the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

They aren't seamless tho

It's seperated into two parts

[harsh egret]

i dont remember seamless maps mentioned anywhere

[frail bloom]

He's saying it's post tda

Of some long interview

I haven't watched it yet

[grim cloud]

I htink it is this one on youtube: Inside Doom: The Dark Ages - Creating id Tech 8 - Interview With id Software

[frail bloom]

And cool

[harsh egret]

i think theres some misintepretation here or smth but @grim cloud if u can find that lmk

[grim cloud]

its over a hour long

[random sand]

True

[frail bloom]

Kinda like E33 where you walk on huge maps

[grim cloud]

lots of good id tech stuff in there, esp if you modder

[frail bloom]

And enter through arenas there

[harsh egret]

well ive watched that vid and i havent heard anything about seamless levels in that sense

[grim cloud]

tbh i need to listen to it again, but i do remember the main guy hinting on what comes next (in terms of engine improvements)

[harsh egret]

either way i dont think theres gonna be major upgrades to the engine in time for the dlc

[random sand]

Oh now i got an idea. Since doom slayer has the maykr ship now, you could maybe traverse the map using that and then move to the level you wanna launch to

[frail bloom]

Ye horde had that theory for months

"Abt the same theory"

Relatively close

[grim cloud]

yah they will jsut push idtech8 as far as they can for the dlc

[frail bloom]

It might be a mission select tho

[random sand]

It would be sick. Especially considering how we'll most likely be hunting the high council of hell in the dlc. Imagine it being sorta like assassin's creed there you pick your target and go through hell (literally) to kill them and then move on to the next

[frail bloom]

Ye that's the theory

Ofc there's some slight hiccups

Like how it would affect the story

I haven't seen id make a non linear story before

Would the way the missions are chosen affect the narrative at all?

[frosty roost]

that's basically in like eternal right?

[grim cloud]

mega man style missions, pick your robot master demon lord

do i need the imp stalker statue? i fear my kids will break it like my gaming heads baalgar

god its huge, over 2 feet?

[random sand]

It has a hub area but you don't move around with it. You just use the teleporter there

[frosty roost]

ohhh I see, yeah that'd be sick in the dlc!

[random sand]

They could just do so some are available at once and once you take those out you move on to the rest. So i suppose a bit more like ghost of yotei than assassin's creed

[fierce steeple]

DLC reveal in ten minutes

Source is pure cope

[frail bloom]

Why does the lego batman game require rtx

That one game we were joking abt at the game awards

[warm ibex]

I think it was a few weeks ago that I mentioned believing that the game will have a troublesome launch

we'll see though. not necessarily a convo for this chat either way I guess

[frail bloom]

I said it here bc I knew you would pop up here when it's mentioned

[random sand]

@frail bloom so about that ost tierlist. best tierlist i can find without making one myself only has 2016 and eternal. can't find any tda

[frail bloom]

Ok I can see that for now, and you'll make a seperate one for dark ages, pretend the tiers are relative to each other

So Cultist base on A is the same as Blood Red on A

[random sand]

that works

[warm ibex]

fair enough lmao

[random sand]

i'll do tda first since that one's the biggest and i'm short on time

[frail bloom]

Oh no rush, I just don't see ppl doing many tierlists

[random sand]

and it's the one i currently have opened up

[frail bloom]

I have a weird fixation on tier lists

[random sand]

dw, so do i

[frail bloom]

They're just so interesting idk

[languid schooner]

Any recommended guides/tutorials for Ultra-nightmare?

[random sand]

it's fun to see people agree with you and funny to laugh at atrocious ones

[frail bloom]

Play the game on harder sliders, then play on base UN

[frail bloom]

Ye that's the charm that I love abt them

[frail bloom]

I played on max sliders, then when I attempted un, I did it all in one go in one day with basically no trouble

Just become one with the game

[heady trout]

did someone say Tierlist

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1462573751911710923/my-image_1_2.png?ex=6970a9b3&is=696f5833&hm=cf53a5d78153da82da6efeb37dae9c74599a7fe3ca9708c45c04f096282c4196&

[frail bloom]

Boiiiii

Lemme see here

You hate lost souls??? Blasphemous

Cancelled

Lost souls in orange for me

I'd put vagary in the red tier

Love them to death

Pinky riders also in red

I love killing them too

I'd put the old one in the slog tier

[warm ibex]

pinky riders are one of my favorite enemies in the entirety of doom

[frail bloom]

They're kinda unique

You take down the rider and the ai acts differently after

I want more enemies like that

[warm ibex]

it's so cool to have a standard heavy demon with two phases

[frail bloom]

Cool for id to expand on that type of ai

[warm ibex]

also the best pinky design by a mile imo

[frail bloom]

I'd agree with that

Although he isn't as scary as I used to think he was

The reveal trailer and xbox screenshot leak made me gulp

If any og's remember that

[hazy pasture]

That one Abyssal Forest ss

[frail bloom]

Anyways, all the dragon ai enemies are in f tier

[frail bloom]

YUP

Didn't he look huge

He looked huge as hell

[hazy pasture]

I wish Pinky had more varieties of attacks in the second phase

[warm ibex]

I think the lack of jumping in the trailers/screenshots made it look more intimidating

he kinda loses that stature when you can just about leap over him in game lol

[hazy pasture]

He did look crispy in the ss

[frail bloom]

Maybe also the contrast?

[hazy pasture]

Yeah

[frail bloom]

He looked rugged as hell

But now the game looks much smoother

And I play in 120 fov so everything looks smaller

Ye there's a lot of factors I can see why

Hats off to id if they make a demon that scares me no matter how good I am

[hazy pasture]

I forced myself to run through Eternal's horde mode yesterday

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/flightreacts-reaction-flight-reacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-gif-14526489174047821058

[frail bloom]

It ain't that bad

[warm ibex]

imo it really is

[hazy pasture]

I still find it way too meh

[frail bloom]

The arenas in between are a lil time consuming

[green estuary]

it's the same exact enemy formation every time you play
it 100% is

[frail bloom]

Oh I know

I just like that specific formation

[warm ibex]

is it bad in general? no, it's still doom eternal, so it's better than most things on the market. but by eternal standards, it's the worst thing the game has to offer imo

very pleased with the ripatorium in comparison

[frail bloom]

I can agree with that

[hazy pasture]

True

[frail bloom]

Although the ripatorium could use some extra maps

[gusty seal]

mmoooo

[warm ibex]

I think we'll get those

[frail bloom]

A lot of the encounters are getting to feel kinda samey

And that's just the arena choice if anything

[warm ibex]

after dlc enemies and more maps are added I think the ripatorium will feel a lot better. not that it doesn't feel great as is

[hazy pasture]

Abyssal Keep would be coolio

[frail bloom]

No don't get me wrong it's immensely fun

But I really wanna capitalize on it, it's such a promising game mode

[hazy pasture]

Two archviles across the very ends of Harbor of Souls...

[frail bloom]

I'd LOVE to add him to my encounter day 1

[hazy pasture]

Same

[frail bloom]

And make a quick animation hehe

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-archvile-gif-19817628

[green estuary]

hugo we need that master campaign with dlc enemies

[hazy pasture]

I wanna be ragebaited by him so bad

[warm ibex]

very very very interested in seeing how master levels/campaign is handled

[frail bloom]

When the trailer drops, they'll reveal the archie design and I'll get to work on the trailer right away lmao

Get a jump start before any of you

But damn I'd like to know what arenas they'll add too

My plan is flawed

[frail bloom]

Can he be like terrifying too

[hazy pasture]

Make him as obscure as the classic one

[frail bloom]

Part of it is the sound design they need to nail his sound

[hazy pasture]

I kinda don't wanna see him as a cosmic variant

[frail bloom]

Most of the superheavies sound kinda mid except the vagary

Idk their roars are undistinguishable

[frail bloom]

Agreed

[hazy pasture]

Yeah ig

[frail bloom]

But the archvile has this shrill battle cry

Wait I mixed my modern version a while back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1449445444999712901/InShot_20251207_141145889.mp4?ex=697105c3&is=696fb443&hm=cbe4dfd632aba444ab73b599903548f88e8074569bcf84b8e6ebe734a98f9d05&

[obsidian shard]

Mancubus needs its own tier ngl

[frail bloom]

I basically mixed classic and eternal's together

Came out pretty well

[hazy pasture]

Looks pretty cool

[frail bloom]

You mean sounds?

Lol

[hazy pasture]

Yeah yeah

[frail bloom]

Yeah if I heard that I'd go uh oh

I don't think any demon makes a battle cry when they spawn in this game

Except imps I think

[hazy pasture]

Yeah

[frail bloom]

I could be wrong

Ofc they added the cries for the blood mayker and cursed prowler on tag bc those were enemies you had to address in combat immediately

[hazy pasture]

"I love blasting your arms off so that you can become a friendo"

[frail bloom]

So I'd imagine the same for the archvile

[hazy pasture]

Fuck those prowlers

[frail bloom]

Atleast it's what I'd imagine they'd do

[hazy pasture]

Mfs ruin my UN run everytime

[frail bloom]

Fr

[hazy pasture]

Yeah like wdym let me just hammer that marauder

[frail bloom]

You can, just set him up first

Then once cycle him

[hazy pasture]

I know that

[frail bloom]

Ik but I had to

[hazy pasture]

But mf cursed me mid air

[frail bloom]

I had to🤓 🤓 ☝️

[hazy pasture]

Aight brotatochip

[frail bloom]

Oh you mean while being cursed

You can't hammer while cursed??

[hazy pasture]

Nah

[hazy pasture]

I think you can

[frail bloom]

Ok I was abt to say

[hazy pasture]

But the game glitched out

[frail bloom]

How much new enemies do you think they'll add this time

Wait we had this convo before

Man I'm going in loops

[harsh egret]

they gonna show a cool intro cutscene of him just to remove it when the dlc ships

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-5099501693730168061

[frail bloom]

This time I'd just like them to keep it

I'd imagine they won't move things around so much

[harsh egret]

i want more demon intro cutscenes

[frail bloom]

Can a man dream for his demon introductions to make a return

Best we got is the champion and boss introductions and then a one off hell knight introduction

If you would call it that

Weird little cutscene

[harsh egret]

i want demon intros like for the imp in 2016

for like every demon xd

[frail bloom]

Yea why not

They take up like 10 seconds max

Sorry speedrunners

[thin hound]

Also the pinky rider leader, a lot in Hebeth I guess

[frail bloom]

Oh true true

[random sand]

@frail bloom finally completed that tda ost tierlist. it'll have to do for now. i'm tired as hell and wanna go to bed. how did you say i post pics here?

does this do it?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715577075041304630/1463307025147494421/4nxYFQAAAAZJREFUAwB0W3gBojdenAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg.png?ex=69715a5d&is=697008dd&hm=8b33642558d702d2aef991422a4f7fa7736a48d9f1a3ef735308919d48522afb&

ah, yeah there we go

[obsidian shard]

Could you uhhh DM me the link?

[random sand]

Sure, any particular reason?

Can't you see the image?

[obsidian shard]

I wanna make one lol

and Vega will probaly delete the link

[random sand]

Ah, to the tierlist. Sure, one second

[obsidian shard]

Possibly controversial
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1463310088465940480/download.png?ex=69715d38&is=69700bb8&hm=48b8887dc121960a8a5a111938fd634205141bc9ad3cde49fb6eb9e55ef58931&

(For the FM mixed OST)

If its gamerips, then my opinion is different

[frosty roost]

honestly this tierlist is actually valid, I listen to all of the songs in S and most of them in A tier

hiya sneaky

[obsidian shard]

Whats poppin Marshal

[random sand]

Nah lowkey i fw this. Similar to mine except for the ambient ones and apotheosis. Idk, that one was a bit weird imo

[frosty roost]

nothing much, just chilling and vibing!

[unkempt dragon]

guys come talk with us in the codex

interesting chat

[obsidian shard]

Same, Just got back home from work

[random sand]

Between hex and flame caught me the most off-guard because i was kinda tired when giving it a listen and didn't expect much. Then it whips out the most insane guitar riff known to man and i'm just like "aight man"

[random sand]

What's going on there

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-drag-help-me-screaming-scared-gif-22862413

[hearty edge]

at least 1

[unkempt dragon]

just some speculation and fun discussion

[random sand]

I'd love to join but really gotta get some sleep so gonna hit the hay soon

[hearty edge]

that seems familiar

[thorny yarrow]

Fun question that I'm sure has been posed before. If Eternal was a ferarri, and Dark Ages is a Monster Truck, what was 2016?

In my mind an ATV or something akin to that would be an apt comparison.

[hearty edge]

marauder type shi

[harsh egret]

just short cutscenes like for the imp in 2016

[hearty edge]

a game

[unkempt dragon]

get some good rest

[hearty edge]

i forgor bout that

[thorny yarrow]

genius

[wintry forge]

Swap Blood Red and When the Shadows First Lengthened and our list is pretty close!

[harsh egret]

is this also relative btw, like mine

aka smth on c is still like a B-A tier track in general xd

[obsidian shard]

ya, all tracks are Phenomeman!

[harsh egret]

nice

[obsidian shard]

Also since like The Gamerips of them make them all S

[harsh egret]

yh as much as i dont enjoy listening to infernal chasm all that much, i dont dislike it either, its still alright

its repetitive but still objectively sounds good to me

[harsh egret]

yeah tbh i was ranking mine based off the actual ost

some of the gamerips/mixes prob are better

[obsidian shard]

so is mine!

[hearty edge]

i aint know most of the track names but all i can say is the whole ost is great

[harsh egret]

ive listened to some but not to all track gamerips

[hearty edge]

i just know hellspawn rift tbh

it's prolly the one i think of when i think of tda

[harsh egret]

i can tell FM cooked when half the reason im hyped for the dlc is new tracks

[obsidian shard]

Deadass would be S for me if it wasnt so short (Same with Pursuit of Demons)

[harsh egret]

im glad thats the case for this game as well.

[obsidian shard]

I know lmao

[harsh egret]

cuz it was for eternal

[hearty edge]

whenever i play or listen to ts game it still amazes me how some people criticized it to hell when it came out

it was never gonna be eternal 2 and i'm glad it is how it is

[harsh egret]

a good chunk of it was cuz it wasnt mixed as well on release

but yeah i do agree

[hearty edge]

yea i heard that the music was super low when compared to the rest of the audio

[harsh egret]

like i personally cant imagine a better soundtrack

im beyond happy with this

[obsidian shard]

WAYY TOO LOW

did not play properly

sometimes wouldnt play

[harsh egret]

(by that i mean that i cant see how they couldve made it better for this game, its really good the way it is)

[hearty edge]

gratefully when i bought it i didnt hear any issues

[harsh egret]

i didnt notice that there were issues, just noticed it was improved when it did

[obsidian shard]

Update 1 and 2 basically fully fixed and Improved the music

[hearty edge]

i sometimes try to imagine mick's style/tracks on this game and it just doesn't work

[harsh egret]

i cant sit and imagine mick's style cuz he would be asked to compose something different to match the vibe of this game anyway

[hearty edge]

true

[obsidian shard]

David Levy made a Amazing Track that works great with the Kreed fight.... but thats it

[wintry forge]

David Levy’s track was a concept. He likely didn’t play through the game, so I feel like his concept is kinda unreliable when trying to imagine what the rest of his soundtrack would be like. I think the track he made fits more with industrial-like atmospheres

[obsidian shard]

It def does

[wintry forge]

There was an Into the Void Mick-style cover (I think I briefly saw it mentioned earlier but idk) and I remember thinking it just sounded wrong

[obsidian shard]

"I added Synths to the very synth track" 🥀

Also why tf do The Remicks remove the medieval vibe from em??

[wintry forge]

Genuinely baffles me why people keep trying to tamper with the ost to make it “better” and more “Mick-like” when the ost already IS the same Argent-metal style, but in a much more medieval and cinematic tone

[wintry forge]

Exactly. It defeats the purpose that the soundtrack was trying to achieve to begin with

[obsidian shard]

Tagelharpa reduce to atoms

Also how ya doing Icon?

Andy does pretty good for his remicks (and Gives FM credit)

Other people I've heard just add Eternal to TDA or remove the Tagelharpa/Guitar combo as well as the ELK skin Drums

[wintry forge]

Been doing good! Replaying through Eternal again after a while. Like, a genuine play through (I had to get footage that is strictly locked from a hub-only cutscene lmao)

[wintry forge]

I love Andy’s covers, he’s great at it

I lived off of his Infernal Chasm cover back in the day

[obsidian shard]

All I listened too was his OST covers before the OST came out

[wintry forge]

I remember everybody’s covers of the “Trailer 1” theme (Unchained Predator) but Andy’s was the only one that sounded right. Other people’s covers just sounded kinda empty

[obsidian shard]

Haha ya I agree with that

[frail bloom]

I agree with everything but I'd switch between hex and flame with theomacy and that'smy tierlist

Boi we on the same wave length

[frail bloom]

A damn I'm the polar opposite

Call me a greedy goblin but I'd accept at least 5

[hearty edge]

we already have the stone imp

now we need the screecher

[frail bloom]

We have the archvile

Now there's 4 more

I'd accept anything, as long as they change the loop

Or add on, or look cool as hell

I'd say one superheavy(archie)

And maybe perhaps 2 heavy demons

And 2 fodder

Again, call me selfish Sam but I'd really like abt 5

[wintry forge]

Archvile needs his own original track for the dlc ong

[frail bloom]

Message for the archvile, or the Dave d taylor blues

I'd accept nothing less🍷

[wintry forge]

Give me a modernized take on Message for the Archvile and ill die happy, that’s always been one of my favs 😭🥲

[frail bloom]

I've been waiting too long

It needs to happen

[obsidian shard]

The bait in general going HARD

https://tenor.com/view/this-peak-is-this-peak-so-peak-peak-it's-just-so-peak-gif-1360442599844596686

[frail bloom]

But Maligog is peak fr

[obsidian shard]

TAG main menu still my favourite of any of the games

[frail bloom]

Ohhh I'd say Hellwalker for me

So badass

[green estuary]

yeah hellwalker and when the shadows first lengthened clear imo

[obsidian shard]

[wintry forge]

BRO I’m glad I’m not the only one who likes TAG’s menu theme better than the base-game’s

I still to this day have it set as default

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-impact-frame-pim-bro-i-knew-i-liked-you-dude-mr-boss-pim-gif-17190387011685472154

[frail bloom]

Lol

[wintry forge]

Love how it shares the same motif as the TAG theme by Levy

The drop goes crazy

[rose cargo]

TDA so peak…

i’m doing ripatorium right now

[frail bloom]

Ohh boi try out Horde's path of vengeance collection

Actual gourmet

[wintry forge]

lol I finally played them today

[obsidian shard]

I hope someone else makes smth similar!

[wintry forge]

And I have to say

They weren’t good

[frail bloom]

Hmmmm

[wintry forge]

They were

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274237827592228865/1430735344609001514/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_1.gif

[wintry forge]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doomguy-doom-slayer-absolute-cinema-gif-11606677432043572262

[frail bloom]

DOOM

[heady trout]

MOOD

[wintry forge]

They were all solid!
Arachnophobia’s still my favorite tho

[frail bloom]

Hard to top off the first time banger

[wintry forge]

My thoughts exactly

[dark thunder]

bruhhhhhh angry joe put tda on his most disappointing games of 2025

he put it at number 9 how is doom more disappointing than a random shitass lord of the rings game no one cares about

[rose cargo]

i mean it’s his opinion

[wintry forge]

That sucks, I usually agree with that dude

[dark thunder]

yes but it its a wild opinion

[frail bloom]

If one misses on peak, he shall rightfully miss on peak

MORE FOR ME

[dark thunder]

bro aint even finish the game too

smh his loss

[frail bloom]

Morrrrr for meee boii

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/see-nobody-cares-not-a-big-deal-its-fine-no-big-deal-gif-16076896

[dark thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-21644488

[empty furnace]

as long as he isn’t one of those “doom the dark ages is TRASH!!! if you buy it you are STUPID!!!” prople

[green estuary]

I mean who honestly cares what a guy who calls himself angry Joe thinks on the internet

[frail bloom]

Joe is hungry

Peak channel, go watch it

[wintry forge]

I remember when his 2016 review first dropped. It was like he was reading my mind

“holy s— it’s master chief!”
“No, that’s DOOMGUY!”

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doomguy-doom-slayer-absolute-cinema-gif-11606677432043572262

I’m very surprised he wasn’t pleased with TDA

[frail bloom]

Game's a bit unique what can I say

Can't captivate everyone

It's quite a strange fps

You parry, you shoot, you block, you melee

All at once

[hearty edge]

and it still looks and feels like doom

[wintry forge]

Melee…Shooting…parrying… taking your hp back…gothic environments… demons…. I just described the perfection that is Bloodborne— I MEAN Doom: TDA

[frail bloom]

Super unique

I hope it ages like fine wine

[hearty edge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[obsidian shard]

and both OST's are Straight PEAK

[unkempt thicket]

Honestly can’t have an opinion in this game until I finally get a chance to buy and play it, but it’s Doom…so greatness is expected.

[frail bloom]

Rn it's been nicely tweaked and with an awesome secondary mode

[wintry forge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ascend-ascension-music-spongebob-music-gif-12623289653326522061

[frail bloom]

That mode rn still being expanded on

[wintry forge]

Cleric Beast got me like

[heady trout]

the more i mess around with ripatorium the more i realize how unmixable/not spammable some demons are

like doing a arena with many cyberdemons is super unfair bc of the ground spike attack

you'll try to focus one down and then the others will spike u from afar

komods are just bs in general when put together

vagaries are actually not that bad in packs

[obsidian shard]

This is the point of balancing encounters

[heady trout]

hmmm maybe i should try the presets shared here for a change instead of making my own so much, any recommendations?

[green estuary]

(mine, obviously)

although I should probably take the time to make some more

[obsidian shard]

Ahzrak's Abyss
Metal Hell
Path of Vengence
Hell's Trials

[heady trout]

the asscrack of Ahzrak...

[obsidian shard]

Shields up 2.0

Scourage of Belias

Escalation of pain

The Gauntlet of the Dark Lord

Mancubus Mayhem

[elder raven]

do you guys hear that?

the waltz?

[obsidian shard]

[fleet spruce]

of demons?

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/who-cares-trump-lol-gif-13275970

[elder raven]

jay hears it

[heady trout]

what song plays in resurrection in normal big encounters?

like literally the first combat encounter in the stage

[harsh egret]

idk the guy that well but he just seems like the kind of person who i cant take seriously

just watched the tda segment of that vid and bruh what am i watching

[green estuary]

steel beyond the grave

[harsh egret]

like why is man playing with a guy in the background thats just sitting making fun of the game for no reason

also how is avowed his most dissapointing game, did he have crazy expectations for it lol

[fleet spruce]

https://youtu.be/hLzToCT1LUE?si=pq-tkzhR4I6NxS4K

[harsh egret]

between hex and flame is so good

[fleet spruce]

yeah

[crude sparrow]

a little late to this but how does this even remotely make sense 😭

isnt one of the first codexes we get in eternal about the sentinel history literally focused on the fortress of doom?

it's explained there that there's multiple of them, I guess theres still some maykr technology inside them, as vega has told us numerous times but they dont look alike at all

[harsh egret]

well alot of ppl dont read the codexes

but i dont think u even need to in order to figure out they arent the same

[crude sparrow]

exactly

I think I read that one like once maybe, I dont remember much else from it but even in the picture you can see multiple of them xD

they looked like they were just ordinary buildings on the ground that got ripped out and started flying into space

nothing like the kreed's ship

[wintry forge]

Yeah, it’s really surprising to me, they’re drastically different. Apparently since they’re both floating in the sky, they must be the same lmao

[fading bone]

i mean to casual viewers/players who arent really knee deep in lore or who havent looked super heavily into what each one looks like its a pretty understandable thing to think

i also thought at first they were the same until i did some digging to figure out myself if it actually was the same or not

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/osho-democracy-regarded-but-the-people-are-regarded-osho-democracy-gif-9277714038565725969

[dusty canopy]

Idk why some ppl don’t like doom tda like you feel like your a warrior but with a shotgun and your also a Demi god

[crude sparrow]

are these people in the room with us?

[fading bone]

unrelated but is there a part of Into the Void that is in game but missing from the OST version? I can't find this one part thats like a halftime heavy part with that background siren sound going off

maybe @obsidian shard can help

[dusty canopy]

No just random ppl I met

[obsidian shard]

looking for it rn

[flat elm]

I didn't understand if the behavior of arachnotron and armored variant differs

[fading bone]

they have different attacks yes

armored ones send the dodgeable projectiles and the big arrow shots

instead of just the hitscan machine gun

[idle swallow]

so I started playing TDA and I have an issue with the game completely freezing. I can hear the audio but the game just freezes and I have to shut down my PC when it happens

I'm on AMD btw. rx 6700 xt

[fading bone]

i have had that happen twice on the resurrection boss battle and i have no idea why

[frail bloom]

[unreal garden]

Gotta be cool with it

[frail bobcat]

Wait you can make custom fights in this game?

[fading bone]

yeah the ripatorium

[frail bobcat]

Hell yeah

[blissful compass]

hello

[idle swallow]

I finished the first 4 levels of TDA. real fun shit

[grim cloud]

24 hours till direct, 24 hours for probably not much dlc news

but i hold onto hope

[obsidian shard]

1 and a half weeks till id Software Anniversary

[grim cloud]

is there something actually planned for that or people speculating they are doing something?

[obsidian shard]

They are doing something!

[grim cloud]

sauce?

[obsidian shard]

(at least a video and possibly some giveaways)

[obsidian shard]

Last stream

And Xbox article

[wintry forge]

Interesting…

[grim cloud]

hmm maybe, but if they giving us big news, it would probably be in the direct since there will be a much bigger audience

or a big tease and a "see more on the 1st for id birthday" or something

[obsidian shard]

news.xbox.com/en-us/2025/12/18/xbox-bethesda-blizzard-activision-king-2025-games-thank-you/#doom

"What is the team most looking forward to in 2026?

We can’t wait to release our DOOM: The Dark Ages expansion that we’ve been hard at work on and we have some additional updates we plan to make to The Ripatorium feature we added after launch. We also have some amazing anniversaries coming up in 2026! id Software turns 35 years old in February and we will celebrate the 10-year anniversary of DOOM (2016) in May. Our fans should look for information on streams and other activities where they can celebrate along with us – hint, we love giving away swag on our streams."

[slender night]

Oh come on man

[obsidian shard]

?

[slender night]

Mentioning 10 year anniversary of 2016 and not 30 years of Quake is insane
New Ripatorium update sounds hype tho

I hope they'll add new arenas

[obsidian shard]

Quake is truly cooked....

[solid nacelle]

Additional updates, plural, to the ripatorium

[grim cloud]

hmmm, seems pretty vague, but ok

ripatorium needs better wave customization imo. I hope they improve that. Like I want to control what spawns after killing a trigger demon.

[solid nacelle]

I think the biggest items on my ripatorium wishlist are trigger demons and enforcers

[thin hound]

I would like enforcers, Hell tanks, and maybe lost souls

[slender night]

I want a Hell arena, still pretty wild to me that we don't have one

[grim cloud]

yah there needs to be a arena for each tileset

mars and maybe barracks like arena as well

hell just thow in the doom eternal bm maps for shits, but that would be a big download - but demon/slayer kit gameplay woundt work well with it

[thin hound]

Harbor of Souls is Hell

[slender night]

This is gonna sound like I'm moving the goal post but it does not look like Hell, I want one of those lasagna style Hell environments

[grim cloud]

ill take lasagna hell

[thin hound]

Hell has a variety of different locations and ecosystems, like any world

Harbor of Souls is like the very underworld-like part of Hell

[grim cloud]

cultist base is a hell level in my head cannon

[thin hound]

Why? We’re about to get a snowy Hell chapter in the DLC

[grim cloud]

i think culist base was orginally a hell level and they switched it too the artic for reasons

[thin hound]

I don’t think so

[slender night]

I like the traditional red Hell the most tho I want to FIGHT in that with From the Ashes playing

Inferno is one of my favorite episodes in Classic DOOM and it's like 90% red

[grim cloud]

well i think so, explains all the demonic shit in the distance. makes no sense honestly

[thin hound]

I get why you’re trying to say, that a Forsaken Plains map would be a cool Ripatorium addition

[grim cloud]

i have like 30+ hell biomes in my megawad

[thin hound]

It’s in Antarctica

[obsidian shard]

Master campaign

[slender night]

Indeed

[thin hound]

I wouldn’t hold on hope, but it would be nice and possible to get more Ripatorium maps like that

Maybe the master levels will be released alongside the DLC campaign, and that’s why it’s taking a while?

[grim cloud]

are we getting master levels? i figured it was shelved in favor of dlc work

and ripatorium

[obsidian shard]

Def later (post DLC)

[obsidian shard]

They can work on em while dlc is being made and after the DLC

[harsh egret]

ye i think they would rather show it to a million ppl watching a gameshow than showing it on a stream with 1k viewers

but i can see them dropping an update during the anniversary stream

[grim cloud]

yes a nugget perhaps. like "Pain Elemental" confirmed ... mabye even another concept art

pain elemental - if there is one - doom 64 variant

[heady trout]

a pain elemental in dark ages would be torture

unless the lost souls are parry-able

[grim cloud]

it should be a pain elemental master that spits out doom eternal pain elementals

and in turn those spit out souls

[thin hound]

A pain elemental that summons giant lost souls

[slender night]

Time a shield throw at their eye to kill them immediately

I would do that to make it a more fun fight

[grim cloud]

yes huge giant souls, beefy ones much like classic doom

[slender night]

But it is a bit cheap

[grim cloud]

but bigger and destructible

[heady trout]

Titan souls and you fight them with the Altan

big ass flaming heads flying around

[thin hound]

No like this #artwork message

[grim cloud]

how big is that? like cacodemon sized?

too big would make it hard to work in teh game space

[thin hound]

I don’t have any idea, they weren’t used in game to my knowledge, but probably the same size as the ones during the Siege turret sequence

[obsidian shard]

They were supposed to be used during those sections but were cut

[thin hound]

Did Hugo say that? That makes sense

[green estuary]

Bro kaibz just made a fog slider for his TDA mod

I’m actually cheesing rn

[obsidian shard]

[green estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389644177762947115/1463607023424897085/Fog_Strip_gimp_1080p.jpg?ex=697271c2&is=69712042&hm=8d2d8d09443cf32b17054ec5d47340b88a5170afdf22453bbc4c0cbd80b4eb5d&

Look how much better this makes the game look holy moly

[thin hound]

Looks less realistic and atmospheric

[obsidian shard]

.25-.5 is best,

Imo the fog is good but just needs to be toned down

if id incorparated a fog slider later i'll be happy

[green estuary]

Yeah turning the fog off looks weird, but less dense fog makes the environments pop so much more

Especially in indoor areas

[thin hound]

Anyone else feel like Hebeth and Sentinel Command Station were kind of like throwbacks to Mars and UAC base missions from DOOM?

[slender night]

Fog at 1.0 is a bit clunky but still better than Eternal imo

[slender night]

Ehhh only kinda, cuz orange colors and tech base isn't like, an entirely outlandish concept in DOOM

[green estuary]

Yeah I’m not arguing that
I just think they did their area design a bit of a disservice by introducing so much fuzziness

[idle swallow]

so, is the Slayer's shield throw mechanic inspired from this?

https://tenor.com/view/captainamerica-shield-throw-gif-3536743

[green estuary]

Idk, you’d have to ask Hugo lol

[thin hound]

The Sentinel Command Station level design felt like the first game, with more enclosed spaces and the like

[slender night]

I don't really remember enough to comment

What I can say though, is that I loved that level having something interesting happen in it instead of just combat from start to end

[idle swallow]

I actually searched about this on google but didn't find any answers lol

[slender night]

With the blatant endgame knock-off in TAG 2, I think it's valid to assume it is inspired by Cap

[thin hound]

It’s definitely inspired by it

[fleet spruce]

The time is now...

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-gif-17511868351874922325

Me when no quake mentioned

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/akakishinoeleven-kiluwlo-ares-butnottoday-gif-791988819342358020

[brisk spire]

[warm ibex]

it would be funny if their next game is quake after not mentioning it here lol

[frail bloom]

Atleast Ik now they're adding more updates

For the arena mode

Awesome

[warm ibex]

there was never any doubt about that tbf

[obsidian shard]

That thing is over a month old guys 😭

[frail bloom]

Unless I misinterpeted, Hugo made an offhand comment that the ripatorium was just abt done so it kinda scared me a little

[warm ibex]

that doesn't change the fact that quake wasn't mentioned

poor ranger

[obsidian shard]

At least we have the Quake board game

[warm ibex]

good one

quite the comedian

[frail bloom]

Has it even released

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-dog-dog-happiest-dog-super-happy-gif-17885812

[obsidian shard]

The Fundraiser Kickstarter thing should be ...soon

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/shironeko-cat-holding-a-flower-shironeko-sleepy-cat-holding-a-flower-silly-cat-sorry-gif-2983801009814780729

[frail bloom]

Uh huh

[obsidian shard]

I'll find the link

[warm ibex]

either way, I don't expect tda dlc teasers tomorrow or during the id software anniversary stuff

if the expansion releases in may, then march seems like the most probable month for a trailer release

[frail bloom]

Ye it can fluctuate a lot

[young schooner]

It's a pipe dream but I'd do anything for a Doom 2016 update. (Remaster?)

[frail bloom]

I guessed december and we are way past that

But I hope they have smt cool to show during the anniversary

That's abt it

What do you think they'll show?

Merch?

[warm ibex]

just a little celebratory video

[frail bloom]

That's all they need to do

[obsidian shard]

gamefound.com/en/projects/archon-studio/quake-the-board-game

[slender night]

Remaster is overkill the game aged really well

[slender night]

What do you mean bro!!! They mentioned TDA which is obviously just Quake in disguise!!!

I remember talking about this with you before I played TDA, how I heard that the game is apparently just a Quakeified DOOM. I can't agree with that now that I'm actually past the game, but it does feel Hexeny to me :p

[young schooner]

For the most part I agree. But some of the things I wish they'd fix is stuff they probably wouldn't do in a mere update.

[slender night]

What would that be? (In #doom-2016)

[warm ibex]

TDA and Hexen are, to an extent, cut from the same cloth. so it makes sense that they feel similar in some ways

[harsh egret]

how does it affect the fog during sections where its supposed to be very foggy

like on siege 2 in that small room

is 0.5 just making it very easy to see

[green estuary]

dunno yet

[harsh egret]

or is that just fog that isnt like manually triggered

[versed quarry]

added second prophetic tree

[green estuary]

though I'd assume it would just apply the fog settings to everything

[harsh egret]

i dont think that game needs a remaster, not for another like 10 years prob

i think the game holds up pretty damn well

maybe an RT update but i dont even know if thats possible unless they port the game to a newer version of their engine

[solid nacelle]

They could add some quality of life features from the newer titles maybe

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[warm ibex]

doom is tomorrow at 6pm est

[alpine pilot]

I live in cet time

[random sand]

That's the first time i've seen you say something other than "where doom ". God damn

[heady trout]

idk what i went in expecting when i chose arachnophobia its literally filled with two of my least liked enemies in the game

lemme try another one

escalation of pain was good

[warm ibex]

I didn't coach you through your "this isn't eternal and I can't handle it" phase just for you to give up on my challenge encounter

[heady trout]

no no

i can handle it, its just i find fighting arachnotrons, especially the bomb ones super fucking lame

I'd rather not

it turns encounters into "kill the arachnotrons first, everything else after"

[warm ibex]

disappointing.

[heady trout]

just like the arachnotrons

[warm ibex]

you have room to grow, there is no doubt in that

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[heady trout]

oh def

i just don't like fighting arachnotrons period

[warm ibex]

that is a weakness

[heady trout]

kind of like acolytes

[green estuary]

reminds me of a certain someone who absolutely cannot stand armored arachnotrons

[heady trout]

me...

[green estuary]

(I'm referring to myself)

[heady trout]

well, technically speaking not wanting to have your balls hit by a zapper is a weakness

but the thing is much like the ball zapper, I don't like arachnotrons

if they didn't have the mines I'd be cool with them

[warm ibex]

eh, I think it's about on par with the people that still complain about eternal's archvile

[heady trout]

i beat that game on UN and i still don't like the archville

[green estuary]

well they're also right in some ways
his abilities are broken as hell, but he also goes down like a lil bitch

[warm ibex]

save for a few encounters or a handful of mistakes, the archviles in eternal are more than manageable even on nightmare without super weapons

[heady trout]

those types of "kill them now before they make the arena a pain in the ass" type enemies. Easy to kill, boring af to play against, just a boring chore to kill them first before everything else

[warm ibex]

ah, more of a "anti-threat prioritization" kinda guy. throw something that needs attention into the arena first and you're drowning

I get it man

[heady trout]

no need to be rude

im not drowning one bit silly, im bored to death hunting these enemies down

[green estuary]

well also at the same time, I think you overstate just how high priority arachnotrons are

like obviously if you're right next to them, you're getting absolutely hosed, but what are they gonna do to you from across an arena?

[heady trout]

and no, its not threat prioritization its "you are forced to kill these guys first for more optimal and tolerable gameplay". Threat prioritization is having a choice, not being forced to pick one obvious option over the other

[green estuary]

you 100% have a choice

[heady trout]

well this is fine but usually they stick close to leaders or heavies

[warm ibex]

you're describing threat prioritization

[heady trout]

exactly, im describing what the arachnotrons and archvilles don't encourage the player to do, instead of giving a choice they force the player to hunt the enemies down

[green estuary]

I just have an issue with how armored arachnotrons' AI work
they seemingly encourage you to get close to them to get their armor off quickly, but simultaneously have these mines that deal a bajillion damage right next to them

[heady trout]

the mines are the core of the issue

[green estuary]

except they don't

[heady trout]

if I don't focus them while they are nearby they will deploy 5 high damage mines and make my fight with the heavy or super heavy a pain in the ass

[heady trout]

much choice, much prioritization

[warm ibex]

I guess I'm not required to talk to people who don't entirely understand what they're talking about

my apologies, carry on

[heady trout]

yes its technically a choice to choose being whipped or not, but its not a real good choice isn't it

[green estuary]

that's the same thing with any enemy
if you're getting gangbanged by 2 barons, then any enemy you throw into the mix will make that a pain in the ass

this isn't uniquely an arachnotron thing

[heady trout]

woah someone is taking this videogame stuff a lil bit too seriously

[heady trout]

definitely true, other enemies have this problem

[green estuary]

as opposed to more threatening enemies, you can quite literally just LoS arachnotrons

[heady trout]

arachnotrons are just one of them

[warm ibex]

I see the way you talk to people in chat sometimes 😭

[green estuary]

ok now you're just being hyperbolic
yes, the arena becomes easier if you eliminate certain demons in a certain order
this is not a bad thing lol

[heady trout]

definitely not

its fine most of the time, its just some particular enemies are more problematic in this regard

[green estuary]

arachnotrons don't suddenly make the game intolerable to play just by existing lmao

[heady trout]

very true

the last two (ignoring final battle) stages are full of them and they are my favorite stages in the game

[green estuary]

you can quite literally just ignore them in most campaign arenas

[heady trout]

so far you've called me weak, said i wasn't understanding the topic and previously assumed i had a problem with the game that I didn't

while i haven't really like, attacked you at all, just stated i disagreed

[warm ibex]

I didn't assume you would take any of that very seriously

genuine apologies if that hurt your feelings

[green estuary]

I don't think saying your gameplay has a weakness is calling you weak, but ok lol

[heady trout]

oh, ok then, i apologize if i hurt yours on accident

[heady trout]

it was moreso the other comments that i found odd but now that i know the true intention I don't mind

[obsidian shard]

Impaler, Shredder, Chainshot, Rocket Launcher!

[heady trout]

in truth i think you two make sense, its just the gameplay loop as i see it now in regards to enemies like the arachnotrons, acolytes and cacodemons isn't too fun to me, if there was a way to make it more fun im all ears

I'd like to be able to fight a super heavy with a armored arachnotron near it without worrying my health will turn to 5 all the time if I don't merc the arachnotron instantly

[green estuary]

counterpoint
chainshot is the only weapon on here that deals good armor damage, and I think it's kinda boring

so flail/SSG it is

[heady trout]

it has happened to me twice that I don't kill the arachnotron first in these Super heavy and armored arachnotron encounters, the mines obliterate my shield and the super heavy gets free licks in that kill me

[heady trout]

yeah chainshot is powerful but boring

[green estuary]

the mines are more often than not an awareness issue
sometimes you can get shafted by the AI but that's more of a rare occurrence

[warm ibex]

I'd actually have to agree, I don't find the chainshot to be the most interesting

[heady trout]

like, could i just see the mines coming and step out of the way?

do i even have the time to do so?

[warm ibex]

I guess it depends on how you play in general. Like I personally don't see any problem with needing to take out the arachnotrons first because I rarely take on super heavies first

[green estuary]

well if they're on the ground already, they show up on your hud

[heady trout]

isn't that too late lol

[green estuary]

no

the mine attack cooldown is longer than the time it takes for them to explode on their own

[heady trout]

im a big fan of getting either the surrounding heavies first and having solo fights with the super heavies, bit sometimes, especially with cyberdemons and aggadons i really wanna kill them first with melee

[green estuary]

although I wish you were able to shoot the mines to detonate them

[warm ibex]

or use jump shockwave

[green estuary]

yeah that would be nice

[obsidian shard]

The shredder... Shreds

[green estuary]

not really against armor tbh

[warm ibex]

ssg handles that pretty well though

[green estuary]

even the accelerator feels better to use against armored stuff

[green estuary]

yeah, hence my complaints about the proximity mines lol

because SSG and the flail are my two primary armor damage sources

[warm ibex]

I don't feel like I have too much trouble with proximity mines and I usually take out armor with the ssg

[green estuary]

it's not really a concern in the campaign

[warm ibex]

then that's probably it then, I rarely touch the ripatorium lol

[green estuary]

we need a "gun maykr" emoji lmao

[warm ibex]

but I also don't feel like I've had problems with mines while testing stuff like arachnophobia

since a shield bash, ssg blast, flail hit to break armor, shield throw to stun and then another ssg blast usually takes care of them in one smooth motion

but if you linger then yeah, they'll launch mines

[warm ibex]

true lmao

[green estuary]

That’s part of my complaint
In a campaign arena, things are a lot easier to control, so it’s fairly easy to keep track of “arachnotron spawned in, I’ve got X number of seconds until they launch mines”
Ripatorium not so much with all the chaos

[warm ibex]

that's a fair point

I can see that being an issue in a cluttered or chaotic ripatorium encounter, especially on a first time playthrough

[heady trout]

i wonder why the ssg isn't as effective on komodos as the accelerator

its like the accelerator melts them but the ssg gives them a lil kiss on the forehead

[green estuary]

range

[heady trout]

perhaps? I kiss the komods face when using the ssg a lot of times doe

[frail bloom]

Honestly I've always avoided the mines super well

Even if they hit me they don't do much idk

I think it would be cool if you can shoot the mines

And they'd act as a falter, they wouldn't kill anything except fodder

[thin hound]

Maybe the mines will be less of a problem once more mobility is added in the DLC

I don’t find them too problematic though, just jump away when you hear them. Although I haven’t tried the game on harder difficulties yet

[frail bloom]

Well whatever it is, it prob isn't anything vertical

[spark elm]

I almost feel like The Prince is the hell levels ambient.

[obsidian shard]

It is

[spark elm]

Oh it is? Sick.

[final dune]

hey does anyone here have the sound effect files for the melee weapons?

[spark elm]

About Rebuild…

If final battle had any noncombat sections…

[green estuary]

I can see if I can find them

[final dune]

it would be great if you could send them to me if you can find em

[uncut kayak]

I hope they add a new melee weapon in the DLC. A sword would be nice

[obsidian shard]

Spear

Basically Confirmed

[final dune]

dm me the sfx if you find them btw

[heady trout]

reckoning still my favorite level tbh

sometimes the boss gets me to low health doe, just sometimes doe

out of modern doom trilogy i think this one has the best last stage

[uncut kayak]

this game has too many hype moments and too much aura farming

[heady trout]

thats doom alright

such much hype and aura i am physically incapable of skipping some cutscenes

[uncut kayak]

slayer casually aurafarming on literally everyone

[heady trout]

@warm ibex okay ill beat arachnophobia

[obsidian shard]

I just realized my upcoming Pre-set has a Mini Arachnophobia in it

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/subway-magnifying-glass-spying-guy-gif-12093132659449726084

[fading osprey]

hi horde

[versed quarry]

This info is better than DLC leaks

[warm ibex]

howdy 🤠

[obsidian shard]

Its Agonizing not to spill the Pre-set.... I might Rot away

[fading osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cyn-murder-drones-md-hi-gif-7289153633234255640

[warm ibex]

I think jaycool is trying to tell us something...

[obsidian shard]

The Horde is coming..... And it's going to Mode gaming

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1461533748972622038/Link_to_fast.gif

[fading osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[heady trout]

died in wave three

furthest ive made it in

holy shit wave three is absolutely bonkers

what even is the strat

[wintry forge]

This has me weak af

[fading osprey]

REAL

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-mask-jim-carrey-gif-3492754

[heady trout]

okay wave 3 is infuriating, the mix of arachnotron spam and cosmic baron is weird bc im constantly running from the baron to kill the arachnotrons

maybe i should try going for the baron first but maybe ill be spammed by everything else if i do that

id use ricochet more if parryable projectiles werent coming my way 24/7

[warm ibex]

that's supposed to be your crutch tbf

the projectiles, I mean. some of arachnophobia is kinda bullshit if you don't have something like heaven splitter equipped

[heady trout]

i use heaven splitter thankfully

i passed the third wave by luring the cosmic baron away from the horde

then died in wave 4

yay

[spark elm]

I guess since final battle has no noncombat sections that makes rebirth the final song in an ambient tracks playlist for this game.

[obsidian shard]

Correct!

Their are no combat sections.... In update 2 all ambiant was turned to light combat unless i'm wrong

[heady trout]

died in wave 4 again

[warm ibex]

I do have to admit that arachnophobia was created before the ripatorium had rounds

so each round was tested separately and then combined without rebalancing

[heady trout]

wave 4 legitimately seems like the exact same as wave 3

[warm ibex]

it shouldn't be

but then again it's all arachnotrons and vagaries

[fading bone]

i think i got through arachnophobia by spamming chainshot and heaven splitter

[warm ibex]

that checks out

[spark elm]

I never noticed a noncombat section in final battle so yeah rebirth is the 11th and final track in the playlist.

[warm ibex]

im no master of ripatorium encounter creation, that's for sure

[heady trout]

okay no it has way less arachnotrons

wave 4 that is

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/zombies-true-truth-truth-nuke-richtofen-gif-9600806367048332710

[warm ibex]

elite gif usage

[heady trout]

wait wait

why am i fighting a cosmic baron in wave 4 if it says its supposed to be 2 vagaries?

[obsidian shard]

Argageddon has the same issue, its supposed to be Agaddon's EACH rounf

but the code it gives is... False

It works sometimes, it doesnt work others

[heady trout]

like yeah im checking the demons for each wave and 4 is straight up bugged

or wave 3 has two waves in it?

[obsidian shard]

Ripatorium 2.0 codes is technically in Beta

[heady trout]

wait i never beat wave 3 holy shit

apparently theres one micro waves of stuff and then another but it seems like another wave at first glance

am i just gonna have to use the chainshot

im legitimately using the rocket launcher as a replacment chainshot

Okay i actually beat wave 3 but i panicked in 4 and used my one bfc shot bc holy there was so much shit in my screen

okay i give up this is bordering on unbalanced

not to mention i have to retrace my steps every time i lose

maybe some shall squeeze enjoyment out of this but not me, im probably not good enough or whatever but yeah

one last try while spamming the chainshot

okay no yeah this isnt fun

maybe it would be fun to a ''better'' player

[warm ibex]

I don't find it all that fun

together, anyways. I do enjoy the individual encounters but a five round sweatfest isn't my type of encounter

which is why my other four are all shorter tbf

[heady trout]

i think yeah thats a problem, the five round sweatfest

but yeah some of them are fun, wave 1 and 2 are cool

[wintry forge]

Nah, I love the chaos man

[idle swallow]

a lot of people say The Dark Ages is way easier than Eternal and even 2016 even on nightmare but I got my ass kicked in a way similar to when I played Eternal for the first time
maybe even more even

I initially started playing on ultra-violence but ended up going to hurt me plenty

[random sand]

I'd say it is easier but still is tough. One mistake can still make or break a run

[wide siren]

it was easier for me, but it’s also difficult to assess how much of that is just up to being more experienced

[random sand]

the thing about tda's difficulty is it can be a little more forgiving than 2016 and eternal because of the shield. you can alot of the time survive by blocking, parrying or stunning an enemy. in 2016 and eternal you just gotta move quick or you're dead

[wide siren]

that’s true. i’m so adjusted to a very agressive game style i completely forget that you can also block with the shield, not just parry lol

i think it was wo long fallen dynasty that had different key mappings for blocking and parrying which made just ditch blocking entirely 😭😂

[idle swallow]

I feel like it has something to do with how TDA is even more unlike typical fps games than Eternal is
this dodging, blocking and parrying stuff is Dark Souls/hack and slash game type shit not fps

[random sand]

Idk about that. It has elements of it but it is an fps. It's very similar to how the classic games play with the dodging projectiles

[frail bloom]

It's def an fps it just has unique mechanics

[idle swallow]

they didn't spawn 😭

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465235452148842518/1463871772377223367/image.png?ex=69736853&is=697216d3&hm=0f67d9bd572dae35363d9a54b8f2d1f42250a7109cf43c50cccdbffc85af08a9&

[fleet spruce]

noped outta existence

[random sand]

they summoned the portal and got the hell outta there before you came 😭

[heady trout]

smartest demons in Doom history

[versed quarry]

“Avoid the Slayer” smartest thought a demon has ever had

[fleet spruce]

Demons after receiving proper education:

[meager vortex]

3hours left

xbox developer show case

[wintry forge]

Don’t get your hopes up 😭

[hazy pasture]

Howdy folks

[wintry forge]

What’s up Doc

[harsh egret]

where dlc

[hazy pasture]

Howdy Icon how have ya been?

[hazy pasture]

Interesting question

[young schooner]

A question to anyone more knowledgeable than me on TDA's technical stuff.

[wintry forge]

I’ve been great! Still unwinding from the holidays lmao

How about you?

[young schooner]

Is there a mod for me to enable TDA's console commands?

[harsh egret]

is there a mod to enable the dlc

[heady trout]

yes Hato

sends malware ip grabber here it is

[harsh egret]

ez

[hazy pasture]

At work as always

But I'm free for a few days for now!

[young schooner]

Specifically, in tight cases I've used Eternal's dev GUI to make transparent images of demons to use as images for my guide. I've done this basically by turning off world rendering, cranking down the FOV, and manipulating the lighting. Then erasing the blank background. Here's an example.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1435655889825697883/1463918495623282768/image.png?ex=697393d7&is=69724257&hm=7143df9a9b9ef9756a551ce14041bcf1c29f88c1de99d309995b290bd7dca56b&

I need to do the same for TDA, specifically for Ahzrak, because I can't find any suitable transparent renders of him online.

[heady trout]

Archville is so cute ❤️

[hazy pasture]

Console Unlocker in Nexus Mods iirc

It lets you unlock and enable console commands

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[heady trout]

right over there, to the hall to the left

[young schooner]

Hmm, alright.

[obsidian shard]

The First of Second door... Or the one labeled "Gloom wood"

[hazy pasture]

Dave NewBlood...

[green estuary]

Kaibz mod unlocks the console

[idle swallow]

how long did each level usually take you guys to complete when playing them for the first time getting all collectibles and secrets?

it generally takes me 1-2 hours

[fading bone]

per level?

it depends on the level but i dont think any more than an hour for the longest ones

prolly like 20-40 minutes for the short/normal sized levels

[heady trout]

^

unrelated but i find myself at a crossroads, like Enhanced Ashrak is the better fight than the final one right? But its stuck behind a long Atlan level, which while fun is pretty basic. While reckonings boss fight is at the end of one of, if not the best stage in the game

i do find funny bc it's clear final battle is the climax and reckoning is the oddly realistic anti climactic "hunt down the bad guy at his absolute lowest as they run for their lives" which fits like a glove for Doom

like realistically, most bad people end like Asscrack did, without glory and trying to run away

reckoning truly encapsulates that feeling of "you're the boss here, they are running for their lives, there are no stakes their reckoning is inevitable and its you"

[fading bone]

they both feel really good for different reasons

enhanced for the actual challenge, and reckoning for the victory lap satisfying power trip

[heady trout]

yeah

[fading bone]

especially if you do the berserk glitch and the fight lasts a lore accurate amount of time

[heady trout]

Azhrak being so realistically washed in the face of the Slayer and him being painfully aware of the fact thus trying to avoid direct fights unless he's powered by the wraith god or whatever actually is really cool

makes him seem smart compared to multiple other Doom antagonists

[fading bone]

bro knows exactly what he's doing/what his power level is

and lets you really feel powerful as the slayer AND makes the payoff of when you finally beat his fucking face in all that more cathartic

[heady trout]

true

by the end its not just the realization that hes cooked, its the fact as the player you know he saw this coming from a mile away and did his best but it wasn't enough

[young schooner]

This is the main thing that makes Ahzrak my favorite Doom villain, yeah. He's smart and knows what he can get away with.

[flat elm]

Where you found it?

[young schooner]

The dev GUI? It's there by default in the mod-friendly version.

[flat elm]

I don't remember this render used in game

[heady trout]

exactly

[young schooner]

I enjoy smart, competent villains who are consistently a few steps ahead of the protagonists. Ahzrak is almost always like this, a few steps ahead of the Sentinels, other than not initially knowing where to find the other half of the Heart of Argent. He succeeds in virtually every plan he has, other than Novik blowing up Aratum, and even then he immediately pulled things back in his direction by storming Teroth.

Ahzrak only truly starts to lose when he kills Serrat. After that it all feels earned - you're finally putting this asshole in his place, chasing him down, him relying on the Witch yet again and trying to beg you to stop during the fight. Apotheosis, the final boss song, captures the vibe perfectly in the sense of depicting Ahzrak's terror during the final boss.

[young schooner]

It isn't. It is an edited screenshot of the game I was able to make.

[fading bone]

i like how in the final boss fight, you are actually the boss

[flat elm]

Prabably after 2016 Hayden, Ahzrak is the smartest antagonist

[flat elm]

I see

[fading bone]

i also like that even though he's smart, he's also still a squirmy little coward bitch

which makes it even more satisfying to finally kill him

[young schooner]

And I mean actual terror. That's something else I enjoyed. Everyone jokes about Doom being like "lol it's a horror game but you're the monster," but nothing in the other games actually gives you this vibe. Other than during Glory Kills demons are never scared of the Slayer, they are more than happy to square up with him and get their asses kicked after.

With Ahzrak they went out of their way to depict him 1) cocky and confident when he's enjoying his enhanced power, and 2) genuinely scared and fighting for his life during the final fight.

It humanizes Ahzrak a bit; not in a way that makes him sympathetic, but something that makes him feel more grounded and realistic as a character.

[heady trout]

this boss fight is the truest this statement has ever been legitimately

[young schooner]

The closest the series comes to doing this sort of thing is, kinda sorta, the Seraphim in TAG1. That's really it.

[heady trout]

azhrak screaming before the Slayer turns his head into pastry is absolutely cinema

[heady trout]

^

[elder raven]

i wanna chime in: in the final cutscene of belly of the beast, ahzrak pulls up and makes you his bitch because he’s in control. your weakened right now

so when you storm hell to personally kick his ass and defeat him, he doesnt want to accept death and screams before he gets hit and its so satisfying

[young schooner]

Another moment with a level of detail that just isn't in 2016-Eternal: his screams being of rage and hatred at first, but once the flail hits him the first time, they turn to screams of pain, and they suddenly stop entirely once the flail hits him a second time.

[heady trout]

true i love that detail

[young schooner]

That scene felt real; like killing a human, albeit an evil one. They just didn't bother with that sort of thing before TDA. It's one of the things I love about the series.

[heady trout]

this shit felt way more personal than the other kills

outside from maybe davoth, but the casual brutality of azhraks death is absolute cinema/doom

[young schooner]

I do genuinely think from a narrative standpoing Ahzrak's death was way more personal.

Hugo Martin I think said in one of his streams, someone asked "who has made Doomguy the most angry in the series?", and he answered very matter-of-factly, "Ahzrak." I don't like to put Hugo's statements on a pedestal but this is about the most accurate stream answer he's given IMO.

And I do think it provides a glimpse into how the Slayer is written, as well as Hell. It's a very simple answer with a surprising amount of illumination to it.

[heady trout]

yeah

didn't know Hugo said that, that's rad

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/Nt568WN2nZA

doom the dark ages dlc trailer come on!

please!

we need it!

[green estuary]

(it’s not going to happen)

[versed quarry]

Let him have his hopium

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-nuke-truth-nuke-half-life-wojak-hope-injection-gif-13660236688722225642

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-glory-kill-doom-glory-kill-doom-eternal-zombie-gif-17209423616347804637

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[heady trout]

instead of bfg its bhg (big hope gun)

litters the vicinity with hope

[meager vortex]

ok katsu you can play doom the dark ages dlc after 2126 years only you by king novik

[obsidian shard]

[heady trout]

what if the dlc is evil, you have to pay and they remove content

[grim cloud]

xbox direct very soon, small chance of alittle somthing

[meager vortex]

id connected xbox studio

[meager vortex]

if dlc is evil slayer is happy because dlc includes evil demons!

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-evil-grin-gif-20903082

more evil? more demons? more guts! rip and tear!

hell council:oh! fuck! we screwed!

[fleet spruce]

this direct looks ass, wake me up if there are gonna be surprise reveals

[meager vortex]

doom guy:no demons! you guys just doomed

hell is fallen

[solar cairn]

Today?

[meager vortex]

GOD: sorry! you are bad person you must go to the hell! girls: no!why! boys: thanks! my lord!

[meager vortex]

yes

[fleet spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/live/hXn6bvU1Kh4?si=gUHPE-X8P0Udrx_f

in fact, 14 mins away from the start

[solar cairn]

At least a teaser, please

[fleet spruce]

maybe...

better don't get your hopes up

[meager vortex]

dude do not despair!

[versed quarry]

“No John, you are the demons.”

[grim cloud]

if nothing, im convinced of a 2nd half dlc release

[vapid lodge]

Are there any rumors if the DLC trailer will be announced?

[meager vortex]

we don't know yet

[harsh egret]

There's a non zero chance it will show up but its not much higher than zero

[grim cloud]

if i were a betting man, we get a small teaser ... then a "stay tuned for more info at the id software anniversay stream".

[warm ibex]

no, there's practically zero chance

I'm not sure why these goobers get their hopes up

[grim cloud]

this is assuming we get anything, but i dont think we will

[grim cloud]

becasue direct, always hope for teh best, but prepare for nothing

Im still waiting for Starcraft III, and im sad after every blizzcon or xbox showcase

[warm ibex]

I feel you. im sad every time bioshock 4 doesn't pop up at summer games fest or the game awards

[obsidian shard]

Waiting for Bioshock 5 dawg....

[warm ibex]

bro is years ahead of me

[grim cloud]

Freespace 3 when?

[vapid lodge]

DOOM Eternal 2 when

[slender night]

I'm sad every Ubisoft Forward when they don't reveal anything Rayman. Pretty much every time I join a game show like this NOTHING gets announced so I'm not really convinced the DLC will be at this next one

[wide siren]

just came to see how high the hopium levels are

[obsidian shard]

Fortnite 2 ahhh

[grim cloud]

Doom 2016 DLC when?

[obsidian shard]

Doom comic when

Hordenodegaming when

[warm ibex]

sooner than you think...

[grim cloud]

QuakeCon date announcement when?

[obsidian shard]

REAL

[slender night]

Already happened 🤓

[warm ibex]

I think those are normally in april

im keeping an eye out this year, hoping to go

[grim cloud]

Doom 2016 DLC 2 when?

[obsidian shard]

Ain't it March?

[slender night]

Ditto 🤓

[warm ibex]

might depend. I hope it's that early

[grim cloud]

fine, Doom 2016 Singleplayer Expansion when?

[thin hound]

DOOM didn’t really have a DLC, just multiplayer updates and VFR

[slender night]

Probably never 💔
The real question is... when are we getting SnapMap for TDA? 👀

[grim cloud]

seriously, a campaign could be made about the events between eternal and 2016.

[slender night]

The "multiplayer updates" were, by definition, DLC

[obsidian shard]

So Downloadable content 🤓

[thin hound]

Until they became free and included with the game later

[obsidian shard]

Akak DLC

[slender night]

Still DLC though...
Anyway we're going off topic. That TDA game guys amirite

[wintry forge]

Let’s see about that Xbox stream!

[harsh egret]

[hazy pasture]

Hopium

[wintry forge]

Midnight’s stream title nearly click baited tf outta me lol

[hazy pasture]

I knew it the moment I saw the notif

Buds never gonna change

[wintry forge]

I did too, but that instant read gives you a millisecond of hope

[thin hound]

Yeah last time DOOM The Dark Ages was put as part of the showcase in the thumbnail, and this time it wasn’t

[hazy pasture]

I think we're slowly entering HL3 levels of hopium

[thin hound]

I highly doubt they’ll show the DLC

[fleet spruce]

The DLC is real. I know, I built its cage...

[wintry forge]

Yes, but that’s because it wasn’t a reveal

[hazy pasture]

Most likely they won't cuz dev directs showcase in depth stuff of newly announced games

[wintry forge]

I doubt they’ll show it today anyways tho

[hazy pasture]

Hopium is real

Hope that folks don't enter psychosis the moment Dev direct ends

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-3-marine-gif-8672486222723136006

[thin hound]

Waddleguy.WAD

[warm ibex]

im looking forward to the doom 3 stream tonight

we have a real doom stream with a real dlc hint waiting for us this afternoon, no need for false dlc hope

[thin hound]

You guys will have to let us others know if Hugo gives more details

[fleet spruce]

man, where the Finishing Move's soundtrack teasers are at

[thin hound]

True!

[fleet spruce]

I could use one right now

[thin hound]

Maybe every stream Hugo will confirm a new demon or something, like tonight will be pain elemental hopefully or armored cosmic baron

[modern badger]

It's gonna be the armored whiplash

[thin hound]

Not a bad idea

[fleet spruce]

normal baron but he's a walking tank with 90 hp per hit projectiles

[thin hound]

I think the pain elemental would fit really well with the aesthetic of this game though

[grim cloud]

64 variant? yes

[slender night]

I'd love to see the Vulgar back

[thin hound]

Is that the two headed one?

[versed quarry]

We’re not nearly that far

[slender night]

Not sure what you're referring to

[thin hound]

The two-headed demon from Doom 3 I’ve seen before

[versed quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-eternal-night-sentinels-doon-gif-12594970713074372149

[hazy pasture]

I think we're forgetting the days when we would constantly get the "DLC when" text outta nowhere

[slender night]

Hmm doesn't really tell me anything unfortunately. The Vulgar is this weird skinny scorpion-like demon, not sure how to describe it. I'd love to see it in the DLC

[thin hound]

I guess it’s called a maggot, I think a TDA redesign of that could be cool