the-dark-ages

[warm ibex]

I've been waiting on a good sale but they never discount it below like 15%

[solar cairn]

Composers of the game when they found out that the dlc is the size of a full-fledged sequel and you need to write 20 new tracks:

[harsh egret]

id rather wait for that than replay it same year

i usually dont replay most of the games i play after i feel done for a little while

[green estuary]

well I come from the perspective from somebody who's lowk addicted to the game

[harsh egret]

yeah i just feel like at this point, for me, i should just wait that little while longer

[errant osprey]

Based on what Hugo said tonight, my guess for the DLC release has changed to June and July.

[warm ibex]

my estimate has changed to june or july

[harsh egret]

i think june latest

[green estuary]

hugo heal ffs

[wintry forge]

Yeah I’m gonna say July

[green estuary]

you've got like 15 HP left lmao

[wintry forge]

July latest

[harsh egret]

god man if it releases in july...

[solar cairn]

Will they have time to make and test so much content in a year?

[harsh egret]

im literally doomed

[wintry forge]

I mean if it’s good, it’s good. I’ll wait if it means waiting for peak

[obsidian shard]

tbf, Dark Ages was 2.5 Years to compose on top of 3 other projects they were working on
and 7 of the 25 music tracks are for bosses (Not counting ambiance)

[obsidian shard]

They already are

[solar spoke]

Perfect for me, I'll be done with my dissertation if they release it then

[wintry forge]

Just think about it guys… the dlc isn’t done, but the OST probably is… it’s just sitting there at id Software… waiting to be listened to….

[warm ibex]

you know it will man. any time you don't want something to release, you can almost guarantee it will lol

[harsh egret]

lowkey i feel like if it were to release in july, they'd wait for quakecon to release it. just me?

[warm ibex]

just you coping

[green estuary]

wait until hugo figures out there's an essentialitem right next to that miniboss lol

[mystic barn]

Brother, don't even tease me because I'll do something brash to listen to new music

[harsh egret]

probably

[wintry forge]

We’ll raid id Software to find the ost during QuakeCon if it’s not out by then

[harsh egret]

gonna be peak playing the dlc on a shitty gaming laptop

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-black-guy-homeless-guy-gif-12306843104510607338

WE WILL BE THERE

[solar spoke]

time to release that soundtrack to the people

https://tenor.com/view/knock-doorknob-door-robot-enter-gif-5172203

[wintry forge]

All we need is an ost tease, like with David and Andrew pre-TAG1

[errant osprey]

My idea is still the same as before, but with this difference: The DLC will be released in June, and maybe the Master Campaign in August and Quakecon. Of course, all of this is speculation.

[wintry forge]

On another note, Witchfire looks incredible. I’d boot this one up and give it a try next if it weren’t for Requiem coming tomorrow

[solar cairn]

I’ve already forgotten about master levels, hype around dlc

[obsidian shard]

today

[wintry forge]

Midnight

[obsidian shard]

Oh well timezones

[unkempt dragon]

I tried Witchfire when it came out and it wasn't for me tbh

[obsidian shard]

my b my b

[wintry forge]

It had quite a few updates apparently, might be worth another shot!

[harsh egret]

or wait for 1.0 like me

Katsu gonna shoot me

[green estuary]

yeah it's gotten its 8th major update a couple months back

[unkempt dragon]

Yeah I tried it when it JIST came out. Like had JUST been released and it was fucking terrible

[green estuary]

yeah you should for sure give it another shot

[unkempt dragon]

Like unplayable

[green estuary]

0.1 witchfire was absolutely brutal

[harsh egret]

oh yeah ive been loving what ive seen from the game the past few months

[unkempt dragon]

I would try again

[harsh egret]

im very hyped for 1.0 this year

[green estuary]

like unfair levels of brutal

[wintry forge]

That’s totally fair. Glad it has the polishing and dev support that it does

[harsh egret]

and the dev team is crazy small too

[solar spoke]

had a thought, imagine a DOOM game with the nemesis system

[harsh egret]

truly impressive stuff

[errant osprey]

I'm still waiting for the DLC but I want more content
I wish we had some master levels before the DLC but if the master campaign rumor is true it will happen after the DLC
So for now we won't have any more content except for the Riptarium.
I'm running out of patience myself

[wintry forge]

Small team full of people who care. 10 people who worked on a game this size is crazy

[errant osprey]

I thought about this a while back.
This could be really crazy but it wouldn't work
But it could be really cool, especially in the fight against the Marauder

[green estuary]

if the server had a GC I would stream some wf later

somebody tell hugo that his charged melee attack restores all his stamina

[harsh egret]

thats right, dlc trailer next week

[unkempt dragon]

don't even bring that up

[tribal hamlet]

Did Hugo say this?

[green estuary]

no lol

[harsh egret]

he did say that yes.

[mystic barn]

As a joke

[harsh egret]

noooo

[tribal hamlet]

Crap ok thanks
I am very gullible

[harsh egret]

[mystic barn]

:3

[green estuary]

hugo dying because he didn't heal when he had 3 elixirs

[solar spoke]

The character Hugo chose looks like Puritan Skeletor lol

[green estuary]

that's what all the characters look like

there aren't any cosmetic differences between classes, at least not right now

[solar spoke]

fair enough, still looks cool regardless

[green estuary]

RUN HUGO

yesssss

[solar spoke]

Revenge for Hugo

[green estuary]

dammit josh he was gonna keep playing

[harsh egret]

lmfao

hugo man

[solar spoke]

damn, TES6 and DLC? Lol

DOOM is the Bible confirmed

[mystic barn]

Bible theory validated

[green estuary]

my browser crashed right as he was about to say something

yk what I'm gonna go and start another profile in WF

[warm ibex]

Slayers Club Live Ch. 22 Stream Notes:

DLC skill ceiling is super high.

Quickswapping tech in the DLC, but you have to earn it. It’s done in a way that you aren’t anticipating.

Mastering one of the tools requires a lot of investment, but unlocking its potential transforms the game into something else.

Can combine/use that tool with other tools, feels great.

Darin De Paul (voice of Hayden/Kreed) returns in the DLC.

New loop to master in the DLC.

Teaser trailer is a “little ways out there” according to Hugo.

The DLC is MASSIVE. It’s BIG. “It’s basically like a sequel” according to Hugo, the expansion is HUGE.

The story is more of an experience than something you just watch, and there’s more environmental storytelling.

“You could maybe dash evade and stab with something” This fuckin guy lmao.

The DLC is nothing like the standard combat loop, although you can play it like the normal loop. It’s such a step up.

Lore/codex entries won't necessarily be longer, but will be more worthwhile to collect and read.

[harsh egret]

nerd

[solar spoke]

best stream yet

[mystic barn]

Could just start a private GC with all the gang so you can

[green estuary]

hmmmm

[harsh egret]

[warm ibex]

@obsidian shard (in case you missed any of that)

[green estuary]

anyone up for that

[obsidian shard]

yup being added to the Google doc as we speak

[warm ibex]

awesome

[harsh egret]

well the other one has 10 max soooo i see no reason to

we need more in there

make a server atp

[warm ibex]

was gonna suggest that lol

[green estuary]

well I'll go ahead then

[harsh egret]

hell ye

[warm ibex]

actually I have a server that I canned

already set up, can send you guys the link

[obsidian shard]

bet

[warm ibex]

the new server 👀

[obsidian shard]

yes

[spiral crow]

Dude i was away for most of the stream, what did i miss?

Was too busy playing Resident Evil Requiem XD

[harsh egret]

#the-dark-ages message

pretty big stuff this week for sure

[harsh egret]

btw im yoinking the "Mastering one of the tools requires a lot of investment, but unlocking its potential transforms the game into something else." if u dont mind sir, forgot to write it down

[spiral crow]

Wow that is alot of new info

[harsh egret]

bro was spamming teasers in the beginning i couldnt keep up

[warm ibex]

go for it bro

I actually went back and rewatched the teaser spam once they started talking about other stuff lol

[modern badger]

We're getting our own Shadow of the Erdtree

[spiral crow]

I'll have to rewatch the stream when i get the chance, i was just extremely immersed in resident evil requiem that i forgot the time lol

[errant osprey]

I can't wait any longer.😭

[spiral crow]

When do you guys expect that teaser to be out?

[tribal hamlet]

Hugo joked heavily about it being out next week, other than that we don't know

[crude sparrow]

Hoooly

So they're literally changing the entire combat loop

Or maybe not "changing". Maybe evolving is a better word

[frosty roost]

i'm serious though, why is quickswapping back though?? hate that mechanic enough as it is (I don't wanna sound like a sour potato but...)

[crude sparrow]

I swap weapons all the time in tda too, that's just how I play lol

But it says it's not gonna be just a straight forward increase to weapon swap speed

[frosty roost]

I normally stick to one weapon honestly

[crude sparrow]

I assume it's either gonna require some insane tech to pull off and they're just leaving that in as a treat or like a super endgame upgrade or something

[thin hound]

Weapon swapping is obviously optional, so increase weapon swap speed can only be a good thing

[warm ibex]

not quickswapping

[dark thunder]

Need it now

[frosty roost]

wait no?

[warm ibex]

quickswapping tech. that has to be earned. just like how hugo's previously teased dash seems to be a special spear ability, not a general ability like Eternal

[frosty roost]

ohhhh that makes sense

[warm ibex]

yea for sure man

[frosty roost]

okay thanks for explaining, I didn't wanna sound mean or sour or anything like that

[split gate]

“Skill ceiling is super high.” That’s all I need to know, fun zone strong return 😭✌️

[split gate]

Doom TDA: Shadow of the High Council

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-celebrate-celebration-gif-7381175

CALLED IT

[thin hound]

DOOM The Dark Ages: Shadows Lengthened

[elder raven]

i am now confident to say that the dlc may be like very very soon

like real soon

[thin hound]

I don’t know, they said it’s really big and made it sound like it won’t be in the next two weeks

[obsidian shard]

Its not what we think it is

[solar spoke]

It's big...

by Imp standards

[warm ibex]

but hugo said the teaser trailer is still a little ways out there 🤔

and if the trailer is a bit out ther, I'd imagine the dlc isn't necessarily right around the corner

[solid nacelle]

Basically the dlc is definitely not coming out in march

[harsh egret]

they make it sound so big that atp i wouldnt be surprised if it launches next year bruh

[errant osprey]

Hugo's talk on the live tonight about the size of the DLC indicates that the DLC won't be released for at least 3 months
But on the other hand, the fact that Hugo is revealing so much information about the DLC and that he has spent a relatively good amount of time experiencing the DLC, plus the fact that Riptarium 3.0 is supposed to be released with the DLC and there has been no news of an update for about 3 months, indicates that the DLC will be released relatively soon, less than 3 months.
I'm honestly confused myself.

[frail bloom]

First this guy Hugo says it's moderately sized now he's calling it a sequel

Hugo's joshing with us

[frail bloom]

Gadamn we gonna have to push the May theory out the window

I'm going with July

[errant osprey]

Let me also say this
In addition to all this, Hugo has given us a lot of nuggets (especially tonight)
He has said almost a lot of things.
So maybe it's finally time for him to give us some visual nuggets too.

[solar spoke]

More concept art?

[frail bloom]

Bro.

He just literally described the spear

Rip Josh

Dash and evade???

Thrust????

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-kermit-the-frog-meme-worried-kermit-sad-kermit-gif-2908512056935738589

[errant osprey]

Exactly
Maybe concept art of a specific location or even Archville. Or even a short teaser
We have some general information, I think we can have visual information

[frail bloom]

You're right it's too early

[harsh egret]

samir tell id software to not do that

[frail bloom]

August.

Ok well what do we think now

First he says it's a moderately sized dlc expansion, now he's puffing it up as a sequel. Ik he doesn't actually mean that but like what's with the change in description

Scope creep?

[harsh egret]

nah i doubt it

[frail bloom]

I'm just confused

[stone pasture]

What was the things revealed, I got caught up in my birthday

[frail bloom]

Happy birthday bc it's a lot

[harsh egret]

i mean wasnt it mainly about the story not being that big

[frail bloom]

Not sure

[stone pasture]

Any hints

[frail bloom]

#the-dark-ages message

Have fun

[stone pasture]

I'm on carnival mardi gras

[frail bloom]

Ohh sweet

Where's that

[stone pasture]

It's a cruise

On of carnival's biggest

[frail bloom]

Hmm are you liking it so far

[stone pasture]

Yeah

[frail bloom]

I remember my cruise being a glorified moving restaurant

[stone pasture]

Cruises mean free food

[frail bloom]

Ye basically

[stone pasture]

There is pools, a sauna, kids club, arcade,

[frail bloom]

Casinos too?

Anyways gn

[tough pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doomguy-doom-guy-doomslayer-gif-16568152361975227628

[hazy pasture]

Happy Birthday mate

@unkempt dragon it's out holy moly

[unkempt dragon]

loading as we speak

[hazy pasture]

Omw to fucking boot it up

[unkempt dragon]

msg me in general

[hazy pasture]

Aight aight

[frosty roost]

Just woke up, fucking stoked!!

[unkempt dragon]

YESSSSSS

hang with us in general

[frosty roost]

I gotchu!

[vapid lodge]

what was the word of today in Hugo's stream?

the clue for the DLC

[obsidian shard]

DLC skill ceiling is super high.

Quickswapping tech in the DLC, but you have to earn it. It’s done in a way that you aren’t anticipating.

Mastering one of the tools requires a lot of investment, but unlocking its potential transforms the game into something else.

Can combine/use that tool with other tools, feels great.

Darin De Paul (voice of Hayden/Kreed) returns in the DLC.

New loop to master in the DLC.

Teaser trailer is a “little ways out there” according to Hugo.

The DLC is MASSIVE. It’s BIG. “It’s basically like a sequel” according to Hugo, the expansion is HUGE.

The story is more of an experience than something you just watch, and there’s more environmental storytelling.

“You could maybe dash evade and stab with something” This fuckin guy lmao.

The DLC is nothing like the standard combat loop, although you can play it like the normal loop. It’s such a step up.

Lore/codex entries won't necessarily be longer, but will be more worthwhile to collect and read.

-Taken From Horde's notes

[fading bone]

what is out what are we talking about

[vapid lodge]

jesus, its like they're making a new game

why do I have the feeling like they're trying a new direction again

[obsidian shard]

Its Dark Ages, But if it was more

Plus some

[vapid lodge]

Yeah I'm stoked but I don't like the way this is going... i dont know why.

Don't get me wrong, I REALLY take pride in being a DOOM fan, literally dialed to 11

BUT, I dont get why the kept marketing the Stand and Fight thing when they are clearly changing the whole game now

Adding a spear, dash, qs and more mobility

Do they think they're gonna end up with more players than TDA had at launch? which was awful?

[kindred herald]

I feel like they might add the custom level creator like eternal if they havent already (im slow)

[obsidian shard]

For the Dash, it appears to be linked to the Spear and NOTHING Like what it is in Eternal

For the Quick Swapping also the same thing

Same for the Mobility

Appears to be mostly linked to the Spear

[vapid lodge]

Okay, well we can only speculate for now but still

its still more mobility which kinda contradicts the whole thing, so far this is my take

[fading bone]

why is more mobility bad

[obsidian shard]

Well Hugo did say the Quickswapping and Dash is "Not what we are expecting" Which would be Eternal

[obsidian shard]

I Think mobility will be good just depends on how they do, if its linked to the Spear then it def can be

[vapid lodge]

its not bad but I feel like they're trying to hit the same fun zone as Eternal

I have poor judgement and now Im just speculating

But I feel like mixing Stand and Fight with mobility and qs.... kinda goes against the whole game

again, im sure it will be awesome since its id software

I also am really disappointed in the reach that this game had in comparison with Eternal..

[obsidian shard]

wdym, Biggest DOOM game at Lauch and Currently has around 3mill sales

[vapid lodge]

no, it had 3M players

huge difference

most people had game pass, which means no direct sale

[obsidian shard]

ya 3mill players at Launch

3 mill sales as of 2026

[vapid lodge]

Doom Eternal generated over $450 million in revenue within its first nine months of release

Its really weak compared to Eternal

Trust me, I dont enjoy talking bad about the game

[obsidian shard]

Source is mainly from that it sold the the Most on playstation
then Steam then Xbox

And The steam winter fest placed it in top 25 best selling games of 2025, which means it sold 725k-1.2 mill units on steam

[vapid lodge]

I play it almost daily and there's nothing that would ever stop me from playing doom, but numbers are numbers

[obsidian shard]

Its also been deems a Success by Microsoft

[vapid lodge]

microsoft is shit

[obsidian shard]

(according to Zenimax Job listings)

[green estuary]

it is what it is
everyone's got stuff to do now other than just sit at home and play video games because of covid, plus the forced rt isn't as available to everyone since AI companies are killing the prices of graphics cards

[vapid lodge]

Look, I understand that, but tell that to Exp 33 or other best selling games in the last 2-3 years

[obsidian shard]

Expedition 33 was Half the Cost of Dark Ages, and Could run on wayyy less Hardware

[green estuary]

yeah, a turn-based strategy game without particularly demanding graphics and a low-ish price tag lol

[vapid lodge]

my point exactly

[obsidian shard]

Considering Dark Ages price and Hardware Demands, it did bloody good

[vapid lodge]

Im saying exp 33 in regards to your reply,

"everyone's got stuff to do now other than just sit at home and play video games"

Why not play DOOM instead of other games?

[obsidian shard]

Dark Ages was in the same best sellers catagory as Expedition 33 on Steam

15-25

[random sand]

I'd say it makes sense it's that big too. Might have some of the best graphics i've ever seen from a game

[green estuary]

it's the cumulative effect of a number of factors. did you read the second part of my statement?
you were comparing tda to eternal, and a major factor that caused eternal (a single player arena shooter, a notoriously unpopular genre) to sell crazy well, and I addressed that

[fading bone]

who cares how many people buy the game you like. just play it. its not like this is a multiplayer game that requires a big playerbase to work

[vapid lodge]

Why did they force RT? Thats really a bad thing.

I understand baked graphics were to slow down development. I listened to the devs interview and their whole reasoning why they did and the engine is great.

But they couldve done it without RT. I dont need to look at the lamps lightning when the move

[green estuary]

if you'd paid any attention to id over their entire history you'd know they push the boundaries of technology with every single generation of their engine

it's just not as palatable to you and others now because of the uptick in pc prices

[vapid lodge]

Trust me, I did and I really followed it, but it was not necessary, especially that people do not have the money to buy latest bs from Nvidia or AMD

[green estuary]

this same logic can be applied between any two consecutive generations of their games

[vapid lodge]

Eternal was able to run on lower specs PCs than what was officially mentioned for system requirements..

Dark Ages was the opposite

[green estuary]

what are you talking about lmao

[vapid lodge]

?

[green estuary]

people have run TDA with a gtx 1650

[random sand]

Who

[vapid lodge]

LOL

[vapid lodge]

GTX 1650 does NOT have RT

TDA is RT forced

[random sand]

Wdym by "forced"?

[green estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389644177762947115/1476821183696474193/image.png?ex=69a28468&is=69a132e8&hm=4ca545603cabfbf09b7b61230713acc343f4fb0ec15b8cc321f3e82e4849a02d

[vapid lodge]

RayTracing compatibility is a must have to run Dark Ages

[obsidian shard]

The reason for Raytracing is due to

• The Size of the Maps-4-10x bigger then eternal maps (THis is just walkable space btw)
• The maps all together (in just walkable space) is 5000 sq km (FUCKING HUGE)
• Saved 2-3 months of pre-baked lighting (Per Map)
• Raytracing was used in gameplay (Hit Detection-Sounds)
• Saved 40-110gb of space

[elder raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256712479510233133/1476768431373291752/speed.gif

[green estuary]

please don't speak on facts that you aren't sure of
the gtx 1650 has some ray tracing functionality since it was released on similar architecture to the 2000 series, hence why it is technically capable of running tda

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-hello-chat-here's-johnny-doom-slayer-doom-marine-gif-6132403173794421933

[vapid lodge]

I literally work in IT, you gotta be delusional, im sorry

[elder raven]

if this expansion is gonna be big, then i think we’re gonna get more than 8 levels. at minimum 8

[vapid lodge]

Okay man, look, if someone were to tell me the same things that I am saying rn to me, I would get triggered, but trust me, why arent other games that are open world RT forced?

[random sand]

Lies. Straight up lies i tell you. When i ran the game with my previous graphics card (rtx 2060) i barely got 40-50 fps on low settings. No way a gtx 1650 could accomplish the same

[vapid lodge]

Exactly

[random sand]

No it isn't?

[vapid lodge]

Bruh

[elder raven]

it is

[green estuary]

well you haven't dipped into handheld settings, nor have you messed around with ultra low cfg files

you can potato-ify this game to quite an extent, believe you me

[random sand]

I didn't have raytracing when i played the game with my old graphics card. I had that turned off

[elder raven]

im interested, i want to make this game look like the worst ps1 looking game ever

[elder raven]

literal how

[vapid lodge]

Ok, then ask all the normal players that are not inclined to do this on their "potato" pc man.

People wanna plug and play, not edit the game files

[green estuary]

is_poolSizeMin 64
is_poolSize 64
r_SSR 0
r_SSDO 1
r_shadowAtlasTileSize 128
r_shadowAtlasWidth 256
r_shadowAtlasHeight 256
r_raytracedReflectionsWater 0
r_waterReflections 0
r_raytracedReflectionsTemporalUpscaleQuality 0

//everything past is NoFog.cfg

//Raytracing_reduced

r_raytracedreflections 0
r_waterReflections 0
r_raytracedReflectionsWater 0
r_raytracedReflectionsTemporalUpscaleQuality 0

//Effects_removed

r_skipcinelensflares 1
r_skipflares 1
r_skipfog 1
r_hdrBloom 0
r_blurRadial 0
r_blurVignette 0
r_dof 0

[elder raven]

how does one play dark ages with no raytracing?

[green estuary]

you don't

[vapid lodge]

Its reduced

[random sand]

Iirc there's literally raytracing settings in the graphcial section

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1476822058347397120/map.PNG?ex=69a28538&is=69a133b8&hm=3719537dd1a52fb2e941f313bda75da17cf370cab3a3e2f6e289051089e390b8&

[elder raven]

lmao, where do i put this when i boot it up

[green estuary]

but as long as your card has some RT functionality, you can remove most of the RT elements (shadows, reflections, etc.) and still have the game run somewhat okay

[vapid lodge]

alright, I agree, still not a reason to force it RT

[elder raven]

technically 20 levels? cause eternal has 13 base, 3 tag, and 4 tag2

not relevant at all but lol

[obsidian shard]

Static opaque geometry via Path-Traced Lightmaps. Dynamics/transparencies used another solution
Multiple pre-processing steps lightmap lodding (e.g less resolution far, not visible from player walking areas = trim )
In house cloud “baking”: Up to 64 machines. 2-band SH – for directional lighting results reconstruction later.
Cheap / good enough. We tend to use in a lot of areas.
Switch ended up using ASTC + Kraken
Any changes? Re-bake required. E.g: lighting/geo/settings/etc..
Aggregate all tiles at end for final instances lightmap.
Re-bakes triggers 5 lighting changes.
Quality settings changes. ( e.g. SSAA final bakes quality ).
Geometry changes.
Walkable player area changes require adjusted loading

[green estuary]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1kmxtaz/doom_the_dark_ages_ultralow_cfg_file/

these instructions should cover everything

[elder raven]

thank you katsu. you will be rewarded with eternal life!

in urdak

[green estuary]

but back to my point, asking id to suddenly not innovate with their engine because of various reasons is just not it

[vapid lodge]

yeah I'm not arguing with that, completely agreed.

But this hurt their sales number and player count

[green estuary]

obviously, but I'm sure they knew that

[random sand]

They always innovate with their new titles. They innovate with everything. The game'd approach, gameplay, graphics, everything

[green estuary]

I'm honestly glad to at least see a studio sticking to their guns

[vapid lodge]

especially that a lot of fans perhaps do not have the latest shit to run the game.

Initially I had 3080 ti and i was running it on low.

Had to jump to 5070ti to get a lot of frames and high graphics

[green estuary]

id has always made games that push the limits of current technology yet still run excellently, and tda is no exception

[elder raven]

we’re very lucky with id because not many companies are doing weekly streams just playing their games

[random sand]

I would say the thing that "hurt" sales were the change of gameplay-style and i suppose the price

[vapid lodge]

also agreed with that, the way they're loading the shaders is off this planet, apart from other games like that shit star wars game or borderlands 4 where it was running REALLY BAD on a 5090

[green estuary]

I mean
my costco 4060 laptop can get an average of 60-65 fps on medium/high at 1080p

[vapid lodge]

same for RT and Mick

[green estuary]

with no stutters or frame drops
how much more am I gonna expect from a triple A game that looks this good

[vapid lodge]

yep, never stutters, they really are making incredible engines

[random sand]

I haven't heard this RT stuff until you brought it up. Mick tho i have heard alot of

[vapid lodge]

Probably cuz you have a great PC and never cared to check

[obsidian shard]

for me its the oppisite lol

[vapid lodge]

Hugo mentioned Mick today in the stream tho

[random sand]

When i first got the game, my pc was ass. It's upgraded now primarily so i can play this game without looking at a potato at low fps😭

[obsidian shard]

Andrew and Finishing Move (My Goats)

[random sand]

Bought a new graphics card and power supply last month

[elder raven]

dont forget david levy

[vapid lodge]

I feel bad for one of my friends because he is has the minimum required to run it, I shared my steam account so he could play it and it was running like 5 fps...

RX 6600 and 16gb of ram... capable nvme and CPU, but can't remember which...

[random sand]

Literally how. You haven't heard all the Mick fanboys who only actually know like 3 of his songs?

[obsidian shard]

Ohh shit I Didnt hear him bring up David

[vapid lodge]

Yeah, Immora just slaps

[elder raven]

to be honest jay i fell asleep before the stream and woke up when it was over so i have no idea if he mentioned david lol

[vapid lodge]

In fact, I haven't destroyed my NECK in a while on that track, brb

[obsidian shard]

Probaly due to how many Mick fans i had blocked prior to the Dark Ages release

[random sand]

Fair

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-9791600234365446047

[elder raven]

it wasnt my fault i was really tired + long day

[vapid lodge]

I really wonder what the hell happened there, I mean like really in house truth... wtf was in their mind to mess it up like this... Mick was really a Staple to DOOM

[random sand]

I sadly have never watched the streams because they happen late at night for me😭

I just wait for the dlc news that jay or hato eventually drop

[elder raven]

stay up ALL night.

[vapid lodge]

I hope we will get to know the truth in a few years like the thing with Dr Disrespect

[random sand]

Idk about that one chief

[elder raven]

ALL of it

[random sand]

Doubt we will. They've all moved on. Even Mick. He's doing other shit rn

[green estuary]

making banger music for a game that looks boring as hell

[fathom remnant]

So PS5 player here and melee trophy is the last I need for plat and I can't seem to troubleshoot it right to pop it, like uninstalling and playing that one level to pop it but that didn't work and also synched trophies too
Anyone got any solutions?

[green estuary]

ps5 just has fucked up achievements with this game, sorry man

not a whole lot you can do

[obsidian shard]

id is currently trying to patch it i believe

Theyve already done 2 patches that fixed it for most players

its been a major pain

[fathom remnant]

Yeah that's what I figured I seen other certain trophies are bugged after a certain update and seems that me and others are waiting for that patch

So the one way to try and fix it is to uninstall and redownload and play chapter 15 right?

[fleet spruce]

"it's basically like a sequel"
I wonder if scope of DLC has expanded quite a bit

[meager vortex]

dlc will be bfd(big fucking dlc)

[warm ibex]

kinda funny that only a few streams ago he was trying to temper expectations lol

which does make me wonder if he was overhyping things a bit last night

[fleet spruce]

or maybe he meant that there will be a giant plot point that will be really important later

[random sand]

could be either or tbh

[wide siren]

catching up with the stream and why is hugo goving out the whole dlc lmao

[frosty roost]

that's just hugo for you lmfao

[wide siren]

gotta love him

[silver pawn]

What will happen if you change the GPU midgame to a non-raytrace GPU?

[fading bone]

the universe implodes

[merry sapphire]

they get you

[wide siren]

resonance cascade

[rain glen]

https://x.com/Sneakyjaycool/status/2027248471485337655 everytime you think its done it always keeps bringing me back

SneakyJaycool (@Sneakyjaycool)

DOOM: The Dark Ages – ALL DLC Info so far:

COMBAT:
- Slayer Gates are returning.
- Archville will be returning.
- Mobility will play a major role in the DLC,
- Every new mechanic will meaningfully affect gameplay (similar to the Sentinel Hammer in TAG 2).
- The gameplay loop

X · Feb 27, 2026, 5:04 AM

[wintry nexus]

Oh god the archvilles???

[rain glen]

Yep

[dry veldt]

@wanton vector I know you

@wanton vector coffee

[hazy pasture]

What's up now?

[wide siren]

oh yes

[ripe sundial]

I finally bought the premium upgrade for doom the dark ages I be playing it tomorrow

[fading bone]

an excellent idea

[hazy pasture]

Coolio

[errant osprey]

Hugo gave a lot of information last night
I personally was very confused
On one hand I remember him saying that he didn't see much in terms of story, but last night he said that the DLC would be like a sequel

[signal shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

[errant osprey]

I wish the DLC would be released sooner
On the one hand, I'm saying it's going to be released late because it's so big
On the other hand, because Hugo has been spending a lot of time experimenting with the DLC and is giving us a lot of information, I'm saying it might be released soon
I'm really confused

[fleet spruce]

We're definitely really close to the release...

[harsh egret]

they said the dlc trailer is still some time away

idk what "some time" is to them but to me that would be at least 2-3 months

[harsh egret]

just gotta give them time, hugo mentioned that he understands ppls frustrations about it being a while since they shipped the base game but thats just cuz the dlc is so big and that it feels like a sequel

and that takes time.

[hazy pasture]

We really should be patient with them

[harsh egret]

devs playtest their games all the time, but yeah it does sound like hugo is playing a more finalized version of the dlc

[hazy pasture]

He sounded really happy with how the development of the DLC is going and how it is turning out to be

[errant osprey]

I still feel like they're still testing and polishing it. The trailer will probably be released in a month, and the DLC itself will come out 2 months after the trailer.

[harsh egret]

yh i doubt it

but imo it really is a big waste of time sitting on this topic so much and tryina theorize when it might release, it seems like its some time away and it will be ready when its ready

im more curious about theorizing what might be IN the dlc, which I think is alot more important

[errant osprey]

Maybe they'll start showing concept art in the next 2 weeks. This is all hypothetical and they know better. But I'm pretty sure they're almost done polishing, reviewing, and finalizing the DLC.

[hazy pasture]

Also I've seen a few folks talking about the fact that Hugo said that the DLC is really big but then again he said that it's not going to be something super crazy. Imo the DLC might just cover what happened before and at the Expedition of Nekravol at max because he did indirectly confirm that the DLC will make ties with the lore established in DOOM (2016) and the Argenta Civil War.

So in short, the DLC will cover what happened directly after the events of the base game and that in itself, is really big

[harsh egret]

in terms of story it wont be something super crazy tho, right? i think thats what was mentioned previously, not about the length of the dlc

cuz like the base game didnt have a very big storyline either ngl

[hazy pasture]

I don't think Hugo meant it won't be anything crazy based on the gameplay mechanics and stuff

He prolly meant on the story side

[harsh egret]

yet he mentioned that it will be kinda like how eternal was to 2016

i think he might have been exagerating a bit with that one, it will just be an enhanced version of the base game

[alpine pilot]

[hazy pasture]

Yeah well if you think about it, adding a new gameplay mechanic into the already existing one will change the pace of things and how you used to play the game without it

[harsh egret]

i kinda feel like they are adding a meathook from eternal equivalent when it comes to its impact on the skill expression of the game

which would be the spear i guess lol

[meager vortex]

yeah hugo said very huge i think 20GB OR MORE BIG

[hazy pasture]

I remember Hugo mentioning the skill ceiling won't be high for the DLC and last night he says High Skill Ceiling lmao

[hazy pasture]

Really Big...

[meager vortex]

ripatorium3.0 update+dlc update

[errant osprey]

That's exactly why I was confused.
What Hugo said last night contradicted the previous information we had about the DLC.
Like the story and the skill ceiling issue.
It's not clear which of his words is true, lol.

[hazy pasture]

I would rather believe his words now than the time when the team was still in the early - mid stages of dev cycle

[harsh egret]

i cant recall that first part at least

[hazy pasture]

Considering the amount of things that are there in the DLC, I wouldn't be surprised if they make the new enemy ai worse than Komodo

[hazy pasture]

He said that DLC won't be as hard as TAG 1 because that level of difficulty would be saved for the Slayer Gates and Master Levels

I do think the DLC would need the players to master the pre-existing loop in order to play conveniently at least but won't be a skill jump like Eternal base campaign to tag 1

[harsh egret]

doesnt mean it wouldnt have a higher skill ceiling than the base game

especially when the difficulty will be increased to those levels in some of its hardest encounters

[hazy pasture]

What I meant is terms of high skill ceiling...

TDA Base < TDA DLC but not a skill jump like Eternal Base < TAG 1

[neon gust]

Hey guys quick question: does the game still have that weird missing life sigil bug when playing on Pandemonium?

[errant osprey]

I agree
I have no problem with higher skill levels or even bigger DLC. I would be very happy about that.
The problem is that I am running out of patience. That's why they don't give a release date for the DLC. If they did, it would have been easier for me to wait, but now we are in a mess.
Also, I really like the new demons they add to challenge us, just like Komodo.

[fading bone]

pretty sure this is fixed by just starting a new save file on that slot in another mode and then deleting it

[neon gust]

Yeah that's what I did ever since the game released but I shouldn't have to do that

[fading bone]

idk it takes like 1 minute lol

not a big deal

[scarlet dirge]

I finished the story, awesome encounters but maybe I will have to replay on nightmare because it was too easy

[fading bone]

sounds like a great idea

[green estuary]

I'm praying the dlc is gonna be absolutely brutal

[flat elm]

https://x.com/tescofishdisco/status/2027275792124674099

tesco fish discount, MD (@tescofishdisco)

@Hatovenant @SgdBenjamin Early concept art of TDA HUD features the spear and a dash-like icon 🤔

X · Feb 27, 2026, 6:53 AM

Intersting...

[fleet spruce]

fascinating

[hazy pasture]

It's going to be Interesting to say the least...

[fleet spruce]

that hud looks really cool

[hazy pasture]

The early hud concepts were made by Dakota Cann!

Honestly real cool stuff but it's cluttered and a bit too much too

[obsidian shard]

I know it's a "Dash like icon" BUT, in like any game with a similar design it's a Sprint

Also I've seen that concept art in like 3-5 posts at this point (also if stuff is shown in concept art, it won't usually come back in the game later)

[errant osprey]

This is very interesting.

[hazy pasture]

I would also like to say that this was a very early exploration of the Slayer HUD design style

[harsh egret]

Yep

[hazy pasture]

So a lotta elements present in there are placeholder assets from Doom Eternal

Like the nade icon meaning an equipment launcher

Which was actually considered in the early stages of development

[harsh egret]

Apart from the fact that theres alot of abilities and stuff on screen, the current ui but in that style I would've actually liked to have been in the game

[hazy pasture]

So that "Dash" icon might have been the dash ability from Eternal as well

Or a "Sprint" ability similar to Neon from Valorant and Octane from Apex Legends

Apparently the "Dash" in the concepts won't be coming back to life

Only the Spear will

[errant osprey]

I still want to know how they plan to implement the Dash mechanism.

[obsidian shard]

Appears to be with rhe Spear

Also it's NOT like Eternals Dash

[errant osprey]

Yeah, you could tell from last night's live broadcast because he said his ability to punch and damage is related to his ability to punch and damage, but how he presents it is important.

But I can't help but express my concern
I really don't want the DLC to become Eternal 2.
I liked the philosophy of standing and fighting. Since more mobility is added to the DLC, I hope it doesn't ruin that philosophy in the end.

[obsidian shard]

Its Dark Agess 2

Also @hazy pasture need your opinion

What if the Spear is a swap out for the shield?
Instead of Parry, Blocking and Throwing
We Dodge, Dash and Jab

[fathom remnant]

I'm hoping for a trophy patch for the bugged ones including the melee one I need for the platinum, wanting that patch with the dlc or before for God's sake

[errant osprey]

I know
But we have more mobility capabilities
I have a lot of questions in my mind, although I know that idsoft won't let us down, but I don't know how it's going to be.
I also read your comment on Reddit and it was interesting
Maybe there will be a feature added that allows us to switch between using a shield and a spear

[hazy pasture]

It's very possible considering the Spear is supposed to have a "Leap" mechanic

[obsidian shard]

Which the Sield also has!

[hazy pasture]

Not similar to the Shield Saw jump but you get it

[obsidian shard]

tbf its all speculation

[hazy pasture]

Leap is supposed to be like a teleportation mechanic

Or maybe not

But both of the mechanisms are there

And Spear has one of em

[errant osprey]

Like the Shield Dash ability, but this time we'll have a Spear Dash.

[fathom remnant]

One option I have to get melee is boo up another save and buy the upgrades for the melee and get the trophy so I've read, do I have to delete all my data before that though?

[hazy pasture]

@obsidian shard tbf when Hugo read the comment about dodging and evading attacks, I could briefly imagine how the DLC combat would be playing out like

Maybe TDA 2 too(a man can dream and hope)

[obsidian shard]

The DLC Seems like TDA 2

Its Dark Ages, with more mechanics, and more expansion

[hazy pasture]

Yh yh

So I do think it's possible that we'll be swapping the Shield and Spear in the DLC

[obsidian shard]

Also more Downloadable Content!

[hazy pasture]

Hell yeah can't wait for it

[errant osprey]

And the concept of quick switch also refers to switching between shield and spear.

[hazy pasture]

Considering that the "Quick swapping/Hotswapping" mechanic has to be earned

I think it might mean something else entirely

But there's a chance

[errant osprey]

I don't know, I really can't imagine what they're trying to do lol.

[hazy pasture]

Ngl Hotswapping Shield and Spear would feel like dancing around in arena

Like literally

[errant osprey]

It's hard to wait
I said above that if I knew the release date, it would be easier to wait, but it's so hard to wait now.

I'm currently playing Dark Ages again
On 50% damage to demons
Minimum resource gain
130% speed and maximum projectile speed

[hazy pasture]

Fair enough matey

[errant osprey]

They are also aware of our situation
My idea was that they would have released a trailer or teaser, but they said the DLC would be released in 4 months.
That way it would have been easier to wait and there would have been no confusion

[harsh egret]

they never said when it would be released

[errant osprey]

I know
I wish we knew when it was going to be released

[harsh egret]

well we dont and it will be a while

so u just gotta move on

[errant osprey]

Also for those who are still playing the game, I recommend playing at 150% max projectile speed and 50% damage to demons. Very challenging and enjoyable experience.

[harsh egret]

150 projectile speed is a pain in the ass

[errant osprey]

I once played the game on Nightmare
lowest attack parry window
150% game speed and maximum projectile launch speed
it was very challenging

[fading bone]

i enjoy lowest parry and 120% speed as the only modifiers

[errant osprey]

Is it possible that since we are going to meet the High Council of Hell, we will see the Dark Lord again (I don't mean directly, but even in a hologram)?

[hazy pasture]

At least we know that Darin De Paul is returning in the DLC

So Samur Maykr is gonna be there

[errant osprey]

I don't know how they're going to bring Samur back in terms of the story at that point in time. I think the Dark Lord's return would make more sense.

[fleet spruce]

Dark Lord is just a life sphere at that point in time

[wide siren]

a little bowling section maybe

[fleet spruce]

Lmao

[errant osprey]

I know, but I'm saying, can't he even get his voice back?

[fleet spruce]

That could be possible given that we will see Khan Maykr again

pretty sure it was said in the codexes that he influenced her as well

[errant osprey]

Exactly
Given the whispers he was passing on to Khan Maker, his return could be interesting
I still say it would have been a shame to see the Dark Lord's character briefly in a DLC

[wide siren]

maybe we’ll get a ”mysterious voice: yeeeessss” this time

[errant osprey]

He doesn't seem to be the Dark Lord, perhaps a great figure in the cosmic realm.

[fleet spruce]

Mysterious voice is definitely an entity beyond Davoth

[wide siren]

yeah, mysterious voice was confirmed not the dark lord

i was just reminded of that

[hazy pasture]

As a voice or flashbacks

[errant osprey]

Yes, that's it, I'm satisfied.

[hazy pasture]

Coolio hoolio

[wooden lily]

there is some sort of Bug in Forsaken Plains level.. I am just at the beginning of the level and it already shows I have wraithstone, health, armor and ammo upgrade, all golds, and some collectibles.. whats going on? I guess this might be the reason why I didnt have 200 hp in the end of the game?

and its new game slot

[fading bone]

this is a common bug thats been happening for a while

and it happens randomly on many levels

if you dont have everythings location memorized youll have to check if its bugged at the start of the level and keep looking at the map thoroughly to make sure you dont miss anything

[wooden lily]

ok thanks for info, because on my first playthrough I didnt have all health and armor upgrades and still had everything 100% and was kinda dissapointed, but at least i can say i was able to finish game on nightmare with only 170 hp and 130 armor max

[frail bloom]

Atleast they fixed the caco

Fkin finally

Took you 9 months eh?

But whatev it's in the past now

[obsidian shard]

fr, noticed it working properly in the ripatorium on thursday!

[frail bloom]

Yup now I kinda like him

Now that he isn't sniping me

Da betch

[errant osprey]

What bug did caco have?

[frail bloom]

Parryable projectile was sometimes impossible to anticipate

Generally was too fast

[errant osprey]

Well, it was like that from the beginning. The Revenant was like that too.

[frail bloom]

No it was buggy

Like super buggy

[solid nacelle]

The projectile would just come out instantly and completely skip the windup that it's supposed to have

[frail bloom]

Yeah it was abysmal

9 months of this bull

Hugo said it was messing him up when he was playtesting the dlc

So close yet so far

[errant osprey]

Hugo plays the DLC every day and we are waiting for it
This is unfair lol

[frail bloom]

He's playing the shite out of it so it's perfect for us vro

You gotta occupy yourself in the meantime

[errant osprey]

You know, I said it above
Since Hugo spent a lot of time playing the DLC, maybe they're in the final stages of polishing and fixing bugs and other details.
I'm also currently playing both the Eternal and Dark Ages DLCs. I don't have any other games to play except mobile games. Lol

[fathom remnant]

Bug fixes need to happen still for the base game including the bugged trophies

There's people that can't platinum due to buffed trophies and I have one of those that I need myself

[errant osprey]

I agree
A number of bugs still need to be fixed
But usually bugs are fixed after major updates

[frosty pine]

Oh so that wasn’t just me?

I always thought the caco was harder to parry than the other demons

[solar cairn]

Somehow they developed it too quickly

[frail bloom]

?

[tribal hamlet]

Just saying, I doubt we will get any new dlc info during next week's stream because we got so much this week

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[tribal hamlet]

I mean, it would be nice to get some more nuggets, but I doubt we're gonna get much more for a while

[solar cairn]

I hope for a teaser in April and a trailer in May

And a 5-minute video with gameplay during the Xbox presentation

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-366884463840825135

[elder raven]

I hope we get Nothing.

https://tenor.com/view/speaking-hell-throne-prince-ahzrak-doom-the-dark-ages-gif-1239590965713950942

[obsidian shard]

"No on left to trust"

[heady trout]

returning to dark ages after so much Eternaling, this game still fire

mfw i love both games

[errant osprey]

I'm exactly the same, I keep switching between Eternal and Dark Ages
They're a great pairing
Doom2016 is great, but in terms of gameplay, it's more boring for me

[errant osprey]

Hopefully we'll see a teaser in March (maybe late March, early April)
I don't think they'll show any gameplay at the Xbox event.

[solar cairn]

It should be released clearly before the gta, preferably in a month

[errant osprey]

There's still a long way to go until GTA is released.
I think it'll probably be released in late May or early June.
Otherwise, it'll be released in August at the latest.

[solar cairn]

++

[warm ibex]

@wintry forge someone in my comments threw out the idea that Darin may be voicing the Wretch 👀

I don't think any of us mentioned that yesterday, unless I missed it

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/gdfactory-gdhighlight-678-geologyshi-gif-15314723843277887157

interesting… but All Bets on Belias

[warm ibex]

lowkey ass theory but we'll see, we'll see...

[obsidian shard]

damn lmao

[warm ibex]

I just can't stand it lol

[elder raven]

“lowkey ass theory” and there’s 5 barons outside your house 😭

right now btw

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-deglove-degloving-speed-grolemcorp-gif-2628858460915389297

[frail bloom]

Idk Belias doesn't strike me as "guy who's done with everything"

How is he gonna craft the suit y'know

I'd imagine a totally new character

[heady trout]

(it's the 2016 ones you can handle it)

[frail bloom]

I'm screwed

No death protection

[elder raven]

i’d be pretty mad if my son who i occasionally dip in tar lost something which makes all of us so much stronger than ever before

and gives us a chance against that mortal asshole

[frail bloom]

Sorry my brain's not working today what is this referring to

Dip in tar?

[elder raven]

ahzrak being born in the shadowed pits of hell’s blackest citadels

[frail bloom]

Oh ok I get it

My son tho? Belias is just an advisor

Also they should've used a different model for the ferryman

Some ppl confused him with Belias lmao

[obsidian shard]

All the Hell priests have the same model, they all just have different helmets

[frail bloom]

He did have a different helmet

Why is a priest asking for a payment

Silly

[wintry forge]

That’s honestly kinda interesting…

Honestly, it could still be Samur, as the Wretch. Maybe there’s a lot more to his history than we know. He’d vanished from Urdak at this point, and quite some time passes from then until he falls into the Samuel persona. What if he had a darker history during the time between removing the Father’s life sphere and arriving on Earth as Hayden? After all, the Wretch is completely missing 2016+

[marble tulip]

[heady trout]

samur showing up early on some "the destruction of the production of argent energy isn't necessary"

[wintry forge]

Yeahhh. But we gotta take everything into consideration lmao

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-eric-tao-ken-leung-industry-industry-hbo-gif-13702557412707969815

Ya I'm not with the theory the Slayer will be put in the sarcophagus

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-start-it-hit-it-lets-do-this-round-up-gif-14569712

5 BARONS FOR EVERYONE

[wintry forge]

Hoping they go with new character. Belias seemed too chill to all of the sudden have a rebellion arc

[wintry forge]

He def won’t

[obsidian shard]

I do hope we see more of Belias tho

[frail bloom]

They're the typa ppl to make a pre-existing character another character

Like poor Hayden

[elder raven]

he went to go chill with the archdemons

[wintry forge]

I’m sure we will. If we get the High Council, then he’ll likely be present in the same way he was for Ahzrak

[elder raven]

maybe dancing to their waltz along the way

[green estuary]

Relistening to the TDA soundtrack makes me realize how much it picks up towards the latter half

[wintry forge]

It’d be cool to have him return for the sake of it. I want to learn a bit more about the High Councils functionality

[frail bloom]

Well he'd have to

[obsidian shard]

Boss tracks be carrying

[green estuary]

It’s still solid at the beginning, but unchained predator, Arlan battleground, unholy siege, and pursuit of demons are the only tracks I really fw

[obsidian shard]

And BotBT

[frail bloom]

He's gonna report back to da council

[green estuary]

And then from infernal chasm afterwards it’s just banger after banger

[obsidian shard]

Hellspawn Rift be Underated asf

[frail bloom]

Well yeah those are basically almost all the songs in the first half

Not even

[wintry forge]

We better get hit with da “oh shit, I’ll be informing the High Council of dis”

[frail bloom]

City of dis

[wintry forge]

You’re just on fire brother

[elder raven]

i just want a scene where they’re all quaking (teehee) in their boots and looking at each other because they’re so fucking scared of having to tell davoth what just happened with ahzrak

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

[green estuary]

I guess
But even those tracks I mentioned don’t go as hard as the ones from the second half

[frail bloom]

Eh

The second half has like

Into the Void, What Lies Below, Theomacy, Blood Spill, Battle on the Blackened tide

So abt the same?

[elder raven]

i want it to be like walking into the principals office when you and all of your friends did some stupid shit and have to fess up

[frail bloom]

I feel like it's pretty even

[heady trout]

latter half tracks are better imo

[green estuary]

Infernal chasm, Komodo champion, into the void, what lies below, battle on the blackened tide, steel beyond the grave, divine retribution, wither and writhe, blood spill, theomachy, apotheosis

Also colossus unleashed but ik you don’t like that one

[frail bloom]

See I don't find all of those great

[heady trout]

shame

[frail bloom]

So y'know le opinion

Shame on me

[heady trout]

im going to have to agree with Katsu here

[frail bloom]

I think they're pretty even

[heady trout]

i think my favorite songs from this game are the two main Cosmic realm ones, Into the Void and What lies below

[frail bloom]

For the heck of it I'll rate them all

[green estuary]

But also like jay said boss tracks go absolutely stupid

[heady trout]

but the latter half stages have plenty of bangers

[frail bloom]

Get ready for a big list

[heady trout]

2 whole themes for Washed Makyr

[obsidian shard]

Apotheosis and Theomachy go stupid hard

Also the name meaning of those songs is wicked asf

[heady trout]

true

both things

one thing i like about Into the Void and What Lies Below is how they properly transmit the madness of the Lovecraft esque shit

[heady trout]

their noticeably distinct from the rest of the ost and I love em for that

Cosmic realm is just, I love it so much

I'm so glad they dedicated so many levels to it

it's the perfect place to send the Slayer too, first hell's horrors now the cosmic horrors of the unknown, absolute cinema

[green estuary]

The guitar riff in what lies below just really tickles my brain for whatever reason

[heady trout]

same...

there's one part in "Into the Void" that genuinely transmits the madness

[obsidian shard]

I like how you can remake the entire ost but just bass

(since nealy every stem has a bass version)

[green estuary]

The screaming synths in the background while the guitar riff just blasts is so good

[heady trout]

i like how the main thing about Lovecraftian shit is that it messes with ur psyche but the Slayer is already so insane it has no effect on him

they truly embodied that stupid "Slayer vs analog horror" thing

[obsidian shard]

What Lies Below, Mainly the bass version sound... sad

like a Decaying sadness

[heady trout]

Mfw when they say to stare into Chutlu is to welcome madness bc im already so fucking insane it deals no mental damage

[frail bloom]

From the Ashes: 8.8/10
WTSFL: 9/10
Unchained Predator: 8.3/10
Atlan Battleground: 7.9/10
Blood Red: 8/10
Unholy Siege: 9.5/10
Pursuit of Demons: 8/10
Infernal Chasm: 8.7/10
Hellspawn Rift: 7/10
Ancestral Beast: 7.1/10
Into the Void: 9.4/10
What Lies Below: 9.3/10
Battle on the Blackened Tide: 9.4/10
Steel Beyond the Grave: 7.3/10
Divine Retribution: 6.9/10
Writher and Writhe: 7/10
Colossus Unleashed: 6/10
Theomacy: 8.8/10
Blood Spill: 8.7/10
Between Hex and Flame: 7.2/10
Apotheosis: 7.2/10

[heady trout]

the cosmic sea song (ambience is absolutely cinema too)

[frail bloom]

Here's my rating

Only combat songs

[heady trout]

yeah that's fair

[frail bloom]

Abt 5 nines

Pretty good I'd say

[obsidian shard]

Hellspawn Rift being so low makes me sad

[frail bloom]

Sorry dude

[green estuary]

Steel beyond the grave is a banger, tfym

[frail bloom]

Sorry gang

[heady trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1466516500163858483/Screenshot_20260129-163239.Chrome.png?ex=69a342ec&is=69a1f16c&hm=68276aed1517bdaa85ee812810a047f5fcc2cc6370818cf5d9426f278b68c680&

[frail bloom]

Gang* holy

[obsidian shard]

Also i find it funny how FInishing Move expanded the Sentinel Language the most

[frail bloom]

Why do you think Battle on the Blackened tide is so high

[green estuary]

Bro really doesn’t like the acid goo 🥀

[heady trout]

this is true...

and if anyone wonders why Sentinel command station is so low, its bc of the explosive barrel spam

[frail bloom]

I also find the level boring

Sooo y'know

[obsidian shard]

From Beyond is interesting

[heady trout]

From Beyond is weird

[obsidian shard]

mainly dragon flying

[heady trout]

it's like, mostly dragon yeah

[obsidian shard]

like not combat but flying

[heady trout]

Temu Holy City of Aratum

[obsidian shard]

I'm not disagreeing

[heady trout]

Holy City of Aratum is the first level in the game that truly had me going "absolute doom"

[frail bloom]

Sentinel Barracks for me

I went ooga booga mode when I got to fight the Vagary

[heady trout]

well, in my later playthroughs yeah, that became my "first level that's truly cool"

[frail bloom]

Plus it's been revamped to feel like the first tough level

First Un challenge

[heady trout]

true

the first three levels are basically tutorial with flair

[frail bloom]

Khalim is still one of my fav levels tho, it feels different from all the others

[heady trout]

i will be the first to say the first level in TDA immo is more fun than the other first levels in Doom trilogy

[frail bloom]

Yup

[heady trout]

and this is coming from someone who likes hell on earth btw

[frail bloom]

Smt abt the atmosphere is PEAAK AOHHH

The color palette, the beginning song, everything

Such a good beginning level

[heady trout]

yah, and one thing it has over eternal is that ironically it's faster paced bc of the shield charge, melee and speed increase options

[frail bloom]

Oh it mogs Hell on Earth

No contest

[heady trout]

Hebeth is, ok, it does it's job. What I like the most abt it is definitely how it feels like a love letter to 2016, really recaptures those vibes

[frail bloom]

It's def alr

[heady trout]

Hebeth and Exultia fighting over who's more lukewarm of a second stage

[frail bloom]

Hebeth is better.

Exultia is an eye sore

[heady trout]

The Atlan level is

ok

moving on

[frail bloom]

Oof yeah

[heady trout]

nah it's fine

[frail bloom]

Moving on

Sentinel Barracks

Love it

[heady trout]

fire has begun 🙏

[frail bloom]

The Holy city

Peak of peak

[heady trout]

absolutely rad

[frail bloom]

Then Siege pt 1, the most controversial of all

[heady trout]

Seige is basically the new Cultist base

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1477128719309996215/darkage_levwl.PNG?ex=69a3a2d2&is=69a25152&hm=c2dd0f8232a531998b5961ca02e429ec4519ad9284741f2759c45acdb9b4e90b&

[frail bloom]

I've played a lot of classic doom megawads, so it's right up my alley

[heady trout]

these days I have fun with Seige part 1 though

[green estuary]

Hell on earth is carried by the soundtrack

[frail bloom]

Yup

[heady trout]

Siege part 2, ehh idk

[frail bloom]

Siege pt 2 is eh

[obsidian shard]

ong tho

[heady trout]

kind of true

[obsidian shard]

same with taras nabad imo

[warm ibex]

I actually figured that Hell probably hunted and killed the Wretch once the Slayer was entombed, but Samur being the Wretch is also an interesting theory

[frail bloom]

Unchained predator and Hell on Earth tracks are like kinda even

Both upbeat and good introductory songs

[frail bloom]

I like this better

[heady trout]

the main difference between the two is that Village is actually fast paced compared to Hell on Earth which legitimately feels like a slog at times

[frail bloom]

Anyways the level after that was,

The forest??

[heady trout]

forest is

nice

[frail bloom]

Very nice aesthetic

[heady trout]

not much more to say

[frail bloom]

Combat is ok

Ancestral forge now

I don't like it.

Just me

[heady trout]

ancestral forge is interesting but it has one arena with imp stalkers and aggadon that makes me mad, and the asthetic is kind of lame unless you look up and see the skeletal remains

[frail bloom]

It needs less fog

That's what it needs

[heady trout]

also ancestral forge peaks visually at that final area with machinery and shit

[frail bloom]

Anyways Forsaken Plains

Awesome

The updated combat makes it better

[heady trout]

fire

[frail bloom]

HellBreaker

Prob the most useless level

[heady trout]

i keep saying this

[obsidian shard]

Music fucking carries

holy shit

[heady trout]

it's actually pointless outside of the Atlan shotgn

[frail bloom]

Well yeah it's infernal chasm

But besides that why did we go to Hell

[heady trout]

foresaken plains does its job as fire ass hell level and then hellbreaker spits in its face

[obsidian shard]

uhh to hunt Ahzrak

[heady trout]

it's doom, we have to do that

[frail bloom]

Ik why

[obsidian shard]

(it says at the begining)

[frail bloom]

I mean like why waste two levels and have him accomplish nothing

Is what I mean

[heady trout]

a bad thing in videogames is to make the player feel like they wasted your time, and hellbreaker is legitimately that

[obsidian shard]

Cause we NEED a hell level dude

[heady trout]

Reckoning;

Harbor of Souls:

[frail bloom]

Ik bro but we should've been able to fight Ahzrak

[obsidian shard]

its cool
Lore wise it makes no sense

Gameplay its rad asf

[frail bloom]

And he'll escape or smt

Shrimple as that

[heady trout]

Hellbreaker Gameplay is, ok, the Atlan shotgun should have been brought back

[frail bloom]

Anyways, after that

I forgor

[obsidian shard]

Sentinel Command Station

[frail bloom]

From Beyond?

[heady trout]

sentinel command station can go kiss my ass low-key

[frail bloom]

Oh that

[frail bloom]

Ye screw it

[heady trout]

from beyond is literally holy city but from temu

[obsidian shard]

Its got a cool asthetic, gameplay areas are alright, but basically every level is better

[frail bloom]

Same with From beyond

[obsidian shard]

ye

[heady trout]

after that we pick back up with spire

[frail bloom]

NOT SPIRE

[obsidian shard]

PEAK

[heady trout]

basically holy city 2

[frail bloom]

Ok we differ here

[heady trout]

spire is fire im afraid, I will say it has some funny tough arenas

[obsidian shard]

Exploration is BALLER, OST is BALLER, Komodo is BALLER

[frail bloom]

Combat is great

[heady trout]

and might be a bit long 😭

[frail bloom]

Aesthetic is poop

[obsidian shard]

agree on that lol

[obsidian shard]

nah nah nah

[frail bloom]

Yah yah yah

[elder raven]

blame samir cause he works at id

[spark elm]

The forsaken plains is peak aesthetic for me

[heady trout]

I love how it looks like when ur not indoors or in a cave

[obsidian shard]

Lasagna Hell is just W

[frail bloom]

Idk I hate levels that look like England

Like why so accurate

[heady trout]

and we can comfortably say every Cosmic realm level is fire until Belly of the Beast

[frail bloom]

City of Ryuul is awesome

[spark elm]

And Infernal Chasm is peak

[obsidian shard]

Belly Of the Beast is Fucking hard

[elder raven]

i wanna see hell levels that adapt other hells in mythology because that’d be really neat i think

[heady trout]

baller introduction to the Cosmic realm

[frail bloom]

Kathrul Marshes looks awesome but the level structure is lacking for me

[heady trout]

this take, I agree with it

[frail bloom]

But good thing it looks genuinely amazing

Belly of the Beast is kinda boring to look at

[heady trout]

yeahhhh, its one of those "open plains" levels and it really doesn't utilize that concept in any interesting ways like the others, the most memorable part of that level ironically are the puzzles

[frail bloom]

But great combat

Then Temple of Lomarith, which is a solid level I'd say

[heady trout]

the open levels in TDA are an interesting new addition, giving players far more choice in navigation and they've grown on me, but Marshes is just, if it wasn't for the puzzles I'd legitimately forget it exists lol

[heady trout]

i love it

[frail bloom]

Yup

And then the big one

Harbor of Souls.

BOIIII

[heady trout]

BOII

[frail bloom]

[heady trout]

we starting to reach the peak of the game with this one

[frail bloom]

Perfection.

[heady trout]

yeah, it's just, so peam

[frail bloom]

The most Doom to ever Doom

Nothing more can be said

And then Resurrection

Amazing combat, pretty good aesthetic

[heady trout]

Resurrection is my second favorite level in the game

[frail bloom]

Mid ost but that's a me thing

[heady trout]

and imo the best of the open levels

[frail bloom]

Ye a great open level

Then Final Battle

[heady trout]

Final Battle is, cool. It only starts becoming an actual level and not a setpiece once you fight enhanced Asscrack

[frail bloom]

Ofc the mech section is what it is but the Ahzrak fight is awesome

And then Reckoning

[heady trout]

yeah

[frail bloom]

Awesome way to cap off the game

[heady trout]

PEAK, THIS IS DOOOOMMM

best level imo

[frail bloom]

In Hell BOIIII

What's the top 5

[heady trout]

lemme check my Tierlist

[frail bloom]

I'll check too

[heady trout]

1. Reckoning
2. Resurrection
3. Harbor of Soums
4. City of Ry'uul
5. Temple of Lomarith

[frail bloom]

Here's mine:

1. Harbor of Souls
2. Holy City
3. Siege pt 1
4. City of Ry'uul
5. Ressurection

It's waaayyy too close

Honestly hold on

Ok there

Khalim is 6

Overall a quarter of them are S tier

Then the other half is pretty solid

[heady trout]

eh, my top 5 are the levels I'd consider S tier, everything else is A+ or A tier, I guess I don't regard the game as highly as you do

~~dont look at my Eternal Tierlist ~~

so many more levels in S and even S+

but im pretty sure the DLC will add stages I'd consider worthy of S tier

[wintry forge]

3-5 usually get juggled around, but:

1. Temple of Lomarith
2. City of Ry’uul
3. Seige 1
4. Reckoning
5. Harbor of Souls
   HM: Holy City

I think TDA has the best Finale mission. Love Final Sin but Reckoning is so peak

[obsidian shard]

idk tag 2

[heady trout]

agreed

[frail bloom]

A bit late but 5 is basically abt a quarter of the game

It's 22 levels but it's close to 20

[merry sapphire]

i thought it was ait IMO

Final sin was much cooler cause you can literally see the final boss roaming around the level breaking shi

[frail bloom]

Hmm good point

Reckoning is more visually interesting to me tho

And the final boss has more of a bearing and narrative presence

Idk tough to say

[heady trout]

When comparing the two final levels, I prefer Reckonings arena design and boss fight

I prefer bosses in Doom that feel like close hand fist fights, like Doom Hunter, Gladiator or as you all know: Ahzrak

Icon of Sin is a fine final boss, but I have way more fun with Ahzrak and Witch

it doesn't help that the Icon fight is kind of clunky at times

tldr: Both are fun but Reckoning feels way more solid as a whole imo

i also like that reckoning has what's basically a pre final boss which is the Vagary champion fight return

[hearty edge]

i do like the mech in final battle tho

easy but stil

but dude the ahzrak fight is undoubtedly the best in nudoom

i still really like the hell guards in 2016 but damn

[hearty edge]

oh yea i loved that

with ur new mastery and weapons u can bully the mf and it feels great

[heady trout]

yeah fire ass powerscaling basically

i love when games return a boss from the early game in the late game

[hearty edge]

SIEGE 1 MENTION 💯💯💯💯

fuck ass level took me like 3 hours to beat on my 1st playtrough

[hearty edge]

final sin's first arena is still one of the best imo

but yea reckoning is great all around

[hearty edge]

yep checks out

i'd add reckoning there too

ohh holy city is the one with the ssg i forgor the name

love that final encounter

and that one ship where u play pinball with the plasma shield guys

and the cyberdemon

[heady trout]

that arena is baller def

but there are so many areans that are so flat, spam Tyrants and Barons and seem designed against Eternals base arena design concepts that its super tempting to just use the bfg

one thing I prefer about Dark Ages in comparison to Eternal is that those big flatter arenas work better bc you have the option to actually parry projectiles, In Eternal when you have a big ass open arena it just devolves into "keep moving right or left to dodge the barrage"

pretty much why I find the last big Final Sin arenas boring outside of the Marauder encounter

[hearty edge]

true

i think i've only used the bfc for the missions that require it

[heady trout]

no mission truly requires it, but I only use the bfg in the Holt and Final Sin

[hearty edge]

i mean in tda

like the ones that say kill 20 demons with the bfc

[heady trout]

Final Sin due to those eh huge arenas and the Icon and The Holy purely bc of the Possesed Pain Elemental

[green estuary]

the BFC is actually a scary weapon to use in a UN run
because it's no longer an amazing panic button, since pulling it out at low health also loses your shield, plus you actually have to hit your shot instead of just launching the thing into the air

[hearty edge]

i think on eternal i may have also used it against an arch vile

[heady trout]

well yeah, the arenas in Spire where you get the the bfc are 100% duable without the BFC but a pain in the ass, compared to Eternals first "bfc arena" with the cacodemons not really needing it

[hearty edge]

yea the no shield makes it hard

[heady trout]

yeah it's no longer a panic button

outside of Spire and maybe Belly of the Beast in that one acid arena sometimes I don't use the BFC at all

[hearty edge]

still if that shot actually lands it honestly feels more destructive than the bfg imo
like the bfg sometimes wasn't able to kill barons and definitely not cyberdemons but here it's a delete button

[green estuary]

even in my big boy UN run I didn't use it much at all

although you know the komodo leader in harbor of souls was getting insta-deleted on sight

[hearty edge]

i used it on the kar thul marshes for a mission challenge and besides that only on spire i'm pretty sure

[heady trout]

what did he do besides be a lil annoying 😭

[hearty edge]

yk i don't remember that one

[heady trout]

Komodos are odd

[obsidian shard]

Its a komodo

FUCK EM

[heady trout]

I like them when they choose to Melee attack alot instead of run around like a dog and just shoot the stupid fireball's

like, DUDE WHAT ARE YOU DOING STANDING IN FRONT OF ME does he want a treat or something

this mf will stand still infront of me with his fireball gun and happily soak up so much damage like what

[hearty edge]

that's why my favorite super heavy is and will always be my boy cyberdemon

just stand in front of him and get those parries in

no stupid ahh attack cycle or whatever

[heady trout]

hmm, I think I agree, I wish that stupid orange spike attack wasn't a thing doe

cyberdemons and aggadons are awesome

[hearty edge]

iont like aggadons cuz of that homing red projectile attack they sometimes throw at u that breaks ur shield instantly

other than that great

if there's one demon i hate it's the whiplash

[heady trout]

that stupid unparryable projectile

when their in parry range their fine but that projectile is actually terrible

Whiplashes keeping the shit factor from Eternal as a whole doe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1462573751911710923/my-image_1_2.png?ex=69a36b73&is=69a219f3&hm=2f5cb6c3e15759f31819073e2bebb1b47b4821db2e82bd3181665fefcaf78a99&

[obsidian shard]

Mancubus needs to go up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274237827592228865/1430735344609001514/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_1.gif

[heady trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1477168455659684012/Doom_Dark_Ages_demon_Tierlist.png?ex=69a3c7d4&is=69a27654&hm=ddb048f11fd0c371736bba1c2c0a2999dc0af302cc539f8911eae9df6dea18d3&

did a new one with my new ✨ opinions

okay im re listening to the unchained predator, blood red and pursuit of demons, I slept on these they have some banger segments in particular

i need a list of which song plays in which level doe

i already know hellspawn rift plays in the two sentinel command station levels, Ancestral beast plays in both holy city and spire, Infernal chasm in Hell levels, Siege in Seige levels, Cosmic realm songs in Cosmic realm levels, Steel beyond the grave in Resurrection but outside of that im kind of lost

[green estuary]

that arena has a lot of fog, plus the verticality makes him hella unpredictable

[heady trout]

the verticality is annoying yeah, today I replayed Harbor of Souls and noticed that with him true

[fleet spruce]

um, Holy City of Aratum and Sentinel Barracks both have Blood Red actually and Ancestral Beast is only in Spire of Nerathul

[obsidian shard]

Khalim -> Unchained Predator
Hebeth/Barrier Core -> Atlan Battleground
Sentinel Barracks/Aratum -> Blood Red
Siege 1+2 -> Unholy Siege
Forest/Forge -> Pursuit of Demons
Hell -> Infernal Chasm
Command Station/Beyond -> Hellspawn Rift
Nerathul -> Ancestral Beast
Ryu'ul/Karthul Marses -> Into the Void
Temple/Belly of the Beast -> What Lies Below
Harbor of Souls -> Battle on the Blackened Tide
Resurrection -> Steel Beyond the Grave
Final Battle -> Colossus Unleashed

Kreed -> Divine Retribution/Wither & Writhe

Enhanced Ahzrak -> Theomachy/Blood Spill/From the Ashes

Ahzrak & The Witch -> Between Hex and Flame/Apotheosis

[heady trout]

thanks

[hazy pasture]

Howdy fellas

[obsidian shard]

yo yo yo

[hazy pasture]

Completed till Raccoon City cutscene

My rating goes up to 8.5

It'll likely go higher

[heady trout]

holy shit i forgot how good the komodo champion theme is

properly translated how much of a beast that thing is

honestly the most I enjoy fighting the Komodo is in that arena

[obsidian shard]

Komodo Champion theme 🥀

[heady trout]

im calling it that lol

i know its ancestral beast

[obsidian shard]

It plays 4 other times in the level with out the komodo...

🥀

[heady trout]

i know but be honest, the part you remember the most is the komodo champion

actually you might remember it cause it plays for the bfc segment

[obsidian shard]

That and the the main riff

[obsidian shard]

and in 3 secret arenas

[heady trout]

the spire secret arenas are so rad

[obsidian shard]

real

[hazy pasture]

Komodo Champion is a reference to @mystic barn 's mix of Ancestral Beast of the same name "Komodo Champion"...

And it was awesome sauce

I wonder how many fellas have experienced the peak stuff by dino

[stray pollen]

Funnily enough the Komodo theme or Ancestral Beast was my least liked since day one of playing because I had a bug where the heavy double time section would constantly play during every encounter, no build up or light combat. After hearing it again over time it grew on me

[ripe sundial]

17 minutes left for doom the dark ages to be finishing downloading on my ps5

[last haven]

It's on PS5? How about PS4

[fleet spruce]

Dark Ages is only on current gen systems

ps4 simply doesn't have the RT capabilities nor the required performance to run Dark Ages

[fading bone]

#videos message @obsidian shard thanks again for sending me this part of Into The Void so I could have it on my phone to play to :)

[random sand]

• they stopped making ps4 games long ago

[ancient atlas]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811143370466131981/1477323995941437553/my-image_4.png?ex=69a458af&is=69a3072f&hm=3356f41301277a3385b2959c7af17d851d33f355eb37f53f04b6599485d98a39&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[obsidian shard]

Helll yeah dude

[scarlet dirge]

Why is the brain on peak tier? Unless I’m missing something seems to me to be a pretty annoying enemy

Is there a counter ?

[ancient atlas]

it's like a blood maykr for me but good

[scarlet dirge]

Ok

I’m trying out the ripertorium and its kicking my ass

Thank god for that too, I thought I was done with the game

[heady trout]

blood makyr but terrible

[ancient atlas]

just throw the shield and use shredder when caco not firing at you

[heady trout]

the purple wall attack might be one of the worst attacks in any doom game period, invulnerability and a weird dodging game

[scarlet dirge]

But i have an army of demon shooting at me

[heady trout]

if the caco only had the parry-able projectile I'd like it

[scarlet dirge]

This is kicking my ass

https://discord.com/channels/162891400684371968/1464757204069646396

[scarlet dirge]

Me too