doom-eternal

[slow sigil]

Anything above 2 marauders plays out the EXACT same

[brittle quest]

Yeah, it's just explosive spam with occasional restacking. The Courtyard in TN ML, hell even Arc ML requires more skill.

And it's even worse now since the devs nerfed sticky explosions against marauders, so it'll take even more time.

[red bane]

https://youtu.be/VHAbWmKpRec

[primal acorn]

Bruh

[heady sage]

I just finally faced a marauder the proper way (yeah I’m new to eternal). I don’t get the hype. Just shoot it twice with double barrel when it flashes green x5

All the talk of marauder hate had me nervous and I cheesed them with rockets until now

[slow sigil]

there is no real hype

people just hated him cause you had to kinda think using 1% of your brain and not just mindlessly shoot

and then people who found the mara ok fiercely defended him

[heady sage]

Yeah that’s exactly it. It was so easy I thought “are people just mad bc you can’t spam ammo?”

[strange gale]

1 parry into guaranteed kill

[burnt moss]

We’re mad because you have to fight him on his terms, and those terms are written by a concussed 50-year-old AI with daddy issues.

[heady sage]

I still haven’t played online multiplayer. I know I’m going to get slaughtered regardless but I think finishing campaign might be a good idea

I want that doom 64 pack with the stage 🙏

[slow sigil]

well i mean people are also mad for the opposite reason

they are too easy and just kinda annoying

[heady sage]

It’s not my favorite. I find them annoying when there’s a lot of other enemies around. But I guess like all of Doom you just keep moving and chip away at them when you can

[burnt moss]

Except when there’s infinite spawning heavies around it, and then a second Marauder spawns.

[heady sage]

I’m only on the 9th level don’t tell me that’s going to happen later

[quick grove]

I love the marauder so much

[slow sigil]

nah that's only in the challenge levels mostly

[quick grove]

Second best enemy, after the doom hunter

[heady sage]

Hard to not say cacodemon. Been with me almost my whole life

Iconic diva

[quick grove]

Cacodemons: the iconic doom enemy

[burnt moss]

Base game doesn’t get that bad

[heady sage]

Yeah it’s fair. Once I got used to the ammo=chainsaw, glory kill=health, fire belch=armor system it’s pretty much same as 2016. Even the nests aren’t too bad

I had more trouble with the 2016 quick unlock ruins things

[burnt moss]

YOU GUYS I have an idea for absolutely optimal controls. Left hand Azeron keyboard right hand custom nunchuck (with gyro and added buttons)

[heady sage]

I’d try it 🤷‍♂️

[burnt moss]

Idk if they sell a nunchuck or handgun-shaped controller with gyro

[flint flame]

Optimal controls

[flint flame]

Wii remote

[burnt moss]

I def don’t want Wii quality. I want that sort of shape. With one or two triggers and a joystick to be held in one hand.

Looks like Play Station has a nunchuck type thing; unclear on whether it can be used separately for gyro controls.

[tropic perch]

honorary Doom music

[gloomy vapor]

oh, shoot
the doom gate I did didn't count
I didn't see any key to grab; I might've quit prematurely
welp, time to repeat 🥹

[crisp bronze]

doom keeps freezing

idk if im running out of ram or smth

afaik there is no way to tell the crash reason

ig ill lower graphics

[burnt moss]

The key spawns in place of the gore nest when it explodes

[azure oriole]

my opinion, as an old doomer there is too much platform ... in eternal

[brittle quest]

You might be running out of Vram, set it to 1.5 gigs lower than your limit.

[crisp bronze]

yeah thats most likely what it is
i think its already around that

[burnt moss]

As a new doomer OG Doom is too 2-dimensional

[gilded wharf]

there is a lot of platforming in eternal. It's a definite tone shift compared to 2016/older games, because there's a lot more verticality in the environment.
At least you have a lot more movement options between dash, meathook, ballista boost, etc., and falling is not an instant death like in 2016. Losing UN runs to gravity was so awful

I find the air control rune makes the platforming way less frustrating. Kind of annoying that you have to give up a rune slot for it but the ability to airstrafe is totally worth it

[azure oriole]

@burnt moss then it's not scary, it's just fun, in this I find doom3 better for the atmosphere

[burnt moss]

I didn’t buy doom because I wanted to be scared; I bought Mick Gordon’s soundtrack with a game attached

[gloomy vapor]

when will I be safe to quit? right after I pick up the key?

[burnt moss]

Yes. Pick up the Empyrean key and then you’re safe

[azure oriole]

@burnt moss ok

[burnt moss]

Although the Master Levels scare me stiff

[azure oriole]

ok I'll try them

[burnt moss]

Just to clarify, they’re scary because they’re hard; they do not have a different atmosphere.

[midnight sparrow]

SGN Master Level day 1 launch

[warped sage]

try the SSG-ballista combo

or pb-rocket

[strange gale]

that's crazy bro

[flint flame]

No one has ever done that in the history of doomy turnal!!

[dry pilot]

Just finished the game lol

[midnight sparrow]

Congrats! Thoughts?

[sacred dirge]

Try microwave beam

[dry pilot]

This game is insaneeeee like really it's a visual and musical masterpiece

sorry im french and yk my english is not that good :(((

but i was stuck on mission 9, taras nabad or smth like that this is by far the hardest level x)

[primal acorn]

What

Why do so many foreigners say this. Like literally you said perfectly valid english.

[primal acorn]

Same m8, i haven’t finished the game yet though. Waiting to recover first before getting back into it

[midnight sparrow]

Glad to hear you liked it. If you liked Eternal I highly suggest The Ancient Gods expansion

[pale zodiac]

how much do u rate this game out of 10, like how much u rate music, playstyle lore etc...

[sullen imp]

Man I wish there was a mod or a future buff for the tyrant

If it could only attack like when it's affected by the buff totem but on normal circumstances it would be nice. A damage buff also...

Is there a mod that brings back the rapid fire for the arachnatron?

[heady sage]

Does that work?

[heady sage]

👏 I’ll be there in a couple days. On level 10

[static trout]

tag1 best

But tag2 is still pretty good, just less difficulty

[high igloo]

Doom shoot shoot

[midnight sparrow]

TAG1 is great yeah

[primal acorn]

Final boss

Woo yes its time for the doom music to kick in

[quartz dust]

Is there a way to stop the game from trying to reconnect to the internet every time it boots up and in loading screens

My wifi just went down and every loading screen is taking like 5 minutes longer then it should

[magic marsh]

Samur

[midnight sparrow]

Fuck his final phase

[magic marsh]

I still get ptsd from the possessed pain elemental

[sacred dirge]

It does. But way better ways to kill it

Just falter and then get behind it and beam to stop the shield from popping up

[icy ice]

Full unmakyr clip should bring it to near glory-kill state

But yea the 4th and final phases of Samur are tough

[ionic vine]

I just got DOOMicorn

[primal acorn]

Nice

[azure forum]

👍

[burnt moss]

Who’s dooming tonight

[final rose]

i'm dooming hard

i would doom online, but i doom on the switch and no one is online for the switch doom, so i doom alone

[azure oriole]

I’ve been Dooming 3

[burnt moss]

What level and difficulty you playing?

[azure forum]

I'm dooming

[azure forum]

But we doom on switch

[final rose]

usually, i'm playin on hurt me plenty and i've beat the campaign a few times
i wanna play battlemode but i can't!

[burnt moss]

UV is fun, maybe try that?

[azure forum]

No switch online pass?

[final rose]

i do have switch online, it's just no one is ever online to fight me in doom eternal XD

[azure forum]

Yeh takes time to find matches sometimes. I'm actually playing a match on switch

[final rose]

so it's actually possible?! in that case, i shall try again

i'm prepared to lose though because i haven't done a match in a long time
i may be fine if i'm the slayer but if i'm the demon, nahhhh

[azure forum]

People play usually at nights or during the weekends

[final rose]

yee, i've noticed
i also tried playing doom 2016 online and that just didn't work at all lol
i think next time the game goes on sale, i'll buy it for a few friends if it's cheap enough

[burnt moss]

Which continent though haha

[azure forum]

😂 America, USA time usually around this time (10pm EST)

Ypu can find Europeans at around noon EST time I guess

I've been playing for the last couple of hours I'd say. It was fairly active an hour ago or so

[primal acorn]

I’m ready to do this

Finishing my first ever play through of any doom game

[final rose]

have fun!

[primal acorn]

For you… Fight is… eternal

My god SO FREAKING AWESOMMEEEE

Well thats the end to my NM play through

And first ever play through of any doom games. This is a moment to remember

[solar field]

Congratulations slayer:)

You now sit amongst us as slayers

[primal acorn]

I am honoured. I’ll hold my title with pride as a fellow slayer

[azure forum]

The DLCs and master levels are waiting for you son

[primal acorn]

Dlc time

Since i got them free might as well play em

[crimson lark]

anyone up for eternal co op?

[civic spire]

Is me forgetting the rocket launcher exists a bad thing?

[burnt moss]

🥳🎉🔥

[burnt moss]

Nah I didn’t use it much on my first several run throughs I don’t think. But LOB is fantastic.

Doom 3 just makes me angry.

[azure oriole]

I just finished that game. Loved it.

[primal acorn]

Nice

[burnt moss]

I have low tolerance for a game with scarce resources. Bunch a imps spawn and I’m at 2 health with no machine gun ammo. Not fucking fun.

[azure oriole]

I’m a survival horror guy, I’m used to moments like that haha

[flint flame]

Cmon Jesus, you should know to use all your guns

[burnt moss]

It makes the rest of the time bad though. I’m fine getting punished for dying, but the ongoing punishment of having low/no resources decreases the quality of the gameplay.

[azure oriole]

I played the BFG version, since that’s all there is on Xbox. Ammo is totally different on that version.

[burnt moss]

I’m on Xbox. Am I playing the same version then?

[azure oriole]

The 2019 release on Xbox is the same as BFG. I sometimes had upwards of 5-600 ammo for some guns.

[burnt moss]

Keep in mind it’s my first run and the secrets are easily overlooked. What’s different about the version you and I play from the original?

BTW I think I’m already supposed to have the chainsaw but I don’t somehow

[azure oriole]

Yeah you definitely have to search every corner for ammo and health.

BFG is supposedly easier than the original. I wouldn’t know.

Flashlight is different, and there are a few less enemies I think.

[burnt moss]

Boo. It’s called a First Person Shooter, not First Person Searcher

[azure oriole]

It’s definitely a different take

[signal spear]

Ohayo eternal slayers

[heady sage]

Oof that last slayer gate ,followed by the beat the marauder in 30 seconds nest, followed by the pain elemental toy you have to get while dropping 🤦‍♂️

10 minute gauntlet

[heady sage]

That’s how I am with the chain gun. Almost never use it

[red bane]

Chain gun op against hell knight

Or all other heavy demon if you are in a 1v1 situation

Rocket launcher is core imo

It's your main source of damage in the early game before the balista

Very good against whisplash

Or to add more output damage with balista

Every weapons are useful.
The one i think is the less useful is the plasma rifle

Is there is no shield or doom hunter no point in using it

[slow sigil]

Have you ever heard of quickswapping

[red bane]

Yeah with the sniper

I am not skilled enough to use it

But it doesn't stop me from completing ultra nightmare

[slow sigil]

You can complete ultranightmare with only shooting like 5 times throughout the entire campaign 🤷‍♀️

[red bane]

Cap

🧢

[azure oriole]

Super Shotgun:

[warped sage]

I wonder if the devs will ever fix the issue of DOOM Eternal on multiple graphic cards. For now tho those who couldn't run the game due to that problem will have to stick to a work around.

[slow sigil]

I don't think eternal is gonna get any updates

[primal acorn]

The most op gun imo is the assault rifle

The one that shoots little rockets

[slow sigil]

Micro missiles is quite weak

Most op is probably chaingun solely cause of shield which is one of the most busted mods

Otherswise, rocket for lock on i think

[sacred dirge]

FA

[burnt moss]

Hey how do you kill a tyrant again?

[primal acorn]

Shoot it till it is dead

I spam my entire Arsenal

[primal acorn]

The shield is useful?

I never used that mod because i died using it

[slow sigil]

it's op even

[slow sigil]

theres still like 4 sources ingame that can go through in it

[reef scroll]

Rocket lock on usually work.

[brittle quest]

It won't work because there's no slash in the command and tilda is required to access the console

[opaque shore]

Holy shit

[jaunty vapor]

Damned pee

[opaque shore]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/yqjvzu/mick_gordon_posted_a_new_response_concerning_the/

[jaunty vapor]

Just finished reading the whole thing and came here with popcorn in hand to see the community implode 🍿

[opaque shore]

Same

Both the Reddit and discord mods have a lot to answer for

[cyan sorrel]

very interested to see how this plays out

[jaunty vapor]

I mean probably not. There's only 1 mention of a single mod, and it's not even like they did anything.

Leaving up the reddit post from Marty probably wasnt what anyone wanted, but I imagine most people would "cave" and let something like that stay when confronted by the head of a company for the thing you're involved in, etc.

Tbh this is pretty much just a lateral move where we at least got clarification from the "Mick vs id" situation. It doesn't exactly bring NEW conclusions, just affirms one of the previous conclusions.

Not trying to belittle the shittiness presented in his write up, just saying it's probably not going to do much.

[formal citrus]

I am so utterly shocked and disappointed right now.

[sullen meteor]

honestly this rather sounds like a "Bethesda threatened me so hard I don't know what to do" situation:

The moderator introduced himself and spoke about his love for the DOOM franchise and its fanbase. Along with the r/DOOM subreddit, he told me he also moderated the official DOOM Discord server.

I told him how Marty’s Reddit post had affected me deeply, both professionally and personally. It was a source of ongoing stress and harm, and I asked if he’d consider removing it.
Much to my relief, he instantly took it down.

But within 12 hours, the post was reinstated. The moderator blocked me on Discord and didn’t reply to my emails.

A few days later, Marty’s lawyers contacted me and said removing the Reddit post had greatly offended him. He was furious and made it clear in the strongest terms that an amicable resolution would be impossible.```

the moderator wanted to help, he just couldn't because "something" happened

[jaunty vapor]

Even if nothing happened it can't feel good/be easy to be caught between two different entities in something as serious as all that.

Whoever the mod was I wouldn't give any shit to them. I've seen mods acting "in their own interests" and shit, this is just someone trying to be helpful but getting way in over their head and not trying to stir the pot.

[keen gorge]

Right now there are signs they might scrub any posting about what Mick just said from the subreddit based on modspeak

[sinful tiger]

Jesus Christ. What the hell

[sullen meteor]

what's shocking to me after reading all this is... this man got Zenimax's lawyers to offer him hush money

[burnt moss]

No what did you tell me before?

[sinful tiger]

I hope they don't delete any mention of Mick's response on Reddit or here, this situation is depressing to read

[sullen meteor]

that fact alone basically confirms that enough of this is true and provable that yeah, if Mick had the time and resoucres he'd most likely win in court, and that's not me saying that, it's Zenimax's actions saying that

[keen gorge]

With the conditions being he must stop talking about it altogether while letting them continue to scapegoat him. Might as well say he needs to wear diapers in public.

[sullen meteor]

I sincerely hope that Marty will do a Bonnie Ross if this is all true tbh, would be better for the future of the studio

[vague ore]

what is the normal amount of beating doom eternal on nightmare?

[burnt moss]

Mick is the reason I played Doom Eternal at all. No way in hell I would have played it or any other Doom or even Nextgen game, without chasing his music. ID got money from me based on a neglected and abused resource of theirs.

[sullen meteor]

also: the part where Mick details the harassment he got is insane. I'm regularly ashamed of being part of the Doom community but that is next level stuff

[burnt moss]

Time wise?

[pallid osprey]

amount of time? 2-3 hours from my experience

[sullen meteor]

pretty sure he's not "just like that" but rather some factor enforced his behavior, most likely the whole "you get the soundtrack if you pre-order the CE" thing

[burnt moss]

I’m only partway through reading but everything described is just how the world works. Some call it “toxic” leadership, but it’s far more typical than good leadership.

[sinful tiger]

I mean, even at the beginning of development this was messed up

[sullen meteor]

it's bad management really, yeah, happens all the time

[acoustic grail]

I don't fucking know how to take this news...I love Mick Gordon. I love id Software. Why did this shit have to happen...? I wanna support both of them and that feels increasingly hard to do in good conscience

[burnt moss]

Welcome to the Machine.

[sinful tiger]

And we now have both sides of the story, since Marty posted that Reddit post. This is utterly depressing to read, especially the harassment Mick got from deranged fans. Six figures for taking the blame and destroy his reputation is insane and I'm glad Mick stood his ground and refused to accept that

[azure oriole]

I still believe Hugo, the developers, the artists and whatnot are still good. But Marty, man... was always kinda iffy to me. Never truly seemed genuine or enthusiastic about the game, at least in my eyes.

[jaunty vapor]

Reminder that "id software" is a large group of people, not just 5 people mentioned in the list or whatever.

[keen gorge]

He never really says any other name but Marty in it

Well, Chad.

[jaunty vapor]

I was exaggerating with 5. The point still stands

[acoustic grail]

Tbh this is where my mind is at as well

[jaunty vapor]

You can still ""support id software"' and rationalize that you're supporting the devs/artists/other workers on the ground level.

Tbh I'm usually apathetic about the whole "don't support blah" rationale, cause tbh that rabbit hole never ends.

[primal acorn]

TYRANT
COMBAT TIPS
PROTIP: To defeat a Tyrant, shout at it until it dies.

[keen gorge]

I didn't read it as him blaming all of id, but certainly why he wouldn't be involved with them again. Actually, all the insight about how much trouble the game was as a whole was something else

[primal acorn]

Bre i just noticed the typi

No wonder you kept saying to shout at it

[sinful tiger]

ayy, ghostface made a comment in the reddit post and then deleted it

[cyan sorrel]

was that the mod in question?

[jaunty vapor]

He specifically mentions at the beginning he mentions "I'd/Bethesda/zenimax" but that he's not referring to everyone that works there.

But that won't stop people from blaming everyone who works there KEKW

[maiden totem]

Damn poor Mick.

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/well-this-is-not-gonna-end-well-jacob-vargas-tony-ochoa-mr-iglesias-bad-ending-gif-17673943

[sinful tiger]

Dunno. Subthread was asking mods to pin the post and arguing that a witchhunt (referring to Marty's letter) is extremely bad. Ghostface replies:

Be nice. Discuss in a appropiate manner. That's all I'm asking <3```

And then get's dunked on and proceeds to delete the comment (and the account too, it seems)

[cyan sorrel]

ah

[full tinsel]

being nice is good, eh?

[cyan sorrel]

I hope everyone stays respectful

[jaunty vapor]

How dare you be nice and want people to discuss kindly

[full tinsel]

they asked and i replied. yes i have friends at bethesda. am i a shithead now for just asking folks to be nice?

[azure oriole]

In all seriousness, I hope that all parties involved will resolve this problem peacefully, it’s the “fans” that I’m worried

[sinful tiger]

I am not implying that, I just pointed out that they dunked you in the replies. Sorry if you see it that way

[full tinsel]

no no you're fine fam my answer was nothing personal ❤️

[primal estuary]

why is this whole affair public??

[jaunty vapor]

Legit though we know nothing of the mods situation. Half of Reddit comments are saying "mods in Bethesda's pocket" the other half saying "they were threatened with legal action" and neither of those have any basis/proof

[flint flame]

“Fans” is the correct way to describe them. It’s just the children that hopped into the series from eternal that will make a huge deal out of this

[primal estuary]

who in the right mind would decide to involve reddit

[azure oriole]

how are revanants made

[jaunty vapor]

A Discord thread for this whole topic may be in order

Though nobody would use it lol

[cyan sorrel]

mick said he tried his best to handle this all internally which does seem to be the case. If true, he ran out of options

[azure oriole]

Simply do not ever trust the words of Redditors

[pallid osprey]

2016 lore said they were made from UAC volunteers IIRC

[sinful tiger]

It all started with a twitter post comparing the audio quality of BFG division between the OST of Doom and Doom Eternal. And then everything spiraled out of control

[pallid osprey]

Redditors = r-word takes (trust me im one of them)

[flint flame]

Doom eternal the game lore

[azure oriole]

no like whats the process to get them so skinny

[jaunty vapor]

That's not always the case, I truly believe I am fully capable of fucking myself

[azure oriole]

This is correct. Modern Revenants are UAC test subjects subjected to Lazarus Waves.
OG Revenants are demon corpses repurposed for battle.

[full tinsel]

i have no words lmao

[jaunty vapor]

Then I've succeeded at my job

[sinful tiger]

I don't know, the story of the swamps of dagobah seems credible enough

[azure oriole]

someone told me that they are starved and then they remove the personnels muscle and stretch the skin over the bones after they are contorted and then the jetpack is cybernetically installed

[primal estuary]

that shit fake

[pallid osprey]

repeated argent wave exposure caused their bones to grow rapidly and well

[azure oriole]

and that too

i was told its painful as hell (pun intended)

[azure oriole]

Lazarus Waves cause the bones to elongate and strengthen. IIRC the UAC doesn't remove the muscle, it sloughs off the patient thanks to the bone mass increasing.

[azure oriole]

ohhhhhhhh ok makes sense but what are lazarus waves

[azure oriole]

Condensed waves of radioactive Argent Energy emitted by certain demons.

[azure oriole]

gah damn sounds like a hell of a time

[short ore]

It's all true, sadly. The UAC really did use test subjects to create Revenants.

[pallid osprey]

literally getting irradiated until you mutated

[azure oriole]

Yeah. It's what turns people into zombies or mutates them.

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-slayer-gaming-toys-gif-16770751

The idea of that came from Doom 64, wherein the Mother Demon used radiation to revive the corpses of the demons Doomguy killed in Doom 1 to comprise most of the game's enemies.

[primal estuary]

no that's not what i said fake to lol

[azure oriole]

nice

Yeah Olivia's cult BS went way too far.

[short ore]

Oh wow what a misunderstanding

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-eternal-gif-26362427

[dry pilot]

money 😔

[livid birch]

😓

[burnt moss]

I agree with you in practicality, BUT if DE is a stew, it was made with stolen potatoes as an ingredient. Now that we know that, are we party to the theft by buying the stew without demanding the potato farmer be paid?

[livid birch]

its hard tho, we still love doom yaknow 😭

[burnt moss]

I feel the “Music” thread would be a good place for this topic.

[jaunty vapor]

I... Kind of agree with you. That does sorta bring a different air about it... Hm.

No matter how you spin it the whole situation sucks, just as it's always sucked

[burnt moss]

Do I want to know?

[burnt moss]

Greater transparency makes ethics far more complicated than when only actors were accountable for bad acts. Cancel culture results, in which we are accountable for everything EVERYONE we patronize has ever done, has talked about doing, or heard rumors of a friend of theirs doing without immediately launching a drone strike on said friend.

I think the crux of Mick’s problem is that the court of public opinion is more efficient than, well, actual courts. He had a contract but no reasonable means of enforcing it, due to a power disparity.

[primal estuary]

oohhh quickly deleted

[hoary wharf]

It was me who deleted it

I didn't know if it was already posted

[opaque shore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/962748558178660433/1039939873320222800/image.png

[hoary wharf]

https://twitter.com/Mick_Gordon/status/1590343092598878210?s=20&t=0vR2v0SWDB8UHa9pSUF5MA

Mick Gordon (@Mick_Gordon)

Marty Stratton, @idSoftware Studio Director, lied about @DOOM Eternal's OST events in a Reddit post that used disinformation to blame me entirely for its failure

Later, he offered me a six-figure sum to never speak about it

The truth is more important.
https://t.co/zSNo2QG1mI

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Twitter · Nov 9, 2022, 1:58 PM

So messed up

[opaque shore]

I’m sorry for doubting you Mick ❤️

[patent field]

I hope the rest of the "fans" who bashed Mick apologize

[shadow nova]

Withhold judgement until the full picture is clear

[hoary wharf]

Very true, but considering how music people are treated in the videogame industry sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised

[warped sage]

Mick Gordon. Martin O’Donnell. Two legendary video game composers for DOOM and Halo, respectively. Both mistreated by their companies

[pure rune]

this is micks respnse to marty. u already have martys take...

[shadow nova]

that was over a year ago

clearly the situation evolved since then, just wait until more information is present besides the voice of one person

[hoary wharf]

I propose everyone keep things civil

[pallid osprey]

"This statement is not an excuse for a hate campaign. Acts of hate dished out online won’t result in any positive change.

It only makes things worse." - just remember Mick himself said this.

[sinful tiger]

I can DM you it if you want. I kinda regretted it, but at the same time it's hilarious

[hoary wharf]

But what if I hate everyone

:edge:

[formal citrus]

They were manipulated into hating Mick, I personally don't blame them

[sinful tiger]

Yeah, but people went too far with it, which seems to happen waay too frequently with things like this

[hoary wharf]

I just kind of kept an open mind from both sides

[formal citrus]

Fair point

[hoary wharf]

Le twitter mobs

[formal citrus]

Twitter specifically boasts an uncomfortable amount of people who are willing to ruin someone's whole life just because of one mistake and it's so pathetic

[shadow nova]

thats any social media platform

[sullen meteor]

honestly I'm curious if there will be a response to this or not at the end of the day because responding to it gives it more visibility and multimillion dollar corporations don't like it if their uglies are out in public. Also there is no new id game on an active promotional tour though maybe Mick's timing isn't exactly random and an announcement might be around the corner.

[formal citrus]

I've seen it happen most on Twitter
Even other social media users hate Twitter because of this

[sinful tiger]

This seems like kind of the reverse of the bayonetta drama

[shadow nova]

If there is an announcement coming, I doubt he knows about it. All anyone can do is stay civil and wait for more info

[hoary wharf]

Why can't everyone just get along with the funny shotgun game

[formal citrus]

The gaming industry in general has gotten so fucked up I've decided not to trust anyone until all sides are shown

[sinful tiger]

Understandable

[slow sigil]

Could be that both sides are lying to a degree

[hoary wharf]

I feel more inclined to believe Mick on this. Wouldn't be the first time a composer was disrespected in the gaming industry. I will have to wait and see

[burnt moss]

Yeah go ahead

[sinful tiger]

Well, in this case Mick took the time to refute everything on the open letter. The killing shot for me was the metadata of Chad's files showing the actual dates. Hard not to believe Mick now

[hexed arch]

honestly nothing mick said is unbelievable. it's all textbook bad project manager stuff.

[patent field]

^

Which directly contradicts Marty's open letter

[primal estuary]

corporate

[hoary wharf]

I like ID software, do this makes me sad

[primal estuary]

you can tell when someone is using an entire company to go after a dude

[hexed arch]

and it's been 2 years since it's all over. almost everyone seems to have moved on from it. it doesn't make sense to come forward with these things now and just lie about them.

[formal citrus]

I believe that mostly Marty is the one to blame and most other dudes working there are chill
I hope so at least

[primal estuary]

specially with actual receipts instead of a baseless reddit post

[hoary wharf]

Yeah

[burnt moss]

I’m still not over it. I want that soundtrack 😦

[jaunty vapor]

Isn't that game he's working on coming out? This drums up his name a bit, and makes him look like an underdog blah blah blah fill in the blanks.

This is not what I think his motivations are specifically but devil's advocate, that could be why

[sinful tiger]

Given Mick's post Chad is to blame a little too, since he took part on refusing some of the samples Mick did for the game (and maybe the mixing of the ost in general by grabbing low quality samples when he had the source files). However, Marty seems at fault the most

[burnt moss]

That would make sense. He needs to close out the “Doom” line on his resume for reputation’s sake, and for career’s sake.

[flint flame]

This is such a funny statement

[hoary wharf]

Bullshit it was about Mick

[burnt moss]

The only blame I’d place on Chad is incompetence. It doesn’t sound like he was party to any of the unethical shenanigans.

[warped sage]

I hope Hugo is just chill

[hoary wharf]

I can't submit a link of what mick said

Not the twitter one

[primal estuary]

gotta wonder why

[formal citrus]

Same, Hugo is an inspiration to me, man.
Hope he wasn't involved.

[hexed arch]

we don't know chad's involvement, maybe he himself was crunched to failure as well

[formal citrus]

Wasn't Chad also receiving threats from fans? What was that about?

[hoary wharf]

Vega you lil shit

[burnt moss]

Quit trying or something bad will happen

[primal estuary]

why can't the link to the statement be posted

[sinful tiger]

Also, the part of Mick living without payment for 11 months was heartwrenching. I have a professor in uni that was without pay for just 3 months and he had it tough.
And not only that, he had to crunch for basically 2 years. That's a lot of mental health damage

[burnt moss]

It was posted above

[hoary wharf]

No, the Twitter thing was. This is different

[burnt moss]

What platform is the link to?

[primal estuary]

no it wasn't lol

[hexed arch]

can't you put some spaces or some extra dots here and there?

[hoary wharf]

Medium.com

[formal citrus]

The whole thing is just so depressing and disgusting
Artists and the entertainment industry deserves so much better than this manchild petty stuff
And is the professor doing good?

[hoary wharf]

h ttps://t.co/zSNo2QG1mI

[burnt moss]

That is linked in the tweet you already linked

[hoary wharf]

I am dumb apparently

[patent stream]

I would just add the direct twitter one. The server has a whitelist on the vast majority of non approved links

To prevent potential scams / spam

[hoary wharf]

I need sleep

[sinful tiger]

Yes, it was some mismanagement on the financial department, and he had to burn through saving to survive. Sadly, this is a problem with intern professors in public universities here in general

[hexed arch]

imagine being phised on doom discord

[patent field]

What's funny about it?

[burnt moss]

Education system needs to be redone entirely. It doesn’t incentivize good teaching or critical thinking.

[burnt moss]

Maybe the assumption that the aforementioned “fans” are anything more than a pack of ravenous animals.

[formal citrus]

Man tbh it only prepares you for exams, not for life
At least in my country this is the sad truth

[azure oriole]

School didn't teach me how to do my taxes. I'm 21 and still only barely get it.

Hell, I don't really even know how insurance works...

[tardy halo]

Well, nothing to do but to wait out any potential responses I guess

[patent stream]

Yeah they want you to learn for life, but if you fail for the test apparently you fail at life? Without any actual application of it

[hexed arch]

almost all project managers suck, unfortunately. they are bosses that work under other bosses, and they can only be successful if they they are incapable of empathy.

[burnt moss]

Beyond that though. It’s hard to become a teacher, and then it doesn’t pay well. Professors achieve status by producing research papers that win grants, rather than by actually teaching well.

[primal estuary]

good people are never successful

[azure oriole]

I'm a great person and I'm not successful!

[burnt moss]

Insurance is gambling. You pay them, betting that it’ll be worth it someday when they pay out. They accept the deal, gambling that over time you’ll pay them more than they have to pay out.

[azure oriole]

Cringe

[burnt moss]

chuckles in accountant jk I only know the basics.

[azure oriole]

Capitalism is just full of Ls!

[formal citrus]

Not true
The truth is that nature just doesn't give a sh*t about good or bad, it pretty much arbitrarily decides who gets treated how

[azure oriole]

Well being a bad person is directly encouraged though.

[primal estuary]

you're lying to yourself and you know that, you don't get places by being a good samaritan, only by being a corporate douche

[burnt moss]

Nature incentivizes exploitation of resources, to include people.

[azure oriole]

Richest dude on Earth right now is a loser POS.

[burnt moss]

What really enrages me right now, besides their mistreatment of Mick, is that there was never anything stopping them from releasing the OST on Apple Music.

[azure oriole]

second richest dude on earth is a bootleg mr clean who wants his employees to pee in bottles

Lmao yeah.

[primal estuary]

And bans you if you say his wife left him

[burnt moss]

Having money isn’t success. Happiness is success.

[azure oriole]

I wish I could've gone to high school with Elon Musk so I could have shoved him in a locker.

[primal estuary]

that's not the point

[primal estuary]

me too man

[formal citrus]

Think we should move to #general

[burnt moss]

Does anyone here use the XIM NEXUS to play Doom Eternal?

[worn terrace]

🍿

[patent stream]

What’s the xim nexus?

[burnt moss]

It’s a controller that has gyro. The previous XIM product was the APEX which allowed KBM to present as controller on console.

[patent stream]

Sounds pretty interesting

[burnt moss]

Yeah, if it behaves as advertised, it could grant me gyro on Xbox games. My only remaining want would be more buttons, but without switching to PC I couldn’t do that.

I’m actually going to miss the Elite 2 if I switch though, because it is stellar.

[patent stream]

I’ve heard pretty good things about the Elite series

Friend says he can’t go back after using one

[slim spindle]

just beat doom

for the second time now

[patent stream]

Noice

[slim spindle]

is it worth playing the ancient gods 1 and 2

i bought deluxe so i have both idk if its worth wasting my time on

[azure oriole]

I’ll find out soon

I needed a bit of a break after beating Eternal

[patent stream]

I mean if you already own them might as well play them

It’s more doom. Faster harder and with new environments

[slim spindle]

i kinda wanna get all the toys and see what i get

[burnt moss]

Do it

[slim spindle]

i got more than half i need like 5 more

and ill have the full toy set

[patent stream]

I think you get an achievement? But that’s it

[burnt moss]

Remember you can use cheats and you don’t have to complete the full level to keep the toy

[slim spindle]

oh so i can just get the toy and quit out of the level?

[burnt moss]

Yes

[slim spindle]

sweet

[azure oriole]

Is it possible to get to a point where you’ve basically 100%ed Eternal?

[slim spindle]

also what are the extra praetor suit points for

[burnt moss]

Yes. I’ve 100%ed Campaign except for Ultra Nightmare.

[burnt moss]

They’re extra

[azure oriole]

I’m gonna start tag after I finish the Doom 3 stuff

[burnt moss]

No seriously I’ve got like 8 left over in my 100% file

[slim spindle]

wait how do i use the cheat codes

[azure oriole]

Mission select

If you go back in and redo missions, is the stuff you’ve collected still gone?

[burnt moss]

Some things are

[azure oriole]

Like praetor coins and such

[burnt moss]

Mission select screen will have the option to press X or something to pull up and activate cheats.

[burnt moss]

Yeah you can’t get those twice

[azure oriole]

Ok that makes sense

[flint flame]

I hope the rest of the "fans" who bashed Mick apologize
As if the fans who didn’t bash Mick aren’t proper fans. If anything, y’all who venerate Mick are the real “fans.”

And also:
“You guys should apologize” 🤓

[burnt moss]

You can farm BFG, Crucible, and Extra Lives though.

[azure oriole]

So basically secrets and upgrades

[frigid root]

The Doom Community is going to hell rn

[burnt moss]

I think you’re misreading the comment… the quotation could be restated as “so-called fans” because the commenter doesn’t see them as true fans.

[tropic mural]

It’s me, Austin! It was me all along

[slim spindle]

why r people bashing mick

[burnt moss]

I thought it was Agatha all along…

[slim spindle]

he left id software right

[tropic mural]

Past tense, based on the statement of the sub years back. Evidently, it was filled with inaccuracies

[burnt moss]

You’ll need to do a few hours of reading to catch up

[iron cradle]

prwtty sure he was never in id software

[tropic mural]

Mick finally responded after 2 years, with clear proof that the statement was incorrect

[lunar geyser]

He's a contractor, not an employee.

[slim spindle]

o my bad

[flint flame]

I’m aware, I’m flipping their definition of “fan” onto them. “Mick Gordon is such a cool dude because he made music for my favorite game!!!” type of people need to hop off

[azure oriole]

That metadata in Chad's mixes which directly contradict Marty's statement was a huge standout to me

[sacred dirge]

Everyone knows Bobby prince is the real og

[tropic mural]

I think what’s important to know is people don’t become billionaires on their own: they get the position based on the work of thousands of “other people” that get them there.

As someone who’s in CS, the fact that there’s a cult of personality around “tech giants” like musk is laughable, because it implies that the massive innovations were made by them alone, and not a vast pool of talented individuals working together on a project.

[azure oriole]

Yeah

Elon Musk didn't "innovate" shit. The people he exploits did.

[patent field]

That wasn't what I was saying at all.

[tropic mural]

Oh snap you got a cool role now

Good on you man, it looks good Mono

[burnt moss]

So you think Doom Music fans are posers basically?

[tropic mural]

The ones that harassed a composer with threats don’t deserve to be part of a community

[patent field]

Also, what exactly is wrong with that statement? "Mick Gordon is such a cool dude because he made music for my favorite game!!!”

[burnt moss]

There’s a thin line between exploitation and transaction.

[patent field]

Should I not like someone who consistently makes good music?

[lunar geyser]

agreed

[patent field]

Or seems like a cool person IRL?

[tropic mural]

Mick’s a cool guy!

[patent field]

So like, do you like anything then?

[iron cradle]

i very agree

[jaunty vapor]

Well there is a debate on whether art should be separated from the artist

[azure oriole]

Thanks!

[tropic mural]

It’s evident the statement back in 2020 grossly mischaracterized the situation

[burnt moss]

I’m getting the impression that liking Doom because of Mick is like liking Muse because of Twilight.

[jaunty vapor]

But I don't think that has much merit in this situation/context

[primal estuary]

it doesn't matter what introduces you to the game

[azure oriole]

The correct answer to this: separating the art from the artist is fine unless consuming the art requires financially supporting the artist.

[patent field]

Except if you actually read the statementL “Mick Gordon is such a cool dude because he made music for my favorite game!!!”

[primal estuary]

saying "oh you like it because of the music" is stupid

[patent field]

Favorite game

[idle aspen]

Not just grossly mischaracterized. The company announced an OST with Mick's help almost a year before signing a contract with him to make an OST.
That is Fyre fest levels of bullshit

[azure oriole]

You can separate JK Rowling from Harry Potter all you want, but if you're spending money on Harry Potter you're giving her money.

[patent field]

That statement is basically: "You like stuff? Well piss off!"

[azure oriole]

Oh boy

[primal estuary]

i think the dude is angry at something in general

[azure oriole]

Tbh never bashed Mick bc I always knew there was more to this when I read about the reddit posts and tweets like few months ago, it seemed that there wasn’t a whole lot of info from him. But the medium post is indeed quite long and there’s lots more receipts such as emails included…

[jaunty vapor]

Remember earlier when I said I was just here to watch the community implode?

[burnt moss]

That’s a slippery slope. How many children have I enslaved by wearing clothes?

[hoary wharf]

I am inclined to believe Mick on this one

[patent field]

I'm not trying to start arguments, but that take was so one-dimensional I had to rebute

And you know, I was pinged for it

[azure oriole]

The slope isn't too slippery. You need clothes to survive.

[primal estuary]

there was also no reason to drop an inflamatory statement on you either

[idle aspen]

^
Ethics are luxuries when your options are be unethical or die

[azure oriole]

Example: I don't need Harry Potter to survive. If I decide to give JK Rowling money, that's on me.
A phone, though? Phones are made by child slaves in other countries and that's terrible. But you need a phone to function in modern society. Everything depends on your usage of the internet. So I don't feel bad about owning a phone. I need one.

[burnt moss]

But if supporting Harry Potter supports transphobia, doesn’t wearing Nike support child slavery?

[idle aspen]

Bethesda and ID, the multi million dollar company, have that luxury

[azure oriole]

Yes, it does, and it's why I'd encourage people to buy from better and more ethical shoe companies.

[hoary wharf]

I say we abondon moden games and just play doom wads for eternity

[pallid osprey]

Still imagine thinking people liking a musician who made good music for their FAVORITE GAME are not real fans, smh

[azure oriole]

But if Nike's your only option, then don't sweat it. My point is, there's a fundamental difference between pop culture and material objects needed to survive in modern society.

[burnt moss]

Arts are what make us human. And if I’m only allowed to play games made by studios who don’t exploit people for profit, I guess I’m playing Pong.

[azure oriole]

I'm not saying you can't play games made by shitty companies. I'm saying you shouldn't buy games made by shitty companies.

[burnt moss]

I see no distinction.

[jaunty vapor]

There's so many factors with ethics anyways. I support LGBT+ community.

I also eat at Chic FIL A who's well known for supporting anti trans groups.

I hate that, but my friends mom works at our local chic FIL a. Works damn hard, too, and she's the sweetest person. So technically while I'm supporting chic FIL a, I'm also supporting her. So... Which evil/good outweighs the other?

Chances are the evil outweighs the good if I'm.being honest. If I had to really state my philosophical stance, I believe it's more in a person's intent that matters. I dunno. Tbh this is getting more serious than I wanted to go with the conversation >_>

[azure oriole]

You can play games without buying them directly from their publishers. Some of those ways are illegal (piracy), others are not (buying secondhand, or used).

[frigid root]

"If Doom fans don't like what you've done
They'll burn your house down"

-Mick Gordon

[primal estuary]

oohh someone said a no no

[onyx mantle]

Ban me

[calm oyster]

doom eternaL

[primal estuary]

that's a very nice gamer tag you got, real fan of the 88

[onyx mantle]

That name is from a song class of 88 samurai gunz

[jaunty vapor]

So in regards to THIS situation... I dunno. If someone held me at gunpoint and asked "who id side with" I'd probably say Mick? I dunno. Id prefer to just stay neutral. Even still, it's a he said she said situation cause we saw a lot of cherry picked good receipts. I DO personally believe they're overwhelming in their proof/evidence, but it was still a hand selected few pictures.

[azure oriole]

Everyone has a case of the Wednesdays

[onyx mantle]

It’s on YouTube

[frosty maple]

internet draha, huh?

[burnt moss]

My point is that I should be able to eat a chicken sandwich without also being responsible for homophobic activities. I bought a chicken sandwich and that’s the extent of the ethical implications of my decision.

[azure oriole]

The problem is your money exists separate from you.

[primal estuary]

i gotta say, the anime pfp really isn't helping you here lol

[short ore]

Not a lot of games you can buy then?

[azure oriole]

No matter what your intentions are, that doesn't change where your money is going.

[burnt moss]

That’s like making my own shoes though. To continue the Nike comparison.

[calm oyster]

wait what the fuck is going on this isn't doom eternal

[onyx mantle]

she’s very cute

[idle aspen]

Mick gordon decided to come after a bethesa exec who'd slandered him on reddit and apparently worked to soil his reputation by printing all the fucking receipts

[azure oriole]

Not a lot, indeed! Yar har, fiddle-dee-dee. 🏴‍☠️

[calm oyster]

im trans and chick fila tastes yuimmy

[jaunty vapor]

I more or less agree. I think there is a SMALL amount you or I contribute negatively by buying said sandwich, but we probably do good elsewhere. Even just by generally being supportive to others, or being friends with someone LGBT... that may offset the bad karma.

Or it doesn't and we all burn in hell anyways

[calm oyster]

om nom nom that chicken sandwich

[azure oriole]

But again, Nike is different from videogames or books.
You need shoes to survive. You don't need Harry Potter to survive.

[onyx mantle]

I love the chicken sandwich i think it’s better than Popeyes

[calm oyster]

you dont need shoes or clothes to survive

[short ore]

Not really my thing sadly

[azure oriole]

Yes you do lol.

[calm oyster]

i can sit around naked all day

[azure oriole]

Yeah, quite a long read, glad he decided to go in detail. Saw a lot of people judge him since there wasn’t really his side said out loud but only few tweets and what bethesda had announced publicly in reddit, but just goes to show everything with not enough information should be always taken with big grain of salt and nobody should be judged so quickly if there isn’t enough information…

Can I still play COD, Doom, Far Cry, Halo, Metro, Resident Evil, and Wolfenstein?

Yeah just try to go outside and function in society without clothes.

[azure oriole]

You can play whatever you want to. I'm not here to restrict what you can and cannot play.

What I'm saying is that if you know a publisher exploits human lives or contradicts to the deaths or exploitation of people, you do have options outside of giving them money to encourage them to do more of that, and those options are easy and preferable.

[pallid osprey]

Don't need shoes - proceed to step on glass shards

[calm oyster]

piracy piracy big smile on my face

[azure oriole]

I’d be ok with giving up the phone

Buying yourself shoes because you need nice shoes to look presentable and professional while also protecting your feet is not the same thing as, to continue the comparison to HP, knowing JK Rowling is a virulent transphobe and then deliberately ignoring that because you need the fancy new Harry Potter game.
I'm not gonna hate you for either one of those, but I will think the latter option is cringe and lame.

[frosty maple]

All the fun and none of the moral implications 😄

[onyx mantle]

Well yeah but since the Reddit post was from Marty himself you think he’s telling the truth, since they have to be careful legally with that they say

[primal estuary]

too bad his post is only text with 0 proof whatsoever lol

[short ore]

Was Rowling involved with the creation of the game, or does she only get money because it's a Harry Potter game?

[onyx mantle]

Im not defending him

Just sayin why people took his word

[primal estuary]

people in high up positions can do whatever they want, including lying

[azure oriole]

Pretty sure it's the latter. But, does it matter?

[karmic wave]

mikes??

[azure oriole]

The people who made the game get money either way, so it's not like you're fucking them over.

[primal estuary]

no

[karmic wave]

mb, u mean marty right?

[azure oriole]

I was never an HP guy anyways

[burnt moss]

Let’s follow that logic -btw I’m not arguing out of contempt- and say that by continuing to patronize Discord, which hosts Doom fans, who pay for Doom games, which pays ID, who robbed Mick, you and I are currently robbing Mick of 2 hours of soundtrack currently.

[pallid osprey]

Now that i looked back, that post didn't even have a single screenshots or any kind of proof whatsoever, yet ppl blindly trusted him anyways.

[strange gale]

that's crazy bro

[azure oriole]

I can't believe it. Eternal chat is.... ALIVE!!!!

[hoary wharf]

You may only play Doom from 1993, and it has to be on a CRT

[short ore]

Depends on your perspective on the subject I suppose, direct participation in the project is different than just having your name attached to it

[primal estuary]

truly is, can't believe it myself either homie

[frosty maple]

Marty's "open letter" seemed suspicious to me from the very beginning. Mick delivered one of the best OSTs in video game history. It's hard to believe he would suddenly become incompetent.

[karmic wave]

i feel so bad for mick

[hoary wharf]

Indeed

[azure oriole]

Mick could use a hug or two

[azure oriole]

A worthy sacrifice

[modest wyvern]

I came back to see how it is here after hearing about Mick

[iron cradle]

i literally couldnt agree more

[primal estuary]

i think he should get payed instead of a meager hug

[onyx mantle]

Poor guy I hope his life gets better

[karmic wave]

he deserves over 7 figure compensation imo

[short ore]

Also I'm usually not really big into the idea of not buying a game because X did Y

[onyx mantle]

Agree

[karmic wave]

perhaps even 8, considering the lasting damage to his reputation and mental health

[azure oriole]

The difference here is that I don't think paying for Doom content or contributing to it is comparable to shit like JK Rowling. Her transphobia has directly contributed to the death and suffering of many trans people, and her rhetoric is violent and contributing to an ongoing attempt by conservative politicians to eradicate trans people as a demographic.

Mick Gordon got fucked over and treated like shit, and that sucks. But his life is not in danger, and I'm sure he's doing fine in spite of what happened. I don't feel bad for buying Doom.

[north agate]

Doom Eternal

[azure oriole]

I guess a more apt comparison is Activision. I don't buy Activision games. I only have their games if I can buy them secondhand or if someone gifts them to me. And that kinda sucks because I've been a lifelong fan of Crash Bandicoot ever since before I could even read.

But they got a lady killed, and they sexually exploited many more. Fuck them.

[azure oriole]

Not really, big companies have enough money to hide stuff or hire good lawyers if it comes to that. Hush money or anything like that isn’t uncommon or unheard either. When I first read it I thought it lacked a lot of details and was too short. And there was only that and few tweets of Mick which made me question the whole thing from the start.

[karmic wave]

all of micks personal details were leaked, he’s received countless death threats

[primal estuary]

you don't always have to buy them

[pallid osprey]

That shit was the nastiest part

[frosty maple]

We're not going to see any more Mick's music in Doom, that's for sure. I hope we'll have the opportunity to enjoy his music elsewhere.

[short ore]

"Directly" seems like a bit of a stretch doesn't it

[karmic wave]

doom no longer deserves micks music, i believe him completely

[azure oriole]

No, it doesn't. Fucking Vladimir Putin himself praised JK Rowling's transphobia. By being bigoted and cultivating a bigoted audience, you contribute to the suffering of the people that bigotry effects.

[modest wyvern]

Whatcha mean by that?

[short ore]

Everyone at id is fine according to Mick, it's just a few bad apples at the upper management that lead into this situation

[azure oriole]

Shit like what JK Rowling is saying is why we're getting such huge waves of anti-trans bills and laws being proposed across America. Because of openly-touted hate speech like that. So yeah, it's a direct contribution.

[civic yacht]

I’m just gonna take a break from Doom until this blows over

Regardless of what is true and what isn’t

[karmic wave]

i believe micks personal statement completely
he was completely scammed by the higher ups and they profit from his music the most

[short ore]

But the point is that it's not directly contributing

[azure oriole]

It would be nice to get back to actual game convo before the day ends 😆

[frosty maple]

you sure you're in the right chat?

[karmic wave]

they’re the people who make the most money from it

[short ore]

It does contribute, but it's not directly killing people

[civic yacht]

First that Bayonetta 3 shitstorm (even though Taylor was lying) and now this… Christ

[azure oriole]

That just seems like a way to downplay its importance. JK Rowling may not be physically doing the killing, but her actions are helping people kill others.

[short ore]

most of them are employees who only want to create good games, and are not involved with management

[modest wyvern]

Ah that's horrible
I sided with Mick from the start so it's nice to see everyone side with him now

[azure oriole]

The conversation organically found its way here so I don't mind.

[burnt moss]

But you’re introducing yet another layer of complexity to ethical decision making: degree of wrongness. Is exploitation in production better than voicing an unpopular opinion? Which wrong was more closely related to the product you’re buying? It becomes impossible to make a good decision; only less bad decisions are available.

[karmic wave]

yes i completely agree. but at the end of the day those employees don’t get nearly as much as the higher ups would get from it

[short ore]

Wording is important, we can't say that being an asshole on twitter directly kills

[azure oriole]

Well, first, hate speech isn't voicing an unpopular opinion. It's hate speech. When that hate speech gets people killed, yeah, it's worse than exploitation in production.

[short ore]

It contributes for sure, but it's not direct

[primal estuary]

it enables that direct action, it's not hard to understand

[azure oriole]

Hate speech that leads to death is much worse than fucking over a singular dude by being a greedy prick.

Both are bad! One is much worse.

[frosty maple]

so is reading JK Rowling worse that eating at Chick-fil-a or is it the other way around?

[primal estuary]

stuff snowballs out of control and ends with the removal of lives

[short ore]

Man, nobody knows for sure, depends on how you view it

[azure oriole]

This is where you guys keep getting mistaken, is you believe this means you can't engage with their media. That's not the case. It just means you probably shouldn't give them money.

[short ore]

Hell for all I know you could support whatever it is that chick fil a does

[primal estuary]

if you don't buy the dumb wizard book, she doesn't get any of your money, if you don't buy chicken, you're not doing anything to better the situation either

[azure oriole]

Buying JK Rowling's books from her or from a publisher that gives her money? Yeah, no, that's lame and I have no problem telling you it's lame.
But again, you can engage with media without buying said media directly from its creator.

[karmic wave]

no one reads books online tho

[azure oriole]

I don't support Activision by playing Crash Bandicoot. I support Activision by buying Crash Bandicoot, and it's up to me if I'm okay with that.

[karmic wave]

i mean if u have a kindle yeah

[azure oriole]

eBooks are pretty popular.

https://tenor.com/view/americanpie-stifler-work-lots-of-gif-23537661

[short ore]

Kindle is not super good if you want external sources for your ebooks ;)

[azure oriole]

It's actually awesome if you use Calibre

[short ore]

What's that?

[unique spire]

A tool that can rip the drm out

[short ore]

I own a Kobo, no idea if it's popular outside of France

[azure oriole]

Book management app on PC, lets you sort and add book files to your Kindle and also un-DRM them if needed.

[short ore]

And loading stuff from your PC is easy

[karmic wave]

nowhere near the popularity of real books, kindles and ipads are also much more expensive

[burnt moss]

If you DM me a link I’ll check out your allegations on JK Rowling. BUT short of “these people are bad people and need to die”, discouraging a way of life, even from a podium, is not contributing to violent acts. Otherwise, we could say that Mick is responsible for any doxxing and violence that now gets levied against Marty.

[karmic wave]

real books are also a lot more convenient

[unique spire]

Actually I'd argue the opposite

[azure oriole]

I find my Kindle infinitely more convenient. I've got like 3000 books at the palm of my hand.

[unique spire]

Ebooks are definitely more convenient

[short ore]

Definitely not, real books are bigger and heavier

[karmic wave]

maybe you do, but the majority definitely find real books to be more convenient, you don’t need to charge them, and they’re much cheaper

[short ore]

even tho I prefer real books, ebooks are just really great for multiple reasons too

[unique spire]

That will probably change in the future as tech rolls on

[frosty maple]

every time I hear people should vote with their wallet I know the cause is doomed to fail

[short ore]

Lower tier ebooks aren't very expensive, and the battery can last for a loooong time

[karmic wave]

as everyone here is privileged enough to have a phone, it may not seem that way, but the greater population would find books to be much more convenient

[burnt moss]

When I spend my money, I am rewarding nothing except the good or service I have received. I am not rewarding how that provider uses their own time and resources.

[primal estuary]

yes you are

you're funding whatever it is they're doing and their further actions

[burnt moss]

That’s coincidental, and shouldn’t be part of the ethical decision of buying something.

[primal estuary]

it should

[azure oriole]

Nah man, that's just not how it works. This is getting into a whole 'nother discussion but hate speech is hate speech for a reason. Objectively, hate speech contributes to oppression and bigotry. That's how it works. Countless times we've seen bigotry be enabled by popular people that allow it to get worse and worse. That's how the KKK became so prominent in America for a long while, and stayed prominent, was through shit like Birth of a Nation.

Take Kanye West. The man's a Nazi. He's a raging anti-semite. And I'm sorry, but ever since he said that shit you can see more people on Twitter become more comfortable with saying anti-semitic shit. Another example? Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate's misogynistic rhetoric cultivated an audience that encouraged sexism and domestic violence.

[primal estuary]

pretend michael jackson is alive and well, with his whole thing being still public, would you buy his music? you know he's a terrible human being

[azure oriole]

Hate speech has direct and terrible consequences on the minorities it's aimed at.

[frosty maple]

my belief system says otherwise 😄

[unique spire]

It honestly shouldn't

[frosty maple]

what Rowling is doing is not even hate speech

[azure oriole]

I mean, the phrase "Vote with your wallet" exists for a reason

[unique spire]

Except it doesn't really work most of the time

[karmic wave]

so many products are made in china, meaning china benefits when you buy the product because of distribution
does this mean its wrong to buy anything made in china?

[unique spire]

Especially when it's used in protest

[short ore]

problem is that you can't purchase a lot of things with that logic

[azure oriole]

This was addressed earlier in the discussion, lol.

[short ore]

There are many assholes out there, and they contribute to otherwise good stuff

[azure oriole]

Weren't Michael Jackson accusations proven false tho

[short ore]

Avoiding them is like trying to walk through a mine field

[unique spire]

Because half the people protesting about a thing will still buy that thing

[karmic wave]

yes, with Ye right now, i’ll definitely buy his upcoming album, his music is amazing, he may be a horrible person, but his music is amazing

[burnt moss]

You’re talking about a sort of, social tipping point. It’s very hard to identify. Which is why I limit my definition of hate speech to speech that actively calls for violence against a group -minority or otherwise.

[unique spire]

This is a situation of separation of art from artist it seems

[knotty rapids]

Didn't he almost name his latest album yedolf?

[primal estuary]

and he's a terrible person, why are you actively supporting him if you know it helps him continue going off the deep end

[azure oriole]

You're perfectly in your rights to do so.
Unfortunately, that means you care more about Ye's music than anti-semitism. Which, you can admit that and own up to it, all the power to you. We should at least be honest with ourselves, though.

[primal estuary]

does your need to listen to his music surpass your moral compass?

[azure oriole]

The word for that is actually "incitement", not "hate speech"

I would recommend pirating Ye's music instead, as I personally don't recommend giving money to Nazis. That's just me, though.

[primal estuary]

THAT is the question you have to ask yourself before "separating art from artists"

[burnt moss]

Because capitalism is not about charity.

[pallid osprey]

Damn this chat is popping off rn

[karmic wave]

because his music is amazing, and he’ll go down in the history books as one of the greatest artists of all time, not an anti-semite
people remember winston churchill as a war hero, not a racist

[unique spire]

Except for people who are rich for any kind of boycott to have any success hundreds or even thousands of people have to do that before anything happens

[azure oriole]

Consider: if capitalism encourages you to give money to evil people, then there's a bigger problem here that needs to be addressed, lol.

[azure oriole]

comparing Winston Churchill to Kanye West
Bro

[karmic wave]

??? churchill said much worse things

[primal estuary]

people don't remember him that way because higher ups in britain made sure to hide how much of a scumbag he was

[azure oriole]

people are able to commit hate speech against targeted groups without directly inciting the masses to actually harm those targeted groups

[burnt moss]

Then I’ll revise my opinion to say that any speech that doesn’t incite violence should be protected as free speech.

[primal estuary]

if you erase history of course no one is going to know

[frosty maple]

I completely lost track of this coversation. Who is supposed to be antisemitic? Michael Jackson?

[karmic wave]

Ye

[azure oriole]

And if your speech has a correlation with rising violence and oppression against a minority?

Kanye West really hates Jews for some reason

Well we know why. He's a Nazi.

That's why I won't support his business or him as a person at all

[primal estuary]

hmmm i wonder what his social circle has to do with all this, dont you too?

[knotty rapids]

Mostly online, probably

[karmic wave]

he’s had a bad experience with jewish businessmen, he apologised for his antisemitic comment and said it was directed at jewish businessmen he had experience with

[primal estuary]

then he continued making them lol

[burnt moss]

Capitalism encourages you to give money for good products/services. Labor laws etc. prevent those goods/services from being ill-gotten. If the seller is a Nazi, is irrelevant to the transaction.

[primal estuary]

kanye knows what he's doing bro

[azure oriole]

so basically the thing i said

[primal estuary]

he isn't just going at one particular person he really hates them all

[karmic wave]

i explained your “some reason”

[unique spire]

That's what it should do but that's not what actually happens just look at the gaming industry

[karmic wave]

he considers himself as a Jew 🤷‍♀️

[azure oriole]

I emphasize: You can support whoever you want. What I'm saying is you should at least own up to it. If you care more about Ye's music than antisemitism, then you should at least be honest with yourself. If you care more about Harry Potter than you do the livelihood of trans people, then at least own up to that.
Contributing to hatred, bigotry, or violence and then backing down and acting like there's actually no consequences to your actions is silly.

[knotty rapids]

Bruh

[frosty maple]

damn this convo is going places

[azure oriole]

What exactly are you trying to insinuate here, mister?

[burnt moss]

It’s problematic to be sure. The first amendment of the US Constitution guarantees free speech. It was a right protected, even above the right to bear arms. People miss the implication there, that speech itself is dangerous to your enemies. That’s why it needs protecting. Speech is powerful and shouldn’t be censored willy nilly. Anymore than certain guns should be banned because bad people did bad things with them.

[gentle aurora]

Does anyone know if there is ever going to be a new DOOM game?

[primal estuary]

this is the same thing as those grifters like blaire white do where they are transgender and they proceed to attack transgender people

[burnt moss]

Probably not for years

[short ore]

That's just a massive stretch

[karmic wave]

nothing, i’m relaying his own words, he says he can’t be anti-semitic since he’s a Jew himself, im not voicing my own opinion at all, apart that i’d but his next album because i love his music

[gentle aurora]

Dang

[primal estuary]

it's just a thing you say to cover yourself, because "surely you can't hate against your own"

[frosty maple]

member of the Black Jewish Klansmen

[primal estuary]

you're also supporting his creepy ass cult school project by buying his stuff

[azure oriole]

Maybe if you lack critical thinking skills, sure, but it's literally an A to B line of thinking.
I don't like giving money to evil people. If you do, then sure, go ahead. All the power to you.

[gentle aurora]

I'll just stick to Doom Eternal and doom 2016 for rn then

[burnt moss]

Good point. Mick can’t sue for libel and breach of contract because his opposition can afford better lawyers. But we should fix the system, not replace it with the Court of Public Opinion which has no checks and balances.

[frosty maple]

stick to Doom II

[azure oriole]

even if that were true (it most likely isn't), he's still an antisemite, just with a lame excuse

Like it's literally...
I don't want my money to go to evil people. -> Kanye West is a Nazi. -> Nazis are evil. -> Therefore, Kanye West is evil. -> I don't want my money to go to him.

[knotty rapids]

Lmao, I forgot about that weird group

[short ore]

Spend any money, anywhere, you're contributing to evil people

[karmic wave]

yes

[primal estuary]

you're assuming every single human is evil with that

[karmic wave]

unless second hand buying i guess, but even then..

[short ore]

You can't avoid it, totally moral consumption is impossible

[azure oriole]

Which I addressed earlier in the conversation, multiple times. Paying for things you need to survive is not the same as buying the latest album.

[primal estuary]

with that logic, go live in the jungle and survive from nature

[knotty rapids]

It ain't black and white, but nazis are the lowest of human existence

[azure oriole]

"There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" DOES NOT mean "your actions have no consequences and you shouldn't pay any mind to where your money is going".

[short ore]

But then, aside from the absolute necessity, you just... can't buy anything

You can't avoid contributing to bad people

[azure oriole]

Perhaps you can't. But you can at least try to avoid contributing to the worst people.

[primal estuary]

does that mean you have to give up and not try to see what you're doing anymore?

[azure oriole]

Any time frame for actually getting back to Eternal chat?

Especially when your assumption that everyone is bad is just that - an assumption.

[short ore]

You can set your own moral rules for what you should or should not buy according to who made it

[karmic wave]

a day or two

[azure oriole]

Yea, maybe it's the best time for that

SSG/BALLISTA GANG RISE UP

[short ore]

Wait this isn't an ultrakill chat?

[primal estuary]

ooh look at me i use ssg and ballista ooh

[frosty maple]

But Kanye isn't really a nazi so this argument kinda falls apart. At least I've never heard him talk about the ideas of national socialism.

[knotty rapids]

Out of left field

[azure oriole]

Lol. Lmao

[primal estuary]

real ones use the auto shotgun exclusively

[modest wyvern]

How'd we go from Marty, to JK, then Kanye

[short ore]

Uh...

[primal estuary]

leave him be, dude clearly isn't paying attention to reality

[azure oriole]

Let us pray

[pallid osprey]

Eternal lore is deep lol

[burnt moss]

I’m still overwhelmed by the categorization required. For one thing, how many innocent people get laid off from a bad company when we “vote with our dollars” because it did something bad? Is their hardship really worth the stand we take against that company?

[unique spire]

That's not possible either because the people at the top don't want that system to change and they have the most say on how the system is

[modest wyvern]

Oh hey, someone talking about Doom in the Doom channel

[karmic wave]

nazi has gone from a party to more of like a set of beliefs in a way, which is why the term neo-nazi is used now
this set of beliefs is now essentially the combination of being heavily against the left wing and a hatred of jewish people

[short ore]

That's a slippery slope, can't take down bad guys because it could affect innocent people?

[frosty maple]

Relax, I wasn't serious

[pallid osprey]

Thy punishment, is death!

[azure oriole]

That is a consequence of the actions that started the boycott in the first place.
If Activision laid off people because they lost money from us not giving them money over the sexual assaults, that's not the problem of the people who didn't gave them money. That was a consequence of the people who did the sexual assaulting.

[unique spire]

We as individuals have no real power to change anything with that system unless we number in the millions all at once

[azure oriole]

I agree, but that doesn't mean I don't want to try anyway.

[knotty rapids]

Madness

[azure oriole]

Sticky Bomb > Full Auto

[karmic wave]

which will most likely never happen again, the world has advanced too far for revolutions to ever happen again

[burnt moss]

That’s why I’m calling this system of beliefs a slippery slope. Because the only way I can get on board with punishing irrelevant behaviors (irrelevant to my transaction with the seller) is from an outcome based approach i.e. how much bad or good is caused my my action.

[primal estuary]

wrong opinion, sticky bomb is objectively less fun to use

[azure oriole]

Me not giving money to Chic-Fil A isn't gonna save LGBT people, and that's not why I don't give them money. I don't give them money because I don't want that on my conscience.

[azure oriole]

your mom is less fun to use

💀

[primal estuary]

my mother is a saint

[pallid osprey]

[short ore]

That's just the truth man

[pallid osprey]

Full auto sucks anyway

[primal estuary]

meanie

[azure oriole]

Full Auto sucks, yeah.

[unique spire]

Exactly

[azure oriole]

oh my god that turned out nastier than intended

[short ore]

Cleanly take out a group of small demon? Hell yeah

[azure oriole]

sorry mate lmfao

[primal estuary]

no you guys don't get it full auto is the real deal

[azure oriole]

I could go for a 8 pack nuggets right now

[primal estuary]

you actually have to think when you use it

[pallid osprey]

Shat tap, full auto sucks. Period.

[primal estuary]

full auto gives you infinite ammo

[burnt moss]

If Activision was instead successful because it did its job well, it’s not the patron’s problem, it’s still just on the felons what they did. Seems like you only want to isolate the “voter” from the “outcome” when we’re talking about the unintended consequences.

[pallid osprey]

You know what else need thinking? Yes, sticky bomb because you still have to estimate the grenade arc and adjust your aim to get the headshot multiplier

[primal estuary]

what do you mean estimate the arc? the thing goes straight forward pretty much

[azure oriole]

Does the combat shotgun pack the meathook? Hell no. Super Shotgun all the way any day

[short ore]

Autoshotty is just turn brain off, shoot gun. Boring. Doesn't even explode demon in multiple pieces, and also the shotgun sounds are lame.

[azure oriole]

The problem is that you're insinuating that "giving money" and "keeping money" are equal choices. I am already keeping money by default. I have to go out of my way to give money.

[burnt moss]

Wait so it’s not about outcome for you? It’s about whether you feel like you did a good thing?

[pallid osprey]

Well i use it like a mortar so...

[keen gorge]

You point it straight up and hope for the best?

[knotty rapids]

It's about the pop eyes chicken sandwich

[azure oriole]

I do not like doing bad things.
Giving money to evil people is a bad thing.
So I try not to do it, when possible and not a detriment to my wellbeing.

[primal estuary]

why is everything a massive food chain in the first world

do you not have any local establishments or something

[azure oriole]

Capitalism baybee.

[short ore]

Hey man, France still has plenty of good restaurants

[azure oriole]

No local shit needed. I gotta give my money to BILLIONAIRES!!! STOCKHOLDERS!!!!! I'll take my Chicken McNuggets now.

[keen gorge]

You arent going to heat anything about local

[azure oriole]

We actually have a local Italian place that's awesome.

[primal estuary]

why is nazi cristiano ronaldo here

[azure oriole]

Bro

dude just get the fuck out at this point

E X T E R M I N A T U S

[burnt moss]

You’re placing the decision point at whether to spend the money on the game. The conscious decision (due to the company’s actions/failure to act) to not spend the money is still a decision, so you’re still accountable for the outcome. If we take an outcome based approach that is.

[azure oriole]

I hope everyone here knows that Doomguy would absolutely kill Nazis.

[primal estuary]

i mean he does

[pallid osprey]

Swastika pfp

[primal estuary]

in doom 2

[azure oriole]

OH FUCKING CHRIST

[knotty rapids]

Good God

[unique spire]

A smaller scale example of how bad the system we have is now is how damn hard it is to change broken laws

Because of the rich that use those laws to their benefit

[knotty rapids]

Where's my super shotty

[azure oriole]

Yeah that's what happens when we live in a country that lets capitalism rule our lives.

[short ore]

throwback to when people called Wolfenstein II too "political"

[azure oriole]

Somebody please fucking tell

ThySlayer

he got booted by mistake lmfao

Wolfenstein II is political and that's why it's fucking awesome.

[primal estuary]

you do it bro

[unique spire]

At this point it's hard not to because capitalism is literally the world's economic system now

[primal estuary]

simply go to the ban registry, undo it and copy the tag on the dm thingy

[azure oriole]

You booted the Slayer lol

[burnt moss]

I mean he killed God for gross negligence, so for sure he’d kill Nazis for genocide.

[knotty rapids]

You banned that nazi faster than Adolf shot himself

[short ore]

Yeah but the first one was like, totally not political, and stuff!

[unique spire]

Trying to lobby against capitalism would take more time than most of us have on this earth to even budge the needle a tiny amount

[gilded wharf]

FA is less damage than just deadswapping SSG lol

[keen gorge]

I love using only two weapons on infinite repeat

[azure oriole]

That's why you skip the lobbying stage and jump into the violence stage.

@empty drum oh my fucking god lol

sorry for yeeting you by mistake

If there's anything the Doom franchise should tell you it's that if you're dissatisfied with the constant death around you occuring as a result of injustice and hatred, well, rip and tear, dude.

[unique spire]

That won't work either because said violence would need to be on a global scale of coordination

[empty drum]

It’s ok

[azure oriole]

😆

ey accept my friends request

I wanna send you something

[keen gorge]

There being no perfect solution isn't a reason to not try

[burnt moss]

Capitalism is the most natural way to do it - with some checks and balances of course. Otherwise who gets to decide what I deserve to have? Other than bringing value to the table for barter, how does anyone decide what kind of car I deserve to drive?

[short ore]

Didn't doomguy punch his superior because he was doing nasty stuff?

[keen gorge]

There isnt just one kind of capitalism but we have the misfortune of being at a late stage of it

[azure oriole]

Sent him home in a full-body cast, yeah.

[short ore]

based

[azure oriole]

Doomguy also hates genocide. 1 point to Doomguy

[short ore]

That's a pretty low bar to set

[knotty rapids]

And before you ask demons aren't a race

[keen gorge]

There are hundreds of thousands that cant clear that bar out there

[primal estuary]

HE, BUT IF HE HEATES IT WHY DOES HE DO IT TO DEMONS HUH??! CHECKMATE

[azure oriole]

You'd think, but many people here don't quite get the definition of what genocide is.

Duuurr

[burnt moss]

My only real complaint about capitalism is that it punishes those who can’t provide enough value to support their existence and self-actualization. And also it leaves a power vacuum for anyone with money to set the rules that govern humanity.

[azure oriole]

I mean that's a pretty fucking huge complaint.

Like, the kind of complaint that is currently burning Earth.

[unique spire]

It's the fundamental problem with the system

[keen gorge]

Tolerance cannot tolerate intolerence. No, that isnt a paradox. The intolerant are using that idea as a shield, because their plan is to wipe out what they don't tolerate, thus they cannot be tolerated by the tolerant.

[azure oriole]

^^^

[keen gorge]

The people who plan on doing horrible things get what they deserve, and no one is a hypocrite for helping it along

[empty drum]

Guys I got nitro

Thx to koma

[azure oriole]

(Because of this, I know many people in my state who outright support genocide by tricking themselves into believing it's "protecting children" or serving God or whatever.)

[burnt moss]

Making the tolerant intolerant, by definition. “I support free speech, unless it doesn’t conform”.

[azure oriole]

No problem, too bad it took you getting banned by mistake to get it lmfao

[empty drum]

It’s fine

[keen gorge]

No I already said that isnt how it works

[unique spire]

Except they don't the system we have in place now let those horrible people get away with horrible things on the daily

[keen gorge]

The skinheads dont plan to peacefully coexist with you

[unique spire]

Especially if those people have money

[azure oriole]

It's more "I support free speech unless it threatens the lives of entire demographics".

[hexed arch]

my only complaint about capitalism that it sucks

[burnt moss]

That’s an extremely low bar. All speech defines, and ultimately creates argument between what is and isn’t defined by it. That argument turns to violence.

[unique spire]

Right in our own industry we have people like Bobby kotick who basically cannot be pursued for what he's done because he's too rich because his position is too important

[keen gorge]

"I think this ethnicity and culture should stop existing" is not just speech

[azure oriole]

^^^

[burnt moss]

Would you rather have government fill that position?

[azure oriole]

Government already has that position lol.

[unique spire]

That's where the needling is moving towards

[azure oriole]

If someone spreads Nazi rhetoric, that isn't free speech. That dude doesn't want us to be free lol, his rhetoric establishes that many of us are worth less than others and should be extinguished. That's not free speech and shouldn't be treated as such.
Germany let a dude go around spreading rhetoric about the inferiority of a race for years. Millions of people paid the price for that. Speech turned into action, action turned into genocide.

[short ore]

Problem is that we can't allow dangerous ideas to spread because of free speech, because many people are dumb and easily manipulated into thinking very dumb stuff (whether it be intolerance, or anti science stuff)

[knotty rapids]

^^^

[unique spire]

The gaming industry doesn't want to do what's right so there's pretty much no other alternative

[burnt moss]

People should be free to be dumb. It’s acting on that dumbness that needs to be punished, when it violates the rights of others.

[odd horizon]

yo koma, is there going to be a post in announcements with mick’s response? or are u guys not allowed to do that

[karmic wave]

one of the mods here got paid off by marty so 💀

[odd horizon]

oof, guess that answers my question lol

[steady violet]

Ayo wassup guys

[short ore]

It's better to treat the problem at the root, than wait until it's too late

[azure oriole]

Hey, I'm not in charge of announcements so if there's something to be written up for release, then you won't hear it from me lol

[burnt moss]

That’s why we have a military though. If any country tried that shit again, as soon as it turned to action that country’s military would be glass.

[steady violet]

Whats the easiest way to defeat the Archvile❓ Everytime I just BFG hi

[unique spire]

Hahaha and there you have it the same capitalism corruption exists in our own server

[full tinsel]

didn't know i get paid lol

[midnight sparrow]

Whatever will make the most money. Why a lot of games just aren’t fun anymore. I’m honestly tired of battle royales and hero shooters. There all so boring to me

[burnt moss]

That’s called removing freedom in the interest of safety, and I’m adamantly against that.

[flint flame]

Ice bomb double lock on

[steady violet]

Thanks

[unique spire]

Exactly that's why I pretty much don't touch modern tripe a games with a ten foot pole

[odd horizon]

will there be an announcement tho?

[empty drum]

Ssg until dead also freeze

[flint flame]

Why would there be 🗿

[empty drum]

Or crucible

[full tinsel]

right now? not that i'm aware of.

[odd horizon]

seems like a pretty huge deal ngl

[azure oriole]

You say that but countries are currently doing that now, and the US not only ignores it but agrees with it. Like the shit happening to Palestine. Or China with the Uyghur Muslims. Hell, we did that - our country was built on it. And we're trying it again now with transgender people.
America is not the hero of the world or whatever. We're just another country, and not a very great one at that.

[burnt moss]

Government has no incentive to do right by you. That’s why I prefer the free market.

[flint flame]

From my point of view, it doesn’t concern fans like you or me or anyone. It’s their issue to resolve

[karmic wave]

america funds israeli military

[azure oriole]

:^)

[full tinsel]

no politics please

let's talk rockets go boom

or loremaster opening books

[knotty rapids]

So?

[odd horizon]

that’s fair but defamation of character ain’t cool, and it was marty who took it to the public’s eye first

[full tinsel]

reading stories

idk

[unique spire]

Except the free market is controlled by corrupt people 😆

[flint flame]

💥

[midnight sparrow]

I tried Overwatch 2 since it’s free but it’s just ok. I want a game with either a good multiplayer but more importantly with a good single player and story. Some of my favorite game series of all time are BioShock, Dishonored, and Half-Life. Games like that don’t exist anymore which is why I’m so incredibly hyped for games like Atomic Heart

[unique spire]

We're pretty much fucked either way

[azure oriole]

Resident Evil is awesome.

[karmic wave]

as the mod said, i can’t talk about it here, please educate yourself on the situation through your own research

[burnt moss]

I’m not discounting that point. But handing it to government locks it out of any one’s control.

[azure oriole]

So is Doom obviously.

You know who's especially good in destroying corruption?

The Doom Slayer.

Let’s talk about real issues. Like who has the best fries.

It's pretty fucking good. ||Ethan showing up was hype as fuck.||

Super excited for RE4 Remake.

[keen gorge]

I have done Real Survival as Chris once

[azure oriole]

I'm gonna post my RE tier list here hold on.

[hoary wharf]

can he destroy Marty

[knotty rapids]

It's not even that serious compared to other groups our country funded

[burnt moss]

Is your solution to crack down on what people are allowed to say then? Sounds too intrusive for me.

[karmic wave]

ada has me barking

[azure oriole]

We can't talk about politics.
(But, yes)

[unique spire]

Except alot of those wonderful games were made before the dark times back when the industry had to actually care about the state of something they put out 😭

[keen gorge]

I did RE4 full run about a year ago finally, and then did it again on Professional

[knotty rapids]

Same here

[azure oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930146039745376259/1039991778704637992/image.png

[karmic wave]

re4vr is an amazing experience

[flint flame]

[keen gorge]

Swap 5 and 7

[unique spire]

Like I said we're fucked either way so time to pick a poison

[burnt moss]

Sorry I categorized that more on the philosophy side than politics.

[karmic wave]

re3 😔

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-the-rock-the-rock-finally-gif-17293288

[keen gorge]

Also swap the colors. S should be sky blue

[steady violet]

What's ssg

[karmic wave]

super shotgun

[sacred dirge]

Super sausage guy

[azure oriole]

It's all good, man.

[keen gorge]

6 goes F

[unique spire]

For example loot boxes were a scenario where the government needed to step in

[azure oriole]

RE2R is a great game - I personally rank it that low because I think it was an underwhelming remake. Not a fan of how it butchered 2's story and the A/B scenario system.

[burnt moss]

I like the life I currently live, so I’m against uprooting the status quo entirely. Those less fortunate than I can do what they need to, if they need to.

[karmic wave]

battlefront 2 💀

[flint flame]

I was about to say, that’s the highest I’ve seen 5 rated

[sacred dirge]

My favorite part of resident evil is when the doom slayer went bang bang and then shot the monsters

[azure oriole]

Nah, 5 is incredible.

[patent stream]

Not to be that guy but dis hella offtopic 👀 best to continue in #general

[keen gorge]

And 6. What. My brother fanatically got every achievement in like every game, and then did 6 on the higher difficulties and ended up saying "yeah its the worst"

[azure oriole]

Man come on, we talked about politics for an hour and it was cool but now that we're talking about a fucking awesome series and it's off topic.

[burnt moss]

My main issue with the court of public opinion/cancel culture etc is it can just as easily burn down the victim’s life as the oppressor’s, if the oppressor’s rhetoric gets believed.

[keen gorge]

General is busy

[knotty rapids]

A lot of shit happened here, ngl

[azure oriole]

The nazis, resident evil, or solving the worlds problems?

[patent stream]

I will eat your lore book don’t tempt me

[azure oriole]

But #general IS BUSY. They'll DISTRACT EVERYBODY FROM MY VIRUSTALK.

[sacred dirge]

Good way to get the shits

[unique spire]

😂

[burnt moss]

@azure oriole ping me in general if you want to continue

[patent stream]

Fine only for you I’ll close my eyes and walk away

[azure oriole]

W

[keen gorge]

Damn just reminded me of Grim Adventures.
"You're reading War and Peace?"
"No. I'm eating it. Tough novel."

[patent stream]

But I want 2 mcchickens and a used tire. Goodyear

[azure oriole]

5 has the best story of the franchise, the best antagonist of the franchise, the best protagonist of the franchise, amazing combat, great gameplay, amazing co-op gameplay... It's awesome.

Also, @patent stream honestly I think you guys should make a thread for the Mick Gordon talk.

[burnt moss]

That was a form of capitalism. You have social capital so you got a pass

[azure oriole]

#general is filled with the Mickshit, if you made a thread made for that then we could go to #general uninterrupted.

[flint flame]

Interesting, I’ve gotta play it

[patent stream]

Sounds like the new combo at a McDonald’s 👀

[burnt moss]

McShit

[azure oriole]

Lmao

[knotty rapids]

What is going on exactly in general?

[sacred dirge]

It's definitely got a bad case of the mcshits