doom-eternal

[azure oriole]

You only run the risk if you take said cheats into a match but yeah play normally like everyone else bub

[tawny magnet]

oh ok
thanks ill try to beat the first mission normally

[azure forum]

Keep in mind that if you use cheats you can't access the slayer gates.

[tawny magnet]

you mean the mission new one

btw im just doing everything normally no mods no cheats

[craggy ember]

Hell yeah! What's up, @ocean jungle ? Did you just buy Eternal?

You can add me! I'll DM you my name.

[lapis axle]

3 of 6 slayer keys on hurt me plenty so far

[craggy ember]

It could be a million reasons... my GPU kept crashing, and I changed the power cord. Everything is fine now. No more crashes. If you are more specific, you might find a solution. What happens exactly?

[azure oriole]

I can usually get around 35 min of gameplay and then my game will crash. It does not exit me out of the game it just freezes my screen and I have to open my Xbox Hub to be able to close the window (I have to go into the task manager. to close it) It also soft-locks me while loading in o the game as well.

I have not bought it on steam because i don't feel like rebuying it but I might if the problem continues.

[craggy ember]

@azure oriole Could you add me as a friend so I can DM you instead of messaging through here?

Hi!

[azure oriole]

Is DE worth buying on Xbox

Kind of worried about how the controls will feel cause of the fast paced gameplay

Xbox series s specifically

Speaking as an xbox player, yeah

rip and tear on controller

Alright. Have any optimal control settings?

I personally prefer default

Control.binds that is

[azure oriole]

(I am on play station) but if you are good with controller nothing should stop you from having the same experience as mnk players

I’d just play on pc normally but I haven’t gotten it shipped up after I moved so I’m stuck with consoles

Thankfully Doom fans on consoles are eating pretty good

[craggy ember]

HA! That's awful 😖 I am guenienly sad for you. I'm great!! I'm gonna go shopping for supplies to make cupcakes.. and Mozzarella sticks

But. Like evil cupcakes.

An, I'm going to dip the Mozzarella sticks in the blood of 1,000 virgins.

[noble surge]

hi everyone 🙂

[craggy ember]

Yo!

[noble surge]

i'm a noob of fps, i have struggle in the lower difficulty :((

oh yeah, i'm italian, so if i made gramm error you know why lel

[craggy ember]

Ey, piasano! I'm first generation Italian-American

[craggy ember]

You picked a good game to start on!

[noble surge]

yeye, i love doom

campain, dlc1 and 2 in 42 h

at too young

i want to finish all in ultra hell at 100%, so i have a lot to work lel

[craggy ember]

Yes, practice. Just get through the first run the best you can... I plan to play this game through at least 5, or 6 times.

[noble surge]

damn

now it's time to go to bed, have a good day/night all over the world, byyyye

[fair trout]

@craggy ember sure mate thanks !!

[severe oxide]

I just beat both ancient gods dlcs and fully completed all the levels

And I finally beat davoth

[young mango]

Not even joking I’ve probably played the game at least 20+ times, and that’s generous, I’d say like 50+ if I weren’t trying to be

The xp to level ratio actually adds up to more along the lines of 65 times

[median badger]

hello

[severe oxide]

[young mango]

hi @jaunty vapor I realize you’re not online right now but when you are could you please answer a tech question I’m curious about? I’m looking at the damage index and it appears that tyrants and barons actually have an slight resistance towards rockets is this true?

Or just the lock on in specific

[young mango]

I found the quickest way to destroy a tyrant without superweapons

[uneven turtle]

/kill?

[young mango]

You open up by shooting sticky bombs towards the sky at an angle to where they fall back on the tyrant, and when you go up to him, heavy cannon mod cancel into ballista, do destroyer blade, transfer that speed to the ssg, do one shot, blood punch, another shot, without the sticky bombs the damage total is 8250/10000, this factors in the ice bombs damage bonus, but the sticky bombs just assist in what little this combo couldn’t do

It results in a total kill time of around 2.58 seconds

Infact this is quicker than superweapons if you don’t count the crucible

BFG is slower than this method, Unmaykr is slower than this method

And if done correctly he should die before his frost even has the chance to wear off

[slow sigil]

Arguably shooting the stickies in the sky is part of the progress qua time

[young mango]

Yes

[slow sigil]

Do barrels stack damage?

[young mango]

Well I think of it as a set up because the tyrant isn’t even spawned in yet

[strange gale]

it makes sense to start counting from the first frame the tyrant starts taking damage, yeah

[young mango]

Of course killing a tyrant like this is highly impractical but it’s just fun to push the limits of what’s possible

[slow sigil]

Just take 30 minutes stacking barrels

[young mango]

What do you mean

[slow sigil]

Explosive barrels

[young mango]

You shoot them and they fall down that’s all that happens, you can’t “stack” it as you suggest

[slow sigil]

You can move them around

Dash into one it goes flying without exploding

[young mango]

Oh no I mean sticky bombs, you severely misinterpreted my phrase

[slow sigil]

I was talking about barrels

[rigid escarp]

Hi, Comms, does anyone play here play DE on NSW?

[young mango]

Barrels don’t play into the combo

[slow sigil]

They do in mine, making it the real fastest

[young mango]

Show me

[slow sigil]

I'm in bed rn

[young mango]

You never recorded it or anything

[slow sigil]

But just do what you did next to some barrels

[slow sigil]

It's theoretically faster

[young mango]

Yes but there would need to be barrels in the arena

[slow sigil]

Sgn has them

The ML atleast iirc

[young mango]

Yes but we’re talking about a kill that’s relying more on rng and luck instead of skill at that point

And there is not a single explosive barrel in the place where I did the combo

At that point why not factor in all environmental technicality’s like crushers

[slow sigil]

Are we really gonna give every tyrant their own personal timer

[slow sigil]

Pretty sure there is no crusher arena with tyrant though

[young mango]

But theoretically you could spawn one in, and since it’s POSSIBLE it’s doable

[slow sigil]

Well not really cause everything follows pre-determance and positioning

[strange gale]

i theorycrafted a combo that kills in 2.144 seconds, assuming everything gets the frostbite bonus

[young mango]

What is it

[strange gale]

double dblade (level 3) > pb > rocket > slob > modswap cancel into pb

6000 + 500 + 787.5 + 2362.5 + 500

[slow sigil]

But what if we threw an explosove barrel by the mix

[sacred dirge]

[maiden cape]

Im trying to use the consolde commands but the cheat engine isnt working

[young mango]

You have to have either mod injector or meathook installed

[maiden cape]

oh

can u send a link to mod injector?

[young mango]

Google it

[maiden cape]

is it da gamebanana one?

[young mango]

Yes

[maiden cape]

ty

[young mango]

But I’m pretty sure you can also get it on nexus

[jolly kernel]

I feel like a lot of Doom fans are those that usually play 2016 and especially Eternal more than the games before 2016

videos about Classic Doom and Doom 3 have much lower views compared to 2016 and Eternal

[vagrant estuary]

like what Duke Nukem said

Sentinel armour is for 🐱

[severe oxide]

Doom 3 main theme fire tho

[maiden cape]

is that it?

[young mango]

Well you also have to run it

[maiden cape]

k

[young mango]

Sentinel isn’t an option on ultra nightmare

[jolly kernel]

you must have a skill issue if you die repeatedly on like any boss fight in the game

[maiden cape]

do I put cheat engine in the mod folder?

[jolly kernel]

I think I lost a few lives in the Gladiator and Icon Of Sin fights and that’s it

[young mango]

No you just put it along with the files with doometernal64xv or whatever it’s called,

[maiden cape]

in the doom eternal files?

[severe oxide]

I didnt die at all

[azure forum]

Not really, the game can be difficult for many and it is a way good way avoid extreme frustration during boss battles

[azure forum]

2016s main campaign is much superior than eternals, imo.

[jolly kernel]

a friend of mine had the same thought lol

I like 2016 but it feels like a game for babies compared to Eternal

[azure forum]

How so?

[jolly kernel]

it’s slower, doesn’t has much gameplay features and you can use the same weapons on everything

[vagrant estuary]

no bro

I'm absolute dogshit at doom eternal and I still don't like Sentinel armour

[azure forum]

I don't fully agree. Although the trinity is too good in 2016, the gameplay is better imo. Eternals combat is just too good compared to 2016s, but 2016s story and ambience is better. it is much more fun to play 2016s main campaign than eternal. Also, 2016 is harder than eternal imo especially on UN

[severe oxide]

Only had to use it on doom hunter cuz I did hurt me plenty

Cuz I wanted to 100% it

[azure forum]

I dont like sentinel armor either, but I dont think that people that use it are what you called them.

[vagrant estuary]

Honestly doom hunter doesn't even feel hard anymore, even on nightmarr

[jolly kernel]

I didn’t had much trouble playing 2016 for the first time on uv yet Eternal kicked my ass in the early levels on hurt me plenty

[vagrant estuary]

I swear doom hunter just becomes easier once you have everything upgraded

[severe oxide]

And I did 100% first and second difficulty and both ancient god dlcs 100% done found every secret

[azure forum]

Doom hunter is just easier once you learn how to approach them.

[vagrant estuary]

What difficulty did you play doom Hunter on?

[severe oxide]

That I used sentinel armor on

It was hurt me plenty

[vagrant estuary]

1.freeze. 2. blood punch. 3. Repeat

[jolly kernel]

one thing though, I think 2016’s glory kills are superior compared to Eternal

[vagrant estuary]

Or just disable it's shield and use the lock on burst

[azure forum]

Blood punch, SSG PB on the sled, frags for falter, etc.

[severe oxide]

Eh some

[azure forum]

🤝

[vagrant estuary]

yeah well I'm a PS4 player I'm absolutely shit

[severe oxide]

Xbox 1

[azure forum]

Another thing we can agree Darth, both are great games regarding of which one we prefer 🤝

[severe oxide]

Yes

[jolly kernel]

in 2016, glory kills involve punching, stomping and crushing, while a lot of Eternal’s glory kills are stabbing or slicing enemies with the doom blade, which just doesn’t feel as satisfying

[vagrant estuary]

Kinda pisses me off how you can't change your difficulty to nightmare once you start or finish campaign on '16

[severe oxide]

From above and behind glory kills

Also side glory kills and more

[azure forum]

I love that there are glory kills against walls and such

[vagrant estuary]

The fucking doom hunter glory kill where you slice its head in half gives me damn tingles, I love it so much

[severe oxide]

Side glory kill

[azure forum]

That doom hunter one, the prowler spine and the marauder knee break are some of the best ones in eternal

[severe oxide]

My favorite in the entire game is the stabbing the hell out of the marauder one

[vagrant estuary]

Yes

[jolly kernel]

when I first played both 2016 and Eternal, I enjoyed playing them all the way through

[vagrant estuary]

Oh yeah whats the event theme on eternal right now?

[jolly kernel]

which is something I can’t really say about Classic Doom

[severe oxide]

Not sure

[azure forum]

I've never played the classic ones, they don't really look too good for me. I prefer the modern games in that aspect

[severe oxide]

Eh

[vagrant estuary]

What

[jolly kernel]

there’s no denying that even though Classic Doom games were revolutionary, they are really outdated nowadays

[severe oxide]

Yea

[vagrant estuary]

"they don't really look good to me"

What do you even mean bruh the classics don't look good

[jolly kernel]

I mean, they were like one of the first fps games ever made

and 1993-1995 isn’t the same as 2016-2020

[severe oxide]

So it makes sense why they don't look good

Back then it was beautiful

[jolly kernel]

well, I think the sprites look good

[severe oxide]

I personally think they look cool tho

[vagrant estuary]

The hell knights in the reboot series look gross

[severe oxide]

Eh

[jolly kernel]

my main problem with Classic Doom games is that the levels are so-maze like at times, which is a thing with most other 90s fps games

[vagrant estuary]

Well yeah

[severe oxide]

And the secrets

[vagrant estuary]

like pack man

[vagrant estuary]

needs challenge

[severe oxide]

Eh

[jolly kernel]

geez, Gate To Limbo is like the most confusing Ultimate Doom level ever

[vagrant estuary]

lmao the marauder running looks so goofy

looks likes a marathon runner

[severe oxide]

Eh

The marauder causes controversy

First time I played he took all my extra lives

[vagrant estuary]

fr

[merry gazelle]

Different appeals between Doom games, even between 2016 and Eternal

Where is 2016 is about exploring with arenas mixed in, Eternal is mostly just arenas with some platforming to break up the action

[sacred dirge]

It's not really maze like but I can see how a new player would feel that way

[jolly kernel]

”You were never one of us! You were nothing but an usurper, a false idol! My eyes have been opened. Let me help you to see, Slayer!”

[vagrant estuary]

honestly I want to know what was going through Hugo's mind when he thought of adding the marauder and hunter as regular enemies in the game

[sacred dirge]

Laughs most likely

[jolly kernel]

first time I fought 2 Marauders in SGN ML I went “holy shit”

[severe oxide]

Probably hmm this is gonna make so many people want to game over themselves perfect

[vagrant estuary]

Honestly I hate when people say doom "has no strategy" to the gamed

[severe oxide]

Those people have never played it

[jolly kernel]

in regards to the Marauder, I like the glory kill where you are about to punch him then he grabs your fist, only to extend the Doom blade and having his head impaled

[severe oxide]

Yes

[jolly kernel]

no any other enemy in the game tries to block your attacks in their glory kill animations

[severe oxide]

Or at all in the game

[merry gazelle]

Might be because Marauders actually have combat training

[severe oxide]

Yea

[vagrant estuary]

Motyerfucker why did they classify the arch as a super heavy all it does is hide

especially at the start of Tara's nabad

Took me 4 minutes to find it

[severe oxide]

He can summon demons

[vagrant estuary]

but the pain elemental can do that too

[severe oxide]

Including marauders

[vagrant estuary]

Take pain elemental over arch anyday

[severe oxide]

Fr

[jolly kernel]

perhaps super heavy refers to how strong those demons are

[severe oxide]

Yea

[young mango]

It refers to their general health pool, and their chainsaw heirarchy

[jolly kernel]

when I see an Arch-Vile, I immediately use the crucible if I have ammo for it

[vagrant estuary]

True

[severe oxide]

Yes

[jolly kernel]

Doom 3 Arch Vile is the best one because he’s just as much of a pushover as every other enemy in the game

[vagrant estuary]

Doomslayer and his adventures

[vagrant estuary]

And if you don't?

[jolly kernel]

freeze him and quick swap between the ssg, rl, pb and ballista

[vagrant estuary]

you PC player

[craggy pewter]

hello guys, does any one know if its possible to transfer save data from ps4 to ps5?

[vagrant estuary]

like saved game data?

[craggy pewter]

yea my progress

[vagrant estuary]

maybe log in in with your beyehsda account?

I actually don't have a PS5 but maybe log in with your beyehsda account

[craggy pewter]

i still not installed the game on my ps5 actually but i was wondering..

because i almost did everything back then when i played on ps4

it would be a shame if its not taking over on ps5

[jolly kernel]

I feel sad for the console DE players because quick swapping obviously isn’t as easy

[vagrant estuary]

For real lmao

[sacred dirge]

Use controller on pc. It was tricky but once you get it down it's like breathing

[jolly kernel]

except I don't have a controller

besides, I'm comfortable with the key bindings I made

[sacred dirge]

That's fair

[merry gazelle]

I use controller for most genres except shooter and rts

[jolly kernel]

eh

[severe oxide]

Eh

[jolly kernel]

most pc games I play have good keyboard and mouse controls

[merry gazelle]

Like if I'm playing Souls, prefer controller

[jolly kernel]

well, I have an xbox 360 controller, but I can't connect it to my pc

even if I could, I don't see any reason for doing it as I said, a lot of my games work well with keyboard and mouse

[azure forum]

Not in the way of the graphics, but I mean that the don't catch my attention.

[midnight sparrow]

The Classics don’t even look that bad

[winter eagle]

I don't know if anyone knew this, but the sticky bombs and micro missles aren't affect by a Doom Hunter's shield, so if you encounter one, and have that infinite micro missle mod, then blast away

[jaunty vapor]

They definitely are "affected by the shield", except you can also hit the Doom Hunter's sled to do damage, and the explosive AoE hits the Sleds.

[winter eagle]

Someone made a video about hidden things the game doesn't tell you, and shows the health difference in the first one you encounter using this

Can I post links here to show you the vid, or no-

Here, I'll dm it to you

[young mango]

Imagine trying to tell bloodshot the tech😂😂

[winter eagle]

I've done it many times myself

[broken forum]

Dawggggg

[winter eagle]

It helps out a ton in Horde mode when the game spawns multiple

[young mango]

You’re not wrong it’s just like, you’re acting as if he doesn’t already know

[winter eagle]

Well I said "I don't know if anyone knows this" and I didn't interpret what he said as I am the big stupid, so

[azure oriole]

Don’t see this as a problem

Depends on how well the map is designed but maze like levels littered with resources, secrets, and puzzles can be good.

[lyric lodge]

well, this type of levels kinda depends on personal taste as some people would love the maze-like levels while others dont

[azure oriole]

I don’t really believe in games “aging” out of being good. If they were good then they’re more than likely still good now. Applies to Doom.

Great art is timeless

[lapis saddle]

I think the original Doom is still the best Doom. It’s not without problems but it holds up in large part because it nails the fundamentals. Doom 2 is more iffy thanks to certain levels but the campaigns mods made from it are fantastic. Plutonia basically demonstrates what the Doom 2 cast are capable of in the form of a series of short high difficulty levels

There are games that were good at the time but don’t hold up like Goldeneye 64 or Wolfenstein 3D, but they’re the exception rather than the rule.

[hoary hound]

my friend said it was so low quality

like bro it was made in the 1990's 💀

[slow sigil]

The quality still holds up tbf, better then some modern games made by more experienced studios

[hoary hound]

thats what im saying

[lyric lodge]

I'd say gameplay wise it's good. Judging a game based off of graphics is just...bruh💀

[dapper rivet]

• experience

[hoary hound]

ong

[dapper rivet]

my dad has played a lot of the older dooms, i am a bit new to this

started first with eternal

[hoary hound]

same

[lyric lodge]

My dad has no idea what doom is, I'm also a bit new but I know a good amount.

[hoary hound]

i watched lore vids lol

[dapper rivet]

once i beat it on nightmare, that was good enough for me

[lyric lodge]

Me too 💀

[dapper rivet]

same, those are so interesting

[lyric lodge]

My Nintendo switch ahh still stuck on UV but I've kinda stopped lately

[dapper rivet]

modded?

[lyric lodge]

No

[dapper rivet]

oh alr

which game ya'll start on

[hoary hound]

eternal

[dapper rivet]

same again

[lyric lodge]

Doom 1

[dapper rivet]

wow

[lyric lodge]

Got it because it was the cheapest 💀

[dapper rivet]

oh

you played doom 2?

[lyric lodge]

Nah

Went from doom 1 straight to eternal but ig I did play doom 2 on doom guy's pc in eternal

[dapper rivet]

ye archviles were menaces there 💀

do i pronounce arch vile or like vill

[hoary hound]

vile

[dapper rivet]

idk why i say vill in my head

anyway, i gtg, take care everyone

[hoary hound]

alr cya

[mild parcel]

i enjoy this game

[limber canopy]

Me also

[azure oriole]

I found out that if you use the meathook on a cyber mancubus, then shoot it with the super shotgun, then blood punch it you can immediately glory kill the cyber mancubus

[stone imp]

Yall didnt know?

[azure oriole]

I figured it out while playing the game

Now i have a better way to kill cyber mancubi and not waste a lot of ammo even if their armor got blood punched away

[knotty kayak]

is there a way to 1v1 in private match

[azure oriole]

I don't think so

[strange gale]

2020 tech

[knotty kayak]

fr but a 1999 game you can 1v1 just fine smh

[amber zephyr]

ong

[azure forum]

With mods you can

[knotty kayak]

im not downloading no dam mods

[azure forum]

Also, why would you do 1vs1 on. Battlemode? That's highly on the slayer side

[amber zephyr]

unless it were with a friend or smth

[knotty kayak]

but my friend is better

[azure forum]

Then you can't son. Simple as that.

[knotty kayak]

im not your "son"

[azure forum]

Ok son

[amber zephyr]

xD

[knotty kayak]

yes daddy

[amber zephyr]

what are your guys opinions on the ranger set?

[knotty kayak]

quake

[amber zephyr]

what?

[knotty kayak]

quake

[stone imp]

quake

[lyric isle]

I DID IT LETS FUCKING GOOO
i beat the final slayer gate

FINALLY
HOLY SHIT
i have so many recordings of me dying in that one slayer gate that add up to over 50 GB of storage

[knotty kayak]

skill iss-

jk good job

[lyric isle]

skill issue indeed my guy
i can barley do shit lmao

ty tho

im gonna post the videos on an alt youtube account and send im in #videos

brb

[uneven turtle]

what difficulty

also holt slayer gate:

[knotty kayak]

def not norm or i dont think he would be bragging

id say nightmare or ultra violence

[uneven turtle]

it's tough regardless

i don't even remember what demons there are

[sacred dirge]

The one of the reasons it's loved so much and people hate mods that change the look is the way the aesthetic is so pleasing

[dull herald]

IM SUCH A HUGE FAN

[azure oriole]

are u disliking the Art style the designs bring

or the medium they were put in.

[jolly kernel]

of course not bruh

[azure oriole]

just askin

[jolly kernel]

I don't dislike the graphics, I think they look cool, I'm just saying they look outdated

[azure oriole]

k

[hoary hound]

did you get the unmaykr?

[lyric isle]

not yet
still need to finish taras nabad

[hoary hound]

Oh

Still W

[lyric isle]

indeed

[limber canopy]

I think i've gotten a bug

I'm on the final part of hell on earth but the portal to the citadel wont open

@acoustic lark do you think you can help?

[acoustic lark]

Check if theres a imp running around

those sneaky fucks run off sometimes

otherwise just reload the last checkpoint

[limber canopy]

Ah

There was a soldier i didn't kill

Thanks pal

[rare trench]

Hey everyone
So I have NO idea about how to mod Doom Eternal but I really wanna play the Kaiser campaign (ideally the most updated one).
How?

sorry for asking in this channel but the actual modding channel just seems kinda dead

and I wanna play it now

[lost quest]

@azure forum or anyone have a good Ultranightmare Campaign walkthrough for controller players? I'm still in Exultia

[bleak plinth]

im back ad with the keys doom boys

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-dancing-car-meme-gif-17542560

[latent badger]

started playing the ancient gods part 1

did anyone else find the blood swamps far, far easier than the first level in the uac facility?

[rare trench]

yes UAC is hard

[latent badger]

the double marauder arena

[lost quest]

depends what difficulty you played. yea 2 big arenas and "The Trial of Maligog" compared to UAC its bigger and a bit complicated

[latent badger]

that was something

i play on normal, its hard enough for me usually lol

[lost quest]

there is no "normal" in doom games 🙂 every difficulty is a challenge as the game is catered to have you use all strategy and movement .. I think doom eternal is my fav game currently

[latent badger]

true

though my weapon usage could use some work... getting a spirit spawn with little-no plasma cells left from using the balista to kill it lol

[bleak plinth]

DOOM boys!!!!!!!!

[latent badger]

still absolutely despise archviles though, i can deal with all the other super heavies with not a ton of challenge but goddamn those bastards are annoying

any tips for dealing with them?

[rare trench]

seriously not a single person has instelled it before?

[latent badger]

installed what?

[rare trench]

kaiser campaign as a whole

[craggy ember]

I'm waiting for a reply myself.

[latent badger]

oh i dont know what that is

[bleak plinth]

im lookig for someone i met a year ago in this server

[latent badger]

do you know their username?

[bleak plinth]

o i cant ut they know something i always said

[latent badger]

?

[bleak plinth]

doom boys

[latent badger]

if you think you know something they said you can search for it in the search bar

[brittle quest]

https://wiki.eternalmods.com/books/1-how-to-install-mods/page/how-to-install-mods-doom-eternal

[azure oriole]

They have a fixed spwanpoints, so just remember where they spawn

Ice bomb —> Frag —> Lock on —> ssg kills them instantly

[latent badger]

oh really? i need to use rockets more lol

[brittle quest]

It's quite literally the second entry in the modding tutorial of the discord, so I don't exactly blame them for not replying.

[azure oriole]

Depends on your upgrades always go for more damage when they are freezed and double frags

And you will learn their spawns throughout your playthroughs so it will get to you with time

[latent badger]

im less concerned with the spawn points but that combo is defo worth trying

does that outright kill them or just bring them to glory kill?

[light pasture]

Anyone else not Able to see the leaderboards, keeps giving error

[azure oriole]

Depends on how far away you are or how fast you are but it should kill them

[latent badger]

cool

[azure oriole]

Spawns are only concerning on higher difficulty’s I believe so as long as you are not playing nightmare you should be fine

[latent badger]

cool

[visual harness]

Arch-villes are not that bad

Even at nightmare

[azure oriole]

Did you beat super gore nest on Ultra Nightmare?

[visual harness]

Attempted and regreted

[azure oriole]

The last fight gave me strokes

With how many of them there are

[visual harness]

Let me guess
The 3 arch-villes arena?

[azure oriole]

Exactly

It took me longer to beat that on Ultra Nightmare than DLC 1

Maybe because I was on ps4 with 30 fps but still

[visual harness]

I mainly use SSG + ballista combo

It's very effective

[azure oriole]

Precise Bolt does more damage

[visual harness]

Ik but to me it's hard to do PB + RL combo

[azure oriole]

Yeah it’s the best you can use

It’s still best for marauders and stuff

[visual harness]

Also is 6.66 update the last for doom eternal?

[ripe hinge]

fun fact: in doom eternal during the marauder cutscene when he activates his axe he scrapes it on the floor after you kill him you see the marks the tip of his axe made

@visual harness i hope not

and they did add the spring mega though

[visual harness]

I really want the immora master level

[ripe hinge]

i cant get ancient gods sadly

really wish you could gift it especially to other platform played

players*

[visual harness]

Sadly i only have 1

[ripe hinge]

damn

[visual harness]

I'm not that rich

[ripe hinge]

same

i only got 33 gold coins on my switch and no money

i wish they made it free

or even a demo for ancient gods

that would be nice as hell (no pun intended)

[visual harness]

I thankfully saved my $24 just to buy those 2 dlcs on a sale

[severe oxide]

Someone needs to make an actual doom movie

[visual harness]

Isn't there a doom 3 mov-

[severe oxide]

No

[ripe hinge]

a demo for ancient gods part one atleast that even just lasts like 10 minutes and u cant continue after but u can replay it

[severe oxide]

None with the actual doom slayer

[ripe hinge]

well thats true

but there is one with dwanye the rock johnson

[severe oxide]

And there not good

I mean an actual doom movie with the slayer and atleast some of the demons and maybe the icon

[ripe hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/gore-blood-cell-blood-gif-22873731

[lapis saddle]

Version 6.66 is probably the last noteworthy Eternal update

I wish it weren’t so, but that’s just how it is

[ripe hinge]

but is it the final update for the game?

[azure oriole]

There were two "revisions" that released over a few months but that's it

[ripe hinge]

like last ever update?

[azure oriole]

It seems to be so

[slow sigil]

there where a view minor updates

but those did more bugfixing and stuff

[severe oxide]

Anyone know anything about the milestone things to unlock in both ancient gods dlcs like what I need to do

They just say ?

[azure oriole]

Those are just nightmare milestones yeah?

[severe oxide]

That's one

[ripe hinge]

i need to know if its the last ever update though

[azure oriole]

That's three*

[lapis saddle]

The last ever update has been released

[slow sigil]

last update has been nearing 2 years ago
so yes a new update can come annyyyyy minute now

[ripe hinge]

it isnt definitely?

[slow sigil]

technically no

[ripe hinge]

so there will be more?

[azure oriole]

[slow sigil]

:copium: yes definitely

[ripe hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-snoopy-dance-gif-26520972

[lapis saddle]

Id has already moved on to their next project so there would only be another update if something really wild happened

[ripe hinge]

i love the bot is named vega

[severe oxide]

I wonder what it is

[lapis saddle]

So not impossible, but any more updates are extremely unlikely.

[ripe hinge]

only bug fixes and new mega events?

[azure oriole]

I could see them doing a small update as some sort of promotion for the new title but aside from that there's nothing else

[severe oxide]

Yea

[lapis saddle]

They’ve had the last 4 mega events on loop for about 2 years, so probably just those

[ripe hinge]

so there will be more events?

[azure oriole]

Bro

[lapis saddle]

Reruns yes. But no actually new ones

[severe oxide]

Hm

[ripe hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-mc-conaughey-alright-three-gif-24438202

sorry im using so many gifs lol

[slow sigil]

you should be using this one:

[slow sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[lapis saddle]

In terms of new stuff I think the best bet is through the modding community as they figure out more and more about how the engine works and how to make changes

[ripe hinge]

sad im on nintendo switch

[azure oriole]

What’s ID’s next project anyways

[severe oxide]

[ripe hinge]

prob a new quake or doom game

[severe oxide]

Yea

[ripe hinge]

probably after the next year they should have another doom game up

hopefully atleast

[lapis saddle]

The next Id project hasn’t been technically announced, just that they’re working on it. My guess is a new Doom, but possibly something different. I don’t think Quake is realistic though

[severe oxide]

Maybe remake of classic doom?

[azure oriole]

Wonder where they could take Doom after TAG2

Doomslayer kills hells big bad

Loses his power though

[lapis saddle]

I highly doubt there will be a classic Doom remake. That seems like a very bad idea since the classic games hold up still in part because of what they do differently from the newer games

[azure oriole]

I’d like to see the arch-demons introduced. With Davoth gone there’d be a power vacuum. Perhaps a demon civil war.

So the next game would just be Doomguy tying up loose ends

[severe oxide]

Eh

[lapis saddle]

I remember Hugo Martin saying something about the next Doom being more Lovecraftian, so I’d guess some bigger bad shows up to rebuild Hell, possibly even raise Davoth as an underling

[slow sigil]

What could they rework anyways

[azure oriole]

I’d be down for that

[slow sigil]

The graphics hold up, the gameplay holds up
Doing anything too radical just results in making a new game anyways

[azure oriole]

A more horrifying abstract hell would be great

[slow sigil]

I'd love a fucked up level that is a planet in the midst of being transported to hell

[severe oxide]

Yes

[azure oriole]

Doom 6 might be the Doom 64 of modern doom

[severe oxide]

Eh

[lapis saddle]

My big wish for the next Doom is to have the demons be all mutated like the Doom 64 demons. Imagining stuff like pinkies with tentacles where their eyes should be and demons that are literally 2 other demons Frankensteined together

[severe oxide]

Yea

And idk what for the bosses tho

[azure oriole]

I’m imagining something like Hellraisers Leviathan as the big bad

[severe oxide]

The wraiths

[slow sigil]

Aslong as the demons are cool it's good tbf

[lapis saddle]

What if the big bad were the Black Goat of the Woods (Lovecraft horror and the main antagonist of Quake 1)?

[slow sigil]

Would also rather not have classic demons graphically updated again

[sacred dirge]

Jesus wept

[severe oxide]

I would love if one of the levels was inside of the kraken from the ancient gods

[slow sigil]

Turning around in UACA was a really "what the absolute fuck" moment

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/hellraiser-pinhead-who-explorers-demons-gif-4593770

[sacred dirge]

Next doom games going to be In 6 to 7 Years so no worries

[severe oxide]

Eh

[lapis saddle]

My favorite evil idea for a Doom demon would be to have the upper half of Eternal’s Archevile grafted onto the lower half of a nimbler demon to basically have a Fast Archevile

[azure oriole]

Devious idea

[sacred dirge]

Mother demon magic. Dig it

[latent badger]

ancient gods 1 ||holy fuck the seraphim was really damn hard||

[severe oxide]

They could have 4 bosses

And maybe dig up a more intact version of the doom hunter but kinda marauder ish but more of the hunter part

[slow sigil]

Eh bosses in eternal where quite aeakly excecuted

[latent badger]

and the blood makyrs were super annoying cause i rarely ever use the precision bolt

[sacred dirge]

Bosses in doom*

[slow sigil]

Best ones where doom hunters and the seraphim and the seraphim still fell a vit short

[severe oxide]

Yea

[slow sigil]

Sticky:
Ballista:

[latent badger]

oh

[severe oxide]

Yea

[azure oriole]

Doom 2 icon of sin

[latent badger]

true

[lapis saddle]

In general I really want to see demon designs that play with body horror, especially things where the demon seems to be in pain because of how they’re grafted together.

[latent badger]

revenants be like

[severe oxide]

Eh

[slow sigil]

Screamer concept art 🥺

[azure oriole]

Agreed. I like most of 2016 and Eternals demon designs but I’d like them to tone down the cybernetic, alien look

[latent badger]

but basically my precision bolt aim is shit since i never used it in the maingame and its basically required in the dlc

[sacred dirge]

That won't happen since eternal made probably over a billion by now it would be silly to change the aesthetic or gameplay to drastically

[azure oriole]

I want more biological abomination esk designs

[slow sigil]

Nvm bloaters but still

[slow sigil]

Not really, ballista is a regular weapon which you use just as well

[severe oxide]

What about the hell guardian things from doom 3

[sacred dirge]

They were just worms in mech suits

[latent badger]

i guess, im not really a fan of the precision bolt so i just abuse the hell out of the ballista

[lapis saddle]

The idea of the demons’ being brought back happening in a way grotesque enough to get players to pity them even a little seems extremely cool

[severe oxide]

I said doom 3

[sacred dirge]

If they do that they need to bring back betruger

[slow sigil]

"Abuse"

[sacred dirge]

Which they should

[slow sigil]

But typically you use pb by not zooming in, so a bal lite

[azure oriole]

Wasn’t Betruger/Maledict killed in ROE

[lapis saddle]

Yeah

[latent badger]

wdym? dont you have to zoom in to use pb?

[severe oxide]

Eh

[sacred dirge]

Technically he was just absorbed by the artifact/ heart of hell

Then it was never used so he is technically alive

[slow sigil]

Nope, having the button pressed is enough

The zooming takes what, lil bit less then half a second?

[latent badger]

huh

[lapis saddle]

What if the next Doom had shoggoths as part of the Lovecraft influence?

[haughty parcel]

I think I remember in one of the hugo interviews he said he might slow it down but make combat have an emphasis on destruction but I could be wrong

[latent badger]

didnt know that

[rare trench]

Anyone of yall played the Kaiser campaign?

[sacred dirge]

Shubs the next boss coming

[lapis saddle]

Oh yeah Hugo Martin said something about “Eternal was a racecar: the next Doom will be a monster truck”

[latent badger]

whats that supposed to mean

[severe oxide]

Better

[haughty parcel]

So instead of bouncing off the walls flying like a really angry bumblebee it'll be like a tank or the terminator

[slow sigil]

If you're bouncing on the walls you're doing something wrong tbf

[sacred dirge]

Really had a good time on the multi marauder beam section huh? Noticed you bring it up a few times in different servers today.

[lapis saddle]

Presumably less emphasis on speed and giving weapons and abilities more impact.

[latent badger]

i gotta say i do love eternal's combat on the whole, theres only a few very specific enemies that annoy me (mainly archviles and carcasses)

[lyric isle]

damn
the second secret encounter in taras nabad is somehow hard as hell cause idk how to kill marauder quickly

ima try tomorrow gn

[slow sigil]

Archviles is a bit of a skill issue quite frankly
Carcasses are meant to be annoying

[rare trench]

I'm playing it for the first time ever and I'm still in hell on earth stuck 💀

[haughty parcel]

That was a figure of speech on how hyper eternal combat was i didnt mean literally bouncing off the walls

[lapis saddle]

Archeviles are frustrating but feel amazing to take down

[slow sigil]

Ballista>ssg>bal

[sacred dirge]

What he means is a emphasis more on hitting than speed which is strange because when you get combos down you're melting anyways

[latent badger]

yea ik its a skill issue with the archviles, theyre pretty uncommon so i dont have a ton of experience against them and i usually panic when i see them

[latent badger]

agreed, they also have amazing glory kills that feel so good

[haughty parcel]

archviles have the funniest glory kill expressions

[lapis saddle]

I imagine the monster truck thing probably means less emphasis on quickswap combos for damage

[latent badger]

i love how they legitimately feel fear when you glory kill them, "they only thing they fear is you"

[slow sigil]

It's vague enough you can use it for everything

My biggest hope is better and less boring weaponmods

[sacred dirge]

Stab and stab until it's done I guess

[latent badger]

whereas the tyrants just look at you like the arrogant bastards that they are

[slow sigil]

Idc if quickswaps are good aslong as there are lots of viable options i want to use

[lapis saddle]

Yeah that’s fair

[lyric isle]

Bal?

[slow sigil]

Ballista

[lyric isle]

Oh ok

Ill try tomorrow

[rare trench]

So noone here played the Kaiser campaign? I just got softlocked (I think) but maybe Im supposed to find something but I dont know

[slow sigil]

I'm planning to play it once the last part is out

[rare trench]

I can't get out of Hell on earth rn so no worries about lategame lol

[lapis saddle]

Is giving each gun 2 different mods even a good idea? Given how most people don’t switch often it seems kinda redundant to have 2 for each. That would also add room for them to have less overlap

[latent badger]

i kinda wish the mods were more different tbh

cause i only really ever use one mod per weapon

[rare trench]

kaiser teaches you to swap mods thats what I just learned

the vanilla campaign really kinda doesnt

[latent badger]

stickies, micro missles, micro beam (dlc), lock on, arbalest, minigun shield

[slow sigil]

They don't switch often because there is no need for it
Create need and make them usable and make it faster and people will swap

In eternal the only weaponmods that really compete are arbalest and heatblast

[latent badger]

true, if you halved the switch time i think people would switch a lot more

[sacred dirge]

You don't have to swap by the way. I've done slow play un and nightmare runs several times. Just makes runs more sluggish is all

[slow sigil]

Heatblast because plasma just sucks in general so it doesnt matter and arbelest is barely decent for pos PEs but dblade just barely is better in every way

[rare trench]

maybe next game is just gonna have more clever weapons so the slayer will just push a button and the mod will switch

(that's what would justify being the mod swapping faster imo)

[slow sigil]

Full auto, micro missiles, and mobile turret all suffer from the fact that they are boring "shoot faster" guns whose only purpose is dps.... yet they suck at it

[latent badger]

i like micro missles

[slow sigil]

Rem det just does less damage then normal rockets and ID thought that the fair competition would be something that literally does 3x damage

[slow sigil]

You can like mm, but that doesnt make them better

[latent badger]

ik

[lapis saddle]

I have started playing with the rule that I don’t do any masteries whatsoever and it makes the game feel better to play imo.

[latent badger]

damn

once i got ssg mastery i wondered how i ever played the game before then

[lapis saddle]

To be clear, I mean that any point upgrades for mods are off the table, not just the final upgrade

[slow sigil]

For pb upgrades do nothing anyways lmao

[vagrant estuary]

I honestly want to know what the demons smell like in doom

[lapis saddle]

Bonk

[sacred dirge]

Sulfur

[rare trench]

so none of yall has gotten stuck in the middle arena on hell on earth on kaiser?

[sacred dirge]

No

[latent badger]

sulfur, burning flesh, smoke, etc probably

rotting flesh

in other words, completely terrible

heres another question

which demon would kill you the fastest, say it teleports like 30 ft in front of you to start

[sacred dirge]

Imp

[trim escarp]

Archvile?

[lapis saddle]

Whichever one is the quickest draw. So probably imp

[sacred dirge]

2016 imp could fuck up a terminators day

[latent badger]

imps? they dont seem that fast

[slow sigil]

Lol none

[lapis saddle]

I’m assuming they mean IRL

[haughty parcel]

if youre good enough at the game you can just choreograph your fights and swap mods mid combat to make it flashy

[slow sigil]

Impscan literally make fireballsyou'd burn

[sacred dirge]

You go into map imp placements they have crazy fast projectile launch speeds

[slow sigil]

Yeah, so none
Unless we count zombies

[latent badger]

oh i should clarify, i meant in real life

[sacred dirge]

They just miss more in eternal

[slow sigil]

Literally noone here could win over an imp

[haughty parcel]

in 2016 imps were pretty much the most deadly demon in the game from beginning to end

[latent badger]

really? how?

[lapis saddle]

They do very high damage on higher difficulty levels

[haughty parcel]

because they are everywhere and they are very hard hitting

[latent badger]

i thought 2016 was considered easy

[haughty parcel]

every other demon is a pushover

but imps can just snipe you randomly and they really hurt

[lapis saddle]

I still consider cybermancs more troublesome due to making damaging floors

[latent badger]

damn

[sacred dirge]

It's alot easier than eternal until you decide to do nightmare

[haughty parcel]

well on nightmare they hurt anyway

[latent badger]

is nightmare the permadeath difficulty

[haughty parcel]

thats ultra nightmare

[sacred dirge]

That's un

[latent badger]

oh

[lapis saddle]

The runes and weapon masteries in 2016 are broken. UV is decently challenging without those

[haughty parcel]

once you get your weapons and stuff though then it becomes easier to deal with everything

but still dont underestimate the imp they can still shred all your armor with just a fireball

[latent badger]

2016 sounds kinda boring cause you dont get ammo from chainsaw right? and theres no flame belch?

[haughty parcel]

the chainsaw does give you ammo

but ammo can be found all over the maps so using the chainsaw was more for emergencies which was rare or to specifically get rid of a troublesome demon

[lapis saddle]

The chainsaw doesn’t regen fuel though so you have to use it more sparingly. You still get enough ammo that you can keep from running out as long as you’re decently careful

[latent badger]

oh

[slow sigil]

Chainsaw is more boring then 2016 giving ammo if at full armour

[haughty parcel]

Ammo is never a worry

I like to max health and armor first and thats like pretty far into the game before I start upgrading armor

and i pretty much never worry about ammo ever

[sacred dirge]

You've triggered my trap card

[haughty parcel]

Theres a rune that gives you armor on glory kills

But you dont get it till a youre further into the game

[lapis saddle]

I have found that with the rules I self impose (no runes, no upgrading mods, no optional argent cells) that ammo management does become somewhat necessary

[candid drift]

I glitched out of the map twice in super gore nest

[lapis saddle]

What’s funnier is that the game almost feels like it was designed to be played without those things

[slow sigil]

Ammo either needs to be more in depth or removed as a mechanic

[haughty parcel]

Even though 2016 isn't as tightly tuned as eternal I still love and appreciate the game because it just really needed to come out and make a statement on the fps industry

No more running and hiding
you fight or die

[lapis saddle]

Ammo management is kind of a core part of Doom. I’m not the biggest fan of how it works in Eternal but mostly because being able to resupply whenever undermines exploration and means a gun being ammo inefficient doesn’t matter enough

[haughty parcel]

Something about getting hit by a fireball and dropping to 1hp but instead of hiding and regening your hp or whatever you rush forward even more aggressively and sap the life back

[slow sigil]

I'd rather have a reload button then boringly holding W in hallways to a box with ammo on the ground

[haughty parcel]

I mean the classic doom games were like that

[lapis saddle]

The thing is, if the level is designed properly, you don’t get to run away for ammo. What you enter the fight with is all you have. If you’re low on shells, then you just don’t get to use the shotgun much this fight

[haughty parcel]

you just find secrets and get weapons and ammo and try to use your weapons tactically while thinking of the next encounter

[slow sigil]

So you're forced to hold W in hallways to get ammo, sounds worse
Enter an arena accidentally without ammo? You're fucked with nothing you can do

[lapis saddle]

Yeah because it means you can’t afford to be wasteful

[slow sigil]

So what's the alternative, doing nothing at all?

[haughty parcel]

the chainsaw still gives ammo in 2016 so youre not always running around looking for ammo in the middle of an arena

[slow sigil]

Or just have an infinte ammo weapon that's just even more boring

[lapis saddle]

You have to actually plan around how to kill enemies as efficiently as possible.

[slow sigil]

You're already incentiviced to do that cause then they will be around less meaning less time to damage you

[lapis saddle]

That can mean infighting, that can mean using your melee on pinkies, etc
Imo this type of thing is different because a weapon burning through ammo quickly for higher damage becomes an interesting risk/reward

[slow sigil]

And why not make it so that gaining ammo via your basekit is harder? Then you still can't be wasteful cause it means you still wont have access to your ammo

[lapis saddle]

I consider the first 2 Doom games to have more depth than Eternal in large part because you don’t control when you get ammo or what you get so you have to improvise.

[slow sigil]

Or tbf an "end of the arena" reward where you just gain ammo instead of having to fall asleep doing nothing inbetween but holding W
Cause if they're toning down parkour that's kinda all there is

[slow sigil]

Infighting is quite literally standing still doing nothing except making lines

[haughty parcel]

Wait you can get them to infight in 2016?

[slow sigil]

"Hmm yes i certainly do love standing still and letting the enemy play my game, exciting gameplay"

[lapis saddle]

You still have to dodge and position yourself

[haughty parcel]

I mean I've seen them infight before but I've never caused them to infight

[lapis saddle]

Then you just kill the guys who aren’t infighting

[azure oriole]

Infighting is fun sometimes

[slow sigil]

So you play half or less of the game

[lapis saddle]

2016 demons will infight sometimes

[slow sigil]

Eternal enemies also kinda infight but they luckily dont damage eachother

[lapis saddle]

Yeah Eternal’s enemies feel way more artificial because of that imo

[slow sigil]

I like the consistancy, otherwise enemy hp is practically randomized and there is nothing analytical about it

[haughty parcel]

Setpiece

[slow sigil]

Sometimes they will die in 2 ballista shots, other times in 3

[haughty parcel]

Uhh

[lapis saddle]

I don’t want the game reminding me that it’s a video game that way. My main reason to value infighting is that it feels like you’re outsmarting the demons instead of just Leeroy Jenkinsing through them.

[azure oriole]

Also it’s just cool seeing different demons fighting each other

[lapis saddle]

That too

[azure oriole]

That’s why stuff like Halo AI battles have their appeal

[haughty parcel]

It's like the demons are fighting a war and then you show up and all of a sudden all the demons are panicking and turn towards you

It's like walking into a rowdy saloon and then everyone turns silent

[slow sigil]

Theres always youtube or netflix if you want to watch something instead of playing something

[lapis saddle]

Also it feels dumb if you can just beat the hordes of hell through sheer brute force instead of having to rely on outwitting them

[slow sigil]

Or those more interactive movie games

[azure oriole]

Terrible take I’m gonna be honest

Accidentally or intentionally provoking demons into fighting each other and seeing the results of that in game is fun.

[lapis saddle]

I get the impression that you haven’t played classic Doom based on these takes.

[slow sigil]

Doesnt mean i can't want something else then it

[haughty parcel]

listen when you sprint into a room full of barons and a cyberdemon sometimes its more efficient to let the cyberdemon help out a little

[slow sigil]

Well yeah but at best alongside you yourself

Having it be the only thing is just doing literally nothing

[azure oriole]

You know you can just kill the demons yourself if you don’t want to bother right

[slow sigil]

Well yeah but you can't combo anymore because demonshave randomised hp that way

So who knows if it will die in 3 or 4 pb shots

[lapis saddle]

It’s fine to not want more classic Doom but you seem to fundamentally not understand what makes the early games work that Eternal and to a less extent 2016 lost out on

I still maintain that quickswap combos are really dumb and terrible

[strange gale]

i prefer doom eternal having a consistent difficulty instead of tyrants randomly being at half health or letting me ignore the CC mechanic entirely because "le infight le intelligent gameplay"

[slow sigil]

I did play the OG games somewhat but they also arent completely my thing

[lapis saddle]

They’re not randomly at half health. They’re at half health because you did a thing that got them to fight each other

[strange gale]

you get what i mean, makes the game inconsistently way easier for very little effort

[slow sigil]

No they are at half health because somewhere randomly they scraped a projectile
Or behind 5 walls they got damaged without you ever being able to know

[haughty parcel]

its not inconsistent though

a vast majority of doom 1 and 2 you fight the demons yourself

[lapis saddle]

The enemies in classic Doom don’t attack each other automatically, just as a response to friendly fire

[haughty parcel]

theres only like a few encounters that are set up for you to cause an infight and only if you wanted to

[lapis saddle]

Yeah infighting isn’t a core part of Classic Doom but it has a really valuable impact on how the game feels

[slow sigil]

So unless you explitically want to, demons NEVER damage eachother without you trying to?

[haughty parcel]

like the cyberdemon baron room

[azure oriole]

Doom 2 especially sets up a lot of infighting if you want to do that but it’s optional

Cyber demon vs barons and Cyberdemon vs Spider Mastermind

[lapis saddle]

Accidental infighting happens at times, but way less often than the weapon wheel in modern Doom misreading my input for no apparent reason.

[haughty parcel]

I still don't understand this argument

I mean infighting is cool and if you don't wanna infight then just don't do it and the whole thing about oh this demon died in 5 balista shots instead of 6 or whatever is just a really strange arguement

[slow sigil]

Weaponwheel is mostly made for console cause otherwise there would be button issues prob
And then it's probably more the joystick misreading ig

[haughty parcel]

Oh this imp died in 1 shotgun hit instead of 2 the game is horrible and i demand the arvhvile resurrect it right now so i may resolve this inconvenience

[slow sigil]

It is like having imps do a random amount between 20-150 damage per fireball

[lapis saddle]

I genuinely can’t understand how “this thing isn’t the exact same difficulty every time” is a complaint

[slow sigil]

Inconsistency, you can't map out anything

[haughty parcel]

oh the shotgun spread was slightly off and only 78% of the pellets hit

Oh the horror I wish this game was csgo so everything was constant

[slow sigil]

The difference is you see the spread on your crosshair

[lapis saddle]

You shouldn’t be able to map out everything. That means you aren’t making decisions in the moment because you made them all in advance

[slow sigil]

But infighting is less exciting gameplay purely just so that you can have easier fights at the cost of having absolutely no idea what anything does

[azure oriole]

Nerd chat

[strange gale]

the game becomes easier with no downside other than speedrunning being a little more annoying

[haughty parcel]

You say purely but it isn't purely it's incidental

[lapis saddle]

That makes no sense. It’s a consistent mechanic that acts predictably if you learn what it does, same as any other mechanic

[haughty parcel]

It's not metal gear where every single guard as a set route and rotation and you exactly how to manipulate them to do whatever

[slow sigil]

I dont thinl incidentally fits there

[haughty parcel]

It's doom just shoot it til it dies

who cares if it dies one hit less one hit more

[slow sigil]

You dont choose when the demon shoots

[lapis saddle]

Sure, but you shouldn’t get to choose that

[slow sigil]

Well if that is your point you dont care about this argument cause if all you care about is shooty shooty haha either side will suffice

[slow sigil]

Didn't say you should

[sacred dirge]

Well it effectives your movement and target acquisition for one ? In a faster paced game that's very important

[lapis saddle]

Things you can’t perfectly predict and control are (up to a point) actively good for gameplay because they force players to improvise and adapt to the unforeseen. Enemies occasionally turning on each other because they accidentally hit each other both creates a surprise for you to respond to and helps make the demons feel like actual creatures instead of laser tag props

[sacred dirge]

Infighting is still apart of movement and planning. Classic doom perfected that. And most doom players know how to exploit it

[strange gale]

if anything it should make the game unpredictably harder, this is literally just "you can get away with things you wouldn't normally, but you won't know when"

[slow sigil]

I'm sorry but what do you respond to to demons stop playing the game with you and start playing amongst themselves?

[lapis saddle]

You just got an opportunity to move or attack without getting fired on for a moment.

[azure oriole]

[strange gale]

and i don't like that

[azure oriole]

Infighting is neat.

[slow sigil]

There is no real reaction from that though... if anything it's the lack of one

[strange gale]

keep the nerd reaction there, do you not believe in your own opinions?

[sacred dirge]

So much actually but new doom doesn't know how to do it

[azure oriole]

Infighting wouldn't fit modern Doom.

[sacred dirge]

Not at all

[lapis saddle]

My main reason for wanting real infighting is because enemies being able to damage you but not each other is insanely immersion breaking. When the Doom 2 demons feel more like living creatures than the Eternal demons, there’s a serious gamefeel problem

[azure oriole]

I want it back because it’s cool and awesome

[sacred dirge]

Infighting doesn't fit the movement and mechanics of new doom because you're melting an arena on your own in 1 minute anyways

Its that simple

[slow sigil]

I mean during combat you're barely immersed anyways and the heat of the battle is the only thing keeping you in it

[azure oriole]

You can’t experience childlike wonder if a cyberdemon fighting barons of hell doesn’t sound rad to you

[lapis saddle]

I’d say that Doom at its best feels like a good action movie. Stuff like enemies being unable to hurt each other for no discernible reason instantly ruins that feeling

[slow sigil]

I only really felt immersed in DUSK during the highly athmospheric parts
Good god the wendigo intro

[lapis saddle]

The wendigo intro was fantastic

[slow sigil]

||the panic when i tried shooting the void and suddenly it just appeared was scary af||

But like, if seeing a random projectile connect with a random demon throws you out of your gameplayloop because you know it now won't kill itself because of it is just idk kinda strange anyways

[remote kraken]

Who let the demon in?

[merry gazelle]

Infighting is important for pacifist runs

[azure oriole]

I think infighting being more likely between certain demon types would be great for immersive world building as well. Like Barons and Hell Knights having a rivalry so they more commonly fight each other.

[lapis saddle]

Doom 2016 actually does something like that

I don’t remember details, but I do remember that all the demons are quick to turn on the UAC zombies

[slow sigil]

And the pistol is important for pistol only runs

[lapis saddle]

I wouldn’t mind friendly fire not doing damage nearly as much if the game at least tried to pretend it did something by having that demon falter or something.

[slow sigil]

I'm ok with that

Also don't they in eternal hit the gore system?

[lapis saddle]

I don’t think so. I could be wrong though

[merry gazelle]

It's always been one of my favorite parts of Doom

[lapis saddle]

Something unrelated I would like to see in a future Doom is some efforts to make big fights feel somewhat intimidating. Not in the Doom 3 sense so much as you step into a room, see 3 tyrants, and feel the genuine sensation of “oh shit” because of how quickly this can go wrong

Doom 2 manages that surprisingly well

[severe oxide]

Doom 3 hell guardians

[azure oriole]

Seeing a baron of hell in doom 1 & 2 suddenly appear does jumpscare me lol

Genuine oh shit moment

Same goes for archviles but tenfold

[lapis saddle]

Same. One of my favorite moments in any Doom is in Doom 2 where you go up a lift and just see some 30 guys standing there, including the game’s (and by extension the series’) first chaingunners

[merry gazelle]

It's always funny to open a door, and hear the powering up sound of an archvile

[lapis saddle]

Funny is an interesting word to use. I’d call it anxiety inducing

Especially when it sounds like it’s coming from a room where a big fight happened earlier

For anyone wondering what that looks like, imagine fighting a possessed Archevile who spawns demons passively instead of as an attack

[sacred dirge]

Cool thing about doom lore is nothing fights archies because they are high born

[lapis saddle]

I always assumed it was because they’re the ones reviving people

[sacred dirge]

No they are nobility

[azure oriole]

Yeah Archviles are only below Baalgar demons and arch-demons in the hell hierarchy iirc

[lapis saddle]

I’m pretty sure what I said was the original reasoning though

[azure oriole]

Yeah probably

[merry gazelle]

It's hilarious to see Archviles kill an enemy, revive them, and kill them again

[lapis saddle]

Kinda like how their original death sound is a distortion of a kid asking “why?!” Because they couldn’t fathom why someone would want to kill them for helping their fellow demon

[azure oriole]

Lol that’s funny

[young mango]

Welp fulla auto is done for

[azure oriole]

i think personally Doom's combat is too fast to rlly feel immersed in terms of Enemy behavior ig considering 75% of it is just them rushing me or firing a projectile

Im immersed with the environments because it was BEFORE/AFTER combat. But realistically a player won't appreciate whats around them if they are in the combat flow at a specific intensity

[jolly kernel]

for some reason, it seems like I almost always get hit by the Whiplash's argent energy wave attack no matter what I do

[tropic oxide]

I know I can customize the weapon wheel but is it possible to change the weapon order via scroll wheel? I want to sort them by ammo type.

[merry gazelle]

Anyone messed with Infinite Enemies?

[faint heart]

hello i'm new here and i've been playing doom eternal at nightmare difficulty, i just bought the 2 other dlcs, how hard are they?

[toxic marlin]

Supposedly they’re harder

[faint heart]

like the first one is harder and the second one is way more harder?

just like escalating?

[toxic marlin]

Idk watched a few videos

They have more demons iirc

[faint heart]

oh nice, more pain

[unique ice]

someone play doom

[turbid jetty]

Ancient Gods Part 1 is the harder than the base game but Part 2 is easier than part 1 and possibly easier than the base game

[faint heart]

oh ok so if i play at nightmare, is like ultra-nightmare? for example

[turbid jetty]

there's no difference between Nightmare and Ultra Nightmare in terms of difficulty

Ultra Nightmare is just Nightmare but you only have 1 life

so if you die it's game over completely

[faint heart]

yeah i know that

[turbid jetty]

if your question is is part 1 nightmare harder than base game ultra nightmare, then no

[faint heart]

i tried a while ago, but nah, is not for me ultra nightmare, not for the "skill issue" thing, but i keep falling or flying (somehow) out of the map

[turbid jetty]

it's not really fair to compare nightmare and ultra nightmare though

because as I said they're the same thing just ultra nightmare has 1 life only

[faint heart]

oh yeah i know i know, i asked if is harder ancient gods like way more hard

[faint heart]

yeah, i hate it

[azure oriole]

if u have a hard time not dying then ya

if u play Nightmare without dying. its not a different experience

also no 1ups

[faint heart]

oh yeah question, when i will start the first part, will i still have all my weapons or not?

[turbid jetty]

you have all weapons and upgrades from the start

[faint heart]

i don't die by the demons, but they yeet me away from the other part of the map somehow and i die

[turbid jetty]

regardless of your progress in the basegame

[faint heart]

ohhh ok, thanks🤝

[azure oriole]

I personally dont enjoy playing base campaign on UN cause ur progressing through the game and u just wanna be powerful and have a smooth experience ig

but ofc encounterd arnt balancr around that

Why id actually just be fine if UN was like a master level version of the base campaign with all my weapons and stats

[faint heart]

yeah

[faint heart]

that would be fun honestly

[azure oriole]

Its a painful experience in the beginning not dashing

[faint heart]

at the start you're like a potato, that's it

but can you expliain me why and how i get yeeted by the demons?

i was playing before, and a revenant yeeted me out of the map

[azure oriole]

Ur ass isnt thicc enough to increase the gravitational pull

Doom guy is insecure

[faint heart]

but when i go near palnts, they explode

[azure oriole]

I have never experienced this so idk

[faint heart]

ohhh my poor boy

[jaunty vapor]

Which level?

[faint heart]

uhhh, the 3rd one, where you meet the "traitor"

[jaunty vapor]

Exultia is the 2nd level.

[faint heart]

yes, i was doing a re-run for a missing challenge, and then that happened

[jaunty vapor]

Hmm.. was gonna say if it was Atlantica it'd probably be a rail boost, but not sure what it'd be on Exultia.

[faint heart]

i was on a base surface, sooo...i have no clue

[faint heart]

like no rail boosts or anything else

[weary jay]

anybody got any ideas how to prevent getting stuck at some sections in immora for TAG2?

[trim spade]

Anyone wanna play battle mode

I just need 1 dude

For trophies

[blazing linden]

yo anyone knows why when launching my doom eternal at pc it crashes at bethesda logo

i saw in the task manager that the GPU use spikes from 10-20% then it spikes to 100% and it crashes

i have a 3080 btw

[stone imp]

What
https://imgur.com/a/1xbeuM3

[icy ice]

My brain feels like mush after beating a possessed gladiator

[lyric isle]

i did it
i beat marauder in the 2nd secret encounter

time to get the crucible

[azure oriole]

wait what

the gladiator can be possessed?

[dull herald]

modded

[azure oriole]

damn

i wish i could mod my ps5

[vagrant estuary]

Does anybody even know how the dual lock on works? I swear I always forget about it

In doom eternal

[dull herald]

uhh after locking onto one demon you can lock onto another before firing

though it takes forever to lock onto the second one and its usually not worth it 🤭

[strange gale]

might be the worst mastery out of both nudooms

[azure oriole]

what in hell is a nudoom

[vagrant estuary]

I'm gonna be honest the heavy cannons design in eternal looks so fucking ugly

[azure oriole]

not that bad

[strange gale]

short for The Rebooted Doom Franchise, but that doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well

[azure oriole]

redoom

[lyric isle]

the crucible is so good
i love it
i also got the unmakyr too

im redoing missions to get the final sentinel batteries and suit points

quick question
can i use cheats to be able to complete challenges & find secrets?

[slow sigil]

yes except the slayer gates

[lyric isle]

k thanks

so either you cant destroy the cannon arms of a cyber mancubus or im a dumbass and idk how to do it

[lyric lodge]

i mean idk but i tried to once and it didnt exactly seem to work

maybe its just my skill issue

[slow sigil]

Cyber mancubi arent regular mancubi

[strange gale]

nah, you can't

[hard cliff]

so.. just bp?

[lyric lodge]

and ssg

[hard cliff]

okay

[lyric isle]

oh ok

at what point do i find normal mancubi in mars core?

[dull herald]

at the beginning

like the fourth enemy you see

wait im thinking of the master level oops

[manic bison]

The first mancubus is a cybermancubus on the outside

Normal mancubus i think before you take the bfg

[lyric isle]

k

[gloomy trench]

I found base campaign to be worse when dying, having to restart from hell on earth if you die

TAG 1 and 2 you have everything mastered already (except the extra 3 runes) and have a lot less missions in each one

I would rather die in TAG UN runs than base game UN runs

[slow sigil]

Technically ultranightmare is just has hard as regular nightnare

You're just punished to a tedious degree if you fail too hard to die

[lapis saddle]

I think that having classic mode from the master levels be applied to the campaign would have been a much more interesting ultimate challenge.

[azure oriole]

cant

[azure oriole]

guys what is the hardest instance in vanilla ?

i always thought it was the last round in horde mode but i could be worng

[pseudo flower]

Twin possesed murauder on immora

[azure oriole]

i completely forgot that was a thing

[slow sigil]

that's not a thing though?

there are screachers around but there are no possesed double marauders

[pseudo flower]

The doomslayer is davoth’s equal yet, treats the doomslayer like acts he’s much more dangerous to him

Instead of coming out in a regular armor suit he comes out in char’s whole gundam, instead of being on the frontlines with his legions, he falls back.

And despite the father telling us he will fight to the end, he very clearly gives up after the slayer destroyed a piece of his armor. (Like seriously compare davoth’s final stand to noble 6’s final stand. It’s abundantly clear that davoth gave up)

It doesn’t sound like davoth was very confident in his fight against the slayer… almost like he’s expecting to lose.

[azure oriole]

that must be why i forgot it existed, because it didnt

[slow sigil]

can't he be cautious?
time constraints
he seemed exhausted so yeah

[fiery cloud]

just finished the dark lord bossfight and goddamn this fight sucked

[lyric lodge]

Quite a popular opinion and it's making me just not excited to actually play it

[fiery cloud]

i mean, the other levels are pretty nice overall but this bossfight was just bad imo. It was like a marauder but you it's eyes light green even less and it heals

[slow sigil]

you arent obliged to tbf

[fiery cloud]

i hated samur but just because i suck, it was designed pretty good but the dark lord was just super annoying and stupid

[slow sigil]

and even if you do want to it's just a lil sideshow

[lyric lodge]

Yeah ik it seemingly being just a long marauder fight doesn't exactly intrigue me

[slow sigil]

i dont think it really intrigues anyone who plays eternal for the gameplay

[fiery cloud]

for the endboss they should've made it more exciting with more action and ripping and tearing. I wonder what they thought when they just created a bigger marauder

[lyric lodge]

Precisely what I hear a lot. Might be excited to get my ass kicked at samur tbh

[lyric lodge]

Heard there were time restraints

[slow sigil]

time constraints

[fiery cloud]

yeah well okay that's unlucky

[lyric lodge]

We lost fr

[slow sigil]

tag1 was lightly rushed, tag2 had 30% less time

[lyric lodge]

No wonder tag1 is more well received

[fiery cloud]

but i'd say if they can't make it in time they should tell the fans and not rush it, as rushing never helped in the video game industry but it probably wasn't id's choice, it's bethesda prolly

[fiery cloud]

i liked the overall level design less than tag2, tag1 was just a lot of pain plattforming and a lot of other stuff i didn't like

[lyric lodge]

I think tag1 was considered better because of its difficulty

[fiery cloud]

yea it was definitely harder, but some arenas were just painful

[azure oriole]

Davoth isn't Doomguy's equal anymore - byt the time TAG2 happens, Davoth has lost his powers and is effectively as strong as a human.

It's why he needs the mech. He's compensating.

[slow sigil]

i already explained davoth to them - they wont listen

[static dust]

Hi, does anyone know how to fix this error?
failed to allocate video memory
total allocated: 4157.770 mib tried to allocate: 50331648 b (48.000 mib)

[hoary hound]

big file maybe

[random vault]

#tech-talk

[blissful moth]

Hi. Why the Doom eternal campaign need download separately from the main game on PS5?

[azure oriole]

It's basically a key that gives you access to the campaign, it's not the entire thing. It's like this for the DLC as well.

[blissful moth]

Odd, because on PC you don't need that

[azure oriole]

Wheird

[blissful moth]

You play on PS4?

[sour olive]

i just got the cool sword thing how far through the game am i

[pseudo flower]

That is a possibility

[void pendant]

Я просто обожаю дум он хороший

[limber canopy]

About 3/4 through

[sour olive]

oh wow

its only been 3 days 😭

i like this game ima buy the other versions

[limber canopy]

A playthrough is usually 7-10 hours long

[pseudo flower]

The last time he had a physical form he was beaten by someone who was weaker then him

[limber canopy]

Its never really mentioned if the father is weaker or stronger than him