the-dark-ages

[heady trout]

okay so the aggadons parry window is fucked at 150% and smallest parry window

half of the time when it should be a parry it just isnt, so im turning the parry window up

has to be a glitch bc I refuse to believe half of these parry misses are my fault

or the precise timing at such levels is so absurd it doesnt even work

[fading bone]

id be very curious to see some clips of these supposed missed parries

[heady trout]

okay the cyberdemon leader encounter is much better without the stupid broken high projectile speed

[green estuary]

might be something up with your specific installation or something

but also even though the parry timing is technically still 200 milliseconds on 150% speed, the faster speed makes it feel very unforgiving

[heady trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1482809098339750050/DOOM_The_Dark_Ages_2026-03-15_15-33-25.mp4?ex=69b84d16&is=69b6fb96&hm=b3bb55e17e153f8dda41bbe2328a85a33b7ec1969b53a4d3c060c293914a4f0b&

here are some that just beffudled me

[green estuary]

yeah my brain can't even process ts

[heady trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1482809630508978217/DOOM_The_Dark_Ages_2026-03-15_15-35-50.mp4?ex=69b84d95&is=69b6fc15&hm=6d852b76930ec8902b6c0315d5309d59ef067f97ba1c857aa4d58a8ff122078f&

like what exactly am i doing wrong here

[green estuary]

okay you were definitely early on the overhead slam in the second clip

noticeably early

[fading bone]

yeah

[green estuary]

first clip I dunno though

[heady trout]

okay yeah but what about the first clip cause thats the one that actually confounds me

[fading bone]

i mean it could just be that you were like a millisecond off

[heady trout]

yeah im not playing this game to parry shit by the millisecond

im turning up the parry window, cause theres diffuclty and then theres absurd precision requirements

[whole plover]

That's inhuman precision and kind of defeats having fun and turns into a headache

[heady trout]

basically

[fading bone]

i mean yeah theres a reason i dont play at 150% speed

but its definitely playable if you want to learn the timings since plenty of people play on 150% lowest parry consistently

[heady trout]

man yall say you have so much playtime and did all these cool things with UN but i legitimately thought u and Katsu played on 150% this whole time

[green estuary]

nah lol

[fading bone]

yeah 150% looks ridiculous

[heady trout]

shit maybe I pushed the game a bit too far, I might actually go down a notch

[green estuary]

I did my best UN run on 300% damage, min parry, and 125% projectile speed
and I think just 100 speed

making the game faster generally just makes it less fun for me

although 120 is all right

[heady trout]

shit i was under the impression 150% was ideal

[fading bone]

120% is the sweet spot

[heady trout]

oh well, food for thought, ill consider yalls words, thanks

[fading bone]

i will now go try the aggadon on 150% just to see what it feels like

[green estuary]

hell nah lmao
don't give in to the eternal brainrot

[whole plover]

I play on 150 because Im a masochist, its also why I haven't been able to beat un yet

[slender night]

I wonder what speedrunners play on

[green estuary]

150 on default settings is unpleasant to the eye, but it also isn't that hard

[slender night]

150 is obviously fastest but also super high risk

[heady trout]

hey its MY eternal brainrot

[green estuary]

I mean I also have eternal brainrot
my muscle memory keeps making me press R to flame belch in tda despite that hotkey being bound to the impaler

[heady trout]

i bound r to shield throw to save me the headache lol

[green estuary]

I have shield throw bound on my side mouse button

like my nades were in eternal

[heady trout]

okay now ill go back to my run and either lower speed or something else bc im starting to believe ive been punishing myself for no real reason

admittedly I did have fun before spire but once i played it shit started to crack

asscrack

[fading bone]

well i just tried 150% and within a minute i was able to get the feel for the parries

i would show you a clip but my clip thing didnt work

[heady trout]

tbf u have like hella playtime

[fading bone]

still was missing that double swing one tho

[green estuary]

virgin 150% speed user vs chad 300% damage enjoyer

[fading bone]

so i feel you on that one

[heady trout]

whoever got the double swing right first try is an alien

legitimately humanly impossible

[fading bone]

yeah that one took me a few lol

[heady trout]

turned it to 130%

increased enemy projectile speed to three bars @green estuary that sound normal or do you play with lower projectile speed at 120%

ill end up making my own sliders ofc I just wanna hear your take

oh also increased damage to player now that im at 130% speed, yknow counterbalance the decrease in speed

i was playing on 250% damage to player before anyways

[green estuary]

3 bars is the default
but rn I'm essentially playing with 3 and a half bars

https://www.nexusmods.com/doomthedarkages/mods/61

[obsidian shard]

The god 50% Damage to Demons

[heady trout]

holy shit the battle against the komodo and revenant leader is actually playable now, i can focus on the komodo while dodging both strings of enemy projectiles and parrying

THIS is what the devs intended lmao

funny ass sliders lowk

[green estuary]

Well, I kinda play something like that
My melee and guns deal regular damage (melee deals half to melee units) but my rune damage is heavily nerfed

[heady trout]

the temptation to try the bfc encounter without the bfc

[versed quarry]

I had something similar happen to me when I played Eternal after finishing Dark Ages. I tried to shield bash.

[heady trout]

nah

[heady trout]

I tried to parry the marauders green eye flash

[versed quarry]

Now I kinda wish that was possible. Like you can only parry the marauder because fuck them.

[fading bone]

welcome to the actual game

enjoy

[heady trout]

okay yeah spire is a completely fine level if you don't have bs sliders enabled

now finally, peak realm is here

i won't blame the game, I'll blame the Doom Eternal mindset of "uhm if your not being tortured to death your not properly playing the game"

elitism sucks

oh yess the cosmic realm ambience i can feel the peak coursing through my veins

changed the gamma so i could see the enviroments better

[fleet spruce]

i can already hear Into the Void

[heady trout]

the arena with the leader aggadon is actually pretty tough

almost felt like a ripatorium arena

but in a good way

first cosmic realm level goated as always plus I already have maxed out dreadmace

in truth I have all the upgrades I want so theres no need to keep looking for secrets

but the secrets in the second cosmic realm level are peak so i must

[potent parcel]

this is true

[heady trout]

the second cosmic realm level is so short if you ignore the secrets lol

[hearty edge]

wait can u not go back to previous missions in pandemonium

[potent parcel]

cosmic realm is one type of game section where I don't mind it being a little padded 'cause you kinda need time to let it sink in that you're lost in this alien place that you don't know how to get back from

[green estuary]

nah, there's no chapter select in pandaemonium or UN

[hearty edge]

i still are kind of a noob but 120% game speed and 60% slow mo feels so much better than 100%

130% also feels good but i sometimes mess up the hell knight parries

[hearty edge]

damn

i forgot a ruby in sentinel barracks

[green estuary]

same as extra life mode in eternal, no going back and farming stuff

[fading bone]

go for no slow mo

it feels so buttery smooth i could never go back once i changed it

[hearty edge]

at least u do get more rubies and gold than u need

i will have to be careful with the wraithstones tho

[hearty edge]

may try

[heady trout]

agreed

okay so in temple of lorimath you can completely ignore the vagary in the first big arena lol

[potent parcel]

hmm.... but I won't 😛

they're probably my favourite super-heavy to fight

[heady trout]

awesome arena, also me knowing about the ricochet in this playthrough turns cacodemons into an actual advantage cause I can stun them with the shield saw and SHRED nearby demons, even leaders. For example once the pinky rider leader became exposed a cacodemon showed up and I could use ricochet on it to shred the leader, easiest leader kill ever

[heady trout]

i like the vagary too I just didnt know you could ignore it

[potent parcel]

it is kinda funny, definitely not something they'd have allowed in the previous two games

[fading bone]

riccochet is actually so busted

ive made so many encounters completely trivial by just spamming it

[potent parcel]

I agree but I still like pincushion 'cause demons go boom

like making my own explosive barrel

[hearty edge]

it's wild how much better u get in subsequent playtroughs because u have a better understanding of the game and its tools

[fading bone]

pincushion is hilariously good for the mass hellknight hallway in the final cosmic mission

[elder raven]

side note but that hallway is one of my favorite things about how they handled exploration in the cosmic realm

so cool

[hearty edge]

bro i'm doing my weekly replay of final battle right

the freaking cyberdemon threw a skull at me

so funny

[heady trout]

i just find it really easy to parry and dreadmace

i never used pincushion

now for belly in the beast, my least liked level from previous playthroughs that doesnt involve a vehicle

[green estuary]

I should make a mod that reduces the slowing effect from the goo

[potent parcel]

yeah I can see that
but my biggest complaint is that the music track doesn't call back to TNT Evilution

[elder raven]

you should make a mod that doubles it

[potent parcel]

like, the pun on "Into The Beast's Belly" was just sitting there
and now, it's still just sitting there
waiting

[slender night]

Broooo I've been wanting them to remake TNT tracks for the DLC for so long. Sadistic specifically

[heady trout]

okay funny thing about the first big arena is that the acolyte leader can be killed really fast but if you dont it becomes a archville eternal problem where its a hassle

[green estuary]

leader acolytes actually have barely more health than normal acolytes

[potent parcel]

yeah, there were lots of good tracks there but it's just like, nobody ever seems to remember them

[slender night]

Because three people play TNT a year 😭

[green estuary]

so two SSG blasts at point blank is usually enough to deal with them

[potent parcel]

and I'm of the dying breed that still extracts the midis from the wad and just listens through a soundfont

[hearty edge]

it's like my favorite

[heady trout]

okay so the strat i figured out for the funny acid+vagary arena is to keep your distance, use rockets and once the stupid armored arachnotrons are dead you can move in closer

that arena still sucks bc of how much it encourages standing back but well at least I have a strat for it

secret encounter cyberdemon was bugging a bit, i was clearly in range for parry-able attacks but he refused

[potent parcel]

he got smart

[heady trout]

true

okay, i might have been too harsh on belly of the beast, but if it didnt have that one bullshit arena with the acid and some funny.com moments id consider it S tier

[potent parcel]

it's grown on me a little bit since my first play but I don't think it'll ever be one of my favourites
though part of that is 'cause the levels right after it are sooooo gooood

[heady trout]

this is true

the peak of the game comes right after belly of the beast

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1482835643364020415/Screenshot_20260315-171845.Chrome.png?ex=69b865cf&is=69b7144f&hm=8bc302d83263b0c99ffa378e02a435452bbe2f62b058070c5c417555b73fe002&

new-er tierlist

[potent parcel]

a fellow Lomarith enjoyer
although I mostly love it for the mind-bendy navigation and "What Lies Below" being my favourite music track

even though it's also the one missing the obvious TNT reference

that descending 10/8 (I think) riff it has for a "chorus" is just wonderful

[harsh egret]

a tier list i can get behind

for me i would put belly of the beast somewhere in S but otherwise pretty good

[heady trout]

okay beat harbor of souls, gonna stop for now, either way i just wanted to replay the game with my newfound knowledge and honestly it gets better with every replay

[harsh egret]

im probably start a randomizer run tmr if i got time, been meaning to do it

[heady trout]

i wanna do that too but randomizer has the funny ''heres every demon you DONT like fighting in a group''

[harsh egret]

is that the case for the balanced one as well lol

actually screw it imma start rn

[green estuary]

The balanced one doesn’t throw the real scary demons until you’re prepared

Like armored variants and acolytes don’t show up at the very beginning

But other than that it’s entirely up you which demons show up at which frequency

[harsh egret]

ye i started that one

i just left it at default

[green estuary]

I’d honestly remove lost souls

[harsh egret]

lmao nah that sounds kinda funny

[green estuary]

They’re lumped in with the regular fodder which constantly respawn
So you often just take unavoidable damage because a lost soul just spawned behind you with no tell

[mystic oxide]

Anyone have that bug where when playing any ripatoriam encounter on console where the combat shotgun is the only usable gun? Melee and BFC is also not available for some reason.

[heady trout]

can I choose which ones shouldn't show up? Cause I have a list...

[green estuary]

Yes

I just removed lost souls from the pool but I had half a mind to remove imp stalkers as well

[harsh egret]

well i only got time for khalim but so far pretty fun lol

[green estuary]

Nightmare imp stalkers I mean

[ancient atlas]

how do i save a pre-set in the game?

[green estuary]

You can’t directly save it in the game itself (that feature might be coming soon, can’t remember if the devs mentioned it)
But just copy the code for each encounter and save it some place

[ancient atlas]

damn ok

i'm just working on my preset and it's kinda uncomfortable to copy paste codes every time i boot up the game

[hearty edge]

abyssal forest is f tier since it introduces the whiplash

(worst demon oat)

[green estuary]

whiplashes in tda ain't even that bad

in eternal they're way worse

[hearty edge]

holy shit 0% slow mo is the best thing ever

[ancient atlas]

worst demons oat are blood makyr and that green imp that slows you down

[hearty edge]

ok yea blood makers are horrible

[hearty edge]

oh god it's actually amazing

yea i aint ever going back

[ancient atlas]

yeah

when i played katana zero i didn't use slow mo feature as well

cause why

it's playable without it and gives much more pleasure when you reflect bullets

man 2 agaddon hunters and 1 cosmic baron are intense lol

i gotta give my preset to my friend who is more skilled than me

he plays with 50% damage to demons

and against few heavy demons it might be really hard

might be unfun even

[elder raven]

as someone who beat the campaign on that setting its as painful as you can imagine

[noble coral]

Hello, do I need to clear the whole level or can I just pick up whatever secrets I missed on my first run and just quit the level ? I

[ancient atlas]

you can just pick up secrets and quit

[noble coral]

ty, just wanted to save me a minor set back before quitting hehe

[ancient atlas]

i did a platinum in tda like that

master challenges for shredder had me more time to complete it than every other master challenges combined

[hearty edge]

first wraithstone of my 3rd playtrough lets go

now demons will Eat This!™

[ancient atlas]

csg or ssg

[hearty edge]

ssg ofc

i mostly only use the csg as a pseudo flame belch

[noble coral]

im having a bad time finding everything in defend the city level tt

[ancient atlas]

siege 1?

[noble coral]

yeah

[ancient atlas]

yeah the level is huge

might make you bored of finding the secrets

i think tda lacks of fast travel feature like it was in eternal

where in the end of the level you could just teleport to place where you won't get back

and collect everything you want

[obsidian shard]

It does Lack it, yes

[noble coral]

I mean it does mark stuf fon the map if you havent picked it up but theres this little secret in this level with no hint at all Dx

[ancient atlas]

eh

i don't remember already

lol

[hearty edge]

yknow one day i started a new playtrough

i was able to blast trough levels 1-5 in 2 hours with break

and siege 1 alone took me 1 hour

[hearty edge]

which one

[noble coral]

one in defend the city

https://imgur.com/a/1KopVQJ

[obsidian shard]

Ahhh Siege pt 1

Also great music

[ancient atlas]

one of the best soundtracks in the game

[hearty edge]

imma be honest i basically know siege 1 like the palm of my hand so idek what's left

[obsidian shard]

The bass sections

[ancient atlas]

in heavy fighting parts it slaps hard

[hearty edge]

like my brain goes full auto

[ancient atlas]

i really like the active drums part

https://youtu.be/Tc1ty9AAoIE?t=190

drums makes it so fucking impactful

i like how the drums used in fm ost at all

like it just takes a guitar part place

[noble coral]

found it tt fuck this level lol

[noble coral]

the combat music slaps a lot

no idea why people hate on the game, is probably my favorite a bit above eternal but maybe only cause I can spam w/e weapon I want instead of needed to quickswap like a maniac to be effective, plus you feel soo ROBUST

instead of feeling like a quake3 arena character

[ancient atlas]

you can still quick swap in tda tho

just after some actions

like shield charge

feels cool

[noble coral]

for sure but its not as mandatory i think

[ancient atlas]

yeah

base campaign allows you to play it even with only one gun you like

maybe pulverizer is exception

eternal is like dmc 3 + ninja gaiden 2 of fps

enemy ai is insane like in ng2

makes you sweaty af

[noble coral]

is there any way to replay the levels but with only the upgrades/weapons that you should have at that point ? like to practice for permadeath mode

[ancient atlas]

no

[noble coral]

rude

[ancient atlas]

i mean it's cool to play with fully upgraded arsenal

default guns and fully upgraded are two completely different expiriences

the issue is that most part of the game with full upgrades are too easy

i hope masterarenas gonna fix that

[heady trout]

i find it funny how ressurection always runs the worst out of any stage in the game for me by a noticeable margin even though I have the graphics as low as humanly possible

and the game crashed right as I tried to restart isnt that funny

like the game STRUGGLES to load ressurection specifically at a high framerate its like it turns to actual slow motion

why is it just this particular level and no other

[errant panther]

[noble coral]

I have had 2 Drive Time outs in like 20 hours of gameplay, both on Forest level, game just hates some rigs I guess.

[obsidian shard]

Whats you specs?

I was recently able to get the game running at a smooth 60fps on a 2060 and a below spec CPU

[fleet spruce]

Level is just too badass obviously

[noble coral]

r7 9700x. 32gb ram ddr5 kingstone something, 9070xt, game runs at solid 100+fps on max everything 1440p, just had 2 crashes at the same level for some reason.

[obsidian shard]

but it did dip to 30 in Reckoning, Forge, Forest and Resurrection

[noble coral]

havent been to resurrection yet I think

im like in chapter 15/21 I think

[marble tulip]

Doom The Dark Ages>>all dooms

[heady trout]

Doom Eternal>Doom The Dark Ages> Every other videogame

[elder raven]

except atari’s e.t game

[obsidian shard]

All DOOMS>>all Dooms

[twilit stone]

Quake>>>All Dooms

[stable idol]

Doom >>> mood

[hearty edge]

Game >>> another game

[hearty edge]

nah bro siege part 1 most goated level imo

along ressurection

and reckoning and harbor of souls

[obsidian shard]

And all the Cosmic Realm levels

[fading bone]

and every other level

[hearty edge]

except abyssal forest because i'm the #1 whiplash hater

i still find it funny how in doom eternal they were like the glass cannon demon and here they're the 2nd tankiest heavy just before the goddamn 10 meter tall eldritch horror cacodemon

and tankier than the cosmic magic tentacle witch that makes it rain death all around the arena and the one demon that's described to eat and bloat itself till literally exploding

[fleet spruce]

i just throw shield saw into one when i see one

[heady trout]

same

[hearty edge]

shield bash ssg punch my beloved

[heady trout]

the whiplashes become truly annoying once they start shooting the homing projectile in enclosed spaces, thankfully that can be avoided by sticking close range

i love that part in harbor of souls with the two buffed Whiplashes

if you stay far from them they will kill you with the ranged projectile's though 😭

[hearty edge]

and even tho they are tanky here and fragile on eternal they still take less ssg shots to kill here bc every weapon deals a shit ton of damage

[heady trout]

whiplashes in Eternal can occasionally pull some major bs with their ranged attacks

[hearty edge]

oh yea

yk i feel like the slower projectiles here are both a detriment and a blessing

[heady trout]

i find whiplashes good ricochet targets since they can tank alot of hits

[hearty edge]

they're easier to dodge but if u get swarmed by them u will die

[heady trout]

same for cacodemons

[hearty edge]

i mostly use mancubi since they're easier to target

[heady trout]

im glad there's a semblance of an option in this game for "hate fighting this piece of shit? Dw stun them and use them to damage others while they die too!" And that's the beauty of ricochet

[fading bone]

whiplashes being slithery bitches dodging my shield make me want to sepuku

[heady trout]

cause without ricochet cacodemon would be even more annoying cause you can't help your NECESSARY tunnel vision

ricochet is the "you can tunnel vision for now" option

[fading bone]

what does necessary tunnel vision mean

[heady trout]

which is especially useful when this games target priority thing goes overboard

[hearty edge]

that u need to focus your everything on the cacodemon

[heady trout]

focusing on one target too much and ignoring everything else

[fading bone]

i mean thats just prioritization.

[heady trout]

it comes from snipers in games only looking at one target through their scope, it ends up looking from the pov as a "tunnel vision"

[heady trout]

not really, tunnel vision is a detriment bc it implies a lack of spatial awareness

[fading bone]

i know what tunnel vision is but calling it necessary sounds weird

[hearty edge]

in that way it's kinda similar to the energy shield except balanced

[heady trout]

for the cacodemon and arachnotron its necessary many times (especially those fucking mines)

[hearty edge]

oh yea the mines

[heady trout]

like not killing the arachnotrons fast or first in many encounters can determine if you die or not

[hearty edge]

if i see an arachnotron you betcha i'mma be shield bash ssging them as soon as i get the chance

[heady trout]

those mines WILL destroy your shield, leave you with low health and keep you completely vulnerable to anything else in the arena

at least their not tanky at all, even the armored variants

[fading bone]

i mean you can just rotate and dodge them.

[heady trout]

yeah, not really in many occasions

smaller spaces, super heavies that require melee approaches

[fading bone]

i have no issues with it

[heady trout]

good for you, I do

[fading bone]

can easily disengage and go elsewhere

just saying theres ways to play around it. you seem to treat some of these engagements one dimensionally

[hearty edge]

and the armored variants actually have a parryable attack so i can activate the blue sword rune and kill everything else

[heady trout]

More than once in my playthrough before this one I was fighting a Super Heavy, got mines thrown in my face, shield died, I was at low health and the super heavy got free hits in

some of the fastest deaths I've experienced in this game came from the arachnotrons mines

one time i was playing seige part 1, shield bashed one guy and he threw a wall of mines and I died instantly

[hearty edge]

mostly happened to me in reckoning

[heady trout]

mines are just too powerful in comparison to so many other damage sources it's pretty ridiculous

[fading bone]

dont mines only blow up over time? ive never had one instantly explode on me

[heady trout]

If i refuse to kill them they will either deny an entire part of an arena or basically leave me with 5 health and no shield out of nowhere. The game begs me to kill them first

[heady trout]

they explode instantly on me

[heady trout]

The cacodemon is a different problem, I tunnel vision them bc I hate having to wait for their invulnerability wall attack bs to wear off

i can totally turn away while they do it but that's just lame

acolytes are the worst offenders though, forcing me to play hide and seek

at least make them entertaining to fight or something

[fading bone]

yeah cacos if they do the wall just go do something else. i see purple and i just take it as a free moment to go kill half the other arena. its basically a "im going to be completely unthreatening for the next 8 seconds" and i get to forget about them until its done

acolytes are annoying as hell and even when i shield stun them i swear they still teleport away sometimes

[hearty edge]

do any of yall have like the stats for demon and weapon health and damage

[noble coral]

man I did some replaying of old levels to get new upgrades, went back to my current level and all my progress reseted ?

fuck this fucking stupid shit wth 🙁

[fleet spruce]

probably some weird ass bug

I missed one armor upgrade, went back to pick it up and didn't have any issues

[fading bone]

yeah there shouldn't be any issues with that

unlucky

[last geyser]

You know what would make the dragon sections better

If the hell jets fired dodgable projectiles at you as youre chasing them

And for every successful dodge it fills up a meter for an instakill

Cause those things take too long to kill

[nocturne marsh]

Do we have any lore abt what happened to the Sheild saw after the dark ages?

[random sand]

nope. my guess is it was destroyed

either that or doom slayer lost it and didn't bother looking for it

[wide siren]

threw it too hard once

[noble coral]

I found a lot of posts from literally games launch complaining about the same... sigh, oh well, I did wanted to play the game again so... I will forgive ID software just this time... xd

[violet zealot]

sup

[hearty edge]

maybe he had it till he was sealed in the coffin and lost it forever r smth we dunno

[split gate]

Yep and it never came back lol

[heady trout]

some pinky bit it and ran away with it

https://tenor.com/view/scout-tf2-tf2-no-tf2-scout-no-tf2-gif-5658164279773421779

[noble coral]

ok so nobody told me the game is much better with slow downs off

[fleet spruce]

preference moment

[hearty edge]

nobody told me about id

[neon gust]

I really like how much of TDA's experience you can customize but that won't convince me to give it Eternal pacing

[last geyser]

The council must be high if they think they can take on the doomslayer

[fading bone]

TDA with no slow mo and slightly higher game speed is 🥰

[slender night]

TDA with no slow mo and slightly higher game speed is 🥰

[swift peak]

Tbf he did get shanked and melt in acid

[wide siren]

i have a feeling they don’t get a vote

[potent parcel]

It's hell though, shouldn't they be more of a Low Council?

[noble coral]

I love everything about dark ages but the slowdowns do get tiring, I have enough cinematic slowdowns to tolerate already in tekken 8

🐒

[teal harbor]

We need more atlan and dragon gameplay

[neon gust]

Atlan missions are always pretty short so I hope we get a longer Atlan mission at some point in the DLC

[swift peak]

i hope they're fully optional

[last geyser]

They should add new titan enemies too

[neon gust]

I liked the Old One bossfight a lot, probably one of my favorites in the whole game so far

so I hope we get another really creative Atlan bossfight like that too

[teal harbor]

Make the ripatorium have mech and dragon gameplay

[solid nacelle]

What can you even do with the dragon in the ripatorium

[elder raven]

i like both but the atlan is the only one that could realistically work

and even then the atlan has only like 3 unique enemies

3 if you count the armored titans, 4 if you cant the old one

[obsidian shard]

Bro really got 💯

[obsidian shard]

And 2 guns

[solid nacelle]

Atlan ripatorium could be interesting if it had more mechanics

[harsh egret]

and alot more enemy types

it would get very old very quickly with the same 2-3 enemy types

[solid nacelle]

I'm surprised they didn't have flying titans

[obsidian shard]

Clearly you never met Larry

Or Giant Caco

[swift peak]

Atlan needs a total rework tbh

[harsh egret]

well thats the 2nd part of my point, they dont need to add extra AI when the atlan sections are just meant to be short breaks inbetween

[swift peak]

It’s too far from the game, give it some way to recover health or lower damage

[solid nacelle]

Idk who Larry is but I meant for the atlan

[harsh egret]

it takes alot of extra time for very little payoff

[obsidian shard]

How, it's literally rock em sock em robots, it's JUST like Pacific Rim

[swift peak]

Its too much of a gameplay diverge to feel fun and can be annoyingly hard

Serrat is just a nothing burger used to get you from point a to point b

[obsidian shard]

That's the point, it's different.
And for hardness, well that's all dependent on who's playing

[swift peak]

It’s different in a bad way

[obsidian shard]

Agreed on that
A COOL nothing burger
But still a nothing Burger

[obsidian shard]

[potent parcel]

I liked the Old One fight but besides that I felt like it wasn't engaging me
it was just like, why am I not in the main combat loop right now
the dragon felt better 'cause at least I had to think to navigate and hunt secrets (and most of its levels actually have the main combat loop too so I'm never far from it)

in both cases I didn't really gel with the mechanic of charging up attacks by dodging. It's not that it's hard it's just like... why are you locking my power fantasy behind defensive play?

[obsidian shard]

"Stand and Fight"
And the symbolism that the best defense is also the best offense

As you get a powerful attack for blocking/dodging/Defending

[potent parcel]

the shield is great because it's a defensive play that's also offensive in the same move
but on the mech and the dragon the two aspects just feel disconnected to me

[harsh egret]

i mean if u dont parry ur shield runes dont trigger, if u dont dodge on the dragon then u dont get more powerful attacks

[obsidian shard]

Dodging gives a more powerful attack/charges them, same idea done in a different way

The DLC weapon appears to be doing a similar thing

[potent parcel]

I don't really feel like it's rewarding me for a dodge, more like I just randomly have a new attack after doing it. It just doesn't feel like a logical connection to my brain.
I'm glad you guys like it anyway, definitely not trying to spoil your fun

[harsh egret]

dont u also have new attacks when u parry during normal gameplay tho

i think the issue is having only one attack available in the dragon sections, they cut out a few things from the dragon before launch

[obsidian shard]

Ye more depth for both would've been good

But what we got isn't bad, it's just... meh...

[harsh egret]

i feel like they couldve had an upgrade tree for the dragon

the atlan not so much, but the dragon yes

[obsidian shard]

Ye

NG+ has the ability to do PEAK

[harsh egret]

indeed

they've been cooking in radio silence for like 10 months on that lol

[potent parcel]

I think part of what bothers me might be how the game is trying to tell a more immersive type of story than the last two but the dodge->reward feels so video-game-y that it pulls me out of it a little

like I don't think it would've bothered me as much if it was in Eternal

[harsh egret]

if anything i feel like the story is the least immersive personally, its just expanded with alot more characters and things going on

but i get what u saying

[potent parcel]

yeah I'm not sure if that was actually the right word but it's the one I thought of. I'm very sleep-deprived today 🙂

[harsh egret]

yeah its just the least arcadey of the 3, so the arcadey elements can feel off

personally i dont feel that way but yeah

[solid nacelle]

I don't know if it makes for a very good pace breaker when there isn't much variety in the guys you fight. The cast of atlan enemies just consists of large guys with big hammers that sometimes wear armor and shoot lasers, and one boss. At that point it's just "look guys look it's the part where you punch the big guys" and not much else, I think it deserves to be slightly more interesting

[potent parcel]

I think it should have had another boss 'cause that was the part of it I actually liked

[hazy pasture]

?

[harsh egret]

they are short enough to not need more enemies. and they are too short to spend extra time for like 2-3 new enemies that would appear a few times each. devs would much rather spend that time on something else, and not that

[potent parcel]

at that point I'm even making decisions fast enough that the gamier stuff doesn't have time to bother me

[obsidian shard]

5-10 minutes max

Per

[harsh egret]

on average its prob a little more especially for first time playthroughs

[supple oracle]

Ok after thinking alot of what the DLC could be like here my conclusion

The DLC gonna be open, but not open world.

The hub it gonna be used to travel between worlds(Maps).

when you progress in world you unlock spawn points, if you want to teleport back that world in Specific area to unlock more stuff.

something like god of war ragnarok tree hub.

Source:Saleem's research apartments, also Trust me bro

[harsh egret]

but yeah its just too short to really have devs work on extra enemy AI when u could work on improving other things that matters more

bro why do u keep pinging him

[hazy pasture]

Trollers/spammers

[harsh egret]

ye there's the 5% chance its a real person so who knows

[hazy pasture]

Interesting source

[hazy pasture]

Check gen chat lol

[potent parcel]

oh I've seen

[supple oracle]

We not gonna see the the liner progression that we used to the campaign

[harsh egret]

i agree

[potent parcel]

I'm excited for that part actually

[hazy pasture]

Agreed

[supple oracle]

for me personally, I LOVE THAT

[harsh egret]

same, it would also bring additional variety when replaying through it

[supple oracle]

Which this might lead to next game gonna be like that too

[harsh egret]

yh it seems like they try something for dlcs and then improve upon those new elements in the next game

[solid nacelle]

I don't mean they should go out of their way to add new enemies post launch or anything like that, I just think maybe they were a little over ambitious doing both the dragon and the atlan when making the campaign, I think it would have been better to just commit to one or the other and make it it's own proper thing

[harsh egret]

well the gameplay for those sections was supposed to be deeper but they cut down on it on purpose

[solid nacelle]

Yeah I saw they were both supposed to have additional attacks which is a cut I don't understand

[supple oracle]

we might get 3-4 big maps, with RT only support stuff will be faster to iterate

[potent parcel]

yeah, I figured that's the reason they made the game that way

lets them build a longer one

[harsh egret]

u think it would be good to have 2hr+ maps?

[potent parcel]

'cause even Eternal's campaign was a little bit short

[supple oracle]

I think main story of dlc should be 4+ hours, not include the optional stuff will increase the time alot

[solid nacelle]

What if the levels start kind of linear and you unlock more paths as you complete more of it

[potent parcel]

I mean they did kinda call it "metroidvania" didn't they?

and that's kinda what that is

[supple oracle]

Yes

[unkempt dragon]

If you want to remain in this server stop pinging people in various channels.

[harsh egret]

u mean all optional stuff or do u mean the stuff only unlockable after u finish the main story

[solid nacelle]

Maybe super jump pads that take you to opposite corners to make backtracking easier....

[supple oracle]

not necessary, unlock stuff after the main story I think it bad idea if they make it like that, I would say something like need a key to unlock something, but you find that key in different map, you got the key and you use the hub to back to the that map to unlock it

[harsh egret]

im still surprised they didnt add fast travel to open levels like siege 1 and so on

cuz they talked about it being not something they can do but surely its doable for non-linear levels

[harsh egret]

well Hugo did mention about 30% of the dlc content is unlockable after u complete the main story, so there's that

i cant type bruh

[heady trout]

traversing Seige part 1 for secrets without fast travel really feels like a long ass highway drive

[supple oracle]

Mhh 30% seems not big

[solid nacelle]

What if they brought back the atlan as an exploration tool. Use it to punch holes and make openings

[supple oracle]

Maybe

[harsh egret]

2-3 hrs of content thats locked behind completion of the main game is a decent amount i'd say (im just assuming the total length would be something like 50% of the base game, similar to eternal)

[hard thistle]

sorry i'll stop

[harsh egret]

just like in eternal lol

find random pieces of atlans and power them up

uhm

[hazy pasture]

I guess vro

Gimme evidence

[harsh egret]

his doom cosplays are so good that they are ilegal

[potent parcel]

hmmmmmmm...

[hazy pasture]

He might be Doomguy atp

Pissing off the law and all

[solid nacelle]

I was thinking more like having the atlan be something you unlock through maybe assembling it's parts or collecting an adequate number of energy cells, and you can just use it to traverse the map and open new paths or something

[supple oracle]

What do think about that Horde ??

[harsh egret]

maybe maybe

imo i dont actually think we are gonna use the atlan in the dlc

[warm ibex]

Pretty similar to my theory!

[solid nacelle]

I guess it's probably better if it doesn't come back, I care more about the regular old doom slayer gameplay any how

[frosty roost]

the hub could be like the one in eternal mayhaps??

[harsh egret]

yeah

i hope its at least just as good

[frosty roost]

ahhhhhh

[supple oracle]

HECK YAH dude, I am so excited to play dat shiiet

[harsh egret]

and i really hope we get some easter eggs in there and stuff

a mini ripatorium in there as well maybe

[solid nacelle]

Each map having its own MASTER ARENA perhaps...

[frosty roost]

like the practice area down below?? that'd be sick

[harsh egret]

yep, they named the ripatorium in tda after the ripatorium in the hub in eternal

[frosty roost]

oh that's clever

[harsh egret]

the name is too good not to use it

[supple oracle]

Could be

[south pilot]

the dlc genuinally just sounds like doom the dark ages 2

[warm ibex]

I had theorized that the Kreed's ship will have a war table of sorts (pictured in the rough mockup below) that starts off with a few unlocked regions and opens up more as you complete the extraction objective in each region.

In this context a "region" would essentially just be a level that's presented as a physical location on a larger map instead of a chapter on a selection menu
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1457182158278889687/1481730883965817033/image.png?ex=69b9a6eb&is=69b8556b&hm=41bd8fe788b16d33a0e0caa95fa71dcb9ae8a14472860ace4dd88b2445035929

[harsh egret]

yeees

[solid nacelle]

So you would have a hell region, maybe a sentinel region and perhaps a cosmic region

[supple oracle]

I think this theory better then mine, it make alot sense

[harsh egret]

i just randomly started imagining what if u somehow find Marok on ur ship after coming back after a mission and he's just griefing ur shit

[solid nacelle]

Marok boss battle

[supple oracle]

The longer Icon of sin still on earth, the stronger he become

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-hayden-samuel-hayden-gif-2184365499799776509

[unkempt dragon]

eww office fuk off

let me out

[solid nacelle]

If they did a marok boss battle would that technically make the icon of sin fight in eternal a rematch

[hazy pasture]

Uhh huh Trepang² mission select stuff I see

[heady trout]

can't wait for King Novik to call Marok "Iconic"

[supple oracle]

I doubt that gonna happen in The dlc, because hugo said in chapter 6 stream, they not gonna get into that era in the dlc

I think it for the next game

[heady trout]

"He's an Icon of Sentinel kind"

[supple oracle]

atleast he offer supplies

[unkempt dragon]

like 8 ammo lmao

[heady trout]

Samurs greedy ass could not give more than that lol

[unkempt dragon]

"Take whatever you need".... 5 shells and like a health pack

[heady trout]

I KNOW he wasn't giving more out of spite

[obsidian shard]

Samur but Mighty DOOM

[versed quarry]

So like that maps in 1993

[merry sapphire]

dlss 5 looks so booty cheeks hope they dont bring it to doom

[obsidian shard]

IT LOOKS ai

[harsh egret]

worst shit ive seen

[harsh egret]

thats because it is

[hazy pasture]

Ai slop🥀

[versed quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[split gate]

I just saw that, it looks awful, how did ts get approved bruh 🥀

[heady trout]

greedy corporations that prioritize cutting costs over shit being actually good

[split gate]

I look at what they did with id tech 8, you do not need AI to make it good lol

[potent parcel]

yup

[heady trout]

Does anyone know how to get randomizer for this game?

[potent parcel]

I think someone was talking about one yesterday but I don't remember who 🙁

[elder raven]

are you on pc?

[heady trout]

yes

[obsidian shard]

kaibz mod

[elder raven]

its on nexus mods

easy to install, install the dark ages patcher on nexus (and join the modding discord)

[heady trout]

thanks

im probably gonna get rid of some demons I don't like, or just the Acolyte lol

lost souls too bc of what @green estuary said that they replace fodder randomly

[vapid lodge]

What in the world just happened here

[heady trout]

i think something happened in general but not here

[potent parcel]

they did come in here briefly but I think they decided that spamming every channel was too much work 😛

[merry sapphire]

it is ai 😭

straight up dog water ai filter

[glacial flame]

Is this game still alive?

[frosty roost]

yes

[glacial flame]

After playing it for some time I feel like it kinda… Sucked?

Don’t get me wrong the game looks amazing I’m playing path traced and everything but the combat is constant shield button mashing and the worlds are not as engaging to me as the other two games. I’m a sucker for open world but to me this one kinda lacks the things I liked about Doom. Anyone else feel the same?

[frosty roost]

not really, i loved it

[potent parcel]

I mean you're definitely free to feel that way but I think most of us that are here in this channel are here because we liked it

[glacial flame]

It’s this kind of game that I hope to enjoy you know? I wish I liked it more

[potent parcel]

I can understand that, I've definitely had that kind of experience with other games

just saying you're probably looking at a biased sample 😛

[glacial flame]

It feels like there were good ideas just a bit undercooked in some areas

[potent parcel]

Trackmania Nations kinda hit me that way, like, I could definitely see why people liked it but I just didn't like the stadium feel as much as I liked the other instalments

[obsidian shard]

No, thought it was incredible, favorite yet! Same with the music (turn Sound Effects down)

[obsidian shard]

Yes, We got an update back in November, id Software is working on the DLC at the moment

[twilit stone]

50/50

[obsidian shard]

Game has a 9/10 for a reason-same with Eternal and 2016.

All of them are different in terms of gameplay

It's like picking a flavor of ice cream

[potent parcel]

I love that it doesn't make Eternal feel old, I just get to have two awesome Dooms to choose between

[obsidian shard]

MMM 3 cakes

[heady trout]

2 cakes for me

2016 is a good intro to modern doom but that's as far as I'll praise it gameplay wise

[solid beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1479293121174175826/20F3DB1.JPG?ex=69b95a54&is=69b808d4&hm=12a9e405ad130cb6428fabebcd96048433092bee344ca0cb83e764df88da2fbd&

[green estuary]

2016 is peak

[ancient atlas]

2016 is fine

just different

some people still prefers 2016 over eternal and tda

i gotta replay 2016 before mouse p.i. for hire release

it looks similar to 2016 doom

[ancient atlas]

it does have some issues but i like it

[harsh egret]

2016's got a vibe that the other 2 dont imo

one that i like alot

[ancient atlas]

it has some doom 3 vibes

[harsh egret]

any particular reason why ur playing 2016 before mouse p i lol

[ancient atlas]

idk

[harsh egret]

prob better to play the og dooms or smth, its very inspired by those

[ancient atlas]

just having a vibe for that

[harsh egret]

fair enough

[ancient atlas]

tho i complete campaign only once and on ultra violence

gotta switch to nightmare

[twilit stone]

It feels the most "old id" of the 3

[merry sapphire]

you Could lower the parry timing so it Doesnt get mashy

[merry sapphire]

to celebrate the release of mouse p.i., im replaying prototype 2 again

[fleet spruce]

people forget that you press billion buttons per second in eternal and then say this

[merry sapphire]

yeah but if you mash in doom eternal you die

[dark thunder]

Doom

[dusty hinge]

yo

im just wondering is dark ages better then eternal?

picking up this game now after denuvo was removed

[last geyser]

Other than the gameplay yeah

[solid nacelle]

I personally enjoy dark ages a little bit more than eternal because of how the combat lets you get close and feel like you're actually brawling with the guys

[fading bone]

i think TDA is better

but everyone has their own opinion

[fleet spruce]

my favourite so far of the modern trilogy for sure

[random sand]

depends on your preference. i prefer TDA

Eternal has the fast paced, hectic gameplay with a refined gameplay loop to follow while TDA is more focused combat. focuses more on fighting the enemy rather than spamming the every living shit outta them

[neon gust]

I definitely like it more than Eternal but I don't know about "better"

It's more grounded than Eternal for sure - but at the same time, that's a low bar to clear

and there's definitely some kind of proximity to Classic Doom in its level design that I feel Doom Eternal simply does not have

[heady trout]

this is because of the movment

you can't really have good Eternal level design if it's designed like a classic level, while in TDA the design matches classic games due to the lack of verticality and lack consistently high movment speed

the best eternal arenas play with the movement presented to the player, aka arenas with multiple floors, verticality and many hallways/walls preventing every enemy from shooting you or fighting you at once unless you specifically go for the more risky open areas

a good example of this dichotomy in level design is world spear, which has mostly flat, classic/TDA like arenas that by design end up being pretty basic and not flowing in any interesting way with the presented gameplay loop of Eternal (aka lame)

at the end of the day I prefer Eternal and this is one of the reasons outside of the movment, the arena design that caters to said movment at it's peaks is way more sophisticated than TDAs flat open arenas. Thankfully these work in tandem with TDA's gameplay and that's why in truth i have not many problems with them, I just prefer the Eternal arena design

[sonic birch]

Thank you Tow Mater for this information

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/cars-disney-pixar-tow-mater-mater-gif-777453675031518629

[swift peak]

Could pretty much be said about most things in Eternal, it feels like a pure opposite to what the series is

[heady trout]

that's not a bad thing if it's fun

[solemn snow]

Hello, what's the best way to deliver feedback? Is there a specific channel or forum?

[obsidian shard]

Uhh you can express your Opinions here

[solemn snow]

Oh hey! What's up Jay

[obsidian shard]

Yo

Not much Wbu?

[solemn snow]

In all honesty, i'm not aware if it's been touched on already, but is it normal that the riposte on the mace activates a few moments after parrying instead of immediately? Is it intended?

[solemn snow]

All good fortunately, i like your ripatorium and twitter posts so thanks you

[obsidian shard]

Thank you! I appreciate the support!

[solemn snow]

You welcome! I hope you keep it up, it adds to the stream entertainment

[obsidian shard]

Like the recharge pick up?

There is a short delay since it is a pick up (at least I think it is)

[obsidian shard]

I will be! Hoping to get a new phone/camera so I can cover all the stuff at Quakecon! (And get pics with devs)

[solemn snow]

Ehh i'm not exactly sure but let me try and explain it in more detail, i've noticed that if you have a mace charge and the respective upgrade, upon parrying you gain a temporary second mace charge, but i've noticed you gain it after a short delay instead of as soon as you charge and i've been wondering for the longest time if it's something intended

It's like a decaying charge, it goes away if unused after about 5 seconds?

The melee charge icon below your reticle even turns yellow for the duration

[obsidian shard]

Ahh yes yes, It is indeed very short! Probably due to balance, for instance the Gauntlet 4th charge lasts like a whole minute+

2 Dreadmace swings can kill Almost every demon

[neon gust]

I never use the dreadmace tbh I think it's too slow

[solemn snow]

I agree, the current duration is on point in my opinion, however there's a slight delay after you parry to obtain the second charge and i'm wondering if it's intended?

[obsidian shard]

The Gauntlets have the same issue, so could be intended or an accidental bug

[solemn snow]

Oh i wasn't aware the gauntlets also suffered from it, maybe it is accidental

It has led me into some frustration moments where i'm trying to sync the swing animation with the "delay" of the riposte charge and it's easy to miss the timing

So then you lose the charge and have to either get a melee pick up or you have to parry enough times for it to charge, and personally i like to abuse the riposte as it sort of circumvents the downtime in a way

[solid nacelle]

I think it's worth using if you know how to properly take advantage of the double swing upgrade

[fleet spruce]

devastating melee

[neon gust]

Oh no I get that don't worry but I like to stick to the flail because it does exactly what I need it to do

Rarely do I ever want to rely on a "nuke demon in front of me" option that isn't the BFC

one may argue the BFC is overkill but at least it comes out fast

[solid nacelle]

Fair enough

[frank cipher]

Hello guys

I am getting 58 fps on doom dark ages 😭what should I do everything is on low

[harsh egret]

60 fps aint that bad

[heady trout]

once i get the dreadmace I max upgrade it as soon as possible and never touch the fists again, even though they aren't bad

[obsidian shard]

Chad Flail User:

[neon gust]

I like to use the flail in order to nuke enemy armor and still have uses after

which is why the dreadmace is cool but given the quantity of armored enemies in the late game I just use the flail

[solemn snow]

Combat shotgun + flail + ground fissures are one of my favourites too

[neon gust]

I like to use the electrifying rune a lot because firepower usually isn't a problem

but if I can prevent other demons from attacking me while I focus on a superheavy I'm all for it

[green estuary]

That’s because when you parry, enemies actually drop melee ammo
And the ammo takes a split second to bounce towards the player

But yes, the extra charge is meant to decay for the mace
Otherwise it’d be super busted

[solemn snow]

Oh i never noticed a melee charge drop after parrying, interesting

[green estuary]

If you put the gameplay in super slow mo I think you might be able to even see the drop

[ashen bobcat]

excuse me?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562204556080185346/1483524775115751514/DOOM_The_Dark_Ages_Screenshot_2026.03.17_-_23.27.10.46.png?ex=69bae79c&is=69b9961c&hm=1993883f1893d0e1739661ae5f79f138dc8e16dbe04b1163a1a476ab6c6fdec7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=967&height=544

is my game bugged

[solar spoke]

No, that's just the reverse psychology difficulty. It's an Id social experiment

I think it's just a menu bug in all seriousness though

[slender night]

Sorta unrelated but "Aspiring Slayer" pains me

I worry the new Wolfenstein will follow and replace "Can I play, daddy?" with some shit like "Newbie Killer"

[solar spoke]

I get it, I prefer "I'm too young to die" too

Maybe that's what the DLC's called

[slender night]

It's an RPG level term not a difficulty name 😭

[heady trout]

gotta make sure to not offend game journalists

but tbf consider how toxic and elitists the community can be at times, its nice that there's a reminder that being bad at the game isn't the worst thing ever

[slender night]

It was a cheeky jab

[obsidian shard]

That was the point

[slender night]

Gotta have paper-thin skin to get upset over this

[obsidian shard]

Also the community in general is very toxic and Elitist to new players a lot (and new musicians)

[heady trout]

don't even get me started on the whole "oh your just not playing the game right" in response to criticism for TDA or Eternal, like that's a problem

[slender night]

Well the community sucks in general lol don't engage with it

[heady trout]

basically

[slender night]

People still mad at Dean over his review are the same people that get stuck at the Marauder, just saying

[obsidian shard]

Andrew and David got hate when TAG launched, now people want em back like bruh

[heady trout]

nobody's getting upset at "I'm too young to die", it's just a small change to set a precedent that your not human scum in a videogame if your bad at it or new

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[frosty ether]

I have a code for the game and I don't know what it does. It is the code of the xbox controller

[slender night]

Gives you a skin

[heady trout]

it's really annoying to critique any modern Doom game or ask for advice and be told off by the elities

[obsidian shard]

Hi Polech

[heady trout]

like dayum maybe people don't fw the gameplay it isn't just cause they are bad

[slender night]

Yeah I know how bad the community is but I feel like this wasn't all that necessary

[frosty ether]

You want the code

[heady trout]

probably wasn't necessary but it's not a bad thing really

[frosty ether]

Ils free

[slender night]

I mean yeah I won't dock the game points for it but I always look at it weird

[alpine pilot]

out of all modern doom music artists, I like Finishing Move's ost the most

[heady trout]

Eternal's ost still my favorite but TDAs is nothing to scoff at

[alpine pilot]

appreciate those that came before them, but don't hate them just because it's not Mick

[heady trout]

doom fanbase is filled with cavemen unfortunately

[slender night]

game unoptimized... idiot... defend in comment... fanboy... how the boot taste boy...

[elder raven]

Gone. Stolen by Jay.

[heady trout]

greedy ass

[obsidian shard]

I just wish Tag got a OST

[green estuary]

it was that video’s comment section that made me stop watching his stuff
Don’t even know how old the guy is but he acts like a petulant child

[obsidian shard]

He's not very involved or well liked in the community for a reason

[slender night]

Imagine being not liked by the DOOM community of all things

[hazy pasture]

Murican got an achievement fs

[obsidian shard]

Preach

[unkempt dragon]

He's not worth mentioning or discussing

[ashen bobcat]

I think I'm Too Young To Die is a bad ass name for a difficulty tbh

[slender night]

I'd argue it's more empowering than Aspiring Slayer

[ashen bobcat]

It sort of implies that you have got a lot of killing to do before you go

[slender night]

Because Aspiring Slayer makes you sound like a newbie learning the ropes while ITYTD makes you sound like you're determined to stay alive

[fading bone]

you still got the code?

[craggy eagle]

I wish that doom the dark ages was on ps4

[slender night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/838088398157381682/1038872201568456704/DOSBox_0.72_Cpu_Cycles__max_Frameskip_0_Program__DOOM_2022-11-06_18-44-10_Trim.mp4?ex=69bae522&is=69b993a2&hm=04911ca4b0d51cc846e41d97510e24d82530aac201a685ea5555368f8302a115&

This is what it would look like

[potent parcel]

...now I want someone to make OPL-midi versions of the Finishing Move tracks 🙂

[frail bloom]

So how abt that denuvo thing

Does it work, not work

I looked at some vid and it looks like it doesn't change much

[frail bloom]

Been saying this

[warm ibex]

they need to bring the doom 64 difficulty names back

aside from "Be Gentle!"

"Bring It On!" is aight but "I Own Doom!" and "Watch Me Die!" sound cool as hell

[slender night]

My heart is with the core five

Well, four, rip HNTR bozo

[warm ibex]

some day Hey, Not Too Rough will return...

actually kinda figured TDA of all games would bring it back

since the sliders allow for that extra level of difficulty customization

[slender night]

Instead we got Extra Life Mode again instead of just making it a toggle 🥀

Pandemonium sounds cool but it's janky, clunks up the difficulty select, not a fan

[warm ibex]

I'm glad extra life is a separate mode

makes it special, means more than just another toggle option

[green estuary]

pandaemonium is sick
much more punishing than extra life mode in eternal and a much better prep for UN

[slender night]

Does anyone even play it though

[warm ibex]

to get the reward probably

[green estuary]

I played it a couple times

might do it again with the unbalanced randomizer

[slender night]

Idk me personally I think it's a cool addition but could have been a toggle in the difficulty selection. I think anyone playing pandemonium does it just for the skin or to practice for UN so a toggle wouldn't shatter its playerbase

[warm ibex]

honestly I would've loved to see Pandemonium+ added alongside the introduction of the sigil slider

Pandemonium with one life capacity

[slender night]

It's a bit funny seeing DOOM go full circle from removing extra lives to adding them in, don't you think

[warm ibex]

that is rather comical

[slender night]

https://tenor.com/view/you-couldn’t-live-thanos-endgame-back-to-me-you-could-not-live-gif-16221515858415007908

[green estuary]

to me tda felt very much like a game where no extra lives would fit perfectly

but they were obviously very popular from eternal, so the decision to leave them in was understandable

[warm ibex]

I get why they have them. Keeps you in the flow if you make a mistake while learning

I wish TDA had a toggle for the "would you like to use an extra life" screen. I'd rather have that on automatically

[slender night]

I like the fact it prompts you that

In Eternal I'd often lose extra lives to a very avoidable stupid thing

But that'd be unbalanced af in Eternal

[warm ibex]

Eternal also gives you a trillion of them so the lack of a prompt makes sense

if you use one on a silly mistake it's all good, you'll collect a baker's dozen before the next arena lol

[slender night]

Man the NuDOOM trilogy must be weird af to go through for a new fan

You have these two grim games with a super arcadey title sandwiched between them

[green estuary]

no memes
memes
no memes

[grim cloud]

so what is giong on with modding doom 2016? i heard something might be coming

[slender night]

SnapMap Wiki got moved to a new domain

[warm ibex]

I hope it's a trend they continue

[slender night]

Honestly yeah I prefer grim DOOM but Eternal was fun af and the arcadey lighthearted vibe made it stand out

[warm ibex]

I like the art direction of 2016 and Dark Ages more but I definitely want to see a more colorful, sort of high fantasy take on the Argent D'Nur seen in TDA

[slender night]

I just hope they like... don't kill the story like Eternal did...

[slender night]

Heretic was colorful af I'd love something in that style

[warm ibex]

Hugo's comments during TDA pre-launch interviews and dev streams make it seem like they've learned their lesson. If they want to tell more of a legitimate story they can't do so through half measures and aura farming

[slender night]

No more half measures you say?

[warm ibex]

only 3/4 measures going forward

[grim cloud]

i prefer the enviromental story telling of 2016 much more.

[warm ibex]

Hugo did recently mention that the TDA dlc will have a bit more of a focus on environmental storytelling

which is awesome

[grim cloud]

the hype around lore and story was the biggest debate leading up to eternal being released.

and I still want a 2016 camp dlc for the story between those games. someday perhaps

if Doom 3 BFG edition can get a official bonus campaign 10 years after it released ... then so can 2016

[green estuary]

if only

[slender night]

When did it get one?

[grim cloud]

the Lost Mission was a 8 level doom 3 campaign, released 10 years or so after doom 3 came out

[green estuary]

ye, but technically it released alongside the bfg edition

but yeah, 8ish years after doom 3

[slender night]

Ehh D3 was a lot more remasterable then 2016 is

[green estuary]

(so you're saying the game's mid )

[grim cloud]

jsut saying ... other id shooters have been getting bonus campaigns over the years, the quake games, Doom1/2. there is a chance

[slender night]

The opposite, I'm saying 2016 aged well

[green estuary]

I'm referring to doom 3 lol

[slender night]

Ah well no, there was the flashlight debate and widescreen being introduced

2016 has no reason to remaster it. Perfect game even today

[grim cloud]

yah no remaster really needed yet. but id still remove places where you crouch, pit fall insta death, balance out the damn shield guy and super shotgun i win button

[slender night]

Instant death was more grounded, I liked it
But anyway this is TDA chat

[half plaza]

Meanwhile TDA: half measures and aura farming

[half plaza]

I really hope the DLC tells the story better

[warm ibex]

I'd honestly firmly disagree

[half plaza]

I'll say it's not Eternal level

But it's not all that it could be

[warm ibex]

for a Doom story TDA is miles from a half measure. It's certainly not a modern Sony game, but it does tell more of a complete dedicated story

[half plaza]

I suppose. My problems come from the fact that it felt really shallow

[warm ibex]

and I unfortunately think that's almost as far as they can go

I'd be genuinely shocked if they could get away with any more story

without a larger portion of the audience complaining about it

[half plaza]

The thing about Eternal is that it made like little sense without the codex but if you read it, it feels like there are real motivations and events that have meaning

[half plaza]

I think people would complain less if the story felt meaningful

We should have stories that don't just exist to keep the Slayer from killing demons at his own discretion

[warm ibex]

could you elaborate on that?

[half plaza]

The whole thing with the Maykrs controlling the Slayer was very underutilized

Like, i wanted to see the conflict between the Sentinels and the Maykrs

Gimme a sec

[green estuary]

why would there be conflict between the sentinels and the maykrs in TDA times? even in eternal, the remaining sentinels still worshipped the maykrs as gods

[warm ibex]

At this point the conflict between them is only beginning to grow

[half plaza]

"give us the slayer we are dying"
"..."
"We are loosing hundreds of us please"
"..."

[green estuary]

what exactly would you have come out of those interactions, other than dissatisfaction with the kreed, who is tasked with controlling the slayer?

it's made abundantly clear that novik doesn't have much patience with the guy

[half plaza]

Not my story to write

I'm just asking for more character depth

Or, like, the Slayer speaking once and never again because the plot demanded that King Novik not get blown to smithereens in the cannon blast

[warm ibex]

I honestly don't think that's valid

[half plaza]

I was thinking, "oh he spoke to save Novik, he'll probably say something else later!"

Nothing, no follow up

[green estuary]

I mean would you rather doomguy blow up novik because he wants to kill ahzrak that badly?
not exactly a time for him to shut his mouth

he spoke when necessary, that's it

[half plaza]

No the problem is not that he saved Novik it's that it's never followed up on

If he's still talking in this time period then maybe there should have been another necessary moment

[warm ibex]

the situation demanded that Novik run away, which he could've done on his own. The point of the Slayer talking was (at least imo) to emphasize that he is taking Novik's life into consideration even after Novik agreed to keep the Slayer in captivity

[half plaza]

!

You can't just have these one-off moments without ever following up on them

[warm ibex]

I mean you can

[half plaza]

You can but it feels lame and like nothing ever goes anywhere

Which i guess is par for the course for Doom stories

[green estuary]

sure, it went somewhere, it just wasn't explicitly laid out via expositional dialogue

it's pretty clear that novik begins to think of doomguy as less of a weapon to be used and more of a person as the story progresses

[half plaza]

That's cool and all but why does the Slayer only get to have a personality when the story demands it

[warm ibex]

But it does go somewhere. He talks to emphasize that he's taking Sentinel life into consideration without being forced to, which is followed up on. He agrees to help Thira with the forge, tries to save her from being taken to the cosmic realm, and even goes on a solo mission into the cosmic realm to save her and the Kreed

[green estuary]

when does he not have a personality that particularly sticks out to you

[half plaza]

When Serrat dies

He gets mad but that's it

He doesn't mourn

[green estuary]

I mean
what else would you expect

the guy's had this happen before

[half plaza]

And it should feel bad for him

Make him interesting ffs

The best moment of personality is when he gently handles Thira's hand

[harsh egret]

i think doomguy is pretty interesting 👍

[warm ibex]

I think YOU'RE pretty interesting 👍

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/point-gif-2450101530054484962

the slayer is interesting because of the mystery around him, what you're asking for just makes it alot worse imo

[green estuary]

this would just annoy me more than anything, because through all of the games, doomguy's always been a guy to take action immediately
samuel tells him to just disable the argent filters, he takes one look at them and says hell no, I'm gonna smash them to bits because they're using hell energy
the father directs him to the luminarium to retrieve his life sphere, he decides to screw that noise and resurrect the dark lord so that he can kill the demons' power at their source
ahzrak kills serrat, he doesn't waste time grieving, he kicks ahzrak's ass and rips out the heart from his chest, and immediately follows him to hell so that he can finish the job and not let him escape

as inconsistent as the lore is, the slayer himself is nothing if not consistent

and as far as emotions and vulnerability go, TDA already took that far beyond what either of the other 2 games did

[unkempt dragon]

Mono level paragraph lulz

[harsh egret]

lol

[unkempt dragon]

Also hello everyone

[green estuary]

nah I'd need to bump up my word count by a factor of 4 at least lmao

wsg LM

[unkempt dragon]

Chillin. Wisdom teeth are out and I'm loving life

[green estuary]

I'm assuming you're past the phase where you can't eat solid food

because that part is the opposite of chillin

[unkempt dragon]

yesterday took em out

[obsidian shard]

On top of, the Slayer is Holding his wound after the fight, then visits Serrat corpse, and Boom he's clinching his fists and standing straight like he never had a wound

[unkempt dragon]

Applesauce and spaghettios still and some ice cream

[green estuary]

rip

[unkempt dragon]

Anyway, continue lol

just wanted to say hi

[warm ibex]

I think we're finished lol

[obsidian shard]

YOU ARE

*rizz

[warm ibex]

bro used his Finishing Move

[harsh egret]

[obsidian shard]

I think I'm going to David Levy you, I'll call the move.....Hato

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/syfm-gif-981427805264738135

[split gate]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/man-stabbed-meme-tiktok-chinese-tiktok-sword-gif-14433234341036960723

[sour oar]

are there any latinas in here that play this game

[versed quarry]

<@&162901871168585728>

Feels weird

[unkempt dragon]

why

[green estuary]

game is game

[unkempt dragon]

It's fine

[elder raven]

are there any mancubi in here that play this game

[heady trout]

is there a glitch with the accelerator at max upgrade that doesnt let the charge go up? Cause I was shooting a Komodo for a while and no charge

okay so it worked fine with the vagary but not the komodo

[dusty hinge]

recently got this game and goddamn what

no glory kills? worse gore then eternal

Why would they removed the cinematic glory kills?

[harsh egret]

🤔

[green estuary]

because they're lame

[harsh egret]

anyway I see a new ripatorium preset just dropped

[dusty hinge]

thats what revolutionized the doom games

[heady trout]

ive never died to enhanced azhrak summoning a spike under me thats crazy

[heady trout]

not at all

[dusty hinge]

a big part of it yes

[green estuary]

no lol
what revolutionized the new doom games was the movement and the ability to regain resources from combat

[heady trout]

we had this discussion over a month ago I think

same shit different wipe

glory kills are not allthat

[dusty hinge]

They removed glory kills because they thought it would be too repetitive??

[harsh egret]

this has been discussed like 200 times and im tired of it

[heady trout]

same

[green estuary]

yeah just go on reddit and ask them or something lol

[harsh egret]

like if someone doesnt get it then they dont get it atp idc

[heady trout]

yeah reddit will be more interested in discussing dead topics/arguments

we've had this glory kill discussion one too many times and theres lowk burnout lol

[dusty hinge]

Sorry for asking doom related questions in a doom related server

[dusty hinge]

how would I know lol I just join this shi

[heady trout]

you can ask questions dummy, just know the reason we arent answering is because its a very common one and we are tired of it

[dusty hinge]

thanks for the permission bud

[heady trout]

there never was a question about permission, just a question about topic burnout which we just wanted to inform you is present for this topic

@green estuary how did you get randomizer on TDA running btw

[green estuary]

do you have kaibz mod installed?

[heady trout]

nope

[warm ibex]

this is good, I'll be stealing it

[green estuary]

that's how
it's on nexus mods

(for the steam version)

[heady trout]

i myself stole it, its a classic

[dusty hinge]

okay bud cheers

[harsh egret]

been playing with the randomizer and its pretty damn fun, on ancestral forge so far

[heady trout]

downloading the mod rn

[twilit stone]

the randomizer has been keeping me playing the game more than the ripatorium ngl

[heady trout]

randomizer is so good in any Doom game

@green estuary i installed it, what do I do next?

oh nvm theres a readme

[green estuary]

just open the game and hit F8 and it'll pop up the mod menu

[heady trout]

got it

lemme try it rn since i just installed it

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/ninaj-gif-7960624420389513014

[warm ibex]

From what we know, glory kills were primarily removed for two reasons: positioning and repetitiveness.

Your position (as in your exact location and the direction you're facing) changes to some degree when exiting a glory kill, which can have a surprisingly large impact on the moment-to-moment gameplay. This issue was mostly trivial in the previous two entries but supposedly had a much larger impact on TDA due to how much your positioning matters during battle.

TDA puts a significantly heavier focus on melee attacks and as a result includes a much higher amount of glory killing. During pre-release testing it was deemed that the sheer frequency of glory kills made them extremely repetitive and disrupted the flow of combat to some extent.

And that's why we have a more fluid unsynced glory strike system with optional traditional jump glory kills instead of an entirely synced system like in the previous games

[dusty hinge]

Thank you

[humble furnace]

Removing the glory kill system also made way for quicker gameplay and more in-depth melee combat than "press button funny animation." You sort of make your own glory kills at this point. Laying the beat down on enemies, waiting for that third strike stun, dodging as you melee or blocking and parrying any other enemy attacks. It's a lot more entertaining gameplay wise, as much as I love glory kills.

[dusty hinge]

I apologise if the topic gets thrown around alot, I have no knowledge of that as I am new to the server. Ty for the no bs response 👍

[humble furnace]

No problem. A lot of people get turned away by it cause they think that's the only cool thing about the modern DOOM titles. It sucks. :(. Thanks for having an open mind!

[dusty hinge]

Never thought glory kills were tedious, glory kills aside other then the story (so far) Im having nil issues with the game

[heady trout]

we had nothing against you for bringing that up, we just didnt wanna talk abt it lol

[harsh egret]

going back to eternal with the glory kills is pain for me

[heady trout]

thanks Hato for still having the energy to explain such things

[harsh egret]

me?

[dusty hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/jfc-omg-no-smoking-cigarette-smoke-head-shake-gif-18161146778440886047

[harsh egret]

i think u mean Horde

[warm ibex]

we might as well share an account atp

[harsh egret]

real

[green estuary]

HatoModeGaming

[fading bone]

we need a command in here with an answer for why no glory kills

[harsh egret]

ye like twitch chat commands

[green estuary]

“because papa Hugo said so”

[harsh egret]

!glorykills

[warm ibex]

I don't think it gets asked that much lol

[harsh egret]

tbh would be cool idea tho

[warm ibex]

now "any news on the dlc?" on the other hand...

[elder raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256712479510233133/1476768431373291752/speed.gif

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-goodbye-chat-chat-chinese-shoe-gif-6237185049849003155

[heady trout]

okay im modifying the randomizer so its only my favourite demons and not demons I consider to be too easy (outside of fodder i dont mind having them there)

battle knights will be everywhere...

[harsh egret]

do lost souls everywhere

[green estuary]

yeah I reduced the frequency of hell knights in favor of more battle knights

also increased the chances of acolytes, revs, whiplashes

and reduced the cyberdemon chance so I’d see more of the other superheavies

The siege 1 leader encounters spawning a Komodo instead of a cyberdemon is kinda funny

[heady trout]

i completely removed acolytes

boring hide and seek

same for arachnotrons

i did leave chaingunners doe

i removed both imp stalkers bc of how easy they were, same for hell knights and normal pinky riders and subsequently increased the chances of other demons

also normal mancubuses

[green estuary]

straight up removing stuff takes away from the enemy variety
Better to just decrease the chance of them appearing and increase other demons’

especially regular mancs since they’ve got a completely different attack than an armored manc

[heady trout]

one thing im noticing is that the super heavies are always the same from the original level with little exception

[heady trout]

maybe

[green estuary]

Try reducing the chance for cyberdemons to 80%

I got a baron on the indoor space in the holy city level, that was funny

[harsh egret]

i left everything at default personally, only thing that bothered me were the acolytes in a couple places but other than that its been pretty good

[green estuary]

But vagaries will always spawn same as vanilla

[heady trout]

okay did most of what you suggested, my most hated enemies just have a small chance of spawning (10%)

[green estuary]

Since they’re way larger than super heavies and are classified as behemoths

[heady trout]

huh i didnt know that

im playing on new game plus too btw

[green estuary]

Ahhh you gotta play from a fresh save

The raw number of heavy demons at the beginning is quite low, so even the unbalanced randomizer won’t be very difficult

[heady trout]

i usually just replay later levels

[green estuary]

Ye that works too

[heady trout]

i just wish this game and eternal had a new game plus mode that just, made arenas adjusted to max power slayer so it would be easier to replay any level

[green estuary]

At least eternal has a NG+ randomizer mod

Although I’m hoping Hugo and co do end up coming out with a master campaign for TDA

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

[heady trout]

okay belly of the beast with this randomizer is fire

the stupid acid arena is way less stressfull without the stupid armored arachnotrons

how it feels to play the game without the parts of it you dislike

belly of the beast with ng+ randomizer was fire, but I do wish I saw more aggadon hunters, maybe ill change the chances

[obsidian shard]

Am i going insane or did they buff the Flail???

Cauze its one shoting Fodder on 50% Damage now (Indirect hits too)

And Staggering demons every hit

[twilit stone]

As it should, it's a giant fucking metal spikeball on a chain

[green estuary]

Try hitting an imp

A fodder imp

(Also the splash damage is 95% of the thing’s damage, so it should be able to take out groups of fodder anyways)

[obsidian shard]

For Ripatorium fans!
Ahzrak's Abyss should be fixed! (Please let me know if their are ANY other super Heavy demons aside from Komodo and Cyberdemons)

I will be fixing Argageddon tomorrow

[obsidian shard]

I was going crazy

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-behavior-be-like-gif-10607292567092564523