classic-doom-maps-mods

[trail steeple]

[crisp dragon]

[trail steeple]

missing texture !

this mud does damage for no reason ?

things to note about level 2:
-fix misaligned textures
-change the enemy placement entirely
-i could go as far as to remaking the whole map from the ground up

onto map 3....

[crisp dragon]

Oh trust me, it gets even, even worse!

[trail steeple]

first off a pinky is right behind me with no option of me knowing that,very bad decission

w-w-wha

that didn't even look like a secret

no misalignments,no hints,nothing

[crisp dragon]

YEp! That's the one I showed to you earlier...

[trail steeple]

where did that caco come from ?

[crisp dragon]

I think I'm actually crazy at this point.

[safe steppe]

I donr think its worth troubling yourself with every little mistake

[trail steeple]

NO ! you cannot put a Pain elemental in a tight space !

[safe steppe]

The best course of action in my opinion is to give them a list of general tips they need to work on

[trail steeple]

i can agree on this

[safe steppe]

There is no point in fixing this wad

[fallen panther]

When making a map here's a pointer i think i can give to anyone

Analyze a good map and try to replicate it to understand how it works

[safe steppe]

They should start a new one with the new knowledge they gained

Thats how you improve at mapping

[trail steeple]

this is extremally dark for some reason

do i have to say anything ?

[fallen panther]

What in the actual

[crisp dragon]

Yep! and guess what, it's even worse on Ultra-Violence!

[fallen panther]

By the time you reach any cover the cyber demon would have already hit you

[crisp dragon]

You've got two mancubi on the side of the cyberdemon.

[trail steeple]

dear god

[crisp dragon]

and he said that map 5 was the hardest of them

[trail steeple]

ok,this actually looks promising

[crisp dragon]

dear god... I don't want to think about what lurks in map 5. I ahven't even finished map 4 yet.

[trail steeple]

*blue skull key

[crisp dragon]

Nice! A chaingunner, right behind you on Ultra-Violence!

[trail steeple]

very fair

[crisp dragon]

A sniping revenant in the distance, and a couple of mancubi in front of you.

Oh boy, I'm in for a ride...

[trail steeple]

i've set my expectations too high for this one

but there's still hope

[crisp dragon]

even better news, you only get 48 shells to deal with everything!

2 revenants, 1 chaingunner, and 4 mancubi

oh boy, don't forget about that caged cyberdemon and arachnotrons!

[trail steeple]

a spider mastermind in a third room you enter

[crisp dragon]

we can't forget our good friend the Pain Elemental in the background, too...

and oh boy, a trapped rocket launcher with an archvile!

[trail steeple]

oh no

[crisp dragon]

all on Ultra-Violence!

[crisp dragon]

Yeah no... I don't think there's a lot of hope for this WAD, and that's me being generous.

This seems to made specifically to be sadistic and cruel, with no fun in it whatsoever.

[trail steeple]

i hear an archie there but he can't even revive the chaingunner lmao

[crisp dragon]

I think I may rather play Sunlust over this!

[trail steeple]

is this a mancubus in a tight corridor ?

[crisp dragon]

Yep!

[fallen panther]

Rule one of enemy and item placement make sure that it's actually possible playing normally and from pistol start before you finalize

Continuous play is just kind of a given but pistol starts generally tells the player how you want the map to flow on its own

[trail steeple]

no...please

misaligned

[haughty flower]

bro this looks fun tf yall talking about

[trail steeple]

i kinda like this throne design

[trail steeple]

it ain't fun,play it yourself

[crisp dragon]

trust me, until you play it it is not fun...

[haughty flower]

seen worse cough my maps cough

[trail steeple]

ok what the hell

[crisp dragon]

I think this wad requires continuous play, otherwise it's as hard as constipated shit by itself on a pistol start.

[trail steeple]

what do i have to do

[crisp dragon]

maybe save, and then try dropping down the hole?

just an idea, though.

[trail steeple]

no,i had to jump there

and there was a unmarked exit floor

[fallen panther]

Another sin off the checklist

[trail steeple]

did the wad end and did it just threw me to doom 2 or what

[fallen panther]

Yep that's the crusher if I recall right

[trail steeple]

yeah

in conclusion: the wad is bad and not fun to play

[crisp dragon]

yep, it's only 5 maps so far.

[crisp dragon]

I have to agree... I'm crazy to the point where I'm even using proper grammar when this entire time I could've been texting normally, heh.

[trail steeple]

i'll be honest with you,your wad isn't good,but here's how you can improve:
-don't put tough enemies into tight spaces with no option of cover,it's a bad thing to do
-try to always fix every texture misalignment you can find
-throwing enemies behind the player at the start of the map is a dick move,don't do that
-using boss enemies in places with very little space to run around it is not a good idea,neither is putting them in a cage in a middle of a tight room,especially the spider mastermind
-while making secrets be sure to leave a hint i.e. a slight misalignment,slightly different texture (if possible) etc.
-making secrets you can lock yourself out of is not a fun thing to implement,avoid doing that
-give the player enough firepower at the beginning of every level,don't give him only a shotgun at a bossfight

[crisp dragon]

oh boy, imagine this with fast monsters

[trail steeple]

-using switch textures as just decoration in a place where it looks like a switch makes the player confused,don't do this
-starting with making wads only for UV/NM is imo not a good point to start from,try making easier maps first
-when placing an enemy,be sure to put them in a place where they won't cause alot of trouble to the player and BE SURE TO KNOW HOW AN ENEMY WORKS
-making the second/first room a enemy-filled one can be done good in some cases,but putting only strong monsters isn't a very good idea when doing so
-make sure to mark a door with correct keycard color frame instead of painting the door with the said texture

[fallen panther]

I'd burn it to the ground with that

[crisp dragon]

the difficulty difference between UV and HMP is crazy honestly.

So many extra enemies on UV compared to HMP.

[trail steeple]

i guess i'll post here my unfinished wad i put on hold because i got slightly bored

level 4 is unfinished,the wad is meant to run on gzdoom

[crisp dragon]

sure, go ahead. I'll try it.

doom 2?

[trail steeple]

yeah

[crisp dragon]

oh wait what maps?

it just loads up entryway for me

[trail steeple]

the first map is HEELL1

then is HEELL2,HEELL3 and HEELL4

[crisp dragon]

oh wait shit, I didn't even download the fucking map.

I committed stupid after trying the first wad...

[trail steeple]

i dunno i think i should rename the maps to avoid the game loading the default doom levels

[trail steeple]

bruh moment

[crisp dragon]

ooh, looks nice

also, nice pistol sprite

[trail steeple]

my wad uses the default gun sprites so thank Id for that

note: try to look around for black candles,they always indicate something

[crisp dragon]

yeh, I usually find that black candles are markers for secrets

wow, these secrets are tough to find

[fallen panther]

As long as they're not mandatory for progression i don't mind going through a level without finding a single secret first go around

[crisp dragon]

I've only found 3 so far

[trail steeple]

i agree,secrets should be just additional help that a player can find instead of being something he has to find to be able to finish the level

[crisp dragon]

secrets should definitely be optional and fun

secrets that are mandatory automatically means the map creator is an asshole

[trail steeple]

agreed

[fallen panther]

Definitely

[crisp dragon]

oh boy, the cheats are not iddt'able

looks like no cheating for me 😅

seems like I can only find 3, even with show secrets enabled on automap with iddt 🤔

oh well, next level I guess?

oh wait, is that a MIDI'fied BFG Division I hear? Nice...

[trail steeple]

just checked,turns out i forgot to unmark the "count as secret" on that map powerup thingy

in one of the secrets

[crisp dragon]

oh I see

I like the slow decending wall when you grab the bfg

makes you ready for what's to come

[trail steeple]

good to hear you liked that

[crisp dragon]

I might have to go to sleep soon, so I'll make a full in-depth review of each map when I got the time, sorry

[trail steeple]

it's alright

[crisp dragon]

but my first impressions is that the aesthetics are good and the gameplay is pretty good as well, could be a lil harder imo but that's just me ;)

music also bangs, it's MIDI'fied version of DE songs

[trail steeple]

glad you've liked it

[wispy relic]

went ahead and gave your wad a look, the combat is mostly good

[quiet oasis]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124609-40-minute-r-a-14-map-vanilla-wad-where-each-map-is-made-in-about-40-minutes/

[wispy relic]

only thing I really question is the Cyberdemon fight, it feels like a weird spike to have sort of in the middle there

[quiet oasis]

i just released a speedmap mapset

[wispy relic]

could probably lower the overall ammo in later levels and still be fine but idk if that'll worsen the pistol start experience

[trail steeple]

are we talking about the amount of ammo pickups in levels 3-4 ?

yeah,i think i threw a bit too much ammo in there

[wispy relic]

ye

now on the aesthetic side, there are a few things that I noticed in general

1. using flats for wall textures/wall textures for floors and ceilings
2. rotating floor/ceiling textures
3. stretching textures

i'm relatively new to using UDMF myself, so ofc don't take my word as law on this, but in my opinion, these three things easily break the vanilla-spirit of a wad if you don't use them conservatively in your map

[trail steeple]

can you elaborate on the rotating textures ?

[wispy relic]

like this here, where the flat is rotated and no longer on the default 64x64 grid

[trail steeple]

hm,gotta fix that issue

[wispy relic]

again, this is just my general opinion

for now, I recommend instead of scaling textures to make them fit a line you've drawn (see examples pictured), just change the width of the line so that the texture naturally aligns with it properly

[trail steeple]

thanks for the advice

that was my 3rd ever map,and that shows

this looks much better

this looks better too

[white saddle]

Vile jump

[trail steeple]

you can jump through that without the use of that

and also: if you needed to do this,it would be quite an ass move,because the player would softlock himslef without him knowing that

[white saddle]

Yeah map 02 is the worst map of them all

[eager fractal]

anyone reccomend any good classic doom mods?

[trail steeple]

Sigil

[eager fractal]

i mean like...

[safe steppe]

hell revealed 2

[eager fractal]

obviously

[safe steppe]

or 1

[trail steeple]

if you mean gameplay changing then try out brutal doom and project brutality

[safe steppe]

you mean classic as in doom 1 and 2 or classic as in vanilla-esce?

[eager fractal]

what

[safe steppe]

mods for classic doom in general, or mods that are classic

[trail steeple]

he probably meant the first option

[safe steppe]

Eveternity or BTSX maybe are good options

[crisp dragon]

[trail steeple]

what's that

[safe steppe]

But its classic

I misinterpreted the question at first

[fallen panther]

If a vanilla esque gam play mod is what's wanted final doomer is a good one to go with

[white saddle]

hr is awesome

[crisp dragon]

An extremely hard megawad and the sequel to Hell Revealed

Remains to be among one of the hardest megawads to exist

[trail steeple]

hard like plutonia ?

[crisp dragon]

Worse.

There's a reason why I added that period to the end

[trail steeple]

can you describe how hard it is ?

[crisp dragon]

The beginning levels? Not so bad, but oh boy, when you get to maps 11, 13, and 14...

The total baron count in the entire megawad is 592

[trail steeple]

😳

[crisp dragon]

The max amount of barons in 1 level I believe was 45

Hell Revealed 2 has an archvile count of whopping 472

[trail steeple]

[safe steppe]

ouch

[trail steeple]

it's like the amount of revenants in plutonia

[crisp dragon]

Map14 remains to be one of the hardest maps in the entire megawad

Lemme give you a lil taste:

The measly shotgun is protected by i think 2 archviles, 4 barons, and a few imps

The regular shotgun

[trail steeple]

to get a fucking shotty you need to kill those ?

damn

is the megawad even fun to play

[crisp dragon]

Nope, not at all. But it's super influential to how slaughter maps and dificulty in modern megawads is defined.

It's so bad to play I had to start using proper grammar.

[trail steeple]

from your description of it that megawad i think i can consider nuts.wad easy

[agile shoal]

hr is just plutonia on crack

[safe steppe]

How can I raise the volume of a .midi file? I found a good midi but the volume is low even on max

[agile shoal]

Go to a midi editor site

I tried using a midi editor app, but found that doing it online is much easier

I use www.onlinemidi.com/Editor_dev.php

Damn you Vega

[agile shoal]

Also, you have to raise the volume per each instrument, not the whole music

[safe steppe]

oh man

thanks for the help but I think I rather just find a different midi

[agile shoal]

Its easy

And most midis are too much loud or quiet, so you will probably need to do this someday

[safe steppe]

Gosh I love James Paddock

so many great midis

[safe steppe]

Can someone tell me the name of some midi composers who allow using their music in doom wads?

[trail steeple]

https://youtu.be/Moc8i2uhsQ4 the creator if this vid allows people to use this midi in anything a person wants

[manic salmon]

does anyone want to make a mega wad with me?

[trail steeple]

how much levels we talkin

[manic salmon]

20

i'll create a discord group

to talk about it

[safe steppe]

We have a boom project and we're working on a megawad and we kinda missing 2 or 3 mappers if you're interested

[manic salmon]

yeah i'll join that

[safe steppe]

I'll send you an invite then

[manic salmon]

alright

[trail steeple]

i'm not really in the mood to make doom maps,maybe next time/later but idk

[crisp dragon]

Much, much harder

[sacred pine]

Ohh noo...

wait a moment... Okuplok is a single level PWAD and it has 537 archviles, 1341 barons and 3923 hell knights.

Also 4684 revenants.

[trail steeple]

the
what

[trail steeple]

spooky scary skeletons

[sacred pine]

The Okuplok Slaughter Map, I played it once but I couldn't even pass the first part because there's so many Mancubus just in the start.

Hey, also 13 spider masterminds and 166 Cyber demons... Just in case you didn't think it was enough.

[trail steeple]

was the creator drunk

i keep hearing about ambush.wad every time i hear about maximum doom,what's this wad

[sacred pine]

Probably.

[wispy relic]

I have maximum doom, I can check it out

[sacred pine]

Oh yeah, Maximum Doom

Ambush.wad is a WAD on which you pistol pinkies, cyber demons, and that

Or that's when I always died.

[trail steeple]

aka id being lazy and selling people shitty wads in a box that already has a different disc with shitty wads

[wispy relic]

oh boy

yeah, it's p painful
just gonna look at it in doombuilder lol

[trail steeple]

bruh,having only a pistol to fight a cyberdemon ?

who designed that

[wispy relic]

ah there's actually a chaingun

[sacred pine]

Also some cacodemons and there's barons on a dark room.

[wispy relic]

can prob ignore the cyberdemon but still

ye there's a huge room full of barons lmao

texture alignment is p bad as would be expected of an older level, but the architecture is fairly solid

could def polish it up into an interesting experience if you wanted to

[sacred pine]

Ambush.wad being an interesting experience sounds... Off

But I'd like to play that with a friend on Zandronum at least.

[wispy relic]

map wip

may be easy to tell I love how the Black Tower master level looks

[white saddle]

dont hurt funny

bad text ik but im not good at making that crap

[white saddle]

how do make stairs like in map 31 of plutonia

you hit a switch and it goes to a certain height

[wispy relic]

You need to make dummy sectors outside of the map

one sec

I did something similar in one of my maps; I wanted a staircase that rises up with each step at an uneven level (so some steps are 8 high, others are 16 high, and some are 24 high)

and you can see all the various step heights

[white saddle]

hm

[wispy relic]

alright so looking at how it was done in that map, you have to have your stairs set up so that the highest step(s) are the ones that are raised first
you'll be using either line special 130 or 131, depending on if the trigger is a tripwire or a switch the player presses

[white saddle]

oh i see

[wispy relic]

if you look outside the map, you can see they used the same trick I did above

but yeah, if you don't have it where the highest step is the one that goes up first, this method of doing it won't work

[white saddle]

so those sectors have to be the same tag?

[wispy relic]

you highlight both sectors after drawing them and use the "Join Sectors" or "Merge Sectors" action

these commands are almost identical, the only difference is that Join Sectors will leave any lines in place if the two sectors are directly touching, while Merge Sectors gets rid of them

for this case though, where the sectors aren't touching to begin with, it doesn't make a difference

[white saddle]

holy crap it worked

yay

[wispy relic]

again, you have to control the order that the player triggers them in, but this way doesn't need dummy sectors outside the map to work

and you can cut it down to whatever number of switches you want, and it'll still work

[white saddle]

alright thanks

i didnt get next step two work but i just made it only one for now

[wispy relic]

actually, here's a more practical example of how you could set it up so that the player hits the switches in the proper order

[white saddle]

wait wth is that gltich

i cant seem to find a fix

[safe steppe]

select the linedef that causes the problem and ever so slightly move one of its vertices

[white saddle]

ok fixed

[haughty flower]

im making my first map so i was wondering how to make the sky show (this sector is supposed to be outdoors)

ok i have figured it out idk why i didnt think to google it 😅

[eager fractal]

anyone have a wolfenstein 3d mod

i have brutal wolfenstein but i prefer it to be more retro

[terse hamlet]

If I use Plutonia textures in my map will I have to run it on plutonia.wad in gzdoom later when I play it or can I just use doom 2

[safe steppe]

You have to use plutonia.wad

Unless the textures are saved in the pwad itself but I think thats technically illegal

[terse hamlet]

dang

I'm doing a map with a massive outdoors jungle themed section and I really wanna use the Plutonia textures but I hate how I gotta run it on Plutonia.wad

[safe steppe]

If it really bothers you, you can find free textures online that you can re-distribute with your wad

There are very good doom texture wads out tbere

[trail steeple]

then why are those available at realm667 ?

[safe steppe]

Realm667 re-distributes plutonia.wad or a part of its assets? Or the wads require plutonia.wad?

If its the latter thats completely fine

I am not seeing realm667 is doing anything wrong?

It seems like a website for resources that are made by people

[trail steeple]

realm667 literally has downloadable TNT:E and Plutonia textures

it's literally up for download there

[safe steppe]

Thats technically illegal but as long as Bethesda takes no action its probably fine

[trail steeple]

i guess

[safe steppe]

Also I think thats uploaded by the users

Not the site owners

[trail steeple]

yes it is

they also have ported blood 1 and 2 textures

[safe steppe]

Huh so I think its most likely fine to use them

Kind of like video game soundtracks

They are copyright protected but devs don't care

[trail steeple]

i guess

[terse hamlet]

link?

[trail steeple]

it's on a website called Realm667

in the repository section

[terse hamlet]

Ight thx

[trail steeple]

there are many other cool stuff there like custom monsters,guns etc.

[trail steeple]

Question:do i add in decorations (lamps,corpses etc.)the same way as the npc's ? (via DECORATE file )

[white saddle]

g

[trail steeple]

question: how do people do those textures that slide to the left/right

[nimble flax]

hopefully a quick question for staff etc... is brutal doom 64 a mod considered legal or is it one of those illegal but beth doesn't wanna go after it..?

[frank nexus]

Hey, is that a suitable channel for sharing finished map ? :)

[terse hamlet]

Probably

[fallen panther]

Not sure myself but I think they don't want to bother to go after it
Compared to doom 64 ce having the lost levels after they were already selling doom 64 on pc the rest of the doom 2 doom 64 ports were created during a time when dooom 64 wasn't available to buy at all so id say it's not nearly as open and shut

[nimble flax]

eh, if it required me to own doom 64 i'd have 0 issues whatsoever, but it requires doom 2 to run... so.... eh?

[fallen panther]

The only one that requires you to have doom 64 is ce

[terse hamlet]

i downloaded a few texture packs from realm667, how do i upload them to doombuilder

[wispy relic]

use one of these linedef specials in UDMF

[wispy relic]

when you open your map in Doombuilder, go to "Edit" -> "Map Options", then select "Add Resource..." and choose the wad with your new textures

note that you have to do this each time you make a new level and want to use those textures

also worth noting that when you open your wad outside of Doombuilder, the textures won't load
you either have to tell gzdoom/crispydoom/whatever port to load the texture wad at the same time, or you will need to use the SLADE utility to put the texture wad's data inside the wad with your maps

this goes for custom monsters/weapons/items/decorations/etc. as well

[white saddle]

ok i am making map 06 now and its turning out so much better than all my levels

[white saddle]

ok its done

all these levels are short so far but yeahmap 07 will be long

and harder

map 06 design though is good so im happy

ok verfied on uv pistol start

pretty intense towards the end

[terse hamlet]

why wont the skybox render?

[haughty flower]

use F_SKY instead of SKY1

[terse hamlet]

f_sky is a different skybox though how can i use this one

[haughty flower]

it's actually not

f_sky is what tells the game to render the sky itself

that sky in particular that you want is the sky that it renders until I believe map 12, where it changes to SKY2

then map21 is SKY3?

[terse hamlet]

so i have to change the map number to use a different sky?

[haughty flower]

unless you want to either replace a sky completely for a segment of the game or use mapinfo, kinda

[trail steeple]

thanks

[terse hamlet]

is it possible to have multiple sky boxes? like if part of the level takes place in hell and another part is on a techbase, could i use two skyboxes for those two settings?

[trail steeple]

you can always try using the MAPINFO file shich also allows you to add a custom name to the level,create custom chapters that appear in the menu and which allows you to add custom muisc without the need to rename the music files to the ones a different level uses

[trail steeple]

to my knowledge that's not really possible

[haughty flower]

it is possible, but I think it requires the use of the linedef actions or some hackery

[wispy relic]

MAPINFO and more advanced map formats allow you to use two different skies really easily

In MAPINFO, you basically define "SKY1 = <texture 1>" and "SKY2 = <texture 2>" (or something like that, I'd have to double check)
and then in your map, wherever you want SKY1 to show, you use F_SKY1 as the ceiling/floor flat like normal
and wherever you want SKY2 to show, you use F_SKY1 as the flat and set the sector's special to be "200: SKY2 (MAPINFO)"

using MAPINFO is a step above simply making maps since you have to use SLADE for it
but it's really easy to do and gives you a lot of control over your level

[trail steeple]

good to know

[wispy relic]

looking into it, this is how the BOOM map format does it

I found a good example wad over on doomworld that demonstrates it. it seems pretty simple as well

[safe steppe]

This right here is the channel to do that

[wispy relic]

this also allows you to use more than 2 different skies really easily, so it has that over MAPINFO

okay, and one last thing on skies
if you need more than 2 skies in a UDMF map, you can do it similarly to the BOOM format above
you just gotta use line special 190 (Static Init), and the details are here https://zdoom.org/wiki/Static_Init

[trail steeple]

i thing something broke with 2 custom things i'm using in my wad but which appear to not affect those in any way at all

also,the sprite mentioned in that demon error DOES exist,so i don't see where the problem is

[trail steeple]

question:if i'll make a switch that lowers this,will that glass-thing i made go down too ?

[haughty flower]

depends, is it set to, lower unpegged? (Also oooooo I like that weapon sprite 👀)

[trail steeple]

i think it isn't,if i'll set it to that it won't move,correct ?

[haughty flower]

if you set it to lower unpegged, the middle texture will move with the lift

[trail steeple]

oh ok

[trail steeple]

progress report

[trail steeple]

question: how do i add a custom death animation ? (i'm going to make the pinky's death anim consistent with a robotised version of him)

[trail steeple]

can you not spam burgers into every channel ?

damn,the stuff added didn't save
thank god for backup files

[agile shoal]

Find the name of the frames that make up its death and put the new frames inside of your wad with the matching frame names

[trail steeple]

the issue is the custom death anim uses some kind of code in it that makes it's arm fall off and behave as a separate thing

but the issue is that it does not work

like literally when i wanted to test it in the game the original animation played

[agile shoal]

Oh I dont know much about Decorate/Zscript

So I cant help you with that

[trail steeple]

darn

just gonna say that the file with the script is called "INFO" for some reason

can't find anything on it online

[agile shoal]

What why?

It should be called DECORATE.
If its called anything else, it wont work

[trail steeple]

lemme check that

uhhh nope

[agile shoal]

Could you send me the wad?

I can try fix it

[trail steeple]

like the file of just that death anim ?

[agile shoal]

The .wad

[trail steeple]

here it is,the problematic decorate file should be at the top of the list when you open it in slade

[agile shoal]

Oh this is the funniest thing I have ever seen.
It is not working yet, but try to run this

This happens because it only has the spawn and death states. I need to copy in all the other states it has

[trail steeple]

why is there a flying arm that spams pinky corpses

[agile shoal]

Yeah that was the problem

Im trying to fix it

Everything is working now

@trail steeple

[trail steeple]

the hand disappeared,it was meant to stay

[agile shoal]

Oh ok

Lemme see what to do then

[trail steeple]

you can look at the different demon (the robotic pinky that is in the mod) to see how it was done

[agile shoal]

The time need to be -1

On the spawn state of the arm

Change it from 2 to -1

Can you do it, or do you want me to send you the wad?

Hmm, it is still disappearing

[trail steeple]

weird

[agile shoal]

Oh ok. Its working now

Needed to do the -1 time on the death state

Not on the spawn state

[trail steeple]

weird

it also happens on other stuff but it doesn't break anything

[agile shoal]

But is it working correctly?

[trail steeple]

i think that's not the correct sprite

[agile shoal]

Im confused now

When you kill him, that arm starts rolling, then it stops.
Whats wrong?

[trail steeple]

this sprite should display when it finally lands

[agile shoal]

Oh ok

Didnt know about that

Just needed to change 1 sprite reference

[trail steeple]

works the way it should,thank you

[agile shoal]

np

[trail steeple]

how do stealth monsters in ultimate doom builder work

[trail steeple]

wait what's that

[agile shoal]

The Demon is now called NewDemon

It behaves the same.
But now its arm falls off.

[trail steeple]

oh ok

[mossy sinew]

hey could someone link me to the resources i need for classic doom modding and possibly a good tutorial or two?

[terse hamlet]

i cant use doom builder to do the same thing?

[safe steppe]

Nope, doom builder's primary job is to build maps, SLADE on the other hand does everything modding related

[terse hamlet]

ight

i installed slade

[safe steppe]

For resources you only need your doom.wad or doom2.wad, if you are just starting out I recommend the tutorials on doom builder site

[trail steeple]

the resources you need come with the games (the main WAD files: DOOM.wad for ultimate doom and DOOM2.wad for doom2 respectfully),from there,you'll need a doom editor (doom builder 2/ultimate doom builder is a good choice) and SLADE3 for editing the text files and adding custom content

[safe steppe]

The tutorials are made for doom builder 2, however you should download Ultimate Doom Builder instead, its just a newer version of doom builder 2

doombuilder.com/index.php?p=tutorials

[trail steeple]

ultimate doom builder is basically the same thing as doom builder 2 but with more options and supported formats

[mossy sinew]

Ah ok, thank you

Is it possible to use custom sprites?

[trail steeple]

yes

[safe steppe]

Yes but you should learn the basics first

[trail steeple]

good point

best to try making 2-3 fully vanilla maps to understand the basics

[mossy sinew]

Yeah, I was just wondering cos i’m p sure there’s no custom models in eternal

[safe steppe]

Realm667 has great free resources and sprites and what not

[mossy sinew]

ok, i’m just off of the video about Romero’s rules for level design

[safe steppe]

Thx for Fordon for telling me about that site

[mossy sinew]

Neat

[trail steeple]

not only sprites,but textures and custom guns/monsters/decorations

[trail steeple]

no problem

[mossy sinew]

How hard is it to do modded music?

[trail steeple]

not very hard

[safe steppe]

Probably the easiest thing you can do

[mossy sinew]

Ok

[trail steeple]

you'll just need a MAPINFO file in your mod and the music file

heck,you can even add just the music file

[mossy sinew]

Ok sweet, thank you guys.

[safe steppe]

If you lean more modding than mapping you should use SLADE along side u doom builder

[mossy sinew]

I love how the community focused around a game about genocide is like the nicest video game community i’ve been a part of

[trail steeple]

trust me,many communities about violent things are cool

[safe steppe]

Well we are genociding demons after all

[mossy sinew]

Mhm

[trail steeple]

can i make those openable like doors ? (those are single lines because i wanted those to be transparent

[agile shoal]

So you want a transparent door?

A door cannot be one single linedef

I was trying to find a tutorial to do that but cant seem to find one

@trail steeple take a look at this wad Im making (the one I replied to)

[trail steeple]

ok

[agile shoal]

In the 4th level

There is a sort of invisible door around the archvile

In a nutshel:

1. Raise the floor of the door until it is very close to the ceiling
2. Dont give any textures to the wall

Then treat it like a floor that comes dont when you press it

(Yes, its a floor, not a door but it has the same purpose)

[trail steeple]

second level and oh fucking god

too many (strong) enemies in a tight space

and the only thing you have at this point is a shotgun

[agile shoal]

Yeah

But I wanted to show you the invisible door on the 4th level

[trail steeple]

[crisp dragon]

it's not super overwhelming actually, I've played it before

[trail steeple]

ah yes,an unpressable button

[crisp dragon]

try shooting it?

[agile shoal]

Thats just to give continuation from the previous level

Have you found the invisible door yet?

@trail steeple ?

[trail steeple]

yeah ?

guys why this happens (it also entirely cuts off audio in the game)

[umbral skiff]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124693-m17-project-6-map-056-open-beta-the-bugfix-strikes-back/
The 0.5.5 beta of M17 had some underlying issues, which have been fixed and resolved. A download to the fixed wad can be found in this thread. If you would like to monitor this wad's growth over time, I would highly recommend following the thread!

[wispy relic]

Stealth Monsters are something introduced in ZDoom. The idea probably came from the Spectre - making an "invisible" version of every monster, and not just the Demon. (or maybe it came from somewhere else, idk; it's not that important)

What is important is that the way they were implemented is very different from Spectres. Spectres look like Demons that have the Partial Invisibility powerup active, so even though it might be difficult to see them in low-light environments, there is always *something* there for you to make out.
"Stealth Demons" on the other hand will fade in and out of visibility entirely. When they're roaming around, their sprites are fully invisible and cannot be seen whatsoever. When they attack or take damage, their sprite briefly becomes visible again before fading out. As a result, it's much harder to tell where they are and even where they're attacking you from, no matter what the player does.

The general consensus on ZDoom's "stealth demons" is that uhh, they're pretty much reviled across the board. I would recommend against using them for most any reason in your WADs.

[crisp dragon]

i remember playing a wad with them...

it was terrible

[wispy relic]

yeah, when my brother and I were fiddling around with doombuilder for the first time years ago, we put them in a map and were like "Huh, neat"

then when trying to actually play it we were both like "ok this is p shit"

[crisp dragon]

it was this one, it had stealth imps

requires gzdoom

[white saddle]

How do I make a teleport trap

[sacred pine]

Is GZDoom Builder any good? I can't use OpenGL 3.3 because my laptop uses Intel HD 3000 so I have to discard Ultimate Doom Builder.

[timid spade]

Is it possible to take bits and pieces of other mods like russian overkill to make your own mod? Like art and weapons and mechanics?

[sacred pine]

I think you would need to talk to the creator of the mod in question to do that.

[timid spade]

I mean just for personal use...?

[wispy relic]

one where the player crosses a tripwire and goes somewhere else without warning?

[wispy relic]

GZDoom builder is good as well. UDB has certain conveniences for advanced/UDMF mapping (like showing where polyobjects are linked and stuff), but GZDoom Builder is still perfectly fine

[wispy relic]

It should always be possible, however depending on what it is you want to take, it may become difficult to make it work in conjunction with parts from other mods

[trail steeple]

thanks for letting me know

[white saddle]

Where a ton of enemies teleport in

[safe steppe]

Step 1) Create a room near the trap linedef (or multiple rooms) that contains the monster. and connect them with a really small tunnel

Step 2) Make the tunnel have a height of 1, either by raising the floor to be 1 unit lower than the ceiling or by lowering the ceiling to 1 unit higher than the floor

Step 3) Create a sector 24-32 units that traps the monster in half of the space, the idea here is that this sector will lower when the player crosses a linedef and the monster will be able to touch a teleport linedef

Step 4) Make the teleport, first give this line a teleport action and a new tag

(also make sure it's facing the monster) (you can flip a linedef by selecting it and pressing F key)

Secondly you create the destination sector and place a teleport destination thing inside it and give it the same tag that you gave to the teleport linedef

Step 5) Make the trap tripwire, you do this by giving the trap linedef a W1 Floor Lower action, and a new tag, then apply the same tag to the monsters sector in Step 3

And that's it, as long as the player made a noise and woke up the monster it will teleport when the player crosses the tripwire

[white saddle]

I see

[wispy relic]

Ye, that’s all there is to it
Can see this in action in map 16 of DOOM 2, with the blue key

[terse hamlet]

i downloaded a few custom enemies from realm 667 but i cant place them in my map as they dont appear in the things menu, how do i fix this?

i already added them as a resource but they just dont appear in the builder

i also just realized, one of my decoration mods isnt working either. the decorations aren't appearing in things

im using 6 custom enemies, 3 texture packs, and 3 decoration packs if it helps

[wispy relic]

If they’re not appearing at all in doombuilder, it means they don’t have ID numbers in their DECORATE files. You will need to give them unique IDs by using the SLADE program

[deft horizon]

how do i change the sky in doombuilder

[terse hamlet]

Got it

Just gotta figure out exactly how to do that

[white saddle]

How does he alert though

Cuz if the player doesn’t shoot

[wispy relic]

It depends on the map format you’re using:
Vanilla doom/doom 2 - can’t be done in Doom builder
Boom format - you use line special 271 (transfer skies)
UDMF - you use line special 190 (static init)

[agile shoal]

It will alert when the player shoots

[white saddle]

[agile shoal]

Some maps can be cheesed if the player doesnt shoot

[white saddle]

Yeah that’s what I’m gonna try to fix

but the area has like 12 Mancubi anyway

[agile shoal]

Force them to shoot.
Put a chaingun threatning the player

[white saddle]

I don’t think anyone could pacifist this level

[agile shoal]

Going Down map08 has a switch that needs to be shot

This way it alerts the enemies

[agile shoal]

Also, you dont have to connect them with a tunnel. Just give the same tag (non 0) to the sectors

Same tag carries sound

[wispy relic]

Ye, just set it up like map 18 in doom 2

Player starts in a room, the door out only opens by shooting it

[deft horizon]

i found out

like 10 minutes after i said it

[vast citrus]

Icarus is a good but hard mod for Doom2/TNT

DSV, by Kaiser - the man behind KEX metaengine -is a pile of dung

[white saddle]

why wont this dude teleport all the linedefs and stuff are set up correctly

[safe steppe]

Can you screenshot the place in the editor

[white saddle]

ok

the floor lowers but he dont teleport ( i have the tp set up but he still dont tp

[safe steppe]

Does the cyber demon wake up when you shoot?

[white saddle]

yep

[safe steppe]

Does it start moving?

[white saddle]

yea

[safe steppe]

Like does it move around and not just idle in its place?

[white saddle]

it can walk

and shoot when i noclip inside

[safe steppe]

Okay try moving the teleport linedef closer

[white saddle]

ok

[safe steppe]

Put it even inside where the cyberdemon is

[white saddle]

the sector lowers down so if i put it past there hed just tp instantly

so do i need to put it on the sector

[agile shoal]

Make more room for the cyber to walk to

[white saddle]

ok

[agile shoal]

Also, I really recommend using same tag sectors instead of tunnels

[safe steppe]

Try literally putting it here, trust me

[white saddle]

ok he tped, all i had to do was make the room bigger

[safe steppe]

Ah alright

[wispy relic]

the center of a monster/player has to cross the teleport linedef in order to trigger it
not their edges

[white saddle]

ah

most evil room ever

[wispy relic]

also worth noting, monsters cannot use teleports if something's blocking the destination

unlike the player, they are not allowed to telefrag stuff

[haughty flower]

Somebody know hoy to public your own wad????

I have a win.rar of my wad and i don't know hoy to public it

[agile shoal]

You need to ftp it to /idgames

[haughty flower]

or, alternatively use the idgames upload

easier than ftp'ing it to /idgames

What

Ohhh

I know

F

[agile shoal]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/119946-welcome-to-idgames-upload/

[haughty flower]

bruh
I hate you now so much vega

[agile shoal]

This link has everything you need to know

Wait what

[haughty flower]

Ok

[agile shoal]

Idgames upload? Whats that?

[haughty flower]

Thanks

But, i can public wads in Doom Wold /idgames?

[agile shoal]

Yes it goes to idgames

[haughty flower]

Damn vega

[agile shoal]

www.gamers.org/cgi/IdgamesUpload.html

I just found out about this.
I used to ftp it before. But this is much simpler

[haughty flower]

Ftp??

file transfer protocol

Oh ok, im spanish, i don't know much english

[agile shoal]

Ftp is sending a file to a server directly.
It needed some specific app and was slow and confusing

Better to forget its existence

[haughty flower]

Ok, better

Thanks, all the day im searching info, testing things at doom World but i don't find nothing, you help me soo much :D

[agile shoal]

You should also make a thread on Doomworld to raise awareness to your wad

[haughty flower]

Ok

[wispy relic]

oh yeah baby

fuckin sewer map time

[crisp dragon]

oh boy

[still dagger]

Civvie's sewer count boutta go up

[trail steeple]

sewer count goes ding

[shadow trail]

yeah was thinking of that

[terse hamlet]

when i want to change the editor id of a thing with a zscript do i change it the same way i would for a decorate file

[mossy sinew]

this is a stupid question, but how do i make a door in slade?

[safe steppe]

The same way you would do it in doom builder, create a sector with its ceiling lowered to its floor, then make its linedefs have a DR action and tag both sector and linedef

[mossy sinew]

ok ty

[wispy relic]

ZScript does not natively let you assign ID numbers to Things (unlike DECORATE).
You have to use MAPINFO or something in conjunction with it; I’m not too sure

Fortunately, most stuff from Realm667 that has Zscript is also written in DECORATE; it’s usually in an entry named “OLDCODE” like in that pic you shared

Delete the ZScript entry and rename OLDCODE to DECORATE and you should be good to go

[terse hamlet]

I tried giving them IDs in the zscript and none of them worked so that explains it

[deft horizon]

is my first map too easy/short? it needs to be ran with gzdoom

[crisp dragon]

I'll check it out

[crisp dragon]

I feel like it really is super easy and short, maybe you could add a tiny bit more to the map and add a few more tough monsters.

[deft horizon]

thhanlss

[whole blade]

Gotta use mapinfo to give zscript actors and editor number

[white saddle]

Gonna make ghost enimies

[trail steeple]

by that you mean like spectres ?

[deft horizon]

is that where you make enemies transparent

if so i plan to make a miniboss down the line for my maps thats just an imp that has slightly more health and does less damage but is nearly completely invisible

[crisp barn]

hey, anyone here know how to animate textures in slade?

[white saddle]

Enimies you can only kill with splash damage

It won’t be pure evil though

[trail steeple]

[crisp barn]

Too short and too easy, yes

also blocking the shotgunner with the nukage texture is confusing

[deft horizon]

nukage my beloved

[crisp barn]

sweet, sweet nukage

[trail steeple]

mmm the green,wet boogers that damage you

[crisp barn]

the forbidden slushie, if you will

[trail steeple]

lmao

[white saddle]

Why are chain gunners assholes

[wispy relic]

You need to make an entry named "ANIMDEFS" in the wad with the textures

in there you can define the animations in a few different ways, depending on what it is you're trying to do
see this page for more detail https://zdoom.org/wiki/ANIMDEFS

(note that this is for ZDoom and its child ports specifically; if you're making something for Vanilla or limit-removing Doom, you'll have to do something else)

[crisp dragon]

nope, I think he means ghost monsters that can walk through walls, or those stealth monsters that only appear when they attack

I'm dreading the final bingus wad

It's essentially gonna be Hell Revealed 3

[terse hamlet]

i managed to get them working, thanks for the help

Unable to find sprite lump "HETRJ" used by actor "FleshTree2":31063. Forgot to include required resources?

what does this error mean?

i dont know much about how scripting works but if i had to guess the actor for the hell tree decoration im using is calling for a sprite but theres a typo so it cant find it

is that right?

[sacred pine]

This is an awful discovery for the players and good for the mappers.

[wispy relic]

(I also have that pack downloaded from Realm667)
it means that the game cannot find this sprite when an actor definition is calling for it

UDB is funky about loading PK3 files when you choose to "Load Resources from Directory/Folder"

like for my mod, that Hell Trees thing is literally the only outside resource I'm using that's a PK3 and not a WAD

so I have everything set up like this lol

[terse hamlet]

I didn't actually add it as a resource in doom builder, I combined the wad I made in doom builder with the mod in Slade

Is there any difference?

[wispy relic]

hmm

did you make sure to copy over the sprites for it?

[terse hamlet]

Yep everything is in there

[wispy relic]

did you make these SS_START and SS_END markers and put them around the sprites? PK3s don't need them to demarcate where Sprites are, but I think WADs do

[terse hamlet]

I didn't do that, I'll go try it

Do the markers go only before and after the sprites or should there be something else inside them

[wispy relic]

all you have to do is click the New Entry thingy and make two entries with those names

SS_START goes right before them, and SS_END goes right after them like above

shouldn't need to do anything else

[terse hamlet]

shit it worked

thanks again @wispy relic

[wispy relic]

yooo
glad to hear it

[trail steeple]

Doesnt It allow you to use just the pk3 as a resource ?

[wispy relic]

Here's how I have it set up

[wispy relic]

"Combined Resource Folder" is a directory with all of these WADs in it

so that I don't have to tell UDB to load 40+ files individually

but putting a PK3 file in that folder with WAD files causes something to mess up (still don't know why, it just does)
so I took the PK3 file out of it and told UDB to load it separately

[haughty flower]

why does GZDoom not work with thatchers-techbase?

[safe steppe]

It says it does on the website, but if you cant get it to work use dsda doom, as this mod was designed for boom format

[haughty flower]

@safe steppe thanks 🙂

[errant osprey]

Been working on this deathmatch map all day, can someone tell me how to improve please?

DOOM2 MAP01
It's my first deathmatch map BTW
gzdoom only

[white saddle]

map 07 is going good i think

[crisp dragon]

wtf are these encounters

lemme put this into perspective: Blind run player, picks up rocket launcher, starts firing on the mancubi, then suddenly a damn cyberdemon teleports in

they run up the stairs only to get blocked by mancubi, and if they get past, have to contend with revenants and archviles

this is beyond harsh or challenging, it's cruel, extremely cruel

are you trying to actively make Hell Revealed 3?

I can say that the decor looks pretty nice tho

gameplay is leaning towards "bullshit"

what's up with that shotgunner though? He doesn't do anything, he doesn't even retaliate even when you shoot him

you may want to go check that out

this is UV pistol start no saves and no cheats

[white saddle]

My way of doing that fight is by rocketing all the mancubi and one there dead I go up the stairs (which triggers the cyberdemon and kill him

Then I face the archvile and the pain elementals

[safe steppe]

I've played map7 and I think it's way too difficult, difficult in a frustrating way, you should find a way to make the experience challenging without making it outright unfair and unfun

You seem to understand how to use the mapping tools, but you still need to work on the fights

[crisp dragon]

you do realize once you start shooting the cyberdemon immediately wakes up right?

[trail steeple]

mancubus in a VERY tight space ?

And an ARCHVILE in a place you CAN't hide ?

again,player starts in a place where enemies directly see him

[white saddle]

Yes but the wall lowered later

[white saddle]

You gotta stay behind the red walls

[trail steeple]

there is barely any room to hide from the archie in this room

also,missing textures

[white saddle]

Missing texture is meant for you to see the archvile

I stay behind one of the bookcases

[trail steeple]

it's quite confusing imo

[white saddle]

Yeah

[trail steeple]

you should add a column or something so player can bome around and effectively hide from the archie

[white saddle]

cac

[trail steeple]

12 mancubi

in a single room with close to none cover

[white saddle]

I’ve done it no hit you just gotta circle strafe most of the time

The cyberdemon will teleport when you go up the stairs

[trail steeple]

and i see you've done nothing to improve the previous maps,didn't even fix the misalignments

[white saddle]

Where are misalignments I need to fix them

[trail steeple]

map01

[white saddle]

yeah map 01 was my first ever time making a doom map

It’s not that good

[trail steeple]

it's a bad idea to make a very hard wad as your first ever doom mapping experience

fix that,it's very ugly

[white saddle]

[trail steeple]

also,this switch is way too high

[white saddle]

Didn’t know how to lower it my first time around so yeah I’ll probably go back in later and fix all these

[trail steeple]

map 2

remove this fake switch

[white saddle]

Map 02 is the worst map of them all so have fun lmao

probably just gonna redo map 02 all of it

[trail steeple]

maps 1-5 imo should all get remade

[white saddle]

I kinda like map 05 ngl

[trail steeple]

make this secret more obvious,leave a hint

god this looks ugly

[white saddle]

yeah map 03 is kinda underwhelming

[white saddle]

just appears like that idk why but ingame I don’t see issue with it

[white saddle]

Oh the missalgnment

[trail steeple]

ugly af

the
what

[white saddle]

rocket launcher go brr

[trail steeple]

a rocket launcher ? in a place where you can barely move ?

bruh

[white saddle]

exit

[trail steeple]

but it lacks textures

[white saddle]

like in scythe map 26 is like that

[trail steeple]

good luck jumping that without gzdoom's jump option

[white saddle]

Archvile jump

[trail steeple]

bad idea and bad level design

you shouldn't let the player softlock themselves

you first have to properly understand how an enemy works and why doom 1/2 levels' layout is good and fun to play

[white saddle]

yeah map 06 is when I learned that a bit more

[trail steeple]

this is also a sign of bad level design

[white saddle]

[trail steeple]

notice how none of doom 1/2 maps put a strong enemy right behind you/right at your face

[white saddle]

yeah but it’s meant to be more difficult

[trail steeple]

but it shouldn't be that cruel

[trail steeple]

by doing stuff like this you will make other players hate you and your wad

this room....my god

[white saddle]

I just try to kill the hit scanners before I enter the room

[trail steeple]

inconsistent steps

ugly and doesn't even look like stairs

[wispy relic]

Eh, I'm p sure Plutonia does that once or twice with the STEPLAD textures

just make sure to align the woodmetal on the right

[crisp dragon]

"More difficult"

This is Hell Revealed levels of difficult, wdym "more difficult" this is beyond "more"

Also, consider people that are playing this BLIND

You are the map creator, you know how to exactly tackle each one of these fights and how it's exactly supposed to go

It's always easier for the map creator

People who are playing blind will never anticipate any of these things while you can because you know they're there

In moments they will get shredded down

Also how tf do you progress in map07? Past the cyberdemon room I can't find anything

And what's with that unreachable secret with only a cacodemon in it

[crisp dragon]

Also this

The cyberdemon teleports immediately, it doesn't even wait until you go up the stairs

You shoot once, he teleports in

The only best way is to go up the stairs without shooting, grab the plasma rifle, hose down the archvile in which unless RNJesus is on your side you WILL get zapped while focusing on not getting hit by mancubi on both sides, then kill the mancubi, and you have to manage your ammo enough to actually be able to kill the cyberdemon

A blind player CANNOT figure all of this out in their first run

I've only devised this strat after playing a couple of times

Also, consider this

Your map01 requires an archvile jump to access a secret

Mind you, who is behind other monsters

And you also only get a soulsphere and GREEN armor

green armor

And that archvile in map05, if you're 100% it's going to be a b*tch trying to kill it with absolutely no cover AND health pickups at the end

If you're doing continuous playthrough

And then at map06, you get hosed down by a chaingunner behind you

And then how're you supposed to know that there's a secret BFG behind the archvile?

Jump your way to the archvile... then what?

Kill it with the super shotgun?

Rely totally on RNG for pain chances?

-_-

[wispy relic]

to this point, I've only seen archvile secret jumps in a couple of places (granted, I've not played many unofficial wads besides plutonia 2 and mock 2)
TNT, where you do it to get a Megasphere on top of a crate
and Plutonia 2, where you do it to reach the secret exit in map 16

so ye, if something takes an archvile jump, it really needs a suitable reward

[trail steeple]

and a green armor + a soulsphere is a bad reward

not worth the effort

[trail steeple]

exactly

i my honest opinion: mapmakers should make the wad with the idea of it being someone's first wad in mind

unless they are openly going to state that it's meant for more advanced/hardcore players

and also:i think everyone should try making simple and easy wads instead of jumping straight into hard stuff

[crisp dragon]

It needs to be replaced with blue armor and a soulsphere

Upon reaching that room, your health and armor are probably gonna look terrible anyway

So it's not going to be the same thing as a megasphere

[trail steeple]

and the enemies should be removed from the spawn area

adding 2 shotgunners up-front the spawn and a meatball behind is awful

[crisp dragon]

Seriously, 2 shotgunners and 2 pain elementals right at the start

That's automatically a bad sign

It's a Hell Revealed sign

[trail steeple]

bad map design at its finest

[crisp dragon]

Fordon, don't ever play hell revealed unless you want to torture yourself

At least sunlust looks good

[trail steeple]

i'd rather play go 2 it on nightmare pistol-start

[crisp dragon]

You know that map design is at its finest

When the regular shotgun is being guarded by barons, imps, hell knights, and archviles

[trail steeple]

a regular shotty,not even the double-barrel one

[crisp dragon]

Yep

No super shotgun in this map

Oh yeah, include sniping revenant sentries in windows across buildings

That are protected by the blockmap bug

[trail steeple]

if i had a permission i would remake this entire wad to make it easier,more fun to play and better-looking

[agile shoal]

Challenge accepted. Will post yt video + demo when its done

[crisp dragon]

[trail steeple]

[crisp dragon]

Wtf no PBeGood4 don't torture yourself

[agile shoal]

I have actually never played go 2 it

[crisp dragon]

Its not bad on ultra-violence

[agile shoal]

I skipped it.
So this will be ... fun

[crisp dragon]

But I can only imagine the fast projectiles on nightmare

And the no reaction time

Bwuh

[agile shoal]

fast + respawn + Max damage rolls

Sounds good

[trail steeple]

honestly that ultimatebingus.wad needs a total remake

[agile shoal]

There are no runs for go 2 it nightmare on dsdarchive.
This is not a good sign

[crisp dragon]

...

Oh no

[trail steeple]

not even pistol-start ones ?

[crisp dragon]

All levels are pistol started unless you're doing a D2All

[agile shoal]

There are some NM100S tho

[crisp dragon]

That's better

[agile shoal]

Of course they were made by Doom gods. But its a good sign

[crisp dragon]

Bruh...

Anyway as I was saying iirc there were even people on the speedrunning discord who b*tched about the blockmap bug protected revenants on hell revealed map14

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/854794877594501143/891406239630782644/Screenshot_20210925-152959.png

[trail steeple]

why are terry wads a thing

[trail steeple]

anyone has any ideas on how i can expand this cave-like place ?

[wispy relic]

what’s the blockmap bug?

[agile shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IYz6-KnvWU

This video is must watch

This bug is not present in gzdoom btw

[vast citrus]

What is the general consensus on the DSV mod?

I managed to successfully repack DSV with FreeDoom into a Boom compliant IWAD. Vanilal compliance would have required some parts from doom2.wad, making it illegal

but the original author of DSV is Kaiser, the same man who gave us the KEX engine (initially as a Doom/Turok static recompiler not-quite-emulator thing)

I think DSV is a meh wad

[crisp dragon]

So, lemme give ya a quick rundown.

Blockmaps are the way DOOM calculates collisions. When you fire a projectile, instead of conventionally checking the projectile and then checking if it collided with anything in the level, id Software decided to be geniuses and invent the blockmap, which is a grid of 128x128 squares. It calculates collsions in each own separate little block, to both speed up collision and the game. However, it's not exactly perfect.

Now, monsters have a unique collision system for their hitboxes. Normally, instead of having 4 sides for the collision box, id Software simply decided to draw an X in the collision box to also speed up collision checks.

The blockmap bug comes into play here, because once again the monster's X hitbox isn't also perfect. Sometimes, the game renders an error where the monster is in multiple blockmaps but the game only recognizes it as it being in 1, therefore cutting off part of the X collision hitbox and making it much smaller, which increases your chance to miss.

This is the most barebones I can realistically get, Coincident in the video talks about it more in-depth, so if you want understand better on why the blockmap bug occurs, then just watch his video :)

[vast citrus]

Coffeeguy, do you have the tools and knowledge to examine a Doom 2 mod repack?

Kaiser's DSV megawad, in its Legacy (not Boom) version since I was unsure how Boom-compliant Crispy is. Just used freedoom2.wad as base, with retres, DSV system (menu, music, reskins of the guns and some foes) - done just for testing Crispy's merge feature and I'm asking if there are any major foul-ups in this repacks since Crispy's merge feature is experimental

as far as I can tell, works fine with Boom

[vast citrus]

Drat, seems some sounds are missing under Boom but fine under newer ports

[sacred pine]

That reminds me, there's no runs of Okuplok's Slaughter Map on Nightmare, not even on TAS. And almost all the runs of that map on UV are on TAS, the only human one was with no monsters.

Not human, the only one that didn't use it.

[white saddle]

It’s not finished yet so yeah, also when you reach the top of the stairs that’s when the wall lowers to let the cyberdemon out

[trail steeple]

guys what's up with that weird OpenAL error ? it entirely cuts off the sound of the game unless i restart it

it always happens when i'm using a shotgun up-close

[vast citrus]

change the sound output engine if possible

[trail steeple]

how can i do that

[safe steppe]

If you encounter the problem again instead of restarting gzdoom, try going to Options> Sound> Advanced> OpenAL options> then change playback device

[trail steeple]

do i do this in windows options or in gzdoom

[safe steppe]

gzdoom

[trail steeple]

oh ok

[safe steppe]

do it only if you encounter the problem again

I think what's happening is gzdoom for whatever reason is changing your playback device automatically to the wrong one

[trail steeple]

seams like that finally stopped

thanks for the help

here's the newest version of my wad, needs to be run in GZDoom. All of the levels can be pistol-started (that's how i tested those levels out). level MAP04 doesn't have an exit yet

[vast citrus]

might be somewhere in sound options - sound driver or whatever

[trail steeple]

i've managed to fix it

it was in OpenAL options in the sound category

[vast citrus]

I know OpenAL is best avoided

[vast citrus]

What's the meaning of AGM on the "logo door" in FreeDoom?

[safe steppe]

I don't know but I found this hilarious thread https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/47302-what-does-agm-stand-for/

[trail steeple]

another generic massacre

[trail steeple]

encountered the issue again,tried changing it but it didn't do shit

oh wait,going to options and restarting sound fixes it

[vast citrus]

lame in-joke?

[trail steeple]

why does that happen tho

[vast citrus]

Alien Genetic Modifications?

given that the Pinky is a Larva in FreeDoom

[trail steeple]

it looks like turning off EFX in audio options removed this issue

[vast citrus]

S-shaped (if moving right) huge larva or leech

[trail steeple]

nope,it didn't

still broken

how do i fix this permamently and why does it happen

[vast citrus]

__/\__lso, why is the font in FreeDoom so broken?

Those "/\" letters are really __/\wow/\__rd

NEW G__/\__ME

[white saddle]

Gonna make a new wad called soul crusher

it will be cruel and hard so have fun

[remote bluff]

i have a working build of abort_m, and im assuming that it was probably the song that plays when you pick up the berserk that got it dmca'd, so if i can remove that, it could be safe to rerelease, if the original creator is ok with it

[remote bluff]

freedoom seems to be broken anyways, at least on android, seeing as it wouldnt let me load abort in any wads

[trail steeple]

cruel =/= fun

making cruel wads is a bad way to go

especially on the beginning

the only worse way to go is making terrywads or unbeatable nuts.wad clones

[white saddle]

What is terrywads

Can I transfer a level from a different wad into a different wad

[trail steeple]

yes

[trail steeple]

a terrywad is a very shitty bait wad that is like a internet screamer,but made for doom,it can also in some cases take up alot of disc space just to annoy the potential player even more

[white saddle]

Ok now that’s just a dick move

[maiden plover]

im trying to make a sky in UDB and this is happening how do i fix

[haughty flower]

press tab while in 3d mode

[wispy relic]

it's this little button in the toolbar btw
and fyi, so long as you're using that F_SKY1 flat on a floor/ceiling, it should always render properly in-game. It doesn't make a difference whether in UDB you have the pretty sky option toggled or not

[trail steeple]

you are doing everything right,it just looks like this,you can always press the TAB key to make it look like the skybox in-game

[maiden plover]

Oh ok thanks

[unkempt tartan]

Hey is there anyone here who makes iwads?

I had a question about the actual data showing on a map like the title, the music, any plot text and whatnot

[crisp dragon]

you mean pwads, right? IWADs are the games themselves.

[unkempt tartan]

oh...

I've heard them called both

so I guess it's just preference or whatever

[safe steppe]

IWADS are the main game files, such as doom2.wad or doom.wad plutonia.wad etc...

[unkempt tartan]

but anyway, I was just wondering how I can change the title of the actual map in the game and then add music and an ending text

[safe steppe]

PWADS or simply WADS are files that modify something that exists or adds new stuff

[trail steeple]

chexquest.wad counts too i guess

or whatever it's called

[crisp dragon]

hm, true as it can run by itself

[safe steppe]

You need to download slade, check what the name of the lump you want to change is, then add your own lump in a new pwad

[unkempt tartan]

wait, you don't do that with Doom Builder?

[crisp dragon]

nope

[safe steppe]

nope, doom builder is mainly for making maps

[unkempt tartan]

that seems counterproductive...

[safe steppe]

slade is the modding tool

[crisp dragon]

you do that with SLADE3

[safe steppe]

Not sure what techniques gzdoom has for changing map title but if you want to go the old way that supports all source ports this is a good tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfQWZNliozM

[unkempt tartan]

well, I'm finally done with my 3 level pwad, Necromancer

it's far from perfect but it plays very smooth from what I'm told

[safe steppe]

feel free to share any wip wads in this channel as there are a bunch of people who enjoy playtesting (not me though tbh)

[unkempt tartan]

lol

it's cool, I'll be posting it here soon once I get a few more details ironed out

but the levels themselves are done

I am told that they play much like the original classic Doom levels

I mean.... I don't have anything on par with anything Romero or Peterson did but I feel like I did alright adding a fun element and challenge to it

[unkempt tartan]

Wow there's a lot of programs for these things

[trail steeple]

slade3 and doom builder 2/ultimate doom builder is the minimum

also,if you will ever feel like you want custom content in your wad,but don't know how to do that,check out Realm667

it's a cool site with custom content for all idtech1 games

[trail steeple]

guys how do i fix that sound issue i had yesterday for good ?

i hate having to pause the game and pressing "restart sound" in the game's options every 3 times i shoot a super shotgun

[safe steppe]

try maybe a new gzdoom install

[trail steeple]

that may help

seams like this issue stopped

yes,it fixed

Question: how can i make the game always load a pk3 ?

[safe steppe]

You can use the ZDL3

[trail steeple]

what's that

[safe steppe]

Its a launcher for gzdoom, instead of opening gzdoom you have a launcher that opens it for you, it can remember witch wads you want to use

[trail steeple]

hm

[safe steppe]

for me I always have the communityTexturesWad loaded and the complevel is always 9, I dont have to set them myself everytime I open it

if you don't like using a launcher I think you can also use an autoexec but I don't know how that works

[trail steeple]

am i doing that right

[safe steppe]

You need to first set up the source port and Iwad in general setting

external files should only be pwads

[trail steeple]

ok

now that's better

[safe steppe]

Yeah that looks right

[unkempt tartan]

Alright!

I got the maps linked up together in a pwad, now I just need to figure out how to use the Slade thingies

but this is good, this means I can beta test all three maps together in a straight runthrough

and I'd like to thank you guys for your help, I'm sorry if I sounded over analytical but that's just how I get with this crap, it can get a little frustrating in some areas

[trail steeple]

https://youtu.be/EucWtn__O8Q here's a helpful tutorial on making doom wads,it also shows how to make a custom episodes and stuff

[unkempt tartan]

Oooohhh

so you play Lalf Hife?

[trail steeple]

[safe steppe]

Referring to your username probably

[unkempt tartan]

I'm sure he got that XD

[quiet oasis]

what the fuck is up with the slow mode dude thats so stupid

can you guys turn that shit off on this channel

[trail steeple]

no need to be so angry about it

[quiet oasis]

its so inconvenient

for no reason

i cant send multiple attachments in one message

[trail steeple]

any advice on how to make a amap more interesting ?

[unkempt tartan]

well

One thing I do to make a map more interesting is to add switches that do unexpected things