doom-eternal

[azure oriole]

isnt the super shotgun just a normal Double barrel doom guy picks off a random soldier

[glossy warren]

the one in 2016 was

[azure oriole]

ye that

[sacred dirge]

Yes. Eternal would obviously have better weapons do to the time jump and the development of the prototype weapons that were the 2016 weapons

[glossy warren]

the one from eternal I'm pretty sure was made by the sentinels for him cause he's special

[azure oriole]

In 2016, yes.
In Eternal the SSG is the one he used in the Classic games, which he brought into Sentinel Prime with him when they found him.

Source: The Codex mentions Doomguy arrived wielding "arcane weaponry" they didn't recognize. They hadn't seen a double-barreled shotgun before, and the Marauders didn't use them until after Doomguy's arrival.

The boom stick

[young mango]

Wow this is really interesting

[azure oriole]

Yeah it's pretty cool. Eternal's Codex entry on the SSG even notes that while the bulk of the weapon appears Earth-made, it's had Sentinel upgrades added to it, like the meathook and the Slayer symbol.

Doomguy upgraded his SSG with Argenta tech.

It's why VEGA specifies your Super Shotgun in Cultist Base, not just any Super Shotgun, and further why Hell has written such angry scripture about this particular weapon. In one page, they write that "they will smelt the weapon and gild the Slayer's entrails with the slurry".

[sacred dirge]

Yeah that last line is in the lore book. Pretty neat

[crimson forge]

Eternal’s codex notes the Super Shotgun to be of earthly design, but the meat hook is made with offworld metals. Vega notes it’s a “relic from [the Slayer’s] past” so it might not be sentinel forged, but certainly sentinel upgraded

[spark vale]

Just out of curiousity does anyone know where I can find a spotify playlist of the Doom Eternal OST, and the menu theme

[delicate sandal]

You can't

You can find it on YouTube but not Spotify because of all the stuff that happened with Mick Gordon

People do make remixes of the songs

But they're just not the same

[outer sable]

yo if basic weapons can take out the demon king how did humans lose the fight against hell

[azure oriole]

Ik i will def loose my braincells trying to play Nightmare on Classic mode in Masterlevels

i regret my decision to try it

[delicate sandal]

Because they aren't as strong as the slayer

[delicate sandal]

Good luck lol

[outer sable]

bruh what

[patent stream]

Because the sheer number of demons not to mention humans are not as nimble nor have the same armor

[spark vale]

wait, what happened with mick gordon???

[patent stream]

On top of that humanity isn’t as mentally strong ( or broken) as the slayer

[outer sable]

fired

[azure oriole]

i got up to the sewer section and said nah fam right when a Cyberdemon fucking appeared in a section i didnt realize

[delicate sandal]

I mean it's a bit of a grind but some of the rewards are worth it

[spark vale]

oh, thats unfortunate,

[patent stream]

He was a contractor so he was not “fired” he just won’t be hired for contract work again

[azure oriole]

Id only be able to do a Nightmare Masterlevel if i had my arsenal. Classic is fun tho

I might redo the Normal Campaign on Extra Life mode just for the Phobos skin right?

[delicate sandal]

Yeah they throw an annoying amount of cyberdemons in those levels

[azure oriole]

i complained doom eternal doesnt have enough demons thrown at me.

I play master levels and i realize my regret

but darn it i love doin it

[delicate sandal]

lol

Yeah it's annoying but at the same time it feels good when you clear the stage

[azure oriole]

it feels more rewarding when u play any game at hardest difficulty for me

[delicate sandal]

Yeah

[azure oriole]

Ultra-nightmare is a stretch but besides that its like ye its cool.

[delicate sandal]

I'm probably never gonna beat ultra nightmare

[azure oriole]

especially when ill 100% cheese most of it on checkpoints and Evading fights

and not do demon gates cause im not Suicidal currently

[delicate sandal]

I can't get past hell on earth lmao

[azure oriole]

Yeah that's what I'm saying. The SSG itself is from Earth, albeit not theirs. It was upgraded by Argenta design. It's 100% the original SSG

[delicate sandal]

Yeah

[azure oriole]

does Unmaykr work on the Icon of sin

[delicate sandal]

Yeah I think so

[azure oriole]

is it even worth doing that

[delicate sandal]

I feel like in the end the bfg would still do more damage

[azure oriole]

last time i checked the BFG doesnt do anything to the icon of sin but maybe i just missed 3 of my shots

[delicate sandal]

No the bfg does good damage

And on each stage you get like 3 refills

[azure oriole]

ill see. The Icon of sin is the only boss fight i struggle just cause i cant predict his Attacks most of the time

[delicate sandal]

I mean at least they give you infinite crucible and blood bunch refills to take out the demons on the ground

[azure oriole]

ye

ill prob just Master the Icon of Sin fights before i touch Ultra Nightmare

Was my only issue on Nightmare.

[delicate sandal]

Yeah that would be a good idea

[azure oriole]

For master levels i kinda just only care abt the Golden Shotgun

[delicate sandal]

Yeah

That and the pixelated slayer icon

Honestly I'm happy the golden shotgun is the reward for one of the easier master levels

[azure oriole]

is there gold skin for every weapon?

[flint flame]

Yes, minus crucible and unmaykr

[pulsar charm]

Doom eternal deluxe edition is about 15 bucks on fanatical.com tell your friends

[nimble plaza]

Yeah but the combat shotgun is kinda hard to get

[autumn trellis]

But its a super rewarding thing to look at

Like yea i earnt that

[gloomy kindle]

tf happened to future content after 6.66 was it all scrapped or will we get a a real final update to add it all

[strange gale]

no announcements were ever made for any content being planned post-6.66

lay off the za

[flint snow]

Well TAG 1 sure is a difficulty spike. Although my problem mainly comes from the fog sections. The double marauder fight was piss easy

[vale tapir]

Hello everyone, just got into discord and and thought of quickly joining my favorite community!

I really need help though

Yeah…So I bought Doom Eternal and also had a great play through but there is one problem present in the and I wonder if it’s a normal thing…

My slayer skins Don’t have a see-through visor so I decided to scroll through YouTube and I saw that All vids have the Slayers face visible!
So is it that I bought the earliest version of the game or smth? IDK

[flint snow]

The visor in then helmet is transparent, she means

[vale tapir]

Yeah…his helmet doesn’t show his face…not that big of a deal it just got me…tensed

[flint snow]

Oh nvm

[vale tapir]

Nope it’s opaque

[flint snow]

It's probably a rendering issue

[vale tapir]

Yeah only his OG skin has his face visible

[flint snow]

What platform are you on?

[empty drum]

Switch

[clever gate]

Discovered that the ARC complex theme is dark halls from DooM 1

[azure oriole]

i got the phobos suit

2 days ago

[tropic mesa]

what's "rayon a micro-ondes"?

why can't i double jump

uh

[glossy warren]

part of it yea

[tropic mesa]

man this sucks

[crystal widget]

[minor cedar]

Best skin in doom

[glossy warren]

you press the button twice

[tropic mesa]

what button?

like, my legs?

[azure forum]

On eternal or 2016?

[azure forum]

Praetor for sure. Personally I like Immoran and chrome Green

Son

Please do

I don't know what that means nor i need to know but do what makes you happy son

[minor cedar]

I really like the Santa slayer skin

[azure forum]

The animations on the Santa slayer are nice

[glossy warren]

unicorn suit.

no questions. unicorn suit.

[minor cedar]

Unicorn

[delicate sandal]

Fr the dark doomicorn looks sick

[noble lintel]

I like the Commander Keen one, just cuz how silly it is. About the best one it all comes to personal preference, every Slayer has got their armor.

[azure oriole]

Anybody got tips to ease into playing on un?

[rare current]

Agreed

[glossy warren]

do a lot of nightmare runs first, try minimizing your deaths
play carefully, prioritize certain demons over the others

[azure oriole]

Ok, cause I lost 3 un runs to imps coming from behind

[glossy warren]

oh and try to get as many suit points and stuff as possible

even if they're not like in the direct 'path' of the level

[azure oriole]

Ok, well I always have the feeling in my mind, "your gonna die on nightmare, play hurt me plenty instead"

[glossy warren]

there's nothing wrong with playing less challenging modes
ultra nightmare is for experienced players that REALLY want to test their doom skills

[azure oriole]

Ok, so I'm gonna practice on nightmare over the weekend then

[random vault]

why not play hurt me plenty

[glossy warren]

do what you think is best

[azure oriole]

For the challenge

And also the gold skin, but either way

[random vault]

phobos skin looks better just get that

[azure oriole]

Agreed, and it's a quake reference

so, whats happening in this server

[random vault]

doom stuff

[azure oriole]

nah really

I didnt notice

Yeah I was explaining I was bad and needed tips to get gud

Great tip bro

Anyways, I'm gonna play doom 2 in eternal now

[azure oriole]

both tags cost how much wtf

i paid 10$ for doom eternal and the dlcs cost 20$ each lmao

Get the year one pass instead

where is it

The store

i dont see it

[flint musk]

Damn i just kicked icon of sin ass, know im sad

[azure oriole]

same

[flint musk]

Cuz i finished the history part of the game

And i dont have the ancient gods

[azure oriole]

i thought doom was going to have more missions

[flint musk]

Yeah me too

[azure oriole]

Look on google

[azure oriole]

its called Doom Eternal: The Ancient Gods Expansion Pass

On switch yes

its not on steam

They've unlisted it for some goofy reason, but it very much is on steam

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1098291/DOOM_Eternal_Year_One_Pass/

Steam

DOOM Eternal Year One Pass

You pulled humanity back from the edge of extinction, but it came at a cost. Slaying the Kahn Maykr left an imbalance of power in the cosmos that threatens all of creation. Now you must rise and set things right in DOOM Eternal: The Ancient Gods. The Year One Pass includes two campaign expansions: The Ancient Gods -- Part One and The Ancient God...

Price

$29.99

Recommendations

150

its still 30$

yah

i cant afford dlc for 30$

So wait for a sale

[azure oriole]

wish i knew that during christmas

[minor cedar]

Is the dlcs worth it

[azure oriole]

Yeah if you wait for a discount

[patent stream]

^

On sale the pass goes for what? $22? If not less

[sacred dirge]

Sucks I had to rebuy everything once switching to pc but that's just life

[tidal canyon]

I have a question for Bethesda and id software. When could you give us a remake of doom 1 and 2? #Day 1

[sacred dirge]

Majority of doom fans don't want a classic remaster because that takes away from the aesthetic vibe and game flow they all love. It would be like putting 24 inch spinner rims on a classic muscle car. Some things are just perfect the way they are and classic doom is one of those things

[azure oriole]

snatched Deluxe for 17 dollars

[azure oriole]

nah. Not to mention Doom 2016 feels like that Reboot/remake most fans waited for prob

Not to mention u end up fighting the Spidertron and Cyberdemon

[tidal canyon]

yes but they are the same graphics as the original

[azure oriole]

wdym

[languid flint]

Pixels

[fickle token]

now that im thinking why they didnt remaked any of the classic Doom songs?

[crimson forge]

I know that Mick Gordon used samples of the old doom songs in some of the tracks for 2016

[fickle token]

like one of the most famous is At the DOOM's gate

[fickle token]

yeah but they are really hard to remember

[fickle token]

by listening ofc

[crimson forge]

Makes sense

[fickle token]

i wanted to change my name to DoomGuy before, they locked the name

just for info, in DOOM eternal, what demons are playable in multiplayer??

[signal dirge]

Marauder, Revenant, Archvile, Pain elemental, Mancubis, and now DreadKnight

I'd honestly have preffered a whiplash as a playable demon.

[fickle token]

oh, and there isn't the predator??

[signal dirge]

You mean Prowler? He's a summonable.

[fickle token]

yeah him, im from italy so i dont really know some names

[fickle token]

yeah now im gonna search up so i can see and know whats is a summonable demon

[signal dirge]

All demons have an ability to summon a heavy demon based on what loadout you choose. it can be an Arachnotron, Carcass, Cacodemon, etc. I don't play battlemode a lot,

[fickle token]

gawd dam, so the prowler is a heavy demon?? and thinking that in DOOM 2016 it haves only 275 hp...

[slow sigil]

prowlers are a tad too buffy for eternal to be lights

[fickle token]

if its for his alt attack then reasonable

i mean, if you touch any slayer they istantly get executed

whit the alt

[noble lintel]

Why was the Prowler so tall in 2016 and now is just a bit taller than the Imp?

[azure oriole]

This is why the Heavy category should've been separated into two classes.

[slow sigil]

yeah but the medium class (presumably) got scrapped because there wasnt enough demons to justify it

you can only put like 4-5 demons in there and a majority of them as a real strethc

[noble lintel]

What would fit in besides Prowlers?

[slow sigil]

carcasses

[noble lintel]

True, but you said like 5. If those are from The Ancient Gods don't tell me plz

I mean if some demon from TAG would fit on a medium category

Not that they're from DLC

[slow sigil]

i forgot the tag2 ones, the n1 other would fit in

[azure oriole]

Medium: Whiplash, Prowler, Cursed Prowler, Carcass, Hell Knight, Maykr Drone, Cacodemon, Revenant
Heavy: Arachnotron, Mancubus, Cyber-Mancubus, Dread Knight, Pain Elemental, Pinky, Spectre, Blood Maykr

[noble lintel]

Seems right

[slow sigil]

hell knights and cacos are a bit too much of a stretch imo

hell knights are buff and cacos idk just feel a bit too big

[azure oriole]

I wouldn't judge this by size. Moreso by how dangerous they are. Mancubi are bigger than Marauders, but obviously Marauders are more dangerous.

[noble lintel]

They're empty inside (kinda), so in reality it wouldn't be so bad to chainsaw them.

[azure oriole]

Cacos you can take care of in 3 seconds with a grenade. Hell Knights are on the weaker side of the enemy roster. I'd say both would work well as Medium demons.

[noble lintel]

He's superheavy, the game just doesn't let you

[slow sigil]

honestly all super heavies should be chainsawable while staggered

[azure oriole]

And then ideally Medium enemies would only take two chainsaw pips to chainsaw.

[noble lintel]

Yeah, it would be cool being able to chainsaw him when you are able to glory kill him

Otherwise it would be an instakill, which would be boring, disposing of him immediately

[slow sigil]

i mean why else make them medium if it does absolutely nothing?

[noble lintel]

It would kill him instantly, which defies it's porpoise of being hard

[flint snow]

So far TAG 1 is good

The double marauder fight was easy

The buffed marauder was better imo

[glossy warren]

you can crucible him in staggered form

[flint snow]

But it still felt lacking in depth.

I would have enjoyed it if Buff Totems and Spirits could stack. Imagine fighting a Buffed Possessed Marauder

Yes

[crimson forge]

Buff totem and spirit possessed marauder would be terrifying cause in addition to being like twice as fast he also takes like a third of the damage

[flint snow]

I do enjoy the weak point mechanic but I feel like it could be expanded on a bit

Imagine being able to use the Meathook to remove weak points or yank Shields from Shotgunners or to falter the Marauder

[crimson forge]

I mean they’re energy shields but I like your thinking

[flint snow]

At present we can only play red light green light to "parry" marauders but Imagine just additional means of turning the tide against him

[crimson forge]

I actually like the red light green light business, makes you play around him, like a stage hazard boss in Smash Bros

[flint snow]

Also, crazy idea but why tf can't I enemy step on demon heads? That would have been amazing

Just Imagine using the enemy step mechanic from dmc for traversal

[strange gale]

use the Meathook to yank Shields from Shotgunners
you can already do this tho

[flint snow]

You can't

You use the meat hook and you zip to them

I'm talking about using the meat hook to pull enemies as well

[crimson forge]

I think that was actually a design choice by the team, they figured more mobility would be cooler. There was also the debate whether the meat hook should stick to everything or just demons, they went with just demons

[flint snow]

Imagine you have a gap too big to cross with double dash and jumping, and then you see two cacodemons with their backs to you in a single file line, so you jump then double jump, you dash over the first one, and jump on them gain extra height and your second jump resets then you jump on the second one and meathook to the climbing wall at the end

Enemy step would add so much more variety to certain combat encounters particularly where you have to play "Floor is Lava" with either electric floors or toxic sludge.

Or better yet, you jump over a shield guy, he raises his shield, you meat hook to the shield and Enemy step off of it, effectively like a trampoline to the Pain Elemental pelting you with lost souls, ice bomb blood punch ssg combo and he's dead

[crimson forge]

Bro definitely plays devil may cry

[flint snow]

I do but that's not a bad thing

[crimson forge]

Never said it was I play it I just never once used enemy step

[flint snow]

I only use it for like bosses

[crimson forge]

Nero is my favorite I just feel like I’m not good with him

[flint snow]

As much as I love Dante, I feel like he's too technical

[rigid gorge]

I'm as clueless as you, my guy

@heavy sun yo why did I get banned when I didn't break any of the rules lol

[flint snow]

Is the sentinel hammer only available in TAG or can I use it in the base game once I get it?

[indigo juniper]

best mod in the game (any weapon)

what about out of coolness (not based on if its good or not)

for me it would have to be the mobile turret

[noble lintel]

Is that the Mancubus from the hit game DOOM?

[flint snow]

Did anyone else exclusively use the bfg in the secret encounters in TAG 1?

[indigo juniper]

Yes it’s me

[noble lintel]

Is the Cybermancubus one of your relatives or you're the same guy?

[noble lintel]

Just played one of the encounters of the first level, I didn't use BFG. But who knows what Door number 2's hiding for me

[flint snow]

There's one in the Holt with the possessed Cyber Manc that I'm having trouble with

[noble lintel]

Haven't got there yet, so I can't give any advise.

[flint snow]

Difficult to do when you have about 34 seconds to melt a spirit cybermanc

At first I thought the Doom 2 skin went hard

And then the barbarian skin decided to introduce itself

[flint flame]

What are your thoughts on

[midnight sparrow]

Mancubus got his nudes leaked 😔

[dusk copper]

whats the doom eternal directory

is that just the doom eternal main folder

[indigo juniper]

That’s not me that’s Evelyn the mancubum

[sly wedge]

If that's Evelyn, then who are you?

[gloomy fulcrum]

I started using micro missles it's honestly pretty nice

Even with quick switching, instead of precision bolt I just burst some missles, it's satisfying

[noble lintel]

I prefer micro missiles to scope, just cuz I'm an absolute dumpsterfire at aiming

[gloomy fulcrum]

I am good at aiming they just feel good

[flint snow]

Scope is super satisfying when you get the hang of rapid fire quick scoping

Especially with the break blast support rune

You Essentially get free hard falters for every weak point you destroy

Idk if shields are affected tho

[slow sigil]

Scope is cool if you just, don't use the scope lmfao

[azure forum]

Micromisiles is such a cool mod, but PB is just way too good and much superior at the end

[gloomy fulcrum]

Yeah

[flint snow]

I'm not sure the spidermastermind would have worked as an Eternal enemy tbh

[gloomy fulcrum]

I can quick switch and scope relatively fast

[azure forum]

17 yo adventure

[gloomy fulcrum]

prolly not as fast as possible but relatively fast, micro missles so fun tho

[azure forum]

It is bad just regular base fire Micromisiles and decent if you use primary charger

[sacred dirge]

Technically it is. The arachnotrons were made with its genetic information

[gloomy fulcrum]

wait so if I use micro missles on heavy cannon what is the point of chain gun

Just that?

[flint snow]

I mean like mechanically. Not lore wise.

[gloomy fulcrum]

I have bottomless missles

They have extremely high DPS.

[sacred dirge]

Yeah game wise tiny little masterminds would work fine. Or smaller versions in general. arachnotrons are a good example. Some super heavy spider would be neat

[flint snow]

Micromissiles worked in 2016 because you had runes like Rich Get Richer to make them viable

[gloomy fulcrum]

wdym

wait it doubles

[flint snow]

Yes

I've started using different quick swaps like ballista into rocket launcher

[gloomy fulcrum]

Ah

[sacred dirge]

Next week zongaru

[gloomy fulcrum]

I am very bad with freeze and lobs though dunno what keybinds are good for them

[flint snow]

I still feel like ice bombs and flame belch could have improvements to them

Like being able to flame belch oil slick or ice bomb water to freeze a wider area

Or using them for traversal and exploration, like ice bombing burning oil to create passages or flame belching ice walls to reveal climbing surfaces and such

[indigo juniper]

I’m THE mancubus

[gloomy fulcrum]

got shield is so good

[azure forum]

Shield is OP

[azure forum]

[gloomy fulcrum]

It does so much damage

heard doom penguin say to use micro missles to finish off super heavies but like, use shield lol

[azure forum]

Not even the damage, just the fact that you have almost invincibility and that can do damage

[gloomy fulcrum]

fair

Do sticky bombs have a late game use outside of caco murder?

[azure forum]

Micromisiles is good for fun. The damage isn't worth it. Basically 4 missiles which I believe use 8 ammo do the same damage as 1 PB shot which uses 6. Even with primary charger it is just too weak. I love the mod myself, but I can't justify it by any means over PB other than using it for fun

[gloomy fulcrum]

wait what it actually does that low damage

I thought it was higher

[azure forum]

Yep, 105per shot I think and 140ish with primary charger

The sad part is that you cannot kill a Tyrant with all rounds of Micromisiles unless you use it with primary charger which I think should barely kill it

[gloomy fulcrum]

wtf do you mean this link is not allowed here it's medal.tv

I am not using AMD adrenalin it bottlenecks my cpu

[outer sable]

medal.tv is actually malware if you didnt know

[azure oriole]

Yeah, malware from a battlemode server besides spicy demons

[gloomy fulcrum]

If that's malware than AMD Adrenalin is a ransomware

[outer sable]

so anyways who has a battlemode server besides spicy demons

[gloomy fulcrum]

So please. Stfu about that

[flint snow]

So TAG 1 was very enjoyable

[outer sable]

no

[outer sable]

rich man

[gloomy fulcrum]

Source?

[outer sable]

for what

[gloomy fulcrum]

.

[flint snow]

Andrew Levy and David Hulsholt did a great job with the music

The combat felt nice and the support runes are nice

[gloomy fulcrum]

Guess Reddit is a malware too!

[outer sable]

ik but its all good

[flint snow]

Bro shush I had money saved from PS+ Stars

[outer sable]

bruh

typical ps user

[flint snow]

Well at least I'm saved from anticheat

[gloomy fulcrum]

Ah so it's malware because Redditors had a false positive a few times in 2020

[outer sable]

yeah

[gloomy fulcrum]

Okay mate.

[flint snow]

Armored Baron is actually easier than regular baron wtf

[hushed echo]

hello

[flint snow]

Do they just take massive damage when you destroy their mace?

[outer sable]

maybe

i only fought like 1 of them in horde mode and i didnt even shoot its mace so i wouldnt know

[hushed echo]

i have no idea what you guys are talking about, so i might just stick around and see if i can understand whats going on

[flint snow]

We're discussing TAG

[hushed echo]

idk what the hell that is and at this point i'm to confused to ask

[azure oriole]

Dlc

[dull herald]

🤭🤭...

[outer sable]

those angry goons

[flint flame]

(He has not played tag you’re it as a child)

[dull herald]

the ancient gerds is my favorite dlc

[hushed echo]

i have never played tag in my life, be dissapointed if you want

[outer sable]

bruh

[hushed echo]

my favorite DLC would have to be "Resurection of Evil" for doom 3

[outer sable]

too expensive

[hushed echo]

i bought the entire doom collection on steam for $13.99 a few months ago

[outer sable]

including dlcs?

[hushed echo]

yes

[outer sable]

bruh

[hushed echo]

i have yet do download doom 2016

it came with Doom 1, Doom 2 and it's DLC's, Doom 3 and it's DLC's, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal, even though i already owned eternal a few years before i got the collection

[outer sable]

wha about doom eternal dlcs

and doom 64

[hushed echo]

oh yeah, it came with those too

i forgor bout' doom 64

[outer sable]

its good

its the best looking doom game ngl

[ruby ridge]

Are demons actually smart enough to legitimately fear the slayer?

Like you can definitely tell while glory killing some but for others it’s like they don’t even know you’re there

[outer sable]

maybe some of them

at most they probably just know to run

[ruby ridge]

Archviles are the only ones that you can tell are really afraid of you

[midnight sparrow]

I imagine it's more of a sort of instinctual fear at least in the lore

[outer sable]

ye, they know to put up a shield and teleport away

[ruby ridge]

You can also see it in their face, especially during the glory kill where you chop em up and crush their head. It makes sense too, since they are the most intelligent lore-wise

[ruby ridge]

I imagine that’d be the case for the most part, yeah.

[flint snow]

Playing TAG 2 atm

Jesus christ this hammer is so busted lmao

[outer sable]

nice

does getting it unlock anything besides just like the gameplay?

cuz that feels like a kinda waste of money for a couple days of fun

[flint snow]

The ancient gods part 1 and 2 is an additional campaign.

[outer sable]

so no

[flint snow]

Why would it be a waste of money? Its more Doom Eternal lmfao

[midnight cloud]

how is TAG 1 and 2. I have both but I only played the main campaign?

[flint snow]

TAG 1 is solid, there's a good number of difficult encounters and the music is nice. The skins are really cool and overall I found the experience fun.

TAG is great so far. Not giving my full thoughts on TAG 2 until I've finished it

[ruby ridge]

Why the hell did you buy doom then

That’s just a few days of fun

Like every video game ever

Your logic sucks

[flint snow]

Also the hammer is my entire vibe now. After like 5 minutes of experimenting with it and seeing how it works, it feels infinitely more natural and conducive to my playstyle compared to the Crucible. Just a shame I can't use the hammer in the base game

[outer sable]

nah man battlemode

and like collectibes and stuff

its weeks if not months of fun

and i didnt pay for doom eternal

[outer sable]

bruh there is skins

ima get it then its like under 10 bucks at my local game store

[flint snow]

You bought Doom...a single player game about brutally murdering demons in fun and engaging combat and traversal...just so you could play a rehash of a multiplayer mode that nobody even cares about?

[outer sable]

bruh i love the multiplayer

why do you think ive asked for a battlemode server so much

[flint snow]

So you'd rather play battlemode than the single player demon massacre game

[outer sable]

rn yeah, you can do more than just play the slayer plus ive played like 3 runs of the campaign

[trail cradle]

if u beat all the levels of tag 2 on nightmare u get all gold guns except the combat shotgun

worth

[glossy warren]

call me sadistic but it's really satisfying

[steady meadow]

Yo yo

So I platted Doom 2016 and im looking to plat Doom Eternal soon

Anyone willing to grind w me when I begin the process?

[alpine plaza]

Just got the gold doom Slayer skin in fortnite 😎

The grind has finally paid off

[steady meadow]

Gold?

U meant ember?

[alpine plaza]

I mean the phobos skin

[steady meadow]

Ohhhhhhh the Phobos

[alpine plaza]

Took me a while

2 levels away from getting the ember one too

[steady meadow]

Imma get the Ember one on Friday

Or actually tmrw when I get home from school

[alpine plaza]

Just got the ember armor 😎

I have achieved completion 😌

[flint flame]

Don’t judge him

Battlemode’s fine, it’s just that a mode like that requires constant maintaining

[sacred dirge]

Exactly. It's still a good time

[warm thistle]

Doom eternal doesn't feel like a doom game :/

I'm still pretty new but it just doesn't feel like doom

Its not killing demons and listening to heavy metal its it's like killing demons and always having to glory kill and use chainsaw and overly realistic while listening to ambient music with the occasional good song

Theres kings and priests and these God looking people

Its fast but feels slow

Is there comics I need to read or books to understand it

Before in doom 2016 and doom 64 and doom 2 I could just sit around all day redoing missions to find the secrets but now it feels hard to even play for 45 minutes or an hour

Feels more like a chore to play instead of just having fun yk

[flint snow]

Why do you think that is?

[warm thistle]

I want to play it so it doesn't waste space on my xbox

But from what I have so far these are all the feelings I get from it

[flint snow]

I think for me I have to be in the right mood to play and for playing well it'd really hard to.have that motivation. Lots more split second decisions I need to make and my brain just don't work like that

[azure oriole]

codex

[warm thistle]

For me whenever I dont have school or friends/family related stuff happening I'm in the mood to game/stream

[flint snow]

And I get the urge to play well after a bit of an ego boost, mainly after melting enemies that give me trouble

[azure oriole]

this is like the only way to understand lore besides cutscenes out right saying it

[flint snow]

Also the Hammer is so broken honestly after playing a good portion of TAG 2

[warm thistle]

In doom 2016 which I beat like a week ago I was addicted to, I'd play from 6 to 12 and same with the older games, if just play all day

[azure oriole]

theres a suit upgrade specifically for finding Secrets easily

[flint snow]

But it also feels way more natural to how I play

[warm thistle]

This one feels different, it just doesnt feel like a doom game

[flint snow]

What part about it isn't Doom?

I'm really confused about your point you're trying to make

[warm thistle]

Everything about it doesn't feel right

[azure oriole]

well thats very broad isnt it

[warm thistle]

Yeah it is but I mean i stated some of my issues with it in my original rant

[azure oriole]

ig i can take a look

[warm thistle]

Before the chainsaw was a get out of fight thing now I feel like I have to use it every 30 seconds

[strange gale]

this game suffers from the AAA curse of "hey let's flex our animation budget in all the places where it fucks with gameplay"

[warm thistle]

Yeah

[flint snow]

Are you weapon switching and quickswapping between them or are you spamming one weapon

[warm thistle]

I switch weapons yeah depending on demon

[azure oriole]

The reason the chainsaw is used a lot is to keep the player from running out of ammo without having too much

[flint snow]

2016's max ammo for shotguns was ridiculous

[patent stream]

Classic doom and its 100 shells would like to have a word

[flint snow]

I think that's partly the reason why people exclusively used the SSG

[warm thistle]

60 shells was great

[flint snow]

Classic Doom gets a pass because you miss more than actually hitting something

[patent stream]

Only if you are bad

[azure oriole]

The real reason is because lowering the amount of ammo you can have encourages the player to make full use of their arsenal by switching weapons and never using only one too much.

^

Whether or not that works well is up to you. But that's why.

[patent stream]

Except the game also makes all the single shot weapons essentially behave the same and reduces any real incentive to use the automatics

[warm thistle]

Ig but still I just think the game is very flawed

[patent stream]

Oh eternal is very flawed

[flint snow]

The only time I ever use Heavy cannon is for weak point quickscoping lmao

[azure oriole]

every game is flawed. doesnt nessecarily mean it ruins the game yk

[azure oriole]

I use it to quickly stagger Fodder for health.

[strange gale]

the lack of freelook means shooting at anything above or below yourself is mostly left in the hands of vertical autoaim

[azure oriole]

Anyway Eternal is a flawed game but it also is the best Doom game.

[patent stream]

I reiterate. Only if you are bad

🙃

[azure oriole]

personally id enjoy if they found a way to make Glory kills not "locked" onto a demon and somehow still give the player freedom of movement but thats a concept i doubt is even possible or just need more time and recources than it rlly should

[flint snow]

Technically you can't miss enemies on a higher or lower plain than you because shotgun hits are hitscan and doom has a pseudo Y axis

[patent stream]

Eh 64/3/2016 imo are all leagues better

[flint flame]

That’s a new one, albeit kinda true

[strange gale]

i reiterate, the only form of control you have over vertical aiming is walking backwards so a given target goes back into the invisible 30 degree autoaim cone, literally just walking backwards, no actual aiming involved

this is really fuckin jank when something is right in front of you on a staircase, just a couple steps lower, so you can't hit it with anything other than splash damage

[patent stream]

Hmmm the only way I can see this happening would be if you grabbed a limb as you ran past and ripped it off based on the direction you input before you hit glory kill

[warm thistle]

The creator of doom said something along the lines of "The story of doom is like the story of a porno movie, its there but isnt really needed" I think the same should apply to eternal. In 2016 there was some lore but not a lot, in eternal it feels like reading the 5th book in a series as your starter book. You have no idea what's going on and who the characters are

[flint snow]

Oh god I hope this isn't gonna turn into another DMC5 moment where fans of DMC5 start shitting on it randomly

[patent stream]

Nah I’ve been saying it for months

[azure oriole]

Carmack later reiterated that what he said was wrong, though.

[warm thistle]

Oh mb

[azure oriole]

u see this was during a time when story in games didnt rlly feel significant especially in FPS before a little title called Half-life came along telling stories within its gameplay

^^

and other games ofc

Most stories in older games were just text or a cutscene cinematic

In 1993 they didn't have the resources or expertise to actually tell a narrative within a game outside of text. It wasn't that they disliked storytelling in games, it's moreso that having it wasn't worth the effort and compromised the game.

The idea of story telling in gameplay wasnt heard of till it finally was invented

John Carmack later, IIRC, directed Doom 3, which is the most lore-heavy game in the series.

[flint snow]

What baffles me is we can have the unmaykr and bfg in the base game together and it consumes the same ammo charges but we not dare have the Hammer in the base game lmao

[azure oriole]

I'll defend Doom 3 with my life forever, but man, I see absolutely no universe where Doom 3 comes close to touching Eternal. Nor 64

@warm thistle its more so doom isnt exactly what it used to be. Its more about what it needs to be in order to maintain relevency to a modern audience who has never played a doom game

[flint snow]

Although if I'm being honest I understand why, it'd just trivialise marauder fights even further into mundaneness and obscurity

[patent stream]

Oh don’t worry about the universe my friend. We got multiverse now ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[warm thistle]

That makes a lot of sense actually

[patent stream]

I still think this is kinda bs on the relevance for the audience cuz doom 2016 did it very very very well and eternal only had to expand on it instead of changing as much as it did

[flint snow]

Is there a mod that plays the bonk sound effect when using the hammer or when glory killing the doom hunter by splitting his head open?

[azure oriole]

agreed. Its about improving a formula and not changing it

[patent stream]

Not that I’m saying you are wrong of course, I can definitely see tons of stuff done to expand the audience. Like the game being much more cartoony cuz Hugo said he wanted his kid to be able to play

[azure oriole]

identity in games are important

however some games id discuss are kinda eh? cause a game like fallout the series has changed from what it was to what is now

[patent stream]

So clearly the game was also set to target a younger audience. Even if imo it woulda been better to head into the darker aestehtic that 2016 was nailing

[warm thistle]

Fr

[azure oriole]

Consider: 2016's focus on gameplay over story as well as Doomguy consistently ignoring the story in 2016 was less what Doom "needed" to be and moreso simply a breath of fresh air in a time where shooters were getting stagnant and focused on shitty ultra-gritty military propaganda plots.
Doom 2016 still had to sell itself to people. Eternal did not, so it has more room to do whatever it wants to.

[patent stream]

And let’s not forget the very very very fun birds and stun sound the marauder makes that has no option to turn off

[azure oriole]

It was what Doom needed to reiterate itself in its comeback. It is not what Doom must remain being forever, though.

[flint snow]

Eternal isn't perfect by any means, there are still things I would tweak or make additions to just so that our kit feels more utilised outside of merely combat

[azure oriole]

doom eternal def sold itself to people very well for doing what it wants.

[patent stream]

I think my biggest gripe with eternal is it really doesn’t feel like 2016 2

It feels more like a spin off. Especially with the tag stuff.

[flint snow]

Like being able to enemy step off of an enemy that can be jumped onto

[azure oriole]

it feels like Skyrim and Doom had a child.

[azure oriole]

What I moreso mean is - Doom 2016 did not have a guaranteed audience. There was room for commercial failure, and 2016 came close to fucking that up before finding its way in development. Eternal did have a guaranteed audience.

[patent stream]

Quake

Eternal is leaning into quake

[azure oriole]

it reminds me of when Bungie changed halo's gameplay in Reach almost feeling like a Prototype for what is now DESTINY

[flint snow]

Going back to 2016 after playing Eternal for so long is boring and feels like I'm doing something illegal.

[azure oriole]

If Eternal is what Quake is gonna be. It def has me invested.

So as much as I get fans preferring 2016's style of tone and storytelling, I personally do not. I think it would not have been sustainable for the larger "epic" the writers at id wanted to tell, and I personally feel like Eternal is a bit more comfortable with itself in that regard.

[patent stream]

I’m probably not gunna touch eternal again. From the storage size and etc.
my only complaint with 2016 is it feels like the first game in a series. So it doesn’t push as far as it could. Which is what doom 2016 2 woulda done, which didnt happen

[flint snow]

No joke I booted up 2016, saw a hellknight jump down my throat and instinctively pressed circle to dash away, ended up fucking ducking like a knobhead

[azure oriole]

i did like the Actions speak louder than words. Like 2016's intro when doom guy looks at the dead body. When the environment tells a story. Eternal imo def does it still to a great extent with its beautiful environments

Environmental storytelling is better in Eternal than 2016 at least to me

[flint snow]

Also UN feels harder in 2016 than in Eternal??

[patent stream]

The biggest thing I wanted and was looking forward to.

Were the “standalone” tag expansions.

Happy nice 30gb expansion I can put on my deck and play on beautiful environments

Expect what’s this? The standalone is not actually standalone. And instead I need to download the entire 90gb game? Forced battlemode install too? Ehhhhhhh

[outer sable]

Wha happening

[patent stream]

Battlemode server

[flint snow]

Could also just invest in better hardware

[outer sable]

Is the battlemode download even big

[azure oriole]

could invest in sum b- sorry the voices

[patent stream]

Pray tell which issue here involves better hardware?

[flint snow]

90gb is peanuts for multi TB storage these days

[azure oriole]

Make no mistake, 2016 does it great. It's moreso just - the writers at id intended to craft a narrative for Doom that spans its entire series, touching on all of the games in a meaningful way and tying the franchise together into one cohesive plotline about the Doom Slayer and his fight against Hell.
That vision - I do not believe it would've been feasible to do had Eternal continued 2016's trend of "always first person cutscenes, the Slayer doesn't give a SHIT about plot".

[patent stream]

Oh man 90gb is peanuts? I bow down to your storage superiority oh grand pc wizard

[azure oriole]

I don't think Eternal handles this perfectly. But overall it's more fitting for the direction Doom went in, and I prefer it.

[azure oriole]

my real concern for a grounded experience is how "generic" it might come off if the story didnt go the way eternal did

[flint snow]

I'm on ps4 you knob

[azure oriole]

im not shooting the idea down of a grounded doom story. Its more so how many times ive heard Evil corporation messes with Ancient technology with unforseen consequences

[patent stream]

Oh man a ps4? Teach me the ways of the console oh grand sorcerer supreme. Enlighten me on the minuscule amount of 90gb

[azure oriole]

and guy wakes up and has to save the day

[flint snow]

Just buy a 1TB external hard drive, not that hard

[outer sable]

Bro that's expensive ong

[flint snow]

It's like £60 from argos

[patent stream]

Gee wiz. A 1tb external hard dive? Wowzers that’s absolutely brilliant. Dare I say immense big brained. I must follow thy teachings to the end of the earth?

[azure oriole]

That's the other thing - 2016 definitely feels a bit more generic in that regard.
I think too many people forget that 2016's plot is literally, beat-for-beat, a rehash of Doom 3's plotline.

[outer sable]

My point still stands, that's my yearly pay fr

[flint snow]

How are you getting less than my universal credit??

[patent stream]

I thank ye my kind flygon friend for teaching me all about the glory of external hard drives. I shall yearn to strive to higher altitudes where I can fly among your brethren and yearn for the glory

[flint snow]

2016 is 100gb

[patent stream]

60

[flint snow]

With the update its 100

[patent stream]

I just wanted tags downloaded I don’t want to bother with battlemode or campaign.

They said standalone dlc and tag sure as hell ain’t standalone

[azure oriole]

You play as a marine who must stop the forces of Hell from overtaking Mars and making their way to Earth. You are aided by an executive UAC staff, and the main antagonist is a rebel UAC researcher who is in cahoots with Hell. Said betrayer UAC researcher becomes a demon monster by merging with a demon lord, and you have to kick its ass.
Hayden / Swann. Olivia / Betruger. Imperatrix / Maledict.

[azure oriole]

ye doom eternal is a colorful game. Its like someone made Mario and turned it into M rated FPS

2016's story ain't original - in fact for the most part it's a worse version of Doom 3's story. Where it shines is how it's told, which helps to separate it from Doom 3 and establish the game as its own thing. That's cool, but it would not have been sustainable for this entire new plotline.

[patent stream]

I can’t wait for the jumble that will occur with whatever the next game is

[flint snow]

As much as I love the classic weapon designs, I unironically enjoyed 2016 plasma rifle

[azure oriole]

thats somethin i noticed is the easy transition it would feel in terms of gritty-ness from doom 3 to doom 2016

[patent stream]

I liked it too. It felt more practical

[azure oriole]

It's okay. I personally far prefer Eternal's Plasma Rifle

[patent stream]

In terms of shape and design

[azure oriole]

Love that boxy oversized gun shit. Feels right.

[flint snow]

And also moving parts my beloved

[patent stream]

Doom 3 plasma but modern

[azure oriole]

my only issue with it is i cant stop picturing it as the flamethrower elon musk used

[azure oriole]

Yeah. Having played and taken in Doom 3, it's very apparent how much 2016 takes from it. It's a big reason of why I prefer Eternal's story and tone - it's completely new for Doom as a whole while still feeling just like it in terms of Doom's origins.

[patent stream]

The biggest praise I’ll give eternal is environmental design. It’s maps are absolutely beautiful

They sort of explored the boneyards doom 2016 map in terms of design for eternals maps

I loved this kinda stuff

[azure oriole]

Doom eternal is one of the games that also truly is a wake up call for me in terms of UI design. I havent played a game in a while where the UI just splashes my face. Im so used to seeing Simple Lines and icons

Said it a bit too many times, but again:
Eternal's story essentially being a DND plot made by a bunch of 20-something nerds who wanted to harken back to the sci-fi action plots that inspired it, fits Doom perfectly, as the original game literally started from a DND plot made by a bunch of 20-something nerds who wanted to harken back to the sci-fi action plots that inspired it.
It is perfectly, completely, and wholly Doom.

im not sure if i HATE doom's ui or i love it because i havent seen this overcomplex stuff in a while

this isnt counting mw2 thats a streaming platform ui and objectively not even want to see it

Actually thats also another thing is people are prob so used to somethin like Call of duty's hud or such and oversimplicity it almost makes looking at DOOM eternal's HUD scary when i first played

[signal dirge]

one of the best maps in 2016 always come from the multiplayer. they are so much mor einteresting than the campaign's environments

[patent stream]

Yeah man the 2016 mp maps were absolutely beautiful

[idle cargo]

2016 levels having the same 3 colors

💤

[outer sable]

those same 3 colors were nice

[idle cargo]

Not really

[outer sable]

doom eternal maps still mid anyway

[idle cargo]

The enviornments in that game are so dull and dreary

[flint snow]

Doom Eternal is objectively more colourful

[outer sable]

litterally the only good doom eternal maps is the ones with maykr stuff ong

[idle cargo]

Doom Eternal is the only doom game is that is aesthetically pleasing consistently

Almost every other Doom game has environments that put me to sleep

[flint snow]

You only play battlemode shush

[outer sable]

bro what

[idle cargo]

Your opinions are trash xd. Imagine only playing battlemode.

[outer sable]

only the first map

[idle cargo]

Have you played the game moron

Almost all the levels look the same of 3 templates

[outer sable]

have you played doom eternal?

[idle cargo]

Mars, UAC Facility, Hell

[outer sable]

with the same dry maps with the same terrain

[idle cargo]

That is it

[idle cargo]

You have to be insane if you think Eternal's environments are dry

[flint snow]

I can name like 8 areas in eternal with unique aesthetics

[idle cargo]

That is way more than 3

[outer sable]

not dry in like wet, but they all look the same man

[idle cargo]

Ok you have literally never played the game

Thanks for confirming

[outer sable]

like its so gray bro

[idle cargo]

You are confirming even harder

Stop talking, you are clueless

[outer sable]

and not to mention even if the maps are worse, everything else in doom 2016 looks better

[idle cargo]

Different artstyles mate

[flint snow]

Urdak
World Spear
Nekravol 1 and 2
Exultia
Cultist Base
Reclaimed Earth
Blood Swamps

Literally all of these have objectively better design aesthetic and better level design overall than 2016

[idle cargo]

Eternal's graphics are objectively higher quality than 2016's

[outer sable]

and one is better than the other

[idle cargo]

By that I mean textures are high definition, etc

EnBee check DMs

Spirit literally joined this month 💀

[flint snow]

Let it be known that 2016 has the same level Level repeat itself

[outer sable]

what

[idle cargo]

I have been here way earlier than my current join date. I just rejoined after being inactive for a wihle

[flint snow]

And it's not even that good

[idle cargo]

Either you don't have eyes or you never played either game

I am starting to believe the latter

[outer sable]

i havent played it in 2 years but that has nothing to do with it

[idle cargo]

That has everything to do with it lmao

[outer sable]

you have 2 parts of the same looking map

[idle cargo]

You don't remember shit clearly

[flint snow]

Didn't you say earlieryou only bought Eternal last month?

[outer sable]

u confusing me with someone

[idle cargo]

Starting to think he never played the games in the first place

[outer sable]

i have bro fr

[flint snow]

Man's trolling if he thinks 2016 had a better colour pallette than Eternal

[outer sable]

bro i never said that, but it still looks better

[flint snow]

Fuck off with that lmfao

[idle cargo]

You think your trash opinion is objective lol

The objective truth is the exact opposite of what you are saying

Eternal has more colors, more environments, and better graphics by technicality

[outer sable]

nah man

even the doom 2016 weapons are better looking

[idle cargo]

Your bio perfectly describes you

"Stupid idiot who tries to be funny but isnt"

[outer sable]

and yours says nothing about you

[idle cargo]

Also 10/10 bio @flint snow "I'm sick of people bashing the utility of NFTs. The ease with which I can look at a profile, see their involvement with NFTs, and identify them as a blood sucking sociopath is revolutionary."

[flint snow]

Naturally

[idle cargo]

How is that an insult, its just a quote from a videogame I like

EnBee how is my Bio?

[outer sable]

its really not a insult man

[idle cargo]

You are saying like it is to counter me

Unless you are unaware I am calling you stupid by saying your bio is accurate

[outer sable]

i was showing how supeior mine is because it describes me ong

[flint snow]

Love it@idle cargo

[idle cargo]

Its a Discord Bio bro, it doesn't have to be a description of yourself

You can put anything you want in there

[outer sable]

cool

[flint snow]

This argument is nonsensical and I hate it

[outer sable]

doom 2016 still looks better

[idle cargo]

You are allowed to think that but

saying that Eternal has less diverse environments is objectively incorrect

I appreciate the artstyle of both games even if I roast 2016's levels a lot for being repetitive

[outer sable]

doom 2016 aint diverse but i like it man

[idle cargo]

Good for you I like it too 👍

[flint snow]

This is like those people who legitimately think that dmc5 is a shit dmc game

[idle cargo]

Its because it doesn't have that one DMC4 mechanic I think that apparently makes DMC4 ten billion times better than the other games

[flint snow]

Inertia?

[idle cargo]

I think so, I will have to check

Yeah that is it

[azure oriole]

someones malding

either way this arguement is kinda whack. if ur gonna hop on a channel and start tryna argue X game is better than Y. pretty uncool

[outer sable]

Malding your mother

[azure oriole]

thats rlly cool dude

[azure oriole]

Ya theres a reason why she isnt into u

but i digress. nobody cares abt petty complaints and argueing abt a virtual item half the time

[idle cargo]

Also on this

The perfect game does not exist and it never will

Sorry about an earlier message that I misread lol

[slow sigil]

But you can get pretty darn close

[idle cargo]

No you really can't. The perfect game debacle is stupid

There is always room to improve in a game, or anything for that matter.

Its also inherently unfair to games in general because almost every game aims to accomplish something different

I am sick of the "best game ever" debates. We can only really judge what the best games in a specific genre are and even then that becomes super subjective

A multitude of games even in the shooter genre can do the same amount of things really really well, but what they do well differs between each

Perfection is a lie, always strive to get better

[slow sigil]

You know what the word "close" means right

[idle cargo]

Yes I know what that means, and we will never be close

Every game has flaws, both minor and major. Whether those be subjective (the gameplay mechanics or the narrative don't appeal to you) or objective (the game frequently crashes, the story is filled with plotholes, etc) depends.

Perfection doesn't exist. Thats a great thing

There are always improvements to make

Especially as the technology we use to make games advances

Basically for a lot of games, the gap between a game's quality and what we see as "perfection" widens over time

[onyx nebula]

How can I remove the fps cap? Without synchronization, it's still stable 60. I wand to do quick switch

[slow sigil]

You can quickswitch on 60

[patent stream]

You can quick switch on 30

[idle cargo]

BTW Eternal is my favorite game of all time but I do have my own set of criticism for it

Listing some off now: The wall climbing is terrible, rapid fire weapons become obsolete when you learn to quickswap, a good amount of the bosses are bad, the writing is consistently garbage, Marauder is a boring enemy in almost all of his encounters, etc

Also I am very aware that Doom Eternal's general feel is very different from prior Doom games. I am fine with that as I like both approaches to Doom.

Also Horde Mode is not a real Horde Mode, screw that

Plus TAG 2 is terrible and anyone who likes it has poor taste or is just a moron

Blood Swamps is TAG 1 brainlet

[azure oriole]

you don't need to insult people yknow

[idle cargo]

See, proving my point

[idle cargo]

Some people deserve to be insulted

[azure oriole]

like you I guess

lmao

[idle cargo]

A shit DLC that should theoretically be almost impossible to like

[azure oriole]

in your opinion

[idle cargo]

Its not my opinion though. TAG 2 is inherently flawed from a game design and writing standpoint

[azure oriole]

doesn't mean it's impossible to still like it despite that

[idle cargo]

It gives you an easily rechargable tool that solves literally all of your problems

I distinctly remember an enemy encounter's conclusion just being a wave of imps and nothing else

[azure oriole]

it is what it is

[idle cargo]

That is no excuse

[azure oriole]

no need to insult people who enjoy it for what it is

[idle cargo]

So you enjoy eating feces, good to know

[azure oriole]

ok but, we aren't the devs

what is wrong with you

[idle cargo]

Doesn't exempt the devs from criticism

[idle cargo]

What is wrong with this community

[azure oriole]

okay yeah this is bait

[idle cargo]

Where did our standards go?

[idle cargo]

Feel free to gaslighting yourself into believing that lie

[azure oriole]

ok

it was a bit rushed but yeah looking back at it overall, it's nice

I just wonder where they'd go from there

[slow sigil]

"A bit"

Tag1 was a lil bit rushed
Tag2 has 2 months less of developing time

[azure oriole]

you get what I mean

[slow sigil]

Has it wrong way around, fixed

[idle cargo]

TAG 2 also destroyed what little comprehension existed in Doom lore

[azure oriole]

perhaps something like an anthology with time travel or something lol

[azure oriole]

I mean, to me it's still comprehensible even though it feels a bit disjointed, minus samuel hayden

[idle cargo]

Davoth is gonna destroy all reality but he's a cripple in a wheelchair in gameplay

[azure oriole]

regardless, everyone's entitled to their opinion

[idle cargo]

Slayer has to go get another macguffin to light up the Minecraft Beacon to get the Night Sentinels

[azure oriole]

if you hate doom so much why are you even here

[idle cargo]

I don't hate Doom, I fucking love Doom

Which is why I hate TAG 2 with such a passion

[azure oriole]

ok but why do you hate people for no reason

[idle cargo]

That DLC did immense damage to the series as a whole

[azure oriole]

tag 2 is just a game but you're insulting people for no reason

I myself don't think that it's that bad, I enjoy it looking back at it

[idle cargo]

Insulting people for no reason? Have you even played the DLC

[azure oriole]

yes

[idle cargo]

Then you must be blind

[azure oriole]

you think it's valid to insult people for liking stuff that you don't boo hoo

[idle cargo]

Its not as simple as I don't like it

It just is bad, that is an inherent trait of the product

[slow sigil]

Tag2 objectivally was terrible at launch

[idle cargo]

There is almost nothing to like it in anyways

[azure oriole]

okay, why are you insulting people

[idle cargo]

Except for a handful of things like background environments I guess

[slow sigil]

A skillbased game that after a fairly difficult campaign just gives you 3 walkthrough levels

[idle cargo]

Yeah exactly

[azure oriole]

you can hate it all you want but you have no right to prevent other people from enjoying it

[idle cargo]

The combat encounters themselves in TAG 2 are alright now for the most part but are quite mediocre in comparison to TAG 1 still

[azure oriole]

ok

you gonna stop?

[idle cargo]

Sure, I got a game to play anyways

[azure oriole]

good, enough grumping

[azure oriole]

anyway, I would love something like that to take us back into the night sentinel days or in between 2016 and eternal while still being a new game

maybe something like time travel could make it happen

I mean, doom isn't foreign to being silly like that lol

[strange gale]

that's crazy bro

[azure oriole]

lol

a man can dream

oh there's a channel for that

[azure oriole]

Just so you know, nobody finds this cool or attractive. You're coming off as a dick.

[azure oriole]

Yeah, this is cringe as hell, man. You can do better.

[flint snow]

Lmfao

[vital lintel]

[austere trellis]

Doom eternal am I right?

[serene fjord]

so true

[ruby epoch]

if i play Tag2 nightmare i get gold gun rewards right

[azure oriole]

then is there a “good” game

the best games are mostly those we take heavy influence that games use now

[onyx nebula]

Oh, again i cant do anything

[azure oriole]

Your take is merely based on a broad technical concern and not really looking for yourself and realize the best game isnt something that has more but something that impacts the industry overall

And thats what differentiates from my own personal opinions on what is a stellar game and an actual innovation powerhouse to begin with

[azure oriole]

and this is just really an opinion and not really people sucking up to games making low quality products.

This is a paid DLC and not necessarily a full launch of a title

[young mango]

What happened here😭😭

[azure oriole]

And i dont think anyone expected somethin like Destiny 2 where dlc is like a HUGE expansion to its game

The dlc boosted players +30,000 players on steam charts. than what it was already averaging 1,000 after its initial launch sense thats kinda normal for a Single-player game

[azure oriole]

Gators being very silly.

Anyway TAG2 was a great and fun time, and being a stuck-up dork about how much you dislike it will not convince anyone who likes it, not to.

[young mango]

TAG2 was fun, I liked the hammer, even if it was OP as hell

[azure oriole]

saying it ruined the franchise’s track record is pretty exaggerated

considering this is just a DLC out of the base game

[azure oriole]

I prefer it to the Crucible

[young mango]

The crucible is one of those things that seems cool in concept but is not very practical

[azure oriole]

I just feel like I'm cheating whenever I use it. Same with the BFG

[azure oriole]

i kinda just see it as a “ya its cheating but damnit its cool”

not to mention the only melee weapon besides the Crucible is the chainsaw

and ig your own Blade from ur forearm on glory kills, and blood punch

[tulip escarp]

So the crucible is basically the chainsaw? Or is the chainsaw also in eternal?

[azure oriole]

The crucible is basically “i hate arch-villes”

[tulip escarp]

I’m currently playing through doom 2016 and I’m so excited to play eternal because I’ve heard it’s just a flat out amazing game

But I need to 100% the story mode at least in 2016

[azure oriole]

because Dashing into enemies is considered damage input. Let me add a bayonnet to weapons and weaponize the mechanic

when people find all these whacky unintentional things in doom its fun when they become actual mechanics in a game

[azure oriole]

The chainsaw is changed from 2016.

In Eternal you outright have to use it like every minute since it's your main method of replenishing ammo. You regenerate your first chainsaw pip passively, so you can chainsaw Fodder very fast.

[young mango]

I will admit while it was a good decision to nerf the chainsaw I thought the super heavy kills were really cool in 2016

[azure oriole]

The Crucible on the other hand is meant to be a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Has three charges, charges are rare, use it to immediately eviscerate a demon, even the strongest ones.

[young mango]

Except for doom hunters apparently

[tulip escarp]

So does that mean ammo is a little more scarce than it is in 2016? Because I just max out ammo asap and I never run out of super shotgun ammo

[azure oriole]

ye

[azure oriole]

It's much more scarce. You also have way less max ammo.

u can upgrade tho. unless ur doing a mile stone for “cant beat perfection”

Like even upgraded your max amount of shotgun shells is only 24 IIRC

a weird thing to note. Doom 2 berserk comes up a lot?

I swear ive only used berserk like twice in Eternal

WDYM?

[tulip escarp]

Berserk is cool but it’s not really necessary, I never really notice powerups in 2016

[azure oriole]

How often does the berserk power-up appear in eternal

[azure oriole]

Like twice, yeah.

Berserk in the original games was completely different and showed up all the time.

[slow sigil]

three times in base campaign IF you count master levels

[young mango]

Once in the main campaign

[slow sigil]

but 2 of those are in the exact same spot and arc ML isnt really that special so uhhhh

[azure oriole]

ARC Complex ML suuucks.

[young mango]

Well I feel like they really embraced the “post campaign difficulty,” it was basically just like final sin

[slow sigil]

it was a lil bit easier though

[young mango]

Yea, but sometimes you want a relaxed experience

I also have a fond memory of it because it’s the first time I beat anything on nightmare

[slow sigil]

then it shouldnt be called a MASTER level if they baby you in it

[azure oriole]

i liked when doom games kinda surprised with random enemies appearing from a wall sliding down the first time

[slow sigil]

it should be idk relaxation levels in that case

[young mango]

Well that’s just a verbal technicality

[azure oriole]

few moments in doom 2 they just throw a lot of enemies at u and u manage to take em all out just fine

it just looked overwhelming

and i liked the illusion that u seem like an underdog

[jovial bear]

does anyone have beginner tips or good beginner videos for eternal? the deluxe edition on the ps store is on my budget because of a sale that ends next month and i think ill be able to get it before its offsale

[azure oriole]

What I mean is it's boring as hell.

[young mango]

Yea, sadly

lol wat…

[azure oriole]

if u ever feel useless remember. The base melee exists

[outer sable]

Bro that's useful

Mastery

[jovial bear]

wait isnt hell demon prison, and the slayer is just a very cruel guard thats not in trouble in any way, shape, or form?

[young mango]

It’s legit super easy you won’t be mastering anything

[azure oriole]

hes talkin weapon mastery

[outer sable]

I mean like weapon masteries

[azure oriole]

then again i did all mine in certain levels of the game

[outer sable]

I did it for my ssg

[young mango]

Mission select

[azure oriole]

U do know cheats can still be used as well. ripitorium is meh

Honestly just play TAG1 ocean base to master stuff

with infinite ammo cheat it makes it easier

Oh you mean the actual mastery challenges

I thought you meant just getting better

Do u get anything for beating all those Timed challenges

[nocturne lynx]

The problem is that they should’ve been more than that.

[azure oriole]

Weapon points

[jovial bear]

i watched alot of videos of tag1, and im 80% sure its not the best way to master stuff, id just replay the most easiest level in the base game continously until i master EVERYTHING

[azure oriole]

well i still got all the weapon points finished and missing 1 on Urdak. do i have to complete every timed challenge? for a specific reward maybe?

I don’t believe you get anything other than a milestone

[nocturne lynx]

I can get most mods mastered in a normal run.

[azure oriole]

its like pretty sure u get phobos if u complete One life mode but u can just play on easy difficulty

[nocturne lynx]

I don’t believe so but it might be worth checking the Milestones just in case.

[azure oriole]

i did check and there wasnt any for completing all of those Times challenges

i just wondered what they even offer to the player

[nocturne lynx]

Then you’re good.

There’s leftovers of everything bar Mastery Tokens.

[azure oriole]

The only challenges im missing is Cant beat perfection, the Phobos, and Gold skin milestones

[nocturne lynx]

First two aren’t really that bad, just take a while.

UN is only a problem early-game, after DHB the main problem is gonna be your nerves.

[azure oriole]

i just wanna complete the Base campaign milestones i dont rlly care too much for Horde mode, tag, or Battlemode

unless im motivated cause i have free time

i do wanna get Gold shotgun tho

so theres a lot to do for me atm

[nocturne lynx]

Battlemode kinda requires boosting due to the low health and ‘kill the Slayer immediately after respawning’ Milestones.

Combat Shotgun’s the only one that’s actually hard to get, the rest can be cheesed via Cheat Codes and NM "TAG 2" is a cakewalk compared to the SGN ML on NM in general.

[azure oriole]

how do u get the other gold weapons

combat shotgun is obviously shown but idk what the others are

[nocturne lynx]

Beat the "TAG 2" maps on NM for everything bar the BFG, which requires beating all Escalation Encounters.

The point is that you can and even if you do it legit they’re drastically easier to get compared to the golden Combat Shotgun.

[slow sigil]

the gold skins dont look all that great, and then they made it deadeasy to get aswell

[nocturne lynx]

The SSG one is fantastic and I’ll die on that hill.

[crimson forge]

I remember they gave the ballista a skin specifically to showcase ray tracing

[young mango]

Yep this reminds me of the time I had all the gold weapons except for combat shotgun

[azure oriole]

[nocturne lynx]

Not much of a brag considering "Eternal" is apparently the only modern AAA game that’s actually optimised well; "Forspoken’s" recommended specs include having a 3090 for iirc 1440p 30 FPS.

[azure oriole]

would enjoy more customization on weapons. An idea for some skins to change the model + art work on top

maybe have Charms or CSGO-like stickers on them. also effects

Just kinda go crazy with weapon cosmetics

I like the gauss cannon than the ballista

What’s up, Slayers?

It could be dope having alt models for guns, like swapping out Ballista for Gauss Cannon.

Or having the older version of 1993 bfg

Hell, Classic Super Shotgun with the Eternal Super Shotgun!

or just make it pixel like as it was

That would be charming!

be funny with its goofy one frame animations

Classic reload animations? Yes!

somethin i enjoy abt id’s games is the references towards previousbgames

[crimson forge]

I mean they have classic weapon position settings, I think they also might have classic weapon sounds with the deluxe edition but idk where that is

[azure oriole]

an idea i also had was the demon cosmetics in battlemode can appear in Campaign

[jovial bear]

well it could work, but it will only work for demons that are playable in battlemode, so pain elementals, revenant, maruders, mancubi, archviles, and dread knights will be the only demons in the story mode with cosmetics, and with my knowledge about the game, you dont really see alot of those enemies in the story mode, so wahts the point of having demon cosmetics for story mode but for only a few demons, and i doubt that they will make 100+ cosmetics for all the demons in the game

[azure oriole]

its fine if its just for the playable demons. They appear somewhat enough. maybe not Marauders and Arch-viles but it would mean the rest of the game ig isnt littered with crazy-ness

Hello guys, does anyone knows why i cant enable dlss on doom eternal settings. My gpu is rtx2070s, i can use ray tracing, but cant use dlss lol

[glossy warren]

grenades, 1 rocket remote detonate should be enough to kill them

[azure oriole]

Playing 2016-Eternal without classic weapon position is heresy BTW.

[crimson forge]

I do it for fun using the Classic shotgun skin and the 93 Doomguy outfit

[young mango]

I stopped using classic weapon pose cuz it legit felt like I was quick swapping slower, I know it’s probably placebo but idk

[toxic island]

Good evening))))

[glossy warren]

oh my b

uh usually the possesses are always present, I'd just kill off the other fodder demons unless you're tearing through your ammo

[azure oriole]

till u play master levels and realize little people need removal first

masterlevels send way more enemies than u’d expect. And sense yk enemies have peak aim. ur not gonna run out of armor or health when theres a lot of em

[crimson mesa]

Wait to flame belch until you see a pool of fodder (3 or more) and light em all up. Then hit them with a grenade, a remote det rocket, or a sticky bomb to the ground and maximize the amount of armor you get for a single deploy.

I hear ya. Sticky bombs, precision bolt, and plasma rifle work well for me but I don't use the chrono strike rune

[copper goblet]

Do we know how doom guy got this fortress? I dont get it

[slow sigil]

he knew where one was from his day with the sentinels

[azure oriole]

It's his. He's owned it basically since he became the Slayer, and he most likely used it during those eons the Slayer's Testament describes.

[azure oriole]

tbh be cool if we knew what happened between 2016 and eternal in some cutscene than just codex. it rlly was Jarring but in somewhat a cool overwhelming way

[copper goblet]

Thank you. Do you think they ever make a game between the timetable of 2016 and eternal?

[crimson mesa]

If you're early in the game, Equipment fiend is very helpful. I personally use air control and savagery

[azure oriole]

IIRC they implied there may be a comic explaining that. I'm not sure.

I think they also said that the next game would elaborate on it

You can infer the general idea of what happened but that's it.

[flint snow]

As much as I like Eternal, the start of the game gave me whiplash when I first played, literally 0 context given as to how we escaped hell after 2016

[azure oriole]

Yeah

[flint snow]

I feel like a tutorial section that acted as an interlude between 2016 and Eternal, introducing us to Eternal's mechanics would have been useful

[slow sigil]

it's called playing eternal

[crimson mesa]

Equiment Fiend: Enemies killed by equipment or while under the influence of equipment will decrease the recharge time. So kill them with a grenade while they're frozen or inflamed and it'll reduce the charge time

[flint snow]

I don't want to be bogged down in tutorials I want to play the game

[azure oriole]

It's pretty clearly Hell, probably.

[flint snow]

Yeah but would it have killed them to give us something that explained how we escaped and framed it as a tutorial for combat and exploration? That way we can play Eternal without tutorials popping up breaking the pace of the game

[slow sigil]

i mean the other option is having nothing at all which is uhhh yeah

[flint snow]

They can be turned off true but why am I teleported to a room to use it when I could just use it in the level itself and learn that way?

[azure oriole]

fun fact, doomguy can beat goku

[flint snow]

You get teleported to a room for the chainsaw, ice bomb, blood punch, flame belch, meathook grapple and sentinel hammer

Also the welcome message in the menu, is irritating

Every mew playthrough it appears and takes too long to leave, I wish we had an option to disable it

[slow sigil]

mods:

[flint snow]

Console moment

[azure oriole]

ha

[flint flame]

No?

For doom 2 you get one of the classic marine skins

Bronze was part of an event that’s probably on the dlc store page now

I think it was precious metals but I’m not sure

[azure forum]

It recharges Blood punch though

I don't know, i use bp quite often, but you do you

[azure oriole]

This is just an outright lie

[azure forum]

So you go full oonga boonga on cyber mancs and DHunters then?

[sacred dirge]

18fps!!! Jesus man!

It is very useful with quad damage or berserk. Good times

[azure forum]

Well, I'm just saying, it makes it easier to kill them plus BP has the added benefit of hard faltering which is great to combo out demons.

Get better son

Wasn't melee pretty bad on 2016 Anyways? Or are you just refering to being able to set zombies to GK easily?

Well, you do you son 👍

[tight phoenix]

Hello

Everyone

[sacred dirge]

Hey of you're having fun then it doesn't matter

[azure oriole]

Ur all wrong. Angry birds is the better doom game

[sacred dirge]

Doom 3 is either love or hate with doom fans. There is no inbeetwen

[azure oriole]

its pretty hard sometimes to find ur way through maps sometimes

Why i dont mind eternal being more Linear besides Gore nest

[indigo juniper]

hello its me the mancubus

[azure oriole]

[azure oriole]

start running…

[indigo juniper]

do i look like i can run

[azure oriole]

Does it look like i care

[indigo juniper]

the most movement i can do is boost upward

[azure oriole]

start runnin

[indigo juniper]

no no

[azure oriole]

considering ur in places that are open, thats why the levels feel open

2016 u were in either hell or a UAC station.

[indigo juniper]

my arm cannons is badly manufacturer

[azure oriole]

It makes sense ur not in open areas

its like doom 2 was more open cause u were on earth

[indigo juniper]

i traded my hands for some high tech gun that can be destroyed by a small bomb

[azure oriole]

considering most of these demons are big. it be hard to wanna fight an arachatron, mancubus, and Pain elementals in a hallway cause they wouldnt fit

[indigo juniper]

eternal is pro cos im refurbished and my head looks better now

[azure oriole]

like i dont rlly wanna rely on hiding behind cover. i feel doom isnt that kind of game

[small shale]

Ur complaining that eternal is more complex

[keen trout]

Yo

[azure oriole]

yes but theres a specific flow doom games offer that isnt just like a slower pace tactical shooter

Every game ever can be played with shootin behind cover heck every game does

Its more so u can play doom the way u want already.

[small shale]

Weapon switching for different enemies since you have more than three guns to choose from and hella enemies

[azure oriole]

u dont have to play fast and u dont have to play Ultra nightmare

[small shale]

Ye

[azure oriole]

U dont have to learn to do fast weapon swaps or combos

[small shale]

Bros too young to die

[azure oriole]

tbh if every weapon was equal effectiveness

why would u swap weapons at all

[small shale]

Yah

[azure oriole]

this is called Sandbox redundancy.

[small shale]

Bro just wants a basic shooter

[azure oriole]

if every gun is useful, why does doom need to hand u 7 other guns

this is why i dont praise call pf duty campaign’s gameplay. ur firing a gun that any can be just as effective

[small shale]

If u want a basic shooter just sat it

[azure oriole]

thats what eternal does but more extreme

ur point is the why doom eternal is the way it is

every weapon has a role.

its not bad its more so hard to compete in a market of shooters that are already like call of duty

Again some games sticking with their identity is important

which is why halo infinite’s gameplay is the way it is

Either that or it was halo 5. halo 5 wasnt bad its the fact it isnt the halo “Dance”

Doom at least improved bringing back the fast pace and tons of demon veriety and weapon sandbox