doom-eternal

[green iris]

you can kill people with the crucible sometimes if you want

[jolly kernel]

that’s the thing. this game causes me to panic/become stressed, something I never usually have in shooter games

[acoustic lark]

You will get used to it once the muscle memory kicks in

[jolly kernel]

btw, I beat the game yesterday

[acoustic lark]

Good job! How was it? :)

[jolly kernel]

it was good. aside from the occasional things that happened to me, I’d say this is now my favourite Doom game, an opinion I previously had in regards to 2016

[acoustic lark]

That awesome!

[jolly kernel]

I liked about everything in this game. the art style, graphics, content, the campaign’s length, the secrets and especially the combat, even though I’m not really good at it

[misty ridge]

Farm extra lives as more as you can and you should be fine on any difficulty

By the way, can you get gold slayer if you complete extra live ultra nightmare?

[acoustic lark]

All that matters is that YOU had FUN, not how good or bad u are :D

[jolly kernel]

yep

[spice saddle]

Hey can anyone help me i need doom Slayer or davod pfp and banner

[jolly kernel]

this is the most fun I ever had in a recent fps game since Serious Sam Siberian Mayhem

[misty ridge]

Just never try to find all collectibles and you’ll have only good memories about this game

[jolly kernel]

it’s amazing how Serious Sam 4 and Doom Eternal, great games that are a part of amazing franchises, came out in the same year

[acoustic lark]

For me Serious Sam First and Second Encounter are the last SS games that i enjoyed.
Maybe SS2, but 3 and the latest ones just feel weird. Especially with guns that you can aim down sight.

But thats maybe because the first SS games were my childhood hehe

[jolly kernel]

First Encounter and Second Encounter are absolute classics, yeah, but SS2 and SS4 are also good

[acoustic lark]

Thats weird as fuck.

[jolly kernel]

if you didn’t liked SS3, you should give SS4 a chance. It fixes most of the problems the former game had. annoying enemies were either rebalanced or removed, the gunplay is better, there’s more location, enemy and weapon variety etc

[acoustic lark]

I will once i get my RTX3060
My old GPU was way to weak, even for 60FPS >.>

But i will give it another go!

[jolly kernel]

btw, we should move to #general

[acoustic lark]

oh yeah haha

[still monolith]

is there a way to run a benchmark?

is there an in-game benchmark i mean

[jolly kernel]

which makes me wonder, how can I keep myself calm during big fights?

[misty ridge]

It’s more psychological topic not the doom one, so it, apparently, has psychological solution that is not related to the game

[buoyant helm]

Know your enemy, your arena and your gear. Everyone dies at least once in the game. Take each death as a chance to start the fight from scratch and learn what you did wrong and come up with a strategy.

[jolly kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lvkqXXlCH8

[jolly kernel]

what do you guys think of this gameplay?

[olive shore]

Pretty good, if your on too young to die or hurt me plenty in this gameplay you could easily move up one difficulty

[jolly kernel]

it's hurt me plenty, yes

[pearl mesa]

Basically my strategy is rip and tear the entire arena and hope a zombie is nearby to chainsaw their ass and continue my rampage

[vast bronze]

[slow pilot]

What is the hardest thing ever done in Doom Eternal's history?

[sacred dirge]

👁️

[slow sigil]

coding the game i bet

[honest gulch]

so an ideas?

[green stone]

What happened to the crucible after main game?

[sacred dirge]

Stays in the sin

[green stone]

Didn’t slayer take off the hilt tho?

[slow sigil]

same what happened right after you took it out of the dreadnought on sentinel prime

[azure oriole]

Does anyone know why I keep walking so slow? It’s like I’m stuck but not lagging

Even if I turn my system on and off a couple times it happens after a couple minutes

[buoyant helm]

Annnd I can't beat The Holt slayer gate

[olive shore]

Doom eternal in a nutshell

[buoyant helm]

It's like I take a week's break and I'm super trash again

WOOOOOOO I'm uninstalling.

[slow sigil]

Bit of an overreaction innit

Especially, those are optional aswell

[crimson mesa]

It's a doozy

[slow pilot]

holy fuck i play like shit today

cant even do normal SGN without dying 💀

and i have a maxxed account

and the only reason why i played normal SGN was beacuse once again my account reseted

i fucking hate it, it happens beacuse sometimes my synchronization (XSX stuff) takes too long

and it basically resets all of my stuff other than horde progress, saves (even tho it locks master levels i unlocked earlier and i have to replay those levels) and cosmetics

anything else like UI color, doom lvl and other stuff is as if i opened the game for the first time

[signal spear]

skill issue

[slow pilot]

i dont think that i have to express how unbelivabely mad im am when it happens

[slow pilot]

ikr man, it's just aint my day today

[signal spear]

im beat all campaign + master levels on UN

im in depression

I want to play the game, but it's not fun like a year ago

the music doesn't beat either

no adrenaline

after the unreclaimed earth and saleem blood swamps - the game became dead for me. I have achieved everything

the challenges are over

i need new doom

fuck 2016

i cant beat UN 2016, coz he broken

miss point blank

crash games with a bug on decreasing hp

and etc

in the eternal it does not interfere much

[slow pilot]

i've nearly beaten SGN on nightmare but my game crashed

[signal spear]

if you don't get surrounded, you can't die

[slow pilot]

was soo salty about that

[signal spear]

i die on rip and tear lvl

coz I didn't know about the special boss attack

[slow pilot]

crashed in that toxic floor double marauder room

[jolly kernel]

for some reason, stabbing the eyes of demons feels awesome and funny, but eye injuries otherwise feel horrifying

[signal spear]

how many times I did not pass it - this attack was not

[signal spear]

did you like broke eye cacodemon or pain elemental?

[jolly kernel]

yes

[signal spear]

its fun

[slow pilot]

the pain elemental one is funny

he does this ":O" face after you stab him

[slow sigil]

More like ○O

[proven swift]

More like 32g/mol

[azure oriole]

luckily im trash at doom eternal so i think ive got a couple hundred hours still before the game becomes stale

[sacred dirge]

They updated the game and gave everyone xp and now the games broken and shit. Just kill everything in 2 shots and you're a tank

[jolly kernel]

is it possible to constantly stunlock a Marauder with the super shotgun and ballista?

stunlocking with those weapons to the point that he doesn't get the chance to attack you

[slow sigil]

Probably

[flint flame]

So with the ballista you’re probably looking for foot ballista. Otherwise stun him once and shoot him in the back to keep him stunned

[strange gale]

https://youtu.be/rUqdmzJBFIM

you can take the opening (ssg-bal-ssg) and just do that after each foot ballista

[young mango]

Lol what that got patched out like, forever ago

You can’t shoot him in the back to stun lock him

But ballista feet always works

[slow sigil]

I think you are refering to the ice bomb trick, shooting somehow past his shield does still work

[sacred dirge]

It does

That wasn't patched at all

No idea why they would

[wispy rain]

I JUST GIT THE UNMAYKR TODAY!

Next week during my tax return I'm buying Doom Ancient gods part 1

[jolly kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7oI4YnItU

2 of these seconds are a glory kill, doesn't really count

[jolly kernel]

lmao, it took me the same amount of seconds to kill the Marauder

[young mango]

I think my fastest marauder kill time is like 4 seconds

[jolly kernel]

holy shit

[young mango]

Wtf you’re able to slob on switch?

[jolly kernel]

what was the tactic you used to kill him THAT quick?

[young mango]

I did the little trick where you lock rockets unto him, point them in the opposite direction, and before they hit him I shoot a ballista, because his shield is already held up for the rockets, and because ballista is hitscan, he can’t dodge it, then after that I just launch a frag grenade and do another lock on

Wat

[jolly kernel]

I decided to use the frag grenades more

[young mango]

Slob stands for “sylar lock on burst” it’s a tech he discovered that by shooting the heavy cannon fire, then shooting a rocket, and then doing lock on, it starts way quicker, and fires quicker

You can do as many as you want

But my main tactic is just stunning him with ballista

[jolly kernel]

if you freeze a tyrant, throw 2 frag grenades to him, then ssg + pb + ballista combo him, how much seconds it probably would take to kill him?

[jaunty vapor]

Funnily enough even before ice bomb trick, there was a thing where you could just SSG a Marauder in the back and it would automatically get stunned. I think 1.1 changed it so they would 180 block all shots, but Ice Bomb trick was still in so 🤷

But before Ice Bomb trick you'd see people just ssg stun them once, then shoot them while getting behind them so they'd keep getting stunned. Was hilarious

[jaunty vapor]

The damage values for enemies is pinned in this channel. You can see how much damage weapons do and from there you can math out the theoretical Time To Kill

But for people who don't want to go looking,
Frostbite perk adds 1.25x damage
Frag does 80 direct damage + 630 splash
SSG "does more damage to Tyrants per pellet" but the damage per SHOT of SSG is capped at 1600... Frostbite does NOT increase the damage cap, so SSG can only do 1600 per shot to Tyrants
PB does 400 (500 on headshot)
Ballista does 800 direction + 60 splash, headshot of Ballista deals 1000 direct.

oh and Tyrants have 10000 health, forgot that part lol

[random vault]

1+1=2

[jaunty vapor]

So if you're specifically doing "SSG -> PB -> Ballista"... and lets assume all headshots with pb/ballista...

2 frags, both hitting the Tyrant, deal 710 * 2 = 1420 * 1.25 = 1775

• SSG = 1600 + 1775 = 3375
• PB (500 * 1.25 = 625) = 4000
• Ballista (1060 * 1.25 = 1325) = 5325
  at this point Frostbite proooobably wears off
• SSG = 6925
• PB = 7425
• Ballista = 8485
• SSG = 10085

So however long it takes to do "ssg -> pb -> ballista -> ssg -> pb -> ballista -> ssg" is how long it would take to kill a Tyrant, @jolly kernel

just make sure you also do the ice bomb + 2 frags blah blah blah

that said that's also probably not a fast way of killing the Tyrant anyways lol

[pearl mesa]

@jolly kernel damn I am so glad I joined this discord. All of the content and fam like you on here talking about all of this cool ass shit makes me want to play more and test it out myself lol

[random vault]

❌

[jolly kernel]

which level has the earliest appearance of a Tyrant btw?

Final Sin?

[pearl mesa]

I think it's Super Gores Nest

[flint flame]

Yeah you can practice on the sgn ml tyrant

Just gotta deal with the arachnotrons and don’t trigger the barons spawning

[jaunty vapor]

If you meant the earliest you can encounter a Tyrant in a specific level, it would be Nekravol 1

If you mean earliest you can encounter a Tyrant in the campaign, it would be Super Gore Nest via the Birthday easter egg

[jolly kernel]

the former

[jaunty vapor]

Or as @azure oriole said, console commands lol

[jolly kernel]

lmao

[jaunty vapor]

Ugh spamming my ass...

The earliest one would actually be World Spear master level.

One jumps up immediately after you take like 2 steps.

[pearl mesa]

What do you guys think about ZeroMasters gameplay?

[flint flame]

People hype him up too much

[jaunty vapor]

ZM is fine. He's good at the game but he's nowhere near the best.

[pearl mesa]

Wow, really? Who would you say is the best? Because I've seen him play and it's pretty cool

[jaunty vapor]

The only time he was running 100% UN was when there was no competition, and as soon as Xiae beat his record by like 20 minutes he stopped running

For a long time I said Bowsr was the best. Even with very low specs, he was super competitive for both NMG runs and was VERY good at doing ACE (All Combat Encounters).

Nowadays, I'd probably put it at MuteD6. Consistently good at pretty much every category, save for maybe Any%? But I think that's mostly down to him practicing so much more of NMG/Hundo

ZM is weird where he's good, but he doesn't know most of the high end tech (which you don't NEED to but it helps), and a lot of his videos he'll put in the description "Yeah this was a completion but I didn't use XYZ because I just don't want to" like he's trying to make excuses or something. Always feels like he's trying looking ahead at people who get better times or something.

[pearl mesa]

What kind of high end tech do you mean?

[jaunty vapor]

Well even just basic knowledge of stuff like PB-Rocket being faster than other swaps, stuff like SLOBS, Double Dblade, punch swaps, BATS, etc.

Even back in the day when he was running, before we knew everything, he was sort of just "running the game" without really doing any routing.

The only reason he really had UN records was because he did runs. Maybe one or two routes that other people figured out

I say "the only reason", he was still good obviously. But again, Xiae's FIRST record for UN Hundo beat his by like 20 minutes, which is an INSANE margin

[pearl mesa]

Damn I don't even know what slobs double dblade punch swaps BATS?!?!? LMFAO 😂 and there's more shit damn I want to learn this!!!!

[jaunty vapor]

SLOBS = Sylar Lock On Burst. Basically you do Precision Bolt - Rocket - Lockon, and the lock on itself happens faster, fires faster, and a few other weird quirks

Double Dblade is as simple as it sounds, you can fire 2 Dblades in quick succession.
Punch Swaps are also simple, you basically shoot -> punch -> equip the weapon you JUST shot -> shoot and it fires faster than normal
BATS is a very obscure thing, but basically it allows you to punch swap Ballista faster than normal

Note that a lot of the tech is marginally useful for a casual player. But for speedrunners, it obviously matters and such, blah blah.

BATS in particular is pretty much useless to be quite honest XD

Here's Mute's video about double Dblade (and other double shots but Dblade is just the most useful)

https://youtu.be/tkmzij-F858

Very interesting and neat. Kinda weird how it works though lol, but what isn't in this game

Have you used deez?

[sacred dirge]

Every time you use the eye emote you need to pay me 3 dollars in royalties

Who is Candace

[jaunty vapor]

https://youtu.be/rOY2Zg78_YA

lol

Check the description otherwise it'll make no sense lol

Yeah. You can bind a long string of console commands to one button

so for instance a lot of people have 1 button that does
"give health; give ammo; give crucible;" or whatever else

and that's just 1 button. So for this he does
"button to load Final Sin"

then

"button to get checkpoint after icon death, wait some amount of time, reload checkpoint"

So in fairness you're right, it was 2 buttons not 1. Ah well

Fake record if only it was 1 button, it'd be a real record

[wary badger]

Dblade is op when used right

I like the faltering when its fully charge

[sacred dirge]

I really like the guns when they shoot

[jaunty vapor]

lol i wish

[young mango]

Play doom eternal standing up

You know something that would be brutal? Doom eternal everything ultra nightmare

From hell on earth, to both TAGs, and all the master levels, and you can’t die a single time

[jolly kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAcRszRaDZA

when I first played the game, in the beginning part of nekravol 1, I had some trouble doing it effectively, but now I do it very easily

[young mango]

How many hours do you have

[jolly kernel]

23

I still do mess things up while practising sometimes but it's not as bad as it was before

when I do mess up, it's often something stupid, like not fully paying attention and thus pressing the wrong button

[young mango]

I was pretty bored and this made me wanna do my own tyrant combo, one of my favorite things to do when I don’t feel like playing a full level

[midnight sparrow]

Imagine a god run but for every single Doom game

Starting from Classic Doom up to The Ancient Gods 2 you take damage once you gotta go back to Classic Doom from the start

[young mango]

Only person I know who’s even remotely capable of that would be zero master, usually it’s one or the other, you’re either great at classic doom, or good at modern doom, hard to have both

[midnight sparrow]

It’s daunting. I know a guy did a god run of every FromSoft game. He ran through Dark Souls 1, Dark Souls 2, Bloodborne, and Dark Souls 3 without taking damage in one run

I don’t think Demon Souls Remake or Sekiro where out yet

Elden Ring definitely wasn’t out

[young mango]

Yea but the thing is classic doom and modern doom are so foreign in contrast too each other that it’s quite literally impossible

Also if you’re talking about like no damage, it STOPS at classic doom, cuz hitscan exists

[midnight sparrow]

True. It’s possible to avoid hitscan if you move on the enemies last possible frame. It would be insanely difficult. Even if someone did it TAS which still might be impossible

[twilit solar]

What campaign mode do any of you suggest for beginners

[slow sigil]

how experienced are you with FPS in general?

[twilit solar]

I did the battlemode tutorial does that count?

[alpine plaza]

if you are experienced do hurt me plenty

[twilit solar]

My experience in them is.... I wouldn't say good but decent

[alpine plaza]

so do you consider yourself decent at fps games?

[slow pilot]

I FINALLY DID SGN MASTER LVL ON NIGHTMARE

[slow sigil]

Hurt me plenty then, if it gets too much you can always tone it down to i'm too young to die to be more fitting

[slow pilot]

LETS FUCKING GO

[alpine plaza]

impressive

i tried it once but ragequit mid level

[slow pilot]

the second half is easier, the only dangerous areas are 2 last ones - double marauder with toxic floor room and last arena

but you can cheeze the marauders with sticky bombs on floor

[azure oriole]

zero master could do that in his sleep

[slow pilot]

will take you some time but in the end its safer

[alpine plaza]

ahh i never thought of that

[slow pilot]

i dont really like chainsawing and glory killing beacuse im always not sure where the marauders are at.

but if i have to i do it.

feel free to disagree ofc

[viral slate]

Anyone know why the slayer key dosen't show up even though I don't have cheats on?

[slow pilot]

SGN ML on nightmare is def my hardest achievment yet. it was tough and sometimes frustrating, but in the end it was worth it, my skills as a slayer increased cuz of it

[merry haven]

Ultra Nightmare

Very accessible

[slow pilot]

That's true, helps to kickstart your gameplay rather quickly

some sections might be hard but eh

but i still feel like a noob, even tho i know ML SGN on nightmare is kinda impressive

but i'll have to do it on ultra-nightmare to prove myself

which aint that unrealistic tbh

but the last arena will be deadly

[sacred dirge]

[slow sigil]

4 bfg charges, 3 crucibles

[slow pilot]

i always use those 2 on 5 cyber manc's arena and the toxic arena (the one with 2 caco's and doom hunter, i kill them and then i wait for other monsters to spawn and use it on them)

[slow sigil]

You only need 1 bfg in that arena, and you get a bff back right after

Stand in the acid near the flamebars, all the way back, and shoot a bfg across after killing 1 dreadknight manually

[slow pilot]

Huh

[slow sigil]

You know when you walk in the arena, to the left in the acid are these flaming chains right

Where you need to go past for double tyrant room

[slow pilot]

i know what u're talkinf about

im just kinda suprised

[azure forum]

SGN ML isn't that bad honesty. If you use the super weapons correctly, you can easily clear that level in UN. If you don't use super weapons, then yeah, the last arena definitely needs practice.

[glass cedar]

hello

[broken forum]

How do you get the can’t perfect perfection milestone

It’s one sentinel crystal and something else

[young mango]

Basically you’re only allowed one praetor upgrade, although you can collect as many as you want

And if you’re like most people, your best odds would be putting that into the hot swap upgrade

[broken forum]

Oh ok

I already messed up then

I’m only at mission 3 tho

I thought you could only use one praetor token

[sterile surge]

Hey guys

[vivid cliff]

I'm the farthest I've ever gotten in UN and I'm afraid to do the slayer gates

[strange gale]

then don't

[broken forum]

Is punch resetting hard

Or do you just punch after you shoot

[young mango]

What level

[young mango]

You mean punch swapping? Like firing the same gun multiple times consecutively?

[broken forum]

Yeah

[young mango]

It’s not mind bogglingly hard to get the hang of but it’s easier said than done

But if you’re planning on punch swapping rockets or sticky bombs fire a precision bolt first and quickly switch into the other weapon at the same rate you would in normal quick switching, the rocket would work like every other weapon, punch, than press the key that the weapon is dedicated to. But for sticky bombs you don’t do that, you just punch inbetween each shot, the timing is kinda strict tho

[vivid cliff]

beat doom hunter base. not too far but my best

[young mango]

Oh dude you’re most definitely set for the rest of the campaign if you play your cards right, the first time I beat cultist base on UN was also my first winning UN run, so I believe that you got this

[vivid cliff]

im mostly worried about gladiator and urdak

[young mango]

Well urdak isn’t really that bad

But yes worry about the gladiator, and the buff totem room in super gore nest

[vivid cliff]

i usually mess up one specific part in urdak

that secret encounter with the whiplash pinky and doom hunter

[young mango]

Just don’t do it then

Be as careful as you can

100% ultra nightmare is really just for bragging rights, it’s not practical because your save file gets deleted once you beat it anyways

[vivid cliff]

yeah i gotta plan my weapon points out. and search which of those slayer gates has all the prowlers for lock on burst

[strange gale]

the hardest part of 100% UN is the fucking gk challenges

the worst ones are at/near the END of the run

[broken forum]

What’s gk

[strange gale]

glory kill

[broken forum]

Oh yeah

[steady meadow]

Yo guys

Lets say I didnt turn on an automap in a mission

Does it count as a collectible or is that fine

[solar solstice]

not even funny how long i was stuck on the cultist base puzzle on my first blind playthrough

[steady meadow]

So does it

Or does it not

[broken forum]

No

[jaunty vapor]

Only time you need to grab Automap is in Doom Hunter Base for the mission challenge.

[steady meadow]

Oh okay

Thx for the info

[timid ledge]

If a bloodpuch can kill 6 demons

Then can a bloodpuch refill itself

[strange gale]

it sure can

[young mango]

What puzzle

[flint flame]

Ice bomb+ flame belch on a group of demons= instant recharge

[knotty agate]

I mean cultist base does have alot of puzzles but I don't think they are so hard that you can get stuck there

But I can see someone getting stuck on the "disrespect the Aggadon hunter's corpse" puzzle

[timid ledge]

Ok thank you

[unborn sorrel]

all my eternal data is gone, it’s time to grind once again but this time I have tag 1 and 2 :)

[delicate vessel]

why do you know everything about doom eternal

[jaunty vapor]

A lot of people know a lot of stuff about Doom Eternal

[azure oriole]

You're in the doom discord server, you're going to find people who know everything about doom!

[strange gale]

🤯

[young mango]

It’s not exactly bottom of the iceberg when it comes to advice, that stuff is displayed in the literal tutorial everytime you start a new save file

[delicate vessel]

I didn't do the tutorial, or I didnt pay attention to it

[young mango]

Maybe you haven’t played in a while, because that change came with TAG2

[delicate vessel]

when did that come out?

[young mango]

Exactly one year after doom eternals release date, they wanted to reach the anniversary deadline

So like March 19th 2021

[tepid bear]

Ba

[tepid bear]

rip and tear!!!!!!!!

[strange gale]

yeah so about that, you're a bozo

[jolly kernel]

this game has THE worst Arch-Vile version in the entire series

[strange gale]

idk man

[delicate vessel]

nah, doom 2 has the worst

[strange gale]

classic arch has hitscan and a comedically low pain chance on its side

[delicate vessel]

I dont like pixel games much imo

[strange gale]

faltering is entirely predictable in this game (pretending id spaghetti doesn't get in the way of that) while the same mechanic is controlled by rng in the old games

no way modern arch is worse

[jolly kernel]

the Icon Of Sin boss fight is probably one of the best boss fights in a fps game

you are fighting a gigantic, skyscraper-sized goat demon that fights like a platformer boss while normal enemies attack you from all sides, not to mention the amazing scenery

[carmine sail]

how to get mullet slayer?

[delicate vessel]

I do love that, but I liked the other bosses where you were about to move around as the boss chases you. I think that would've made the icon of son fight x100 better. imagine jumping across buildings as a skyscraper sized demon chases you

[jolly kernel]

the only fights where I lost quite a few lives are the Gladiator and the Icon Of Sin ones

then again, I played the game on Hurt Me Plenty

[carmine sail]

how do i get mullet slayer?

[carmine sail]

how

[delicate vessel]

I played on I'm too young to die, dont judge me😭

[jolly kernel]

it doesn't matter, having fun while playing the game is the important thing

[carmine sail]

@full tinsel how do i get mullet slayer?

[delicate vessel]

true. I'm trying to get better tho

I struggle the most on pinkys on nightmare

[acoustic lark]

https://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/1626002/

[carmine sail]

it costs

i thought it would be free

damn it

welp

lemme get my card rq

[acoustic lark]

never was free in the first place

[carmine sail]

okay

i played doom eternal ultra nightmare mode on nintendo switch😎

[nocturne lynx]

Well… it’s not the worst in the world. I wouldn’t say it’s particularly great though.

[jolly kernel]

do you guys consider this a quick kill?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAWbRvDJBg

yes, I know you can just freeze a Cyber-Mancubus, blood punch then kill him with a super shotgun, just tried to use the frag grenades with the weapons

[deep holly]

Does anyone know when the next mega event is out.

[acoustic lark]

The theme song for everyone running Sentinel Armor
Enjoy fam

just had to share this, sry

[strange gale]

[jolly kernel]

it sure would feel weird to go back to Doom 2016 after playing this game

compared to this game, 2016 has a baby level of difficulty

Doom Eternal players going back to 2016 and using quick swaps in that game as well:

[slow sigil]

2016 Nm is harder because there is no instakill protection

But there is also the fact that 2016 is designer around UV, and eternal is made around NM

[jolly kernel]

how useful is destroying the weak points of enemies that have them?

like the Arachnotron's laser tail and the Mancubus' arm cannon

[slow sigil]

It falters them so quite

[strange gale]

...because of vaguely bullshit balancing for like the first 3 or 4 levels, then it becomes baby easy

i must remind you of this https://youtu.be/edEeyKbNrVc

it's not because of intentional design, they just didn't have the foresight to make the hotswapper upgrade a little less good

[jolly kernel]

I wish the custom demon skins for battlemode were also usable in singleplayer

fighting Doot Revenants in the campaign would be amazing

[azure oriole]

omg yess i wish that was the case i have so many demon skins but i don't play multiplayer

[twilit quail]

[dusk parrot]

need more Doom pls

still holding out hope they will surprise drop an official Team Deathmatch mode

[acoustic lark]

on todays episode:
Commands that freeze your entire PC

something that made my PC freeze while it calculated it

its like dividing 0:0

[jolly kernel]

horde mode is brutal ngl

[acoustic lark]

FOV goes brrrrrr

whut

[jolly kernel]

I had to take out super heavies like Doom Hunters and Tyrants with only the normal shotgun and ballista, and I’m so used to using the ballista with pb and the super shotgun that I couldn’t do good combos

whoops not Marauder

[acoustic lark]

what does it do?

[jolly kernel]

I’m surprised my hands didn’t get shaky and my eyes didn’t got hurt during horde mode lol

[acoustic lark]

îm scared

[acoustic lark]

hehe hey look, my i has a little hat, thats cute

[jolly kernel]

in regards to my eyes, it almost looks like a few frames get skipped when that happens to me

when you first tried horde mode, how difficult was it for you?

[acoustic lark]

i was doing it on too young to die first, to see what it has, then i was doing nightmare

[jolly kernel]

there were times where enemies cornered me and I took tons of damage

[acoustic lark]

thats the correct screenshot*

[jolly kernel]

other than that, I found it to be very manageable

[olive shore]

The parkour was surprisingly easy

[acoustic lark]

Almost a year since i last played eternal, im so rusty

[acoustic lark]

i wish they would have done more with the yeethook thingys

[jolly kernel]

fighting 2 Tyrants with the shotgun, chaingun and ballista. very fun

[acoustic lark]

such a miss in the base campaign

[olive shore]

Yeah I loved going 80 mph

But when there are no meathook points the fodders become the meathook points

[acoustic lark]

lmao true

[light pasture]

Doom eternal's bunny hops are so fun to hit

Espically in battlemode as mancubus or mauarader

[acoustic lark]

ikr, super satisfying

[light pasture]

Yes,

When I'm playing Mancubi ik my big a$$ isn't getting anywhere

Oh alr didn't wanna risk it

[acoustic lark]

Cockblock as mancubus and let the marauder have fun

ez

[light pasture]

I hate playing maurader sometimes

I either get targeted or I can't hit my axes

I mostly play aggressive in bm,

[acoustic lark]

whats BM meta atm?

and dont say slayer pls

[light pasture]

Honestly slayer,

[acoustic lark]

[light pasture]

💀 but I completed un everything so..., BUT manc and dread combo, ez win same w rev and meatball

Eh, the matchmaking for bm is so yoked yu never know if ur getting a 8 star slayer or a level 1

[olive shore]

AYYY I JUST BEAT TAG2 ON NIGHTMARE WOOO YEAHHH BABY THATS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THATS WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT WOOOO

[acoustic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/hadeel928-يوسف-العماري-موسى-الخنيزي-gif-26535277

but good job :p

[past cliff]

Hell knight

What's the one drmon that flies with the cannons I can for the life of me remember it's name, but they're meta

[acoustic lark]

Revenant?

[past cliff]

Yeah

If you're a good player any demon is good but those two are pretty meta

[acoustic lark]

The biggest problem, imo, is the fact that with randoms, the lack of communication makes it very hard to win

[light pasture]

I just need 40 more archville matches to finish my triumphs, ( I hate archy )

[azure oriole]

Archvile top tier (real)

[acoustic lark]

I love ||killing|| archviles

[light pasture]

They have no aggressive playstyle it's just defend defend defend and run

[unkempt mango]

I finished the campaign 2 days ago and I want to get into battlemode

[light pasture]

It's fun

[unkempt mango]

I really like dread knight and archvile

[acoustic lark]

You either love it or hate it xD

[unkempt mango]

The other demons feel way too slow for me and I hate flying characters

[azure oriole]

Not entirely true, with the right setup you can ruin a slayers day with the flame wall and lake of fire

[acoustic lark]

but that also depends on the map, some are really good archi maps

[unkempt mango]

Is dread knight good

[azure oriole]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738425322432888862/931946321529679962/3623f57c-c2d6-41d5-85ac-f730e3353993_1.mp4

This was the move that made the slayer cry

[unkempt mango]

What's that skin

[azure oriole]

Kaiju, it's from the slayers club

[flint flame]

It’s probably close to pain dread at the moment, I can’t speak on tenemode as I haven’t tried it yet

[flint flame]

Revenant is like the worst in vanilla

[past cliff]

Fr?

[flint flame]

He dies to hit scan far away

[past cliff]

I've found it to be pretty good imo

[unkempt mango]

Oh nice, I recently joined it and zombie is a really good Slayer skin

[flint flame]

You can get the occasional delete on the slayer

With barrage + tox box

[past cliff]

Yeah

Mostly relys on other hits from heavy demons

[unkempt mango]

Tox box lake of fire 🔥

[flint flame]

Ehhhh, I’m still of the opinion that you shouldn’t use summons like at all

[unkempt mango]

Is baron of hell worth it

[flint flame]

Since in a pinch the slayer can just flame belch a bunch of heavies and get all his armor back

And also they act as meathook points that give the slayer a way to escape pushes

[light pasture]

I'm gunna do SGN un rn I'll lyk how it goes

[flint flame]

No. Despite its meme use in Friday night fights, it is not

[unkempt mango]

What's the best final buff then

For dread knight

[past cliff]

Slayers I've played against just blast on repeat and chainsaw/glory for the damage boost

[unreal pivot]

I think I'm done with Eternal on Nightmare for my first playthrough
Beat like 8/9 of the levels on it but it's so tedious
IDK why Nightmare in 2016 felt like such a breeze in comparison

[flint flame]

Team heal or demonic onslaught if you’re confident in your own ability to kill

[acoustic lark]

strange, its the complete opposite for me

[unreal pivot]

Really? How so?

[acoustic lark]

The speed and movement is waaaay more satisfying which also makes it easier to dodge and handle enemies imo

[unreal pivot]

There have been many Encounters in Eternal I get stuck on and have to play for way longer than I expect, but very for for me in 2016 were like that

[acoustic lark]

Yeethook, ballista boost, dash and double jump, if feels like being off the hook

Dont get me wrong, i still love 2016, but eternal just clicked for me

[unreal pivot]

That is true, but for some reason I find avoiding attacks in Eternal much harder
In 2016 I felt like as long as I kept moving and avoided the big enemies properly I would not get hit, but in Eternal it feels like I have to put my entire focus on moving as rapidly as possible to even stand a chance sometimes
And a lot of times I feel like I just get blindsided or just blocked from moving by enemies and that never happened in Eternal

I like Eternal's combat more too, just Nightmare for me feels a lot more frustrating

Maybe Eternal just has a higher skill floor bc it has more tools you have to take advantage of to succeed
IDK why I haven't adapted to that after 8 levels though smh

[azure oriole]

i do want enemies that are more calculated and take cover or run away when in danger than just swarming u

[unkempt mango]

That is something I noticed, enemies block you a lot more than in 2016

[unreal pivot]

Yeah, and I still don't really know why that is
IDK if it's just because they have enhanced movement that's supposed to get up with Slayer's new movement tools or what

[azure oriole]

its cause most of the enemie’s ai is to run straight at you

they dont give you space.

[unreal pivot]

That might be it
I think in 2016 they have more self preservation and try to stay out of your range while shooting you still
Especially imps

[azure oriole]

Compare this to ai in other games.

-Half life Marines will often take cover and peek to shoot
-Halo enemies will run away when their leaders are killed
-Quake is somewhat the same where enemies with ranged weapons will stand back to fire their weapons

In Doom the only enemies that try to maintain distance are Imps cause they need to throw their fireballs. everyone else is either Slow or incredibly fast like hellknights/barons

Ig it matches the Demon’s purpose as they are supposed to swarm you without preservation of their own bodies

[unreal pivot]

Yeah they would in universe

Are you supposed to end up with an extra battery in this game?

Also got a lot of empty album poster spaces even though it says I collected all the collectibles in a trophy

[acoustic lark]

multiple extra batteries

[unreal pivot]

Well now im confused lol

Are there more after it tells you that it ur final chance to use the Doom Fortress? Thats where I am

[last haven]

why are memes not allowed?

[eager storm]

I hope this helps you to understand why we limit memes so heavily in this community.

1. We want people to be here for DOOM and not for memes

In the past we had a population of users here which only wanted to throw some random memes into a specific channel. The health of the server suffered greatly from that and that's why we went so strict about it. Be here because you love DOOM and everything that comes with it and make sure there is some context if you post memes.

2. No oversight evolves into bigotry

Despite the fact that we have mods from multiple time zones to ensure this place is safe and enjoyable for everyone, there may be cases when we are not looking at the chat. If left unattended, the memes being posted will start to turn hateful, and it may take a few minutes for the moderation team to react.
We actively work to prevent this from happening.

3. Out of context memes kill conversations

This is by far something a lot of people have been bummed with. Since we got so many channels to pipeline discussions with like-minded people it could turn into a whole other mess if people just post random memes or other forms of content that can derail a whole conversation.

[last haven]

oh makes a lot of sense

im actually somewhat invested in doom since i played a lot of '93

Also im new to doom 2016

[azure oriole]

W

[acoustic lark]

to be fair there are billions of servers where u can post your favorite memes
But 99% of doom memes aren't even funny
Its been years, the last time a doom meme made me laugh

[last haven]

can i dm you?

[azure oriole]

Hello

[acoustic lark]

I respectfully decline

[last haven]

unfunny

y'know what you're right doom memes are unfunny

[azure oriole]

Haven't played the first, so no.

[last haven]

i like how the doom community is probably the first community ive seen take action on its unfunny casuals

[unreal pivot]

Remove the word Doom for me there

[acoustic lark]

u got a point there chief

[last haven]

breaking bad fans

[azure oriole]

If I do decide to play it I'd probably play the OG first. But I'm saving money as-is.

[last haven]

fastest way to kill summoners without chainsaw?

[acoustic lark]

summoners?

u mean archvile?

[azure oriole]

He means Summoners from 2016

[last haven]

yeah

[azure oriole]

Lock-on rockets, plus Glory Kill

[acoustic lark]

oh was just puzzled since we are in #doom-eternal xD

[last haven]

oh shit

2016 chat is dead

[acoustic lark]

i actually havent played it yet, i thought i did, but i noticed today its completely untouched

[unreal pivot]

Where is the BFG Division poster in the Fortress

[jolly kernel]

I found an easy way of constantly stunlocking the Marauder

[sonic pilot]

Are any of the master levels bugged for anyone? Super Gore Nest and Arc Complex just to name a few? Keep getting stuck because a certain enemy wont break through a wall to let me progress.

[unkempt mango]

What is the best setup for dread knight in bm

[jolly kernel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rUqdmzJBFIM

this guy was hated by a lot of people for being “annoying and unbalanced” and yet people manage to kill him very easily

[acoustic lark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc84ghP3_FI

[jolly kernel]

also, I noticed that the circling stars effect and sound that happen when you damage him aren’t present in the early versions

[acoustic lark]

yea, and i hate it. why is there no toggle to turn this clown mode off...

[jolly kernel]

the amount of bass in the Marauder’s voice is really big

[full tinsel]

imagine summoners summoning your morning coffee

[unreal pivot]

He clearly is not an enemy that most people learn to overcome intuitively though
I don't want Doom to be like Elden Ring were you have to look up how to do everything, that's what I play fighting games for

[acoustic lark]

i summon into your morning coffee

[jolly kernel]

how do some people manage to load and fire burst-fire seeking rockets quickly?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bq4AU3CeO3U

at 11:15

[crimson mesa]

It never happened to me in SGN but I know the part you're referring to in Arc Complex. It happens at that same spot in the base campaign as well, I usually just restart the checkpoint

[light pasture]

Alr bare w me here

U should be able to do slayer v slayer in battlemode

[flint flame]

Nah

[light pasture]

Y

True

Ur so nerfed in bm it's crazy they should make a ltm where ur end game slayer and the demons are buffed

Or maybe have settings for custom

[slow sigil]

you can't quickswitch faster then the game allows though

like the animations to swap, that's kinda the limit so that's barely an issue

[light pasture]

I mean, I can hit a nasty balissta, ssg, sniper bolt, rpg on the right bloke if they stand still long enf

[slow sigil]

well yeah but you're gonna be barely faster then someone else trying that

[light pasture]

Yeah true

I kinda like being slow tho adds challenge

Alr here's the real kicker

How tf. Do those 8 star slayers destroy me I seconds. And vet their shield back instantly, and it's like round 1 or 2

[acoustic lark]

Some straight up just use cheats...

[light pasture]

I'm on xbox doee

[acoustic lark]

welp

git gut then xD

[light pasture]

They're js too good

Yea frl

[acoustic lark]

You can output a shitton of damage as an experienced player

a disgusting amount of damage

[errant geyser]

I use Xbox but it is possible

[light pasture]

Oh yea easily, I play slayer alot and I js destroy kids w sniper shot and rpg ballista

Ballista OP

[cedar girder]

No wonder they kept nerfing the slayer in Battlemode

[errant geyser]

I prefer demon

[light pasture]

U have such a sick pfp

[acoustic lark]

Also, those modded controllers that run macros become more and more popular. Which is sad, bad and should be banned instantly.
You can basically quickswap 100% efficient through ur whole arsenal while holding down one button.
The controller does the rest

[light pasture]

I dont, I get useless randoms trying to just grind matches for triumphs it sucks

[errant geyser]

Yeah

[light pasture]

I usally play w mu friend but he js told me yesterday he dosent like bm anymore

[acoustic lark]

i can totally understand why

[errant geyser]

I don't ever

[cedar girder]

Same for modern mice, like Razer, Corsair etc, you can make macros there too

[light pasture]

At least play man if u lose u still get the number

[errant geyser]

I prefer campaign

[acoustic lark]

before they introduced stars, a friend of mine am me, we played a lot of BM
We both were level 250... it took ages to find a match with that level back at launch

[light pasture]

I wanna get better at quickswapping on pc I'm horrible at it I got one of those little keyboards for 1 hand ima try it today

Not quickswapping weapon switching

[acoustic lark]

enable unlimited ammo cheat and train your muscle memory

[errant geyser]

Controller is op

[light pasture]

This I will use, also no target command too

[cedar girder]

Custom keybinds help extremely lot

[errant geyser]

Just press one button and it swaps

On Xboxes

[acoustic lark]

just stand still and try to get into the rythm, once you feel comfortable go into a fight and slowly but steady pick up the pace
One day you will become one with it

And trust me, it is INSANELY fun

[errant geyser]

Weapon swap with ballista and super shotgun is op

[acoustic lark]

SSG > Ballista > Precision Bolt > Rocket > repeat

[light pasture]

I just can't fathom doing all that whilst hitting aswd its tm for me and space

Only got 2 hands 😭

[cedar girder]

Same as us, use the mouse if you have more buttons.

I use Z for Plasma gun
X for Chaingun
Mouse3/wheel for rocket
Mouse5 for SSG
And the rest by default

[acoustic lark]

Also keybinds, i have:
Q = SSG
E = Ballista
Mouse Wheel Down (Dont ask xD) = Precision Bolt
R = Rocket

[cedar girder]

finished UN 2 times

[errant geyser]

I think that super meatballs/pain elimentals give me pain

[cedar girder]

Precision bolt > Ballista 2x times helps a lot

and i think hitting it in the eye helps

[errant geyser]

Probably

I only play battle mode because I have beat the campaign

Cuz I'm bored

[acoustic lark]

Im seriously thinking about reaching 666hrs and never start it again

[cedar girder]

I haven't played in a while

[light pasture]

I git like 20hrs

[errant geyser]

How do you get the pain elimental toy I have trouble

[acoustic lark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGr-fcr-Ogw

[light pasture]

Nvm 66 hours

[errant geyser]

Thanks

[light pasture]

Use the slow time rune

[errant geyser]

Ok 👌

[acoustic lark]

I just align myself, equip the slow time rune, fall down, aim downside with the shotgun and dash
Makes it a lot easier not to miss

[cedar girder]

I should have 1000 hours in this game, but because i got the collectors edition, the play time didn't show in the Bethesda launcher.

The code for the game only worked for bethesda launcher... now recently transferred to Steam and i barely have 80 hours

[twilit zodiac]

Yo guys, is ancient gods worth it? I completed the campaign and battle mode doesn’t want to work properly so I’m seeing for some alternatives

[errant geyser]

That's my last toy

[cedar girder]

Damn right its worth it!

[vague torrent]

so there isnt any way to do slayer v slayer in eternal huh

[acoustic lark]

tho i hate both TAG1 and TAG2 end fights...

just pain in the butt

[cedar girder]

why?

[twilit zodiac]

Thx, ima buy 1st part and prob 2nd part as well

[cedar girder]

TAG1 gave me PTSD tho

But now i enjoy it the most, it was so difficult

[acoustic lark]

The TAG1 bossfight is just annoying and TAG2 bossfight is just a marauder on meth

The rest of the DLC is pure fun, but the bossfights i highly dislike

[azure oriole]

Davoth's fight is fine. I don't care for Samur's

[vague torrent]

whats tag?

[cedar girder]

The Ancient Gods

[acoustic lark]

its boring, just the same mechanic over a couple phases

[vague torrent]

ohh ok thanks

still doing part 1 in the makyr level

[azure oriole]

Eh, it's not the most well-designed thing in the world but the atmosphere and tone is fucking top-notch, and the fight is serviceable enough.

Samur's fight sucks. Too much fighting shitty Possessed Demons, not enough actual boss fight.

[acoustic lark]

Im sure they could have come up with something better. But... pandemic fucked literally everyone

[cedar girder]

Well, i dont know for you guys but DOOM meant so much for me that i even have the mark of the slayer sigil tattoo and cosplayed it

maybe im stuck on this game, forever xD

[light pasture]

Tag 1 UN hurts

[carmine sail]

when new doom game?

[acoustic lark]

only because of samur tbh

[light pasture]

4 years prolly seems to be the trend

[misty ridge]

DOOM Eternal meant so much for me that I even bought it🧐

[acoustic lark]

I can answer that: ||When it's done||

[cedar girder]

I really liked the Marauder mechanic first time i saw it, i regret seeing it before the game launched because i was amazed and it should have been in game. But yeah, they could have gone with something else for Davoth

[light pasture]

I wanna get a doom tattoo but I'm only 19, not really wanting it that early and look bad when I'm 60

[acoustic lark]

the only problem i have with the marauder is:
You can not force him to open up. Even if you creep up to him to make him open up.
There should be some kind of mechanic to initiate a constant opening

[cedar girder]

i bought DOOM 2016 and Doom Eternal for all platforms lmao

[midnight sparrow]

Never

[cedar girder]

Why? The guy is an elite, a black belt. I dont think that would make it better

[acoustic lark]

After 500hrs in the game, i just find it annoying to wait for a demon to do a specific thing before i can kill it in 2 seconds...

[misty ridge]

Man, the game franchise is amazing and extremely fun, BUT I really don’t recommend you to connect the whole life with a video game

[azure oriole]

Because the problem is that you have to take a defensive position with him and this goes against Eternal's combat loop, which encourages you to be on the offensive always, and rewards you for doing this with resources.

[cedar girder]

You gotta understand the fact that not many people use quickswitching like us, ofc we can kill him in 2 seconds with that DPS, but average people do.

[misty ridge]

Anyway, I’m a random dude from internet, do what you wish

[cedar girder]

Best marauder for you would be the one with Spirit before nerfs

[azure oriole]

The Marauder kind of contradicts Eternal's gameplay loop. He's the only enemy where you are outright forced to stand still and wait - even other "waiting" enemies, like Blood Maykrs and Armored Barons, encourage you to dance around them while you wait for the chance to land a weakpoint shot and kill them.

[light pasture]

Exactly

[acoustic lark]

At least the unmaykr or a charged destroyer blade should stagger him through the shield. Just gimme something to work with instead of waiting

[light pasture]

I think my 2 helmets and tons of art work is good enf imo

[azure oriole]

But with Marauder you are literally encouraged to stand still, let him approach you and only attack when he flashes green. You can't be proactive.

It's especially silly when this only works sometimes, because he'll sometimes shield demon attacks and send wolves after you even when you do what the game asks. Silly

[acoustic lark]

that makes me even more mad, he gets infight damage and sends his dog .-.

[cedar girder]

Hugo addressed this thing about the Marauder, he said something like this being a chess game. Ofc you have to rethink your strategy to kill him.

I understand you guys' point of view but having an actual powerhouse on the arena makes it an amazing change of pace

[misty ridge]

I absolutely love the game, but at the end it’s just an entertainment and you really shouldn’t spend your life just worshipping it

[acoustic lark]

its not even a powerhouse when he literally dies faster than a cyberdemon (sry... tyrant)

[misty ridge]

I think I’m in the wrong chat, lmao

[cedar girder]

Yeah so in the meantime, you can clear the arena and leave it to 1v1

[midnight sparrow]

His AI is jank as shit

[cedar girder]

I understand, still, we gotta take in consideration the fact that there is small percentage of people that play DOOM this well

[jolly kernel]

I wonder if this is a bug or intended xd

[azure oriole]

Except he still harasses the shit out of you while you're doing this. It's boring and annoying. Either you have to 1v1 him in the middle of a bunch of demons, where they'll trigger the dog and kick your ass while you engage in the riveting chess game that is "stand still and hope he flashes green", or you kill every other demon while this dumbfuck Marauder runs after you and triggers the dog.

[cedar girder]

Fair 🤣

[misty ridge]

It is so adorable that they decided to keep cyberdemon name for the boss from doom 2016 just to not spoil anything even though everybody knows that tyrant isn’t real name

[cedar girder]

There are multiple species of tyrants, AFAIK

The loremaster can confirm xD

[acoustic lark]

My proposal:
A fully charged energy weapon blast should stagger him
Unmayker should fire through/ignore his shield completely
Rocket Remote Detonation should catch him off guard and stagger him
Fully charged destroyer blade should stagger him

And of course, after a weapon induced stagger, if you dont apply damage fast enough he will recover sooner.
The green flashy eye opening should stagger him longer

With those changes they could not only put him into levels more often but it would also make the fights more fun.
Maybe even increase his health with those changes

[sonic pilot]

For me in SGN the pinky that's supposed to break through the door after the first arena sometimes doesn't spawn in. But yeah I just restart checkpoint.

[misty ridge]

Yeah but that guy from doom 2016 doesn’t really look like tyrant, but anyway I’m not the lore master

[cedar girder]

Well, knowing id software, they listen to us so who knows what they will do in the next DOOM game

[jolly kernel]

the Marauder can be cheesed easily. using the firing ballista on the ground strategy works well

if you manage to pull it off, he barely has a chance to attack you

[azure oriole]

Doom 2016 Cyberdemon and Tyrants are completely different species.

It's retconned. OG Cyberdemons are now called Tyrants. They're high-ranking demon monsters who drive slave labor in the "black soul pits of Babel".

[cedar girder]

What a giga chad

[azure oriole]

Doom 2016's Cyberdemon is, canonically, the Cyberdemon, and the only one in-universe to be given this name thanks to Eternal retconning Tyrants. It's a "Baalgar demon", a "shadow lord" that's now extinct but was alive and well in the Third Age.

The Eternal Lorebook tells of the Baalgar's exploits before it died, possibly at the hands of the Slayer - mainly, it helped in Hell's invasion of an alien world called Drumavi, where it cut down their champion, the Gargaska, and "fed its legs to the imps".

[midnight sparrow]

They Cyberdemon yet not the original from Classic Doom right? I could have sworn you said that before

[azure oriole]

Nah, it's not.

That was a popular theory in 2016, but it can't be true. The Baalgar was alive in the Third Age, and Doom 1993 happens in the First Age.

[midnight sparrow]

Makes sense. Still gonna keep my headcanon that it is the original Cyberdemon

[azure oriole]

Lol I don't blame you.

[jaunty vapor]

Imo I think "dodging" him should allow you to shoot him, albeit perhaps with less of a window of opportunity or reduced damage, but keep the parry mechanic. Still keep him as more of a "reactive" enemy, but you can still focus on other demons while shooting him if you dodge him or something. I dunno. Marauders definitely the weakest designed enemy in the roster.

[acoustic lark]

agreed

[jaunty vapor]

Or, allow people who are able to be fast enough to just shoot him from behind. Ya know, REWARD good players 😛

They can remove that stun lock that was in 1.0, but not make him immediately 180 shield block, and that'd be kinda fun.

[split star]

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask. Does anyone have Doom 2016 and would like to play multiplayer?

[jaunty vapor]

Tbh I fear the next game is gonna double down on the weak points/parries, and while it COULD be done in an interesting way I think it also has a huge chance of being very stilted combat

[acoustic lark]

I fear the next game will be watered down to reach a more casual playerbase

i just pray they dont...

[jaunty vapor]

Really I just hope they don't add invisible walls and patch shit out AFTER release.

[split star]

I gotcha thanks for your time guys

[jaunty vapor]

Add as many walls as you want before release day, after that just let it ride

[jolly kernel]

I started to think of mixing in the normal shotgun’s sticky bomb to fights. how effective would it be?

[acoustic lark]

Especially adding invisible walls later that ONLY hinder speedrunners. Thats the stupidest thing ever

[jaunty vapor]

Sticky Bombs are good/decent. They're not amazing DPS per se but they're good, "infinite range", and obviously have the perk of being aoe

[cedar girder]

Marauder is weak? In what regards? his total HP?

[jaunty vapor]

There's also some nuance in that headshots deal extra damage with the explosion, and you can force a sticky bomb to become a crit by flame belching or even dashing into a demon. Even if the sticky bomb is just on the ground

[cedar girder]

They probably will because people complained about Marauder and TAG1 difficulty

[azure oriole]

I think they know their core audience well enough to not do this, but idk I've been wrong before

[jaunty vapor]

No, in terms that at any skill level, he's just a poorly designed demon compared to the rest of the roster.

Playing without tutorials because most of the tutorials were very "BIG RED ARROW LOOK AT THIS GUY HES WEAK TO STICKY BOMB", Marauder is the only demon who has the parry system and it's very unintuitive when the rest of the demons/game doesn't teach you that.

The game DOES teach you to dodge and "utilize weapon mods", and the mod that seemed most useful would be remote det. Except on top of remote det dealing shit damage, Marauder also will block remote det half the time anyways.

Trying to figure out Marauders without tutorials is dumb cause they're very one note in HOW you fight them, at least for a casual player, compared to every other demon where you can use any/all weapons, and you can decide to hit weak points or not, etc. Etc.

Doom Hunter was kind of the opposite. You had the option of shooting plasma shield with plasma, but you could also just use any weapon against the sled, etc.

[young mango]

Hey bloodshot so I’ve been slobbing forever but is it possible to just go into it with any weapon? Like I know heavy cannon, plasma rifle, and chaingun have the fastest bring up time but is there anything I’ve been doing wrong?

[cedar girder]

Ah, i understand

[jaunty vapor]

But the MAIN issue isn't even the whole "restrictive weakness" thing. The biggest design flaw for Marauder is just that Doom Eternal (and most of the other Doom games) are all PROACTIVE games, and promote proactive gameplay.

Except for the Marauder, who asks you to just be reactive. And some people might enjoy that "shake up" but I don't believe it really meshes well/fits

[light pasture]

Went great, was fun

[jaunty vapor]

Uuuh unsure.

[young mango]

Oki doke

[cedar girder]

Its still a nice change of pace, it can't be all "brrr brrr shotgun"

if that makes sense....

[young mango]

I’ll do a bit of experimenting with it and update you 👍

[flint flame]

They have literally not touched the game in over a year, and the last time they changed the slayer they overtuned his armor restack

[jaunty vapor]

Player belching

[cedar girder]

Yeah i know but i meant that they kept doing it back then, balance things out

[young mango]

Chaingun shield was so OP they completely got rid of it in battlemode

[flint flame]

Yeah I guess you’re right. They just couldn’t hit the sweet spot with slayer. Dread knight’s sheer power forced their hand and made them make slayer have high restack capabilities

Also ballista boosting. It’s just a huge advantage over someone who can’t hit their shots on a moving target

[cedar girder]

yeah he had that almost one shot damage bug as well 🤣

[weak locust]

I wonder when the next demon is getting added to battle mode

oops wait. wrong chat room

[cedar girder]

probs never, they stopped the updates

[young mango]

NEVER!!!!

A demon I would’ve liked to see us maybe whiplash or doom hunter

Depends on your standards

[cedar girder]

Definitely DOOM Hunter would have been the best

[weak locust]

imagine a demon versus demon

[jaunty vapor]

Most people think Switch Eternal is fine. No real reason it wouldn't be unless standards are high

[jaunty vapor]

Agreed.

[jaunty vapor]

We have the Slayer vs Slayer mod. Pretty sure demon v demon is possible. Though tbh that sounds kinda boring compared to SvS

[young mango]

But it would’ve been a bit out of place considering the only super heavy was the slayers direct enemy, and the canonically weakest one when it comes to durability

[jolly kernel]

if the Marauder was able to glory kill you, I imagine it being him slicing all of your limbs one by one then shooting you in the face with his ssg

[young mango]

The marauder does this to the marauder basically

[jaunty vapor]

out of place

Hot Dog Manc exists

(I'm kidding I know what you really mean)

[cedar girder]

Yeah, DOOM 2016 had glory kills on the slayer, but DE did not and its the only thing i dislike about DE

*sad noises

[young mango]

I went fucking ballistic when hot dog Manc came out it was so absurd

[flint flame]

At least respawn times are fast

[cedar girder]

Doomicorn says hi

[jaunty vapor]

I didn't mind it. I didn't LIKE it either, but it's funny and people can enjoy whatever

[young mango]

At least they kept the terminator reference

[jaunty vapor]

It's like the people who got pissed at Doom Slayer in Fortnite because "fOrK kNiFe BaD". Even if it is bad or you don't like it, so what 🤷 it's literally a net positive for everyone

[young mango]

I don’t know if this is true but I feel like TAG2 was a tiny bit rushed, kinda backed by the fact it released on the anniversary, they had restrictions cuz COVID and should’ve taken their time

It’s not even really the recycled enemies thing that I don’t like, I’m not asking for a lot, but there are a ridiculous amount of softlocks, especially in immora

[cedar girder]

Even if you like it or not, DOOM Slayer coming to Fortnite was EXTREMELY good for DOOM, because Fortnite is one of the most played games at the moment and this is very welcome to DOOM community

[tiny robin]

Maybe

[young mango]

People saying “grrr now all these stupid kids are coming to the doom fandom” as if that’s not already the case

[tiny robin]

There's nothing wrong with new members. But everyone's behavior is different

[jaunty vapor]

This XD

[flint flame]

Doom power scalers 🥱

Slayer has infinite speed!!!! Infinite strength!!!!! Infinite stamina (🥴)!!!! HE OUTER VERSAL GOD SOLO KRATOS MASTER CHIEF GOKU SAITAMA

[tiny robin]

Don't be afraid, you're a Doom Slayer

[young mango]

Yo mama so urdak she icon!

[cedar girder]

I wonder what is going down with Mick situation now... maybe i should stop beating a dead horse but im sure legal stuff are happening as we speak

[young mango]

Doom slayer is literally nowhere near the top of strongest fictional characters

[flint flame]

HE KILL CREATOR GOD, IGNORE THAT THE GOD WAS CRIPPLED AND HAD NO POWER

[young mango]

He was relying solely on the mech for power

[tiny robin]

These "gods" look like ordinary aliens, who are also killed by earth weapons

[flint flame]

[cedar girder]

Bruh moment

[jaunty vapor]

-insert unrelated gif cause I'm starved for attention a very funny doomer haha pls laugh-

[flint flame]

“no I do not want your handshake”

“Anime temporary doom is eternal”

[young mango]

Lol I’m a really big fan of doom so I feel like it’s better to just follow the lore than just blindly say doomguy is strongest and solos everything

[jaunty vapor]

"Who would wins" tend to fall apart when you ask people whether they include in game abilities

[cedar girder]

Whos Kramots lmao

[young mango]

🤯

[jaunty vapor]

Cause Doom Slayer literally has chronokenesis that actively affects physics

[young mango]

Are you talking about ice bomb

[cedar girder]

God of War fans would say the same, met them

If they would fight it would be like an unstoppable force vs an immovable object

[young mango]

Also if doom slayer has crucible he probably could beat the majority of fictional characters, but hand to hand? No

[cedar girder]

He beat the strongest Titan with his bare hands

[young mango]

It wasn’t strongest it was biggest

[cedar girder]

I believe the lore said he actually was the strongest as well

[young mango]

Also, square cube law

[cedar girder]

but i might be wrong

[young mango]

Icon of sin is the strongest one

[jaunty vapor]

Talking about weapon wheel slowdown

[young mango]

Oh yea

[flint flame]

Not exactly

[jaunty vapor]

Doom Slayer can actively slow down time and this affects physics, most notably through meathook

[cedar girder]

I used that mechanic when i was a noob in DOOM 2016 xD

[jaunty vapor]

Oh yeah it also worked on 2016

[flint flame]

It’s not specified how he killed the titan, just that he did it by himself

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah Doom Slayer just HAS chronokenesis XD In both games

[young mango]

Doom slayer fighting kratos at a high fps and he has the upperhand 😢😢

Kratos upon seeing doom slayer just ballista boost one billion miles away from him

[strange gale]

300fps slope boost into suplex

true combo

[cedar girder]

DOOM Slayer is nothing but an unstoppable being, he literally killed God, the one that created everything, destroyed titans with his bare hands, annihilated demons and he only got stronger and stronger with every game so far.

Kratos is obviously similar, he did the same and he was also unstoppable and killed Gods, he is much wiser but he regrets his past (Doom guy misses his rabbit and family).

They are both dads and lost their family (Doom Eternal hints this a little but not confirmed)
They both have Rage power ups (Spartan Rage and Berserk), healing as well.
They both destroyed beings that harmed the rest of the world.

I think this is a case where an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.

Pls correct me if im wrong

[young mango]

Doom slayer loosing to the guy from yakuza cuz he used tiger drop or whatever😢

[cedar girder]

Isnt Davoth the god of creation?

[young mango]

Not necessarily…

[cedar girder]

i see...

[young mango]

It’s heavily implied there’s one above davoth who created him as well

[honest gulch]

how strong are chains holding up nekravol?

[cedar girder]

Must've missed it

[young mango]

It’s unknown, the titans could have very easily broken them but do not due to their slave nature

[honest gulch]

so atleast stronger than steel

[cedar girder]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams

[young mango]

Probably not, they look to be a brass material, or some completely foreign material only found in urdak, who knows

[azure oriole]

Tammie's right.

Slayer ain't nearly as strong as Doom fans claim he is. The claims come from made-up headcanon and frivolous developer comments.

[honest gulch]

ah screw it just make his current recorded feat of strength the equivilant of two skyskrapers

[azure oriole]

Made a Reddit post about it a while ago, can link it.

[cedar girder]

Would you please?

[young mango]

Also if I remember correctly davoth isn’t even the one who did all the creating, it was mostly the father and the maykrs, also the divinity machine held only a small fraction of davoths essence, so yes he did become stronger but he didn’t become unstoppable

[honest gulch]

hopefully the devs make this canon

[azure oriole]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/108bc41/the_modern_doom_fanbase_has_misunderstood_the/

[cedar girder]

Interesting tho, a little disappointed but okay

[azure oriole]

Yeah no Davoth can barely be considered "God". What he did create, he created through technology, and he was never stronger than the Slayer is in Eternal.

[sacred dirge]

Betruger is the real dark lord

[young mango]

Also I don’t even think doomslayer could’ve beaten samur if he wasn’t corrupted

[azure oriole]

I wouldn't be disappointed! The Slayer is a very well-written silent protagonist and I think those qualities come out more when one considers that he gets as far as he does because of his will and persistence, not because he can punch a hole through anything.

[cedar girder]

Well, now i that i read the first part, ofc he isnt stronger that Goku lmao

[young mango]

But it’s unknown because the slayer has never fought an uncorrupted maykr

[honest gulch]

the problem is that we dont know his max recorded physical strength

[cedar girder]

Also, are you a writer? Your lore and the way you express stuff is amazing

[azure oriole]

Thank you! Yes, I am.

[cedar girder]

oh wow, do you have your work published?

[azure oriole]

In terms of this community I wrote a fanfic (a novelized adaptation of Doom 1993's Spiderdemon boss fight), the lore guide. I'm working on writing for an indie horror game ATM, which I'm also directing.

[cedar girder]

Also let me ask you this, who would actually win ? Doom slayer or Kratos?

[azure oriole]

Hoping to get into novel publicization in the far future.

[honest gulch]

funny story i did consider making a doom comic where the slayer punchs the head off a titan

would be nice if thats canon

so that we have an accurate max record strength feat

[azure oriole]

Uh, based on what I've heard, probably Kratos. Dude's magic. The Slayer is meant to be the protag of a story that's relatively grounded, where monsters can still be fought off by gunfire and some cool superhuman brawling. Kratos and God of War shit is generally on a different level.

Magic shit and god shit happens all the time.

[honest gulch]

instead of having the devs not telling what his actually max recorded strength is

[cedar girder]

Bruh, i can't believe this

[azure oriole]

Here is my general TLDR for these kinds of questions:

Goku would fucking vaporize the Doom Slayer.
Kratos would fucking squash the Doom Slayer.
Kirby would absolutely destroy the Doom Slayer - presuming they don't become best friends first, which they would.
Bayonetta would absolutely crush the Doom Slayer. Not debatable. She killed God.
Sonic? Would probably kill the Doom Slayer. I don't play much Sonic but he probably can.
Samus? Even match. I think they'd fall in love before either dies though.
Master Chief? Even match. I think they'd fall in love before either dies though.

[young mango]

@azure oriole Also now that I think about it right, ontop of the fact the father was not going solve any problems, wouldn’t he still be in his prime? Because unlike davoth he wasn’t forced into being a life sphere, he voluntarily did it

[honest gulch]

listen the only way to answer those questions is to find what recorded feats he has

for all as you know we dont know what he was like in his prime

[azure oriole]

The Father would still be in his prime, yes. Had the Slayer brought the Father back, he wouldn't be like Davoth - Davoth's had his power taken after the Life Sphere-ification. The Father didn't.

[sacred dirge]

Slayers strength comes more so like John wick were he's not this godly force but he defeats things originally with sheer fucking will power. Just doesn't give up. That's what makes him scary. Never was to much of a fan of the whole power level bs

[honest gulch]

just because oh he can wrestle with demons doesnt tell us what he is really capaible off and just makes assumptions

[cedar girder]

How the hell is Kratos able to destroy the Slayer, i mean there's gotta be more than that.

If Kratos has his magic, what does the Slayer have? Apart from his weapons, he is also empowered by the dark lord

[honest gulch]

jesus christ people want numbers not opinons

[young mango]

Also I LOVED the ancient gods story line, like the ending of blood swamps legit had me questioning if doom slayer was a villain, noted that I was very naive to the lore at the time though.

[azure oriole]

The Father is the character in Doom that's most likely capable of kicking the Slayer's ass. He easily beat Davoth in a fight.

[young mango]

How did he manage to beat davoth in his prime?

[azure oriole]

Though I have to question if Hayden could have.

[azure oriole]

The Codex lore doesn't specify, only says that they fought, and Davoth fell. The Father kicked his ass.

[honest gulch]

so if id just told us what the numbers are then we can get a good ideas to how powerfull he is

[azure oriole]

And yeah, that means Davoth made a robot stronger than himself. Dude's not a genius.

[young mango]

So do you think davoth is so weak that maybe he was on a decline before the father even ripped his essence?

[honest gulch]

just because he beat davoth doesnt mean he can beat goku , how do you know how powerscaling works when compared to other universes

[azure oriole]

I'm not disagreeing with you.

[young mango]

I knew the maykrs were robots but I thought the father would have HAD to been organic because he literally has a soul

[azure oriole]

I think Davoth was about as strong as the Slayer is in Eternal. So he's strong, he's got super strength, super agility, a very long lifespan.

[weary aspen]

did they start a new event yet?

[azure oriole]

What is a soul exactly? I think this is getting into more philosophical stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Maykrs had souls just by nature of being sentient, thinking, feeling entities.
The Father's just a robot.

[honest gulch]

if id just gave us THE NUMBERS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE HOW STRONG HE IS , JUST BECAUSE HE DOESNT NEED A MECH DOESNT TELL US WEATHER OR NOT HE CAN GRAB TITAN PUNCH OUT OF MID AIR

[azure oriole]

It's just that, like, he's a really fucking good robot. Like, divine.

[young mango]

Do you have any idea what the father may have looked like? He’s one of the most important puzzle pieces in the lore yet he has no canonical depiction

[azure oriole]

Davoth tasked the Maykrs with finding immortality to give to his people. The Father is fucking powerful - he was able to craft entire worlds with divine technology.

[weary aspen]

would be interesting if jesus joined the thing

hehe

[young mango]

Also I did not even know maykrs were robots until you brought it up a few months ago, but it makes sense because the khan maykr reincarnating isn’t just like a magic thing, her consciousness is quite literally just being transferred, as well as the fact she has control over all maykrs because their consciousness is also within hers

[azure oriole]

The most we see of the Father's appearance is that of a heavenly, glowing, robed silhouette. He's also depicted as holding a staff, occasionally. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930146039745376259/1077680429219446914/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930146039745376259/1077680515437580370/image.png

[weary aspen]

or some person who has jesus's.. idk, some kind of pwerful inheritance of jesus's abilties

idk

[cedar girder]

I still can't convince myself that DOOM slayer would lose against Kratos, even if he has magic, the slayer should have much more stamina, strength and power against Kratos

[young mango]

The best way I have heard m0nologue explain it is, imagine if captain America did a huge line of coke before every fight

[azure oriole]

It's kind of unclear. Khans have separate identities - they're like kings. The Maykrs are individuals, but they're inexplicably linked to each other. The Khan's will can't be contested by the others.

[honest gulch]

well its depends how hot is argent energy

[sacred dirge]

Ya that's doomguy/ slayer. That's what makes him bad ass. Not some magic power bs

[azure oriole]

But yeah, no, the Maykrs are meant to be simply robots. By the time we see them in Eternal, they've developed organic flesh as a result of the Transfiguration. It's not normal.

[young mango]

Yes that’s what’s so great about it, it’s not just him being ridiculously powerful, most of his strength just comes from sheer ferocity

[sacred dirge]

And not fucking giving up. That's scary honestly

[honest gulch]

we do know that the pistol in 2016 is 4 megawatts , to compare that halos plasma pistol is about 150 kv so doing some math about since 1000 kv is a mega watt that means that yeah that pistol is stupid

[honest gulch]

also small question what is the most recent max recorded temputure of argent energy?

[azure oriole]

How I personally feel about it is that fans liken the Slayer's character to being some catch-all Saitama-like character where he's always more powerful than the story needs him to be simply because that's "badass". But the Slayer isn't just about being "badass" - his character is defined by multiple things. Not just rage, but trauma, and loss.

"Was it not the Slayer who led the demons to us? We have you to thank for the glory of Argent Energy..."

"If you let the Priest live, then I will return to you what the demons took from you so long ago. You need only turn back, and it will be yours again. All the pain you carry will be gone.”

"All that strength, all that rage... and you couldn't save this world from itself."

I'm not gonna say this is like, masterful Shakespearean writing or whatever, but his character has a point. The Slayer is meant to be, how I'd put it, a fantastical revolutionary.

[azure oriole]

No clue. There are all kinds of Argent Energy.

[flint flame]

Hm

Slayer’s strength not having a precise metric really makes these debates hard

[cedar girder]

Im reading m0nologue's reddit post and he mentioned this

"My perception on power-scaling arguments in this fandom is tainted by Doom fans proclaiming that the Slayer would basically eviscerate every video game character ever, and it gets a bit bizarre seeing it. Anyone saying he could defeat characters like Goku, Kratos, Dante, Bayonetta... are out of their minds or haven't actually looked into what the Slayer can do. In terms of the Slayer's raw ability he is much more comparable to characters like Master Chief - relatively "human" characters in terms of feat and ability but obviously powered up. The Slayer's like an immortal, souped-up, super angry Captain America, or any other typical super hero character who is a human that has gained advanced speed and agility."

[azure oriole]

The idea of "feats" in these discussions are kind of silly too, because, like...

Okay let's say Dwayne Johnson challenges me to an arm-wrestling contest.

So I get out a handgun and I shoot him 18 times in the head. He dies.

Am I more powerful than the Rock? I beat him in combat, right? That's my feat.

So naturally I can kick the ass of anyone the Rock could beat. I've just jumped 80 rungs of the National Human Strongman Test, because I know how to use a gun.

[flint flame]

Doom slayer power scalers bringing in the one hit kill weapon in a strength discussion

[azure oriole]

By the same metric, the Slayer successfully killing the Icon doesn't mean he's more powerful than the Icon. It means he knows how to strategize and take down an enemy much larger than him. That doesn't mean he can punch the fucking thing's head off.

[cedar girder]

So you're saying this kind of feat happens with Kratos/Dante/Bayonetta?

[flint flame]

Gaia

[azure oriole]

I'm saying you can't measure a character's power just by "feats".

The Slayer may have "killed God," but "God" was about a human's level in strength and operating a divine mech. For Bayonetta, "killing God" means killing fucking God, like, the Christian God, or a close approximation of it.

[cedar girder]

Okay I agree with you about Bayonetta, but what about Dante?

[azure oriole]

I don't know shit about DMC.

[cedar girder]

I understand, but to quote you, you've said this.

eh, maybe im overstepping this

I dont know much about DMC either but i know Dante is also against hell, i gotta read into that

But i disagree that Kratos would squish the Slayer

[azure oriole]

I'm taking other DMC fans' word on that one. I've seen footage of the game and I've spoken to fans of it, and he seems a lot like Bayonetta

[cedar girder]

Okay so maybe Kratos would be more powerful than the Slayer. And based on your analogy, even if the Slayer isn't stronger, he would always find a way to defeat his enemy because he never gives up. Right?

[azure oriole]

I mean, sure. But that goes into the whole thing of depending on who is writing the story.

A God of War fan would argue the same about their guy.

[cedar girder]

Yeah but im trying to be impartial here

Eh, what do we know? They would never fight and be best buddies lmao

Also if the lore is hinting that there's a god above Davoth, and the slayer would destroy him in the next game(presumably), maybe then we can argue about the fact that he destroyed God

[spare glen]

hey i just had some amazing time on 2016 whats good about eternal

[nova seal]

Anyone else have the indigo marine

[flint flame]

It’s just more doom 2016 but with more mechanics

[nova seal]

Yeah

And graphic improvement

Also doue jump then you get dashing earlier on. Then the super shotty with grappling

Double*

[flint flame]

Eh, it’s not the hardest thing in the world to get

[nova seal]

Ik

Ive just defeated the doom hunters, how long do i have left in the game?

[cedar girder]

more than half

[nova seal]

Yay

[flint flame]

Yeah you’re about a third done

[cedar girder]

New DOOM game

They announced Mighty DOOM for mobile xD

[worldly mist]

Its precious

Really

[cedar girder]

i know its been around for a while but now it will be globally, right?

[flint flame]

Yeah

[slow sigil]

i mean, you can

problem is is people overestimating them

[robust steppe]

i cant find the LAST SECRET

[jolly kernel]

I managed to kill a Tyrant in 8 seconds

[worldly mist]

Epic

[tired sigil]

I recently got ancient gots part 1 and it's cool

the last boss was annoying when he kept dodging my shots

Tho

[pastel willow]

Can someone help me get the kill 8 online players with each weapon achievment?

Theres no way im getting this without having someone else let me kill them

Expecially the BFG kill since you can only use it once

[jaunty vapor]

I mean you can glory kill to get more BFG right?

I forget how the perk works now, I know it used to be a random chance

[pastel willow]

I'll let someone kill me with each of the guns too

I hate that they made online achievments a requirement

It's literally luck and skill based, why can't I just play campaign

If your unlucky and end up with someone that's better than you, it's impossible to win

[jaunty vapor]

Are you also upset they made single player acheivements for people who only liked the multiplayer? Cause otherwise, double standards

[pastel willow]

Why would you buy doom for the multiplayer only

[jaunty vapor]

That's literally not the point I'm making

[pastel willow]

Yes then, because you buy a primarily multiplayer game for multiplayer only

[jaunty vapor]

I'm just saying why be upset that they won't lower the bar 🤣

[pastel willow]

Not a game that is more about it's campaign

[jaunty vapor]

There were people who legitimately just liked the mulitplayer and not really the campaign. Whether YOU do or not is irrelevant, as there WERE people like that.

[pastel willow]

The PVP isn't even that good in this game to begin with compared to other fps games

[strange gale]

isn't the whole point of 100%ing/platinuming games that it's supposed to be a big achievement

[pastel willow]

Yes but it's supposed to feel rewarding

This just feels annoying

[eternal juniper]

I’m down for that

[pastel willow]

From soft does the best job at platinums imo, they are a good example of how a plat should be done

[pastel willow]

Thanks, ill dm you here soon

[eternal juniper]

Ok

[pastel willow]

Im leaving this match both players are like level 200

They are gonna win anyways LOL

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah cause "make highest tier {crystal/lightning/raw/fire}" weapon is so skill intensive 🙃

[pastel willow]

Im more-so talking about Bloodborne and Elden ring ig

[jaunty vapor]

If you think level is what makes players good then yeah, you're gonna get shat on.

You could take the time to learn the ins/outs of the mode instead though. For awhile, I was scrimming with the highest ranked Demons and yeah, it's an uphill battle, but it was rewarding to eventually learn the mode and be able to compete

[pastel willow]

Also before I say anything else, your opinion is valid, im not mad that you think differently, im just stating my own

[jaunty vapor]

That's completely fair

[pastel willow]

So you do have genuinely good points

I just feel like emphasizing on multiplayer isn't the best idea, to put it simply

[jaunty vapor]

I don't mind people not liking the mode, just think it's a weird mindset that people "need to get all the acheivements" if they don't enjoy the mode. It's a weird thing cause I get it but also think it's silly (but not in a "you're stupid" way, just... silly. I dunno how to explain it)

[slow sigil]

i'm lucky my "achievment hunting" soft mindset completely evaporated after trying some hearts of iron 4 achievments

[strange gale]

replacing the BM achievements with UN for each campaign probably would've been more popular

[pastel willow]

Yeah I understand

[jaunty vapor]

For me it was watching my brother do one of the SAO rpgs, you needed to get friendship with different party members up and it was like, dozens of hours of just literally no gameplay

[young mango]

The only achievement I don’t really like is “blood bath” because it’s unnecessarily Grindy, and most of the battle mode achievements in general are SUPER specific, like ending the round on 5 health or something

[sacred dirge]

I've never understood the whole achievement hunting thing to be honest

[jaunty vapor]

On the bright side, he got to watch/listen to a LOT of critical role while going for those platinums

[jaunty vapor]

I do agree that those kind of acheivements are kinda dumb/weird, and not really indicative of any sort of skill.

What was the one... I think it was Halo or CoD where you had to get several "comeback" medals or something? I dunno, it was something like "let the opponents get to 90% of the score, and THEN win"

So you basically had to throw and THEN try to win. Shit was so stupid

[slow sigil]

the achievments would be cool if it would be just "yo look i once did BM like did"
but the fact achievmenthunting even exists make the achievments just a chore

difficult gimick achievments are cool, but they arent because people try extremely hard to get them instead of just... getting them randomly

[pastel willow]

I like 100% the games, without the platinum I feel like I didn't beat the game, so I like to get everything to feel accomplished before moving onto a new game, as well as get my full moneys worth of gameplay whether I want to or not before I get a new game in a sense.

[young mango]

To be honest, for gimmick achievements, they sound really cool in concept, but I don’t think devs test out the sheer luck of it before implementing it, just that it works

[slow sigil]

you could also play for fun instead of to get a completely meaningless trophy to lit up while you sat down in half anguish getting those last few achievements

[pastel willow]

Like in games like River city girls, where a secret acheivment was dying on purpose in the first area of the game

[young mango]

Yea but that’s not hard to do

[pastel willow]

I guess, but then I feel like a loser

[sacred dirge]

Oh I get that I'm like that with other things. Thats a great point

[young mango]

Doom eternal battlemodes “win a round at 5 health” is just unfair

[pastel willow]

true

[young mango]

Just really obscure ones like that specifically are bad

Achievements should always be indicative of skill instead of being purely grindy, like having to fly 15000 meters as a revenant or whatever the hell

[pastel willow]

Like the secret milestone in this game where you have to dash into a pinky blow a singl zombie up with the BFG and punch a slayer gate?

(Not an achievment but in the game)

[slow sigil]

you are the only one who calls you a loser for not getting all achievments. so you are the only one that can stop calling yourself a loser. i'm not sure how to exactly get you to stop thinking it, but i can make you think about this:
who is the bigger loser, the one who played a game for fun, did everything they wanted, and stopped once the fun stopped. or the person who grinds through the game, not having any fun, just to get that 1 number up?

[young mango]

I have all the steam achievements but ill never do all the ingame ones

[pastel willow]

Idk, the completionist does it as a job and kind of tortures himself with certain games, thats kind of how I see things, I just do it for free.

But I guess your right

I still want to 100% games anyways thought, I'll probably just pick easier platinums, like the souls series

[slow sigil]

YOU are a completionist though

[pastel willow]

How, because I beat the campaign?

[slow sigil]

i thought you wanted to force yourself to platinum it? or did i misinterpret that?

[azure oriole]

“loser”

[pastel willow]

LMAO

[slow sigil]

forcing yourself to suffer in a videogame is quite loser behavior ngl

[azure oriole]

its a Preference

[pastel willow]

Ig that's kind of true, I'll never bring myself to get a platinum trophy in ANY of the Yakuza Games because of mahjong

Im not learning mahjong just to get a platinum trophy in a beat em up

I play the games for the substories and beating the shit out of everything

[robust steppe]

11 hours and i did 2nd missions is it normal 😄

how many missions is there

[young mango]

Waaat

[robust steppe]

well it took me a while to find some secrets 😄

2nd map specifically

[young mango]

So you spent like 6 hours on exultia?

[azure oriole]

its your choice what u wanna do. I enjoy hitting those higher rewards cause i didnt just spend 60 dollars on a game just to touch it for 5 minutes

[pastel willow]

I think my issue with video games, is I need to start enjoying them over forcing myself to get the platinums