the-dark-ages

[green estuary]

Maybe cuz his head is shaped like a pyramid

[fleet spruce]

Every time I see them i go "Holy shit, oversized Fiend"

[wintry forge]

Nightmare imps NEED to return, especially with Hugo’s love for 64, so hopefully Stalkers will by default from that

[green estuary]

Do they though

They’re absolute cancer already in this game lmao

[flat elm]

Its head inspired by executior's hood actually, according to William Bao

[fleet spruce]

We need a playable 64 flashback

will they put a n64 in the hub

[warm ibex]

you have too many hours in the game to still talk like this

[green estuary]

True lol

I also have too many hours playing on 350% damage

[warm ibex]

they still smack the fuck out of me on occasion tho I won't lie lol

[green estuary]

And their melee lunge out of absolutely nowhere is absolutely preposterous

If it didn’t ignore death protection, then I’d at least be on the fence

[warm ibex]

don't live life on the edge if you're afraid of getting cut

[wintry forge]

I want a variant that’s less cosmic themed for the dlc. An altered moveset, to have both at once

[ionic glade]

Considering he’s the only demon who doesn’t get his damage reduced by 75% when attacking the player from behind, he’s definitely got dev favoritism on his side

[green estuary]

I mean
At 300% damage that attack already deals 120 damage
That’s my entire health pool at the beginning of the game

[warm ibex]

good

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/raised-eyebrows-good-jocko-willink-gif-5513484

[warm ibex]

he should attack for one trillion damage

glory to the nightmare imp stalker empire

[fleet spruce]

LMAO

[ionic glade]

Get hit by it twice back to back, he deletes your save

[green estuary]

Now I’m laughing because I remembered that one jocko willink meme video

[flat elm]

I need pinky spectere back in DLC

[warm ibex]

nightmare imp stalker does not roll off the tongue very well, shit they were calling serial killers in the 60s

[warm ibex]

a third hit bricks your console/pc

[wintry forge]

Ah yes, a floating rider

Invisible boatmobile vibes

[flat elm]

That would be fun

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-demon-cosmic-baron-shield-gif-8802650455525969640

i have my own theory about the cosmic barons

[empty furnace]

when i first got the super shotgun and pulverizer i was smiling ear to ear

[elder raven]

i truly believe that the old one wasnt the only god in the cosmic realm. he may have been the strongest and “the god of the cosmic realm,” but i think there were others that we havent met. i think about this because the cosmic baron’s design is very similar to artwork/photos of nyarlathotep, another god in lovecraft mythos, and nyarlathotep has multiple avatars throughout the different stories he appears in. my theory is that the cosmic baron is actually avatars of the doom equivalent of nyarlathotep (just like how cthulhu ≈ the old one)

ive said this a couple times but i think its a neat theory

[warm ibex]

oh yeah that is a cool theory

[flat elm]

Well, the baron mostly inspired by at the mountain of madness and the shadow over insmouth.

[fleet spruce]

we just had what equals to a sneak peak at vast unknown and unexplored dimension after all

although that technically applies to Hell also...

[flat elm]

It also applies to Urdak

[elder raven]

i ♥️ urdak and hope for a return one day in a future doom game

[fleet spruce]

we had like what, 10 minutes in Urdak?

[wintry forge]

We had 2 long ass missions lol

[elder raven]

my friends and i have shared fictional universe and i made a hell inspired by doom, dante’s inferno, scorn, (a little bit) ihnmaims, and several others; i made it jampacked with biblical demonic named characters and it made me realize how awesome it would be for doom to have either demons like beelzebub or doom versions of them similar to how they did the old one. i asked hugo and the idea of doomguy fighting biblical demons came up in development so thats pretty cool

[silent prawn]

nah we just got sent about 20k leagues under the sea to see jimmy the bigfin squid

[fleet spruce]

those shield bash rings in City of R'yuul remind me of the rings you see in Urdak

[warm ibex]

there's definitely a connection between Urdak and the Cosmic Realm

[wintry forge]

No doubt

The whole point of the transfiguration was to tease the cosmic realm

The eyes, the tentacles, it’s uncanny

[elder raven]

but why do they look like the beings from the cosmic realm if they’re maykrs?

[wintry forge]

“Evil Cthulhu tentacle monsters” -Hugo Martin

[flat elm]

Googa Martin

[warm ibex]

who says they aren't one in the same 👀

[silent prawn]

did you notice that the eyes have that one parralax effect that makes things look like they are looking at you but its just subtle enough so that if you stare at them its hard to tell if anythings happening until its in like corner of your vision

[warm ibex]

giant tech gods just so happen to turn into cthulhu monsters without something stopping their transformation process, definitely not just a coincidence

[flat elm]

The eye in Sam's chest identical to eye from Lomarith's skybox

[elder raven]

i want the next samur boss fight to be completely mind warping for the player

i want it to be so weird

[silent prawn]

also

why the hell did davoth make 3 realms
or is davoth just yet another fraud

[wintry forge]

Their organic skin is still pretty cosmic. So magic is keeping it from worsening

[elder raven]

sort of both

i love davoth and he’s one of my favorite characters in the franchise but we have no idea if he created the cosmic realm

[warm ibex]

I want the next samur boss fight to be three individual fights bare minimum. let us fight him at different points in the campaign through out the different stages of transfiguration

[silent prawn]

honestly davoth seems more and more...

loose?
like the story around him is actively coming apart at the seams it feels

[fleet spruce]

and Urdak looks so Giger-ish , it looks fleshy but at the same time it's not, almost like it can be corrupted

[elder raven]

honestly cannot wait to stab his eye its gonna be so fun

[silent prawn]

i feel like theres something more to the cosmic realm or smth

i mean apparently the maykrs didnt even know about the place so it might predate davoth, who we have never seen the original form of tbh
only him miming the slayer

[wintry forge]

In Eternal?

[silent prawn]

yeh

[flat elm]

His skull still has eye sockets for some reason

[wintry forge]

I’m not sure if I did specifically. That’s pretty interesting tho

[warm ibex]

urdak is not nearly as giger-ish as it should be. I could (and probably will) make a long video on that, urdak is full of unexplored potential

[silent prawn]

oh wait no

not in eternal in tda

the ones in the cosmic realm

[flat elm]

I need splatter punk realm in Doom

[silent prawn]

they seem static but it looks like they follow you out of the corner of your eye which adds to the ominous nature of the place

[fleet spruce]

I have seen concept arts for Urdak and they went all in with Giger style there but I guess it was scrapped due to crunch

[wintry forge]

Yes I noticed that. Those are pretty crazy

[elder raven]

oh, the tentacle eyes or whatever? not the tentacles themselves but in the walls

[silent prawn]

yeah

[elder raven]

on my very first playthrough when i first got there i felt so unsettled because i saw them move as i passed by them

[silent prawn]

this games art design is honestly really good for the majority of its runtime

[elder raven]

so cool

[silent prawn]

that was the parralax

they literally never move

which is honestly cooler

k gtg

[fleet spruce]

I love the crushingly heavy atmosphere with equally crushingly heavy combat track

[wintry forge]

The heiarchy of the realms is pretty interesting. You could take it either route with Davoth. Either he created the cosmic realm, and that’s why both the Maykrs and the cosmic realm both are cyclopean/ tentacle designed, OR he was instead from the Cosmic Realm himself, and that’s why the Maykrs resemble the beings from the cosmic realm, his power being an extension of it

[flat elm]

Into the void my beloved

[elder raven]

never thought about davoth coming from the cosmic realm, that’s a fun way to look at it

[elder raven]

i love that ambience that goes “dunnn dunnn dunnnnn dunnnnnn”

[warm ibex]

it was scrapped due to asset creation

[flat elm]

Yeah, Emerson said:“Kit friendly"

[elder raven]

the track names for the cosmic realm is great too because “battle on the blackened tide” is badass

[fleet spruce]

Man, Doom concept arts are in league of their own

incredible art

[obsidian shard]

Ummm...

[slender night]

Sea of Doom

[obsidian shard]

That's not cosmic realm

It's Harbor of Souls

[flat elm]

Harbor of souls sounds like a metal album

[elder raven]

it sounds like a cosmic realm song

[warm ibex]

every environment needs to have repeated elements that can be pulled from an asset kit and modified. a lot of the original Urdak concepts had way too many unique elements and would've taken too much time and resources to fully realize. comes from Emerson Tung (like @flat elm said)

(paraphrasing, not a direct quote)

[warm ibex]

id always has some of the best talent in the business, the current concept team is certainly no exception

[obsidian shard]

And Animation Team is nutz

[warm ibex]

the things they do are crazy

[wintry forge]

https://tenor.com/view/justice-league-lex-luthor-shouldnt-we-have-a-league-of-our-own-legion-of-doom-league-gif-25214910

[flat elm]

I dream that Scorn's concept artist be working on Doom game

[harsh egret]

they're all nuts

[obsidian shard]

Real

[warm ibex]

hato coming in with a slam dunk

truth nuke, some might say

[harsh egret]

yh i had a lot to add to the conversation

[warm ibex]

beautiful

[slender night]

TDA DLC will have the Slayer say this after the sentinels order him to enter an arena filled with enemies trust

[obsidian shard]

Precisely why we need you goat

[harsh egret]

cinema

[slender night]

They're all nuts, Dot. What?

[warm ibex]

TDA DLC? oh, right uhhh

do we have a dlc release date yet

[obsidian shard]

Things are gonna get

Interesting....

[warm ibex]

any dlc news today

[harsh egret]

oh yeah the dlc

i forgot about it

[warm ibex]

when is the dlc releasing

[obsidian shard]

DLC yesterday

[elder raven]

dlc there

[fleet spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717363111308427309/1454155103593431102/IMG_20251226_110406.png?ex=69594979&is=6957f7f9&hm=0220430b4316aa500f202ab4823ffae1a53f69fded601e30ebdc0f5d77eea5f0&

[wintry forge]

“DLC will clearly be at the game awards guys!”

[slender night]

Soap is right it's literally under there

[warm ibex]

im ready for random monday trailer release

[harsh egret]

"why is it empty instert steamDB update history"

[wintry forge]

I really don’t want it to be at the dev direct

[warm ibex]

I really don't think it will be

[elder raven]

dlc on valentines day ❤️

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-crazy-psych-ward-gif-15933326940002899961

[wintry forge]

What’s the chance it’s actually there and not just a random date? Why is everyone so set on the dev direct?

[obsidian shard]

Words

[elder raven]

they’re going to do the same thing with ancient gods 2 and release dlc the day after the trailer trust me everyone now nOW NOW

[warm ibex]

because that's what this community does. any time speculation comes up it's always "it HAS to be at THIS event!!!"

[harsh egret]

the chance is very little, i dont know anyone that actually thinks theres a good chance for it to show up

[warm ibex]

no one here, but I'd say there's a good handful of people who think it's possible

[wintry forge]

I hate that stuff. It’s almost misinformation lol.

No shade to midnight, but he streamed the game awards like he was certain it would be there. I was 99% sure it wouldn’t be there

[obsidian shard]

DLC before GTA IV?

[harsh egret]

reminds me of someone else who thought something is dropping soon and it never did

[elder raven]

yeah lol

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-wide-shut-kubrick-occult-gif-22963122

Half Life 3 Tomorrow. Half Life 3 Tomorrow.

[fleet spruce]

Greatest social experiment ever

[wintry forge]

Predicting it now. Teaser will be February 11th, 2026, 3pm EST on YT

[slender night]

We are going back in time to release the DLC on PS3

[warm ibex]

I thought there was a pretty decent chance, but a lot of that was riding on them following the exact same timing as the indiana jones marketing

[elder raven]

as a mega man fan im really happy for another game but as a half life fan lol

[fleet spruce]

Holy shit, Dark Ages on PS3? Would be an interesting timeline

[wintry forge]

Past trends aren’t helping too much. TAG’s history and schedule has been unreliable so far

[slender night]

As a fan of neither I got to sleep that day

[obsidian shard]

FUCK, I always get it mixed up

[obsidian shard]

3-4 more months

[warm ibex]

they did follow the exact same pre-release marketing schedule as indiana jones though

[harsh egret]

tbf the longer we gotta wait the bigger i assume the dlc will be, so im letting them cook

[wintry forge]

“Interesting…”

[slender night]

Unless it went gold a bit ago and they're just watching us suffer

[wintry forge]

February 11th

[harsh egret]

wait did it lol

[warm ibex]

which is why I'm confident that, regardless of when it's actually announced, the DLC will release within the ballpark of three months after announcement

[flat elm]

I wonder what would be released first TDA DLC or Halo CE remake?

[elder raven]

dlc

[harsh egret]

nvm reading comprehension isnt very good atm

[wintry forge]

Definitely. I think it’ll be a swift release, maybe a month or two after the trailer

[harsh egret]

shadowdrops it with no trailer

[warm ibex]

im betting on three since that was the time between indiana jones dlc announcement and release

[elder raven]

funniest thing ever

[warm ibex]

that would be rather... interesting...

[wintry forge]

Tag 2 be like: Tomorrow

[fleet spruce]

Fascinating, even

[harsh egret]

just open the game one day and there it is, the dlc right below the campaign button

[slender night]

I'm betting on red, hopefully I go home a winner

[elder raven]

the dlc button will lead you to just doom 1 but ported to dark ages

[harsh egret]

peak

[elder raven]

no difference at all just classic doom

[warm ibex]

also for clarification, both games are published by bethesda and as a result seem to have the same outsourced company behind their marketing strats. it's not just a random correlation lol

[flat elm]

It would be reveal in stream and droped while Hugo playing this DLC.

It would be peak

[harsh egret]

yh imagine hugo just accidentally pulls up the build with the dlc and then leaks the title on the main menu or smth

[slender night]

I hope it has the same useless slant that the DOOM Eternal port had 🔥

[fleet spruce]

It will be revealed to me in a dream

[elder raven]

there will be one new level and its e1m1 but upside down

[elder raven]

this sounds like a hugo thing to do

[slender night]

The DLC will be named "Campaign DLC" I trust what Steam says

[wintry forge]

I have no idea what they’re gonna call the dlc lol. The base game’s title is long enough

[warm ibex]

during the eternal horde mode preview stream hugo pulled up the main campaign save file selection menu and one of them had blood swamps as the next mission lol. so I guess stuff like that is possible when streaming unreleased builds

[fleet spruce]

Woah

[harsh egret]

lmao what

[silent prawn]

next doom game is called "DOOM: EXTERNALEXCEPTIONERROR//PLEASEREPORTTODEV"

[flat elm]

DLC will be named "intersting ages of streaming"

[warm ibex]

tbf that wasn't a leak since TAG had been released for a year at the time, but just goes to show that wacky stuff happens

[flat elm]

What the heck

[warm ibex]

let me grab a screenshot of that lol

[slender night]

Marathon mode

Would be interesting as an ultra ultra nightmare

[wintry forge]

Nah he’s gonna write it on a sheet of paper and shove it in the screen

[elder raven]

ARMOR

[wintry forge]

“THE HIGH COUNCIL”
“PRAETOR SUIT”
“SPEAR”

“THIRA DIES”

[flat elm]

“Mobility"

[slender night]

"Gordon"
People celebrate thinking the DLC will be composed by Mick Gordon, but instead upon loading it up they find a certain crowbar...

[flat elm]

“Slayerdom"

[elder raven]

gman showing up as part of the cosmic realm 🔜

[warm ibex]

okay it might not have been the eternal horde mode preview specifically but I'm 1000% confident that it happened at some point since I thought that was the craziest shit at the time

and still remember it. fuck I wish I could find that

[wintry forge]

Nah it did. I remember the talk

[warm ibex]

good, good

[wintry forge]

Same way I know for a fact Hugo hyped up the Dark Lord fight to be “the greatest boss fight we’ve ever made” but I can’t find it anywhere

[versed quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-gabe-newell-gaben-valve-half-life-3-gif-1109234088693683184

[fleet spruce]

Damn, Gordon got sucked into one of those dimensional rifts

[flat elm]

Trying to find Alyx

[harsh egret]

prob was gonna be if they had like 2-3 more months maybe to work on tag 2

[elder raven]

i think this is one of the earlier streams

[slender night]

Year One Pass was tapping the clock

[wintry forge]

I remember him saying that, then the game released and everybody was like what the hell man

It was before TAG2 released (obviously lol) so definitely one of the earlier eternal streams

[fleet spruce]

didn't they also initially promised DLC to be something like scrapped Doom 4

[elder raven]

i think it was meant to be but they likely had so many ideas to take the fight that they didnt have enough time to flesh certain parts out (like one dragon transformation)

[slender night]

Yeah the original Steam store description says it'd be about a survivor on Earth iirc

[warm ibex]

I also remember that lol

[wintry forge]

The whole reason that game got screwed over. DLC’s time crunch/rush, ost release, mick issue, all of that

[slender night]

I wonder how bad people would whine if we did end up getting it and we weren't playing as some sort of giga strong omega atomsplitter

[wintry forge]

All because of time crunches and having a due date

[flat elm]

Yup, but in old steam description

[slender night]

The ironic thing about all of this is that they were once known for their "when it's done" release philosophy

[flat elm]

Carmack's words

[wintry forge]

Carmack’s precedent should’ve been utilized

[slender night]

I specifically remember an interview with the director of Heretic II saying he wishes they could also do something like that. They did get the game finished on time though, but it released a week before Half-Life, so they still got fucked over :p

[wintry forge]

Then Hugo came in and RUINED what doom 4 was supposed to be, how dare he (I’m gaslighting bro)

[warm ibex]

I just know it, deep down in my very soul, that the half life 3 reveal trailer is being posted the day after the tda DLC reveal trailer and that shit is getting drowned out IMMEDIATELY

[flat elm]

When the orignal project was died, and their doing from scratch

[versed quarry]

It's not gaslighting though it's just lying.

[slender night]

What do you think gaslighting is

[wintry forge]

Usually what gaslighting is bro lmao

[versed quarry]

lying that causes someone to question their reality

[warm ibex]

convincing nonbelievers of the cold hard facts

[fleet spruce]

Doom 4 may have been scrapped but it still lives on in many different forms...

[wintry forge]

Doom 4 was the true vision

[flat elm]

Gas the lighting

[wintry forge]

Call of Doom was the way it was meant to be

[slender night]

Maybe it's lighting the gas

[warm ibex]

we only have the modern trilogy because of doom 4 🤷

[wintry forge]

I’m a traditionalist, bring back the roots of doom 2016 with OG doom 4

[slender night]

DOOM 4 looked similiar to RAGE 1 and I loved that game so idk about you guys but I'd love to see a playable build of D4

[warm ibex]

doom slayer riding cthulhu wouldn't exist without traditional cod shooter doom flopping so hard

[slender night]

I'd also like a DOOM 4 just so that Quake 4 isn't the only number 4 that id's IPs have lol

[wintry forge]

People needed the wake up call that was doom 4 so that they could understand and grasp the concept that would be the modern doom trilogy

[fleet spruce]

Honestly would be cool to see a game like that progresses from that to 2016 style gameplay as you get better gear and power ups n shit

[slender night]

RAGE 2...

[warm ibex]

people today need to play doom 4 so they can understand what an actual mediocre doom game looks like and get off TDA's ass

[flat elm]

Ironiclly TDA is more close to Doom 4 than to the classic Doom:
Heavy story focus, turret sections and parry mechanic.

[wintry forge]

Ong, tda is too peak for that mistreatment

[slender night]

They need to understand what a mediocre DOOM game looks like and realize their deep hidden hatred for TDA

Or alternatively just get a few DOOMtubers to say "yeah TDA sucks". Instant brainwashing

[fleet spruce]

Before release it look liked to me they were using melee system similar to scrapped Doom 4, it still kinda is actually if you use flail or gauntlet

[obsidian shard]

Theirs a "TDA music Sucks video" that seems so forced, Like a whole point in the short is "No Mick"

[warm ibex]

I don't want to get anything going in here but I really do think the general obsession with eternal and the hate towards TDA simply because it's not Eternal II is legitimately embarrassing and makes me not want to associate with the doom community

[slender night]

plays an id Software game
expects it to play the same as the last one
Mfw

[wintry forge]

I think TDA is overhated. I couldn’t imagine not having it and getting something else instead

[manic arch]

Yeah, especially since its a prequel game

[wintry forge]

Wasn’t the 2016 shotgun almost identical to doom 4’s? Pretty sure at least. One of the only things that made the Final Cut as is lol

[slender night]

TDA is an awesome game, just a shame it cannibalizes some of what Hexen had going

[obsidian shard]

Like most of the weapon models are the same

[fleet spruce]

Watch them crumble with the sequel to Eternal

[obsidian shard]

Combat shotgun
SSG
Plasma rifle
Rocket launcher

[fleet spruce]

That and double barrel are among surviving assets

[manic arch]

Not if they do cyberpunk Doom

[wintry forge]

I meant the SSG, yes lmao

[warm ibex]

doom fans will weep when id software inevitably makes an Eternal sequel and it's, shockingly, also not a copy and paste of Eternal

[flat elm]

Funny enough, I encountred one Day a preson who says that Doom 4 is better Eternal and TDA because, 2016 is formed from this game. And more in line to classic game. And of course enternal is LGBT propoganda.

[brittle finch]

The ray traced ambient occlusion looks SO good

[fleet spruce]

This is conspiracy theory type shit lmao

[brittle finch]

How is it LGBT propaganda? 😭

[wintry forge]

Imagine still hating on TDA in 2026

[slender night]

The lightning gun

[brittle finch]

They’re also probably forgetting a few letters

[wintry forge]

Tf?

[flat elm]

Because is too gamey and colourful

[manic arch]

The bald scientist guy, duh

[brittle finch]

It’s the least stuttery modern game that I’ve played

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[wintry forge]

Outta here

[fleet spruce]

Mfs when games look and feel like games

[wintry forge]

Doomicorn, thats why 🤓

[brittle finch]

I prefer when games look like real life

[wintry forge]

I prefer when games are fun

[slender night]

I actually understand saying something is too gamey

[brittle finch]

The Avatar game is peak for that exact reason

[slender night]

The term is silly, arcadey fits more

But it is valid imo

[flat elm]

Ironically, he had a colorful furry avatar.

[obsidian shard]

One of the few guns to be in every DOOM game since 2016

[manic arch]

I don’t care how games look outside of the lighting

[brittle finch]

It’s meant to feel like an arcade game. Hence them adding 1 ups. lol

[slender night]

I don't remember seeing it in Eternal or TDA

[brittle finch]

I think good lightning and ambient occlusion is important

[manic arch]

I’m a fat fucking chud who is obsessed with game lighting

[slender night]

Floating green weapons 🫡

[fleet spruce]

Ah yes , give me that cutting edge below acceptable performance at the cost of a car

[brittle finch]

Same

[obsidian shard]

Sentinels have it

[slender night]

Oh huh

[brittle finch]

The Avatar game runs at respectable FPS and looks like real life

[fleet spruce]

To be fair it does wonders for visual, literally makes or breaks stuff

[brittle finch]

The gameplay is meh tho

[manic arch]

Bro I hate the people who make classic Doom so ugly with that ai upscale mod when Doom 1&2 are so pretty, they just need better lighting with brightmaps and relighting

[slender night]

Texture filtering!!! My beloved!!!

[brittle finch]

I like the Doom 2 RTX Remix tho

[slender night]

People who play very pixelated games with texture filtering are incomprehensible to me

[manic arch]

Blur city

[brittle finch]

Higher texture quality would definitely help some older games look slightly better imo

[slender night]

Sonic 3 footage from 17 years ago with stretched footage and texture filtering mmm I love slop

[slender night]

Texture filtering doesn't upscale the textures it just blurs them, and usually looks far far worse

[manic arch]

UZDoom was my savior by auto disabling texture filters

[fleet spruce]

i don't mind filtering but Jesus Christ the stretching to fill the screen is absolutely hideous

[brittle finch]

CRT monitor

[slender night]

Humans look unbelievably uncanny when stretched in games

You can like, disable that in NVIDIA Control Panel, very weird to me it's not disabled by default

[brittle finch]

Granted, 60 Hz CRT monitors are a bit expensive iirc

[brittle finch]

Lmao

[fleet spruce]

Well, they're not supposed to look like that

[brittle finch]

16:10 kinda stretches things but not in a gross way

[slender night]

Yeah but most other things look fine

Well, as in not uncanny, still pretty ugly

[ebon lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/large-putin-gif-18014173

[slender night]

I think the FNaF games are the only games I prefer stretched

[harsh egret]

im used to it from cs

and then i play cs on 16:9 and every corridor feels so narrow lol

[fleet spruce]

Now that i think about it - green and purple were both present in Urdak just as they were in the cosmic realm and both are very much dying dimensions struggling to find fuel to keep running...

betting a half eaten cheeseburger that Davoth used cosmic realm as a blueprint for Urdak

[frail bloom]

See I knew there had to be more, no way he drew it first try

Also I prefer the one we got. But I will say, take the one on the upper left, get rid of his scoliosis and paint him red. Boom, doom 1 cover art demon.

[frail bloom]

I wouldn't try it again now, but tbf at the time there was a good chance they showed a trailer. Now I wasn't dead set so it isn't a huge deal

[wintry forge]

I never figured it would show at something like the game awards. But ya never know for sure so

[frail bloom]

I mean dlc's have been shown off before, according to some info I've received on here. Basically nothing approved or disproved, so it was 50/50

All I'm sure, is that it's gotta be huge

[harsh egret]

hmm... apparently they did showcase a dlc for elder scrolls online...

back in 2023

[frail bloom]

Ye so there was some merit to the prediction

But y'know it's like january now

But we've learned smt

id don't gaf abt the "right time", they care abt their time

[harsh egret]

idk, lets say im going from 5% thinking it could be there to like 15%

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life-3-hopium-hope-valve-gif-6767220579130906486

that actually surprises me

I don't remember that ever happening and I've watched every dev direct so far. I'm getting old

[harsh egret]

and it was a 5 minute quick announcement for a June update...

[harsh egret]

idk man... make it 25%

[warm ibex]

so they are willing to do short teasers for upcoming xbox-related dlc content...

that's very...

hmm.

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1440762974569627789/hugo_interesting....png?ex=69595895&is=69580715&hm=964cd867f6aeb5bc16d94d191da400e32bb519aa5f4e237af344a1bf22a4974f&

[empty furnace]

holy shi the ravager is awesome

[warm ibex]

hell yeah it is

skull crusher pulverizer is my favorite weapon design in any game ever. wish it felt better to use

[warm ibex]

either way, that dlc reveal is gonna hit like crack when it finally drops

[harsh egret]

you bet

[frail bloom]

Oh you were talking abt the dev direct

[harsh egret]

oh lol i thought u were too, realized just now that was about tga

[frail bloom]

Ye well we'll see

Shouldn't be too long now

[warm ibex]

unless tda dlc is saved as a surprise reveal, we should know for sure next week

or the week after. not too long either way, they only have a limited amount of time left to announce the lineup

[harsh egret]

yh past 2 years they revealed the games on the 9th it seems, so could be next week

i like how for eternal when they first revealed the game they didnt have the weak point system, but they added it for release.
now for tda, they had the weakpoint system in the dev direct but ended up removing it

[obsidian shard]

The only event I can think of is in June! Or Possibly the DOOM 2016 10th anniversary stream

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1456771415658467381/image.png?ex=6959939a&is=6958421a&hm=f4ead5b501786eaa6de98a083c56d36503bc0d0a152e26ab15816dd8efc4db05&

[frail bloom]

Ye I always noticed that

[obsidian shard]

Ohhh ya lmao

[frail bloom]

June is too far for a trailer sorry

[harsh egret]

i mean hey, the dev direct theory is a little back

[frail bloom]

I ain't putting anything on that theory

Or his theory

[harsh egret]

i hope im not getting people's hopes too up tho, best to just wait and see

[frail bloom]

They prob also removed it cuz let's be honest it would be a bloated addition

No weapons really synergize with that option

Except maybe the impaler

[harsh egret]

ye i mean the demons die so fast that unless u use the impaler for it theres no point in spamming the weakpoint when u can spam the demon itself and kill it probably just as fast

[green estuary]

well weakpoints were never about killing the demons faster

they were about removing their ability to deal damage to you

[harsh egret]

yh but theres just no weapon for it now

and they dont want us to just switch to the impaler non stop surely

[green estuary]

yeah there's really no point tbh

[frail bloom]

That's right but it's prob quicker to just shield bash and ssg an arachno

[harsh egret]

and using anything else to shoot it makes no sense when u can just kill the demon just as fast

[frail bloom]

We're back to good ol headshots now

Or the arm removal thing ig

[silent prawn]

i got all 28 steam achievements in 28 hours

nice

[void hornet]

Hey my graphics cards has 12 gb of Vram and I got the texture pool setting on 2048, if I increase it a little, will the game be less likely to run into frame dips? Because I'm running into those from time to time

[harsh egret]

that would make the game use more vram and i dont see how that would fix ur frame drops, so probably not

[obsidian shard]

FUCK IT, DLC TRAILER in MAY

[frail bloom]

No brah

[flat elm]

Wait what?

[frail bloom]

Just no

[harsh egret]

hm?

oh lol

[obsidian shard]

nah nah nah, YOU Brought it upon us

[frail bloom]

Nah

Inconcievabe

[flat elm]

Weak point system still in the game?

[harsh egret]

no, that was from the dev direct

[obsidian shard]

thats from the dev direct

[flat elm]

Ah

[void hornet]

Ok thanks for letting me know

[green estuary]

is your cpu the bottleneck?

[void hornet]

What do you mean?

[green estuary]

I mean is your cpu significantly less powerful than your gpu

like for instance with an intel i5 and a 4090, the cpu is the bottleneck here

[void hornet]

I don't think so, my GPU is an rtx 3060 and my CPU is an Intel I5-12400F

[green estuary]

yeah idk then
assuming you're on a desktop, your graphics card is more powerful than mine and I never experience frame drops at all

[void hornet]

Yeah It's so weird man, I remember playing tda through game pass shortly after it came out and I don't remember having frame drops

[ionic sinew]

Any news on dlc release date?

[stone pasture]

Omnipotent mayonnaise

[frail bloom]

No

[versed quarry]

Always bet on tomorrow.

[ionic sinew]

Ah ok fair enough. Cheers people

[frail bloom]

Cheers

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/rickroll-roll-rick-never-gonna-give-you-up-never-gonna-gif-22954713

[warm ibex]

man I hope it's not the 9th 💀

[violet zealot]

Wasup

[obsidian shard]

why?

[frail bloom]

What's on the 9th

[warm ibex]

only weekend this month I have prior commitments that will be difficult to move

[obsidian shard]

Ahhh, Hope everything goes well!

[warm ibex]

thank you!

[empty furnace]

DOOM TOMORROW

[frail bloom]

Wouldn't it just be revealed tho, like on a list

How'd it go last time

[warm ibex]

yeah but if they stream on the 8th and TDA dlc is included in the announced showcase games on the 9th then I'll need to make a vid

[frail bloom]

Oh a vid

I see

[warm ibex]

yeah I still try to get news vids out asap

[frail bloom]

Yo I got a fail safe idea

It's like dumb but

[empty furnace]

what are the advantages to using power gauntlet over the flail

[frail bloom]

Maybe you pre-record just in case?

Have the voice stuff ready

Ik it's dumb bc we have no idea if it pops up

Or y'know the other thing you can do is just do what you have to

Prob the better option idk

[frail bloom]

Everything

[obsidian shard]

Have me edit (TRUST)

My editing skills are improving.... slowly but surely

[frail bloom]

I fully trust

Sneaky got it

[heady trout]

the flail might as well heal enemies with how little damage it does, how tf did the Slayer kill Asscrack with that feather

i forced myself to use it to get the challenge in Seige part 1

and i don't think i killed anything outside of fodder with it

[warm ibex]

not at all a bad idea and something I have done in the past, but the details would be too specific for me to pre record. Primarily since I need the specific date and time along with the TDA artwork that's revealed along with it

[frail bloom]

Hmm yeah

[warm ibex]

last year we got a fraction of the main cover art revealed through the dev direct announcement and I'd definitely want to talk about the dlc art too

I appreciate the suggestion though, that's smart

[frail bloom]

Ye yur welcome

[warm ibex]

hmm... have the GOAT edit my video...

interesting...

[obsidian shard]

It wouldn't match your peakness tho

[strong moth]

Have they confirmed the stream for the 8th?

[shell verge]

Hi

[empty furnace]

how do i trigger the lightning arc damage for the cycler?

[tranquil badge]

you shoot an enemy until they gets a lightning effect, and then you kill them, the lightning arcs over and does some damage, and the cycle repeats

[fading bone]

yeah it doesnt work on fodder since they die too quickly

gotta target larger enemies to have it trigger

[obsidian shard]

TDA levels are 4-10X larger than Eternal levels EACH...

HOW

[hard thistle]

Calcium Dream

[frail bloom]

Yo this is random but everytime I go on an muricaneagle vid he's just cussing ppl out😭 🙏

Like why is bro on that time

[hard thistle]

I am Calcium Man.

When I sleep, I see Calcium Dream

[empty furnace]

i ended up just shooting enemies until i got the mastery

[tranquil badge]

yeah thats kinda how it goes

I think I got it during my first playthrough since I use the cycler a lot

[empty furnace]

i used the cycler alot, except i never upgraded it

[tranquil badge]

Oof

[empty furnace]

i either upgraded the weapons i liked (super shotty, impaler) or didn't get gold

tho my first mastery was the rocket launcher because i heard about the cannibalism buff

[tranquil badge]

I ended up upgrading most of the weapons evenly through my first playthrough. I have an itch when it comes to 100%ing stuff so I really like getting all the gold

I played siege 1 like 3 times trying to find a single piece of gold

[empty furnace]

im currently working on the chainshot mastery

[empty furnace]

does it count towards an achievement?

[tranquil badge]

Nope

I just wanted the thing to say 100% instead of 99

[empty furnace]

thats fair

i genuinely have never even touched the pulverizer or grenade luncher

[tranquil badge]

The grenade launcher is fun

one of the upgrades gives you cluster bombs on direct hits

I forgot which one the pulverizer is but I prefer the one that has the tighter spread

[empty furnace]

the ravager

ravager has a tighter spread

[tranquil badge]

Ah

[empty furnace]

and gives you healing with some upgrades

[tranquil badge]

yeah I love the ravager

pulverizer is ok for like 5 minutes before it kinda doesn't do enough for me

[empty furnace]

i used the pulverizer for like a second

[tranquil badge]

Yeah I think i used it on the weapon intro room and then stopped using it

[empty furnace]

can i farm enemy masteries on ripatorium?

[tranquil badge]

Dont believe so

[obsidian shard]

To add on this:

Dark ages would've been about 44-110GB larger than it is concurrently and would've taken about 1-2 months to render each map (if they make changes they have to re-render)

It's also one of the reasons why loading times are so fast, since it doesn't have to load-in the light map

[obsidian shard]

#artwork

[hazy pasture]

Azhrak's Abyss...

Impressive naming

[harsh egret]

Yh hopefully one day more people start complaining less about forced RT, especially when it's so well implemented in tda

Its beyond me how some people call the devs lazy for using RT when it probably wouldve taken another 2 years to develop this game if not for it. But then people also want bigger games while there also being complaints about how long gamea are taking to develop nowadays

And I also hope people start realising that RT doesn't have to just be "slightly better reflections" cuz some people seem to think that and carry that belief even to newer games that use it in other areas as well

[fading bone]

ill be honest i have no idea what ray tracing even is

[mystic barn]

Make pretty

[solid nacelle]

Basically real time lighting rather than pre baked

[fading bone]

why does that make the game take less time to develop

and the file size smaller?

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[obsidian shard]

Pre-baked has to be rendered when they are making it.

The Eternal maps took 40+ hours per map! And if anything happens they have to start over, so it takes a long time!

It also speeds development up by the fact the devs can see their work instantly instead of waiting, so they can add more and make stuff bigger without waitin

It takes less size cause pre-baked lighting takes up more due to everything needed some form of lighting space

[harsh egret]

same thing applies to cutscenes so saves lots of time there as well

[obsidian shard]

Yup

The uhh 50 min video I posted in Videos explains why they used RT

Eternal's RT update was a DEMO for them lmao

Also Machine Games and id work hand in hand for engine tech

Since they are both small studios

[slender night]

MachineGames is pretty awesome, one of only three developers to work on three of id's IPs without being id themselves (aside from porting jobs)

[fading bone]

interesting

[flat elm]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Cosmic_baron#Development

Cosmic baron's deveopment insights

[obsidian shard]

Peak, ty Overdose!

side note The size chart comparison is amazing

[flat elm]

NP

Pretty intersting, that Emerson also took inspiration from Ultraman's monsters

[eager thistle]

Hugo I need you or one of the doom goons to fix the power gauntlets in the ripatorium please

Felling like im gonna pull up to Id software to get this apparently niche bug that nobody talks about fixed

[harsh egret]

what bug?

[eager thistle]

The power gauntlets being broken

Kick doesnt falter and the 4th hit is non existent

What a sick profile btw holy shit

[harsh egret]

tyty

[harsh egret]

#videos message for me it seems to work fine

[eager thistle]

???????

Yeah it does

[harsh egret]

not a bug ive ever heard of before so no wonder nobody is talking about it

idk

[eager thistle]

Yeah no wonder I just figured no one has noticed it since I never see people use the gauntlets in the ripatorium

It worked fine for me until ripatorium 2.0

[harsh egret]

ive used the gauntlets just fine

[eager thistle]

I guess Ill just try to reinstall the game to fix it

[harsh egret]

yeah, no clue

[flat elm]

Here we should also thank other editors.
User Hell night for the description of the appearance, tactical analysis and also xymph and others for the cleanup of dev section.

[vocal dock]

Adding multiplayer to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Doom 2016? Ok, thanks. ❤️ Happy new year!

[void hornet]

@green estuary hey sorry to bother you but I was wondering, do you know for sure that you never run into frame rate dips, as in you checked it using performance metrics, or is it something you just never visually noticed?

[frail bloom]

No actually, dork ages is the least optimized game of 2025 ☝️

[flat elm]

https://x.com/DrawBreak/status/1996673594059862403

DrawBreak (@DrawBreak)

No te pierdas la presentación del famoso Artista Conceptual @mirabalart quien realizó casi la mitad de personajes de Doom: The Dark Ages!!! y quien además realizará una Master Class solo para #DrawBreak

Toda la info en: https://t.co/ISarvf1usH
#db8 #characterdesign #doom

X · Dec 4, 2025, 8:10 PM

[random sand]

can we count ports to pc? if so then spider-man 2 takes that cake

[frail bloom]

No what I say is reality

So shhhh

[random sand]

[fading bone]

time for a good old spire of nerathul

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/gobble-gif-1825124555203003299

What playing eternal feels like after nothing but Dark Ages for a month

[green estuary]

I have my game display my frame rate

[slender night]

I kept trying to block Hell Knights after my first post-TDA Eternal replay 💔

[frail bloom]

Projectiles are fast in eternal

Only thing that surprised me again

[solar spoke]

relatable

[void hornet]

Then could you tell me which settings where you running it on? And was it always at 60 fps?

[green estuary]

Just the high preset, DLSS quality at 1080p

It’s essentially locked at 60 yeah

Might dip to high 50s in demanding areas but that’s about it

[void hornet]

That's also what happens to me, but the thing is it sometimes also dips to 45 during executions in those demanding areas

[green estuary]

[slender night]

45 is still good isn't it

[frail bloom]

Ehhh

[harsh egret]

for his specs id expect more

i just think theres some other underlying issue he's having, idk

[slender night]

What's the target fps?

[harsh egret]

mainly talking about the fact that he keeps having fps drops

[green estuary]

Well also dipping to 45 during executions doesn’t even matter, because it’s a synced animation

[slender night]

Well yeah but 45 isn't a bad frame drop from like, 60 fps, but a terrible one from 120, which is why I'm asking what the target fps is

[frail bloom]

Should be 60 and above

[harsh egret]

he'd have to tell u but i just remember he said his game was freezing often for like 0,5 sec

[slender night]

Stuttering my beloved

I'd rather be stuck at a locked 20fps than have a stuttery game go from 60 to 20

[frail bloom]

There should be a console version for the pc ngl

Cuz on mine it stays 60

[harsh egret]

what is bro sayin

[frail bloom]

What bro is saying is that there should be a potato version

Ik they did some optimization stuff for the console

[harsh egret]

the guy has a pc barely worse than a ps5

he isnt on some potato

[frail bloom]

Isn't the ps5 worse

[harsh egret]

than what

[frail bloom]

He has a 3080 right

[harsh egret]

3060

iirc

[fading bone]

nerathul has been bested yet again

[frail bloom]

Isn't the ps5 specs like a 2060 or smt

[fading bone]

also how the hell are any of you playing at less than 60 fps

that shit would feel like molasses

[frail bloom]

Not me

[slender night]

This is why I'm never getting a monitor above 60hz

[harsh egret]

not from what google is telling me lol

[frail bloom]

Ah

What does google say

[fading bone]

?????

youre still on a 60hz?

[harsh egret]

like 3060ti and stuff

[slender night]

I am

[fading bone]

brother

you need to have your eyes opened

its literal night and day

[frail bloom]

Oh that's not bad

[harsh egret]

60hz gaming in 2026 is criminal

what are we doing bruv

[slender night]

You don't get it man I mostly play old games, I get too used to ultra high hz and they'll be borderline unplayable to me

[fading bone]

brother is 15 years behind schedule at least lol

[foggy fable]

30fps is more than fine

[void hornet]

I have a 3060 yes

[frail bloom]

Inconcievable

[slender night]

Also motion sickness, it's too smooth

[fading bone]

this has to be bait theres no way

[foggy fable]

It’s not

[frail bloom]

My buddy makes fun of me for it lol

[fading bone]

30fps looks like absolute ass lmao

[slender night]

I agree with Bob

[harsh egret]

we had this conversation not long ago lol

[fading bone]

literal slide show

[foggy fable]

A steady 30 is not a literal slide show

[frail bloom]

Says he can't tell the diff between 30 and 60

[fading bone]

it absolutely feels like it

[harsh egret]

i agree but not everyone does

[slender night]

I would've preferred this be bait than a genuine comment 😭

[frail bloom]

I wish I was like that

[foggy fable]

No you can tell the difference for sure

But 30fps is more than fine

60 is nice. Yes.
120 is nice, but only really super needed for competitive games
Singleplayer? 30 is fine

[void hornet]

I know that dropping to 45 is not that bad but my issue is that I don't remember it happening when I played the game on game pass

[fading bone]

im losin it

[foggy fable]

I can tell

[frail bloom]

Idk for modern times, less then 60 just feels bad

[harsh egret]

i just dont wanna have this conversation again cuz ill be losing it too

lol

[frail bloom]

Like why are we still at 30

[slender night]

Trust me we're losing it too

[fading bone]

60 feels bad even

[slender night]

How do you guys even watch movies brah

[fading bone]

just using my shitty pc at work at 60hz feels like im digging through mud

[frail bloom]

I'm groovy with 60

[harsh egret]

tbf thats a huge difference lol

[slender night]

Is it though

[harsh egret]

no

[fading bone]

yeah movies is a massive difference

[frail bloom]

60 is good for me

[fading bone]

movies are meant to be lower fps

and i dislike super high frame rate TVs for watching movies

[harsh egret]

^

[fading bone]

but doing things on a PC you need the smoothness

[slender night]

Not really

This is proving what I said earlier, never getting a high hz monitor so I can peacefully keep playing my shitty old games

[harsh egret]

especially when ur in control of the game lol, it feels like ass if it were at movie fps

[fading bone]

you can play your old shitty games with high hz lol

i play starcraft 1 at 144hz and it feels amazing

[slender night]

Yeah because it's Starcraft

Nobody's out there making 144hz mods of what I play

[frail bloom]

My buddy made fun of me cuz I hated playing apex on 30 fps

And I was on a ps5

[harsh egret]

low fps games wont suddently feel that different on higher refresh rate monitors lmao

[frail bloom]

I said it was unnacceptable

[slender night]

I won't know 😌

[obsidian shard]

60 FPS should be standard
30 FPS is fine, especially for the games that get super complex shit going on (GTA)

[fading bone]

the monitor refresh rate wont suddenly make the game feel like its skipping beats or something lol

[foggy fable]

Apex shouldn’t be running at 30fps on ps5 tho

[slender night]

You are saying 60 hz feels sluggish though...

[harsh egret]

i mean at some point u might need a more modern, better monitor lol

so it should be good to know

[slender night]

Get a 144hz monitor, too used to it, oh well, suddenly 30 fps feels weird, and that's what most of what I play is on

[slender night]

I'll be like those angry patient gamers that are running shitty hardware saying Steam is a cancer to the industry

[frail bloom]

Ye apparently I loaded the game before the assets loaded in

[harsh egret]

lmao

[foggy fable]

Because people want games to look better and do more at once. That comes at computing power costs. If we don’t go bigger and better we can keep the higher fps at the cost of physics or graphical fidelity or enemy ai or more

[frail bloom]

It had a 120 fps option so I was good after

[foggy jasper]

I play Doom at 15 fps and it's great

[fading bone]

no way LMAO

that one has to be bait

[slender night]

Okay even I can say that's a little crazy 😭

[frail bloom]

That makes sense for some games, but I'd say the baseline is 60

[foggy fable]

The dark ages runs at half the fps of eternal but is also MUCH larger maps 4 times the enemy count and so on

[frail bloom]

For fps games

[harsh egret]

i think we are being gaslit into thinking high refresh rate is not the way games should be played

[fading bone]

i will not be gaslit

[harsh egret]

or high fps should i say

[foggy fable]

I mean. It’s really not

[fading bone]

i know im right

[foggy jasper]

I'm kidding, I get sub 60 fps

[harsh egret]

MODERN games, ill add to that

[foggy fable]

Games are meant to be played by simply playing them. The graphical level or fps count doesn’t matter. As long as you are playing and having fun

[frail bloom]

Fps is part of the fun for some ppl

[slender night]

I mean you unlock fps in something like Quake and shit breaks, that's not meant to be played that way lol

[fading bone]

i like my games to not feel like its running through a meat grinder

[wide siren]

i’m playing tda at 240hz now, but had a 60hz monitor for the longest time. for most games i think 60 was just fine. i do like the smoothness though

[harsh egret]

its like a fundemental thing, if its not 60+ depending on the game then it does feel like shit yes

[slender night]

I ain't saying high fps is bad, I'm just Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud over here, saying I don't intend to go for above 60hz

[foggy fable]

Thankfully I’m not one of those people. Sounds exhausting if a huge part of my enjoyment is tied to a number of frames

[frail bloom]

I've died on some games cuz my fps tanked in a demanding scene, like E33

[harsh egret]

it doesnt have to be if u just have the hardware for it, not sure why its exhausting

[fading bone]

its not exhausting because the game looks buttery smooth to me

[frail bloom]

You gotta hit a parry, oops you died!!!

Attack came out a bit late

[slender night]

I had this too on Rayman Jungle Run's PC port which is depressing because it's a Ubisoft port of a mobile game that runs terribly on good graphics cards. I mean like, single digit fps

[harsh egret]

the only exhausting thing is figuring out what pc parts to get and then ur set

[frail bloom]

I'm not advocating for insane numbers but 60 should be just fine

[slender night]

Also like I said earlier I get motion sickness from how smooth it gets :p

[fading bone]

thats wild

[harsh egret]

fk man i really didnt wanna have this conversation again

[frail bloom]

We'll have a different one

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1282226368880578561/1369178342062034984/Untitled_design_1.gif

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-watching-eating-popcorn-drama-gif-12252109670276761360

[frail bloom]

Would y'all say dark ages was the least optimized game of 2025(answer is no)

[harsh egret]

sneaky lurking in this chat be like

[fading bone]

im going to go back to my imaginary bubble that everyone uses 120hz+ monitors and forget this all happened

[frail bloom]

Guess where I got it from

[frail bloom]

Not some random person

[obsidian shard]

I'm loosing brain cells looking at this "Debate"
ITS GOING NOWHERE FAST
Also whats crackin Hato?

Hi Bob!

[harsh egret]

[foggy fable]

Hi sneaky!

Being sneaky I see

[frail bloom]

[foggy fable]

With a dash of cool

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-dog-gif-9693408977083628631

[foggy fable]

And 30% jay

[harsh egret]

just chillin working on stuff

[foggy fable]

Can’t wait for that switch 2 port of TDA

[fading bone]

whats everyones favorite dark ages weapon to use with their buttery smooth 120hz+ monitors??

[green estuary]

for sure
battlefield 6 is clearly a more optimized game because it runs on my pc at higher frame rates

[fading bone]

that we all own and love using???

[frail bloom]

Oh what abt the spiderman game

[foggy fable]

I love using my 120hz monitor to play at 25fps TDA with the nice stake gun

[harsh egret]

on my 360hz monitor i like the accelerator

[fading bone]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-talk-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-stop-speaking-shut-up-tim-robinson-gif-15223221913659297626

[frail bloom]

Ok how abt this

[slender night]

On my 60hz TV I love the super shotgun

[foggy fable]

I LOVE this gun

[frail bloom]

Would you say it shouldn't have had raytracing at all

I'm leading into smt

[fading bone]

this image is what it looks like to play on 25fps

[green estuary]

no

[frail bloom]

Ok so guess where I got this from

[foggy fable]

Raytracing helps with dev time and isn’t as power demanding as it was before.

[harsh egret]

it should have even more raytracing, the more raytracing the better

i hope next update brings more raytracing

[obsidian shard]

I use the Reanimator and Axe!

[fading bone]

the what now

[green estuary]

I legitimately do not have an issue with TDA looking absolutely stunning and running at just 60 fps on my machine rather than looking like eternal and running at 120 fps

[frail bloom]

A. Synthetic man
B. Act man
C. Muricaneagle
D. Midnight
E. Beansprout

[void hornet]

Please no, I'm pretty sure it would hinder my performance even more 😭

[green estuary]

I already know it's muricaneagle, you can't fool me

[frail bloom]

You'll be surprised

[foggy fable]

Long past are the days where raytracing would lose like 80% of your frames.
Now that’s what path tracing does.
Path tracing as of yet is still not worth it for any games

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

HAAAA

[obsidian shard]

Act man?

[frail bloom]

How did you know

[green estuary]

how else would I know lmao
because I watch his videos

[frail bloom]

Bro he's scary

[harsh egret]

when framegen gets better it will be playable, atm pathtracing + x2 framegen is pretty alright but framegen still needs some improvements

still framegen has relatively low input delay in tda compared to other games

[slender night]

My only experience with MuricanEagle or any of his content is one time when I was in a Classic DOOM deathmatch round with him and I said "shoutout quake 4" and got the depressing response of "quake 4 suck". Heart shattered instantly

[foggy fable]

Yeee but path tracing is also so much more demanding over raytracing with only slightly better visuals. For now it’s not remotely worth it

[void hornet]

Thing with my rig is that I would use fsr frame gen to get 60 fps and above, but my monitor which is actually just a tv, is 60hz

[frail bloom]

Bro he's intense

[void hornet]

And using vsync doesn't apply when using fsr

[harsh egret]

yeah but what im tryina say is u can get the fps back through framegen, or even more once the input delay later on becomes less noticeable

[green estuary]

like I honestly don't care about the extra performance requirements in TDA
I have a 165hz 16 inch laptop display and a 60hz 27 inch monitor, so the only way I get to actually see the benefits of eternal's "superior optimization" is by playing it on a much smaller screen

[hazy pasture]

Y'all watch MuricanEagle? I stopped watching after watching him yelling at folks for supporting RT lmao

[green estuary]

I don't as much any more

but I still get his vids on my reocmmended

[frail bloom]

His content is fire but he's intense

[hazy pasture]

The 150% sped up TDA player seething cuz of RT

[hazy pasture]

Same

[frail bloom]

I can't tell if he likes the game or not

[harsh egret]

nope

[frail bloom]

I really can't

He mods the hell out of it but do you really like the game then

[hazy pasture]

I don't really think he likes TDA

[frail bloom]

Adds like double jump, omni sprint and quick switching

Unrecognizable

[hazy pasture]

He prolly plays it cuz it's newly out and all

He makes it look like Wish Doom Eternal

Which is why I kinda hate his content

[slender night]

I looked up his channel real quick and very bizarre the video meant to defend TDA's title as a real DOOM game has a mod to make it look more like the first game 😭

[green estuary]

I don't really care tbh
I'm way past caring about whether or not some content creator likes a game I enjoy playing or not

[frail bloom]

He can dislike it that's alr

[fading bone]

so true

[frail bloom]

But it's fascinating how intense he is

[fading bone]

content creators are big dummy doodoo heads

[frail bloom]

There's one comment thread where it's like 200 responses long

On his channel

[hazy pasture]

Nuh uh don't diss my goat Horse mode gaming

[hazy pasture]

LMAO

[frail bloom]

Of just back and forth "adoption, your mom and dad, autism" insults

"Consume slop, you're a dumbass" insults

[hazy pasture]

Eh fair enough

[slender night]

Immediately checked the comment section out of curiosity and saw him calling somebody a slur over TDA lol what a great start

[hazy pasture]

Yeah Eternal over the top fangirling

[frail bloom]

See bro intense

[fading bone]

he sounds nice

[hazy pasture]

It's a rare sight that doom fans love every entry

Almost non existent

[frail bloom]

He can love what he wants

[foggy fable]

Ok ok let’s not goo around dragging people

[frail bloom]

But does bro have to be so intense

[foggy fable]

What’s the parts yall like best about TDA

[hazy pasture]

Noted sire

[harsh egret]

idk but does it matter

[slender night]

Improved storytelling and more traditional metal OST

[harsh egret]

just dont watch him

[hazy pasture]

Fat Chungus Maykr

[fading bone]

is laughing at someone for using slurs "dragging someone"?

[frail bloom]

As a content creator, wouldn't you want to be a bit more professional idk

Be an example

[hazy pasture]

Not everyone is the same mate

[frail bloom]

Being professional isn't a trait

[harsh egret]

being professional isnt a requirement lol

[frail bloom]

Like look at Horde

[harsh egret]

u build ur own reputation and fanbase

[frail bloom]

Bro is distinguished

[foggy fable]

A distinguished gentlemen

[hazy pasture]

We love Horde

[foggy fable]

Even the maykr pfp looks like it’s wearing a monocle

[hazy pasture]

Cuz he's a cool guy

[hazy pasture]

Classic Black & Gold colour choice

[obsidian shard]

Absolutly imo

[foggy fable]

Horde mode was named after horde this is true

[hazy pasture]

Agreed

[frail bloom]

Ye like you're building a name for yourself and the community

[slender night]

#the-dark-ages message
Has a more based message ever been written?

[frail bloom]

Hey I said distinguished

Where's my flowers

🥀

[hazy pasture]

Have at thee

[frail bloom]

That's fine bob can get some flowers too

[frail bloom]

Thank you sire

[hazy pasture]

But professionalism is a choice in the end

Not a requirement

[frail bloom]

Ye it's a suggestion

Just seperates the mature and immature I guess

[foggy fable]

Not a requirement, but you rather deal with professionalism and not the opposite

[hazy pasture]

Well some show great mannerisms and all

Some don't

[slender night]

You can be unprofessional and still be cool to be around. Gotta make out the difference between unprofessional and rude

[hazy pasture]

But people remember creators based on their personalities and what they make

[frail bloom]

Ye that too

[foggy fable]

Like look at how loved Horde and sneaky are when they appear. That’s professionalism with how they act, and we naturally go “ayyyyyyyy” when they arrive

[hazy pasture]

Agreed

[frail bloom]

Becuz they're based

[hazy pasture]

Don't forget Hato

[frail bloom]

More aura then the slayer I argue

[slender night]

Katsu

[frail bloom]

Yes

[foggy fable]

Too many names of quality people to name ;-;

[hazy pasture]

We have a lotta folks here who are loved because of their professionalism and charismatic personality

[frail bloom]

Then you got gremlins

[foggy fable]

Which is perfect. Really builds community to stay in

[frail bloom]

Guess who's a gremlin

[hazy pasture]

You my Lord

[slender night]

A year ago or so I'd be able to name a few people who are the opposite to what we are describing right now, but now I don't think anyone like that is here anymore. Which is pretty awesome sauce

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-youre-goddamn-right-gif-14600753

[foggy fable]

Hoping that switch 2 port doesn’t take too long

I do love me my handheld gaming

[frail bloom]

What abt the steamdeck

[harsh egret]

its already on there

[frail bloom]

Dark ages is verified on that now

How expensive is a steamdeck

[foggy fable]

Not the same. It is handheld but it should run better on switch 2. And switch 2 has a much easier pick up and play feel over steamdeck

[frail bloom]

Ah

How does the switch 2 feel in general

[foggy fable]

I very very much like it

[frail bloom]

I've been on switch 1 for years

[harsh egret]

hm, i thought the steamdeck had higher performance

[frail bloom]

It's ancient

[foggy fable]

Larger than switch 1. Bigger screen. And more

[frail bloom]

Interesting

What's the specs of a steamdeck and a switch 2

[foggy fable]

Nope. See the steamdeck is a custom pc. But has limitations to if developers will be able to properly utilize all that power.

But a switch 2 is much easier to make a power profile for and use its chipset and so on. Likewise battery life on switch 2 tends to be better

[hazy pasture]

Round $890 ig

[frail bloom]

Or is it more complicated then that

[young schooner]

I've got professionalism and a personality. Does that count?

[frail bloom]

Oof

[foggy fable]

For instance. I have cyberpunk on both steamdeck and switch 2
I play 30fps on both

On switch 2 it’s almost fully locked and looks way better

But steamdeck has way more dips

[hazy pasture]

1TB

[frail bloom]

Yes you one in a million bro

Keep doing what you doing

[hazy pasture]

Sire thy work has influenced the Weblog. You count on the levels of Horde Mode Gaming

[harsh egret]

i think it might be lower if u get the lower storage versions

[green estuary]

almost as expensive as what I bought my laptop for

[foggy fable]

What a developer does power wise and specific dev wise is what really sets it apart. So for instance doom dark ages runs at 30fps on steamdeck

There is a very very good chance it might be 60fps on switch 2
As an example of how the power is different

[hazy pasture]

It is indeed I just let Samir know the price of the 1TB version

[harsh egret]

the 256gb steamdeck is 650 dollars here

[young schooner]

I've already had to revise a bunch of things in the document actually.

[frail bloom]

I might go get me a switch 2, forgive me fellas

Bob makes it sound cool

[obsidian shard]

What Samir said

[foggy fable]

I quite love mine. Really looking forward to Tda Port I know I’ll enjoy it more handheld instead of Xbox

[frail bloom]

What Ulsamir said

I'm telling you they named her after me

[hazy pasture]

Ahh I see

[hazy pasture]

True

[hazy pasture]

It would def run better on S2 tbh

[frail bloom]

They saw me crashing out on talking abt classic barons and said that I would make a great witch

[hazy pasture]

So get S2

[hazy pasture]

Fr

[frail bloom]

I just want a good handheld

[foggy fable]

I hope panic button is doing the port.

Getting eternal to run on 3gb of ram was insane

[frail bloom]

I've been on switch 1 since 2016

[harsh egret]

the only thing drawing me to get the switch 2 is the next fromsoft game

still sad its only coming to the switch 2

[hazy pasture]

Duskbloods?

[harsh egret]

yh

[hazy pasture]

Yeah it looks pretty sick

[silent prawn]

however we have gotta remember that the steam deck is also just flat out a pc
you sacrifice console performance for smth you can theoretically do work on

unless you use stuff thats on windows only exclusively then nah

[foggy fable]

Well this is true yes

Buuuuuut. I’m only counting the gaming part

[slender night]

And also no Heretic II on Switch 2 😔

[foggy fable]

Since that’s what I use mine 99% for

[foggy fable]

For now 👀

I’m. Sure Nightdive will get there eventually

[slender night]

I feel silly in retrospect for being convinced we'd get the entire quadrilogy remastered last year

But at least I was right about there being some sort of Heretic/Hexen remaster!

[obsidian shard]

I have hope

[foggy fable]

Can’t wait to play for the first time. My physical comes this year

[slender night]

Nice, enjoy, they're... mostly good!

[young schooner]

I'm back, so here's a fun tidbit for you.

The Tomb of Souls in Ingmore's Sanctum has 16 pedestals with 16 Life Spheres on them. Two of them being Davoth and the Father. But a fun thing is that after TAG1, when the Slayer shatters the Father's Life Sphere and takes Davoth's, the Father's pedestal is removed offscreen.

Despite both Spheres being gone, only the Father's pedestal is removed. Davoth's remains. We see this when we teleport to Ingmore's Sanctum during Davoth's fight, but even after Davoth's Life Sphere is destroyed at the end of TAG2, our subsequent look at the Sanctum with the Slayer's tomb still has Davoth's empty pedestal, whereas the Father's is removed and replaced with the Slayer's sarcophagus.

[void hornet]

Does having the atlan mod loader impact performance on TDA?

[heady trout]

@unkempt dragon a user called @marble beacon n word reacted a user

they just removed it

[foggy fable]

I got them

[heady trout]

thanks, edgelord 12 year old down

[green estuary]

no

[void hornet]

Then what the hell is tanking my performance man 😭

I've been trying everything I could think of for one week

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-master-oogway-i-dont-know-gif-22592197

[fleet spruce]

Interesting detail, guess even after being consumed by rage Davoth was still a respected figure?

[young schooner]

I think it might be more about the Father than Davoth.

My guess is that the Sanctum is meant to be for Primevals only. And the Father isn't one. If he is, he's a synthetic one. He's a robot who sees himself as worthy to rest along the Ancient Gods.

His pedestal is also unique from Davoth's, IIRC. Maybe Samur made it and placed it there. Once the Father's Life Sphere is destroyed, the pedestal is removed by whatever inexorable forces dictate the Sanctum?

[fleet spruce]

There's always bigger fish huh

[flat elm]

Doom Eternal: The ancient gods (but not vega)

IIRC Hugo in one stream said, that figures from The World Spear and in the final level, actually was serpahims. The ancient gods just generic name.

[austere ferry]

Bigger fish huh 🤔

[elder raven]

this doesnt line up with the fact that they are titled as the ancient gods in the subtitles in the davoth boss fight

[empty furnace]

lowkey i think the final boss of dark ages dlc will be thira

[young schooner]

It's basically just a "holy shit they said the name" kind of deal.

They are definitely Seraphs. Their models are identical to the Seraphs we see in the Luminarium and TAG2's ending.

[heady trout]

"this, is the ancient gods part 2 DLC" said Davoth

[young schooner]

It's kind of a dumb name drop though. The Seraphs are not the focus. IMO the DLC title "The Ancient Gods" is blatantly about Davoth and the Father.

[elder raven]

i guess the father was saying al anect ivegna

doom and its wonderful questionable story elements

[young schooner]

Oh well! I still am cool with TAG2.

[heady trout]

i mean, at least Doom universe finally got a rest

from demons

Sentinels waited long enough

i do wonder whatever happened to the humans from Doomguys original earth

[fleet spruce]

don't worry, it is the most effective temporary measure of keeping hellspawn away yet

[heady trout]

sometimes a temporary solution is the best solution

[empty furnace]

given that what little humans remained were forced into an airport, they probably dead now

[heady trout]

rip

[young schooner]

I would imagine they probably lived on, just in a very diminished state.

[elder raven]

that universe turned into fallout

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[heady trout]

Doom 3 Earth finding a multiversal window and witnessing what horrors the Eternal universe had to go through

[fleet spruce]

with some Doom 4 on the side

[silent prawn]

which one had it worse

doom 1 earth, doom 3 earth, or modern doom earth

case as far as i can tell all 3 are seperate realities

same story mind you

[heady trout]

doom 1 earth

there was close to NOBODY left

[silent prawn]

yeh i had a feeling

[warm ibex]

was the doom 3 earth even impacted at all? I haven't played RoE and didn't finish the lost mission, but Hell never left the UAC facilities as far as I'm aware

[silent prawn]

but wasnt there also smth abt doomguy being in rehab or therapy before the events of doom 64?

[silent prawn]

im not sure, justs tarting doom 3

[slender night]

Play RoE goat it's peak

[warm ibex]

I definitely will when I play og doom 3 sometime this year

[elder raven]

i think resurrection of evil has the best name of any doom entry

[flat elm]

I remember Swan before he dies, says that demons invaded earth in past.

[young schooner]

1. You should totally play ROE. It is very good.
2. Nah, they never get to Earth.

[silent prawn]

so doom 3 got it best

[young schooner]

Also the answer is 100% the classic Earth. Eternal's Earth was able to hold its own against Hell for 14 years. Even though there were major casualties they did a hell of a lot better than the original Earth, which had enough people dead that the remaining survivors were all able to fit into one facility.

[warm ibex]

I still don't trust the 14 years thing

that's a legitimately absurd time gap between games and it makes next to no sense

[versed quarry]

Doomguy just took his sweet time

[young schooner]

Well, regardless, Earth still does a decent job of surviving in Eternal.

[warm ibex]

that's true