the-dark-ages

[harsh egret]

i also study 3d modeling among other things also tho

[brittle finch]

Mine is gonna be on the recommended requirements sheet in 5 years if Unreal Engine 5 doesn’t get better 😭

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[brittle finch]

I have a laptop, which makes it slightly worse even, but I can buy an external GPU if it ever becomes a problem

:3

[harsh egret]

laptop gaming

(i know from experience)

[obsidian shard]

Only game i can (Barely) Play on my laptop is TF2

[round owl]

It wasn’t eternals slogan

[harsh egret]

damn thats bad

[obsidian shard]

I do get consistant 10-15 fps on DOOM eternal

[round owl]

The whole “and” thing was a hindsight thing to explain the differences

[harsh egret]

its what they said on the dev direct xd

[warm ibex]

nah but I get what he's saying

[round owl]

In eternals marketing?

[harsh egret]

no

[round owl]

I have never seen that anywhere

[harsh egret]

i meant last years tda dev direct

but yes i know what u saying

[round owl]

Run and Gun and Jump and Shoot were never ever used for marketing Eternal and 2016

[green estuary]

only difference was that it was an internal slogan that id used, where as stand and fight was just revealed to us

[harsh egret]

yes yes its just what they said in the tda dev direct

[round owl]

I’ve never heard it referred to as the “internal” slogan

Bruce lee on a skateboard with an RPG

Was the slogan internally

“Push forward combat”

“Engagement”

Etc

[green estuary]

yeah I forgot about push forward combat being 2016's thing
when the most effective strat on nightmare is literally to play it like a tactical shooter

[round owl]

The “jump and shoot” thing happened after TDA

[obsidian shard]

"Last Years" THAT WAS THIS YEAR

[cerulean pagoda]

hi

[green estuary]

hello funny ultrakill man

[harsh egret]

oh fuck u right

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[round owl]

Yup

[green estuary]

it's been a long year huh

[harsh egret]

mhm

[warm ibex]

tda releasing this year is crazy

[green estuary]

yeah it was in may

[harsh egret]

actually i cant tell if it flew by fast or if it went by slow icl

[green estuary]

last semester in undergrad for me felt like a literal eternity ago

[warm ibex]

I can almost understand why people act like we've gone a decade without major TDA updates (prior to ripatorium 2.0). long ass year

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182151938314358856/1399628765826519092/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[obsidian shard]

Same, Weeks feel long, months feel fast

[warm ibex]

that's time!

[round owl]

Gamer folks be hungry for updates too

Even when it hasn’t been long

[harsh egret]

speaking of, when dlc?

[obsidian shard]

May: Game Release -> August: Ripatorium 1.0 -> November Ripatorium 2.0

[round owl]

I figure since TDA isn’t eternal there won’t be any more earnable cosmetic challenges for guns skins anywhere?

[harsh egret]

maybe in ng+ and dlc

[round owl]

Or any other rewards, events or seasons?

[obsidian shard]

we need Hugo With a Dead stare looking at the camera for this question

[harsh egret]

wasnt there one

[warm ibex]

you forgot to add the years. may 2025 -> august 2035 -> november 2059

[round owl]

TDA is a different game ofc

[green estuary]

I obviously wouldn't mind new skins n shit
but I don't really think it should be a priority

[harsh egret]

well there were some leaked skins and stuff so there will be more im sure..

[obsidian shard]

ye, found it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1441456807036846152/1441558630045450361/Screenshot_20250808-094107.YouTube2.png?ex=69223b98&is=6920ea18&hm=e4e1c32ac95db286842aef8ac2cc863c219b547663893cfe77f36dbb3ee950bd&

[green estuary]

I wasn't a huge fan of how much eternal leaned into the live service stuff

[harsh egret]

lmfao

[warm ibex]

I feel the same. would love to have them, definitely don't need them

[round owl]

Did eternal lean into live service?

[obsidian shard]

I Have a folder on my PC called "Hugo Martin Reaction"

[round owl]

I didn’t buy anything other than DLC

[warm ibex]

it had monthly free battle passes

[harsh egret]

with the battlepasses and stuff yeah

[round owl]

Oh free battlepasses

If that’s live service then ya ig

[obsidian shard]

Battle Mode

[harsh egret]

lmao i got some too

[obsidian shard]

Its fun, but HORRIBLY unbalanced

[harsh egret]

and some random other memes

[green estuary]

I don't understand how people can look at the shit sandwich that was battlemode and still say "tda should have had multiplayer"

[obsidian shard]

Battlemode 2.0 helped but still

[round owl]

Battle mode was crazy fun

[frosty roost]

show me please

[round owl]

I don’t think we need it in TDA but I love it

[harsh egret]

well they wanted multiplayer, just prob not battlemode

[obsidian shard]

or 2016's "Oh it was good" THEN WHY DID NO ONE PLAY IT??!!

[harsh egret]

thats what im sayin

[round owl]

Ya this more what people mean and why we don’t have it

[frosty roost]

i really feel like we don't need battle mode but honestly i have no clue what it is

[round owl]

I imagine more people played battle mode than 2016 lol

[harsh egret]

2016's multiplayer was fun tho

[warm ibex]

I mean it is, yeah. live service is usually when a (typically online) game gets constant updates to incentivize players to return to the game regularly. Usually a thing with f2p games but does ofc happen with paid games too

[cerulean pagoda]

i refuse to believe the people that say that are real

[brittle finch]

The one in Eternal was fun asf. Me and my friend ran into a top 10 battle mode player one time and got destroyed even tho it was a 2V1 😭

[round owl]

Leaning into Live service to me implies selling things seasonally

[warm ibex]

I think you greatly underestimate how much of this community runs on performative statements that they themselves don't even stand by lol

[brittle finch]

2016’s was kinda meh

[brittle finch]

Like how people say Doom 64 was good /j

[round owl]

Doom was never about switching weapons

[brittle finch]

And say Doom 3 was shit without even playing it

[round owl]

Doom also was never about avoiding projectiles

[warm ibex]

only fake ass doom fans hate on Doom 64 😤

[round owl]

It was also always a horror game

[green estuary]

🤨

[cerulean pagoda]

oroiginally doom had its weapno variety incentivised through ammo not turning them into utility all of them were strong enough to kill on their own

[brittle finch]

Doom 2 would like to have a word with you

[slender night]

This really applies to anything pre-2016

[round owl]

Doom isn’t for kids

Have I got them all yet Horde?

[warm ibex]

I think you're getting pretty close lmao

[green estuary]

"you shit on doom 3 without having played it, I played doom 3 but still shit on it, we are not the same"

[brittle finch]

I just don’t like the direction the game took. It was too slow and they went with a “horror” theme and didn’t fully commit to it.

[round owl]

Even Hugo Martin won’t play Doom 3 smh

[frail bloom]

Ye this encounter is hard

[harsh egret]

i cant wait for next stream

[green estuary]

nobody tell him

[harsh egret]

welp

[round owl]

I saw the stream lol

[harsh egret]

lol

[brittle finch]

I used to not like Doom 2 cus it added basically nothing, but now I love it because Doom 1 was so perfect that it didn’t need anything added to it

[round owl]

When faced with a bazooka of evidence

But it’ll be hilarious if they still don’t play doom 3

[warm ibex]

i think you might have misread the artistic intent. it isn't trying to be a horror game, it just aims for a darker tone with more of an atmosphere than the two entries before it

[harsh egret]

"he was forced to play doom 3 insert crying seal gif"

[round owl]

DOOM IS A HORROR GAME

Eternal ruined doom

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1441456807036846152/1441560412108881960/hugo_pis.PNG?ex=69223d41&is=6920ebc1&hm=32de9b412204f9af4befffefcb67e6c55388db6ecbe25f0c1f0c739644fd6c89&

[round owl]

By making demons red

[harsh egret]

bahahahah

[green estuary]

doom 3 is a game that mostly just annoys you but occasionally makes you laugh because the best scare tactic they could think of was putting another enemy behind a door for the 100th time

[warm ibex]

oh right we forgot "I don't want Doom Eternal 2, I want something entirely new" from the folks that have been complaining about every change TDA made since launch lol

[brittle finch]

The random jumpscares and “cryingbaby.zip” or wtv the fuck being inserted into the background of levels is still weird to me tho

[round owl]

Eternal slayer would never use a shield

[brittle finch]

TDA was amazing

[obsidian shard]

Straight Spooky

[round owl]

Also give me a new game plz

[frosty roost]

LMAOOO, please send all of these in dms I love em

[warm ibex]

katsu you might be THE undisputed goat. you get it.

[obsidian shard]

they are all amazing

[round owl]

I think you die way too often in TDA to things you just can’t see

[frosty roost]

all DOOM games are amazing in their own way

[obsidian shard]

will do https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1441456807036846152/1441561026947448882/Screenshot_20250430_074424_Gallery2.jpg?ex=69223dd3&is=6920ec53&hm=70f3a92a6a0719582fdf2778ae50e68350ce73cc54f1d9431fdcacd2add7fd2e&

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-vince-mc-mahon-entrance-entry-strut-gif-4685176

[brittle finch]

True, 64 will always be my least favorite because of the lack of direction I personally think it has

[frosty roost]

cheers big man!

[cerulean pagoda]

id: the next game will be NOTHING like eternal
doom eternal fans: okay
id: "makes next game nothing like eternal"
doom etenral fans" NOOOO WHY YOU MAKE IT DIFFERANT THAN ETERNAL

[round owl]

Beat the whole game standard Nightmare died dozens of times to things I couldn’t tell you or learn from

That’s my only real gripe with TDA

[harsh egret]

heres another one sneaky, it's on the house
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1441561110556835870/you_control_the_buttons_you_press.jpg?ex=69223de7&is=6920ec67&hm=c4679f5c08a5229068c9b10aa0e0c499c02b4f5da28c7d040e2a979ebf35d9fe&

[green estuary]

based hugo

[round owl]

And it’s my big worry going into DLC and master levels

[brittle finch]

Eternal was probably the worst modern game, but was still amazing

[magic spoke]

thats my favorite part about the nu doom trilogy is that each game is a completely different take on the fps genre and it works because it takes inspiration from older doom games

[round owl]

Gone are the “every death has something to teach you” days

[cerulean pagoda]

i once heard someone call a game woke because you can customize your character to a woman if you want to i just spawned in the "YOU CONTROL THE BUTTONS YOU PRESS"

[obsidian shard]

tyty, "We want YOU to Play DOOM: The Dark Age" Ahh Reaction

[magic spoke]

for me its Eternal >= TDA > 2016

[warm ibex]

I could spend an hour going over exactly how and why this happened but this ain't the time or place

[cerulean pagoda]

i just leave the TDA haters alone because when the next doom comes out it will finally get its praise

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[round owl]

This is the way

[brittle finch]

2016 was the best because it felt the most like Doom, then TDA felt so much different that it was just a nice change of pace (besides the fuckass dragon and mech segments) and Eternal just lost the plot imo (or got lost in the plot maybe lol)

[warm ibex]

I think that itself is also a part of the problem too

[cerulean pagoda]

etenral got the same hate at launch TDA did

even 2016

[brittle finch]

Fair, they’re all still amazing tho

[round owl]

Ya they’re all good games just not good Doom games

“ “

the classic

[obsidian shard]

But Serrat is Peak, and Me in big Mech oowaa

[green estuary]

people forget this

[warm ibex]

I don't think that's entirely true. People keep saying this but... I was there at Eternal's launch, I was lurking around every corner of the community. It wasn't this bad

[harsh egret]

^

[green estuary]

although 2016 got very little backlash

[brittle finch]

My gf said “There hasn’t been a Doom game since 2004” cus she doesn’t count the modern games 😭

[green estuary]

there's a reason it's "overwhelmingly positive" on steam

[obsidian shard]

Finishing Move has Def gotten Better Reception as of late

[round owl]

I mean Eternal coverage + Covid catapulted doom into a publicity it hasn’t had in a long time

[brittle finch]

It’s the most Doom feeling Doom game since Doom 1 and 2

[obsidian shard]

DOOM3:

[round owl]

It makes sense that NuDoom fans are eternal Stan’s and confused why he has a shield now

[warm ibex]

I think the problem with TDA hate specifically is that so many of the "haters" are people that can't move on from Eternal. There weren't nearly as meany people that disliked Eternal because they couldn't move on from 2016 (although those people most certainly existed)

[green estuary]

[brittle finch]

Ur funny

[round owl]

There were just less 2016 people

[obsidian shard]

DOOM 64?

DOOM II RPG?

[cerulean pagoda]

i think TDA is the closest to the classic formula in the modern trilogy, levels have less verticality, the bullet hell sorta build in the gameplay loop, the weapons being strong enough to kill on their own rather than having utility or having "objectively" better weapons

[obsidian shard]

DOOM has Def been in some Weird Spots

[green estuary]

doom 64 yes

doom 3 hell nah

[obsidian shard]

CALL OF DOOM (DOOM 4)

[brittle finch]

Icky game imo

[green estuary]

every day I thank god for not making the doom reboot be a tactical shooter

[obsidian shard]

[green estuary]

(even tho 2016 kinda sorta is sometimes)

[obsidian shard]

We have Peak now

[round owl]

TDA Deff has weapons that are just better

[brittle finch]

In my opinion ofc

[obsidian shard]

[cerulean pagoda]

doom 64 is underrated

[warm ibex]

I still stand by that game. it would've been a terrible direction for the franchise and I'm thankful we got 2016 instead, but I'm not at all against the idea of Doom venturing into other genres or even subgenres of FPS

[magic spoke]

is it just me or is there a stupidly long delay for the parry??

[cerulean pagoda]

i like it a lot more than most other people

[round owl]

You can experiment and stuff. Nothing is bad but running things that arnt SSG Impaler is silly

[magic spoke]

like i dont remember taking this long after shooting

[green estuary]

might just be you

[cerulean pagoda]

parries can get a little clunky sometimes for me as well

[green estuary]

what weapon are you using

[brittle finch]

The only thing 2016 really changes from the original games in terms of level design and gameplay is the chainsaw having a different single purpose instead of its original single purpose and glory kills being added lol

[green estuary]

verticality is a big one

[magic spoke]

fighting a cyberdemon using the chainshot and im trying to parry when he slashes ya

[brittle finch]

Sometimes lol

[warm ibex]

it's my favorite of the classics. art direction and atmosphere are leagues above the original. My complaint would mainly be enemy variety and non-puzzle encounter variety, but I'm willing to forgive since cart space was limited

[round owl]

2016 is way more acrobatic and vertical than doom 2 ya

[magic spoke]

i especially notice it with heavy weapons like ssg or chainshot its annoying when ur in a super tight area because parrying is ur only defense at that point

[brittle finch]

Doom 2 literally has entire levels built on verticality tho more or less

[cerulean pagoda]

my favourite of the classics is doom 2, the enemies and weapons bring so much life to the game, its flawed yes but its still very fun

[green estuary]

I mean as far as your ability to traverse the verticality within combat

[magic spoke]

doom 1 had superior level design imo but doom 2 had better weapons and demons

[round owl]

If DOOM 2016 had a balanced and fun nightmare mode I think I’d put it up with eternal

[brittle finch]

Fair

[magic spoke]

and cooler concepts

[brittle finch]

True

[round owl]

Nightmare just makes it not feel like rip and tear at all

[green estuary]

pretty much sums it up

[elder raven]

it would work if it was less “call of duty” and adapted horror elements of doom 3 imo

[obsidian shard]

1 weapon

[elder raven]

and of course the modern games lore

[round owl]

I actually did not Siege mode run, and not rich get richer

[green estuary]

it is fun, you just have to be good at not getting hit

sorry if that came across wrong

[magic spoke]

thats probably my biggest complaint with TDA is that the weapons dont really work with each other. you can just go through an entire chapter with one gun and be fine

[brittle finch]

RIP and die 😭

[round owl]

Yup

[green estuary]

but it's not really the same game like eternal where you can recover your resources very quickly

[obsidian shard]

Thank God we Got what we got instead tho

[brittle finch]

Super Shotgun lol

[spark elm]

Colossus Unleashed… was this for regular combat on final battle?

[magic spoke]

super shotgun especially but also the shredder lol

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-nice-great-excellent-the-boys-gif-15593741

[round owl]

No I mean dying to a frame 1 pinky bite from behind with no saving throw

[obsidian shard]

This was towards the DOOM II comment lol

[brittle finch]

Gore nests take like 2 hours to beat sometimes

[elder raven]

i object to this because 2 weeks ago i had completed a run using only the combat shotgun

[brittle finch]

It’s atrocious

[elder raven]

it was torture

[spark elm]

Lever action super shotgun is beautiful.

[magic spoke]

ik its just something i noticed with tda

[spark elm]

queue payment required cutscene

[magic spoke]

i really liked how all the weapons complimented each other in eternal

[green estuary]

well you can also do that in eternal tbf, only difference is that death protection in eternal is extremely strong
although I do admit pinkies in particular are very bullshit in 2016

[magic spoke]

super shotgun + bolt + cannon my beloved

[round owl]

Ya TDA and 2016 nightmare feel similar in that you just die out of no where and don’t know why

[brittle finch]

Impaler if you’re patient enough lol

[round owl]

2016 is just also not balanced at all

[spark elm]

Eternal is just BS difficulty because it’s all so fast.

[green estuary]

not really

[magic spoke]

impaler is so satisfying to use that i use it even when its not the best choice lol

[spark elm]

I hate it a lot.

[green estuary]

the only real BS in eternal comes in the first 3 levels

[brittle finch]

Both have some RNG elements ngl

[round owl]

Eternal is way slower than TDA lol

[elder raven]

i wonder what hugo’s doing right now

[warm ibex]

depends on which "horror elements" you're talking about. The atmosphere? We aren't certain what sort of atmosphere the game would've had, but something heavier and dark would've been awesome. The elements that Doom 3 would consider horror? Absolutely not. The last thing any Doom game ever needs is forty billion imp jumpscares

[magic spoke]

maybe if u have gamespeed slider turned all the way up

on base settings hard no.

[round owl]

I mean your base speed and demons speed is Deff lower in eternal ya

[green estuary]

hell on earth sucks because you've got zero mobility and no air control
exultia has the stupid purple goo and level hazards
and cultist base sticks you with annoying environmental traps and mancubi that deal 80 damage per fireball

[cerulean pagoda]

heavy disagreew

[magic spoke]

you cant quickswap, dash, and parrying and melee slows down the game

[brittle finch]

When I finally got good at the game like 15 hours in I could go entire sections without getting hit, but the game just shits on u until you get used to getting shit on

[cerulean pagoda]

personally i think eternal is visibly faster but TDA isnt slow either

[mystic barn]

Going back after a few months of TDA, Eternal is sluggish

[round owl]

None of those have to do with the speed of things in the game

[elder raven]

i partially agree only because i like the idea of being an arc soldier and the fodder demons which we maul in eternal/tda easily actually being threats to us. not 40 billion jumpscares as you say, but enough to make their presence felt + feared if that makes sense

[green estuary]

your base movement speed is faster in TDA, but eternal requires you to do more actions in a shorter period of time, and you can also increase your speed tremendously if you use what's available to you

[magic spoke]

quick swapping 100% has to do with the speed of the game

[warm ibex]

I think TDA does a much better job at introducing the core gameplay loop in the opening level

[cerulean pagoda]

on max settings tda makes eternal look like its the stand and fight

[green estuary]

no, it has to do with reload animations being canceled

[cerulean pagoda]

on max settings its 100% faster but on the default settings its visibly slower

[magic spoke]

which makes your dps higher lol

[green estuary]

one million percent

[frosty roost]

TDA is one of my favourite doom games

[round owl]

I think they’ve been very tentative with teaching speed in all of the games and in this one you pick it all up quickly and doesn’t quite expand as much as I expected

[spark elm]

Super Shotgun seems MEGA OP on Ultra Violence even without settings changed and I like it

[green estuary]

uh, yeah
dunno what this has to do with the speed of a game though

[round owl]

Tis

[magic spoke]

if ur dps is higher ur more likely going to clear out an arena much faster

[spark elm]

Probably even strong on nightmare

[round owl]

It’s pretty much the best weapon yes

[magic spoke]

also the inputs and mechanics of eternal require super fast inputs

[round owl]

It’s all I use on Nightmare

[magic spoke]

punch swapping for example

[cerulean pagoda]

yeah it does 100%< it does it in a much better way than eternal

[round owl]

Eternal doesn’t require punchswapping lol

[magic spoke]

it doesnt but its still a tech that makes the game faster

[green estuary]

higher compared to what? yeah, quickswapping in eternal lets you clear out arenas faster than you otherwise would, but TDA weapons aren't balanced around quickswapping, so they deal good dps on their own
you're never stuck in arenas for prolonged periods of time just because you're lacking DPS in tda
plus you've got hella DPS in melee

[cerulean pagoda]

dark bakground gets you familiar with the pickups as the pickups glow the same colour unlike eternal which has them easily distinguishable, the atmosphere feels fairly dark, its gonna have open levels, youre gonna feel much more powerful, etc

[round owl]

I don’t even know what you’re talking about anymore chonk

You’re just sort of saying eternal things

[magic spoke]

ok so ur point is that tda is fast enough but my point is that eternal is faster because of

tech
quickswapping
movement

[alpine pilot]

big gun big damage = demons ded

[magic spoke]

because eternals tech is built around speed

[green estuary]

eternal is faster because of movement, and that is all

[round owl]

Someone above said that eternal is unfair cause of how fast everything is

It isn’t

[green estuary]

95% of eternal's tech is unintentional lmao

[magic spoke]

doesnt matter

doom eternal at its fastest is faster than tda base settings

[round owl]

No one’s even arguing what game is faster

The move speed is slower in eternal for you and demons

That’s what I said

[green estuary]

yeah, faster because you can move faster
I have no idea how being able to quick swap or do BATS and shit makes the game faster

[magic spoke]

???

[round owl]

The move speed

I said it right under that

In reference to the game being “unfair cause it’s fast”

Which it isn’t

Unfair or especially fast

[frank oriole]

i missed gold on spire of nerathul is there any good way to find where that is??

[round owl]

By replaying the entire level until you find it

That is the way

[frank oriole]

thank GOD for noclip

[magic spoke]

ok thats understandable but i still think doom eternal is a much faster game than doom tda on its base settings and its kinda what the devs went for. they want you to feel the weight behind your attacks so they purposefully slow the game down because of that

honestly i think tda is too slow i have to set projectile speed and game speed all the way up

[obsidian shard]

Thats why its their

[warm ibex]

my reply was late, disregard that

[round owl]

Diplomatic horde coming through

[magic spoke]

pure movement speed tda is probably faster mainly due to the shield bash

but in terms of how fast ur reflexes have to be doom eternal takes it

[obsidian shard]

Sprint

[round owl]

Anyway. If anyone wants a fast game play Olliolli world

[magic spoke]

sprint isnt as fast as dash

[round owl]

Makes eternal look like a kids game

[obsidian shard]

Dash has a cooldown

[magic spoke]

i like to just tap it once and it works well

i make sure to never double dash

[round owl]

Are we actually still doing this chat in 2025

The which doom is faster chat

[magic spoke]

discussing doom games in a doom server

in the big 2025

[round owl]

I hope the next doom game is completely stationary

Tower Defense doom

[obsidian shard]

Neither is Faster then the other in a sense, its different movement mechanics

[magic spoke]

unironically a genius idea

[obsidian shard]

Sit and Watch

[round owl]

Hahahahhaa

the eternal haters will forever be satisfied

Place down your super shotgun tower. It will always kill everything without you needing to aim it.

[magic spoke]

doom tower defense where it takes place before the doomslayer came

[round owl]

Doom tower Defense where you play as Azrak and the slayer is invading your screen

Battlemode 3.0

[obsidian shard]

DOOM: Board Game ahh

[round owl]

SLAYER INVASION IN PROGRESS

[obsidian shard]

we Have 3 DOOM Board Games now (1 With 2 version)

[round owl]

the next doom should be survival horror

You play as an imp

Call it Doom:Isolation

And the slayer just hunts you throughout the UAC

[elder raven]

i’d prefer a doom game that has you play as davoth

[worldly wigeon]

I appear

[warm ibex]

goated for including the Doom 3 boardgame

most people forget that one

[round owl]

Bet Hugo hasnt played it on stream

Someone should AI up an edit of him agreeing to play the Doom 3 board game on Halloween

[magic spoke]

when will hugo play the doom rpgs

[warm ibex]

I almost bought it not too long ago but it was more than $100 and wasn't sealed in any capacity. I'm not paying that much for a used board game

[obsidian shard]

Its apart of DOOM's Legacy
as little as I know about it, its there and even as bad some things get, everything should be kept known!

and Accesible

[harsh egret]

i saw someone selling it a few days ago not far from where I live, i was very close to giving an offer lmao

[round owl]

Does anyone find the threat indicators useful

[harsh egret]

im sure theres ppl out there that do yes

[round owl]

Do they cut down on the “what the hell was that” moments

[harsh egret]

i personally dont feel like having them on

so no not rly

[round owl]

I don’t want to ply with them but I do want to know what killed me

[obsidian shard]

Yes, helps me keep track of Projectiles, and enemies when I'm busy with A boss, a Super Heavy or high priority targets

[sudden stump]

For parryables definitely, but when they're turned on for all projectiles I find it too distracting since there's always shit being flung at you

[harsh egret]

in the base game u can see what demon killed u on the death screen unless u want that in the ripatorium

[obsidian shard]

Its not for everyone, but accesibilty settings are great!

[round owl]

High priority targets? Horde mode confirmed?

[round owl]

I know what demon but when it’s the whiplash tut when I haven’t even seen the whiplash it’s a bit hard to learn from it

Other than memorizing that there’s a whiplash

[round owl]

Didn’t know it had sub settings

[green estuary]

I never use them anymore, as I don’t really have issues knowing where I’m taking damage from

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[round owl]

:))))))))

They weren’t even called that were they

Bounty demons?

[green estuary]

bounty demons yeah

[frail bloom]

I did it!!

Hardest encounter yet

[stone jay]

Kinda, but because it's usually fodder and mainly stationary ones I find myself losing a lot of time chasing fodder to finish them off, made sadistic tricky as I can get everything in time but running around for cleanup takes too much time

Especially the final wave, too much fodder for me

[frail bloom]

The title is a little blunt but it's true

I posted it

[elder raven]

my trailers done 🎉

i must admit that when i upload this: im a better writer and photo editor more than i am a video editor

[warm ibex]

you put effort into something and made it happen, that's all that matters bro

[stray osprey]

what do yall think is the best rune personally i think its the knives

[unkempt dragon]

hi @warm ibex

[warm ibex]

hi!

[harsh egret]

gotta start somewhere! for me it was honestly really fun once i got more into it but all things take time

that "interesting..." at the end was hilarious tho, caught me off guard lmao

[elder raven]

thanks man

[elder raven]

thanks to sneakyjaycool i feel if i make more doom videos im going to be including it in most of them

thank you too

[magic spoke]

considering how ||thira is most likely going to die in the DLC|| i really hope they give her some more characterization

[obsidian shard]

It was peak dude, (full comment in your Ripatorium Pre-set Discussion)

[magic spoke]

BTW anyone else consider the destruction mechanics one of the highlights of the new engine?

[obsidian shard]

The loading times

[magic spoke]

its so satisfying to just walk through the wooden structures and having them tumble on you

[magic spoke]

loading times are extremely impressive i agree

especially when u consider eternal on ps4

[harsh egret]

blink it and you miss it

[magic spoke]

eternal really pushed the ps4 to its limits ngl

especially in processing

fact: hell knights without arms are FRIENDS

[red peak]

Yes

[magic spoke]

they look so happy to follow you around

[frail bloom]

Huh what makes you say that, how do yu think she'll die and to what

[magic spoke]

since shes a new character introduced in a prequel shes kinda in an arthur morgan situation

shes gonna be written out to avoid retconning

[frail bloom]

Sneaky you should play my new set(totally won't make you pull your hair out)

[frail bloom]

Ye I agree she has to die

[magic spoke]

not necessarily dying but in the lore is heavily implied novik had all his children die iirc

[frail bloom]

But I didn't expect it to be so early

[frail bloom]

Novik did what?

[magic spoke]

novik was the last king of the sentinels. if any of his children were alive the title wouldve been passed onto them

[frail bloom]

Ye but he didn't kill them

[magic spoke]

il

[frail bloom]

You meant novik and his children

[magic spoke]

ik mb on the wording

[frail bloom]

Alr alr

[magic spoke]

point is thira is either going to die or be written out to where she couldnt possibly be there during the events of eternal/tag

[frail bloom]

Oh ye for sure

[obsidian shard]

will do, after i finish what I'm doing

[obsidian shard]

i think civil war

[broken thunder]

Gentlemen, i give you the first glitch in ripatorium 2.0

aww cant share screen shots

anyways, the arena on Sadistic wave 5, completely full. Next everyone went to play bingo and now the arenas empty with the timer still running

and I ONLY killed the shield soldiers

[zinc flax]

i had that too

not on sadistic but custom preset

i have a recording as well

is there a bug report channel?

[broken thunder]

i dono I just made a ticket on bethesda and gonna DM josh

[uneven dragon]

Yea cause id software totally care about that

[wintry forge]

💀💀ong

[magic spoke]

i mean like lore has always been a big part of the nu doom trilogy even if its confusing lol

codex entries are a main collectible through out the games

[sudden stump]

Big part in the sense that it dictates what kind of places we go and what kind of bad guys we fight. Everything after that is blurry imo, hence why there's room for people to constantly speculate things which is fine

[unkempt dragon]

Don't be dm'ing Josh about ripatorium issues. The ticket to Bethesda as well as commenting on the game page would be sufficient enough.

[supple oracle]

I already experience this issue, I already report that yesterday, Id is aware of this issue right now no need to dm anyone

If anyone experience any game breaking bugs, make sure to Ping me

[broken thunder]

well an hour late..

but i get it

[obsidian shard]

I had one and Just skip a Whole Round

only happened once

[supple oracle]

Happened alot for me 4 times in last round in sadistic

[delicate stirrup]

I wonder if that gun the Night Sentinels use will become usable in the DLC

[broken thunder]

thatd be smart

I mean, interesting

[magic spoke]

i really hope they add an option for cinematic bars

[green estuary]

Man, cyberdemons and barons are really hard to integrate well together

I always underestimate just how obstructive those ground spikes are

[magic spoke]

honestly if i were to nerf one demon

itd be whiplash. why are those skinny fuckers tankier than hell knights

[green estuary]

Well, hell knights have been mega nerfed in this game

They’re the weakest heavy demon in terms of HP besides the imo stalkers

[magic spoke]

i can get that but u would think that a string bean demon like a whiplash, would have like half the hp of a brick house that is the hell knight yknow

like just by looking at them

[green estuary]

whiplashes are honestly pretty cool in this game and waaaay less bullshit than in eternal
The only complaint I’d have is how inconsistent their parryable projectiles are

[magic spoke]

empowered whiplashes are fucking horrible in my opinion

[green estuary]

ah yes, that narrow hallway in harbor of souls

[magic spoke]

or the first arena in resurrection (which is the best level imo)

if anyone could tell me the song that plays in that arena id really appreciate it

[green estuary]

Steel beyond the grave

Banger of a track

[magic spoke]

thank you so much my friend

[green estuary]

No problem

[fleet spruce]

I wake up and see Doom 64 was being disrespected, blasphemy

[warm ibex]

no D64 disrespect on our watch

[slender night]

Does anyone else think it's a little weird that the Ripatorium doesn't have any distinct Hell levels in it

[fleet spruce]

now that you have pointed that out

they need to add more arenas in general

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚛𝚞

[drowsy aurora]

My most hated Demons are Revs

[slender night]

Why? They look great and you can melee them to death easily

[drowsy aurora]

I’ve had runs on Pandemonium come to an end because of the combos that can happen with other enemies

[violet zealot]

𝙳𝚊𝚗𝚐

[drowsy aurora]

Like the moment you’re about to parry and your shield gets broken before they go for the hitscan attack

Resulting in a OHKO

Not to mention the insane tracking of the projectiles

[violet zealot]

𝚆𝚎𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚕𝚞𝚌𝚔𝚢 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚍𝚘 𝚒𝚝 𝚒𝚗 ultra nightmare 𝚖𝚘𝚍𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜 𝙸 𝚍𝚒𝚎𝚍 𝟸 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎𝚜 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖

𝙰𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚊𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚛𝚝 𝟸 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎𝚜

[slender night]

That is a very wide message

[drowsy aurora]

Revs are the sole reason I’m never attempting UN

[meager vortex]

master level doom eternal 5 of them

[violet zealot]

𝚃𝚛𝚞

[meager vortex]

maybe TDA master level is same thing?

[slender night]

Do you mean the amount of MLs TDA will get? I imagine more than 5 because the game has 22 levels now

[violet zealot]

𝙸 𝚑𝚘𝚙𝚎

[drowsy aurora]

Imagine having a run end because of jank RNG on an overturned enemy.

There are other annoying enemies too, but Revs are in line for worst in the game imo.

Sure they die quick…but they can go damage immune and are not easy to lockdown because of how mobile they are.

[meager vortex]

i think ripatorium2.0 maps is master level+horde mode

[slender night]

Don't you love jank RNG, an important aspect of any DOOM game

[violet zealot]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[drowsy aurora]

Not on a long game like this one xD

Even when skipping cutscenes, TDA is long

[slender night]

Long but still not enough content to justify the price point imo

[meager vortex]

ripatorium2.0 encounter preset add soon tunable i heard

maybe they add master level+ripatorium2.0

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[cerulean pagoda]

Hi

[harsh egret]

sup

[wheat sigil]

this could happen with literally any other enemy

revs are really good enemies

[green estuary]

There are multiple ways the force them out of their ghost state
The most obvious is heaven splitter, but almost as easy is the shield recall falter
Just throw your shield directly past them, then move slightly so that the rev is right between you and your shield. When you recall the shield, the rev will falter out of their ghost state

[green estuary]

I was about to say revs in this game are not overtuned at all

[wheat sigil]

you can just parry all their attacks in the ghost state

[harsh egret]

hopefully they're still considering randomizing the parryable projectiles on the revenant

[random sand]

when they go damage immune, they're about to do an attack that damages them if you parry it

[green estuary]

Yeah I’m not really sure what’s jank or rng about them

[random sand]

the revenant looks cool asf in tda but they're insanely easy to deal with. hell, alot of the time they don't even have time to do the ghost mode because i've already dashed over to them and blown them to bits with the super shotgun 😭

[small dew]

Yo chads

If I play on 500% damage taken and 50% dmg to slayer do I still get the skin on UN

[random sand]

modifying it doesn't matter. can make it piss easy and still get it

[small dew]

Bruh

[green estuary]

I wouldn’t call them insanely easy to deal with, given that shield bash + ssg carries an inherent risk
If they have any enemies near them, it’s entirely possible that the shield bash misses the intended target and you just get their ridiculous melee damage right in your face

[small dew]

I hate it like this bruh everyone can get it easily

[harsh egret]

also katsu I tried ur preset a couple times before i had to go do smth and first try i completed wave 4 and then i realised i still had 2 respawns on that wave from samir's preset and then i died

[green estuary]

[random sand]

well not everyone knows about it but yeah

[cerulean pagoda]

Modifying doesn't matter you get the skin anyway

[wheat sigil]

ok and? does that matter?

[green estuary]

It’s whatever

[cerulean pagoda]

Not that I have an issue with it

It's a single player game

[random sand]

if i shield bash someone else, they're likely close to the rev. meaning i can just walk up to the rev and shoot it in the face. any other demon try to attack me i block/parry them and then go back to the rev if i have to

[green estuary]

The problem with that is the rev only will falter if it is the primary target of the shield bash
And its AI will always melee you if you get too close

[wheat sigil]

they are definitely one of the easiest demons to deal with

[random sand]

not if i shoot first

[green estuary]

You can still hit them with an ssg blast, but they won’t falter from that alone

[random sand]

then i shoot them again

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-idk-i-dont-know-obama-gif-15684252

What kind of revs are you playing with lmao

[random sand]

Regular ones. What, are they supposed to do an insane dodge move, get behind me and stab me or sum?😭

At best if they don't die from the ssg shot, they'll move to a different position and do the ghost move

[green estuary]

No, if you miss the shield bash then they literally melee the hell out of you before you can shoot them

I’m shocked you’ve never experienced this

[random sand]

From my experience they only attack twice with their weapons then do something else

[green estuary]

You still kill them, but you take huge damage

[wheat sigil]

missing your shield bash isn't a particularly big risk tbf

[random sand]

It recharges quickly too so i can just use it again if needed

[random sand]

You got a shield. Use it

[green estuary]

[wheat sigil]

it can't really soak up any damage at all

[wheat sigil]

if you miss your shield bash it can be fine, but you can also get fuked

[green estuary]

Having a broken shield is worse than eating the damage yourself at least half the time

[random sand]

It soaks up some. Breaks from heavy attacks or rapid ones

[green estuary]

Especially after they increased the recovery time with update 2

[random sand]

Depends on how you handle the situation

[green estuary]

If you miss the shield bash, one of two things will happen: the rev melees you and you block it and lose your shield, or the rev melees you and you eat a boatload of damage

[frail bloom]

I'll make a rev encounter just for you my man

[random sand]

Just gonna spam it with 30 of 'em of sum?😭

[frail bloom]

Noooooo

[wheat sigil]

no it depends a lot on circumstances

[frail bloom]

I think if you have a bunch of mortar mancs and revs you're gonna be in a lot of trouble

Lots of areas of denial that slow you down plus rev tracking projectiles

And then add a cyberdemon for those spikes

Ripatorium idea

[harsh egret]

oh man i got a good idea for my next preset

[frail bloom]

What idea?

[harsh egret]

its gonna be so troll

[slender night]

Ripatorium is dope I like fighting Pinkies so I filled an arena with them

[frail bloom]

I wanna know

[harsh egret]

im not sayin it

[frail bloom]

I like spamming enemies that give you easy parries

[harsh egret]

ruins the surprise and gives other the idea

[frail bloom]

Most satisfying thing ever

[frail bloom]

I'm gonna beat it

[harsh egret]

eeehh

[frail bloom]

Unless you spam like all the superheavies then maaayybe not

[harsh egret]

what i wanna do is so broken u have no idea

[frail bloom]

Yur def gonna spam all the superheavies

[harsh egret]

but will have to tone it down, no point in having a troll round that just fks u over fully

[random sand]

It's both

[green estuary]

Honestly the most busted enemy combo in this game is barons + any area denial enemy

[frail bloom]

Ye have you played ahzraks final stand by dinoheretic

I'm having a tough time beating it

[green estuary]

Not yet

[frail bloom]

Bc round 3 is 3 barons, an acolyte and 2 cacos and the respawn count is 2

[slender night]

The hell is an Acolyte even

[frail bloom]

Scum of the earth

[slender night]

I see them in the codex and as a toy but I have literally never seen them in combat

[frail bloom]

They're trash

[green estuary]

Doesn’t sound particularly fun

[frail bloom]

I'm not having much fun no

[green estuary]

3 barons is overkill in pretty much any scenario

Especially when you’ve got cacos and acolytes screwing you over at the same time

[frail bloom]

I mean mine had 3 barons but it wasn't with an area of denial enemy and 2 enemies that can one tap you with their seeking projectile

And I can't use the bfc apparently cuz the last round is the hardest

Does anyone have a pic of Belias

A full pic

[red peak]

Whos Belias?

[frail bloom]

Er guy with the witch and ahzrak

He advises ahzrak and stuff

[red peak]

Ohh, the priest?

[frail bloom]

Yes

[mystic barn]

That’s the fun bit!

[alpine pilot]

Where doom

[frail bloom]

Anyone have belias?

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1441456807036846152/1441827865166483517/DTDA-Belias-Codex.jpg?ex=69233656&is=6921e4d6&hm=8ee81c27b4123334f4950de354f3a6b9a5ea88f4773d138cf0e2583094e10e3a&

[frail bloom]

Thank you king🙏

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/rLmz_Lv7aao

rip and tear

[meager vortex]

he will be dlc boss

[frail bloom]

@obsidian shard I saw you post your manc thumbnail, if you want it to appear in the ripatorium gallery you should put it in the original post

If you want to

It's for da pizazz

[violet zealot]

𝙸 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝

[violet zealot]

𝙾𝚑𝚑𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝'𝚜 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎

𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚝'𝚜 𝚌𝚘𝚘𝚕

https://tenor.com/view/breakfast-club-sunglasses-meme-cool-rad-gif-16058496886766323341

[tall nymph]

did id ever nerf dreadmace + gound fissure combo?

[frail bloom]

Yes

[violet zealot]

𝙳𝚊𝚗𝚐

[cerulean pagoda]

Yea that tech was gone

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/illumination-asian-man-enlightened-oh-okay-gif-16379366

josh tagged my ripatorium post

[frail bloom]

Congrats!

[elder raven]

thanks man

[frail bloom]

Today is just gonna be me trying to beat all y'alls presets

Except dinoheretics I'm saving them for last

They're on another tier

[obsidian shard]

Have fun

[slender night]

[Answering Samir's question to me about TDA's story in #doom-eternal ]
Definitively an improvement over Eternal! There's actual storytelling now instead of having everything stuck behind lengthy and convoluted codex pages. It also fixed my issues with the Slayer as a character, and I like the final act where you just fuck shit up for Hell. Only thing I really disliked is that they pulled the chosen one shit again for Thira, because I am not a fan of chosen one storylines, but I have hope the DLC will do good with this

[frail bloom]

I agree!

[slender night]

Harbor of Souls has an awesome premise

[frail bloom]

Thira was a mcguffin!

Glad you liked it Anome

[slender night]

I did, and thanks. Gameplay is dope too, I specifically really enjoy fighting the Pinkies and Vagaries

[frail bloom]

Bruh we're so similar

Vagaries are my fav enemy

They should remake more Doom 3 enemies

Imo

[slender night]

Bruiser hopefully

[frail bloom]

Def

[slender night]

I'd like to see the DOOM 3 Imp again but that would make this game have five different Imps. Maybe if they ever decide to do demon skins?

[scenic lichen]

I hope gargoyles come back in the DLC, yes even though they’re fodder enemies it’d be cool to see them again considering how iirc gargoyles are said to have plagued the sentinel guard for centuries (just no more fence projectiles please!)

[slender night]

A Gargoyle enemy in a medieval id Software game... where have I seen that before...

[harsh egret]

starting to regret having a caco in my preset

them cacos are so stupid with the bugged attack lol

[frail bloom]

Ruh roh

[solemn snow]

Agreed, Caco's are usually a top priority for me due to their inconsistencies

[harsh egret]

ye mine spawned more in the back and then i went around a couple corners and i just get shit on by a random flying arrow when the sound effect for it didnt even properly start im like

[bitter dagger]

BFG division or unchained predator? What do you guys prefer?

[wintry forge]

BFG division

[bitter dagger]

W

[fleet spruce]

Into the Void

[frosty roost]

back from shower

into the void, unchained predator and unholy siege

[green estuary]

Definitely bfg division, though unchained predator isn’t close to TDA’s best track

[slender night]

Infernal Chasm and Ancestral Beast are awesome

[alpine pilot]

unholy siege or get ripped and teared

[uneven dragon]

[mystic barn]

From the Ashes

Ooh, or Battle on the Blackened Tide

[uneven dragon]

I prefer Erebus Intro from Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil thanks for asking

[frail bloom]

Guys he asked bfg division or unchained predator lol

Me personally bfg division between the two

But unchained predator is very close

very close

[mystic barn]

I'm deliberately choosing not to answer the question lol

[frail bloom]

I gotta give mick a dub every once and a while

[random sand]

Unchained predator. Next question

[slender night]

Mick is a great composer

It's kind of weird some people say that his music would not fit for TDA at all, like, guys, he's not a one-trick pony, look at his work for Wolfenstein, he could definitely make something that fits TDA's vibe

I do enjoy Finishing Move's take though and they did great

[frail bloom]

I think those ppl are saying that his style for eternal and 2016 wouldn't fit, not that him as a composer isn't up to the task, he def is

And by "his style" I'm guessing heavy focus on djent and synth stuff

[slender night]

I've seen people claim he as a composer would not fit

[frail bloom]

Well those ppl are wrong

WRONG

[random sand]

It's funny. Atlan battleground sounds like something Mick would make for this game. What he did for 2016 and eternal wouldn't fit but i think he could do something if he was still doing it

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1441899231831920650/image.png?ex=692378ce&is=6922274e&hm=5684692cd5d50204937ae445ef25e12a4d2de795be54007170323a6c1f5916c7

[slender night]

He definitely could, he's a diverse composer. TNO, TOB, TNC, 2016 and Eternal all have distinct styles and I think he'd cook for TDA

[random sand]

As tda's biggest soundtrack defender, infernal chasm is overrated

[slender night]

Facing the Spider vs Nobody Told Me About Id is the harder question I feel

[warm ibex]

my favorite track in the franchise

[harsh egret]

holy shit thank god im not the only one

[random sand]

Glad you like it

[random sand]

Lmao

[warm ibex]

LMAO

that's a funny response, I like that

[random sand]

I've brought my A-Game

[slender night]

Infernal Chasm played a hand in me getting TDA

I was like "huh, I heard this track's good, I'll probably not play the game for a long time so I might as well listen" and the cinematic intro was so awesome I was like ok I need to play this game

[random sand]

It was unchained predator and WTSFL for me. Then again, don't think we had heard infernal chasm yet when i got the game

[slender night]

Do we have any other Ancestral Beast fans? It plays in the level where you free The Old One

It's a remix of Nobody Told Me About Id

[frail bloom]

Finally someone acknowledges that amazing orchestral bit with the choir

Violin is awesome

Or whatever string instrument it is

[random sand]

Never payed much attention to it so i dont remember it

[slender night]

I liked Mick's music in 2016 and Eternal but the string instruments in TDA blew me away more than the bass boosted farts did

[frail bloom]

Quite literally bass boosted farts

Anyone remember the fart machine for cultist base

Classic Mick

[slender night]

Oh you, Mick!

[mystic barn]

Don't even start

[warm ibex]

the orchestral elements are the best part

[harsh egret]

yes i like it alot actually

[random sand]

I wanna, but i'll lay off

[harsh egret]

shame the komodo stuff wasnt in the ost version

[slender night]

I didn't even know there was a Komodo theme because in the boss fight with it it all gets drowned out by me shooting everything I have

[warm ibex]

the komodo stuff would've been in the ost version if it hadn't turned around and ran away

[harsh egret]

LOL

[random sand]

It's actually interesting. People say Mick was so much better and FM shouldn't have taken over and all that but i honestly there are more songs i like from FM than i like from Mick. I think i can count the songs i like from Mick on 1 hand

[slender night]

Alright buddy your hand must have like 20 fingers

[harsh egret]

literally same lol apart from that last point

[random sand]

Checked. It has 5

[slender night]

Damn it

[warm ibex]

I've said this before but I think they should change composers after every few games. We'd never have FinishingPeak if Mick wasn't gone, and who knows what we could get if other talented artists put their spin on the franchise

[frail bloom]

Nvm I read the context

[slender night]

Well they HAVE been doing that...

Prince for DOOM and DOOM II, Hodges for 64, Vrenna for 3, Mick for 2016 and Eternal, Hulshult for TAG and D+D2, and now Finishing Move

[uneven dragon]

It’s way better in game than on the album imo

[warm ibex]

exactly. Intentional or not, swapping composers is a part of Doom's DNA and a big part of the reason why the entries are so distinct

[random sand]

From Mick i like TOTTFIY, meathook, hellwalker, bfg division and hell on earth

From FM i like unchained predator, atlan battleground, from the ashes, WTSFL, unholy siege, blood siege and into the void

[harsh egret]

yh but isnt the change in style of music mostly correlated to what id is asking of the artists?

[warm ibex]

also don't forget levy

[slender night]

Not even the Eternal main theme? One of the best pieces of music from the franchise?

[random sand]

Either that or they could have multiple composers

[uneven dragon]

• L.A Sieben, Tom Mustaine, Jonathan El-Bizri, Josh Martel, Technoman, Clint Mansell, Frederik Wiedmann, Chris Hite, David Levy, Joshua Richardson, Buckethead, James Paddock, Thorr and Xaser 🤓

[warm ibex]

you can't tell me mick gordon would've produced the same tracks as finishing move

the style of each individual artist/group is what makes the soudntracks what they are

[slender night]

Alright fam I definitely didn't mention Hodges yeah

[harsh egret]

not the same but id would want something different from him either way and it would end up different even if its the same artist

[slender night]

Clint Mansell was for the movie also 🤓

[uneven dragon]

I copied the list from another message and forgot to remove him </3

[slender night]

TNT's OST is awesome so the first three guys should get more recognition

Sadistic is still one of the best Classic DOOM themes

[warm ibex]

I think you're mostly missing the point. Which makes sense, I think we've had this conversation before and you were adamant that they shouldn't take the risk of changing composers again

[uneven dragon]

they should make me the next composer and I’ll figure it out as I go

[warm ibex]

Changing the style isn't the point. Giving new artists the chance to put their spin on Doom is the point

[harsh egret]

personally i wouldnt care, more so to spare the game from getting hate for everything and anything again and again

[rotund rune]

@hard thistle https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/CIn60kihzT

What is he talking about?

[harsh egret]

but maybe i shouldnt care about that and just say fuck em

[slender night]

Do you guys know how ChatGPT images are getting more and more yellow because it keeps feeding on its own data and all that stuff is yellow tinted? I imagine in like 30 years DOOM will be like that because of the insane amount of references to older music that the new games have

We're gonna have a Frankenstein OST

[uneven dragon]

Yeah this is why I no longer gaf abt music references in doom 😭😭

[warm ibex]

I think this is the way. Mick Gordon junkies aren't gonna like it no matter what, no point in trying to please them

[rotund rune]

I don't think it was ever said that the TDA suit is better than the 2016 one

[uneven dragon]

Ppl saying the menu of TDA’s DLC should reference random Doom II songs because uh it’d just be cool ok!!!

[slender night]

Amount of references to older music the NuWolfs have: 0
Amount of references to older music the NuDOOMs have: 100

At least they're often used in such a way you can't really tell they're remixes or they're not shoehorned in

[frail bloom]

Ye like message for the archvile

Bc it's eerie

[harsh egret]

ur obsessed with that one huh

[uneven dragon]

Also Mick putting in references has made people hear basic melodies and go FUCKKK ITS A REFERENCE TO HIDING THE SECRETS AND SADISTIC AND CRYSTALLINE CHAOS FUCKKK

[mystic barn]

In fairness, I think some of the claimed references are just someone mishearing something (most of the NotAKeyring video about references is just flat out wrong). I've made that mistake. For about a month, I was convinced the melody in From the Ashes and Battle on the Blackened Tide was a reorchestrated version of E1M1

[frail bloom]

So?

[harsh egret]

no i dont mean it like that lol

[slender night]

Samir's so real for that honestly, Message for the Arch-vile slaps

[uneven dragon]

[slender night]

How many of them are ones we're yet to find 🤔

[frail bloom]

I just appreciate bobby prince I'm a bobby prince enthusiast

[uneven dragon]

I want to believe 👽 the crystalline chaos one is true tho

[slender night]

Bobby Prince is awesome and it sucks that that's apparently a thing people don't say much

[warm ibex]

I like the genre of Doom fan that seems to care more about Mick using lawnmowers and chainsaws than they care about the actual music lol

[silent surge]

the sadistic ripatorium challenge - there’s a ton of fodder. does anyone do no BFC for it?

[silent surge]

as if finishing move and andrew and david didn’t do cool stuff

[slender night]

Entire Wolf3D OST is great

[warm ibex]

that too, it's not exclusive to mick

[uneven dragon]

I think references in the ost is fun but it only works if there’s like a reason

[mystic barn]

When he only used a lawnmower in TOTTFIY and a chainsaw in Hellwalker, and that's it

[silent surge]

bass that mimicked ocean waves in UACA

[frail bloom]

I like them used for story purposes or to evoke a certain feeling

[silent surge]

5 min is pretty quick for sadistic

[uneven dragon]

You want Message For The Archvile TDA DLC Menu I don’t wanna hear it

[silent surge]

kangling for exultia

[slender night]

Yeah the way Sentinel Prime uses a remix of Sign of Evil is really cool and it works for the level

[frail bloom]

The reason why I'm adamant on message for the archvile, or waiting for romero to play, is bc they're eerie tracks

[uneven dragon]

i like his ass blaster device

[frail bloom]

They give a feeling of lost time

That's a strong feeling

[harsh egret]

"woooaaaahhh my goat mic gordens used a lawnmower and made it sound all distorted to the point to which you can record any other sounds and make it sound the exact same wooaaaaaawwww"

[slender night]

Kinda unrelated but listening to Mick's music and trying to decipher it from a composer perspective is so weird. It feels like he often throws random shit into the track but it somehow all ends up sounding good

[frail bloom]

I'm ok with it being an ambient or combat thing too

[obsidian shard]

People forgetting about Finishing Moves death Machine 😭

Or a literal metal statue

[elder raven]

heres a debate question: andrew hulshult or david levy

i cant pick one

[obsidian shard]

Both

[mystic barn]

David Levy

[uneven dragon]

I like both

[slender night]

Neither because the audio mixing on TAG Is so bad I literally only remember the music I listened to online

[harsh egret]

andrew hulshult, respectfully

[obsidian shard]

Dusk OST my beloved

[uneven dragon]

Dude I had to play that shit SFX 15 MUSIC 100

[harsh egret]

main reason cuz ive listened to and loved his stuff from other games too

[obsidian shard]

Eternal Suffers the same thing but not as bad

[uneven dragon]

dude tag is just fucked ok It’s just fucked

[slender night]

Chris Vrenna is also overlooked

[obsidian shard]

Very true

[uneven dragon]

There’s a bug where beating Maligog just destroys the audio until you reboot the game and it still isn’t patched

[elder raven]

who’s that

[slender night]

DOOM 3 theme is fire and the Quake Champions theme is just absolute peak

[uneven dragon]

I know the tone of the game doesn’t rly allow for it but I wish like one other metal song was in the campaign somewhere

[obsidian shard]

All the Composers are just Awesome, Not a Single Bad or Average OST

[elder raven]

no im just fucking with everyone

i love doom 3

[frail bloom]

Legacy of rust is also cool

[slender night]

Well okay I personally think IDKFA falls under average

[frail bloom]

I really liked the dave d taylor blue remix

[mystic barn]

Oy vey

[uneven dragon]

Yeah honestlyyy maybe my favourite Doom OST

[frail bloom]

Felt like an action movie thing

[harsh egret]

[obsidian shard]

Just Above average for me, but it's still good

[uneven dragon]

I’m mixed on IDKFA I’m unsure

[warm ibex]

exactly this lmao

-# goes a long way in showing how performative this community can be

[uneven dragon]

Sign of Evil in IDKFA is fucking amazing but then you have like the most comedic heavy metal covers of songs that weren’t like that at all that u just have to giggle

[slender night]

It's all samey, I like listening to them in short bursts but when I'm playing I don't like to use IDKFA over the original

[uneven dragon]

When I first heard Countdown to Death in IDKFA I lowk burst out laughing

[frail bloom]

Imagine hearing "the skeleton world" as a big vassago exits a volcano and you gotta fight it

Idk just awesome visual

[mystic barn]

I feel that way about DUSK

[elder raven]

i still have yet to play legacy of rudt

[frail bloom]

Good luck

It's tough, and tuff

[uneven dragon]

Also this might just be me but DOOM (as in the doom 2 song) in IDKFA sounds good but it’s really hard to actually hear the iconic melody in it

[obsidian shard]

My OST Ranking is Cooked

1. TDA/ Eternal
2. DOOM
3. DOOM (2016)
4. DOOM II
5. DOOM3
6. DOOM 64

[harsh egret]

is tag included in eternal there

[obsidian shard]

I agree Dusk is VERY Samey but it's still banging,

[obsidian shard]

Yes

[uneven dragon]

Man I love the Dusk ost 😭😭😭🥹

[obsidian shard]

(game rips)

[slender night]

Combining TDA and Eternal into one ranking? Don't give me that, I want answers

[hard thistle]

They hadn't planned TDA when they made 2016 + he likely lost the TDA armor by the time he was stranded in Hell.

[mystic barn]

I take issue with the repetition. Departure to Destruction is the same thing over and over

[uneven dragon]

[hard thistle]

Hey. DUSK's soundtrack rules. Don't say these things.

[obsidian shard]

I agree, Hand Canon as well, Keepers of the Gate is my Favorite for a reason

[uneven dragon]

I lowk don’t remember the name of my favourite Dusk track rn so I can’t say

Erebus Reaction or whatever it’s called is a highlight for me but the entire level is good so

[obsidian shard]

HOW DARE YOU

[uneven dragon]

THEYRE GOOD I JUST DONT REMEMBER THEIR NAMES

[elder raven]

an underrated tda track is divine retribution

[uneven dragon]

I replayed Dusk recently it’s so fucking fire I love that game

[mystic barn]

Keepers of the Gate has the opposite issue where there's no chorus whatsoever. That melody at the end keeps me wanting for more. Nowhere is just sensational, but I'd really love a chorus

[obsidian shard]

Real, For me it's Pursuit of Demons

[harsh egret]

💯

[elder raven]

im gonna listen to that one again rn hang on

[uneven dragon]

this is unrelated but given we’re talking about new blood I find it hard to listen to most of the early Ultrakill ost now 😭

idk why my brain just doesn’t vibe with it anymore

[elder raven]

i cant listen to ultrakill ost besides cyber grind and the gabriel one

[uneven dragon]

I can listen to the ost from after Hakita got more experienced that’s still good

[obsidian shard]

My Friend LOVES the OST, but all i hear are those 2

[uneven dragon]

Like Violence has a banging ost

[elder raven]

its a bit too scratchy + noisy for me idk how to describe it

[uneven dragon]

Panic Betrayer is still a highlight from the early levels just cause of how different it is

[rotund rune]

Yeah but the game doesn't confirm tda armor is superior. I guess he's saying that only based on gameplay?

[obsidian shard]

Clearly all of these OST's are mid Compared to "Fight Songs: The Music of TF2"

[slender night]

Lowkey though TF2's OST is so good

Shame I literally never feel like playing the game because it's not my taste

[obsidian shard]

Cause IT IS GOOD

[rotund rune]

Titanfall 2???

[obsidian shard]

Tea For Two

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-team-fortress2-uber-ubercharge-gif-25046063

[uneven dragon]

lowk haven’t played tf2 since I moved steam accounts so my genuine wilson and proof of purchase are just rotting on my old one

[obsidian shard]

I wanna Own the Dusk OST on Vinyl, but that Price man + Shipping

40 dollar shipping can bite it

[harsh egret]

spends 2k on the prime1 statues but 100 dollars is too much

[uneven dragon]

Ok but none of these soundtracks compare to the ost of BRAZILIAN DRUG DEALER 3: I OPENED A PORTAL TO HELL IN THE FAVELA TRYING TO REVIVE MIT AIA I NEED TO CLOSE IT

[harsh egret]

thought u were rich smh

[warm ibex]

this is a unique ranking, I can't remember the last time I saw anyone put a classic Doom OST over any of the modern ones. Excellent work, I'm proud of you

[frail bloom]

What crazy person puts 3 cacos and 3 barons in the same arena with max revenants

[obsidian shard]

I bought a Bootleg for a reason

[harsh egret]

a crazy person

[warm ibex]

lmao

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

[harsh egret]

[obsidian shard]

and 600$ on a board game

[harsh egret]

600????

[obsidian shard]

Im not rich
im just bad with my money

[harsh egret]

sameee

[obsidian shard]

Exchange rates

330 £ is 608 CAD

[harsh egret]

ahhh CAD

makes sense

[obsidian shard]

Only issue with DOOM merch

[elder raven]

only issue with doom merch is that there’s not enough

[obsidian shard]

Thank god for that
poor fallout fans

[slender night]

No actually there is an issue

[harsh egret]

didnt they tweet about a new slayer mini version and but its nowhere to be found

[slender night]

I remember when they dropped pants that were literally just any other pants but with a DOOM logo

[elder raven]

i mean more ‘fun’ merch

[obsidian shard]

They fixed that, it was in the Fallout section lmao

[elder raven]

like plushes, magnets and etc

[obsidian shard]

https://gear.bethesda.net/products/doom-the-dark-ages-slayer-mini-collectible-figure-divinity-variant?_pos=45&_fid=4350fa5f9&_ss=c

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1441908569606848643/image.png?ex=69238180&is=69223000&hm=9981cb86b2ccc9361a32c1a821a47c1bad368230b5498188d43db3d4088b21e6&
represent 💪

[slender night]

No they were red

[elder raven]

this is ass

[harsh egret]

lmao

[slender night]

https://gear.bethesda.net/products/doom-slazy-day-lounge-pants

These ones? I think?

[harsh egret]

also why was the normal mini like 60% off or smth a few weeks ago and now on black friday its only like 20% off

[slender night]

Like this just looks like when you light your finger up with a flashlight

[harsh egret]

i mean those r better tbf than just plain black ones

[harsh egret]

ahhahahahah

[slender night]

Idk plain black ones are an industry standard, it's kind of like showing you like this game. Ones that try to have more personality but are still generic are worse imo

[obsidian shard]

Holy peak

The Pants and Shirts just ain't it

[harsh egret]

idk man i love doom with all my heart but i would never wear big doom logo on my sweatpants anywhere

[obsidian shard]

Lmao ya

[slender night]

The one they did recently that was a crossover between RAGE, DOOM, Wolfenstein and Quake was really cool

It's just really stupid they didn't do Heretic... literally so close to having them all, PLUS this was right after the remaster so it would have been perfect

[obsidian shard]

id signature series was really good too

[warm ibex]

id signature series was spectacular, but not a step closer to what the fanchise actually needs imo

[slender night]

The DOOM Anthology steelbook was complete ass

[obsidian shard]

Like a Serrat plush with removable Spear

[harsh egret]

we need doom legos

[obsidian shard]

Keep dreaming

[elder raven]

nvm then

[harsh egret]

i would buy every single one no hesitation

[elder raven]

it would be so awesome

[slender night]

I don't wanna constantly be negative here because I love this franchise but a plain black steelbook containing 6 different games with really cool cover art is terrible

[obsidian shard]

TDA steel book?

[slender night]

DOOM Anthology

[elder raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/32mdSIxPo7

[harsh egret]

holy shit

[obsidian shard]

Yes but basically the TDA steel book

[warm ibex]

like shelf space at stores. imo it's a little silly that doom has practically no merch at casual retailers despite being incredibly popular and iconic

[slender night]

That Daisy plush was really cool and is the dark humor I think DOOM should be doing more of

[elder raven]

give me an ahzrak figure

[warm ibex]

give me ANY demon figure

[elder raven]

give me a davoth figure

[slender night]

That doesn't cost a kidney

[elder raven]

i will collect them all

sell them like those marvel legends

[warm ibex]

even if it's from mcfarlane, I'll take whatever. I want a $25 Imp Stalker or Cyberdemon or Cosmic Baron

[elder raven]

HaydenGPT generate me a doom hunter figure

[slender night]

For some reason I've been wanting a 3D collectible Quake prop for a while and I'd love to buy something like that but it's admittedly really useless and would probably sell terribly

[slender night]

Brochacho brosaurus really couldn't even say VEGA 💔 💔

[elder raven]

okay million dollar idea

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1441910698358739095/image.png?ex=6923837b&is=692231fb&hm=1da8c6b2612b32ffa060281e9530368add6bcf735ba17673e1230efde0af8a39&
dont u want this?

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-dies-gif-24297438

[slender night]

Get that shit out of my face

[elder raven]

doom nerf

[slender night]

Just go to a gun store

[elder raven]

gun stores dont have the plasma rifle

[harsh egret]

145 DOLLARRRSSS

EUROS*

[warm ibex]

honestly I'd totally buy the normal non-gold version. The limited run collection this comes from has a lot of good shit but like most LRG products it's disgustingly overpriced

the full collection is $666, ha ha funny meme number ha ha

[harsh egret]

its gonna be one of those that will go on sale to like 30 dollars

if the slayer mini dropped to 35 euros this should drop to 15

[obsidian shard]

Precisely my point for the Serrat one

[slender night]

If the number we associated with Hell was something like 111 then DOOM merch would be a lot cheaper but we'd also get less updates

[obsidian shard]

DOOM Vs Fallout Merch is Crazy

45 for DOOM
150 FOR fallout

[warm ibex]

I'm waiting for the gamingheads mini slayer. That'll probably be like $60 and bigger than the gear store mini

[elder raven]

i’d love a restart of those doom collectible toys but for dark ages this time

[obsidian shard]

I wish for a Manc one

[elder raven]

i want a cosmic baron toy

[harsh egret]

are they doing a tda one?

[obsidian shard]

All of them were actually made but only half were sold

[slender night]

Honestly? I don't like buying merch but I'd absolutely buy a figure of the DOOM 3 Hell Knight like the figure they did for the TDA collector's edition

[elder raven]

not all of them were made iirc

[warm ibex]

nothing has been announced but I reckon they will

[harsh egret]

iirc they have no plans in doing them

[warm ibex]

yeah I'd like a numskull line of TDA minis

[elder raven]

oh my god old one toy

[obsidian shard]

Yup, No idea why they never released and made the rest of Eternal

I know QA wasn't the best

[slender night]

Is there a Cacodemon one? Asking for a rather obvious reason

[warm ibex]

they had no plans as of six months ago, I suppose plans could change. I don't think it's the most likely though unfortunately

[elder raven]

there is

[obsidian shard]

Fucking glued wayyyy too many together

[slender night]

How much.

[elder raven]

its your pfp lol

[obsidian shard]

Yup, I own it!

[obsidian shard]

40-60$

Depends where you go

[elder raven]

caco is the most expensive one i think

[slender night]

Damn okay that's actually affordable. I'll have to look at shipping

[obsidian shard]

DOOM Hunter and Mancubus are

[warm ibex]

are you talking about eternal or TDA? there's no TDA caco figure at the moment

[slender night]

Eternal

[warm ibex]

ah okay good

[slender night]

Look at my pfp homie!! I'd love to hold this in my hands!!

Literally me

[silent surge]

@neon perch when you did Sadistic no BFC, what was the time left on the clock? and what game speed

[elder raven]

also million dollar idea: macfarlane figures for the unique skins in eternal like the cultist, maykr, or the 64 skin

[silent surge]

without bfc and 100% game speed, even no slow mo, i don’t have enough time

[obsidian shard]

Trillion dollar ideaz Give the brand to someone else

[elder raven]

HOW

https://youtu.be/WXjQN1GhXJA?si=blHa9BWTYs85J633

this would be an awesome figure if it was maybe a little bit smaller