Davoth still had is power then.
#doom-eternal
pseudo flower
slow sigil
we have no idea how that fight went nor we know if vegafather was weaker
heady pine
the second dlc runs so bad for me
azure oriole
The Father was definitely stronger than Davoth
The Codex says that the Father and Davoth battled, and Davoth lost. The Father was a vast machine close to a God in its application and intelligence. Davoth is a primeval, but a machine like that can't really be killed easily.
(Yes, this means Davoth built a robot that could kick his ass.)
slow sigil
wheres that stated btw?
azure oriole
Hold on.
slow sigil
not doubting you but i simply dont want to dig through all the codex entries
especially because you have more of a understanding where it will be
azure oriole
Book of the Seraphs V:
The Father bid Samur, his most trusted, to help the Father in his final undertakings in the physical realm. The Father would confront Davoth in Jekkad, and after this, the Father would withdraw from the physical realm.
Book of the Seraphs VIII:
It was then that the Father returned to Jekkad, now called Hell by many. Atop the Pyramid of the Lost where Hell once worshipped the Father, as the skies split and Hell trembled, the Father ripped the Dark Lord's life sphere from his chest.
Book of the Seraphs XI:
The Seraphs remember that when the Dark Lord's lifeless body tumbled down the Pyramid of the Lost, Samur begged the Father to crush the Dark Lord's life sphere.
The images accompanying VIII and XI depict the Father and Davoth during this confrontation.
In one, he restrains Davoth as Davoth screams in pain, ripping his Life Sphere from his body. In the other, Davoth's corpse falls from the Pyramid of the Lost after losing to the Father.
slow sigil
alr lil sidecomment but why the fuck is something as awesome as "pyramid of the lost, where hell once worshipped the father" not a map
but eh the books are to be taken with a grain of salt as makyr propaganda and faik he could have still surprised davoth
azure oriole
Hahaha I wish. Man I hope we revisit a lot of this lore. Would love to see some of it in-game.
slow sigil
i hope it will have a classic hell-blood swamps mix
qua theme
like at the base of the pyramid it's classic, but the higher you go the "milder" the climate and it will be like blood swamps where it's all overgrown
azure oriole
but eh the books are to be taken with a grain of salt as makyr propaganda and fa...
It's possible. The TAG2 lore never mentions their fight.
Didn’t know Davoth was weakened that badly
When I see people powerscale Doomslayer they always bring up him killing Davoth as a multiversal+ feat
slow sigil
people like overestimating doomguy
they just see the word "creator" and that's all they care about
meanwhile doomguy isnt even that super strong inlore, like the best power he has is simply not getting tired
azure oriole
Praetor suit gives him extremely high durability too
Isn’t it stated to be indestructible
azure oriole
When I see people powerscale Doomslayer they always bring up him killing Davoth ...
Yeah no that's not the case at all.
Doom's universe is more grounded than that. Davoth wasn't a "god" even when he was at his most powerful, much less during TAG2.
Anyone saying Doomguy "killed god" doesn't know shit about this subject and should be discounted.
slow sigil
Doom's universe is more grounded than that. Davoth wasn't a "god" even when he w...
i mean, he is "god" by creating heaven and guiding uhhh jekkadian? through his universe
he isnt omnipotent but he is 100% god
azure oriole
He's "god" in the sense that he was the first being, but not at all by considering, like, power and shit.
Isn’t he capable of creating entire realities though?
No.
Davoth's only real "godlike" feats were creating the Maykrs, which were just super badass machines, and maybe creating Jekkad, but even that's doubtful.
The Maykrs still most likely were the ones to create the Earthly realms.
Calling anything here "god" is already a mistake because Doom's mythology doesn't play by singular theism's rules. It's much more comparable to, say, Gnosticism - The Father and Davoth both fit the title of "god" but only by certain metrics. Davoth was the first being, and the catalyst. The Father was his usurper, who actually did a lot of the creating and has rewritten history to make himself the "first being".
Basically with Gnosticism there are two Gods - the real one, who is supreme, and the fake one, who is material and has convinced itself that it is the real God.
This is Doom. The difference is, unlike in Gnosticism, the fake god is the nice guy and the real god's the jerk.
slow sigil
The Maykrs still most likely were the ones to create the Earthly realms.
ok, and who created the makyrs? 
azure oriole
The wiki says Davoth did create Jekkad at least
I wouldn't trust the wiki, the wiki can be edited by anyone.
azure oriole
ok, and who created the makyrs? <:kappa:286483995871674369>
If I create a wrecking ball capable of destroying a building, does this mean I can do the same thing with my own hands?
slow sigil
did i ever specify you had to with your bare hands though
azure oriole
My point is, Davoth himself isn't omnipotent - Doom takes place in a more grounded canon where Davoth does "god shit" not through magic but through machinery and engineering.
if you create a species capable of making a planet i say thats eligible for also being able to create planets.
midnight sparrow
When I see people powerscale Doomslayer they always bring up him killing Davoth ...
Powerscaling is the most unreliable method ever
azure oriole
Powerscaling is the most unreliable method ever
fr
azure oriole
if you create a species capable of making a planet i say thats eligible for also...
I disagree. Machines are different from organic beings. Someone smart enough to make a computer doesn't mean they can run Doom Eternal on their brain.
It should also be noted that he didn't task the Maykrs with doing that.
The Maykrs' only directive was to uncover the answer to making Jekkad's citizens immortal. It was only after sealing away Jekkad that the Father decided to create the Earthly realms through the Luminarium. He decided that of his own volition.
Everything I’m finding seems to support Davoth creating Jekkad though. Anyhow Davoth prior to his betrayal was by all means godlike in power. Trying to make the distinction between a god and a being so powerful that it’s practically a god is pretty frivolous imho.
But there's no evidence to suggest he was "godlike" in power.
azure oriole
I disagree. Machines are different from organic beings. Someone smart enough to ...
maykrs seem to be a species that enhances itself with machinery rather than a program that just so happens to have flesh
The wiki is not evidence. The wiki is edited and maintained by fans in a series where misinformation about the lore is commonplace. I've read all these files back to front more times than I can count - none of them tell us Davoth was ever "godlike". The implication actually points to the opposite - that he was only ever as strong as the Slayer at his most powerful.
azure oriole
maykrs seem to be a species that enhances itself with machinery rather than a pr...
The Maykrs were purely machines to begin with. They don't naturally have flesh - that's a side-effect of the corrupted Transfiguration process. In their natural state Maykrs have no flesh.
They're just self-aware machines.
khan was transconfigurated?
He’s godlike in the same way that any mythological god is “godly”. He far surpasses mortals in knowledge and power. Isn’t he immortal as well?
azure oriole
khan was transconfigurated?
Yes. Transfiguration affects all the Maykrs.
azure oriole
He’s godlike in the same way that any mythological god is “godly”. He far surpas...
What I'm saying is that Davoth cannot wave his hands and create planets, or universes. He was never shown to be capable of shit like that. He was not any more powerful than Doomguy currently is in Eternal
severe oxide
What I'm saying is that Davoth cannot wave his hands and create planets, or univ...
He lost most of his powers from being trapped so long
azure oriole
He never had that power to begin with.
azure oriole
What I'm saying is that Davoth cannot wave his hands and create planets, or univ...
it would be funny if he could
severe oxide
He did
azure oriole
Nope
What you play as in Eternal, the Slayer? That was Davoth before the Father dunked on him. That was his power. He was super strong, super agile, and had a supposedly infinite lifespan.
severe oxide
If you played the ancient gods part 2 he says he was the actual the father
azure oriole
Yes, I know.
severe oxide
The father was a maykr who just beat him and took his power
azure oriole
Yep. And the power he took was what the Slayer has now.
severe oxide
No
azure oriole
i thought slayer has a fragment of davoths power
severe oxide
severe oxide
i thought slayer has a fragment of davoths power
Just the strength part
Maybe yall should collect every codex entry like me
slow sigil
no just the small fragment part
azure oriole
Hell even if he was only as powerful as the slayer that’s still pretty nutty
Especially with his knowledge and intelligence
severe oxide
Davoth still has some of his power but just lost a lot of it from well the father taking it and him being trapped for so long
slow sigil
Hell even if he was only as powerful as the slayer that’s still pretty nutty
the slayer isnt really that strong
severe oxide
If you've even fought davoth in the ancient gods 2 you can see he summons demons
severe oxide
If you've even fought davoth in the ancient gods 2 you can see he summons demons
And what I would say constructs
slow sigil
Davoth still has some of his power but just lost a lot of it from well the fathe...
no? vegafather just directly stole it
azure oriole
Doomslayer being overestimated doesn’t mean he isn’t powerful lol
Like extremely so
severe oxide
Watch the video
slow sigil
well yeah but he isnt THAT strong, like sure his strength is massive but it isnt extremely powerfull strength wise
slow sigil
Watch the video
why would i need to watch the video? i read the actual ingame codex entries
severe oxide
Just watch it
slow sigil
well yeah but he isnt THAT strong, like sure his strength is massive but it isnt...
it's mostly his skill
severe oxide
When you watch the video you'll see what I'm trying to say
slow sigil
at most what i'll see is that you have sadly been lied to
severe oxide
I think not likely
azure oriole
Maybe yall should collect every codex entry like me
i do, i dont read em
latent badger
ok i just finished tag 2
azure oriole
Killing titans with just the crucible and his hands butt ass naked is a pretty good feat I’d say
severe oxide
||is the doom slayer dead?||
He had a part a davoth he was made by him so he passed the hell out
Also secret if you wait to the end of credits
latent badger
oh i didnt
limber canopy
Do tell
latent badger
oh i googled it
severe oxide
I didnt check on part 1
latent badger
cool
severe oxide
But I did part 2
latent badger
||that final boss was still damn hard but way easier than tag 1 and the maingame||
||also holy fuck i am tired of green flash bosses||
azure oriole
fr
latent badger
like the marauders, it works
the gladiator, that was a bit excessive, maybe focus around flanking him and attacking from the back or sides
azure oriole
making an enamy green flash doent make them harder
latent badger
||but the dark lord as well come ON||
azure oriole
just annoying
slow sigil
ehhh it's kinda a muddy concept
marauders use it a bit too boring and strict, armoured barons are kinda decent, and bmaykers are perfect
azure oriole
its fun in small doses
latent badger
blood makyrs are only tolerable cause they are easily one shot
||also holy fuck the samur makyr fight was really goddamn hard||
slow sigil
blood makyrs are only tolerable cause they are easily one shot
and because they simply work well, kinda a background enemy you have to keep low attention on but extremely valuable to shoot once they open up
latent badger
i had to use sentinel armour for ||samur makyr||
severe oxide
i had to use sentinel armour for ||samur makyr||
I didnt
Use it at all for the dlcs
slow sigil
I think not likely
latent badger
i didnt need it for tag 2
severe oxide
I didn't even die on davoth at all
latent badger
then again i did need sentinel armour for the icon
azure oriole
I didn't even die on davoth at all
teach me your ways
severe oxide
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896461823786762300/1097944004399743056/im...
I see nothing
latent badger
i only used 1 extra life on davoth
severe oxide
teach me your ways
I played it before and failed so when I tried again I knew all his attacked and what to dodge
severe oxide
And I play on xbox1
latent badger
oh im on pc
azure oriole
I played it before and failed so when I tried again I knew all his attacked and ...
i get way to carried away with the lil phantoms he spawns
latent badger
oh i just spammed stickies
severe oxide
When he summons dogs and hellknight kill dogs and bait the dark lord till eye flash then ssg then hammer then chaingun turret mod
latent badger
me but rocket launcher
latent badger
When he summons dogs and hellknight kill dogs and bait the dark lord till eye fl...
i used lock on and grenades
severe oxide
i used lock on and grenades
I dont
azure oriole
Just triple Jump around and get your Hammer ready that’s the whole gimmick he is easy on nightmare
severe oxide
I use only those three weapons
azure oriole
Lamo
bro every weapon that doesn't have a necessity has been wiped from my memory
apart from shotgun
latent badger
i rarely ever use plasma rifle and chaingun
azure oriole
chaingun?
latent badger
yea
azure oriole
whats that
severe oxide
Chaingun is very helpful
azure oriole
never used it
severe oxide
Mobile turret
Long shotgun with much bullet and shoot very fast
That can turn into a turret
Or have energy shield
azure oriole
im built different (i played the campaign 1st year then never touched the game untill about 5 months ago where i only really played horde mode)
latent badger
oh what is horde mode? i havent played it
clever osprey
Sad emoji
azure oriole
i have it all finished but i still only ever do horde mode
azure oriole
oh what is horde mode? i havent played it
alot of demons
severe oxide
Long shotgun with much bullet and shoot very fast
Also use all grenades and use flame Belch
azure oriole
all the dlc demons, teleport between arenas, sometimes coin collecting or blitz round breaks between them
latent badger
fun
azure oriole
and optional "bounty" demons that give you bonus rounds to do
severe oxide
Yea
azure oriole
kill the bounty demons because regular round arent that hard
azure oriole
Theres marauder in it
best part
severe oxide
Eh
azure oriole
they're fun in small dosses
severe oxide
Eh
azure oriole
theres like 5 the entire mode
severe oxide
I hated getting jumped by 2 marauders
azure oriole
Skill issue
severe oxide
Imma go play battlemode as marauder now
azure oriole
imagine
latent badger
oh also i gotta say
the music in the dlc was thoroughly underwhelming on the whole (rip mick, you will be missed)
severe oxide
Yea
latent badger
like
latent badger
imma be real i barely ever noticed the music compared to the campaign, where the music is the feature
severe oxide
If mick did the davoth music i would be listen to it right now
azure oriole
https://youtu.be/Cwv1Pey69JU
bro i thought that was elder scrolls lmao
Mick’s absence is going to be felt big time in the next game
severe oxide
Fr
azure oriole
Member when the community turned on Mick for awhile there
no
until recently (like 2 seconds ago) midnight was my only taste of the comunity
Just stay away from the doom subreddit
And Reddit in general
severe oxide
I do
azure oriole
And Reddit in general
dont need to tell me twice
severe oxide
Just won the match
latent badger
Mick’s absence is going to be felt big time in the next game
true, it will be a dark day
azure oriole
long ass day
severe oxide
Fr
azure oriole
antartica
severe oxide
Does deluxe have more levels
azure oriole
dont think so
azure oriole
just seems to be an exclusive skin and sound pack
latent badger
man the crucible is cool as fuck
modern vale
Can you imagine an image of doomguy coming to a room with anime girl characters and saying "time to kill everyone"? how would it be
azure oriole
i am having a stroke
slow sigil
Can you imagine an image of doomguy coming to a room with anime girl characters ...
it would be out of character as doomguy doesnt kill innocent random people for no reason
modern vale
How does it feel to compare it to an anime character alongside doomguy's meme or something like that. and i hate anime too. i see stuff about it on youtube and many places, maybe i think so
azure oriole
https://tenor.com/view/marauder-doom-false-idol-doom-eternal-doom-slayer-gif-261...
me when i watch barbie and ryan gosling isn't literally me
you were never one us
modern vale
wut, me ?
modern vale
I think the server got weird
azure oriole
i have watched 5 movies and all the main characters are literally me
severe oxide
We need more mastery levels
severe oxide
And dlc
azure oriole
does base game have mastery cultist base yet?
severe oxide
No clue
azure oriole
the public needs to be able to play it
severe oxide
I don't see it
azure oriole
sad
severe oxide
Only world spear
azure oriole
does base game have mastery cultist base yet?
yes there is cb master level
i have it
severe oxide
No
azure oriole
i wanted to know if regulars have it
severe oxide
I don't
azure oriole
rip and tear pack
severe oxide
?
severe oxide
Where I find
azure oriole
yeah only if you really want it
severe oxide
What does it give
slow sigil
What does it give
cb ml, a skin for the revenant (and MP is dead), and a skin for the combat shotgun that just makes your stock and thing underneath wooden
severe oxide
And where do I find it
slow sigil
And where do I find it
just on steam
azure oriole
doot skin and og shotgun skin
severe oxide
Show
azure oriole
doot skin based
severe oxide
just on steam
Is that on xbox1
severe oxide
I don't see some of the milestone weapon skins
It says complete but I don't have them
severe oxide
I did
azure oriole
then no idea
severe oxide
Damn
frank ridge
who would win, doom eternal man or a billion lions?
and by winning I mean in a fight
frank ridge
I am on team lion for sure
left edge
where can i get tech support?
azure oriole
Doomslayer negs unfortunately
frank ridge
doom .man might be tuff but a billion lions is a billion lions
covert oar
they can’t all pile on him
most is like 5 at once maybe
right who added furry emojis to the official doom discord server
slow sigil
someone who thought they looked good enough to be added?
and which one, they are either doom related or mod related
slow sigil
mara dog
covert oar
oh
this server makes me want nitro
at least this server isn’t incredibly homophobic on the inside
usually you see servers that are like fine when you join but half the server turns out to be tate fans
holy shit hyper realistic original doom slayer
azure oriole
who would win, doom eternal man or a billion lions?
1 billion imps or doom slayer???
same question but at least imps have range
pseudo flower
When I see people powerscale Doomslayer they always bring up him killing Davoth ...
Because powerscalers are stupid people who think they’re smarter then everyone else.
Ignoring context behind the achievements of characters is one of the things they love doing
dull herald
Can you imagine an image of doomguy coming to a room with anime girl characters ...
its 2023
pseudo flower
If they’re not doing that they are using vague lore to powerscale or using non canon info or even their own headcanon. In other words, making shit up
azure oriole
1 billion imps or doom slayer???
argent hammer
azure oriole
If they’re not doing that they are using vague lore to powerscale or using non c...
well the entire point of it is silly and evreyone wants there guy to win
azure oriole
argent hammer
my point exactly
pseudo flower
well the entire point of it is silly and evreyone wants there guy to win
Saw a powerscaler say that batman is faster then light “because he dodged a laser”
azure oriole
omega lazer?
pseudo flower
Someone said that charlie morningstar is just as powerful as prime davoth
azure oriole
those are strong and fast lazers but the person who made that probably didnt know how strong the omega lazers are
dont blame him as there are way to many fucking dc comics
It’s fun to power scale sometimes but I tap out once people start unironically arguing infinite vs immeasurable speeds and who’s 4D or 9D
in humble bumble #367 joe boe beats up humgloo
joe boe is 12D
Talked to this dude yesterday that said Imps can tank nukes because of a quote he misinterpreted
Smartest Doom fan
lol
hot vine
azure oriole
someone found out that hell is uniqe to other universes in doom therefore the multiverse of doom is some wacky big word so every creature in doom is extradimentional for EXISTING IN BIG WORD MULTIVERSE
👏
lyric isle
what
azure oriole
im havin a stroke reading that
good'
only ebonoids can read my wize words
It's not that deep bro...
you're name
strange gale
schizo rantl⁉️ for free⁉️
azure oriole
its beutifull
lyric isle
elaborate please
azure oriole
elaborate please
i said something that made complete sense at the time then named a race that is completely fictional
its funny so say words that confuse people
stiff plume
How I can defeat the 2 Marauders in a mission on The Ancient Gods Part. 2
north oxide
very carefully
azure oriole
How I can defeat the 2 Marauders in a mission on The Ancient Gods Part. 2
be very cheesy with portals
north oxide
SSG/Ballista combo is very effective
lyric isle
i said something that made complete sense at the time then named a race that is ...
dang
stiff plume
I'll take a screenshot of the mission
north oxide
i know which one you mean. that's not even the hardest part of the expansion.
azure oriole
i know which one you mean. that's not even the hardest part of the expansion.
missinformation
hardest part for me
stiff plume
i know which one you mean. that's not even the hardest part of the expansion.
The one who has the hell troopers with the laser rifle
In Ancient Gods Part 2
north oxide
i know.
stiff plume
I don't know what to do I can defeat hardly one Marauder, But 2 is too fkn hard to defeat
north oxide
SSG to stun, immediately quickswap to Ballista, rinse and repeat
just gotta get the timing down
stiff plume
If I have rounds
north oxide
chainsaw
stiff plume
Oh
azure oriole
dont forget to use sentinal hammer to draw out the stunn
stiff plume
I'm a noob
north oxide
it's ok we all were once
azure oriole
I'm a noob
based
azure oriole
it's ok we all were once
cringe
stiff plume
Thx guys, and I am a non-American gamer
azure oriole
same
stiff plume
I'm Portuguese
azure oriole
my best freind is portugues
stiff plume
Doomio, are you British?
azure oriole
im australian so im basically american but less funny accent
and less morbidly obese
stiff plume
Portuguese has a large community in Sydney, Perth, Brisbane and Melbourne I think
In Immora there are 2 Marauders
azure oriole
i cant say much for other cities but in brisbane yes
azure oriole
In Immora there are 2 Marauders
still stuck?
stiff plume
Yeah
stiff plume
But both of them chase me
stiff plume
They release the wolves even harder
azure oriole
Trouble with 2 marauders?
stiff plume
Yes, in Immora
azure oriole
Ok. My technique isnt professional at all, but it's how I survived UAC Atlantica
SSG-ballista combo, stun the pair of them if possible, but focus on one of them whistle dodging the other. keep running. I managed it by running around lots, which is unprofessional, but after I finished one off with the combo, it was no problem with the other marauder
slow sigil
double marauders are annoying especially if you can't really use splash so lots of running is the only thing you can really do
quite boring and tedious but ID loves the marauder cause of a few people that loved excusing it
azure oriole
Of course depending on the difficulty you set, it's easier to hit and run lots, but I managed fairly quickly. Took 5 mins, and 2 mins of running
azure oriole
double marauders are annoying especially if you can't really use splash so lots ...
Yeah it sucks but it's so fun 😂
slow sigil
not really? you're just running around not even really able to do much
especially because the marauders keep bugging out to each other and the rest
azure oriole
Yeah it's quite dodgy tbh
I'm so happy that the actual icon of sin boss fight didn't involve any marauders. There was 1 marauder that kept kicking my ass but I can handle them no problem now, and that was before the actual boss anyway
slow sigil
marauders are easy to keep away from so eh it wouldnt be too bad
pseudo flower
Smartest Doom fan
Smartest powerscaler
random vault
powerscaling doom slayer, the slayer is a very strong force- :bentley:
insert cat listen to ultrakill ost
young mango
Talked to this dude yesterday that said Imps can tank nukes because of a quote h...
“Imps can tank nukes”
The singular combat shotgun shot in my back pocket:
random vault
the pistol in mine
young mango
The single charged pistol shot from 2016:
random vault
the literal simple punch:
young mango
But hey they can withstand nukes apparently
People just love to exaggerate doomguys strength by an otherworldly absurd amount
azure oriole
The punch in 2016 is actually good, but in doom eternal they made it so that you can pretty much knock demons slightly, but have to power up to kill a group of demons with the shockwave of a punch
random vault
People just love to exaggerate doomguys strength by an otherworldly absurd amoun...
they’re coping
young mango
I like the way m0nologue phrases it, you live in a world where demons can be taken out by regular weapons, it’s not too absurd to have a character who can do it all by himself, he’s powerful but by no means godly
Funny enough one of the strongest demons in lore is probably the pinky
Being able to take down entire fleets of tanks if I recall correctly
slow sigil
The punch in 2016 is actually good, but in doom eternal they made it so that you...
Much more interesting, really good mechanic in eternal
azure oriole
Agreed
Does anyone know what you get in Eternal for playing Doom 3
Pretty sure it's a skin or some weapon skins but I have no clue
Ok
azure oriole
Does anyone know what you get in Eternal for playing Doom 3
Red classic marine
Cool, thanks
pseudo flower
Is there a black and yellow themed slayer skin in the game?
azure oriole
There's that one you get from horde, golden bounty lord I think it is
frank ridge
Being able to take down entire fleets of tanks if I recall correctly
but how does it do against a billion lions
azure oriole
1 billion lions isnt that good of a combatent
lions are feable and weak compared to what theyre usually put up against
young mango
Yea but do you know how much 1 billion is
azure oriole
yes
young mango
A singular pinky would probably lose to 1 billion of anything ( excluding insects )
azure oriole
doomslayer specializes in taking out huge swarths of demons let alone lions (spoonys original pitch was about the doom slayer)
yeah pinkies arent gonna do shit
random vault
i wholeheartedly believe all the pokemon could beat a billion lions
azure oriole
who doesnt
random vault
some people
azure oriole
isnt one of the Pokémon god
random vault
several pokemon are gods
azure oriole
like allmaker type god
random vault
there is a pokemon who controls all of time
azure oriole
yeah
the one above those 3
the space pokemon the time one then some anti matter guy and there is a pokemon who sits above all 3 of them
random vault
steelix alone could beat a billion lions
azure oriole
superman could beat them. even if we take the most conservetive estimates of his power
"lion ladder" like the lions would have the mental copasity to work together in any way, the only way they would ladder on top of each other is by trampling them and that is a net loss
lose a whole ass unite for like 2 extra feet
are the doom hunters weaker or something?
they feel way more fragile after there boss fight rather than before
latent badger
doom hunters are great
i absolutely love the original boss fight in level 4 they appear in
stiff plume
I'm stuck in Immora
young mango
Like softlocked?
stiff plume
No, I'm in the phase of defeating 2 Marauders
azure oriole
i just beat that level
try using a lower level
or make sur not to shoot screachers
stiff plume
Oh not shooting screachers
azure oriole
Screechers move pretty slow so it's not too hard to isolate the marauders from them
azure oriole
Oh not shooting screachers
i am austistic and cant detect if it is sarcasm or not
it looks like it might be
latent badger
No, I'm in the phase of defeating 2 Marauders
use the hammer to extend the stun duration on marauders, doesnt matter if you hit the screechers
stiff plume
I did it
latent badger
rule of thumb if your ever having trouble in tag 2
step 1: ice bomb
step 2: flame belch
step 3: hammer
i spammed that and got away with the dumbest of plays
the hammer is kinda stupid
azure oriole
hammar is best
latent badger
its completely insane how strong it is
strange gale
the hammer is kinda stupid
when the marketing material works as advertised ⁉️
dusty sable
Any tips or layout to get a better hang of mnk ? I really struggle to adapt to it
azure oriole
what
dusty sable
Im new to mnk basically, and i struggle with it
azure oriole
mnk?
dusty sable
mouse and keyboard
young mango
Any tips or layout to get a better hang of mnk ? I really struggle to adapt to i...
Get used to the number keys, they’re essential for weapon swapping, ditch weapon wheel as soon as you can, and as well as rebinding them to suit your needs, cuz you can do that
azure oriole
dont listen to that psyop
dusty sable
Get used to the number keys, they’re essential for weapon swapping, ditch weapon...
I never used weapon wheel, found it wacky, im just really bad at switching to keys, even the nearest ones to wasd
young mango
I never used weapon wheel, found it wacky, im just really bad at switching to ke...
Well there’s literally no better advice to be given, you quite literally just have to adjust to it, the more often you use it the more acclimated you will become
azure oriole
weapon wheel is best part of the game
dusty sable
Hmm, at least doom forces you to use a lot of keys at the same time, might improve faster... hope so at least
azure oriole
dont abandon it
if this was doom 2016 i wouldve advised you to switch from wasd to esdf to open up more keys to the left but in this game the shift key to dash will be further away from you
dusty sable
Maybe its my keyboard too idk, its pretty big and the keys are flat
azure oriole
if this was doom 2016 i wouldve advised you to switch from wasd to esdf to open ...
pinky finger in shift
would be difficult to press ctrl for ice bomb
lyric lodge
Well then you could change the key for ice bomb
young mango
would be difficult to press ctrl for ice bomb
Personally I use middle mouse for ice bomb
lyric lodge
Man my middle mouse barely works anymore
young mango
What are you on about
azure oriole
What are you on about
frend request was accepted
azure oriole
Imagine not knowing about the shalsh key
bro its on the keybored i swear
its right inbetween 1 and 2
ok
sometimes i wish i was a toad creature that lived in salty swamps
not a care in the world
is mid---get banned?
ok then
strange gale
unc tweakin 
azure oriole
some warring thing thing happend when i used a sentance with the word midge t
i aint taking chances
young mango
What
What is even going on…
I mean this in the most polite and serious way possible are you okay, like in a safe state of mind, because I have psychosis and when I start talking nonsense I personally just walk away
lyric lodge
Naw
azure oriole
lol
ryan gosling is literally me
cant wait for barbie to release
i will be able to update my personality
Dude
Just don't
glorious username
you speak wise words
bro i read your about me
take a rest
i can change if you want
go play dome doom
dome
azure oriole
keybored
yes
you are acting like im mentally ill or something
no you are saying the most random things ever
nuh uh
young mango
No i was just trying to sympathize as I would like to make the safe assumption that you’re actually like this and not just playing an unfunny character
azure oriole
i cant even fathom
azure oriole
No i was just trying to sympathize as I would like to make the safe assumption t...
ill let you in on a little secret
lyric lodge
What the hell
azure oriole
go rip and tear my guy
lyric lodge
Damn thsts
azure oriole
what?
lyric lodge
Kinda sad tbh and idk how to help with that
lyric lodge
Well...aight
lyric lodge
is there a button to mark the sever as read
Click the name
It'll "read" all of the messages at that time
azure oriole
thank you
vagrant estuary
I'm gonna be honest the chaingun and heavy cannons designs are so ugly
Like just imagine the heavy cannon with a drum magazine
young mango
I will admit the color scheme for the base heavy cannon is odd
vagrant estuary
And why does the carcass look so ugly too
lyric lodge
And why does the carcass look so ugly too
And so fucking annoying
vagrant estuary
and why is the archvile even a super heavy all it does is hide
north oxide
demons are supposed to be ugly.
young mango
and why is the archvile even a super heavy all it does is hide
Super heavy is in reference to health pools
vagrant estuary
demons are supposed to be ugly.
I would honestly date a tyrant than any girl in my grade 8 class
lyric lodge
and why is the archvile even a super heavy all it does is hide
Does good damage and his ability is literally insane. Don't see how he ain't a super heavy
azure oriole
I like the chaingun design
north oxide
yeah i dig eternal's designs for the most part.
lyric lodge
I love the demons ugliness tbh
vagrant estuary
the heavy cannon looks ugly
Honestly just imagine a mod where it has a drum magazine
lapis saddle
They did the chaingunner dirty but I mostly like Eternal’s demon designs too
north oxide
I like Eternal's designs over 2016's designs, and 2016's designs over 3's designs
azure oriole
3 had a godly plasma rifle though
north oxide
the plasma rifle was pretty sick
vagrant estuary
The plasma rifle in '16 looked like an smg
lyric lodge
I personally really enjoy the 2016 demon designs possibly more than eternal. But eternal is really great too
azure oriole
Doom 2016 had a lot of mid weapon designs but I liked the demons for the most part
lapis saddle
I don’t think there’s a single Doom game with bad enemy designs. 2016 and the first 2 games are my favorites though
lyric lodge
Ig the best sort of designs would be 2016 demons and eternal guns
north oxide
doom 3's hell knight looks like it has a butt on its face
azure oriole
I mostly prefer Doom Eternals Demon’s although the revenant was a major blemish
Don’t know what they were thinking
north oxide
i don't mind eternal's revenant
azure oriole
And the Hell Knight is a downgrade although it still looks fine
lyric lodge
I mostly prefer Doom Eternals Demon’s although the revenant was a major blemish
Someone had a theory that eternal's revenant look cleaner because the actual creation of them has become more...idk planned?
lapis saddle
I actually like 2016’s gun designs more mostly. Weapon balance notwithstanding anyway
azure oriole
I found most of them really bland and forgettable
lyric lodge
2016 gun designs might look more "grounded" but eternal is more bulky, classic, and more bomb
faint heart
I like the design of the baron of hell from 2016
north oxide
same
faint heart
Is more like a "classic reference" for me
north oxide
2016's cyberdemon was ugly in all the wrong ways
azure oriole
Plasma rifle, rocket launcher, and the rifle were very mediocre to me. Gauss cannon, super shotgun, chain gun, shotgun, and pistol were all good though
faint heart
2016's cyberdemon was ugly in all the wrong ways
Absolutely
azure oriole
Only the gauss cannon and the pistol were guns I really dug visually though
lapis saddle
Mainly I like that the 2016 guns aren’t trying to be realistic but they do have a stronger sense of physicality to them. The only Eternal gun I actually dislike is the chaingun though. Such a pitiful gun rapport
lyric lodge
2016's cyberdemon was ugly in all the wrong ways
I'd say it was quite badass. So much more different than eternal's prob cuz it's a different breed.
vagrant estuary
2016's cyberdemon was ugly in all the wrong ways
How?
azure oriole
I’m still a bit mixed about the design
lyric lodge
Only the gauss cannon and the pistol were guns I really dug visually though
What yall think about eternal's pistol
vagrant estuary
The 2016 cyber demon design was fucking amazing
north oxide
What yall think about eternal's pistol
i can honestly say i've never seen it
lyric lodge
No srs the one in the files 💀
azure oriole
I mean the boss is great but the cyberdemon itself is ehhhhh
lyric lodge
I like the white finish to it it's really clean
azure oriole
Still prefer classic Cyberdemon/Tyrant
faint heart
idunno i can't explain it. it just looks wrong to me
For me is more "cursed" than wrong
north oxide
why'd they call it a tyrant in eternal? i never got that.
lyric lodge
why'd they call it a tyrant in eternal? i never got that.
Big as fuck
faint heart
Just like:in 2016 we have a classic look of the baron, in eternal we have a classic look of the tyran, i just thinked this
vagrant estuary
The 2016 cyber demon design looked so beefy
lapis saddle
I love the 2016 cyberdemon. One of my favorite designs in the whole series easily.
lyric lodge
Love it too. So badass
vagrant estuary
Baron of hell sweeps
Rizz
azure oriole
Funny how the Baron has never missed
vagrant estuary
Don't like it's blades on its arms in eternal though
lapis saddle
The original cyberdemon is one of the few designs in the series I have mixed feelings on. Can’t really place why though
azure oriole
Well it did once but we don’t talk about TAG2’s Baron
faint heart
Funny how the Baron has never missed
I mean, who would not love a pain in the ass demon?
azure oriole
The original cyberdemon is one of the few designs in the series I have mixed fee...
Now this is a take if I’ve ever seen one
vagrant estuary
I mean, who would not love a pain in the ass demon?
pain elemental
faint heart
pain elemental
I hate them
vagrant estuary
azure oriole
Idk why this server is so strict about posting images I made a demon tierlist
north oxide
doom 64's cacodemon was weird to me. the fact that it had arms is unsettling.
vagrant estuary
doom 64's cacodemon was weird to me. the fact that it had arms is unsettling.
Its fucking cringe
but realistic
azure oriole
Doom 64 cacodemon was the pain elemental’s inbred cousin
faint heart
doom 64's cacodemon was weird to me. the fact that it had arms is unsettling.
Was it like a strange head?
vagrant estuary
Like I think all the demons in 64 were mutated
lapis saddle
Like there’s nothing wrong with the classic cyberdemon but he feels a bit off to me. I absolutely hate fighting him in the classic games so that may be why
faint heart
doom 64's cacodemon was weird to me. the fact that it had arms is unsettling.
Ohhh no my bad, that was on doom 3 if i am right
azure oriole
Hate more than spidermastermind?
lyric lodge
The original cyberdemon is one of the few designs in the series I have mixed fee...
Well me personally I love both 2016 and the classic. Both really amazing imo
north oxide
I actually like Doom 64's Pain Elemental best. OG pain elemental is too....idunno if 'cute' is the right word but it's what I'm going with. Doom 64's Pain Elemental was actually terrifying looking.
azure oriole
My brain is buffering so much tonight fuck
vagrant estuary
I actually like Doom 64's Pain Elemental best. OG pain elemental is too....idunn...
Pain elemental is cute
north oxide
Like I think all the demons in 64 were mutated
yeah I think that's true
lapis saddle
I don’t mind the mastermind. You can charge her with the BFG a lot more easily
azure oriole
I found the mastermind underwhelming partially because of the BFG
vagrant estuary
yeah I think that's true
Oh God now that I think about it in doom 64
azure oriole
Also her hitscan chain gun is just more annoying than Cyberdemon rockets imho
vagrant estuary
it has mouth for arms lmao
lyric lodge
Oh God now that I think about it in doom 64
Creepy as fuck
north oxide
it has mouth for arms lmao
yeah it's fucked up looking and I love it
azure oriole
vagrant estuary
weren't the demons mutated by radiation in 64? Well I want to know what was in that radiation
That caused the pain elemental to look so different
lapis saddle
I’d much rather get chipped by hitscan than get oneshot by rockets that are near impossible to avoid in tight spaces
lyric lodge
That caused the pain elemental to look so different
Caused the caco to look like the pain elemental too
north oxide
I think it was part radiation and part being buffed by the Mother Demon (who I think was a Wraith? Maybe? They look similar)
vagrant estuary
the cacodemons mutation is understandable, grows extra arms
azure oriole
I can really think of too many times in vanilla Doom where you literally can’t dodge the cyberdemon
But his boss at the end of episode 2 is where he’s best utilized
lapis saddle
Vanilla Doom? Not so much. I’m playing Sigil right now
azure oriole
Oh yeah 💀
I shit my pants after killing the spidermastermind and then seeing the cyberdemon walk up
lapis saddle
Vanilla Doom mostly plays very fair with the cyberdemon. Sigil gives you a claustrophobic maze and a cyberdemon is wandering about
lapis saddle
Not the last level, E5M6
lapis saddle
I think so
azure oriole
Classic Romero
lapis saddle
UV and Nightmare anyway
azure oriole
am i able to break demons weak spots with the rocket launcher?
hello
may i get a response please?
lapis saddle
Potentially, but it’s not reliable
azure oriole
ok thanks
azure oriole
Vanilla Doom mostly plays very fair with the cyberdemon. Sigil gives you a claus...
id enjoy this rhythm of gameplay in the next game
Doom 2016 was pretty nice ig
lapis saddle
I really hope we get something akin to a level editor next Doom. I don’t really expect one given how Eternal did well without one, but it would be a good thing to bring back.
Especially because I want to see what kinds of challenges the community comes up with
azure oriole
At the very least something along the lines of custom arenas would be neat
lapis saddle
I’d want to play with making a style of level where there are no fodder demons so your resources are on a much tighter squeeze than usual. Probably with smaller fights to keep it doable
ruby wharf
I’d want to play with making a style of level where there are no fodder demons s...
suprer shotgun discrimination lol
lapis saddle
I like when players have to factor ammo into their strategy in major ways.
ruby wharf
I like when players have to factor ammo into their strategy in major ways.
its definately interesting but i think that the later game wapons especialy are more focoused on the usage of high rof or high ammo per shot wich makes the usage of the chainsaw more important so it would practialy constrain the level to the first three weapons
lapis saddle
Also such a level editor would probably allow for the mapper to decide what weapons the player gets so they could just not include the SSG if they really didn’t want you using it
ruby wharf
Also such a level editor would probably allow for the mapper to decide what weap...
but big gun go BOOM
lapis saddle
Having the SSG be a tool in the players toolbox but they have to use it very sparingly seems like a good balance to strike
ruby wharf
definately a cool concept, id definately enjoy a level like that but id need to know first or id blow all my ammo
lapis saddle
Yeah the mapper would need to be sure the player knew.
ruby wharf
like in the doom hunter base one of the hell priests keeps saying
'"his munitions grow weak brothers"
lapis saddle
Cultist base but yeah he talks about the Slayer tiring despite that not really being a thing the Slayer does
ruby wharf
one of the jokes among my friend group is to hijack someones Bluetooth device like airpods or speaker or smth and ambush them with doom music or the intro speach
lapis saddle
You know it would be kinda evil if every arena had 2-3 fodder but they were all screechers
ruby wharf
just sends people into a panic so quick
ruby wharf
You know it would be kinda evil if every arena had 2-3 fodder but they were all ...
best prank was cuustom map with rocket launchers only
midnight sparrow
am i able to break demons weak spots with the rocket launcher?
Yeah but idk why you would.
ruby wharf
Yeah but idk why you would.
because i feel dangerous rn
azure oriole
https://tenor.com/view/discord-logging-off-discord-logging-off-furry-estevao-gif...
sleep with one eye open
azure oriole
pastel night
latent badger
started the taras nabad master level
holy fuck the coin room is BRUTAL
the outside room with the statue where the archvile spawns in campaign is an amazing room
gloomy trench
I love the double Archie room in that level
vagrant estuary
Oh God
gloomy trench
Oh
latent badger
nah its fine
gloomy trench
Where r u now
vagrant estuary
I'm gonna be honest the ancient gods dlc sucks
latent badger
in the room where you get the coin for the crucible
vagrant estuary
Not the gameplay but the story
slow sigil
sorry to hear you are objectivally wr- oh yeah the story fucking sucked fair
latent badger
with the plasma shielders, doom hunters, and cyber mancs
gloomy trench
I find that room to be fine compared to some others in the level
slow sigil
tag2's story was rushed so they couldnt really do it well
proper geyser
Story was terrible but I pretty much loved the gameplay. Except the final boss. Yikes.
vagrant estuary
I don't know why I just don't like ancient beings like there could have been something else
vagrant estuary
Story was terrible but I pretty much loved the gameplay. Except the final boss. ...
But the battle in hell was good though
latent badger
i liked the story in tag
slow sigil
But the battle in hell was good though
eh it looks cool but it doesnt make any sense
vagrant estuary
how
slow sigil
literally the level before we heard about how the gate of divum is the only way to get to immora, and then suddenly the entire fucking sentinel army shows up for no reason
gloomy trench
Samur > Davoth in terms of difficulty
proper geyser
The battle was cool but like...why do you have to find this gate then everyone can portal in lol
vagrant estuary
well...
latent badger
Samur > Davoth in terms of difficulty
defo, samur is INSANELY hard
azure oriole
But the battle in hell was good though
wouldve been cool if it was in hell and a 1 on 1 instead of killing other demons while fighting the sin
slow sigil
wouldve been cool if it was in hell and a 1 on 1 instead of killing other demons...
doom is an arena shooter, the bosses are crap if they are 1v1
vagrant estuary
I would honestly wanted to fight that large ass titan as a boss instead of davoth
azure oriole
lol
proper geyser
Was disappointed immora looked all high tech
Loved the gothic look in 2016 hell
slow sigil
the best bosses in eternal are all bosses that use other demons
azure oriole
Was disappointed immora looked all high tech
Loved the gothic look in 2016 hell
reason why i like 2016 more
proper geyser
But I'm nitpicking really
proper geyser
Aye
latent badger
im fully tired of green flash bosses, the marauders were fine, the gladiator was a bit much, and davoth was too much
slow sigil
now it's just red urdak
azure oriole
high tech with the gothic looks
true
latent badger
Was disappointed immora looked all high tech
Loved the gothic look in 2016 hell
in lore it makes sense
slow sigil
im fully tired of green flash bosses, the marauders were fine, the gladiator was...
marauders arent really bosses so eh
vagrant estuary
marauders arent really bosses so eh
Mini?
slow sigil
in lore it makes sense
they made the lore in tag2 so that doesnt matter
latent badger
they made the lore in tag2 so that doesnt matter
what is that supposed to mean
slow sigil
what is that supposed to mean
the lore doesnt matter as they made it once the level design came around
latent badger
???
slow sigil
"inlore" isnt a factor basically
vagrant estuary
what
latent badger
yea i agree with that
vagrant estuary
Im also gonna be honest I think the icon of sins level design was terrible
latent badger
yea....
vagrant estuary
like the last part where you fight it on top of. A building
azure oriole
like the last part where you fight it on top of. A building
worst arena
the fight was very anti climactic
latent badger
disagree tbh
gloomy trench
At least you’re not fighting a png stuck on a wall
vagrant estuary
Hated how he couldn't even destroy the building either
azure oriole
gladiator was better
gloomy trench
I hate how the first doom hunter and marauder you fight got a whole cutscene, but the other super heavies didn’t get any kind of intro, just a codex entry when fighting them
azure oriole
2016 Hell is mid, Eternal Hell is much better.
strange gale
Mini?
you could argue he's introduced as a miniboss, but there are several 1 & 0 cycles available by the time you reach the first one
azure oriole
what are peoples thoughts on bug eating?
azure oriole
2016 Hell is mid, Eternal Hell is much better.
2016 hell has character
where even is hell in eternal lol
WDYM?
azure oriole
Yes
-Half of Exultia
-Nekravol
-Blood Swamps
-Immora
I don't get why so many people pumpsuck Hell's depiction in 2016 when it's largely just a bunch of fucking caves and rocks.
Nekravol actually feels like a lived-in Hell cathedral by comparison.
slow sigil
eternal's hell also feels actually pretty unique
gloomy trench
I feel like it’s a stretch to put that final part of mars as hell
azure oriole
-Half of Exultia
-Nekravol
-Blood Swamps
-Immora
i meant they are boring
2016's hell feels like youre about to die any second
azure oriole
i meant they are boring
Nekravol, Blood Swamps, and Immora are awesome. I'll give you Exultia
Immora is cool but nah not the others
clear swan
Hey can someone help me I’m now installing doom eternal and if I go to the store it says the ancient gods dlc or whatever is free but when I want to install it is says error anyone knows what this means ?
azure oriole
and what makes it cool is the soundtrack
azure oriole
Hey can someone help me I’m now installing doom eternal and if I go to the store...
the dlcs arent free what
Blood Swamps are the opposite of boring, literally like the most unique Hell level by virtue of not using red as its main color and actually having a new environment we haven't seen in Hell.
clear swan
On my store it says that
azure oriole
Blood Swamps are the opposite of boring, literally like the most unique Hell lev...
it got a banger track playin
clear swan
So it isn’t supposed to be free
azure oriole
Plus I love Nekravol a fuckton.
clear swan
Well how should I pay for it if it says its free
I believe you need to pay maybe its my ps store but I am not able to do so
azure oriole
if you own the game on xbox then get xbox app
there is an option to buy dlc there right under the game
clear swan
Is it even worth it (I’m on ps5)
slow sigil
tag1 is the best content ingame imo
azure oriole
HELLa worth it bro
gloomy trench
Very much worth
azure oriole
2016 hell has character
where even is hell in eternal lol
name one environment in 2016
azure oriole
name one environment in 2016
the start of titan's realm
clear swan
Yeah but it just isn’t possible and that sucks
azure oriole
Eternal Hell just fleshes out the place or not.
Its a literal kingdom
Me when I realized you can actually map out 90% of Hell's levels in Doom because the modern games made sure to actually have consistent lore on the place as a geographical area:
it has literal people in cages
how is this not “character”
2016 just looks like minecraft nether on rtx BEFORE THE NETHER UPDATE
The 2016 hell levels have big demon skulls and it looks cool
slow sigil
The 2016 hell levels have big demon skulls and it looks cool
the blood swamps:
azure oriole
why dragging in the dlcs man
slow sigil
huh
azure oriole
base campaigns
clear swan
I checked it my only option is to buy the year one pass would you say that is worth it
azure oriole
you could complete the game like 50 times in that time
stiff plume
It's hard to defeat The Dark Lord
azure oriole
u throw ur monitor 50 feet off the ground
azure oriole
u throw ur monitor 50 feet off the ground
no u
k
you just hate 2016 that's all
k
not worth wasting my time on chumps
k
k
lapis saddle
2016 did the old school style hell as well as they possibly could, while Eternal went In some different directions with Hell’s biome
azure oriole
you just hate 2016 that's all
eternal sucks, that versions of hell is just a minecraft nether fortress
mojang should sue.
k
lmfaoooooo
lapis saddle
Exultia is a bit bland though. Blood Swamps and Nekravol are both excellent and distinct
azure oriole
Exultia is a bit bland though. Blood Swamps and Nekravol are both excellent and ...
kinda the weakest part of the game for me. Why it also just has u going to 2 different places
slow sigil
kinda the weakest part of the game for me. Why it also just has u going to 2 dif...
???? eternal sends you to like 7 different looking places
azure oriole
???? eternal sends you to like 7 different looking places
i said exultia is my least fav level
slow sigil
alr, still a big list to go
azure oriole
im pretty sure u read my sentence wrong
lapis saddle
My memory of Immora is a bit hazy but what I do remember was good
azure oriole
My memory of Immora is a bit hazy but what I do remember was good
I like Immora a lot.
also i didnt rlly like the 2nd level cause it oddly gives u the plasma rifle i guess
Immora IMO is a great level aside from an unfortunate lack of Archviles.
slow sigil
bit too mcuh "red urdak" and "boring stone" for me
azure oriole
also i didnt rlly like the 2nd level cause it oddly gives u the plasma rifle i g...
Plasma rifle deserved better
slow sigil
and doesnt really say "capital of hell" to me
azure oriole
Some people dislike that Immora's so high-tech. I disagree, I like it a lot because of this. That and I fucking love the spectacle around it.
Immora would be mid as fuck without the Sentinels and Immorans fighting around you IMO.
slow sigil
Some people dislike that Immora's so high-tech. I disagree, I like it a lot *bec...
high tech could be cool but atleast have a lil bit more distinct hell things, and not as much red urdak
azure oriole
aside from boss fight the entire level is a bang start to finish
azure oriole
Immora would be mid as fuck without the Sentinels and Immorans fighting around y...
i would enjoy some sentinal enemy types
lapis saddle
Did Immora have rain? I remember there being rain in Immora but it’s been a while since I played TAG 2
azure oriole
This is my opportunity to reassert my hot take that Davoth Really Isn't That Bad and I prefer his fight over Samur's.
azure oriole
Did Immora have rain? I remember there being rain in Immora but it’s been a whil...
I don't think so but don't take my word for it.
slow sigil
well yeah but you're insane
azure oriole
Every time I replay Eternal I fight Davoth and my opinion's always the same, being that oh hey wow that was a solid, like, B-tier boss fight.
slow sigil
i snooze off
azure oriole
Every time I replay Eternal I fight Davoth and my opinion's always the same, bei...
most games i play dont rlly have a boss fight in shooters so i cant rlly complain too much and say its the worse thing ive ever played
was either that or a bullet sponge
slow sigil
you can compare it to the rest of the eternal bosses
azure oriole
have you nothing to say to your creator before you strike him down
i love the end tho
slow sigil
it's basically 5 marauders back to back and marauders are already boring
azure oriole
Davoth as a character is fucking awesome.
As a boss, he's serviceable. Could be better. Could be worse.
slow sigil
davoth as a character has been basterdized by the tag2 rushing
azure oriole
i wish the world was flat and simultaneously infinate
minecraft
Yeah, unfortunately most of the cool things about his character are text in Codex files. But, oh well! At least it's cool text in cool Codex files.
strange gale
most games i play dont rlly have a boss fight in shooters so i cant rlly complai...
the earliest character action games (ex. dmc 1 from 22 years ago) have miles better bosses than any fps other than ultrakill to this day
azure oriole
yes but with infinate continents so there are alot of exploration
i think the channel is doom eternal
lapis saddle
I remember eventually giving up on beating Davoth because I couldn’t deal with all the summons. I felt the fight overall was fine, if a bit long
azure oriole
i think the channel is doom eternal
im only on one server
His fight also has the best music in the series.
slow sigil
if only the fight went hard enough to do that justice 
lapis saddle
I think the best way to handle Davoth would have been to give him a suit like the praetor suit and make the showdown like fighting another Slayer. Kinda like how Jacob was handled in Dusk
azure oriole
I think the best way to handle Davoth would have been to give him a suit like th...
like how the marauder was originally
slow sigil
i've never heard about that maraduers where originally supposed to be like the player
azure oriole
the earliest character action games (ex. dmc 1 from 22 years ago) have miles bet...
minecraft guns mod vs enderdragon
azure oriole
i've never heard about that maraduers where originally supposed to be like the p...
that seemed to be there idea
slow sigil
where?
lapis saddle
Yeah this is the first I’ve heard of this
azure oriole
besides being your equal his design somewhat is supposed to be a reflection of u. But Id prob should have had more time to cook
slow sigil
i mean with the current iteration it would never be fighting against "you"
azure oriole
Besides being the only one with dash mechanics and a super shotgun. hes not rlly You. hes just the only character that keeps u on ur toes
slow sigil
the closest similarity is having a shield that blocks all damage
azure oriole
Besides being the only one with dash mechanics and a super shotgun. hes not rlly...
but he was marketed as ur equal
slow sigil
but it's all too dissimilar
azure oriole
but it's all too dissimilar
thats just how he was marketed. im not makin assumptions
slow sigil
marketing usually isnt that integrated with the game itself
azure oriole
marketing usually isnt that integrated with the game itself
u said u never heard marauders originally supposed to be like you
slow sigil
still havent
azure oriole
They were described before the game released marauders were supposed to be your equal
If u want u can go look it up on past interviews abt Eternal’s enemies
lapis saddle
I do remember Hugo Martin talking in interviews about him being the “anti Doomguy” or something along those lines, but nothing specific enough to pull an intended gimmick from
azure oriole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzX09_4hcPc
also that
And whether u wanna take Hugo’s word or not. i mean even e3
calls the marauder the other black belt
e3 marauders were marketed as this “equal” enemy to u
lapis saddle
He was definitely overhyped.
slow sigil
but then still not at all
azure oriole
The intended thing with the Marauder is that he was supposed to be like fighting an equal to the Slayer.
Problem is he's just a bit boring.
lapis saddle
I think the Marauder is fine as a high tier enemy, but he’s not really anything that special in the Doom Eternal we got
azure oriole
it is fun to fight all the other demons and try and priorities having him as the last meaningfull unite on the battlefeild
he is always chasing you and i find that the only fun part of him
azure oriole
but then still not at all
what are u tryna prove
slow sigil
take a guess
yeaah he was sapossed to be the anti slayer or something
then davoth became it
but then still not at all
azure oriole
im guessin u took shite too literal
azure oriole
> yeaah he was sapossed to be the anti slayer or something
> then davoth became ...
well if ur talking about lore wise. No we don’t know what Eternal’s story was supposed to be.
But we are saying the Marauders was supposed to be ur equal in terms of gameplay and design
We know that Eternal's story for the most part seemed to always be the same, aside from presumably some last-minute restructuring as to which levels took place where.
Plot points like Davoth being the real Father and such were planned relatively early on.
slow sigil
casually placed mars core from one of the first to late-middle
azure oriole
casually placed mars core from one of the first to late-middle
It's really confusing with Mars Core. The acquisition of the Plasma Rifle suggests it was going to be an early level, but the Archvile appearing halfway through in an older gameplay showcase suggests it was going to be one of the later levels.
Plus the Slayer having the Crucible
slow sigil
the archvile scene was made by marketing though wasnt it?
azure oriole
I dunno. It felt like a natural cutscene for the game.
slow sigil
otherwise it was probably threw around multiple times
azure oriole
Plus the Slayer having the Crucible
when i saw this trailer the first time i thought the Slayer just escaped and beat the shit out of Hayden and took it then realized its not the same crucible
There's also the whole, you know, Nekravol thing.
azure oriole
It's really confusing with Mars Core. The acquisition of the Plasma Rifle sugges...
plasma rifle late game weapon lol
slow sigil
what whole nekravol thing
azure oriole
what whole nekravol thing
Nekravol was originally going to be the Tower of Babel and take place in the region of Hell we saw in Doom 1993; the Eternal Artbook featuring Erebus, the Archdemon of Doom 1993's region of Hell, plus the Steam cards referencing the Tower of Babel, seems to affirm this.
azure oriole
It's really confusing with Mars Core. The acquisition of the Plasma Rifle sugges...
ig they couldnt give those guards other weapons plasma rifle fit the best but then again why even add that detail
Late in development they changed this - Nekravol is now its own location separate from the Tower of Babel, and Erebus was replaced with Kalibas.
It's unclear as to why they changed this, though I suspect it's because they realized they'd established the Tower of Babel to be ruins in 2016.
Also note that the Tyrant's Codex page establishes them to be slave-drivers in the "black soul pits of Babel", and Nekravol Part 1 is when you first meet a Tyrant outside of Slayer Gates.
lapis saddle
Huh
slow sigil
people that force the slaves to do their work
azure oriole
Meaning that they oversaw slaves as they did manual labor.
lapis saddle
Idk why a slave driver needs a rocket launcher for a hand, but it’s cool so whatever
azure oriole
Much of Hell construction is overseen by slaves, though whether the slaves are human or demon is unknown.
slow sigil
the sentinel slaves where depicted as humane
azure oriole
Nekravol, for example, was built by Argenta slaves by the direction of Hell and the Maykrs. Or, at least, the Citadel was.
azure oriole
people that force the slaves to do their work
enthrallers?
lapis saddle
My understanding was that the low ranking demons like the Unwilling constituted the slaves of Hell
azure oriole
Idk why a slave driver needs a rocket launcher for a hand, but it’s cool so what...
Hey man, we used whips. Demons use rocket launchers. No judging.
are imps even slaves
azure oriole
My understanding was that the low ranking demons like the Unwilling constituted ...
This is probably the likely answer, yeah.
azure oriole
are imps even slaves
Imps are more like footsoldiers. They're humanoid and presumably self-aware, but the Codex seems to imply they're not very bright, and their application in Hell's army comes less from their strength and more from the sheer number of them.
lapis saddle
I remember seeing a codex entry specifically refer to the Unwilling as such
azure oriole
Isn’t it stated or implied in 2016 that unwilling are hells slaves?
i think imps are to stupid to be slaves
Considering that Imps aren't very strong, they wouldn't make good slaves.
azure oriole
Isn’t it stated or implied in 2016 that unwilling are hells slaves?
This is correct.
lapis saddle
They’re Hell peasants
azure oriole
The Unwilling are fully transformed Possessed that have been transported to Hell to serve as shrine worshippers, slave labor for higher level demons, or cannon fodder for battle within hell.
azure oriole
Considering that Imps aren't very strong, they wouldn't make good slaves.
stone imp
Hell actually has a lived-in society that Doom doesn't really focus on. They have culture, they have entertainment.
The original games kind of portray them more as animals and monsters, but the modern games establish through the environments that demons, many of them, are self-aware and capable of rational thought and emotion.
And they have a lot of demon on demon crime 
Maybe not Pinkies and Cacos, those are Hell wildlife. But Imps, Hell Knights, Cyberdemons? Yeah
lapis saddle
Lots of hanging baron corpses in the Necropolis in 2016.
I know it’s as a reference to Doom 1, but surely they did something really bad to end up like that
azure oriole
Yeah probably.
The lore even mentions the events of several demon uprisings.
They're capable of thinking for themselves, and if you consider the possibility that the Wretch is a demon, there could even be good or kind demons. But, obviously, the gameplay can't focus on that.
neat bronze
Doom has lores??
azure oriole
Doom has lores??
always have
lapis saddle
I assume the Wretch is dead by now, but if not it’d be cool to see what they look like
neat bronze
I thought the game is just RIP AND TEAR demon till you bored😔
azure oriole
Doom has lores??
too much lore
azure oriole
I thought the game is just RIP AND TEAR demon till you bored😔
yes we play for the action not lore
azure oriole
I thought the game is just RIP AND TEAR demon till you bored😔
It is. It also has lore information with it.
azure oriole
yes we play for the action not lore
Hey, speak for yourself. I play for both.
but if youre interested checking out the lore is also cool
I always saw demon intelligence as equivalent to Nemesis from Re3. Smart enough to carry out orders and do more complex tasks but not independent in any way and teeters towards being animalistic.
neat bronze
The only lores i know is The Icon of sin Easter egg in doom 2
azure oriole
I always saw demon intelligence as equivalent to Nemesis from Re3. Smart enough ...
Fun fact: In RE's lore, three Nemesis T-Types were made. Two of them realized they were self-aware and capable of free thought, so they tried to escape and were executed by Umbrella. The last is the one we fight in RE3.
is that even lore idk like the john romero head thing
azure oriole
Idk why a slave driver needs a rocket launcher for a hand, but it’s cool so what...
“i said 9cm with a whip. NOT 10 METERS OF ORDANANCE”
azure oriole
The only lores i know is The Icon of sin Easter egg in doom 2
thsts the only one that matters
So yeah, they're like Nemesis. They're intelligent, and capable of free thought, but can be socially engineered and groomed to the bidding of higher demons.