classic-doom-maps-mods

[shadow trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/534802812719333391/926206894840889344/cool_bike_level.mp4

more progress

[trail steeple]

kebab stone

also,looks interesting

[shadow trail]

low res texture moment

[night pond]

i got smooth doom, but the black gloves look wrong

im used to the odd skin gloves

[trail lion]

https://youtu.be/-dI5Rsmz5LE

[severe swift]

A program for making wads.

???

[wispy relic]

The two major programs are Ultimate Doom Builder and SLADE3
• UDB is what you will use to do any and all mapping.
• SLADE allows you to open up your WADs and add in everything else - new textures, sprites, music, etc. etc.
There is one other thing worth mentioning, if you're interested in strictly Vanilla modding
• DeHackEd / WhackEd is what you will need to modify a lot of different things in non-advanced source ports

[severe swift]

Thanks a lot!!

[red abyss]

Olá,algum brasileiro aqui????

[loud spruce]

Half-Life 2 (1994)

[sterile berry]

Is there a mod that adds level intermission screens similar to Doom 1 where it shows the levels as a map? I know a mod exists for TFC but would one for 2 even be possible? The best option imo would be splitting the screens into segments based on when the intermission screen with text appears.

[thick raft]

is there a doom mod that has eternal’s weapons and mechanics?

there’s already one for doom 2016 so I believe it is possible for a mod to have doom eternal’s mechanics and guns

[still dagger]

Embers of Armageddon iirc

[slate turtle]

That looks pretty cool. Reminds me of the secret stage from TTL

[shadow trail]

yeah i got the textures from that
it looks very good

[slate turtle]

Very nice, glad to hear more people heard about it, it's a great mod.

From seeing your vid, i am presuming you're making a racer mod or?

[shadow trail]

yeah its a time trial mod

basically you have to finish the whole track under 2 minutes
and its gonna also include a rating system as well

as well as other maps

[slate turtle]

Yoooo, that sounds awesome

Excited to see more ngl

[runic breach]

eoa is a doom 2016 to doom 2 mod

eoa eternal exists though

i got it from their discord server (googling embers of armageddon discord should do it, i can't send server links here)

[thick raft]

that’s doom 2016

[runic breach]

yeah but eoa eternal

[thick raft]

that’s a reskin

[lilac swift]

When do we get a doom slayer mod on doom 2

[crisp dragon]

EOAE

it isn't just a reskin, it's got actual mechanics

[twin shadow]

EOAE is incomplete and in the current available public build, not worth your time.

[crisp dragon]

there's modifications like hellomemy's version which fixes some stuff, and it's still your best bet if you're looking for Eternal stuff

otherwise, you're shit out of luck

[onyx vector]

can someone tell me how to bind tackle in treasure tech land

PLEASE

[haughty flower]

junko wad is a good wad

[crisp dragon]

Search it up in the options search

[onyx vector]

its not there

[runic breach]

nope

[slate turtle]

Go to Options > Customise Controls, and look down, it should be a tab that says Treasure Tech keys

[sterile berry]

So I have the metadoom mod, three marauders in one level so far

[onyx vector]

it was "body check". god fucking damn it

[crisp dragon]

Oh oof

[runic breach]

opinions on brutal doom?

[haughty flower]

it's alright

[crisp dragon]

its ok

[haughty flower]

don't see why people have to get so pissed about it tbh

[gusty bough]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/litdoom-survival-gameplay/downloads/litdoom-051-beta-patch

[wispy relic]

woudl rather play nu-doom

[runic breach]

understandable

[trail steeple]

not my cup of tea

[edgy mesa]

is there any outdoors textures? like new grass texture, wall texture etc

[edgy mesa]

i found some textures from MOH:AA but i cant find an barbed wire textures

[slate turtle]

It's 🥱😴 after you have played anything else. It had that charm of being "oh lord this is so brutal It's cool." But after there were like 10 other mods that made demons explode into a bunch of shredded meat it kinda got boring, the mapset it came with was pretty cool but other than that i don't think I'll ever return to it unless Mark releases the fixed and midernised Mapset he's been working on for like- 3 years now?

[whole blade]

he's been working on brutal fate for 3 years

he's stopped modding for doom

[runic breach]

are there any mods that improve the enemy ai to dodge more

[crisp dragon]

Hm

I suppose you can download corruption cards

It adds new perks to enemy AI as a subbranch

Like one of them being that they can dodge incoming attacks

[runic breach]

thanks

[onyx vector]

project brutality is 10x better

[sterile berry]

So I’m doing a continuous run throughout all of classic doom with metadoom as well. Instant marauder on E4M1

[slate turtle]

The hell is that?

[haughty flower]

a game that the dev of Brutal Doom has been working on
ngl, it looks pretty promising

[sterile berry]

Any trailers or anything?

[upbeat path]

Look it up on steam, he also has a Twitter @BrutalFate that he updates regularly

[slate turtle]

Hmmm, I'll be sure to give it a watch, although if it's anything like BD then oh boy

[onyx vector]

just finished shrine 2. pretty good but honestly kind of crap

every one of the last 3 levels are blood references

[onyx vector]

wait…. seancon.wad??? NOOOOO

[flat pebble]

What's the map editor people commonly use for the orignal doom?

[whole blade]

ultimate doombuilder

[flat pebble]

Would you happen to have a link for the download? As when I search it up there's quite a few different ones I get.

[whole blade]

gimme a sec

[whole blade]

beep beep
https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/ultimatedoombuilder/

[flat pebble]

Thank you!^

[whole blade]

you'll want the x64 build at the top

once you've installed it (literally just unzip in a folder) it will autoupdate whenever a new build is out

[flat pebble]

Also, seeing that ones needs a copy of the doom 2 wad, is the one from the steam version of doom 2 sufficient?

[whole blade]

no that should be fine

just copy doom2.wad into to folder of the port that you are using (gzdoom/dsda/cripsy etc)

[flat pebble]

gotcha 👌

[flat pebble]

I was thinking about using gzdoom but is there an port people commonly use/what's the main difference?

[wispy relic]

Chocolate doom is a fairly conservative port: it doesn't fundamentally change much about the game experience. It's as close to playing the original Doom as you'll probably get. The mouse functions like in the original, keys are bound to their original defaults, the resolution is like 320 x 200, and so on. About the only thing that's not "true to the original" is the music-playback, since in the past midi soundfonts were a bit weird.
Crispy Doom is like Chocolate doom, but has a few modern conveniences added - increased screen resolution, widescreen support, the ability to turn on looking up/down, an optional crosshair, etc. The out of the box settings are close to the default, but you can toggle optional QoL stuff that will start to change the experience

GZDoom runs Doom in essentially a different engine. This might not be noticeable to the untrained eye, but things more under-the-hood like the game's physics differ drastically from the original Doom. On the other hand though, GZDoom offers things like full mouselook, jumping, crouching, support for Dynamic Lights, etc. etc. that goes well beyond the scope of what the original Doom could do. This becomes much more apparent when you play mods made for GZDoom, such as the popular Brutal Doom/Project Brutality mods. And that's largely the draw of GZDoom: it's a more modern engine, and it supports a lot more freedom with mods that target it.

this ends the list of doom ports I'm personally familiar with. I know there's also DSDA Doom, PrBoom+, and a few other ports, but I've never really used or looked into them, so I can't really comment on them.

[flat pebble]

thank you!^

[crisp dragon]

If you plan on making a map that isn't ZDoom strict, make sure you test on a more vanilla port as well as GZDoom

[haughty flower]

test it on all ports

[flat pebble]

So after I download a source port(Doing GZdoom to start), what do I do? I notice when I clicked gzdoom.exe it gives an error and does not run.

"zmusic.dll was not found"

Actually got it to work wack

for some reason the one from the site shown in video's didn't work, but the offical site for Zdoom's did xD

[wispy relic]

P much with any port, you put a copy of your main WADs in the folder with the executable and run it, and it should work

For some of them though you may need to do something to specify a different WAD (GZDoom for example by default will ask you which WAD you want to use, but Chocolate/Crispy Doom will automatically open Doom 2 if they detect it, so you have to use their respective setup programs to play a different IWAD)

[flat pebble]

Is there any way to move around when in the visual mode?

[haughty flower]

wdym

[flat pebble]

Nvm

Only issue I'm running into now is textures not seeming to render

but it mostly seems to be due to me misplacing sectors/skipping small spots of textures.

[whole blade]

lol no

[haughty flower]

why yes

[whole blade]

no you test your map in only the ports you intend for it to be played in

[trail steeple]

ah yes

time to test my mod in obscure stuff like vavoom,amiga doom,gxdoom,doomsday and a bunch of other ports i don't recall anyone using

[runic breach]

sorry but what's gxdoom

[trail steeple]

did you even read that message

[runic breach]

"test it on all ports"
i don't remember any ports named gxdoom, i think you mean gzdoom

[trail steeple]

no,i don't

[runic breach]

then what's gxdoom

[trail steeple]

a source port

[runic breach]

gzdoom is a source port

[trail steeple]

do you really think gzdoom is the only one ?

[runic breach]

gxdoom does not exist

[trail steeple]

oops,i fucked up
i meant Lxdoom

[runic breach]

oh

[still dagger]

Test on all ports that exist

[torn remnant]

i have started another project

[coarse spruce]

As somebody that's never rly delved into map making. I'm curious, what exactly is a linedef, sector, etc.?

[wispy relic]

They're different components that make up a map. Doom maps are drawn on a 2d plane, like so:

"Linedefs" are the lines you see there; they can be one-sided or two-sided, and they usually have some texture(s) on them. Linedefs are where you put your action triggers for things like doors, teleporters, switches, and so on

"Sectors" are essentially a group of linedefs. They usually make a single closed shape, but it's possible to have more complex sectors that are made of multiple disconnected shapes. Whereas lines will have textures on them, sectors will have a floor and ceiling "flat"; this can be a simple texture, or it can display the sky instead

Sectors will also have a brightness level, and can have a bunch of different effects (flickering lights, damaging floors, etc.)

This (and more) all comes together to make a map:

[wispy relic]

any other questions?

[coarse spruce]

Not at the moment lol. As somebody that's played classic doom for years I've always been kinda curious about this kinda stuff even tho me myself would probably never try to make a map

[old panther]

cool map

[onyx vector]

blood type beat

brutal doom fan vs hideous destructor enjoyer

[runic breach]

hideous destructor is how the game would actually go irl

[sage nimbus]

yall know some good horde doom maps?

like maps where you just fight a crud ton of enemies

[whole blade]

sunder

bastion of chaos

abandon

slaughtermax

death in excess

cryogenesis

[runic breach]

they're called slaughter maps
search for them

[sage nimbus]

thx

[loud spruce]

Unless if we put the 2016/Eternal timeline Slayer however...then it'll just go like Doom even IRL.

[sage nimbus]

need some help with gz doom

[crisp dragon]

If you want something more toned down, then get Micro Slaughter Community Project, because the ones Bridge listed are quite difficult

Also, what's the problem

[sage nimbus]

so apperently they added blood splatter to gz doom

like blood on walls and stuff

[crisp dragon]

Mhm

[sage nimbus]

but it its a litttle glitched in the way that the backgrounds for the blood is black and not tansparent

same for bullet holes and explosion ash

[crisp dragon]

That's decals isn't it?

[sage nimbus]

i think?

[crisp dragon]

Also I recommend turning decals off tbh

[sage nimbus]

i turned both to just particles but it aint working

[crisp dragon]

Playing slaughtermaps with GZDoom and decals is generally a bad idea

Most of the time on most computers, people using GZDoom can't handle slaughtermaps

Add decals onto that with hundreds of monsters dying at the same time... yikes

[sage nimbus]

lol i learned that the hard way

slaughter max and russian overkill

ill try turning off decals and see if that works

[runic breach]

i use this smooth doom fork for gore

[whole blade]

Decals have pretty much zero performance impact

Gzdoom handles lots of monsters fine. You have to get into the 10s of thousands before all the monster call checks become an issue

[slate turtle]

Sunlust gets pretty funky after a few maps. Although nit traditionally a slaughtermap wad it does have some levels where it feels like you have to play like a brutal maniac

Aka da real doom man

[sage nimbus]

i only play them to combine mods like russian overkill with them

[whole blade]

Sunlust only has 4 or so maps you can actually classify as slaughter

[upbeat path]

Any set that doesn't already have mods added should be fine

[whole blade]

Most of the maps have enemy counts in the few hundred

[sage nimbus]

rn im playing slaughter max and its really good

im suprised my pc can handle it

[slate turtle]

I know, but it does have alot of slaughter map elements

[sage nimbus]

yall should i try nuts?

[upbeat path]

Fuck around, find out

[slate turtle]

[sage nimbus]

jk tried it once

my pc nearly died

[slate turtle]

Yoinkers

[sage nimbus]

wait a second

[whole blade]

It has a lot of difficult fight elements and set pieces, which is different to slaughter. Something like stardate is closer to slaughter

[slate turtle]

Oop, I haven't heard of Stardate

Sounds funky tho

[flat pebble]

how do you edit lighting?

[flat pebble]

figured it out nevemind!^

[flat pebble]

how do you enable "thing" visibility(when you are in edititor and are in 3D view mode)

[whole blade]

Press 't' to toggle thing visibility

[flat pebble]

ty^!

[sage nimbus]

yall recommend some weapon mods?

[shell jetty]

Russian Overkill

[sage nimbus]

already have it

[shell jetty]

Brutal doom

[sage nimbus]

maybe

[whole blade]

supercharge

[runic breach]

high noon drifter

[trail steeple]

extreme weapons pack

[sage nimbus]

hmmmmmm

[sage nimbus]

gz doom being dum again

this time the hud

[slate turtle]

Iron Snail

[flat pebble]

I have 3 questions:
-1.) Which sorce port was closest to the original version of doom/doom2?(If possible could I also have a download link?)
-2.) How would I go about testing to make sure the level I made works on said sorce port from the first question.
-3.) Would the level file (wad) be compatible with an orignal copy of doom/doom2 if I so have an orignal copy on an older pc?(I have an older disc copy of ultimate doom, wondering if I can make levels on my "newer pc" and transfer them, and I find doom builder much easier to use then DEU mainly due to being able to view what I've done)

[wispy relic]

1. I think Chocolate Doom is your best bet
2. Chocolate Doom has a setup program that comes with it, and you can use that to do command line stuff like load levels from another WAD
3. Most likely yes, though from what I remember technically the disc versions of Ultimate Doom/Doom 2 are the ones that have "Doom 95", which is a port

Alternatively, if you purchased Doom/Doom 2 off of Steam, those come with DOSBox and the original EXE iirc, so you can play "truly original" Doom that way

[haughty flower]

1. Chocolate Doom
2. Also yes, if you use the autobuilds you can drag and drop the wad on the chocolate doom exe and you don't have to suffer with the command line stuff
3. If it works with chocolate doom, it can work with the original Doom 1 and 2

[wispy relic]

for all intents and purposes, when people make a WAD that they say is "vanilla compatible", 99% of the time they mean that it plays without issue in Chocolate Doom. No one's really expected to dig out the original EXE and hardware to play it on in order to make that claim

[crisp dragon]

Chocolate doom is your best bet, although I would recommend using Boom format to make your wad and to test it using a Boom sourceport and above

Vanilla is quite limited although it makes it compatible with every sourceport

[flat pebble]

Alright thanks a bunch everyone^.
just one last thing, is it possible to test with Chocolate doom through the editor?

[crisp dragon]

I think so, it allows you to select a sourceport and test the WAD directly

[flat pebble]

How do I add the sourceport, as my current one selected is GZdoom

[wispy relic]

In UDB,
Tools -> Game Configuration

Make sure you have the right map format selected and navigate to the "testing" tab of the window that pops up

you can add, remove, and change out sourceports from there

[flat pebble]

Smh trying to post the screenshot of the error I keep getting

bot just had to delete it twice

[wispy relic]

"W_LumpLength: %i >= numlumps
A request to retrieve the length of a particular lump referenced a lump number out of the range of the master WAD directory."

there is likely an error with your PWAD

[flat pebble]

how do I figure out what's causing the issue then?

[wispy relic]

You can upload your PWAD here and we can take a look at it

there's also the Doomworld forums you can go to for more help

[flat pebble]

🤦 wait is the format wrong

[wispy relic]

nah, .wad is the right format

Ah

Your map appears to be made in UDMF

This is an advanced map format, and Chocolate doom/the original doom cannot read it properly

If you want to make maps that are vanilla compatible, you need to select "Doom: Doom (Doom Format)" or "Doom: Doom 2 (Doom Format)" depending on if you're making your wad for Doom or Doom 2/Final Doom

[flat pebble]

is there any way to change the format it's currently in?

[wispy relic]

Yes

You will have to fix a lot of things though

In UDB, click "Edit" -> "Map Options" and that box above should pop up
Change the game configuration to the right one

et voila

[crisp dragon]

mhm

so far UDMF is only supported on advanced sourceports like Eternity and ZDoom based ports

but it allows you to have the most creativity when mapping

Boom is underneath that, and it still allows you to map creatively but it caters to a wider range of sourceports

[flat pebble]

hmm odd
When I click edit and go to map options only gives 1 option, that of which I am using

[wispy relic]

I wouldn't say "most creativity". Perhaps "most freedom" is more appropriate

[wispy relic]

go back to your "Game Configurations" window, and check off the map formats you want displayed there

The checkboxes change what's displayed for the "Map Options" window when making/modifying a map

[flat pebble]

Ahhhh

Also just to make sure, script type should remain the same?

[wispy relic]

That's not going to matter in the vanilla map format

[flat pebble]

Gotcha, thanks for the help!

Ngl I find it funny how it really just messed up mostly the lava texture as I personally disliked it.

[wispy relic]

Yeah, so the original doom format doesn't allow normal textures on floors/ceilings, only 64 x 64 "flats"

so you'll have to get used to working with the rather limited library of those

[torn remnant]

daily screenshots

[flat pebble]

Well fixed all the textures, only thing is, whenever I run to test it, it crashes and doesn't run. No error nothing.

do you have to include an end objective when testing with chocolate doom? No clue why it's not running the level since there's no error

[trail lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJxs1VHfbH4&ab_channel=AudomMoy

[flat pebble]

How do you run custom wads on chocolate doom, as trying to figure out why this is happening, and that likely I'll get an error if there's an issue.

[crisp dragon]

The thing with Chocolate Doom is that it's mean to emulate vanilla as closely as possible

so the only WADs that can run on it are vanilla WADs

if you try to say, run even a limit-removing WAD in Chocolate Doom, it will not run.

and so on, like Boom format WADs and UDMF format WADs.

[flat pebble]

what would be the best way to test if my map works on the windows 95 version of ultimate doom then?(I have tested this wad in GZDoom and works fine).

[crisp dragon]

if you truly wanted to, you'd possibly have to change the map format or worst case scenario, rebuild it in vanilla format

[wispy relic]

Not necessarily. "Limit-removing" maps should run until it actually encounters something that will cause a crash (for example a visplane overflow), since it's not the map format that's different, just the static limits and stuff that have been raised

If the map can't be opened at all, then there is likely something else the matter

[wispy relic]

if you can upload the current version of your WAD, I can go ahead and troubleshoot it a bit to see what's going on

[flat pebble]

that should be it

it is in doom 2 format, but still wouldn't run. Map is unfinished but nothing that I've been able to find with check is untextured/problematic(only some intentional mis-alignments).

[wispy relic]

All right, so I moved the player start and was able to get it to actually open, but when I moved into the open area with the lava I got this error

[flat pebble]

hmm

odd

Worked perfectly fine on Chocolate doom when I put it in the indoor area

[wispy relic]

I think I have it figured out

try running this and make sure you don't have any problems with it either

[flat pebble]

Works, I noticed that the ceilings in the 3 spots where removed, was that the issue?

[wispy relic]

The issue is pretty much that you were not making solid walls in the way that they are normally made.

As a result of all the extra information on each line, it was throwing that "solidsegs overflow" error (at least, this is my limited understanding of it)

In the future, when you're going to make a pillar or a wall that never lowers or opens up or anything like that, what you need to do is delete the sector (in Sectors mode, not Lines mode) after drawing it

This will make its interior void space, and all you have to do is put middle textures on the lines

If you want to have a room, for example in that structure where the shotgun is in your map, you simply draw a new sector inside the void, leaving a thin space to act as your wall
Like so:

you can then add a door or windows or whatever from there

[flat pebble]

Alright thank you!^

Kind of thought I was doing something wrong with making each pillar a sector in the first place.

Was able to edit it all out of mine.

[wispy relic]

Cool

Also, for vanilla mapping, there's a very handy tool that UDB has called "visplane explorer", which will allow you to deal with the notorious Visplane Overflow crash should you get it
This mode checks to see if the number of visplanes in your map exceeds the limit that vanilla doom will allow, and it'll highlight the places that go over the limit.

You will usually get this crash if you try to detail your map by drawing a lot of sectors and doing stuff like very gradual brightness changes or trying to make fake-slopes, or creating very large and open areas

[flat pebble]

How exactly does the app work?

[wispy relic]

Ah, it's not even a separate program or anything. Just go to Mode -> Visplane Explorer in UDB

it'll basically make a heatmap of the visplanes in your map

Brighter areas have more visplanes, and wherever it's red, that's where you'll get a visplane overflow crash when playing the map

Note that it's not when you're looking at the areas in red from a different location, but rather when you're standing in those specific places looking at the rest of the map while playing you'll get a crash

[flat pebble]

so if it's in an unreachable spot it would technically be fine.^

[wispy relic]

Yeah, probably

[flat pebble]

now I have a great idea for a troll map

[wispy relic]

weird graphical glitches can happen as you get close to the limit though

so it's still helpful to keep it in mind even if you're not going over the limit anywhere

[flat pebble]

gotcha 👌
thanks for the help!^

[wispy relic]

o7

[whole blade]

you can run right up to 127 visplanes and not have an issue. it's a hard limit (128)

the issue with going that close to the limit is if something changes slightly and tips it over you get a hard crash. like a door opening or an archvile hitting the player and they see more. buffers are good to account for unexpected events

and the UDB visplane explorer is not 100% accurate. it's an approximation. chocorenderlimits is the best thing to use to check visplanes.

[plush cave]

so thats how some maps crash the game

[upbeat path]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1480184092486479875?s=20

SHANNON//CANNON 💙 (@majorarlene)

A first attempt at an ENDOOM screen for Dancing in the Abyss- hand-drawing a triquetra was much more challenging than I anticipated but I think I made it work! #doom #modding

Twitter · Jan 9, 2022, 2:26 PM

[full agate]

Any good western full conversion for Doom 2?

[upbeat path]

Bastardos

it's not a full megawad but it's a good few levels

[flat pebble]

I'm finding a bunch of things regarding how to make 3d floors/bridges. What is the current method of doing them?(And does it work in doom2 format)

[safe steppe]

in vanilla doom you have to use self referencing sectors, pretty complicated and breaks often but if you can pull it off it will work.
in boom format you simply use linedef action 242.
in UDMF format you use 3D Floors.

this is the only video tutorial that exists for doom 2 format but it's kinda hard to understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH7UWvNKRIg

[flat pebble]

It is lol

and I'm more after creating a flat "pathway" bridge rather than a "wood bridge", but that video is confusing.

[torn remnant]

1 map done! no music yet

[wispy relic]

imo, over/under bridges are just not worth the amount of effort that it takes to pull them off properly in vanilla doom. I think your time is better spent simply making a lift that can lower and working on the other parts of your map with the saved time

[runic breach]

i like playing high noon drifter with a fistful of doom

[severe swift]

Im going to make a wad really interesting

Udoom but with the ssg

Im going to call it

The ultimate doom: ssg edition

Im going to change some shotguns to ssgs

[limber monolith]

anyone familiar with slade? what's the name of the object that supplies the graphic for the background of the startup screen?

[whole blade]

titlepic pretty sure

[limber monolith]

Found it, thanks

[whole blade]

👍

[crude isle]

Beautiful

[runic breach]

recommendations for maps that look great?

i really liked bridgeburner's bastion of chaos wad

[upbeat path]

Slaughter Spectrum, also from Bridgeburner, Lullaby by Danlex, Technicolor Antichrist Box by me, Sunder from Insane Gazebo (although it's hella hard)

[runic breach]

thank you

[limber monolith]

How does one change the level music in Slade?

[upbeat path]

Format?

[limber monolith]

Generally, I mean, how do I choose a different MIDI?

[torn remnant]

if its not udmf, then you put the midi in the wad and rename it according to the map you want the midi in (i think there should be a list on doomwiki of what track plays on what map and how its called in the files)

[crisp dragon]

Also Heartland, but that requires the Eternity Engine

[torn remnant]

i dont know how it works in udmf i havent used it

[shadow trail]

linedef hell
looks cool tho

[wispy relic]

Regardless of map format, putting in replacement MIDIs will work as long as your new levels use the same naming convention as the IWAD you're playing from. So for the original Doom, if your replacement levels are named E1M1-E3M9 it'll work fine, and for Doom 2/Final Doom, if the levels are named MAP01-MAP32 it'll work there as well.

Things only get more complicated if you decide to name your maps something different internally. Like if you use E1M1 and so on for a project that uses Doom 2 as its base, or if you use an entirely different naming convention like "LEVEL01" for your maps. If you do that, you'll have to use a MAPINFO lump of some kind to properly define all the properties of your levels (not just the music they have).

[limber monolith]

Thanks, do you have a link to the wiki location for this?

[safe steppe]

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_II_music

[whole blade]

Adding in ar luminae by Aurelius, tartarus by rjd and deus vult by huy pham to Arlene's recs

[runic breach]

thanks

[onyx vector]

for anyone who needs it

128x80px

[white saddle]

ok finally map 09 is done, probably my best one yet. have fun

[onyx vector]

here is the entirety of john goodman's x-decathlon because yes

[severe swift]

What is a sidedef?

[whole blade]

One side of a linedef

Contains the information about what texture is applied and where

Among other things

[severe swift]

Oh tramos

[agile shoal]

The anatomy of a wad file is very interesting, my project for university is to understand how it all works. Sidedefs are used for something much more important than textures: getting the linedefs of a sector. Because a linedef can belong to 2 sectors, these sidedefs tell the which sectors are in each side.
So these sidedef are often overlooked and are not known as well as linedefs, but they are a key part of the map structure

So the sidedefs are the missing link between linedefs and the sectors

[onyx vector]

gehegeeheehehge

BIG gun

[safe steppe]

I honestly love the structure of wad files once you understand how it works it's actually very simple yet so powerful

Very interesting read if you're a dev https://doomwiki.org/wiki/WAD

[whole blade]

Sector references on each sidedef are well explored. It's how you make self referencing sectors (both sidedefs point to the sector enclosed by the lines)

[onyx vector]

made my first proper doom-like animation. thoughts?

also the casing dematerialises because i couldnt be bothered to animate it

[runic breach]

shading is required for that doom-y feel

[safe steppe]

If it's meant for a cartoon-ish mod then it's pretty good

[runic breach]

mhm

[safe steppe]

Otherwise I agree it requires shading

[onyx vector]

i suck at shading

[runic breach]

dw, i do too

it's why i don't make sprites

[onyx vector]

i could probably shade in but in pixel studio its way harder than it needs to be

fuck it im pirating aseprite

[shadow trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/534802812719333391/931185824123469894/helicopter.mp4

[crisp dragon]

Ooh

Interesting

[slate turtle]

Op shotgun

[shadow trail]

yeah i should have mentioned that this mod is a semi slaughter house/power fantasy mod thing
and also yeah that shotgun can fire 5 shells at the same time

[white saddle]

[glacial skiff]

PS1/PsyDoom are really neat and interesting to map for

You have to more carefully consider texture choices sometimes to hide warping (like seen on the stargr on the left on that platform), consider memory constraints, be mindful of how much audio you're loading, etc.

(Also worth mentioning is PSXDOOM-RE, hint hint)

[white saddle]

this is genius omg

[rancid cypress]

how do i mod the ultimate doom?

[runic breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34HfmGvUJIM

[rancid cypress]

thank you

[runic breach]

welcome
although doomrunner is better than zdl other than the fact that adding engines is a pain

[rancid cypress]

ok

[rancid cypress]

uhh i dont think GZdoom works with the ultimate doom

[rancid cypress]

nevermind

[torn remnant]

i dont want to come off as rude but this is like straight up a ripoff of my map

[torn remnant]

this room specifically

[safe steppe]

👀 👀 👀

[teal mirage]

i want brutal doom

[runic breach]

shhhhhh
they're going to murder you

[teal mirage]

but i play on ps4 so i cant mod

[safe steppe]

That reminds me I have a ps4 that I can probably play GZDoom on

It wasn't updated in ages so I can jailbreak it

[teal mirage]

[crisp dragon]

The similarities are definitely uncanny

[glacial skiff]

PSX lighting is yummy

Has some limitations but figuring out how to work with the 256 hardcoded sector colors is part of the fun

[torn remnant]

👀

looks fresh!

[glacial skiff]

Screamshots follow

[severe swift]

im going to use doom builder for the first time

[severe swift]

i like it

@glacial skiff how do i delete vertexes on doom builder?

[safe steppe]

Click a vertex and click delete on your keyboard

[severe swift]

thanks

hey @safe steppe how do i make a vertex without closing it?

[safe steppe]

You mean a linedef? You right click or click enter

[severe swift]

no

[haughty flower]

just right click twice

[severe swift]

no

[safe steppe]

You mean just one vertex? Click Ins on your keyboard

[severe swift]

i mean, im trying to make a hall but i cant close it

[haughty flower]

can you post a screenshot?

[severe swift]

well im trying to connect to vertexes

yeah im using windows 7

[safe steppe]

The line between two vertexes is called a linedef, choose the linedef tool then use insert to create a new linedef

[severe swift]

oh thanks

really thanks

[severe swift]

How was the tag for a sr blazing door?

[glacial skiff]

You should probably try exploring the interface at least in a cursory way first before asking those kinds of questions (you can usually very easily solve these yourself)

"How do I (...) a sector?" can probably be answered by going into sector mode and right clicking an existing sector for example

[safe steppe]

Also should probably watch a tutorial first

[severe swift]

Oh ok

[safe steppe]

BTW you should download Ultimate Doom Builder it's a newer version of Doom Builder with a lot of tools that makes things easy

[severe swift]

Oh ok

But i use windows 7

[safe steppe]

I think it still works on win7

if not GZDoom builder is also an option that works on win7

[severe swift]

Ok

[glacial skiff]

Quick protip: press Ctrl+D to immediately enter line drawing mode anywhere

[severe swift]

I ussually use gzdoom as my source port

[severe swift]

Noice

[safe steppe]

Don't worry all doom builders have many formats and can made to work on any doom source port

[severe swift]

Im just trying to make a simple map to start

[glacial skiff]

Another thing I have found helpful, but your mileage may vary: set the grid to 8 and forget it exists as much as possible

[severe swift]

Just making halls with every demon

Its like starter room (with weapons items and some powerups):hall with a demon : another hall with the next demon etc.

In order of the doom 2 final

[edgy mesa]

Anyone here knows how to use Bradwurst Recooked? You can call me an dumbass for not knowing

[severe swift]

I dont even know what is that

[edgy mesa]

Basically replaces all enemies to Nazis

[severe swift]

Oh

[edgy mesa]

Theres diffrent sprites

I want to use the hd ones

[safe steppe]

Download the mod and drag and drop the *.wad or *.pk3 file on GZDoom

[edgy mesa]

Ik how to do that

I want to use the Hd ones

It has multiple sprites

[severe swift]

what does dr/d1 mean?

[safe steppe]

D means Door

R means Repeatable

1 means One Time

DR is a normal door, D1 is a door you open only one time

[severe swift]

oh thanks

i have a rare problem

when i put a door,either it cant be opened or it appears opened even if i dindt touched it

[safe steppe]

can you send the wad file so I can see the problem?

[severe swift]

ues

1 min

aqui esta

@safe steppe

[safe steppe]

alright

you can't create walls and doors using linedefs

you have to create a sector

[severe swift]

ohh

now what

@safe steppe

[safe steppe]

You gotta lower the ceiling of the door until it hits the floor

then give it a texture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlH2LEcIYY

[severe swift]

thank you

it really working

[severe swift]

this is my first wad

[trail steeple]

let's see

[severe swift]

idk how it works

i used doom builder and tested it on gzdoom

it uses doom 2 assets

i tested it on complevel 2

[trail steeple]

2 doors on the map lack textures

[severe swift]

what?

[trail steeple]

yes

they don't have textures on them

[severe swift]

what does it mean?

[trail steeple]

that they don't have textures on them i.e they will be invisible

[severe swift]

oh on what doors?

[trail steeple]

also,there is a HUGE issue

the linedefs on the doors are heading the wrong way

[severe swift]

srry this first map in my entire life

[severe swift]

so?

[trail steeple]

understandable

[severe swift]

but its doable right?

[trail steeple]

since the lindefes are heading the wrong way,the doors won't work

[severe swift]

which doors?

ohh

[trail steeple]

every single door has a linedef going the wrong way

[severe swift]

i know what you mean

when i tested it it could only be open by one side only

[trail steeple]

pro-tip:

putting enemies like archviles,cyberdemons and spider masterminds in such tight spots is not a good idea

[severe swift]

yeah i know

i dont know how to calculate the units

[trail steeple]

what

here,have some tutorials that might help you
https://youtu.be/EucWtn__O8Q
https://youtu.be/6arDCzmhONY

[severe swift]

thanks

maybe i just need more expierence

[trail steeple]

if you ever need help with anything,feel free to ask here

[severe swift]

ok thanks a lot

[glacial skiff]

This started as a generic Doom 64 MAP05 type computer maze and I kinda started thinking about E1M2 somewhere along the way

[upbeat path]

https://twitter.com/majorarlene/status/1482218586508861441?s=20

SHANNON//CANNON 💙 (@majorarlene)

new torches are finally done, and so am I
#doom #modding #gamedev https://t.co/3CawV7X8uy

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Twitter · Jan 15, 2022, 5:10 AM

[stuck vapor]

is this about classic doom map mods or modding in general/

[runic breach]

classic doom maps and mods

[stuck vapor]

aight

so, how do i install project brutality correctly?

[runic breach]

gzdoom

[stuck vapor]

i dragged it onto gzdoom and got to play it for it a lil bit but once i died the game crashed

i couldnt play it again

[runic breach]

tfw

[stuck vapor]

im new to the modding community

[runic breach]

i have no idea how to help
but what was the crash like

[stuck vapor]

like

it just shut off, no "doom is not responding"

very abruptly

[safe steppe]

Make sure you have the latest version of GZDoom

[tepid edge]

Anyone know any gore mods that mimic the style of the gore in the Build engine games like Blood?

[still dagger]

I’m going to do exactly that

[crisp dragon]

Honestly it's not that bad since they can't fit through the doors

Archvile probably can though

[severe swift]

hi

[severe swift]

you want to see the world burn

[still dagger]

what

[severe swift]

i thought you meant to put some strong enemies to f*ck the people

in enclosed rooms

[still dagger]

oh yeah

[trail steeple]

i wouldn't recommend doing this

[trail steeple]

and that's a big issue

[lime needle]

Importing classic map to eternal?

[royal wave]

https://twitter.com/kbeevans/status/1482855291737677824?s=20

kevy (@kbeevans)

Gardevoir. Gardevoir go brrrrrrrrrr. Garde-brrrrrrrrrr.

#Gardevoir #Doom https://t.co/AzeMrDyqkR

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jan 16, 2022, 11:20 PM

[plush cave]

nice

[glacial skiff]

Ok, I like ... literally cannot add any more geometry to this level, lol

[wise drum]

Good lord

There are more polygons there than in resident evil 1

[glacial skiff]

It's that much more stressful on the hardware, too

There is literally no more memory available, at all, anywhere

[crisp dragon]

my god

it's fucking huge

[glacial skiff]

I'm almost positive I'm hammering the 1K dcache for leafs as much as possible too

(There is some limit on the number of leaves that can be drawn because of a memory limitation there)

[royal wave]

is your PC not up to spec? I feel like any software rendering port could handle that

[glacial skiff]

The PS1 is not up to spec for large levels, no

The way the hardware draws the level is fundamentally slightly different from the traditional software renderer and therefore has some more esoteric limitations

[royal wave]

OH you're getting this to run on the PS1?

That's pretty cool!

[glacial skiff]

Toolset is by GEC team, check out Doom Builder PSX if you're interested

So far, no horrific wrecks

Framerate gets dicey occasionally but no crashes in emulator is a good sign

[red zinc]

a view from a map i built

[severe swift]

nice

[severe swift]

it looks like a map from doom on ps1

[carmine chasm]

how do I play a .pke file such as heartland with gzdoom? It says i need to upgrade eternity engine

[glacial skiff]

It literally is

[whole blade]

Eternity engine is a different port. Heartland won't run on gzdoom

[carmine chasm]

ty

[glacial skiff]

Speaking of, I'm looking into releasing that map I've been showing, but there is a specific problem I wanted to ask about regarding it's distribution

I can provide an ISO, which would contain only the minimum data requires to launch and play the one level - is this allowed

(As in literally no other levels or data are included other than what that one level uses)

[safe steppe]

@whole blade ^^

[glacial skiff]

I can alternatively supply an Xdelta or IPS patch or something

(If you're a moderator feel free to ask for the ISO in DMs if you want a look to verify)

[carmine chasm]

I got the eternity engine, when i drag a .pke over it to run it i just get a black console, what am I meant to do?

[whole blade]

An iso of what?

[glacial skiff]

Of my level

[whole blade]

Is it not a doom map?

[glacial skiff]

Yes, for the PS1 version

[whole blade]

So why does it need an iso?

Distribution of any commercial doom content is prohibited

[glacial skiff]

So that people can actually play it - the ISO version contains a bare minimum of what is loaded into video and audio memory when the level is run

[whole blade]

You're not explaining what is in the iso and why it's required to run a doom wad

[glacial skiff]

The alternative is to release an Xdelta patch version or something similar, which isn't impossible to deal with, but is an extra step to get the same thing

The level is literally designed to run on the PS1

As in you actually are intended to make a disc and play it on the PS1

[safe steppe]

Ps1 doom maps dont use wad files I am assuming

[glacial skiff]

They use a bunch of files

The way that version works assumes that a bunch of files which contain basically direct memory uploads of the art and sound required for that one level be situated spatially next to each other on the disc, or in other wordals, distributing an ISO means you cannot use it to play anything but the one level

[whole blade]

Sounds murky to me and therefore above my pay grade so the answer is currently no. You'll have to take it up with an admin

[glacial skiff]

@royal wave

I completely trust you in where this is going, but if you're unsure I'd rather someone definitively say no

[safe steppe]

If its not allowed here a good idea is to share it on doomworld

[wispy relic]

from what I've seen in the Fire Emblem community, ROM hacks and stuff are distributed as patches like this

that way people aren't sharing the actual ROM file or any of the assets

[glacial skiff]

Fundamentally because of the way PS1 Doom works I literally have to share the copyrighted assets no matter what

[wispy relic]

it's much the same as making a PWAD with just the level architecture and thing placement, and not the actual assets/resources from the IWAD included

[glacial skiff]

Even in patch form I have to distribute the texture, sprite and sound files

This is actually required unfortunately

[wispy relic]

then it sounds like you may be SOL in legal terms if there's no way around it

[whole blade]

This is a hard no then

[glacial skiff]

Then I just can't release my map 🤷‍♂️

[whole blade]

Legally? No

[safe steppe]

Doomworld :)

[whole blade]

Which means it can't be posted here

[wispy relic]

eh even on doomworld I don't think this would fly

[whole blade]

You can't post copyrighted assets on doomworld either

Speaking as a doomworld moderator c:

[safe steppe]

It has copyrighted stuff?

[glacial skiff]

My distaste for Doomworld notwithstanding anyway

[wispy relic]

could make your own site to host it or something ofc, b/c I really don't see the copyright holder for PSX doom going after you

but yeah prob can't share it in places like this directly

[safe steppe]

Can u replace assets with freedoom perhaps?

[glacial skiff]

My map is made for a version of the game that requires that the needed assets be packed into a special format to be loaded in a special way at runtime - it doesn't work like having a single IWAD and just supplying a map replacement

[carmine chasm]

I got the eternity engine, when i drag a .pke over it to run it i just get a black console, what am I meant to do?

[glacial skiff]

Imagine making a map where all you use is BROWN1 -- you must therefore supply BROWN1 in a special separate archive

[royal wave]

The solution to this would have to be providing instructions on how to patch it into the .iso

[glacial skiff]

To be clear, even a patch must contain some copyrighted content, even if unusable without a real copy of the game - is this acceptable?

[royal wave]

As much of a legally grey area distributing games that are no longer sold, the doom community at large strongly believes in legally acquiring the games, and we have to enforce that here being official

[royal wave]

What copyrighted content is in it

[glacial skiff]

The textures, sprites and sounds absolutely required to run the map and no more

This is, again, because of how the PS1 version works

[royal wave]

the textures in of themselves are stored in the map?

[glacial skiff]

Basically in simple terms, yes

[royal wave]

That I find hard to believe

Assuming the PS1 port still uses .wads, the map components are separate entities from the assets it uses

[glacial skiff]

It is true - look in your PSX Doom CD and you will find that each map has an accompanying texture sprite and sound archive

Called mapspr##, mapsnd## and maptex##

[royal wave]

I'll investigate this

[glacial skiff]

Thank you for hearing me out

[royal wave]

But, as it stands now: Distribution is not okay, so I am sorry

if your statement stands true

[safe steppe]

@glacial skiff is it not possible to replace the textures and other assets?

Maybe with something like freedoom?

[glacial skiff]

Impossible unfortunately, as there is no way of converting between the PS1's unique asset formats

[safe steppe]

Darn it

[glacial skiff]

Even if I did that could change how memory is allocated which would break everything (I'm running the PS1 at it's absolute limit)

[crisp dragon]

you can't play pke files on GZDoom

also, you have to run it via command console

run the Eternity Engine executable, put in -file heartland.pke, and then run it

then it'll allow you to select an IWAD, and then you'll be able to play it

[royal wave]

Don't know what you're doing wrong @glacial skiff but the maps are 100 percent separate from the textures

[carmine chasm]

cant enter text

[glacial skiff]

The maps will not run at all without their accompanying archives

[royal wave]

Then whatever tools you are using are incomplete

[glacial skiff]

The IWAD is not used for this purpose because the PS1 version made special concessions regarding asset loading from disc

[royal wave]

I'm looking at the disc directory right now

it's all separate

each map is a separate wad

[glacial skiff]

Yes, but please listen to what I'm saying

The archives you see labeled mapspr##, maptex##, and mapsnd## are level specific; the IWAD is not used from the disc for those purposes

They are in fact required to run each level and are not interchangeable in any way

[royal wave]

which are also separate files

[crisp dragon]

hm

[glacial skiff]

Yes, and if I use the stock maptex01.img then the game will refuse to run because the assets are not laid out correctly

Same for any of the other files

[royal wave]

Definitely sounds like the modding tools you're using are incomplete

[glacial skiff]

This is literally the way the engine works :/

Ask any of the GEC guys, or the developer of PsyDoom, or Fabien Sanglard if you prefer

[royal wave]

It's not going to change that it's distribution of copyrighted assets

Which aren't under protection of the same "good faith" clause the PC port of Doom had

[glacial skiff]

That isn't my contention, you just seemed to not want to understand why I am having this problem to begin with

[wispy relic]

have you ever opened command prompt before

[carmine chasm]

Idk what that is

[wispy relic]

On Windows operating system, click on the Start menu and type 'cmd'

should get something like this to pop up

alternatively on older versions of Windows, you should have an "Accessories" folder in your Start menu
Command Prompt should also be available there

[carmine chasm]

Oh yeah that thing

And then I enter whatever into there?

[wispy relic]

You'll need to type the path to the exe file for Eternity
For example, for the file path to my GZDoom exe, I can get it real easily by finding it in the File Explorer and clicking on the bar at the top:

"C:\GZDoom" is the folder with the exe, so the path to the exe itself is:
"C:\GZDoom\GZDoom.exe"

[wispy relic]

You'll get the proper path for Eternity on your computer, copy it into the command prompt, and then copy the "-file" stuff mentioned here as well

It should be one long line that looks something like this before you hit enter

[crisp dragon]

Yeah like that

[wispy relic]

Also, to be careful, put the Eternity folder somewhere that the file path doesn't have any spaces in it

For example, if you have it in a folder named "My Games", either rename that folder to something like "Games" or just put it somewhere else entirely

[carmine chasm]

Cheers 👍

[distant terrace]

hi folks... im back in another classic doom cycle 😄
if i want to learn mapping, what are some good general resources? i know a fair bit of the terminology but you know...dunning-kruger effect etc
(i don't mean forums, don't want to spam questions constantly. more like a website or tutorial that really takes you through the basics)

[trail steeple]

you can always ask about stuff in this channel

as of tutorials,i have some
https://youtu.be/EucWtn__O8Q
https://youtu.be/6arDCzmhONY

[distant terrace]

Thank you so much! This is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for ❤️

[severe swift]

hey guys how do you recomend making a slaughter map?

[twilit monolith]

I would say go for it! I think slaughter maps are quite fun 🙂 Unless its Okuplok Difficulty

[flat pebble]

Personally I'd follow the this "style":
-have weapons match the enemy or be higher than(Don't pit people against 10 cyberdeamons with only a super shotgun). Scale it with enemy count.
-don't do "very" small spaces(Imo)
-don't go overboard on powerups.

[severe swift]

ok

[crisp dragon]

You can look at other slaughtermaps and see how they style it

A few good examples imo is Scythe's Map26, Fear, and Micro Slaughter Community Project(MSCP)

[glacial skiff]

Geometry-only playtest release of my PSX map, "Silent Outpost"

You will need to find a way to generate the soundbank and DRAM uploads yourself

You must specifically replace map01.wad (with this file), maptex01.img and mapspr01.img with the appropriate uploads, and map01.lcd with the soundbank

[whole blade]

Good slaughter maps are the hardest maps to make in doom imo. It's very easy for them to degenerate into either mindless grindfests or dull circle strafe parties. When setting up encounters try to think about pressure points on the player. Where are you attacking them from? Where are you putting resources? How are you making them hard to reach? What are the goals and objectives of the fight? Where are you putting cover? Painsectors for area denial? How are you using height variance? Which monsters are coming from where and how quickly are they attacking the player?

[glacial skiff]

It's always worth considering even things like using lighting to draw the player's eyes and using contrast to highlight important items, even in big scale slaughters

Or hell, even using darkness to make the slaughter itself nontrivial

[whole blade]

I'd put that under broad good level design rather than specific to slaughter. Definitely do no neglect light variance to highlight points of interest and create atmosphere. Dark areas can make threats more mysterious and foreboding as well

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, for sure! What I'm saying basically applies anywhere, but I know I need to be reminded of lighting specifically so I figured I'd mention it

[whole blade]

Also study good slaughter maps. Sunder, Bastion of Chaos, Ar Luminae, Abandon etc

[whole blade]

Useful post from Ribbiks
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/69457-slaughter-map-making-tips/#comment-1289545

[glacial skiff]

I was not aware until just now the PS1 engine could do the Doom 64 style 3D trickery, but now I think I'm going to have some fun :^)

[crisp dragon]

ooh that's cool

[plush cave]

finally playing this amazing mod

[plush cave]

there will be a chainsaw on ghag?

[runic breach]

what mod is this

[plush cave]

sorry i didnt respond https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=72802

kevansevans did it

[runic breach]

cool mod

[haughty flower]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/entropic-doom

[crisp dragon]

👀

[severe swift]

download link plsss

[royal wave]

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=72802

However latest stable isn't the version pictured

[severe swift]

thanks

[haughty flower]

a funny I did with boom

[severe swift]

nice

i will use voodo dolls to make doors with multiple switches to open

[plush cave]

that would be cool for multiplayer

[haughty flower]

I'm planning on possibly adding multiplayer support at some point

[haughty flower]

I will post a video of it in the morning but
I have figured out how to do fake room-over-room in boom format
my power is growing

[whole blade]

height transfers have been able to do that for a while

[glacial skiff]

Just wait until they discover Boom script :^)

[haughty flower]

already have :)

[glacial skiff]

I wonder if anyone's reimplemented ACS using that method

That would be a fucking bananas tech demo

[haughty flower]

that would be cool to see, actually

anyways, here is the video of the room over room thingy i did

[plush cave]

so it teleports you

[plush cave]

will they replace the torture blade?

[royal wave]

They will

[severe swift]

can i make a texture strech?

like, i can make them strech to the sector floor instead of repeating itselF

[upbeat path]

If you're in udmf, yes, otherwise no

[severe swift]

udmf?

[glacial skiff]

TEXTURES is another possibility, but if you're using TEXTURES then you can also use UDMF anyway

[severe swift]

hey how do i make a sector without ceiling?

[safe steppe]

Use F_SKY texture on the ceiling

[severe swift]

oh thanks

im making a slaughter map and if you are playing on hard you can only have a backpack in secret wall

fuck i dont have it

[runic breach]

mod that makes damage a set value instead of RNG-based?

even better if it uses dehacked

but i'm fine with playing in gzdoom

[safe steppe]

idk

[haughty flower]

so im working on a new map

[glacial skiff]

Suggestion

Set the grid to 8 units and just ignore the 64px boundaries [for the most part]

I see what you're trying to do and I'm all about it

[flat pebble]

how do you change the default grid size? somehow mine accidently got stuck at 1x1 no matter what I zoom in/out too.

nvm found it

but it still doesn't "change" the size when I zoom in/out found it also(dynamic grid size)

[glacial skiff]

[ and ]

[distant terrace]

gotta question. i'm using a weapons pack and would like to add a quick melee. i remember from some years ago that would basically mean adding an alt-fire to each gun, right?
(note: purely for my own use, not planning to redistribute)

[glacial skiff]

Not necessarily

That is certainly the easiest way to do it, but using ZScript you can directly check if buttons are being pressed iirc

[torn remnant]

biblical violence

[haughty flower]

Hi all I was wondering if someone could help me regarding a doom wad I have
it is v17 and I cant find info on the wad other then wad archive where I got it from
maybe there is coding wrong inside ( I am not coder) just a thing I thought it could be

[distant terrace]

gave it some more thought! got recommended some super solid videos recently when i asked about mapmaking, so i'll just toss this one out there. what's the best way to get into zscript?

(clarification: i'm someone who likes to tinker with stuff so learning-by-doing, videos, etc, are all good w/ me. if there's a specific place I should go for Zscript stuff, i'll gladly be pointed in the right direction)

[distant terrace]

also -- how do I use shaders with GZdoom? i'm so enchanted by capabilities of the engine

[whole blade]

https://github.com/jekyllgrim/ZScript_Basics

[distant terrace]

Thank you! Doom community is awesome

[haughty flower]

just made this pistol pickup

it's called the handyman

[severe swift]

pretty cool

[runic breach]

*very cool

[haughty flower]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/entropic-doom/downloads/entropic-doom-1-0-offical-release

[shadow trail]

working on one of my early hell maps

[plush cave]

that looks cool

[shadow trail]

much obliged

[distant terrace]

ok i just tried it!
looks snazzy, could use some more animation frames though?

[old panther]

oh no its "for dummies guy"

[distant terrace]

well, i had no idea this existed but it was exactly what i was looking for

omg slade3 is amazing.
it supports ALL THE THINGS!
can't wait to start tinkerin' & tweakin'!

where would i go to look at what "makes" a good texture pack? (i.e. what does it need?) i think my partner Dagmar would like to hand draw some hieronymous bosch salvador dali stuffs

[shadow trail]

yeah slade3 is the best for modding currently

by modding i mean adding custom content or changing stuff etc

[distant terrace]

like, how are the files organized

btw I bit the bullet and bought doom 3 bfg edition, doom64, doom16/eternal, can't even run it properly on this tack-and-balls-PC but DAMN the setttings change things around

money well spent

i support what this game has brought modding

one day. i will merge DOOM and openTTD

[trail steeple]

and you are telling me this is doom

[crisp dragon]

Ye, it's UDMF

[shadow trail]

yep a udmf map

[flat pebble]

A couple questions regarding mods:(I am using GZDOOM)
-first and foremost what is the best way to play/install them? I'm looking to run and play Bloom(GZDOOM mod that merges blood and doom together and is pretty cool)
-Second, when it comes to multiplayer, how do I run a modded lan "server"(I have gotten lan to work with zandronum, just don't know how to do modded setup)
-lastly how do I make/create levels based around a mod? I'd love to include a sniper riffle/scoped weapons in my current map I've been working on.

[safe steppe]

1. Using GZDoom is the best option for mods, simply drag and drop your mods onto GZDoom or use a Doom launcher to make the process easier and more flexible
2. Run doomseeker that's included with Zandronum then create a server and choose all the mods you want, if you want to connect to the server from another device just make sure to load the same mods and it will work (you can use the connect command if the server doesn't appear on doomseeker)
3. When you first open a map or create a new one in Ultimate Doom Builder it asks you which resources you want to load, other than the doom/doom2 iwad file you should also add whatever mod you want to work with and it hopefully should automatically add the mods assets and monsters/guns

[flat pebble]

how do you remove the mod if you drag and drop them onto GZDOOM?

remove/disable*

[safe steppe]

It automatically disables mods when you exit the game

Next time you launch it there won't be any mods until you drag and drop them again

[flat pebble]

Also is the only thing you need from the download the pk file? because bloom downloads a bunch of others

turns out bloom also installs gzdoom for you.... yikes

lol time to delete all that

[glacial skiff]

You might wish to invest the extra time to create shortcuts (or scripts, as the case may be) containing whatever mod lists you wish to keep around

Anything is better than drag-and-drop imo

[safe steppe]

I believe the newer doom launchers allow you to do that as well

[royal wave]

https://twitter.com/kbeevans/status/1485741364109209602?s=20

kevy (@kbeevans)

Context sensitive kinesis ability for my #Gardevoir #Doom mod (In dev footage, not final) https://t.co/DwrJ0Ac5aQ

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jan 24, 2022, 10:28 PM

[glacial skiff]

That feel when obvious cache fragmentation problem :)))

[glacial skiff]

Late-beta of my first PSX level. To prevent any amount of fuss from the unaware, this is an Xdelta patch against the NTSC version of ABIN/PSXDOOM.WAD. It will from there create a stand-alone disc image to play the level

As far as I'm aware, this patch doesn't allow unauthorized distribution of copyrighted IWAD stuff (e.g. you need to provide your own IWAD anyway, so...)

[flat pebble]

||barrels o' fun, now that levels gotta be barrels o' really fun||

[flat pebble]

where do you choose the mods at in it?

[wispy relic]

alright, so for the more advanced (G)ZDoom modders here, how can I get airborne bullets to render their sprites like this?

compared to how when I tried to implement it and it still used the regular sprite rotations

[royal wave]

Peruse a forum that's centered around Doom modding. Doomworld has a section, ZDoom centralizes on it, and there's always the id Games archive where you can play roulette with what wads you download

[royal wave]

The bullet sprite that's pictured here is using the XScale value to stretch itself longer

Alternatively, you can just go into your favorite photo editing program and stretch it yourself

[wispy relic]

Nah, that's not what I mean. One sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ00BnDP500

This is what I want them to look like

[royal wave]

What mod is this, so I can dig up the appropriate flags

[wispy relic]

It's brutal doom v19

[royal wave]

oh dear, that's some unfriendly code you're having to parse

[crisp dragon]

^

[wispy relic]

I already went poking around in it, but didn't find anything in the actor definition that seemed like it would do this

[crisp dragon]

all that spaghet code

it's gonna be a sans time

[royal wave]

My best guess it it's using +FloorSprite and setting the actor's pitch based on the player's pitch

[wispy relic]

I ripped the sprites and decorate code for the bullets wholecloth, but when I implemented them in a separate wad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIViHh4sw3k

no dice 😔

[royal wave]

The sprites properties are definitely being changed outside of those classes

Also, some advice, I would strongly recommend making your stuff from scratch if you're not familiar with Doom modding

I know it seems like a good idea to borrow other already working examples, but it's a lot harder getting things to work the way you want if you don't know how the source works to begin with

GZDoom mods do not blend together like a smoothie

[wispy relic]

Ah yeah, I'm not new or unfamiliar with this by any means, don't worry

That's mostly what's making this so frustrating for me lol

[flat pebble]

I meant when setting up the server, didn't realize you put the pk file in the same place as you put wads.

[wispy relic]

wait, I've figured it out
it uses a 3D model

[wispy relic]

YES

okay, so I had to find the model definition and associated files, and restructure the WAD into a pk3

But I've got it working

[plush cave]

nice

i like tea

[runic breach]

br*tish

[trail steeple]

ZDL is a thing

[runic breach]

DoomRunner is a thing

[glacial skiff]

Never been worth using for my use cases

[runic breach]

ZDL is always worth it wdym

[crisp dragon]

ZDL to many people is messy, clunky, looks outdated, and unuseful

Vull calls it a "glorified command prompt"

[runic breach]

that's what it is

[runic breach]

it's all of those except for unuseful

doomrunner is still better

[crisp dragon]

in all honesty I'm just waiting for PBeGood4's crossplatform doom launcher which is probably better than anything we have at the moment

[runic breach]

but ZDL really helps with loading mods

[runic breach]

doomrunner would be perfect if i didn't have to edit the actual json file to add a new engine

[crisp dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727127304555331585/890648728304746526/Screenshot_2021-09-23_at_18.19.57.jpg

looks like this

[runic breach]

it looks good

honestly though the thing i want the most is a launcher that looks video-gamey

[glacial skiff]

I have been using the command line to load mods for 20 years, ZDL and the like just don't speak to me like they might newer players is all

Like, yes, I could download ZDL or some such, but -file ... -iwad ... works just fine too

Put yourself in my place: you know basically all of the important command like parameters for the major source ports by heart, so is it lazier in practice to press Windows+R and type "I:/Doom/GZDoom -file..." or download a program and configure it to do the same thing

[runic breach]

i could do that

but i can start the game faster with ZDL

[glacial skiff]

Missing my point

[distant terrace]

coming back to AGAIN thank the person who recommended me SLADE3, this is similar to the C&C mixer (for westwood RTS) stuff where one program can handle all file types in archives. THANKS. this is so intuitive to use!!

lovely work ❤️

i was wondering, those weapon/reload sprites (smoothened and/or interpolated) are some of the most used pixels on the internet. how do people modify that kinda stuff?
pixel bash till it looks good? i see some mods just rotate/tilt etc

is there like a base set that people draw from and modify? i keep encountering the same(-ish) MP40, MG42, etc etc in all kinds of projects

[glacial skiff]

MP40 likely comes from ROTT

[whole blade]

good sprite artists are not super common so you'll find the same sprites popping up in projects over the years. sometimes slightly altered, sometimes not. every now and then something top tier gets released and then those sprites flood the modding scene (anything be Amuscaria fits that bill).
Aseprite is the best/most used program to create from scratch from what i've seen but any pixel editing program can do the job

and if you're using gzdoom there are a bunch of functions that allow you to roll, tilt etc existing sprites which can make it easier to interpolate frames without having to manually create new sprites

oh and then there's ripped assets

[glacial skiff]

I endorse Grafx2 and GIMP for what that's worth

[safe steppe]

Gimp can do pixel art?

[glacial skiff]

Yes??

[safe steppe]

what I never knew

[glacial skiff]

Press N, click sliders on toolbox, select size=1 and brush type "pixel"

[distant terrace]

thinking about adding a BioMenace class (Snake Logan) for my FinalDoomer+

[safe steppe]

I've always used paint dot net even though I had GIMP installed 🤦‍♂️

[distant terrace]

ripper chaingun, grenades, plasma bolts, etc

[polar terrace]

do you know how to mod doom 2 from the microsoft store?

[safe steppe]

if it's the unity port you can't mod it, however you can use a source port usch as GZDoom

[flat pebble]

For brutal doom, when hosting a server what are the deathmatch exclusive maps marked as(Like if you're hosting, you choose a starting map like MAP01 or MAP03 ect...)

also can't figure out how to disable bots on zandronum

[whole blade]

they have to be enabled

they're off by default

[flat pebble]

Figured it out, for some reason it lets you switch to deathmatch maps in multiplayer(while on the server)-which they have bots. Found the format(It's like BDDM01 or something idr) for the deathmatch levels via console and set them to starting level which those didn't have bots.

[royal wave]

https://fxtwitter.com/kbeevans/status/1486447209281298435?s=20

[flat pebble]

For mod addons, how do you install those? same as a regular mod? As I'm trying to load a sniper riffle one for brutal doom and doesn't seem to work(will grab error message in a momment)

"10 errors while parsing DECORATE scripts"

[severe swift]

3

[red zinc]

something from my megawad

still far from getting done.

[severe swift]

cool

really cool @red zinc

[glacial skiff]

Be wary of lots of tiny details popping out or sinking into the floor; that changes the physics and can introduce really annoying navigational quirks

[whole blade]

Generally, yes. You just add them to your load order. Specially? Varies massively based on the quality and fidelity of the mod. 10 errors indicates the mod is broken

[severe swift]

what?

[whole blade]

Do I need to get you a dictionary to help you understand the English language

[severe swift]

i dont mod my game

and i talk in spanish

[whole blade]

Good thing I was replying to someone else then isn't it

[severe swift]

oh

[wispy relic]

alright, I come posing another GZDoom question

Is there a way that I can make it where weapons are not picked up automatically when a player walks over them, but they instead have to press a key as well to do so?

[severe swift]

i dont think so

[severe swift]

but why, why would you do that?

[wispy relic]

non TL;DR version
Right now I'm working on making a large weapon set to be used for deathmatch, and one of the things I want to do is have the player restricted to carrying only one gun per weapon slot (1-9). For example, they can have the pistol, shotgun, chaingun, and plasma gun in their inventory concurrently since they use different weapon slots, but they can't have the shotgun and the super shotgun at the same time since they're both in slot 3. I've managed to get this part working fairly well mechanically by forcing the player to drop any other weapons from the same slot whenever they switch to a given weapon.

However, this can be a little frustrating in practice since the player will automatically pick up weapons that they don't have in their inventory when they come across them, which isn't a problem normally, but it can make something of a feedback loop if (for example) the player picks up the Super Shotgun -> drops the regular Shotgun -> waits a second before moving -> inadvertently picks up and switches to the regular Shotgun, dropping the Super Shotgun in the process.

in a deathmatch/last one standing scenario especially, I want the player to be able to amass a larger arsenal of weapons than the usual 2 in most FPS games these days, but I also don't want them to be able to hoard resources

so I thought limiting it to one weapon per slot (with 3-4 different weapons per slot available) would be a good way of handling it

[whole blade]

Yes there is. Pretty supercharge does this (it's a toggleable option)

[wispy relic]

Are you familiar with how it's implemented?

[whole blade]

Just about anything is possible with zscript

No idea lol. I'm not a coder

[wispy relic]

ah ffff

zscript is my bane; I'm much more comfortable with Decorate

[whole blade]

You're better off asking in a more specialized mapping discord

It might be possible with decorate?

[wispy relic]

Would you be able to point me in such a direction? I thought that Doomworld would have its own "official" discord server, but it doesn't 😔

[whole blade]

I'll dm you some options in a sec

[wispy relic]

cool

[glacial skiff]

I don't think I expressed in the other place how much I really like your use of MODWALL*

[severe swift]

i think im going to make a map of parkour with archivle jumps only

[trail steeple]

any tips into getting back to doom modding

[safe steppe]

Open doom builder, have some music playing, start mapping away, if you lack inspiration look at other people's work

[glacial skiff]

Repeating previous advice: set the grid to 8 units and just kind of ignore the 64-pixel guides, see what you come up with

Try unconventional shapes

[whole blade]

1. Get UDB
2. Draw some lines
3. Fuck around
4. Find out

No substitute for just diving back in

[severe swift]

try making a slaughter map or a simple one

like just fool around with enemies

[haughty flower]

Making a sandbox version for doom

A sandbox mod where u can spawn anything and build anything

Monsters and weapons design will be updated

[severe swift]

im going to make a test map

and a bit sandbox too

[haughty flower]

good

[plush cave]

nice, i always wanted a big map to test things

[severe swift]

how do i make a switch?

[glacial skiff]

Attach any effect prefixed S1 or SR to a line and give it a switch texture (typically starts with SW1 or SW2)

[severe swift]

prefixed¿

[distant terrace]

care to share links? i'd like to lurk n learn

[charred haven]

Love this

[shadow trail]

i did make the flatgrass from gmod in doom before

i think that map is also useful for texting stuff

i meant this

[simple wigeon]

Who's the fecking sadist that made Sunder?

[haughty flower]

Insane_Gazebo

[simple wigeon]

Like Holy shit. Map fecking One.

Lmao.

[whole blade]

lol you're gonna be cursing the gods by the time you get to map 16

[haughty flower]

Gmod with Classic Doom? Nice.

[remote widget]

holy shit...

i was able to play it.

[runic breach]

what map

[haughty flower]

How?

[crisp dragon]

isn't that... windows doom?

i forgot but I faintly remember something like that

[wispy relic]

Is that #1DWANGO from the maximum levels

[haughty flower]

It's something called DOOM: pack 2 or something

I think dwars made a video on it I don't remember

[severe swift]

[haughty flower]

[severe swift]

key

[haughty flower]

Ye.

[trail steeple]

i don't remember map01 this way

[runic breach]

the mandela effect

[remote widget]

yep it's DOOM PACK II, now i will now find a way to get those maps.

[remote widget]

yes.

i got the main appx from this website store.rg-adguard.net, i usually got the game link thanks to those guys who played it back then and added the link to the game, after that i installed the game but... i had the 0x80 error, months later i founded it out now, i just that certificate file thingy and i reinstalled the game it worked.

[trail bolt]

get UDB and watch a shit ton of tutorials

[wispy relic]

I have successfully made a BFG ball that fires tendrils like the quake 2/doom 3 iteration

Things are finally coming along smoothly now with this deathmatch weapon set

[crisp dragon]

Nice

[flat pebble]

what are some popular deathmatch maps for brutal doom(outside of what it comes with) or russian overkill

[pseudo pendant]

hm

wack

[haughty flower]

He plays too? :0

[runic breach]

of course

[fallen panther]

Yes because even the one who died for our sins enjoys smiting the wicked

[runic breach]

what do you think jesus did in the 3 days that he was in hell after getting crucified

[quick crag]

Mass demon slaughter

[slate basalt]

SPOILER: Jesus is the Doom Slayer

[glacial skiff]

:)

[haughty flower]

hehe
also yo what editor is this?👀

cool little thing i did

[glacial skiff]

UDB

Here's the raw colors, I've been playing with them to semi-imitate the SLADE light theme

[haughty flower]

damn, for real!?
I thought it was like
wadauthor

[glacial skiff]

WadAuthor is ... how do I put this

I've used WadAuthor a lot and it was my first Doom editor, but I'm not fucking going back to it. Period

It was great for 1999-2004 or so, but then Doom Builder came out and honestly WA became instantly obsolete

[haughty flower]

yeah, true

[turbid silo]

What do people actually use to make maps these days? It's been a long time for me, last one i used was Doom builder 2 and apparently there's been a GZDoom builder that came out since then?

[flat pebble]

Ultimate doom builder

[glacial skiff]

I would actually recommend SLADE before UDB for most use cases, unless you make specific use of GZ features a lot

[turbid silo]

Thanks! I use dont use slade that often tbh

[upbeat path]

I mean if you're using UDMF format the grid rotate function at the very least is super useful

[glacial skiff]

I don't recommend sticking to the base grid at all anyway