classic-doom-maps-mods

[white saddle]

the archvile on the left

[safe steppe]

What tag does the linedef have?

[white saddle]

267

[safe steppe]

It should be the same as the sector

[white saddle]

yeah they both have the same

[safe steppe]

267? Are you sure thats the tag ant not the action?

[white saddle]

tag and action

[safe steppe]

Alright and the sector that has the teleport destination where is it

[white saddle]

the to the mancubus

[safe steppe]

Yeah you just need to click on the thing tool and place a teleport destination inside that sector

[white saddle]

ok

[safe steppe]

This

[white saddle]

wth the tp destination didnt work

he still goes in that same spot

[safe steppe]

When you hover over the teleport linedef in the editor does it show an arrow that leads to the teleport destination

[white saddle]

no

[safe steppe]

Check the linedefs tag

[white saddle]

ok

[safe steppe]

Not same thing as action

[white saddle]

does every linedef have to be 267

tag

[safe steppe]

The action should be any teleport action like 97 or 267 etc...

[white saddle]

yeah i have that

[safe steppe]

The tag can be any number, however it should have the same tag as the sector with the teleport destination in it

[white saddle]

i cant tag the tp destination

theres no option for it

[safe steppe]

You sont tag the destination, you click on the sector tool, then right click the sector that houses the teleport destination, after that give it a tag

[white saddle]

ok

well it has its tag idk why it wont work

[safe steppe]

Yep like that but Id suggest you click on "New" so it gives it a new tag

[white saddle]

ok

[safe steppe]

Whats the new number you got?

[white saddle]

1

[safe steppe]

Ok now go to the teleport linedefs, here

[white saddle]

ok

[safe steppe]

Click the linedef tool and choose both of them then right click

Give them thr tag 1, not action, tag 1

[white saddle]

ok

oh nice it worked! thanks for the help

[safe steppe]

No probs, if you ever have trouble send a msg here or dm me and ill help if iam online

[white saddle]

ok

[white saddle]

its finishe

[wispy relic]

oho

[safe steppe]

I am not sure what that is but you can check this out https://doomwiki.org/wiki/C2Doom

[patent owl]

So, I made my first self-produced WAD ever. It's a simple one based on a post I saw on Reddit. Only takes up 25Kb.

Objective/challenge: kill the cyberdemon with only a pistol and 400 bullets.

[white saddle]

ok

gonna play it

[white saddle]

which map slot and iwad

i tried every map in doom2 and it wont work

[fallen panther]

@crisp dragon

It's a Wolfenstein based standalone game type mod

[white saddle]

ok i beat the challenge

that was pretty hard

[novel gorge]

Oh god blade of agony

[novel gorge]

Remember what happened with episode 3

[patent owl]

Sorry, I forgot to mention it was a Doom 1 WAD. It loaded fine with GZDoom for me.

Not a truly difficult challenge unless you're playing on Nightmare and constantly strafe shooting whole dealing with the constant barrage of rockets. More tedious than anything, I suppose. I could've excluded the pillar but it felt empty without something in there.

[white saddle]

yeah

[fallen panther]

Yeah but version 3 is still available if you want it and there's a file that restores the censored stuff

[novel gorge]

Restores it?! Why would I want that!?

But yeah why would you want an uncensored version anyway

All it adds is a cruel joke targeting a trans woman and the ability to kill Holocaust victim zombies

People cried about censorship when it was taken down but is that really what you want in your game?

[fallen panther]

Don't care i want it as it originally was

Though i didn't know exactly what was censored beyond the nazi imagery untill now

The censoring also apparently makes one of the levels look drab and boring

[novel gorge]

It’s just disgusting

[fallen panther]

World War 2 was a horrible time in history censoring art of that time won't make it go away

[novel gorge]

Censoring nazi imagery in a nazi game is kinda weird they should keep that
But the other stuff I mentioned has no place anywhere

Like the trans woman thing is just insulting the creator of zdoom

[fallen panther]

That depends on the context especially the second part about holocaust victims

For example in a desperate situation where their choice is either to die quickly and be freed of their pain or live and suffer I'd probably choose the former and just put them out of their misery

Oh the creator is Trans? Interesting

[novel gorge]

No it’s zombies that are Holocaust victims

You just fuckin shoot em it’s weird

[fallen panther]

I don't see an issue with that it's the past Comming back to haunt people as it often does

That's how i look at it anyway

[novel gorge]

Feels more like a bad taste joke than some sort of artistic thing

But did they really censor nazi propaganda as well?

[fallen panther]

How is that a joke 🤔 i guess I'll have to experience it myself first to really understand it

Apparently so

[novel gorge]

THAT is weird

[fallen panther]

Yeah There's really no point in censoring nazi anything in a game about world War 2

Hiding hitlers face isn't going to make it not about world War 2

[novel gorge]

Maybe not a joke but they certainly didn’t think it through

Like if you want to be shooting dead Holocaust victims in your game you definitely need to spend a LONG time thinking about it, how to not make it completely crass and offensive

[crisp dragon]

It's probably easier on nightmare actually

[novel gorge]

Ok I think I might have been wrong you don’t shoot Holocaust zombies, that was weird information

[crisp dragon]

Because of how often the cyberdemon shoots, he doesn't move around much which means he's a sitting duck as long as you got proper dodging skills

[novel gorge]

It just takes place in a concentration camp
Still a bit of a tightrope walk but I don’t think that should have been censored

[crisp dragon]

I'll go test it when I get home

I've shotgunned a cyberdemon to death before, I can definitely pew it to death

[pulsar pike]

What is going on

[patent owl]

This "challenge" WAD idea came about after reading a post on Reddit with a meme of monster with 4000 HP (cyberdemon) vs a really angry guy armed with just a pistol (doomguy), which isn't actually the case usually. But the math was done and the bullets with a 5-15 RNG and the backpack giving a maximum of 400 bullets, it's technically possible given your shots having 100% (or damn near it) accuracy.

Just gotta collect the bullets and teleport at the end of the hall into the octagon.

It's nothing special. Just something I slapped together over the course of an hour or two on Sunday night. I never made my own 100% OC WAD before.

[white saddle]

wth why do i spawn like this

i dont get it

[safe steppe]

Maybe the floor and ceiling height are the same?

[wispy relic]

Also looks like you have the hall of mirrors effect going on there

[crisp dragon]

Well the pistol actually has 100% accuracy if you tap the fire key and not hold it down since the code makes a refire check, if the refire check fails the bullet tracer will always remain 100% accurate

400 x 5 = 2000

400 × 15 = 6000

So in the end you'll do only about 2000 - 6000 damage with the pistol

[white saddle]

how do i fix this door issue

[haughty flower]

doom.fandom.com/wiki/Slime_trail#:~:text=A slime trail is vertical,even in perfect node builders.

think that's what you might be experiencing

[white saddle]

also how do i make roof higher

[patent owl]

I know that if you go into 3d mode (Q) you can use the scroll wheel to adjust height.

[white saddle]

thanks

[patent owl]

Yes. That was the conclusion from the math in the post I read. The average shot from RNG should be 10. 10x400=4000. Mathematically possible to kill a cyberdemon using 400 bullets or less. I guess in my small WAD it becomes more or less about surviving the onslaught of rockets by pretty much just circle strifing and still hitting your shots.

[white saddle]

what

[wispy relic]

That hall of mirrors (HOM) effect you're seeing there usually indicates that a texture is missing

Can you open your map in visual mode for the editor and show what this area looks like?

[white saddle]

@wispy relic

[wispy relic]

hmm
can you upload your wad as it is right now without changing anything? I'll take a look in a few minutes

[white saddle]

okay

btw this is in MAP02 unless you wanna play map 1 lol

[novel gorge]

That’s just revenants too short for their sprite

[white saddle]

also the revenants just completely walk over the teleporter but sometimes they do tp

[wispy relic]

alright, I have an idea

@white saddle at any point in time, did you have a sector or room or something over here

that you maybe deleted or removed or w/e

[white saddle]

yes i did

[wispy relic]

alright
how exactly did you get rid of it?

[white saddle]

made new lindefs and deleted the sector

[wispy relic]

alright, so the issue is that whatever you did to remove that sector was not thorough

[white saddle]

?

[wispy relic]

you can see here this linedef still has a back side, when it should be 1-sided

[white saddle]

oh

yeah there was gonna be a two sided wall there so that explains it

[wispy relic]

in the future when you get rid of a sector, I recommend you do it by switching to Sector mode, then hover over the sector you're getting rid of, and press the "Delete" button on your keyboard

[white saddle]

thats what i normally do

[wispy relic]

that should always work properly

[white saddle]

ok nice the issue is gone

usually it sometimes doesnt do that

weird

[white saddle]

this thing

[wispy relic]

I'm taking another look at your wad, and I'm seeing a bunch of broken sectors like the one from earlier

all three of these lines

[wispy relic]

This looks like you drew a line and gave it a middle texture that's taller than the sector it's placed in

e.g. that Ash Wall texture is 128 units tall, but the sector it's in is only 112 units tall
or something like that

[white saddle]

ah

[crisp dragon]

pumping 400 bullets into a cyberdemon ain't hard, it's just tedious

so far my best is about 162 bullets

it's so much easier on nightmare than it is on UV, just as I predicted

shame that you can't run this in a boom compatible sourceport

GZDoom can't really handle recording demos and screen recording that well

I was planning on making a video about this

I'll continue after a shower

[patent owl]

Ok, who here is the one making Golden Axe with Doom?

[viral notch]

https://twitter.com/CardboardMarty/status/1433435507774656513?s=20

Carlos Sanchez (@CardboardMarty)

My primary focus this week has been creating a new HUD for #thespacepirate! Initially, the previous HUD was an attempt to HD-ify the previous HUD, but @DrPyspy and I opted for a cleaner aesthetic that meshes better with the newer mugshot by @ByAnaGroL. Only missing fonts now!

Twitter · Sep 2, 2021, 2:23 PM

[empty prism]

is it possible to install mods to the doom 2020 rerelease?

[safe steppe]

You can download some wads using the add-on button in the main menu

if you want to use a custom wad it has to be limit removing vanilla doom compatible and you have to mess with the files

best option is to extract the doom iwad file and use a source port

[empty prism]

yeah that was what I thought

[white saddle]

how do i get a switch to open a door

[wispy relic]

1. Make sure you're using a linedef special that starts with 'S', so something like 'S1' or 'SR', and not 'D1' or 'DR'
2. The switch linedef and the door sector will need to have matching tags, so for example the switch line will have Tag: 5 and the door sector will also have Tag: 5
3. (for switches in general) Switches can only be activated from the front side (the one with the nib sticking out in doom builder) in Doom, so make sure the front is the side of the line that the player can access/press

Ultimate Doombuilder by default will show you when your line specials are linked to a sector or w/e; for example, hovering over the switch on the left shows that it opens the door sector on the right in this image

[rocky laurel]

Is Hexen Mapping acceptable here?

[novel gorge]

No ONLY doom no vibeogame

[novel gorge]

Basically just post it here the mods don’t have sticks up their asses

[rocky laurel]

I'm looking for technical help;

and my Hexen project

[novel gorge]

Aw man
Can’t help you there sorry

[fallen panther]

Try the heretic and hexen server

[rocky laurel]

is very complex,. and I am working on a Doom 2 Compatibility mode just for situastions like this.

[fallen panther]

All the more reason to have access to both servers

[rocky laurel]

They don't like me.

I'm not welcome there.

The mod has a Doom 2 Compatibility mode and will function with the Doom 2 IWAD

[crisp dragon]

why?

[novel gorge]

||he is the benko and false icons of the server ||

[crisp dragon]

oof

[novel gorge]

I actually don’t know lmao

[rocky laurel]

Long story. Drama.

[wispy relic]

not too familiar w/ vanilla Hexen modding unfortunately

[rocky laurel]

This is Zandronum based,.

Anything ZDoom compatible

[crisp dragon]

does slade have proper dark mode?

[haughty flower]

If you have it on Linux yes I think

if its on Windows or Mac I don't think so

[crisp dragon]

well shit

[wispy relic]

does the current build of GZDoom support drawing multiple 3D floors on top of each other?

I remember ZDoom had some undesirable effects when you tried to do that, but it's been a while since then

[novel gorge]

id expect you can do anything in gzdoom, especially since it uses opengl and stuff

[crisp dragon]

seems like gzdoom can run my pretty shit and broken wad fine

sigh all I gotta do now is make it vanilla or boom compatible

all the error says is "invalid level"

I chose the map to be map01 and doom 2 format

[haughty flower]

are you trying it with a different port or still with gz?

[wispy relic]

can you post your WAD?

would prob be faster to give it a look that way

[crisp dragon]

Hm sure, i really do need to expand the room though and learn how to retexture shit so it's not all stone brick

just you, a ssg, and a cyberdemon

@wispy relic

[wispy relic]

alright, lemme get on it

what format are you saving the level in from the editor?

[crisp dragon]

iirc it's boom format

[wispy relic]

ok, so I'm opening it in Crispydoom just fine

however, for some reason the Cyberdemon will not attack, even on Nightmare

[novel gorge]

try prboom+

[wispy relic]

and I cannot see anything in the wad itself to indicate that would happen?

[novel gorge]

yeah coffeguy its one room what did you do to make this happen

[crisp dragon]

well this is extremely strange

[crisp dragon]

wdym

[novel gorge]

like how did you fuck up one room

[wispy relic]

ok I'm lost; I drew and deleted a few sectors and all of a sudden he's attacking right

[crisp dragon]

true true how'd I fuck up 1 room when i've never tried doing anything with slade 🤔

[novel gorge]

why not use ultimate doom builder

[crisp dragon]

does UDB have a mac version?

[wispy relic]

oofers

[novel gorge]

rip

[crisp dragon]

yeah... I got a mac which sucks

[wispy relic]

yeah doesn't look like it, so you're stuck w/ Slade in that case

[haughty flower]

I think you can run it though a VM

or use Wine

[crisp dragon]

wine isn't supported as it's 32-bit I believe

catalina and above stopped 32 bit support though I could possibly use a vm

[haughty flower]

damn, why no 32-bit support?

sounds kinda cringe

[crisp dragon]

yeah they just dropped it

[haughty flower]

bruh moment

[wispy relic]

still puzzling over this odd behavior btw

as best I can tell, the problem is only present when the map is a single sector. drawing another sector fixes it
Can't really figure it out beyond that

[safe steppe]

Darn if only I was home I would`ve taken a look at that wad

[agile shoal]

Slade is good enough for mapping and modding. Only complaint I have is that is does not support MBF21 and that the newer versions dont work on macOS

Iirc, someone here said that there was someone trying to make UDB cross platform

I guess its just a matter of time

[cobalt olive]

Hey does anyone here know how to code complex doom mods I have a friend the needs help

[wispy relic]

Can you be a little more specific? Is your friend trying to make a map, create a new monster, or what?

[cobalt olive]

Well the mod he's working on is a an add-on to eoa but with doom eternal weapons instead of doom 2016 weapons

[crisp dragon]

there's one for that already by Fat Tony?

EOAE

DoomKrakken is working on EOA 2 which is a fully polished version of Doom Eternal for EOA

[cobalt olive]

Well check out eoa eternel hellomemy you can find in on moddb

[crisp dragon]

hm alright

i think it's pretty good but some of the sprites are pretty rough

this is based off Tony's EOA right? You need to give him credit as it's the base

[cobalt olive]

That's why he needs help

[cobalt olive]

Well I'm not the who made it

[crisp dragon]

just discovered infinite chaingun shield glitch lol

[cobalt olive]

There are bugs in it but just i said earlier that's why he needs help

[wispy relic]

went ahead and tested it, it does

p awesome

also really need to get used to the way UDMF lets you give sectors and w/e multiple tags

[wispy relic]

man I shoulda been using UDMF years ago

it opens up so many possibilities over the ol' doom-in-hexen format

[haughty flower]

I DO still prefer Doom In Hexen, mainly due to the fact I have a lot of experience with it

although UDMF makes creating 3d floors easier :lmao:

[trail steeple]

guys i may need a little help

[safe steppe]

if you got a question just ask it

what do ya wanna help with

[trail steeple]

i wanted to add custom monsters into my doom2 wad but i've encountered an issue

as i followed the tutorial i was watching it turns out the files are different from the one in the tutorial

and i can't add the monster in

basically in the tutorial the monster the guy used in the tutorial had a "DECORATE" file that isn't present in my wad file of the monster

[safe steppe]

ugh sorry don't know much about gzdoom stuff

there is a bunch of dudes in this channel who do that might help

[trail steeple]

ok

[agile shoal]

Create a new entry for the wad and name it “DECORATE”

Thats all it takes

It needs to be all caps.

[trail steeple]

but that way i have the file there but it's empty

it has some weird file named "OLDCODE" that looks like that decorate thingy

[trail steeple]

i don't think it does,the monster isn't even in the editor

[trail steeple]

i got it to work,i just needed to rename that "OLDCODE" file to "DECORATE" and bam

[agile shoal]

Thats the same as creating a new file

But maybe that OLDCODE already had something written in it

But it would work the same

[wispy relic]

okay, so what's going on is the old format for making custom monsters/weapons/etc. was called "DECORATE"

however a few years ago, a more robust format (for Zdoom/GZDoom) called "ZSCRIPT" was made, which made DECORATE obsolete for wads using those engines

a lot of old monsters on Realm667 and in other places have been updated to use ZSCRIPT, though in every case I've seen they've left the DECORATE file in and just renamed it OLDCODE

[trail steeple]

i couldn't find any tutorials about getting ZSCRIPT files to work

[novel gorge]

This is why DEHACKED is the best

[wispy relic]

if you're using GZDoom, there should be no issues with ZSCRIPT if you use a console command like "summon bla-bla-bla" or w/e

the issue comes in when you're trying to place your new monster/weapon/etc. in with the map editor

[trail steeple]

and that's my problem

[wispy relic]

DECORATE allows you to define the ID number for them within the file
ZSCRIPT does not

instead you have to define the ID number in MAPINFO or something like that

idk, I didn't look into it too much when I realized what the OLDCODE files were lol

just deleted the ZSCRIPT ones and renamed those to DECORATE and moved on with my day

[trail steeple]

that's what i did like a few minutes ago

[wispy relic]

alright, then you're good

[trail steeple]

but thanks for explaining it

[trail steeple]

what's that

[novel gorge]

[crisp dragon]

DeHackEd is a program allowing you to modify scripts

And it's completely vanilla compatible

D4V(Doom 4 Vanilla) uses DeHackEd to write all its scripts for the weapons and custom monster behavior

You can run it in even chocolate doom I believe

Which is basically next to pure vanilla dos

[novel gorge]

You can run d4v in dos

[trail steeple]

i've encountered yet another issue

i wanted to add another demon just like the otherss

but then it broke the demons' classes and made every other custom demon unuseable

but after deleting it everything was back to normal

is the demon badly programmed or what

[wispy relic]

can you upload the DECORATE entry for it as a text file here?

[trail steeple]

ok i'll try

ACTOR BloodDemonClone 3110
{
//$Category Monsters
Health 300
Speed 12
Height 56
Radius 30
Mass 400
PainChance 180
Meleedamage 5
REACTIONTIME 8
MONSTER
+FLOORCLIP
SeeSound "blooddemon/sight"
PainSound "blooddemon/pain"
DeathSound "blooddemon/death"
ActiveSound "blooddemon/active"
//MeleeSound "blooddemon/melee"
HitObituary "%o Was chewed up and spat out by a Mech-demon."
States
{
Spawn:
SRG2 AB 10 A_Look
Loop
See:
SRG2 A 0 A_PlaySound("blooddemon/walk")
SRG2 AABB 2 A_Chase
SRG2 C 0 A_PlaySound("blooddemon/walk")
SRG2 CCDD 2 A_Chase
Loop
Melee:
SRG2 E 0 A_PlaySound("blooddemon/melee")
SRG2 EF 8 A_FaceTarget
SRG2 G 8 A_MeleeAttack
Goto See
Pain:
SRG2 H 2
SRG2 H 2 A_Pain
Goto See
Death:
SRG2 I 8
SRG2 I 0 A_FaceTarget
SRG2 J 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BloodDemonArm", 10, 0, 32, 0, 8, 0, 0, 128)
SRG2 J 8 A_Scream
SRG2 K 4
SRG2 L 4 A_NoBlocking
SRG2 M 4
SRG2 N -1
Stop
Raise:
SRG2 NMLKJI 5
Goto See
}
}

ACTOR BloodDemonArm
{
Radius 8
Height 8
Speed 8
+DOOMBOUNCE
+DROPOFF
+Missile
States
{
Spawn:
SG2A ABCDEFGH 2
Loop
Death:
SG2A I -1
Loop
}
}

no matter what id number i set he breaks other custom monsters' codes

basically making them unspawnable

[wispy relic]

ok I have a few things in mind

1. make sure the actor name (BloodDemonClone) is not being used or referenced by other monsters
2. make sure there is no conflict in the ID numbers
3. make sure the sprite names (SRG2 and SG2A) don't conflict with other sprites

I think 3 is most likely the issue here, so double check the names of all your other custom Demons' sprites and make sure that they have unique names

Otherwise whatever the last one is that gets loaded with the same name will take precedence and "override" the other sprites, so to speak

[trail steeple]

okay

it seams to be using most of the sprites the other monster uses because it's coded to "loose it's chaingun at low health"

so do i delete the sprites from the other monster or what

[wispy relic]

ok, so if there's a naming conflict with the sprites, you just gotta rename the sprites

and then update the DECORATE entry to use the correct renamed sprites

[trail steeple]

54 sprites to rename

*63

it also uses the same weird gray transparent eye sprites the other wad file has

how many sprites are even in it

93 sprites need to be renamed in total

good lord

would swapping a single letter work ?

in each of those sprites

[novel gorge]

Probably

Cause it’s still a different name

[wispy relic]

If you're using SLADE, it has a function to automate renaming sprites

[trail steeple]

how

i seriously need to know

[wispy relic]

select ALL the sprites that have the same first 4 letters or w/e that need to be renamed

click RENAME, and change only the first 4 letters to whatever you're gonna use

boom, it's done

[trail steeple]

thanks,this seriously saves time

[crisp dragon]

👀

[trail steeple]

same with audio files ?

[wispy relic]

should work with any file in SLADE, ye

[trail steeple]

so all that SRG2 mentions in the code should be replaced with what i changed that prefix to ?

[wispy relic]

Yes

You can use ctrl-F to find and replace them in the text, btw

another way to speed things up

[trail steeple]

oh no,did the class double ?

how do i change the class thingy

do i just change the calss name ?

I GOT IT TO WORK less goo

[wispy relic]

gz man

[trail steeple]

and they work

[wispy relic]

when I first started the project I'm working on I took like a solid 3-4 days just cleaning up all the conflicting stuff in DECORATE and sprite names

[trail steeple]

pain.

[haughty flower]

https://youtu.be/HqF95ZaYYJE

[wispy relic]

when everything works smoothly tho it's worth it
👌😩

[trail steeple]

works as it was intended

[wispy relic]

I have gotten floor/ceilling portals to work

my modding power grows ever stronger

[crisp dragon]

And ever his power grew... swift and unrelenting.

[haughty flower]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/terminator-mayhem-arena-urepentant-30/downloads/terminator-mayhem-arena-classic-edition-20

Battle with Bots or with friends as the T800 Endoskeleton, in a HUGE 2.0 update, including voice linese form the terminator himself, taunts, weapon balancing, graphical improvements, new bfgs, and a new skin.

Compatible with zandro, this wad with MADE FOR DEATHMATCH!

Future war!

https://youtu.be/HqF95ZaYYJE

[trail steeple]

can i post Work in Progress wads here ?

[crisp dragon]

sure

@trail steeple

[trail steeple]

okay,good to know

imma upload mine in a sec

so here's my first-ever multi-level wad for doom2 meant to be run in GZDoom.Level 4 is in VERY EARLY development stage

[haughty flower]

hey uh, what happened here?

[wispy relic]

Looks a bit like the tutti frutti glitch combined with the slime trails glitch

can you upload the wad this happened with>

[haughty flower]

ye gimme a sec

there
it should work with any source port

Freedoom Phase 2 is required as the wad uses some of the textures

[novel gorge]

Huh

What iwad is it based off of

[haughty flower]

wdym

idk what Freedoom was based off of

[novel gorge]

Do you play it in doom2.wad

Is this wad file meant for doom2.wad

Because you don’t need a third wad for certain textures, the textures are stored inside your wad file now

[haughty flower]

no, I played it using the Freedoom iwad

[novel gorge]

Ok

[haughty flower]

didn't use doom 2

[novel gorge]

Wait why would you use freedoom for this

[haughty flower]

textures
oh and, this is a technically standalone partial tc?

it's based off of one of my Megaman AU's (cringe, right?)

[novel gorge]

Lol

[agile shoal]

Dont make wads using freedoom as the IWAD. Many people (like me) dont like freeedoom and have no intention on downloading it just to play a wad.
If you want new textures you can find a lot in packs like Otex

[fallen panther]

Honestly free doom isn't really that bad the music especially is awesome better then it has any right to be

[haughty flower]

^^

[trail steeple]

wait what's wrong with freedoom

[novel gorge]

Just kinda weird

[safe steppe]

Freedoom is epic

[safe steppe]

Archvile cannon jumping prototype
IWAD: DOOM2
Format: BOOM (however it works vanilla doom too)

[agile shoal]

What? Thats illegal!

If its Boom, how can it work in vanilla?

[safe steppe]

It uses only 1 boom linedef

the "action 242 create fake floor ceieling" linedef

without it the cannon still works, but the archvile hiding spot isnt so hidden

[agile shoal]

I thought vanilla source ports would not even start that wad

[safe steppe]

It did work with crispy doom

[agile shoal]

Thats interesting.
Making different difficulty levels based on the source port you are playing

[safe steppe]

you could already do that with obstacles though aren't you?

Here is a video in case anyone is wondering what this WAD is

Just did a little test, it works in chocolate doom too! some textures are broken but the cannon works just fine

[trail steeple]

how can i make myself work on my doom2 wad

[safe steppe]

I usually listen to video game music and it gets me in the mood for mapping

[trail steeple]

what music would be perfect to get into the mood of making a sci-fi base that in some parts connects to hellish fortresses

[safe steppe]

Tricky question, check out James Paddock yt channel you might find something there to hype you up

Or it doesnt have to be doom music, I think the electronic music genre is suitable

[trail steeple]

aight,got myself motivated

[trail steeple]

how can i make a flickering light in my map ?

(im using the ultimate doom builder with UDMF format)

[safe steppe]

Choose a sector and give it a light flicker special (special 65) or any other light special

[trail steeple]

thanks

so here's the current layout of the map,any ideas ?

[wispy relic]

Designwise, it looks like you kind of just go from room to bigger room to even bigger room

which ofc not every map needs to be a complex behemoth like The Citadel or Downtown, but you may want to incorporate hallways, platforms/ledges, and more pillars/obstacles in the geometry

also verticality is nice, try to avoid building the entire level on the same plane

[crisp dragon]

^

[rocky laurel]

Right now, I've been working on

Doom 2 Compatibility mode.

[quiet oasis]

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/dm2dd

This is my 22 map limit removing megawad

[trail steeple]

thanks for advice

[quiet oasis]

map02, doom 2 iwad, limit removing. 2 secrets.

[crisp dragon]

👀

[novel gorge]

That looks awesome

Will try it out later

[fallen panther]

I feel like so far call of doom reminds me of project brutalitys 30 weapons but I feel done right you have over 70 weapons that alot have multiple modes and functions

And if they let you have all of those it would be too many weapon syndrome but in most of the game modes it limits how many weapons you can carry at once you'll never really have all 70 at once and I can imagine most players wouldn't want to either

4 by default plus explosives and other items
8 if you're playing on the 8 weapon mode
And 16 if you pick up a backpack in that mode

And it's that limitation that I feel works so well
There's this sort of tinkering that goes on as you modify your load out on the fly based on what you need

I've come to really enjoy that
It's also got a version that's nowhere near as intensive as project brutality so my mobile device can actually run it when things get hectic

[novel gorge]

i can only think of doom 64 when i hear "hectic"

[fallen panther]

Hectic is what I think of when they drop like a room with 50 enemies in it

This one room in Eviternty you get locked into a huge room with with zombies and pinkies and chain gunners and explosive barrels comes to mind

[novel gorge]

i mean the level but yeah

that does sound pretty hectic

dammit the word association i cant escape it

[fallen panther]

Ah I've not actually ever gotten far enough in 64 to get to that level myself yet 😅

[novel gorge]

its accessed through the first level
in a very weird and specific way

[fallen panther]

Ah that's probably why id honestly have to watch a video to see the exact order to destroy those barrels in

[novel gorge]

i had to watch a video lol

[fallen panther]

Yeah it's just not a secret you can find organically

In any way

[novel gorge]

nope

[fallen panther]

I'd probably class that as one of the worst designed secrets in official doom history

[novel gorge]

lmao

[quiet oasis]

k

[novel gorge]

huh

[quiet oasis]

Hectic hard map

[white saddle]

how do i make a teleport closet

[wispy relic]

Like one of those rooms full of monsters outside the regular map bounds which swarm in at a certain point?

for example, in Map 16 of Doom 2

[sage night]

what am i doing wrong.

[trail steeple]

shouldn't doors go upwards instead of downwards ?

these doors also seem to lack a texture at the top

and on the sides too i think

[wispy relic]

can you post the wad here?

[crisp dragon]

Why don't you turn run on

Yoh seem to be walking so slow

That's not normal

Shift? Wut

Bind an autorun key geez

Makes your life 1000000x easier

I knew about this so it's quite old news

Also if you have jumping on turn that off please

How are you discovering these things? There is no secret exit in e1m2, only e1m3

[agile shoal]

Ssg in Doom 1

[fallen panther]

Gz doom has a toggle for always run in the player options

[safe steppe]

The super shotgun in doom 1 is cursed

[fallen panther]

Is it really?
Ultimate doom has the ssg in its data

[safe steppe]

I meant is just doesn't look right at all

like something from an alternative reality

[trail steeple]

what's wrong with jumping in gzdoom

[crisp dragon]

if you're playing vanilla maps, it's breaks everything

it adds verticality in a game with basically none

custom maps with jumping? sure go for it

[trail steeple]

makes sense

[safe steppe]

Jumping and freelook can break a lot of maps, to easily know if you should keep it on or off just check the description of the wad you want to use

for example with something like brutal doom its better if you have jumping but for a boom/vanilla centered wad its not a good idea

[fallen panther]

Honestly with most of the stuff I've played especially custom wads the height of that little jump usually isn't enough

Because devs who don't want you to jump over things will make it so you truely can't

For example in Eviternty
Having that little jump does basically nothing

[safe steppe]

Yep but I think playing the way the developer intended is always the best way

that reminds me of one time when I first started playing doom, I somehow skipped an entire level? i forgot how

by jumping*

A good rule of thumb is to enable jump in gzdoom wads and disable it in boom/vanilla wads

[sage night]

old news

[safe steppe]

you are using linedefs with middle textures, to make a door you must make a sector and drag the ceiling to the floor

[wispy relic]

^

also might as well mention, doors work by going up to the next highest neighboring ceiling, so be careful about that

[sage night]

i can't drag the ceiling down

[safe steppe]

Go into visual mode, left click on the ceiling, use the mouse wheel to drag it down or use PageUp/PageDown keys on your keyboard

[sage night]

ah there we go

thank you man

[safe steppe]

no problem

[fallen panther]

I'm too used to having jump in my shooters to turn it off though what i generally do instead is to find the path the levels want me to take instead of sequence breaking

[safe steppe]

Play the way you like I don't judge

[trail steeple]

how to make this transparent and how to make it allw you to shoot through it ?

[wispy relic]

Draw a single line in the sector

and set that as the middle texture
then set it as "Impassible"

[trail steeple]

how to set it as a middle texture ?

where do i set it

[wispy relic]

ah, you're in UDMF

the Front and Back tabs there have the different textures for the line

you'll see three empty boxes; the middle one is the middle texture

also, you can just draw the line in the room like this

that should make it easier to handle

[trail steeple]

thanks for the advice

so i've encountered a new problem

it floats above the ground

no wait i got it

did i do it right ?

[safe steppe]

yeah

but you either texture the upper textures or raise the ceiling

[safe steppe]

great job

[trail steeple]

this looks alright

[white saddle]

how i add cage around htis big spider

[safe steppe]

Choose the linedefs where you want the cage to be, then give them a middle texture

[white saddle]

thanks but i wanted to have the cage on top

like this

adding a cage on top of the building thing

[safe steppe]

same steps, just replace the middle texture with one of the gate textures

[white saddle]

ok thanks

you think the design fits? its kinda a tech base but the brown i feel like throus it off

or should i use gray bar thing

[safe steppe]

I think the gray bars fit nicely

[white saddle]

ok thanks

this is what the rest of the map look like so far

gray probably fits better

[safe steppe]

Looks very good in my opinion

[white saddle]

thanks this is my 4th ever map

this has all my maps so far

im probably gonna make megwad but idk

or like 11 maps

[trail steeple]

it's cool

[safe steppe]

If you're making maps solo stick to a realistic goal, ~10 maps is a good amount

[trail steeple]

megawad is 15 maps and higher i believe

here's a screenshot of a 4th map from my wad

[white saddle]

alright

[white saddle]

woah that looks epic

slopes in doom? i dont think ive seen that

[safe steppe]

UDMF Format, slopes only work in gzdoom

[white saddle]

time to experiment with teleporting closets

oh boy

[trail steeple]

i'll post my wad here for people to test (map 4 is in a WiP state) requires gzdoom and doom 2

[shadow trail]

i like that nukage thing
good work

[trail steeple]

thanks

did a small update: made the lighting more moody in the first map,in which i changed/aligned/fixed many textures + improved a small amount of geometry in it

[white saddle]

so you guys know map 27 of plutonia right?

i wanna make that infinite chaingunner thing

but whenever i try to the arcvile can still attack me

i just want the archvile to resurrect and not attack

and i tried a 1 map unit gap and it wont stop the attack

ok nvm i got it to work 👍

[novel gorge]

well how did you do it

[white saddle]

since that platform was 128 high

i lowered the archvile next to it down 50

so the archie cant get me

@novel gorge

since he can still resurrect stuff i lowered him

[novel gorge]

nice

[quick crag]

im pretty proud of this one

[tiny lotus]

hello, can someone help my with a error
when i open UDB a error appears that say "Builder:RenderDevice_New Failed"

and if i try to create a new map this appears

i'll be waiting for help :)

[white saddle]

i dont know what this is

did you insert doom2.wad ? or a different wad file

[tiny lotus]

i insert the doom2 wad, the original

[white saddle]

hm

i dont know the issue sorry

someone else could help though

[tiny lotus]

no, nothing, but thanks

[white saddle]

map 04 was way too much of a diff spike but i like it lol

[tiny lotus]

@crisp dragon

lets talk here, here i can put images

ok, i run the updater in administrator and it works

ok, itr finished, lets try UDB

[crisp dragon]

yeah, because the message says "user account does not have write access"

which means it's not an admin account

you may want to change that?

[tiny lotus]

nah

udb still not working

what uninstall app you recomend me?

[crisp dragon]

hm, I'll DM you it

actually, you can just search up a random app cleaner that works, because most of them work exactly the same which is just deleting every file

[novel gorge]

@tulip perch from goldfire in dms who cant talk because of phone number bullshit:

[trail steeple]

that's kinda an ass move to make an enemy that you cannot kill

[novel gorge]

thats plutonia

[wispy relic]

Used sparingly I think it's fine

i.e. don't put them in every map

could also use a crusher to make it so the locked up arch-vile dies and stops resurrecting the chaingunner at some point

either as a reward from a secret or just natural progression in the level

[novel gorge]

Yeah of course

[white saddle]

I recently found out that they are killable and got 100% kills no cheats

With rocket splash damage

[trail steeple]

how do i make a working teleporter

im using udmf

[white saddle]

i dont know i dont think i use udmf

but i think you have a sector with the same tag and a tp dest inside of that sector

[wispy relic]

alright, so the standard Doom teleporter is line action 70

the easiest way to use it in UDMF is to place a "Teleport Destination" thing where you want the teleporter to go (ignore the sector tag), and give that teleport destination a unique tag

then make it so the teleport line directs to that destination's tag

[trail steeple]

so like that's the enterence ?

[safe steppe]

The entrance is the linedef, the exit is the sector with teleport destination inside it

[trail steeple]

oh ok

like that ?

[wispy relic]

You could just make these have the teleport special

[novel gorge]

That’s a Really strangely shaped teleporter

[wispy relic]

also to what Epicgamer's saying, the doom floor/ceiling textures are on a 64x64 grid
the teleporter flats in particular don't look good if you don't make them square like that

[trail steeple]

i think that looks better

[novel gorge]

No it doesn’t

It looks weird and poorly done

[trail steeple]

then how do i do it

[novel gorge]

Make it a square

Smooth meme but not the place

[safe steppe]

can you not? <@&162901871168585728>

[novel gorge]

Damn he went straight for it

[trail steeple]

bruh

[safe steppe]

yeah how'd you know

[trail steeple]

*you're also imagine using "gay" as an insult

[royal wave]

what is goijng on here

[novel gorge]

Boutta be banned for being under 13 years old

[unreal kite]

lol

[novel gorge]

A meme was posted so vulldozer pinged moderators

Anyway

[wispy relic]

I recommend setting the grid to something like 64 or 32 mp for blocking out rooms and features

[safe steppe]

@trail steeple anyway here's how to make a tele in UDMF

1. Give action 70 to the teleport entrance.
2. give the entrance linedefs "Target teleporter dest. tag" any number
3. Make the enterance activate on walk over and be repeatable
4. Create a teleport destination thing and give it a the same tag in step 2

[novel gorge]

@trail steeple

[wispy relic]

then going down to like 16 or 8 mp as needed for detailing

using the 1 mp grid shouldn't be necessary most of the time, and certainly not for drawing rooms and stuff

[safe steppe]

Higher grid size will make your maps look cleaner 16 or 8 are very good as Mulder said

[trail steeple]

got it

[trail steeple]

what should i do about it now ?

[novel gorge]

Should be smaller and not include the metal border

[trail steeple]

okay

[safe steppe]

do you have grid snapping on? its a bit unnoticeable but some of these lines aren't straight lines

[wispy relic]

echoing this, you should have grid-snapping on

idek where the setting for it is tho 😓

[haughty flower]

do any of you know a good doom mod maker for free

[wispy relic]

ultimate doom builder for map making
SLADE for modifying weapons and enemies and stuff

[safe steppe]

ultimate doom builder and slade 3 are the best options

there aren't really any doom modding software that costs any money

[novel gorge]

A little wider, be precise, but you have the right idea

[trail steeple]

now it's slightly wider

[novel gorge]

Yeah that’s about right
Good job

[trail steeple]

thanks for the help

and the teleporter works as it was supposed to

[novel gorge]

Of course

[haughty flower]

is there any non winzip doom mod ing apps

[safe steppe]

you mean one's that aren't archived?

[trail steeple]

what's difficult about just unpacking the archive ?

i don't see any problems with that

[novel gorge]

Looks like he got a computer for the first time yesterday

So if you want to help him out this is a real task

I don’t have time to do it right now unfortunately

[trail steeple]

unpacking .rar and .7z files is quite simple

[haughty flower]

oh i dont have winzip thats why

[safe steppe]

The 32bit version of SLADE 3 is an .exe

[novel gorge]

I just use an online converter to turn it into a zip file

[trail steeple]

just download winRAR

[haughty flower]

ok

[trail steeple]

it's free and allows you to open such files

[safe steppe]

winrar or 7z are free

[trail steeple]

also,don't buy the winrar license,you can just keep using the app even after that whole "40-day trail" thing

[wispy relic]

what operating system are you using?

[safe steppe]

Tip: don't pay for programs that do really simple tasks, there is probably a free and better alternative somewhere

[haughty flower]

windows

[wispy relic]

because I'm fairly certain windows 7 and up automatically allow you to unzip .zip files by right-clicking and selecting "Extract All"

[safe steppe]

ultimate doom builder and slade use .7z by default thats why it doesnt work with windows 7 thingy

[wispy relic]

alright

[haughty flower]

thx any of you get to pick my first mod

[trail steeple]

if by that you mean testing i can

[haughty flower]

no the premises

[trail steeple]

i dunno do what you want to do

[wispy relic]

if you wanna go with mapping, I'd recommend trying to build a few simple maps

start with the Vanilla format and look at Doom/Doom 2 maps to see how things work and mess around a bit

[haughty flower]

ok

[wispy relic]

don't immediately try to go off the deep end and be like "hmm yes now that I've opened Doombuilder once, I will make a 32 map megawad"

you'll most likely get burnt out lol

[trail steeple]

making a hallway

[trail steeple]

forgot to mention to not automatically make wads for ultra-violence

this map is already quite big i think

[novel gorge]

It’s extremely linear
Hallway, arena, repeat

Not a great layout

[safe steppe]

don't worry though, its never too late to make your map less linear

[novel gorge]

Yeah I would spend some more time on it

Make it more varied in paths

[safe steppe]

you can either add more areas that keep branching and meeting or do it the lazy way and rearrange the map

[trail steeple]

i may have an idea: after collecting the yellow keycard a new area of that nukage room will be revealed

[safe steppe]

yeah that's a great start to something big

[trail steeple]

but i think i'll do that tomorrow since i'm sleepy

cya guys and thanks for the help

[novel gorge]

Alright good night

[safe steppe]

if you're already finished with the map I recommend leaving it as it is and keep in mind the new things you learned for the new map

for now, good night

[haughty flower]

Any amazing recommendations for hellish doom wads?

[agile shoal]

Sigil

[haughty flower]

thanx for suggestion but done already lol

[trail steeple]

nuts.wad

it's fun

[tiny lotus]

i create this map for the EOA mod, i hope you like it

if i can use a more new version of UDB i'm gonna create more levels

[quasi pike]

What do you all think the best remake of E1M1 is?

[white saddle]

how i put this bad boi in a invisible cage and also you cant shoot him?

[wispy relic]

do you mean you want something like plutonia map 31, where two arch viles are hidden from sight and attack the player?

Or do you want the arch vile hidden somewhere out-of-bounds so he teleports in to that spot later?

[white saddle]

I want him to be there but you can’t shoot him

And he can’t attack you either

So basically just stuck in a invisible box

[wispy relic]

Ah, I think I got what you're saying

like this, right?

@white saddle so what you gotta do is draw a sector that surrounds the arch vile, like this

What you then do is raise that sector's floor to just below the ceiling, even if it's just 1 unit

lastly, you leave the missing textures as-is. since the sector's floor is above the player's viewpoint, the game doesn't flood-fill the space with that flat
and since none of the linedefs touch void-space/are one-sided, the game doesn't make the Hall of Mirrors effect either

voila, you now have a wall that blocks line of sight and projectiles

(changed the ceiling texture for that sector so you can actually see where it is)

This trick is used in a few places throughout Plutonia, most notably in map 31 with the caged Cyberdemons

unlike the see-through door textures in TNT, this graphical glitch isn't prone to breaking in any real way

[wispy relic]

again though, I have to stress that the floor must not be touching the ceiling, otherwise you get a hall of mirrors effect (or this black box in Crispy Doom)

hope that lays it out nicely o7

[white saddle]

Ok thanks

[haughty flower]

yoo nice map

[haughty flower]

done the nuts series too lol but thanx

guys is there a heavily overpowered monsters only mod with not just reskins but custom abilities too?

[tiny lotus]

thanks c:

[crisp dragon]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/embers-of-armageddon/addons/de-enemies-for-eoa

doesn't require the EOA mod actually, you can run it vanilla in gzdoom pretty sure or with another mod

[haughty flower]

thanx

[crisp dragon]

but be warned, enemies are beefy as fuck and are overpowered as fuck too

[haughty flower]

thats what i wanted lol

[crisp dragon]

i cannot understate how overpowered they are

[sacred pine]

So, perfect for Russian Overkill

[idle cape]

What do yall think? It’s not done yet

[safe steppe]

Looks great so far

[idle cape]

Working on a 22 map pack this is map 6

[safe steppe]

You might want to use ultimate doom builder it will save you a lot of hassle

[safe steppe]

Impressive work

[idle cape]

Oo what’s the difference?

[safe steppe]

You get a bucnh of new tools, like a circle and a curve and a rectangle tool

And it supports newer map formats if you like that kind of stuff

[idle cape]

So like it’s used for stuff like slopes and floating platforms?

[safe steppe]

Yeah you can do that but it has tools that are useful for normal doom maps too

[idle cape]

Alright cheers

[safe steppe]

Think of ultimate doom builder as doom builder 3 pretty much

[trail steeple]

the second pic....

2 totally different textures connected to each other with nothing between them

john romero hated that

[idle cape]

Where exactly?

[idle cape]

Aight thanks for the feedback

[trail steeple]

no problem

[idle cape]

Probaly should give you a better look of the building later cuase that image isn’t to good

[trail steeple]

aside of the things i pointed out your wad looks very promising

[idle cape]

Thanks

[haughty flower]

is a doom 1 or 2 wad?

[tiny lotus]

2

[haughty flower]

ok

[tiny lotus]

i hope you like it

[haughty flower]

heeeyy nice wad, i play the first level and is amazing, but i don´t find similar things with DOOM ETERNAL, but is an amazing WAD ;))

eres español?

[tiny lotus]

claro compa, argentina

[haughty flower]

XD

[tiny lotus]

por cierto, no viste las armas y esas cosas? talvez el wad no esta funcionando como yo pensaba

[haughty flower]

armas?

a ver, yo lo inicie con zdoom

[tiny lotus]

tenia la escopeta con el Meat Hook, y la escopeta de combate

[tiny lotus]

entonces no va a funcionar, necesitas LZDoom o GZDoom

[haughty flower]

oh, tengo un gzdoom pero es de brutal doom

o algo parecido, nose

[tiny lotus]

GZDoom es para los mods, al igual que LZDoom

yo uso el LZDoom oporque para el GZDoom necesitas OpenGL3.3 y yo tengo una Pentium(R) 2010 xd

[haughty flower]

donde descargo el LZDOOM? en el mismo sitio que zdoom?

[tiny lotus]

sip

y si eso no funciona prueba a cargar el WAD con el mod de EOA

[haughty flower]

estoy instalandolo

[tiny lotus]

piola 👍

[haughty flower]

ya tengo el lzdoom, ahora meto ls wads de doom 1 y 2 y lo iniciotu wad como siempre?

[tiny lotus]

no, carga el wad del mapa que hice

[haughty flower]

sisi, lo arrastro al ejecutable y inicio el doom 2 no?

[tiny lotus]

si, creo

[white saddle]

Anyone know how to change music ?

[haughty flower]

i think with slade

[white saddle]

ah

[safe steppe]

download slade, open your map in slade, add a music midi file rename it to one of the existing maps midis

[haughty flower]

but i don´t know

[haughty flower]

te añado de amigos y seguimos hablando alli ok? es que me voy un momento

[white saddle]

yeah I probably just try to make my maps for the regular doom 2 soundtrack

[tiny lotus]

ok

[white saddle]

Fit

[safe steppe]

doom 2 list: https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_II_music

[white saddle]

God monster condo is the most horrific doom 2 map

Lmao

[safe steppe]

honestly the original maps for doom and doom 2 are ehhh

there are gems there but some maps like the chasm

guh just thinking about the chasm hurts

[white saddle]

My least favorite in commercial doom

is the chasm

But yeah I enjoyed doom 2 maps 1-10 and some 20-30 maps

[tiny lotus]

i want to change the name of my level, ¿how can i see the map info in slade?

please help

[tiny lotus]

why this happens?

[haughty flower]

the text may be in a different palette than the normal doom one

[tiny lotus]

this is for doom 2

[trail steeple]

with slade with the help of MAPINFO file

you can look up how to make/edit that file

[agile shoal]

Dont use mapinfo

It would only work on gzdoom and there is a better way (even works on vanilla)

Put your midi inside the wad (using slade) and rename the midi to: d_runnin

Now Map01 of your wad will play your midi

[agile shoal]

To find the names for each level,see the link above

[tender seal]

Just FYI Umapinfo is now supported by Eternity, PRBoom+, DSDA-Doom, GZDoom, K8Vavoom, Odemax and Woof. So if the wad targets anything higher than Limit-Removing, Mapinfo is a valid approach these days

But you're not wrong that simply renaming the Midi files is the easiest approach

[safe steppe]

if you have a limit-removing/vanillla map you still gotta make sure it works on Crispy/Chocolate and Vanilla doom

but other than that mapinfo works I guess

[agile shoal]

Yeah Im using UMAPINFO for a wad Im doing. But people should know that renaming the midis works

[gaunt anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-12466422

[white saddle]

how 2 fix this

it wont let me shift r or drag it like walls

and its 64 x 64

[wispy relic]

in the vanilla Doom map format, flats are drawn on a 64x64 grid from the 0,0 coordinate

You cannot offset the texture of flats (in the vanilla format)

[white saddle]

oh

[wispy relic]

You have two options:

1. Rearrange your level a bit so the teleporter lines up nicely with the 64 x 64 grid
2. Make a new flat that has the texture off set a bit so it lines up where you want it to

[white saddle]

okay thanks for the help

[wispy relic]

for example, you can make a teleporter flat that looks like the one on the left, so that way it tiles properly in cases like on the right

[white saddle]

i feel like this is ugly

and then the other side is just there

[haughty flower]

add a bit of props maybe, that might do the starting and for the other side you can try for traps.

[wispy relic]

one trick you can use is to make a border sector along the wall that has a lower sky ceiling, like this in map 12 of Doom 2

This way the wall that's the boundary of your map isn't as tall as everything else

for another example, I'm making a really tall tower in one of my maps, and I don't want the ASHWALL texture on the border to be the same height as the tower, since that would make the map seem like it's in a pit or something

[dull steeple]

Is Brutal Wolfenstein broken for anyone else?

[white saddle]

#832190972515057684

[chilly copper]

can you mod doom 2 from gamepass?

[haughty flower]

It's a doom mod tho....

[safe steppe]

If the doom/doom2 iwad file is installed on your computer somewhere then yes, just take it and put in gzdoom folder

[trail steeple]

this looks alright to me

[haughty flower]

building

[agile shoal]

I just made the coolest death exit ever.

You press a button
A voodoo dool teleports unto a barrel
It explodes killing you and the doll
Now the doll's height is reduced (It becomes 0 iirc)
The doll is transported by a scroller bellow a small breach in the floor
The doll passes a linedef that end the level

I'll post my wad tomorrow.
Need to get some sleep 😴

[rocky laurel]

Looking for modding assistance.

[wispy relic]

whatcha doin?

[crisp dragon]

what're you gonna make?

[rocky laurel]

I'm working on an ongoing Hexen mod, and having problems.

[wispy relic]

ah sorry mate, if you're working in vanilla Hexen, I'm not good with that

[rocky laurel]

This is a large scale, Wrath of Cronos

No, its ZDoom.

In fact a Doom 2 Compatibility mode is being implemented and is partially working.

[rocky laurel]

Can you do Decorate, ACS or UDMF Mapping?

[wispy relic]

I'm familiar with each, but I'm not an expert in any of them

so if you're doing something really advanced with them, my help may not be much good

[rocky laurel]

Can you create maps at all?

All I am asking is for you to be willing to do something, Anything, to help.

[sacred pine]

I'm soon gonna try and develop my first WAD, I had an idea for making an Heretic chapter but I'm not completely sure if it'll be harder. Should I try Heretic or Doom at first?

[haughty flower]

Doom

[sacred pine]

Alright, thanks.

Oh, it'll have to wait, Windows Update is doing it's work.

Huh... Ultimate Doom Builder is having trouble with my PC because, well, Intel HD 3000. But another good option seems to be a bug fixed GZDoom Builder, so I'll try that, I guess.

[agile shoal]

What people see:

What happens:

3 Levels done
The videos above are from the 4th level which is included here, but is not finished yet

Doom 2
Boom Compatible
Needs a UMAPINFO compatible source port (dsda-doom, prboom, woof, gzdoom)

It uses bossactions, so umapinfo is required to beat some levels

[crisp dragon]

oh, like going down kinda lol

[agile shoal]

Just this one level

But thats the wad I get the most inspiration from

[white saddle]

Kinda reminds me of going down :archvile:

[wispy relic]

Mapping and simple DECORATE actors are probably what I'm best at

but I don't really have the time to join a project rn; I have my own I'm working on after all

[royal wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmqBKjurFO0

[white saddle]

map 05 is done after 5 attempts of trying for 100% kills secrets and items very hard map compared to map 1, 2, 3 and 4

play on uv if good at video gaming

play oin hmp if u video game and easy for gamer

[crisp dragon]

hm

[crisp dragon]

first level already hard as shit

6 archviles?

also, what's with that secret that needs a red key

i get that wallhumping is a tradition for secrets but at least make it slightly distinguishable

[fallen panther]

If wall humping is required to find a secret its badly designed in my book

[crisp dragon]

tbh I'd probably agree

it needs some sort of distinguishable trait

like for example if there is green slime covering the bottom of one wall, make one wall not have it and have that be a secret

it's distinguishable once you know how to find it but it's still very well hidden

also, that other secret with the soulsphere and the green armor and shit seems impossible to get without idclip

I've used IDDT to try and search for secret teleporters, nothing at all came up.

also, why are these two sides different textures

alright what the hell, tiny ass room in the second level with barely any room to move with an imp and a revenant

Anyone doing a blind run is gonna have a b*tch of a time

[crisp dragon]

also, what's with that bullet pack near the chaingunner and pain elemental if you can't even pick it up

hmph, I think I figured out the secret for that box

you're supposed to archvile jump to that aren't you...

that has to be the worst secret in my time of playing doom

what the fuck are these annoying ass archviles

you've put them in the worst places possible

in maps like these, the super shotgun has no use

there is no time to reload

you have to spray everything down with plasma

im noticing a very common pattern with these levels

they all have explosive starts

:/

this door right here is a goddamn SECRET?

it wasn't until I checked the automap and saw something strange when I clicked on that wall

what the fuck, it literally has no indistinguishable traits from any other walls

[trail steeple]

i'm already afraid to try that wad myself

[crisp dragon]

what the fuck are these secrets

I'm sorry to say that these maps might be the worst that I've played, and some of the hardest

[wispy relic]

hey, chill out a bit

everyone's first foray into mapping's a bit rough

[crisp dragon]

what is that?

at least he's by himself...

[trail steeple]

arch-vile in a tight corridor

that doesn't look good

[crisp dragon]

it's a pillar, and at least he's by himself lol

all the other maps have the archvile tucked behind fucking giant meat shields

I'm talking bunches of revenants or mancubi, or a shit ton of barons

[crisp dragon]

I can understand that, but map creators need to understand that what they consider the map to be easy may not be easy to others, especially when they know exactly what's coming and why they placed that there.

There's nothing wrong with figuring out the optimal strategies to beat these fights as efficiently as possible, but when they're structured like this it doesn't even want to make me try.

[trail steeple]

the author forgot to have these door textures unpegged

[wispy relic]

alright, so just say as much then

[trail steeple]

this doesn't look good,the switch is almost at the ceiling,lowering this could make this look better

[wispy relic]

"your maps are a bit rough, and right now I'm having a hard time enjoying them. the difficulty's very high, the secrets feel arbitrary, etc etc; I would try working on these aspects and maybe do so and so etc instead"
vs.
"these are the worst maps I've played"

[trail steeple]

this door honestly doesn't look good,there is a reason these textures are mainly used on the sides of the doors rather than as the door

[wispy relic]

like shit, I shudder to imagine playing the maps I made ten years ago when I was first getting started lol, let alone hearing other peoples thoughts on them
and this kind of commentary, even if it's your honest opinion/reaction in the moment, is gonna be v discouraging to newbies

anyways enough soapboxing from me

[trail steeple]

those items are unobtainable + the box textures don't match and are misaligned

a use of a pillar/support beam/a texture between these 2 textures could make this look better

[crisp dragon]

very sure you're supposed to use an archvile jump to obtain them, but at that point you've probably already killed the archvile.

;-;

[trail steeple]

the only archvile on the map is only in that cage in the red key door

[fallen panther]

Another bad type of secret design imo

[trail steeple]

i hate secrets that you can lock out yourself from

[fallen panther]

It works in build engine games for example because you can alter the environment

For example the secret that needs a trash can to reach in the first shadow warrior level

[crisp dragon]

I try not to be this harsh, I want to give out good reviews... but the first impressions... they are not good at all.

[fallen panther]

But in doom secrets like that are just annoying

[crisp dragon]

oh then you're not playing on ultra-violence?

ultra violence has like 6 archies lol

[trail steeple]

things to note about level 1:
-starting with an enemy facing you up-front,especailly a shotgunner is not a good idea
-littering the first room with strong enemies (mancubi,revenants,a baron of hell,chaingunners) while the player starts with just a pistol and a shotgun is a very bad idea,the player barely has any real chance of surviving that
-having the map with barely any height changes makes the map boring

[crisp dragon]

5 archies in total actually on ultra-violence

[trail steeple]

map 2 and we are already to a bad start

[crisp dragon]

opening maps like this are cruel, and are the first experience to a wad

[fallen panther]

5 on level 1?

[crisp dragon]

yep

opening maps should only give a taste, this is like a middle or last level type difficulty

[trail steeple]

misaligned door texture + it doesn't even look like it needs a blue key

[crisp dragon]

agreed

this could easily fit into Hell Revealed

it has the same cruelness

and I usually pistol start the levels too, so it's even worse for me

[fallen panther]

That's just overkill you need big weapons to even safely deal with one arch vile so putting them in your first level is really really a bad idea

[trail steeple]

this is right after going out of the spawn door,2 fucking chaingunners at the start that will mow y our hp down if you don't notice them fast enough

[trail steeple]

agreed

[crisp dragon]

you only get an ssg, a plasma rifle, and a rocket launcher with like 14 rockets

you don't even have time to reload, that's how many strong enemies there are

so the SSG is absolutely redundant

[trail steeple]

this would benefit from making a texture in between those 2 because this looks very ugly

[crisp dragon]

you have to mow everything down with plasma

everything has a fast running speed or high attack damage, so it's super risky to use the rocket launcher

don't forget the tight spaces

[trail steeple]

at least those cahingunners don't have a secret archie behind them thank god

[crisp dragon]

yeah...

it gets worse trust me

[trail steeple]

misaligned textures

[crisp dragon]

on the fourth level, in the beginning you are stuck with a berserk pack, a mancubus, a shotgunner, a chaingunner, and an archvile with basically next to none shotgun ammo.

[trail steeple]

revenant in a tight corridor is a terrible choice for an enemy

[trail steeple]

[crisp dragon]

at least you get a megaarmor but it barely helps.

[trail steeple]

bad enemy choice for a tight space

[crisp dragon]

not even the super shotgun, just a REGULAR shotgun

[trail steeple]

w h a t .

you gotta be kidding me

a hell knight in a tight corridor with next to none room to dodge

[crisp dragon]

yep, and on ultra-violence, guess what Fordon?

there's an archvile in front of him.

[trail steeple]

that's not even a working switch and it's ugly

misaligned and out of place

[crisp dragon]

it's a hitscan switch iirc but it does absolutely nothing as far as I know.

[trail steeple]

doesn't even work

[fallen panther]

Yeah making a map hard for the sake of being hard isn't fun in my experience

But this isn't hard it's just cruel

[trail steeple]

this room is very ugly

[trail steeple]

agreed

[crisp dragon]

yeah... and guess what Fordon?

[trail steeple]

who in the world puts 2 BARONS OF HELL in a very tight space ?

[crisp dragon]

There's an archvile tucked behind 3 barons in Ultra-Violence!

[trail steeple]

[fallen panther]

This maps enemy placement needs to be overhauled

[crisp dragon]

I think I'm going legitimately insane!

[trail steeple]

definitely

i'll have to look at this map in UDB to see any other issues