the-dark-ages

[harsh egret]

yeah i cant believe we have to wait a year for the dlc 🥀

[obsidian shard]

good, how are you

[chrome dove]

im doing alright

[hazy pasture]

It's gonna be HL3 situation here

[warm tendon]

It was such a fire game I enjoyed every second of it

[obsidian shard]

REAL

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1441456807036846152/1450655116242849944/scream_if_you_love_3.gif

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-rage-shake-head-smh-brock-lesnar-gif-17914942

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/kermitthefrog-dance-dancing-goingwild-crazy-gif-5023883256888097815

[harsh egret]

samir u should go get that komodo displate in the meantime

[frail bloom]

I don't know what it looks like yet

[obsidian shard]

me send rn

[frail bloom]

Sneaky sent a link but I can't use it

[harsh egret]

it looks like ur worst nightmares from what i heard

[frail bloom]

Like is there a pic

[harsh egret]

isnt it ingrained in ur head

cuz u love the komodo so much

[frail bloom]

No what does the displate look like

Also

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-agustsson-foxhole-minecraft-gif-4516584464046033199

[harsh egret]

its a rectangle piece of metal with the komodo on it to sit in ur room and haunt u

[frail bloom]

Great I can put it next to Jesus

Peak bedroom

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1451700480030801941/a5a2148e7d78209896225d59ea13c68c_c71796297dc4bc8d476ca4f3c7d860b0.webp?ex=694720ed&is=6945cf6d&hm=4ec1c27c745df8a7625c4f41f9f3049380ee5a4af6c4a69529504fa35d9727b8&

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

That design is cool tho

Like c'mon

[obsidian shard]

No mancubus one

[harsh egret]

tbh its just the codex page

[frail bloom]

Ik but I'm appreciating the design

Just so cool

Too bad it has adhd and a rampant cocaine addiction

[harsh egret]

the slayer codex one would be peak

[frail bloom]

Sure why not

Can we get a black komodo

Would look sick

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1451701004243570729/e29555092148556a86366c6c25035dbf_original.jpg?ex=6947216a&is=6945cfea&hm=2f3f2a0198ced2536c2052533f0e48fa0f9382dd6caf1b5147a3362ea6698bfc&

[frail bloom]

Ye brother that is like the complete opposite

[harsh egret]

u can paint it black

its like the point of why its like that

[frail bloom]

Hm

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-rolling-dung-push-pushing-gif-8390148

[frail bloom]

Well I do have paint

Hmm

[harsh egret]

but man i cant wait to get these man

[obsidian shard]

REAL

[harsh egret]

im happy i bought the all in bundle but god damn gonna be almost a year

[obsidian shard]

Ya, 2 days till next update i think!

[harsh egret]

next update?

[obsidian shard]

They will give Monthly updates on how the Design process is going, mini's etc etc

among other things

[harsh egret]

aaah right i forgot

[spark elm]

Best combat theme?
Best boss theme?
Best ambient?

infernal, hard to choose for the other two

[frail bloom]

Hm

Best ambient is cosmic sea imo

Best boss theme, from the ashes

Combat theme, unholy siege

For now, it always changes

[spare panther]

into the void is the best imo the official ost just doesnt do it justice

[frail bloom]

Well we got youtube mixes

[spare panther]

Exactly

[frail bloom]

And flacs from a select few

[spare panther]

Spc hcs mix is my favorite i think

[frail bloom]

Which are higher sound quality

He has my fav unholy siege mix but besides that I usually listen to thedinosaurheretic

[spare panther]

I should listen to that guys mixes more honestly but ive been into risk of rain music recently so it might be a little bit lol

[frail bloom]

Oh they're good

And he has flacs of his mixes too

[spare panther]

Oh cool

[frail bloom]

You can prob import them into apple music or smt

[spare panther]

I might try that actually

[frail bloom]

Put on lossless quality or smt

So it sounds less compressed

[spare panther]

Yeah yeah

I would use lossless on spotify but the data usage is higher than im comfortable with i think lol

[frail bloom]

Ye like a gigabyte

Ridiculous

[spare panther]

Yup crazy

Maybe worth it but i dont really wanna try

[frail bloom]

I just put on high quality, it's good enough

[spark elm]

Apotheosis is nice too

[sleek surge]

Lawd have mercy this game died so fast in march😔

[obsidian shard]

The game wasn't even out in March 💀

[sleek surge]

Oh right

[obsidian shard]

Ragebait with facts please 🙏

[sleek surge]

Still a peak game though

I still play gow 2018

[obsidian shard]

[obsidian shard]

E30SWEEP

Have you played E30SWEEP

[sleek surge]

Nope

[frail bloom]

I am

Rn

[obsidian shard]

Pinions

[frail bloom]

Just started

[obsidian shard]

Title screen good?

[frail bloom]

Yup

I skipped the first cutscene cuz I already saw it

[frail bloom]

I'm soo doom brainrotted

I keep trying to parry before the attack even charges

[gusty seal]

#videos message DOOM: Dark Ages PC | MAX Sliders | The Forsaken Plains | Final Cyberdemon Leader Battle+

[frail bloom]

@young schooner how would you feel if thira once had a relationship with the slayer? How would you handle it in a way that fits the story? Without making certain people frustrated or mad? How would it have gone has doomguy, and what would you say to people who don't like thira at all and refuse to engage with her character

Forgive the specifics of it

Just gotta get your opinion on it

[young schooner]

The people who really really hate Thira give me weird vibes, and I don't wanna be That Guy but I call misogyny on it because they'll come up with any excuse under the sun as to why she's an awful character who doesn't belong in Doom but it's all shit I think they'd excuse if she were a man.

"Oh my God we have to save this fucking person we don't care about..."
(looks at Samuel Hayden in Doom Eternal)
"How fucking stupid and she just orders around the Slayer like she's his boss."
(looks at Samuel Hayden in Doom 2016, and the Intern in TAG)
"She's such a Mary Sue."
(looks at the literal fucking main protagonist of the series)

[frail bloom]

Welp I'm trying my best but y'know

Do you have like a detailed explanation, on how you would like to see it handled?

Or how her character isn't as bad as some say

Bc I kinda would like your input

[young schooner]

What I will say is I do not think there should be any plotline in the story where the Slayer is outright in a relationship with someone, because the Slayer, as a character, is meant to be tragic and not really capable of holding a human relationship like that.

But that's the Slayer. Doomguy is a different story.

[frail bloom]

Yes yes

Now, say someone is still on edge abt him as doomguy having a relationship

And saying that he shouldn't cuz he's a broken man or whatever

[young schooner]

I do personally like to think Doomguy was in a relationship with Thira. I think there's evidence to support that idea, and I think there's narrative value in it as well.

1. The evidence: Eternal's Codex explicitly says that King Novik pulled strings to make Doomguy a Night Sentinel because he impressed him, despite objections from other Night Sentinels. It would make sense if part of his decision were influenced by Thira having a word with him. The Slayer's demeanor towards Thira in TDA is also already a lot warmer than with others - she's one of the only characters in the series he actually on-screen nods to or acknowledges in the affirmative, and his body language in Temple of Lomarith points to a level of care for her. Thira is also the only Night Sentinel in the story to trust and care about the Slayer as a person throughout the entire narrative; everyone else is either scared, indifferent, or needs convincing. They have past history.

2. Why I like the idea: The classic Doom games are not the Slayer's backstory. They're a prologue to his story. That is to say, when the Testaments and shit are talking about how the Slayer has been wronged by Hell and he's out for vengeance, it's not because of the classic Doom games. That's a part of it, yes, and he was traumatized by that shit long ago. But it's the fall of Argent D'Nur, and the loss of the Night Sentinels, that serves as the primary motivator in the Slayer's backstory as a figure of vengeance. The games consistently frame Argent D'Nur's fall as the big, mysterious thing in the Slayer's past that makes him so fucking pissed.

[frail bloom]

Keep going

This is good

This is reasonable

Atleast to me

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-catsoftheinternet-cat-attitude-cattitude-gif-23553673

[clear oyster]

Does anyone have any artwork to show in the artwork channel it’s for a vote for my channel

Anyone?

[young schooner]

Now, what that goes into: I disagree with the idea Doomguy's just meant to be a broken man by this point. Because the vibe I always got is that he was getting better. I think he was healing from some of his trauma and learning to cope with it slightly better, because now he had comrades to fight with, and a community he was a part of. Something bigger than himself that he wasn't forced into like Mars. These people are his family. I think if there was any point where Doomguy was beginning to move on from the loss of his family and Daisy and all that shit, it was here, when he was fighting in the Unholy Wars alongside companions who weren't dropping like flies.

[frail bloom]

Bro I got the same garf plush

[young schooner]

And I think, put simply, Doomguy eventually being able to find a functional romantic relationship with someone, as part of what indicates him moving on, would make sense to me.

[clear oyster]

Yooooooo twinsies

[frail bloom]

Ye makes sense

[young schooner]

And it heightens the tragic nature of his transformation. The subtext with TDA is that the Slayer, to the rest of the Sentinels, is a soulless Maykr weapon wearing the face of their former comrade, and it's fucking ghoulish to them. Only Thira, who knew him intimately, can look into his eyes and see that the person she knew is still there. She trusts him and knows him, and we can tell by his own body language that she still means a great deal to him. But the Maykrs have stolen his humanity. The Tether has traumatized him in a way that can't be undone, and the Divinity Machine has set him on a path that he can't stray from.

I don't see it as a love story and I don't see Thira as his love interest. I see it as a tragedy, where Thira serves as the only person who has faith that there's still some of this man left inside the Slayer, and despite that it isn't enough to undo what has been taken from him. She's just a part of this world, the culture of Argent D'Nur, that the Slayer truly loves but feels he can no longer truly partake in.

[frail bloom]

Keep going you're cooking

Alr I'll take some photos

If you don't mind

[young schooner]

I don't care, that's fine.

Keep in mind I'm a crazy person, and I had these beliefs before Thira even existed as a character. I just headcanoned them as about Valen instead.

[river ermine]

I just have to say I have no idea who you are but I'm absolutely fascinated by everything you're posting and have posted in the past

[frail bloom]

Ikr right he's awesome

[young schooner]

Thanks! I appreciate that. If you are interested in more bullshit ramblings like this, #the-codex has my Doom lore guide pinned there.

[river ermine]

...300 pages

[young schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/luigis-mansion-sleep-gif-23758548

[river ermine]

Welp, that'll tide me by until I can afford TDA in 6 months' time

[young schooner]

Yeah, it's an absurd page count and the next revision will only get bigger.

[young schooner]

It's on sale on Steam.

[river ermine]

I got an email from Valve taunting me about the sale, but I'm currently 4 figures in debt and doing 65 hour weeks to pay it off thanks to some unexpectedly high vet bills so being able to buy it any time soon is a definite no-go

I'm still naively holding out for a demo or a trial to tide me by until I can grab it, but I have a feeling that's a pipe dream

[young schooner]

Probably so. Oh well. Hope you can pick it up eventually.

[frail bloom]

Ok m0no

Well it did not go through to the person I wanted to at all

Infact now they're angrier and said they might hang themselves

[young schooner]

They're taking Doom way too seriously.

If you hear me say that, then you know it's bad.

[frail bloom]

Er ok well now they're jealous of thira

Holy moly

[young schooner]

Well they probably shouldn't be. As far as we know, canonically she's gonna fucking die within a few years after TDA's events, given she is never mentioned in Eternal's Codex.

[frail bloom]

Well now they're worried they're gonna bang in the sequel

Someone save me God

[young schooner]

I dunno man. People are really weird about this character specifically for some reason. Probably because she's one of like three female characters in the whole story.

[young schooner]

1. They won't. 2) I have enough faith in the writers by now that I'm not gonna freak out over entirely hypothetical plot points that I have no real evidence will happen. And even if it did, there's no evidence to assume it'd be dogshit either.

I think they've proven they mostly understand the Slayer's character.

[frail bloom]

Welp

I don't know what to do

I wasted like an hour

[young schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBziS7lECXU
The story of TDA's DLC according to Doom fans:

[frail bloom]

And now tney're saying him having a family was a mistake

I'm starting to get the feeling

[crude sparrow]

This is samir asking on people's opinion about a plotpoint before they implement it into the lore

Because he works at id

I know it

[frail bloom]

[crude sparrow]

We're onto you

[young schooner]

It's an incredibly minor plot point, honestly.

Like it isn't important at all. Just like Daisy wasn't. It's a retroactive detail to go "oh so things were even more fucked up than we thought." But they are not relevant to the modern games at all beyond another bit of trauma to pile onto the poor guy.

[frail bloom]

Ok well

This person clearly has some issues

Frankly they're immature

My head hurts

[fleet spruce]

Do they by any chance say that 2016 is "the peak of Doom and was never replicated again". Extremely common pattern with these people.

[frail bloom]

Er

They do like 2016

They loved every doom game

And first doom movie which wasn't that bad

And doom 3 which I really like aswell

Currently playing Roe

[fleet spruce]

glad to know that pattern recognition algorithms are working

my only gripe with Thira is that her concept arts looked cooler than final design

[frail bloom]

Oh the white hair one was super cool

Terminator eye

[fleet spruce]

yeah, badass

[young schooner]

In regards to Thira as a character I think she's fine. She's not a favorite of mine and I wish her whole Wraith thing were explained more. But I don't dislike her. She's alright.

[tropic adder]

Thira could've been fine if she wasnt scrapped like that. She feels like a cardboard cutout that is only defined by her status, magic and of how good she is to the slayer. I would say "to us" but they failed to connect the slayer to the player due to how they approached story telling, which kinda fell behind the, let's call it, doom's legacy, which is, AT FIRST that slayer-player connection. immersion. call it whatever you like. I hate that i paid 80 dollars to play a game that revolves around the character that was introduced like that, spoon fed and forcefully so, making her 'important' in every event... even in that half a page codex text about serrat. because we wouldnt have serrat if holy thira didnt allow it. 🙌🏻 I wanted to play a doom game, yet it only felt like doom during Harbor of Souls. Obviously it was not because of the gameplay, but because of the way everything played out "personal" for me and how lonely it felt. Even more lonely than during cosmic realm levels, where we, technically, are very alone and confused as a player (and the slayer).

That being said, i also think that in all that... amalgamation of scrapped ideas, tda tried something, and pushed itself into trying too hard on being... too serious. i guess? which brings us back to the harbor of souls where we get like THE FIRST AND ONLY "slayer-thing" that he does and that is shooting the "Charon".

I might have more on this but rn it's what it is.

[young schooner]

I don't really think the game revolves around Thira at all. I'd say it revolves around the Slayer. Everything in the game to some degree has to do with the central tenet of the Slayer being an alien to his people and having to regain their trust.

[hard thistle]

Hey, who can I talk to about a really subtle but game ruining bug with TDA?

[tropic adder]

To add to this, no Thira is not one of the 3 female characters ever. Granted she is in the 'nudoom' games. There were female characters before her, in other games and other media. I wished that she wasn't a magical warrior princess that somehow turns "damsel in distress but not really" (regardless of what Jewel said in her video, I still think she's damsel in distress and, VERY ODDLY, defined by how good she is to the slayer, again. I would respected the character more if she was someone regular that braved her way through odds, because that is what doom was supposed to 'promote' if you will - BRAVING THROGH ODDS.

Also could add more and talk forever on this.

[young schooner]

I also, like, I dunno - I think the game was full of "Slayer moments."

• Hearing the screams of dying Sentinels as the thing that breaks him from the Tether's control.
• Hopping in that Atlan and saving Novik's ass from Ahzrak with the awesome one-liner.
• Staring at the Kreed long enough to make him think he's gonna live before shredding him in half.
• Finding the will to get back up and keep fighting after seeing Serrat die.
• Him staring at Ahzrak and brutally killing him in a scene that viscerally emanates the man's rage.
• Him throwing Ahzrak's head to the demons to send a personal message to them.
  These all feel like moments that absolutely feel like the Slayer.

If anything TDA feels like the game with the most Slayer moments. This game feels like it is the closest the modern games have gotten to embodying the Slayer's true character, instead of just having him aura farm and punch shit.

[green estuary]

The little glimmer of hope he gave Kreed before killing him was absolutely brutal lol

[frosty roost]

I'm agreeing with m0no in that statement, TDA felt like it was to do more with the Slayer than any other character in my personal opinion

[frosty roost]

it was so brutal but my god i loved it

[young schooner]

Yeah like - I'm not gonna pretend Doom 2016 isn't great, and I'm not gonna pretend its style and tone weren't instrumental to Doom's modern success. It's fun. But I far prefer TDA's style of storytelling. The whole "lol the protagonist doesn't care about the plot, why should you?" thing is fun for a bit but I like that the series is taking itself more seriously and engaging with its characters more.

[frosty roost]

AGREEEED, thank you!!

[young schooner]

My favorite cutscene in the franchise is Serrat's death. It is a fantastic scene that tickled the part of my brain that is so fixated on Doom's story, and you can't really have moments like that in a story like Doom 2016. TDA gave us a lot more to chew on with the Slayer's character.

[frosty roost]

plus it like introduces on more of the Slayer's rage towards the demons in TDA which is what i love, and the fact that it explains it better too

[young schooner]

This is also why I preferred Eternal's story over 2016's. 2016 is way better told and a more coherent story, but Eternal adds a lot to the setting and narrative to let you think about and analyze. Doom 2016's protagonist is kind of just a deconstruction of the typical boomer shooter hero. Eternal, IMO, is what made him a true character by giving him more scenes with actual personality traits, and also by tying him into the original Doomguy.

[tropic adder]

I somewhat disagree.
Hearing screams was indeed a Slayer moment, but at that point I didn't feel like the Slayer, but like I'm eating popcorn in the last row of a movie theatre. We already know he reacts on 'innocent lives lost' the way he reacts. It was established. Good to be reminded, tho.
That awesome one-liner, now, felt like a lost opportunity. I HATED IT cuz it made no point other than make it sound like a "run meme". The "No" at the end of TAG2 had a punch. It was a statement. a final word by someone who doesnt speak, and WHAT A WORD. and to whom. at what moment? "Run" is just... meh. Not to mention than by warning Novik (that was supposed to be a point) he allowed Ahzark to escape because he alerted him too. Which is fine, its an innocent life, slayer doesnt take innocent lives.
Staring at creed was cool. Ngl. We knew what the answer was. But it was a movie-like-suspense as if we would even think he would even consider it lol.
Killing Ahzrak is cool. Not gonna talk about that more. Same as head.

But it still didn't feel like it was 'most slayer' or sould i say 'most doom'. YES OF COURSE the slayer is in the middle of things. because he carries the game. because the world built around him would crumble without him both ingame and irl... nobody cares about the doom game without doomguy, regarldess of some fans would say.

[young schooner]

Eternal's such a messy plot but it has everything that made me love this franchise's universe. The Maykrs, the Sentinels, the retroactive tying-together the whole story, the increased focus on fantasy shit. Very cool.

[green estuary]

2016 did a good job by making every (albeit limited) cutscene be in first person
Although in eternal I did get the feeling like the slayer was more a participant in the plot events rather than being the focus

[frosty roost]

anyway I'm gonna hop off to bed because I'm tired as shit

goodnight y'all!

[young schooner]

Goodnight.

[frail bloom]

Gn

[green estuary]

Gn m8

[young schooner]

"Run" felt off to me at first but I like it more after a replay. That line is meant to be the climax of the first act of TDA. It's not meant to be a meme or whatever and it's not just for cheap style points, this is the Slayer communicating something important to Novik that he hasn't been able to yet- that it's him, Doomguy, saving him. Not the Maykrs. He is not acting as a tool of the Maykrs anymore. He is acting of his own free will, and despite Novik selling him out, the Slayer is choosing to do the right thing and defend his king.

You're iffy on Thira's connection with the Slayer, but I would argue Novik is more important to him than Thira is. Novik is his king. The Slayer entirely and undoubtedly respects him, to the point he kneels to a mere apparition of him in Eternal. The motherfucker doesn't give Hayden a passing glance, but he kneels to this man. When he's in silent suffering inside that casket, and he awakes in 2016, it's Novik's words he remembers to reinvigorate him. And in TDA, when he awakens in Hell, it's Novik's words that give him the strength to get back up.
Novik is a true warrior. He's a respectable man who fights and dies with the men he commands. That's important shit to Doomguy, and even though Novik sold him off to the Maykrs it wasn't enough to take away that respect.

I don't know if you've seen Lord of the Rings but Novik's character heavily reminds me of that series, and how Aragorn's status as king is treated.

"I would have followed you, my brother. My captain. My king."
I wouldn't be surprised if LOTR were an inspiration for this dynamic and how they depict the Slayer's reverence of Novik. It reminds me a lot of that.

[frail bloom]

I do love lotr

I wanna watch it again

[tropic adder]

nobody said that protagonist doesnt care about the plot and that we shouldn't either? what is that even? i do hang out on reddit much, so i understand where that is coming from, but no, this is not what i was talking about. it's much more deeper than that. in doom's long legacy, slayer and player are one. they should be one and go through shit together. and at the same time, slayer has these small bits of characterization, enough to intrigue us, enough to tell us about him, but scarace enough to keep him a mystery. this is a thin and yet fine line id team has to walk and so far, they walked it perfectly. this is the way you keep a mystery. you build a myth... and since that myth is already built, it evolves. if this wasn't the thing, we wouldn't have these discussions. we would just devour the 'lore' from the game like we'd do with mass effect (which is awesome btw in its own right) and move on with our lives. the inspiration wouldnt last for too long, is what im saying.

The way TDA story is executed, tho... dunno if its about the 'story' itslef or the cinematics, but I really felt like im playing just some random cool game with doom skins. And im not saying i want an awesome story. I think exposition story works fine with doom because its that type of game, and i think tda is pretty solid on that... but it felt odd. And, again, i didnt preorder my game to feel odd playing doom. so what went wrong?

[tropic adder]

okay from that pov it does have weight, but i still think youre thinking too much into it. it just feels out of place to me. granted there wouldnt be a way for slayer to alert novik but it couldve been winged differently

[young schooner]

Okay, so I will respond to that first thing but I want to say that with narrative analysis I just don't believe in "looking too much into it." That's one thing for, like, lore theories or trying to explain the biological function of an Imp's pinky finger or some shit. But when it comes to narrative analysis you cannot go too far - the depths you will go only show how much the story has pulled you in. And I think Doom invites the people who really care about its narrative to inspect shit like that.

[tropic adder]

This i wont argue because I agree. However I will add that noviks apparation kind of, whats the word, puts him down for wanting to save Earth, another version of the planet he came from.
"Its not yours to take", "They are your people no longer" (its when he just does what he does) " you are but one man" and blah blah I forgot what comes after, but it kinda made me raise an eyebrow at Novik because - dont we as the player want to save Earth?

[young schooner]

Part of this with Novik is to show how hopeless things are on Argent D'Nur. When Novik says that - "they are no longer your people to save" - the Slayer looks back incredulously, and I think most interpret it as anger. But I see it as shock, hearing someone he respects that much preach such cowardice. But, of course, 1) the apparition isn't truly Novik but either a holographic copy, or a ghost, and 2) Novik was overthrown by the Deag and watched as the men he fought with died. He watched the Sentinel empire fall. The dude wouldn't have any hope left. When you see how fucking badass and stalwart he is in TDA, you can contrast it with Eternal and see just how bad shit got.

[tropic adder]

My dude, ofc i care about the narrative. I wouldnt want my childhood game and hero to turn into a slop story. That's why Im so pissy about TDA. I dont hate-hate it... But it's just... not. It seems like its rolling downhill, weather because of the 'immersion lost' or the story or world building or just the way it was told... If it doesnt click like doom i am going to say it. And it doesn't.

[tropic adder]

didnt interpret it as anger on slayers part either. but it was on mine. cuz how dare you spirit man! ✊🏻

[frail bloom]

Lol

Stick it to the man

[young schooner]

I'm not saying you said this. I'm saying Doom 2016 says this. 2016 presents its plot with the blatant and overt theme that the Slayer gives zero fucks about explanations for what is going on, and is focused solely on killing whoever's responsible and stopping it from happening again. That's fine, but this results in a few problems that hold back 2016's plot in comparison to the other games:

• Olivia Pierce is an intensely interesting character who does not get nearly the focus she deserves. As a tragic villain whose physical disability and chronic pain was exploited by Hell to twist her into their acolyte, that is a fucking awesome idea and I love what it sets up, but 2016 simply isn't willing to step outside the Slayer's POV long enough to show that perspective beyond the Codex.
• I would argue the same of the Aranea Imperatrix, who has a very cool concept going on with how she's supposed to work, but ultimately gets very little presence in the game itself, and what presence you could argue is there is retroactively explained to be Davoth instead.
• 2016 never even leaned into the Slayer being Doomguy. It was so vague on the subject that for years many people in the fandom thought he was the Betrayer. Ultimately it was Eternal to actually confirm this. 2016 wasn't willing to actually firmly step into an explanation because the Slayer himself was written very late into production, and the campaign already seemed to not have much faith from executives given much of it is shamelessly pulling from Doom 3.

[tropic adder]

Who says 2016 never leaned into slayer being doomguy? it was like... right on the nose. o.O
But I agree that 2016 didnt plan the whole thing that goes on in Eternal and TDA.

[young schooner]

It maybe implies it a bit, but nothing concrete is stated. There was just as much evidence to suggest he was the Betrayer. If you only take 2016 into account, then there were a lot of problems with the theory that Eternal ended up addressing.

[tropic adder]

I, ALSO, very much liked the epic about the 5 sentinel warriors that followed the slayer to hell and died, so their ghosts appear to him. Kinda reminds me of 40k's Grand Master Vorth Mordrak.

WHICH, can bring us to ANOTHER reason i am really not fond of getting thira shoved down my throat, because I was expecting this to build up throught the campaign. I was hoping to see these guys that are mentioned in eternal codex, but, i didnt expect the story to feel like... a filler to... interaction, if you catch my meaning.

[young schooner]

For me 2016 feels like... like the most vanilla Doom game. Sometimes to a fault. It sometimes feels like it is so vanilla Doom that I get a bit bored 2/3rds in because by that point I've seen what the game has to offer. Most of its plot is pulling directly from Doom 3 (and not always improving it... see Betruger, the UAC's intricate backstory, Hell), so the most unique part is the Slayer himself. And he's awesome, obviously, but everything I love about the Slayer is stuff Eternal and TDA were more overt in presenting, other than VEGA being backed up and 2016's iconic intro.

Which, for the record, I will happily criticize 2016's story forever, and I think it's very overrated. But the intro remains the best intro I've seen in an FPS ever.

[tropic adder]

There's nothing to be criticized about the story of 2016. its there to do things and make you press forward, and as such its perfect, but its not the best thing ever. For the best thing ever, we should play something else, I think? Like Spec Ops: The Line had an amazing story lol. Mass Effect. Silent Hill. What else?

But yes, the intro was the best by far, with TDA coming at the last place because, for me, it was TOO LONG.

[frail bloom]

But the cool lazar

Doomguy nuke go boom

[tropic adder]

ph no that part is amazing. if it was from THAT part it would've been great.
But the way it goes on and on and on...

[frail bloom]

Lazaaarr

[tropic adder]

... and on.

[red peak]

Its not that long tho

[tropic adder]

and oooon and on.

[frail bloom]

Me when the lazar

(Alr I'll stop)

[young schooner]

its there to do things and make you press forward,
That's kind of my issue. When it comes to Doom, IMO we can leave that mindset back in the 90s where it belongs. I value narrative in my games, and I don't expect the best thing ever (I'm a Doom megafan, but the whole franchise's story combined makes up maybe, like, a third of the quality of a story like Silent Hill 2) but what I do expect is a story where you can tell the authors are confident in their vision, care about their universe, and want to do it justice.
2016 does not give me this vibe, which is fine, they were still ironing things out. It feels much more safe, like they needed to prove Doom still has a place in the modern age.
But Eternal and TDA do. They are very concerned with fleshing out the Doom universe, and the Slayer, and his story as a whole.

I don't need an entire history book and, like, turning Doom into The Last of Us or Metal Gear Solid or some shit. The gameplay is objectively still the most important thing.

[red peak]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-slayer-doom-slayer-arrives-hello-chat-gif-14751136608021443703

[young schooner]

But I do value and look for a reason for the gameplay to mean something.

The gameplay should be elevated by the story, and vice versa. IMO TDA has a lot of great moments with that, mainly Enhanced Ahzrak, which is the best fucking boss in an FPS game fucking ever, and how it's such a difficulty spike correlating with how bad things have gotten in the story.

[red peak]

Lazarrr

[fleet spruce]

Enhanced Ahzrak is so cool, i died many times because of my greed , trying to break the spikes to get hp and armor

[hazy pasture]

It's a cinematic masterpiece in every way possible

[red peak]

I really like how it got way easier when Doomguy got pissed at him

[green estuary]

It’s less than 5 minutes lol

[red peak]

Fr lmao

[green estuary]

Plus it’s entirely skippable

Wolf 2’s intro cutscene was about 100x more egregious

[red peak]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-doomguy-doom-this-pointing-up-gif-15964499

[green estuary]

For a campaign that likely will take you 15 hours on a first playthrough, I don’t think 5 minutes is a ridiculous ask for an intro

[young schooner]

I watched my brother play TDA and that's how it went for him. He struggled the first two phases, died probably 15 times. Then Serrat dies, and he sits up in the "oh shit now I need to lock in" position and he beats the third phase first try.

This is an example of incredible melding of gameplay and narrative. It's the true final boss of TDA, and in that regard it outclasses every other boss in the series by a mile. It's absolutely fantastic and probably the high point of the whole series for me.

[red peak]

Lmao

[hazy pasture]

The neat stuff is that before Serrat's death and Doomguy got angrier and all which led to the 3rd phase, Doomguy was adapting to the offense of Azhrak as we can pick up from the Glory Strike anims from phase 1 to phase 2

[green estuary]

The fact that the third phase has the slayer’s theme song instead of ahzrak’s is just the icing on the cake

[hazy pasture]

I agree

[mystic barn]

Defeating Ahzrak solely using your fists is very cathartic

[hazy pasture]

It's like Doomguy was eventually gonna beat Azhrak but Serrat's death made it even worse

[young schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-ascending-homer-simpson-meme-gif-22971083

I do personally believe the Slayer would have died if Serrat hadn't.

[tropic adder]

Diagree. As a doom 'megafan' as well for a lot of years, I wouldn't want an interactive novel out of my game. The story is fine as it is. just needs more work in execution, yes, but it shouldn't be elaborate because, again, that would kill the 'mystique' if you will. the myth that kept the franchise alive for like 32 years and... we wouldnt have these conversations! I dont go into fast-paced shooters and ask for Dostoevsky. Why would you? Or do we, like, pick a survival horror and replace survival with action (yes, im looking at you, resident evils). Do we add a shotgun into Outlast Trials? Do we play games cuz of prestige or because we love them?

And im not yapping here because I hate doom or you or whomever. I just want DOOM to expand enough, and still preserve it's relevance and connection to everyone. Because, at the end of the day, the more ppl buy - the better for the studio and the title.

[tropic adder]

Yeah what you wrote here. I missed this line. But also I think that doom univesre is... well a product of 30 years of doom. xD
I dont think it will bode well on its own. like i said. doom universe is doomguy.

[hazy pasture]

I think I should rephrase what I said. What I meant is that we can pick up how Slayer was adapting to Azhrak's moveset from the GS animations in phase 1 and phase 2. Yes if Serrat hadn't come to save him, Azhrak would've killed him but it's still great to see that Slayer was learning Azhrak's fighting style and all

[frail bloom]

I'm eating orange slices

[young schooner]

There's a middle ground between "we don't care about the story" and Dostoevsky. If I were asking that from Doom, it would be a lot more intellectual than TDA. I don't need shit like that from Doom. Like I said, I just want the feeling that it's in a universe the writers care about, want to expand on, and want to tell stories worth giving a shit about in.

To make a comparison, I think a good series I'd point to is Resident Evil. RE isn't exactly known for its narrative excellence, plenty of the stories are full of weird contrivances or shitty voice acting or stupid lines. But with every game you can tell they care about Resident Evil's universe, and when they add onto RE's narrative it's often to reward fans who have stuck with the series for so long by giving them more of RE's setting to chew on. Resident Evil may not be a masterclass in storytelling, but it's a series that cares about its own story and knows fans do, too.

[fleet spruce]

so apparently Doom can't have a story? Even Carmack retreated his statement years later

does Doom 3 count as a novel

[frail bloom]

Doom 3 does have those pdas

Very interactive

[hazy pasture]

Yes

[frail bloom]

What's better oranges or mandarins

[fleet spruce]

Apples obviously

[tropic adder]

Oh screw you vega.
No, doom 3 is not a novel. Doom 3 has a right amount of things. All 3 new games do. What Im saying here is that THIS is OKAY from my pov, but it shouldn't like, go overboard like I see ppl asking for in this ... 'fan' community.

[frail bloom]

My man

[young schooner]

I have more thoughts but need to run a quick errand.

[tropic adder]

When I mentioned RE i wasnt talking about story telling, but about how survival disappeared. They tried to revive it in RE7, but after that it remained... well, re. And not it is like it is. I like it, but it's a changed genre.

[young schooner]

I moreso mentioned RE be cause of the shared similarity of it having a lot of games and a pretty intricate universe despite the individual stories not being all that special.

The narrative meat of RE isn't in the individual games, but the wider universe and cast of characters.

[tropic adder]

I have questions now. Where did you get these connections from? Or is this your headcanon? Because I do not see it like that. From the start she seems like she feels pity. Everyone probably treated him as a weapon and an animal. Hell, we even know he was arrested and fought the arenas, to death. Why in the world would king allow his only daughter to approach such a "thing"... And isnt that like, a Spartacus kind of a trope already. Doesn't even help her character buildup either, it DEFINES HER, again, in relation to the slayer, which is... what? That's what powerful female characters are for? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[young schooner]

Part of this is going off of me explaining my beliefs as to their backstory, so some of that message is theory/opinion.

You can interpret how they treat each other many ways, but I mainly have always interpreted Thira's treatment of the Slayer to be someone who is choosing to treat him like a person when no one else will, extending compassion to him simply by trying to engage with him and treat him like a warrior instead of a death robot like everyone else. As far as my own beliefs go I do think that stems from her having an intimate connection to him when he was a normal human and was capable of something like that.

[tropic adder]

Wasnt that Valen's role in Eternal codex? Somehow I feel like we replaced bromance with the a trope. That honestly doesnt belong in doom.

[young schooner]

In regards to the king/daughter thing, I don't really think Novik decides anything for Thira beyond military-wise as her king and her as a commander of his. She seems pretty independent.

Also by virtue of being a Night Sentinel she should be strong and skillful enough to hold her own in a fight against some random Outlander in the colliseum. If she couldn't, she wouldn't be fit to be heir to the throne, much less a Sentinel warrior.

[young schooner]

Valen is shown in the Codex to have trained Doomguy when he became a Night Sentinel, and fought alongside him. Beyond that, we don't get much about their relationship beyond the cutscenes indicating they are familiar with each other and have a shared history.

I also just do not see why a romantic relationship existing as a barely-implied element of two characters' backstories does not belong in Doom. That doesn't really have anything in conflict with any of Doom's central themes and cornerstones. I would argue the games have already introduced things more antithetical to Doom's identity than that.

[tropic adder]

This whole thing feels like an intrusion. But okay, i guess. I wholeheartedly disagree with history of a relationship, or, whatever. I dont think a human who goes through that shit he went through would be able to fight till death (and somehow survive every time), get thrown out in the front lines, and survive, only to be put in a divinity machine and made a tool. everything that happened to him, prior, is a layer on the tragedy, and witnessing all that, surviving events of d64 and wondering hellscape to the point tht he's speaking gibberish when found by the sentinels... I dont think there's anything THERE for him to form with her. Maybe respect. But other than that, nah.

[tropic adder]

it can exist. only not like this. its not relatable to the player.

the family photo is hated by many fans. i like it, cuz it gives me a dramatic imput, but its different from thira because we never get to meet his wife and kid. they are just that. a photo. nothing else.

so we can still relate.

[young schooner]

I think making everything about the Slayer relatable to the player is a mistake and results in bland, boring protagonists. I don't need the Slayer to fully embody my life. If he did, he wouldn't be able to move that fast for more than half a minute hahaha. But I'm not in this to look at the Slayer and go "that's just like me!" I'm in this to appreciate fictional characters as their own characters.

[tropic adder]

and i would also hate the '2nd chances' arc because it kinda makes the whole thing... less. 🤌🏻

[tropic adder]

I can say Im like the slayer and still be myself. xD
Its the 'thin line" i mentioned before. give just enough to intrigue and keep the rest a mystery.

For instane. I LOVE that family photo. Because I relate to family values. I would go on a vengeful spree if my family was devoured by demons (and probably die in my first attempt but thats not the point). But I know its not relatable to everyone, so, I would rather that it is left out, along with all other possible 'drama'. Keep it clean.

But if im to choose bethween family photo and 2nd chances, I'd pick the photo anytime.

I dunno if I make sense. Its 6 am.

[fleet spruce]

Halo fans when Master Chief is now able to sprint so they no longer can relate to him

[young schooner]

LOL

My thing also is I don't need them to not add things because players may not relate to the character. You should be able to relate to a character in spite of differences.

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-fans-loads-shotgun-gif-23778902

[frail bloom]

Me fr

[tropic adder]

I mean okay. I guess we'll see what happens and how it plays out. Maybe I reconsider buying the next game. Maybe I preorder it deluxe again. We'll see. All in all is that... I dunno family ftw?

[frail bloom]

Ok I'm not that weak

I can reload a shotgun

Watch me

https://tenor.com/view/hunting-shot-gun-fire-carrot-bugs-bunny-gif-5980544

[fleet spruce]

I'm just making fun of the whole "relatable character" thing because characters don't have to be relatable to be enjoyable as characters lmao

[young schooner]

I'm not a Marine, I don't have a wife and child. I'm not a mega badass sci-fi fantasy warrior. But I can find the Slayer's struggle to move on from traumatic bullshit relatable. I can also relate to the idea of feeling alienated from people you love and struggling to regain their acceptance.

Other things, like finding the will to keep moving after the loss of a loved one, or the melancholy feeling of mourning a place that was once dear to you, IMO are universal struggles that anyone could relate to.

[tropic adder]

I dont see "moving on" as a thing for Doomguy or the Slayer. Its HEALTHY but its lame. Lol. For the game I mean.

[frail bloom]

Slayer is just a buffet of tragedy, that's how I look at it

Pick and choose your trauma

He's went through it all

[young schooner]

I think part of the beauty in stories like this is likening such heightened fictional scenarios to real life. The Slayer can be likened to real life as a revolutionary; a rebel who sees injustice and weaponizes the rage he feels because of it. In real life you can see that in events like Stonewall, or the riots following Martin Luther King's assassination.

Maybe a bit unhinged to compare Doom to these serious IRL things. But you see my point. I enjoy stories where you can look past the game-y exaggerated shit and find a very human struggle that a normal person can understand.

[fleet spruce]

Pretty much, we also have a very unhealthy problem of people taking Daisy meme too seriously and making it the central point of Slayer's rampage, it's hilarious.

[tropic adder]

that was my point. universal stuggles and standing against the odds and pushing through.

And i understand why you talk about "moving on", its the same reason why im talking against it. Because FOR YOU moving on might be relatable, but for me death of a spouse and child is the end of the line. Like Berthal's punisher. There's nothing left.

But then again I'm like this and you're like that.

[frail bloom]

But muh bunyy it went squeek

[young schooner]

I don't really think he can move on. I mainly mean the struggle to move on. The story where the Slayer cannot really move on, but must find the small victories that still make moving forward worth it.

But even then I wouldn't say I like the idea of Doomguy healing from his trauma a bit pre-Slayer because it's relatable. I like it because it's really interesting and makes the tragedy a lot more tragic. And deepens his connection to the other Sentinels.

[tropic adder]

I dunno man, I lived through bombing like it was a joyride, simply because I played Doom. So... i use this "message" that is doom as a shit to cope. When shit hits the fan - doomguy wouldnt mind the smell. If you catch my drift.

[frail bloom]

I would

Also if I'm catching your drift, was it your poop

Genuine question

[tropic adder]

Honestly I dont think he would even try, but let Hugo decide if he wants my money what he thinks about it.

[tropic adder]

NO SAMIR it was a metaphor.

[obsidian shard]

Hugo BOOFIN?

from id Softspot?

[frail bloom]

[frail bloom]

In todays bideo, we're gonna look at the conthept art

From the uhhhhhh conthept art team

I weaaly. Weaaly, like thie conthept art from emerson tung tung tung tung sahur

[obsidian shard]

ngl i need a shitpost series of these

[tropic adder]

Im gonna be a hypocrite because I said I would never speak this in a community. BUT...
In some pre-christian cultures, hares are considere messingers of the dead.

Now let that sink in?

[frail bloom]

Someone revive Oronoto's channel

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-gif-11785532389901559578

[fleet spruce]

You're probably looking too deep into it

[young schooner]

I have always seen Daisy as more a representation of Hell's influence than something that genuinely horribly bothers Doomguy. Losing a pet is horrible and I'm sure it really fucked with him, but on the list of things that fucked with Doomguy's head in this series Daisy is quite literally at the bottom.

[tropic adder]

We all are looking 'deep' into it. The rabbit was there for 'lols' originally. With expansion of the story it's not anymore.

[final dune]

hey weird question but does anyone know where i can download the HDRI textures for the skyboxes in the Cosmic Realm?

[young schooner]

Daisy is effective as a representation of innocence defiled by Hell. The actual rabbit herself does not matter.

[tropic adder]

which connects to "messinger of the underworld' because the innocence is dead. his life wife and kid lost. the hare is the message, and it's not really there blahblahblah.

[warm ibex]

she sure as hell matters to the people that think doomguy is driven exclusively by the death of a bunny and nothing more

[obsidian shard]

What family

the Dead one?

[young schooner]

In my classic Codex project I tried to write it as horrifying Doomguy because he gave Daisy to his son before he left for Mars, and his son said he wouldn't ever let anyone take Daisy from him.

So, you know, he sees Daisy dead, and his hometown on fire, and knows... yeah.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1435655889825697883/1451800998954799338/6_-_Daisy.png?ex=69477e8b&is=69462d0b&hm=1397f58587f0d381223c05deb2bb6a66b4b4691a2bb2d7a9dc933b6b83962333&
Posting it because fuck you I like this one. I'm bored. Whatever. Yeah

[young schooner]

It is just really cartoonish and not in the badass way I think.

[fleet spruce]

willing to bet that atleast half of the people who think that way are the tourists who never touched a Doom game before

[tropic adder]

Is this a headcanon too? Ah you said in MY classic codex. Well it is then.

Dont get me wrong i like this idea. I also like the headcanon that he collects toys cuz they remind him of his son.

[young schooner]

Yes, this is a fan project where I wrote mockups for if the original Doom had a Codex like the modern games.

I posted the full thing on Tumblr. I will find it real quick.

[tropic adder]

But this is back to what I was saying - MYSTERY = HEADCANONS AND DISCUSSIONS

No need I know you're on tumblr. I have many eyes.

[frail bloom]

There's a little kreed with cymbals dancing jollily in my head

Happy holidays

[young schooner]

Hell yeah.
(I'll post it anyway.)
https://www.tumblr.com/m0nology/802465502614175744/what-if-doom-1993-had-codex-files-full?source=share

THIS ISN'T A PUNISHMENT.

What if DOOM (1993) had Codex files? (FULL)

I made a post a while ago showing some mockups for if DOOM (1993) had an in-game Codex. Well, I finished the project entirely. It's 40 files total, and here they are, combined into big pictures for your leisure.

The general idea here is adding backstory and text to the original DOOM that fits its tone while also tying it into the modern games.

Transcripts and notes under the cut....

Tumblr · Dec 9, 2025, 2:32 PM

[frail bloom]

Yo sneaky I had an idea

[obsidian shard]

Could the be called.. a Monologue

[frail bloom]

What if I animated funny memes

[young schooner]

Whenever I see someone dickride Doom 2016 as the only good modern Doom game and they ruined everything afterward I activate my Professor X-or-whatever psychic powers to invade their mind and see into their past to confirm they never played any of the classics.

[frail bloom]

You give me ideas

And I animate

[young schooner]

Similar notion: Doom 3 haters having actually finished Doom 3

[tropic adder]

Maybe the wanna know what they hate? I mean I finished TDA couple of times. I dont really hate it, buuuut I can live without it.

[fleet spruce]

by the time i finished all of Doom 3 i actually wanted more

[frail bloom]

I'm loving RoE

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-ben-kenobi-of-course-i-know-them-theyre-me-gif-25185969

[frail bloom]

The heart is cool

Slowing down time

[frail bloom]

Simmer down old man

[obsidian shard]

Genius

[tropic adder]

I like that opening scene when the dude just comes and touches the artefact and everything but him burns. I like to call him "Stan" for some reason. Thatsa a stan thing to do.

[frail bloom]

Ikr

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/professor-x-charles-xavier-marvel-xmen-gif-2558203057207538238

[green estuary]

[young schooner]

I actually just finished replaying it all. I've played 3 and ROE many times but just finished Lost Mission for the first time.

Love Doom 3 and love its style. I use some mods for it to lean a bit more into the survival horror, but I still love it. In some ways I prefer 3 over 2016. But yeah.

[frail bloom]

Haha you're old

[fleet spruce]

You don't even need to do that because so many patterns they all follow, i learned to recognize those people at a glance

[green estuary]

high schooler

[obsidian shard]

Oh damn Howdy Katsu!

[frail bloom]

Ah so what

Atleast my kneecaps work

[frail bloom]

Sneaky if you ever have any ideas hit me up

[green estuary]

wassup man

[tropic adder]

Anywya... Imma go. I wish we werent curious earlier and didnt pick on these headcanons. I wouldn't have stayed up till 6am. I wish you a good night and... may we never speak again, for all our sakes. ^^

[obsidian shard]

will do goat

[green estuary]

bro I'm 21

[frail bloom]

Ok gn

[green estuary]

I'm not a certified unc yet

[frail bloom]

GoooooDAAAMN

[fleet spruce]

Doom 3 was so good they had to make it again in 2016

[frail bloom]

You're nearing the end

[young schooner]

Literally. And I'm sorry but 2016 didn't have that glorious Betruger VA or Bruisers.

[frail bloom]

Was betrugers model improved in RoE I felt like it was

His face looked higher poly

[young schooner]

Bruisers are GOATed as fuck by the way. They desperately need to bring Bruisers back in modern Doom.

[frail bloom]

Bruisers are like mini cyberdemons

[young schooner]

By far my favorite Doom 3 enemy and unfortunately underused.

[frail bloom]

I want tiny cyberdemons

[fleet spruce]

My dumbass didn't use artifact on them so i pushed through them with plasma gun lmao

[frail bloom]

Bruh

That's impressive

Those fireballs are fast

[fleet spruce]

yeah , and plasma deflects them

as i found out

Betruger was a pushover tho

[young schooner]

I don't like the Artifact gameplay-wise. It makes everything way too trivial.

I really like the Doom 3 Rebalance mod - one of its best changes is making the Artifact only active for six seconds every use instead of 15. Makes it way more balanced and makes you have to think about when you use it a lot more.

[fleet spruce]

Soul Cube was powerful but you also needed to kill first before you can disintegrate a single demon of choice and get health back. Heart of Hell was absolutely overpowered

i believe Siphon Grenades fulfil similar purpose in 2016

[young schooner]

Soul Cube is fine and a fun mechanic. Felt like a cool weapon that makes you feel more powerful without invalidating the game's balance.

The Artifact, yeah, no. And it sucks because Bruisers fucking rock but they all show up after you have all the OP Artifact upgrades. So you can just cheese them all with it.

I want to explore more Doom 3 gameplay mods. But Perfected Doom 3 looks dumb.

[fleet spruce]

can we have a soul cube as super weapon in dark ages sequel

[young schooner]

Would go hard. I want it in a TDA prequel.

id. Make my Doom 3 Martian Hero Doomguy theory canon and make it a prequel. And I will give you whatever you want.

[fleet spruce]

a man can dream...

[fleet spruce]

Oh yeah I played on gamepad too at that since I was marathoning Doom games back in 2021

[bronze ocean]

guys, i need to choose, doom the dark ages + doom eternal with year one pass, OOOR, doom the dark ages premium. I already have passed eternal with dlc's, i have an friend's account with it and dlc's, but i want to have it in my account, but considering that doom tda will have a dlc, i would like to have it alr, what should i do?

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-luna-eat-gif-3997701764820700221

maybe it's better doom tda premium, also that i don't expend that much

[harsh egret]

tda dlc is likely not out for another few months, so depends whats more important to u, having eternal and its dlcs or having the dark ages dlc bought already now

[bronze ocean]

Yeah, but i have been thinked, i will get another amount of money for like 3-4 of january, maybe i can buy eternal+pass

or another thing, that my mom have been saving another amount of money, maybe i use it for doom eternal

[harsh egret]

well you're in luck cuz the steam sale ends on the 5th!

[bronze ocean]

yeah, that's why, i wanna buy it with that offer, am not spending on the original price 🥀

[harsh egret]

yeah i can understand it being a lot especially with regional pricing and allat, here its god damn 86 bucks

tda base game i mean

[bronze ocean]

am from mx, that are like 1700 mxn

[harsh egret]

94 usd wtf

[bronze ocean]

the eternal pass it's that, tda cost 1400mxn

[harsh egret]

ahhh right

[harsh egret]

just checked some of my notes from a while ago and almost 3 months ago they mentioned that they will add the ability to swim faster, i wonder if thats still coming or if they scrapped that

[fleet spruce]

using shield to propel yourself in the water

[harsh egret]

could be a cool mechanic actually lol

[crude sparrow]

The sawblades working as a turbine to propel you forward kinda like the seaglide in Subnautica 💀

[fleet spruce]

yep, something along those lines

It's a great use of already available tool

[crude sparrow]

chat, any idea why my screen goes brighter when I set the game's refresh rate to anywhere between 90-120?

like the gamma goes up or something

doesnt do it on 60 or 144 tho

[river ermine]

VRR?

[slender night]

Rayman 3 vibes

[crude sparrow]

could be, but why does that impact the brightness and such

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-hello-chat-here's-johnny-doom-slayer-doom-marine-gif-6132403173794421933

[frail bloom]

Let's remind them of that when they return

They prob just forgot

[harsh egret]

they didnt forget about it when its something they mention that is coming

it wasnt suggested by chat

[frail bloom]

Oh ok

And you said 3 months ago??

[harsh egret]

but like they said, they are slowing down on the updates because they are working on the dlc so its understandable

[harsh egret]

yh on the 5th of september that was

[frail bloom]

Hrmm

Well

Hopefully the option comes out in january or smt

When they're back

[harsh egret]

i think they are saving most big things for ng+ or dlc

[frail bloom]

Well I just assume sprint speed for water is just a qol change

Because it's slow

[harsh egret]

iirc they did that last time no? saved up more things for one bigger update, i think that was update 2

[harsh egret]

yh but its more than that they are planning to add

[frail bloom]

Yh they don't like mini updates ig

Well it's their game

[harsh egret]

they dont have to update that often, its a singleplayer game

and the frequency of major updates has been good imo

[frail bloom]

I don't really need a major update rn

But some small things can be ironed out

[harsh egret]

i wouldnt even mind if we dont get anything until dlc assuming its out sometime in the next 3-4 ish months or smth

[merry sapphire]

hope ng+ is just the master campaign

[harsh egret]

thats exactly what it would be, yes

[merry sapphire]

which would be a rework of every single level in the game with late stage enemies coming in the first levels

[merry sapphire]

Sick. is it 100% confirmed?

[frail bloom]

I think this is a controversial thing, but I would like a little more then just different enemies in the earlier levels

Like maybe they do a bit more this time

[harsh egret]

idk u can go look at the clip i put on twitter and see how u interpret it
imo, yes, some people like cough Horde don't think its a confirmation

[frail bloom]

Horde is the news guy he's gotta give reliable news

[harsh egret]

guess im the unreliable news guy

[frail bloom]

Precisely

[merry sapphire]

how is that controversial

[frail bloom]

Because it requires them to do more

Like maybe add new enemy variants or weapon upgrades

But now it'd take much longer

[harsh egret]

"i want more than just remixed encounters, cancel me, idc 😏 "

[frail bloom]

Breaking ground with this one hato

[merry sapphire]

if they are gonna do that its probably gonna incoporate dlc upgrades/enemies

which they did do with horde mode for eternal

[frail bloom]

Well then I would like ng+ after dlc

I wanna experience them in the dlc itself

[merry sapphire]

so it isnt that far fetched, but exclusive enemies/upgrades for a master campaign doesnt sound feasible for them, though it would be dope as hell

looking through the Hato™ Official Doom News Hub and Damn a third of the dlc being innaccesible until after the dlc sounds so good

[merry sapphire]

cant find the clip

wait nevermind

watching the clip yeah i dont think hugo was even aware of the question lmao

think he was busy solving the puzzle LOL

[harsh egret]

i love how hugo just says "yes" but u cant take anything he says at face value when he is so locked in on the game lmao

hahahaha yeah

[merry sapphire]

josh did read the question and didnt deny it so i wouldnt know, but also i dont know how much he is in the know with the game development as opposed to marketing

[harsh egret]

but imo Josh's reaction makes it obvious, some ppl think otherwise somehow but idk

[harsh egret]

i think he knows a bunch lol

[merry sapphire]

probably, he does stream with hugo and holds him back from saying too much lmao

[harsh egret]

"I think it could be out sometime in October or November." silly me

[merry sapphire]

man i have no idea how the dlc is gonna be like. hope they release a trailer soon

[frail bloom]

What a goof

[harsh egret]

its cancelled, hugo said last stream that it wasnt fun and they are scrapping the dlc

[merry sapphire]

ngl it would be a good thing if hugo did actually cancel it cause it wasnt fun. we dont want a doom 4 situation happening

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-disappointed-food-review-meme-gif-16003613

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

no but he said i think like 2-3 months ago that it was fun, so if it was in a playable state where u could say its fun back then, then i think we getting close

[frail bloom]

Nah it was more a month ago

[harsh egret]

here i go again tryina predict when it releases

[solar spoke]

at least they're not working through a pandemic this time lol

[frail bloom]

He said it was fun like 30 times

[frail bloom]

See you can't escape it

You try, you try, but it leeches into your brain

[harsh egret]

ive been predicting mid feb for months now

[frail bloom]

You want it, you know you want it

[harsh egret]

we'll see how far i am this time

[fleet spruce]

you know, it's highly likely to happen

[harsh egret]

i think its highly likely not to happen tbh

[frail bloom]

And I don't know anymore

[fleet spruce]

We're dooming here but they're probably itching to press upload button on the trailer video as we speak

[harsh egret]

nah they're prob scrolling through the discord thinking we r going crazy

[frail bloom]

They prob do that now

Crazy conspiracy theory but I do think it's true

[fleet spruce]

😔

[frail bloom]

Hugo's always lurkin'

[harsh egret]

hugo react with the 👀 emoji to this message if u see this

[frail bloom]

Nah he wouldn't do that

[harsh egret]

damn u know him so well huh?

[frail bloom]

Ye

[harsh egret]

im telling u, u are never beating the id software employee allegations

[frail bloom]

He would never

[frail bloom]

Nope I am not an employee

And you'll never prove it

[fleet spruce]

id software secret police

[wide siren]

they want to shadow drop it again i bet

[fading bone]

lmao amazing gif

[harsh egret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491020118780805140/1451956544341147689/IMG_20251220_161642.png?ex=69480f68&is=6946bde8&hm=77ff5845fc777de1def1084aa8f24550c788134a3a03e9cf76bc97593e0a2daa&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1179&height=1001

the dlc size has been leaked

[frail bloom]

[harsh egret]

the wizards are back at it again, 10 MB holy

[wide siren]

the slayer gets another polygon

[frail bloom]

Boi we getting a skinpack

Let's GOOOOOO

[random sand]

No way that's it😭

[harsh egret]

just realised why does it say "in game purchases" the fk lol

it says that for the base game too

[frail bloom]

It is

Enjoy the new water reflections

[random sand]

Isn't the ancient gods like 20gb or something? Isn't this one even bigger?😭

[fleet spruce]

I wonder is it because if you don't have premium there's "upgrade to premium" and shit on main menu

[frail bloom]

Boiii 8 months for a skinpack🔥 🔥

[harsh egret]

maybe idk

[harsh egret]

we are so back

[frail bloom]

[random sand]

They really are wizards. God damn

[harsh egret]

nope, its 10 mb

[random sand]

TAG?

[harsh egret]

Tda dlc

ill be able to fit 100 dlcs on my ssd

[random sand]

Yeah i saw that. But i'm tryna compare it to TAG

[frail bloom]

No vro yu don'r understand

We're getting the classic slzyer skin

8 months in the working

[random sand]

That's this dlc?

[frail bloom]

Oh andtop of tjat a dlc

But who cares abtthat

SKIN PAK BOIIII

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mouse-clubhouse-goofy-dancing-dance-gif-5468152

[harsh egret]

The dlc is 10 mb and the slayer skin is the extra 0.1 mb

[slender night]

TAG is 20mb 🤫

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-lit-khaled-wiggle-gif-9011147

[slender night]

Before TDA came out they had its filesize listed as 300~ MB

[frail bloom]

Me with the dj khaled skin

[harsh egret]

so that means the dlc is about a level and a half 🥀

[wide siren]

that’s the doom eternal combat dance

[harsh egret]

wait no not even that

not even a level 🥀

[frail bloom]

Boi it's one huge levll

It's OPEN WOOORRLLLD

BOIIIII

[harsh egret]

wooaaahh!

[frail bloom]

Hato for a conspiracy dude you're pretty not knowleadgable

[slender night]

All jokes aside it is pretty wild the DLC that exists just to validate your license is 4x the size of Knee-Deep in the Dead

[frail bloom]

So why does it say 10 mb

[harsh egret]

what jokes?

[frail bloom]

Where did you get this from hato

[slender night]

🤫

[harsh egret]

i have my sources

[frail bloom]

And why was dark ages before release 300 mb

Like why was the filesize shown as that

[slender night]

I need them to release that uncompressed 1 terabyte build of RAGE

[slender night]

-# It's because the DLC in the store is only a license and the actual DLC content is gonna be added to the base game via an update like with Eternal

[harsh egret]

because thats the actual file size, they just wanna troll people and make the game occupy 80 gigs instead

[fleet spruce]

one whole ass TB? the fuck

[frail bloom]

Oh ok so file size and storage is different

[harsh egret]

Lmfao

[slender night]

Yeah Carmack said the raw development material makes up that amount

[frail bloom]

Me don't own pc

So me don't know

[slender night]

As in, like, all the textures and shit before getting squished down

[harsh egret]

Sir ur console has the same type of ssd as a pc

(i think)

[frail bloom]

Well I play games vro I don't study the file size or whatever

[harsh egret]

(i would hope so)

[slender night]

TDA does NOT have the filesize of three Hexen IIs

[harsh egret]

well better get to work then

[frail bloom]

Nuh uh

[harsh egret]

Lmao just saw someone notice smth cool

The logo on each artbook of the games in the modern trilogy is positioned according to the playstyle of each game

tda is on the bottom, 2016 in the middle and eternal on top

[frail bloom]

Very cool

[harsh egret]

Ikr very cool

[frail bloom]

Awesome

So

Where's the next game gonna go

The left?

[harsh egret]

Theres gonna be no logo on the artbook anymore cuz we gonna play as john cena

Idk what im even on about anymore

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/agustdgaf-crowd-cheering-gif-9745677813629958610

[frail bloom]

Nah yur cuookin

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-laugh-crazy-car-gif-22580177

[fleet spruce]

Fascinating

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[meager vortex]

what is it? where to see?

[slender night]

There's gonna be a Hexen III logo instead #hexensweep

[frail bloom]

Dark ages story so peak

I want more doom slayer wanting to save ppl moments

[hazy pasture]

Actually that would be cool

Even though you would be on a diff level of stealth cuz no demon would be able to see you

[harsh egret]

Yeah imagine next game gonna be a stealth game

[hazy pasture]

Stealth? That's pretty solid...

[meager vortex]

even doom eternal campaign dlc 10.12mb

[harsh egret]

Huh

[meager vortex]

xbox

[slender night]

^^^

The DLCs in the store are just unlocking access, the actual files are installed with the game (or in TDA's case, will be updated into the game later)

[meager vortex]

yes dlc in the store is only license and not ready to release yet

just like pre-download

[fleet spruce]

Today's -35 C over there but Dark Ages warms my hands, literally

[hazy pasture]

I can sense it...maybe they'll yap about the dlc in dev direct...

[hazy pasture]

Goddamn show me the snow

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-freezing-cold-shivering-glace-gif-4206910866563313498

[fleet spruce]

I'll get you a good photo tomorrow

Just got home

[hazy pasture]

Ahh then get some rest mate

Snow can wait

[meager vortex]

melting your freezing and play doom the dark ages

[thorny yarrow]

I don't know if others have pointed this out here, but it seems like some of the weapon logs might be bugged, kind of like how the Battle Knight and Aracnotron logs were a while back.

I didn't get the Pulverizer log on a recent replay, and on a file I'm non now I didn't get the Pulverizer or the Ravager's logs.

[meager vortex]

you mean codex

[thorny yarrow]

same thing

[violet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-not-the-same-lewis-jackson-they-are-different-there-are-differences-between-them-we-can-spot-the-differences-gif-17659531826994189723

[grave gazelle]

Does anyone know when DOOM is gonna release DLCs yet? Been waiting for a peak story to come back again

[obsidian shard]

We are only getting one DLC, not two

So I'm expecting at least another 5 or so months

(same dev time as the entirety of TAG)

[wintry forge]

It's funny tuning in daily for people asking the question about Doom's DLC status lmao

[frail bloom]

They're all different ppl

Can't blame them

[wintry forge]

Ik, just funny how common it is

[south river]

doom more like poo

[frail bloom]

Har har har

[wintry forge]

"poom"

[fleet spruce]

the time is now

[frail bloom]

Is that an ahzrak reference

[obsidian shard]

@harsh egret the 4th DOOM TDA Jacket has surfaced, and it belongs to Andrew Hulshult!!!!

[frail bloom]

Boi

[fleet spruce]

holy shit

[obsidian shard]

"Avoid the DLC"
"Focus on Playing the game first"

They cooked with Ahzrak's Lines ngl

[fleet spruce]

they cooked with Azhrak in general

cool character

[frail bloom]

Best doom villain

[fleet spruce]

agree

[frail bloom]

Dark lord second bc he has cool lines aswell

And I actually liked tag 2's ending

I think it ties a neat bow with what we had

[fleet spruce]

If only they could have ended tag2 on a cliffhanger so game after it would have mirrored 64 (70% of game is in hell)

[fleet spruce]

just with couple of loose ends, i believe hell will break loose

[frail bloom]

Well idk how that's gonna happen

They'll make some bull excuse

"Oh hell has a poopy butthole backdoor that no one's used for 67 million years"

Boom, Doom maternal 2

[elder raven]

they did bypass the barrier that urdak put on them 🤷

[fleet spruce]

wasn't barrier annihilated by icon of sin

[elder raven]

all is said that they bypassed it using witchcraft and stuff

im about to play eternal anyway hold on

[thorny yarrow]

When the Khan Maykr woke the Icon of Sin in Urdak it broke the seal on Urdak, allowing the demons to enter it. The Icon acted like a giant beacon for hell to flood into it.

[elder raven]

no no no both of you are right but thats in eternal

im talking about the initial barrier that hell had

[thorny yarrow]

Ah. Hell's Barrier always exists. Even by the end of TAG. The trouble is that Hell is always pushing against its barrier, and corrupting people outside of it, resulting in it creating many gateways through the barrier and out of it.

It's always getting punched into like swiss cheese by people outside of it to let the demons out.

But also it can happen by accident, as shown by the UAC in classic doom when they opened a gateway into it unintentionally.

[violet zealot]

Lol fr

[thorny yarrow]

But yeah. Hell won't stop existing or stop trying with the death of Davoth. Even with him dead, Hell has existed for untold ages as it is. It is inextricably Hell's nature to seek out and corrupt and conquer worlds and dominate all. Davoth's death essentially resolidified the barrier, but new holes will be made. It's inevitable. But now without Davoth, Hell is weaker than its ever been. Without that dominating will from Davoth, it will now be all the easier for the Slayer to eventually destroy it.

[flat elm]

I know the true reason of Argenta civil war

[frail bloom]

Oh so there's a chance that the slayer ends his mission once and for all

I would love to see the game where he accomplishes his goal

[thorny yarrow]

It is his ultimate goal to eradicate hell. And he's already come close once. So yes I think so.

[flat elm]

A freakin full auto vs sticky bomb debate

[frail bloom]

Ah yes some argentian jar of mayo gained sentience and talked crap abt novik's fondness for sticky grenades

Then they started killing eachother

[cold ember]

doom the dark ages is probably one of the best games of this year

it is so fun and the combat feels fresh but a lot simpler to 2016

[harsh egret]

just saw now, hell yeah

theres so many awesome ppl in the community and i hope as many of them as possible got sent one as well cuz they all deserve it ❤️

[umbral flint]

Why does my game keep crashing? My pc can definitely run it, it usually happens when i throw my shield or melee

Could it be the microcode on my cpu being outdated?

[solar spoke]

can't think of someone who deserves it more after making such an awesome soundtrack

[obsidian shard]

So true, DUSK is peak and TAG was banging!!!

[harsh egret]

i really enjoyed his work on Prodeus as well

[mystic barn]

Nether goes crazy

I do think though that some of the arrangements are weak. Nether works because the whole track builds up to that section in the last two minutes or so, but in other tracks like Cables & Chaos, they lack the impact that Nether has in the heavier sections, so they kinda fall flat. They’d benefit from a traditional verse-chorus arrangement

[gusty seal]

@kind knot
when i say max sliders, its all max. Says it in the vid descrition too. I know some people want me to show the settings. But doing that after every try is more tedious than the game is haha 😄
Settings:
💀Nightmare
Includes Brief Cutscene(s)
0% Mele/Parry Slowmo
Smallest Parry Window
Brink of Death: Normal&Hard
150% Game Speed
500% Damage to Player
50% Damage to Demons
Maximum Enemy Aggression
50% Daze Duration
Max Speed Projectiles
Lowest Resources
🟥/🟪Parry Recolor

[kind knot]

Okie dokie thank you 👍

[gusty seal]

rip and tear until it is done my friend/fellow slayer

[stone pasture]

Anyone else get an update?

[harsh egret]

nop

[stone pasture]

I sent you a image @harsh egret

Got the update, they fixed it

[harsh egret]

congrats

[stone pasture]

And got quakecon 2025 skin to

[crude sparrow]

doing my second UN run rn

first one was basically in the first week of the game's launch on default settings

this time I'm doing it on 130% tho

also was curious what encounters they changed since I last played the campaign levels lol

[lunar cedar]

DOOM THE DARK AGES IS AWESOME

im now in the sentinel barracks wish me luck

[fleet spruce]

have fun!

[hazy pasture]

Greetings fellow folks

[undone girder]

Blood Red is my favorite track so you're already lucky lmao

Merry crimbus to anyone who celebrates it here btw

[fleet spruce]

hello, I'm the biggest Into the Void shill

[obsidian shard]

what is a Shill?

[harsh egret]

someone who tries to like persuade others to do or buy smth

[fleet spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717363111308427309/1452189822553821268/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_a518c25f-8319-43b5-99db-35eea79d5544.jpg?ex=6948e8aa&is=6947972a&hm=d8ed285e9472a982cd8054ec4e147e1cb19ddcdeb3b562c9d27d75e2ebfec732&

[obsidian shard]

ty king

[harsh egret]

w

[fleet spruce]

top 10 things to do at retail job

[unkempt dragon]

@harsh egret or @obsidian shard answer some Arcade Mode questions in General lol

2016. I only play the campaign

please and ty ^_^

I like that I came in here to drag you guys out of your room hahah

[obsidian shard]

ummm... I've never played arcade mode.... my bad goat

[unkempt dragon]

Me neither, I've only watched people play it

[obsidian shard]

fr lmao

[harsh egret]

i did play it a lil but that was a long time ago

[unkempt dragon]

I just grind the main game. I think I'm just a campaign type of guy lol

I like Eternal campaign more than Battlemode, SVS, etc. I like Titanfall 2 campaign, Doom I and II, I'm just boring ngl

[harsh egret]

i think most people would be the same

[unkempt dragon]

I always feel like I should be doing more. But then I remember I'm old and tired

[harsh egret]

ive put alot more time into the ripatorium than any other side mode from 2016 or eternal

[fleet spruce]

that's fine, not everyone is meant to be sweating in multiplayer

[harsh egret]

i enjoy it alot

compared to the horde mode in eternal lel

ive put idk maybe 10-20 hrs in the 2016 mp

and close to no hrs on battlemode

[obsidian shard]

i grinded Battlemode like it was life and death

[harsh egret]

god i wish invasion wasnt cancelled, i remember it sounded kinda cool on paper

[obsidian shard]

all trophys was possibly the hardest video game thing i have ever done

[harsh egret]

lol i can imagine

[obsidian shard]

REAL, rip Invasion mode

[unkempt dragon]

I can't believe Christmas is so soon. I can't wait to show you guys what I got from Josh

Have to wait though til Xmas

[hazy pasture]

Hell yeah

[fleet spruce]

I didn't touch battlemode because I was disappointed in it not being classic deathmatch, although looking back i admit it's interesting and unique concept, i expected them to expand upon 2016 MP (which unfortunately didn't took off)

[harsh egret]

yeah i pretty much feel the same

i do appreciate its uniqueness but its just not my thing

[obsidian shard]

PEAK dude, looking forward to it!(its the Jacket isnt it lol)

[unkempt dragon]

It's stuff

[hazy pasture]

Holy moly

LM getting a wholeass set of Doom stuff before the DLC

Peam it is

[mystic barn]

It’s the DLC trailer, I’m calling it now

[harsh egret]

lmao

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doomguy-doom-slayer-absolute-cinema-gif-11606677432043572262

[fleet spruce]

DLC trailer for Christmas would be a neat gift

[unkempt dragon]

OMG that would be wild

lmao

It's the next Doom game, early early release

[spark elm]

I have deleted the save that had the glitched armor. SURELY this new nightmare save will grant me 150 armor like it’s supposed to.

[fleet spruce]

maybe

[spark elm]

Cuz it being 80 armor at Enhanced Ahzrak was BS.

[hazy pasture]

Kewl

[fleet spruce]

the only glitch I encountered so far is 2nd gore nest on Khalim not being cleared after all demons were killed, kinda funny it happened when I was revisiting the level

[frank arrow]

Do people count ultra nightmare as valid if someone completes it with the damage and other sliders changed well in their favour?

[mystic barn]

Who gives a shit lol, do yo thang

[frank arrow]

Fair enough, thank you

I’m guessing for speedruns sliders can’t be changed?

[solar spoke]

I get it, I kinda liked Battlemode on PS (had to to get that platinum) but it was way beyond my capabilities on PC lol. Effect and Cause is still one of the all time greats

[stone pasture]

Expedition 33 just been found using Ai assets

[harsh egret]

and this is the perfect chat for it im sure

[violet zealot]

imagine for the DLC Daisy was the final 𝚋𝚘𝚜𝚜 𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚠𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚛𝚎𝚂𝚞𝚛𝚛𝚎𝙲𝚃𝚎𝚍 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚊𝚜 𝚊 𝚍𝚎𝚖𝚘𝚗. 𝚆𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚋𝚎 𝚌𝚘𝚘𝚕 𝚘𝚛 𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝?

[hazy pasture]

TDA chat is the new general chat

[hazy pasture]

Eh dunno

[fleet spruce]

@hazy pasture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140696964263067810/1452311837466165415/3d62ccd7-ef8f-4a41-8255-1176837af90f.jpg?ex=69495a4c&is=694808cc&hm=91e81ca6bd688414a127b6a8c0c3f844ea1e37c7afb3c25f064cb3286ef306b3&

[hazy pasture]

RAHHHHHHHH

That snow looks delicious

I'm gonna devour that shit

[frail bloom]

Where

[fleet spruce]

average day in Russia

[frail bloom]

I was just playing it yesterday I'm having a fantastic time with it

It's prob some miniscule use of ai

[frail bloom]

Doom the dark ages dlc snow level leak???

Bruh you shpoiled everything

[fleet spruce]

can't believe i done that

[hazy pasture]

Hell froze over looks quite diff

Maybe an undiscovered arena

[hazy pasture]

I've heard so too

They used gen ai to make placeholder assets before replacing them with the intended, self made ones

[frail bloom]

Bruh

That's like common practice now

Not a big deal tbh

Game's amazing tho

I actually put down the podcast stuff so I can engage with the story

[hazy pasture]

I found the visuals and storytelling great

The game is turn based so... Meh

Overall a pretty solid game

[frail bloom]

My first time with a turn based and I'm having fun

Parries are tough to nail but I like mixing my attacks

[harsh egret]

how far into the game r u

[frail bloom]

Gestral village

Before going into the chiefs house

[harsh egret]

lol nice

[frail bloom]

Just doing some side quests

[hazy pasture]

Oh I see

I mean it's nice and all

Not really my cup of tea that's all

[frail bloom]

Oh I can understand

[hazy pasture]

I do play Honkai Star Rail once in a week

[stone pasture]

What is it guys?

[hazy pasture]

Clair Obscur : Expedition 33

And turn based combat yapping

[stone pasture]

K

[naive wigeon]

vanilla flavor

[hazy pasture]

Fr

[flat elm]

Today I replayed Halo 2

[fleet spruce]

based

I love Halo trilogy, it has that sense of adventure (and so do Doom reboot games)

[hazy pasture]

Peam

[spark elm]

What ambient played in chapter 8/9?

as well as chapter 6/7 (siege part 1, siege part 2)

[stone pasture]

@spark elm you should probably find it in the soundtrack art book on steam

[spark elm]

I see. I figured unyielding would play on Khalim.

Oh I have the digital art book on Xbox.

Making a playlist with the ambients on Apple Music, it starts with Unyielding.

Maybe it’s last bastion for chapter 8/9?

[obsidian shard]

Transdimensional

[obsidian shard]

Onslaught of the Damned

[obsidian shard]

It does yes

[slender night]

Inb4 somebody finds the chapter count hilarious

[umbral flint]

Why does my game keep freezing? My specs are in the reccomended, ive updated my gpu drivers and verified game files on steam aswell,

[obsidian shard]

Last bastion is Sentinel Command Station and From Beyond (Hellspawn Rift) Ambiance

[obsidian shard]

Probs have graphics too high

[flat elm]

Eight time. The plasma not that bad espcially dual wielded.

[spark elm]

I hope not

So 14 is titanic prison then. 15-18 are all cosmic sea.

[obsidian shard]

Yup, and 19 is Sentinel Barracks

[umbral flint]

the graphics are on medium, but it happens even on handheld graphics, if it helps im using rtx 3070 with a 1080p monitor

[obsidian shard]

Cpu?

[umbral flint]

i7 14700kf

before i launch the game it does reccomend updating the microcode in bios but its probably a gpu issue

[obsidian shard]

It's def this then lol

Try rolling back an update then re-update

[umbral flint]

im on 0x123 and it said its better to upgrade to 0x12b, ill look online how to do it since if i try it right now ill proably break something

thanks for the help though

[violet zealot]

𝚈𝚘𝚞 𝚗𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠...

[slender night]

It'd be corny, I'll pass :p
-# Also what the heck is going on with your font there buddy

[crude sparrow]

Yeah that wouldn't really work imo

Also the khan maykr offers to revive daisy for the slayer in sentinel prime if I remember correctly, that line wouldn't really make sense if it had already happened earlier in the story

Also we know it'd just be another icon of sin situation so xD

[frail bloom]

Oh there's a video with an hrs worth of easter eggs in dark ages

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-gif-23805674

[frail bloom]

There's:
Dev paintings
Bloodborne
Movie 300
Pacific rim
Robo Cop
Oblivion
Godzilla
Saturn devouring his son
Attack on titan
Terminator
Dantes inferno
Lord of the rings

The list just keeps going

[crude sparrow]

Pacific rim makes sense since it's hugo

[violet zealot]

𝙽𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐...

[slender night]

There is a reference most gamers missed. When you complete chapter 5, "Holy City of Aratum", you feel tired as fuck, because the chapter lasts an eternity...

[frail bloom]

What is it

[slender night]

an eternity...

[frail bloom]

Still over my head

[slender night]

Oh my god vro DOOM Eternal 😭

I'm making fun of the fact chapter 5 is like half an hour of dragon gameplay

[frail bloom]

Eh

My fav reference was the aot one

I did not realise the statue infront of the saturn painting was doing the scout regiment pose

[crude sparrow]

City of aratum is peak wdym xD

Also reminds me of when Samuel Hayden nearly says "eternal doom" in urdak but then corrects himself and says damnation instead

[slender night]

I like it but holy shit is it long

[crude sparrow]

Spire of nerathul is worse imo

[thin hound]

Dragon gameplay is fun, especially on 120% speed

[frail bloom]

Oh and emerson tung helped this youtuber find the easter eggs

So they're not out of nowhere

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[slender night]

Emerson Tung Tung Tung Sahur

[frail bloom]

Hor hor hor hor hor

[slender night]

Which one was that again

[frail bloom]

Five nights at emerson

[violet zealot]

The one where you free the ancient one

[slender night]

Man that level could last half the game and I wouldn't be mad because the music is absolutely stellar

[frail bloom]

Eh

Did not like the look of the level personally

[crude sparrow]

The one where you free the old one to get to the cosmic realm

And first encounter the komodo

Also I actually prefer the music in city of aratum to the one in spire

[frail bloom]

Me too

No contest

[slender night]

Forsaken Plains though...

Infernal Chasm is a top 3 DOOM song lowkey

[crude sparrow]

True

I still think unchained predator was criminally underused

Only plays in one level and even in there the good part kicks in like twice

[slender night]

Steel Beyond the Grave is my personal pick for most underrated

Anyone remember where it plays? I'd love to replay that level just to hear the sick music

[slender night]

Hell levels just keep stealing the spotlight man

Untitled, Damnation, Infernal Chasm, the list goes on

[crude sparrow]

Resurrection I'm pretty sure

Goated level also

[slender night]

Sweet, thanks

Yeah that intro gave me insane chills the first time through. So unexpected

Oh wait that's Harbor of Souls lol

[crude sparrow]

Battle on the blackened tide goes incredibly hard also

That entire level is just aura farming and hype moments

[slender night]

TDA's OST is just underrated as a whole

Loved Mick's computery shit but this is more traditional metal and I'm all for it. I appreciate the usage of more orchestral sounds like choirs and strings

[crude sparrow]

I don't think the industrial style of Mick Gordon would fit tda's setting that much

[slender night]

Absolutely but he's proven with Wolfenstein that he's capable of making more serious and grim soundtracks so I think he'd still do a good job if rehired

[crude sparrow]

I'm sure he could probably still do a soundtrack for it and it'd be goated but I meant the style eternal and 2016 went for

That wouldn't really fit tda

[slender night]

They should look into getting Kevin Schilder and Chris Vrenna back in the future. I really like their work

[crude sparrow]

But some tracks in tda already have those industrial type instruments used in them and it works, personally they're some of my favorite tracks in the game

But if you just put eternal's ost in dark ages it wouldn't work imo

Eternal's is too industrial for tda is what I'm trying to say basically

[slender night]

Yeah I get it and I agree

Each game's OST perfectly fits it. Wouldn't want to change any of them in any way, and this applies to pre-2016 games also

[crude sparrow]

Doom 3's ost is 12 minutes long lol

[slender night]

Still managed to throw in a few leitmotifs

[crude sparrow]

Well yeah the most iconic is for sure the main theme by tweaker, it's even referenced by Mick Gordon in harbinger I'm pretty sure?

[slender night]

Hey one of the guys responsible for the main theme later returned for Quake Champions and it went turbo hard. So I say rehire

[fleet spruce]

My favourite thing about TDA ost is that you can instantly identify whether people actually listen to metal or not

[merry jackal]

Guys in ch 16 the encounters not llading

[merry jackal]

When the shadows lengthened is so good

[fleet spruce]

oh yeah, Vrenna done really good job on bringing the more Quake 1 style music

[harsh egret]

tbh i dont even listen to metal but i prefer the tda ost over the other 2 before it, maybe its the doom bias idk

i still love all 3 osts tho

[slender night]

Always loved the fact that he included a part of the original Quake theme in his QC theme. It's that loud bam bam bam bam bam sound that plays near the end of the original theme

[crude sparrow]

"bam bam bam bam bam" 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[fleet spruce]

I just love the sheer power in TDA ost. It's heavy , brutal and relentless.

[slender night]

I don't know how else to describe it 😭

[fleet spruce]

i get it since I marathoned all of Quake and its expansions 2 years ago

[crude sparrow]

I'm gonna be real with you guys

Ive never played a quake game in my life

audible gasp from the audience

[slender night]

Same except for half of DoE and all of SoA

And it was like a month ago

[fleet spruce]

It was so fun going thru machinegames expansions, i once stumbled upon secret level and had to axe an shambler

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-6891886407904187638

[harsh egret]

yep

[crude sparrow]

I probably should right xD

[harsh egret]

im still in shambles after hearing that one review of some guys on a podcast and one of them said he turned off the music and played his own music in the background

im sorry but what kind of reviewer does that

[green estuary]

Actual philistines

Uncultured swine

[harsh egret]

he just starts laughing and then the others start laughing like what are we doing bruh

[crude sparrow]

okay but this kinda hate on the tda ost has to be forced right

[green estuary]

Clueless ignoramus

[harsh egret]

and they are like fairly big reviewers

[spark elm]

Missing out on GREATNESS

[green estuary]

People just don’t like metal ig lmao

[crude sparrow]

but eternal's ost was praised so

[green estuary]

The TDA ost has a couple misses but as a whole it’s some really good metal

[crude sparrow]

pick a side 😭

[spark elm]

Imagine being anti-metal. METAL IS LIFE. And the dang metal tracks are freakin metal.

[harsh egret]

im not anti metal but most metal ive heard isnt for me but i dont see the point in being anti metal and hating on shit just cuz i dont like it

[crude sparrow]

>buys a game from a franchise known to have a metal soundtrack
>looks inside
>metal soundtrack

[harsh egret]

i guess i just like video game metal

lmao

[green estuary]

Eternal’s soundtrack is really far removed from something like thrash or black metal which is what TDA’s soundtrack mostly leans on

It still is “metal”, but they’re completely different sounds

[crude sparrow]

like I said, 2016 and eternal are more industrial metal

[spark elm]

Steel Beyond the Grave is a standout among other standouts, I think SBTG is kinda sludgy which is cool

[harsh egret]

that one has been growing on me

[frail bloom]

Who were they

And who does that normally

Just playing their own music, it ain't even mixed right!

[frail bloom]

Colossus unleashed

Ew