doom-eternal

[modern lintel]

Hello

[simple umbra]

glory kills and smthin else

[modern lintel]

so, just so im not losing my mind, there is a collectable or two in the fortress of doom correct

[shadow vessel]

theres 1 or 2 secrets and the rest are obtained with sentinel batteries

[sturdy saffron]

Epic, lots of loot

[modern lintel]

i stg i saw a freaking vent thing in the secound room in the fortress

[sturdy saffron]

And hammer has an amazing stun

[modern lintel]

its the same room where you place the totem thingy after getting the doc

if you look above you will see a vent or something in the cealing

and im positive that there has to be something up there

[burnt moss]

How many

[simple umbra]

pretty sure you need to do 2 glory kills

[sturdy saffron]

I see a yellow gore nest

[simple umbra]

escalation encounters?

[sturdy saffron]

Ye

[simple umbra]

if you do them a 2nd time they give you slayer skins

[sturdy saffron]

I finished first

Doing 2nd

Oh my

That was insanity

[sacred dirge]

Not sure what would cause latency in wheel swaps with a broken bumper. Usually a bumper that's broken is just that. Broken. A connected controller can help with those issues though time to time. Sorry for confusing you lol

Guess that happens often though doesn't it

[timid plank]

If it’s what I think it is, you shoot a window on the right, which turns on a vent, which takes you to the secret

[sturdy saffron]

Going to the gate of divum

[plucky dagger]

Hey guys the longer the icon of sin is on earth the stronger he will become

[sturdy saffron]

Dr. Samuel Seraphim

Indeed it is

Another escalation encounter

[burnt moss]

Lol you’re responding to the wrong person

[drowsy agate]

noted

when fighting marader try stunnig him or run around and shoot all you have at him

[neon compass]

Ballista and super shotgun

Granades and rockets behind his back too

[inner badger]

so my clast has its own spotify playlist, and my science teacher and my literacy teacher, say they will let you play anything you wont as long as its clean. I am dedicated to add Meathook to the playlist

[sturdy saffron]

Finally in immora

Bro this is sick

[steady loom]

Immora is a pretty cool place

[tulip bridge]

should I buy doom 2016 or doom eternal tag 1? (beaten main de campaign, both games are on sale for me)

[gray rivet]

Which are you leaning towards?

[tulip bridge]

kinda leaning towards doom 2016, way more longer than the dlc

[sacred dirge]

Different games though. You'll need to adjust that muscle memory

[modern lintel]

is it cannon that doom guy plays pc in his man cave?

[tulip bridge]

I'm aware

[slow sigil]

The mancave is full of easter eggs, hard to tell what is and isn't canon

[burnt moss]

TAG is more fun

[modern lintel]

i keep telling myself that its canon that doom guy just picks up random toys of his enemies and himself while in the middle of his crusade

[strange gale]

i guess this is technically a 6blade now? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587470315790139405/1014655913543598110/1920.mp4

like that's 4800 infinitely piercing damage going out on the same frame

[pine crow]

That sound is music to my ears

[sacred dirge]

Tag is great but the entirety of doom 2016.. great deal. Plus the games a fucking banger

[strange gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689356001383940097/1014670396546617404/165.mp4

[sacred dirge]

You think he ll be okay ?

[burnt moss]

From a console perspective, I hate changing muscle memory between 2016 and Eternal

[sacred dirge]

That makes sense. Even in general people have issues switching between them

[sturdy saffron]

Got the gold bfg let's goo

[shadow vessel]

nice

[sturdy saffron]

How do I change this empress title thing

[shadow vessel]

by going to titles

[sturdy saffron]

Not that

The word Empress is above it

[burnt moss]

But on PC I could map it the same way on both games.

[warm heron]

Just recently got DOOM 2016 and Eternal at a discount! Look forward to play these games on PC proper!

[shadow vessel]

nice

[sacred dirge]

Eh good point !

[azure oriole]

havent played this game in a while

[mystic vault]

doom

[timid plank]

So I was at the part of holt where you get the possessed tyrant, I killed everything killed the possessed tyrant, then got clipped out of bounds before I could kill its spirit and it still saved checkpoint

Does anybody who has looked into the code of the game know how the spirits are handled? There was also a time where I was doing a secret encounter and it counted as me beating the encounter even though a spirit was still left unkilled, so I wonder they’re not coded as regular enemies

[alpine plaza]

the first time i played through the first secret encounter in the holt i managed to beat it while hiding in a corner

[timid plank]

Lol

[alpine plaza]

luck ended at the second one

[timid plank]

Second one was really easy tbh, just one marauder who you can lure into the room so that you can just duel him, the just a blood maykr who you can kill in one shot, and a lot of time to do it

[alpine plaza]

yea it wasnt that much of a challenge

[azure oriole]

How do you get it?

[flint flame]

Tag 2 nightmare

[cyan frigate]

if anyone on xbox can come help me with some battlemode stuff right now id be forever grateful please dm me if youre down

[burnt moss]

I just watched a Doom Hunter, fully shielded still, fall off his sled and die. I hadn’t seen him or shot him (to my knowledge). Arc Slayer Gate

[azure oriole]

Sounds like you got incredibly lucky. Only things I’ve noticed in TAG 1 is that sometimes it (secret encounter) is completed when I have one small enemy left and the animation interrupts it. And in general the DLC seem a bit buggier than campaign.

[mellow otter]

60 different slayer skins and counting

[burnt moss]

This was base game. And yesterday there was an invisible immortal pain elemental on the Final Sin. I lost 4 extra lives to him.

[alpine plaza]

ouch

[burnt moss]

I didn’t actually need any of those extra lives; I still had 18 and used none (HMP)

[alpine plaza]

i havent played hmp in a while

must feel nice

[burnt moss]

I switched from Gyro to Joystick so I have to start over and retrain

[alpine plaza]

ahh i see

[azure oriole]

Arc slayergate is not fresh on my mind cause it was a while ago when I completed them. But sounds weird tbh. What platform that happened?

[alpine plaza]

doing pretty good overall

[burnt moss]

It’s the one that starts with a couple tyrants. Xbox Series S.

[burnt moss]

Yeah I’m starting to finally feel like I can shoot the demons decently well. After a TON of tweaking with sensitivity etc.

[alpine plaza]

how high is it?

[burnt moss]

Got it down to 30h20v

[alpine plaza]

pretty good to start out

[burnt moss]

Started at like 100 haha

[alpine plaza]

i think i have it on 72h62v or something

gotta start from the bottom and then keep working your way up

[azure oriole]

I think I have always had it higher end.. but it feels super weird cause I started with look smoothing on. I think I have both of them like 60/50

[alpine plaza]

what i did was upping the sens by 2 everytime i felt like it

[azure oriole]

I kinda do the same

[alpine plaza]

worked out pretty good

[alpine plaza]

do you play on console?

[azure oriole]

Yeah. it feels odd compared to other fps like after destiny it felt so off and I feel like I couldn’t play. But when I earlier played it felt fine 😂

[burnt moss]

Bob recommended keeping smoothing on. Any idea what its value is?

[alpine plaza]

i think i have it on default

[azure oriole]

I’ve turned it to ages ago 0% but I used to have it before that 10% for longest time, before that I think it was like 70%

[alpine plaza]

how do yall hold your controller?

[burnt moss]

I mean what’s it good for

[alpine plaza]

i have an xbox controller and ive seen people use their index finger for buttons and their middle one on the trigger

[burnt moss]

Pointer on shoulder button, middle on trigger

[alpine plaza]

same now that i think about it

[azure oriole]

Oh why did he recommend that? Most recommend to turn it off but it depends I guess what you’re used to.

[alpine plaza]

i tried using my index for buttons for a while but im very used to my regular grip so i dont think its worth the struggle

[burnt moss]

Yeah exactly. It’s working for me but IDK why

[burnt moss]

You mean shoulder buttons right? R L?

[alpine plaza]

the a x b y buttons

[burnt moss]

Ah claw

[azure oriole]

And yes on console.

[alpine plaza]

you already replied to that message 🤨

[burnt moss]

Why do I have 29 extra weapon points?

[azure oriole]

Oh if you meant claw that sounds painful. While some people can do that, my hand hurts even from regular so yeah I could maybe if ps4 controller but ps5 controller definitely not.

[gray rivet]

Hi, how's playing(aiming) with sticks been?

[azure oriole]

I did…? Sorry I’m forgetful lol. I thought so but I was not sure

[alpine plaza]

it was painful, never trying it again

[burnt moss]

Getting better, now I’ve dropped sensitivity to 30h20v. Just finished a HMP run and I’m going through now doing 100%

[gray rivet]

Nice, nice

[azure oriole]

Do you usually play low or high sense (in fps or shooters in general)?

[gray rivet]

30h20v, what is that scale? Or what is that?

[burnt moss]

Whatever Goldeneye sensitivity is haha

[burnt moss]

30/100 Horizontal Sensitivity

20/100 Vertical Sensitivity

[gray rivet]

Ohhh I see

[azure oriole]

YouTuber?

[burnt moss]

What?

[azure oriole]

What goldeneye sensitivity? I’m confused.

[burnt moss]

Goldeneye 007, the N64 FPS that helped pave the way for the modern FPS

Before playing Doom I just played Goldeneye on N64

[azure oriole]

So you’re saying that same sense as you used in that game, you use now in eternal?

[burnt moss]

You asked me what I usually use. In Goldeneye there’s no adjustable sensitivity, but whatever it defaults to is what I’m used to.

I did not start playing Doom with any previous preferences on sensitivity.

[azure oriole]

Oh that makes sense then. I started Doom and I guess usually I like to play shooters with higher sense. Some prefer lower so that’s why I wondered.

[simple umbra]

zombies should be placed on the super heavy demons list

[burnt moss]

Idk what mine is. I’d guess lower

[simple umbra]

I never change my sensitivity and just play it on normal

[azure oriole]

Idk how you can do that. Like instantly when I started Doom 2016, the game felt so slow, and that was in the first encounter already. 😂 It’s pretty much usually always first thing I will have to adjust

[simple umbra]

my mouse has high sensitivity that's prob why, but the main game sensitivity I never touched

[waxen field]

I mean did you see that slide they do on high frame rate? It’s op.

[burnt moss]

I’m trying that now

Except dropping weapon wheel delay

[waxen field]

That’s what I do cause playing on console with high sensitivity is finicky to say the least.

[burnt moss]

Well I just ran through SGN with those default settings and it actually feels pretty good.

Why do people hate on aim assist? It was on and I didn’t feel like it did anything bad.

[alpine plaza]

later on in the more difficult levels it can get quite annoying

though i dont know if my aim is good enough to disable it

[burnt moss]

I’ll watch for that. I assume it points at the closest demon even if you’re trying to aim past him?

[alpine plaza]

i had this happened a lot in tag1 during the holt

when trying to kill blood maykrs and this dumb zombie stands in front of me and ruins my shot

[burnt moss]

I didn’t realize I could beat SGN in 20 min. It always feels so long.

[burnt moss]

“Get down, mr president”

[alpine plaza]

lol

[waxen field]

Normal or master level?

[burnt moss]

Normal. HMP.

I’ve been taking it easy while I sort out this aiming issue

[waxen field]

Yea it’s deceptively short, especially if you skip enemy encounters.

[burnt moss]

You mean secret encounters?

[waxen field]

And for example the fight with the buff totem after getting the chaingun can be largely skipped after destroying the totem.

[burnt moss]

Yeah I totally dined and dashed on that one

I still can’t make SLOB work 😦 wish I knew what I’m doing wrong

[simple umbra]

what does aim assist change exactly

[simple umbra]

wats SLOB

[burnt moss]

Probably moves your gun to aim at the closest demon

[burnt moss]

Sylar Lock on Burst.

[simple umbra]

oh

[burnt moss]

A YouTuber found a way to fire two LOBS in quick succession

[simple umbra]

what weapon mod deals the most damage

[burnt moss]

LOB and Dblade

[simple umbra]

now I wanna see how many fully powered dblades take to kill a baron

[burnt moss]

There’s a spreadsheet pinned to this server

[simple umbra]

ok

[burnt moss]

About 3

[silk moon]

Anyone know what id is planning for Doom Eternal after this mega event ends? I haven't seen any news on it.

[burnt moss]

I think I have to re-map the crucible to stand a chance on the master levels. That means I’ll have to unmap either HC, Ballista, or RL (to the weapon wheel) and eliminate Plasma rifle entirely

[simple umbra]

the only master level i've done so far is the cultist base one

[burnt moss]

I don’t have that one

[warped sage]

Maybe we’ll be left with an eventless Eternal, or another set of event repeats.

You see, the Events section of DOOM Eternal has always been stuffed with, well, events, since the game came out. However, now it’s inevitable that it may be, for the first time, empty.

That may happen if id decides to stop even repeats of events.

[nova knot]

Arc Complex ML is easier

[slow sigil]

I mean it wouldnt cost that much effort to just write an algorithm that just automatically rerolls events

[alpine plaza]

why is it that i cant see cultist base ml?

[slow sigil]

Cause you don't have the rip and tear pack

[alpine plaza]

oh okay thanks

[slow sigil]

It's not worth getting it though

[waxen field]

Your not missing much it’s the second worst master level

[sturdy saffron]

Wait I didn't do TAG 2 nightmare but I have gold bfg

I thought it was completing all the uh

[simple umbra]

gold bfg is for the optional encounters, you need to do them all and get the gold bfg

[sturdy saffron]

Yeah that

[simple umbra]

every other gold weapon is obtained by doing TAG 2 nightmare

except combat

[sturdy saffron]

So completing TAG 2 nightmare gives you a bunch of gold weapons?

[slow sigil]

Basically

[simple umbra]

yea

and ultra nightmare on TAG 2 gives you skull face slayer I think

[slow sigil]

Yup, with shitty gloves making the skin worthless

[simple umbra]

is TAG 1 UN skin worth it?

[shell radish]

all depends on personal preference

imo maykr and variations look better

[simple umbra]

eh I'm gonna just stick to hellforged slayer

[slow sigil]

Not really, it used to be cooler with the blade glowing but they took it away so it really looks bad now

[shell radish]

but i wouldn't know without google bc i never got my maykr skin

[simple umbra]

does maykr slayer skin exist

[burnt moss]

Anyone here interested in giving advice on SLOB? I now can’t do it on 2 consoles

[sturdy saffron]

Makyr slayer looks cool

[shell radish]

its an id conspiracy to make people buy tag 1

[slow sigil]

Yeah, you should get it when getting tag1

[slow sigil]

Skin is like half the content sheez

[lunar mulch]

Okay. I need help. I was playing Ultra Nightmare, I'm on Arc Complex and I reach the room with the Berserk. I use the Berserk and somehow managed to no clip out of the map while glory killing. I am now falling through an infinitely black abyss. Is there any way to not have to start over?

[sturdy saffron]

I just finished Immora so after beating TAG 2 I'm gonna try and beat Campaign on UN

[slow sigil]

Poor soul

[shell radish]

alt f4

[lunar mulch]

Insert backrooms joke here but seriously.

[sturdy saffron]

This is very sad

[slow sigil]

On pc, open taskmanager and forceclose doom via that

[lunar mulch]

Well, I'm playing on Xbox One...

[shell radish]

press home button then manually press quit

[sturdy saffron]

Gonna have to quit doom

[slow sigil]

Should also be a way to forceclose your game, idk what it was though

[lunar mulch]

Hope this works.

[burnt moss]

Good luck

[sturdy saffron]

Man's never gonna use berserk again

[simple umbra]

reminds me of how I lost my UN run on complex because my game bugged

[shell radish]

ive done it b4 should work

[sturdy saffron]

I hope campaign UN isn't too hard

[slow sigil]

It's mostly tedious

"Oh yay i gotta redo these arenas i already fully remember cause i died once time to waste another 7 hours"

[lunar mulch]

It worked!!! Thank you!

[shell radish]

np

[azure oriole]

Break down step by step how you are trying to do it now.

[lunar mulch]

And it didnt do that thing where it loaded in without my weapons.

[sturdy saffron]

Wait if you die once on UN do you start from the beginning?

[shell radish]

yeah thats the whole point

[near nest]

Does modding hands fov effect performance?

[sturdy saffron]

What about nightmare

[lunar mulch]

Yeah. It's ball busting but it's worth it.

[slow sigil]

That's literally what it says yeah

[shell radish]

nightmare you restart at the last checkpoint

[sturdy saffron]

Wow

[lunar mulch]

Like normal.

[slow sigil]

Like normal, but dont try to do UN without having done normal NM lmfao

[sturdy saffron]

I might just do nightmare to get good enough to do UN

[shell radish]

im fine on nightmare but my skills die when i get to icon of sin on UN

[sturdy saffron]

[simple umbra]

I'm gonna do nightmare TAG 2 once I finish school today

[lunar mulch]

I've been trying to beat UN for a while now, I can't get past Urdak because of the damn Khan Maykr.

[slow sigil]

Ehhhhhh not really. But hey if you dont have any other games to play

[azure oriole]

It only does that if you force close mid combat and at low health I think

[slow sigil]

Use lock on and just spam it on her.

[lunar mulch]

I picked up a strat where you rocket barrage like 4 times- yeah.

[sturdy saffron]

Ballista and LOB becomes your best friend

[azure oriole]

i died on khan maykr

[near nest]

I think NM is easier then UV. Easier to control space cuz of agro

[lunar mulch]

Up until that point I never knew you could Lock On to the Khan Maykr.

Btw what's LOB?

[sturdy saffron]

Lock on burst

[azure oriole]

lock on burst

[simple umbra]

lobster

[burnt moss]

1. Mod button + trigger 2. Hold trigger, release Mod, press rocket 3. (On rocket firing) release trigger, press and hold Mod 4. Trigger

[lunar mulch]

Oh, doy...

[near nest]

Think stagger is better tho

[sturdy saffron]

Lmao

[slow sigil]

More enemies can attack you at once, they do more damage, and attack more cause they are more aggressive
That does not make it easier lol

[sturdy saffron]

I'm gonna miss the Hammer in NM campaign

[simple umbra]

well you get the crucible

[azure oriole]

it bad

[simple umbra]

but thats near the end anyway

[shell radish]

archvile killer ^^^

[sturdy saffron]

I still prefer hammer

[lunar mulch]

I think what he meant is they use their super attacks more often which take a second to charge up making them slightly less aggressive than UV.

[near nest]

Seems more predictable. Ut ive only gotten to gore nest on it

[azure oriole]

other weapons lob freeze

[simple umbra]

to me the hammer was amazing

[lunar mulch]

The Hammer was a perfect addition.

[sturdy saffron]

Hammer has amazing stun and gives tons of loot

[shell radish]

its a safe way to quickly kill it if your worried about messing up like on UN

[sturdy saffron]

Plus you can recharge it with glory kills and weak points

[simple umbra]

really good against super heavy demons and the dark lord

[slow sigil]

It's less predictable cause more enemies can attack you at once, maybe you just think it cause you got better

[sturdy saffron]

Don't need only ammo drop like crucible

[slow sigil]

No it wasnt. It was completely batshit OP

[alpine plaza]

werent you that guy who said crucible was better than hammer? 🤨

[sturdy saffron]

No

[alpine plaza]

huh you have the same pfp then

[solar inlet]

who the 😭

[sturdy saffron]

Lol

This is a pretty good pfp

[shell radish]

i had a ton of fun using hammer so i could care less if it was op, its not like they added it in pvp or anything

[near nest]

Idk could be

[slow sigil]

Lots of people arent creative and just take official doomguy poses

[alpine plaza]

its pretty good ngl

[simple umbra]

I barely used the crucible during campaign

[sturdy saffron]

But when the icon of sin comes you are addicted to it

[shell radish]

thats an emote???

[sturdy saffron]

What

[slow sigil]

No but it's fairly annoying considering tag2 already was easy af. And then you have a hammer you can barely enjoy cause every encounter becomes the same bare hammer spam while absolutely destroying everyone

[azure oriole]

when sin dont summons shit you dont need to use that shit.

[slow sigil]

It's like if ssg-bal was the only viable weaponcombo, kinda boring

[solar inlet]

oh you like having the slayer as your pfp? name all the users in this server all with slayer pfps that you can rip straight from Google.

[alpine plaza]

icon of sin is pretty easy once you have a strategy

[sturdy saffron]

No

[sturdy saffron]

Run.

[shell radish]

it was easier than tag 1 but its not like its so dramatically easier that it destroys all forms of enjoyment, its harder than anything in base campaign

[shell radish]

icon of butt

[alpine plaza]

keep moving, kill fodder with ssg to gain health, kill big demons with crucible and repeat

[azure oriole]

bfg the sin.

[solar inlet]

jump pads carry

[alpine plaza]

also that

[slow sigil]

Yeah but after playing tag1 it's jist kinda disappointing, you did some hard content and now you go on to the next content and you basically.... barely have to try

[simple umbra]

the bfg shot misses 🤣

[sturdy saffron]

I don't really use the bfg ever

[azure oriole]

That sounds right. The swap from pb to rocket is probably too slow, it needs to be instant.
Hit rocket launcher the instant you have fired pb.
Also let go off mod button before you swap to rl.

[alpine plaza]

heavy carry

[slow sigil]

A backwards difficulty curve doesnt really fit at all

It just feels... off for tag2, and the unbalanced hammer certainly doesnt help

[sturdy saffron]

I woulda prefered hammer over crucible in campaign

[alpine plaza]

gotta give it to tag2 for the amazing environment

[slow sigil]

Well yeah, crucible is solely a marketing tool

[azure oriole]

then campaign would be too easy.

[simple umbra]

I kinda enjoyed tag 2 more

[sturdy saffron]

Tag 2 is really fun

[shell radish]

fair, but idk if they could have done anything to make the game harder without it becoming three master levels which a general audience would have an insanely difficult time beating

[slow sigil]

Yeqh but i dnt base my gameplay extensions on how good they look

[mental stone]

I know what you're referring to, but I keep imagining the Doomslayer playing tag.

[shell radish]

people also have gotten crazy good since tag1 came out

[sturdy saffron]

[solar inlet]

this is canon

[slow sigil]

They could have made it just the same diffculty as tag1 and it wouldnt be as bad, not.... easier for some reason

[simple umbra]

I'm probably gonna test out different sensitivities when I can

[mental stone]

Doomslayer [to Baron of Hell] Tag, you're it!

Blows head off.

[shell radish]

enough people probably found tag 1 too hard to where they compromised, just my assumption, i cant think of any other reason to make the game easier

[jaunty vapor]

I still say it's not the difficulty of TAG2 that made it worse but rather just the design of the arenas being very boring/uninspired.

[solar inlet]

2016 hell baron glory kill

[jaunty vapor]

Both the arenas themselves, and the enemy spawns, are just very one note/boring. A LOT of World Spear in particular is just "fodder spam"

[azure oriole]

I'm betting it's the timing of inputs after pb shot.
So fire pb, immediately let go off mod button and hit rocket launcher.
Practice quick scoping first if you aren't comfortable with it.

[jaunty vapor]

Wtf do you mean spamming Vega?!

[slow sigil]

It's not a compromise though. And yeah it's probably it, and if you went through tag1, you can go through it again so making it the same general difficulty as tag1 would still be fine

[jaunty vapor]

Jesus Christ you type a LITTLE fast and suddenly Vega gets all high and mighty

[simple umbra]

typical Vega

[jaunty vapor]

Anyways, I think the best arenas are probably after Hammer in World Spear, and the ending of Reclaimed Earth. Everything else is very meh

[slow sigil]

That too. Mix between lack of challenge and lack of interesting encounters

[jaunty vapor]

and i wouldn't even say that RE's arena is that good, though RE overall is at least decent.

[slow sigil]

First arena of reclaimed was also fairly okayish

[jaunty vapor]

But Immora is just so booooooring

[slow sigil]

First real arena, not the weird armoured baron introduction

[simple umbra]

holt was kinda bad ngl

[shell radish]

i like the immora place with side walkways where demons are on either side shooting at ya

idk if thats too vague

[jaunty vapor]

wait

Holt good, Immora bad

Got them mixed up lol

[simple umbra]

eh I liked immora

[jaunty vapor]

The arena after the Marauders + Screechers?

[shell radish]

think so

[slow sigil]

Immora feels incredibly weak for a fullon war of sentinels against demons

[jaunty vapor]

I think that one's the most interesting arena, I don't think it was great but it's nice

I actually think Marauder + Screechers is one of the best fight designs in the game considering how shit they were at utilizing screechers elsewhere

But overall Immora's just very bland, not to mention the penultimate fight being STONE IMP SPAM >_>

[shell radish]

lol

[azure oriole]

screamers and that mara arena was good

[slow sigil]

Truelly eternals biggest challenge

[azure oriole]

almost died during my un attempt

[slow sigil]

Forcing you to use FA

[jaunty vapor]

"Guys guys guys, this is the FINAL arena in ALL of the Doom series before the final boss, we need something EPIC and UNFORGETABLE, something to CHALLENGE the players"

"How about the easiest to kill enemies in the game especially with that new weapon we gave? The ones that are very boring to fight since they conceptually just need a specific weapon to kill?"

"BRILLIANT"

[shell radish]

i do wish it had a bit more demons considering its signifiance in the story but i still really enjoyed the environment itself with all the fighting going on around you

[jaunty vapor]

The environment was alright (I'm still iffy on the whole "avengers cutscene" blah blah but for what the level is, i think the visuals are alright)

[slow sigil]

If they ended it like 1 arena before it would be fine lmfao

[jaunty vapor]

Althouuuuuuuugh there's a lot of "brown rocks" in the first half which kinda make it boring too :/

[slow sigil]

Cool skybox though, but that's it

[jaunty vapor]

It's like the fighting in the background took so much resources, they just "BROWNED" everything else lol

[slow sigil]

And it doesnt really.... feel as an epic battle of sentinels against demons.
Remove the skybox and it's incredibly meh

[jaunty vapor]

A friend of mine constantly brings up my video talking about TAG2 and the design of it and what not. I barely even remember the video but I do remember being very negative toward the design as a whole (plus the detrimental changes to speedrunning)

[shell radish]

what happened to speedrunning?

[slow sigil]

Plus ngl i dont dig rhe "red makyr" aesthetics too much for the LITERAL capital of hell itself but that's a more personal thing

[burnt moss]

Any advice where to practice? Nutmilk swears by Final Sin but it’s not working for me

[slow sigil]

Nekroval maybe? Just skip the first arena and practice on the tyrant there while using the powerup to kill everything else

[shell radish]

this is pretty random but I have a conspiracy theory that a reason we didn't get any really new demons besides blood maykrs is because it would take too long to create the destrucible demon system they have, which is why all new enemies are reskins / die in one shot / do not require damaged models

[slow sigil]

Well, yeah. Pretty much

[shell radish]

oh is this common knowledge?

[jaunty vapor]

The long story short is that a LOT of stuff gets patched out randomly. And while it most likely isn't actually malicious or "targetting speedrunners", a lot of the changes definitely wouldn't have affected a general player

Also yeah, there's definitely a lot of "reworked" assets. My favorite bit of that is because TAG2 demons didn't need to worry about Crucible, several of them flash as if they're glory killable if you equip Crucible

Which kind of gives insight that Crucible, while having a damage value, also just "makes enemies glory killable", if that makes sense.

[shell radish]

makes sense

[azure oriole]

Reclaimed overall is a good level

[unborn sorrel]

I pulled out my crucible on the cultists at the cultist base level and they all glowed blue, but if I unequipped it, it stopped. So kinda yeah

[jaunty vapor]

WAIT REALLY?! I need to look into that, that makes so much sense!

They have my favorite glitch in the game, if you Dblade them, their red outfits turn white because they definitely don't have 'bisected models' and so use the default white clothed zombie

[shell radish]

guys in red shirts at the deag ranak hologram?

[unborn sorrel]

yeah

[azure oriole]

Practice on the tyrant in start of world spear master level.
You can reload checkpoint for easy redos

Just hammer the imps and you have lots of space and time with the tyrant

[burnt moss]

No DLC on Xbox 😦

[azure oriole]

Sounds like a "you" problem

Jk nekravol 1 is also good

There's a checkpoint before the tyrant and you get there pretty fast

[azure oriole]

See above

[burnt moss]

Yeah I’m there now. Found a high wall to stand on too

[azure oriole]

And as with all swap techs you repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat... until you are consistent in practice "mode".
Then you have to get consistent mid combat too but learning a new tech whilst mid combat is really difficult so you need the training room first

[burnt moss]

Wish there was a training room. This is chaos

[azure oriole]

PC players have a massive advantage in this regard yeah (console spawns and notarget).
That said I learned slobs the way you are training it now so it's doable just takes more effort.

Tip: replay the mission with infinite ammo cheat.
So you don't have to worry about ammo + you can just keep freezing the tyrant

[sturdy saffron]

What about that prison in the fortress of doom

[azure oriole]

Is only accessible a limited number of times

[sturdy saffron]

[azure oriole]

Plus the mixed enemies and arena layout make it less than ideal for swaptech training

[burnt moss]

Yeah a bullet sponge is needed

[azure oriole]

You really want a single big guy alone in a simple room

[burnt moss]

#videos message

Xbox’s share feature is cool

[sturdy saffron]

For practice I would just repeat SGN (Its also an excuse to get Gold Combat Shotgun)

[burnt moss]

How do you get that?

[azure oriole]

Btw @burnt moss gladiator bossfight is also good for training.
Just replay with infinite ammo and sentinel armor cheats and just spam whatever swaps you want.
Gladiator blocks your shots so it won't die fast

[sturdy saffron]

Complete every single difficulty on SGN

[azure oriole]

ML*

[burnt moss]

I tried that too. Phase 2 was ok

[sturdy saffron]

?

[burnt moss]

You should have said Master Level

[sturdy saffron]

Why not SGN

[azure oriole]

sgn ml is from where you get gold shotty skin from completing all 4 diffs on all challanges

[burnt moss]

Super Gore nest does not have herds of heavies like Super Gore Nest Master Level does.

[azure oriole]

not normal sgn

[sturdy saffron]

Oops mb, SGN ML

[azure oriole]

Freeze the tyrant (infinite ammo means infinite equipment too)

Yeah swap from pb to rocket is not fast enough.
You can see that you come back from scoped to normal view before swap to rl

The swap needs to be so you go from quick scope to rocket

[sturdy saffron]

Ok what's the difference in SGN and the SGN ML

[azure oriole]

i just realised that tmr going to school

You can also use chaingun which might be easier as you needn't quickscope

[burnt moss]

Others have said any automatic weapon works for this, not just PB. I’ve been led to believe HC base fire works as well

[azure oriole]

sgn is just a normal campaign lvl with noraml number of demons and overall.

and sgn ml is not campaign lvl it is just sgn but harder with alot of more zombies and heavies, and it does not count to the story, cuz it is a master level.
i hope i said that well.

[azure oriole]

Yeah, if you use hc base fire you must fire a single bullet only tho

[sturdy saffron]

How do you do SGN ML

[azure oriole]

Plasma, full auto and chaingun work too

[slow sigil]

You start it up and play it

[burnt moss]

Same with the other weapons? Only one shot?

[azure oriole]

in doom fortress you have that little tablet where it says master levels

and in the main menu of your campaign save you can go to masterlvls

[azure oriole]

The primer weapon does not affect swap speed though but ofc using base fire as primer is easier

[sturdy saffron]

Oh okay, thanks

[azure oriole]

No only with hc.
With others you HAVE to keep firing for a bit

[burnt moss]

Why is that?

I can’t get the other demons to spawn

They wait until I’m working on the Tyrant to mess with me

[azure oriole]

Auto weapons must reach rate of fire stabilization first.
Why HC is an exception idk

@burnt moss try to replicate this first:
#videos message

You needn't fire 8 shots with full auto though, just 2 is enough

The execution is same as with pb but you needn't do a quickscope

[sturdy saffron]

Don't even know how many times I watched that

[burnt moss]

Accidentally reached checkpoint lol

[azure oriole]

Worst mistake you can do in training, xd

I literally do that everytime

Now you have to reset

when I try to learn speedrunning

Okay would you guys actually like a video of "all the ways to do SLOBs"?

Well all common ways, there are probably some advanced ways I'm unaware of

[azure oriole]

Is the second part of the video you firing just one rocket and then lock on rocket?

[azure oriole]

Yeah the tech is called Sylar lock on burst or SLOB short

[azure oriole]

Yeah. I thought so. About that, I have a question. Would using the other mod (not the shotguns FA mod) work for that too? Probably not as it won’t be as quick…

[burnt moss]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/S6YZHGZA

Does this link work for you guys? I’m new to this console

[azure oriole]

No only certain mods and weapons work:
Mods:
Full auto
Precision bolt
Microwave beam

Weapons (base fire):
Heavy cannon (single bullet only)
Plasma rifle
Chaingun

[azure oriole]

Tbh I use PB but is it useless if I don’t always hit the target perfectly at all? Quickscoping while moving on console is a bit awkward.

[azure oriole]

For slobs? No you can miss the pb shot entirely

The tech doesn't depend on hitting the target just correct setup and swap / input timing

[burnt moss]

I couldn’t get it to work on FA either

[azure oriole]

More training needed then.
You either need to get the swap more fluent or you are hitting some other button somewhere instinctively or accidentally

[burnt moss]

I’m going to work with Chaingun. Using a mod is more complicated

[azure oriole]

Your description of what you are trying sounded right so either you need to execute better or your description lacks something

[burnt moss]

Exactly why I’ve been so sure there was a problem with my console

[azure oriole]

I'm 99 % certain you just need to get the swap to rl more fluent

But that's way easier to do with base fire

[burnt moss]

Since I have RL mapped its as simple as pressing the button

[azure oriole]

Yeah. Then immediately after the rocket fires let go of fire and lock on

[burnt moss]

How long do I need to do Chaingun

[azure oriole]

You need to fire the chaingun for abt 2 seconds or so first

It's not specific though, as long as you fire long enough it will work

[burnt moss]

This is dumb

Thanks anyway

[azure oriole]

Keep trying it's simple on paper but takes some practice

[burnt moss]

Practice doesn’t make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. Unless I can identify what I’m messing up, a thousand repetitions won’t get me closer

[azure oriole]

See post in videos.
Actually the swap to rl is probably all right as the rocket fires during bring up, try to hit lock on a lil faster after the first rocket

And let go of fire a lil faster

In 10minutes I'm gonna meet society

[burnt moss]

After single rocket?

[azure oriole]

Yes

[burnt moss]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/ZJCJP4NC I think I did it here. Audio is my clue, as it’s not super visible

[burnt moss]

@azure oriole I felt like this was perfect execution but it still didn’t work. Can you tell what was wrong? https://www.xbox.com/play/media/LXD8TJ7U

[azure oriole]

Nerf marauder

[azure oriole]

he can be killed in 5seconds

[warped sage]

On Blood Swamps you can kill a Possessed Marauder in just seconds right as it was spawning.

[strange gale]

buffed = possessed btw

[azure oriole]

Not taking effort sry

[random vault]

lmfao

goofy response

[shadow vessel]

buff marauder

[azure oriole]

Yeah the last attempt was successful, you fired a double slob.
Practice that more, you did it by firing a single base shot first.
Also your swap from pb to rl is too slow yeah, maybe you can't reach the rl button fast enough if also using mod button or smth

[azure oriole]

Wdym it did work, you fired a single slob.
The second one won't fire if you press fire or alt fire during the first lob firing, you probably pressed either by mistake.

[azure oriole]

If you mean the energy shield exploit, it has been patched

[azure forum]

Were you able to pull SLOBs in Xbox?

[gentle mulch]

the marauder is easy, i beat him in 10s

[shadow vessel]

fr

[simple umbra]

for marauder you just combo and he dies quick

[gentle mulch]

"my eyes have been open, let me help you to see, SLAYER", Doomguy/Doom Slayer :"And i will show you death by my SUPER SHOTGUN"

i love this weapon btw

[warped sage]

If it was ever patched then idk, I swear it still worked the last time I played it in late 2021.

[strange gale]

yea and the game's been updated several fucking times since then

[azure forum]

Damn son, that's almost a year ago.

[simple umbra]

do you get anything from defeating dark lord on nightmare

[shadow vessel]

Yes, Immoran Altar podium

[simple umbra]

might as well do it since I'm doing a TAG 2 nm run

[shadow vessel]

i finished mine like 2 days ago

Dark lord was def the easiest part of it

[valid wren]

It takes seconds to kill him with the most basic combo

thats not effort

[sacred dirge]

Nerf them.. because getting good is to hard

[azure oriole]

Doom room

:angry emoji: :angry emoji: x10 🤣

[azure oriole]

Ok mr golden doomguy

[shadow vessel]

ok mr scout from tf2

[azure oriole]

I suck at the game soo much and marauders are assholes to me

They always try to use their shotgun and i just dont know how to avoid it

I try keeping them in mid range as much as i can but they dash into me and i cant react fast enough

[azure oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G6czoJPSdI

[azure oriole]

Thx

[valid wren]

Instead of saying theyre the worse you could have searched how to kill them on youtube, as anybody would

[azure oriole]

I have and some guy said use grenades and ballista shots at his feet

And remote detonate behind him

when you watch pro tutorials, and you aren't even a pro.

and then everyone knows what happens

[sacred dirge]

Soon... soon. I bought a new caco too. Someone was selling it at uni

[azure oriole]

Wait Rem det? on mara who uses that?

[azure oriole]

Soon I will die with my 8hours of school.

[sacred dirge]

Nope

Shit people already going back to school

[azure oriole]

yeah, it's been that fast. 70days

I will be active on pc for less than an hour, making me unactual genshin player.

[sacred dirge]

Fake gamer

[azure oriole]

literally.

Imagine gaming for less than an hour a day, literally not a tru gamer. 🤣

[unborn sorrel]

off topic but is tighnari good?

[azure oriole]

I don't have him

but the dendro buffed electro as hell

but I didn't pulled for him, I save for ganyu I already got zhongli. soo

[unborn sorrel]

I have raiden so imma try to getem

[azure oriole]

and I might say that dendro MC might be better than tighnari

[unborn sorrel]

fr?

[azure oriole]

I guess from what I heard.

and that tighnari is coming to standard banner in 3.1

[unborn sorrel]

lmao mc finally getting a buff

[azure oriole]

yeah it is like S tier.

[unborn sorrel]

so soon?

[azure oriole]

cuz of the reactions it can do with electro.

[azure oriole]

I guess.

[unborn sorrel]

in that case Im going to pull him on his event banner since I have the highest pity compared to standard

[azure oriole]

I'm just saying yk, pull for him if you like to.

I pulled for zhongli and got him in strong 50/50 win

[unborn sorrel]

oof, I wanted zhongli and ganyu so bad but I decided to save up for raiden, I'm f2p so that was a hard decision to make

[azure oriole]

I want raiden to, but I heard she's getting a rerun this year. dec 3rd
only rumors

if I get ganyu in 15/20pulls and win 50/50 then, I might save for raiden if the rumors are true and she will get a rerun.

[burnt moss]

A bit lol

[unborn sorrel]

I still won't pull since c1 raiden is not very useful compared to other c0 5 stars like ganyu, zhongli etc.

[azure oriole]

tho we better move this convo to the #general chat.

[unborn sorrel]

yeah

[simple umbra]

ok i finnaly beat TAG 2 on nightmare

[burnt moss]

RL is Dpad down, and mod is left trigger. If there’s an issue reaching RL it’s probably due to the deep trigger squeeze on this controller.

[burnt moss]

All these rules nobody mentioned before. I didn’t know the HC could only fire 1 shot, or that you can’t just spam fire (which is probably why it did single SLOB) or that there’s such a thing as single SLOB.

[burnt moss]

Nerf them because their AI is garbage so they don’t attack when they’re supposed and you have to sit there exposed to all the demons trying to coax them toward you like a lost puppy.

[digital jewel]

Why would the Marauder be nerfed? That makes zero sense

[burnt moss]

Or preferably fixed

[digital jewel]

He's not even hard, so they're no point, and fixing certain inconsistencies with his behavior isn't a "nerf" anyway

Fixing, sure... But he should NOT be "nerfed"

He's challenging to new players, easy to skilled players

It's just as it should be

[jaunty vapor]

I don't think this is necessarily true, I often spam click and SLOBS still fires on repeat (though spamming isn't necessary obviously, I just have bad muscle memory)

[burnt moss]

Especially double marauders are a huge thorn in my side because of how much attention they require, with other demons around and also alone.

[digital jewel]

Double Marauders can still be very fun

[burnt moss]

Any idea why I only got single SLOB on my 8-second clip 7 hrs ago

[digital jewel]

The only time I found double Marauders frustrating was in the Taras Nabad master level

[jaunty vapor]

I dunno

Bruh Taras double Marauders are so easy why does everyone hate them =,=

SGN double Marauders are worse than Taras double Marauders

[digital jewel]

Because there are Prowlers and Imps all over the room, so playing it on UN can be a bit of a pain in the ass

[burnt moss]

If they happen to sync up maybe. But turning to address them on their timeline is super difficult

[burnt moss]

You got a strat you’re not sharing or something?

[jaunty vapor]

Use Dazed/Confused and use 1 Ballista on a Prowler. It's now out of commission longer than if you outright killed it

Plus there's SO much space to just meathook jump + ballista boost to get your bearings and just wait to SSG Parry or whatever else the Marauders, you should never get hit

I'm not saying it's the easiest but it's easier than SGNs since you can just easily avoid the Marauders vs. being in an enclosed space

[digital jewel]

Avoiding them is the easy part, the Prowlers keep biting you in the ass whenever you're trying to focus on the Marauders

And that room is pretty circular and tight anyway... You don't get far too much space to work with

[burnt moss]

But like I’m talking about here, you can’t even engage the marauder except on their own terms, so you have to land and bait them.

[jaunty vapor]

Hence why D/C is better than just outright killing them

[jaunty vapor]

I do agree with you that Marauder design is flawed/annoying. Not necessarily hard but mostly unfun, and I'd love to have seen redesigns that allow for more proactivity

[burnt moss]

Did you see the clip?

[jaunty vapor]

Nope 😬

[sacred dirge]

Wouldn't that be a buff ?

[digital jewel]

Given how rare Marauders are in the first place, idk why some people even make them seem like a big deal

[burnt moss]

#doom-eternal message

[jaunty vapor]

How small of a deal SHOULD people make them?

[sacred dirge]

Double marauder hype! Lol

[jaunty vapor]

Damn that.. looks like it shoulda worked? Huh..

I have 0 clue why it wouldn't, I'll admit I'm not an expert on SLOBS though

[digital jewel]

I can't answer that because I'm biased and I love Marauders, but I just don't understand why some people keep shitting on them so much anyways

[burnt moss]

Increasing vulnerability is a nerf.

[jaunty vapor]

It's not "shitting on" to criticize though

[digital jewel]

They shouldn't be nerfed, their AI should only be more consistent which would make sense at least

[jaunty vapor]

"Marauders fucking suck they're a shit enemy"

Is much different from

"Marauders are the only (base game) enemy that promotes reactivity over proactivity and that design is antithetical to the gameplay loop"

[burnt moss]

They should just follow Mortal Kombat rules: you can’t block while attacking. No need for green flash then.

[sacred dirge]

asked if you think it's a nerf to make them less dumb or a buff. If it's a buff where they're intelligent and don't jank out around other demons would be neat

[digital jewel]

Sure but it kind of turns into shitting and cycle-jerking when you keep hearing it from people constantly over and over again, some of which who seem to be getting opinions from other people instead of forming their own

Like, imo Carcasses are ten times more annoying than the Marauders

[digital jewel]

What about boss fights?

[burnt moss]

I want them to attack more frequently, which would be a buff if attacking wasn’t the only opportunity to kill them.

[burnt moss]

What about them?

[jaunty vapor]

Imo Carcasses are the best designed enemies because while they're frustrating, you can usually reliably manipulate their AI to not block you, or at least block you in a way you can expect. Plus, they have reactive gameplay (frag/ice bomb shield to get rid of.it, overload it with heat blast), AND they have proactive gameplay (SSG hook them so they can't shield you, PB rocket them to just outright kill them but MAYBE they block a shot, or 1 charge Dblade to just kill them.even of they have a shield)

[sacred dirge]

Absolutely

[digital jewel]

I don't really want them to "attack more frequently", I just want them to fix that shit when a Marauder charges at you to attack you and then just dashes instead of doing anything

[jaunty vapor]

While one can argue there's "multiple ways of dealing with Marauders", I'd say 80 to 90% start from the same "wait for Marauder than Parry", vs. Carcass having many different lines to take that DONT start from the same spot.

[burnt moss]

That’s what I mean though

[digital jewel]

Yes, there are many ways to deal with them, but nobody really prioritizes them in big fights so they end up being a big nuisance that spawns shields whenever a demon is in glory kill state

I don't hate the Carcasses though, they're a good addition to the game

I'm just saying that to me they're ten times more annoying than Marauders ever could be

[digital jewel]

Does the green flash thing work for boss fights? Why?

[azure oriole]

Bloodshot gonna kill me, cuz I missed out on 2 of his streams 😱

[jaunty vapor]

An enemy can be annoying but still be designed well/contribute more. The only thing I'd say sucks about Carcasses is the cc on their beyblade attack, although that's most a "Doom Eternal cc" issue which also extends to Marauders

[digital jewel]

Well you can't exactly create an evil equal to the Doom Slayer if you could just meathook towards him and one or two shot him lol

What I hate most about Carcasses is their spinning melee attack tbh, not even the shields

If you find yourself near two Carcasses, they can just bounce you back and forward

[sacred dirge]

I don't really find the shield as an issue

[digital jewel]

It's pretty annoying and deals a lot of damage on top of that

[burnt moss]

I think if they all followed Mortal Kombat rules the green flash would be unnecessary

[digital jewel]

Why should they follow the rules of Mortal Kombat? They're not even of the same genre

[burnt moss]

Yeah but at least they don’t PULL like the Marauder can for some reason

[jaunty vapor]

I didn't say you should be able to, did I?

If I could redesign Marauder the simplest thing I'd do is make it where you don't have to Parry him. Keep parrying as a mechanic, sure, but make him take maybe 20% to 50% less damage while not parried, but give him a small (noticable but not too long) time after he attacks where you can shoot him for SOME damage.

Admittedly this is still a reactive play style, but it's a little less restrictive towards the player, especially for beginners (to be honest I think this change would MOSTLY affect beginners)

[sacred dirge]

Personally I'd like just a visual animation or a few movement indicators you need to pay attention to rather than a flash of green

[jaunty vapor]

Also, it goes without saying, fix Marauder AI bugs. And also friendly fire wolf. Those are kinda obvious changes

[burnt moss]

I’m using the word Mortal Kombat as a frame of reference for how I think they should behave. Of course they are different games. But MK uses common sense while Marauder uses lazy logic.

[digital jewel]

The only major thing I'd change about him would be the way he reacts to the meathook

Doesn't he ALWAYS spawn a dog whenever you meathook onto him?

[jaunty vapor]

I have 0 clue. I don't think so but I could be wrong

[digital jewel]

That's what it feels like at least... I don't think he should be able to spawn the dog while you're doing it

[burnt moss]

I feel the same

[digital jewel]

I think the fire makes him spawn it because he's technically taking damage while his shield is up, it's BS

[jaunty vapor]

The most infuriating is the thing where if you kill a dog immediately he just summons another cause I guess the "damage shield has taken" doesn't get set to 0 until sometime after the dog spawns

[digital jewel]

Well tbh MK still has a lot in common with Doom, not necessarily vice versa

What about flawless blocks? You literally need to have extremely good reaction time and you need to master it if you want to block while taking no damage

[digital jewel]

I kindaaa like that other demons can make him summon the dog tbh...

[opal galleon]

🤢

[digital jewel]

Because, let's be real, otherwise we would literally never see the dog past our first playthrough

And this also gives them the ability to be more creative with certain annoying encounters

[burnt moss]

I don’t care about commonality. I’m saying that MK has a logical approach to blocking that the Marauder and his parents lack. It’s just lazy design to use a green flash to cover the fact that your character only SOMETIMES drops shield to attack.

[digital jewel]

But it's still a pain in the ass tbh

[digital jewel]

It's not a good comparison when you take into consideration that blocking is more or less screwed up in MK11 anyway

[burnt moss]

To make the comparison accurate, Marauder basically won’t die UNTIL you achieve 3 flawless blocks.

[jaunty vapor]

I would disagree because it's not something the player can necessarily control. You can sort of manipulate by "making sure there's no enemies behind the Marauder" but that's not exactly the most intuitive/easiest thing to achieve. Not that the difficulty itself should really play into it, but either way, it makes for a frustrating experience, ESPECIALLY since enemy fire while he's swinging the axe cancels the attack as well.

[burnt moss]

What don’t you like about it?

[jaunty vapor]

At the very very very least, making it so he doesn't block "during attacks" would be tolerable since that's the worse part about friendly fire with Marauder.

[digital jewel]

I agree, but I think that they'd have to find a different way for him to spawn a dog instead then if they were to fix it, because the dog is an interesting addition to his list of abilities but we would literally never see the dog otherwise because no one shoots at his shield mindlessly once they've completed the game at least once

I agree with that last one

[jaunty vapor]

In fairness, in modded content or master levels, things can get hectic enough that you can accidentally hit the shield.

Yeah for base game/DLCs you probably rarely hit the shield, but that's cause at this point that content is easy for players with so many hours

[burnt moss]

Just don’t limit the dog to being a punishment for hitting the shield then

[digital jewel]

Sometimes escaping a throw doesn't work for me if I was blocking before it, and there seem to be some inconsistencies with frames while you're stopping to crouch or dashing away

[jaunty vapor]

But in something like Unreclaimed Earth you'd probably still see dogs simply from him blocking shots intended for other demons

[digital jewel]

I think the Marauder should take more damage from remote rocket and sticky bombs, at the very least

[jaunty vapor]

Also this could be an easy fix too for sure

[digital jewel]

It would actually give us a reason to try to kill him in more creative ways

[jaunty vapor]

Remote Det would need to deal more damage first

[digital jewel]

It's still possible, just not AS fun, and far less practical

[jaunty vapor]

I only half joke

[digital jewel]

True lol, but maybe they could make him specifically take more damage from it, the same way possessed demons take more damage from plasma weapons, if I recall correctly

[burnt moss]

Ah, high-level stuff. I’ve been playing MK11 for only a month or two. So my point is: you can’t block while you’re physically attacking (except maybe shotgun). A real opponent telegraphs by physical movement, but the rules are inconsistent so we need the green flash.

[digital jewel]

Or maybe they take less damage from it..? I don't even remember

[jaunty vapor]

Possessed demons don't take more damage from plasma. The take less damage from "everything", though some things theyre more resistant to than others

The better comparison would be how Tyrants take more from SSG probably

[digital jewel]

I wouldn't call it high-level stuff, I'm hardly even good at the game, I'm only great with Sub-Zero and a few other characters but that's about it

[digital jewel]

Yeah, well, I think that's how the Marauder should be like as well

Maybe make him take more damage from remote detonation, heat blast (at least it would motivate you to save it for him, I guess...) and sticky bombs

[burnt moss]

Still stuff that’s specific to that game. I’m speaking generally. No blocking while attacking makes the most sense to me.

[burnt moss]

Escaping a throw should be harder from a block I would think, regardless of whether it’s supposed to be harder in the game.

[azure oriole]

also it depends on what enemy is possessed, they have different resistances

think decino did a video on pos. resistances

IIRC the most effective all-rounder was micro missiles. Tyrants and barons have least resistance to lock on though

[jaunty vapor]

The damage doc should have Spirit resistances as well. I think it doesn't have ones that only appear in modded content though. I could be wrong

[azure oriole]

I think the Spirit resistances are blank in the doc, like there's a placeholder but it wasn't done

I could ofc check but that's like several mouseclicks of effort

[jaunty vapor]

They are there. They're at the bottom.

[digital jewel]

It is harder, I'm not 100% sure if you have to mash specific buttons depending on whether your enemy did a front throw or a back throw though

[jaunty vapor]

I believe Decino even references that doc in the video

[azure oriole]

[digital jewel]

It makes it feel more inconsistent but maybe I'm just ignorant on how it fully works

[jaunty vapor]

I remember one video he had claimed "Tyrants take more damage from SSG" without mentioning the damage cap... THAT was fun to explain to people for a time.

[azure oriole]

oh yeah I remember that too

and immediately thought "no no, more pellet damage but max is still capped you little dufus you"

so double dblabe then.... I'm gonna try to learn it when I play Eternal next time

[digital jewel]

Double Destroyer Blade...?

[azure oriole]

yep

[digital jewel]

What am I missing out on? You can shoot two of them at the same time? Wow, how?

[azure oriole]

@strange gale had a clip of it

[digital jewel]

I'll try to find a clip on it later, once I'm done playing RDR2

That seems very useful

[azure oriole]

yeah though double dblade is 4800 damage. There are no enemies that have like 4K health, Mancubus has 3.5K and Pain elemental has 5K.
Ice bomb damage boost is enough to make a single dblade kill a mancubus and even double dblade won't kill PE's (stagger though)

still nice new tech to have

my logic above being if there were enemies that had 4K...4.5K health then double dblabe would be great for killing them outright

wait ice bomb boost is not enough to make dblade kill a mancubus, nvm

[tropic mesa]

w

[wooden trellis]

The fact that dblade could be used to make a texture pack making the blade a D

[simple umbra]

😔

[sacred dirge]

Jesus 4800. Beast

[burnt moss]

I’m not to the level where that really matters yet; still learning timing and combos

[burnt moss]

Where can I find it?

[azure oriole]

search his posts in this chat

think it was yesterday

[burnt moss]

I can’t see what he’s doing in the ww

[jaunty vapor]

There's a document somewhere in the SR discord as well, but it's

Charge mod (in this case Dblade)
Fire and immediate open ww
Hover over a specific weapon and swap to a specific weapon mod.whioe still holding the "charge" button
Release ww

The document explains which specific weapon mods work with which specific weapons

It's something like Dblade fires twice when you swap FROM stickies TO full auto
And vic versa for Arbalest

We're not certain why those specific mods, externally there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason. Maybe something under the hood though

[rain coyote]

cant see new event in game yet, usually 6pm uk time

[dull vine]

it's just fall stuff right?

[rain coyote]

you mean old stuff

[dull vine]

yeah, old stuff

[rain coyote]

ah i thought that ended today

[dull vine]

like the doom64 armor right?

the summer event ended today afaik

[rain coyote]

ah i see

[dull vine]

Wait did they goof up

Why is the Santa slayer there instead of the Doom 64 armor lmao

[rain coyote]

i asked because i did not see it on slayers club event page

[dull vine]

It’s in game, just no announcement. Weird

[rain coyote]

k

[burnt moss]

I just remembered I’d need modswap mapped for this

[mint vale]

the doom64 marine isn't in it as far as I can see

[dreamy mural]

I cant see it

Its the santa slayer for some reason

[rain coyote]

is that the skin with the stuck on head ?

[shadow vessel]

whats in this event?

[chrome summit]

I have question about plot of doom eternal, how VEGA survive?

[slow sigil]

doomguy put him on an USB stick in vegacore, right before he exploded

[chrome summit]

exactly! I didn't pay attention to that XD

[chrome summit]

Thx

[dull vine]

Yeah, probably a mistake or something

Hopefully

[dreamy mural]

Someone at id software was working overtime

[waxen field]

Hugo actually talked about not changing the friendly fire dog on Mayo’s podcast. He said he kept it like that to not change what ended up becoming a large part of fighting Marauders.

Though this quote seems rather hypocritical when taking into account enemy nerfs no one asked for that were never reverted like the archnotron nerf.

[flint flame]

When the bug became a feature

[waxen field]

Then he nerfs the intended feature that was the whole point of an enemy, odd choice.

[digital jewel]

What Arachnotron nerf?

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah he's said several times it was a bug but they decided not to change it. It just seems silly when a large portion of the player base hates it.

Also the "Arachnotron Nerf" wasn't targeted at Arachnotrons, it was an FPS fix to enemy AI because ALL enemy AI was influenced by fps in fucked ways

[waxen field]

But that change affected all versions and affected their accuracy. They’re now a nonissue even casually.

[digital jewel]

If I recall correctly, Hugo said that they won't do anything about the dog because people have gotten used to the current experience with the Marauder, and that it's just the way it is

[jaunty vapor]

The most significant example was zombies moon walking/gliding across the floor to hit the player, I remember Arrhythmia had an amazing video detailing it

[jaunty vapor]

Eh, it's not like they're completely harmless. I'd rather have enemies be consistent across all fps than have enemies be harder for the sake of being harder

[digital jewel]

The dog isn't harmless

[waxen field]

The archnotron were also nerfed at 60 fps just as heavily as any other framerate.

[jaunty vapor]

I was talking about Arachnotrons, I didn't even come close to mentioning the dog

[digital jewel]

It can be pretty annoying because he makes you want to focus on him before dealing with anything else, so if you fail to kill him in a single shot, he might bite you in the ass or even more likely, some other demons will cause you some trouble for a brief moment

[digital jewel]

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood you

[jaunty vapor]

I'll be honest even back in the day they never felt like a threat so even if they did get nerfed or whatever, to me it doesn't feel like it was that much of a nerf aside from the ridiculous 250fps versions from yonder days

[waxen field]

Also encounters where he was at long range now don’t even make sense.

[jaunty vapor]

I mean how many hours in the game do you have? I feel like we forget we're EXPERIENCED at this point, I'm sure for players from new to 20 hours probably think Arachs are still "a threat" compared to those with 100s/1000s

[slow sigil]

even if they arent a threat arachs are still kinda fun ngl

[jaunty vapor]

Also that

[modern lintel]

where did doom guy get the F.O.D

[jaunty vapor]

I think it's explained in a codex entry but if you check the pinned comments you can probably find monologues Lore dump, it most likely explains it in detail

[waxen field]

About 1 or 2 hundred on ps4 I just liked fighting them before I loved the fights with them in Atlantica.
Now they’re just kind of uninteresting to fight.

I just don’t get why devs make pointless changes like that, that take dev time from other things and improves nothing about the game and infact arguably does the opposite.

[jaunty vapor]

While I don't think the Arachnotron we're that severe, I can 100% agree some changes they decided to make were absolutely baffling.

[modern lintel]

thank you

[jaunty vapor]

Also fun thing to remember, the game STILL says "Teleporting" instead of "Loading" on current patch

[slow sigil]

when he got sent away by hayden he probably found it/remembered where it was

[slow sigil]

that wasnt intentional???

[waxen field]

I probably find it more noticeable because I used to struggle to quickly deal with the turret. Now I can just ignore it unlike before.

[strange gale]

this shit still happens on current patch btw https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504714848194527236/983782401144680448/dc.mp4

[azure oriole]

Pepole having fun conversation while I need to go to sleep cuz I got school at 6am 🥲

[jaunty vapor]

"We thought it was confusing that after the game started up things were still loading. So we instead say the player is teleporting to the main menu to alleviate any confusion"
~id hardwhen

[modern lintel]

are the slayer gates canon?

[waxen field]

Yea as I thought the nerf had nothing to do with fps inconsistencies.

I’m even more irritated since they didn’t unnerf the enemies they did nerf after adding the ability to make changes difficulty specific.

[modern lintel]

is there a cheat code that changes the design of the guns?

[waxen field]

No but there are skins

[modern lintel]

nice

i love that for DE's battle pass thing you dont have to pay money for it

i got like 20 or 30 diffrent slayer skins

and i only spent money to by the base game

[waxen field]

That’s assuming you were there when the event skin you wanted was there or that the events will be in permanent rotation.

[waxen field]

No dlcs? They’re pretty good.

[modern lintel]

yeah, ill probably get the 2 dlc's later on

i forget what their called

ancient gods i think

[waxen field]

The Ancient Gods part 1/2

[modern lintel]

nice

[waxen field]

I don’t think it’d change anything if they were.

[modern lintel]

but yeah, i wish games did there battle pass system like doom. if you pay 50-70 dollars for the game, you should get the battle pass for free

[modern lintel]

nice

[slow sigil]

they likely wont be rerun again though, so i would rather have it so that you can choose which battlepass you progress in

[shadow vessel]

are the events not gonna just repeat?

[slow sigil]

we dont know, probably not

[shadow vessel]

i thought we'd just have these month long mega events cycling over and over

[slow sigil]

cause they have been called "last chance" since they rerunned

[waxen field]

No cause $

[gray rivet]

I wonder if they will put them up for sale, such as "sixty-forsaken"

[waxen field]

They are

[gray rivet]

Nice

[waxen field]

They’re currently being sold as overpriced cosmetic dlc like $9 a pop.

[gray rivet]

Not the ones that are currently for sale, I was wondering about past events like sixty forsaken featuring the doom 64 marine, which isn't for purchase currently

Or other events that aren't for sale such as commander keen event

[shadow vessel]

Sixty forsaken is active rn

[waxen field]

Idk about all of them, I do know there are some smaller $5 ones.

No sure if they’ll all become purchasable.

[gray rivet]

Ok thanks

[gray rivet]

Nice, is it a combination of events running (not currently home to check)

[waxen field]

Is that the newest event (or newest rerun)?

[shadow vessel]

Newest event its a mega event like the last one

[gray rivet]

Ok sick

[shadow vessel]

Its sixty-forsaken, gourds and galleons, and the arch files

[gray rivet]

Fuck, I wanted commander keen, ah well

[waxen field]

Hopefully the skins are actually decent this time

[shadow vessel]

Most are

[gray rivet]

God fucking dammit

[shadow vessel]

These events are good too tho

[waxen field]

That’s nice the previous one was the only one that I did and the only good skins were like a combat shotgun and an alright ssg.

[shadow vessel]

yeah last event was pretty mid

[waxen field]

That black combat shotgun with the explosion on it was the only one I really liked.

[gray rivet]

I really wanted the carbon fiber plasma rifle from comm.keen event

[latent gulch]

Doom Eternal needs official mod support to make custom levels.

[shadow vessel]

well u get 2 plasma rifle skins this event

[latent gulch]

The gameplay is just too good to let it end at one game

[waxen field]

That isn’t likely Id’s hands are likely tied. Especially when there are like 3 companies above them.

[jaunty vapor]

Imagine, id giving the players what they want

I pray every day that they do something like this, but Im pretty sure it wouldn't be "profitable" enough for them to work on unfortunately

[shadow vessel]

I hate when events give multiple skins for the same character

[latent gulch]

Zenimax is still a thing? I thought only MS was above Bethesda. Well MS allowed 343i to give PC players official mod support for MCC.

[shadow vessel]

We get 3 separate revenant skins this event

[waxen field]

It probably isn’t in their control. They’ve actually become supportive of the modding community unlike with 2016.

[jaunty vapor]

We can only speculate, both their intentions and whether their hands are actually tied or not.

[latent gulch]

In all fairness they managed to release a plenty of free content for a AAA studio.

[jaunty vapor]

I believe officially they're not even allowed to comment on mods that much, cause technically they go against TOS, so it's a weird line they have to skirt

[jaunty vapor]

I mean, fair, but also some of that content is buggy and untested as hell. In particular the master levels, which are still buggy as all hell

[waxen field]

Kinda odd when they let Bethesda be supportive, but their engine is shit unlike Id’s.

[jaunty vapor]

I understand Covid was a thing during dev so I kinda get some of the issues, but there's a laundry list of issues that feel very significant

[azure oriole]

Offtopic
Imagine Mihoyo giving genshin players what they want 🤣

[shadow vessel]

ok

[waxen field]

Yea there are some bugs/crashes so blatant or were so blatant that it isn’t even an excuse you can say in good faith alot of times.

[jaunty vapor]

Exactly

And obviously I'm happy we get more content, free content even, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to criticize it and such, especially for a AAA studio

[waxen field]

The qa was a sharp downgrade from their previous games. 2016 was more polished on release than Eternal is now.

[jaunty vapor]

For every good change, there's two that went unanswered, or a negative change, or some weird big or whatever.

[waxen field]

Then they wasted resources on changes no one wanted. Rather than on the bugs/crashes.

[jaunty vapor]

And I don't wanna say "once the ratio of good changes to bad is big enough", cause honestly no matter what people will always complain about something and you can't appease everyone

But there's definitely some changes/design choices that most people would be content with over some other ones.

[waxen field]

Like console kb&m support, baffling it was never added in a game clearly designed with that control scheme in mind. Also it soft locked on my first taras nabad ml run despite playing it current patch.

[chrome summit]

please tell me if it's worth going through DLC doom (if I want to go through just for the sake of the plot)?

[patent stream]

For the environments alone I would say yes

But wait for sale

[latent gulch]

It is more for the sake of the gameplay, it shows off how good the core mechanics truly are once you master everything.

[slow sigil]

Tag1 is some of the best stuff ingame. The plot is uhhh yeah just ignore it

[latent gulch]

The plot is not bad, I enjoyed the corniness.

[slow sigil]

It gets worse

[latent gulch]

It is literally spawn

[slow sigil]

Tag2 basically fucks it all over

[latent gulch]

"No John, YOU ARE THE DEMONS"

I think a good writer can make TAG2 and its consequences work.

[azure oriole]

Hire Vince Gilligan and doom lore is saved

[indigo geyser]

I don't really like how TAG2 ended, it felt like a cliffhanger to me

[slow sigil]

HahahahahAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

By retconning or straight up ignoring some of the lore, or just going on with the badnesd and pretend something better will now come

[low zephyr]

What doom game did y’all buy to get the OG skin?

1993 or 64?

[indigo geyser]

You don't need the Classic Doom games for the default version of the Doomguy Skin (If you have the Sentinel Batteries for it), but for the color variants, you do need the first 3 Doom Games for the 3 color variants, 64 sadly doesn't have the Doom 64 skin when you connect your BethesdaNet acc, that is unfortunately only from the Sixty Forsaken event, though I wish they updated the bonus for D64 to give you the skin

[azure oriole]

Doom1, 2 and 3 give recolors of the classic marine skin. Classic green is found in the Fortress of doom for 2 sentinel batteries

[indigo geyser]

'93 Doom also gives you a recolor

[azure oriole]

Doom 1 is 93

[indigo geyser]

yes

[azure oriole]

👍

[indigo geyser]

wait, ohhhhhh, I thought you didn't list Doom 1 in there, my bad

[sturdy saffron]

I'm finally in dark lords throne room

[low zephyr]

Thanks fam

[chrome summit]

I want complete DLC only for battle of hell, but i dont want to play DLC, maybe better watch "game movie"?

because I heard that the gameplay is to kill a crowd of demons for 10 hours

[sturdy saffron]

Bam I beat dark lord

[sudden pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/ronald-thumbs-up-gif-25808166

[sturdy saffron]

That's what doom is

[chrome summit]

but i also heard that there are demons like randomly generated at the level and everything is unbalanced

[sturdy saffron]

Don't know if it's true but sometimes it feels that way, it's fun having a chaotic battle

[shell radish]

finished new battlemode slayer series

hailfire skin looks very nice, finally there's an ice looking slayer skin

[shadow vessel]

they are not

also main game is much more fun than the dlc

[sturdy saffron]

I found TAG2 more fun

[shadow vessel]

tag2 has annoying gimmicky enemies

[azure oriole]

I don't like early game, it's boring.

[shadow vessel]

definitely not good for a new player

[chrome summit]

I meant that they SEEM to be randomly generated

[shadow vessel]

they don't, they even spawn in the same location everytime

[chrome summit]

I know, i mean they are unbalanced

[shadow vessel]

they aren't

[sturdy saffron]

It's not unbalanced

[slow sigil]

Tag1 is great wdym, some of the best content ingame

[azure oriole]

that sounds like fun

i enjoy killing things especially demons

[shadow vessel]

It is, but its a terrible introduction to new players

[slow sigil]

Why the fuck would you start with the dlc???

[shadow vessel]

Someone asked if they should

[slow sigil]

Oh, missed that

[sturdy saffron]

Never start with dlc lmao

I like that they don't start dlc off easy

[azure oriole]

start with the dlc then get disappointed because the main game is easier

[void saffron]

Why does the sensitivity on max for my controller suck

It's so slow

[sturdy saffron]

Sad

Bro likes it fast

[void saffron]

Max should be like double what it is

Can't turn around fast enough

[azure oriole]

easy fix: use a keyboard (and mouse)

[void saffron]

I can't afford that I'm basically poor

[sturdy saffron]

I'm doing nightmare rn and if feels so weird without all my upgrades and whole arsenal and stuff lol

[azure oriole]

you can buy a good mouse for like 20 dollars

[void saffron]

As I said, can't afford

I'm spending like 200 so I can make an epic slayer cosplay

[azure oriole]

spend 180 dollars on the cosplay and leave 20 for a mouse?

[sturdy saffron]

Good luck

[void saffron]

I can't play a game with only a mouse

[azure oriole]

keyboards would be like 10 dollars

[void saffron]

I'm not trying to get one that is gonna fall apart on me

I would probably get a nice 60%

Also I had the skeleton slayer but it's gone now

[azure oriole]

idk if you could mod a console to increase sensitivity

[rustic rampart]

How slow we talking? How many seconds to do a full spin?

Reply fail 😭

[void saffron]

Multiple

Like 3

[azure oriole]

epico discord fail of time 🤣

[sturdy saffron]

Wrong reply

[rustic rampart]

Ye I know

[rustic rampart]

Do you have it a max or minimum?

Higher = faster

[azure oriole]

here

[void saffron]

Yes I'm very aware higher better and I'm playing on 100, 100

[rustic rampart]

Try smashing the controller on the wall a few times, that might fix it?

Usually works for me

[sturdy saffron]

Pro tip

[azure oriole]

pro xbox gamer tip: play another game with better sensitivity

[sturdy saffron]

Feels so weird without dash

When do I get dash I forgor

[rustic rampart]

Exultia

[sturdy saffron]

Thanks

[azure oriole]

play kaiser campaign then get dash immediately

[rustic rampart]

No problem

[azure oriole]

super easy just get mods

ultra super easy on console just install steam on your console

look at what ive been forced to do with my profile pic

[sturdy saffron]

Whyy

[rustic rampart]

Forced?

[azure oriole]

i didnt respond within 10 seconds

[sturdy saffron]

Rip

[azure oriole]

anyways hows the game for you guys

[azure oriole]

damn are you navi or what cause youre ugly as hell

[sturdy saffron]

Good, I'm doing nightmare bc I just finished the dlcs

[azure oriole]

nice

[rustic rampart]

Add the word "no" to ur vocabulary and viola!
Reply fail
Touchscreen sucks

[sturdy saffron]

Again?

[azure oriole]

epic discord reply fail of time of timee!!!11111

[rustic rampart]

I'm on mobile rn

[sturdy saffron]

Same

[glacial crater]

Excuse me

[rustic rampart]

I got super big fingers its hard to type

[sturdy saffron]

I can't wait for mighty doom

[glacial crater]

Are you a big shot?

[rustic rampart]

The biggest

[glacial crater]

Keep it up

[burnt moss]

Have you tried turning smoothing down to 0?

[void saffron]

Still slow

B day is Halloween maybe I'll ask for a kbm

Probably not though

[acoustic canyon]

Where could I ask for help

[burnt moss]

Here. What’s up?

[acoustic canyon]

so uh

I'm trying to beat the gladiator in nightmare and...yeah no I wanted to know if his laser attack, you are supposed to sometimes jumps but Yeah I have the answer

he hit so hard

[shadow vessel]

laser?

his jumprope?

[acoustic canyon]

yeah

[shadow vessel]

u can jump or just move side to side

up to you

[acoustic canyon]

yeah.

ngl I have trouble with him. he is supposed to be easy ?

[shadow vessel]

nah

if they replace an entire mission with a boss fight, you know that boss is meant to be hard

they're swapping out every enemy you could have possibly fought with just 1 guy

[acoustic canyon]

damn

I am so close every time. It's fun.

[rustic rampart]

Can the chaingun shield tank a few hits from the jumprope?

[waxen field]

The Dark Lord has his own mission quite literally and he’s one of the easiest bosses.

[shadow vessel]

yeha

[burnt moss]

No

[rustic rampart]

Sad

[rustic rampart]

Only boss my brother gave up on. He said it just wasn't fun

[waxen field]

He isn’t fun just boring

[burnt moss]

Only after strategizing. He is quite difficult

[sturdy saffron]

You gotta know what your doing

[waxen field]

Yea, he’s comparatively harder on lower difficulties, due to his unforgiving and tedious nature