the-dark-ages

[fluid shore]

Now if anyone from id software is reading feel free to implement my brilliant idea and pay me 600k dollars

[manic arch]

Funny over purpose

[crude sparrow]

it's like throwing and recalling the shield all the time during downtime

my adhd is rampant

[harsh egret]

fr

[heady trout]

am i the only one that in the atlan levels goes out of their way to destroy as many little demons on the ground or tanks as possible

[slender night]

Need video game engagement at all times or 1/10 rating

[harsh egret]

no

[manic arch]

I love doing that

[heady trout]

i wish the game rewarded you for doing that in just the most miniscule way

like idk a secret sentinel voiceline

[crude sparrow]

next doom game is just gonna be platforming only but they're jingling keys above your head the entire time so its fine

[heady trout]

that plays if you do that

[slender night]

The modern Wolfensteins have a nice melee it's often a portable glory kill

[manic arch]

“Slayer stop fucking around, the cores gonna blow”

[heady trout]

yesss

[manic arch]

I loved the hatchets in TNO

[slender night]

Subway Surfers gameplay in the corner

[manic arch]

Honestly TNO has my favorite Wolfenstein gunplay

[green estuary]

there needs to be an atlan achievement for killing X number of demons while in it

[heady trout]

yes

[slender night]

Yeah TDA has too little achievements

[green estuary]

which also brings me to my complaint that the tda achievements are boring as hell

[heady trout]

i also noticed the tiny sentinels still keep shooting even if you destroyed the bridge with demons they were shooting at

[slender night]

It's like going from the Quake remaster to the Quake II remaster. Lots of varied achievements to a 100% completion earned by just normally beating the game

[heady trout]

i do feel midly bad especially in final battle that im obliterating so many sentinel buildings but i guess war is war

[slender night]

TDA just requires you to beat the game and do the masteries and collectibles and boom it's over

[green estuary]

there could be so many sick achievements, but noooo

[harsh egret]

fr

[heady trout]

sentinel housing market crash and them im over here destroying 50 buildings in under a minute

[fluid shore]

Atlan sections are SOOOO BORING

[harsh egret]

i cant hear ya

[heady trout]

i like em, not too special but i like them

[slender night]

Man Quake 4 has hamster ball sections they could have done worse with TDA

[crude sparrow]

hopefully we get more with the dlc update

[fluid shore]

Yk what atlan is ok somewhat but dragon sections are SO BAD

[warm ibex]

DOOM fans when they're forced to try something even remotely new

[heady trout]

its like a popcorn movie, you dont watch it for its indepth structure or great writing you just wanna see basic action and be midly entertained

[green estuary]

well obviously they will
but I doubt they'd introduce new achievements for the base game

[heady trout]

no the dragon is also fun

[heady trout]

same applies for the dragon, its nothing too deep but im having fun

[crude sparrow]

have you seen that recent article that said "bethesda should go back to the drawing board after doom tda?"

[slender night]

Idk I liked the change of pace the dragon and the Atlan offered

[crude sparrow]

that shit was so bad

[warm ibex]

yeah lmao

[fluid shore]

Its not about it being new its that the gameplay is lmb lmb lmb space lmb lmb lmb rmb rinse repeat

[heady trout]

articles say whatever to grift and gain views, its not about genuine journalism anyome its about getting angry clicks all the time, I wouldnt take them seriously if i were you

[crude sparrow]

they basically just said "make doom 2016 again and the marauder still sucks" 💀 💀

[obsidian shard]

so peak,"TDA is bad and Eternal too"

[green estuary]

"In a bid to expand and evolve, The Dark Ages feels like an extension of its predecessors, more than a full-scale demonic overhaul"

[manic arch]

Cyberpunk Doom is still my favorite idea

[heady trout]

this is written by chatgpt, It follows the speech patterns of ai writing

[green estuary]

yes, because TDA absolutely feels like an extension of doom eternal

[manic arch]

Doom: Cyber Pains

[green estuary]

very similar gaming experiences there

[crude sparrow]

1:1 if you ask me

[heady trout]

not to mention its lying entirely, which is something ai likes doing too

[frail bloom]

Gotta love those articles, they add so much flavor

[harsh egret]

"Everything new mostly misses the mark, and can make the experience go from Imp to limp very quickly. id Software probably has an ideas board more bloated than a Mancubus after a Christmas Dinner, and there’s plenty of hope for the next trip to hell."
this part just sent me

[heady trout]

ai article, clickbait/ragebait for views, yall should not be paying attention to them one bit

[frail bloom]

What else am I gonna crap on??

[crude sparrow]

I liked how they were STILL complaining about the marauder even after 5 years lmao

[warm ibex]

this is a safe space, we don't pretend like walking forward and letting out a handful of different attacks isn't exactly what you do everywhere else in modern doom

[heady trout]

they win by giving them attention, thats exactly what they want

[frail bloom]

Yes I too also have imp experiences

[heady trout]

this too

[frail bloom]

What in the chat gpt

"Imp to limp"

[wheat sigil]

the complexity and depth is vastly different though😭

[heady trout]

M1 go back to bed my dear

[slender night]

A funny thing I took notice to recently is that the same people that make game journalist jokes are the ones that struggle to kill a Marauder in a 1v1

[heady trout]

but yeah no offense to anyone digging on this ai generated article but the best approach is to not give it attention

[manic arch]

Each Doom is just so unique both in atmosphere and gameplay and they’re all good

[green estuary]

nooooo

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

[frail bloom]

Trust me ain't clicking on it

But imma make fun of it

[heady trout]

i suppose thats good enough

[frail bloom]

Till I die

[fluid shore]

Maybe true but it feels engaging
The atlan sections are only good at 130+ % speed

[warm ibex]

it's okay my friend, the Eternal chat is still open for business and welcomes you with open arms ❤️

[harsh egret]

🤓

[heady trout]

me personally i just dont find any more entertainment in making fun of robots, theres nobody im making fun of, but if it makes yall happy then by all means

[green estuary]

"this is the worst review I’ve ever read on anythong DOOM related, and I curse google discover for putting this trash on my phone"

[wheat sigil]

i'm not even talking about eternal??

[fluid shore]

Next you'll tell me the dragon is fun too

[manic arch]

The real issue with modern Doom is the expectations from reviewers to be another Eternal

[heady trout]

now THATS a human

[heady trout]

the dragon is fun :3

[frail bloom]

Did y'know the 4th episode of ultimate doom is called " thy kingdom come"

Fascinating

[heady trout]

5th one gonna be called ''easy come''

[harsh egret]

i like how we are acting like our counter arguments are objective facts

[slender night]

plays new id Software game
expects it to feel the same as the previous game
Mfw

[wheat sigil]

funnest thing with it was doing unintended stuff to complete it faster

[heady trout]

welcome to the internet pal

[crude sparrow]

people cant even decide what they want

[green estuary]

it's called thy flesh consumed, wdym

or is there a joke I'm missing

[frail bloom]

[slender night]

Bad Katsu

[heady trout]

but but dragon fly cool :cccc

[frail bloom]

That's what the ai thinks it is

[crude sparrow]

some people say they want 2016 again, others complain that it isnt like eternal

[green estuary]

ah

[manic arch]

😭
I’ll never get why people do this shit, I would die if TDA was another Eternal-like

[warm ibex]

it's meh

[wheat sigil]

slayer run cooler

[green estuary]

tough talk from someone who hasn't finished the main campaign yet

[harsh egret]

srsly pmo cuz these debates make zero sense

[heady trout]

idk why anyone is suprised at this, people have different opinions and want different things, try finding a community that all wants the same thing

[fluid shore]

Dragon fly could also have been more cool if the dragon was doing shit while flying

[heady trout]

''regressing'' you really gonna say that after i say my opinion, im not exactly saying its fact

[manic arch]

TDA dlc needs to end with Slayer on a dragon fighting Doom 3 Marine who is riding Maledict

[wheat sigil]

would've done it if i had been at home the last 10 days😭

[crude sparrow]

id has been saying they're not making eternal 2 for like 3 years though idk why people were still thinking it'll be that xD

[slender night]

Vro's cooking but I ain't eating

[fluid shore]

This game will never be as good as super Noah's ark 3D either way

[manic arch]

Consume my meal

[heady trout]

one day, not today, but maybe one day people will see someone disagreeing with them on videogame opinions and NOT start seething for some reason

[harsh egret]

bro is taking it one step at a time, literally

[manic arch]

We know its you, Grayfruit

[slender night]

I disagree

[wheat sigil]

if i speedrun the game i'll run out of game...

[heady trout]

hey I never said when, could be in a thousand years

[slender night]

Video games as a medium will be gone by then

[heady trout]

good

no more slop

[manic arch]

Video games are peak fiction bro don’t even start

[heady trout]

this mfer think im serious

nuance is gone

[harsh egret]

true i also do be playing my games 5 minutes every week, like you do

[manic arch]

Oh c’mon, you think I’m taking you serious 😭

No one actually Timmy Toughknuckles anymore

[wheat sigil]

don't wanna accidentally get okay at tda🥱

[slender night]

This channel has turned to rambling about random shit man we got here from Atlan discussion

[heady trout]

ima go back to playing the first atlan segment and having fun :3

[warm ibex]

on a more serious note, I don't exactly think the "strictly for fun" mech fist fight segments that last ten - fifteen minutes each (unless you take longer with the old one fight I guess) need a ton of depth and complexity. More depth would obviously be welcome, but I personally believe that what they currently offer is equal to their length

[heady trout]

complexity doesnt automatically mean fun, sometimes simple works for some of us

[harsh egret]

rather that than the channel being dead for hours

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-surgeon-dr-han-the-good-doctor-discord-bubble-discord-speech-bubble-gif-1845193550933450334

[slender night]

It's NEVER dead

[manic arch]

The Atlus sections were a nice break from the ripping and tearing

[wheat sigil]

yeah i mean if it was skippable i wouldn't complain about it at all

[heady trout]

this channel is never dead, its only, dark, and ages...

[green estuary]

as much as I would have loved titanfall 2-esque mech sections, it's understandable that they didn't put a ton of complexity into sections that made up such a small portion of the playtime

[crude sparrow]

just mention "dlc" and it'll get going

[harsh egret]

exactly my thoughts

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-spongebob-reaction-oh-brother-this-guy-stinks-gif-25698553

[harsh egret]

[obsidian shard]

Did someone say DLC?

[warm ibex]

with how much people complain about it you'd think they do take up a considerable amount of play time

[heady trout]

jarvis, #the-dark-ages has derailed again, post ''DLC'' to reel the discussion back in

[manic arch]

Dlc in 36 seconds

[slender night]

this doom sure is eternal, maybe going on for 2016 years, or 64 centuries, only a despicable occurence like the resurrection of evil would cause this. zoo wee mama the ancient gods are at it again

[obsidian shard]

Here's all the DLC News so far:

[heady trout]

saying DLC really is a chat reset

[elder raven]

the dlc is NOW

[heady trout]

ehh I can do better, ahem ''Eternal better'' and then dip the chat

[elder raven]

EVERYONE ITS ON STEAM GO GO GO GO GO

[manic arch]

We have Doom’d 2 hard, now we bring Hell On Earth

[harsh egret]

id software give me the new Downloadable Content NOW

[elder raven]

STORE PAGE UP GO GO GO NOW

[green estuary]

barrier core literally takes 5 minutes
so does the mech section in hellbreaker
and the final battle section maybe takes 15
people really be acting like the mech combat which takes up less than half an hour not being "deep" is a crime against humanity lmao

[heady trout]

chat destruction password

[slender night]

Wish granted, the Steam store is filled with 20 cosmetic DLCs
"You suckers bought these last time" says Bethesda

[harsh egret]

m1 typing cuz eternal was mentioned

uh oh

[manic arch]

I do actually hope the dlc has playable Doom 64 and Doom 3 in it

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-dog-gif-14874418230209766021

[obsidian shard]

hi M1

[wheat sigil]

it's just boring😭 5 minute long glory kill

[elder raven]

i bought them

[heady trout]

soaptogo is actually 5 months ahead of us

thast why they have dlc

[slender night]

I did too 💔

[elder raven]

i bought the only ones i DID NOT have

[wheat sigil]

hi sneaky

[elder raven]

im 5 years ahead

[green estuary]

yeah it's not that exciting tbh

[elder raven]

new doom game out now

[heady trout]

the only question i have is if the cursed prowler returned...

[harsh egret]

ey fuck yeah give me that tda unicorn skin

[manic arch]

Shit whats 2031 like?

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-now-firestorm-gif-19788319

[heady trout]

so called ''free thinkers'' when presented with the Unicorn Slayer skin:

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-unicorn-doomguy-say-that-again-doom-slayer-say-that-again-doom-say-that-again-doom-eternal-say-that-again-gif-9144204531176625970

[manic arch]

I want a Cthulhu Slayer skin

[elder raven]

theres a mod on the eternal launcher that’s really cool and its like that

[violet zealot]

That would be peak

[manic arch]

Imagine SquidSlayer with a pirate sail cape

[elder raven]

it replaces one of the maykr skins and its badass

[manic arch]

Bethesda, let me be your ideas guy

[harsh egret]

bethesda has enough ideas

[slender night]

So called "Aspiring Slayers" when they feel their age is not large enough to witness the gates of Hell:

[green estuary]

cosmic slayer would go hard

[manic arch]

Doom 3 skin needed

[slender night]

Lux skin

[manic arch]

Icon Of Slayer skin for Halloween

[harsh egret]

give me more skins that require u to buy merch

[manic arch]

Hell no

[harsh egret]

lock one behind the prime 1 statue

[warm ibex]

it's cool though!!

[elder raven]

https://mods.bethesda.net/en/doometernal/details/a02678e6-6c3b-435c-a1dc-3a5521380c0a/Eldritch_Slayer here it is

the cthulhu skin mod in eternal

[green estuary]

who was that dude who said not having a bunch of skins was tda's biggest flaw the other day

[slender night]

Waiter waiter more collabs with random companies I have never heard of that are located a continent away just so I can get my shitty recolor

[warm ibex]

that could be one of about a trillion different people lol

[crude sparrow]

I definitely want more skins

but not from collabs please xD

[warm ibex]

I want more skins but I don't need more skins

[harsh egret]

u gotta buy a slice of Gulami's pizza and u get a Hugo slayer skin

[slender night]

I want good skins, there's only like 2

The premium one is really ugly

Yogurt Slayer

[harsh egret]

just needs more weapon skins

[elder raven]

i like that one but i love maykrs so i might be biased

[wheat sigil]

i won't say the atlan sections shouldn't have been included, but they shouldn't have been forced

[heady trout]

people in the internet say anythin man

[elder raven]

i have a full maykr loadout where everything is the maykr skins

[warm ibex]

I can agree with them being skippable after a first time playthrough

[green estuary]

unironically I would love divinity weapon skins

[wheat sigil]

why only after a first time playthrough

[slender night]

They should've gone the Quake 4 route and have this serious dramatic game have first person super monkey ball sections

[warm ibex]

it won't kill you to try something new

not just you specifically

[wheat sigil]

that's just irrelevant

[green estuary]

imagine wolfenstein TNC forcing you to watch all the cutscenes on a first playthrough

[fluid shore]

i wont say they shouldnt have been included, but they shouldnt have been subpar

[green estuary]

(not that I'm comparing tda's mech sections to TNC's cutscenes)

[warm ibex]

no, not really.

[slender night]

2 hour long game with 3 hour cutscenes

[elder raven]

i was about to advocate until i read it again and saw tnc

i thought i read tno

[slender night]

TNC is really cool man I wish they didn't fuck it over as hard as they did. But that's for another channel

[fluid shore]

if they want ppl to play their sections why not make em enticing to play

[warm ibex]

they are exciting to play

[elder raven]

super spesh is funny and all but 😬 (but your right, another channel)

[harsh egret]

bruh

[crude sparrow]

the mech sections are fun for like 15 minutes

[fluid shore]

VEGA BRO LET ME CORRECT MY MISTAKE

[elder raven]

i find the atlan sections to be a really fun part of the game, but i agree with the sentiment that there should be an option to skip if you want

[green estuary]

super spesh makes me want to blow my brains out

[wheat sigil]

sure it wouldn't kill me to try something new, but if i'm not interested in it at all and it doesn't offer me anything, it's kinda unnecessary

and if i do the first atlan section, why shouldn't i be able to skip the sceond? why just be able to skip in the second playthrough?

[slender night]

You won't believe what happens to him son

[elder raven]

i liked him but there is a time and place and interrupting a really solemn part of the game isnt that time and place

[crude sparrow]

they are fun but if there was a full lenght level with just mech combat you'd probably want to kill yourself keep yourself safe afterwards

[fluid shore]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-he-lying-wong-gif-5558347777370316415

[green estuary]

poetic

[wheat sigil]

doing math in tda to progress wouldn't kill me either, but i'd appreciate being able to skip it🙏

[heady trout]

why are you so desperate to tell others not to enjoy what they do

[harsh egret]

^

[crude sparrow]

😭

[fluid shore]

im just saying i dont lol if you do you do and this gif is just a joke lol

[harsh egret]

bro is literally shouting that the mech is trash in all caps out of nowhere

[slender night]

-# The game is overall just plagued with issues like these that build up, the wacky plot, lack of a climax, underwhelming villain compared to Deathshead, not knowing whether it wants to be lighthearted or edgy, etc

[heady trout]

we need an enemy that if they hit you it forces you into a math test

[elder raven]

full length level, maybe not so great but they are fun to play. dragon sections? massive improvement should be made if possible, those damn hell chase sections

[green estuary]

deathshead was such a peak villain

[elder raven]

deathshead was a fucking monster and that made me love to hate him and hate to love him

[fluid shore]

the game screen goes black if youre on any other window after launching a mission after death
the only way to fix it is to close and reload

[elder raven]

i was talking about it with someone i know and we both agreed that the game kind of ended abruptly

[heady trout]

see its stops being a joke by the 5th time you say it, or in that case its just not funny anymore, and you know jokes are supposed to be funny

[crude sparrow]

I dont think dragon sections will be coming back in the dlc

[fluid shore]

the gif is a joke
The rest of what ive said is fr
i do think that there needs to be more depth to the atlan and dragon

[wheat sigil]

so true

[slender night]

It's not even like RAGE where the protagonist's journey is fulfilled, here they just get this idea late into the story and execute it rather fast

[elder raven]

why’s that

[heady trout]

we get it

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009
(this is coming from a math major btw)

[crude sparrow]

oh idk something about a spear through serrat's neck

[harsh egret]

i dont think the ones in the back heard him, he gotta say it louder one more time

[warm ibex]

They introduce a new weapon and more abilities in subsequent mech segments, I think it's necessary to at the very least give it a try to see if the addition of different content does anything for you. I do 100% get the point that you're making but on your first playthrough it only makes sense to actually try what they have to offer instead of skipping it just because the game's third level didn't hook you

[elder raven]

the giant robot fight at the end of tnc is very lackluster i’d say but what’s done is done and now we wait for wolf3 which should be coming out very soon if machinegames is done with indiana jones

or not very soon but moderately soon

[green estuary]

the final fight in TNC was absolutely baller imo

[elder raven]

but as a final fight? idk man

[slender night]

-# It's not even a bad final fight the game just doesn't tell you it's the final one at all lmao, it's like a miniboss before the real final boss, but the real final boss never comes

[green estuary]

true
but I don't mind it because it's easily the toughest fight in the game

[harsh egret]

i remember fighting him and then the game ended i was like oh THAT was the final boss?

[green estuary]

although it definitely deserved a real final boss afterwards

[harsh egret]

tho the game itself was peak imo

[slender night]

Idk about peak but it is still pretty good
Anyway though we should really move to general before the wrath of the mods

[green estuary]

tbh I barely even got a good look at the zerstorers

[elder raven]

can we get the harbringer of doom or whatever his name was from wolfrpg as the final boss thanks and this will not cause any plot issues

[green estuary]

I was way too busy frantically trying to not get hit by their frickin bfg balls

[harsh egret]

i played it a few years ago and from memory it was really great

maybe id have to replay it idk

but uhh back to dark ages

[elder raven]

im gonna be playing it soon and after im gonna try death stranding

[heady trout]

''avoid the mods''

[warm ibex]

immediately kills chat

[heady trout]

worked

[harsh egret]

some of us moved to general to talk wolfenstein xd

[fluid shore]

i lowkenuinely gotta play wolfenstein

[heady trout]

anyhow i love how the impaler stays stuck to its targets, wish the gore matched it a bit more, like it just kinda sticks there, the lack of blood makes it seem weird

[harsh egret]

ive never heard that term before icl

[warm ibex]

ah fair lol. I don't ever even look in general so my bad

[fluid shore]

sorry i meant lowkirkenuinely

[heady trout]

especially with asscrack, when im fighting him with the impaler he has like 6 of them on his head but theres no blood so it looks odd

[harsh egret]

yh i dont blame u lol, prob for the best

[harsh egret]

yh now i know to not take u srsly ever again lol

[fluid shore]

itd be cool if when you respawn instead of playing the standard victorious end of theme section for the music it played some like fadeout instead of a guitar crescendo
tho this is mega nitpicking lol

this can probable be modded in too

[fluid shore]

lol

[heady trout]

okay now that im playing on higher speeds and have two accelerator and two impaler upgrades the vagary champion boss is less of a slog

on sentinel barracks

[fluid shore]

what do i do once my shield breaks

just die?

[wheat sigil]

hide

[heady trout]

well not exactly

it can work but its best to have auto sprint on, turn around, right or left and keep moving fast so no extra projectiles can hit you, at those speeds dodging is far easier than if ur strafing or moving backwards

[wheat sigil]

yeah

[heady trout]

since the Slayer hasnt learnt how to run sideways or backwards yet, this is what we must do

face where you want to dodge

and run, that works for me

[empty furnace]

i gotta be one of the only ppl struggling on enhanced ahzrak

[heady trout]

no its like the place everyone struggles in dw

[slender night]

Yeah it was the only part of the game that gave me so much trouble

[fluid shore]

i struggled in one of the arenas on mission 20 the most

took me like 20+ tries

i did azhrak in like 5-7 i think

[warm ibex]

do you remember which one?

[fluid shore]

the one where you go in and theres a mancubus and there 2 rows of shield guys after which a tank or something like that
3 tanks overall
a cyberdemon too

like where you jump in parry a tank shot

[green estuary]

Hardest part of a UN run

[warm ibex]

oh yea I think I know which one you're talking about. with the pinky rider enforcer?

[fluid shore]

yes
genuinely hardest thing in all of TDA

[warm ibex]

yeah that can be a tough one. probably one of my favorite encounters in the game tho ngl

[fluid shore]

yeah its amazing, i think all of mission 20 had good encounters

[warm ibex]

ressurection is just one of the best levels in modern doom flat out

[fluid shore]

im playing nightmare but i lowered player damaged to 200%, max projectile speed, 2 bars parry difficulty, and thats it i think

[fluid shore]

resurrection is amazing and so far reckoning is great too

[fluid shore]

what did you think of the cosmic realm missions? i liked the one with the holes a lot

the tunnels with the water i mean

[warm ibex]

overall pretty solid! I think karthul marshes (open level with the trippy puzzles) was probably the weak spot for me personally, it has good individual arenas but the in-between portions don't flow as well as I would've liked and it's visually a tad bit bland in some regions

belly of the beast is such a unique level though, one of those "how have they never done this before" type moments

[fluid shore]

oh well i really liked it

i just liked how visually its something doom has never had before

[tranquil badge]

belly of the beast got the best song for any of the levels in the game for me
what lies below slaps during the combat encounters

[fluid shore]

belly of the beast was cool but i didnt like it too much
i might just be biased cuz i compare it to how other games did it

tbh this game overall is amazing
ppl compare it to eternal but its a different thing
Sure the combat puzzle gameplay of eternal is fun but this is just often more enjoyable to play on reaction times and enemy priority

[tranquil badge]

I would say dark ages feels much more satisfying tto play than eternal was. soley just off the parry system. Hitting a perfectly timed parry to stay alive really scratches an itch for me

[fluid shore]

fr and also in eternal every enemy felt like its made of concrete, same doesnt apply here

[tranquil badge]

Yeah I think the armor system for dark ages is a good step up from eternal

[fluid shore]

like if theres 1 word id have to describe eternal with, its "amazing" but if its 2 then the second is "stiff"

this game is 10x less stiff than eternal

[warm ibex]

I really liked it overall

[fluid shore]

ngl itd be cool if some of the berserks that are story relevant like the one on azhraks ship in reckoning were just like a short animation for the slayer getting enraged

but this game fr is the same level of eternal imo

[tranquil badge]

I haven't played eternal in so long, I will say the movement in dark ages definitely feels more fluid and connected. All I remember from eternal was the goal was to attempt to fly out of the arena with the meathook

[heady trout]

Eternal is my favorite game of all time, Dark Ages is second 👍 2016 is like, idk 9th? idfk

[fluid shore]

last i played eternal it just felt less dynamic and less fluid so yeah
at high level play it became connected and dynamic but not usually

[fluid shore]

as far as ranking doom games id genuinely put hideous destructor first tbh which is probably insane but it just scratches an itch for me

but in terms of official ones yeah eternal is first because its just so legendary

[warm ibex]

I'll have to come back to eternal at a later point but I'd put it below TDA and 2016 at the moment 💔

[tranquil badge]

I think I would have eternal and dark ages at top 10 for my favorite games. 2016 probably not but its got a special place in my heart for being the first game that got me into fps'

[fluid shore]

really? for me its eternal then TDA but its super close
i tried 2016 a bit but its not my thing

guys does anyone know why my accelerator just isnt charging at all in azhrak and witch fight?

[slender night]

2016 is peak

[tranquil badge]

In term of modern doom, 2016 has sort of a primitive charm to it. no crazy movement tech, just running and gunning the old fashioned way

[fluid shore]

it just stays at 0

[fluid shore]

fair

[fluid shore]

in what order?
tda then 2016 or 2016 then tda?

[slender night]

They're all awesome in my eyes, can't choose a favorite

Usually I steer towards 2016 and TDA; but then when I actually replay Eternal I get reminded how awesome it is

[empty furnace]

i beat doom the dark ages

loved it

[autumn ridge]

Any ideas to make doom the dark ages even more fun?

I'm at Nightmare difficulty with 200% game speed right now.

[warm ibex]

TDA then 2016

[slender night]

Play with Crazy Bus OST

[autumn ridge]

i'll try it out, I also played it with eternal and 2016's and og's OST a lil

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/lobotomy-gif-17167871613916111579

How do you even

[slender night]

No don't do it I was kidding 😭 that game has an infamously shitty soundtrack

[frail bloom]

200% speed🥀

[tranquil badge]

what in the world is this gif 💀

[autumn ridge]

Eh, I love most OST's.

[autumn ridge]

pure skills.

[frail bloom]

Lobotomy

[slender night]

Give a listen to the Crazy Bus theme I'd love to hear your thoughts

[autumn ridge]

• It's a whole lot more fun, it's like doom eternal but with TDA's mechanics.

[frail bloom]

That ain't skill bruh that's just cocaine activity

Whatever floats your boat

[tranquil badge]

300% speed

[warm ibex]

bro is trying to sink that man's battleship

[autumn ridge]

would you be mad, if I told you I modded doom eternal and 2016 to make them be even faster

[frail bloom]

No I ain't mad to begin with

Just why 200% speed

Why

[autumn ridge]

It's fun, the game felt too slow at normal speed.

[warm ibex]

what fried dopamine receptors does to a man

[frail bloom]

Why not 130%, or 120%

[slender night]

Nothing's fried man this guy's brain has extra RAM if anything

[autumn ridge]

still too slow

[frail bloom]

[autumn ridge]

oo not a bad idea.

[frail bloom]

As long as you have fun bro

Not for me🥀

[warm ibex]

we know having fun isn't for you 😭

[autumn ridge]

oh there'sa a way I can do with by unlocking the mod console.

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/jiggy-kid-dancing-dancing-kid-african-kid-dancing-jiggy-bald-kid-gif-567562522024185937

[autumn ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THuE_Ahla4o
This dude played at 500% speed somehow with a controller of all things.

[warm ibex]

if he keeps this up he'll be AdamHeartAttackGaming by his mid 40s lol

[frail bloom]

Looks riveting

I too love the thrill of speeding up so much all you can see yourself do is shoot

[warm ibex]

I don't think he was actually playing like that though, just for shits and giggles

[frail bloom]

Def but some of us here consider it

Some of us

Won't say who

[wheat sigil]

idk if anyone wants to genuinely play at 500% speed😭

[warm ibex]

people who don't know what 500 speed actually looks like lol

[frail bloom]

Ah nvm

If M1 doesn't no one does

[green estuary]

there’s a dude in the modding server who unironically plays TDA at 180%

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-brain-monkey-gif-11098413

[autumn ridge]

uh I unironically play at 200%

[fluid shore]

Is that even fun

[autumn ridge]

it's a whole lotta fun, try it out

tbh, expected more people to be playing it at 200%

it's not that hard

[green estuary]

it's not about difficulty, it's about the game feeling like ass

[autumn ridge]

Kind of helps recreate the doom eternal feeling in the dark ages

[green estuary]

either you're hallucinating when you play eternal, or you just accidentally turned on ai_haste

[fluid shore]

Fast gameplay doesnt arise from just game speed

Its a matter of game design pushing the game's pace forward

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-true-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-balatro-true-gif-3209347132886976225

[fluid shore]

Fits well cuz playing on 200% is the same level of fried dopamine as gambling

[alpine pilot]

[crude sparrow]

turbo pinkies fear this man

literally how do you even fight barons at that speed

you have like half a frame to react and block or else you're instantly dead 😭

[manic arch]

Me because I’m wacky

[fluid shore]

next time i get killed while performing a mace strike im gonna kick someone in the balls

[crude sparrow]

imagine getting hit in the balls with the dreadmace

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-shiver-shivering-scared-gif-22811013

[frail bloom]

Prob die idk

[fluid shore]

probably less painful then dying for the 123th time to azhrak and bitch because you got one shot at 60 hp by a projectile you cant even block because youre IN AN ANIMATION

[crude sparrow]

utilize falters, it's very easy to get interrupted during the wind up animation without them

also in the final fight other melees falter with just 2 hits

[versed quarry]

this is what the aggadon hunter feels

[crude sparrow]

deserved

[fluid shore]

trying not to rage after some bullshit kills you for the 50293854293084592038502938509235th time in TDA be like https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tFnWj2S1xQU

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/im-back-gif-21575319

[brazen crystal]

The game's designed around 100%, so I play on that but with max demon damage to player and a smaller parry timing

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/glowing-eyes-adam-smasher-cyberpunk-2077-robot-eyes-welcome-to-cyberpunk-world-gif-5524153925746968859

I think this is the Adam they'll be

[autumn ridge]

oo lemme try that

[gleaming vortex]

man I went back to Eternal (love that game, might do a full replay soon) and damn it makes me appreciate the melee in Dark Ages so much more. I never really noticed how much I stopped and waited for the glory kill before getting to play the game again.

idk maybe I’ve played too much Dark Ages

[brazen crystal]

I'm doing it so that my UN run won't be as hard

Also this game's platinum is way easier than Eternal's

I got it in like the 1st month the game came out

[obsidian shard]

Going back and forth between all 3 makes me enjoy specific things of each more as well!

[brazen crystal]

TBH I just can't play 2016

Those beginning few levels are rough

[gleaming vortex]

honestly I didn’t fw 2016 much either, too spoiled by Brink of Death in Eternal and Dark Ages

I will say that the music switching during glory kills rules

[obsidian shard]

TDA has a Brink of Death slider to make it harder...

Love TDA for its customizability

[gleaming vortex]

oh yea I know, I just don’t like getting beamed by a revenant across the room while I’m at nearly full health.

[gleaming vortex]

I still hope they add a setting where the armor can function like it did in classic doom, I feel like it would be fun (and encourage people to use fire stuff more).

[autumn ridge]

UN?

ultra nightmare

?

[obsidian shard]

yes

[manic arch]

Smasherrrr, Silverhand sends his regards

[sly locust]

hey is this the place for throubleshooting? right now doom tda crashes for me right at launch

originally I was getting the "crash encountered during vulkan initialization", I've since disabled my non-gaming display adapter and restarted my pc, now the game will run for two seconds and then stop

[obsidian shard]

Whats your specs?

[sly locust]

one sec

rtx4070, 32GB ram, Ryzen9 4 GHz processor

Device name MSI
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 8945HS w/ Radeon 780M Graphics (4.00 GHz)
Installed RAM 32.0 GB (31.3 GB usable)
Device ID AEEDFA8B-C272-465E-B8AC-244118966940
Product ID 00342-21250-48190-AAOEM
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

[sly locust]

I meet all of the recommended specs apart from 10GB of vram and I have 8GB

[frail bloom]

Most detailed specs list yet

Too bad idk what any of it means

[obsidian shard]

Welp you should be good!

Are you running it on you Built in GPU?

Or perhaps game files aren't validated?

[sly locust]

I went and validated the files and everything showed up good

I switched to the non-built in gpu (disabled the "AMD Radeon 780M Graphics" and used the "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU") and tried running another game and it ran terribly, slow motion and <1 fps etc.

[obsidian shard]

Hmmm

[arctic pagoda]

Hm

[sly locust]

Right? Super weird that it won't work, I did have to update my gpu driver but that didn't help at all

[obsidian shard]

THe fact others games cant run is weird asf

[sly locust]

now my other games run very well and doom tda says "running" for about 3 seconds and then closes

no application pops up or anything

[autumn ridge]

you sure your laptop's plugged in?

[sly locust]

yeah

currently charging and at 93%

[sly locust]

well I've been doing this for 4 hours now so I think I'm going to give up for the night and try again another time

[obsidian shard]

Alright, I recommend reaching out to Bethesda Support

[sly locust]

Thanks, I'll do that

[heady trout]

the more i play on 130 speed the more I enjoy the dragon and atlan ngl

i already 100% no deathed Holy City on my new playthrough and it just goes so fast its so cool

[fleet spruce]

personally 100% speed feels just right for me, anything more is just jank

[harsh egret]

i havent stuck to anything beyond 110% cuz i like it the most

the game do be feeling wacky after a certain point

[crude sparrow]

I'd say anything above 130 just doesn't even feel fair anymore lol

And it looks really weird sped up

130% is the last one where it actually still looks and functions alright

[brazen crystal]

Yeah

[brazen crystal]

The only way I "speed up" the game is just by turning that stupid slow motion off

On my first playthrough I left it on because it was the "developer intended experience" but I was so sick of the Dreadmace taking 2-3 business days to hit

[silent prawn]

im ngl i love the inclusion of the bigfin squid in this

such an underrepresented creature in games

[fleet spruce]

it looks perfect for eldritch dimension of incomprehensible horrors

[flat elm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/quake/comments/1kaeelv/quake_doom_and_visual_language/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_content=post_body&embed_host_url=https://www.doomworld.com/index.php&rdt=48608

Bro with common sense

[fleet spruce]

funny thing is doom had castles and shit since its inception

[silent prawn]

honestly i see where some of the comments come from

the "cosmic realm" is extremely surface level when it comes to cosmic horror as a concept

but also they couldnt really do much deeper here because modern doom is about feeling powerful whilst cosmic horror is about feeling powerless
honestly was NOT the route i expected doom to take specifically because of that disparity

also tentacles in cosmic horror are so overdone its unreal please get new material

but whatever at least the bigfin boi is there

[fleet spruce]

I'm excited to see more of that place in DLC, more impossible sights that don't follow logic or physics

[silent prawn]

it would be neat to see more of this cause its neat asthetically
i especially love how they did that dino effect with the eyes so as you pass by it looks like the follow you out of the corner of your eye but when you turn back to check they never moved

im eo glad i got the physical artbook it was so neat to flip through lol

unrelated but after playing this and my... albeit foggy memories of eternal its been a while and i intend to replay it on my steam deck but
it feels like eternal had more focus on fluid movement whilst this one narrowed down on combat cause honestly the almost back and forth nature of combat and the weight of your movement makes the slayer feel extremely powerful compared to him flying through the air nigh weightlessley in eternal, though i get some people not liking it

sorry if im rambling a lot

[tropic adder]

I agree with bro of common sense.

[silent prawn]

last thing, goddamn can i just say this games sound design is immaculate

[tropic adder]

bigfin? you mean the sleeper?

[silent prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/magnapinna-squid-creepy-freaky-ocean-gif-16224216681422707491

bigfin

[tropic adder]

Oh that guy! I loved that lil easter egg.

[silent prawn]

yee

[tropic adder]

I loved the thalassaphobia trigger too. Had a friend faint behind me. Its funny cuz she wanted to see it. But man that part of the level felt out of place, but still awesome. I dig drowning remains of civilizations. 😄

[silent prawn]

yee
the cosmic realm is really neat tbh

this game is just outright really pretty sometimes

[tropic adder]

But I agree with what you said up there about the cosmic horror on the surface level. I was also expecting the fight with 'cthulhu' to be more mind bending than a boxing match, cuz... duh? But I guess the source material doesn't matter.

[silent prawn]

honestly i found the boxing match with cthulu really funny in an endearing way but thats probably because i jokingly thought about it early on in the cosmic realm portion

[weak cypress]

got dark ages for 60 dollars (AUD) worth?

[silent prawn]

ye

[slender night]

Looks more like Hexen I always thought

[tropic adder]

I mean it was funny. I did laugh the whole time.

[silent prawn]

"the horrors are beyond my comprehension so i dropkicked them as a means of comprehension"

[tropic adder]

I like that line. It's a doomguy-like line and Ill consider it a canon now.

[slender night]

Even if this game wasn't a Quake game in development (which is pretty obvious to me) it undeniably does cannibalize some of Quake and Hexen's vibe. Which sucks

[tropic adder]

Doomguy killed Ranger and ate his face. That'show he got his chin in TDA.

[silent prawn]

from the little ive seen, quake is far deeper into cosmic horror then doom tda ever gets

i say little cause i tried quake but imo i didnt really have fun with it cause the enemies felt comically tanky and it kinda felt miserable for my adhd riddled brain to play

then i refunded the trilogy and bought dusk on a whim which i enjoyed so i dont really get what it was that didnt click

ill try em again eventually

as for hexen i have no idea

[tropic adder]

How I remember it was about "how the f did I get here and wtf is that?!". I haven't replayed it in a looooong while, but I don't remember it tapping to the cosmic horror more than at the surface level either. But that's only the 1st game. Q2 goes straight into human-strogg wars.

[slender night]

Yeah but DOOM is the bigger franchise. If they do a new Quake with cosmic horror then people will just say it's a cheaper TDA. And I agree with Slade, I think Quake goes less in-depth into it if anything

Hexen is basically just TDA's aesthetics running on id Tech 1. These games feel incredibly alike in certain aspects

[silent prawn]

when i say surface level i mean like
"everyone knows what cthulu is lets make everything look like him"

[tropic adder]

But Quake Champs gave us some more of that in the unlockable lore bits, so I guess there is a realm where Lovecraft goes on a stroll.

[slender night]

Hell the gauntlet and the BFC are straight up from Heretic + Hexen

[tropic adder]

This is actually so sad when you say it out loud and so true man. I think they should just skip Quake1 and go straight to Strogg wars now, because there's no way to differentiate Doom from Quake1 at this point, at least on a surface level.

But does that mean I get my Ranger Doomguy handshake in Doom ?>!>!
Sorry that's my top bromance and I cant get over it. 🤣

[silent prawn]

when cthulu is like the most boring "eldritch creature" that exists imo

its just budget davy jones from pirates of the carribean scaled up by 100

[slender night]

The sad thing is that I would much rather get a new Quake 1 game then a fourth Quake II game. But TDA basically made that next to impossible now. Wouldn't be mad about a new Strogg game, I think they're cool, as long as it keeps the horror aesthetic Quake 4 built

[silent prawn]

well the bfg also showed up in quake once so its not like these franchises dont constantly mingle between eachother

[slender night]

Well yeah but the difference is that these games were just as big at the time, now you have that one meme of the fat guy drinking everything while the malnourished guy only gets like two drops

[silent prawn]

id love internal references

[slender night]

I should note I think it's awesome they're trying into Heretic with the BFC, I just gave it as an example of how similiar the games are

[silent prawn]

fair

[tropic adder]

Dude Doomguy drank all of Ranger's beer.

[crude sparrow]

Turned that shit off instantly when the option became available

[silent prawn]

i should try those eventually

[slender night]

I've played through every game from all five of id's franchises and I can confidently say I only really disliked one. So they have some good shit

And it's one that almost everyone finds to be an FPS masterpiece, so :p

[tropic adder]

ye in q2, which was pretty much a scifi thing all the way. cyborgs vs humans. war war war and Bitter lemon.

[slender night]

And then they took the BFG 10k back with DOOM Eternal lol

[silent prawn]

im ngl this game cemented id as part of the big 3 "AAA outliers i have"
them being valve, fromsoft, and now id

valve are, well uhh
valve, cant add much more to that
fromsoft, as much as their games dont cater to what i enjoy at all, i cant deny what they make is high quality and passionate
and id are the kings of optimization like what do you mean this ps5 exclusive title on console runs nearly flawlessly on the steam deck 😭

[crude sparrow]

WITH FORCED RAY TRACING TOO

[slender night]

I mean, id has deserved that title ever since they released DOOM's source code

[tropic adder]

I think this is the time to have Doom milked to death, just like with every title ever that gained popularity this much.
After that... there will be stagnation, and then Quake will emerge as the new carrier... and milking cow.

[slender night]

Quake got milked to death during the 2010s with the million Quake III remakes and remasters lol

[silent prawn]

well as muxh as they are milking it, you can admit no doom game has been a repeat in its reboot whoch i feel is kinda nifty

its neat seeing so much variance in types of an fps there can be when most of the AAA fps scene has stagnated to hell

[slender night]

I think it's time for a new Hexen. They've obviously been interested in the IP lately, seeing that Hexen Reborn thing, and the remaster...

[tropic adder]

That is also correct. So we'll have to find a new cow.

[slender night]

RAGE or Hexen. Can even outsource them. I just want a new game man

[twilit stone]

Think they'd consider a new IP entirely?

[tropic adder]

Like anyone would care about id's new ip after Doom. xD

[crude sparrow]

I don't think Bethesda would like that tbh xD

[tropic adder]

Dont get me wrong btw, I would.

[silent prawn]

would honestly be really cool to see im ngl

they have the talent to back something like that up

[twilit stone]

I would 🥺

[slender night]

Probably not, the only brand recognition would be that it's id Software, while they have DOOM and Quake etc etc that could get their sales up just by the name

They tried a new IP 15 years ago and it flopped

[crude sparrow]

They'd rather have id make new entries for pre-existing ip's because they sell well

[silent prawn]

honestly i think the doom name is just being slapped onto fun ideas they keep coming up with for fps games

cause i mean so far the modern dooms havent exactly had a miss

[tropic adder]

"From the creators of legendary Doom and Quake and Wolfenstein bro, comes and entirely new original title!"

[twilit stone]

I mean eventually people are gonna get sick of it tho right? Like speaking personally, I don't think I need another doom game after TDA's DLC

[slender night]

Sued for deceptive marketing (they didn't create Wolfenstein)

[sacred salmon]

Hello, anyone has a spare steam key for dark ages?

[crude sparrow]

Game awards ahh presentation

And then fucking miss piggy appears on screen 😭

[silent prawn]

a new original game, "smashing pumpkins into putrid piles of debris reborn!"

[slender night]

Look at all of their games, they've always been innovating and entirely changing up the gameplay from one game to another. So that's the case

[tropic adder]

Dude I'd give you mine if I could, just to get it out of my library. That would be my good deed to start the year.

[twilit stone]

Lmao, it's not THAT bad.. I guess

[slender night]

So like... why not slap another name on their games? I'm gonna sound like a broken record now but the last three Quake games are multiplayer experiences, the last RAGE turns 7 this year, and the last Heretic/Hexen game was in the last century

[silent prawn]

honestly so many of the short catchy game names are gone itd prolly wind up akin to some gem such as idk
"dog masher 3" or something

what is that
i thought of 3 random words where the hell did dog masher come from 😭

[slender night]

Four of their five IPs have verbs as their names, do with that what you will

[tropic adder]

I want Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 4

[twilit stone]

Maybe id should just stop making games

[slender night]

Be the next Valve

[tropic adder]

Get into milk production.

[crude sparrow]

Yeah and they'll start making hardware

[silent prawn]

honestly i think dooms still going rn cause id is internally invested in whatever wacky world they are building here

[twilit stone]

True I can't imagine how well this franchise pays

[crude sparrow]

Bring Carmack back on the team he'd be down

[slender night]

It's actually probably because of the fact that every other franchise underperformed in some way meanwhile DOOM has been bringing in reviews AND money

[tropic adder]

Oh they could definitely get into milking bizz with Doom.

[silent prawn]

speaking of which does anyone here actually take the stoey in these games seriously like come on some of its so goofy in such an endearing fashion but its not serious

[crude sparrow]

I like it

It's not supposed to be that serious though

[silent prawn]

as do i

its all comically over the top
i feel like eternals goofy artstyle was honestly the perfect direction for the story idk why people seemed so annoyed with it

[slender night]

Quake 4 sold poorly, the last few Wolfensteins have reportedly sold poorly (and YB's reviews...), RAGE got bad reviews, both of them, and the brand recognition for Hexen is agonizingly low by now

[twilit stone]

It's grown on me. It still doesn't feel like I've gotten the sequel I always wanted to 2016 tho (narratively speaking)

[slender night]

Well because the last three games were 2016, 3, and 64 😭
All had really dark gritty visuals and then we get to crayon world

[crude sparrow]

Someone said that the story is there only as an excuse to put you in sick set pieces which somewhat makes sense

[hazy pasture]

It's not supposed to be taken seriously but then again, the world building is going pretty well and lore has gotten deeper and vast with each new entry so there's always something to ponder over and talk about.

[silent prawn]

well the dlc is qpparently gonna tie back into 2016 so you might get a prequel to that

[crude sparrow]

Nope, there's still a lot of time in-between tda and 2016

[silent prawn]

well 3 was kinda an outlier

and also 64 still had some of that goofy overthetop antics ie
why the hell does a chainsaw need 2 blades

[slender night]

3's not a black sheep

[twilit stone]

I guess my biggest issue with Eternal and TDA is that they focused more on world-building over characters, which is what I loved so much about 2016's story

[silent prawn]

im not calling it that its more akin to

"this was a poorly recieved attempt at a reboot that has aged better over time"

[twilit stone]

And the world-building is still cool, but if you dont have characters u care about in that world, it feels a bit hollow

[hazy pasture]

Nope it's not like that. Some of 2016's lore statements are gonna make sense in the DLC

[crude sparrow]

Tbf 2016 had like 2 characters bro 😭

not counting doomguy*

[tropic adder]

Which is sadness cuz I loved Q4. I think it was real dynamic and fun and I was invested in being an orange robocop and understanding strogg language... Mainly because I'm a huge strogg/borg fan and I'd probably sell the human race to them should they ever appear, even if I end up in a tube of stroyent or whatever that battery shit was called.

[slender night]

Well, no, it got really strong reviews, but then people started calling it an odd and bad game because the YouTubers told them to, so now people are convinced it's always been considered bad :p
The distaste for it is fresh

[slender night]

I loved Quake 4 too! Just wish it was longer, and ran better on the 360

[twilit stone]

I mean yeah but TDA is like 14 hours long and didn't manage to make me care all that much about the characters in the time it had, which is kind of insane

[silent prawn]

had no idea

regardless i never fully played through it

not cause i hated it but more cause i had other stuff to do

only thing i noticed was its intro sequence is like a few details away from being a carboncopy of half life blue shift

which people also hate for no reason so

[tropic adder]

14? Wow it felt like eternity to me.

[crude sparrow]

I think it just came out at a bad time, half life 2 literally came out in the same year

[slender night]

To be fair if you play through Heretic II it really feels like Half-Life 2 took from that game. So it went full circle

Speaking of, TM is right, it came out at a bad time, which is agonizingly stupid because they did this same mistake in 1998 by releasing Heretic II a week before Half-Life

[silent prawn]

the circle of pointless rage against things underserving of such

[tropic adder]

I'd disagree. I feel like TDA was all about characters, and entirely ones I dgaf about. xD

[crude sparrow]

The game was good for it's time until it wasn't a couple months later

[silent prawn]

honestly i felt the characters existed only to make murdering 2 very specific scumbags feel 100x more satisfying

[slender night]

Heretic/Hexen got it rough man. First game came out in the shadow of DOOM II. Second game right before Quake. Third game right after Quake. Fourth game right before Half-Life. It feels like a sabotage

[brazen crystal]

They made Wolf 3D, but not the ones people actually like

[slender night]

I loved Wolf3D

[tropic adder]

there's only one character we care about tho, so you can slap ponies in the world, and call it doom, i guess it would still be awesome.

[twilit stone]

Okay tbf I think the Kreed was actually pretty solid, everyone else was mid but the Kreed was funny at least

[tropic adder]

Ok ok he was.

[crude sparrow]

Kreed was the goat

[tropic adder]

Asscrack was too. I liked him cuz he annoyed me which was the idea, i supposed.

[slender night]

Ahzrak is the first DOOM villain with more than two minutes of screentime

[silent prawn]

also honestly i feel like the dragon thing with its lore n all just felt like buildup to another bunny incident

and then it was but it was really funny having that lightbulb go off of a "oh he is screwed" moment

[brazen crystal]

I still don't know what they were going for with commander Thira. They set her up as this girl boss badass but then proceeded to have her spend most of the game kidnapped like Princess Peach. Then she gets her special blue powers and kills like 3 imps and 2 heavies

[crude sparrow]

I'd take kreed over khan maykr any day of the week

[silent prawn]

she just turned into the hydra from the half life 2 beta

[twilit stone]

I was mainly disappointed we never saw the ghost Sentinel guys from 2016

[crude sparrow]

Maybe she'll get more in the dlc?

[tropic adder]

I dunno what else to put as a reaction emotikon but i wanna give you a planet.

[slender night]

I liked Thira but I absolutely hate the "chosen one" shit, they undid the damage to the Slayer and carried it over to a new character. Sucks

[tropic adder]

Same but I didn't like her to begin with cuz I had a feel it would go that way. Call it "female intuition"

[crude sparrow]

I don't think we're in that part of the story yet as of tda

[brazen crystal]

Like I don't care about how cool she is because there is an infinitely cooler character I can pay as

[silent prawn]

speaking of funny things, "too angry to die" honestly got me really good

[slender night]

I cringed so hard at that achievement I'm sorry

[brazen crystal]

I was expecting her to be cool but then I suspect mid development ID feared being called "woke" so they made her do way less

[twilit stone]

I also would've been more impressed with her Wraith power if she used it to like pull apart 3 Barons or smth, not 10 Imps like that is not a feat lmao

[slender night]

It's 2020 r/doom humor

[crude sparrow]

That scene was mostly fan service but I loved it so xD

[silent prawn]

it was more the entire level, but it also served as an explanation as to why the demons shat their pants at the slayer
even if he died hed just come back

because they were in hell

[brazen crystal]

The nerd guy who Doomguy's best friends with could probably do that

[slender night]

Well yeah that part is cool, the achievement specifically is what bugs me though, it reminds me of the shitty memes when Eternal released like "anime is temporary doom is eternal" that all the 14 year olds found hilarious

[crude sparrow]

"Intern is the wretch" theories in 2020 😭 😭

[silent prawn]

the achievo itself was kinda just a tiny dash of absurdism that turns the entire really funny concept into a kinda laughingstock

[brazen crystal]

I hate clicking on Doom music and looking at the comments and it's just talking about how badass Doomguy is instead of the music

[slender night]

TRUTH NUKE

[silent prawn]

also i feel it wasnt intended as funny cause like

genuinely how else do you describe that succinctly

[crude sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-true-launch-the-true-doom-launch-the-true-gif-17039720600748597696

[slender night]

If I had a nickel for every time an id Software protagonist died and then in some wacky way got revived, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

[brazen crystal]

Like you can enjoy both, not all anime is MHA

God I hate autocorrect

How does it not know the word anime

[tropic adder]

Ngl, I got through some mild surgical procedure with the attitude of "everything is temporary, doom is eternal", tho luckily it turned out benigne, but still that attitude helped a lot!

[silent prawn]

im ngl kreed was my favourite character but also was equally satisfying to kill anyways

was a great way to start the new year lmao

[twilit stone]

The Kreed should've been the main antagonist

[brazen crystal]

He's just a big fat goober, I love him

[silent prawn]

a good villain is someone you love to hate

and so kreed fails cause hes goofy as hell in both behaviour and design and i kinda love that in a wierd way

[tropic adder]

That boss fight reminded me of world of warcraft tho. :X

[slender night]

In early 2024 a wasp flew through the window and kept trying to sting me. Too bad for it I was playing through Wolfenstein II at the time, so I felt confident and just crushed it. Admittedly stupid, stinger could have still stung, but it didn't

[silent prawn]

this is also something a lot of these twist or sympathetic villain twist attempts fall on their faces though so its better to have an endearing villain then say-

anything in those fields

[brazen crystal]

I like the Kreed because he actually had a personality. None of the modern doom games really have that

Even Prince Asscrack is pretty boring

[silent prawn]

well sam was a snarky asshole in 2016 and i kinda loved that

[slender night]

The Icon of Sin is a really good antagonist; can't call it a villain really since all it does is just fuck shit up. But I absolutely love how the game conveys to you that it's a big deal, with the dramatic music and all, made the final level really awesome atmospherically

[twilit stone]

I like all the antagonists in 2016 and Eternal, even Davoth. He just didn't get the time he deserved

[slender night]

I think Wolfenstein: The New Order has the best villain I've ever seen in a game. And then for the sequel they made a very bad one. Super swagtastic

[silent prawn]

davoth felt out of nowhere but was really cool conceptually

honestly it felt like the dlc story was rushed

[slender night]

It was, they had a self imposed time limit (Year One Pass), and it was during COVID too

[silent prawn]

that was a stupid choice imo

just shouldve called it dlc pass

[slender night]

Ancient Gods 2 had really strong potential man. What we got in the end is still really good for the working conditions but it's such an average sequel

[brazen crystal]

Oh yeah, we love Samuel Hayden. Shame Olivia did nothing but turn into a beeg spider at the end

[twilit stone]

TAG should've been the third nuDoom game, not TDA

[slender night]

Hey that alone makes her hyper based though because seeing the Mastermind back was awesome

[silent prawn]

davoth is genuinely such a neat concept for a villain but they just kinda failed to build him up

[brazen crystal]

Yeah, it's honestly dissapointing the conclusion of the entire series is a DLC

[slender night]

100%. Casting out such a big storyline to a DLC with 6 levels was so stupid

[silent prawn]

yea

also slayers classic pocket bfg round arc began where he can fire an empty bfg into it

honestly really funny

so mad he simply willed a fourth bfg round into existance

[slender night]

Vro has hammerspace

[brazen crystal]

I feel like this series is too scared to make the villains interesting because it'll take spotlight away from Doomguy

[tropic adder]

I like doom comic, therefore I don't like to say 'he mad', but stubborn. I see him as an egomaniac, and that he does things just 'cuz he can'.

[silent prawn]

considering the "valuable humanity saving filters" incident, i believe you

he 100% did that out of sheer spite

[slender night]

Gotta appeal to the "Doomguy's cough was the big bang" crowd

[brazen crystal]

I know, the reason NOBODY cares about the Doom storyline is because we all know that he can't be beaten no matter what

[twilit stone]

I wish it wasn't that way

[silent prawn]

doomguy is banjo kazooie and needs to collect the jiggi- cough i mean action figures
(i have never played banjo kazooie)

[slender night]

Yeah the flanderization of Doomguy is depressing

[brazen crystal]

"Anime is temporary, Doom is Eternal" MFS after learning there's an Anime called Demon Slayer

[twilit stone]

I mean I don't know if I'm weird but like I like being intimidated by the demons. Because when I finally kill them all it actually feels like I've achieved smth

[bleak jackal]

I think a doom anime would be a cool way to flesh out a lot more story and show some of the codex stories actually happening

Live action show would never be able to do it justice

[silent prawn]

has the same energy of stoomtroopers from star wars missing on the death star to let them get away turning into "they are biologically broken and literally cannot hit a shot ever" cause people couldnt read the room

[slender night]

TDA was a step in the right direction, showing his want to save people and not just kill demons. I hate the modern idea that he's a murder machine that can tear through anything and just pretends to be hurt and use guns and shit for fun. And don't even get me started on Daisy

[brazen crystal]

IMO he was at his best in 2016, You got just enough body language for a personality

[tropic adder]

But isn't that the point of Doom? Of course we can beat everything? We are the player AND the Slayer. Of course we'll win.

Even tho we didn't really win at the end of TAG2. xD

[silent prawn]

this still pisses me off sm

[slender night]

And also showing the Witch and Ahzrak overpowering him

[brazen crystal]

I mean we know that, its just that Doomguy dosen't struggle that much. That's why the Cyberdemon boss fight in 2016 is so good because the first thing he does is surprise Doomguy and manhandle him

[silent prawn]

this one made him more human

which sadly i feel a lot of vocal morons will hate

"noo they humanized kratos wahhh my masculinity is undermined wahhh"

[tropic adder]

That's what the new kids on the block think tho. I never thought he was a murder machine. And probably half of the people here who came from the 90s.

[brazen crystal]

Duh, everyone knows testosterone is a depressant

[bleak jackal]

The witch and ahzrak would be fodder to him by 2016 or eternal

That is why we need more games earlier in his journey, and not at the end of it where he had eons to absorb power from everything he killed like a super battery 😅

[slender night]

Yeah that's why I said flanderization earlier, it's pretty clear this character wasn't intended for this, but the modern community takes it otherwise

[brazen crystal]

Doom guy is silent because he's on the verge of falling asleep constantly

[slender night]

Yeah boring games, platforming, atlan sections, smh smh

[silent prawn]

gordon freeman-core
man who hasnt slept in like a decade and has done nothing but fight, despite just being a scientist

😭 poor dude

[brazen crystal]

I still don't get why they made Asscrack have 2 fights. Like we already beat him, so we probably can beat him when his girlfriend's helping out. I think they should have put the Witch instead of Asscrack's first bossfight

[brazen crystal]

I like the platforming and puzzles, but mech sections are so bad

[slender night]

I like them all I'm being sarcastic lol

[bleak jackal]

Ya me either, we beat the cosmic powered up version and then the transformed variant of that

So why we needed to fight base azhrak aswell is beyond me

[slender night]

Well mech sections could have been better

[twilit stone]

Okay ngl that's actually one the things I like with TDA's climax. Most games would just cut to credits there and say "ahh we'll get em next time" but this is DOOM so it's like "he's dying NOW"

[tropic adder]

But even so I like him showing less. That way it stays "slayer and player" 👉🏻 👈🏻
(Im very much a sucker for that immersion)

[silent prawn]

it felt more like a "hey that guy who almost kicked your ass? check out how pathetic he is"

[brazen crystal]

I still think the Witch should have gotten her own bossfight

[bleak jackal]

I agree, the witch on her own but have 2 phases

[silent prawn]

also the slayer just stating "run" was honetsly a good step

it feels like he doesnt feel the need to speak more then is needed, and thus he doesnt

[twilit stone]

I mean, you can still be immersed in a world whilst your player character has personality and dialogue, at least imo. I'm not saying they should do that with Doomguy, I'm just saying it's not impossible

[silent prawn]

smth i can say is this games bosses are so muxh better then eternals were

holy shit they DIDNT SPAM INVINCIBILITY PHASES!!!!

[twilit stone]

Oh yeah definitely, the Witch was so underutilised, but I think the way Asscrack went out was kinda perfect

[silent prawn]

same

his death felt so deserved and honestly smth i can commend this game for

both of its villains deaths were so damn satisfying

[tropic adder]

Oh no, it's not impossible. Games like Mass Effect do this very nicely. I just dont want it in Doom. Doomguy is me. I am Doomguy. That's how it's always have been. And the only reason I didn't like TDA (besides that I dgaf about the setting really) was that this immersion felt disconnected. If it's not there - it's not doom to me. Doomguy and I. We drive in the front seat.

[brazen crystal]

AND HALF OF THEM WEREN'T BIG MARAUDERS

[silent prawn]

the disconnect was prolly in part due to the frequent first person breaks

including the dragon which mildly annoyed me tbh

[brazen crystal]

(I like the gladiator and dark lord bossfight, I'm just making a joke)

[bleak jackal]

I hope they take the time in tda sequel to show the transformatiin of the sentinel knights into marauders

[twilit stone]

Not even that, just the fact the cutscenes cut away from Doomguy himself. Like Eternal's cutscenes never felt immersion breaking because Doomguy was still present in all of them

[silent prawn]

doom went from trying to be horror to a power trip franchise

so its just half life but with consistent releases

[harsh egret]

i feel like its mostly due to there being too much screentime for other characters

[slender night]

Yeah but unlike Half-Life the sequels are good sequels 😌

[harsh egret]

holy shit i cant type

[silent prawn]

that too

learning about kreeds bs from teh slayers perspective wouldve been cooler

[brazen crystal]

I like how in the box art for the old Doom games, Doomguy was clearly struggling, with scratches and wounds all over him

[harsh egret]

learning everything is cooler from the slayers perspective, a reason i dont mind codexes and im SO happy that we are getting more immersive cutscenes and stuff from the slayers pov in the dlc

[brazen crystal]

I think they gave them both too much AND too little screen time. They get enough to distract from the Slayer but don't get enough to actually be developed

[tropic adder]

Nah it wasn't that. I think it was the way 'story' was communicated. I'm not saying the immersion should be achieved with 1st person cutscenes, just that I felt like doomguy was someone else dressed as him and I was in the back seat of the car. Like wtf am I playing even? Yes that was my question the whole time during the campaign. I could've settle with Ripatorium, but I didn't buy game for the Ripatorium alone, so.

[silent prawn]

the last 3 had him be whwre things were happening

this feels like you are being led along

then again thats konda also the point and ig thats why the dlc is gonna prioritize firat person cutscenes, the slayers off doing his own thing

[twilit stone]

Good

[harsh egret]

pretty much

[silent prawn]

thats probably why it felt off
unlike every other doom gamethe slayer is actively being ordered around

which feels off cpnsidering what he is portrayed as
if he wants to help he will help

[bleak jackal]

They should do a prequel dlc just after he arrives in Argent D'nur, allowing you to fight in the sentinels arena and ascend their ranks

And cover up to him going into the divinity machine

That way his iron will can be shown since he won't be walking invulmerability to demons

[silent prawn]

doom rougelike

[harsh egret]

:I

[brazen crystal]

Yeah that'd be fun. Playing as a pre-divinity machine Slayer again

[tropic adder]

I liked Doom Infinite! That's basically Doom roguelike.

[slender night]

Well yeah... the biggest character arc of the game is the fact that he wants to break free from control, and at the end it's revealed he left to do his own thing

[brazen crystal]

Oh I love that mod

[silent prawn]

which is very fitting and good

[bleak jackal]

It really would, plus the gameplay could be adjusted so there is far more tension and penalties if u are not careful since you are human still

[tropic adder]

Not if you believe that he died at E1M8, which I do. I strongly do.

[brazen crystal]

Yeah, make it more about dodging and avoiding hits you can't take like the old games

Actually most of the games are like that

I can't think of a single game where you're supposed to tank hits

Nvm

[bleak jackal]

Pre divinity doom guy era has potemtial for a coop like spin off where you could play as the doomguy and sentinel knights against demon invasions

Like warhammer darktide style

[tropic adder]

That is true. It did felt like an errand run and only felt like doom to me during Harbor of Souls, where the cinematics were a combo of 1st person and 3rd person and also some fun "typically doomguy bits" like shooting the 'Charon'.

[twilit stone]

Harbor of Souls is so much better than the rest of the game it's not even funny

Narratively at least

[silent prawn]

honestly id love a tag2 followup that leads to doomguy going home to his own reality

hes not uberjuiced anymore in that timeline after all, he deserves some rest in an actual bed

[tropic adder]

Why put it on Argen't DNur then? WHo cares about that? Put it on Earth or Mars. Classic era. Name it DOOMTIDE, cuz that's what Doom's about - scifi and demons not space romans and kings. It's fun but wtf is that even?

[bleak jackal]

Ya the maps could be from all over , they have portals for travelling around afterall

[tropic adder]

(I was joking about the name btw)

[twilit stone]

Yeah but every game has to be medieval now

[silent prawn]

like hes been astranged from his own reality for eons atp
let him go home

[silent prawn]

honestly medieval is so overplayed it drove me into a damn mech game like its getting so damn bloated

[slender night]

TDA certainly is unique but turning a sci-fi IP into medieval certainly is a choice... especially when you already have a medieval IP

[silent prawn]

medieval sci-fi is kinda cool tho

[tropic adder]

It's called DOOM for a reason, not "this ends well", even tho I'd like to see him with his wife and kid again. MAYBE he has dreams in that box and is there until he's woken up again.

[brazen crystal]

I remember when people first saw that they were like "Just make a Quake reboot"

[slender night]

I'm thinking Hexen

[brazen crystal]

Turn his wife and children into zombie doom slayers like him

[twilit stone]

Resident Evil did this as well, like can we stop please?

[tropic adder]

Or just dies with them and "he's home".

[flat elm]

Doom 3 have even “castles” like buildings, and classic Doom too

[silent prawn]

idk

i feel like its becoming more and more clear that there is a person behind that mask regardless of everything he does

he has to get tired of being dragged around like a childrens toy eventually

[silent prawn]

true
it did

[twilit stone]

But like that was specifically in the Hell sections. Not the entire core setting

[silent prawn]

idk it just feels wrong for his end to be that one spongebob image

"get in the box"
the end

[tropic adder]

There was always a person behind the mask. Even in the classics when we didnt bother about 'lore and continity'. And he was pretty much what you wanted him to be, while he was his own person at the same time. Immersion? Yeah. Immersion.

[flat elm]

Yup, in hell

[jade comet]

Doom 64 felt that way in a lot of its levels and it still retained the core essence of doom's atmosphere

[silent prawn]

i feel like the idea going here is doomguy stumbled into this war between hell and this place and thats why hell had the castles

it was mirroring the place it was actively fighting

[tropic adder]

Also not every game ever has to have their character personified into a 3rd party entity we watch like it's a movie character. This goes literally against doom... unless doom nowadays is something else entirely, which I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

[silent prawn]

it however doesnt explain why cacodemons keep changing from meatballs into eldritch horrors and then back agaim

[fleet spruce]

And modern Doom hell takes a lot of visuals from 3's depiction of it too!

[silent prawn]

doesnt doom 3 also have the slayers box in it too at some point

[jade comet]

Especially doom 2016
I felt like the art direction of doom 3 and 2016 were really similar

[silent prawn]

or am i misremembering things

[fleet spruce]

Definitely

[tropic adder]

"Slayer Box" tm.

I want one.

[silent prawn]

instant slayer

add hot water, wait 3 miniutes, and die horribly!dont forget to choose your "flavor packet" from your home collection of weaponizeable objects

[tropic adder]

TBF I dont think he being around anything living is a good idea. "And Hell followed" hits pretty hard after Eternal.

But i'd risk it. T_T
I'd risk you all.

[silent prawn]

dont forget to choose your "flavour packet" from your home collection of easily weaponizeable objects!

[brazen crystal]

Hm..I feel like having a Doom 64 slayer, I like how subtle the flavor is

[jade comet]

Maybe it's their evolution?
It's confirmed that the Mother Demon from doom 64 is capable of changing the appearance and behaviour of demons (of course that bit of lore was just a way for the devs to justify their changes to the original demons in doom & doom 2)

[silent prawn]

yeah but evolution typically isnt a circle

[jade comet]

Although granted the mother demon is dead by the time tda takes place

[silent prawn]

unless this is like

demonic carcinization

[brazen crystal]

Man the UAC is so much worse at making Revenenants than Hell

[twilit stone]

Still want to see her return at some point

[slender night]

Isn't the change of appearance a mix of the radiation, rot, and Doomguy's PTSD?

[tropic adder]

I honestly hope we saw her in TDA, but I doubt that's her hahah

[silent prawn]

yk that thing where crustaceans keep evolving into crabs for no reason

but for floating fireball spewing abominations

[jade comet]

Maybe the cacos tried out something new with their biology, saw that the doom slayer was ripping and tearing through them too easily, and reverted back to their original form

[silent prawn]

also reminds me of that one species of birds that keep evolving into existance;, going extinct due to their home island flooding as they became flightless, and then doing the same thing again

[jade comet]

Oh the appearance change is probably that I must have misremembered the details
But I'm sure the behaviour change is from the mother demon

[silent prawn]

nature really likes concocting cruel jokes

[jade comet]

I haven't heard of that that's super interesting

[silent prawn]

ok its not as looping as i thought but it still did happen

ok

its called an aldabra rail

[jade comet]

Ohh

[silent prawn]

it was flightless, its island flooded, its white throated variant could fly and survived, recolonized the island, and then became flightless

thus re evolving the species that had just gone extinct

and this is considered the only known case of this ever happening when it comes to birds

ots kinda neat

one thing for sure i was not expecting to discuss "speculative cacodemon evolution" today

[topaz oriole]

Does anyone know where I can get all the details for the dark ages dlc

[harsh egret]

#the-dark-ages message

[obsidian shard]

The Cacodemon Hybrid isn't even a proper Caco, the game straight up mentions this, Same to the Baron, they are creatures created to Reaffirm a pact with the Cosmic Realm and Hell

The creatures were made through Forbidden Gene-splicing

[silent prawn]

ah

what about doom 3 caco

[obsidian shard]

Ive never seen the DOOM3 Caco nor do I care about it

[silent prawn]

oh wait no thats still technically a meatball

ok yeah that makes sense

[fleet spruce]

the total opposite of tda caco, absolutely not threatning

[silent prawn]

doom 3 caco is just sauceless

dry meatball

[thin hound]

Imagine the first new demon we see in the DLC trailer is a Cursed Imp Stalker

[fleet spruce]

let it be a classic looking baron of hell

[thin hound]

Or let them bring back cursed prowlers, right?

[flat elm]

I reread caco's entry
And there were no hints that this is a cosmic denizen who cosplays hellspawn. They, like the Acolytes, are victims of Ulsamir's magic:

"Cacodemons Hybrids are ancient fragments of a hive mind, their twisted thoughts feeding the unknowable gods who rain over the suffocating lowlands. These creatures, once part of the demonic hierarchy of Hell, have been corrupted by the eldritch manipulations of the Witch. They drift across the lowlands, their eyeless gaze wandering minds to consume, devouring thought and memory to sustain their eternal, maddening communion with the gods.”

[thin hound]

[obsidian shard]

Read the cosmic Barons

But, thanks for the clarification from the codex

[flat elm]

The fact that cosmic baron was created differently does not mean that Brain meatball has the same origin as baron.

[obsidian shard]

Ye, my mistake, my bad.

[arctic pagoda]

Hibbs

I'm sad my meatball caco didn't appear

Justice for meatball

[flat elm]

https://youtu.be/whFk5641pyw

This guy

I love to shoot in their brain in point blank from shotgun.

[random sand]

what the fuck is that

[flat elm]

Doom 3 cacodemon

[random sand]

holy hell it's ugly 😭

[flat elm]

Sure

[slender night]

Don't diss my boy like that

[gleaming vortex]

I still think about this message omg

[wintry forge]

Nah Doom 3 Caco cool af

[hazy pasture]

Nah mah boi goob is awesome

[random sand]

dunno about that one

[wintry forge]

It ain’t better than the classic but it ain’t ugly by any means

[hazy pasture]

I love his yellow projectiles

[harsh egret]

i'll back u up on this one

[wintry forge]

Rare L by Hato

[harsh egret]

it be like that

[hazy pasture]

Greetings to Icon, Hato and N3X0N

[harsh egret]

sup yo

[random sand]

someone who spelled my name right? never thought i'd see the day

[hazy pasture]

2026 is 2016 all over again with the level of unexpected things I see

[hazy pasture]

Nothing much, chilling in the basement

[wintry forge]

So we hating on Caco Hybrid too?

[harsh egret]

nah he cool

well i do hate him just not his looks this time

[green estuary]

nah we hating on doom 3 caco

[harsh egret]

hell yeah

[wintry forge]

Nah we like both

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

[wintry forge]

Caco Hybrid is the worst Caco ai, but still a great Caco design

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/we-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-14928204287258878513

[wintry forge]

Yes we do

It’s canon that doom 3 Caco is also a goat

[empty furnace]

lowkey what advantages does grenade launcher have over rocket launcher?

[hazy pasture]

I love how coincidentally TDA Caco looks like a hybrid of D3 Caco and D4.1 Caco

[green estuary]

you can duck behind cover and lob grenades at stuff

that's about it

[hazy pasture]

Plus the scatter upgrade just increases aoe

[spark elm]

Harbor of Souls, Resurrection, were actually great levels.

[hazy pasture]

True

[wintry forge]

Harbor of Souls is top 5

[spark elm]

Great tracks, great levels.

[harsh egret]

harbor of souls is my fav lvl

[hazy pasture]

Steel Beyond Grave might be my fav ambience

[spark elm]

Ambience? That’s the combat track for resurrection.

[wintry forge]

Yeah that’s combat

[spark elm]

Rebirth plays as ambience for resurrection.

[hazy pasture]

Hmm mb then

[empty furnace]

city of ryu'ul, kar'thul marshes, and harbor are my personal favorites

[wintry forge]

Same

[spark elm]

Sentinel barracks plays as harbor of souls ambience.

[hazy pasture]

Yeah I meant Rebirth

[spark elm]

Gotcha.

[empty furnace]

are there any advantages to using pulverizer over ravager?

[hazy pasture]

I do love the latter half of SBTG, just right the moment when Cybie spawns in the first room

[spark elm]

It goes very hard all the way through.

[hazy pasture]

Crowd control but usually gets overshadowed by the shield

I find it fun to use sometimes

[empty furnace]

fuh i meant the level after kar’thul

[fleet spruce]

Temple of Lormaith

[heady trout]

the cosmic realm levels are amazing true

[manic arch]

Hopefully its more explored in the dlc

[heady trout]

i haven't made up my mind on what level i find to be my favorite doe, maybe the very last one and the one before final battle

if anything its harder to think of which levels are the least interesting (ofc Atlan levels go low bc while fun they are just spectacle)

I don't wanna say the first level bc I actually find it to be the best first level of the modern doom trilogy

[warm ibex]

I stand with IconOfSimp

in my old age I've come to enjoy most of Doom 3's designs

[heady trout]

doom 3 caco is a lil confused but they got the spirit

[warm ibex]

I like the fucked up, deformed hand it has at the bottom

I wish modern doom would do more weird ass bullshit like that. happy that we got the cosmic baron and caco

[wintry forge]

The goat comes in bearing facts

I like the more “abomination”-type designs like them. They’re absolute atrocities and they’re sick af

[warm ibex]

the only one I still don't care for is the imp, otherwise doom 3 has some sick designs

especially the manc and revevnant. but those are the obvious standouts

[wintry forge]

I like the thin/ translucent skin of the revenant there. Interesting little lore with their design

I can’t believe we almost got Doom 2016 with imps that were quite similar to doom 3’s style

[slender night]

Maledict looks fire

I also have to disagree I think the Imp looks real neat

[warm ibex]

oh fr? I haven't seen anything like that before

just the eyeless pre-launch imps and doom 4 variant

[wintry forge]

Yeah that’s what I meant, their design was more in line with doom 3’s. More bland but not bad

I couldn’t imagine doom 2016 or eternal with that imp design. Just seems like it would be kinda out of place to be in those games now

[warm ibex]

I like the eyeless imp more than the launch version 👀

but im a classic imp truther. anything but the goat is only barely acceptable

[wintry forge]

Unsubbing

[crude zenith]

TIL that Into The Void has a small part of E1M1 in it

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/sbfswag-its-bleak-itsbleak-gif-1198830420792373735

[crude zenith]

Pretty cool honestly

[wintry forge]

I don’t dislike it, I just feel like the more cartoonish designs with their mouths and eyes fit better tonally

[warm ibex]

have you seen the early TDA imp designs? I like the one we got but damn, the werewolf lookin imp is sick as fuck https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1456730503502757939/william-bao-dtda-imp-02-williambao.png?ex=69596d80&is=69581c00&hm=41ec14692cc88e5e89db93572fccae0a543b3cd4265fdf6fa2b73b61d245ed76 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1456730540530204960/william-bao-dtda-imp-03-williambao.png?ex=69596d89&is=69581c09&hm=9da29b5a0361f5b1f4ab26eab16e8569d1b1e72508f69867387fcf4e905f62e0

[wintry forge]

Cuz they look like small hell-knights without, less unique imo

Top left is sick af

[warm ibex]

yeah that's the one I was referring to

really cool design

[wintry forge]

I’d have definitely preferred that

[warm ibex]

also kinda funny that the bottom left design still made it in as the collectible imp

[wintry forge]

I don’t mind trying to keep the consistency with the imp fodder from 2016/ eternal, but with everything else getting a redesign, why not those imps too? They’re the same for the most part, except with hair, so a redesign like this would’ve been welcomed

[slender night]

Four imps in one game 💔

[wintry forge]

Ha, didn’t notice that lol

[warm ibex]

yeah I also prefer the top left design. TDA still has my favorite fodder imp design of the modern trilogy but it wouldn't have hurt to have something a bit different

I'd also be willing to argue that the more monstrous, almost animalistic imp fits TDA a bit better than the purple imp with hair. but that's its own debate lol

[flat elm]

I would say ugly in good way

[wintry forge]

Every enemy getting a badass dark medieval redesign
Meanwhile, the fodder imp: Hair

[fleet spruce]

It looked more like a skinny hell knight than imp tbh

[warm ibex]

which I like

[wintry forge]

Shrunken Hell Knight

[fleet spruce]

malnourished Hell Knight even

[wintry forge]

Doom 3 will always be the goat simply for setting the precedent for the Hell Knight’s design. That was Doom 3’s purpose lmao

[fleet spruce]

funny that you can find those old imp models in VEGA Processing

[warm ibex]

it adds an extra hint of demon consistency. I do like the idea that even the lowest of demons would be born/created blind and would have to fight for their place in hell. brutal shit

[flat elm]

To be fair, eyeless imp, 2016 hell knight and the summoner shares one artist.

[warm ibex]

and on a few multiplayer maps too

[warm ibex]

yeah that does make sense

[warm ibex]

I won't complain too much though. we got the imp stalker and that'll feed me for years

I will, however, complain if they remove him entirely in the next game

[fleet spruce]

And summoner is also among surviving Doom 4 assets...

[flat elm]

Which also redesigned

[wintry forge]

I think it’s a one and done unfortunately

[arctic pagoda]

Doom: the copy paste ages

[green estuary]

monke

[fleet spruce]

considering next game is probably gonna continue off Dark Ages we're likely gonna see hairy imps again

[green estuary]

I call them ric flair imps

now that I mention it I 100% need to make a mod that replaces the fodder imp screeching sfx with WOOOO

[wintry forge]

The next Doom game’s reveal trailer should be: “The Acolyte will return in Doom: The Next Game Ages”

[flat elm]

We need imp spanker

[wintry forge]

lol on that topic, that’s definitely one that won’t return. Along with the hairy demons

[fleet spruce]

Would be so funny to have archviles and acolytes in the same arena haha

[warm ibex]

don't break my heart...

[flat elm]

And possesed by spirits

[wintry forge]

Archvile/Spirit/ Acolyte combo for the ultimate TAG1 style TDA experience

[fleet spruce]

Yes

bring the pain!

[flat elm]

IDK why but the cosmic baron gives me pyramid head vibes