#heretic-hexen

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unkempt veldt
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does anyone know any good heretic mods?

frigid vigil
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WayFarers Tomb is the only one I can think of

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Or however its spelled

uncut wharf
# unkempt veldt does anyone know any good heretic mods?

Some doom mods are also compatible with Heretic as well, so don’t forget to check there. Like if you want a blood/gore mod, bolognese is a nice mod for Doom that also works for Heretic. Perfect for spicing up vanilla gameplay a little bit

unkempt veldt
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I don't deal with those mods at all

unkempt veldt
uncut wharf
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Wayfarers tomb is included in the heretic + hexen remaster I’m pretty sure

unkempt veldt
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the gameplay aspect of it

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there's a levelset that I dont think is included, but got a cacoward

uncut wharf
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Oh yeah, definitely check that out. I’ll need to check that out too

hot creek
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someone say horus heresy

mossy tulip
vapid harness
sweet cape
brazen salmon
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Wrong Heretic

frigid vigil
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Yeah, in this case the Heretic is good

dense geode
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Are there any plans for a forked independent Heretic Wiki similar to the Doom Wiki? I'm aware that the Doom Wiki already covered most content for Heretic 1 and Hexen 1 but I also want an independent wiki that covered all Heretic games of the franchise, including both Hexen 2 and Heretic 2. The FANDOM already sucks ass big time so the forking is an absolute must

brazen salmon
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From what I recall, Hexen II is also in the wiki. Heretic II used to be but was wiped off the platform a long long time ago

dense geode
brazen salmon
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I don't think any game has ever had a switch as satisfying to pull as this one

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one ninth of the puzzle has been solved

pallid folio
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Also, the pull switches with the bull's head. Those are pretty strong.

tulip bobcat
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Does no one play Heretic and Hexen

austere yew
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wdym? A lot of people do, that's why we made a channel for it

tulip bobcat
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There's barely any messages here from the last month

austere yew
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That doesn't mean people aren't playing it

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You can start a convo too about things here

brazen salmon
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There is a seperate dedicated fan-run server for these games that die-hard fans are active in. Most people don't join a DOOM server to talk about Hexen

tulip bobcat
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Checks out

austere yew
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There was enough interest and requests to make this channel so we did. That's all I can say.

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Sometimes channels are slow for awhile, doesn't mean no one is playing it.

rugged beacon
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I am playing it. But cannot login into Bethesda Account (skull keeps spinning). I will try to open a ticket. Or does anyone know a trick how to make login happen? AI have the GOG Installer version, btw.
I would love to check out the mods, but you need to login to see them ingame.
And I Love this game, btw. 🫶

soft crater
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Honestly, both being made on the idtech 1 engine is it overall just more doom but with a different skin?

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Since I've always looked at it as that and I've not gone out of my way to buy it

brazen salmon
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Heretic mostly so, but Hexen is structured entirely differently

soft crater
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I mean for the hexan

brazen salmon
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Instead of having a linear level set, Hexen throws you into hub worlds with levels connected to them. You can run back and forth through levels at will; your objective is find things in one level to open new pathways in another, ultimately ending up in finding items that allow you to go to the next hub world

soft crater
brazen salmon
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I do not, no

soft crater
brazen salmon
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Nope

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That's for server related inquiries, such as about how the warning strike system works

soft crater
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I've got a computer and I've got too much time in my hand.

zenith shoal
devout lotus
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Hi

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I’m new to discord

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I love doom and gloom hexen and stuff like that

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No gloom typo sorry

brazen salmon
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Welcome and have fun

devout lotus
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Ty

craggy crater
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Did the guys at Raven (Who work on Call of Duty games now) say something like "I'm very happy to bring this game back for old time's sake?

brazen salmon
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I believe Raven had zero involvement with the remaster

craggy crater
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Too much Call of Duty to work on, huh?

brazen salmon
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Wish they'd go back to making games for id. Their Wolfenstein is my second favorite from the series, and Hexen rocks

forest hearth
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Between hexen flame

frigid vigil
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Hexen remake in the style of 2016 when?

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At this point I’m absolutely fiending for more Heretic and Hexen content

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We need a rerelease for Heretic 2 and Hexen 2 so bad

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Maybe another episode for Heretic so I have to suffer the difficulty curve even more

frigid vigil
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The days count down to my eventual replay of all of Heretic

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I replay all of Heretic every may

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One full episode per day

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I might throw Faith Renewed in since I finally played and beat it the other day

brazen salmon
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So... true?

lime gyro
# brazen salmon Wish they'd go back to making games for id. Their Wolfenstein is my second favor...

I don't know about Hexen. I tried to replay it after I played some or all (can't recall) back in the 90s and it got me kind of pumped for the first half an hour or so. Since the beginning is quite good. To have a challenge against melee enemies I chose max difficulty and it went fine. I like the fact that you have selectable inventory. But once I met the long range projectile guys the game became just a fest of run run run and dodge and try to see something through the colored projectiles in those dark arse cramped corridors. I met the flying weak guys and killed them easily, then the serpent green were f anoying especialy since I use one hand with the mouse the other have to dodge, and also jump to the enter key because the game won't let me chose use inv item for mouse2. After I killed them and killed them serpents more, cheesing with the rising platform, I enter next room where the ice monsters also shoot projectiles. I shot them and then another ones appear and shoot more colored blue ice shots. At this point I was like, ok, so the game is a fest of long range projectiles, which I am supposed to counter with melee attacks. I am having enough.

brazen salmon
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Hardest diff is not meant to be beatable

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Play on the one below it if you ever want to play it again

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It makes the game fun, I swear

lime gyro
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I might give it another time later, after I try Strife. I hear good words about that game.

zenith shoal
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its a shame it had to compete with quake and duke nukem, the game got way too overshadowed by those

lime gyro
# zenith shoal its a shame it had to compete with quake and duke nukem, the game got way too ov...

well, Quake1 became the trademark for multiplayer, but I would not call it exceptionally good as single player game. the maps are very well done and all,, but gameplay wise it was the same as in multiplayer. plus it can be seen how they made verticality that they tried to force people to learn to play with freelook. wherever I see a game designed to force people to play in a certain way I am like, doh. they actually admitted that after they build the engine they were burned out, and the single player was rushed with many ideas not being implemented. I suspect that they wanted to make the gameplay like inventory system more complex, like in Hexen/Heretic, but it got all scraped out

zenith shoal
# lime gyro well, Quake1 became the trademark for multiplayer, but I would not call it excep...

yeah tbh i was a bit disappointed with the shub-nigurath fight but i still think its a good singleplayer game, when i first played doom i actually thought it was weird you couldnt look up lol
the competition was just too big though, a new game from id that introduced a very impressive engine and duke with its build engine, basically better version of the doom engine were just too much, even then people thought of the game as a bit outdated (i still love it tho)

tender hedge
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👍

fast lichen
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bro shut up

spark basin
fast lichen
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Not you bro, the click-bait scam incident that just happened yesterday 😭

unkempt veldt
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I dont like Heretic wads much, but map 1 from The Wayfarer is really good

unkempt veldt
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to follow on from that - if you havent played it, you really really should. It's the best Heretic thing I've played, ever

frigid vigil
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I’m a little sad that Heretic doesn’t have too many good wads

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Heretic is fantastic in my opinion and its “rebalance” in the H+H release just does the game dirty

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I just wish Heretic would get big, hard as fuck, and beautiful maps like Doom does

zenith shoal
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most non-doom-but-doom-engine games dont have a lotta pwads sadly, modding stuff in heretic is also very limited cause not a lot of source ports can run it
you either stick with the kex rerelease or something like dsda-doom and you can’t use udmf, only vanilla formats and ex_defs (latter is only kex)
or go gzdoom but then you would only be able to play on it which i havent seen a lotta people do

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this is a bit unrelated and idk if its nightdive but they’ve had a strange obsession with json files recently

primal wyvern
frigid vigil
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First they gotta port the sequels of Heretic and Hexen

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I wanna see H2+H2

primal wyvern
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I only thought there was heretic and hexen 1

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thats cool tho

frigid vigil
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Yeah, Heretic 2 isn’t available anywhere if I’m correct

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You’d have to get a physical copy of the game which isn’t easy

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But Hexen 2 is on Steam and is fantastic imo

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They’re both in the Quake 2 engine too

zenith shoal
frigid vigil
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I think its Quake 2

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Wait no, I think its a modified version of Id Tech 2

zenith shoal
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heretic 2 is quake 2 engine, but hexen 2 uses the original quake engine
“Hexen II is the sequel to Hexen created by Raven Software with the Quake engine and was released on September 11, 1997.”

tight pine
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Started playing me some Heretic after buying it just now. The voice commands I made for Inquisitor III to play in VR are paying off lol

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(IIRC they also paid off for strife)

normal vine
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Or separate releases for each game. I'd love either

shadow current
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hexen and heretic could use their own discord server

hot citrus
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in hindsight Faith Renewed seems to have a story that contradicts Heretic 2 lol

hot citrus
normal vine
hot citrus
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Both seem to be about Corvus returning to Parthoris after the events of Heretic 1 but Faith Renewed to my knowledge makes no mention of the plague from Heretic 2 also Iirc Faith Renewed is about like followers of D Sparil who have taken over which isn't mentioned in Heretic 2

normal vine
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I mean, it isn't stated that Corvus returns to Parthoris in Faith Renewed, and my personal headcanon is that it's one of the outer worlds that was conquered by the Serpent Riders relatively recently compared to the other ones. I was kinda writing a fanfic of sorts about it because I felt very inspired. Maybe I'll continue it or make it public someday

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I've just checked the wiki and apparently the world it's called a "foreign land" by official sources, so it can't be Parthoris

frigid vigil
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Yeah, I feel like if it was Parthoris they woulda made it clear in the text walls or smthn

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I want more Heretic, even if it is just an expansion for the sequel if they do an H2+H2

frigid vigil
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So apparently a month ago someone made a sourceport for Heretic 2

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And I’m playing it and its freak’n awesome

normal vine
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Now we only need an official port for consoles

frigid vigil
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Yeah, I would love to 100% H2+H2 if it does get ported

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It’d be such a kickass platinum trophy

normal vine
# frigid vigil It’d be such a kickass platinum trophy

I already got the platinum for Heretic + Hexen and I love the icon and name. It was a cool experience, though I had to reclute some of my friends to get the "beat a hub with all 3 classes present", which could be troublesome for many

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I hope Hexen 2 doesn't get an achievement similar to that one

frigid vigil
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The multiplayer achievements plus having to beat Death Kings again after like 3 years of not playing it were not great

normal vine
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I don't get the hate for Deathkings. Sure, it could use some new enemies and environments, but I had a blast regardless

frigid vigil
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I just think the level design is bad

normal vine
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In what sense?

frigid vigil
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I think the enemy placements aren’t great, the 2nd hub just feels messy, and I just didn’t like the puzzles at all

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I want to put it into better words but I literally woke up 5 minutes ago

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It feels like the guys who made the city maps of Doom 2 made Death Kings

normal vine
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I'll have to watch a retrospective then, since my backlog is way too stacked to replay Deathkings and check it out for myself

frigid vigil
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Think I’ll have to replay it too

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I haven’t played since H+H came out

hot citrus
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I think it's weird that D'Sparil is the only serpent rider to well ride a serpent

frigid vigil
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I mean, Civvie did sum it up pretty well

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Korax would impale his serpent and Eidolon is too fucking big

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But yeah, I guess the name falls under the rule of cool where shit that doesn’t make sense makes sense because its cool

frigid vigil
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Ok, been a few days since I beat the first boss of Heretic II and I’ve got some thoughts on the game

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Heretic II is absolutely peak but my big issue is flying enemies suck to try n’ hit

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I’m currently in the section where you encounter the healer who tells you to gather 2 different items to make a cure for the plague