doom-eternal

[rotund ether]

Stress and Panic are probably your worst enemies on UN

[valid wren]

Main reason especially at the end is me stressing

on the final levels

[rotund ether]

Because when you die on CB or DHB it's not a big deal
But dying on Nekravol, Urdak or especially Final Sin is painful and tragic

[timid moat]

" You attempt Ultra Nightmare for the gold skin.
I attempt Ultra Nightmare because it's the only milestone left on the campaign tab.
We are not the same"

Whoever made the milestone for ultra nightmare just wanted us to suffer seeing 49/50 I swear

[slow panther]

I've got so far in UN until the Gladiator. My heart rate skyrocket when fought him every single time.

[rotund ether]

I don't even care about gold skins, Skullface is the only UN skin I like

[timid moat]

Can you imagine if they used the scrapped Gold version of bosses. That would have truly been a nightmare

[rotund ether]

Campaign on UN, but every level is a Master Level

[slow panther]

In classic mode, the coin room in Taras Nabad ML and the room where you've only got SSG without rocket is insane

[slow panther]

That would be really fun with lots of meme

[timid moat]

Oh man I have yet to complete a single master level on ultra nightmare, let alone all of them in a row....

[slow panther]

Yep, so many times it's important to calm your mind and not panic when things go out of control and your hp remain 10 or 5

[strange gale]

nah, the bullet has a visible tracer in lots of instances. not caused by "advanced movement".

[azure oriole]

Damn, TAG 1 is awesome

[timid moat]

If you guys like chaotic fun I really reccomend the enemy randomizer mod and the infinite arena mod

[timid plank]

I just realized in the last mission where the UAC hologram lady is talking about gods walking among us and shit, if you keep listening she says “Lemmy is God”. Never noticed it before

[blissful swan]

heyyyyy doom eternal fans

[night patrol]

Yo

[blissful swan]

do you guys know how to get out of the abyss in doom eternal

i was doing some parkour and i fell in and now im stuck

[flint flame]

I do un for a challenge, we are not the same

[blissful swan]

can you guys help

[flint flame]

Load checkpoint

[blissful swan]

yea thats the problem

[hollow hearth]

hey do they have team death match yet?

[flint flame]

Close out the game and go back in

[blissful swan]

but i'll try it

[flint flame]

Lol no, what??

[blissful swan]

it should load me back in since i fell in when i etenred the area but lets try

[flint flame]

Tdm would literally not work

[blissful swan]

a

[hollow hearth]

pathetic

[night patrol]

Saul
:0

[sacred dirge]

Just swinging around. That would be hilarious

[flint flame]

They did whatever they could during covid lockdown, I’d like to see you try to add a game mode during covid for a triple a game

[hollow hearth]

stfu

[flint flame]

Nah

[hollow hearth]

id wike to swee you dew it

[frosty berry]

Somebody Know how to ad Friend ?

[azure forum]

The gold skin is overrated anyways. The banner is cool though

[blissful swan]

the fact that in the switch version you can get set into the abyss just because of climbing makes me amazed that the game dosent colapse on its self any second

[flint flame]

On steam? Discord? In game?

[sacred dirge]

👶

[azure forum]

It actually happens in some levels. Something similar has happened multiple times in Taras nabad master level. There's an area where if you fall, you are in the eternal abyss.

[frosty berry]

On eternal

[azure forum]

What platform son

[blissful swan]

yea it happened to me just now

ill try on tha tlevel next

or leme check

[flint flame]

In game?

[blissful swan]

what is the castle level called

[timid moat]

On PC in TAG1 in the first level I accidentally dashed into a rounded edge and pressing Q to open the weapon wheel and I got sent into oblivion.
I hoped there would be a negative limit but I reached -50k and kept falling lol

[flint flame]

Describe the environment

[azure forum]

The switch version is a little buggy, but it is more on the random crashes than stuff like that in specific levels.

[flint flame]

I imagine castle might be sentinel prime??

[blissful swan]

the grass castle level

[flint flame]

Oh exultia

[frosty berry]

Yes

[blissful swan]

yea it happened to me there

and i didint even did anything special

and the worst thing is that may imply it can happen to me on difrent stages

[azure forum]

That was a bug before that happened very often In world spear, but I'm pretty sure it got fixed.

[blissful swan]

It dosent crash anymore

[flint flame]

So you’d need to get favorite codes, I believe you have to go to the boosters tab and go to favorite code and copy the string of text

[blissful swan]

it did crash when i bought it in 2021 but only twice

[azure forum]

In my experience it crashes way often than what I expected.

[blissful swan]

and that was once in the heaven level and in a cutscene

the other times there were just visual glitches

[frosty berry]

Okay i'll try tanks

[flint flame]

@frosty berry you can send me a screenshot if you need help in dms

[azure forum]

Other than that, it runs fine on switch.

[blissful swan]

uhh gameplay glitches and tartarus

[frosty berry]

I can't do it now i'll try after

[blissful swan]

thats what im calling getting stuck in something/in the void

[timid moat]

What are your tips, weapon upgrade order and suit upgrade order for an Ultra Nightmare run

[flint flame]

For weapons you can get away with a few precision bolt upgrades,but mostly save at least 9 weapon points for when you get the super shotgun as you can get the mastery by the end of the level. Then max out lock on (don’t do the mastery), then whatever you want really. For suit upgrades, try to save the ammo upgrades for when you’re low on ammo as getting an ammo upgrade restores you to full ammo and full chainsaw

I guess use chaingun shield also? It’s not really needed for base game but helps

[slow sigil]

you dont really need to upgrade PB at all, and stickies are quickly not used that often so it works out quite well

well yeah, pirating

[hot tree]

Pirating my brother, pirating

[azure oriole]

I got a copy but its on spanish version.

[timid moat]

...bruh
Come on the game is awesome, they added so much free stuff as well, just buy it or wait for a sale this Halloween / Christmas

[timid moat]

not used that often
War flashbacks to sticky filling 4 cacos in a row to avoid zoomies

[timid moat]

What about the preaotor suit tokens

[azure oriole]

good morning DoOm ChAt

[azure oriole]

Start with either Faster Dasher or Hot Swapper, and then focus on either Ice Bomb or Grenade Launcher, the rest is your choice.

Hey

dark lord specters are so annoying

Idk what that is but the name tells me I should hate it

dlc

Which one

2

Oh

I still have to 100% TAG1

[strange gale]

the existence of zips isn't that crazy considering the movement options you're allowed

[azure oriole]

How’s everyone doing today

[azure oriole]

good how about you?

[empty drum]

Just started playing doom eternal for the first time

I’m garbage

[modest hazel]

you will get into it soon

[solar sky]

Hi everyone!!!

[modest hazel]

i started playing eternal after playing all the chapters before it, and it was like so frenetic and incredible

im on my third run on nightmare

xD

[novel sierra]

Imagine pirating games

[hot tree]

You’ll get better I remember I used to only be able to play on easy now I’m well on my way to ultra nightmare ^^

[novel sierra]

I understand pirating movies but games, nah

[modest hazel]

exactly

[novel sierra]

I was struggling on hurt me plenty but now uv is easy mode

[empty drum]

I’m on hurt me plenty

[novel sierra]

You'll get better

[empty drum]

I’m a lot better now

I understand how to do things

[modest hazel]

after some time you will get better, you will understand basics, and then you learn to play at higher difficulties

[novel sierra]

I wouldn't make fun of people on easy mode

This game can beat you into a pulp

[modest hazel]

im trash at the first two dooms, but im improving at every run so

[novel sierra]

It's fine if you put on easy mode

[warped sage]

Have you ever experienced in this your life…where you initially suck at combat, but after a cup of coffee you found yourself dominating a whole Slayer Gate?

[novel sierra]

Same but without coffee

[warped sage]

Or was it just me “gitting gud”?

[novel sierra]

Nah you're getting gud

[warped sage]

I can see that.

[novel sierra]

It's called progress my friend

[warped sage]

Understandable.

[fast sage]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-eternal-chad-gigachad-gif-25081596

[novel sierra]

I remember the feeling of completing the sgn ml on uv and feeling like a god

[warped sage]

Maybe it’s also the coffee that boosted the spirit?

[novel sierra]

Or it just boosted your blood pressure

[warped sage]

Could be :p

[fast sage]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-aaa-scream-triggered-gif-16622446

[novel sierra]

Revanents

[modest hazel]

i completed the first doom for the first time on my xbox like 2 month ago, but now i bought them on steam with the discount

[fast sage]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-crazy-boris-jojo-dance-gif-16983771

[timid moat]

Do not save the chainsaw, literally spam it, spam it so much that every fodder demon hears an idling engine sound as soon as they see you.

Also Equipment Fiend immediately and start pressing the equipment keys as a piano.

Also each 2 glory kills you will get a Blood punch, make them taste your knuckles as well.

Final tip: get comfortable with the quick switch. The super shotgun and ballista that you will acquire later on will let you achieve your highest DPS with that mechanic

[flint flame]

Nope, not the highest

[azure oriole]

killai

pb + killai best combo

[empty drum]

I’m stuck at the part at the train station

I’ve killed every demon

Idk where to go

[burnt moss]

Into the train maybe? Are you on the first level?

[empty drum]

Yeah I found it

In the open elevator the is a wall u can climb

[gray rivet]

When you run the classic doom, do you worry about secrets? I want to play them but I'm wondering if I should look up the secrets to get better weps early

[empty drum]

Rip and tear until it is done

[modest hazel]

if i know them, go to get them, if not, idc so much

[gray rivet]

Keep moving around the stage, keep track of armor and ammo so you can replenish if needed. Don't forget to use grenades and blood punch

Also learn about the falter system

[modest hazel]

keep running and jumoing around, do not stay still, if you do, you will probably die

a punch that does more damage, with a largest range

[shadow vessel]

Never stop moving and jump all over the place, use combos and set your keybinds in comfortable places to pull them off as easily and fluid as possible, keep your distance

Use equipment while shooting

I also like to prioritize killing heavy demons first and then going for the super heavys when they're dead, I don't worry much about fodder

[modest hazel]

use a lot the flamethrower, its usefull and its gonna help you a lot

[shadow vessel]

Yes that too

Always set demons on fire before you glory kill or chainsaw them

[modest hazel]

yes

[modest hazel]

yes

[burnt moss]

Just read the tutorial pop-ups and you should know everything you need.

[wet relic]

is there gonna be any more doom twitch prime stuff

[azure oriole]

I just woke up from a dream where the Slayer had Daisy, his rabbit, as a cyborg. She was free roamed all over his ship and he occasionally would interact with her when exploring. Feeding her, observing her, and lightly petting her nose. I thought that was a cool dream to have.

[hot tree]

I doubt it games kinda at the end of its life cycle

[wet relic]

[rustic rampart]

Turn music up to 100% and you'll do fine

Or when driving to school

[timid moat]

And turn everything else slightly down, the first time around I could barely hear the music between all the voices and sound effects

[rustic rampart]

The most important step in turning up the music

[shadow vessel]

The music definitely helps you feel in the moment

Helps with keeping a rhythm with your combos too

[valid wren]

Skill is

not the music, you can have music in your games and be shit

[azure oriole]

🔴

[rustic rampart]

Skill is not the most important step in making the music louder

[timid moat]

Very important question: are there people here who would be willing to play private matches in order to unlock the Multiplayer achievements?

[valid wren]

🟣

??

[azure oriole]

what?

[valid wren]

Horde mode is way different than doom eternal??

[azure oriole]

that are 2 diffrent channels

what were you smoking?

[rustic rampart]

Eternal chat is all things eternal

Horde mode focuses on that specific mode

[azure oriole]

ok still that doesn't matter

[valid wren]

There are people who specifically talk about horde mode, its not like doom eternal

[modest hazel]

yes but its a different thing

[valid wren]

theres even a server specifically made for horde mode

[azure oriole]

and?

In EC you talk about all Eternal things.

In HMC you talk about HMC things.
Simple

[modest hazel]

like would you ask for help for the basics of the game in a moment that ppl are talking about horde?

[valid wren]

If the channel horde mode didnt exist, too many people would talk about horde mode

that way making the channel doom eternal smoother, because its doom eternal, not horde mode

making a channel for horde mode was and is the best idea

[rustic rampart]

I learned a new word today

[modest hazel]

calm down

[valid wren]

.

[gray rivet]

...

[modest hazel]

its not our fault if you dont understand smth at the first try

[modest hazel]

are you italian?

[rustic rampart]

Strike 1

(AKA no)

[modest hazel]

oh ok, fianchetto is an italian word, so i asked

[rustic rampart]

It's a chess term

[gray rivet]

🤌

[rustic rampart]

I used to play chess a lot

[modest hazel]

cool

[timid moat]

I am

[modest hazel]

che grande

[timid moat]

Visto, "reap and tear" facendo la pizza altro che

[modest hazel]

"rip and tear" l'impasto

[burnt moss]

No, it’s the rest of you who were wrong. In terms of categorization, horde mode is literally part of Doom Eternal so he asked a good question. Rather than explaining why horde mode gets a separate channel, y’all acted like he was the dumb one.

This happens way too much here

[gray rivet]

yea eggs overreacted, but they didnt react too kindly at first

been a while since i've seen any major toxicity here lmao(not saying the above is toxic)

voldeneye, i can imagine you as a server booster

[burnt moss]

That’s just because I’m a grown up haha. If this were a group of mature adults I wouldn’t stand out so much to you.

[timid moat]

Ahhh yes, nothing more grown up than saying you're a grown up, Mr. Three children in a trenchcoat

[burnt moss]

Well yesterday or the day before someone tried to correct my advice of not holding right click during PB swaps, and they conflated my intent (advising someone who was asking for help) as me telling them how THEY should play.

[modest hazel]

bro chill he's right

[burnt moss]

Please, Mr. Three Children in a Trenchcoat is my father

Call me…

[modest hazel]

tom bombadil

[burnt moss]

Tim

[modest hazel]

actually i thought that roboticeggs question was stupid but

[burnt moss]

Let’s talk about that

The pattern established by the channels is that each game gets a channel.

[modest hazel]

thinking about it, its a good question, and i treated him bad

like i was "mr. perfect" xD

[burnt moss]

The bigger question is why horde mode (which has all the same mechanics and features as TAG 2) gets a separate channel but I don’t see one for Battlemode, which has so many unique features and is multiplayer

[sacred dirge]

Battlemode got its own official server

Spicy demons

[azure oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/a-little-bit-spicy-black-guy-memes-spicy-madmemer-gif-22162904

[burnt moss]

Creepy

[azure oriole]

I would say something offtopic but this ain't general chat ):

[azure oriole]

Ups 😬

But in a serious 🧐 note, I wanted to share an opinion about doom eternal but it’s kind of a hot take

[burnt moss]

What is it?

[azure oriole]

It’s about the extreme reliance in the new abilities(like flamethrower, blood punch, etc) and the little ammo that the weapons have

I love doom eternal and i did get used to that

It’s just that when playing similar games like shadow warrior 3 and postal brain damaged that have a similar philosophy, those games had a lot of ammo and the mechanics (like shadow warrior 3 sword) were more like optional unlike doom eternal where you need to use them all the time

I don’t have a problem with doom eternal, it just seems a little strange

[gray rivet]

In eternal, they were trying to make it a combat loop, a dance. Also the ability to replenish yourself using enemies allows them to make the deamons more ferocious and powerful

[azure oriole]

I forgot about the loop

I think serious sacor video on doom eternal explains it better than me

[azure oriole]

Thanks for the answer, I think I just need to git gud

[slow sigil]

Kinda like 16 then

[slow sigil]

Well, if a mechanic is optional, then the mechanic wont be used a lot either. And why make near useless mechanics

[burnt moss]

I think it makes it more interesting. What we don’t want is the ability to just hold down fire through the whole campaign and kill the demons that way.

[slow sigil]

Though in eternal there should be more alternate ways to get your stuff. Just having to wait for it to recharge with no interaction is zzzzz-

[burnt moss]

They all have alternates. Even if it’s just pickups

[azure oriole]

I would say it’s an acquired taste

[gray rivet]

true, like blowing up barrels (with suit ability)

[slow sigil]

Yeah but that's also bit boring by now tbf

[gray rivet]

what could they do to make it more fun and interactive do you think?

[sturdy saffron]

doom

[azure oriole]

I don’t know why those criticism about doom eternal came to my mind, those complains sounded more for a newcomer and I play the game regularly

[gray rivet]

dhewm

[slow sigil]

Things like Equipment Fiend and full auto, but taken further
Glorykills is good though 👍

[azure oriole]

Dum

[sturdy saffron]

Dm

[slow sigil]

Well from what i'm reading it's not criticism, but just an observation

[sturdy saffron]

I recently started getting better at weapon combos, makes the gun alot more fun

[azure oriole]

Gun combo go brrr

[sturdy saffron]

[burnt moss]

That’s true

[gray rivet]

Doom Aeternal

[dreamy galleon]

how can i play the doom eternal campain on windows 11
it wont work

[shadow vessel]

Idk if u can

[crystal dagger]

Hi, are there any custom maps for Eternal?

[tribal silo]

there is a site for some

doometernalmods.com

[sacred dirge]

There's also a discord server. Doom eternal modding hub

[azure oriole]

[gray rivet]

[dreamy galleon]

how can i play the doom eternal campain on windows 11
it wont work

[azure oriole]

Windows 11 sucks

[gray rivet]

jeez you just told him straight up lel

[sacred dirge]

Why?

[prisma juniper]

near the end of nekravol part 2

[shadow vessel]

what

[gray rivet]

the maykr tech?

[azure oriole]

fuck this guy

fuck the dark lord bossfight

[shadow vessel]

yeah it sucks

[azure oriole]

ive died like 5 times on the 4th stage

just cuz his specters distract me and then he hits me and regenerates health

[gray rivet]

Boss fights are my least favorite part of this game

[sacred dirge]

Doom boss fights * although the cyber in 2016 is a blast

I actually enjoy the gladiator lol

[azure oriole]

the gladiator is fun because he's really diverse

the 5 stages of dark lord is just same verse same as the first

[sacred dirge]

It's the doooom dance

[azure oriole]

i suck at the doom dance

[gray rivet]

xd

[shadow vessel]

they suck tbh

all the bosses are not fun and just pretty annoying except gladiator and doom hunter which arent really enjoyable but arent not enjoyable

[slow sigil]

doom hunters are quite good

gladiator is ehhh

[shadow vessel]

I really wish they made good bossfights instead of a boss mixed with tons of other enemies running at you and doing more than the boss

[slow sigil]

they really just had the wrong mindset with bosses. eternal isnt made for 1v1s it's made for arena's, so make arena-like bosses (like the icon and doomhunters)

[slow sigil]

eternal isnt really made for a 1v1 though, a good target in an arena is better

[shadow vessel]

I would've liked a boss fight like 2016 cyberdemon

[worn crypt]

I think that they should allow us to chainsaw boss-demons (It would deal pitifull damage to them, but it would make them drop ammo, allowing us to have those 1v1 epic bossfights while still working well within games systems)

sorry for awful grammar and spelling mistakes

[slow sigil]

nah even then

[shadow vessel]

I also hate how all the bosses require gimmicky specific scenarios to damage them

its annoying

[worn crypt]

Khan Mykar?

[shadow vessel]

khan maykr is one of my least favorite boss fights in history

[worn crypt]

but as far as I remember, you can damage her whenever you want to

[azure oriole]

Fucking dark lord, that was piece of shit boss fight

[worn crypt]

Samur also has that (I mean, when he faces you head on instead of sending minions)

[slow sigil]

you can damage the khan whenever though
she's still a fucking pushover though

[slow sigil]

spams lock on
wins without effort

[worn crypt]

I don't think that dark lord was absolute atrocity, but it was such a limp ending for the slayer saga

It could've worked, but this fight was obviously rushed due to covid and all of that

Tho it was still pretty bad

[slow sigil]

yeah i dont see any way as to how the dark lord could work with how it currently is

[strange gale]

right.

the first boss(es), you can damage whenever you want. doom hunters fold even that early in the game.

if marauder is argued to be the second boss, then he dies to a single parry.

gladiator also has the green eye parry window, but he gives you a fuckton of long-ass punish windows for free. you can also meathook above and get several LOBs off even when he has his shield up.

kalibas folds to anything.

khan folds to literally anything. LOB spam is best here as you get rockets back instantly.

icon folds to anything. you can shoot him literally whenever.

the only two real gimmick bosses are in the dlcs.

cmon guys, it's 2022. no more takes like this.

[azure oriole]

I think Doom bosses are pretty alright.

[sacred dirge]

Alright is a good way to put it

[worn crypt]

Yeah

[compact lantern]

apparently the Dark Lord was supposed to be more intense but the team at ID Software couldn’t make much more than what they did due to covid restrictions and everyone having to work from home

[worn crypt]

Okay, I have a random question.
What wepon attachment would you want to change (not because its bad, but because you simply have a different idea on how it could worked)?

[burnt moss]

I want stickies to be an addition and not a replacement for the FA mod.

[compact lantern]

i think the weapon attachments are great i cant really think of any way to change them (quick sidenote but on ps5 when charging the destroyer beam for the ballista each third of the charge makes the trigger vibrate more aggressive)

[slow sigil]

i think all the automatic ones should be changed, and some of the other ones buffed

if you know what you're doing you can pretty much disgard half the weapon mods

[compact lantern]

I just beat TAG 2! 🥳🥳🥳

[burnt moss]

Here’s one: remote det should make the rocket split at a 90 degree angle in all directions and then detonate

[jaunty vapor]

I actually made a game demo that includes a theoretical take on Lock On to make it not as brain dead while also reducing it's effectiveness in the early game.

https://youtu.be/vtpsUelxsOA

[strange gale]

all the powerful mods are so functionally designed that you don't wanna use the weak shit cause none of it even looks cool. i feel like this is inescapable because of the core values the game is built around.

in any game with a style meter, you still use the weak shit (damage or utility wise) because all of it gives style points. the weak mods mostly don't even do anything unique, as most of their functions are either made obsolete or superseded by smart decisionmaking w/ dash & BP, or overall just smart usage of the core kit.

[jaunty vapor]

The tldr is make it only lock one rocket onto a target at a time base, and make right clicking lock onto targets rather than holding and staring at one target.

Then the "mastery" would let you lock onto the same target, basically giving you the current functionality but you'd need to right click 3 times on the enemy

It would basically give the player more "inputs" to do (which isn't a bad thing), and expands the usability of lock on to be more useful against squishier targets (like using lock on against Prowlers/Whiplashes)

It's not a perfect system, mostly because "unlocking" targets becomes a bit cumbersome. But the current implementation of Lock On is also kind of cumbersome anyways

[sacred dirge]

FA but the shells have mini explosive damage

[slow sigil]

nah make it triple shot, enforces the idea of swapping more

[jaunty vapor]

I'd say either triple shot, or if full auto is a must to keep, just give it ramping damage while firing up to a max of x2 damage.

[sacred dirge]

I like the idea of having it being more of a falter weapon

[jaunty vapor]

I've gone way into theoretical FA changes in the past

[sacred dirge]

And more damage of course

True haha

[jaunty vapor]

But I think the one change I never looked into but DO think would be the best change in the end would be changing FA to Charged Burst or something similar.

As luci said, it works better with swapping and such

[sacred dirge]

Charge would be a good trade off for a damage increase also

[slow sigil]

honestly i just dont like the full auto weapons because they just simply do not work with the whole idea of swapping weapons, something eternal wants to teach you

[jaunty vapor]

That's not the worst thing

[sacred dirge]

It never worked in 2016 either but they doubled down

[jaunty vapor]

Full Auto weapons are useful for players who don't have the care to learn higher end tech. Or at the very least, it's a learning tool. Quick swaps are obviously useful, but it's easier to see the impact it has when you have something to compare it to, a base or a control group, so to speak

I do think Eternal has a bit too many "fully automatic/single target focused" weapons for its own good, but having a few can be ok. And he'll Micro Missiles is usually regarded as the best simply cause of the ease of use for the gain, PLUS it theoretically has splash damage so it's not JUST a boring single target weapon

[strange gale]

i feel like they made the strong mods first and then slapped on all the other shit, because the next game had to be bigger than d16.

right tool for the job etc etc, but plasma against shields is actually pretty bad. etc.

[slow sigil]

not having full auto weapons means players dont have them as crutches, so they get in just a general swap mood faster
plus if they are actually good for swaps, then there would also be more swap options too

[gray rivet]

really interesting stuff

[burnt moss]

I actually like plasma for shields. It requires you to adjust your behavior in reaction to a different target

[strange gale]

the marketing talk suggests extremely functional design, but then the game is a little milquetoast with it, which is good. still a little too functional.

[jaunty vapor]

I dunno. From a game design view, I think fully automatic weapons, even as terrible as they can be in comparison, serve an important function in the long run. Just not for high end play.

But especially for beginners, and even through mid level play (whatever that is ) there's use to having the automatic weapons exist.

[burnt moss]

I actually like the time it takes to lock on. Far more realistic because the launcher’s computer has to analyze the borders of the target

[jaunty vapor]

That's not even getting into things such as accessibility and what not, which I'm no expert at so I kind of don't want to get into if that makes sense.

[strange gale]

...so does hand PB against single shieldguys, and feet stickies against groups of them.

[jaunty vapor]

I'm lukewarm to it. My only issue is how the lock can be lost by the slightest turn away from the enemy, rather than being "locked on" if that makes sense.

Also dual lock is just so slow and dumb to use

[burnt moss]

I don’t think you need to cater to noobs all that much. Comparing to Mortal Kombat 11 which has a higher skill floor for its combos, I think it’s ok to punish a noob for not swapping quickly enough.

[azure oriole]

See this would be cool if it wasn’t in a fast paced arena shooter against AI

[burnt moss]

Are you talking about after it’s fully locked?

[strange gale]

m2-m1-m2 exists which both speeds up the lock-on time and makes the lock-on permanent as long as the target exists and you hold m2. obviously not intended though.

[burnt moss]

2700 damage needs to cost time

[slow sigil]

but wouldnt it be better if they got into that switching mood faster, instead of having those weaponmods as basically crutches?

[jaunty vapor]

Correct, yeah. There's a small amount of time it stays locked but it's still awkward to use. I'm USED to it now, but lock on doesn't feel the most intuitive I'd say.

[azure oriole]

So obviously the easiest solution is to just remove it

[burnt moss]

Now I get what you mean. Yesterday I locked on a manc midair but the lock broke when I landed below him

[burnt moss]

Same with dblade and arba then? Remove anything with a charge up because it’s a fast paced game?

[jaunty vapor]

I'd liken fully automatic vs
Quick swapping to combos in something like P4 Arena, where you are given a "mash square combo" for each character, but using that combo that way rather than actually learning the combo causes... I forget what it's called, but the health you can regain by swapping.

Or is this DBZ Fighters? I dunno, one of them does it.

[strange gale]

👍 no invincibility, locking on, or automatic peashooters in next game

[azure oriole]

But D-Blade and Arbalest are multi target attacks

[strange gale]

one of these is not like the others. this doesn't work.

[jaunty vapor]

I still assert that Energy Shield would be ""fine"" although still really good, if it was NOT 360 degrees, and if blocking shots cost ammo.

The later part confuses the fuck outta me

[azure oriole]

Which they even managed to do in Battlemode

[burnt moss]

But your issue was the charge up time

[jaunty vapor]

"Hey Bob, how much ammo should our God Mode on a Stick cost?"
"Is it shooting anything?"
"Uh technically no but-"
"0 ammo"

[slow sigil]

basically

[azure oriole]

my issue is not just the charge up time

that’s just one of them

[burnt moss]

Idk your references. Are you just saying reward quickswapping with health?

[azure oriole]

however I don’t think automatics will be removed in the next title it’s just something that kinda has to exist

[slow sigil]

dblade is quite ok balanced but skewed toward strong, if you are in the air the charging is alright which puts some skill to using it but then it hits like a truck

[slow sigil]

it really does not have to, except for HC and such for fodder ofc

[azure oriole]

because you have to cater to the ITYTD crowd that doesn’t know how to swap

[strange gale]

as long as you have line of sight, it's guaranteed + safe 2700 dmg

[azure oriole]

“It doesn’t have to, except it does for this weapon” 🤨

you just contradicted yourself

[burnt moss]

Chaingun doesn’t use energy ammo though. How could you explain depletion of ballistic ammo to use an energy shield?

[jaunty vapor]

No I'm just comparing quick swapping vs. not quick swapping to basic combos for beginners vs. combos for experienced players.

For P4 Arena the generic mash square combo "works" but it comes with a penalty. Which technically isn't the same as quick swaps vs fully automatic unless you consider the DPS loss the same as lost health

[strange gale]

there doesn't need to be any logical, in-universe explanation. the priority is balancing.

[jaunty vapor]

Sticky Bombs using shotgun shells...?

[strange gale]

the game is already unrealistic in every aspect. you don't need lore for the shield using bullets to function.

[burnt moss]

Or do like Goldeneye and decrease enemy health on ITYTD

[jaunty vapor]

If we need to come up with in universe explanations for shit I need to know why sentinel Hammers can refill off glory kills and headshots but not Crucibles

[slow sigil]

and? it's better to nod them more towards swapping, and the non-automatic guns can still be used

i dont see any itytd players simply NOT using the ssg and ballista and rocket-

[azure oriole]

people are dumb and bad at video games

[burnt moss]

Touché. Still bothers me though.

[slow sigil]

point still stands, they can do it

[burnt moss]

I don’t actually remember the rules to hammer lol. I seem to never have hammers. How many gks? And you said headshots?

Hammer could make sense if you were charging it using a specific energy harvesting method to take argent from the demons.

But taking ammo from demons that don’t carry guns is stupid.

[slow sigil]

gameplay>lore

[burnt moss]

And lighting them on fire drops armor. Unless you meathook into chainsaw, in which case they’re not on fire anymore and no armor for you?

[azure oriole]

What are you guys talking about?

[strange gale]

when has making sense ever been the priority? walking into (and presumably shattering) vials full of fortnite healing juice wouldn't exactly heal mortal wounds, you'd just get shards of glass in your feet

walking into a medkit and magically going from 1hp to 100 doesn't make any sense either, you can't apply first aid in 16 milliseconds or whatever

[burnt moss]

My basis is Goldeneye. The only unrealistic mechanic it has is topping off a mag instead of discarding half a mag worth of ammo.

[slow sigil]

god i hate it when i'm playing the witcher 3 and a totally unrealistic dragon comes flying at me

[burnt moss]

Oh and that you can’t dual wield unless the dead guy was already dual wielding

[burnt moss]

Suspension of disbelief lets me be ok with dragons

Argent grenade in 2016 made sense.

[slow sigil]

and i'm ok with some sci-fi bullshit technology giving me bullets if i absorb energy, just like glory kills somehow giving me back energy

[burnt moss]

The difference is there is no explanation

[ancient night]

lore moment
argent energy extraction from defeated demons
it can materialise into what the slayer wants
the chainsaw makes ammo because the slayer wills the chainsaw to make ammo

[slow sigil]

huh

also, it's completely unrealistic i can carry all these weapons at once

[ancient night]

anyways
demon split in half and go boom with ammo thats fun

[gray rivet]

^

[burnt moss]

Doombutt

[burnt moss]

Except crucible blades and BFG charges apparently

[slow sigil]

refined argent

[ancient night]

well tbf bfg charges themselves are argent
so it would be like asking argent energy to make more argent energy
or wishing a genie for more wishes

[burnt moss]

So my suit has ammo manufacturing plant installed but not energy refinery?

[ancient night]

and crucible blade
is special macguffin jooce that destroys titans
🤷‍♂️

[burnt moss]

Why can’t argent give some BFG then? Not a lot.

[burnt moss]

Not argent?

[gray rivet]

lmfao

[ancient night]

well I remember 2016 actually did have a small chance of giving bfg ammo in some action
forgot what tbh, only played it once

[burnt moss]

I think it was a rune mastery

I played it 3 times

[slow sigil]

too small plus doomguy's powers doesnt do that

[ancient night]

I like to think the slayer is just choosing to limit himself to human weapons
and you as the player are complicit in playing chicken while saving the world

[slow sigil]

he isnt, what we see ingame is his canon powers

[azure oriole]

This is just a gameplay convention.

I wouldn't think too hard about it. It's the same as getting ammo from killing enemies in like, Resident Evil

[ancient night]

gameplay for a game no less
some questions are better left unanswered

[burnt moss]

My point is if I can take life force energy and turn it into rifle rounds, that takes more energy than just refining said energy.

[burnt moss]

Again my issue is coming from Goldeneye

[azure oriole]

The health thing is actually canon though. Slayer is revitalized by extracting Argent from his victims using the suit.

[burnt moss]

Where you pick up rifle ammo off a dead guy with a rifle

[burnt moss]

Yeah you’ll see above I praised the 2016 health grenade for that reason. There was an explanation

[jaunty vapor]

Every weapon reloads by lowering it to the ground and lifting it back up with 1 "click click" sound no matter the gun (even shotguns that have multiple shells).

Running diagonally is faster than running straight.

You can rocket boost.

[slow sigil]

different methods though, just "energy" isnt everything

if all games where realistic we would only have like 9 games in total

[jaunty vapor]

I also really like Goldeneye, I just think aspiring for realism is a somewhat lost cause for games.

[slow sigil]

if you get shot in the leg once by an imp you're crippled for the rest of the game

[ancient night]

Eternal would probably crumble under its weight if it tried reasonably explaining all of its mechanics in-universe
like
why the magical levitating platforms and rotating flame chains conveniently placed so the slayer could leave?

ok granted I'm not the biggest fan of that and did prefer 2016's atmosphere in the in-between segments

but it keeps the mind engaged at least a small bit

[slow sigil]

tfw you stomp on completely unrealistically behaving goombas in mario

[worn crypt]

I think that eternal benefits from not caring about realism.

[burnt moss]

Maybe the shells are loaded in quick load clips of some kind. But I’m ok with a bit of glossing over the details on a reload. [enter] I think strafing was just their working around limited buttons, so strafe is just run.[enter] Rocket boost?

[jaunty vapor]

Taking damage at all in Goldeneye moves your character/gives you speed, including of you shoot a rocket downward and take a little damage from it. Which... Arguably is 'realisitc", I imagine getting blown up would boost you

[burnt moss]

Suspension of disbelief. Instead of paying with an injury, you pay with health.

[ancient night]

why draw lines
just embrace all of the madness
or dismiss it 🤗

[slow sigil]

games are games, if they do something unrealistic, sure aslong as it serves the gameplau

[burnt moss]

Those chains were Mario-esque.

[ancient night]

seems weird to let so many other things pass but the line is drawn at chainsaws releasing ammo

[burnt moss]

Then don’t do sci-fi. Do magic. Sci-fi is attractive due in part to plausibility.

[burnt moss]

Ammo and armor both have super unrealistic mechanics

[azure oriole]

As much as I love explanations for every detail in entertainment products

[ancient night]

is that an issue?

[burnt moss]

I think realism is cool to a point.

[azure oriole]

I do understand that nothing can be realistic

[burnt moss]

Plenty can be realistic.

[azure oriole]

Of course

[jaunty vapor]

Wait Goldeneye literally had a Golden Gun that can kill ANYONE with 1 bullet except for that guy who comes back 3 times

[burnt moss]

Yeah fuck samedi

[jaunty vapor]

Technically it had 2 "golden guns" since there's also the Golden PP7, though thats only available with cheats technically.

[burnt moss]

In defense, the only level with the golden gun also had actual magic

[slow sigil]

just like doom

[jaunty vapor]

I am mostly busting balls btw I don't really have a major issue, and do think Goldeneye is generally """realistic""", as far as N64 games could be

[burnt moss]

Doom tried to explain itself and then got tired and said “chainsaw go brr”

[azure oriole]

The problem is not realisms is that We want everything to have logic, I think grant morrison explains it better

[ancient night]

From a gameplay standpoint how would you make a "realistic" or logical armour system that's as engaging as what the game currently has?

[jaunty vapor]

That's... Actually a better way to put it.

[jaunty vapor]

Arguably the demons all have cybernetic implants and flame belch "melts the armor off their skin"

[ancient night]

what if the praetor suit was just made out of seared demon flesh

[jaunty vapor]

That's not actually the case (imps, Archvile) but with the right enemy design it could have been a decent explanation

[jaunty vapor]

Fuck alright you got me XD

[burnt moss]

Maybe this is addressed, but maybe the suit harvests argent to replenish its armor reserves?

[ancient night]

next question would be: how would argent be segmented into armor and health since both are coming from.. argent? or would you just remove the armor system altogether and just add more health?

[burnt moss]

But I’m not ok with on-field ammo manufacturing. If drones can drop of weapon mods they can make ammo drops too

[slow sigil]

god imaging eternal but chainsaw is like an airdrop and you have to wait 50 seconds to get ammo

[burnt moss]

Well health replenishing is just the suit restoring your cells etc to full constitution. Armor is the suit absorbing damage for you. So I’d say make a single pickup that fills health and then armor.

[ancient night]

would that be functionally any different to just a bigger health bar?

if its coming from the same source, which it will most of the time

[burnt moss]

I was actually thinking ammo pickup points between fights. Just don’t run out of ammo or you’re gUNless haha

[burnt moss]

I imagine armor being more durable than health for one. Making it a crisis when armor runs out.

[slow sigil]

That would be hell for the noobs

[burnt moss]

Lower damage requirements for lower difficulties.

Same ammo load out so you can miss more and be ok.

[slow sigil]

Ok so energy turning into biological cells, super complex things made out of many MANY molocules is less realistic then it turning into some lead and gunpowder? Or MORE ENERGY for pr??

[slow sigil]

Oh god no, dont change enemy hp on difficulties

If you're trying to get combos you will need one for every difficulty, plus it's quite artificial

[strange gale]

4 separate damage spreadsheets

[slow sigil]

Damage changing is okay enough if not overkill, and the ai changes too

[strange gale]

difficulty-specific combos
BP loops no longer work outside NM

[burnt moss]

It’s seems easier to use energy to stimulate your own cellular structure into self-repair than to magically manifest and then configure elements into bullets with correct grain count etc.

[strange gale]

i got to about 30-40% through taras nabad w/ these rules (then softlocked), ammo pickup points without changing the damage scaling would be just fine https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/504714848194527236/1011368754686468107/unknown.png

[slow sigil]

It's not though. Making new cells is wayyyy complexer
You can't just pump pure energy into your cells and they just "work harder" you need to give them maaanny resources to build new ones

[burnt moss]

If energy can be converted to basic nutrients and proteins then you’re still using the human body to do all the synthesis and construction. With ammo, your suit is going many steps beyond that.

[burnt moss]

Maybe they work harder because the Marines got genetically modified.

Super plausible in Doom lore

[slow sigil]

Again, turning energy into NUTRIENTS AND PROTEINS is so much more complex then gunpowder and metal, like i think you just dont know how complex "simple" cells and such are

What if doomguys kidney filtered lead out of his body and his crotch got remade into a ammo factory

It's possible, davoth doesnt have balls either

[burnt moss]

I never said the suit creates cells. The whole point is that the body is doing what it’s already good at. It’s being fed materials, energy converted from one form to another.

[slow sigil]

Hows it being fed the materials though

[burnt moss]

Why wouldn’t BP work?

[burnt moss]

Blood injection.

[slow sigil]

From what

This all goes back to turning pure energy into matter, which can go into ammo too

[strange gale]

i specifically said "BP loops". as in stagger combos that include BP. on lower difficulties they'd just kill and you wouldn't get your BP back.

[burnt moss]

Your scenario places the task of assembly on the suit itself. I say the suit converts energy to matter and pumps it directly into the veins so the body can assemble it.

[slow sigil]

Why can't the suit, with the matter it made, make ammo though

[burnt moss]

Because of all of the steps involved in shaping the shell and the slug, separately making gun powder, pouring the gun powder into the shell at appropriate grain, shoving the slug into the shell, and then storing all of that. And that’s just heavy cannon ammo. Shotgun ammo would be similar. How tf you gonna assemble rockets in the suit?

I’m ok with plasma and bal getting ammo made by the suit.

[slow sigil]

Sci fi guns, sci fi bulletmaking

Also, how do we even get ammo in the guns, or even store it

[burnt moss]

My solution is that we use real-world logistics for Samuel to send a drone ahead to drop a few crates strategically around each level, at the start of the level. We physically trade in our empty mags for full in our kit when we get to the crate.

Yes the drone uses a portal, like we do.

[ancient night]

ok im back
basically I’m not gonna let logic and causality affect my gameplay experience

[burnt moss]

Not saying you have to

[slow sigil]

That would be a complete noob-disaster though this really is a bad solution to a non-existing problem

Plus ammo like that never really is well balanced... like it's either always too much or it's pretty much too little and missing just a few shots completely fucks you up then

[burnt moss]

Just as bad as OG Doom

[dusk copper]

Is there a sandbox mod for this game

[slow sigil]

In that case, why have thoze drones and why not just lay ammo lying aro-
Oh wait nvm having shotgun shells lying in hell is UnReAlIsTiC

[burnt moss]

Computers are smarter than you think. Accuracy x enemy hp could give you a good idea of how much ammo is needed. Build in a buffer for favoring different weapons.

[burnt moss]

Why are drones seen dropping off mods in 2016 then? That’s where I got the idea. That’s how the mods must get there in Eternal.

[slow sigil]

Cause they look cool, have a unique silhoute, and are clearly meant to be interected with making you pick up weaponmods

[burnt moss]

Ok compromise. Increase armed fodder/soldiers, and only they drop ammo, but only when gk/chainsawed

Although it would be cool to steal a cannon off a manc or a launcher off a rev haha

[slow sigil]

Ok better deal, dont let the hunt for making your games basically real life get in the way of game mechanics that exist there purely to have fun

[burnt moss]

Aw that’s not a compromise

[slow sigil]

If you want realism, play a milsim or something, not a game where you pull ammo out of your ass, have a railgun the size if your body, and fight sci fi demons from hell

[zealous elm]

just finished first play through of doom eternal was wondering if i wanted to just hop into a area with a shit tone of demons and just be able to fight (for fun no rewards needed ) what would i have to do

[slow sigil]

Turn on a master level

Isnt just an area but still

[strange gale]

they're more various alien species than abrahamic demons

the designs don't do a very good job at being demonic

yeah that makes sense lore wise, but it's still lame

[zealous elm]

tyy

[empty drum]

Yo at like 3 I was on the last minute of doom

I have been grinding

I am way better now

[violet willow]

i just cheesed the 30 second marauder challenge in taras nabad lets go

[fleet locust]

Hey guys I got a important question about the marauder

[digital jewel]

Yes?

[digital jewel]

Either go for Horde Mode, or a Master Level of your choice, or buy the Ancient Gods Part 1 DLC

Trust me, it's very worth it

[digital jewel]

Why would you even want realism in Doom though?

"Realism" in video games is so overrated

This is Doom, not Red Dead Redemption or something

Some games strive for more realism for a good reason, and others were never realistic to begin with, and that's a good thing

Doom doesn't need to be any more "realistic" than it is, it's about the fun you get out of it, and this isn't one of those games where the enjoyment you get is dependent on realism

[fleet locust]

Can you kill the marauder with the crucible and/or with the unmaker?

[digital jewel]

You can't use the Crucible on him unless he's in glory kill state, but at that point there's no point whatsoever in doing it anyway

You can use the Unmaykr on him after stunning him, as far as I know

And you can even kill him by shooting him with the BFG if your timing is right

If you really want to use a super weapon on him, your best bet is to send a BFG shot flying over his head, which will make him face the shot with his shield open

You'll be able to shoot his back all you want during that time

It can be pretty effective... But is it worth it? I wouldn't say so

[waxen field]

Actually the timing for stunning him then going to bfg for the 1 cycle is pretty easy, definitely the easiest/fastest 1 cycle though also the most expensive.

[digital jewel]

Thanks for letting me know, although I don't see why anyone would do that tbh lol

Who would waste their BFG on the Marauder?

[shadow vessel]

people who really hate him

[waxen field]

If there are two Marauders

[digital jewel]

I might do it on UN on the Taras Nabad Master Level when those two Marauders show up

But other than that, I don't see much of a point

[waxen field]

Well also if it’s something like mars core where there are infinitely respawning heavies along side him and the time challenges like in normal Taras Nabad if your not efficient at fighting him yet.

Additionally often times when used against a double marauder the bfg shot will do a ton of splash damage to the second marauder (not sure how consistent it is though).

[digital jewel]

Well, true, but anyone who knows how to fight him shouldn't have much of a problem

Two Marauders at once are pretty easy for me, unless I'm playing on Nightmare... But everyone's got to master the level they want to be on, one way or another

And I'm on my way there

Tbh, they're easy on Nightmare too, I was specifically referring to Taras Nabad

They're not even as problematic as all those fucking Imps and Prowlers that spawn in...

[burnt moss]

Why would you want high-def instead of giant pixels then? Realism or no, we enjoy immersion, which depends to an extent on believability (slightly different from realism)

[waxen field]

Yea but outside of the double marader in tag 1 I find it tedious and unfun. Which is why I like to save the bfg for these encounters.

[flint flame]

I bfg him, I don’t like fighting him

Breaks the flow of combat

[waxen field]

I think there are plenty of other shooters if you want immersion.

The point of Doom Eternal is for crack induced fps gameplay. The game is focused purely around this.

[digital jewel]

Realism and immersion aren't about graphics

Can you relate to the character you're playing as when you're plowing down dozens of innocent people on the sidewalk in GTA, where the law forgets you exist the moment you're out of their sight?

Not really

It's about the feeling and the mood the game sets you in while you're playing

Doom is about being an unstoppable beast, it makes you want to slit your annoying sibling's throat open

RDR2 makes you feel like you're part of a long-gone time period, and you're on a long journey

Metal Gear games show you the reality you're living in with a bit of fiction, they're both discreet and open about their message

And so on... Realism isn't what every game needs to strive for

[digital jewel]

I don't see how he does that

He's the entire game put into a single character

[waxen field]

One time I was listening to the soundtrack going 70 on the highway and I realized I forgot my car at home.

[fast sage]

[digital jewel]

One time I beat up a chubby classmate with Down's syndrome thinking he was a Mancubus

[fast sage]

.....

[digital jewel]

Heh, just kidding

[fast sage]

Hm

[digital jewel]

I blasted my dad off with a shotgun while he was out chopping firewood thinking he was the Marauder

[fast sage]

Bruh

[sacred dirge]

Someone's in a ban mood huh

[digital jewel]

Hey, c'mon, I'm just joking lol

[fast sage]

I punched my friend while wearing the doom eternal collector's edition helmet

[digital jewel]

I sure hope it wasn't a blood punch

[flint flame]

You explain to me how forcing a fight to slow to a halt so that you’re forced to deal with the marauder first encapsulates the doom eternal combat flow. His ai is ass, his shield forces you to wait in a arena shooter, like it doesn’t make sense

[digital jewel]

A halt? You kill him in 5 seconds

[flint flame]

Yeah with bfg

And duh, there’s combos for it, but the enemy itself doesn’t fit well into the roster

[waxen field]

I mean there are alot of fancy 1 cycle combos (even ignoring the bfg).

He also takes splash damage.

[digital jewel]

You literally just step back, he charges at you, and the game tests your skills and knowledge of quick-swapping, choosing appropriate weapons, fast reaction time and your usage of grenades

That IS the game

[flint flame]

Not really

“Knowledge of quick swapping” it’s two buttons

[digital jewel]

Yeah, say that to new players

[waxen field]

Actually you step back then he runs into your face to psych you out then he melees you.

[digital jewel]

New players aren't good at quick-swapping, I imagine most of them don't even understand the concept of it until later on

[digital jewel]

Yeah, that's what I meant, pretty much

[flint flame]

The problem is the enemy, not the players

[digital jewel]

The enemy makes you a more skilled player, I never blamed anything on the players

[azure oriole]

hello ec what i missed

[waxen field]

Also I forgot about the part where he dashes behind you before the melee.

[digital jewel]

You missed your daily dose of weird Marauder hate

[flint flame]

It ain’t weird, I’ve been playing since launch lmfao

[digital jewel]

He does that uncommonly, but that's obviously not the overall case

[azure oriole]

marauder deletes my braincells

[flint flame]

Ooga booga green light

[digital jewel]

He's like the ONLY demon in the game who isn't absolutely braindead

I don't see the deal

[flint flame]

I will proceed to do nothing until green light

[azure oriole]

nah tbh i just hate the whole green light thing

[digital jewel]

Okay, so is the Gladiator a bad enemy then?

[azure oriole]

💀

nope because its a proper boss fight

not a mini boss being spammed a million times over in levels

[digital jewel]

Red light, green light, right?

[azure oriole]

glad has atleast diffrent attacks/phases unlike ooga booga grin light

[digital jewel]

The problem isn't the "green light", it's about how it's executed, unless you're going to tell me that the Marauder is more annoying than the Dark Lord, lmao

[flint flame]

That IS the problem

[digital jewel]

I'd rather fight 10 Marauders than one Dark Lord fight

[waxen field]

Tbf you don’t have to hit the gladiator during the green light.

Personally I think he’s by far the best version of the green light gimmick. He’s honestly just a better designed, harder, more fun Dark Lord without the healing.

[digital jewel]

If that was the problem itself, you'd have something to say about the Gladiator as well

Also, it's pretty easy to notice on your first playthrough that the Marauder makes you a better player

[azure oriole]

glad is executed good, cuz it requires attention and can actually kill you. unlike ooga grin light with dog

[digital jewel]

You're better at fighting him each time he shows up, even if he kicks you in the balls the first 2-3 times he shows up

[azure oriole]

and atleast he was not abused to death in 2seconds

[waxen field]

Also he has more than 1 green light attack.

[azure oriole]

he has multiple

but you can grin light him just to stun him and deal smol dmg

[digital jewel]

You could say the same about the Dark Lord

[waxen field]

And the others with this gimmick don’t.

[digital jewel]

The problem is how often that type of enemy attacks

[azure oriole]

like most ppl say ""dark lord is bigger ooga grin light with dog""

[digital jewel]

Marauder will literally charge at you in less than 4 seconds

The Dark Lord is just a lot of waiting around

[flint flame]

He’s just all of the marauder’s downsides exacerbated

[digital jewel]

Also, who even deals with the Marauder until they've killed all the other enemies?

[azure oriole]

me

[digital jewel]

It's not like he stops the "flow of your fight" when you confront him after that "flow" has ended

[azure oriole]

baron is more dangerous than him

[flint flame]

The game does force you to fight him first

[digital jewel]

Barons are more boring than him if you ask me

[azure oriole]

but theyre more dangerous

[digital jewel]

No it doesn't??? LMAO

[azure oriole]

and atleast can be killed without ooga booga grin light hihi

[digital jewel]

The game forces you to fight him first in the Taras Nabad Master Level when two of them show up, that's it

He's dangerous to fight when there are other enemies around

Who the hell fights the Marauder first?

He's super easy to avoid anyway

[flint flame]

NO WAYYY

[digital jewel]

I guess bashing your shield against a Baron is more fun

[azure oriole]

who says i kill him with a shield

i grab my smol pistol from my pocket

[digital jewel]

I didn't say that, it's just kind of the easiest and probably the most efficient way to deal with him, so you're not given too many reasons to do it any differently

The Marauder though?

He's special

[azure oriole]

no

you literally have to throw a nade and just rocket him

how is that special

[digital jewel]

He is special in comparison to a lot of other enemies

Prowler? Big imp

Cyber Mancubus? Literally just the annoying version of the Mancubus

[azure oriole]

Cuber lancubus

[digital jewel]

Hoom Dunter

Wow I couldn't even get that right

[azure oriole]

archville

stone imp

doom hunter actually requires something something to kill him unlike maruader which you can abuse him in 3seconds

[shadow vessel]

tentacle

[azure oriole]

and also sentinel hammer and marauder coughs

[digital jewel]

I love the Doom Hunter

Also, you can abuse the Marauder in 3 seconds if you've mastered the game

And that's my point, for new players he's a skill checkpoint

[azure oriole]

still as anew or atleast a guy who competed doom atleast 2 times will still be able to kill him in 7/9seconds

[waxen field]

Freeze grenade, blood punch, ssg, ballista (if the ssg doesn’t finish off his sled), lock-on rockets, then it’ll be dead or staggered.

[azure oriole]

exactly, unlike marauder

[waxen field]

You can abuse the marauder it’s just harder.

[digital jewel]

That's an overexaggeration

It also depends on how passionate about the game that person is

I don't know what you think makes an enemy a good enemy

[flint flame]

And for old players he’s a boring wall

[digital jewel]

I mean, the Archville from Doom 2 isn't particularly fun to fucking fight either, lol

[azure oriole]

something that is actually unique and fun to fight

that makes you think like "hmm how will i kill this enemy and what rewards/risk will it give me"

[flint flame]

Well at least the classic archvile can be approached in multiple ways

[azure oriole]

screamers are good example for me

[flint flame]

I didn’t hit reply 😢

[sacred dirge]

Its fantastic. Ups the tension game play . Makes you change tactics. One of the best doom 2 monsters

[digital jewel]

Yes, he's a good enemy, but it's not like you're particularly happy that he shows up lol

[flint flame]

Doom 2 is hard because that’s how it was designed to be. Doom eternal focuses on power fantasy, but that immediately gets stopped with the marauder

[digital jewel]

Killing your evil equivalent isn't good enough?

[vale marsh]

Are you hating on the Marauder?

[fast lintel]

Howdy y’all!

[flint flame]

Equivalent would require it to be using multiple different means of attacks against me

[sacred dirge]

But I love it when it leaves

One of the best sounds

[flint flame]

I said bad thing about game, somebody stop me!!!

[azure oriole]

we are talking about how marauder is not fun to fight and that is actually not unique enemy. i dont see any any hate here

[digital jewel]

His attacks still vary more than those of other enemies

[azure oriole]

😱 😱

[digital jewel]

What do Imps have? Fireball, charged fireball, and a melee attack... Mancubi? Fireballs, floor attack thing

[azure oriole]

we saw that.

[vale marsh]

I can't conrol my enter button dude

[flint flame]

It was in response to your comment that he’s an evil equivalent

[vale marsh]

It has a mind of its own

[azure oriole]

you really dont check what you type before you press enter?

[waxen field]

Doom Eternal is also meant to be hard on the higher difficulties.

[azure oriole]

cuz before i press enter i check if my opinion/statement/argument is reasonable

[vale marsh]

I accidently pressed enter, I'm leaving this converstion because it seems impossiple to convice people otherwise nowadays

[azure oriole]

it aint impossible, you just enter with the wrong approach, without knowing what that convo is about. and instantly assume that ppl hate on your fav enemy

[digital jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-gif-26053519

The REAL Raiden.

[azure oriole]

you do realise that Ei (Raiden) Shogun from genshin. and raiden from mgr are completly 2 diffrent pepole ?

[twilit dune]

I finally got my plat on this game

soo frustrating

[digital jewel]

You do realize that I was joking, right? Lol

[azure oriole]

sadly I did not realised that you were joking.

[digital jewel]

Sad :(

[azure oriole]

but well anyway, i hate when ppl compare me to the raiden from mgr

and when i tell them that im the raiden from genshin most say ""genshin? more like genshit""

and then they start calling me some random slurs.

[digital jewel]

Lmao

I don't really care for Genshin, I just compare this Raiden to the one from MGR because it's become more of a funny meme in the MGR community

I've got so many memes of people shitting on the Raiden from Genshin just to give points to the MGR one

[azure oriole]

i saw alot of them

[digital jewel]

https://youtu.be/Yjs_l0_BbkE

[azure oriole]

ik right

[digital jewel]

I actually bought this game on PS3 just because of all the recent memes, lmao

I don't regret any of it

It's actually amazing

[azure oriole]

tho some of them still dont give a fuck that genshin and mgr are 2 frickin diffrent game genre etc etc

they just follow the toxic train of genshin fandom

[waxen field]

I’d buy the MGS collection but I can’t cause Konami.

Maybe I’ll have to sail the 7 seas.

[azure oriole]

its not like im hating on mgr fandom

[digital jewel]

Yeah, I get what you mean

Some people jump on the hate bandwagon

I mean, idk anything about Genshin so I can't hate on it, but some of the jokes people make about it are funny

[azure oriole]

basically idk if i can say it but i will

[viscid edge]

isnt there a unicorn skin if so how do you get it

[burnt moss]

Why is everyone so interested in lore while ignoring inconsistencies?

[waxen field]

It was a Twitch prime thing, it has to be bought now.

[digital jewel]

I've never seen anyone who is way too interested in the lore tbh

[azure oriole]

genshin is hated cuz of its gacha and fandom things and that characters there are underage when some of the community are not even adults, and also that everything in genshin is p2w which isnt

[viscid edge]

awh

[waxen field]

And the CCP

[burnt moss]

Have you seen the 200-page lore book pinned in this server?

[azure oriole]

CCP?

[digital jewel]

I just laugh at jokes about Genshin players being pedophiles and that's kinda it lol, but I never looked too deep into it

[digital jewel]

Chinese Communist Party

[digital jewel]

No, I mean, there are people who care but most people don't

Yeah, Samur, Olivia Pierce, Daisy, Argent D'Nur, Father, Maykrs, Night Sentinels, Crucible blades... Blah blah

I don't really care, personally

[waxen field]

Yep they’re very auth and Genshin is most certainly backdoored.

So it’s a bit of a privacy/security issue. If you care about that.

[digital jewel]

Also, Olivia Pierce has to be the worst "antagonist" ever

I've never seen anyone praise her for literally anything

Now that I think about it, I've hardly ever seen anyone remember her lol

Ty for watching over us, Father VEGA

[waxen field]

I swear she had more plot armor than your average Star Wars character.

[digital jewel]

I do, but yeah, I haven't really looked to deep into it

[digital jewel]

She had more plot armor than Micah's skull in RDR2

I'm still pissed that I can't blow his brains out until the very end

[waxen field]

Doom Slayer always just stands there while she’d monologue for a minute or so.

[errant valve]

Is doom slayer dead or is he like unconscious?

[azure oriole]

i would add my 2 cents about how it makes me mad that ppl that dont/didnt played genshin are so quick to judge ppl that play genshin are so bad and that they need to be eliminated blah blah blah

[azure oriole]

he sleep

[errant valve]

good

i want doom 3 more than anything

[digital jewel]

Doom 3?

You're new

[waxen field]

I mean I feel genshin players often hurt themselves more than anyone else, seeing that the game is a Casino when it comes to its characters.

Except unlike a Casino you’re guaranteed to loose rather than just likely.

[digital jewel]

I actually get what you mean, because sometimes people just blindly hate on certain things

[azure oriole]

like i might go abit offtopic but who cares ec at night is gen2. so i often get kicked by ppl seeing me having genshin related stuff on my profile

[digital jewel]

That's weird...

I've only ever seen jokes that people make about Genshin and it's fandom tbh

They seem like funny stereotypes, I've never actually seen anyone GENUINELY hate Genshin players lol

[waxen field]

Yea some people are petty

[azure oriole]

i also have countless ss of ppl judging me cuz of my nickname/genshin related things

[shadow vessel]

I dont see anything wrong with her

[shadow vessel]

Unconscious

[azure oriole]

team fortress 2 is diffrent

[waxen field]

She’s a bland character that you can’t kill early for no logical reason, foundry is a great example of this.

[digital jewel]

She's forgettable, boring, she has no relatable motives, we barely know a lot about her, and she's just there

[shadow vessel]

Shes not amazing, but I don't think shes bad

[digital jewel]

Also, she literally looks like the Doom Slayer could pick his teeth with her, so we can't even take her physical presence seriously

[shadow vessel]

Shes a lady who got some disease or whatever and she cant walk without the exoskeleton and makes a deal with the devil for power and a end for her pain

[azure oriole]

but well

[shadow vessel]

Yeah she does look really stupid

[azure oriole]

tf2 polish servers are weird

theyre toxic asf too

if i had to count how many times i got trashtalked reported kicked and focused then the anwser would be. too many

[digital jewel]

Specifically Polish? Lmao

[azure oriole]

fuck polish

worst servers tbh community bad

[digital jewel]

I like Poland

[azure oriole]

i am from poland i know what im talkin about

[digital jewel]

But idk about their TF2 community

Ohh, nice

[azure oriole]

cheater salty things etc etc kicked etc etc

sometimes reporting you for your username and for being too good

i have like a 800screenshots of ppl calling me cheater reporting me and kicking

some of my good friends left the tf2 community cuz of it toxic nature

[digital jewel]

Oh...

Yikes

Fortunately, I don't think I've ever had to experience the wrath of a genuinely toxic gaming community

Why were they calling you a cheater though?

That seems oddly specific

[azure oriole]

usual reasons

im too good at the video game

[robust spruce]

That’s the greatest compliment of gaming when you get called a cheater even tho your not

[azure oriole]

exactly

when in an addition to that you get kicked

[robust spruce]

Yeah lol

And which tf2 are you talking about

[azure oriole]

wdym

[robust spruce]

I know Team Fortess 2 and Titanfall 2

[azure oriole]

team fortress 2

[robust spruce]

Ok I haven’t played it but I heard it was good

[azure oriole]

its literally mind blowing that a blind person (me) is better than 25ppl

[robust spruce]

Nice

[digital jewel]

Honestly, the only game that I can personally say that I'm too good at is CoD World at War

I mean, I guess there are other games that I'm good at, but you know, I don't think that's up to me to say

Everyone's biased about themselves a little, either in a bad or a good way

But God damn, I'm good at World at War, lol

[azure oriole]

ive spend 9years of my life playing tf2

[robust spruce]

I am probably best at Halo Infinite right now

[digital jewel]

Now that's a dedication that's to be respected

[robust spruce]

Damn respect

[digital jewel]

Keep up at it, Kashim

[robust spruce]

I will just less time to play because of school now

[digital jewel]

Yeah, that sucks...

I could relate if I ever spent a minute of my life studying, lol

[azure oriole]

soon i will be a blind gamer

[robust spruce]

I don’t study either

[azure oriole]

pretty pog

[digital jewel]

Blind gamer?

[robust spruce]

Nice the more gamers the merrier

[azure oriole]

i cant see on my left eye + my right eye is almost done uncureable

[digital jewel]

Oh...

Uhh, are you alright, buddy?

[robust spruce]

Damn that just sucks

[azure oriole]

always

my sanity is getting ruined by tf2 community and by how ppl treat me

[robust spruce]

Well we’ll always be there for you

[digital jewel]

I'm sorry to hear that

[azure oriole]

dont even start with that

[digital jewel]

Also, sorry if I seemed like an asshole about that whole uhh Marauder deal earlier

[azure oriole]

its boring monolouge which i heard like 1000times

[digital jewel]

Don't worry, I'm not an asshole, I'm just a highly opinionated loudmouth who words his thoughts in a more aggressive manner, I guess...

[azure oriole]

everyone can share their own perspective

[digital jewel]

Yeah, true

[azure oriole]

i have respect for ppl who dont have respect for me.

[digital jewel]

Well yeah, but I actually understand what you mean

That can turn out to be a mistake...

You might want to be careful with that

[azure oriole]

if i could go into your dms and share my story there cuz here its kinda bad

mods could say its innapropriate which it will be

and i dont want to get banned

[digital jewel]

Yeah, I understand

Sure, let's take this to DMs, I'm up for listening

[unique ingot]

Random question: What do you guys think is the hardest ML?

[azure oriole]

ws ml

[digital jewel]

Honestly, I haven't thought much about it, I don't have an answer

[robust spruce]

I don’t know what ML even means

[unique ingot]

*master level

[robust spruce]

Never mind I am dumb

[waxen field]

Trollas Nobad

[robust spruce]

I thought about it for a second then it clicked

[unique ingot]

Haha yeah, that Locked Archvile fight

[robust spruce]

I still haven’t played a master level because I am lazy

[unique ingot]

yeah I really wish they added an option to like

Have checkpoints and stuff, it doesn't have to be constant like the Original Campaign

but sometimes it can be rly exhausting playing through one

[waxen field]

Tbh I still haven’t done WS, Taras Nabad was stupid hard and the final fight softlocked after being stuck on it for hours.

[unique ingot]

oh damn that's sad 😦

World Aspear is like a great one if you want a Challanenge i guess

[robust spruce]

Yeah like horde mode is exhausting too the first time I played it at the end I was just on auto pilot not even thinking

[unique ingot]

I freaking suck at platforming haha

[waxen field]

I probably coulda reloaded checkpoint but as far as I was concerned I beat the level. Since it softlocked after I killed the last enemy.

[waxen field]

At least it has checkpoints

[unique ingot]

Oh that sucks

[solar inlet]

hi chat

[digital jewel]

Hey

[unique ingot]

Hello

[solar inlet]

how we doing

[robust spruce]

Yeah

[digital jewel]

Honestly, I find the Super Gore Nest harder than Taras Nabad tbh

[unique ingot]

SGN On Nightmare... That First fight is pretty toough

[digital jewel]

I'm doing as well as usual, so yeah, not great, wbu?

[digital jewel]

Honestly, for me it's not even that first one

[solar inlet]

Little under but oh well that’s life

[unique ingot]

Ig the 5x Cyber Mancubus fight can also be a bit problematic

and that ending with like 4 tyrants and 3 archviles

[robust spruce]

I am doing decent I do have to deal with people tho so that’s a minus

[solar inlet]

not a people person eh?

[digital jewel]

Why?

[waxen field]

How? I can see myself beating SGN on nightmare without superweapons but the archvile room seems impossible without them.

Not even to mention the coin room or 1st double marauder fight.

[robust spruce]

Nope I do have a small handful of people I like tho

[solar inlet]

sometimes being alone with your thoughts can be a little overwhelming but it can sometimes help too

[unique ingot]

Yeah same... Taras Nabad is a killer

[digital jewel]

Sure, but up to about that double Marauder room, Taras Nabad is pretty okay... The SGN though? That's more or less harder all over the board

[robust spruce]

SGN was hard on my regular in the first place

[digital jewel]

Oh, I get that...

[viscid edge]

what skins can you get without paying

[waxen field]

Yea but the fights in that level give you actual space outside of the tyrant/doom hunter fight and the acid area.

Also it doesn’t force you to fight buffed enemies outside of some fodder.

[azure forum]

SGN is so much easier than TN or WS.

[viscid edge]

need that unicorn skin frfr

[digital jewel]

I'm not much of an over-thinker myself but, being alone with your thoughts just reminds you of your problems

[robust spruce]

I think that was limited

[azure oriole]

it was. now its 4 bucks

[robust spruce]

Oh I didn’t know

[viscid edge]

I mean its worth it

[azure oriole]

no

[digital jewel]

I'm a special kind of idiot, I literally ALWAYS do very well on my first attempt, and then I always do worse then do worse when I know what I'm getting myself into

[robust spruce]

Bro same with any game for me

[unique ingot]

I can relate

[viscid edge]

unicorn skin for 4 quid
delectable

[solar inlet]

At least I’m always self reflecting. I just accept what I can’t control

[waxen field]

Yea but they do the 99¢ thing so it’s basically $5

[robust spruce]

A small price to pay to rip and tear in style

[unique ingot]

Cultist Base was quite easy even on NM

[digital jewel]

Yeah, that's a good thing to live by. I'm here if you'd like to talk about anything though.

[unique ingot]

But that weird Caco+Pain Elemental and Revenant fight

[solar inlet]

anyway this is eternal chat-
i’ll be on my way and thanks a lot @digital jewel

[digital jewel]

What beats talking to a complete ignorant stranger on Discord about your problem? Best thing ever, from my experience

No joke though, it's helped me personally

[unique ingot]

Idk why, I just suck at it.

[waxen field]

Yea way to many skins are just ugly pallet swaps of the default armor.

Still better than the weapons which are purely pallet swaps. Not to mention there’s still no skins for the unmaykr.

[unique ingot]

speaking about the unmakyr

Do you guys use it often?

[robust spruce]

Yeah I usually use the Demonic Slayer skin

[unique ingot]

I don't see how you use it efficently

[robust spruce]

I don’t have it in the base but in the dlc’s yeah

[waxen field]

They nerfed the infinite ammo it got with haste and spirit buffed demons I swear are basically immune to it.

It feels like they go out of their way to make it trash.

[unique ingot]

I don't understand why it even uses the BFG ammo

It just completely negates the gun's useage

[dense shore]

i need help
i bought the year one pass thinking it would include the campaign (it doesnt)
and i can't buy the campaign on its own
should i just refund it and buy an edition with the campaign?

[waxen field]

Because three super weapons with separate ammo pools would be broken.

[unique ingot]

Ik there are I guess certain situations? But those are really rare even then.

[unique ingot]

Yeah. but make it use Cells and make it consume more ammo!

[digital jewel]

Unless I'm playing on Ultra-Nightmare, I always use it over the BFG

Sure, it sucks ass, but that's the point... It feels far less cheaty

[unique ingot]

Balance it to also nerf the damage a bit

[digital jewel]

Nerf?? The Unmaykr is underpowered, they need to buff it

[robust spruce]

The BFG is meant for big groups and it is used for strong enemies

[waxen field]

It’d probably be more balanced if they just buffed the damage and reduced the spread.

Having it use cells would be super broken and make both the plasma rifle and ballista underpowered.

[unique ingot]

Yeah Ik haha if it uses BFG ammo, but if it uses cells instead

[digital jewel]

I wouldn't mind that it shares ammo with the BFG if it dealt wayyyy more damage than it does

Or consumed less cells than it does, at a slower rate, I mean

[unique ingot]

Yeah I agree.

[unique ingot]

I mean, if they also change some stuff like a low damage rate and consuming a lot of cells, it probably won't replace them.

IDK those are just my thoughts, feel free to disagree.

[azure oriole]

I do use Unmaykr

I try to use Unmaykr and only the Unmaykr instead of the BFG.

[waxen field]

Yea but having three weapons using the same ammo would be very hard to balance. I think it would just benefit the game as a whole if it received just a generic buff.

Additionally give it infinite ammo again with haste. I feel that was one of the many awful changes in update 5.

[unique ingot]

Yeah you are right haha, good point.

[azure oriole]

I don't think Unmaykr needs a buff. BFG needs a nerf.

[unique ingot]

Plus Overdrive doesn't appear that many times I think, only like 6 times in the entire campaign? (+DLCs)

[shell radish]

is the unmaykr better at killing spirit demons than bfg?

[unique ingot]

I think so

It also saves a bit more ammo if I'm correct

[waxen field]

I think the bfg is alright, maybe remove a few bfg cells especially in tag 2. Other than that it’s fine.

[shell radish]

last arena of final sin has 2 cells lol

[azure oriole]

I just think the BFG is too OP. It's a braindead weapon. I prefer the OG BFG and how you still needed to use your brain for it to do efficient damage.

[pine crow]

I rarely use the BFG nowadays, and refuse to spend the bullets for the unmakyr cus of how mediocre it is

[azure forum]

The BFG is a free shot to clear arenas. Eventually it doesnt become "alright" amymore

[digital jewel]

Same

I don't want a BFG nerf because it's saving my ass on UN

While it still can... Lol

[waxen field]

I emptied like 40 cells into the spirit buffed pain elemental in the samur fight and hit it with the microwave beam. It was at full health!

Whereas two direct bfg shots nearly killed it.

[unique ingot]

I think ofc, some enemies have specific damage reductions towards weapons. Enemies don't have the same resistance.

The MeatBall might be an exception, as in it's resistance is huge.

[pine crow]

I think a nerf for the BFG would be a good idea initially, but it is supposed to be an op weapon after all

[unique ingot]

Youtuber decino has a nice video about Spirit buffs