doom-eternal

[waxen field]

Yea but why give it such high unmaykr resistance when it’s useless everywhere else.

[unique ingot]

And how they affect each enemy

[unique ingot]

It probably is towards BFG ammo weapons which unintentionally maybe included the Unmakyr

[shell radish]

I think spirits were nerfed since then

[waxen field]

Two bfg shots brought to near death.

[unique ingot]

yeah ofc 2 BFG at that point it would kill it

[waxen field]

Wasn’t just kill time for the spirit itself?

[waxen field]

Yea but you said maybe it shared bfg resistance.

[shell radish]

it was the tankiness of possessed demons that was nerfed

[unique ingot]

I think for the code, the resistance is for each attack

Also, the tracers emitted by the BFG and the Ball itself

have different resistance I think for the meatball

[azure forum]

If you can do SLOBs, a full 13 rockets plus a couple ballista shots kill the possesed pain elemental. BFG is the easiest way though

[unique ingot]

Do more research on the wiki haha, Idk for sure

[sacred dirge]

But big guy make bad things go boom splat

[waxen field]

Kill times on my most recent playthrough of tag 1 for spirit buffed demons felt about the same as my first playthrough.

[shell radish]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[waxen field]

Cause when I heard people talking about the nerf they just said spirit ttk was reduced for the spirit itself.

[shell radish]

i wish possessed demons only had resistance to all weapons and not higher to specific like ssg and ballista

[shell radish]

I heard their health was reduced so idk

The possessed marauder used to take forever to kill and he aint that bad now

[waxen field]

Yea for the spirit which was a good choice imo.

One of the few nerfs I agreed with.

[burnt moss]

I’ve been thinking about OP assets, as I’ve played Mortal Kombat. My conclusion is that even OP, when limited appropriately, doesn’t detract from the whole experience. There is a place for invincibility and killai in sparing quantities, just for fun. It adds to the feeling of superiority over the demons to choose at every moment not to straight up nuke the whole group, to deign to dance the dance with them because they aren’t worth a precious BFG shot.

[nocturne lynx]

I mean, you can only shoot it twice before needing to find more ammo.

[unique ingot]

If so I feel like the game should then limit some of the ammo?

[shell radish]

Its also very satisfying

[waxen field]

Kill ai is nice for when the game breaks.

Not that I’d know I’m a console player.

[burnt moss]

BFG ammo isn’t plentiful.

[unique ingot]

Yeah actually come to think about it

[burnt moss]

I was comparing BFG to killai because the complaint is that it’s almost as powerful

[unique ingot]

the game limits it pretty well, there wasn't time where you can just go mad with it.

[shell radish]

Ive noticed that there’s usually a bfg ammo pickup whenever there is an archvile

[blissful musk]

hi chat

[shell radish]

Hi boberson

[blissful musk]

i started a nightmear run

lord did i regret dis

[burnt moss]

Not that it’s great against them

[shell radish]

it one shots em so its pretty good

[burnt moss]

Only if the firewall is down

[shell radish]

True

[blissful musk]

i hate the archvile

[burnt moss]

My angst comes from NM SGN ML where there’s 4 in the final arena. BFG didn’t kill any of them

[unique ingot]

I hate them, and I love them in a way

[unique ingot]

I think there are only 3

[blissful musk]

since im doing a nightmear run im scared to meat one

[shell radish]

oh i remember that arena, i saved my crucible charges for that fight and bfg shots

[unique ingot]

but it's bad enough with the 4 tyrants chasing you around

Samee!

[unique ingot]

For the Main campaign? No where as bad. They normally come in isolated spots, just remember where they spawn (especially for the ones in Taras Nabad) and use gernades/Freeze bombs often. The Chaingun shield dash can help

[icy ice]

Nope there's 4

[unique ingot]

Oh Really? Huh I thought only 3

[icy ice]

After killing 3, 3 archvile spawn

[blissful musk]

well your proply good at game

[icy ice]

Yup. SGN was tough

[unique ingot]

Haha no

[blissful musk]

and im not so im not in for a good time

[unique ingot]

But all I will say, is the chaingun shiels is your best friend and stay on the move with meathook!

[digital jewel]

Pull out your energy shield on the chaingun, freeze the Archvile and just bash at it with the shield until it's gone

[blissful musk]

i was gonna do a ultra nightmear till i found out if i die gota restart the whole thing so im sticking to nightmear

[unique ingot]

Yeah, the chaingun shield does insnae amounts of damage

[blissful musk]

really i never knew they did dmg

[unique ingot]

Yeah defintely, don't do UN until you are comfortable with Nightmare haha)

[digital jewel]

I never knew that either for quite a while

[unique ingot]

A TON OF DAMAGE IN FACT

Just use the dash key and slam into them

[digital jewel]

But once you get into a habit of using it on literally every single Tyrant, Baron and Archvile you see...

It's hard to do it any differently from then

Keep in mind that you still take damage from certain hazards

[unique ingot]

Yeah like the floor damage I think from mancubus/cyber mancs

maybe also archviles?

[digital jewel]

I'm pretty sure Mancubus' ground energy slam thing still damages you, same with that hazard that the Dread Knight causes

I'm not sure about Archviles

[unique ingot]

Yeah, but aside from that

You are pretty much invulnerable

[digital jewel]

Aside from floor hazards, it makes you invincible

[unique ingot]

I think archviles lay down a floor of fire when they try to attack you. (The T-Pose style attack like the one from Doom 2)

And that damages you, so I normally ice bomb them first

[digital jewel]

Yeah, same

Honestly, the only problem with them is that they teleport

[unique ingot]

I hate that so much haha

I sometimes run around for AGES and never see them too sometimes

[digital jewel]

I've thought about something interesting...

[unique ingot]

And I just see possessed demons rising from the floor

[digital jewel]

What if they also resurrected dead demons in Eternal the way they did it in Doom 2, instead of straight up summoning them?

I wonder how that would change things

[unique ingot]

That would prob not work out too well and signifcantly nerf themm

[flint flame]

[unique ingot]

because in the Classic Doom games, putting 200 enemies is easy deal

Eternal? Not a lot of monsters

[digital jewel]

Yeah

[unique ingot]

Like Plutonia used archviles a lot, the only reason why they were dangerous is because the kill count is high

Lone archviles in Classic Doom/Eternal are easy to deal with

[digital jewel]

Also, they would kill you if you were simply in their line of sight, lol

[unique ingot]

Yeah i think it's a good idea to change it's mechanics

Although it's a bit too tanky IMO

[azure oriole]

dose anyone know what the next event gonna be?

[unique ingot]

No Clue!

[azure oriole]

i hope it's not recycled content

[waxen field]

Judging from the lack of updates it probably will be (assuming there is one).

[unique ingot]

yeah..

[azure oriole]

kinda sad that the game is dying but nothing lives forever so..

i just wish they would support the game until their next game comes out

but they need to focus on new stuff ig

[waxen field]

Kinda salty they kept saying we’re saving difficult stuff for master levels then barely added any.

[azure oriole]

[azure oriole]

did hugo say that because sometimes he says things he doesn't mean lol

[waxen field]

Something along those lines.

Not exact wording but it’s what he basically said.

[azure oriole]

he disappeared for some reason idk if he's working on something or he moved on to something else other than doom

Whatever he's working on now probably requires his undivided attention

[waxen field]

Yea I think they’re working on the next game.

Hopefully the difficulty options in the next game are half assed less so they don’t nerf everything into the ground when no one still playing the game asked for it.

[alpine plaza]

i think they werent able to add as much master levels as they initially intented to because of the pandemic

[warped sage]

It is also said at the message that shows when you beat the base campaign of DOOM Eternal that “new Master Levels will be added regularly.” 😦

[blissful musk]

right now on nightmear mode sticky bomb are my best friends

[alpine plaza]

what level?

[blissful musk]

still on the frist

[waxen field]

Yea but he said that after TAG 2 released

[alpine plaza]

really??

[blissful musk]

wdym

[waxen field]

Yea it was explanation on why it wasn’t as difficult as people wanted it to be.

That and him saying TAG 1 was meant to be about difficulty (despite having nerfed it) and tag 2 as a final sendoff where your meant to be powerful.

Those aren’t his exact words but the general idea. Though I find it odd when before he said the best power fantasy was the one you earned.

Regardless hopefully these compromises won’t happen with better designed difficulties (assuming they are better designed in the next game).

[uneven prairie]

sup

[waxen field]

Gamer

[blissful musk]

sup im playing on nightmear mode im in pain

[burnt moss]

Master levels are plenty difficult

[waxen field]

Agreed just wish there were more. I mean only one of them even use the dlc enemies.

Which sucks cause I like the dlc enemies.

[icy ice]

Don't forget horde mode

[waxen field]

True I wish it used arc complex, immoral, Atlantica/swamps they have my favorite osts.

Immora track in particular feels so wasted on that level.

[blissful musk]

holy hell i had a danm westen duel with a danm acranidtron

[icy ice]

Yea, given how great all of the music is in the game, I wish the soundtrack was able to be flushed out properly

[frigid walrus]

I put rip and tear as my alarm in the morning (:

[waxen field]

If you find them hard now you shoulda seen them prenerf.

Rip spooderbois you’ll be missed

[blissful musk]

no like he was one one side i was on the other we were slinging bullets one to another

[waxen field]

Yea before he’d turn you into mince meat in that scenario

[blissful musk]

ya

vc send help i made a mistake

[errant night]

what’s your preferred UI color scheme

[waxen field]

Sentinel the others just look ugly and distracting imo.

It’s also the closest you get to the 2016 ui.

[errant night]

i feel UAC is closer to 2016

[sacred dirge]

Exterminator or default

Reds nice

[waxen field]

Which one is that again?

[ornate kelp]

help

[sacred dirge]

It's like purplish

I think

Never touched it

[ornate kelp]

my eternal account is signed into a .gov account and my username is ''CODEX''

that's not my account-

[jovial eagle]

So, this has probably my been discussed at various points, but do we have any indication that id is working on a final update to the game? I recall during one of the last streams with Hugo and Josh it was hinted that there was one more surprise, but I don’t believe it’s ever been confirmed what was being referred to.

[azure oriole]

The best Eternal UIs are UAC and Exterminator

[azure oriole]

Ain't heard shit about that, highly doubt anything else is coming

[errant night]

no, the best comparison is really the color of the 2016 UI

[flint flame]

The big last update was 6.66

[jovial eagle]

The only thing that makes me think there is still one more update is that they aren’t confirming end of development, at least… I don’t think they have

[azure oriole]

Yeah they haven't outright confirmed it but like... let's not kid ourselves here

[spiral stirrup]

Ur mom

[jovial eagle]

A man can hope

Typically, though, if a company doesn’t confirm a question like that, it usually means their hands are tied, hinting that something is indeed being worked on

[azure forum]

Let's not lose the hope. Maybe we end up getting a random master level in the next couple of months - extremely unlikely, but we can always dream

[waxen field]

Wasn’t 2016’s more of a blue?

[sacred dirge]

Yeah it was a nice blue alot more like eternals sentinel hud

[burnt moss]

Downside of binding weapons to Dpad is your thumb is off the joystick

[warped sage]

You’re not using a pirated copy right?

[burnt moss]

Hey there are no milestones at all. Not, milestones aren’t complete. There are no milestones for me. What’s going on?

[waxen field]

Eh you get used to it if you use equipment alot. It’s not like it’s for very long, maybe a fraction of a second at most.

[burnt moss]

But if I’m repeatedly doing SSG/Bal or something, using Dpad, then my thumb is mostly not on the joystick helping maneuver

[ornate kelp]

no, i got the game with game pass

[thin raft]

Hi

Any tips to glory kill doloris ?

I always kill them

And i need to do 3 different glory on doloris for taras nabad

Also i need to do a left glory on a doom hunter but is it on the left from his view or from the slayer’s view

[ornate kelp]

left of the slayer's view

[azure oriole]

Hello

[ornate kelp]

the different animations are based on where the slayer is before you perform the kill

[azure oriole]

I just inspired someone to go to the gym

This someone was a huge dick and proceeded to bully me for having no friends

I used a crap ton of Vegeta quotes but made them into like I said it

[nocturne lynx]

We’ve got nothing from Quakecon for it, "Eternal" is done.

[azure oriole]

@nocturne lynx

Wanna see something scary?

[ornate kelp]

isn't 6.66 the last major update for doom games now?

[azure oriole]

boo

[nocturne lynx]

Was for "2016".

[ornate kelp]

ohh

[azure oriole]

Bruh

[nocturne lynx]

Safe to say it’s the same for "Eternal".

[azure oriole]

Supposedly Doom is coming to Fortnite next week

[ornate kelp]

n..next week?!

[azure oriole]

Thoughts?

There’s leaks, like immediately after the Dragonball event

[nocturne lynx]

Not as weird as the "Destiny" x "Fortnite" crossover so whatever.

[ornate kelp]

the file does say ''Doom'' but that could mean anything

[azure oriole]

There’s 4 we know about.

Doom, Darth Vader, and Family guy have their own files. But since Vader got his own trailer then i think it may be doom considering the only other “Doom” there is of be Doctor Doom. But he came out in season 4 chapter 2

[ornate kelp]

true, but he could get another event or skin recoloring, you know what Epic are like with Marvel

[azure oriole]

Yeah, but then again. They are doing a event with Fall Guys rn. And Fall Guys is owned by Epic. And Doom 64 goes free so it could be a reference

[ornate kelp]

fair

they were supposed to have a Metroid crossover, with Samus appearing in the background of a comic thing they made, but Nintendo wanted it Switch exclusive, so they cut the deal.

it will most likely happen, as they've got Kratos and Master Chief in there too.

[nocturne lynx]

"Doom" skins got added to "Fall Guys" last year.

[ornate kelp]

either way, i'm buying the skin or whatever when/if this allegedly happens

[ornate kelp]

they're coming back to celebrate Quakecon too i believe

i'd like to see Doom lobby music, but that probably won't happen for obvious reasons

[thin raft]

The last jugement has come

[ornate kelp]

fortnite has everything in it at this point, you can be goku with a shotgun fighting rick with a morty hammer whilst being killed by lara croft in the distance

i got killed by beerus and he hit the griddy on me after winning the game

[thin raft]

Petition to stop fortnite ⬇️

[azure oriole]

Fortnite good

[ornate kelp]

it’s okay, i’m pretty sure there’s SBMM though, so there’s that

[thin raft]

Apex legends is better and harder

[radiant belfry]

doom x fortnite collab this week 😳 👹

[thin raft]

[azure oriole]

Ah yes, I think we call this an opinion

[thin raft]

A good opinion 🤙

[crystal monolith]

They weren't lying about how hard TAG goes. I just spent an hour on the first level. I won't say the difficulty because I know I'll get dunked on.

[slow sigil]

Aslong as it's a good difficulty for you

[vale sparrow]

Hey so Ive seen a video and a news article that explains something of an update for doom eternal but I cant find anything on here in the news for example I think I probably misunderstood something but I thought Id ask anyway, is there some new content comming for doom eternal?

[slow sigil]

No

[brittle quest]

I don't think any good player will dunk on you for merely being under-competent at the game, we're too far in the game's cycle to have people like that still abundant in the community.

[azure oriole]

that doesn't happen barring some shit-for-brains nolifers (that aren't even that good at the game in fact)

TAG is hard first time yeah (and second time and...) until you learn it

Fun though, doing another run myself atm

[ornate kelp]

TAG2 kicked my ass

[digital jewel]

Am I the only one who doesn't want their next game to be a Doom game?

Ew, why is Discord so ugly now... I hate these updates

[azure oriole]

nah we exist and likely it isn't. That said I'm a little worried we still haven't heard anything from id, it's more than 2 years since Eternal's release.
Quakecon went by without any information really. Had high hopes id would announce their next game there.

[digital jewel]

Yeah, but I mean...

Doom is something we're all familiar with at this point, the franchise has been revived

They should probably give it a try with something else next time

[ornate kelp]

Maybe we’ll have to wait another 19 years again 🗿 Jokes aside, personally, I’d love another Quake

[azure oriole]

yeah I agree, just meant it's more than 2 years since release of id's latest game and they haven't announced their current project yet

good morning ec chat.

[digital jewel]

Morning, Raiden

[ornate kelp]

Oh hey

[digital jewel]

How about a new Wolfenstein?

[azure oriole]

The pessimist in me is worried Microsoft have relegated id software to working on some third party project

[digital jewel]

I'm a little biased because I've played one Wolfenstein game that I love very dearly so uhhh

I think that one needs to be remastered lol, Return to Castle Wolfenstein

Microsoft sucks

[azure oriole]

bethesda owns the IP but since latest games have been made by MachineGames and Arcane, I doubt ID would make one too

Fact is ID software haven't made a Wolfenstein game since Wolfenstein 3D

[ornate kelp]

Doesn’t Steam have an agreement with id or Bethesda to keep 2016 off of Game Pass for PC?

I heard somewhere they did

[azure oriole]

maybe but Microsoft owns Bethesda (and by extension id software) now

[ornate kelp]

True

[digital jewel]

That's interesting...

I just want a Return to Castle Wolfenstein remaster, man... I don't even care who makes it tbh

[azure oriole]

RTCW remaster or remake would be cool

[ornate kelp]

Oh yeah, I think RTCW was Machine Games’ first Wolf game if I remember correctly

[azure oriole]

No RTCW was Gray Matter Studios

[ornate kelp]

Oh

[azure oriole]

The New Order was MachineGames' first Wolf game

[ornate kelp]

I’ve only played Wolf3D lol, I should get the new games

[azure oriole]

i forgotted where i putted my glasses

i need to find them asap

[digital jewel]

Tbh does that game even have an actual coherent story? Lol

[azure oriole]

RTCW is really good even if a little archaic by today's standards.
MachineGames' Wolf games are really good too, up to New Colossus, give or take

[digital jewel]

I never paid much attention to the story of RTCW back when I was playing through it, but I have no idea why I was fighting Nazis, undead mummies in catacombs and some weird robots in a single game...

If my memory serves me right, lmao

[ornate kelp]

I heard mixed things about cyberpilot, but I wanted to get it because VR Wolf game, but never got around to it

[azure oriole]

Original Wolf3D had Nazi's working with occult stuff too so you fight zombies

basically the same gist in RTCW

RTCW is essentially a remake or reimagining of Wolf3D

[ornate kelp]

Yeah I thought it was

[digital jewel]

Then it did a pretty damn good job

[ornate kelp]

I see it’s in GP for PC, I might download it

[azure oriole]

100 % recommend

[ornate kelp]

I’ll probably play through Wolf3D first however

Will 100% look into it though

[digital jewel]

I wish they would release older games for newer consoles...

I want to re-experience my childhood instead of being expected to eat up whatever hot garbage of a trendy game they put on our plates

[azure oriole]

it has its fair share of cheap bits as was the style in early 00s but it's a really good shooter anyway

[ornate kelp]

I did pick up Quake when it got rereleased, it’s really good for a first play through

Episode 2 is kicking my ass though

[digital jewel]

I've never played Quake, unfortunately

[azure oriole]

honestly the older I get, the less I play new games, barring some exceptions like Doom Eternal or Elden Ring

[ornate kelp]

It’s really good, you need to

[azure oriole]

yeah definitely grab the remaster

[ornate kelp]

I heard CTF got added aswell

[digital jewel]

I can relate... I just hate most of the more modern games

[azure oriole]

ctf?

[digital jewel]

I hate how trendy they become and how everyone starts playing them like a bunch of fools

[ornate kelp]

Capture the flag

[digital jewel]

With no thought of their own

[azure oriole]

yeah p sure there are several multiplayer modes
also both expansion packs as well as 2 new expansions by MachineGames

[ornate kelp]

Especially with new Call of Duty games or other series trying hard to cater to microtransactions.

[digital jewel]

Same with GTA

[ornate kelp]

Oh god I hate GTA, taking up so much damn space too

[digital jewel]

GTA is still a good franchise, but fucking come on... Move on from GTA V already and stop milking money off of children who still play it, just make a new game

[ornate kelp]

GTA 3 is good though, probably my favourite in the series

[digital jewel]

I like GTA but I wish Rockstar was still passionate about their games, and less about how much money they make them

My favorite is GTA San Andreas

[ornate kelp]

I remember thinking they were gonna remember Bully at some point, then I realised I was thinking about Rockstar

[digital jewel]

Lmao

I REALLY hope they fucking remember Manhunt

[ornate kelp]

Manhunt was amazing

[digital jewel]

I actually bought the original Manhunt on PS3

Amazing game... I don't know how "acceptable" it would be today though

[ornate kelp]

PS3 had so many good games. I wanna buy one again lmao

[digital jewel]

I mean, this is Rockstar we're talking about, always sucking people's ass with their nonsense

"Hey guys we'll calm down with the racist jokes in GTA 6 hehehe 🤓"

[ornate kelp]

lmao

[digital jewel]

I'm just sick of all of it

[ornate kelp]

My friend still wants another Commander Keen..how do I tell him?

[digital jewel]

Lmao

That's an odd game to ask for tbh

[ornate kelp]

True, but it would be kinda cool in retrospect, but would seem really strange to a lot of people for id/Bethesda/whoever to be like “here’s a kids game from 25 years ago”

[digital jewel]

Lmao true

Although they still have a lot of Commander Keen easter eggs, secrets and references in Doom Eternal

They clearly haven't forgotten about it, at least

[ornate kelp]

Like the Dopefish, god forbid the Doom Eternal Dopefish

That thing is not okay to look at lmao

[digital jewel]

It really is not...

I actually stared at it for a good half a minute the first time I saw it

Hanging from that hook in Cultist Base

[ornate kelp]

Same. I remember seeing it in the mission with the Whiplash in the wall and thinking

“What in gods name..”

[digital jewel]

Fuck, I hate that I have to wait for 10 seconds before sending a message

[ornate kelp]

If only spam didn’t exist lmao

Eternal was my Final Doom. With the Icon and Dark Lord being dead, it’s a good closure for the Slayer. But who knows, maybe Mighty Doom will release 🗿

[digital jewel]

It will, they can always spew up some incoherent and nonsensical lore bullshit to keep the games going, the same way they've been doing it thus far

They can say that Davoth was only in the physical form in the realm the Slayer is in, but that he's still alive in a different form

I don't fucking know lol

[ornate kelp]

We never did see him die to be fair

He sorta just..spewed red out of his eyes and mouth

[warped sage]

Final DOOM: End of story.

[vale sparrow]

Whats with sam he got away

Whats with vega

Feel like there is some story left, also what happened between 2016 and eternal how did we get the space castle

[sullen tide]

i just got eternal deluxe edition, loving it

not a bad introduction to the doom franchise

[vale sparrow]

Yea both games are amazing

[slow sigil]

All* games

[vale sparrow]

I picked up 3 on the weekend too, it still holds up honestly, very nostalgic, maybe sometimes a bit of a carneval ride horror trip but other than that fun. Obviously not the same as the fast paced games but still fun

[vale sparrow]

I respect the old games as classics but I cant seriously enjoy them anymore except for 5 minutes, I wouldn't recommend my friends getting it in good faith

[slow sigil]

I'd still say they are amazing, at the least for their time

[vale sparrow]

Yea when they came out they were probably a blast but not today anymore I dont think

Its like when you are on the road with a switch do you wanna play an old super mario or do you wanna play bayonetta 2

[patent stream]

Old super Mario any day

[azure oriole]

I feel this strongly. I mean especially newer games consoles were meant to enjoy the newer titles. I can’t even enjoy most of the ps3 games that are available to stream because graphics…but some people can. But I usually can’t, even if the story is something that interest me.

[patent stream]

I’m happy I’m not like that. Hundreds upon hundred of the best games are older

[azure oriole]

Hey bob

[patent stream]

Hi raiden

[azure oriole]

What's up.

[patent stream]

Not much

[vale sparrow]

Yea I can live with older graphics but performance wise its the dealbreaker for me, I played darksiders 1 a while back and it was amazing started darksiders 2 aaaand everytime I open the inventory it lags, everytime I hit multiple opponents it lags and freezes and my enjoment was gone

[azure oriole]

The space castle was presumably in Hell

[azure oriole]

Nah. The classic Doom games are still amazing for this time.

[patent stream]

Doom: Hell on Earth game when

[azure oriole]

Like even if I'm looking at them completely in the timeframe of now, as if they were released today, I still think they are excellent shooters and way more fun than the average FPS.

[azure oriole]

Yeah darksiders.. I tried Darksiders 3 for a while, but I remember so many times I would glitch inside an object. And it made me think that if not for the glitches the game would be great. I have not tried the others, but if 3 was so unoptimized I doubt the two others are any better (in terms of bugs.)

[vale sparrow]

Darksiders is always different too, its always god of war + something, so 3 was god of war + dark souls, 2 was god of war + diablo 2 (some say devil may cry) and 1 was god of war + zelda

If Id recommend anything its 1 cause its just such an honest old fashioned character action game I love it, like a time capsule

Also not as technically flawed as 2 and 3

[sullen tide]

i like dishonored

[vale sparrow]

I liked the first one the second one turned me off cause of the story but the gameplay is fun I think

The creative side of it rather

[sullen tide]

me playing dishonored games like a professional speedrunner / esports champion

and then you see me play doom eternal like a grandma with arthritis in her wrist

[empty drum]

Imagine not using a chainsaw as ur favorite instrument

Currently listening to the only thing they fear is you

[wicked tulip]

I cracked cacodemons with glory kills on my fists

[empty drum]

Yes

Rip and tear

[wicked tulip]

I love beating the heck out of demons in brutal doom and doom eternal

[empty drum]

Absolutely

[wicked tulip]

Which is better the super shotgun or the shotgun

[empty drum]

That’s tough

[wicked tulip]

(talking about doom eternal not doom you nerds)

[sullen tide]

super ultra mega arcade edition shotgun id argue

[wicked tulip]

Noice

[empty drum]

Yea

Any shot gun is good as long as it’s in the slayers hands

[sullen tide]

except for stock combat shotgun

[empty drum]

🤮

[wicked tulip]

Corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture and this picture:

[empty drum]

I see no different

*Difference

[wicked tulip]

Correct. You are officially a real slayer, slayer.

[empty drum]

[wicked tulip]

My face on Saturday mornings:

[empty drum]

Mine is more like

[wicked tulip]

See the teeth?

[empty drum]

Yes

[wicked tulip]

It's a bit overgrown

[empty drum]

But I don’t see an eye

[wicked tulip]

Correct.

[empty drum]

Who could have done that

Hmmmmm…

[wicked tulip]

We all forget about our eyes on saturdays

[empty drum]

Yeah me too

[wicked tulip]

We leave them in the toilet or any place you sleep in

[empty drum]

Fair

[wicked tulip]

Me personally I sleep on the top of the closet

[empty drum]

I sleep in bed

[wicked tulip]

I mean like I forgot my bed in Ikea so uhhh

[empty drum]

And have M rated dreams

[wicked tulip]

I have F rated dreams

[empty drum]

Rated M for violence gore and blood

[wicked tulip]

Rated F for cracking open demons and glory kills

[empty drum]

F for fatality

[wicked tulip]

Fair enough

Why is water coming out of eye

[empty drum]

Is it red water

[wicked tulip]

No that ketchup it normal water

[empty drum]

Oh ok

[wicked tulip]

Oooo

What is that?

cUrIoSiTy

It's a sniper!!!!1!1!

[subtle dragon]

[sterile kraken]

Doom eternal ps3?

PliS

[sterile kraken]

Yea

[flint flame]

That’s a whole console generation behind

[strange gale]

ps3

[sacred dirge]

15 fps

[woeful brook]

Guys what do you think is the most annoying level

[digital jewel]

PS3 is amazing

But playing Doom Eternal on PS3 would probably be entirely impossible lmao

Unless you're looking for something to fry some eggs and bacon on, I think you should do your best to keep newer games far away from old consoles

[vast kettle]

The ones that keep you indoors most of the time

Imo, DOOM Eternal is better in open areas.

[digital jewel]

Either that level with the Gladiator because it's a lot of walking around or...

Tbh, ARC Complex... I might get some hate for that

[edgy fjord]

doom eternal for the nintendo DSi XL

[slow sigil]

Exultia, pacing early game couldve been better and exultia suffers from it

[digital jewel]

Just the idea that I'm walking around for a dozen or two minutes simply trying to get to two turrets to shoot at some stupid tentacle makes me want to shoot myself

[vast kettle]

Lmao only the XL version

[azure oriole]

or you can just skip the turrets with balcony skip

[digital jewel]

Balcony skip?

[slow sigil]

That's quite a dumb reasoning, cause we are always walking dumb distances since you can teleport inlore via vega

[digital jewel]

Yeah, but it's not really the walking that's the problem

[vast kettle]

The ballista is my favourite gun

[edgy fjord]

you need bigger screens for easier resource management

[digital jewel]

The fact that I know the goal is simply to reach two turrets to pass through an inconveniently blocked off bridge...

[vast kettle]

Yes I like Quake, how did you know?

[digital jewel]

It's a tedious fact to keep in mind while playing that level

[edgy fjord]

what if you wanted to change runes in the middle of an encounter but the screen isn't big enough to load the icons or videos?

[strange gale]

🤓 obviously unintended skip exists = well designed level

[azure oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufiMjXWEzwM

[strange gale]

i'm with fskugii, the level kinda sucks

[slow sigil]

Meanwhile you play super gore nest because.... well,you gotta waste some time?
Reclaimed earth because uhhh a gate that does nothing since the sentinels can just go there without it.
Etc etc

Kinda makes sense that giant hell tentacles siege down one of ARC's major bases

[digital jewel]

There are still tentacles blocking the big gate though...

[slow sigil]

Not in the physical realm

[digital jewel]

Super Gore Nest is funny though

[azure oriole]

you skipped the whole lvl. checkpoint loaded so tentacles are not existing

[slow sigil]

Why, you're just wasting time. Stupider then tentacles

[digital jewel]

It's literally just the Slayer wasting some of his free time because he's currently unable to locate the Priest, so I suppose he's got nothing better to do at the moment

It's funny because when you think about it, it's not like there's anything else for him to do lol

I'm also not a huge fan of Mars Core

[azure oriole]

same

[digital jewel]

Not because of the level itself, the level itself is amazing

I'm just so fucking sick of seeing UAC shit all over the place after playing Doom 2016

[woeful brook]

Wanna hear mine?

[digital jewel]

I'm sick of UAC stuff, I can't fucking look at it anymore

Sure

[woeful brook]

I think either of urdak or doom hunter base

[digital jewel]

That's interesting

[digital jewel]

Why?

[woeful brook]

Because it has one arena I sued to be stuck on the first time I played and they introduced annoying enemies in doom hunter base meanwhile urdak has makyr drones and whole lots of arenas and platforming

Arc complex is good as hell no reason ad why you hate it

[digital jewel]

What annoying enemies?

[azure oriole]

Every Eternal level is good. Reclaimed Earth is the least good though.

[slow sigil]

Why reclaimed?

[digital jewel]

And I love the Maykr drones, although a lot of the level looks mostly the same, that sucks a little

There's nothing all that special about Reclaimed Earth, looks boring

[slow sigil]

Got 2-3 banger arenas which is.... better then the other tag2 levels

[azure oriole]

Boring visually, kind of pointless plot-wise, didn't really care for the arenas.

[woeful brook]

Carcasses, Doom hunters, pinkies, prowlers the level took it painfully

[slow sigil]

Doomhunters and pinkies arent annoying though

[woeful brook]

Kinda agree but on nightmare mode

Though

[digital jewel]

Doom Hunters are AMAZING, Carcasses are pretty annoying yeah, Pinkies are cool and Prowlers are okay

[slow sigil]

Prowlers just barely, but not that much. With carcasses it's the point and they did it well making them annoying fucks

[slow sigil]

Doesnt change much same hp vallues, same way to take them out

[digital jewel]

I don't want any of these enemies to be taken out of the game, they're still annoying though lol

[slow sigil]

Only the carcass

[sacred dirge]

Shamblers in doom would be neat

[woeful brook]

@slow sigil It's kinda hard to look at the arena surroundings because of you first nightmare play on doom hunter bass

Base

[digital jewel]

I wouldn't take them out either, they're annoying but not infuriating

[slow sigil]

Huh, what

[digital jewel]

In fact, I'd say that their shields aren't even the biggest problem with them

[slow sigil]

The enemies are bright, can't miss them

[digital jewel]

I hate their spinning attack far more tbh

[woeful brook]

I hate their Shockwave attack

[vast kettle]

I hate the TAG2 final boss

[slow sigil]

I never really get in range for them to do that without just killing them with bp or ssg so ehhh

[vast kettle]

It's such a big cop-out.
Ooooo!!! It's you...but dark!!!!

[woeful brook]

I just bloodpunch the shield or meathook other demons

[vast kettle]

So very epic and original.

[woeful brook]

Who invited a demon here

[digital jewel]

Everyone does, he's so annoying

[vast kettle]

Not annoying

Just a cop-out and unoriginal

[digital jewel]

He's the worst way to implement the system on which the Marauder works

[digital jewel]

It's a bit hard to avoid them entirely on certain Master Levels lol

[woeful brook]

@digital jewel "Gladiator Crying On The Corner and the Dark Lord"

[slow sigil]

They wanted to give it a cool lore reason*, but time constraints and rn there literally is no inlore reason as to why they look the same lol

[vast kettle]

I don't like how it's basically a beefed up marauder, it's just plain unoriginal.

[slow sigil]

BP, ssg

[digital jewel]

Nah, the Gladiator is good, so is the Marauder... The Dark Lord though 🤢

[slow sigil]

Marauder is ehhh, gladiator is ok for first 2 times, dark lord is.... yeah no

[digital jewel]

I know that a blood punch puts them into glory kill, they're still problematic sometimes lol

[woeful brook]

Don't know why the gladiator is a just big boy marauder with a 2nd phase

Also I never played TAG

[digital jewel]

The Gladiator is fun

And TAG1 is amazing, Samur is the hardest boss in the game

I think people also overexaggerate the difficulty of TAG2 though

[slow sigil]

You should, tag1 is the best content ingame imo

[vast kettle]

I swear there must be a dude who worked at ID who designed all the good parts of the game hug must've been away sick during the development of the dark lords development

[strange gale]

shares the parry mechanic and has a shield = same enemy

the green flash is just a really obvious way to say "you can hit me now" which doesn't at all mean "this is the only time you can hit me".
every other fucking enemy also has punish windows, they just don't have big obvious green flashes, so the "gladiator = big marauder" thing really doesn't work.

[digital jewel]

I mean, sure, it's easier than TAG1, but many people make it sound insanely easy to the point when any noob could just hop it and not due immediately

[woeful brook]

Maybe

[slow sigil]

It's now been changed, but it was an utter disappointment on release and the changes came wayyy too late

[vast kettle]

TAG1 nightmare I'm working on and it's giving me a hard challenge

[pale bronze]

Theres no doot demon emoji

[slow sigil]

No but like, after doing tag1 you just feel the change of difficulty

[woeful brook]

@vast kettle Then don't play it try practicing

[vast kettle]

Also I wish there was an arcing grenade launcher.

[slow sigil]

Arcing?

[vast kettle]

Ark

[strange gale]

you've got stickybombs

[vast kettle]

Whatever you call it.
Like from Quake

[slow sigil]

And normal nade has droppoff

[woeful brook]

@vast kettle (Sticky Bomb And Micro missles laugh in the corner)

[digital jewel]

I'd be willing to try TAG1 on UN if I didn't know any better, because I know that Samur will beat my ass even if I'm somehow lucky enough to get to him

[vast kettle]

I guess but rocket is the only ammo type to have only 1 weapon use it

[digital jewel]

Yeah, but, didn't they also change TAG1?

[slow sigil]

Yup, reverted almost everything now though

[digital jewel]

You know that area where a possessed Baron would spawn? I literally got a possessed Imp instead, lol...

[vast kettle]

Micro missiles isn't close and the sticky bombs don't have any complex physics to them to make them hard to learn.

[digital jewel]

Idk if that's a glitch or if the Hell Knight was supposed to be possessed instead

[slow sigil]

Yeah that just glitched,it happens

[vast kettle]

I essentially want something like the grenade launcher from TF2 or Quake

[woeful brook]

@vast kettle I don't think ID takes inspiration

[slow sigil]

Stickies

[pale bronze]

Wazzup everyone

[digital jewel]

Hey

[vast kettle]

The ballista is literally the railgun from Quake

[pale bronze]

Whatcha talking about

[digital jewel]

I'm not even sure

[vast kettle]

It's literally the same gun but it looks like a crossbow.

[slow sigil]

Jumppads and arena layout in eternal are inspired by quake

[woeful brook]

[vast kettle]

I like having mechanics that require me to learn them and take time to master

I got a taste of that with the meathook and the weapon mods.

[flint flame]

[woeful brook]

@vast kettle you play on console

[azure oriole]

???

[vast kettle]

But I want something that'll take me a long time to master but feel rewards to do so

[pale bronze]

Oh my gah

[vast kettle]

No, I play on pc.

[azure oriole]

Okay I get people may not like certain bosses but the whole "if the boss has green light they're a marauder" thing is getting old.

[flint flame]

(he doesn’t know yet)

[woeful brook]

I know that the dark lord is god

[slow sigil]

Pro tip: you can safely ignore half the weaponmods without any negativities

[slow sigil]

Well yes, but actually no

[flint flame]

“Gladiator is just a big boy marauder” he doesn’t know

[vast kettle]

The heavy cannon is my favourite weapon

[slow sigil]

Pb is quite fun yeah

[vast kettle]

It's simple and I love both the weapon mods.

[woeful brook]

@flint flame Green eyes and shield dosent work for you dosent prove my point ok 👍

[vast kettle]

The dark lord is literally just boring

The first time I was fighting him I found my mind wandering off because he only has 1 attack pattern

[slow sigil]

Micro missiles is ok for an automatic weaponmod, atleast extra damage after normal kill is kinda cool ig, yet still useless

[vast kettle]

Micro missiles might not be the most practical but damnit is it satisfying to shoot

[woeful brook]

(I realized the marauder summons dogs and the gladiator dosent summon his own enemies and that is the only difference but I'm too lazy to change my point haha)

[vast kettle]

I feel damn powerful using it and that's enough to make me like it.

[strange gale]

green eyes + shield = same enemy, according to this person

[vast kettle]

Precise mod might be more effective but it's not the raw power I feel with the micro missiles

[woeful brook]

@strange gale (Never said It was the same enemy)

[strange gale]

fuck comparing their movesets or ai behaviors, an obvious parry window is all that you need for an enemy to be a carbon copy of another

[slow sigil]

Too bqd knowing the damage output is subpar is enough for me

[digital jewel]

The Dark Lord is annoying as shit because his window of vulnerability is shown to you far too rarely

And also, his attacks are boring, but if they at least allowed you to attack him more often, that would be cool

[woeful brook]

Can we not do a argument because of a thing I said centuries ago because of both mechanics

[digital jewel]

The fact that he heals doesn't make him harder, it just makes him more annoying

[vast kettle]

The Dark Lord is just boring.
No comment on the whole marauder thing, it's just fucking boring.

[strange gale]

all i'm saying is your point sucks, no argument needed. 👍

[digital jewel]

The only thing that makes him somewhat hard is the damage he deals

[woeful brook]

@strange gale Trust me I don't care what you think and all I'm saying Is ok 👍

[vast kettle]

The last part where he summons other demons actually had me surprised and that was the one stage i enjoyed.

[woeful brook]

@strange gale also having wife and kids means disproving a opinion

[vast kettle]

Wasn't hard though, all of them went into a small space and I got 2 grenades in there and it destroyed most of them

[jaunty vapor]

Here's the thing about Gladiator, you CAN actually damage him outside the Parry/gk Windows. It's actually the strat used for speedruns, instead of glory killing, players damage him, Parry him, and then continue to damage him during the window your supposed to glory kill him, etc.

And of course phase 2 removes the shield so it's mechanically different since now the fight incentivizes you shooting him outside the Parry window.

[digital jewel]

Well, the last stage is more satisfying than the previous ones, it's still boring

Just fly over the Gladiator's head and shoot him in the ass with rockets

[woeful brook]

@jaunty vapor I mean I guess they have different behaviors to their shields

[jaunty vapor]

Technically you can damage Marauders outside of Parry windows but actually achieving that is less simple than it is for Gladiator. For gladiator he doesn't block remote Det shots or curved lock ons, etc, unlike Marauder. Also you can just meathook jump.and shoot him above the shield, etc. Gladiator technically IS. A"big Marauder", except he's a Marauder with depth.

[vast kettle]

It's to the point I say Duke Nukem Forever's boss fights are better than the dark lord.

It's not a good game but at least the bosses didn't make me as bored as the dark lord

[jaunty vapor]

Gladiator is basically a "Good" version of a Marauder while Marauder is a "Bad" version of a Marauder 🤣

[digital jewel]

I still hope the Marauder returns in the next game 🙂

[woeful brook]

@vast kettle Thank you for giving us your opinion and not worrying about it 🙂

[vast kettle]

About what?

[digital jewel]

True

Tbh it's hard for games to make an actual good boss

[woeful brook]

It's in the sentence

[digital jewel]

But it can definitely be done right

The Gladiator reminds me of Sundowner from MGR a little

[jaunty vapor]

I hope if it returns they make it more fun, although it really just depends on the direction the next game goes. all signs point to a game focused on weakpoint/parrying, rather than movement/restacking like DE. But this is all just speculation.

[vast kettle]

Bosses need to feel grand and that's hard

[strange gale]

ripostes in next game

[vast kettle]

One thing I noticed is that during the start of the dark lord fight there is no music.

[digital jewel]

I hope they give him a more creative moveset

[woeful brook]

@jaunty vapor Marauders are fun already you can make up combos and get a worthy opponent but I hate spirits remove them

[jaunty vapor]

I actually really liked Spider Mastermind in 2016. For Eternal, I think Icon is the 'best" boss since it's basically "a big arena with a hazard known as Icon of Sin" rather than being an actual boss, if that makes sense.

[digital jewel]

Both have a shield and whatnot...

[azure oriole]

Spider Mastermind is the best modern Doom boss.

[digital jewel]

The difference with Sundowner is that you can cut down his shield, I think it's a great way to implement it into the boss fight

[digital jewel]

I think the Cyberdemon and the Guardians are more fun tbh

[vast kettle]

Spirits are literally just demon rabies

[digital jewel]

I like the Spirits

[jaunty vapor]

I disagree they're "fun". And this isn't because they're hard, Marauders are insanely easy nowadays but whether they're hard OR easy, I think their design is antithetical to Doom Eternal's gameplay loop in that its an enemy designed to be only reactive, vs. having an enemy that you can be reactive OR proactive against.

Spirit Buff is good, Spirits themselves are kinda mid to bad.

[woeful brook]

@vast kettle POV: you are playing horde mode and you don't have plasma rifle against a spirit

@jaunty vapor Buffed marauder or marauders pick a side

[jaunty vapor]

Honestly Spirits are only coded to possess specific enemies depending on the spirit itself, and I believe the first Spirit in Horde doesn't possess that many different types of demons. So it's easy to just kill whatever it's possessing and let it die on its own

[woeful brook]

@jaunty vapor they go for the more big enemies to be honest

And why is the microwave beam a good idea

[digital jewel]

I actually prefer the microwave beam over the heat blast, personally

Always have, even back when I was new to the game

[vast kettle]

Im gonna take a stab here, you're either 14 or younger.

[jaunty vapor]

Yes, but some spirits are only coded to possess, for example, Mancubi and Barons only. It's dependent on the specific Spirit, no two spirits are coded the same, basically.

[woeful brook]

@vast kettle what the hell do you mean there is a wheel in horde mode

[jaunty vapor]

Also I don't know what this means, no matter what Marauders are boring/poorly designed enemies doesn't matter if they're buffed or not

[vast kettle]

I like the horde mode wheel thing

Forces you to use all your weapons

[digital jewel]

I've only played Horse Mode once

[jaunty vapor]

In fact spirit buffed Marauders are easier than normal Marauders since you can just Mobile Turret one cycle them anyways

[digital jewel]

It's cool, it's just a lot of new stuff to take in

[vast kettle]

I didn't use the plasma rifle often, until I played horde mode and I was forced to use it.

Now I like it

[sacred dirge]

It wasn't balanced at all. Basically got the FA treatment

[strange gale]

"forced" is a big word here

[jaunty vapor]

If the enemy spawns were random, I'd like it, but because Horde is the same every time it just makes grinding/replaying a chore since it's RNG what weapons you'll get.

[slow sigil]

I wished ID properly balanced the weapon(mods) so i WANT to use them without feeling like intentionally nerfing myself

[jaunty vapor]

Would have preferred them to either go all in on the RNG or just keep it the same weapon pickups every time.

[vast kettle]

Yeah might be the wrong word, but I was enclined to use it more

[strange gale]

there's strong encouragement yes, but most of the time you can either entirely out-dps the possession timer or get close to that
inb4 "☝️🤓 shield raze"

[digital jewel]

Tbh mods overall are pretty okay as they are right now

[vast kettle]

And I don't know much about game balance, I just play games and have fun and talk about them.
So I'm not really in a position to say if something is over powered or not

[digital jewel]

I think they should buff the heat blast a little, same with remote detonation rockets and ESPECIALLY the Unmaykr

[azure oriole]

I'm not gonna make that joke agin cuz it's unfunny

[digital jewel]

Also, I don't think full auto was buffed quite enough when it comes to damage

[vast kettle]

I just liked how when you only have 2 weapons and when you don't like them, you gotta use them anyway.

[jaunty vapor]

Definitely should buff remote Det more than a little

At the very least it should have the same explosive damage as base rockets with the same damage fall off

[vast kettle]

Horde made me a better played and forced me to use all my weapons

[woeful brook]

Honestly remote det it's hard to do on console quickswaps

[strange gale]

wtf is with the -300 damage anyway

[digital jewel]

Oh and, they should buff the mobile turret a little bit tbh

[slow sigil]

Ehh not really
The automatic weaponmods all are boring AND underpowered, all the while giving the wrong impression to people who dont know you should swap often, by giving you mods where you dont want to swap
Lock on and shield are too strong, while rem det is too weak.
Bal is the most balanced, and even that just barely misses the mark

[digital jewel]

I literally don't remember the last time I've see anyone use it over the energy shield

[jaunty vapor]

My guess is they were afraid remote Det would be too good like it was in 2016 or something

[vast kettle]

I never played 2016

[strange gale]

what you do instead is you remove ES and leave MT as is because it's already a fine mod

[slow sigil]

Or rework both

[digital jewel]

Was remote detonation even good in 2016 tbh? I used it like 3-4 times in 2016 and just switched back to lock-on

[ruby grove]

Hi I just joined the server

[digital jewel]

Welcome home, Great Slayer.

[jaunty vapor]

I mean even if you completely removed ES, MT wouldn't be used much anyways because PB exisits

[strange gale]

you could get 2x damage out of each RD rocket, yeah it was kinda good

[jaunty vapor]

The mastery let you basically get 2 rockets in 1 rocket so it was pretty good. Also LoB wasn't nearly as good since it was kinda slower in 2016

Wasn't bad either, just wasn't Eternals LoB

[digital jewel]

I remember it being slower

I don't think I experimented with 2016 mods enough, unfortunately

I don't think Doom 2016 does a great job at giving you enough reasons to use every single mod there is

[slow sigil]

Wow recurring game patterns /s

[jaunty vapor]

Neither does Eternal XD

[digital jewel]

I mean... I never used the heat blast over the stun bomb on the plasma gun because the stun bomb was extremely easy to use

[digital jewel]

Tbh it still does a far better job at it

[slow sigil]

Not enough though

[jaunty vapor]

Something something alpha rotation

[digital jewel]

Like... What about that spinning mod on the chaingun? Was there a single poor soul on the face of the earth who was using that mod? Lmao

[jaunty vapor]

I think both games had... About the same number of """useless""" mods.

(Note: useless does not literally mean useless, you all know EXACTLY what I'm talking about)

[digital jewel]

I do know what you mean, but I don't think I can really agree

[slow sigil]

Half of them 😔

[digital jewel]

I mean, the precision bolt in 2016 was a big heap of shit if my memory serves me right

[sacred dirge]

Heat blast was still useful when mastered with its auto charge. But yeah overall stun was better

[strange gale]

there was no bolt

[sacred dirge]

? How so

[digital jewel]

I'm talking about that sniping mod on the heavy canon, whatever it was called back then

[slow sigil]

I'm not counting FA and MWB since the game basically FORCES you to use it and outside of that 1 forced use, it's bad

[sacred dirge]

It was one of the best combo swaps in the game

With stun also so strange you didn't like it

[flint flame]

What are you on about

[digital jewel]

I don't think it was as useful back then, especially seeing as there were no weak points

[jaunty vapor]

If we math it out, 2016 has
Useful: Grenade Launcher, MM(barely), Stun Bomb, Remote Det, Mobile Turret (maybe), Siege, SSG (I'm counting this even if it had no mod)
Not useful: charged burst, scope, heat blast (though it's ok it's no stun bomb), lock on, rotator barrel, precision bolt (decent but definitely no siege)

[sacred dirge]

You don't really use it to snipe it was used much like the precision bolt is now

[flint flame]

Okay since I have to make this obvious for you @woeful brook you said the gladiator is a big marauder, but you haven’t seen the dark lord.

[woeful brook]

@flint flame I watched a gameplay of him though and people agreed that he is boring anyways

[digital jewel]

I wouldn't call the lock-on useless... Lol
In my opinion, charged burst was batter than those shotgun bombs tbh

They're no sticky bombs, that's for sure

[jaunty vapor]

Eternal has
Useful: sticky, PB, mm (barely), lock on, SSG, Dblade, arbalest (barely), energy shield
Not useful: full auto, heat blast, microwave beam, remote Det, mobile turret

[sacred dirge]

Charge burst was trash

[jaunty vapor]

It's not that they're useless, it's that remote Det is just so much better there's no reason to use lock on

[strange gale]

everything in d16 becomes a fast state weapon once you get hot swapper, so it's really not very good even there

[digital jewel]

Also, I don't think the microwave beam is "not useful"

[woeful brook]

Best way to deal barons

[jaunty vapor]

Fucking no it's not XD

[sacred dirge]

I used it pretty often to melt mancs and still preferred it over seige. I'd usually only use a seige with a stun

[digital jewel]

Sure, but better than the bomb on the shotgun back then tbh

[jaunty vapor]

Meathook jump away from a Baron, and do pb -rocket - SLOBS.

Or do SSG Punch Swaps, and the damage AND blood punch will stagger it and it'll die before it get a chance to even attack

[sacred dirge]

The shotgun "bomb" is extremely useful

[digital jewel]

You can lock demons in place and then quick-swap to a ballista, it's cool

[strange gale]

you can also lock demons in place with blood punch and smart dash usage

[jaunty vapor]

You can also just hold backwards and swap between ballista and something that ACTUALLY does damage

[woeful brook]

Who the hell is calling me that after a dumb response I never criticized you

[jaunty vapor]

Meme Beams not 'useless', but at a high level it is

[slow sigil]

If you count ssg in 2016 you must count meathook in eternal

[jaunty vapor]

If we wanna math out every skill level of usefulness then yeah Meme Beams fine for people new who don't have a good grasp of the movement systems

[digital jewel]

Sure, you're a speedrunner, it might be garbage for you but for an overwhelming majority of people, I don't think it would fall into the same category

[jaunty vapor]

I did count SSG for Eternal. I just didn't wanna separate them

[digital jewel]

Also, the microwave beam stops enemy attack animations, I think there's some fun to be had with it

[jaunty vapor]

Not just for speedrunners bro. If I was talking about speedrunning and modded content I'd have also said Mm is useless

[digital jewel]

It's certainly better than the heat blast, if you ask me

[gray rivet]

Lmaoo

[slow sigil]

Oh i was looking for "meathook" and completely overlooked "ssg" 😂

[jaunty vapor]

"fun to be had" != Usefulness

[flint flame]

(He doesn’t know slob)

[slow sigil]

A overwhelming majority of people dont know you have to swap at all and insist FA is good too

[sacred dirge]

Fun vrs practical argument always a classic

[woeful brook]

@flint flame (He Dosen't know opinions)

[digital jewel]

You can't expect everything to as practical on the same level

[flint flame]

You asked for the best way to deal barons, I gave it to you.

[woeful brook]

@flint flame (He doesn't know get over it)

[gray rivet]

Bruh

[woeful brook]

@flint flame thanks

[digital jewel]

Is there anything that beasts the meathook or the precision bolt? No, but in that case, you might as well look for some fun in it as well

[slow sigil]

If you know how to quickswap with mbeam you know how to hold s and pb swap

[flint flame]

Try googling “doom eternal slob” @woeful brook

[slow sigil]

There is though, lock on and shield

[digital jewel]

Yes, but my point is that the beam isn't "useless"

[slow sigil]

It practically is

[digital jewel]

I was being more metaphorical

[slow sigil]

You dpnt need to use it since doing damage also falters, so why go to mbeam if you can just... swap to something that does damage and ALSO falter

[digital jewel]

I'd use the microwave beam over full auto or heat blast at any time

[woeful brook]

@flint flame "Tips"

[jaunty vapor]

Microwave beam is arguably a crutch for new players because yeah it can stun a Baron in place, that's cool, but MOST arenas don't just have 1 enemy, so locking onto one thing and slowly stunning/killing it while other threats are around isn't as good as simply learning good movement (not SPEEDRUN movement, just general meathook jumps or proper dashes/bunny hops) and killing things quicker while avoiding them.

Like the best example would be SGN Master Level. How many times do you microwave beam one of the 3 Archviles and focus on just the Archie, when there's other enemies too?

[jaunty vapor]

This I can agree with admittedly.

[flint flame]

My brother in Christ you asked for the best way to deal with barons. Do your research

[slow sigil]

Yeah and i would use mm over full auto too, doesnt mean mm is suddenly good just because it's better then another, even worse, mod

[digital jewel]

I think only very new players actually use the beam to repeatedly keep a demon locked in place tbh

Like someone said, new players don't really grasp the concept of quick-swapping at first from my experience

[flint flame]

Not new players, under the Mayo fans

[gray rivet]

xd

[digital jewel]

No one is going to use all their plasma ammo on a single Baron

[slow sigil]

New players dont even realize the effectiveness of swapping

[digital jewel]

I was talking about literally just constantly keeping the beam concentrated on a single heavy or super heavy

[slow sigil]

Wait you meant keeping them stunned instead of repeatedly like while swapping to and from it nvm

[woeful brook]

@digital jewel they don't have to explode him just do combos

[jaunty vapor]

But if a player is learning how to 'quick swap between ballista and microwave beam ", why wouldn't they also be capable of learning how to meathook jump and back pedal while doing ballista PB swaps instead?

[gray rivet]

I just use what is fun

[flint flame]

Oh…

[woeful brook]

Especially on a spirited one

[sacred dirge]

[jaunty vapor]

It's like players are capable of learning one tech (meme beam swap to other weapon) but not the other pieces of tech (meathook jumps resetting your double jump)

[digital jewel]

They're not going to use the microwave beam at that level anyway lol, I think it's safe to say that the first combo anyone has ever learnt is the SSG ballista

[strange gale]

time to write a book about this, no?

[slow sigil]

Same, and i like doing effective stuff. So knowing i'm nerfing myself while a better option is right there 1 button away is quite,, ehh

[woeful brook]

[patent stream]

1 tech takes up 90% of thinking. Adding more tech is hard.
Personally ballista ssg is all you need ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[azure oriole]

The only truly effective use of mwb imo is a short burst followed by rl slobs against possessed enemies.
As mwb stops them so you can get the rocket-lock on done easier

[patent stream]

Sometimes I even use frags for a little razzle dazzle

[jaunty vapor]

That's what I'm saying. Nobody who's absolutely new is going to do Meme Beam -> ballista against enemies.

By the time a player learns they COULD do that, they should also be capable of learning how the movement works to simply avoid enemies altogether, so PB Ballista, ballista SSG, or PB rockets (or even just basic lock on bursting) would all be more efficient. And I'm saying efficient not just "kill faster", but more "if you kill something faster you are INHERENTLY SAFER" in the arena

[jaunty vapor]

This is also something I can agree with, though I will also mention you CAN just avoid spirit enemies just like normal enemies, it is harder so I can seed ground that for mid level players this is a fine use

[jaunty vapor]

Just PB rocket

[woeful brook]

PB?

[jaunty vapor]

Precision Bolt

[woeful brook]

Thx

[digital jewel]

I suppose you're right, but you're also not taking something into consideration

[patent stream]

Ew what am I fancy?

[azure oriole]

Yeah mwb is not in any way necessary there but I use it sometimes against pos.
Mainly as the stun helps you land the first rocket and get lock on more reliably

[digital jewel]

New CONSOLE players might not have a fun time learning the PB rocket combo, and chances are that they'll probably learn how to use the microwave beam far earlier

[woeful brook]

@patent stream you play on PC or console

[patent stream]

Switch

[slow sigil]

Ok so now they are learning a less effective weaponmod and wasting time sounds like they should be balanced out then

[digital jewel]

I'm speaking from my experience here though, I got experience with the microwave beam combos far earlier than with PB, oddly enough

[patent stream]

As a console player I never touched microwave cuz it was bad

[woeful brook]

@patent stream

[digital jewel]

How would a new player know what the best strategies out there are? Lol

[patent stream]

I only use microwave for food

[woeful brook]

@patent stream welp it was nice knowing you

[digital jewel]

Although, you're right, they SHOULD be buffed

[patent stream]

? Mad cuz I’m better on switch 👀

[slow sigil]

They wont, but weaponmods should still be balanced then instead of being.... largely useless and ineffective

[digital jewel]

I think the microwave beam should at the very least stun demons for quite longer than it does

[flint flame]

Bob look out, he’s gonna microwave beam you!!!!

[jaunty vapor]

The point wasn't that new players should know the best strats, it was us saying why eventually some of the weapons are considered useless (and comparing the amount of useless ones between 2016 and Eternal)

[patent stream]

Oh then I’ll be unharmed. Good good

[woeful brook]

@patent stream well I don't see a benefit on playing on switch to be honest

[slow sigil]

Make plasma beam "charge up" enemies and they drop energy when killed

[patent stream]

Who said anything about a benefit?

[digital jewel]

That's actually a good idea

Then you'd have a reason to want to finish someone off with the beam

[jaunty vapor]

The only real problem is how do we define useless. Cause there's "it's useful for beginners but not useful later" which isn't a bad metric but it's obviously different from "mid-high level usefulness"

[digital jewel]

Also, the heat blast should do a lot more damage

[jaunty vapor]

Whenever I had time, the next weapon I was gonna rework in Unity was Meme Beam and I was gonna basically do this, charge enemies up with meme beam and then if they die they explode, no matter what you killed then with. So that you COULD swap with meme beam in a decent manner

[slow sigil]

Also quite a cool idea

[woeful brook]

I just think it's wierd to be on the switch on what I was going for

[jaunty vapor]

Why do think it's weird to be on the switch?

[woeful brook]

I mean really it's just me personally people can adapt to the switch all they want

[jaunty vapor]

That definitely wasn't the question but whatever. 🤣

[gray rivet]

Xd

[flint flame]

Your original question was about the benefit of being on switch, how did you twist that to be about you

[woeful brook]

@jaunty vapor I just feel that way because it's a m rated game on the switch and really the layout of the controller

But hey that's just a theory a game theory

[patent stream]

Nintendo has had m rated games well before the switch. And the layout is the same as other controllers?

[flint flame]

Your point makes no sense

[woeful brook]

I know let's not talk about this

[flint flame]

This is like the second time when you’ve been called out on not making sense that you go “let’s not talk about this” like just accept you didn’t make sense

But yes, doom eternal

[woeful brook]

I mean I did on the first time but for me now I feel nothing

Not like I agree on my opinion

[patent stream]

Doesn’t even agree with himself. I knew it

Quite spicy. Beat super gore nest master level ultra nightmare first try on switch.
Got my whole gold skin layout.

[gray rivet]

Sick

[slow sigil]

Not pictured: 86 testruns

[woeful brook]

Shee

[patent stream]

No no see I needed to warm up warm ups don’t count so

[woeful brook]

Meanwhile me on horde mode struggled with the final arena and lost lives

[patent stream]

I also beat horde mode nightmare switch no lives lost

Was momentarily #1 on leaderboard then I quit

[azure forum]

Other than having a portable device and an active battlemode server, there's no reason to play on switch over other consoles or PC.

[patent stream]

Will likely switch to deck once I have data. But pc is like 90gb and switch is 33gb

[formal cloak]

germ approves of doom eternal

[patent stream]

Oh turns out my theory indeed works on some games

[bleak light]

Ancient gods 2 Is amazing

[azure forum]

Don't blame you Bob. I'd do the same. SD is definitely the way to go.

[patent stream]

My theory was “set right touchpad to mouse input for fps games for controller movement but mouse aiming”

And for some games that indeed 100% works

[azure forum]

However, Switch is fine. It crashes and all that, but it also works fine. People make it sound like it is the end of the world because it runs at 30fps.

[patent stream]

Of course I haven’t tested many fps but it worked for dread Templar but not halo

Nah switch was wonderful

I would only switch for the ultra nightmare graphics

Eternal is such a beautiful game I want to see it more beautiful

Environments are top notch

[calm hornet]

why in middle of a fight i stopped being able to move, move camera and shoot?

[azure forum]

On a completely unrelated note, Discord finally added system dark mode to Android and amoled dark as well. It was about time. Back to eternal

[gray rivet]

Arc complex looks awesome

[patent stream]

But overall switch eternal is quite impressive running on 2010 toaster technology

[gray rivet]

^

[azure forum]

I think TAG1 is a masterpiece when it comes to environment

[calm hornet]

im on worlds spear

[bleak light]

||BRO CURSED DEMONS ARE SO BULLSHIT!||

[gray rivet]

@jaunty vapor who is a player you really enjoy watching? I like smvr

What player do you guys like?

[flint flame]

Sounds like a controller disconnect to me

[bleak light]

Like what am i supposed to do if i don't have bloodpunch?

[calm hornet]

it isnt

pause screen works fine

[cedar isle]

||gun||

[azure forum]

And they got nerfed. Go around and get GKs to get blood punches. Either that or die.

[opal galleon]

The slayer realized he was in the wrong

[flint flame]

The prowler automatically gives you a blood punch on curse. Either you kill them before you they hit you, or suffer and play hide and seek with them

[flint flame]

Doom eternal pacifist route

[jaunty vapor]

MuteD6 lately. Also Bowsr. Any time Bowsr puts up something new I usually get excited
Generally though I'm not watching that many people play, just reviewing vods so I know what I need to improve on.

[gray rivet]

Yep, that is what I am trying to do as well. Improve. Thanks for this

[jaunty vapor]

If you're on console I'd highly recommend watching MMAFRO play. They're probably one of the best controller players rn.

Though recently they've taken a break from DE

[gray rivet]

That's perfect thanks, ah I see

[opal galleon]

Hopes and dreams

[woeful brook]

Don't watch gameplay watch underthemayo

He is the best at tutorials

[calm hornet]

will reloading last checkpoint reset extra lifes?

[formal cloak]

buckio*

[jaunty vapor]

The only video that he's done that really helps players improve would probably be the Falter video. Everything else is... Informative? But generally the tools/strats he use arent the best, especially for stuff like master levels/modded content, etc.

[formal cloak]

buckio

[strange gale]

hell on deimos has some good stuff

[jaunty vapor]

DrakePh0se has been doing a series on movement tech lately that, while focused on speedrunners, definitely has application for everybody.

And as @formal cloak said, Buckio has some great beginner tutorials that are probably still relevant.

[gray rivet]

Nice

[formal cloak]

told you

[jaunty vapor]

Sylar and Bryi0 have some of the higher end tech tutorials, and the Speedrun discord has a pretty big repository of information and such

[woeful brook]

Well if you dont feel he is helpful than watch other ones I would recommend quickswap on console then

I would agree that his tutorials didn't help me even the falter one

There are more ways to be good

[strange gale]

now that is a vague statement

[jaunty vapor]

I feel like there's a language barrier... You said he's the best at tutorials but you also said they didn't help you

[woeful brook]

Are we talking about me or begginers

I watched him before I got doom eternal

[jaunty vapor]

Booooth I guess?

[woeful brook]

It helps

[jaunty vapor]

I wouldnt recommend anyone new watch any videos from anyone until they beat the game at least once anyways

[woeful brook]

How about we say if your struggling watch a tutorial easy

[jaunty vapor]

You won't understand WHAT is being improved on if you dont have a control/basis to compare with

[woeful brook]

@jaunty vapor what

[shadow vessel]

my vram is capped but i have much more that its not letting me use how do i fix this

[jaunty vapor]

If I tell someone who's never played Doom Eternal "PB rocket quick swaps are the best DPS you should do those", they won't understand a plethora of things about what I just said. Even if I explain Precision Bolt, they won't graps that "swapping from precision bolt to another weapon and back resets the cooldown" UNTIL they have used Precision Bolt once and understand 'oj, precision lot has a cooldown after firing"

And that extends EVEN to the most basic features. I wouldn't recommend ANYONE watch tutorials on how to get better/improve until they've gotten a somewhat fundamental grasp of the game

[timid plank]

I started using microwave beam cause of mayo lol but otherwise found the game simple enough to understand on my own without tutorials

[jaunty vapor]

I'm always down to help people improve and give stars and numbers but usually whenever someone comes in here saying they just bought the game and what to expect or whatever, I just tell them to enjoy the game first, worry about stats/tech later.

[woeful brook]

@jaunty vapor That is why you need to practice young pupil you wouldn't get it at first but that is practice maybe in your eyes you think your good but the begginers make mistakes hat need to be solved with a tutorial what do you do when you need help

Plus doom eternal is a long game you can stop and practice and maybe change your controls

[azure forum]

Beginners need to play to learn. It is simple as that.

[woeful brook]

And make things a little easier

[strange gale]

what is he saying

[woeful brook]

True but If someone you know is bad and thinks he'll never get ahead you do nothing!?

[jaunty vapor]

That's a large leap in logic

[azure oriole]

Tbf that's not inherently bad, actually opposite.
Easy to grasp serviceable concepts for beginners and more advanced and more effective concepts for experienced players.

[jaunty vapor]

If someone is bad enough that they literally can't play the game on a lower difficulty without looking up videos and such, I'd probably ask "do you ENJOY this?" cause chances are they don't

[azure forum]

Then move to a different game. Nobody is forcing anyone to play a game. People should play it to have fun. Nobody is new at a game and excels instantly.

[woeful brook]

Players may not play again no more if you recommend to play the whole game after for a tutorial

[jaunty vapor]

Oh I don't disagree! Often I praise Micro Missiles (and even Mobile Turret to a degree) for being good for beginner players and such

[woeful brook]

Well my friend we are in a doom eternal server

[jaunty vapor]

That's not a bad thing though not everyone needs to enjoy the game and what not

[woeful brook]

@jaunty vapor First you said play the whole game and now you said it's not fit for everyone

[azure oriole]

You don't agree with your opinion?

[jaunty vapor]

Bruh

[woeful brook]

@azure oriole that's the reason is my opinion

[azure forum]

I think you need to get your thoughts and opinions together son.

[woeful brook]

How did this go from tutorials to madness

You can agree on your opinion all you want

[jaunty vapor]

If everyone had the mentality "I am struggling with game, I must Google how get better", games as a whole would be extremely boring. People should be SOMEWHAT self sufficient for at the very least a first time playthrough.

[shadow vessel]

Can you transfer skins from one platform to another

[azure forum]

I'm my opinion:

A new player learns the basic mechanics of the game by playing and following the in game tutorials. This allows for a basic level of playing. If the player decides to get into a higher level of playing, then resources are available outside of the game such as this server or other forums, etc.

[azure oriole]

This times 100

[woeful brook]

And meanwhile me having this argument instead on playing my game peacefully I'm not fighting demons right now

[strange gale]

oh but you are

[flint flame]

I dunno, he disagrees with himself

[azure forum]

You started this "argument" son

[woeful brook]

@azure forum how I said watch tutorials

Why am I being hated all of the sudden

[jaunty vapor]

Nobody said they hated you, why do you assume we're "hating" you?

[azure oriole]

Yeah. Micro missiles are super fun to fire imo, sometimes.
Only problem is you need to swap out of pb which is like deciding to stop breathing for a while, lol

[jaunty vapor]

Arguments can be had between people who like and respect each other, contrary to internet belief

[azure forum]

No, don't take it that direction. We are discussing not hating on anyone. In fact, me at least, maybe others, are trying to understand what your point is.

[woeful brook]

It's like I'm throwing opinion here then people do everything in their power to disprove me I don't see people do that all day

@azure oriole also litterally on my playthrough I never acquired the micro missles

[jaunty vapor]

It's less that we're disproving and more giving an experienced or more informed opinion. For instance, and Im NOT trying to say this is a bad thing, how many hours in Doom Eternal do you have, and how much time has that been out toward hard content such as master levels or Ultra Nightmare runs? (I'm not saying that the end all be all but it does somewhat matter in terms of general experience)

Cause there are people here who've been around for 1 or 2 years in this Discord, and have over 1000 hours of playtime in Eternal, who like to offer their advice/opinions to new people to the discord

Nobody is trying to be hateful, they're offering their opinions in contrast. It's possible those opinions can be... Heated, to say the least, but they're tempered by countless hours of debate and/or practice and theory.

[azure oriole]

With all respect you disprove and contradict yourself.
You at least need to work on forming cohesive sentences better.

[woeful brook]

@jaunty vapor I have nothing to say about that completely speechless

@azure oriole Ahh Yessi me ba d at gramma

Is that me?

[azure forum]

Bad grammar and cohesive sentences are different things

[azure oriole]

No need to get snarky when you are offered constructive advice.
Ofc I can rephrase what I said as "yo mama"

[woeful brook]

Ah so what do I need to do

[azure forum]

@azure oriole you back playing eternal or still on break?

[azure oriole]

Playing, not too often though

Still hung up in The Lands Between

[azure forum]

I think I finally found a consistent way to beat TN ML archie room without supers. The RNG in that room is insane

[woeful brook]

How can I achieve this power!

(Jk)

[azure oriole]

That's one of the things I personally won't bother with, given how effective the double bfg shot strat is

Honestly that room alone means I won't do TN ML no supers, lol

[woeful brook]

Wait actually give me that

[azure oriole]

You have a clip btw?

[gray rivet]

How many hours of playtime do you have in this game?

[woeful brook]

@gray rivet I have to check

[gray rivet]

Ok

[woeful brook]

Yah I don't know how to check it on console

But I'm not that good really

[azure forum]

I got a twitch recorded when I was practicing. Let me find it

Also, that room alone is the reason why I can't play without shield as well. I don't use the shield pretty much anymore and I've been thinking about cutting the chaingun for the unmaykr in the weapon wheel, but that room is brutal without shield for me. Needs even more practice- but maybe that's my ceiling. Don't know

[woeful brook]

Tell us why please

I played it but never play TAG

[azure forum]

@azure oriole I put it in #videos . Go to min 45 when I started playing the Archie room multiple times. I died in some attempts, but I think I can get a clear stream run in UN

[sly pike]

Is anyone else excited for the new items in the events

[woeful brook]

@azure oriole I would recommend watching this video first https://youtu.be/g50LPTF9HtA

It even helped me

[sly pike]

Idk

[woeful brook]

@azure oriole Because of weapon mods etc also doom eternal has new stuff in it

[sly pike]

[floral cave]

Mullet slayer is the best skin. Change my mind

[woeful brook]

Oh yeah once your done with preschool you get used to elementary quick

[gray rivet]

What event is next?

[sly pike]

Idk

But I’m excited

[gray rivet]

Yea I'm interested, I want more weapon skins

[floral cave]

That'd be pretty interesting to see

[jaunty vapor]

Maybe we'll finally get Pink Praetor ;w;

(is in denial)

[floral cave]

Now THAT would be a masterpiece 😍

[azure forum]

Give us Lux Praetor

[woeful brook]

@sly pike A NEW EVENT

[sly pike]

Ikr

[jaunty vapor]

Imo Ebony Praetor is close enough

[woeful brook]

@jaunty vapor you gotta have hope in everything

[gray rivet]

I really want carbon fiber plasma rifle

[woeful brook]

Otherwise you won't be happy

[gray rivet]

I missed that one

[azure forum]

I just want more praetor

[jaunty vapor]

You mean Philly Fusion Astro, I think it was? I might be wrong.

[restive cedar]

probably old event repeat

[jaunty vapor]

The black/orange one?

[gray rivet]

That would be fine since I missed some events xd

[gray rivet]

Yes

[woeful brook]

@gray rivet it's litterally just a plasma rifle with an orange stripe

[gray rivet]

It's black as well

[azure forum]

Don't worry boys, we are going to get a pizza themed mancubus instead

[gray rivet]

Oooo

[woeful brook]

@gray rivet IM CONVINCED

[jaunty vapor]

When I'm not downpatcher, that's my favorite skin since I'm a huge Philly Fusion fan and it's basically their colors

[shadow vessel]

What fps should i set as my target for dynamic resolution if i want to stay at 60

[woeful brook]

I got an idea for a doom slayer skin

[shell radish]

Ice themed would be cool

[woeful brook]

What if it's a really scary Clown with blood all over it and black scars that has a axe as the forearm sword and a inflator for the grenade/flame belch launcher I call it No joke

[sly pike]

Yah