classic-doom-maps-mods

[glacial skiff]

Just set it to 8px and have fun

Everyone makes straight lines and circles. Be a rebel

[crisp dragon]

my god

looks really fun and interesting tho

unlike tnt's huge levels

[glacial skiff]

The thing that makes the map fun is that 90% of it is optional

There is a clear path forward, but you can go hunting for secrets and goodies at your discretion (and, since this is an RPG, experience points I suppose)

[crisp dragon]

that's probably one of the more important parts tbh, having to backtrack in such a huge level is a pain

once again, tnt is another example

[flat pebble]

I see I'm not the only person working on a large map, but the focus of mine is more deathmatch with brutal doom/russian overkill because why not pick 2 of the craziest mods(copy for each one)

[glacial skiff]

I am totally infatuated with concept pieces like E2M5, where you can play the same map 3 or 4 times and find a different route to the end each time

Or maps that have like, 3 different red keys each with a totally different chain of encounters and cool setpieces to get there

[flat pebble]

I will say that levels of that style are fun, especially since the route isn't always linear.

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, and of course purely one-way maps can be just as fun obviously, that's just the kick I'm on right now

[limber monolith]

Can someone help with sound blocking in Ultimate Doom Builder? I can't seem to get "block sound" to do anything.

I'm trying to confine sound made in this rectangle but it's not working

[glacial skiff]

"Block sound" is misleading

In reality, the way it works is that two lines with that flag are required to "block sound"

In other words, if a sound only needs to cross one flagged line to enter a sector, then sound will enter that sector

(You can check this if you have the Sound Propagation plugin for DB; see image for its icon)

[limber monolith]

Thanks

[red zinc]

anyone up to help me with my limit removing megawad? need 1 good builder.

been building it for over a year solo now. really need a hand

[glacial skiff]

🤷

[flat pebble]

Script question:

How do I spawn in an item/monster at a specific set of cords? (using an "else" statement to note)
Same with summoning projectiles.(Confused with both^)

[limber monolith]

Is there any way to make a single linedef surround an area (so that I can put a trigger on it that will only be activateable once?)

[trail steeple]

this looks actually great

wallpaper material here

[bold forge]

Your ability to create cool architecture with limited usage of orthogonal or geometric patterns is awesome

Reminds me of a less detailed mechadon

[wispy relic]

You usually have things spawn in at "Map Spot" things you've placed on the map. You put a map spot where you want the item or monster to spawn in, then give that spot a new tag/thing ID. When you use a command like "SpawnSpot", you put in the map spot's thing ID as one of its arguments, and that's where the item or monster will appear

Looking at the page for the "Spawn" command, it notes that the X, Y, and Z coordinates it needs are "fixed-point numbers".
This can be a pain to deal with if (like me) you've never heard of "fixed-point numbers" before. Basically, to actually use a map coordinate like "64, 16" for the X and Y values, you either have to:
A. give them both a decimal point when putting them in, so "64.0, 16.0"
B. multiply them by 65,536 (2 to the 16th power), so "4,194,304, 1,048,576"

Personally, I just use map spots with the "SpawnSpot" command in my scripting. It's much less of a headache for me, especially if I decide to shift the spawn location around.

[red zinc]

eye candy

2 weeks of work

[glacial skiff]

From a distance it kind of reminds me of Containment Area for some reason

[distant yacht]

Looks good but I would get sooo lost and confused.

[red zinc]

Because it is. Remade some rooms from Doom and mashed it into a map.

It's about 75% done

[crisp dragon]

He makes the path linear

The thing that makes the map fun is that 90% of it is optional

[night pond]

i think i might download doom builder and make my first map today

[wispy relic]

Nice

[wispy relic]

unfortunately super detailed maps like the one you shared earlier aren't my style 😔

[flat pebble]

yeah I figure it out earlier today before I saw your message, didn't know that "map spot" was a entity(thing) and was confused by the wiki. Thanks for the help anyways^!

[distant terrace]

question, for making a texture pack for classic doom WAD making, suppose i would have original art created by people I know IRL, then digitized

-- what do i need to think of? should i just go for random utility (blinking lights, switches, faces, cages, etc)

i keep seeing the same stuff reused but there is no shortage of unique ways to create assets for community use

something like the pentagram demon face on green marble is very specific, for example

but what about hand painted -> digitized textures? if there are ideas/requests, i can look into that

basically what I'm asking is: what building blocks do level makers need?

[glacial skiff]

This depends on what sort of aesthetic or time and place your mod takes place in

Is it traditional Doom - techbases, hell, and inbetween? Or are you making something different?

A good place to start is to consider convenience of editing - it is quite convenient to have, for example, several variations of the same texture which breaks up neatly into 32 unit vertical layers, and then just using a handful of lines to express that layering idea

[distant terrace]

OK, will get back to you on this!!

thanks 😄

my partner who does artist stuff,
gray -- white -- purple -- black -- gold -- yellow

[glacial skiff]

Are you working with your own palette? If so, is it entirely from scratch, based on Doom's, etc

[distant terrace]

could be nice to put some creative new textures online as a gift to the community

ah!
had not considered source ports

i always assume gzdoom (mb)

[glacial skiff]

Ah alright, so I assume then you are not concerned with the 6 bit/8 bit limitations of vanilla/software ports

[distant terrace]

but if people would like new switch/wall/object textures to work with, i would like to make some stuff available. Eviternity, BTSX, Adv. of Square etc have convinced me of how much that adds

cohesive aesthetic. and i'm seeing so much creative drawing/painting going on around me

and then I see what map makers do with texture packs

so it's inspiration both ways

[distant terrace]

yeah, it's mainly about twisting the existing imagery

i'm not super concerned about having ultra high scale textures, just something interesting that fits in with the established style. where you go... hey, that's memorable

or try out new color combinations. i really liked that about eviternity

VERY colorful

[glacial skiff]

A contribution for you in that regard

From my IWAD; designed to be used specifically with an 8 bit palette that has a special property about the way it was made, so you may need to mess with the deep dark part of the gradient

[crisp dragon]

how the hell are you supposed to play this

?????

did you playtest these maps to make sure they were possible?

also why does it seem like it's just the same map copy & pasted but with just hordes of monsters(It's not, I played more maps but they're still terrible)

that you're forced to just run past

and this is GZDoom only compatible? This can easily be done in Boom tbh

these maps aren't fucking possible

I don't want to be harsh, but this is essentially a terry wad

or good enough to be in maximum doom

4th level is impossible

the damaging floor kills you instantly

wtf

its like NUTS but easier, and less laggy

Ah yes "NUTS but easier", it's literally impossible without godmode and cheats

I barely passed the first level

You didn't even give a BFG to fight off the horde

I had to pistol john romero to death

The rooms are also unnecessarily tall

And they look kinda bland

[crisp dragon]

They are not

Damaging floor of 4th level kills you instantly

You can't jump over the demons in the second level

3rd level isn't possible with all the spider masterminds blocking the exit

Well you need to fight them when you can't run past them

😑

Also, what's the point of slaughter hordes when you don't fight them in the first place

I can prove to you that your levels are nigh-impossible to impossible

So you beat them all from a pistol start, no cheats no mods?

Ah yes, the "trust me" argument

How the hell do you beat the fourth level then

When the damaging floor kills you instantly

Key word here: instantly

... alright so it's without vanilla compatability

Next time specify what compatibility you're supposed to play on

As well as sourceport required to play

And that still doesn't address the 3rd level, how do you run past the spider masterminds at the exit

Don't tell me you have to archvile jump on them somehow and run on them

4th level also has some sort of green wall at the end of the lava river, how are you supposed to get past that

Hell, how do you even get past all the cyberdemons you've put in that tight hallway too

There's barely any wiggle room

So you've advertised this as a slaughtermap

But it's just all parkour

😑

[glacial skiff]

Can't be done in some source ports

Remember to say what port you designed your level for

[crisp dragon]

So basically what was the point of saying this is easier than nuts

Nuts doesn't lag in some sourceports at all

So it doesn't matter, even if you have a garbo laptop

Boom-based sourceports can run it at 60+ FPS

[glacial skiff]

See it's interesting, because Doom's game logic is very much single-threaded and it's very hard to get it to take advantage of many cores on modern CPUs

Funny how we're still talking about nuts.wad lagging people out over 20 years later

[crisp dragon]

Probably because they play on GZDoom with a mid range setup

Even with GLES, NUTS still lags for me on GZDoom

Not in DSDA-Doom, though

Completely smooth and stable FPS throughout

[glacial skiff]

I don't lag on nuts.wad at all, but I can definitely lag my own machine out with like 40 or 50 rain spawners on that open-air island type map I was showing

[crisp dragon]

"Easier than NUTS" implies difficulty

Not how easy it is to run on the monsters and finish the level

Which was my gripe

[glacial skiff]

My issue with such a thing is that there's no real way to make using enemies as bridges consistent

[crisp dragon]

This ^

They're just gonna move everywhere

Unless they're in an enclosed space

[glacial skiff]

I've seen it tried before and in concept it's kinda neat and different, but you cannot 100% promise the player that one caco won't float a little higher than the others and decide to become a wall rather than a bridge

[crisp dragon]

N00BA could've just said his map was parkour-based

[glacial skiff]

Right

[safe steppe]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-36gm0W-VKmfVVCGe1HTVABepUXshxjY

Great playlist of tutorials for mapping

[flat pebble]

Another scripting question: Is it it possible to summon a thing("entity") relative to another entities position. (let's say a cactodemon or imp- my idea is essentially have all monsters shoot rockets at the player because why not torture everyone)

[haughty flower]

I've been messing with doom builder and made this map, I want to know how it is as my first level

[crisp dragon]

alright gonna review soon

[haughty flower]

ok thanks

[crisp dragon]

wait what sourceport

also what IWAD

I'm just gonna assume GZDoom and Doom II

hm

I think it's pretty good for a first level

decoration is pretty good, although the level is pretty linear

the fights are decent, although I do think you give the player too much ammo

[runic breach]

tips on making levels that are less linear?

[crisp dragon]

I suppose you can make wide open spaces that branch off with different paths

That's the most general way to do so

[haughty flower]

yes thats the one

thank you so much for the feedback

ill try to improve my future levels with your information

[runic breach]

i see, thanks

[wispy relic]

This sounds more like changing the monsters themselves, rather than running a script on the map

But yes, in DECORATE (or even DeHackEd) making monsters fire rockets instead of (or in addition to) their normal attacks is definitely possible

[wispy relic]

The easiest way to do this in a way that's telegraphed to the player is by using the keycards and locked doors to block progression

If you want to avoid linearity, make sure to place the keycard in a spot away from its respective locked door(s)

[runic breach]

thank you too

[wispy relic]

for a very simple example, the player starts at the green arrow and needs to get the red key at the star on the map before moving through the locked door to the west to continue

and there's an optional room to the north of their starting point

[runic breach]

i am learning

[wispy relic]

And of course, you can make it more complex and involved than this

But yeah, making the player backtrack is one of the fundamentals of Doom map design

[wispy relic]

It's just a diagram

I grabbed a color and shape different from what I used for the red key for illustrative purposes

[thick raft]

anyone know any good doom maps for project brutality

[slate turtle]

Dang

10/10

[alpine dagger]

maybe using keys for multiple doors to get different benefits/weapons/powerups?

[glacial skiff]

are you actually adding the resources to the game

[crisp dragon]

hm, not bad, and yeah some textures are misaligned

difficulty is actually pretty easy, nothing close to Final Doom

[trail steeple]

which iwad

i will go with doom2

if that's your first map i'd say it's okay

but i will give you some advice:
-try making the level less monotonous by using more textures and different floor heights,but don't mash together textures that don't work with each other
-your level lacks any ammo and medkits,add some,but not too many
-try making the level less blocky,but don't automatically go for gothic '99-tier linedef count
-i like some new doomguy sprites,but they go out of the hud,not every sprite is replaced + they are a bit too small,try fixing that
-calling such an easy wad "final doom hard" is a huge overexaggeration,try playing plutonia to know what "final doom-tier hard" means

• i don't see the reason why you used the hexen format for this wad,better stick to regular doom format + if your wad would be gzdoom-only,it would be in the UDMF format,that has alot of cool features,go check it out
  -go watch some mapping tutorials,they are very helpful
  -align your textures to avoid stuff like very wide doors

[glacial skiff]

Try making a single room so you can study an individual element of good gameplay first

Don't worry about the grid, specific textures or anything like that: just think about generally what you want, i.e. "Doom E1M2 secret computer area", and plot a few sectors. See how your room turns out, add some decorations

"Do I want to focus on vertical oriented combat or flat? Would it be cool to use pinkies this way?" It's questions like that which will eventually get you on the way to making interesting levels

For a total beginner I would focus just on one of these at a time until you have a complete room - "complete" of course meaning whatever you think it means at that time

To speak to the point about Hexen format - I recommend limiting your options somewhat. Try designing using the "Doom 2 (Doom format)" configuration. This will ensure first of all that you use only wall textures that are meant to be wall textures and you'll eventually get a feel for what looks right in that context

When I was new, ZDoom was still on version 1.22 and even then I seem to recall dealing with option paralysis. I can't imagine how bad it would be for someone to experience that but more extreme by trying to start on UDMF for example

[unkempt plaza]

this is how you record demos with prboom plus right?

[runic breach]

pretty sure that's how

[glacial skiff]

You would also ideally add -warp X, with map number you want to start on

[crisp dragon]

ye

[unkempt plaza]

It dont work

[agile shoal]

it will record the demo into the folder your cmd is currently in

if you dont know how to use the command line, try using a launcher

[unkempt plaza]

thanks man it worked!!

[bright owl]

Is there a way to copy and paste a group of things? I’m trying to make a map with a lot of enemies and it’s taking a long time to place them all

[agile shoal]

Probably depends on editor

[bright owl]

Doom Builder

[agile shoal]

ctrl-c / ctrl-v works on slade

[bright owl]

It works

Thanks for the help

[royal wave]

https://twitter.com/kbeevans/status/1490858463638945792?s=20&t=_rLDoq1HTinjf10KX_6Irg

kevy (@kbeevans)

WIP Player sprites for #Gardevoir #Doom mod. Ignore the non-existent arms, thats so I don't have to keep redrawing the bodies when I need new arm poses.

Also ignore the height. He's not an alpha voir.

Twitter · Feb 8, 2022, 1:22 AM

[full agate]

hey guys is there any cool levels i can play with project brutality 3.0? normal campaign becomes a bit boring even with mods at some point

[wispy relic]

You can always grab vanilla level sets like Memento Mori and Scythe

[limber monolith]

I'm having trouble playing sounds in a script. Why doesn't this work?
ActivatorSound("dspldeth", 100);

[wispy relic]

Try using "PlaySound" instead https://zdoom.org/wiki/PlaySound

[limber monolith]

I tried that first. No luck

[royal wave]

ActivatorSound plays that sound at the position of the calling actor. So if there's no actor calling the script, it doesn't activate

[limber monolith]

If the player called the script by crossing a linedef, would the player be the actor?

[severe swift]

same

[unkempt plaza]

Monty python and the holy grail

[flat pebble]

I have yet another scripting question:

I'm looking to spawn in an enemy (for this example lets say cactodemon) that has the friendly property, off a simple enter script. I know that there are actor properties but I'm unsure of how one goes about using/applying them in a script or even spawning an enemy with said property.

[severe swift]

idk what you are talking about but in gzdoom there is a command which summons demons that help you

[glacial skiff]

summonfriend specifically

@flat pebble Thing_Hate(...); is the way this was done for a long time, not sure if it's exactly what you want

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Thing_Hate

Since you're referring to an enter script, hatee can be zero to refer to whatever player entered

[flat pebble]

So when you place a thing in doom builder and go to edit said thing, for monsters there is the option to make it friendly.(Won't attack player-but rather other monsters)

If running a script how do you make monsters spawned via a script have that ability.

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Actor_flags
I found this article which implies it could be done, but yet not 100% how you include these in the script/apply them to an actor

thing hate does somewhat cover what I'm going for but not 100% as it's confined to only certain tid's that it agro's too

Overall if there's someway to use actor flags in scripts, that's what I'm after (I'll definitely be using thing_hate, thank you for that^)

[limber monolith]

Spawn it and then add SetActorFlag(tid, friendly, 1)

[severe swift]

i finally learnt how to make a switch

[trail steeple]

smh could've watched a tutorial

[trail steeple]

have some tutorials
https://youtu.be/EucWtn__O8Q
https://youtu.be/6arDCzmhONY

[severe swift]

yeah i watched a tutorial

[flat pebble]

ahh so that's the command for it, thank you^!

[limber monolith]

np

[trail steeple]

nah

UDB is easier + allows for more stuff

[haughty flower]

this was from 2016 how the hell did you manage to find this message + you can do some pretty cool stuff with snapmap, maybe not to the degree of classic doom modding though + they weren't even talking about classic doom they were talking about doom 2016 mapping lol

oh and plus ratio

[trail steeple]

if he was talking about doom 2016 then why did he do this in the classic doom channel

ratio + L

[crisp dragon]

this is in #classic-doom-maps-mods

ratio + L

[haughty flower]

a while ago, this was a general modding channel, you didn't have to post just classic doom mods here, it wasn't until 2021 where it was split up like how it is now + severe lack of female companions

[haughty flower]

see post above + ratio x2

[crisp dragon]

Saw the context

So eh

[flat pebble]

how do you change the direction a line is facing?

[shadow trail]

press the f key while selecting the line

[flat pebble]

ty^!,

I keep forgetting what key it is lol

[safe steppe]

The way I learned to remember it: it's F for Flip

[flat pebble]

bro

dumb bot deleted it, anyways

Script 3 (void)
{//Former Human Spawning System
if(MonsterPoints >=1);
{
MonsterPoints = MonsterPoints - 1;
Thing_spawnFacing(1,4,false,3);
Thing_Hate(3,10,6);
ThrustThing(0,5,0,3);
}

running the following script via button, but for some reason the value goes into the negatives, ignore the greater than/equal to statement. Any reason for why?
Figured it out, the ; at the end of the if statement 🤦

[whole blade]

Uh, no. Youn don't put ; after an if statement. You're missing the second }

[flat pebble]

I skipped the bracket when I copied it here(accidently) , it's in my script

[whole blade]

Regardless, you don't put a ; after an if statement

[flat pebble]

What is meant by "line ID" in an action such as Line_setBlocking

[glacial skiff]

Exactly what it says; these are set typically with line special 121

[wispy relic]

You know how sectors can have tags? This is the same thing but for lines

In UDMF this is an innate property of lines you can set directly. In Doom in Hexen format, you have to set line IDs via special 121 like Diema mentioned

So line_setblocking here will allow you to make a line that loses its impassable status during a map, for example. In conjunction with other actions in a script, this could be used to make a de-activateable forcefield (among other things)

[severe swift]

can i use that line ID to make something like in stardate 20x7 map 31 or 32 where there is a floor that makes different damage?

[whole blade]

line id is udmf only thing, but you can change floor damage values via a script (stardate is boom)

[severe swift]

ok

[haughty flower]

Excuse me I am having troubles making maps in Slade because of something I don't understand. Completely my fault but was wondering if I could get some help

[safe steppe]

Tell us the problem

[haughty flower]

Oh thank you, I'm having trouble with the doors

I am obviously a rookie Doom mapper

[safe steppe]

What's the issue exactly?

are they not activating at all or are they working incorrectly

[haughty flower]

Whenever I activate then the ceiling lowers with them

[safe steppe]

Can you take a screenshot or alternatively send the wad file?

[safe steppe]

are the door's sector tag and the door's linedef tag the same?

[haughty flower]

Where do I find the linedef tag

I sound like an idiot but this is day two of my mapping adventure

[safe steppe]

When you double click a line it will show you the tag, door's sectors (the square that makes up the door) and linedefs (the two lines on both sides of the door should have the same tag

This is the lines tag

[haughty flower]

Yeah they have the same tag

[safe steppe]

and this is the sector

[safe steppe]

is the tag 0 or is it a different number?

[haughty flower]

It's 0

[safe steppe]

You have to give it a new unique number, if you have a linedef set to tag 0 all sectors on the map will be affected

In slade and UDB you can just click "New tag"

[safe steppe]

Also I would really recommend watching tutorials, it's difficult to use a map editor without prior experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EucWtn__O8Q&list=PL-36gm0W-VKmfVVCGe1HTVABepUXshxjY

[glacial skiff]

Door-specific actions (specifically, D1/DR) work differently and do not require sector tags

Whichever sector is on the back side of the line with a D1/DR special will be affected

[torpid plover]

POOGERS.wad is LIVE ON THE INTERNET: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127451-poogerswad/

[crisp dragon]

👀 👀 👀

[distant terrace]

been playing a hell of a lot of megawads lately and i gotta say, base ganymede e3? pretty cool stuff. i like those levels

very classic doom!

soo i've been toying around with getting into gzdoom modding as a hobby project, always been meaning to but you know, real life. so what i'm thinking is: crusader no remorse/regret mod

now this could be a way too big project but i'd like to approach it in stages. who knows, i might burn out or lose interest. first step would be a finaldoomer style weapons mod.

you know, bullets go dakka, laser go pew pew, plasma go VOOMF, etc

then maybe a texture pack to add some flavor, cause oldskool texture pack making is something i always wanted to get into

i always thought the crusader no remorse/no regret world (which is a shared universe with wing commander and system shock btw!) would be so ripe for a classic doom style game

been doing some preliminary work, would have to think about how to stage a project like this (again IRL stuff) but i gotta say after so many years, may as well just go ahead and do it

don't expect anything from me but i'd just like some input/ideas

more guns is always fun

i got slade installed and been browsing assets, got a feel for how stuff is structured.

[haughty flower]

Welcome in the doom modding community

[distant terrace]

yeah, that's what i LOVE about it

just watched a video from someone with a super laid back accent doing "ok here's how you make weapon sprites in photoshop for doom guns"

UV-9 ultraviolet cannon, BFG equivalent.

turns things into skeletons real nice

no remorse has a lot of rifle vs pistol versions, personal energy shields etc

so the weapon loadout would be a bit hard to nail down.

you got your normal shotty, auto shotty, laser pistol/laser rifle. then batteries would be a thing. you see how the lore and gameplay expands.

fun fact, crusader games had actual telefragging

put disrupter on a telepad, someone steps onto it and splat

i actually softlocked my game at one point, because i dropped the telepad disrupter ON a telepad i needed to complete the mission (was out of inventory space)

never managed to finish No Regret because of that

[trail steeple]

pro tip:

use UDB instead of the built-in map editor in slade3

[safe steppe]

Reminder:
Not an option for anyone who doesn't have windows

[trail steeple]

and this sucks

[safe steppe]

UDB is much better imo but it's not available to everyone

Although they are working on porting it to linux and Mac, I tried it on linux and it was unusable and filled with bugs

Thankfully I have both windows and linux on my pc

R.I.P mac users tho

[trail steeple]

hope they'll fix it up

[distant terrace]

thanks, this is the 2nd time someone mentioned this in here! must be something to it

[trail steeple]

UDB is basically the most advanced doom map editor that allows you to make maps in alot of formats

[distant terrace]

good to know!!

[safe steppe]

UDB for mapping, Slade for modding

[crisp dragon]

^ this unless you don't have windows

And again we have doom to blame for catapulting windows into the consumer market as the number 1 operating system 😜

[safe steppe]

The saddest part is that the original source code for doom wasn't even for windows

[flat pebble]

The irony in it all was that later microsoft would acquire bethesda(and hence doom).

[distant terrace]

i know right

[glacial skiff]

Pro tip: use whatever editor you like and can feel comfortable creating with

Do not listen to anyone who says "my editor is the better one"

DB technically does not correctly load certain completely vanilla compatible maps and even lacks features that other editors do have, as trivial as it might seem on first glance

[keen dagger]

So I Just started on a new map going in with NO theme or style in mind and now the first room has this UAC Mars Base HQ Feel to it, and I'm sensing the feeling that I should really keep going keeping with this "UAC Mars HQ" Theme now that I have seemed to have established it's theme courtesy of the first room.

[royal wave]

https://twitter.com/kbeevans/status/1493359797147627520?s=20&t=v7PG1JQy0bw-wUOVXFiGow

kevy (@kbeevans)

Further work on the player sprites for my #Gardevoir #Doom mod! Still more to do, plus gotta clothe him so it matches my OC. https://t.co/FXPZRzIlg7

▶ Play video

Twitter · Feb 14, 2022, 11:01 PM

[flat pebble]

Anyone know what the spawn number/name to use for "MBF Helper dog" is? Can't seem to find it on spawn numbers page.

[severe swift]

does doom accept all script languages?

[wispy relic]

As far as I'm aware, the only scripting languages I've seen used in Doom and its descendants has been ACS (and derivatives thereof). UDB is giving me the option to write/compile scripts in JavaScript in addition to various versions of ACS, but I have little idea how that would work (does it just mean ZSCRIPT-type format?)

Not to mention, this is all moot if you're not building levels in a format that supports scripting to begin with. Vanilla/limit-removing type maps do not support scripting, nor do Boom type maps (though there are contrived ways to make "scripts" in Boom via conveyor belts and such, stuff that's not possible in the original engine)

Zdoom and its family of ports support ACS, so if you want conventional scripting available to you, that's what you'll have to make your maps for.

[whole blade]

UDB scripting is for executing actions in the editor. It doesn't have any impact on what's in the map at run time

As far as stuff that works in GZDoom: ACS, zscript, Decorate are the primary 3

[wispy relic]

so you're saying this here has nothing to do with the script compiler when you're making a map?

[whole blade]

i have no idea what that is

but UDB recently added editor scripts which are java (iirc)

fulfills the same function as lua scripting in DBX

[wispy relic]

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Classes:MBFHelperDog If you look at the wiki page for the dog, you'll see there's no spawn number actually defined. In order to use the dogs with SpawnID commands, you'll need to make a new dog class that has a spawn ID defined.

Alternatively, you can use ACS commands via a script, which will allow you to use spawn commands that aren't limited to the list of Spawn ID numbers, and instead spawn actors based on their name

[severe swift]

THANKS

[flat pebble]

gotcha, thanks!^

[bright owl]

So, I want to compile my next several maps into one WAD. What do I need to do so I can do that when they’re ready?

[glacial skiff]

You can "save map into" in practically all modern versions of Doom Builder iirc

[safe steppe]

You can use the file -> 'save map into' option in UDB, or you can download slade and combine all the maps from there

[bright owl]

Okay thanks. One other thing. I want to find themed textures online but Realm667 doesn’t have what I’m looking for. Where are some other sites worth checking?

[glacial skiff]

Do be aware of course that actually developing a significant series of levels with all maps saved into one wad can certainly slow down the saving process

Google Images and GIMP 🙂

[bright owl]

Okay. Do I need to do anything to them for Doombuilder to take them?

[glacial skiff]

It depends. What source port, if any, do you intend your mod for

[bright owl]

Boom/ZDoom

[glacial skiff]

You will need to convert the assets into Doom patches and/or Doom flats, then add them between the appropriate markers (and then add your new patches into a texture directory)

[bright owl]

How do I do that?

[safe steppe]

https://youtu.be/huYF2KiilV4

[bright owl]

Oh thanks

[safe steppe]

Great 2 minute video

[glacial skiff]

An important note: Flats do not go between FF_START and FF_END

They go between FF_START and F_END

F_START and F_END will also not work

[safe steppe]

This was confusing af first time I used slade

[glacial skiff]

I think that tricks everybody first time around

It's such a not-obvious engine thing

[bright owl]

Thanks. That’s good to know. In that case I’ll use default textures for now and go back to that when it’s time to do Slade editing

[glacial skiff]

Probably also worth mention, I think Boom does not support >128 tall textures?

I could easily be wrong on that, but check into that before you do any artwork that might need to go beyond that limit

[bright owl]

Okay

[haughty flower]

guys hear me out
Hideous Destructor X Brutal DOOM

[brittle wing]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127497-doom-the-summoning-demo-first-level/?tab=comments#comment-2455123
hey, anyone wanna check out this map I made?

if there are any errors dm me

[silent saddle]

might make a half-assed recreation of uac atlantica facility

is there a way to go beyond 3000 render distance

in doom builder 2 that is

[whole blade]

get ultimate doombuilder c:

i think the limit is 64k

[silent saddle]

ok

could you provide a link?

also does it support 3d platforms and such

[whole blade]

i can indeed

https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/ultimatedoombuilder/

UDB has 3dfloor mode built in

[silent saddle]

awesome

thanks

[whole blade]

np

[haughty flower]

This is about to be a good run

[haughty flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805569228173475841/943290281736949810/unknown.png

Terminator Mayhem: liquid metal edition has been updated to V1.1
updatelog 1.1

-improved shotgun sprites
-fixed player sprites
-Memetic Polly Alloy BFG now consumes more ammo and give armor instead of health
-ADDED gooy pain sounds to the t-1000
it can be played on TSPG, the file name is TMLM1.1
it can be downloaded here:
https://allfearthesentinel.net/zandronum/download.php?file=tmlm1.1.wad

[bright owl]

How do I mark secrets in Doombuilder?

[trail steeple]

what format

[bright owl]

Nevermind figured it out

Thanks anyway

[distant terrace]

yo i was looking for something like this, thanks chief!

[bright owl]

I’m having trouble getting secrets to work properly. How should I set them up?

[safe steppe]

Depends on the map format, but usually on doom/boom you give a secret special effect on a sector

iirc it's special type 9 for doom/boom format and (1000??) For GZDoom

[whole blade]

udmf is 1024

for secrets

(yay bit flags)

[bright owl]

Okay so it’s a sector in Boom, not a linedef? Thanks for the clarification!

[haughty flower]

Guys i found some wads on yt but idk what is their name does someone know tho?

[whole blade]

standard for all formats is a sector. you can make it an individual thing in udmf, and you can have something that activates via a script to trigger the secret message (and count on the automap)

[crisp dragon]

Second is sunlust

Lemme find the first one

[haughty flower]

kthx i play more of mods then mega wads

the first one google threw me freedoom but the chaingun sprite was diffrent

[crisp dragon]

Ah just as I thought

[crisp dragon]

Thr first wad is Valiant

[haughty flower]

alright tysm

[crisp dragon]

Valiant and Sunlust

Although I have to warn you, Sunlust is extremely hard

Ultra-Violence is "reserved for DOOM Gods" according to the creator, Ribbiks

[haughty flower]

thats ok my desk is strong and im kinda calm

[haughty flower]

ok but
what if I just
IDDQD
IDFA

[haughty flower]

idkfa better

[haughty flower]

idfa better + idkfa mid + ratio + you fell off

i just realised im playing sunlust with fast monsters

thats what i call hell

i feel like that if romero woke up one day and HE made plutonia with in mind that he wants to be asshole then we would get sunlust

[haughty flower]

dear coffeeguy i cannot afford another desk im in debt help me

[crisp dragon]

Ribbiks is notorious for making difficult mapsets

If you want something slightly easier, try Crumpets

I think it's one of his easier mapsets although it's still hard

I recommend hurt me plenty first before ultra violence

[haughty flower]

im gonna try it later for now i just wanna get atleast the 2nd level now im at 10 hp and there is a arachnatron camping the whole room 😄

[crisp dragon]

That's what ribbiks says anyway, that his maps are more balanced for hurt me plenty or hey not too rough

[haughty flower]

guys can prboom+ run mega wads or mods?

[fallen panther]

Pr boom can't run any mods or wads that would need any special features from gz doom but it can run any mods or megawads that would be compatible with boom

[haughty flower]

kk

[fallen panther]

In more basic terms prboom can't run brutal doom but it can run boiled doom aka brutal doom for dos

[haughty flower]

and does it do something better then gz cuz im seeing everyone talking about pr

[fallen panther]

Prboom does performance better for more intensive maps and higher monster counts

Honestly that's about it if you're looking to mod heavily

[haughty flower]

its okay zdl can take care of that

[fallen panther]

No it can't zdl is just a launcher it doesn't control performance of a map

[haughty flower]

yea but it can switch between like source ports wads mods etc.

[fallen panther]

True so why not just have both

That's what I do with delta

[haughty flower]

but idk why but discord thinks that zdl is doom 3

how do i turn off mouse movement in prboom +

[fallen panther]

Not sure I've only used it on delta with a controller

Gougaru might know

[haughty flower]

nvm my geometry nerdy ass solved it had to turn vertical sens to lowestr

[haughty flower]

wtf my camera is bouncing around in prb +

[fallen panther]

You mean the head Bob?

That's normal in more vanillaish doom but you can turn it off

[haughty flower]

i mean im turning 1 way and then doomguy bounces for a sec the other way

and its messing with my aim alot

[fallen panther]

Odd that's definitely not normal but I'm not enough of an expert in the port to answer that question

Head Bob i know head Bob I can't stand I can't play an fps game that has it and doesn't let you turn it off

Because it makes me sick

[haughty flower]

anyways where do i turn it off

[fallen panther]

I'll need to find the option again its enabled on my device i just need to find the toggle

[crisp dragon]

actually you should probably use PrBoom+UM or DSDA-Doom over PrBoom+

both forks are way better than the outdated PrB+

[bright owl]

What happens if a level has multiple Romero heads?

Specifically does the level end when the first head dies, or when they’re all dead?

[crisp dragon]

I think when 1 head dies, the entire level ends

[bright owl]

Okay thanks

That makes sense.

[solid wolf]

https://youtu.be/GoOWSv7NRZE

[wispy relic]

(g)zdoom is basically an entirely different game engine from the original doom.
It's not just that it's more advanced, but the game physics and behavior in ZDoom is different from the original doom (even if the experience is mostly the same for the majority of players)

Some prefer the original physics and behavior of Doom over how ZDoom handles it, and that's not something that can really be changed unfortunately

[haughty flower]

Alr il check both later

[haughty flower]

I realised that ive been playing sunlust uv on fast monsters for like 3 maps

Btw coffee guy thx prboom+um is much better then prboom+

[crisp dragon]

np :)

if you're interested, you could also try DSDA-Doom

it's a port mostly for speedrunners, but it also has some nifty stuff for casual people too

my favorite is probably the rewind button that allows you to go back in time

[haughty flower]

Did doctor who made that port?

[bright owl]

Is there a precedent for Deathmatch maps with demons running around? I think a Baron of Hell in the middle of a relatively small map fighting any players who get too close could be a fun way to add that extra bit of chaos

[bold forge]

That's the Huy Pham method of deathmatch mapping

the caveat is that you don't know the map is meant for deathmatch

[bright owl]

I mean like having at most 5 demons total just as a map hazard to add another wrinkle to fights in that area

[whole blade]

There's a map in R!Zone that has a cyber demon in the middle. Stupidly fun, especially on nightmare

[crisp dragon]

👀 👀 👀

[haughty flower]

Doom eternal for poor people

[fallen panther]

I'd argue it's more versatile than the real thing

[trail steeple]

that's quite good

i like the flames

[edgy mesa]

Hello

Is there an monster that just shoots?

Like MG's

[austere quest]

yes

in classic doom there is atleast 3 monsters that just shoot you

i dont know about the newer games i havent played em

[bright owl]

In classic Doom there are 4 hitscan monsters, zombie soldier, zombie sergeant (shotgunner), the chaingunner (Doom 2 only), and the Spider Mastermind

The first 3 are generally reserved for hallway levels, and the mastermind is Doom 1’s final boss

In modern Doom those enemies have plasma bolt attacks in order to not have hitscan attacks

Also the Archvile is hitscan kinda but they have a long windup before they actually attack

[austere quest]

kool

[ashen shuttle]

Hello, mate! I am a beginner who seeking for guidance. Can someone tell me what should I learn if I wanna make a mod like PB(custom weapon and custom monster)? Someone told me about Slade, zscript or something

I guess this is about classic doom moding?

[upbeat path]

learn ZSCRIPT and Slade, yes

good luck with ZScript because it's mostly not documented, you can also try learning DECORATE first

[wispy relic]

If you're just compiling premade monsters and weapons like ones on Realm667, then you need Slade and a basic grasp on reading DECORATE

If you're wanting to go more in depth and make serious modifications to them, or want to use the sprites to create essentially a new weapon/monster from the ground up, then it'll get more complex

Adding to what Arlene mentioned, ZSCRIPT is more advanced and gives more freedom than DECORATE, but on the other hand it's set up more as a proper coding language, so it's more complex to learn if you're not used to programming at all

DECORATE otoh has a huge online resource available through the ZDoom Wiki https://zdoom.org/wiki/Main_Page, and speaking from experience you can get very far just using what's there and by looking at other people's DECORATE files to make your own stuff

one last thing to keep in mind - Zandronum (the more popular method of doing multiplayer ZDoom) doesn't support ZSCRIPT and likely will not for a very, very long time. if you want to make a mod that's multiplayer-compatible, you pretty much have to use DECORATE.

[lusty dove]

if i wanted to try to make a doom map for the first time, what would be a good program to use

[wispy relic]

If you're using Windows, Ultimate DoomBuilder is the premiere mapping program

If you're on Mac or Linux, SLADE's built-in map editor is probably your best option

(unless UDB is supported on Mac and I'm just unaware)

[lusty dove]

ok

im on windows so il try ultimate doombuilder

and this is probably a super noob question, but doom 2 runs on doom source ports right? or does it need its own version

[wispy relic]

If you buy doom 2 off of Steam, you can run it through the included DOSBox (a hassle) or Unity port.

There are other ports available though. Chocolate Doom and Crispy Doom are fairly accurate to the original experience, and there’s GZDoom for more advanced gameplay stuff.

[lusty dove]

yeah, i have both wads from eternal, i was just making sure i could run the doom 2 one using the same software

[wispy relic]

Ah ye, the WAD is the important part for using source ports

[lusty dove]

no but what im asking is can i run doom and doom 2 using the same source port

or does doom 2 have its own special one

[wispy relic]

Yes, you can use the same port for both

Every modern port can at least run Doom, Doom 2, TNT, and Plutonia from the same EXE.
GZDoom and some ports can also run doom-based games like Heretic, Hexen, Strife, and Chex Quest with no issue

For Crispy and Chocolate Doom specifically, there is a second "setup" exe included that allows you to specify which WAD you're playing if you put multiple in the same folder (they otherwise default to Doom 2 if they detect it iirc)
GZDoom on the other hand will ask you on startup each time which WAD you want to load:

[lusty dove]

cool

can i have both wads in the folder at once or do i have to change them out

oh, lmao i didnt read the rest of your message

[wispy relic]

You can have them both in the same folder yeah

like I was saying though for Crispy and Chocolate doom you'll have to use the Setup exe if you don't want to just play Doom 2

"Warp" will let you choose which IWAD to play

[trail steeple]

you forget the wolfenstein ss

[bright owl]

Oh right him too

Though he’s basically just a weaker chaingunner

[trail steeple]

https://youtu.be/wM7X8wS4PPE here's a good tutorial for DECORATE-coded monsters that are far easier to add

note:
some custom monsters on Realm667 have their DECORATE file renamed to "OLDCODE" or something like that,and to make it work just rename that file to DECORATE and do the same stuff you would do with any other DECORATE monster

[edgy mesa]

I just want an monster that just shoots, and doesnt move, tryna make an MG bunker that can see from far away

[bright owl]

So like a gun turret?

[safe steppe]

You can use a chaingunner but set his speed to 0

[wispy relic]

there are a couple of enemies like this on Realm 667; there's a Tesla Coil and a Gem Turret

[lusty dove]

do maps made with the ultimate doom maker need to be played by gzdoom?

[safe steppe]

Not a necessity, there are multiple map formats, and each source port supports a different number of them

Most common formats are: Doom format, Boom format, MBF, and UDMF.

When creating a new map in Ultimate Doom Builder it lets you choose between these

If doom format is chosen then the map will run on all source ports

[agile gyro]

i'm making a doom deathmatch map

i'll call it Doom-Match

[edgy mesa]

Ye

With firerate of an MG42

[bright owl]

There’s actually an easy way to achieve that effect without using custom monsters.

All you have to do is take a hitscanner like the chaingunner and box him in with monster blocking linedefs really tightly

He won’t be able to leave the box area, so he’ll just shoot in place anytime a player is in range

If you don’t want the turret to be hitscan, take a projectile monster and do the same thing

As for seeing a long way, demons can see pretty far by default. 1,024 map units IIRC

If you want it raining down on the player over a long distance, it probably shouldn’t be hitscan to keep from frustrating the player too much. Hitscan is very good at making players rage if you use it too much or in ways that are hard to counter

For a rapidfire turret use a chaingunner for hitscan or an Arachnotron for projectiles

[lusty dove]

which game configuration do i select in ultimate doom builder if i want to build a map for vanilla doom 1

[bright owl]

Ultimate Doom. It’s just Doom 1 + TFC

[lusty dove]

thats not one of the options

these are the options it gave me

[bright owl]

Okay so are you trying to use Doom 1 format for episodes, or for another reason?

[lusty dove]

simply for the reason that i havent played doom 2 yet

so idk, ig i could use doom 2 format

if i were to select doom: doom 2, should i add both the doom and doom 2 wads or just the doom 2 wad

[bright owl]

The only differences between Doom 1 format and Doom 2 format are the episode structure and Doom 2’s new assets. The underlying mechanics are the same

You only need to add the Doom 2 WAD

[lusty dove]

ah ok, thank you

how do i get my mouse back after going into visual mode besides windows-keying out of the application lmao

also, are there any just general tutorials to getting started

bruh i cant use the editor because i am stuck in visual mode

oh its q

[bright owl]

On a separate note, Doom 2 is very good and you should play it at some point

[lusty dove]

yes i will play it once i finish doom 1

why am i getting this error when pressing test map

[wispy relic]

Technically there is a separate format for "Doom: Doom (Doom Format)" in UDB. You have to enable it from the settings, though

[lusty dove]

ah i see

[wispy relic]

your Doom / Doom 2 wad is likely not in the same folder that has your Chocolate Doom EXE

[lusty dove]

it is

i used doom 2 format

[wispy relic]

Can you run chocolate doom normally, without loading your custom wad?

[lusty dove]

yes

wait do i have to do something else besides just press play button

[wispy relic]

okay, then there's definitely something up in your custom wad. it would be a lot faster to just upload your wad here

[lusty dove]

do i need to export the wad or smthn?

i literally just pressed the play button in ultimate doom builder

[wispy relic]

That should work, hence why I would need to look at your custom WAD to see what's going on

[lusty dove]

ok

il upload it in a minute

all i did was make a map, put a box in it, and put a spawnpoint in that box

do i need to add anything else to make the map work?

[bright owl]

To start a demo run? No. To complete one you need a level exit

[wispy relic]

again, I need to take a look at it first lol. I can't really say at this point

[lusty dove]

ok, where do i find the wad?

[wispy relic]

Save your wad into a folder in your pc, then upload it here from that folder

[lusty dove]

wait hold on, i think i might have just forgotten to save it, forgive my noobyness

oh no it still breaks

[wispy relic]

alright, I have three recommendations here

[lusty dove]

ok

[wispy relic]

1. Change the map format to "Doom: Doom (Doom Format)". You should be able to set this if you close and re-open the WAD.

2. Change the name of your new map to "E1M1", instead of "MAP01"

3. Make another sector in your level. the original Doom can get pretty wacky if a map has only a single sector.

[lusty dove]

huh, ok

just curious, why do i not want to do doom 2 instead of doom 1 if all it has is just new stuff

i think im just gonna start with a fresh wad, since i didnt have much in that other one

[wispy relic]

Chocolate Doom as a sourceport tries to perfectly replicate the original doom experience. This includes game-breaking bugs that have long since been fixed in every other source port

[lusty dove]

ok

[wispy relic]

basically, for the best results with Chocolate Doom, you should do things by the books 100% of the time, even if it's minor or trivial

[lusty dove]

ok

thank you

ok, things seem to be working now, but for some reason, the second sector i made doesnt have sides

i made the floor height 16 higher to try to make a little platform, and the sides look really weird

oh, i figured out how to add textures to the sides

[lusty dove]

do you have any reccomendations for other source ports that still feel as vanilla like but without some of the bugs?

(sorry for all of the noob questions)

[trail steeple]

there are no wrong questions

Don't be sorry

[trail steeple]

PRBoom+ seams like a good option

[bold forge]

Crispy is great as well

Gibbon has also made several ports that have varying levels of compatibility and faithfulness to check out

[crisp dragon]

DSDA-Doom is a really great option

it's an updated fork of PrBoom+ with extra features

[edgy mesa]

I want it to be unlimited range

[bright owl]

There isn’t really a way to do that in Doom’s system

Everything gets a sight range limit. The default enemy range limit is something like 30 meters (not counting any vertical difference) so with a little planning you can absolutely make that seem unlimited

[bright owl]

Just looked up the monster range and it’s more like 60 meters

[wispy relic]

You would need to be using (G)ZDoom most likely

[edgy mesa]

ok

[haughty flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923665260924248085/945682346563231824/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/534802812719333391/945458772111925319/unknown.png

[lusty thorn]

Some enemies for the mod I'm working on

[glacial skiff]

Insert the usual debate here about how Doom 2 is functionally much better than Doom 1

Oh wait I was way-ass behind, nvm

[stuck ridge]

what do u think if place the uac logo in the torret ?

[elder plover]

how do i make an area like in the first image in ultimate doom builder?

i cant figure out how to lower the walls

[lost sail]

Posted my first map to Doomworld, https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127654-fio-single-map-release/

Feedback is welcome

[lost sail]

you should be able to go into Visual mode with Q and point at ceilings/floors and use the mouse wheel to adjust, or you can manually select sectors and change the heights

[wispy relic]

look at how they handle it in doom/doom 2. There are additional sectors drawn with the sky ceiling lowered.

[gloomy galleon]

I have a question that is not Doom specific but is very related. In the 90s there were lots of shovelware CDs that had custom WADs. If you were looking for a custom WAD that is not online right now you could go check them. A lot of these can be found on the Internet Archive website.

Similarly, I am looking for long-lost Dark Forces custom missions. I found a bunch (cannot link here?) on CDs even for other games. For example one was a CD for Duke Nukem maps but had Dark Forces missions as well.

My questions are...

1. What is a good place to find these shovelware CDs that may contains these custom missions? Other then Archive or Ebay?
2. Or... on Archive site, how can I search for a particular mission filename? Ex: I found a mission on an archived page - but no query I put in gives that pages as a result based on the mission name
3. Are there any other tools/suggestions/forums I can look into to find these missing maps? 

Thanks!

[elder plover]

another question, how do i make this wall transparent?

[safe steppe]

Don't make an actual wall, instead draw a linedef, give it a middle texture and not a lower/upper one, and check the box that says "impassible"

[elder plover]

thanks! it worked

[stuck ridge]

🇳 ice map

[lost sail]

Thanks! I'm working on another one, will be streaming shortly

[stuck ridge]

tell me when u finished

[quartz latch]

@stuck ridge i finished

[torn remnant]

mmm,,, crates

[bright owl]

So I’m working on a WAD and had the idea to have a horror level in the vein of Hunted, but I don’t want to use Archviles. What other demons would make a good fit for that kind of thing?

[safe steppe]

for a beginner it's alright, I think you should focus on these 3 for your next map:
-Texturing
-Vertical Layout
-Non-Linear Route

BTW, Welcome to the mapping community 👍

[safe steppe]

Like which monsters are scary? Imo the baron is quite creepy

[bright owl]

Yeah and which ones work well for a claustrophobic maze

The baron sounds like a good idea

[safe steppe]

I'd personally go Barons or hell knights for that kind of thing

Being stuck in a small space with barons really drives up your heart rate

[bright owl]

Sounds good. Thanks. One other thing. There isn’t a technical reason to stop me from mapping in Doombuilder and do final touches like texture and MIDI stuff in SLADE, is there?

[safe steppe]

Doom Builder and Slade work with each other very well and are compatible, nothing to worry about

[bright owl]

Thank you very much

I’m having trouble getting my doors to work and I can’t tell what I’m doing wrong. How do I make working doors?

[crisp dragon]

Hm... if possible you could also adjust the baron speed to be higher somehow so it'll be even more stressful

[bright owl]

That sounds terrifying

I don’t know a way to do that so I won’t. Maybe when I take it to SLADE for final touches

[bright owl]

Also I finally got the doors working again

[bright owl]

The levels I make tend to be quite short, but I feel like quite a few Doom levels (Doom 2’s map10 is a great example) overstay their welcome so I’m okay with leaning on the side of short but distinct and interesting

[stuck ridge]

i got 2 ask
u made the the music and lobby image ?
and some details too
l the doors are so big
isnt nesesary the rocket launcher is so powerfull for the level dificulty
other think is what are so grey the map
and the walls are a bit small
thas all but is a good
8/l0

[bright owl]

Is there a way to make powerups respawn after they run out?

[edgy mesa]

Is there an doom 2 mod that made the nazis look like this?

I dont want to use the blue nazis

[gloomy galleon]

Isn't there... Wolfenstein: Blade of Agony ?

I can't seem to link to it

Wolfenstein: Blade of Agony is one of the biggest GZDoom wads ever made—it may even be the biggest. But "wad" is a misnomer really, because this 30 level outing looks more like an entirely new game. The project has been six years in the making, and during that time 15 volunteer modders from all over the world have put their heads together to create a "true" follow-up to id Software's Wolfenstein 3D.

I just noticed you said Doom 2 - this is GZDoom - but maybe you can extract textures?

[bright owl]

The bulk of GZDoom objects and such should be compatible with other source ports

[edgy mesa]

I just want the enimies

[bright owl]

You should be able to lift them from that WAD. You doing a WW2 game?

[gloomy galleon]

That game's enemies are 90% of what the reference picture you've sent

[bright owl]

It has occurred to me that Commander Keen makes for an easy way to make destructible cover

I can’t get keyless doors working. What do I do differently from locked doors for them?

[crisp dragon]

set a different tag for them I think?

[bright owl]

Okay

[haughty flower]

What format are you working with?

[edgy mesa]

Yea

[bright owl]

Boom format

[safe steppe]

What's the problem with the doors?

[bright owl]

I’m working on a WAD themed around a demon hotel. I plan for map29 to be the only place to deviate from that core theme, and that’s mostly because I think every good area shooter should have at least one fever dream level in act 3. Bonus props to Dusk’s episode 3 for being almost nothing but fever dreams

They won’t open

[safe steppe]

Do they make an activation sound?

[bright owl]

I don’t know I’ve been testing my maps with the sound off

[safe steppe]

if you can screenshot or send the wad that'd help

[bright owl]

Okay one moment

[bright owl]

the problem is the secret room in the northern area

[safe steppe]

Alright I'll check what's wrong

[bright owl]

thank you

[safe steppe]

Okay so here is the issue:

1. You are using a W1 action which stands for Walk once as in you should walk on this linedef to activate it and the actions is not repeatable

The simple solution is to give it action 1 which is DR Open wait close

which means the door opens when you hit the use key

[bright owl]

okay thanks. I didn't know what the W stood for

[safe steppe]

There are many other actions that could do the same thing in different ways just make sure it starts with DR or SR (Door Repeatable or Switch Repeatble)

[bright owl]

makes sense

[safe steppe]

Here are all the meanings for letters

[bright owl]

there we go. I'll fix it in a few minutes. thank you for identifying the problem

I know there’s a Boom feature called “fake ceilings and floors”
I think I know what it does but how do I access it? I want to have the player wade through water that slows movement

[safe steppe]

Action 242

[bright owl]

How do I get to the actions list?

[safe steppe]

You can find a detailed explanation in the official boom reference: soulsphere.org/projects/boomref/#ld242

[bright owl]

Thanks

[safe steppe]

You right click a linedef and it should have a field where you choose the action, you can also search instead of typing a number

This button lets you search or even create Generalized actions (although you shouldn't really use those most of the time)

Btw @bright owl didn't you say you use crispy doom? that won't work with boom format maps, it might load them but it some things won't work correctly, I'd use dsda-doom or prboom+um for boom maps instead

[bright owl]

Okay good to know. Anything else I need to do to set this up?

[safe steppe]

One last tip, if you ever have trouble on anything boom related you can look up BOOMEDIT.WAD and see how it's done there (it's a wad with examples of all boom features)

[bright owl]

Okay thanks

[distant terrace]

hey peeps, i was wondering if there were any hand sprites out there (for weapon pack making) that resemble these gloves.
it's for a project 😉

and that i can use (license wise ofc)
are those black gloved hands i see in some mods free to use and modify? are there any that are maybe a bit shinier/have forearm armor?

i normally do different kinds of spriting but I'll give it a shot. but i need something to work from

[crisp dragon]

I'll review this when i get home

[bright owl]

How do I get monsters to teleport in?

[safe steppe]

You have monsters caged by walls in some sector outside the map, then the player either hits a switch or crosses a line that lowers the walls, outside the walls monsters are trapped in there should be teleport linedefs

[bright owl]

Okay so set up a teleport linedef near the cage with a door keeping the demons away from it?

[safe steppe]

Yes

[bright owl]

Cool thanks

[safe steppe]

@bright owl Here is an example I made rn that might help (Boom format, Doom2)

[bright owl]

I just need to fix a linedef and I think I’ve got it

The 2 linedefs are both “W1 teleport (monsters only)” right?

[safe steppe]

if you have only one monster you want to teleport use W1 teleport, if you have multiple use WR teleport

[bright owl]

Okay

How do I make it 1 way? The caco teleported back

[safe steppe]

on the sector with the teleport destination don't give the linedefs actions or tags, only a sector tag

[bright owl]

Okay that makes sense

[fallen panther]

@amber void

The one i have highlighted

[fallen panther]

@amber void

Hit this switch

3rd room in the level

Something should have opened up back around where you came into that room

Second hint

Go to the door I'm looking at

@amber void

You'll probably spot what opened on your way there

It's actually really hard to miss

Yep

Have you triggered both secrets in that room?

There's 2 if you want to use jump for this you can

Because it's annoying to open them normally

Here and here

@amber void

Jump up Ontop of these 2 spots

Trying to trigger them normally involves timed trigger lines so i don't

No that's the cross hair

I'm the little white line facing forward
| like that

Did you find something?

Oh I'm guessing you found the rocket launcher

Ah that's the first secret

One more that should come down after you exit that room

No it's a wall

1 hour before what?

Oh i see that's the kind of puzzle boxes old 90s levels were but

Yeah there is that much stuff on your first run

If you're looking for every secret

Turn jump on if you haven't this will go faster if you do

Alright take care

No problem

[wispy relic]

beta testing for my Zandronum mod "Multi Pack" is underway https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127625-beta-testing-multi-pack-tspg-archanea/

server is "[TSPG] Archanea", and you need Doom 2 and the .pk3 in the link above to begin Deathmatching.
Any and all feedback is welcome!

[haughty flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/534802812719333391/947144396367872041/unknown.png

"Your move creep!"

[agile spear]

Hey guys I have a question. I'm using the HD textures and objects mod with a complete Doom wad made from Wadsmoosh. When I run all of it through GZDoom the in-game message text is super small. Anybody have any ideas about how to fix this issue?

[haughty flower]

try increasing the message size in the settings

[agile spear]

It's at 8, which is max

[agile spear]

Hmmm, out of my wheelhouse, but I did solve my font-message problem by adding another HD font mod to my load order

[glacial skiff]

There is no way to do this. Consider if you really need a hud message to begin with though - you can 99% probably convey the same point with better scene composition

[safe steppe]

Not possible, but I've seen a clever trick where mappers create textures with text on them and use them as a middle texture so it appears the text is floating over am area

[distant terrace]

#classic-doom-maps-mods message bumping this in case it was missed (won't do it again, don't worry)
i need some gloves with shiny form fitting armor, any starting points for my sprite edits?

[safe steppe]

You could look for assets on realm667

there are a bunch of free doom assets there

[distant terrace]

now that i think of it, i saw Brutal Doom VR has some voxel based assets

does GZdoom handle voxels?

[safe steppe]

Yes https://zdoom.org/wiki/Voxel

check this out too https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_voxel_project

[distant terrace]

O HELL YES

yeah, okay, this will absolutely work

considering the gameplay style of crusader games, having freely movable weapons to peek around corners actually may be a win/win situation

okay cool, considering it will be possible to rip the gun images from the game (side view) i can expand those into voxels using magicavoxel and then buff 'n' shine 'n' polish until they become nice 3D shapes

yeah, cool. thanks @safe steppe, this actually combines some things for me in a different way i had not considered but might make it even more of a fun project to work on.

related question, palettes.
can i make my own, what do i have to keep in mind?
i take it GZdoom doesn't care too much about palettes?

(so it'd be mostly for aesthetic consistency)

[safe steppe]

iirc GZDoom doesn't need a palette and can work with any color, as for aesthetic consistency I would personally use 2 main colors and 2 or 3 secondary colors and make sure they look nice together, you can however switch palette with every episode/chapter

[distant terrace]

yeah, i am the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUnvNTvHMnQ here's some footage

so this is the sort of color scheme for normal tech bases, also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3on89w4rws for orbital stuff

thanks for the response chief o7

[glacial skiff]

For reference: a palette is required for GZDoom to launch, but you don't have to use it, necessarily

It can be 768 bytes of 0x00 and that is fine

[lusty dove]

how do i make doors?

[glacial skiff]

Special #1 on any two sided line. The sector referenced on the back side will be acted on

[lusty dove]

i want it to do something specific tho, not just open all of the way when clicked

[glacial skiff]

Then use ACS

Anything more complex than "door open (stay)/close (stay)" is going to require either conveyor belts or ACS

[lusty dove]

ok

i am very new, what is acs

[glacial skiff]

Hexen's method of delivering complex actions into a level. It is generally these days written in Doom Builder, compiled, and included in the map, and requires at least Hexen format (but I strongly suggest you use UDMF if you want complex features)

[lusty dove]

oh, so you cant do anything more complex with regular doom format?

[glacial skiff]

In general, it looks something like this:

  Door_Open(tag);
  Delay(2*SECOND);
  SetMusic(...);
}```

There are some interesting constructs you can make in vanilla, but in general, to trigger a more complex series of actions you will need at least Boom specials or Hexen/UDMF level formats

[lusty dove]

i just want when a switch is pressed the sector's ceiling height will raise by 96 units

[glacial skiff]

That can be done with a dummy sector

[lusty dove]

how do i do that? basically I have this room and i want it to go from this:

to this:

when a certain action is done, but preferably not have that texture above it get messed up lol

is that possible?

[glacial skiff]

First, prepare the door sector the normal way, and give it a tag; then copy the door sector and paste the copy somewhere outside of the level. Then, highlight the COPY first, THEN the original (so that the copy is highlighted "1"), and press J. Now, these are the same sector. Draw a new sector that is connected to the copy sector, and raise its ceiling by 96 units

Additionally, make sure the new sector attached to the copy is not tagged

[lusty dove]

would that smoothly go up?

[glacial skiff]

It will behave as a normal door

The only difference is that now it will raise by 96 units instead of to the next highest ceiling minus 4 units

[lusty dove]

cool, thank you

also, this is probably a dumb question but does this work in vanilla or require something in a port: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUCji83Xt50

[glacial skiff]

Technically speaking, that "works" in vanilla - but the setup is beyond your ability

You will be better served using port features for that

[lusty dove]

ok

maybe i will come back to this idea later

i think you can see what i was planning to do tho

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, problem is in vanilla you could see through the portals but not walk through; in ZDoom you can make that happen with just one line action on each wall you want to act like a portal

Er, well, I guess really 2 line actions, but still - setup is much simpler and more flexible

[lusty dove]

hmm, ok

ooh, idea

could i make both the floor and ceiling move?

i could do like an elevator or smthn

[glacial skiff]

Yes, but not in vanilla without some hackery

Note that there is nothing in the engine that says you cannot have two linedefs occupy the same space, as long as both sides of both lines are pointing to the same sector... The problem is creating this construct in Doom Builder

[safe steppe]

Do you have a resource for how to do this? I am quite interested, I know this is easily doable in boom format but in vanilla too? I would've never thought

[flat pebble]

Anyone know how to do separate, player attached variables for multiplayer?(this is for a 2 person map, would like each player to have a seperate variable attached to them, that displays their current amount of points.)

[glacial skiff]

As I explained, you need to be able to place two linedefs directly on top of each other (ideally, two linedefs which share start and end vertices, literally)

Like I pointed out, the engine technically doesn't mind if there are two linedefs atop one another with separate specials assigned - they get iterated upon through the blockmap the same way

You may encounter some issues eventually because of how thinkers get associated with sectors, but I haven't seen anything super wonky happen yet

[safe steppe]

Alright I'll see what I can do with that

You can place two linedefs on top of each other if you edit the wad in a hex editor

is there a doom editor that allows doing that instead of having to do it manually

[glacial skiff]

DEU can edit vertex references directly, and if you disable auto-stitching DB should allow it too theoretically

(You would just have duplicate vertices too, which is technically not a problem)

I think WadAuthor allows direct vertex reference editing too

[safe steppe]

Is there a technical term for these portals?

[glacial skiff]

Oh hold on, you're talking about the portals

Those are called "linguortals"

[safe steppe]

Yeah thanks I'll check them out

Apparently it was discovered in 2015, more than 20 years after doom's release damn

[glacial skiff]

Yeah it just turns out that it's a totally valid construct in vanilla

(and most software renderers, except those which inherit certain Boom optimizations)

Also, this will probably never work in any GL renderer, ever - including GZDoom

[safe steppe]

TBF if you're targeting a source port with a GL rendered you probably won't need to use vanilla format

[bright owl]

Is there a way to force pistol start for each level in Boom?

[glacial skiff]

@bright owl Exit sector special 11 iirc

@safe steppe Valid point haha, but just worth noting because it's technically interesting that it can be done at all in vanilla

[bright owl]

I can’t find a tag named that

[glacial skiff]

I'm talking about the sector special field, not a tag

[safe steppe]

Right click a sector and give it special 11

[bright owl]

Damage -10 or -20% health and end level?

[safe steppe]

Yes

When the player stand on it they start taking damage and when they die the level ends

[bright owl]

That’s what e1m8 does in Doom 1 right?

[safe steppe]

Yep exactly

[glacial skiff]

The exact behavior is worth noting: the player is not allowed to go below 1% health while standing in a sector with that special, and if there is more damage given than would normally kill you, instead the level ends

This means you will start the next map with 1% HP and pistol only iirc

[bright owl]

In that case I guess players will be getting a Megasphere at the start of each level

[safe steppe]

Or just make sure nothing else can kill you

[glacial skiff]

Can put 4 medkits on the player's feet instead

Toe bandages can get you to 100% health, you know how it goes

[bright owl]

Right. That would have a similar effect. Yeah I’ll do that

[safe steppe]

Also you can let the player telefrag a bunch of barrels and the icon of sin

ending the level and killing the player

However do note that it's a bit loud

[glacial skiff]

Not sure why I thought of this but something I haven't seen anyone do: special palette indexes that never get flashed red/brown/green/etc. so they can be used for an always-readable font, regardless of if you just picked up 4,000 health bonuses or just 1

[safe steppe]

@bright owl

[bright owl]

Okay thanks

[flat pebble]

is there any way to give players separate Thing ID's?

[lusty dove]

how does vanilla do stuff like raising platforms and stairs

[glacial skiff]

Those are both specific actions programmed into the engine that you can access via line specials like normal

You can see how those behaviors work on E2M2 and E1M8, as an example

[flat pebble]

also any way to extract doom textures for editing them

[glacial skiff]

Some startan stand-ins I made for Dark Forces, but they are free to use for Doom as well if you can find a good home for them

12 textures, png

[gloomy galleon]

@glacial skiff looking good

Is there any way to find a modern contact for Daniel "Stormin" Norman ? He made some impressive WADS . https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Daniel_Norman_(Stormin)

Or maybe someone has this collection of classic Doom maps by Black Bird Entertainment? https://doomwiki.org/w/images/a/af/ViolenceIn3D-AOC.jpg

[trail steeple]

"dm"
"t*d"

[gloomy galleon]

Yeah I don't get it either - for some reason they put ** in the words? My only guess is in the 90s these words were somehow offensive?

[glacial skiff]

It avoids the use of a trademark

... Even though the screenshots are clearly full of copyrighted content

[gloomy galleon]

That would explain it 🙂

[solid wolf]

https://youtu.be/QwgYYLV11-g

[somber anchor]

oh wait

did not notice this at first

now i have doom classic stuff in idtech classics

[sinful loom]

Hey doom community, can you guys recommend me any good sprites editors?

[bright owl]

Slade has a feature for that IIRC

Slade is a pretty versatile modding tool in general

[sinful loom]

Might aswell use Slade 'cause why not, thanks

[glacial skiff]

Define "sprite editor"

[somber anchor]

im gonna make a map

[somber anchor]

nvm

[sinful loom]

wdym, pick sprite/sprites sheet, edit it. Thats it

[alpine dagger]

I mean, you could just use paint.net

or GIMP

[sinful loom]

Im willing to use anything that works

[somber anchor]

can i share mods i made and if so how?

[remote widget]

look at this brutal sprite i made

[runic breach]

ok

[crisp dragon]

Pinky death sprite except gorier, I kinda like it

Doesn't seem too over the top

[remote widget]

yea, it's based under UACLABS.WAD, i apparently made it because i was bored

[trail steeple]

the what wad

[remote widget]

yep that columbian shooter wad

[trail steeple]

[remote widget]

i noticed it was brutal, then i was bored i tried to make it more brutal

[whole blade]

Aseprite

[sinful loom]

Ill try that, ty

[whole blade]

Np

I haven't used it myself but almost every spriter I know uses it

[quick crag]

Ah

[safe steppe]

Aseprite is paid I recommend GIMP or paint dot net

[lusty dove]

I did this but its not going up the exact amount i want, its going slightly less than that

[glacial skiff]

Add 4 to the ceiling height of your dummy sector that has the target height

[lusty dove]

ok

and how would i make it get triggered by a switch as opposed to interacting with the door directly

[glacial skiff]

By tagging the sector you intend to be the door and applying the same tag to a special of S1 variety

(Nominally, this seems like an action you would not wish to repeat - but if it is, use an SR door)

[lusty dove]

ok

is there a list of all of the different things i could use to trigger it?

[glacial skiff]

Yes, there is typically a button to the right in DB that opens the full actions list, categorized by action type

[lusty dove]

ok

would it be possible to do it when all enemies in a room are killed?

[glacial skiff]

Not in vanilla

[lusty dove]

ok

when a specific enemy is killed?

[whole blade]

triggering things on enemy death is generally only doable in a port that supports scripting

there's some exceptions but they are specific use cases

[lusty dove]

how did vanilla do it when the barrons were killed in e1m8

[bright owl]

They wrote it directly into the code

[lusty dove]

ah

stupid devs and their proprietary solutions /s

[bright owl]

Dead Simple uses something similar with the mancubi and Arachnotrons

[whole blade]

Yeah those specific use cases are hard coded

[haughty flower]

although, if the source port you're targeting has some form of mapinfo support (umap, emap, or just normal mapinfo), you can set boss actions for any enemy
think there are some drawbacks through

[whole blade]

generally if it supports those mapinfo functions, it supports ACS

so i'd just go with that route

[remote widget]

i really make sprites in Paint 3D, sometimes MS PAINT

[runic breach]

why would you make sprites in paint 3d

ms paint i understand but why paint 3d

[sinful loom]

Ok so

I wanna use this as an M_DOOM but the resolution is too big, however when i lower the resolution to make it fit as an M_DOOM it looks bad and blurry. Any ideas to make the thingy look decent?

Also i ended up using ms paint to edit sprites

[somber anchor]

i dont have a solution to your problem but that looks cool

[sinful loom]

Ay thanks anyways :)

[somber anchor]

CONTROL

i wonder what its about?

[safe steppe]

Try different options when scaling it down, Nearest Neighbor scaling is usually the best option for pixel art

[sinful loom]

Actually nvm

uhh

[sinful loom]

Ill try that ty

[sinful loom]

yes

[trail steeple]

bad & blurry ?

if you run gzdoom...TURN OFF TEXTURE FILTERING/ANTI-ALIASING

you can thank me later

[safe steppe]

he's talking about changing the image size not texture filtering

[trail steeple]

hm

[sinful loom]

Not that duh

[sinful loom]

Wrong ping

[sinful loom]

Its not that, duh

[somber anchor]

hi

[woven quartz]

hi, can i send the video of my map?

or the file, I don't know

i ported map 32 grosse to snes doom

https://youtu.be/ChWrQOcbfN8

[sinful loom]

Pretty cool, does that means you can port all of doom 2 to SNES?

[sinful loom]

Is there a way to use a higher resolution image instead of just resizing it?

[safe steppe]

You can enable Highres textures but only in (G)ZDoom

[sinful loom]

That counts for the M_DOOM thing too?

[safe steppe]

I am not sure how to let gzdoom know these are highres textures though

[safe steppe]

Yes it works for all doom assets

[woven quartz]

yes, but it would be difficult because to pass the level you would have to change roms and redo each map 1 by 1

[sinful loom]

Imma do some research on that, thanks

[safe steppe]

This maybe could help https://zdoom.org/wiki/TEXTURES

[sinful loom]

Ill check that out

[sinful loom]

Can't you like combine all the maps in one?

[sinful loom]

Ohh this might actually work

[woven quartz]

cacodemontube ported the underhalls, entryway, the gantlet and downtown

[woven quartz]

not because it bugs, the tools are betas

[woven quartz]

and in the same scheme they made pac man doom for snes, it has 5 maps but they are divided by 5 roms

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEG7iw2RgnoioXbBlrYj7L960KFGYXmaq

before some ask "why do you modify snes doom?" nostalgia and because it has a different engine than other doom console ports

and all maps are made in doom builder and converted from WAD to SMC

[sinful loom]

Fair, if im not wrong there should be tools for gba doom too btw

[woven quartz]

exists but i wanted to make custom maps for gba

[remote widget]

transparent sprites that's why

[strong kelp]

Slaughter map I am making

Dark dome Inspired

[runic breach]

there's much better software but i see

[lusty dove]

in what situation do i go down here and not die

[stuck ridge]

if i kknow first press the swiches but fast and the platforms of down go up so u can grab the stuff and dont get stucked in mi opinion first grab the orb and next the shot gun ammo

[lusty dove]

but how would i get out

[stuck ridge]

no first when enter at the zone go for the swiches and the platforwms go up

[stuck ridge]

trying to evade all the monsters

[crisp dragon]

there are switches on the wall

you press them first, and the platforms under the crushers will lift up

[bright owl]

Can I use Boom to combine Doom2 assets with the episode structure?

[trail steeple]

you can just use the doom 1 format in UDB

[bright owl]

Okay thanks

[trail steeple]

iirc it also includes a doom 1 version of other formats

[torn laurel]

Ok so this is the right channel lol

I recently posted a video on my first doom mod! Hope you guys enjoy!

Any recommendations? For new mods?

[haughty flower]

Hold up

It's your first played mod or the first mod you made?

Then posting it in #videos is enough lol, this chat is for actual development discussion

Sorry for the confusion pal

[torn laurel]

Oh ok lol it’s ok😄

Yeah it’s the first mod I’ve played! Lol

[fallen panther]

One mod I always recommend constantly

Is. https://www.moddb.com/mods/call-of-doom-cod-style-advanced-weapons-mod/downloads/light-edition-brutal-doom-ver-call-of-doomblack-warfare

Some of the most satisfying weapons I've ever fired in an fps

[sinful loom]

Anyone knows how to make a slow motion bar? Like, i added slow motion to my mod through timscale but i don't know how to add a limit to it, any help?