agree with half of the weapons being useless lmao

[slow sigil]

as in getting the collectibles?

cause in eternal it's..... basically not really there so

[inner jasper]

You use all weapons or you run out of ammo

[azure oriole]

The collectibles themselves. The secrets are okay to get I mean they’re mostly very in your face.

[slow sigil]

either super obvious or you get a suit upgrade that just straight up tells you their location

[slow sigil]

also fyi i'm pretty sure molly mostly means "level design" as in the entire level and how it flows into itself, as supposed to arena design
level design in eternal is kinda barebones with it being almost boringly linear, hell it only barely turns back to itself aswell

[azure oriole]

I found myself using most of the weapons in the game including their mods once I fully upgraded them. I think the only guns/mods I rarely ever used was the heavy cannon main fire.

[slow sigil]

i mean you sure can do that but it sure as hell isnt optimally

[azure oriole]

But the precision shot was very useful and fully upgraded missiles did come in handy in some circumstances

[slow sigil]

if you start to understand how the game kinda works a lot of things start falling like flies

and balancing the game around people who know nothing is, well, bad lol

[azure oriole]

At times I did feel like the game urged you to abuse Ballista combos a little too much but there’s absolutely nothing forcing me to play that way

Idk if you’re implying I’m not good but I played on UV, so it isn’t like I didn’t struggle

[slow sigil]

no i was just saying in general taht if you really looked at things you would start do understand how many things are kinda redundant

you aren't "forced" to really do anything, hell you can play the game gUNless if you want, but that isnt the point

[sharp wolf]

Bruh I just spent 5 minutes typing a heart felt speech about doom 🤦

[slow sigil]

a game shouldnt be balanced around "oh but they would still wanna use it cause why wouldnt they :p" then it's pretty badly balanced

[sharp wolf]

I love this game too much

[azure oriole]

If you look at things like a robot figuring out how to complete a task as quickly as possible sure. And no it isn’t balanced that way lmao.

I can’t speak to the nightmare experience but on UV only using only 3-4 guns didn’t feel optimal in most situations

The majority of guns feel great to use, and I do play these games to have fun

[slow sigil]

thing is, why would i ever not do the best thing? if something is wildly more fun sure but still, if i can why wouldnt i?
straight up forcing yourself to not use certain things, especially if you always see it AND can always use it detracts massively from the experience knowing you can just simply press the "win" button

[lapis saddle]

So normally single fire weapons do higher burst damage but lower damage over time. Quickswap effectively means they can do both, leaving not much of anything for automatics to do. SSG normally is a high powered close range gun that has a long cooldown, while ballista is a long range weapon with high cooldown. The cooldown aspect gets sidestepped and optimal range suddenly matters much less since you can immediately follow up with the other gun. Every gun having its own thing(s) it’s good for and no way to negate their drawbacks means you have to think about the correct gun for the situation and is ultimately more interesting.

[slow sigil]

things should always be in a balance spectrum, where the strongest item isnt too far off from the weakest item so that everything is usable so that you never think "i am making myself weaker" simply because you are playing the game

[azure oriole]

Because it’s more enjoyable not to? Simply having fun seems like a concept foreign to some gamers. Nevermind the fact that the game isn’t so poorly balanced that it railroads you into using only a few guns to succeed.

Even the more situational tools do find their uses

[slow sigil]

well yeah but having the super fun partycannon 1500 isnt that fun if it does jack

plus having it more balanced also makes it more fun, because you know (aslong as you are playing well but eh) that everything you do is actually good and not just wasted time

[lapis saddle]

I actively try not to quickswap in most situations because of how it makes the game feel. In TAG and master levels I frequently feel like I have to quickswap because the game punishes not doing so pretty hard.

[slow sigil]

well, those are quite literally balanced around the fact that people do

[azure oriole]

This describes one firing type on one weapon lol

[slow sigil]

"yayyyy i love shooting!!! :DDDD"
15 minutes later
"yayyy this imp is still around to party with me :DDDD"

[lapis saddle]

I suspect the devs significantly underestimated how far quickswapping would be taken and how powerful it is, so I expect they’ll account for that when developing the next game.

[azure oriole]

The way you’re presenting your arguments makes Eternals weapon sandbox seem way more redundant than it actually is.

[azure oriole]

I imagine it’s worse on pc but considering my platform and skill level it isn’t incredibly OP

[slow sigil]

general swapping was accounted for, and i bet just simple quickswaps where accounted for
but they completely forgot the interaction fast weapons have on swapspeed so it's a soft oversight

[lapis saddle]

I’m on Switch. It’s pretty ridiculous even there once you get the hang of it

[slow sigil]

platform isnt a crazy high divide

[azure oriole]

It isn’t but you’re crazy if you don’t think quick swapping isn’t harder to get down on controller than it is KBM

[slow sigil]

a bit harder but really not that super so

[lapis saddle]

Sure, but quickswapping around 2 weapons isn’t hard on controller either

[azure oriole]

I’m not only going to use 2 weapons

[slow sigil]

quickswapping is generally only between 2 weapons

and otherwise you quickly go from PB to your other which is only a slight wretch in the wheel

[azure oriole]

So I’ve basically totally abandoned that tapping rb for swapping feature

[azure oriole]

Unless it’s the usual rocket and ballista combo for heavy’s I’m going to be rapidly swapping through my arsenal

[lapis saddle]

I think quickswapping would be fine if they
1: only let you swap after you could fire your current weapon again
2: have some special case for automatic weapons

[slow sigil]

i think that would make it feel extremely sluggish

[lapis saddle]

Not sure how the automatic special case would work though

[azure oriole]

But I do agree that quick swapping makes the ballista and rocket launcher a little too good for their own good

[slow sigil]

they have that in prey and got it feels almost infuriating to just sit around whilst you want to do something else

[lapis saddle]

If you can cheese the cooldown, that’s always going to be broken. The only other way to plug the hole is to delay the next shot once you’ve swapped.

[clever rock]

Hey

[azure oriole]

Maybe only put a delay on the really powerful single shot weapons like ballista and rocket launcher

[lapis saddle]

Basically it’s a problem if swapping lets you fire faster than you otherwise could

[slow sigil]

the only real excusable thing i could think of is to "freeze" the reload for the next time you go back to that weapon

[slow sigil]

and even then i think it would still be too sluggish for it's own good overal

[lapis saddle]

That would work

[slow sigil]

because otherwise you would have things like tapping a button and waiting for a quite random delay, or in the other example you swap and you can fire for no discernible reason despite having your perfectly fine weapon out

[azure oriole]

But as a whole the weapon balancing is far from bad and generally think the weapons are more satisfying to use than in 2016 (plus look way better). Combat shotgun and heavy cannons main fire were the only downgrades I took note of.

[lapis saddle]

If it’s that sluggish, you could balance the ballista and other slower weapons around a shorter cooldown.

[azure oriole]

It’s a minor feature but being able to customize the visual appearance of your suit and weapons was a great addition

If you don’t like the new suit just play with the 2016 skin

Or if you want a more cartoonish skin play with the classic doomguy skins

Etc etc

Once I got the bloodied shotgun I changed to it immediately

Fits the vibe of the SSG weapon better

[lapis saddle]

The SSG is probably the only weapon that has to have a significant cooldown. With the railgun, rocket launcher, and such making the weapon faster and balancing around that could work.

[slow sigil]

you could make the reload have doing both shots in individually to extend the cooldown without it feeling unorganic

[lapis saddle]

I think the Eternal SSG reload time is about right minus being able to cancel it.

[neat tusk]

As true as that is, it's also a skill to master -- You can kill more quickly with quick swap, but if you're good at quick swapping

On PC, that might not be hard to do, on console though it's more problematic

[slow sigil]

still a problem that it kinda just straight up makes most things ingame problematic

but then again automatics are more boring by design, swaps atleast require timing

or rather rhytm, not much timing

[neat tusk]

As in, it further adds to the layers of mechanics, raising the skill ceiling?

[slow sigil]

no as in it means that you can ignore half the things ingame which is bad

[neat tusk]

Ahh

[slow sigil]

you dont really "add" by subtracting half

[lapis saddle]

Mechanical skill is kind of a boring thing to test imo. I want interesting tactics and hard decisions, which quickswap combos undermine

[neat tusk]

I see

I guess that's why TAG 1 was designed the way it was, with more possessed demons

Limited the effectiveness of the Ballista

[lapis saddle]

Yup

[slow sigil]

luckily it didnt do something stupid like making pb rocket stronger then it already was

or lockon

[lapis saddle]

My personal favorite Doom is the original. Partly because the dexterity aspect doesn’t ask much (the only physical skill with a meaningfully high ceiling is movement), but you get lots of interesting tactical puzzles and a dungeon crawl style approach to level design. Doom 2 has the same core mechanics with better enemy variety but the levels are more spotty (there’s lots of amazing mod campaigns though)

[sacred dirge]

Luckily you can play psx and have a ssg. Psx is probably my favorite way to play doom now. Psx ce anyways

[neat tusk]

Cool, totally fair. I haven't played through the rest of the OGs yet, so I'd have to find out for myself

[neat tusk]

what's PSX, sorry?

[sacred dirge]

The orginal playstation port of doom
93

[neat tusk]

Aha

[lapis saddle]

I highly recommend the old games. The gameplay still (mostly) holds up.

[slow sigil]

good game design with good simplified yet stylistic graphics

[lapis saddle]

Yup

The art style of early Doom reminds me of 90s cartoons.

[neat tusk]

Music's good, too

[lapis saddle]

Yup

[slow sigil]

"how far can we get away with stealing music and tweaking it without being sued?"

[lapis saddle]

Doom 2 music is a bit more original at least. It also has my favorite old Doom track (Shawn’s Got the Shotgun)

[sacred dirge]

Bobby apparently said it was all his original work

[slow sigil]

yeah no

pretty sure some parts are straight up just riffs from other bands

[lapis saddle]

I could buy that he wasn’t trying to rip anyone off, but there was some definite copyright infringement going on

[neat tusk]

I think Mega Man had the same problem, and I'm unaware of complaints regarding it

[slow sigil]

could be that they accidentally recreated it but really odd how noone on the way thought "this sounds familiar" or something like that

[sacred dirge]

https://youtu.be/hqZHQxVAc88

[lapis saddle]

Sigil (Doom 1 unofficial 5th episode) has an amazing soundtrack in particular. That one is made by James Paddock and is pretty original AFAIK

[slow sigil]

ngl the favourite video game music moments i can think of is in dusk during erebus reactor

loading in, and just hearing it already go off.... fucking magic

[lapis saddle]

Dusk is fantastic

[slow sigil]

the grin on my face thinking "wait.... this is going to be an utter slaughter isnt it?" and then walking out the starting area to see a bunch of monsters and then i die rather quickly was so fun

[midnight sparrow]

Metallica and Alice In Chains are great

[slow sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896461823786762300/1103798961527083169/image.png
oh cool even the youtube comments say it

[lapis saddle]

I wonder how many monsters you could put in a Dusk fight without making the pc crash or making the gameplay utterly miserable. It’d be pretty funny and/or rad if someone made a Dusk mod where you fight enemies by the 1000s

[sacred dirge]

Fucking A!

[midnight sparrow]

Isn't the game getting Steam Workshop support plus fleshed out modding tools?

[lapis saddle]

Yes

[neat tusk]

I also wonder if the Switch version won't crash during combat

[slow sigil]

i really wanna listen more to metal but i keep putting it off or not being in the mood

[midnight sparrow]

love David

[sacred dirge]

Yup main reason I picked up the soundtrack

[slow sigil]

plus there is so much options idk where tf to begin with, i could begin with everything

[lapis saddle]

I’m very much looking forward to Dusk steam workshop levels.

[slow sigil]

has newblood in recent memory releashed a singular stinker?

[midnight sparrow]

i don't think so. All there titles have been met with largely good reception

[slow sigil]

too bad they barely release stuff full, everything is early access

great for overall game health but god i just want to play the entire game at once

gloomwood and ultrakill both "suffer" from it

[midnight sparrow]

God can't wait for the first layer of Act 3 to come out

[slow sigil]

i'll play through it again when it is "fully" finished, the main campaign

or act 4 cause otherwise i would wait too long and aaaahhh

[midnight sparrow]

It's crazy the amount of content we'll be getting
-Act 3
-P-3
-2 Secret Levels
-3 Weapon Variants (Plus there alternate versions)
-Level Editor after full release which means workshop support most likely
-And any other little changes that might come along the way

[slow sigil]

Also hope it'll be a bit better balanced cause the midpoint of act1 i just fell like i could punchswap the shotgun to everything and that felt super lame

[midnight sparrow]

Having the weapon usage bar was a good way to balance stuff I think.

[slow sigil]

As in it gave more points/damage to swap?

Doesnt matter if you're getting max points because you are doing so "many" unique things

Cause wow look you're exploding the enemies, crazy damage, AND punching your own bullets!!!

I just maxed it out on ultrakill almost the entire time and idk it just felt lame so i bounced off a bit, will get back and stick through it more once it launches more fully

[midnight sparrow]

No. They made it so if you stick to one gun to much you'll get less style points encouraging much more swapping of weapons if you want a decent rank.

[slow sigil]

I hope it'll have fixed the issue and not be more of a bandaid trying to restrict it

[midnight sparrow]

I thought it would be a hinderance but it's not bad or restricting at all

[neat tusk]

And I hope the Switch version of DOOM Eternal stops crashing one day

[lapis saddle]

Notably style affects how much you heal so keeping up your style matters beyond level grade

I remember constantly switching when I played last. It felt great

[midnight sparrow]

I wish Hakita uploaded the soundtrack to Spotify. Wrath and Heresy have amazing tracks

[lapis saddle]

The Act 2 items are also great additions

[slow sigil]

Didn't know that when i played, but i still try keeping the grade high cause that is the primary goal overall

[sacred dirge]

Need a chop goblins 2

[lapis saddle]

You get a short period of the gun getting a style bonus, then a short period of the base style gain, then you start gaining penalties that eventually negate your style gain completely. Also switching off a gun lets it lose penalty and regain bonus over time rather than immediately, so swapping between 2 guns or variations won’t cheese the style system

[slow sigil]

Is that NB though? More one of their dev's their own project

Like iron lung

[sacred dirge]

Both are great

[slow sigil]

The short period of style gain i remember, but i'm not sure if the style loss was in the game yet when i played it?

[lapis saddle]

The main weirdness I remember about Ultrakill’s style system is that the stale weapon thing starts out really lenient but gets more demanding as you get more and more weapons

I don’t know when the stale penalty was implemented

[midnight sparrow]

I just learned it was made by David. Of course it was made by David

[midnight sparrow]

The whole weapon usage bar was added when Wrath and Heresy came out

[slow sigil]

Could be that

I only had up untill the first railgun

[lapis saddle]

Also my favorite melee attack in an FPS is your starting punch in Ultrakill. The actual hit isn’t much but parries feel great even in FPS games.
I only started playing Ultrakill after the 2nd act was fully released except some of the secret levels

[slow sigil]

I did quite a bit before

How many acts was it gonna have anyways? 3 or 4?

[lapis saddle]

3

[slow sigil]

Thank god

[lapis saddle]

It’s going through Hell’s 9 circles so Hakita would be hard pressed to do more than 3 acts (we’re currently at circle 6 or 7)

[slow sigil]

Then i can play the game and any act 3 issues will be gone by the time i reach it aswell

[lapis saddle]

I could see going to purgatory or heaven in an expansion but AFAIK the main game is over after act 3

The 3 remaining circles are violence, fraud, and finally treachery

So far Hakita has taken the most creative liberties with gluttony (they’re at least tangentially following Dante’s description)

[random vault]

can’t believe i missed a whole ass ultrakill convo is #doom-eternal ( @dull herald look)

[neat tusk]

welcome to your average specified Discord server

@random vault This is the doom eternal channel, of the DOOM server.

It's just funny how time and time again chat will go into extensive discussions over other games in the incorrect channel

[slow sigil]

Sso guys how do we all feel about the dishonered franchise

[neat tusk]

teehee

[azure oriole]

Kind of late but I just realized I forgot to respond to this. Doom 2016’s level design isn’t much better in that regard either. Secrets are better hidden so if you’re into that then I guess that’s a plus, but eternal makes the time in between combat encounters more engaging with its platforming and puzzles. They’re simple but I do prefer them to just walking down hallways and hoping to find a collectible in a tucked away corner. Also with how these games are the design of the combat arenas themselves are pretty important lol.

2016 does have some of those elements as well but it’s just worse and jankier

[hasty hamlet]

Hey can anyone help with battle mode trophy for ps4 I only have three if anyone I willing to help please dm me

[azure oriole]

I can understand preferring the visual cohesion of 2016’s levels even if I don’t love it though

[sacred dirge]

Titans realm is a great example

[edgy agate]

yo guys i got a question

is doom stronger than anyone he wills? i heard he is but i cant find the evidence / lore

[azure oriole]

I’m not a lore expert but never have I heard DoomGuy’s powers being will based

He does have an indomitable will, but it doesn’t actually enhance his abilities (unless you count raw determination as a buff).

[edgy agate]

im tripping then

[gaunt birch]

Why am I not allowed to go over the vram limit? like, dude i know what i'm doing, just let me do it

[young mango]

It’s a literal hardware incapability what do you mean

Your graphics card is not capable of it, it doesn’t matter if you know what you’re doing, it doesn’t increase your vram limitations

[gaunt birch]

well, i do have 16 gigs shared vram so i figured it could just let me use that

[young mango]

It doesn’t work like that

[gaunt birch]

well then i need to learn more about computers

i remember reading that shared gpu ram acted like a much slower vram

[hasty hamlet]

Can someone please add me on PlayStation for doom eternal battle mode PlayStation username is Red Reds please

[azure oriole]

Add yourself. #boom

[dull herald]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-damn-gif-22826139

[young mango]

@leaden badger stop spamming lmao😭

[leaden badger]

[fluid laurel]

[sacred dirge]

Mean

[azure oriole]

Mean is my middle name

[stiff copper]

How the hell does my pc run doom eternal but straight up died when I open fortnite

[neat tusk]

Dunno, but sounds hella better than the other way around 🤣

[nocturne lynx]

Because one game is optimised well and the other has a bajillion crossovers which claim 1% of your RAM each.

[iron laurel]

Hello, I'm not sure if this is the right space for this. I'm coming back to the game after a long time, but because I switched computers, so I dont have my original save file with all the stuff. Does anyone have a save file that 100% completed the game that I can use?

[neat tusk]

What difficulty did you beat the game at?

[iron laurel]

i beat it at the one below nightmare, but I don't really care about what difficulty the save is at. I'll take an ultra nightmare save too if someone has it.

[neat tusk]

Ok, just curious. You can just beat the game again, I imagine, if you have to, but I also imagine you can find a 100% downloadable save through Google or things like that.

[iron laurel]

I'm not gonna play online or anything. I kinda just want my skins and stuff back so i can play on the master levels before moving on to the dlc

[neat tusk]

Ah

That should be an account based thing, rather than save file locked

I guess it doesn't save your "Rewards" unlocks despite logging in to the same acount?

[iron laurel]

I tried using the top couple of results on google and it didnt seem to work, so I'm guessing a different save file might work.

umm im not sure. I never really paid attention. I could honestly just play the game again and try to pick up all the secrets and stuff, but im honestly lazy and dont want to bother

so I was hoping someone had a save file that already completed it

[neat tusk]

I imagine it should be a fun pasttime, although I'm unaware of your preferences

Ultra-Violence difficulty or otherwise

[iron laurel]

honestly going around trying to get the secrets was kinda annoying for me. I like the action loop stuff. I'm the kinda player that once they see the secret, they have to go grab it even if it doesnt really do anything. with a completed save, I dont have to do that.

[stiff copper]

I play on nightmare but when I get really stuck I just go to easy mode and shred though that level

[neat tusk]

Fair

[iron laurel]

I guess thats one option. I could just set it to easy and shred through the levels to grab all the stuff I want and then come back later to play for real.

I tried nightmare for a while, but I got super tilted during the ice section so I ended up lowering the difficulty.

[neat tusk]

What annoyed me the most about the secrets were simply the toys. They're funny and kinda cute, but offer nothing of interest otherwise. And some of the puzzles to get them were a little frustrating, I will admit

[neat tusk]

Lemme guess, one of the Cultist Base secret encounters? Cultist Base in general is pretty damn punishing, especially for early game

[iron laurel]

nah I think it was after the blood pit section

[neat tusk]

Ah, ok

[dull herald]

it's called a power move

yknow to assert dominance

[tepid wasp]

lock on

[young mango]

As if the records were any more useful, man you just aren’t a completionist, that’s what they’re there for

[slow sigil]

Records, toys, basically everything but the last 2 crystals from taras on, the cheatcodes arguably
All are useless

[rich flare]

i dont even use them i just got them all so i could play doom lmfao

[jolly kernel]

in regards to the Tyrant upper body glory kill, I recently noticed that the Slayer doesn't stab his eye 3 times, he first stabs his head two times before finally stabbing him in the eye

[rustic arrow]

crucible question(s), what makes the crucible.. the crucible? like whats the difference between the slayers crucible and the demonic crucible compared to sentinel spears, betrayers hammer, marauder's axe etc ? also isnt there a more "general" term for all weapons powered by hell, wraith or argent ?

[jaunty vapor]

It's possible the answer is here

#doom-eternal message

But otherwise m0nologue probably still knows

[slow sigil]

i can't remember anything directly linked to what makes the crucible "special" aside from it being simply not special, but the easiest available weapon that could

the thing that "only the crucible can kill a titan" is fake anyways

[azure oriole]

howdy yall, playing it for the first time

[lyric lodge]

have fun!

[azure oriole]

already am

[rustic arrow]

have fun dude

[jolly kernel]

one of the reasons why I like Eternal's enemy designs so much is because a lot of the Classic Doom enemies look like their counterparts from that game

the Gladiator is quite literally the og Baron/Hell Knight

they also brought back the Cacodemon's blue blood too

[azure oriole]

tyrant is an exact copy of classic doom cyberdemon

Idk man but i really would've preferred the original pinky design

[rustic arrow]

found this in the document, sooo... its just a fancy sword name
"Crucibles are powerful Sentinel swords energized by unfiltered Wraith Energy. They
normally simply look like sword hilts, as the blade is made of Wraith Energy; the blade is activated
via a mechanism in the hilt."

[jolly kernel]

meanwhile the Hell Knight looks more like its Doom 3 version

which is also a thing in 2016

that's obviously made to distinguish it from the Baron

other than killing Arch-Viles and occasionally Tyrants, I don't use the crucible at all

I played through a majority of the SGN ML without it, and only used it to kill the Arch-Viles in the last big fight

[light pasture]

Js died to the icon of sins punch in the 2nd stage 😭😭😭

[azure oriole]

turned on raytracing and seeing the reflections on the super shotgun is awsome

[formal scaffold]

yeah i hate that part

[light pasture]

I was getting a drink and he comes charging in been a bit since I've played this level

[sacred dirge]

Did a crucible only run as much as possible a while back. Pretty lame

[light pasture]

That sounds just

Exhausting, I'd prefer a what's it called, berserk only run, if u got a pc it's possible its fun for like 5 mins

Until u realize u can't die and basically are op

nvm

[light pasture]

Skill issue and honestly it's js for the collectors, my friend got the game js so he can max out his fortress of doom all guns nice skins on em all of the toys all songs bro js love collecting all of his saves are maxed even his un run his FOD is maxed out

[neat tusk]

Buddy, believe me -- I collected absolutely everything, in part due to the fact that I am indeed a collector/completionist. What skill issue, or you being facetious?

My only point is that there are so many toys and they have little to offer, mechanically. And I was still fine with collecting them, in large part due to the fact that most other things are mechanically rich and enhancing.

[slow sigil]

ehhhhhh

[neat tusk]

And the toys themselves are still kinda cool and cute looking

[azure oriole]

I love my cute prowler toy

[light pasture]

I didn't mean to annoy u my man

But I'm js messin w u

[neat tusk]

Aha

[azure oriole]

Do slayer gates reopen after u load a mission without cheats?

[azure oriole]

the doom hunters were so hyped up but they weren't much of a threat

even deag ranak calls them useless machine

[jolly kernel]

yeah, the animations are just not satisfying

it's mostly just slicing enemies in half

[azure oriole]

true

[rustic arrow]

werent there some unused variants of the doom hunter in game ?

[azure oriole]

don't know

I'm new to this game, only just killed the second hell priest

Stayed away from absolutely everything having to do with the game so I could go in blind

[rustic arrow]

oh alright

[jolly kernel]

especially considering there's an extremely easy way to kill them

[rustic arrow]

||shield minigun and spam every grenade in existance||

[jolly kernel]

ice bomb, blood punch his sled, shoot him with the ssg then use lock-on rockets on him

let's see Rider's reaction to fighting the Marauder for the first time

[azure oriole]

Marauder more like midrauder

The Marauder, my death nell lmao

I haven't even used my ice bombs

forgot they were a thing

invaluable tool whacha doin

Y'all wanna know something messed up, when your game crashes in the middle of you killing a marauder

[sacred dirge]

[azure oriole]

I rarely use the flamethrower and grenades too

[jolly kernel]

dude that's a huge disadvantage

[azure oriole]

should do that for shields

[azure oriole]

Use them, they will save your life

I'm mean I've made it so far

I'll try to remember to use them

[jolly kernel]

the flamethrower allows you to get armor and the normal grenades both damage and falter strong demons

[azure oriole]

I just forgot that I have them

I usually remember by an accidentally button press

It happens, I end up using them by mistake lately, just got back into playing Doom Eternal after about a year, got stuck on the Gladiator

I wish It was just get in shoot shit and get out, but now we have to upgrade armor and guns

[jolly kernel]

they are done right in this game imo

the precision bolt for the heavy cannon is quite good once you master it

[azure oriole]

I used two batteries on armor, don't know if it's just cosmetic or has different stats

[jolly kernel]

it just changes your skin

[azure oriole]

damn

[jolly kernel]

using crystals for armor does increase the maximum amount though