the-dark-ages

[harsh egret]

yeah just u wait one sec

[frail bloom]

Got the idea from Hato himself

Who also thought the master level campaign was gonna release in October

Hilarious

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1471991336902328475/image.png?ex=6990f242&is=698fa0c2&hm=d4d1b3f9bd5f540b70e32fcb6ebd3a7bb91967f4e6d2f67251d125c2a88d5f93&

this post was from aug 6

[frail bloom]

Bro got his info off of craigslist

[harsh egret]

idk what i was on about

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/flightreacts-reaction-flight-reacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-gif-14526489174047821058

[frail bloom]

Confirmed

Confirmed is a buzz word to you lmao

[harsh egret]

lol

[obsidian shard]

Mods Revoke his "News Guy" Privileges

[harsh egret]

and "imo I'm pretty convinced we are getting a surprise Master Campaign sometime between now and December" on sep 23

[frail bloom]

Bro was so off

We in february unc

[harsh egret]

i do still think its kinda crazy we dont have that yet

[frail bloom]

Can't rush art

[harsh egret]

either they are fully shifting focus away from it and onto the dlc which would makes sense

or they are remaking the entire game for ng+ lol

[frail bloom]

They insinuated that

[harsh egret]

and then dropped big update not long after that

[frail bloom]

Not a whole lot of big content updates cuz of dlc

I'd expect a ng+ and some really substantial ripatorium stuff after dlc

For now they gotta focus on what ppl payed for

[elder raven]

#general message just saying

[frail bloom]

No idea

[spark elm]

Chapter 19 and 20 both have aura

Amazing themes, design, atmosphere…

[potent parcel]

the music on chapter 19, "Battle on the Blackened Tide" is my second favourite track in the game
I love slow atmospheric buildups and creative use of vocals, and that song is just made of them

not to mention weird meters 😄

[tidal crane]

Top 2 favourite segments so far? The turret and the titan controlling.

[lavish fjord]

The dragon sections were my favorite

[potent parcel]

Spire of Nerathul made an excellent use of the dragon just to show how ridiculously gigantic everything was

[marble tulip]

[marble tulip]

I want to hug this guy

[obsidian shard]

Hugo

[potent parcel]

Hugo with what looks like the Halo energy sword?
I mean I guess just stay away from the sharp parts

[iron kettle]

Im sorry, did i just ride cthulhu into space?

[potent parcel]

hmmm
seems unlikely

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-monster-giant-gif-4327049909338153304

[iron kettle]

That

[potent parcel]

I don't know
coulda been faked with CGI

okay okay 😛

[marble tulip]

I want to hugo this guy

[merry sapphire]

they should make the light ages where its all sunshine and rainbows

[potent parcel]

you need to hugo the marten

[errant osprey]

@gemini_19 It would be great if there was a real master campaign.
Although more content will be delayed until after the DLC is released
They are working hard on this DLC.

[frail bloom]

Yup

[frail bloom]

The good ol' times back in January 2025 where I thought this was the champion titan

How wrong I was

[twilit stone]

You shouldve been right tho

[frail bloom]

Back at the time it seemed right until I learned abt the timeline a bit more

It was just too early

But I was confused for months, bc what else could've it been at the time?

Then trailer two rolled around and I went, "Ah damnit it's just cthulhu"

[twilit stone]

They shouldve made it more clear in the marketing that the game wasn't gonna be about the testaments or smth

[frail bloom]

Ye kinda threw me off for a loop

But now Ik a bit more abt where things are spaced out

[marble tulip]

When we thought we were going to have a campaign that would showcase decades of battles in 20 hours of gameplay

At one point we even thought they were retconning the fight with the Dreadnought

[frail bloom]

Ik I thought that at the time

M0no had to sit me down

I basically had no good understanding of the timeline

Now I'm a bit more sure where they'll space things out

[ocean ore]

well i finished the game

i fully upgraded the chainshot just in time for boarding azrahks ship

wish i upgraded it earlier

[ocean ore]

yea they really put cthulhu squids in the game

[versed quarry]

Bro had to have "the talk"

[frail bloom]

Yup

The sit down

[warm ibex]

I mean it is about the testaments, it's just not a speedrun compilation of everything mentioned in them

[frail bloom]

Mhm

So glad they're taking their time

They might not even do that battle

Left as a mystery

[twilit stone]

might be better off doing that actually

[frail bloom]

We don't know

Realistically, if that were to happen, it'd be like 10-15 years from now

[twilit stone]

You mean like in real world years? So like when 2016 is 20 years old?

[frail bloom]

Yup

[elder raven]

in 2016 and maybe even eternal this idea would have been unthinkable

[marble tulip]

[potent parcel]

I mean, they haven't really shown any events that we knew about yet
And if you look at the beginning and the end of the story, not much has actually happened yet aside from one random dark lord we never heard of about getting his horns handed to him
but it does sound like the DLC is going to change that so I reserve my judgement until I play it

[frail bloom]

Ig if you wanna take marketing seriously, I remember Hugo saying that tda will lead into the slayers testaments that we know abt

Meaning it sets up the slayers testaments

[potent parcel]

I do love the way the story is presented -- the direction, the animation, the voice-acting. Just kinda wish there was more substance.

[frail bloom]

We seem to be hunting the high council/dark lords in the dlc, which is part of the testaments

"The Dark Lords who wronged him" or smt

[potent parcel]

yeah and if I remember correctly (and haven't misinterpreted the poetic language) most of the testaments take place after the end of the war on Argent

[frail bloom]

About most I'd say

A few might be before but honestly they're pretty vague

[potent parcel]

so it wouldn't make sense to get to that part too quickly
but there are events within the war that we know will happen and so far the game has shown us none of them
to me that's the point of a prequel, to show us the details how those past things came about
Right now we have a story that starts with Argent at war with Hell and the Slayer being an unstoppable killing machine, and ends with Argent at war with Hell and the slayer is an unstoppable killing machine

[frail bloom]

What part

What wouldn't make sense

Hold on

Also pretty lame oversimplification

[obsidian shard]

Its cool we got some lore for the Unholy War since we knew about it the Least

[potent parcel]

the part where Argent has lost the war and the slayer is stuck in hell again

[frail bloom]

Oh ye this part is true

But his ramage seems to be much earlier

[potent parcel]

which rampage? he has a lot of those 😛

[frail bloom]

Ye lol

[obsidian shard]

Thats during/the end of the Civil War

[frail bloom]

It seems like he voluntarily chose to stay in Hell and hunt the high council

After the betrayal during the Civil war, he gets stuck

So we can see that the testaments span from the unholy crusades, to the cifil war, to untold years in Hell

Up until his imprisonment

So basically, a crap ton of stuff

[potent parcel]

yeah, I don't want them to rush towards that -- if you thought that's what I was saying
I'm fine with staying in this setting for a while
I'd just like to see a little bit more change to the world and connection to what happens in the later parts of the story than what we've got so far

also I'd have liked it if Azrahk had been mentioned in the codex of Eternal or TAG somehow -- it would make his defeat feel better to me if he was a villain I'd already heard of

[frail bloom]

This campaign just seems like telling its own vignette or interesting debacle during the Unholy wars and setting up the events we hear abt in Eternal and 2016, which I'm totally fine for

You could chalk off the fact that tda's events aren't mentioned for the mere fact that it spanned a couple days

Hell and Argent D'nur are in a tug of war of sorts, a side loses more, a side wins more

We were in a moment where Argent D'nur was losing

But it's all setting up the intriguing stuff

High council

[potent parcel]

yeah, I get that, I just didn't really feel like it was a narratively satisfying thing to do. I loved the other aspects of it. And I think the DLC will give me some of what I'm looking for

[frail bloom]

I can understand that

I just appreciate that they tried smt new, so it can surprise me a bit

I feel like moving forward they'll retell certain events but clarify and add on a lot of new stuff too

[potent parcel]

I guess in 2016, Eternal, and Ancient Gods, the Slayer's actions in the plot have fundamentally changed the world around him. And I don't see that here, yet.

[frail bloom]

He doesn't need to

[obsidian shard]

Agreed

[frail bloom]

There's so much going on during this time period

[potent parcel]

no, but it feels good to be that person

[frail bloom]

It's not all just abt him

[obsidian shard]

Not Reallt in 2016

[frail bloom]

They need to set things up

Give everything breathing room

And yes, he didn't change anything in 2016

He kinda failed

And finished the job in Eternal

[twilit stone]

if anything he made things worse in 2016 lol

[potent parcel]

I didn't specify better 😛
his actions get reset at the end of 2016... or something... it's not clear what Samuel exactly intended to do with the sword
but his temporary destruction of Argent Energy did drive the events within the game

[frail bloom]

The slayer killing Bishop Kreed, Ahzrak, and hunting the high council, does that not set up smt in your eyes?

He killed ahzrak, the council knows they're next

Well, here's the thing

[potent parcel]

the issue for me is it only sets it up

[frail bloom]

You can only use the 2016 example bc we have eternal

It's unfair to judge tda by that same metric if the dlc ain't out

You know what I'm saying

[potent parcel]

if there was one single concrete thing I could change it would be to have Kreed fought earlier in the story and the fallout of that explored in the late-game instead of just being hinted at at the end

but I get that they wanted you to have your full kit before you fight him, and you only complete it in the Cosmic Realm

where it wouldn't make sense to fight him

[hearty edge]

hi i'm john steel balls

[frail bloom]

Hello

[twilit stone]

the set-up story just isn't that interesting. Not bad, but not interesting. It could've been if we got more scenes like the interaction between Thira and Novik at the start, talking briefly about the ethics of the Slayer's imprisonment. But that's the ONLY scene like that

[potent parcel]

yeah I liked that bit

[frail bloom]

And more Marok

[potent parcel]

and I liked what they did with Novik, his character development feels earned
YES MORE MAROK

[hearty edge]

i thought we were gonna see the crucible in ts game 💀

[twilit stone]

it was also shown before the game's release so that also really painted my expectations of the game's narrative. i wanted more scenes of just the characters talking. not exposition, but meaningful conversations. Like I was expecting that in the scene where Thira visits the Slayer but that entire scene is just her saying "this is what we gotta do next"

[potent parcel]

Thira kinda has her character development forced upon her from the outside
although I am very interested if we're gonna ever find out why we didn't learn about her in the future

[frail bloom]

I think they took that criticism to heart

Seems like they're trying to be more risky this time around

[potent parcel]

'cause at the end of the story she seems like she's gonna be more important than ever

[frail bloom]

Trying to include more meaningful things

At the very least, I can confidently say that the story didn't diminish or ruin anything, it'll just go up from here

[twilit stone]

I really hope so, because these characters have potential. They just need to give them more charm, wit, personality. People remember characters like Hayden because he just has a lot of charisma, and an interesting backstory on top of that.

[frail bloom]

As long as they take some criticism to heart

Which I think they will, hopefully

Time will tell

[potent parcel]

they usually do, that's one thing we know about id

[twilit stone]

that's.. mostly true

[frail bloom]

All Ik is that high council, Khan maykr, daisy and more Marok all sound very cool

Kinda up my alley

[wintry forge]

Many people thought this lol

[frail bloom]

And some still might lmao

[twilit stone]

yeah and more first person perspective and immersion, fucking finally

[frail bloom]

Wait nvm

Brainfart moment

[frail bloom]

Ah yes this too, awesome

It sounds really intriguing

[wintry forge]

“2016 2 finally 🙏”

[twilit stone]

DOOM's storytelling should be taking more inspiration from Half-Life than modern AAA story games, which I know isn't exactly a new take, but it's true

[frail bloom]

We shall see where they'll go. They're going the more immersive route for this dlc, but the Civil war is a pretty big event so anything can happen regarding direction

[potent parcel]

so I'm particularly intruiged in how Thira's story ends
one would assume she dies in the war but that doesn't explain why she wouldn't have been mentioned before
and they may just decide that that's because they hadn't invented her yet, but I hope they find something more interesting

[frail bloom]

Oh she def dying

[potent parcel]

dying or something else takes her out

[frail bloom]

Idk when but she's as good as dead

[twilit stone]

she either dying in the DLC or the next one

[potent parcel]

like the wraith inside her

[frail bloom]

Prob the civil war

Sacrifices herself or smt

She has to anyway what demon is gonna kill her

[twilit stone]

zombie

[frail bloom]

Damn

[potent parcel]

if her soul is the wraith then could she become it?

[twilit stone]

nah i mean.. I dunno maybe a Hell Knight or smth

[frail bloom]

I feel like she would've had honed her powers much more to face all types of demons really

By the time the civil war rolls around

[twilit stone]

or maybe a 2016 Pinky teleports in from the future and rams into her, then 2016 Slayer shows up through a portal too and pulls the Pinky back in

[frail bloom]

[potent parcel]

Anyway if her power comes from the cosmic realm, then if she's defeated by a demon it'll probably be another one from the cosmic realm
my money's on the Acolyte

[frail bloom]

She has the power of a wraith

[potent parcel]

'cause they're corrupted sentinels and that just makes it more tragic

[frail bloom]

I'm assuming she'll die by her own choice

[twilit stone]

or maybe she dies doing smth

[frail bloom]

Holding back a horde

Or smt like that

Smt heroic

Hey maybe save the slayer so it can have more impact

Idk how he'd need saving

[potent parcel]

plot contrivance

[frail bloom]

Or maybe she thinks he's in danger and she sacrifices her life and the slayer feels guilty

Howzabout that

[twilit stone]

yeah but they wont do that because the incels will be like "WOKE!!!! SLAYER SAVED BY A WOMAN. DOOM HAS GONE WOKE!!!"

[frail bloom]

Id software won't listen to those ppl lmao

They're the little gremlin voices

[green estuary]

Not a fan tbh

[frail bloom]

Idk I'm trying to rationalize it

[green estuary]

Wouldn’t make much sense

[frail bloom]

Well it's just spitballing

[green estuary]

I’m fairly sure she and the rest of the sentinels know he can take care of himself lol

[frail bloom]

No idea abt context or situation

[potent parcel]

do you know what I think

[frail bloom]

Well nvm then

[green estuary]

I do not know what you think

[frail bloom]

Lets say her wraith power has some perks over the slayer

It's a pretty powerful ability

[twilit stone]

im gonna headcanon my Pinky theory until we see what actually causes it

[potent parcel]

I think she's gonna live, but she's gonna take the Witch's place as controller of the Cosmic Realm and remove it from the battle

which will be the reason why it doesn't show up in the other modern games

[frail bloom]

Oohh maybe she gets corrupted

And we kill her

Imagine that

[potent parcel]

that would be deliciously tragic

[green estuary]

Hmmm

[frail bloom]

Hmmm

Slayer had to kill his comrade

Hmmmm

[twilit stone]

maybe she just gets corrupted by either the Cosmic Realm or Hell, and turns into a lovecraftian monstrosity or demon, and we have to kill her

[potent parcel]

she already is a lovecraftian monstrosity in a human shell

[versed quarry]

She died of being hammered in the ass so much that she died of being hammered in the ass (please somebody get the reference)

[twilit stone]

that's true actually nvm

[frail bloom]

I don't get it so it sounds really wrong

[twilit stone]

I can make an even more obscure reference! 1578

[versed quarry]

You’re right, I don’t get it.

[frail bloom]

Me neither

[twilit stone]

you won't

[versed quarry]

It’s not sexual I swear.

[frail bloom]

Esplain

[versed quarry]

Amazing Jerry

[frail bloom]

Who

[versed quarry]

The emoji

[twilit stone]

actually this is who kills Thira

[versed quarry]

But I was referencing a comedy skit about Abraham Lincoln’s assassination

[twilit stone]

it was a set-up all along

[frail bloom]

Oh cool

Anyways I like the idea of her getting corrupted and we have to kill her

[versed quarry]

All jokes aside, it does seem like a cool idea

[frail bloom]

I think so ye

[twilit stone]

would be better than Serrat anyway

[frail bloom]

Poor Serrat

Origin story wasted in a codex

[potent parcel]

yeah that would have been cool to see

[twilit stone]

we should've been given the ability to pet him or smth

[frail bloom]

Ig they learned their lesson since they're showing daisy now or smt

[frail bloom]

Or have him killing demons in the backround

[versed quarry]

“Press X to pet Serrat during combat”

[potent parcel]

if he does return in hell he better not be corrupted. My dragon baby is stronger than that

[twilit stone]

yeah Serrat's death just left me with this feeling of indifference like i'm more sad that the Slayer's sad, not that Serrat actually died

[frail bloom]

Lmao ye same

We just needed to see more

[twilit stone]

all my criticisms about TDA's story actually just boil down to "GIMME MORE" now that I think about it

[frail bloom]

Which is more then I can say abt eternal ngl

What abt Eternal was so intriguing besides that moment where the Khan is talking abt bringing what the Slayer lost

[twilit stone]

Eternal's plot isn't that interesting but it's world-building more than made-up for it imo

the codexes in that game are juicy af

[potent parcel]

yeah I don't think it was really supposed to be. The game was what kept you playing

[frail bloom]

True

[potent parcel]

the cutscenes just really needed to look cool and make you feel like a badass

[twilit stone]

biggest problem with Eternal's story is how Hayden was handled imo

[frail bloom]

Bro himself was a codex

And most of the time he was just wrong

What an idiot

[twilit stone]

and they started to bring his 2016 charm back a bit in TAG1 but then they did the Seraphim thing and it was just a downward spiral from there

[versed quarry]

I’m glad that Dark Ages story is shown to us in cutscenes, but I do wish we could also have cool background codex entries too

[potent parcel]

the way he changed his mind about Argent Energy between the games was jarring... because it's not like he didn't know
he feels almost like he was supposed to be a new character that got merged into Samuel at the last minute

[twilit stone]

and I don't even hate the Seraphim as a character either, but he shouldn't have been Hayden

[potent parcel]

but at the same time it woulda felt even weirder to not have him there at all

[twilit stone]

his role in Eternal should've been a character arc where he realizes how bad Argent Energy is but they made his arc happen off screen, then revealed it wasn't an arc at all because he was just putting on an act the whole time

[potent parcel]

from, like, a writer perspective, I appreciate the way they drop the hints that he knows things no human should be able to know
...it's just a shame they gave away his identity in a single line before that

a slower dawning realization for the player would have been a very cool feeling

[potent parcel]

I didn't read it as an act, I read it more like the Maykr body influencing his personality

[twilit stone]

it especially didnt help either when they made the Intern just be like "Dr. Hayden is the Seraphim!" like wow, really respecting my intelligence aren't ya?

[frail bloom]

Intern is a lil nervous is all

[potent parcel]

the idea that as a human... braininarobot... he was genuinely a better person than he was as an actual angel fits with the game's themes

but that's just my headcanon 'cause the personality shift is never really justified in the writing at all
if it is an act, why keep it up in 2016 when he went out of his way to tell the Slayer who he really was. And there's no-one else listening. Except Vega, who also probably knows

I liked the intern, just for the sake of having a different sort of mission control voice
all the modulated robotic voices were starting to get monotonous to me by that point

Vega doesn't know his own identity in 2016, but if he's as smart as he's given credit for he could certainly figure out at least some of what Samuel is hiding

[potent parcel]

I meant in the main campaign starting at Nekravol. By the start of TAG1 you'd still already know if you'd been paying attention.
it's just the line in the flashback in Taras Nabad that kinda confirms the whole thing outright before the mystery even gets started

if they took that line out there'd still be enough hints there to "get" it ahead of the actual reveal
and the "Hayden was all an act" thing would actually make sense as the intended reading, because it wouldn't have recontextualized his line in 2016 as revealing himself to the Slayer

[split gate]

Yeah I didn’t like Hayden being the Seraphim, that felt off to me and I felt his character downgraded since

[potent parcel]

I feel like they merged the Seraphim with Hayden to give him a reason to be in the story
and... I don't know. I do think it would have felt weirder if he wasn't there at all. Especially if Vega still was.

his... arc... had kinda completed in 2016. He already won. But he was also a massively important part of this new Doom universe.

and the motivations and character beats he'd had in 2016 weren't really relevant to Eternal's story

so I think they must have ended up in a weird place with him

[split gate]

Hayden solely being a robot doing whatever he does for Earth’s benefits would have been sufficient and he would be a better character and antagonist for it

[warm ibex]

might wanna move this over to the codex chat, I think that's where they want convos like this

[potent parcel]

but they already had an antagonist, and Doomguy was already the guy on Earth's side

oh that's a good point Horde 😛

I think I'm about ready for bed though.

[split gate]

Gn 😴

[warm ibex]

good night man, have a good one 🫡

[potent parcel]

seeeya

[obsidian shard]

GN Goat

[marble tulip]

And at the end, they showed a giant beast emerging from the ground and the Slayer running towards it...

And we all thought it was the Great One

[obsidian shard]

It wasnt a Great One

But it was an Old One!

[marble tulip]

Speaking of Thira, I thought of some good questions for Hugo

How old is Thira? And is Serrat the only dragon of his kind?

[marble tulip]

It's in some windows at the beginning, in Khalim

[wintry nexus]

She looks to be in her 40s tbh

[twilit stone]

between 30-40s i'd say

[meager vortex]

doom 2016 classic mode sick!

classic doom1+doom2+doom2016 =fucking awsome!

jesus!

[marble tulip]

Ouyeaaaaa

[solar cairn]

2.5 months without new updates

[marble tulip]

The dark ages

[idle swallow]

what do you guys think is the best shield rune in TDA? for me it's a tie between the minigun rune and the one that stuns enemies with electricity

[solid nacelle]

Probably ground fissure, it's an instant falter on anyone that's directly in front of you, deals ok damage and is a good source of armor. All the other ones aren't nearly as useful to me

[fading bone]

the minigun is by far the worst

heaven splitter is the best overall

but its pretty close between the other 3 as they all have good advantages as well and are very strong

but the sheer amount of units taken out of the fight by maxed out heaven splitter allowing you to just go right on in and dreadmace a bunch of them without taking any damage is just so insanely strong

also in combination with the cycler giving instant + shock bonus vs basically every demon is crazy

[idle swallow]

Heretic weapon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464416780933267466/1472219192483643476/image.png?ex=6991c677&is=699074f7&hm=b5878ec181148cf329e77d16f71c1f9d69226dcbcdd870207cab2c759e6c9a79&

[fleet spruce]

honestly, that's a very surface level visual similarity

[frail bloom]

Huh time flew

[frosty pine]

Are we gonna get any more patches between now and the dlc?

Because there’s some bugs I’ve noticed

For one changing the difficulty of an existing save file seems to be broken

I have a file on hurt me plenty

I keep trying to change it to ultra violence but it never saves

[fading bone]

highly doubt it

DLC is prolly gonna be the big update + bug fixes etc

[wintry nexus]

I use it because it looks cool

[frosty pine]

Another I’ve noticed is that the dreadmace’s riposte upgrade is bugged out and doesn’t work in the ripatorium

It says that I still have to purchase the obliterator upgrade at a sentinel shrine

Same thing for the mace’s engulf upgrade

Idk if anyone else has these issues but I really hope they get fixed at one point

[twilit stone]

Did they intentionally remove portal transitions or is that just a bug

[frail bloom]

Ehhhh

No they might have one more update

2.5 months plus 3 months for putting off bug fixes is not a good thing

I bet they'll fix some things relatively soon

[frosty pine]

Are there any other bugs anyone here has come across?

[frail bloom]

Not that Ik of?

But there's prob quite a few

[twilit stone]

Yeah like portal transitions, its really awkward looking without em (i swear im like the only person bothered by this lol)

[frail bloom]

Maybe send a vid? This was recent?

What was it like before

[frosty roost]

I have a weird one where slayer t-poses lmfao

[frail bloom]

doesn't need fixing

Perfect as is

[frosty roost]

samir have you seen it?

[frail bloom]

Yes

Main menu bug right

[frosty roost]

yup!

[frail bloom]

Oh also

[frosty roost]

bro's just asserting his dominance

[frail bloom]

Day 5 of asking for maykr drones and lost souls in the ripatorium

[elder raven]

was playing dark ages just now on my deck and i must have been using a not so great charger because ahzrak said “enough of this” during the enhanced boss fight and my steam deck turn off lmao

[versed quarry]

ID should add another really hard difficulty, where if you die even once it just bricks your PC

[fading bone]

speaking of which, aren't you supposed to be invulnerable while you're shield charging because you technically have your shield up? i shield charged ahzrak today and one of those red floaty guys was barely on the edge and i must have clipped him and that caused me to die im pretty sure

but i thought that shouldnt be possible

[fleet spruce]

Looks like the eldritch juice helped him for once

[iron kettle]

Did anyone else kinda forget the story while in the weird void place the celestial takes you to?

Its just so long without hearing anything from anyone and just killing every demon you see

[fading bone]

it lost me a few times on my first run through yeah

the cosmic realm definitely warped my brain quite a bit

[frail bloom]

I think that's the culprit honestly

The cosmic realm sections are awesome, but like nothing happens in the story regarding character growth or plot

[iron kettle]

Yeah

[fading bone]

good thing the story is the last thing on my list of importances while playing a doom game

[obsidian shard]

Ahzrak my goat for a reason

[errant osprey]

I'm guessing they'll add them after the DLC is released.
They'll add the Makers and Lost Souls after the new DLC demons are added to the Reptarium.

[frail bloom]

Maybe but won't stop me from asking

[flat elm]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Pinky_rider#Tactical_analysis
Wait, pinkies can use their claws? I never seen that

[frail bloom]

Also if the dark claw theory is correct hopefully they bring back other classic doom assets back to life

I'd dig a Banshee enemy

[warm ibex]

unfortunately I don't think it is

[frail bloom]

Not anymore?

[warm ibex]

but we'll see...

[frail bloom]

Did smt make you change your mind

[harsh egret]

btw midnight said in his last vid that the cyberdemon will get the ability to fly 😭

in the dlc

[frail bloom]

He either misinteprets a lot of things or the clickbait is getting out of hand

I feel like he's been doing this for too long tho

Like he has to know

[harsh egret]

it was after the outro when 95% of ppl clicked off the vid so i doubt he would deliberately lie about it

but ye idk

[frail bloom]

Well does he know now

[warm ibex]

While the Dark Claw is both a superhero and a long-standing weapon in Monster Hunter, I'm not sure if that would be enough to legally prevent them from using the name

[warm ibex]

I'll let him know

[harsh egret]

i left a comment at least

[frail bloom]

So why not smt like Doom claw

Or am I misunderstanding

Like uh why not change the name and functionality

[frosty pine]

They should bring back those creepy gargoyle heads that look stoned out of their mind

[frail bloom]

As switches

And I'd love those witch engravings too

I just played all through Doom zero, maybe have a demon witch

Instead of the cosmic one

[frosty pine]

They’re either doing that or they have their eyes closed and then they look like the speed gif

[frail bloom]

Mhm

[frosty pine]

I also want more doom 3 stuff back and some point

[frail bloom]

Same

Idk what tho

Maybe Doom 3's version of Hell

A Bruiser maybe

[frosty pine]

I want the main doomguy to fight the maledict

[frail bloom]

Maledict esque dragon

Ah yup

[meager vortex]

doom4 vanilla mod is good

[frosty pine]

Don’t bring betruger back tho Olivia’s already filled his niche

[brisk thorn]

for doom TDA, do u have any challenge to do?

[frail bloom]

There's mission challenges

[warm ibex]

the theory is based on the idea that the Dark Claw is legally unavailable, meaning that they would have to rename it. If Dark Claw is actually legally available then the theory is worthless

[frail bloom]

Ah I see

I'm gonna predict the Demonic crucible

[brisk thorn]

no that challenges, i talk about the extra mode that u can make a huge horde

[frail bloom]

We'll see what it actually is tho

[frail bloom]

Oh no, just play around, try out other ppls presets

There's a whole channel for it

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/RPNikwgksN0

[frail bloom]

"Yo bro this dlc better be another campaign" is like actually funny ngl

[elder raven]

i have connections to immora and will get you eviscerated off the face of the earth

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/7pZY3lkp2uw

[tidal crane]

Yeah no. New favourite part of TDA so far is the dragon.

[warm ibex]

got another one of those comments today lol

[frail bloom]

Ye I can't tell if they're exaggerating on purpose or they're that entitled

[iron kettle]

Shield and supershotgun are broken together, i can't remember the last time I swapped what gun im holding

[errant osprey]

So you feel like we're Dominic Crucible?

[warm ibex]

Absolutely not lol

[errant osprey]

The Demonic Crucible idea could be very interesting because it seems like Slayer used it at some point.
But from a gameplay perspective, since we saw something similar in Eternal, I think it's unlikely they'll add it back in Dark Ages unless they make some changes.

[frail bloom]

They're all not broken, they all just work with the shield

Ssg is a fan favorite so a ton of ppl use it

Even if it's not the best weapon

[iron kettle]

I mean, the shield is the best weapon, the ssg is close second tho

[frail bloom]

The shield is a mandatory mechanic, not exactly a choice

Your guns and melee are your choice

And they all have their perks, except the flail

F the flail

[iron kettle]

Wdym

[frail bloom]

Flail sucks

[obsidian shard]

Fuck you

[frosty pine]

The only games where the ssg was truly dominant were doom II and 2016

[frail bloom]

Hur hur hur

[obsidian shard]

It has like the Best animations and sounds ngl tho

[frail bloom]

Don't want splash damagh? Ssg. Crowd control? Ssg. Big damage, ssg

[iron kettle]

Its good for armor tho

[obsidian shard]

Like it's mid for damagez but awesome against Armor

[frail bloom]

Visually yes but mechanically it's useless

[frail bloom]

All 8 points of it from some zombie

It needs an armor regain buff

[obsidian shard]

Heyy it does area Damage

[frail bloom]

Miniscule

[potent parcel]

is it the horns? making him GOAT of all goats?

[frail bloom]

Idc abt its damage

But the only job it has, it sucks at it

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ryu-cyclops-dap-handshake-bro-gif-2291495389884054041

there's the jaygoat I know

[frail bloom]

Stick it to the man goat

[iron kettle]

Does the flail sit on his hip when hes not using it?

[frail bloom]

No. Idea

Where does he put all his guns??

We have no idea

[iron kettle]

Im just asking because im making his armor

And the flail, shield saw and super shotgun

Was gonna make the dreadmace but I don't know if the effort of painting it is worth it

[obsidian shard]

I Just go with the Portal to a pocket dimension theory

[iron kettle]

Cool, but i don't know where to put it on the cosplay

[obsidian shard]

I Would say Belt

You could have it along the Hip belt

[iron kettle]

Cool

And im gonna put magnets on the inside of the shield saw so it can go on my back

Now for the super shotgun

[obsidian shard]

NOW THATS PEAK

[alpine pilot]

[elder raven]

go ahead

ask

[iron kettle]

You know its gonna be bad when the game gives you 3 BFC rounds

[velvet parcel]

i bought this game when it came out but still havent played it

is it any good?

[obsidian shard]

Its VERY Good

My Favourite yet!

[velvet parcel]

the best doom game i played was doom 3 it was so scary i was in highschool at the time and never kept up with the dooms after that i was to scared

[obsidian shard]

All the Recent DOOM Games are Power Fantasies

although 2016 (and Dark Ages) has some "Scary" Stuff in em

[alpine pilot]

every new doom game was my favorite until a next one was released

[obsidian shard]

YAa pretty much lmoa

[marble tulip]

A horror game with the designs of current demons would be very scary

[obsidian shard]

Preach

[marble tulip]

I wonder if they'll ever dare to tell stories in the Codex with videos, Codex videos, lik doom 3

[obsidian shard]

That would be an interesting thing to do

[elder raven]

crackpot idea but a spinoff survival horror game taking place in the cosmic realm where you play as a sentinel whose entire crew died, and you have to explore the cosmic realm to find parts to get your ship back into a better condition, as you aimlessly try and find a way out back to argent d’nur. you’d fight a doom equivalent of the kraken, and maybe nyarlathotep would be involved. you’d hide in abandoned sentinel ships from cacos, barons, etc

[elder raven]

actually he would be very involved as you would find other sentinel ships that are in the cosmic realm’s seas, but upon closer inspection, every single crew member has been controlled/brainwashed by nyarlathotep and are just extensions of him

the game would also bring back 2016’s unique death animations and have a portion of your own ship dedicated to lore tidbits about the background of the cosmic realm that you’ll find across the map

background as in

1. creatures of the cosmic realm
2. origins of the cosmic realm
3. maps to hidden areas (think the kar’thul marshes’ trippy secrets)

and more

[marble tulip]

Peak idea

I wish the community wasn't so complaining because ID could do a lot of cool things but it seems they are afraid of what the community will say

[slender night]

I think Spectral Slayer likes your idea idk tho

Just a guess

[elder raven]

he might

im not sure

i hope he does

[frail bloom]

Why did Trav delete her youtube post talking abt the stream

I was looking forward to a vod, aw well

[thin hound]

Back in 2016, demon glory kill you!

[craggy jungle]

When’s the dlc coming

[elder raven]

tomorrow

there was a trailer earlier today if you didn’t see

everyone was going nuts lol

[craggy jungle]

Wait ACTULLY

[versed quarry]

Yeah it was insane

[craggy jungle]

Send it then

@versed quarry @elder raven

[versed quarry]

One second

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

FUCK

[thin hound]

I was just about to guess that

[craggy jungle]

Yeah

[versed quarry]

I thought it wouldn't embed

[craggy jungle]

I guessed that

[elder raven]

dude its online go check man

[versed quarry]

I messed up he knows

[thin hound]

Rick Astley is in every upcoming game it seems

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-please-speed-i-need-this-tired-blow-gif-15401023925154467112

[versed quarry]

How do you make sure that the link doesn't embed

[craggy jungle]

Any idea on the release

[frail bloom]

Doom the Dark ages dlc releases .-- .... . -. -.-- --- ..- --. . - .- .--- --- -...

It's just to avoid spoilers

Try to decode yourself

[versed quarry]

I saw this video speculating on the date https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XfELJU1mRMg

[frail bloom]

No no we have the actual date

I just have to not spoil

So it's in morse code

[versed quarry]

“We” as in you and the other ID software employees. You keep leaking everything.

[frail bloom]

Nuh uh!!!!

I'm a normie like you

[versed quarry]

Sure…

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-binh-gif-6142726653922245520

why would you do this?

[versed quarry]

Because it works

[tidal crane]

Been banging out doom the dark ages on hurt me plenty. I’ve gone 9 chapters without dying 💀

[versed quarry]

Flail is peak what the fuck are you talking by about

[frail bloom]

Copium

Imma mix flail amd copium

Flail-ium

[obsidian shard]

Thats what it is

Also Aura

[versed quarry]

Nah, flail is just the superior melee weapon

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/deimos-r6-siege-gif-6204485797971098070

[echo sail]

Ok I sure haven't played tda for like 5 months but I can assure everyone that's just ragebait

[versed quarry]

It’s not bait it’s just the objective truth

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

we must put an end to all these flail and mini turret copers

[versed quarry]

Flail and mini-turret are peak.

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-peace-gif-10549939500999441284

[green estuary]

exactly
who needs damage when you have aura

[versed quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249915579985301517/1465945840848867555/This_post_was_fact_checked_by_real_Demonic.gif

[fading bone]

no katsu don't encourage them...

[versed quarry]

He’s right

[green estuary]

I've been saying this for ages

the flail is the clear choice if you just wanna style on the demons

[versed quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-true-launch-the-true-doom-launch-the-true-gif-17039720600748597696

[obsidian shard]

Aura combo goes crazy (Auto turret is just good tho)

[versed quarry]

Flail is “just good tho” too.

[obsidian shard]

True

[potent parcel]

I love the flail, gimme that armour

[warm ibex]

I like that it instantly heats enemy armor

not that heating armor is a huge deal in the first place, but it's nice to be able to rely on a non shield/firearm related attack to break armor

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-leaning-lean-gif-3124430026211104672

[unkempt dragon]

stop with the gif spamming

[obsidian shard]

Hi LM

[unkempt dragon]

Hey Jay!

how're ya?

[obsidian shard]

Good, Tired but good!
How ya doing and how's life been?

[unkempt dragon]

life's been tiring also, but same as you. Things are looking up in Minneapolis and work is getting busy again which is good

[spark elm]

I still don’t remember where rebuild played since final battle had no ambience

[tender vessel]

It appears the game finally went on sale on Xbox so I purchased it since I had canceled game pass ultimate. This is definitely a good deal. It was hard to swallow more than 90 bucks for the premium edition I just couldn’t do it. Thanks for the sale Bethesda/ID/Microsoft whoever.

Now I don’t currently have to spend 1800 + on a new gaming laptop to enjoy this.

[fading bone]

im pinging this again because im curious if this is intended behavior or if it was a bug

[onyx mica]

After procrastinating for nearly a year because I didn't finish the Ancient Gods Pt. II and felt it wasn't right to move on to the prequel title, finished T.A.G. 2 and jumped right into TDA

Just finished TDA and man, that was a badass ride.

4 more difficulties to go gentlemen 🫡

[onyx mica]

As far as I can tell, you may be invulnerable to incoming projectiles but not environmental or AOE damage. I think I recall shield bashing through mancubus acid and taking damage, can't fully remember though since I haven't gotten killed by either of those

[fading bone]

oh maybe it was that red goo they leave on the ground then i forgot they leave that on the ground

that makes sense then

[onyx mica]

That's right, yeah. Always made sure to get real close and personal with the super shotgun to get rid of the threat

Awesome boss fight though, it was really fun

[fading bone]

well normally its good when he does that move since you can just shield throw them for free health, but i had him dazed so i just shield dashed him to execute it and i died while going into him somehow and i was like what the fuck

[onyx mica]

Rip, what difficulty run are you on?

[fading bone]

but i guess i ran over the red goo while on the way

nightmare

[onyx mica]

Neat, any life sigils during the fight?

[fading bone]

well im on my like 20th playthrough at this point haha im just practicing to do deathless runs

i just restart from checkpoint any time i die

that was a perfect azhrak outside of that lame death

[onyx mica]

Best of luck fellow Slayer 🫡

[fading bone]

thank you king

[swift tree]

Im thinking of maxing my sliders out when i go for pandemonium after i beat nightmare. Im also thinking of personally naming max sliders hell incarnate if it doesnt already have a name.

Any tips thatd keep me from losing my mind?

[fading bone]

dont max slider

thats the only tip i can give

it looks like absolute masochism

[swift tree]

Doom eternal was slow as hell on nightmare for me, i tried dark ages maxed for fun and it actually seems like it can be Fun, i just need to know if theres any small little bugs i can use to cheese it a little

[fading bone]

cheese what?

[swift tree]

The gameplay, like the Iframes a chainsaw gave in eternal, or glory kills im earlier titles.

Use mechanics in ways they werent supposed to be used.

[fading bone]

oh. there isnt really much of that in dark ages

theres some skips you can do with shield dashing that make you fly across the map

[swift tree]

Im still 100% my first save on UV so i havent seen anything

[swift tree]

I dont want speedrun skips lol, neat fact tho

[fading bone]

yeah there isnt really any animation canceling or anything in dark ages

[swift tree]

Other than the block to recall shield i havent seen anything. But ig i can do some stress testing with the slider levels, theres bound to be a bug somewhere at 250% game speed lmao

[fading bone]

150% is the highest

[swift tree]

Proof i havent messed with the sliders much XD

[fading bone]

but there isnt really much of anything

the only bugs you get at max sliders is parry bugs that only hurt you

where it doesnt block when it should

[swift tree]

Even better, because parry window will be at 1 pip 💪

Either way, ive always made it my goal to casual max mode on all the doom games, TDA wont be an exception.

[fading bone]

better? i mean like the parrying bugs out at 150% sometimes and it doesnt actually parry when it should

[swift tree]

It was sarcastic, sometimes I forget cadence doesnt transfer through text

[fading bone]

ah

but yeah lowest parry window should honestly have been the default for nightmare in this game. anything higher is just way too easy

but the damage sliders getting maxed is just absolute hell to play with. ill never bother messing with those

you just deal no damage

[swift tree]

The only enemy that regularly drops me to low health is the vagary. I cant counter him for my life

[swift tree]

Oh yeah, slayer damage slider will be at minimum too

[frosty pine]

Here’s a horrific idea when it comes to the dlc

Since they mentioned the slayers past

What if in one way or another he ends up on Phobos

And he finds his own body in the area where Phobos anomaly took place in

[fading bone]

heatblast spam is best vs him

[swift tree]

Didnt they mention something about the dlc being a prequel? Or am i just schizo?

[frosty pine]

Nah but there are going to be bits calling back to doomguys past

[swift tree]

So memorize enemy spawns like DE? Got it.

[fading bone]

well even if you dont memorize then you can just switch to the accelerator when you see one spawn

[swift tree]

Am i a monster for hoping they show him coming back to his dead rabbit? They could have a field day with that kind of a flashback. Visualize the rage empowering his body and such

[frosty pine]

Guess what

[swift tree]

I gotta learm more about the electric weapons then

[frosty pine]

Hugo likes to drop hints relating to dlc in the streams right

And the one he had for the Id software 30th anniversary one was

“Daisy”

[swift tree]

He had a conversation with someone about daisy and that theyd be of massive lore relevance.

I know that much

Its why i have that crackpot theory

Just the DLC opens like The last of us XD

[fading bone]

the plasma guns are both very good yeah. accelerator is single highest DPS for early game and then continues to be good throughout vs vagaries. and cyler is just one of the best guns in the game

[fleet spruce]

that's an interesting idea for sure

thinking outside the box right here

I personally was thinking that we'd get a Hell on Earth flashback with his whole family and pet massacred

[marble tulip]

We are in the past of the Slayer

[fading bone]

they mentioned we would see something from even more in the past

[marble tulip]

[harsh egret]

what if we get a playable flashback

[fleet spruce]

That'll be really cool ngl, to see the first earth invasion in HD would be an experience

[marble tulip]

[unreal terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-6891886407904187638

[maiden onyx]

Lads. I’ve got a hypothetical proposition.

When valen resurrects the slayer. What if instead of dark ages slayer coming out of the coffin. It’s the Ancient Gods one?

What do you think he’s gonna do? Anything differently?

[marble tulip]

I realize that the sounds you hear when hitting an enemy with melee attacks are the sound of a bag of chips being crushe

[marble tulip]

Q

[unreal terrace]

I think he'd be pretty mad, because now he's stuck in an infinite loop

[elder raven]

every day we get closer to the dlc

[foggy jasper]

Or maybe we are trapped in a eternal loop of waiting

Doomed to never play the DLC

[maiden onyx]

That’d be so jokes that no matter what he tries he keeps ending up in the damn coffin

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-coffin-dance-funeral-funny-farewell-gif-16737844

doomed coffin

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/coffin-dance-doom-demons-gif-19053427

[marble tulip]

I hope it doesn't disappoint me (it's going to disappoint me)

Or well, in the lore part...

I've lost all hope that they'll show cool things if they didn't even show much in the base game

[slender night]

I was super happy with the base game and think it was a huge upgrade over Eternal so I'm personally not worried about the DLC

[ocean ore]

Next time he has to go thru hell he ends up later found by Noah and the nephilim and such ☠️👽

[fading bone]

who the hell cares about the lore during a doom game

just FUCK shit up

[foggy jasper]

There is only one thing you must do

Rip and tear

Until it is done

[marble tulip]

Half of the fandom

You're not in the 90s anymore

If you don't like it, you should shut up and just play the game

[fading bone]

the only thing that matters is the rule of cool

[obsidian shard]

It's why Dark Ages is more cinematic, A LOT of people like it

[fading bone]

if it looks cool af then thats all that matters

i also like the lore and think its neat but if it ends up sucking in the dlc i couldnt care less as long as the gameplay rips

(and tears)

[obsidian shard]

Considering they have time to write this time around, I believe they will do good!

[quasi forum]

There’s a dlc??

[fading bone]

there will be yes

[quasi forum]

Yooooo peakkk

[obsidian shard]

Yes

We have Tons of info already

[fading bone]

the dark ages lore was quite fun, but the TAG1/2 stuff was a bit too much and i wasnt a fan of some things. thankfully the game is still peak

[marble tulip]

https://tenor.com/vhwd2wM458H.gif

[fading bone]

im sorry if my dissatisfaction with some of the lore causes you rage

[marble tulip]

Your comment makes me angry...

[marble tulip]

.

[marble tulip]

.

[fading bone]

i mean yeah its doom. i wanna run around fucking shit up as the slayer

im sure the dlc lore will be good since i liked it in the base game but if its not then oh well not important

[nimble mason]

i have 2 steam achievements that are broken, berserker and melee expert

is there a fix or way to get them

[fading bone]

what do you mean broken

[nimble mason]

ive unlocked everything required for both melee expert and berserker, but didnt get the achievement

[foggy fable]

A game can have both a good story and good gameplay, and when it has both it truly shines

[marble tulip]

[ocean ore]

Yeah... like.... Half Life

[dusk robin]

here's a fun thought, what real life weapons would Doomguy use instead of the guns we know in game. I'd think he'd use an M107A1 as a sidearm as a start.

[marble tulip]

Chainsaw

A gun

I don't know about guns

[ocean ore]

an m107 is a 50 cal sniper lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_Mark_23 this is a pretty doomguy pistol starter

[dusk robin]

I would have picked the Desert Eagle or any other hand cannon

[ocean ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLxMlL333_Y this gun would have to make it in for sure

[dusk robin]

the M249 would replace the heavy machine gun

[green estuary]

The SSG in TDA is actually fairly close to this in terms of power, interestingly enough
It uses shells roughly comparable to 4-gauge in conventional measurements, which normally can put out 6000+ foot-pounds of muzzle energy, compared to a 700 nitro express’s 9000 foot-pounds
Add both barrels firing simultaneously and the fact that sentinel technology likely has made the shells even more powerful, then he’s basically wielding a 700 nitro double barrel with one hand

[frail bloom]

Ye they're trying to focus on allowing the story to breathe and not cramming events for fan service. If that dissapoints you, then too bad.

At most we'll see the Slayer hunting the high council, meeting the Wretch for the first time, and the Nekravol discovery

More than enough for a dlc expansion

[warm ibex]

hold on a damn minute

[frail bloom]

I said at most

Not at least

Just so you know

[warm ibex]

not what I'm talking about

[frail bloom]

Alr what is it

[warm ibex]

actually wait a minute

[frail bloom]

Sure

[warm ibex]

I'm trying to figure this out.

Hugo mentioned that the Order of the Six and the High Council are the same thing. One of our first major dlc hints was that we may be hunting down the high council (aka the order of the six) in TDA's dlc. This does kinda line up with the codex entry that reveals the discovery of nekravol, since the Sentinels were on an unknown mission in the area that the order resides

"It was on a mission deep within the boiling seas of the nether realm, where the Order of the Six reside, that a company of Night Sentinels learned of the Khan Maykr's true dealings with the callous beasts."

But thinking about it... would this even make sense? Are the Sentinels even using Argent energy at this point in the story? Is that blue energy Argent or is it just generic Sentinel energy?

If the blue energy is Argent, then we can probably expect the Nekroval discovery in the DLC. If it's not Argent then the discovery wouldn't make any sense

[frail bloom]

@young schooner

No idea here

[young schooner]

I'll comment in #the-codex.

[tough wing]

Hi yall quick question is mantle warping fixed or do i need less fps to do it?

[obsidian shard]

fairly certian its fixed

i believe it was Update 1 or 2 they fixed it

[tough wing]

Damn that explains why i couldnt skip the || BFC ||

Well atleast i skipped the rest of the guns : (

[obsidian shard]

How did you skip the other guns?

[tough wing]

I used wemod on high movement

I basically went outside of the maps borders on the weapon section

Like the grenade launcher section, with the high movement i went backwards and ended outside the maps and skipped it

[obsidian shard]

How are you going to beat the game?

ie Kreed fight

[tough wing]

Yeah thats only problem of the run, so since i couldnt warp , the wemod has a break shields option , so the shotgun breaks the plasma barriers

other issue is the hell maps have really high borders those we're tricky to jump

[fading bone]

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxGBlLnURFfmn677qk0ht-5Oo-RthLdhEp?si=hL0nnvl8rRElelTu

the best speedrunner crashing tf out

[obsidian shard]

What is he talking about??

I Do agree Dark Ages needs an update soon-ish as its been like 4 months since the last one, Just a Bug fixing update would be great

Tho the Bugs he is talking about I've NEVER Heard of

[willow beacon]

They are probably speedrunning exclusive bugs

iD sometimes like to remove bugs that literally only affect speedrunners

[obsidian shard]

ya, No offense to the Speedrunners, but Eternal Suffered alot with the casual audience because of speedrunners

[willow beacon]

wdym

[obsidian shard]

id doesnt want that this time around,
The game should be revolved around the casual audience first, then the Speedrunners

[green estuary]

dude needs to take a break lol

[obsidian shard]

TAG, Both have REALLY poor balancing issues

(Too Hard-Too Easy)

[green estuary]

bro has been grinding the game nonstop for like 9 months atp

[willow beacon]

It's not they aren't focusing on the casual audience, it's that they ignore bugs that affect everyone and the general playerbase, then target super niche tech/bugs that ONLY affect speedrunners

[green estuary]

if I played a game an average of 6 hours a day for 9 months I'd crash out too

[fading bone]

yeah he needs a break lol

[willow beacon]

That's not them focusing on speedrunners

and tag1 isn't too hard, it's supposed to be a step up from the base game

[green estuary]

I don't think the dlcs suffered because of the playerbase, I think a lot of their flaws came down to id doubling down on aspects of the game that aren't particularly pleasant

[fading bone]

there are some pretty frustrating bugs in the game tho. ive had the shield disappearing one quite a few times now

[green estuary]

I mean I can't really hold it against them, because I maybe encounter one bug that requires me to reload checkpoint in an entire 22-chapter run

usually not even that

like in my whole 300% damage UN run, I literally encountered one singular bug

just one

[obsidian shard]

At launch there was huge thing over the Difficulty of the DLC's

[fading bone]

i mean theres also the thing where you parry but still take damage

[green estuary]

but I'm sure if you're playing the same campaign a million times over I guess a singular bug becomes infuriating

[fading bone]

which happens quite frequently

[willow beacon]

The main problem is that people hadn't played eternal in a bit because it had been a few months, so they are rusty and not using all their tools then try to go straight back into a more challenging version of the game while they are playing worse

[obsidian shard]

But like Katsu, if your playing the same game for 6 hours a day for 9 months, the same bug is gonna annoy tf out you

And as I said, It's been 4 months since the last update

Tho id is hard at work on the DLC so I understand that

[warm ibex]

I hope the next bug fix comes sooner rather than later

there's still some bugs left over from the weapon swap speed increase update

[obsidian shard]

Agreed

I'm not expecting anything for another 1-2 months tho but only time will tell

[warm ibex]

march update wouldn't surprise me

[elder raven]

how about an april update?

[warm ibex]

how about dlc next week

[elder raven]

dlc in 5 picoseconds 🆘

[warm ibex]

Hey man, March 10th and May 7th is all I'm saying

[elder raven]

why march 10th?

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

[elder raven]

fair

[slender night]

Mario day

[harsh egret]

april fools update: the dlc will show up on the main menu but when u play it its just doom 1

[frail bloom]

Call me out on this but speedrunners always look sorta miserable idk

[slender night]

Peak update?

[frail bloom]

Like call me wrong, but

[elder raven]

i hope so

[frail bloom]

It just feels like nonstop grinding just to decrease your time by 3 seconds

Like where's the fun, do you have fun

[elder raven]

you have to beat it only using fists on nightmare

[frail bloom]

Genius idea

[elder raven]

and every demon is replaced by a chaingunner, revenant, pain elemental, lost soul, or cyberdemon (1% chance)

only then will you be able to play the dlc

[harsh egret]

holy

[frail bloom]

I might not play the dlc then vro

[elder raven]

and then theres no dlc its doom 2 but with everything else i said

[harsh egret]

hugo write this down

[warm ibex]

since the classic trilogy takes place relatively close to TDA and Hell (at least to my knowledge) doesn't use UAC tech in the original games, I would honestly love to see updated classic demons that use the medieval hell tech from TDA since that's what they would technically be using during the classic invasion

[frail bloom]

Ok this is what I was hoping for before release

I used the exact same reasoning

Like say, this type of demon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1472676190316793907/1769219713736.png?ex=69937014&is=69921e94&hm=3c967340dc8c9bf60d2f903b74cd01a8efacb8ae4bdedb90579ed62d3c4ceaa8&

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/archvile-intro-doom-eternal-demon-gif-16987418

[frail bloom]

ofc the random archvile gif

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

Wait my example is buns

Try this

[meager vortex]

imagine after dlc realese ripatorium2.0 add archvile

[warm ibex]

begging id software to put the cover art demons in the dlc (or the next medieval game at the very least). they're ALL OVER the sentinel codex sketches in Eternal

PLEASE id software...

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[frail bloom]

PLEASE

[frail bloom]

They could have the same body phsyique as the gargoyles

[elder raven]

probably not the best idea but:

in classic doom, pinkies were referred to as ‘demons.’ obviously, we’re more accustomed to them being named pinky. maybe these guys should take up that name?

[frail bloom]

They def fit within the aesthetic if you try enough

[warm ibex]

I have hope. Prior to TDA I felt like they would probably never bring the classic Imps back

[frail bloom]

Imp stalker is like one of my fav designs I'd fight like 30 of those if I could

[elder raven]

in the game right?

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-arnie-gif-13640638

[frail bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256262535385190433/1472676807818874911/1769217552596.png?ex=699370a7&is=69921f27&hm=61e6fa33adfc25eb19999b2d38fae790d1bcabd6c02a4c344a09b43caf903d7d&

Then ofc an Archvile. I'm biased so I'd like the classic one the most

[slender night]

Everyone talks about how they were named 'demons' and how bad of a name it was but I haven't seen anybody mention the awful fan name of 'pig' 💔

[frail bloom]

I'm drawing up the pain elemental rn

Mix of cosmic and 64

What do y'all think, cosmic and 64 fit?

[frail bloom]

Call them "Daemons"

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/tcG8RsSgIsJ.gif

[frail bloom]

Just distinguish the name just a little

[meager vortex]

well i think i must new game doom the dark ages again

[versed quarry]

At this point why not just bring the classic Hell knight designs back

[warm ibex]

I was hoping tda would do that as well

I do expect to see significantly stronger hell knights in the next game

hoping for them to be very high tier heavy demons bare minimum, wouldn't mind having gladiators (minus the gear) as the smallest super heavy

[versed quarry]

Yeah they could just retool the gladiator model

[warm ibex]

could also use this concept design from Eternal if they want to keep them as heavies https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1472680901711237180/image.png?ex=69937478&is=699222f8&hm=228be10b99bcf62e626faa24e1e73e501ae15e80431d43c97660796c9fd38278

[nimble mason]

thats sick

[frail bloom]

I feel like I just wanna fight these exact types of enemies instead of the bald one, it's run its course

Or we can have both but would id have both

I say why not

[warm ibex]

I fully agree that the bald knights have run their course. At launch they were almost fodder

[frail bloom]

I just wish we had a middle ground ngl

I had too much high expectations for them to have multiple variants of the same enemy

[warm ibex]

which is why I think they'll be much stronger in the next game. Hell Knights are slipping into bland territory, so they'll improve them in the future no doubt

[elder raven]

i like it

[frail bloom]

Ye and if they decide to change it up, they could try the classic knight. It also makes sense to go this way so we can find out how the gladiator got entrapped, would be a cool easter egg or lore point

One of the Deag's trap a Hell knight and voila millions of years later we are fighting that same hell knight

[warm ibex]

I think it's probably much more than just a hell knight

[frail bloom]

It is I'd say

But clearly it is some sort of Hell knight

I'd say he got stronger over time

His backround is kinda vague

He's an abnormal but I have no idea if he's been abnormal even before he was the Deag's guardian

[warm ibex]

the knights are described as the gladiators of Hell's arenas, so I'd imagine that Eternal's Gladiator was one of, if not THE strongest Hell Knight at the time of its capture

[frail bloom]

Perfect, Hell knight boss

I think it would be cool to see him, we don't have to fight him really

[warm ibex]

this is getting into codex channel type talk, so to tie it back into TDA, I would love to see the original knights added as dlc enemies. I think that would satisfy those who wanted a traditional Baron while also making up for the current knights being extremely weak by default

[frail bloom]

Ye I'd def be more than ok with a classic knight, it's essentially the same thing

[supple oracle]

what if the stream next week, hugo said "DLC IS COMING Tomorrow Surprise", that would be funny, Mhhmhm TAG 2

[frail bloom]

One's red and one's tan

What makes them cool together is their biblical goat like design

We need more demons like that

[frail bloom]

I'd be not happy.

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-ancient-gods-tag2-doom-gif-24582213

[supple oracle]

But mostly gonna be mid of May, I would say 15 may

[supple oracle]

TOMORROW!!!!!!

[warm ibex]

I do wonder if we'll ever get any trailer or expansion release date info from the streams

[frail bloom]

I just can't see that happening idk

[harsh egret]

i feel like its kind of a red flag if it gets announced for exactly a year after tda released, cuz that means they probably had an internal deadline of one year and idk if i like that

[frail bloom]

Not trying to pass it off but like is that a thing they'll say outright

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/hugo-martin-doom-eternal-dark-ages-happy-yay-gif-13218051490774665565

[warm ibex]

Hugo did say that they'll try to get something "official" that they can share soon. but that's probably like concept art or somethin

[fleet spruce]

"guys check the Bethesda channel tonight"

[frail bloom]

Oh uh did?

Like visual?

[frosty roost]

????

[supple oracle]

Maybe we get trailer in March, saying based how they marketing TAG 1, release a trailer in augest and release the dlc in October

[frail bloom]

Wait what stream

Sorry for asking

[fleet spruce]

joke playing into the stream teasers lmao

[warm ibex]

for once i can give a timestamp. let me go grab that really quick

[harsh egret]

Hugo said that also on the stream when they showed the first concept art

[warm ibex]

true lol

[harsh egret]

and they showed nothing since

[supple oracle]

Small teaser would be awesome

[frail bloom]

Ye I thought we were gonna get one every 2 weeks

[harsh egret]

but im also cool with all the other info we got

[frail bloom]

Imagine that timeline

Atp the whole dlc would've been shared

[frosty roost]

I have a definite feeling they're hiding a lot of shit from us, so that's why he's not showing it

[frail bloom]

So I'm glad we went with word teasers

[harsh egret]

and ive said before, maybe at this point its better to not have much more shown and revealed before the trailer and release

[elder raven]

they’ve revealed so much yet its gonna be insane when it comes out

[supple oracle]

Teaser trailer

[harsh egret]

yeees

like they did for eternal way back

[frail bloom]

Teaser trailers are like 30 sec long

[harsh egret]

but for the dlc this time

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/new-tardis-mod-gif-2427838661108834083

[supple oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5XhV3YarKg

[harsh egret]

smth small

[supple oracle]

Something like that

[frail bloom]

Imma rewatch this

[elder raven]

imo like the khan maykr tease a week or two ago makes me think its right around the corner

[crude sparrow]

the word teasers are amazing because on their own they dont tell us anything but once the dlc comes out everything will suddenly make sense xD

[harsh egret]

the eternal base game teaser trailer was hype asf

i want smth like that

[frosty roost]

I remember the tda teaser was like 5 seconds long?

[frail bloom]

What

[frosty roost]

the one with the shotgun?? from last year??

[warm ibex]

https://youtu.be/6wjN8IEw-Xs?t=5546 "and uh yeah, we'll try to get you more information. OFFICIAL information about the dlc. But that's it, Khan Maykr is the word of the day"

[harsh egret]

i dont think there was any teaser for tda

[crude sparrow]

there was a whole reveal trailer wdym

[supple oracle]

cinematic one in 2018 omg that shit was peak

[frosty roost]

oh I have fucking boomer eyes.. ignore me lmfao

[elder raven]

i miss the eternal hype train

[harsh egret]

yuuup

[frosty roost]

i thought there was a teaser

[frail bloom]

Stressed the word official hmmmm

Official meaning visual??

[harsh egret]

as if the khan maykr announcement wasnt official

[frail bloom]

They're all official but

[warm ibex]

I think he just means like legit stuff, not just word teasers

[harsh egret]

ik just the way he says it

[warm ibex]

yea lol

[frail bloom]

What would be legit doe

[harsh egret]

concept art

[warm ibex]

concept art yeah

[frail bloom]

Ye so visual

[harsh egret]

but nothing too big

[supple oracle]

Key art of the dlc

[harsh egret]

like some small random environment or smth again

[frail bloom]

Oh my god YES

[supple oracle]

With release date on it

[harsh egret]

lmao

[elder raven]

it would be the funniest thing to ever happen if hugo/josh leaked a little of the dlc on stream by showing concept art on accident or something

[frail bloom]

The key art would make the most sense

[harsh egret]

"oh shit that was supposed to be for next month"

[warm ibex]

the e3 2018 (rip) and QC 2018 eternal reveals were the most excited I've ever been in my entire life

[supple oracle]

OMG DUDE, I missed it because of fucking work

[elder raven]

i miss the eternal hype train so much because the wait between tag 1 and 2 was crazy times to be a doom fan

[warm ibex]

HOPEFULLY by thomas elliot again. his TDA main key art is my favorite in the franchise

[supple oracle]

Damn I was 17 back then crazy LOL

[elder raven]

i remember when josh accidentally name dropped escalation encounters during the taras nabad ml

[frail bloom]

I can just see the Archvile posing in the backround

[harsh egret]

and they better, THEY BETTER have the archvile intro cutscene from eternal in this dlc

[frail bloom]

Ahhh muh god

High council in the back fading

[elder raven]

no no no

[frail bloom]

Mhm have an Archvile champion

He does the thing

[elder raven]

high council in the back like the khan maykr is in the eternal art

[frail bloom]

That's what I meant

[warm ibex]

if they do archvile champions then I'm willing to bet money they'll recreate the Eternal QC2018 intro lol

[elder raven]

nop

[frail bloom]

So much potential aaahhhh

[supple oracle]

Ngl, last stream nugget was kinda disappointed, DAISY DUHHHH

[frail bloom]

Nah wdym it was super surprising

[elder raven]

i respectfully disagree because that daisy tease could mean actually anything

[frail bloom]

I never expected Daisy

[harsh egret]

yeah i think they know people are pissed it didnt make it to the final game

[elder raven]

all signs point towards flashback scene/level

[harsh egret]

it was so peak

[frail bloom]

Ahhhh I need it so baaad

[warm ibex]

I agree with @wintry forge that the daisy teaser would've been better as a surprise

if it comes down to it, I would rather them stop doing weekly dlc teasers instead of confirming big reveals

[supple oracle]

About the daisy, I don't know about it until doom eternal DUDE

[frail bloom]

Ye I'd agree

[harsh egret]

agreed

[frail bloom]

Ig they're doing it bc they're trying to keep the fanbase satiated

[supple oracle]

I think they should do that with gameplay stuff more

[frail bloom]

Ye save the story stuff