classic-doom-maps-mods

[unkempt tartan]

pretty much, I make people think something is going to come out of the large box in the middle of the room, but then suddenly the wall opens up behind them and BOOM Mancubus

[trail steeple]

sounds like a good idea

[unkempt tartan]

yeah, here's an example

[trail steeple]

imma send over the newest version of my wad if anyone wants to try it out,spot some bugs and give me ideas

[trail steeple]

Requires GZdoom because slopes,adviced to play on H,NTR or HMP. DOOM 2 required

[unkempt tartan]

so, you can see on the left and right bottom corners, I have some monsters

[trail steeple]

ah yes,monster closets my beloved

[unkempt tartan]

indeed

so BOTH of those open with one switch in the top left corner

but then also allows you to open the top door in that small room

THAT switch opens not only the large box in the middle of that tiny room where you're literally face to face with a mancubus

but also releases monsters just outside that you need to deal with on your way out or even while you're combatting the mancubus

seriously, people don't seem to realize how being in a cramped space with those fat bastards can be something of a death sentence if you don't act very quickly

[trail steeple]

one person in this chat doesn't understand that at all

ultimatebingus.wad moment

[unkempt tartan]

o.o'

[trail steeple]

so if you are going to try my wad i posted up there i hope you'll have fun playing it

[unkempt tartan]

I've downloaded it

and may try it with Brutal Doom as well XD

and you said it was with GZDoom?

I got GZDoom and played it on Doom 2

[trail steeple]

gzdoom is cool

[unkempt tartan]

it didn't work

[trail steeple]

wait what

[quiet oasis]

gzdoom is not doom

[safe steppe]

maybe you don't have the doom2 iwad in the gzdoom folder

[unkempt tartan]

I do

I even selected Doom 2

[trail steeple]

hm,weird

maybe try without brutal doom ?

[unkempt tartan]

I didn't do it on Brutal Doom, just GZDoom

[trail steeple]

wait hold on

it runs properly for me

[unkempt tartan]

hmmmmmm

strange

[trail steeple]

something is wrong and i can feel it

wait i'll try DM'ing you the file

[unkempt tartan]

kk

while we're at it, here's Doom: Necromancer

[safe steppe]

For me it works too

[safe steppe]

Maybe it's not compatible with zandronum ?

[trail steeple]

YES i just noticed he uses zanondronum

[safe steppe]

although technically zandronum is based on gzdoom

[unkempt tartan]

There

I got it working by dragging and dropping it directly into the GZDoom file

[trail steeple]

that's zandronum

not gzdoom

but at least you got it to work

[trail steeple]

👍

[trail steeple]

where is your hud

[unkempt tartan]

lol truth be told I have tried to get it to show, but for some reason it just won't

what options do I use to change that?

[trail steeple]

i may know what the issue is

go to options

then here

and set it this way

[unkempt tartan]

is it just me

or did you remove the pinkies' eyes?

[safe steppe]

yeah he did lmao

[trail steeple]

not every pinky lacks eyes

the ones without behave differently

the blind ones basically attack anything that makes a sound

and are faster than normal ones

[unkempt tartan]

yup that worked

[unkempt tartan]

uh yeah, I noticed

ugh, your map is so ammo starving >.<

[safe steppe]

is it really? I had 200 bullets and 100 shells by map2

[unkempt tartan]

I mean at the beginning

oh wow, it's shorter than expected

[trail steeple]

forgot to note: MAP04 doesn't have a exit yet

[unkempt tartan]

well you definitely have the whole unit modding thing down better than I do

Okay, now I see what it is

it's not ammo starving, it just keeps automatically reverting back to the axe when I run out of ammo for a gun

so it just looks like I don't have any ammo left, is that supposed to happen?

[trail steeple]

i didn't make the map with intent of leaving the player with no ammo

also a small advice: try looking around for black candles on the floor

they always indicate something

[unkempt tartan]

ooooo spooky

and I love how you put in a full demon rather than a Cyberdemon

it's so weird to see him use a slower fireball attack

[trail steeple]

i didn't want to make it too hard

[unkempt tartan]

not at that stage

but it was the end of the level, so a demon like that is warranted

you get brownie points for that

[trail steeple]

i may go with the idea of that demon coming back in stronger versions,so like first is that one withn o cyber augments,then it becomes the cyberdemon and then even stronger as the final/semifinal boss

[unkempt tartan]

that is a very good idea

[trail steeple]

glad you like it

which level are you on now ?

[unkempt tartan]

oh crap... uuhhh

Map 3 I think

[trail steeple]

just name a location from it

[unkempt tartan]

yeah map 3

[trail steeple]

yup,that's map 3

just wanted to ask:why aren't you playing in a big window instead of this small one ?

[unkempt tartan]

force of habit at this point

this room almost fucking killed me, I proudly YET ANGERLY give you kudos for that

[trail steeple]

i think i should add some medkits to that room

[unkempt tartan]

well I also used medkits from the room before it

so there's actually a good equilibrium to it already without having to add more

that's one thing I learned VERY quickly is that the answer to your problems isn't always in just one room

[trail steeple]

agreed

i may need to change one room in map04 because imo it's a bit too tight

[trail steeple]

question: where the hell is your ammo

[unkempt tartan]

lol I kind of panicked for a second there

I got trigger happy as hell when I accidentally lowered an entire fucking HORDE into the room along with what remained of the former horde

that was entirely my fault though

what is YOUR fault, though, is the damn archvile!!!

shaaaaaaame on youuuuuu <<<<<<(used 2 archviles in Necro)

[trail steeple]

[unkempt tartan]

I open the door and just say "NOPE!" Close door

[trail steeple]

i put the invis sphere there for a reason

also,there is a big-ass switch that allows you to get a megasphere

[unkempt tartan]

I use in-fighting instead, then start circle strafing once they thin the herd a bit XD

[safe steppe]

Invis sphere in this instance would be a powerdown

[trail steeple]

oh

[unkempt tartan]

and yes, I got the megasphere, thanks for that

[trail steeple]

so should i remove it and add something else ?

[safe steppe]

Invisiblity is good for hitscan

but for projectiles it makes dodging hard

[unkempt tartan]

because they fire wherever and you're hit with a wall of fireballs and projectiles

[trail steeple]

gotta change that i guess

[trail steeple]

so what would be a great replacement for that sphere

i dunno,a box of shells maybe ?

[unkempt tartan]

a box of ammo, probably

Chainguns work well in a room like that

[unkempt tartan]

Have you tried Necromancer yet?

[trail steeple]

oh shoot i forgot

[unkempt tartan]

it's cool

[unkempt tartan]

it's right under this message

that's a cool effect

[trail steeple]

note:in one of the rooms in map4 there will be a corpse with a gun in it,just press the use key on it

[trail steeple]

slopes in gzdoom are epic

[unkempt tartan]

k, I gotta ask, who are these guys?

[trail steeple]

those are the so-called "Heavy Carbine Dudes"

they use a cool weapon which they drop

and they have a very small chance of dropping a damaged mega-armor

[unkempt tartan]

why have I not encountered a live one?

[trail steeple]

they are yet to appear alive in a map

[trail steeple]

for now i decided to just put them dead here and there to show the player they are going to appear,at least my brain has this in mind

[unkempt tartan]

that's good foreshadowing

am I to assume this is the last of the level?

[trail steeple]

for now yes

[unkempt tartan]

well, bravo, bro, this was a lot of fun

I love how your maps work and I love the buildup you have instead of just bringing in horde after horde

your monster closets aren't HARD to see coming but some of them are pretty damn hard to react to on certain occasions

I especially love the custom monsters in this. I know they come from other sets and such but you use them very well and I found myself curious to see more of them

not to mention, you only used about as many archviles as I used in my 3 maps so far

[trail steeple]

i don't like to use very strong enemies randomly

[unkempt tartan]

Now, a few things I would change is you seem to have a lot of Doodads in your early levels that I think kind of crowd the rooms on occasion

they crowd the room a bit

[trail steeple]

fun fact: map01 of this wad was my third ever map made in doom

[unkempt tartan]

also, I don't like the axe. I don't know if you meant for it to be more challenging than the chainsaw, which I get, but I really am not a fan of it at all. The delay and all that seems intentional of course, but that doesn't help me XD

map01 of Necromancer was my second!

[safe steppe]

Yeah the axe sucks imo

[unkempt tartan]

my first map was a test map XD

[trail steeple]

i added the axe just to give the player a weapon that one of the zombie type uses

i can see it's balls

[safe steppe]

The delay from the moment you click to the moment you actually do damage is too high

[trail steeple]

guess i gotta mess with the weapon's code then

[unkempt tartan]

so, you seem to have much more talent in level design than I do, that much seems clear to me

[trail steeple]

which level was your favourite ?

[unkempt tartan]

probably the one with the not-cyberdemon

either that or the one with that gigantic horde in like 3 rooms, those were challenging and fun

however, I played it on UV and I did not die

[trail steeple]

wow,congrats

[unkempt tartan]

....which honestly surprises me, I am not a great player by any means XD

[trail steeple]

my wad wasn't even meant for that difficulty

[unkempt tartan]

but it did have challenge to it, there was some bite to those hordes for sure, so I am definitely willing to playtest the rest of the levels as you make them

[trail steeple]

respect man

[unkempt tartan]

hehe thanks

[trail steeple]

my previous wads weren't that good

i could send one over here

[unkempt tartan]

oh, I'm done for now XD

[trail steeple]

ok

[unkempt tartan]

I need to get some writing done, I was supposed to be doing that in the first place, but I will definitely download it if you'll send it over

I'm also anxious to see what you think of Necromancer in its entirety

[trail steeple]

i guess i'll send over my second ever wad...

So basically once i wanted to make a wolfenstein-themed wad,while lacking experience of course (expect obvious wolfenstein textures) (made for doom2)

[unkempt tartan]

Lieben? Really? XD

[trail steeple]

because le funny wolfenstein quote

[unkempt tartan]

Mein Lieben!!!!

[trail steeple]

indeed

looks interesting,but i can see some texture issues i could try to fix

weird choice for a roof but alright

i personally would use a different texture

but that's just me

what room is this

[unkempt tartan]

what room?

[trail steeple]

i would use a different wall gargoyle texture,do some alignemnts and such

weird choice for a door texture

[unkempt tartan]

hence why I said you're a better level designer than I am

but DAMN they seem to be whooping on you

Did the Cacodemon trap do that to you?

[trail steeple]

no

the corridor with 3 cacos did

[unkempt tartan]

ooohhh

[trail steeple]

so map01 is finished

[unkempt tartan]

noice

[trail steeple]

i can give following advice:

try to match the textures,see what looks good together and what doesn't

always align textures

wehn you make a door,use a texture that looks like a door

[unkempt tartan]

Wow, you live in die by that, eh?

[trail steeple]

always try to understand how much health the demon has and how much damage it does

also,i'd recommend you to watch this video: https://youtu.be/ptHurafdCoQ
(you don't need to 100% follow Romero's design rules at all times)

uh oh,le funny spider

[unkempt tartan]

XD

I think I like my second map better than the other two... it's also the longest

[trail steeple]

pro tip:don't use the "turned on" switch texture,it may confuse the player

[unkempt tartan]

ah yes

oh you're in the canyons

how did you like my library? XD

[trail steeple]

it was ok

this looks very weird

[unkempt tartan]

hint: There's a secret behind the door switch

you really don't like Cacodemons do you?

[trail steeple]

[unkempt tartan]

I wanted to say something but I decided to let you sweat it out

[trail steeple]

ded

[unkempt tartan]

I know, that Hell Cathedral is not a fun place

[trail steeple]

more tomatos

and yes,i resurrected myself

[unkempt tartan]

lol I'm okay with that

[crisp dragon]

Imma playtest

DM the wads?

[crisp dragon]

So, first impressions

I feel like you should decrease the ammo in the map, it's far too easy.

I was able to finish with a surplus of nearly 300 bullets and more than 150+ shells, including the shell boxes I couldn't pick up due to maxed out ammo.

The encounters are relatively tame due to there being wide open spaces, I only died once due to a dumb face rocket.

There are some alignment problems that make parts of the level really messy, and some textures seem strange and don't blend it super well. I'll post pictures soon.

Also, damaging FireBlu floor? Seems a bit weird

[unkempt tartan]

I happen to like Fireblu to an extent

but yes, the first level is rather easy

hence why the second and third levels are much, much harder

as for the tile alignments and such, those I intend to correct once I decide when I am going to edit it for the last time

and I've had players who have had problems with the Imps in the server room

some of them keep saying they die to the Cacodemon XD

[unkempt tartan]

you still playing it?

[crisp dragon]

oh there's more?

hm alright brb

[wispy relic]

I found info on assigning editor IDs via MAPINFO; this will work with both ZScript and DECORATE https://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO/Editor_number_definition

[wispy relic]

yo yo yo, if anyone would be down to give my megawad a go, I've got 2 episodes (14 levels) in a playable state now:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124086-doomwave-name-subject-to-change-project-thread-episode-2-uv-complete-927/

episode 1 is basically finished, just might need some balancing/polish
episode 2 has the Ultraviolence difficulty implemented but not the others, and is prob rougher around the edges since I haven't had anyone playtest it

[trail steeple]

gonna check it out

[trail steeple]

uhhh the door broke

side-opening door ? never seen that

i think this could be scaled a little bit to fit better

[unkempt tartan]

I got it, I'll let you know what I think

[deft horizon]

is this better than it was before

[trail steeple]

found an inconsistency

this uses the same texture as the first door,but it's not a door. Try to be consistent

can't get back in,the ceiling is too high

[trail steeple]

it's short but still needs a bit of work

[trail steeple]

found a misalignment (the same one is in the room with we-all-know-which symbol

[wispy relic]

I’ll think of something to do about it

[wispy relic]

The room over there is a secret

[wispy relic]

Sliding doors are a nifty feature of polyobjects, and aren’t possible in vanilla doom

They were introduced in Hexen tho; you can see them there

[trail steeple]

i basically noticed quite alot of misalignments in the maps

[deft horizon]

id say this is the best iteration of my map so far

[trail steeple]

imma check this

still no torch on this wall

oh,it's a secret

my bad

that door on the start still uses the same texture as a decorative wall thingy

a rocket launcher in a map made in 90% out of tight corridors is a bad idea

not even marked as a secret

the other one doesn't work

quite confusing

that's not marked as a red skull door

this for some reason doesn't do damage

[trail steeple]

so i've finished it

[deft horizon]

crap

[deft horizon]

the stairs after the imp area have a linedef that opens that door

[trail steeple]

so i can give some advice:

-Rocket launcher and very tight corridors don't match

-make sure to mark key-requiring doors properly

-use door textures consistently i.e. don't use a door texture used on a usable door on a remotely-accessed one

-try not giving way too much ammo i.e. placing shotgun ammo boxes everywhere guarantees you that the player will almost always have a huge supply of the shotty shells

[deft horizon]

thanks

[trail steeple]

also seeing cacos barely fitting into the corridor looks funny

not like it's a bad thing

[deft horizon]

i didnt mean for them to get into there at all

[trail steeple]

what is that sector with a single spectre doing there

i don't see the reason behind putting it there

[deft horizon]

i forgot to delete that

[trail steeple]

mmm yes missing textures

[deft horizon]

it was meant to teleport in instead of the pinky walking behind you in the one hallway

[trail steeple]

another piece of advice:

Try to make your maps more interesting with more open/half-open/different-looking areas rather than simply sticking to tight corridors

[trail steeple]

and while doing so try to not get into the other end with just the open areas

[white saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/641791258716667927/892095776514248787/image0.png

[trail steeple]

[unkempt tartan]

[stray narwhal]

[wispy relic]

Minor texture alignment issues aren't too much of a problem that Im' worried about

my main concerns are that it at least doesn't break anywhere and plays fun

[vast citrus]

Does a FreeDoom edition of Doomless exist?

since Doomless contains too much derivative work based on Doom itself

this is about license as much as style

[unkempt tartan]

this is why I love playing my maps in Brutal Doom

[crisp dragon]

oh god, is that texture filtering

[haughty flower]

nothing is wrong with texture filtering

as long as there are no 3d models in sight anything is fine

[sacred pine]

Doomsday Engine left me traumatized.

[crisp dragon]

it's not that its bad or whatever but whenever I see texture filtering I recoil at how fucked up and blurry the game looks to me

[safe steppe]

Quite the opposite actually, the more detailed a game is the more it benefits from texture filtering, doom is very pixelated and as such texture filtering makes it blurry

Btw if you insist on keeping it on here is useful chart

[trail steeple]

texture filtering 🤢

[crisp dragon]

I use nearest mipmap personally

[unkempt tartan]

what is texture filtering?

[silent horizon]

it look cursed and cute at the same time

cacoberries

[unkempt tartan]

caco-crunch-berries

[unkempt tartan]

I'm still very new to this

I'd appreciate a bit more leniency

I have no idea what texture filtering is

[haughty flower]

smoothed textures

[vast citrus]

Why do so many Doom monsterpacks use the helmet humans with a voicepack instead of zombies that grunt?

with Doomless going an extra mile to make all standard foes human/robotic

there are no decent non-derivative art packs (textures, flats and sprites)

FreeDoom has style clash since contributors don't seem to have a zone agreement

@crisp dragon Do you know any good, consistent art set for Doom 1/2?

while the zombies look better and more distinct per tier, the hellspawn themselves in Freedoom are... not quite there

[crisp dragon]

not really

[safe steppe]

You might find useful stuff on realm667

[vast citrus]

those are usually out-of-scope alternates that must be edited into place on the map, what I'm looking for is a drop-in for FreeDoom

[crisp dragon]

it's essentially thinking, hm doom looks so bad pixelated, why don't we put a filter over everything so the pixels are blurred out and the game looks "smoother"

for especially high res models texture filtering is fine but doom is a game with a lot of pixels, and mixing filtering and wide pixels together is a no-no

[vast citrus]

I'm fine with pixelation but the later mobs and environmental assets of FD aren't quite there

Only FD's zombies look better than Doom's.

also, monsterpacks that literally reuse the Doomguy skin (and some voices) AS the zombies automatically count as "derived" and thus not OK for distributing in a semi-standalone pack or compiling into a recommended starting list

also, with the Doomless pack on top of FreeDoom it looks like UAC has invaded AGM after Devil/Icon/whatever used Doomguy to corrupt the UAC

there are dead AGM employees everywhere (decorate corpses)

[crisp dragon]

so to continue on with this, this is what the game looks like with no texture filtering(Keep in mind I use a scaling factor of 0.50 which already makes the game look kind of chunky, I would use 2 which results in smoother textures but it's hell on my cpu)

and then this is the game with texture filtering

[vast citrus]

what gunpack is that?

[crisp dragon]

it's EOA

you go from looking crisp to slightly blurry

[sacred pine]

Oof, I notice that one

[crisp dragon]

and oh boy wait until you see the monsters

[vast citrus]

Also, Kaiser's DSV mod fails to load its own music on LZdoom

[sacred pine]

It's not much of a problem for me when I play on a smaller screen, like on my phone but when you play on a desktop it's much, muuch more noticeable

[crisp dragon]

monsters with no texture filtering

[vast citrus]

what monsters are those/!?

[sacred pine]

Embers of Armageddon with the D4 Monster Pack

[crisp dragon]

Monsters with texture filtering

you can see the difference so clearly

[sacred pine]

Oh, dear lord.

[crisp dragon]

no texture filtering

[vast citrus]

EOA is also "derived", you need to own both the classic Doom you are intending to run it on AND the modern Doom

[crisp dragon]

With texture filtering

[vast citrus]

Coffeeguy, did you try Doomless?

[crisp dragon]

looks like shit, doesn't it...

[crisp dragon]

no, not yet

tell me about it

[crisp dragon]

actually, you just need gzdoom and the game iwad to run it, you just gotta download the mod off of moddb you don't need doom 2016

[vast citrus]

technically yes, legally... not so easy

and Doomless replaces hellspawns with humans and robots/cyborgs

[crisp dragon]

the mod is free, the iwad not so much because you gotta buy that off steam

[sacred pine]

No texture filtering here

[vast citrus]

but doesn't it say compatible with most mapsets/monsters?

so technically you COULD run on FreeDoom

[sacred pine]

And enabled.

[crisp dragon]

you most probably could, I never tried that before but I could try it out

[sacred pine]

Not that noticable since I'm kind of far but it's still.

Texture filtering (god, that's just awful)

[crisp dragon]

yeah...

[crisp dragon]

Runs with FreeDoom 👍

[sacred pine]

Aand without. So much better.

[sacred pine]

That's nice to see running on Freedoom

[crisp dragon]

hm, brb im gonna see if the D4 monsters pack also runs with freedoom

yes, yes it does

[vast citrus]

which is first - Assets or Code (in EoA)?

[sacred pine]

It's Assets first.

[vast citrus]

oh...

also, is there an environment pack to go with EOA and Eternal monsters?

[crisp dragon]

I think there's one called gore doom which is similar to the super gore nest fom doom eternal, and there's a uac base pack I think

the mapsets are in the addons page

oh right there's also a hell on earth level

oh right, don't forge a final sin arena

[sacred pine]

I was gonna type something but he was talking about Eternal monsters.

There's a really W.I.P thing called the Argent Project that's about re-creating Doom 4 in classic doom but that's it, a W.I.P for now.

[crisp dragon]

so, map sets that are in the addons page:

Gore Doom - Remade
Final Sin Arenas
Welcome To The UAC
EOA: Hell On Earth
D4V E2M8, E3M8 and E4M8

[vast citrus]

Icarus menu is broken on Embers

the Embers settings being in main menu causes the main menu to overflow the box

[crisp dragon]

show a picture?

[vast citrus]

honk bonk

[trail steeple]

this looks like someone spread butter on him

[pulsar pike]

Vaseline mode

[sacred pine]

When you look more at it, the more sense it makes

[trail steeple]

Does using "block sound" property on those linedefs make the enemies in that room not hear the sound from the other one ?

[safe steppe]

yes

[trail steeple]

is there a way to make a corridor under this room or something like that ?

[safe steppe]

GZdoom format supports 3d floor but I don't know how it works

[vast citrus]

also, EOA needs to stop using preset episode strings and let the IWAD decide the strings for episode names

[vast citrus]

What's the general consensus on the 2002 doom odyssey megawad?

mixed with EOA and Doomless, there's hardly anything of Freedoom visible

[crisp dragon]

besides the level design, yeah

EOA is gameplay modifying after all

and doomless modifies monsters, right

[vast citrus]

for Icarus, however, a different monster pack would be needed since Doomless overrides ALL monsters

[crisp dragon]

Doomless seems to take only doomguy sprites for the marines, is that legal or no?

[vast citrus]

Doomless replaces the fireball spitter demon with a plasmagun shooter, and so replaces the fireball itself with a plasma shot

Doomless takes doomguy sprites for some enemies, such as brawler doomguys instead of pinkies...

it has robots for the fireball spitters, and actually changes the fireball to plasma shot, as I said

so any mod that alters the plasma gun also alters the shot of the heavy robot

FreeDoom makes more liberal use of some of the enemies, and so does Kaiser's DSV (though it's crap)

so what monster pack would you recommend for Icarus to go with EOA?

Icarus is TNT's megawad about the fate of the titular expedition ship

also, I could be interested in some weapon mods that are Boom compliant, not Zdoom

Crispy Doom allows turning off seclight flicker

[wispy relic]

you can use 3d floors like Vulldozer said
if you need more info on them I can get into more detail in a bit

[crisp dragon]

you can see if there are DeHackEd files with modified weapons

[vast citrus]

Crispy running Icarus over Freedoom

though I actually prefer Boom's version of the overlay HUD

but in Boom you can't turn off flickering seclights like Icarus closet

basically, Icarus just forces flickering seclights to stay in their "up" (brighter) position

IDK how to disable flickering seclights in (G/L)Zdoom

also DUCK does pretty close to Doomless, replacing all zombies with doomguy

[trail steeple]

i need to know how to do them

[wispy relic]

alright, I'm free now

so if you have that WAD I linked the other day, you'll notice I used 3D floors rather extensively in e2m5 (delta labs)

if you look at the middle building in Doombuilder, you should see this:

the lines with red accents are where the game will draw 3D floors

(and fortunately for us, UDB also recognizes and draws in the 3D floors in visual mode)

the method to make 3D floors goes like this:

1. you draw a sector that you want to have a 3D floor in, and give it a tag (x).
2. outside the map boundaries, so somewhere in void space, you draw a control sector that will have the 3D floor's height/brightness/texture properties
3. you will give the line special 160: Sector Set 3D Floor to one of the lines in the control sector from step 2, and you will use the tag of x for that line special
4. voila, there will be a 3D floor with the properties of the control sector from step 2 appearing in the sector from step 1 that we tagged with X

so if we look just at that office building I made, you'll see tha tiny triangle sector wedged in the middle of the impassable walls

one of its lines has special 160 applied, and it's tagged to draw 3D sectors in sectors tagged 27, like so

in the bottom image, you can see how the building looks with the 3D floor disabled: it's like there's 2 different rooms mixed up in there

this is how you'll have to set up multi-floor buildings

wherever floors overlap, you have to make that sector with the floor at the bottom room's floor height
and the ceiling at the top room's ceiling height

and you'll use the control sector to make the solid space inbetween

Does that make sense?

[trail steeple]

i think i have a issue (the sector i've drawn got split into 3)

i just have to select all those sectors,right ?

[wispy relic]

If the sectors all have the same tag, the same 3D floor will be drawn in all of them

so it shouldn't be a problem

[trail steeple]

oh ok

the room with height and stuff can be as small as possible or does it have to be as big as the sector i'm using for the place where i want the 3d floor to be ?

uhhh how do i make it show the floor normally

looks like i've messed u p

hlod on lemme fix it

how do i make it enterable

[vast citrus]

so, is it legal to distribute Icarus with FreeDoom Phase 2 and Crispy Doom?

as ready to go "distros"

[wispy relic]

The 3D floor has the properties of the control sector
so if the control sector has its floor at 0 and its ceiling at 128, the 3D floor will be drawn between 0 and 128

You can adjust the floor/ceiling height of the control sector in Visual Mode and see in real time where the 3D floor will be drawn

[wispy relic]

it can be a small triangle-shaped sector, it doesn't have to be the same dimensions or anything

[trail steeple]

i can't make it enterable

[wispy relic]

Alright, what's that stone floor's height

[wispy relic]

ok, lower the floor that the imps are standing on
make it the same height as the STONE2 textured floor

[trail steeple]

now there's a big box in here

[wispy relic]

Ok, so that's the 3D floor

now go to your 3D floor's control sector

raise the control sector's floor up by ~72 units or so

[trail steeple]

done

oh i think i understand how these work now

[wispy relic]

how's it look

[trail steeple]

so now the enemies should be on it if i want them to shoot through that window ?

[wispy relic]

Yep

[trail steeple]

i think i now uderstand how these work

[wispy relic]

You can adjust the Z-height of most things normally

there are a couple of things tho that are special; the one that comes to mind is teleport destinations

basically if you want a teleport destination with a Z-height, you have to use the ones marked for it in Doombuilder; you can't use the regular Teleport destination thing

[trail steeple]

got it to wrk

thanks for the help

[wispy relic]

dope

[vast citrus]

A shame Retres has derived assets (a retouched version of the fireball demon is one of them)

that means it's not intended to be used in standalone content or even FD mods

I was never good with map editors, I'm just an ordinary guy trying to have a decent Doom core experience without using actual Doom derived assets

though I do legally own both Doom 1, 2 and Final...

Does Icarus itself have enough derived content to disqualify?

by "derived content" here, I mean enemy skins and such that override core game mons

[whole blade]

You just described 98% of custom content for doom

[white saddle]

Ngl whenever I play a hard wad it’s just revenant fighting simulator

[vast citrus]

yes, sadly nearly 98% of all Doom content is Id derived

and another 1.8% is borrowed from non-id games

but I'm specifically looking for a decent pack that is, well, legal to distribute with FreeDoom and a sourceport

DUCK being one of the most blatant examples of simply using Doomguy with different weapons for the zombies

[wispy relic]

have you tried Harmony?

[vast citrus]

@whole blade oh, so your Frontier thing is like Brutal Doom with a touch of TNP and DRLA?

[whole blade]

Frontier thing?

[whole blade]

Mappacks are already legal to distribute. Otherwise there wouldn't be a doom community.

[vast citrus]

legal to distribute only to those owning the core game, not in a pack with FD

yes, based on description Relentless Frontier sounds like a mix of DRLA and Take No Prisoners

[whole blade]

Haven't played those but it's pretty much starship troopers as a game lol. Bug slaughter

[vast citrus]

DRLA (Doom Roguelike Arsenal) is a GZdoom monster/weapon mod

Take No Prisoners is Raven's "2D-in-3D" shooter

ugh, checking huge storage drives hurts! I'd be in bed by now but can't leave the scan to roll on its own, as it's windy and I don't want further damage to my HDD

which is also where my Doom installs are

Wish Linux wasn't so painfully difficult for gaming, then I'd just use it on a 2GB stick, meaning that full data circulation would be possible and still have room in the RAM for the workload (including the Doom engine - native or emulated)

Circulational computing means to having enough RAM to store a full read and a full write of the storage, PLUS headroom to actually operate in

for a 8GB RAM PC, that means a 1- or 2GB stick with Linux running Boom under DOSbox

but DOSbox VM itself must have 31 MB of RAM (as it moans at 32), so Harmony woul be out of question for me if I was on Linux

[wispy relic]

alright gonna be honest then, I'm completely lost what it is you're looking for and what you're actually wanting to do with it

[vast citrus]

TL;DR: I'm looking for Doom 1/2 megawads that are Boom/MBF compatible, non-derivative (contain no directly Doom derived assets), and would still be decent enough to play in DOSbox on Linux (on a 2GB stick to avoid my PC choking on data)

again, circualtional computing means having a computer whose storage is less than half its RAM

[whole blade]

Doesn't exist

[wispy relic]

yeah man, with something super specific like this, you'd be better off asking on Doomworld or the ZDoom forums

and even then I have my doubts you'll find a satisfactory answer there

[trail steeple]

wait hold on,by "non-doom derrived assets" you mean like no custom monsters based off other monsters ?

[crisp dragon]

he means no monsters or textures from the base game, all modified to be different

[trail steeple]

freedoom

[vast citrus]

I mean, no custom monsters that derive from copyrighted monsters... no weapons derived from copyrighted ones...

basically, either fully own or copyleft derived

[crisp dragon]

that's extremely hard to find

but you could take inspirations from heartland which have pretty original weapon replacements

[vast citrus]

I'm not a modder, I'm a player looking for a Boom-compliant decent mappack without copyrighted material derivs so I can share with someone I'll be playing with - sharing a bundle of Crispy, Freedoom and the mappack

2002 itself is a 2001 space odyssey / doom mashup, but the early parts don't seem to have much of Space Odyssey

preferably also some good drop-in evironment, weapon and monster reskins - not out-of-bounds variants that a map maker must place

DSV is a shoddy D2 mappack, AND it requires both its own System and Return Resources, both of which are no-no since being copyright material derivatives

[trail steeple]

judging by what you said before i'll have to say this:

Monsters based off pre-existing vanilla ones don't infringe copyright

[safe steppe]

Uhm you kind of like... don't go to jail if you share copyrighted material privately with a friend

[crisp dragon]

Yep, they don't because they're still original in their own sense

[trail steeple]

exactly

[vast citrus]

IDEK if my brother owns Doom classic collection

too bad FreeDoom IWADs are lackluster

Harmony gives me mixed vibes, like that old game about a female space colony...

[vast citrus]

also, how do I enable Boom style overlay instead of just backgroundless Doom overlay in Crispy?

[trail steeple]

you can always ask him about it

is this a proper way to make the skybox appear on a wall ?

doesn't seem like it

a lack of a wall texture seams to work

[crisp dragon]

just press the + key twice

[trail steeple]

working on the level

[vast citrus]

Pressing plus twice brings up backgroundless overlay that is still using the IWAD assets and face, a 3rd press removes face in Crispy

only the panel and face are removed

but I want Boom style HUD

Chex on SMMU

this is what I mean by Boom style HUD

[crisp dragon]

try pressing whatever key is assigned to the hud

[vast citrus]

that just toggles overlay HUD on/off in both Boom/SMMU and GZ

and cycles between none, overlay with face, overlay without face, transparent overlay without face in Crispy

[vast citrus]

DSV's weapon pack is super shoddy

for real, though, why did Kaiser choose to skin the shotgun as the Shitgun™️?

[trail steeple]

i think i need advice:when should i place the archvile and in what places i can add him to not make the map frustrating ?

[crisp dragon]

I think whenever you have an archvile encounter you should definitely put him behind some monsters. Depends on how many you put, but also make sure you got cover and ample supplies/weapons to take care of em all. One good example I can remember is from Scythe, where the map creator gives you a rocket launcher and they places 2 archviles behind hordes of imps, allowing you to blow up imps with the rocket launcher to reach the archviles

[trail steeple]

so i need feedback: is this place a good one to use the archie ? (that metal-textured hexagonal wall lowers btw)

[trail steeple]

what does setting a sector to be "quiet" do

[whole blade]

Archvile encounters generally need cover which looks like you have with those pillars. Other than that, test it and find out

Only way to find out if it's a fun encounter

[gloomy frost]

For mappers/modders out there - if you want to create a trailer for your Doom project, check out Cameraman mod.
ZDoom forums link https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=73478

This may or may not fit better in #videos, but here's also a short video overview https://youtu.be/AkAl5XAzoVo

[whole blade]

Pretty cool but he's a little bit wrong on how moving cameras work. Because you can set them to read the interpolation point's pitch you can have very fine control over the angles. Still, a nice mod and would be good for making videos of maps that other people have made.

[gloomy frost]

The video doesn't say you can't change pitch with MovingCamera - you most certainly can. The problem is - you have to balance the amount of interpolation points, otherwise camera turns in rigid "steps". It happens because transitions between points can be uneven.

[whole blade]

Except there's a setting to smooth out transitions in pitch and angle so you can have buttery smooth camera movements

It's how I did the camera work here
https://youtu.be/ar4YYkTomi8

It's on my tutorial list because once you figure out the work flow, setting up smooth camera paths in udb is pretty easy

But, that's a pain to do in maps you haven't made so that mod would be perfect to create montages of various works. Having to crack open maps you didn't make is a fraught business lol

And you could use it on non udmf maps more easily than having to convert them and then add camera points

[gloomy frost]

Ye, I know 🙂 I made smooth angle/pitch transitions with MovingCamera, it just becomes a chore if you need to make like a 100 clips and make little adjustments, that's where the idea of this mod is coming from.

I believe MovingCamera is still a better option for stuff like built-in level cutscenes. And, if used right, MovingCamera can achieve more complex camera paths.

[whole blade]

I know a few people who would be interested in this mod. One makes mini intros for his pvp casts and I think this will speed things up for him quite a bit (and save having to make camera paths in dozens of maps).

Cheers

[vast citrus]

Is there a fork of (G/L)Zdoom iwth TTS?

[white saddle]

can i play this wad it looks fun

[sacred pine]

That looks like a Quake shotgun

[crisp dragon]

Feel like there's too little demons to provide pressure? Maybe add a few more to make it decently challenging, especially if you're going to put a plasma rifle which can melt demons very quickly.

[trail steeple]

here,doom2 wad,play in gzdoom or other sourceport compatible with its features,adviced to play on HMP/H,NTR,level 4 doesn't have an exit yet

[wild oxide]

Is there a WAD for Super 3D Noah's Ark

[trail steeple]

doubt

that game is more like a wolfenstein reskin

and i'm not sure if wolf3d uses the wad format

[white saddle]

ok I’ve played through it idk if it’s zdoom s fault but why are the textures so wide

but it was pretty fun

[trail steeple]

where exactly were they wide

[safe steppe]

yeah stretched textures are kinda ugly

[trail steeple]

i need the exact places where they look ugly so i can try to improve them

[white saddle]

Like the doors are stretched everywhere

[trail steeple]

not every door is

but honestly how can i make this door look better

but honestly how can i make this door look better

[safe steppe]

just like, make the door smaller

and never use stretched textures

[trail steeple]

this looks a bit better now

[crisp dragon]

me, who plays on stretched 4:3 res:

[trail steeple]

what do y'all think about this area ? do y'all have any interesting ideas for it ?

[vast citrus]

Why didn't the creator(s) of DoomLess actually make the Pinkies into Chainsaw Nazis?

Realm667 monsters need to be summoned by command or map script, I'm looking for a robotic Pinky substitute

also, what is the name of the worm/larva thing in FreeDoom that replaces the Sergeant and is also pink?

also, seems there's some overlap between EOA and SLFM

SLFM itself drawing inspiration from Serious Sam

basically, removing AI hitscans

[trail steeple]

this one is a good pick

this one too

[vast citrus]

seems that Blood Demon is what DUCk is using

but I'll give Cyberfiend a try with Doomless, per its "evil, corrupted UAC" feel

ah, it needs aliases...

Realm667 ones require aliasing to patch-in

[wispy relic]

considering that most monsters on realm667 are made to work in ZDoom specifically, this doesn't have to be the case

there are a few other simple ways you can get them to show up on a map without using ACS or console commands

[vast citrus]

it gotta be in autoexec so that Director uses them as aliases

[wispy relic]

autoexec? director?

[vast citrus]

AI Director

autoexec.cfg is the Quake style console config file in Zdoom, that can optionally be in the PK3 or outside of it

[trail steeple]

whenever i hear "AI Director" all my brain thinks about is left4dead

[vast citrus]

AI Director uses stock map mon-list, and IS inspired by the L4D module

so, the idea is to alias the R667 monsters to make them replace the on-map ones

[trail steeple]

so you want to make something like the metadoom enemy replacement thing ?

[wispy relic]

ok, so I think the easiest way you can do this is through MAPINFO

actually, there are two ways to do it

When you load in a custom monster for ZDoom, they always have a definition in a DECORATE (or ZSCRIPT) lump inside their WAD
for example:

up there at the very top, where it says "ACTOR Bloodfiend : Demon <editor ID number>"
this is basically telling ZDoom it's defining a new monster, the Bloodfiend, and it will use the default Doom Demon/Pinkie as a template

You can change this line a tiny bit to
"ACTOR Bloodfiend : Demon replaces Demon <editor ID number>"

and in doing that, not only does the new Bloodfiend monster use the Pinkie as a template, but it will also replace all instances of the Pinkie within a WAD no matter what

so if that AI Director thing goes to spawn in a Pinkie, the Bloodfiend will automatically take its place and pop up instead

would this be what you're looking for?

[vast citrus]

sort of, but autoexec or such method is preferable

to not modify the rwad and jsut add the mon to both go.bat and autoexec.cfg or such

[wispy relic]

If you download any mod from realm667, it's a given that you'll have to tinker with it

not just to get them working with map editors, but also for balancing purposes

[vast citrus]

if only 7zfm supported wads...

[wispy relic]

so many of them have instant-kill like attacks

[vast citrus]

also, I tested the cyberfiend and it doesn't quite align with EOA as it is a fusion of pinky and the fireball demon, yet with what seems like a heavy hitscan / super-fast ranged shot

I want something like FreeCommander/Total COmmander with a WAD plugin...

I'm not used to the old PK way of working with archives

[vast citrus]

SLADE - Slow Loading, Annoying Doom Editor

[trail steeple]

it's not that slow

[vast citrus]

anyway, I don't quite understand those configs and would rather alias so as not to modify RWADs until I have a decent performing unpacker

[night ridge]

does anyone know how to convert a wad that contains one zdoom map into a txt file using slade?

[wispy relic]

as far as I know, the only map format that cleanly converts to plaintext is UDMF

when you open a UDMF map in SLADE, the entry for it should say "TEXTMAP"

it'll look like this

[wispy relic]

if you're using a computer that's having trouble running SLADE3, see if you can find XWE
it's an older program so I don't recommend using it if you don't have to, but it does most of the same stuff as SLADE

that said, modifying DECORATE files is really low-tech stuff and not "dangerous" at all; if you need help with it, you can ofc ask here or check the ZDoom wiki (what taught me 95% of what I know about modern modding)

[vast citrus]

well, that demon would take too long to rebalance and seems to be a fusion of the fireball demon and the pinky in terms of mechanics

[vast citrus]

Is there a Doom launcher that actually has load trees and such, and categories per IWAD?

not the messy DoomLauncher gronk

I'm just the type of guy who wants to clearly see the IWAD specific modtrees and then simply launch the modtree from desktop shortcut

Ideally, I'd want a DoomIt-like frontend that can save the wadtrees as appendable strings (aka the DOS version of RC files)

crispy-doom @2002ado.txt

[trail steeple]

you can always try out that blood demon

i personally use him

[vast citrus]

I'll try the blood demon thing with LZ, but there's no Doomit-like frontend for Doom wadtree management

[trail steeple]

there's also a variant of the blood demon with a chaingun in its mouth that it looses after getting most of its health lost. Just sayin

[vast citrus]

the Master Levels "inlay" for Z could be a good alternative if it could actually pipe out the wadtree text

[sick elk]

how do i beat marauder in metadoom
hes immune to everything
im going insane

[trail steeple]

i think you have to fight him the same way as in doom eternal

[sick elk]

which IS

[sick elk]

i havent played doom eternal

[trail steeple]

shoot when he has green eyes or something

[sick elk]

my pc is too bad

[sick elk]

he never has green eyes

[trail steeple]

hm

[sick elk]

im going insane
i cant beat him

[wild oxide]

Hey does anyone know how to add custom music to doomsday

[safe steppe]

The same way you add custom music to any sourceport, make a new wad in slade (or use existing one) and then import your midi files and rename them to match the levels https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_II_music

if you want to add mp3 files instead of midis check the doomsday engine documentation to see if it can do that and how

manual.dengine.net/modding/overview_of_resources_doomsday_1.x

[vast citrus]

imagine a sneezing zombie that makes the player character shake and sneeze for several seconds after being hit...

like, coronavirus zombies

[trail steeple]

question:does UDMF and GZDoom support MP3 files

[haughty flower]

yes

hell pretty sure gz supports snes and nes music as well

[trail steeple]

how can i replace the intermission background graphic/music

in doom2

[haughty flower]

rename some music to D_DM2INT

[wispy relic]

answered the first part for someone on doomworld a while ago https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2381350

and like nova said, all you need to do to replace the music is name a music track D_DM2INT and it should take precedence

this can all be done really easily with SLADE

[trail steeple]

so i simply have to place a file named the same as the intermission screen in my pwad ?

[wispy relic]

ye

[trail steeple]

thanks for the help

does it have to be in a specific resolution ?

[wispy relic]

If you're intending people to play GZDoom, probably not?
I can check real quick

[trail steeple]

always worth checking

just to be sure

[wispy relic]

yup, GZDoom doesn't really care

in fact, if you're using GZDoom, your title/intermission pics don't even need to be in the Doom palette at all

so you can go wild

[trail steeple]

i think i have an issue

after adding a texture pack with some textures that looked very useful many textures just turned into this

what may be causing this issue ?

do the PNAMES files conflict with each other ?

[wispy relic]

How did you add the texture pack? did you
A- load the texture wad as a resource in DoomBuilder
or B- copy and paste its contents into another wad using SLADE

[trail steeple]

B

i really think that the "PNAMES" files conflict with eachother

[wispy relic]

yeahhh so copying textures and shit is a bit finnicky

what you have to do is copy and paste over all the new patches and paste them between the P_START and P_END markers
then you select all of the new patches you just imported, right click, and choose "Graphics -> Add to PNAMES" or something like that

[trail steeple]

now here's the issue

[wispy relic]

please tell me you're not modifying the DOOM2 wad directly

[trail steeple]

no i'm not,let me explain

the texture pack i'm trying to use claims to be "made out of doom2 patches" making it very lightweight in the process,and all of its textures seam to be either in the TEXTURE1 file or something like that

those 2 i selected are the only files in that texture pack,but the textures themselves work

[wispy relic]

ok, so it shouldn't have new patches to add

however, and I was about to get to this next part, you can't just copy the TEXTURE1 lump

[trail steeple]

makes sense

does it have to be renamed ?

[wispy relic]

what I found that works is (within the texture wad) opening the TEXTURE lump that has the new textures, then selecting all those textures and clicking "copy"

then you go back to your wad you're adding them to and open up the TEXTURE lump there, then paste them in

I don't think simply renaming the TEXTURE1 lump to TEXTURE2 or something works, because when I tried it, it didn't

[trail steeple]

so hold on
so basically i have to open the texture1 lump from the new texture pack,copy all the textures from it and paste them into the old texture1 lump ?

[wispy relic]

yeah

from the looks of it tho your existing TEXTURE1 lump is kind of borked

[trail steeple]

the PNAMES file should stay ?

[wispy relic]

are there any patches in that WAD you need

from the sounds of it, it just uses the original DOOM2 PNAMES table

so as long as you're loading DOOM2 as your IWAD, it should be fine and dandy

[trail steeple]

uh oh

was that supposed to happen ?

[wispy relic]

ignore it and see what happens when you load your WAD with doom2

[trail steeple]

ok

nothing seams to be broken in the first level

nothing broken here either

[wispy relic]

how about the new textures

do they show up properly in doombuilder, and do they actually work when playing your wad in GZDoom?

[trail steeple]

hold on lemme check

[stone owl]

does anyone know a mod for doom/doom II that's like battlemode in eternal

[trail steeple]

uhhh that's not how it looked

something broke i guess

uuuuhhhh what the fuck

they look fine in-game tho ?

what the hell is going on

[wispy relic]

hm ho hum

since it's understandably vital that things look right in Doombuilder, I woudl suggest doing the following:

1. copy all of the DOOM 2 patches into your wad (not the PNAMES list) via SLADE
2. select all of those patches in your wad, and right clight "Graphics -> Add to PNAMES table" or w/e

see if that works

[trail steeple]

wait what

[wispy relic]

otherwise, my suggestion is to undo everything involving these textures from your WAD, and just load the texture pack as a separate resource for the time being and not try to merge it into your wad for now

[trail steeple]

i guess i'll have to pass on those textures

when i load them through a separate wad file the textures work properly and don't overlap the ones in my wad

[manic pecan]

i learned MENUDEF and immediately proceeded to do this

counts as doom modding right? hope i'm in the right category lol

[safe steppe]

Pushwall in boom format

[shadow trail]

yeah it kinda does

[manic pecan]

Lol it's you

[shadow trail]

yes

[vast citrus]

Why is it that Doom has FreeDoom but the closest to a Free Project for Quake is Nexuiz Classic that is purely MP?

though in some countries those free projects are legally grey

[trail steeple]

quake isn't really modded that much,that may be the reason

question i wanted to ask: does doom64 come with a wad file or not ?

[stray narwhal]

I don't think so since it was originally made for Nintendo 64

[vast citrus]

it comes with both a wad and a FM bank that need to be correctly co-applied to run on GZ or similar

the Github edition actually creates both out of the provided ROM dump

[safe steppe]

for me it came in a wierd ass format and doom 64 Ex source port had a tool that converts that file to a wad

[vast citrus]

NightDive is basically a republishing studio where the core technology is Kex - Kaiser's Extensions - that can be applied on top of any split-screen-enabled Doom, Quake or Build "ports" to provide the specific features

[vast citrus]

the commercial edition should come with the wad and soundbank already extracted from the rom dump

Imagine if they added Kaiser's Extensions to Crispy Doom

not the weird PSN Unity port (not sure what codebase that has under the Unity wrapper)

as of Z/GZ/LZ, what is the general consensus on mods lthat remove monster hitscans?

as I said, part of Serious Sam designers' goal was to avoid monster hitscans

and EOA, SLFM and similar seem to be bringing that back to Doom

ah, not Slightly Less Frustrating Monsters (SLFM), it's LFD

but anyway, what's the consensus on LFD and why does Embers use similar design?

seems Doomless is just a compilation of DUCK, LFD and some Realm robotics

but without DUCK's guns

it also uses a different voicepack for the humans than DUCK

but mainly it's still just DUCK's "doomguy zombies" with LFD

[vast citrus]

Realm667 "bad" is basically a reworked Lost Soul...

[trail steeple]

i guess

[wild oxide]

Is the SLADE installer trustworthy (Only asking because ZDaemon spooked me the other day)

[vast citrus]

don't know, I used the "portable" pack

[trail steeple]

if you get it from the official site then it is safe

i personally used the .zip version

[trail steeple]

@inland jolt

[inland jolt]

I see

thank you

[safe steppe]

Rule of thumb: if its open source, its trustworthy, most tools and source ports for doom are open source

[inland jolt]

How do I sort out my wadlist on GZDoom?

[trail steeple]

it's already sorted

[inland jolt]

No like how do I sort it manually?

[trail steeple]

i don't think you can,but i may be wrong on that

[inland jolt]

OK

[trail steeple]

try holding the right mouse button and moving the iwads

[inland jolt]

I tried it, didn't work.

[vast citrus]

Does a Doom RPG mod for IVAN roguelike exist?

[wild oxide]

Running the installer brings up windows smartscreen

[trail steeple]

what's that

you can always download the .zip version and unpack it wherever you want

[safe steppe]

Slade is 100% safe, you can literally view its source code

[trail steeple]

if it was not safe nobody would use it nor recommend it

[vast citrus]

Doom and Warhammer always had something in common, but it was Brutal Doom Kickass that really started to bridge the gap

Brutal Doom Kickass Edition has the Chain Sword

non-Purist common chainsaw is replaced by said Chainsword

[trail steeple]

this was not meant to go that low

[wispy relic]

did you use the "Floor Lower Instant" special?

all the instant moving floor/ceiling specials (and a few others) use "value*8" for their movement amounts, even though it's not marked in the editor

[trail steeple]

i used "floor lower to nearest floor" (it was supposed to lower to the floor i'm standing on and it's a 3d floor)

i think that using "floor lower by value" would help,right ?

by how much should it get lowered to be on the level of that 3d floor ?

i'll try 4

it didn't lower very much

setting that value to 66 got the result i wanted

[wispy relic]

OH

[wispy relic]

okay, I see what the problem is
3D floors are not considered as floors/ceilings in the same way as regular floors/ceilings
When you used "floor lower to nearest floor", that platform with the blue key did not register the 3D floor as the floor of the sector next to it.

What you would have to do is make a new sector that touches the 3D floor's control sector, and use "Merge Sectors" with that blue key platform and the new sector so that it will register as being next to the 3D floor

[trail steeple]

so like those dummy sectors used in making of those cool-looking stairs that grow out of the ground ?

[wispy relic]

Yeah

[wispy relic]

This gets a little weird though, since technically the "floor" and "ceiling"of a 3D floor are swapped by default - the control sector's floor is what's drawn as the bottom of the 3D floor, and its ceiling is what's drawn as the top.

To get around this, you can change the 3D floor type to "Vavoom style" in the line special, and the game will instead use the control sector's floor as the top of the 3D floor, and the ceiling as the bottom of the 3D floor (so the control sector will have a negative height), which would then make the 3D floor's "floor" at the right spot for "Floor lower to nearest floor".

building around 3d sectors gets a little tricky

also as a warning, to my knowledge typical DOOM doors (that raise and lower) do not have proper collision with 3D floors

what I've seen happen is that the door raises normally, but then sinks through the 3D floor to touch the actual floor below
idk how to make it work properly

[wild oxide]

What do you usually use for sound design

[vast citrus]

when it comes to modded enemies, Embers and other LFD forks are on the easy side

but Brutal/WW mods are on the hard side

what is the thing for the Strife crossbow?

[safe steppe]

if you want to do basic splicing and other effects audacity is very good

[vast citrus]

what's the name of Heretic gloves as a Thing?

[wild oxide]

What about music

[safe steppe]

if you want to make midi music for doom you can use an online website like midi sequencer or download midi editor, although you probably need to be a musician to actually use those programs

I personally recommend using free resources online rather than create your own music/textures etc... focusing more on the mapping/modding

[trail steeple]

if the person isn't lazy then they can try to make their own textures and stuff,just sayin

[safe steppe]

Well if you're really fast and experienced and have a lot of free time for modding you could maybe create a megawad with own custom texture pack and ost in like a year or two

but most people aren't really fast and experienced and don't have that much free time nor are they willing to stick to a project for a year or two

[wispy relic]

also worth noting that making midis and textures is an entirely different skillset you'd have to get good at

and a single person

1. designing the maps
2. making the music
3. making custom textures
4. making new monsters
5. putting everything together and making sure it doesn't break
   ... etc.

that's a lot of very different shit to handle and it gets really overwhelming

wouldn't write anyone off as "lazy" if they're using assets other people made; not everyone has a team working with them

[trail steeple]

right,i myself use stuff other folks made,could have used a different word for that

[vast citrus]

Bethesda/Id should've bought out Brutal Doom

[manic pecan]

why would they? i mean maybe putting it in their bethesda launcher or something but that wouldn't bring them many players anyways would it

[whole blade]

Yeah lol no. That would never happen

[vast citrus]

they did buy the semi-official not-quite-sequel that was on the 64, and hired Nightdive to port Kaiser's port-wrapper-thing for 64 to new consoles

[whole blade]

Yes they are willing to spend money on things that are good

[manic pecan]

buying brutal doom wouldn't be worth the effort

[whole blade]

It would also be a legal clusterfuck that no one in their right mind would want to get into

[manic pecan]

yeah

[haughty flower]

Plus finding out all the stuff the dev has done would probably put dirt on bethesda's rep

[crisp dragon]

yeah and even though it is old, new players who found out probably won't really care and just raise the drama up all over again

"This guy used real gore in his mod, wtf"

[haughty flower]

I'd much rather have something like Project Brutality on the bethesda port

[trail steeple]

no.

i can't imagine bethesda working with the creator of that mod for many reasons

[trail steeple]

yeah

[vast citrus]

Hideous Destructor's difficulty level is just madness

but then again, modern video games tend to be over-easy loot-fests

[polar crescent]

playing thy flesh consumed on ultra violence with project brutality was a mistake 😭

I don't wanna know what happens when I play it with final doom

[trail steeple]

what did you expect from that episode

[trail steeple]

plutonia

[polar crescent]

I already beat it with brutal doom
but that one room with barons now gave em missiles so uhhh-

[trail steeple]

[haughty flower]

Plutonia

Playing oblige with the highest difficulty settings

[wispy relic]

now what could be going on in there

[languid crypt]

hey there, so I'm looking to start messing with GLOOME so I can eventually release commercial FPS games but I'm trying to find useful tools that I could use to make levels,weapons,monsters, etc. I've found that apparently XWE is a decent program but am unsure if there's anything else I could use? Could someone recommend me some tools?

[haughty flower]

Slade3

xwe is. really outdated I think.

[languid crypt]

ok

yeah i just checked and the website was update in like 2009 LOL

[languid crypt]

thanks btw! really appreciate it!

Is there like...a free to use for commercial stuff type IWAD? Not gonna try to sell some schlock or anything like that but I wanna try and learn stuff with a base.

[haughty flower]

there is freedoom

or this one game template made by Nash on the zdoom forums

[languid crypt]

alright thanks

ill try freedoom i think

[haughty flower]

oh and BTW, if you want to make some levels, Ultimate Doom Builder or GZDoom Builder may be a good viable option

[languid crypt]

oh ok! nice

i decided to use GZDOOM GPL since its more up to date than GLOOME, too.

[whole blade]

pretty sure freedoom does not allow for commercial use. if you're just looking to start making stuff to get the hang of level design there's no reason to not use doom assets as a base
and then all you need is ultimate doom builder to start making stuff. if you want to take a gzdoom based game through to commercial you'll need to create your own assets but until then, there's plenty of custom stuff you can play with to learn the ropes

[languid crypt]

Gotcha. I don't know how to code at all so idk where to even start lol.

[safe steppe]

Advice: Game dev is complicated, before you start working on a commercial game you should first learn the different skills required for game development standalone, for example: make a bunch of maps for a game you like, create some music, do some pixel art, learn to code simple games like pacman or tetris, etc...

Start with low expectations and go with bigger and bigger projects as you go

[upbeat path]

either that or tap into the resources of the Doom community- there's TONS of musicians, sprite artists, etc (although my sprite artist came from the regular indie dev scene)

an understanding of the basics is important though

[trail steeple]

what are those tennis balls

[shadow trail]

thats a map spot

i still dont know why it looks like a tennis ball tho lol

[manic pecan]

their sprites are reminiscent of those gmod balls for some reason

[shadow trail]

we may never know why they put that sprite for it

[trail steeple]

interesting

[trail shell]

Doom 3000

[crisp dragon]

just tried Zion today

consensus: It's definitely cool and I appreciate the 3D models and full animations(Even if they do look a bit weird) but EOA is much more polished and a better mod

[languid crypt]

is there a way to implement strife: quest for the sigil like quests into a wad?

[wispy relic]

Zdoom (and by extension GZDoom) should support just about every feature of the original games like Hexen and Strife

So it should be possible to pull off similar stuff in your own wad provided you have the skill; you just have to know what you’re doing and what exactly you’re trying to do

[trail lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvTpNmiW43I&ab_channel=AudomMoy

[wispy relic]

ooh, those are some p nifty skies

[wild oxide]

Beautiful

[vast citrus]

is there an urban camo zombie pack?

[sonic jetty]

i hacked up dsda-doom engine last night on a whim and made it so monsters that fire projectiles now lead their target. in other words, they shoot at where you're going to intersect with the projectile, assuming you continue to run in a relatively straight direction after they fire.

here's a link if you want to try playing it: https://github.com/JamesDunne/dsda-doom/releases/tag/v0.21.3-exp

[deft horizon]

How can I change damage values for guns like the pistol

[terse hamlet]

How do I make that spinning texture effect you see on stuff like the texture with the faces on it

^This right here^
How do I make that spinning effect?

[haughty flower]

search up Scroll in line effect search

[wispy relic]

if you want your players to use GZDoom/Zandronum or something similar, this can be done by making a custom DECORATE entry

all you need is the program SLADE to create and edit a new wad

[trail steeple]

use a lindef special known as "Scroll left/right/up/down"

[haughty flower]

uhhh guys

who in the right mind has the motivation to put 6000 monsters in 1 map

[trail steeple]

ask the author of the NUTS trilogy

[trail steeple]

question: how can i make this area more interesting ? (i want to make something more interesting than just a corridor and a button for the platform with a key)

also another question: why is this part of the wall darker than the rest ?

[safe steppe]

Maybe because its a straight linedef try making it 2 really slightly diagonal ones

[trail steeple]

thanks for the help

[safe steppe]

You can always add a trap, though should be something to keep players on their toes not to kill them

Or maybe you click a button that starts a fight instead

[trail steeple]

help

somehow by trying to open the door at the bottom i instead press the button that is up there instead of opening the door

[agile shoal]

I dont know much about 3d floors, but you shouldnt put a switch and a door on top of each other

Just move one of them to the side

[trail steeple]

that switch is not on a 3d floor

it's on a ceiling

[agile shoal]

Confusing perspective

[wispy relic]

On the switch linedef, try checking the “Check Switch Height” flag

[trail steeple]

what does that do

[safe steppe]

In doom switches have infinite height, GZDoom allows you to make switches only usable when they are in range

[trail steeple]

oh ok

[wispy relic]

only thing is, it sometimes doesn't work

and I don't understand why
but it's def the first thing I would try to sort out the situation

[trail steeple]

it worked

[wispy relic]

Swag

[agile shoal]

Complevel? IWAD?

[crisp dragon]

Doom2, Boom

Compat with anything above a boom sourceport

Oh shit hold on, you also might need some textures

[agile shoal]

textures are looking fine so far

[crisp dragon]

Oh alright

No HOM effects right

These two need to be ran together, doom 2 and boom compat, can be run on anything higher than a boom sourceport

[agile shoal]

The level is freaking amazing

But Im stuck on the spider mastermind room

is the switch supposed to do somehting?

Cuz its not doing anything

[crisp dragon]

It's a WIP map so far

There's more to be added :)

[agile shoal]

oh

Well its great so far

Those elevators look amazing

[crisp dragon]

The pain base one is nearing completion but it's basically done tho

Also, you need noclip to kill 2 unreachable monsters so that kinda sucks

[agile shoal]

But I think you can get soft locked if you press the button and walk outside the elevator

[crisp dragon]

The elevator is also lowerable if you press use, i checked before

[agile shoal]

I dont think it worked

[crisp dragon]

It's the first bar elevator right?

[agile shoal]

2nd

[crisp dragon]

Oh I see

Hm, I didn't think to check that one, I'm gonna need to test it when i get home

[agile shoal]

That sunlust like fight in the beguinning really got me

[crisp dragon]

Yeah it's a bit rough

[agile shoal]

3 deaths total in the map

[crisp dragon]

I wait for everything to infight but it's still challenging

My first death on the map was due to the hell knight at the beginning

[agile shoal]

The room with the teleporting hitscanners is easily cheesable

They all spawn in the same place

Just stand there and use a chaingun

[trail steeple]

just gonna ask:

what can i do to make a level look more interesting,or how can i make it more fun to play ?

[crisp dragon]

Get several people to playtest and compile their answers

Then decide on what do you think would fit best, apply the changes, rinse and repeat until the level is finished

[agile shoal]

1. Make landmarks. Something interesting that the player will see various time throughout the level
2. Take ideas from creative wads (Going Down is the wad I look to the most)

[crisp dragon]

At least, that's my take

[trail steeple]

guess i'm gonna post the newest version of my wad here

[crisp dragon]

It's a long process but seems to be the easiest

[trail steeple]

yeah

[crisp dragon]

Oh yeah PBeGood4, did you try the other wad that i sent?

[agile shoal]

Not yet

[trail steeple]

if anyone's interested,here's the wad
play in GZdoom
recommended difficulties: H,NTR and HMP
notes:
map04 doesn't have a exit yet

have fun playing it

[agile shoal]

I was looking at the first wad on slade

[trail steeple]

why are terry wads made

[crisp dragon]

Ah, the Map23?

Also, 100% kills on the pain base isn't possible

If it is, it's not worth it

Level spoilers ||I'm not gonna try berserking cacos in the last room with only a little space||

[trail steeple]

how to anger completionists 101

[crisp dragon]

Yes

[agile shoal]

painbase is pain

[crisp dragon]

Oh boy you started?

[agile shoal]

I might try to actually finish it without using rewind later, but it is pain

[crisp dragon]

It is, yeah

After all I requested a level to be made as hard as the creator possibly could

[agile shoal]

"Oh I got out of that place alive!"
Archvile appears

[crisp dragon]

Sadistic tendencies, yk

[trail steeple]

archviles are the most annoying enemies in doom2 change my mind

especially if used wrong

[agile shoal]

archviles are the most interesting enemies in doom2 change my mind

[safe steppe]

Why would I change your mind, when the thing you just said is a fact

[tender garden]

Archviles are vile change my mind

[trail steeple]

that's a fact

[tender garden]

indeed

[trail steeple]

what makes a level enjoyable/fun to play ?

[wispy relic]

different people will give you different answers based on their personal tastes
some people like "slaughter maps", more open maps with high enemy density and a lot of combat (e.g. Go 2 It in Plutonia)
other people like small, challenging maps with an emphasis on tough combat situations (e.g. most other Plutonia maps)
and yet others still like more vanilla maps in the style of the original Doom and Doom 2 (and even then, there's still a large difference between most doom and doom 2 maps)