classic-doom-maps-mods

[hexed jungle]

Wait, you weren't getting the plasma before you teleported to the double hell knight room?

[bitter flame]

No assuming you are refering to the room with 2 hell knights, a bunch of imps, and the button to open the teleporter to the maze. I ran out of SS ammo so I had to punch the last hell knight to death while hiding in the corrner with 5% hp lol

[hexed jungle]

Weird, when you teleport to that small island before the hell knight room you teleport right onto the plasma gun

I always pick it up when I tele, I wonder why it isn't working for you

[bitter flame]

I did not teleport to the small island, I jumped to it and went into the teleporter (maybe I didn't see it)

[hexed jungle]

You jumped to it? Lol

[bitter flame]

Yep

[hexed jungle]

Like actual jump or you managed to do a run jump

I'm curious as to how you jumped to that island

[bitter flame]

Run jump

[hexed jungle]

I gotta drive home but I'll check this when I get there

[bitter flame]

I will check to see if I just missed the plasma rifle

[hexed jungle]

You should get access to the third teleport that sends you to the island once you press the switch in the small building with the lost souls and guts on the floor

If you can, send a vid or something of how you did the run jump, I gotta fix that

[bitter flame]

For some reason my screen record hates gzdoom. I will send a screenshot of the minimap

The screenshot did not take but the jump was from the bridge. The plasma is there but I did not see it on the pedestol lol

[hexed jungle]

Yea, you mean the main walkway to the temple right?

I tried a lot but couldn't get over there. I guess I should clarify, are you running and then pressing an actual jump button or are you just running off the bridge and landing?

Because if so I should have mentioned I designed the map for completely vanilla gameplay

I should probably raise the island either way, but I'm just curious to know

Also, did you manage to find either of the two secrets? I suspected that players would probably have it pretty rough if they didn't find them

[bitter flame]

Running and pressing the jump button

[bitter flame]

I think I found 1 but I forget which one it was

[hexed jungle]

Okay that makes sense. Yea I should have mentioned I made this with vanilla in mind my bad lol. I raised the island anyways so even with jump enabled you should only be able to get there the intended way

[bitter flame]

Nice

[hexed jungle]

Also if you found the first secret then the other one should unlock inside the maze. It's the little box with the baron and extra ammo in it

How did you fare with the archvile room?

[bitter flame]

Saw it

[bitter flame]

Do you mean the archivile in the cage or the archviles after the maze opened?

[hexed jungle]

In the cage

[bitter flame]

He never hit me lol

[hexed jungle]

Just like never attacked?

[bitter flame]

Like I doged the attacks

[hexed jungle]

Ah okay. I figured being locked in there with the chaingunners and archie would be pretty nasty

[bitter flame]

The chainguns were a nightmare lol

Too many lol

[hexed jungle]

That's part of why I made the hole on the stairs for cover, but I think players might panic too much to use it

Also because it looked cool lol

[bitter flame]

I ended up hiding in the corrner of the room and jumping to shoot the chaingunners lol

[hexed jungle]

Ah I see. Also interesting thing about the maze, it's kind of a choose your own suffering thing, or at least that's part of the idea. The more the player explores and kills stuff in it, the less painful it will be when the maze breaks up and everything else spawns in.

[bitter flame]

Makes sense

[hexed jungle]

I'm guessing you didn't kill the archie before the maze fell apart

[bitter flame]

Nope

[hexed jungle]

Haha makes sense. I kinda wish I could have seen the reaction

[bitter flame]

lol I died to the hoard

[hexed jungle]

Some of the suggestions you made I've taken into consideration. I need more play testing too to see how a range of skill levels handle it. UV is supposed to be pretty nasty with the traps, low health and ammo until the later sections. That's actually why there aren't any health or armor pickups until you get to the first door. I might throw in a couple stimpacks in the main room and I'll see about adding more ammo in non secret areas. I'll probably keep the chaingunners in archie room for UV and reduce/change hitscanners for HMP and lower

Also what did you think of the rooms themselves?

[bitter flame]

Design wise they looked very good. Only issue was the one blood waterfall in the first room missing the teleporter

[hexed jungle]

Yea I added that to the other section so it should be good now. I'm not sure how I forgot to put that in lol

[bitter flame]

lol

[hexed jungle]

I'll post an updated version soon, might be later tonight

[bitter flame]

Nice

[hexed jungle]

Yea so I don't have time tonight but I'll post the updated one tomorrow night

[bitter flame]

Okay

[cloud tangle]

oh oscult sorry for not being able to play your map, im very busy this weekend

[hexed jungle]

No worries man, I gotta post an updated one anyways. I couldn't even get to making it tonight like I wanted

[cloud tangle]

ill just get a backlog of these and play em'

[royal wave]

https://vxtwitter.com/kbeevans/status/1713262553420431414?s=20

[leaden juniper]

does doomsday support pbr materials?

[bitter flame]

Does anyone know how to make teleporters work in slade?

[hexed jungle]

This was cool, found all the secrets except for the green armor one lol. Are you doing follow up maps for this?

[hexed jungle]

If you can assign action specials in slade then there should be a teleport action special you can assign to the linedef and set it to when the player crosses the linedef.

[bitter flame]

Hmm. Thanks

[hexed jungle]

Also, if there is a teleport destination object or similar then place that down where you want something to tele and then assign a tag to it. Then on the activating linedef you should be able to select what tag the teleport sends something to.

@bitter flame @cloud tangle Okay so here is the updated map. Same as before, designed for vanilla so using the jump button could potentially sequence break but mouselook shouldn't be any problem. I changed how combat plays out in the beginning room, changed monster balance in most areas, and added more ammo and health where needed. I was able kill everything on UV and get to the next area without the secrets. Lemme know what ya think

[bitter flame]

Will check soon

[cloud tangle]

mmmaybe

i may make a megawad if i feel like it

[cloud tangle]

ohhh curse my brain im already thinking of ideas
i will not be able to do schoolwork for the next while until i do this 😭
i.e. hellforge, a map that takes you through a gargantuan foundry that processes souls

[bitter flame]

I smell a use for the beta lost souls lol...

[cloud tangle]

is there EVER a use for beta lost souls

[hexed jungle]

Doom Zero used them pretty well

[cloud tangle]

i needa try doom zero, then

ive only played memento mori and doom 1/2 for map design ideas

or just for playing doom

mainly the latter
(yes i did look up the difference between former and latter)

[hexed jungle]

You might like Sigil

[cloud tangle]

i should try sigil, it IS romero, after all

[hexed jungle]

I love his old school mapping style, some of my map has taken inspiration from his visuals

[cloud tangle]

i just kinda think of ideas and then put them down

like falling streams of lava as a rooms's centerpiece

i just thought of that

[hexed jungle]

I posted a walkthrough of my first completed area in videos if you wanna see what it looks like btw

[cloud tangle]

yeah id love to, im not able to get to my school computer rn

oh you said in videos i was deadass waiting for you to posted it

[hexed jungle]

Lol

[cloud tangle]

i neednt watch the whole video to see you are clearly the better mapper

i pretty much only stay in my comfort zone; tekbases

to be fair, ive only been mapping on and off for a few months and without tutorials

and on a school computer

[hexed jungle]

I always try to push myself when it comes to map making, but to be fair I've been making maps across multiple games for years and some of that translates here

[cloud tangle]

it shows

my biggest weakness is floor/ceiling textures

[hexed jungle]

The best way to push your comfort zone is to find small things you find cool in other maps that you don't normally do and replicate them, maybe with your own twist. Even if you don't actually put it out it's good to try. I also open up maps I like in UDB and see how they did things

[cloud tangle]

did you ever open up my dead simple map?

im extremely proud of that map

[hexed jungle]

I did on the first version to figure out why the cyber wasn't spawning, I thought it was cool that you used conveyor belts to spawn them in

[cloud tangle]

i saw that in ancient aliens

waiting is boring

anyway imma go to bed with doom on the brain

[hexed jungle]

Have a good night

[cloud tangle]

thanks, you too (or whatever time zone you're in)

[bitter flame]

Where can one find this doom zero lol

Also what is Sigil?

[hexed jungle]

Sigil is a wad made by John Romero for doom 1 25th anniversary

You can find Doom Zero and Sigil on Doomworld

[bitter flame]

I will find them. Thanks

[bitter flame]

Just found sigil. It says in the readme that it is for doom 1 and not doom 2. When I loaded it up in doom 2 it was fine. Will the rest of the game be fine?

[leaden juniper]

advised you boot it with doom 1

otherwise devtextures will show up

as assets are missing

[bitter flame]

Hmm. I might just play it with doom 2 and see how it goes because I do not have doom 1 on pc lol

Wait is that why some other mods I have sometimes have random black textures in certain spots?

[leaden juniper]

Mods such as?

[bitter flame]

I have seen it occasionly in some and assume it to be a error when mapping. Tnt Revilution did have it alot more in certain staircases.

[leaden juniper]

idk BUT

you can get doom plus
it's doom in doom 2 + it has sigil

[cloud tangle]

imma make hellforge now

[cloud tangle]

actually no im playing sigil

[hexed jungle]

How you liking Sigil?

[cloud tangle]

its great

[cloud tangle]

sigil is a masterclass in enemy placement and architecture

except for the cyberdemon in e5m2 fuck that wtf

[brave hemlock]

i love cyberdemons!

[bitter flame]

Sorry I got a bit distracted working on my mod lol. I am trying this now

[bitter flame]

For some reason the teleporter would not open after killing the archvile so I had to do some parcore to get to the island. New enemy layout was alot better. More medkits was alot better. I would say maze needs some medkits. There are way to many enemys in the spawn when you come back for the amount of health you have at the time. Also what is supposed to be past the blue door? It was just a wierd empty castle thingy.

[hexed jungle]

You shot the switch behind him?

[bitter flame]

Yep

[hexed jungle]

And you pressed the switch in the guts room?

[bitter flame]

Yep and that opened the maze teleporter but I was not able to get into the guts room without the parkor to the island

[hexed jungle]

That is bizarre

Idk what could even cause that, it works every time for me

Also the castle area is the next area I'm working on

Also the first time you played the map did the switch work?

Actually I see the switch isn't flagged a repeatable action, so the hitscan might not have registered for some reason and so you couldn't shoot the switch again.

Hopefully changing that will fix it

[cloud tangle]

time to play map

[hexed jungle]

Map time

[hexed jungle]

You mean my map or you have a map for us?

[cloud tangle]

yours

[hexed jungle]

Ah, nice. Lemme know how it goes. Friendly reminder that it's made for vanilla gameplay, idk if you use jumping usually or not

And the switch in archie room might bug out so you may have to noclip to the island building if so

[cloud tangle]

i dont im not weird

[hexed jungle]

lol

[cloud tangle]

also does mouselook ever break maps?

[hexed jungle]

It might make some traps easier in older wads and sometimes hitscan switches might be made with no mouselook in mind

[cloud tangle]

ah yeah that makes sense

[hexed jungle]

I don't really have any of those issues so far in my map

[cloud tangle]

i never use mouselook, and i prove nothing by doing it

[hexed jungle]

Once you make it to the blue door that should be it for the map, everything past that door is work in progress

[tranquil spruce]

How do i use the linedef type 53? The sector won't move up and down as advertised.

[hexed jungle]

Uhh lemme look at it real quick

Apparently action special 53 doesn't exist but 54 does. Are you using Ultimate Doom Builder?

[tranquil spruce]

I'm using Doom Builder X.

[hexed jungle]

Oh, idk then

[tranquil spruce]

Linedef 53 for me is move up and down

"W1 Floor Start Moving Up and Down"

[hexed jungle]

How do you have the linedef set up? Is the player supposed to just press the linedef, are the supposed to press a switch, etc?

[tranquil spruce]

It's a walkover.

[hexed jungle]

Is there a sector tag associated with the action special?

[tranquil spruce]

holy crap

now there is let me test it

Ok, now it makes a switch sound when i go over it but the floor does not begin to move it seems

The switch sound plays every few seconds.

[hexed jungle]

Do you have the sector actually assigned the tag and then on the linedef there is the box for sector that should be affected?

[whole blade]

not usually

[sterile schooner]

I would say yes but technically speaking mouselook has been there ever since the first Doom game released

unless you mean vertical mouselook which definitely makes some obstacles easier

[whole blade]

the only thing mouselook can 'break' is being to activate shoot switches in unintended ways

oh, and shooting an IOS

[tranquil spruce]

The linedef screen has an ID tag but no option for an "Affected Sector", so to speak. But the linedefs all have the tag of the sector.

[whole blade]

show us the edit dialogue box

if you've linked a line action to a sector there will be an event line linking them when you highlight one

[tranquil spruce]

Picture 1: The dialougue for the linedefs.
Picture 2: the dialogue for the sector.

[hexed jungle]

This is weird, there is no box to connect them

[tranquil spruce]

???

[whole blade]

pretty sure that action makes it move between the lowest and highest surroundng sectors

so make sure you have sectors of different heights touching the sector you want to move

almost all vanilla sector actions require an adjacent sector to set the move height

[tranquil spruce]

Thank you, i will try that.

[whole blade]

there's a section in doom 2 map ..... 13? factory i think? where there's a whole room of floors going up and down all the time

that's the kind of thing this action does

and then the caco demon room with the blue key i think uses the same one

vanilla actions are weird

[tranquil spruce]

I have it working, but just curious, is that the same line action or a different one?

[whole blade]

pretty sure it's the same one

i've never cracked open the map to have a look so i can't confirm 100%

and i mostly map for gzdoom/udmf

[hexed jungle]

It's 87 WR Floor start moving up and down assigned to a linedef in the room

On UDB anyways

[whole blade]

yeah so same action just the repeating version

[bitter flame]

It did

@hexed jungle Once I finish up the forth map of my wad can you test it?

[cloud tangle]

im in a deathmatch mood

[hexed jungle]

Sure

[cloud tangle]

also oscult your map looks so good

also also that first archvile did not pose a threat at all, a baron would be more scary than it

[hexed jungle]

You know I thought about that, but I figured people would panic and get zapped/gunned down first time so it would be cruel enough lol

[cloud tangle]

i died to lava more than the archie

[hexed jungle]

Did you use the pit for cover or the sides of the platform?

[cloud tangle]

no i left the room

[hexed jungle]

Did the door not lock behind you for 30 seconds

[cloud tangle]

i looked around in the room before walking onto the pedastal

[hexed jungle]

I might have to change up the linedef then. The idea is to lock them in there so they can't run lol

But the linedef that triggers the door and the one that lowers the walls are a little before the switch

Since the switch lowers the archie wall

[cloud tangle]

yeah

[bitter flame]

I died to Barrons more than either archvile. Although I did die 3 times to the maze archivile until I killed him before opening up the maze

[bitter flame]

Does anyone know how to set a skybox in slade?

[cloud tangle]

nope

lmao

[bitter flame]

lol

[whole blade]

depends on the format

vanilla, boom, gzdoom etc

and what you mean by sky box

a full cube map? or classic doom style stretched texture

[bitter flame]

I ment like a sky but the map plans changed now so it is no longer a issue

[hexed jungle]

Sure, although I may not be able to try it tonight

Depends on if I get finished with what I'm doing

[bitter flame]

Okay

[cloud tangle]

i am glad thid channel has increased in usage after i joined

[bitter flame]

I somehow preformed a ritual and got it open in doom builder. Once I figure out how to I will give the maps proper doors and keycards

[bitter flame]

Don't test that. I am setting up a version with doors now

[hexed jungle]

You guys seen the conversion mod Siren?

[bitter flame]

I have not

[haughty flower]

Siren is amazing, one of the cooler horror themed total conversion mods

[trail lion]

https://youtu.be/pKBvpO1bpmA?si=VX1BwR_lTfzeXK3R

[cloud tangle]

working on map02

each map takes inspiration from its doom 2 counterpart

i hope you like sewer levels

[bitter flame]

Here is the new version with doors

levels 1-4

[hexed jungle]

There's still no doors or keycards anywhere

Is the right pk3 in this?

[bitter flame]

Wait which level?

There are doors for me off that pk3

Did you maybe run the wrong file or something?

It is for Gzdoom

[hexed jungle]

All of them

[bitter flame]

Wierd

Its fine for me

[hexed jungle]

In fact it seems like nothing really changed except for there are more levels

[bitter flame]

They have doors and keycards now lol

Idk what happened to your pk3

Its the same one but try this:

[hexed jungle]

This one has doors

[bitter flame]

There we go

I think what happened was you downloaded the one I deleted earlier before I added them

[hexed jungle]

Idk, it was the zip a few messages above

[bitter flame]

Wierd

[hexed jungle]

The file size in the zip was slightly smaller than the one you just sent

[bitter flame]

Idk

The pk3 in the zip folder had doors for me

Did you remove the pk3 from the zip before running it?

Either way how is the new levels design?

Also I just fixed the pumpgun sounds so that has been delt with

[hexed jungle]

Yea I did

[hexed jungle]

You mean the shotgun you get in level 4?

[bitter flame]

Yep

[hexed jungle]

Okay I was wondering why it didn't have sounds lol

[bitter flame]

Fixed that and I added some more ammo

[hexed jungle]

So the doors and keycards make this a lot better, but maps still might need some refinement. Rooms on different heights would make it feel better, and more layout design for each level so they feel like places, as right now the layouts feel kinda like randomly placed rooms connected by hallways. Every level had some doors that had either misaligned textures or textures that were too small for the door so they would tile. I would probably reduce the amount of pain elementals in map 3 as they flooded the room quick from far away.
I liked all the new enemies and weapons, and each level had a consistent theme to them which is good, I think if you address mainly the level design aspects it will play pretty well.

[bitter flame]

Thanks. Which maps in specific do you think needs more layout to feel like a place and not a bunch of random rooms? The door textures is not really fixable because they were effecting Doors that were 96 or other non standard sizes which Doom 2 does not textures for. Also how terrible were the marauders? Another person I had testing really had issues with him releasing the marauders and then not being able to deal with them. For level 3 I will likely remove or move alot of the pain elementals.

Also how were the map 3 cacodemons and the secrets on all the maps

[hexed jungle]

All the levels kinda felt that way, a more succinct way of describing it is that they play like Wolfenstein 3D levels instead of Doom levels. Some of the door textures I think fit but just aren't aligned like the mancubus room on map 1 right next to where you spawn. I wonder if you could find custom textures that would fit the bigger doors you want. I didn't really have a huge issue with marauders as I just lured them to bigger rooms and killed them. I actually didn't find most of the secrets as I was focused on playing the maps first. Map 3 cacos were fine, I just used the bfg on them

[bitter flame]

I tried finding some custom textures for the doors but they did not really fit in. Not sure on the mancubus room, will check that once I fix some of the other maps. I doubt I will change map 1 that much as it is supposed to be kinda small. I will definintly find a way to expand the other maps. Was map 4 straight foward or did you die to the hoard of sawcubi? I have added more ammo to the room but I think I might add some keycards in and expand it with some other hallways going in other directions.

[hexed jungle]

Are the sawcubi the green guys? Those were pretty easy with the new shotty, it's the smaller room with the swarm of spiders and summoner that caught me off guard.

[bitter flame]

They are the green guys with saws. To help with the summoner jump there were 3 secrets nearby with 1 being and invulrnablility lol. Should I put more medipacks in the skin room before the hallway that leads to the summoner jump?

[hexed jungle]

Would probably help yea, it's hard to predict whether players will ever find secrets if they even search for them at all

[bitter flame]

Indeed

Thanks. I will hopefuly have a new version in a few days

[hexed jungle]

No problem, looking forward to the next update

[brave hemlock]

god damn i have no ideas for wads

i shall make generic techbase yet again

[cloud tangle]

generic tekbase is a wonderful way to get ideas

i believe in generic tekbase supremacy

[haughty flower]

Hey, does anyone know a way i can get brutal doom as an iwad file? or a copy of doom 1993 with brutal doom on it? i've been pretty bored in school recently and have been filling my time by playing doom 1993 on Wad Commander. my favourite mod is brutal doom, but i cant get pk3 files to run in wad commander.

[cloud tangle]

try making maps, its fun

if youre on a school computer i can help you with getting slade set up

[haughty flower]

yeah, i have been in UDB, but im just not good enought to reach sargent mark 4 standards 😭

[cloud tangle]

wdym?

[haughty flower]

im just not very good at it. most of my maps have constant problems and tbh just arent great.

[cloud tangle]

you dont need to be great, unless its not fun

[haughty flower]

no its really fun

[haughty flower]

hm. thats actually pretty good advice.

[cloud tangle]

yep

and the biggest tip to get better at mapping i can give is play more doom

and test your maps a lot

like i consider myself competent in mapping

[haughty flower]

to expand on this, just taking a look at wad commander, I'm pretty sure you cannot play Brutal Doom on it anyway, since it uses so much stuff from the ZDoom base engine. All the scripting in it is just not possible on other source ports that don't provide this functionality, which is what I have to assume the website loads.
If your phone is decent, you could be able to run it on DeltaTouch, but that might not be an option. I'd suggest you just download a bunch of cool wads to keep yourself entertained, or do like the others suggested here and make your own maps!

Thanks guys! i didnt really know what this community was like since this was my first message, but everyone who has responded seems very nice and helpful.

[cloud tangle]

i always try to be as welcoming as possible

[haughty flower]

doom is for everyone

[cloud tangle]

^

[haughty flower]

(I'm also new here)

[cloud tangle]

I think less than 200 messages is new, so im new here too lol

i joined just to share my wads i made

and id like to think i made this channel a little more active

[haughty flower]

I've been seeing you post a lot since I joined so I guess it's true. Haven't checked out your maps yet, though. Will do next time you post an update

huh. Is there a place on this server you can post wads on?

[cloud tangle]

here

[haughty flower]

hm. cool

[cloud tangle]

oh and also i am being held hostage to play all wads posted here and give them feedback

[haughty flower]

i'll get back to you when i make one that deserves feedback 😭

[cloud tangle]

if you want help with a map send it here

[haughty flower]

i wish there were vcs in this server :/

btw, @cloud tangle in UDB how would i make wires? (Or smth similar)

[cloud tangle]

what do you mean by wires?
purely vanity or functional (line specials)

[hexed jungle]

Did you ever figure it out? I saw this earlier but I had no idea what you meant.

[cloud tangle]

he never responded

[hexed jungle]

I gotta know what the wires are, I'm dying over here

[bitter flame]

I return from the void with some improvements. How is this version? Also if you want you can skip level 1 as it is unchanged

[hexed jungle]

Nice, I'll have to check it out tomorrow tho

[bitter flame]

Okay

[haughty flower]

oh lmao. i was just trying use wires to give my map a more technical feel, but i just changed the textures and fiddeled about with it so itsg

Im going for a futuristic cyberpunk feel, and i think ive got that down pretty good, i just think that wires would help

cables n shit

[hexed jungle]

Nice, if you need playtesting at any point I'm always game

[cloud tangle]

me too

also there needs to be more channels for classic doom modding, separate the .wads from the chats

[hexed jungle]

A wad dump channel would be pretty convenient, but I think there would need to be some rule about naming so that you aren't seeing firstmap.wad or some variation a lot.

[cloud tangle]

yeah

my mapnames are complete nonsense, with bangers such as
guh.wad
florb.wad
gorb.wad

[hexed jungle]

At least I can tell what they are when I open my files to play the latest thing you made lol

Even something simple like [username]'sfirstmap_v[version number] would help

[cloud tangle]

yeah

i always have version comments

like ft. more health or just final

or this

[hexed jungle]

New and improved florb, now with 50% more health!

[cloud tangle]

pretty much, yeah

hell, even the name filbert figglebottom bottom is nonsense, EVERYTHING I DO IS NONSENSE

[hexed jungle]

Nonsense.wad lol

[cloud tangle]

no dont give me ideas

im just bad with naming things, all my terraria characters are named finfee, or some variation of that (except for herbet but we dont talk about him)

[hexed jungle]

So like finfee 1 and finfee 2?

[cloud tangle]

So terraria lets you add items in text fields, so all of them have an item that represents what run im doing

and theres also finfette

[hexed jungle]

Terraria has builds?

Idk much about it, I never could get into it because of how annoying the cursor controls were

I think I tried it on console or something

[cloud tangle]

yes

i love Terraria i beg you to play it

[hexed jungle]

Eeuuuhhhh

I can't play Doom in Terraria lol

But more seriously I just don't like the game

[cloud tangle]

thats fair

its ok to not like games lmao

[hexed jungle]

I've kinda realized I don't care for building/survival games in general, unless it's something pvp like DayZ. Even with mods, games like minecraft usually get boring to me or I don't feel like building for some reason.

Then I turn around and work on a Doom map for 7 hours lol

[cloud tangle]

my dream game would be a combination of the both

[hexed jungle]

Doomraria

[cloud tangle]

pretty much

[runic breach]

terradoom

[cloud tangle]

and the fact there is no reference to doom in terraria is appalling

[twin narwhal]

I like cookies

[timid flume]

This has been a while in the making, for sure, since things have been ultra-busy for me. But finally, I'm ready to show off the melee animations for the Crusader's new Arming Sword for Walpurgis, which is tentatively called "Heavensever".
https://youtu.be/VIyRJGgLDWA

The draw animation needs to be smoothed out; it jitters a bit at the end, but otherwise, I'm pretty happy with how this is looking so far.

What do you think? And what do you think the other fire modes do with a name like this?

[bitter flame]

How was it?

[hexed jungle]

I still haven't played it, I'm at work rn

[bitter flame]

Okay

[brave hemlock]

in my medical opinion there has to be one more frame of the sword slinging back

swing and thrust animations are fire

[haughty flower]

lmao. the mod im working on is called ''knobcheeseandhoneybees.wad''

[timid flume]

The sheathing, you mean?

[brave hemlock]

the draw animation

[timid flume]

Yep, I've actually fixed it a bit since the video, looks better now. It was a bit flickery before, you're right.

[brave hemlock]

awesome

great looking sprites btw 👍 mod looks awesome

[timid flume]

Thanks. It's been a long road to 1.0 of Walpurgis, but we're getting there. 😄

[gray glen]

I'm using GZdoom Builder And I don't know how to make key doors, and when I try to look it up, it just talks about Ultimate doom builder.

[whole blade]

yes, ultimate doombuilder is the current iteration of the doombuilder series

action 13 is what you want though

"door locked raise"

[gray glen]

Oh, ok Thank you Ill try it out Right now

[gray glen]

@whole blade Ok, It worked thank you! Ill upload a map here In a few days

[whole blade]

np

[lusty orbit]

hello

please help, i am i completely new to classic doom mapping and i want to make the playable character move at slower speed, why isnt this working?

[whole blade]

might be easier to do it via gameinfo

https://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO/GameInfo_definition

[lusty orbit]

game info? is that in the base wad file?

[gray glen]

You can also use a mod

But i dont think there is one

[lusty orbit]

yeah lol

[gray glen]

Ill try to find one

[lusty orbit]

i havent found any so far

[gray glen]

I found one but do you want the enemies to be slower too

And combat

Which isnt ideal

[lusty orbit]

How and where would i write that?
GAMEINFO {
NormForwardMove 10, 20
}

just write that in the decorate file?

[lusty orbit]

if worse comes to worse and i cant figure this out yeah can you pass me the mod for that please

[gray glen]

Yea hold up

https://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/downloads/basic-slow-motion-mod-for-gzdoom-only

Got it

[whole blade]

it's part of the mapinfo lump

https://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO

[gray glen]

Mkay

Would that mean he would have to do the slowdown code on each map

[lusty orbit]

I only need it for one map, is this how I would write it?

nope that dont work

[gray glen]

That sucks

Try looking it up

I bet theres a doomworld forum on there that explains how to do it

[lusty orbit]

ive looked every place online map 😭

okay i got it lol, i had put it in the wrong place

thank you BridgeBurner 🙏

[gray glen]

Theres this website called mediafire, where you can upload files and send it to people so that they could download it

[runic breach]

zmovement ya sillies

[gray glen]

Heres a mod I made a long time ago went back to it to update it

[runic breach]

i think ultimate custom doom has that option too but i'm not sure

[gray glen]

Yeah i think ive seen it

[whole blade]

no, the player speed setting goes in the gameinfo block

oh you got there

np

[brave hemlock]

Hey what's the simplest way to add custom weapons/change properties of the current ones

Might go on a searching trip but I just wanna know if someone experienced would recommend something specific

[cloud tangle]

map02 is coming together

[cloud tangle]

anybody wanna see some screenshots?

[gray glen]

@brave hemlock for modifying the current weapons, download dehackEd4

@brave hemlock and for adding new weapons, download slade3

[brave hemlock]

ah so you can just do it in slade

thanks! maybe ill cook something up over the weekend

[gray glen]

Yeah, its fun when you get used to it

[real sigil]

Made this machine a couple months ago and finally remembered to put handles on it. Originally planned to use custom middle textures, but I decided to screw it and make the handles 3D as well.

Gotta say. The shape I hate the most is tiny slopes cause of the loophole tricks you gotta do it align them to the T. But hey, it’s there.

[brave hemlock]

holy macaroni

[real sigil]

Meanwhile also me: guhhh what is this machine called. I call it cord machine 💀

[gray glen]

What program are you using to make this map?

[real sigil]

Good ol ultimate doom builder (.udmf)

The key is lying to yourself that this isn’t a doom builder. This is Walmart blender.

[gray glen]

Dang for real?

[bold breach]

anybody else having a problem where the entire maps ceiling is changed when adding a 3d floor sector?

i haven't been able to find anything online

wait nvm

[dire lintel]

i've got the overall shape of the room now

[real sigil]

Well actually its not a bad way to think. It’s basically like legos on steroids too, considering how everything can be broken down into blocks in the most optimal way.

[gray glen]

Well, i use Udm but Im only able to create very doom like structures

@real sigil How are you putting objects over objects

[dire lintel]

holy crap that's awesome

[real sigil]

3D floor function in .udmf format

[real sigil]

Thanks my dude

[dire lintel]

finally i finished the bed

[real sigil]

Rad

[bitter flame]

Were you able to?

[brave hemlock]

what an epic line

[runic breach]

nah it's walter mart blender

(walter mart is third-world walmart)

[real sigil]

Lol

Welp I wouldn’t put it down that much. You learn a lot by forcing yourself to think in simple blocks and discovering tricks and loopholes to get either an exact result or something with a lil smoke and mirrors

[runic breach]

yeah walter mart blender is editing the obj files with notepad

[real sigil]

Haha

[hexed jungle]

I've been pretty busy the last few days, honestly looks like I probably won't be able to try it til the weekend.

[brave hemlock]

broom engine

[dire lintel]

yeah but would it work in a car

[brave hemlock]

35 ticks per second is like 35 horse power

so probably not

[bitter flame]

Okay

[dire lintel]

damn i guess no clean car engine i guess

[brave hemlock]

you'll have demons under the mask

[bold breach]

just learned how to do custom textures... what have i done...

[bitter flame]

Lol its okay. I screwed up a ton of bricks that I have no plans to fix in my mod aswell lol

[real sigil]

I can resonate with the pain in this image

[dire lintel]

this hurts me

[brave hemlock]

custom textures are awesome

id argue not those ones though...

[cloud tangle]

i should try to add in some custom textures for the megawad i am quite literally 2 levels into

[autumn mural]

meat map yum yum

[timid flume]

Here we also have the final second slot-3 for the Druid, the Protean Seed, which shifts her into a Dryad, also coming in 0.99 to complete the set. In Dryad form, the Druid will access to more nature magic abilities and gets a staff:
https://youtu.be/GIGdsasUAAM

[brave hemlock]

god damn that staff drawing animation

[leaden juniper]

can anyone help me download a mod?

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=68009
how can i make the revenant work?

[haughty flower]

mods, who knows how to make em?

[brave hemlock]

youtube is your friend, literally search up "how to make a doom wad" and you'll find some good tutorials

that's how i learned the basics

i can tell you some programs that you'll most likely want tho, GZDoom or any other doom emulator of your choice, SLADE3, and probably Ultimate Doom Builder

[cloud tangle]

i kinda just fling myself into things and rawdog it

this proves nothing except why i get frustrated a lot

[brave hemlock]

you naturally learn while doing so that is absolutely not a bad approach

[cloud tangle]

ah

[brave hemlock]

but motivation is a bitch sometimes

[cloud tangle]

but yeah i went ~10 months going through 2 dropdown menus to increase and decrease the grid size without knowing theres a keybind

[brave hemlock]

well i've used source hammer for a couple hundred hours before taking up doom modding so i kind of had the basics already and UDB is quite similar to hammer in a lot of regards

[haughty flower]

[brave hemlock]

slade includes a basic map editor but UDB is a lot more versatile and epic

[bold breach]

trying out a hell themed map for the first time

heres a courtyard

[cloud tangle]

i like it

[timid flume]

Is that a good god-damn or a bad one?

[cloud tangle]

i wonder how odd a map drawn whilde high would be

[copper igloo]

I have a Doom 2 wad I plan to release tomorrow.
Stay tuned.

[outer scroll]

I finally figured out some form of map creation, this was just me dickin' around and learning how gzdoom builder worked

rn I'm tryna figure out doors which is confusing as hell

[copper igloo]

Doors are always the first hurdle for new map makers. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

[outer scroll]

I found out the thing has a built in thing to automatically make doors

one problem tho.

where the FUCK IS MY WALL LMFAOO

it's here on the other side??

[copper igloo]

Oof

[outer scroll]

...I forgot my texture-

[outer scroll]

this shit is weirdly fun

[cloud tangle]

its just fun

[hexed jungle]

When you peaked around that corner I legit thought that was a cyberdemon hiding behind the wall

[hexed jungle]

Looking forward to it

[cloud tangle]

sigil type shit

[outer scroll]

lmao

[hexed jungle]

Honestly even Romero isn't that evil

[outer scroll]

now, the Casali brothers on the other hand

[hexed jungle]

At least he waits until later for the cyber to show up or puts them far away

But I've seen his Sigil 2 streams and it's looking pretty evil

[cloud tangle]

e5m FUCKING 2

right after you get the red card

oh god this weed is kicking my ass

[hexed jungle]

Yea but that's like halfway through the map and you can easily telefrag him lol

[outer scroll]

ok wait one quick question

how do I handle putting a secret sector over a door at the same time

cuz I'm tryna open the door and it's refusing to work??

[cloud tangle]

someone who uses udb help them

[hexed jungle]

You can only assign one action special per a linedef or sector

[outer scroll]

is gzdoom builder the same as udb or do I need to move platforms

[hexed jungle]

Assign the sector the actual secret is in as 1024 Secret: yes, and make the linedefs the action specials using 202 door generic

[cloud tangle]

i just use door raise/open

[outer scroll]

I'm using a doom 2 wad though??

hold on

[hexed jungle]

GZDoom Builder was discontinued, Ultimate Doom Builder succeeds it

[outer scroll]

oh.

fuck lmao alr

[cloud tangle]

dude i shouod stop smoking i feel wide

[outer scroll]

will I be able to move what I'm working on now over to UDB from GZDB?
also yes filbert, put the blunt down lmao

[hexed jungle]

I would imagine so

[cloud tangle]

nah its a pen

it is quite. heavenly.

[hexed jungle]

select the wad and add resouces you need, probably similar to gzdoom builder

[cloud tangle]

i feel like im floating

[hexed jungle]

Before you do anything though, type 1024 in the special box and lemme know what it comes up as

[outer scroll]

it did

[hexed jungle]

Well that's good lol

[outer scroll]

where I have the soulsphere

should I put a new linedef down to break the two connecting linedefs or

[hexed jungle]

Okay so I guess GZDoom Builder doesn't even have anything for that, interesting

[outer scroll]

I moved to UDB like just now

same WAD file I was working on

[hexed jungle]

Also you shouldn't need any extra linedefs, just use sector mode and change the action special

[outer scroll]

the door is refusing to open for some reason

[hexed jungle]

Should say that when you are in sector mode

[cloud tangle]

trigger > player use > on

[hexed jungle]

You should assign the door action special 202 to the linedefs you want the player to use

[outer scroll]

???

the furthest my shit goes is 141 which is

[hexed jungle]

Also I misspoke, when you want to assign a secret in sector mode, you press this button and open the generalized effects tab

[outer scroll]

BAH

IS THE SAME THING-

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG BROO-

[hexed jungle]

Idk what these menus even are, they are completely different from mine

This is what I see when I edit linedefs

[outer scroll]

dude.
DUDE.

WHAT WACK ASS VERSION DO I HAVE?????

hold on lemme show my settings of shit

I HAD IT SET UP WRONG

IT WAS SET UP FOR DOOM 2 INSTEAD OF GZDOOM UDMF

[hexed jungle]

Kinda interesting how much less stuff you have on the tabs when you change game configuration lol

Idk why any of the activation flags would be missing in doom 2 format though

Also most recent version of UDB is R4121 if you look at top left

[outer scroll]

@hexed jungle is it supposed to look like this?

[hexed jungle]

Is there a generalized effects tab when you press the button next to the special selection menu

[outer scroll]

ok

NOW it looks like it should, glad I spent so bloody long on this only to realize I've been doing it in the wrong format

[hexed jungle]

Right, so then on the linedefs for your doors action special 202 should say door generic

And you should be able to select activation flags below that menu

[outer scroll]

okay

[hexed jungle]

And if you want the door to do something specific, press the menu button next to the type box

[outer scroll]

is still not working??

hang on I might

have to have you fiddle fuck with the wad itself cuz I dunno what the fuck I'm doing wrong, no matter what I look at it should be right

[hexed jungle]

What orientation are the linedefs

[outer scroll]

do I need to wipe the door out of existence and redo it?

[hexed jungle]

I wouldn't think so. Also, if the linedefs on the sides are just walls then they do not need action specials

[outer scroll]

ok

[hexed jungle]

I wish this server had VC or something so I could see this in real time

[outer scroll]

I could privave vc it to you rq

[hexed jungle]

I'd prefer not

[outer scroll]

alright

why doesn't this server have vcs anyway?

[hexed jungle]

No clue

[outer scroll]

ok I think

I'm gonna just tear out the door and redo it with different linedefs

[hexed jungle]

Alright lol

[outer scroll]

it works the moment I did LMAO

I can FINALLY MOVE ON

I'm going fucking insane lmfao

[hexed jungle]

Maybe switching configs or from GZDoom Builder to UDB messed something up

[outer scroll]

yeah

[hexed jungle]

There wasn't really much change here, it's just a few extra rooms with one of them being a bunch of stairs leading to a small room and a secret that had stairs too big for the player to even use. The room with the arachnotrons in the last map is actually not too bad, but you might want to remove some of them so they can actually move and shoot when they aggro. Also the red door at the end of map 2 only opens once when you press it.

@cloud tangle How's the mapping going on your end?

[outer scroll]

ok quick question, what the fuck are skills 1-8 used for and how do I set a demon to all difficulties

[hexed jungle]

I think skills 1-5 are the base difficulties, don't quote me on that though

Everything else I think might be extra slots or something for custom skill levels if I had to guess

[outer scroll]

alright

I also wanna know why I'm unable to do the tiny little 16 increments of lines with the linedef tool

I have to do the really shitty freehand thing for specific things

[hexed jungle]

Like what?

[outer scroll]

it's going by 32 unit increments now, so I can't do little turns like I have here

[hexed jungle]

Also you can change grid size with [ and ]

[outer scroll]

oh.

ahh ok yeah there we go lol, ty for putting up with my barrage of questions

[hexed jungle]

Also you can use this bottom right

[outer scroll]

alright

I think from here I'm gonna mess around with things like stairs until I figure it out, thank you for helping me with some of this and making me realize I was on the wrong config lol

[hexed jungle]

Yea no problem, happy to help people

Also I playtest maps for people too

[outer scroll]

ok one last question, stupid one

how far up can the player step

[hexed jungle]

Idk specifically how far, but there are stair textures that give you an idea of a kind of standard step height

All the step textures appear to be 16 high

[outer scroll]

yeah

I just manually made steps, I'll figure shit out later

[outer scroll]

a mistake or two was made LMFAO

[cloud tangle]

i forgot how to linedef im a mental vegetable

[bitter flame]

Where were the glitchy stairs? How was level 3 in general? I think I fixed the door on map 2. I removed some Arachnotrons on level 4.

[hexed jungle]

Sorry, it was the bfg secret map 3 with the bad stairs. Map 3 in general was alright, there are still a lot of pain elementals though.

[bitter flame]

Hmm. I will split up the pain elementals some more. The stairs are useable, you just have to jump up them .

[hexed jungle]

@cloud tangle @bitter flame I have some progress pics on the next section of my map if you wanna see them

[bitter flame]

Sure

[hexed jungle]

Here are the early stages

[bitter flame]

Looks nice

Besides the changes that I made or just fixed what else should I change with mine?

[hexed jungle]

I'm not really sure aside from just doing passovers to fix any texture issues or make sure all the action specials are alright

[bitter flame]

Okay

I will work on the next level sometime soon

[hexed jungle]

Actually, I did notice there was a cage across a lava pit in map 3 that didn't have anything in it. Was there supposed to be monsters there?

[bitter flame]

That was just supposed to make it seem more like a place (also why it had tunnels). There are a few more tunnels in the BFG secret room (one with lava) that are there for atmosphere and are non functional. Map 4 also has some non functional tunnels in the arachnotron room.

[hexed jungle]

Ah, I gotcha

[bitter flame]

Did it work lol

[hexed jungle]

Well I thought the cage was just missing monsters, I didn't realize it was more for a sense of place. I was trying to figure out how to get in there lol

Would probably be a great use for mancubi or something

[bitter flame]

Hmm. I think I will add some there. What about the non functional tunnels in the BFG room and Arachnotron room?

[hexed jungle]

I might have missed the tunnels in the bfg room, but for the arachnotron room you mean the blood tunnels you can't reach?

[bitter flame]

Yes

[hexed jungle]

You know that would make a great secret, being able to get into those tunnels. I would connect them, add some monsters like imps and hitscanners, and then have them lead to the arachnotron platform so you can actually press the switch. You could even make the switch lower a platform with the yellow keycard on it

Well, if you do the keycard thing then it shouldn't be a secret I guess, but still the general idea of getting up there to get into the arachno room is a good idea

[bitter flame]

Hmm. That would be better if I knew how to make the switch activate the platform. For the hitscanners do you mean have them in the blood tunnels or the main room?

[hexed jungle]

In the blood tunnels. As for the switch, I imagine you can assign a generic floor action special to the linedef the switch is on, then assign a tag to the sector the keycard is in and link it to the linedef action special

[bitter flame]

Thanks. I will try it when I add more to the map tommorow/tonight.

[brave hemlock]

good one definitely 😁

[haughty flower]

top 10 lindef

[copper igloo]

Released my doom 2 wad!
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/141018-cybercano/

[hexed jungle]

Nice, I'll check it out!

[copper igloo]

Fixed a bug with a lift in level 4

[cloud tangle]

this looks fuckn' sick

kickass scenery

[haughty flower]

downloaded, will check it out later

[outer scroll]

yo so uh

can I have a keycard-locked switch to open a door?

I can't figure it out

I mean open and stay open

[outer scroll]

@hexed jungle sorry for buggin you but can you answer this question by chance?

[hexed jungle]

Should be an option in the type box under the action special to stay open when used

[outer scroll]

alright

I was able to figure out how to open a door remotely with a switch like right after I tabbed back in

it is now functional and fully playable

[hexed jungle]

Yea so if the switch opens the referenced sector tag, then there should be a type box for that action special to open it and stay open. The door lock box should also be on that linedef

[outer scroll]

feels alright too but eh might want a second opinion

[hexed jungle]

Well the floor textures are not aligned on the right side

How close is this to completion

[outer scroll]

mostly just making it uh

like

a box to work with

[hexed jungle]

Well if you want you can post the wad and I can playtest and give it some feedback

It's hard to really give meaningful feedback from just that image alone

[outer scroll]

alright

I'm bout to get burnt alive aren't I :monkaS:

[hexed jungle]

Gameplay wise that was actually slightly ball busting lol, but I like that. Some of the doors only had one doortrack texture and the last door had unpegged textures without doortracks. The corner of one door is kinda caved in, but idk if that's design intent or not. If you fix those things and make sure the rest of the textures are aligned then it's not a bad first map.

Might also wanna move the rocket launcher off of the ammo as it kinda glitches visually, at least in the doom software renderer

[outer scroll]

yea I just moved it after I sent it

I went for a little environmental storytelling too by like

having that one marine next to the ssg with scattered shells and a box of shells n' shit

[hexed jungle]

Details like that are good

[outer scroll]

if there was an exploded barrel I would've put it next to the fuckin flaming barrel but

it is what it is for now

now to figure out how I'm gonna align the shits and properly texture the walls

[hexed jungle]

So if you shift+left click in visual mode, it will select adjacent sectors/linedefs with the same texture

Just press A to auto align, and if you want textures aligned vertically then it is shift+A

[outer scroll]

yea I did that

also I did NOT notice a wall was gouged a bit lmao

ty for pointing that out, I wouldn't have seen that later

[hexed jungle]

There is a lot of empty space where the soulsphere secret is, might be a good idea to use that as another secret or maybe a monster closet

[outer scroll]

oh shit actually yeah

I could add an extra challenge for 100% kills....

all shotgunners/chaingunners /j

[hexed jungle]

Inb4 hides a cyberdemon in a linedef tripped closet

[outer scroll]

fr

[hexed jungle]

But yea, you're makin good progress keep it up

[hexed jungle]

Hey, was the platform with the shotgun supposed to have a ceiling come down when you presss use in that sector?

In map 1

[outer scroll]

@hexed jungle can you check the secret closet in this now?

I feel like it's way too easy for what I put in there, want a second opinion

also might extend it back and put a plasma rifle and a cell pack

[worthy sparrow]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/141025-the-shadow-episode-final-build/ I finally finished my 32 map megawad!

[outer scroll]

nice!

[hexed jungle]

I didn't find the map any harder honestly, there are enough shotgun shells for everything. I'd probably just add a couple revenants or something and compensate with some extra rockets in that room

Also some of the doors are still missing tracks, and the last door still needs the lower unpegged flag checked for the door tracks

[outer scroll]

that's what I was forgetting

[hexed jungle]

Also might wanna tag the new secret sector, it still says only 1 secret

[outer scroll]

gotcha

:trollreal:

(I am not leaving the cyberdemon it would NOT be able to be fought)

I might

have to add a couple medkits, I survived with 1 health 6% armor

I am big skill issue

[hexed jungle]

Cyber would be pretty funny, but you'd have to either give a lot more shells or plasma rifle

[hexed jungle]

You could try playing around with the first five skill levels and try supporting all the difficulties

The map is small enough for it

[outer scroll]

nahhhhh UV supremacy
(while I'm still learning I'm just fucking with one difficulty level for now)

[outer scroll]

for map 1...

oh wait I forgot there was a thing I needed to fix

@hexed jungle alright last time I'm gonna ping you for now, this is the last edit I'm making for a while

lemme know how it plays

[hexed jungle]

Not bad, I liked the archie surprise lol

The second secret room has some misaligned textures tho

[outer scroll]

FUCK

[hexed jungle]

Haha

Pretty fun little map though

I made it out with like 173 health and 56 armor

[outer scroll]

I've done it no damage

at least pre-archie suprise and shit

alright

now how the fuck do I add another map, do I just like hit new map?

[hexed jungle]

I don't know lol

The wad I'm working on only has one big map so far

And it's the only one I've worked on since starting mapping

If I had to guess, new map > name the map MAP02 in the little box, but don't quote me on that

[outer scroll]

I'll try it

nope

it's an individual wad apparently??

[hexed jungle]

Uhh, idk. You might need to use Slade to add maps to a wad

[gray glen]

Save ur current map, make a new one named map02, then when you finished it. Click save to wad

[outer scroll]

alr

[hexed jungle]

Sweet, we both learned something today lol

Thanks

[gray glen]

Yeah, when you click file. There should be a button called "save to wad". Then you can choose a wad there

[outer scroll]

alright

[outer scroll]

tyvm

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1057386122189213787/1098804104232439880/togif.gif

[outer scroll]

that's so fucking real

[bitter flame]

I played it too because why not lol. First thing is why are the doors so thick lol. Everything else was good although I would add a few more enemies because I never got below 60% hp on the first map at any point.

Also I did not find any secrets or look for them lol

[outer scroll]

the mistextured wall:

[outer scroll]

ngl I did not think about that

[bitter flame]

Did not find it lol

[outer scroll]

hold on lemme

the startan3 wall among the startan2 (highlighted wall)

[bitter flame]

Looks fine to me.

[outer scroll]

I am now once again struggling to make a fucking door even tho I'm doing it just fine

I might need to wait til tomorrow to do another map

[bitter flame]

F

[outer scroll]

I'm too tired for this

[bitter flame]

Same lol

[gray glen]

Welcome, to the world of doom maping

[outer scroll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/802455390670553140/1094762625780436992/20230405010304.gif

the linedef deciding it wants to fail being depicted accurately (it's chasing my last remaining shred of sanity)

[copper igloo]

Nope.

[hexed jungle]

This happens when I press use

[copper igloo]

This whole time I haven’t found that one bug. Thanks for finding!

[hexed jungle]

Yea no problem. Also, I found an instance on map 2 of the wall to a switch lowering a soulsphere not opening, but I could still press the switch downstairs in the box area.

[copper igloo]

Thanks again! Fixed a few switches that could be accessed from far away.

[haughty flower]

Hey, Does anyone here have a server about doom modding imparticular? this server does great but theres no vcs.

[cloud tangle]

no but we should make one

also @hexed jungle should i release map02 right now or should i wait until map03 is done

[hexed jungle]

If you are close to finishing map 3 then might as well wait

[cloud tangle]

I've got a round idea for the beginning

ill just release map02

rough*

[hexed jungle]

John Romero's server has VC, though I can't post invite links here. You can find the link on Romero Games youtube channel.

[bitter flame]

There are some floating around. I can dm you some links if you want

[maiden pewter]

i need some wads to play

[haughty flower]

yeah that would be great

[bitter flame]

Sent

[trail lion]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/angry-anna-halloween-quest-2/downloads/angry-anna-halloween-quest-1-2-redux

[bronze galleon]

Por qno puedo conectarme a los. Servicios del juego?

[molten crescent]

Okay

[haughty flower]

how feasible would it be to take an obsidian generated map and edit it to add a few monsters of my choice?

[whole blade]

you can do it, but i wouldn't recommend it

and if you do, make sure it's really fucking clear that you used an obsidain generated map

[cloud tangle]

im not a huge fan of obsidians mapgen

i doesnt feel doom

and the map design doesnt feel coherent, very 3d roguelike issues

also map03s current top textures are the brown and bronze textures

also bigbrick2

Top Flat Textures FWATER1, CEIL5_2
Top Wall Textures SP_ROCK1 BIGBRIK3 and BRONZE3

if anybody wants to know the starting color scheme

[haughty flower]

Oh yeah I wouldn't try passing it as my own, I just want to make my own weapons testing map for personal use

Get a map with a layout and monster distribution I kinda like, then sprinkle in whatever I feel like it's missing

[whole blade]

for testing weapons it'll do the job i imagine

[cloud tangle]

oh i made one like that i might have a backup on a flash drive somewhere if you want me to find it

[haughty flower]

oh I'd like that, if you have it still. I am looking for a map to see how different monster and weapons mods interact before actually trying them out on a regular wad

[cloud tangle]

its an empty clearing mainly, but with some fun buildings around ut

[real sigil]

Guys am I following the recipe right?

(The grease and the liquids in the bottles are animated but discord crunches up video quality so awful)

[outer scroll]

am I doing something wrong what the fuck

I thought this was how I set it up??

[whole blade]

you haven't sepcified a type

[cloud tangle]

oh wait you guys have to choose a second amount in udb?

slade just gives you a box that says Delay (ticks) and says goodluck

[whole blade]

depends on the format

slade doesn't do UDMF

which is what is shown in that image

[royal wave]

https://x.com/kbeevans/status/1717017091382059285?s=46&t=yt-PcCBYYcVX-zR78DETPg

[cloud tangle]

slade does udmf.

i know this, all my maps are udmf and are made in slade

anyway is 4 barons in map03 pushing it?

and like

5 or 6 hell knights, and mind you not in one single encounter

i think there may have been too large of a difficulty spike
woke up today and felt sadistic

[bitter flame]

Haven't figured out that quite yet but I got another demon added lol. Do you know how to change the menu background and level names? I wanted to get those figured out at some point too.

[cloud tangle]

menu background → use wadext to get the raw image file, do whatever, put it as a .png in with the same name, and drag and drop it into gzdoom to have it appear
level names → just- dont bother

[bitter flame]

Wdm by wadext?

[cloud tangle]

look up wadext on your browser of choice

theres some other steps but im sure youll get it

(mainly because i forgot them)

[cloud tangle]

also also i wiped the flash drive, i can make a new one if need be and you don't feel like it

[bitter flame]

I just made a file named titlepic and made this the background. It worked lol

Ima leave it like this, too funny lol

How do I make the mod go to an end screen after the last map?

I think the last one might be the last one for now

[cloud tangle]

theres a special for ending the game if that's what you mean

[bitter flame]

Which one?

[cloud tangle]

i

dont remember just scroll through them

[bitter flame]

They are not labeled

Just like S1, G1, W1 exits

[whole blade]

Then it's been added recently

[cloud tangle]

oh i use slade they are lmaooo

[cloud tangle]

for 8 months i guess

[whole blade]

Yep, that would be recently

[cloud tangle]

oh alright

[bitter flame]

They are not in slade for me

[cloud tangle]

oh

im just going off of memory, usually it serves me well, ill take a look later

[bitter flame]

Okay

[leaden juniper]

you know any good starting points with mapping

[brave hemlock]

are they all in one room? depends on the room size, pickups, other enemies ig

but id say they arent extremely difficult or anything it's just target prioritization as usual

[hexed jungle]

Congrats!

[hexed jungle]

Do you mean like general ideas for a map theme/design, or like learning how to do specific stuff in an editor?

[leaden juniper]

both

[hexed jungle]

I'd start playing/replaying wads you think are good and looking at things like texture combinations, design gimicks, how combat encounters are done, etc. Like a nice example I just played was Romero's E1M8b replacement for Doom 1 and I think it's the best tech base level I've ever played. It has a really fun layout and the design leans into the limitations of the engine, like how he layers parts of the map on top if each other and reuses space.

Also open up wads you like in Ultimate Doom Builder and see how they did specific things like a trap you might like, or how they designed a piece of a level and see if you can make your own twist on those ideas as practice.

Opening maps is also good for being able learn to do basic things like make switchs or doors, or make triggers for things.

Plenty of videos on YouTube go over Ultimate Doom Builder basics as well

Doom Zero is another good example of playing with access to parts of a level based on lowering/raising key areas on a map

Also @cloud tangle you gotta play E1M8b if you haven't, it's a great tech base map

[haughty flower]

Ah, thanks for checking. Guess I'll make something on obsidian, then

[cloud tangle]

alrighty

[cloud tangle]

nah they come in pairs in two different encounters

[brave hemlock]

ah then it shouldnt be too bad

[cloud tangle]

yeah, but map02 only had one baron and one hell knight

but also like 5 cacos

im obsessed with the idea of the super shotgun/bfg being sacred so i think i will only have those behind secrets heavily guarded

because i think thats fun

[haughty flower]

I really like the idea of changing the sprites of these two weapons to make them look more iconic, like Eternal's SSG

[cloud tangle]

i think the og dooms are more iconic than eternals tbb

[haughty flower]

I mean, of course. But I mean, making them look like in-universe relics

[cloud tangle]

ah

we need someone who knows how to do pixel art to do that

[brave hemlock]

thats not too bad

you can just make a more difficult wad, that's no problem

hard wads can be fun too, fun to overcome all the enemies

i haven't played a lot of wads but one I played was Overboard which was quite a bit more difficult than the base games but it was still fun

One map in particular had like 30 cacos just shooting projectiles at you (there were powerups of course, but still, that's a lot of em to fight at once)

[cloud tangle]

yeah map03 is a big skill spike

[haughty flower]

okay I think I decided on one thing I want to make my own first mod, and it's a simple thing: I want to extract a bigger and stronger explosive barrel from some mod and make it standalone, to combine with gameplay mods that keep the vanilla barrels. Sometimes it's jarring to be wielding very strong highly detailed weapons and then the barrels go with that little wimpy poom instead of a mighty KABOOM
the only things I've found so far, was a guy who extracted the barrels from Brutal Doom, but kept the specters in it for some reason
and another, is... Nuclear Barrels. Which is clearly in the realm of comedy mods and never to be used in an actual playthrough
I'm guessing this is a simple enough "project", only made easier or harder depending on how the mod I base it on has it's barrels set?

[lusty dove]

Kaboom sounds a name for a source port

another boom fork

[brave hemlock]

that's true

imagine barrels o fun but with nuclear barrels

[haughty flower]

I tried and I got exploded by yhe initial room barrels at the teleporter

[cloud tangle]

i hve accidentally made the most sadistic and confusing secret level

anybody want a very early version of florbeendorb.wad (thats what my megawad)

changed maps
map01-03
map31

ONE SEC do NOT play map31

i forgot to add the enemies i was so done with doing the portals istg

[cloud tangle]

oh i messed up the portald too

[hexed jungle]

Who's gonna stop me

[bitter flame]

lol

[hexed jungle]

Is map 3 not finished?

Also your mapping is improving, good job

[cloud tangle]

no far from it

also have you tried map31 because im making it even more sadistic

like a baby that also hate

like my parents neglecting a child emotionally and abusing it so it becomes this hateful entity i call map31

[brave hemlock]

is there a limit of how many maps can a wad have

[grand token]

Theoretically no, I suppose, barring things like maximum number of lumps a wad can contain or map name string permutations (maps can't have the same name and there's an eight-character limit). Though you won't able to access anything beyond 32 without a limit-removing port and beyond 99 without a warp command.

[brave hemlock]

how about pk3? do they have a different limitation?

[grand token]

Assuming you specifically mean the GZDoom one (since different source ports use PK3 for different formats), judging by this wiki page, it doesn't seem to differ a lot from the WAD format: https://zdoom.org/wiki/Using_ZIPs_as_WAD_replacement

So the only hard limit I can think of is the maximum number of lumps a wad can contain, which is held in a 4-byte signed int. (You can't run out of 1-8 character map names before that.)

[brave hemlock]

great to know, huge thanks for the help

didn't know pk3 isn't universal

[manic flume]

Question, where might i find doom mods of the strategy variety?

[bitter flame]

Not a mod but there was a demo of a fan made game called Doom Wars. Didn't really play it a ton but its floating around. Its a RTS, not sure if that's what you were looking for lol

[manic flume]

ill see if i can find it..

[bitter flame]

Does anyone know how to change the names of maps and make the mod end after a certain map?

[teal wyvern]

You have to use a MAPINFO

https://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO

[cloud tangle]

secondly, did you find all the secrets?, because there is one that may be my favorite setpieces

(in map03)

[bitter flame]

Oof

[hexed jungle]

The SSG?

[cloud tangle]

yeah

[hexed jungle]

Ye I found it

Only one I couldn't get to was the room with the windows where all the hit scanners were

[cloud tangle]

ohh yeah

ill give you a hint: light

[hexed jungle]

Also what exactly lowers the green armor on map 1? I still have no idea how I made it lower

[cloud tangle]

when you walk into the exit nook, you cross a line that lowers it

also ive decided im gonna always make the ssg something you have to go out of your way for

[hexed jungle]

Ah, okay. I figured it was probably around the exit area. First time I played the map I couldn't figure it out so I just left lol

[cloud tangle]

lol

did you find the ssg in map 2? i liked that secret too

[hexed jungle]

Nah

I didn't get all the secrets on that map

[cloud tangle]

oh

did you find the 200 health secret in map 2?

[hexed jungle]

Uuuhh, I don't remember lol. I remember a hidden button and a Berserk I think

I think I only found like 2 secrets

[cloud tangle]

oh yeah thats the 200 health secret, soulsphere is hidden there too

its accidentally identical to a secret in e5m2 in sigil

[hexed jungle]

Oh you mean right at the start?

Yea I never found that one either until I saw a playthrough lol

Did you play E1M8b yet?

[cloud tangle]

oh shit i forgot

also shotgunners are the key to 2 different secrets i just realized lmao

[hexed jungle]

You gotta play that shit, you'll love it even though it's doom 1 again

I don't even like tech bases and I thought it was amazing

[cloud tangle]

tbh i think doom 1 had better boss levels

except dead simple i love dead simple

[hexed jungle]

I think Doom 1 in general has better levels because the lack of enemy variety forces you to compensate

[cloud tangle]

yeah, and the ssg didnt exist so you played differently

[hexed jungle]

He did a stand alone Doom 2 map called One Humanity which also was pretty cool

[cloud tangle]

and the citadel wasnt a map so doom 1 is infinitely better fuck the citadel

[cloud tangle]

i see lemme add it to my backlog

[hexed jungle]

I'd like to do a Citadel remix someday

Also do a remix of Unholy Cathedral

[cloud tangle]

i will absolutely do a citadel remix fuck the citadel it was such a cool map idea too

good ideas the citadel had

1. you don't need any keys to explore
2. its a fucking castle
3. i dunno

[bitter flame]

How do I make a texture the sky? I am trying to make a outside level lol

[leaden juniper]

i want to run a mod with Wolf3D TC, but there are these errors. can anyone explain them to me and how to fix em?

[cloud tangle]

set the ceiling texture to F_SKY1

[cloud tangle]

and i usually set the light to 200-256

[bitter flame]

Thanks

[brave hemlock]

ooh so it works like in source

thats good to know lol i never needed to make a sky before

[leaden juniper]

is there any tutorials for from-scratch beginners to doom modding

[manic flume]

is there any tower defense mods that have you place towers? Not like Stronghold

[cloud tangle]

bruh that was the first thing i did lmao

[hexed jungle]

@cloud tangle Oh yea I forgot to mention earlier that the one imp on a pillar in map 3 doesn't really do anything when you aggro him

[cloud tangle]

i know and its infuriating

and i dont know why

i dont know why it does that

[hexed jungle]

Oh, that usually happens when it doesn't have enough space to move around on wake up

I had the same issue with the two rooms in my hell temple

[cloud tangle]

ohh dammit

i dont wanna widen the pillars

[hexed jungle]

Just used the edit sector tool and increment the size until you have the minimum amount of room then just copy the numbers if you wanna make the other pillars the same size

Should be on the right side when you use it

[cloud tangle]

ng'hhh i don't wanna

[hexed jungle]

Lol

Maybe you could add another pillar or something

[cloud tangle]

or i could i just put that singular imp beside the pillad

oh also how is the fight in the chaingunner room

or the 2 hell knight room

(same room)

[hexed jungle]

I remember using the chaingunners to kill the hell knights

[cloud tangle]

thats what i did, too

[hexed jungle]

First time I didn't do that and I basically had almost no ammo left lol

[cloud tangle]

i intended that to happen

i put a box of shells in the middle so you have to do some smooth moves to get to it mid fight