the-dark-ages

[harsh egret]

@obsidian shard they are showing your trailer on stream dudeeee

hell yeah

[frosty pine]

We need more doom plushes

I would buy a classic doomguy one

[obsidian shard]

Holy shit

I'm out rn

[cerulean pagoda]

I wish tda got an award

[obsidian shard]

I wanna see the stream now

[warm ibex]

this is awesome

all three of us

[elder raven]

hato

[frail bloom]

Hato u used my favorite segment from unholy siege

W

[harsh egret]

lmfao damn

[elder raven]

just got an idea for my own ripatorium concept from that title @harsh egret

[warm ibex]

blasted my ears out but it's peak lmao

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/concert-crowd-dino-dinosaur-dinosaur-concert-gif-7302459712020757639

[harsh egret]

hahahahah yeah that blew my ears

[frail bloom]

Oh man I want to make my own trailer now

I gotta, GOTTA finish my animation rn so I can hop on and make my trailer

[elder raven]

whats your animation

[frail bloom]

I have like a week and a half

[wintry forge]

Nice edits guys!

[frail bloom]

Rn I'm doing the slayer vs the classic archvile

[elder raven]

i wanna see it

when your done

[frail bloom]

[green estuary]

it upsets me that hugo just swings the mace whenever instead of waiting for a falter window

[harsh egret]

"the code sharing is in beta" hmm

[mystic barn]

Interesting

[frail bloom]

Oh yes!

Maybe it'll get better on console

[harsh egret]

tho josh said its impossible to have one code for all the rounds apparently so i wonder what really would be added to that

[cerulean pagoda]

I do that sometimes and it works most of the time

Just hit the mace a little bit before a hell surge attack and it hits with a falter too

[harsh egret]

we gonna be here a while

[cerulean pagoda]

I ain't watching I'm playing the game myself

[stray osprey]

man feels like the music is kinda silent when i play

[warm ibex]

I'd imagine more efficient codes

[cerulean pagoda]

Turn up the volume

It works

[green estuary]

then turn the music volume up

[stray osprey]

i did that alot

[green estuary]

ok, then do it some more

[frail bloom]

Still?

[harsh egret]

lmao the music is not low unless ur system audio is set to low

[green estuary]

reduce the other sound effect volume and just crank up your system volume
easy problem to fix

[frail bloom]

How do ppl still have the music too quiet

[stray osprey]

could be focusing more on gameplay then the music that might be the issue

just nothing kinda stands out

[cerulean pagoda]

I have the music volume at max with se at 30 and voices at zero

[frail bloom]

That's funny

[stray osprey]

?

[frail bloom]

Wdym

[cerulean pagoda]

My phones gonna die so bye

[frail bloom]

If it's too quiet raise the volume

Idk how, bc it's set at 80%

And the music module plays correctly now

So maybe smt on your end

[harsh egret]

turn up ur system volume, then do like max music and lower the other stuff lol

to like 50-60% maybe

and music up 80-100%

[stray osprey]

just cant really feel the music no matter the volume

[harsh egret]

thats crazy

[frail bloom]

Ye that's crazy

It's a very rhythmic ost

Heavily focused on strong beats

[green estuary]

okay, then complain about the music and not the volume

you made it sound like you were having a technical issue

[stray osprey]

well i just could not hear the music that much

althought the starting menu music is a banger gotta admit

[frail bloom]

I'm getting a feeling that you're talking abt the music itself

[stray osprey]

might be both idk

[harsh egret]

just lower everything but the music then?

[frail bloom]

You'll get used to it

It serves the gameplay well

[stray osprey]

it does

[frail bloom]

Very rhythmic, syncs with your parries

Dark ages is an fps guitar hero

[stray osprey]

thats a good way to describe it

its my fav of the series

[frail bloom]

I hope you're able to fix your issue

Have you listened to the ost by itself yet?

[stray osprey]

a couple like the slayers theme its pretty solid

[frail bloom]

I recommend listening to the entire ost, and if you want to hear the cooler parts that were left out, I recommend TheDinosaurHeretic's remixes on youtube

He has the full ost remixed and available as FLAC downloads

For that better audio quality that youtube is not known for

[stray osprey]

nice

unrelated i hated the levels where i had to go in the cosmic ocean creeps me out i played subnautica beforehand

[frail bloom]

That was the intention!

[wintry forge]

He’s got the best mix of Blood Red imo, as well as Into the Void

[frail bloom]

He's a W for sure

[stray osprey]

they suceeded in making me feel uneasy thats for sure even playing with all the modifiers that made it downright unfair for demons i still got creeped out

[frail bloom]

Ye I like when doom gets creepy

Or unsettling

They should do it more, don't you think?

[cerulean pagoda]

doom having somewhat of a horror element kinda fits

[frail bloom]

It's been a bit goofy or blockbuster-y as of late

Except that khalim intro

[cerulean pagoda]

doom 3 despite being disliked implemented it quite well

in the new games you are the horror

[frail bloom]

Ye but I wanna be scared too still

[harsh egret]

i love the atmosphere and vibe of 2016

[stray osprey]

they should

[harsh egret]

i think thats like the perfect sweet spot

[wintry forge]

I think early 2016 has great horror vibes. Near perfect

[harsh egret]

yup

[supple oracle]

@harsh egret @obsidian shard Good work in trailers, IT AWESOME LOVE IT

[harsh egret]

thanks dude that means alot

[frail bloom]

Ye good job y'all have a knack for promotional material

[harsh egret]

had a blast making it

[obsidian shard]

Thank you dude, Means a lot coming from you, also can't wait to see the next thing you make!!?

[cerulean pagoda]

2016 didnt feel even slightly horror for me

[stray osprey]

i wonder if it was intentional for them to allow modifiers on pnademonium and ultra nightmare

[obsidian shard]

Tyty, Helps a lot since I took an editing class in school

[stray osprey]

i think the designs of the demons might be the horror part

[frail bloom]

Well it says "M*" to show you did

[cerulean pagoda]

i like the designs of 2016 the most

they feel really alive

[frail bloom]

I don't think Hugo is ever gonna play mine I think it's too hard😭

Is he still on Horde's?

[stray osprey]

oh then i dont think it was intentional for them to allow you to get the rewards for doing a m playthrough

[harsh egret]

yes

he will be on it a while

Horde overestimated Hugo

[frail bloom]

I think it was intentional, it's just that they don't care as much anymore. A person is dojng themselves a disservice by lying to themselves

[cerulean pagoda]

hugo isnt that good at his own game

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

Lol ye he ain't gonna play mine then

I'll still make that trailer tho

[loud torrent]

Yall use amd for dark ages?

[cerulean pagoda]

now that no ones at home

ill blast FM's music at full volume

[green estuary]

hugo walking over arachnotron mines and dying instantly from full health and full armor

phun

[cerulean pagoda]

hopefully my neighbours dont call the police

[frail bloom]

You ever thought of headphones

Or earbuds

[solid nacelle]

I almost beat yours but died on round 5

[sharp jungle]

I tried tda again after writing it off

[frail bloom]

Round 5 is sure the hardest

[sharp jungle]

Tbh this game feels a lot more fun than eternal

It feels like doom

[cerulean pagoda]

my earbuds were unfortunately stolen by someone idk why

[warm ibex]

alright, new doom collab in the works

[stray osprey]

i mean i did it on m to get the rewards because i just like it i do not like tough things

[frail bloom]

Glad you like it again

[sharp jungle]

I like how grounded it is and the lack of glory kills
The artstyle is great
The aesthetic is fun

[cerulean pagoda]

finally someone who just doesnt go "WHY TGHERE SHIELD THIS NO DOOM"

[frail bloom]

And that's totally fine, you're being honest

[sharp jungle]

I really really like it

[cerulean pagoda]

nice, tda is really great

[harsh egret]

hopefully its not fortnite

[frail bloom]

Do you like the new ragdolls too

[sharp jungle]

I think it was a good addition

Yea

[frail bloom]

The enemies just fly across the screen now

[warm ibex]

I hope it's fortnite

[stray osprey]

wait do some people say they got it on ulta nightmare but they did it on m and lie about it ?

[warm ibex]

I really want a TDA slayer set in fortnite

[frail bloom]

Idk I haven't seen anyone do that yet

[harsh egret]

i reeeeally hope ur sarcastic

[frail bloom]

Bc no one cares really

[warm ibex]

why would I be?

[harsh egret]

dont tell me the Horde Mode Gaming plays fortnite

[cerulean pagoda]

DOOM: the dark ages will soon be the bright ages when the slayer is in fortnite

[harsh egret]

no no no...

[stray osprey]

i mean granted itd be tough to get proof about that sutff

[harsh egret]

its joever

[cerulean pagoda]

i dont play fortnite but ill be glad if its in fortnite to advertise the game to more people

[warm ibex]

don't tell me the hato is pathetic enough to bitch about fortnite 😭

[frail bloom]

Not really, if there's an M*, they changed smt

[harsh egret]

[solar spoke]

I want him to inflict fall damage to everyone else instead of himself if that happens

[frail bloom]

Whether you trust that they made it harder or easier is up to your judgement

It negatively affects them in the long run

[cerulean pagoda]

judgement?

[frail bloom]

Er ye

What

[cerulean pagoda]

Ahh... free at last. O Gabriel, now dawns thy reckoning, and thy gore shall GLISTEN before the temples of Man! Creature of Steel, my gratitude upon thee for my freedom. But the crimes thy kind have commited against humanity are NOT forgotten! And thy punishment... is DEATH., DIE, JUDGEMENT, WEAK,THY END IS NOW, PREPARE THYSELF,

[frail bloom]

Bruh

[stray osprey]

i mean who would provide a screenshot without it being messed with if they were lying

[green estuary]

ultrakill mentioned 😴

[stray osprey]

the designs of the demon are the best in the series i gotta admit

[cerulean pagoda]

correct

[stray osprey]

2016 cyber demon was better than this games cyberdemon tho

[cerulean pagoda]

2016s cyberdemon design is overrated imo, it looks more like an alien than demon

[stray osprey]

true does look like a alien kinda

[green estuary]

tda's cyberdemon is probably my favorite enemy design of the entire series

[cerulean pagoda]

wings make it realy cool

[green estuary]

it's up there with the 2016 baron and the komodo

[stray osprey]

if only it flew

[warm ibex]

valid and goated opinion, I can't disagree with that

[cerulean pagoda]

i like its patched up smooth look

[warm ibex]

I mean it's not my favorite in the franchise but it's a DAMN good design

[frail bloom]

My fav is the vagary

[harsh egret]

whats ur favourite in the franchise horde

[frail bloom]

Imp stalker is second

[warm ibex]

probably the Gladiator, minus the armor

[stray osprey]

i think i like eternals baron more thatn 2016 just based on looks it looks metal

[cerulean pagoda]

my favourite demon design in modern doom games is possibly the icon of sin without armor

[green estuary]

I do have a soft spot for the 2016 baron
2016 was my first real fps game and when I saw the first baron in kadingir I was just so blown away

[frail bloom]

Based and I want to see that again ngl

[cerulean pagoda]

looks really cool i like its meaty armored look

[harsh egret]

w

[frail bloom]

Imagine how good the gladiator looks in dark ages lighting

[stray osprey]

i hope if they make a dlc we can fight a gladiator

[frail bloom]

They are making the dlc

[cerulean pagoda]

gladiator should appear in the dlc

[frail bloom]

The chances of a noble baron or hell knight is low tho

[harsh egret]

@obsidian shard btw do u have any clue about the youtooz? are they shipping? cuz its been a week since the "oct 15-nov 15" departure date on the serrat one 😭

[stray osprey]

[cerulean pagoda]

or you know what, i hope to see an uncosmicrealmcorrupted cacodemon

[frail bloom]

I don't think they're considering variants

[stray osprey]

?

[frail bloom]

Noble alludes to the classic barons and hellknights seen in Classic doom

[stray osprey]

ah

[frail bloom]

It's to seperate them from their modern iterations

[cerulean pagoda]

did hugo just walk into the acid

[stray osprey]

mmm

[frail bloom]

I mean it's hard to see

All that green

[cerulean pagoda]

it seems really clear to me

[stray osprey]

i kinda hope we get those robotic lookin hell knights that were in eternal in the dlc

[frail bloom]

Do you mean armored barons?

[stray osprey]

i think

[frail bloom]

Cuz we have armored hellknights, those being battle knights

[stray osprey]

ah then i think id want one of those but with maybe dual axes or somethin

[cerulean pagoda]

gargoyles should be a heavy demon int he DLC and not a fodder reskin

[frail bloom]

Technically the cosmic baron has dual axes ingrained into his arms

[frail bloom]

Idk that would be weird

[stray osprey]

oh yeah

[frail bloom]

Scrawny looking flying zombies like how do you make them more intimidating

[stray osprey]

i think at that point to make em heavy demons maybe make em dragons the size of cyber demons

[frail bloom]

Idk if we can fight dragons yet especially in a dlc. Maybe next game when their budget expands

Dragons would be real hard to code

[stray osprey]

true

i also kinda hope we coud get flying cyberdemons in the dlc tho

[frail bloom]

Like think abt how flying enemies would go around geometry

[harsh egret]

that sounds kinda goofy ngl

[frail bloom]

Would be a nightmare

[stray osprey]

it does

[frail bloom]

I think with the current cyberdemon design ye but a giant demon flying is not inherently a goofy idea

[stray osprey]

but the idea of a flying cyberdemon with 2 arm canons sounds rad

[harsh egret]

the wings i think are just cuz it looks hella sick

[stray osprey]

that it does

[harsh egret]

not very stand and fight sadly

[stray osprey]

i mean parry block shield bash shield bash ravager

welp whats yall fav weapon in tda

[harsh egret]

chainshot

ive also been using it more and more after the ripatorium 2.0 update and its doing work

[stray osprey]

gotta say due to how easy it is to get ammo at max ravager but chainshot is my second fav

[warm ibex]

hugo couldn't beat my encounter

[frail bloom]

How do I say this

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

[frail bloom]

Is there an encounter he can beat

[harsh egret]

oof

[frail bloom]

That's the best I can manage

[warm ibex]

I honestly think he would've beat it if he wouldn't have focused so hard on the shredder 😭

[meager vortex]

[harsh egret]

i think he can go toe to toe with a couple stalker imps i say

[warm ibex]

imp stalkers you say. that's... interesting...

[frail bloom]

A bit generous but I believe in our goat

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1440762974569627789/hugo_interesting....png?ex=691fff55&is=691eadd5&hm=84bd496a950ebbc5b7268fbd985c82fcccc20070a8e364d738c6b233862400b1&

[warm ibex]

we'll see how he feels about my next encounter

[green estuary]

I'm dying on the inside seeing hugo use the combat shotgun primary fire lmao

[harsh egret]

but congrats on making it into the game tho!

[frail bloom]

Ye congrats

[warm ibex]

congrats to you too! I think yours is getting in the game

[harsh egret]

did he say that?

[frail bloom]

Alr imma leave the stream so I can finish your preset horde

[harsh egret]

frick i gotta go back

[frail bloom]

Right after I eat

[harsh egret]

yessss... another sesh of hugo talking about level design

[warm ibex]

hugo sniping is fun lol

[elder raven]

ive been playing my preset

very difficult

maybe made for black belts?

[warm ibex]

I didn't realize this was all custom geo and textures. I need to get into Eternal level making

[elder raven]

ive been wanting to learn eternal mods and doom mods in general

[stray osprey]

i wonder if this game is when the slayer is at his peak

[elder raven]

its eternal lol

[green estuary]

2 buffed marauders

saleem trolling lmao

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

[magic spoke]

wraiths are easily the most annoying fuckers in this game

[harsh egret]

ive said this every time but god i wanna get more into eternal mods

[magic spoke]

i love doom but it seems like each one has an absurdly poorly designed demon

[thin hound]

Wraiths? You don’t fight the Wraiths

[harsh egret]

he just leaked the DLC

[magic spoke]

what are the ones that summon a clone

[harsh egret]

acolytes

[thin hound]

Acolytes

[worn lion]

Wraiths as from Doom 3?

nvm

[thin hound]

Wraiths are the good ones, we don’t kill them

[magic spoke]

i called them wraiths cus they look like ur typical wraiths. spirits in a dark cloak n all

[green estuary]

acolytes are fine in moderation

more than one at a time is pretty ridiculous

[magic spoke]

anyways i hate them so much. the clone idea is fine but its the dumbass damage circles they got

[worn lion]

Did Hugo share any juicy info yet?

[harsh egret]

i should tell bro to play my final ripatorium round

https://tenor.com/view/giggle-chuckle-hahaha-holding-laughter-gif-15462551

[thin hound]

Has anyone tried fighting 3 Agaddon Champions at once?

[frail bloom]

Yes

Guys

I think I cheated the melee system

Try switching when your pip almost fills up

[harsh egret]

do u mean the first one only

[frail bloom]

Yes

[green estuary]

yeah it's not actually that bad

as long as you have space

[frail bloom]

It's almost impossible dude

[thin hound]

It’s surprising how manageable it is, yeah

[frail bloom]

I switched from flail to mace and it kept my chsrge

[green estuary]

LMAO

[frail bloom]

I DID IT AGAIN

Ok yes I found a loophole

[green estuary]

saleem going full memelord

[frail bloom]

If y'all switch from flail or punch to mace as you parry you get a full mace charge

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

Try it

It worked 3 times now

[harsh egret]

i dont think i will

im hitting the bed the second the stream ends

[frail bloom]

Oh my god it's broken

[elder raven]

my encounter is done but i might make a trailer

[harsh egret]

@supple oracle sick stuff man! really making me wanna get more into eternal mods watching this stuff!

[warm ibex]

yes very good saleem! those custom textures are sick as hell

[frail bloom]

Ok ye it's broken

I found a bug

[warm ibex]

HE SAID ARMOR

ARMOR WAS HIS HINT FOR THE DLC

[harsh egret]

i thought he said Marok

[frail bloom]

Clip?

Bc I ain't in stream

[harsh egret]

i thought he said armor at first but i was like what wdym armor

does the slayer get new armor?

[frail bloom]

The wretch theory...

First he reads it outloud

[warm ibex]

it's armor

[frail bloom]

Then this

[solar spoke]

Armor? lol

[warm ibex]

the hint paper says armor lol

[solid nacelle]

Praetor... armor...

[frail bloom]

Ok I guess I'll add the word armor

[harsh egret]

armor confirmed

[solar spoke]

is he gonna get his 2016 praetor suit? Is this the consensus so far?

[frail bloom]

Ok so anyone see what I found

[warm ibex]

I'm betting proto praetor

[frail bloom]

There's a good chance we see the wretch based off of his hints

[harsh egret]

ok the dlc will officially be... interesting...

[frail bloom]

"Telling a chapter in the slayers story leading up to 2016"
"Wretch" nuh uh not interesting
"Armor"

Am I crazy

@green estuary I broke the melee swap function

If you parry a melee attack, and you switch from a flail or punch to mace, you can fill your mace instantly

[harsh egret]

also no stream next week

[warm ibex]

Here are my stream notes

No stream next week, but probably Ripatorium 2.0 and Doom 3 stream the week after Thanksgiving. Might be the last stream before holidays.

They’re going to progress the lore and fiction that the community has been asking for in the DLC. Efforts have been made to give us what we want and provide lore that we’ve already read about, things from Doom 2016 and Eternal’s lore. Will have big moments.

Some connections will be made to 2016 as a result of these events. Could possibly be the Wretch based on a VERY light Hugo hint, although that’s far from concrete.

They’re adding a Slayer Gate equivalent that’s super meaningful and has impact outside of just being a challenge encounter.

New Doom game collab seems to be in the works. Something like Call of Duty or Fortnite skins.

He specifically reiterated the Civil War point, suggesting that Argenta Civil War will be hinted at or set up in the DLC to some extent.

“ARMOR” was an extension of his previous hint. The Wretch created the Praetor armor…

You can only complete around 70% of the DLC during your story playthrough, you’ll need to go back and tackle the remaining content after completion.

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-reading-meme-spongebob-eyeball-reading-two-pages-gif-8397699332299369323

[warm ibex]

lmao

[frail bloom]

Oh I missed that last part

[meager vortex]

dark ages campaign praetor armor is not praetor suit it just maykr lock suit

[frail bloom]

Gonna add it now

[solar spoke]

I could see Fortnite again tbh, CoD doesn't have the appeal it once had and they've already done a collab for MWII

[harsh egret]

honestly seems like a huge dlc lmao with all the stuff thats been teased at lore wise

[meager vortex]

but upcoming dlc praetor suit come

[warm ibex]

they've also done a fortnite collab in the past. It's worth noting that COD is getting a Fallout collab next season (supposedly) and the next chapter of Fortnite starts in a little over a week. Perfect time for either of those, but could also be literally anything else these days

[meager vortex]

hell's blacksmith he give slayer praetor suit and crucible sword

[warm ibex]

Crucible comes from Argent D'Nur

[solar spoke]

fair point, I could see Fortnite being the more likely option though since the scale is a bit bigger

[meager vortex]

demons call him traitor of the hell

[harsh egret]

been hearing some rumors about an upcoming character in diablo 4 and that class has a melee and shield...
and they have a "new ip collab" in their roadmap for the end of this year...

so uhh...

[frail bloom]

Ok I literally had to cutdown some stuff to fit the info on my dlc paragraph

[warm ibex]

well there we go! diablo 4, thanks Hato lol

[harsh egret]

could be... could be...

time will tell

[warm ibex]

Mind if I suggest this in my vid?

[harsh egret]

go ahead!

[meager vortex]

diablo:oh!shit! he is coming~~~~~ ruuuuun

[harsh egret]

ive never played it tbh but i have some friends who dig it

[meager vortex]

diablo4 you can custmize doom slayer

[harsh egret]

they collabed with berserk for their last ip collab earlier this year

[meager vortex]

someone already make a doomguy diablo4

[frail bloom]

Ok I'll talk abt the exploit I found tommorrow then

It's kinda huge

[warm ibex]

I've got a suggestion

two, actually

[harsh egret]

i really dont know what he means by "30% of the game that will have to be unlocked after finishing the story"

sounds like open world or smth lmao

[warm ibex]

I'd imagine he means roughly 30% of the content is inaccessible until you've completed the narrative

[harsh egret]

hmm

[frail bloom]

For what

[warm ibex]

he also mentioned using the HUB to return to revisit levels, so my Kreed Ship level map theory might be right

we'll see though ofc

[frail bloom]

Hey we're like 3 weeks away from the game awards

[harsh egret]

yeah i feel like they are remixing the way levels work

[frail bloom]

Kinda close

[harsh egret]

been saying this

[harsh egret]

we shall see

[frail bloom]

Ye it ain't concrete

[warm ibex]

during the Ressurrection stream, Hugo suggested we'll see the Slayer's abs in the DLC. Two possible outcomes (that I can think of):

One - The least likely of the two, but the "armor" hint is for the Classic Doomguy armor, which has an ab window

Two - More likely, we'll have a Slayer suitup scene where he equips a new armor, possibly the 2016 Praetor suit or an earlier version

[frail bloom]

Both are peak

[harsh egret]

that 2nd point could be the intro cutscene before the title drop

holy cinema

[frail bloom]

Although two is peaker

What does m0no think abt this?

@hard thistle is it feasible that the wretch gives the slayer his praetor suit in the dlc?

Like timeline wise?

[harsh egret]

i guess depends how much time they skip

i would assume not alot tho cuz of the ship and the hub and etc

[hard thistle]

Yes. I don't think it'll happen but TDA's ending set the precedent that the Testaments are blatantly out of order and can be moved around.

[frail bloom]

We got some new bits from Hugo that "may" "allegedly" hint towards the wretch actually making an appearance

Nothing super concrete or confirmed but a lot of stuff is aligning

[warm ibex]

didn't we already know that they're not in order?

since he's empowered pretty early on but that's mentioned like halfway through the testaments

[solar spoke]

these retuned ragdoll physics are...

[warm ibex]

don't say it...

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

I'll imply it then

[grim cloud]

another stream pretty much missed. i blame work and bs but that is boring for yall.. did i miss anything exciting?

[frail bloom]

A bit

[warm ibex]

@grim cloud here's the recap

[unique marlin]

excellent work

[grim cloud]

great. i wish i had time to play more TDA. I am doing a upgradeless run (minus hp/arm/ammo upgrades) on nightmare here and there

but i hit a wall in the level after the abyssal forest. cant think of the name.

its a REAL bitch without weapon upgrades

or shield/melee upgrades

Is the wretch suppose to be a actual character, or just refering to hated blacksmiths by the demons? i never thought of him as anything special

[unique marlin]

i think it's an actual character assuming it's only been referred to in singular fashion

[ebon lynx]

ragdolls feel meaty asf

punching cyberdemons is too addicting

[grim cloud]

i really wish i could have hotkeys for each weapon, eek

[harsh egret]

You can have doubletap so it switches to the 2nd one in the slot

Theres a setting for it

[grim cloud]

i iknow that, but sometimes i dont remember what weap i have seleced, better to have a dedicated button that brings up reg shotgun and only reg shotgun

[harsh egret]

True that

[warm ibex]

not sure if you've read chat since saying this, but his final teaser at the end of the stream was "ARMOR"

so the Wretch isn't entirely unlikely anymore lol

[frail bloom]

Does anyone have a pic of belias

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[frail bloom]

That's every doom fan including you

Especially you

[obsidian shard]

Please let the slayer keep his biceps

[frail bloom]

Like 80% you

[harsh egret]

No but i can send u a pic of asmongold, they look identical

[frail bloom]

No thanks I like my eyeballs

And don't do Belias like that

Pls

[obsidian shard]

WHAT

[harsh egret]

My honest reaction

[hard thistle]

Yes, but there was still the general idea that the vast majority of the Testaments happen after the fall of Argent D'Nur.

Then Eternal had the Seraphim stuff during the Sentinel lore. And THEN TDA said his rampage started during it as well.

[frail bloom]

I don't think many ppl moved on from that interpretation

Like when some ppl say we haven't seen any of the testaments yet

Those ppl

[grim cloud]

i love the abbyssal forest tileset, wish the level was longer

[green estuary]

I like the environment, but for whatever reason the combat encounters act up more often than other levels

both my pandaemonium and UN runs had some trouble there

and by "some", I mean that if death protection didn't exist, I would have died

[grim cloud]

lol pandaemonium, i just can't do that yet

[spark elm]

My last 2 things… before true 100%

oh god I bet there’s gonna be ultra night dlc milestones

[green estuary]

I very much doubt it

[spark elm]

oh.

[green estuary]

although speaking of 100%, I do wish they had been more creative with the achievements

[grim cloud]

tbh i dont like pandemonium mode, i much prefer extra life fr om DE

[green estuary]

I did initially not like the idea
but it's undeniable that it simulates UN much better

it's way better as "training wheels" if your end goal is UN

because being allowed to finish a level unbroken without dying is very useful

[grim cloud]

problem for me, is that my attention span has a hard time replaying the same level

[green estuary]

I just took a break when I died in a particular level

[grim cloud]

and getting all the secrets, i would rather just go straight UNM

[green estuary]

you learn pretty quickly what secrets you want to avoid lol

one pandaemonium run and I already had a solid route mapped out for UN, which was huge

[supple oracle]

I hope you guys like the interesting.... suprise today 😂

[harsh egret]

True

[harsh egret]

Lmao yeah that was funny

[supple oracle]

Thanks for @obsidian shard LOL

He inspired me to do it LOL

[harsh egret]

Legendary pic

[green estuary]

it was indeed very interesting

[grim cloud]

2188 gold to spend at ancestral forge

[grim cloud]

guess ill keep hording it, and this is how im prepping for UNM

14 rubies

[mystic barn]

Ah ha! I did tap out after about 20 minutes because I had to do something for a new job, but that’s great news! Funny that his one response to a fan theory that wasn’t “interesting” was “huh”. I wonder if the other “interestings” we’ve heard are red herrings

[warm ibex]

I'd say it's a mixed bag. at the end of the stream he specifically brought up the "sentinel civil war" comment unprompted

so it seems like that was a "real" interesting

[mystic barn]

I wonder if that will go anywhere in the DLC or the next game. I’m sure our pal m0no would be interested to find out more

[obsidian shard]

What I do?

[supple oracle]

You made this picture right ??

[obsidian shard]

The Interesting one?

[supple oracle]

yeah

[obsidian shard]

I did yeah

[supple oracle]

It cool LOL

[obsidian shard]

Tyty

Goat

[wintry forge]

Interesting about the “Armor” quote. If it is in fact referring to the Wretch, wasn’t this idea largely speculated to be during his time in Hell after the Argenta Betrayal?

[mystic barn]

This might be a m0no question, but if the Slayer’s Testaments are meant to be read in chronological order, then Doomguy is gifted the 2016 Praetor Suit after he kills the champion Titan and before the Deag Priests collapse the Blood Temples on him. That said, there’s nothing within that testament specifically that says it takes place here, and we know that the testaments are told out of order, as Testament III (“the Seraphim bestowed upon him terrible power and speed,”) comes before Testament I (“In the first age, in the first battle,”).

[uneven dragon]

i feel like him going in the divinity machine was moved to be earlier in eternal or tda cause of new lore but also testament 1 always felt more like it was hyping him up before it goes into his actual history yk

but also technically testament 1 is set like between doom 64-sometime in tda 🤷‍♀️

[merry jackal]

😭 the premium edition is si much more cheaper

Its 50 bucks

I bought the normal one for 55

😭 😭

[neon perch]

I don't know why, but I have always been partial to the idea that the shield is broken down into the metal that's used for the 2016 praetor suit.

That would explain him losing it.

It would also be a cool as fuck retroactively added detail.

[random sand]

read on google somewhere that the shield breaks from him protecting sentinel knights from some sorta attack. that could very well be a made up headcanon tho

[frosty pine]

Betting it all on Belias

[frosty roost]

Fuuuck I missed it

[meager vortex]

40round ripatorium2.0

complete

[worn sphinx]

hugo sure has given a LOT of teases this time around

[harsh egret]

Yeah i thought he was gonna stop on that first "the lore will expand etc etc" but he just kept going

[heady mica]

what if it just takes diesel gas and he ran outta that so he had to stop using it

[wet robin]

ay i got an NVIDIA reward code for a skin, onyx skin for doom, who wants the code cus i dont want it, u need nvidia to redeem it, dm me if u want

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[fleet spruce]

around the corner

[silent surge]

@neon perch https://youtu.be/MkbToB0Mn7Y?si=skwzDbU-AgXUUI1N

try all 3 challenges

[neon perch]

Guh.

Uhhhhhhhh.

Buh.

[silent surge]

it’s easy to track

just get pen and paper or your phone

[neon perch]

Gwoh.

[silent surge]

til they can put something like this in the game

we trackin’ it oldschool style
if anyone has any ideas for your ripatorium maps feel free to use this structure

[harsh egret]

@warm ibex
the doom dominion guy wrote this in his twitter post:
"dlc reveal will come in early 2026 with a release later in the year"
is that another lie or did i miss that somehow lmao, cuz ive not seen anyone mention anything like this

[silent surge]

wonder if anything will happen this month, prob not

other than winning GOTY
in my heart

[harsh egret]

it already won goty for me when it came out

but we will see at TGA when it comes to reveals and stuff

[hazy pasture]

In one of his previous posts he said that id Software's working on their another entry and that being Quake

Which again, is a lie

So I wouldn't trust that guy with news and stuff

[harsh egret]

nah tbf that one is true, it was reported that they are looking to hire a Lead Gameplay Features Programmer for an unannounced title

but yeah he posted some other stuff in the past too, just wanted to make sure cuz u never know

[solar cairn]

TGA is the biggest event of the rest of the year, if the trailer is presented there, it will be in everyone’s feed and this hype will be added to the game

And at the beginning of 2026 there seem to be no big events

[hazy pasture]

My bad but I forgot to emphasize the word "Quake". Yes it's true that they have started working on the next title but it's nowhere confirmed to be Quake when it's leaning more towards being TDA2

[harsh egret]

ah, yeah true

[hazy pasture]

Yes but if it's getting a dedicated segment in January's Dev Direct then they won't show anything in TGA

But we'll see

[harsh egret]

well theres the xbox dev direct showcase thing in january but it would be random to showcase a dlc, iirc its just some of their biggest upcoming games.

[hazy pasture]

Also I still have to give y'all's Ripatorium presets a play. Every single one of em looks sick

[neon perch]

Yeah a trailer reveal for TGA makes the most sense.

They'd be silly to miss their chance.

[hazy pasture]

I would say more of a teaser but yeah

[harsh egret]

i wanna say that their marketing hasnt been that crazy when it comes to putting trailers on the biggest gameshows considering it is well... Doom.
maybe the timing wasnt right for them to show stuff at other game shows but maybe now TGA could line up fine with the release date and etc

[hazy pasture]

It would be crazy if they reveal the trailer right after winning one or both of the awards

[hazy pasture]

That true

[harsh egret]

Geoff Keighley going "And the winner for Action Game of the Year is... DOOM The Dark Ages! and now... a special announcement from them..." and BOOM id software logo shows up on the trailer

cinema

[solar cairn]

What is the difference between Dev Direct and the usual Showcase that was in the summer and where do the game trailers represent?

Or is it the same thing?

[harsh egret]

well if u remember they select a few of their biggest close launches and do a deeper dive into them

on the dev direct

the xbox summer showcase thing is just like any other showcase

[hazy pasture]

In Dev Directs devs make the viewers take a deep dive into their projects and games and in Showcases they usually reveal stuff

[hazy pasture]

Oh Mama Mia

Peam it is

Also that "Armor" tease... Hmm interesting

I'll go reread the whole of Doom lore again

[silent surge]

working on the next entry in general, is definitely happening, probably

[frosty pine]

TDA is gonna win best action game and Hugo is gonna come on stage and show off the dlc trailer trust

[hazy pasture]

Very likely based on what Hugo wants to do with the Sentinel Era

[hazy pasture]

Hopefully

[fluid nacelle]

man i kinda dont like how they keep removing demons from the combat encounters or like
make some no respawn

i think the very first update or 2 that added some to most encounters is the one they should have had as the baseline

i think it was update 1

[naive wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181154951355961445/1441465963433295872/hm.mp4?ex=6921e54a&is=692093ca&hm=a301cd103309353f4e55a3a611bc0a5c03e1ec8c3914de4329b6b80dceab7301& very familiar sounding riff in from the ashes

[cursive grotto]

How does real time melee and rune swapping feel y'all?

[silent surge]

haven’t tried it yet

[obsidian shard]

yup

[obsidian shard]

good

[small dew]

Yo chads

Any tips how can I finish UN

[vague basin]

It would be cool if someone made a mod where you dont lose melee charge when switching between melee options. (Flail/gauntlets at least. The combos would look cool af. Imagine 2 strikes with flail and then kick, or fist-flail-kick, you get the idea)

[naive wigeon]

play lots of nightmare

and use the upgrade for the rocket launcher that gives you a charged rocket after a parry

helps a lot against cacos

[small dew]

I did eternal is it easier or harder

[naive wigeon]

depends

theyre two diff games

some people may find it easier and vice versa

me personally my last un attempt on eternal ended with me getting softlocked on an elevator in arc

[cursive grotto]

Keeping charges would be nice yeah

[small dew]

You finishe un dark ages?

[random sand]

there's arguements for both. eternal has the required speed and reaction time. tda has the overwhelming numbers, heavy hitters and timing

[naive wigeon]

yes

[small dew]

How long did it took you

[naive wigeon]

2 attempts

but that was after regularly playing on nightmare

[small dew]

How manu times you practised in nightmare

[random sand]

did you ever die very late into the campaign on UN like i did?

[naive wigeon]

hm

i think i died like

my first attempt death was during a mech section in hellbreaker

[random sand]

i got my ass handed to me against Ahzrak in the final battle. safe to say i didn't touch the game for a while after that 😭

[naive wigeon]

asscrack a bih

impaler + dreadmace + daggers rune helped me fry him with no trouble

[random sand]

i feel like losing tda UN hurts more than eternal because tda is twice as long

[naive wigeon]

perhaps

[random sand]

i just rawdogged it shield with stun rune and ssg

[naive wigeon]

zamn

[naive wigeon]

idk bro i never kept count

i have like almost 100 hours on the game

so i suppose that should help

[random sand]

ALMOST!?

[naive wigeon]

almost

i actually have more hrs on tda than on eternal in my steam acc even tho ive had eternal longer

[random sand]

i have slightly more on eternal still

[naive wigeon]

but thats because most of my eternal hours were on console

[random sand]

i got 159 on eternal, 100 on tda

[naive wigeon]

zamn

[random sand]

and 21 on 2016 lol

[naive wigeon]

2016 on new saves without double jumping and air control is a pain so i understand why u havent spent much time there lol

[random sand]

i just prefer eternal and tda tbh. 2016 is a solid game but idk, feels weird

[naive wigeon]

tda has the best early game out of the three by a long shot

[random sand]

real

[fervent maple]

I agree with this, TDA is the only one of the three where I feel a consistent difficulty increase. The others are hard as hell for three levels and the rest of the game is smooth sailing, especially if you're good at them.

[random sand]

allthough if there's something i miss from 2016 and eternal that's lacking in tda, it's the better movement control you have in the air. allthough i can kinda see why that's gone

[naive wigeon]

because tda gives you all the base mechanics that make the game enjoyable from the get go (guns, shield parry, shield throw, melee) making it feel like less of a handicap

[obsidian shard]

tbf, instead of movement you feel like a tank

[naive wigeon]

now imagine 2016 if you started off with double jump and air control + the base shotgun over the pistol

[random sand]

yeah i know. it's just sometimes when i jump and do platforming in hidden areas, its lack of movement control in the air is very noticeable

[obsidian shard]

I do notice it too (particularly for B-hopping)

Also super easy to B-hop

[naive wigeon]

couple this with fodder demons not being able to one shot you and 2016 early game would almost be as good as tda early game

[fervent maple]

Arcade mode is awesome because of that. I'm bummed out it hasn't been brought back. The closest thing we have is Horde Mode in Eternal, and uh...

[naive wigeon]

eternal not having a proper endless horde mode is a crime

[fervent maple]

For sure

Glad they went ahead and did that for TDA

[solar cairn]

One second, and the armor that is in TDA is not Pretorian?

I’m confused

[wintry forge]

No, just Sentinel Armor

[solar spoke]

Actually looking forward to potentially seeing the Praetor suit in TDA raytraced lighting lol

[wintry forge]

The Praetor suit is specifically created by the Wretch, forged in the fires of Hell. Some probably mystical being created it/ imbued it

It’ll be interesting to see it be a prototype, and maybe he gets it further enhanced sometime down the road

[solar cairn]

Well, as far as I remember, the costume restrains power, that is, in TDA it is in the strongest form?

[harsh egret]

they got some insanely sick designs from the concepts so im sure whatever it is its gonna look so good

[solar spoke]

It absorbs hell energy from the demons he kills. He doesn't really need the suit but it helps

and it's also aura farming like crazy

[wintry forge]

Definitely! Are you referring to the concepts from TDA or from 2016?

[solar cairn]

And the runes on the shield and on the costume 2016 are the seal of the beast?

[wintry forge]

Yes, the mark of the Primeval/ Davoth

It has multiple meanings but that’s the basic idea

[warm ibex]

That's another straight up lie. I wanted to leave a comment but it's pointless, they'll just ignore it

[solar cairn]

Was it invented after the transformation in the divine machine or before?

[wintry forge]

It was before. The divinity machine had that mark because it contained a shard of Davoth’s essence

[wintry forge]

I just stopped reading that guys stuff entirely man

Somebody should make a “don’t listen to DOOM Dominion” vid lmao

Doomtuber drama be like

[warm ibex]

I can't stand the intentional misinformation mixed in with real stream news

He knows what he's doing

[frosty roost]

hugo is a chad!

plus yeah I agree, people spreading misinformation i cannot handle at all

[supple oracle]

yikes

[solar cairn]

I don’t remember lor anymore, Davoth set up the transformation of Doomguy and gave him a sign that everyone would be afraid of him?

[supple oracle]

just like and views farming, alot of people like that facebook, twitter

[wintry forge]

Davoth set up the transformation, but the demons/ Hell priests burned that mark across Hell as a warning. That’s what the symbol came to represent to Hell

[solar cairn]

And why are they afraid of this sign in hell, and not everywhere?

[wintry forge]

Just had different meanings for the most part. To the Sentinels/ Argent D’Nur, it was a symbol of hope for their hero, the Slayer. For Hell, after the creation of the Slayer, it was a warning.

[frosty roost]

@supple oracle hiya saleem

[solar cairn]

Thx

In general, I’ve always wondered if it’s possible to completely destroy hell?

Or are small demons created on a permanent basis from energy?

If so, then the war with hell is literally endless

[wintry forge]

There’s no telling. The realm is too powerful, not even killing the devil stops it. But, with their access to other realms now closed permanently after the defeat of Davoth, perhaps their energy production/sources will cease over time. There’s also no telling if damned souls still even go to Hell at this point

[obsidian shard]

Back at it again, Also your post blew up lmao

[harsh egret]

yeah i see that xd

at least it brings some hype to ppl who wanna know more about dlc but dont watch the streams (which is most ppl) since the dlc is gonna be absolute peak

[warm ibex]

this shit pmo

the hato post, not the misinformation. I love misinformation and hate hato

obviously

[harsh egret]

yeah i was gonna say

[obsidian shard]

sadly true

https://tenor.com/view/its-rubbish-its-peam-rubbish-its-peak-gif-5313681084982718404

[green estuary]

real

[supple oracle]

Hey what is good

[frosty roost]

nothing much, chilling!

[obsidian shard]

How is everyone doing?

[harsh egret]

doing good doing good

btw sneaky is the 93 more demonic reinforcements kickstarter exclusive too

[green estuary]

not too bad

hbu

[obsidian shard]

i will ask rn (also will ask about the TDA ones as we are Just a little over 3k from them)

[harsh egret]

yeah nice

[solar spoke]

pretty good, raging at a soldering burn but got TMR sticks installed into a controller so yay me

[obsidian shard]

Im doing good too!

[obsidian shard]

Oof, make sure to keep putting cold water on it or leave it in water!

[frosty roost]

either gonna carry on playing re2r or TDA for the pandaemonium skin

[solar spoke]

will do, thanks. Just glad to have it done lol

[obsidian shard]

Also dont wrap the burn, i see people do that wayy too often, Wrapping it traps the heat, so it can worsen the burn and/or take longer to heal

Having First Aid training is peak

[solar spoke]

Indeed, cold water or ice always works best. I'd normally wear gloves but the xbox controller wires are awkward to work with if you don't have pliers lol

[obsidian shard]

true

ive got like 3 tool kits in my room alone 😅

[harsh egret]

fk it i went for the "all in" one with pledge over time

[obsidian shard]

you will now recieve everything

[harsh egret]

yup

[obsidian shard]

speaking of 3, we are 3k away from the Acolyte and Nightmare Imp Stalker

The Old One...

Lost Forever

• The Witch

[harsh egret]

can some millionaire donate like 23k

[harsh egret]

actually lmao

[solar spoke]

damn lol, I just keep the one kit. Never need to do anything larger than a controller though tbh

[harsh egret]

thats so funny 23k divided by 330 is 69.69

we need 69.69 people to go for the all in bundle

[obsidian shard]

Dear Bethesda Softworks,
Please Donate 23k Dollars to the DOOM | Arena Board Game Kickstarter

Sincerely,
SneakyJaycool

[green estuary]

N I C E

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1400344876326850584/1404348638234415144/SaveTwitter.Net_GyBudsdb0AAiweD_gif.gif

[raven ravine]

Someone know how I can fix the bug of the codex trophy I already found all the pages in two runs.

[frail bloom]

It might not even win action game of the year

I keep seeing Hades 2 pop up

[harsh egret]

and this guy calls ME a party pooper

[frail bloom]

I know I know

[harsh egret]

im just trolling around

[frail bloom]

Has anyone played hades 2

[harsh egret]

im just joshin'

[frail bloom]

I can't speak on it cuz I haven't played it

[frail bloom]

And I'm hugoin'

[harsh egret]

i just know it has insanely high metacritic score and thats all that matters nowadays

[frail bloom]

Well there's the accessability nomination

Yippee

[harsh egret]

well at least the tda demonic reinforcements got unlocked last minute

was pretty close :d

[obsidian shard]

ya

[harsh egret]

rest in piece the old one

[obsidian shard]

The Old one is Lost forever Once more

[harsh egret]

indeed

actually lore accurate

[unkempt dragon]

hi fam

[obsidian shard]

Howdy LM, how ya doing

[unkempt dragon]

gud, just working from home today. Wby Jay? Are you off?

[alpine pilot]

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[warm ibex]

doom is in your heart ❤️

[obsidian shard]

Ye I'm off today, Working the weekend!

[frosty roost]

hiya LM

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1441456807036846152/1441528072598851865/fed456a166a49c1ae9866b9edcec90ec_original.png?ex=69221f22&is=6920cda2&hm=bee8e4a96fe4b11d2232b5e248bad84b514b640b6cc3a183e474587687621c67&

[unkempt dragon]

ello!

[frail bloom]

I think I'll make another preset today

I'm just gonna mix presets I've already made into one big one

Def gonna be a real hard one

[umbral flint]

Should i buy the game on Xbox since its 50% off or wait until a steam sale?

[round owl]

Throwing this out cause Josh mentioned it specifically last night

swapping melee weapons removing all pips feels real bad

and means i never do it

[slender night]

If you have both an Xbox and a PC capable of running the game, the Xbox version is playable on both. Just an FYI

[green estuary]

Just switch it immediately after you do a combo

[warm ibex]

that nightmare imp is killer

[round owl]

It just feels bad to lose resources because you changed a weapon. Surely getting the "percentage" each pip is worth is not beyond ID

I get why we cant get a pip of gauntlet and then swap to mac

[green estuary]

All the swapping was meant to do was add convenience for an action you could already perform from the menu, not change the game balance

[warm ibex]

Good! This isn't meant to give you melee quick swapping, it's designed specifically for convenience and convenience only

katsu beat me to it

[harsh egret]

^

[umbral flint]

I only have the xbox app on pc not the consoles though

[round owl]

I guess i just dont understand why we could ever change them in the menu then

Instead of it just being at shrines

[slender night]

If you don't intend to get an Xbox ever then I'd personally wait for a Steam sale for easier modding support

[warm ibex]

yes you do

[round owl]

If the idea is we ought not to be swapping in combat then, no i dont

[warm ibex]

same reason you can change weapon upgrade paths without visiting shrines. you're supposed to swap between arenas, not during them

and there aren't shrines around every corner

[green estuary]

The idea is to take an action that was clunky (going to menu and swapping melee/runes) and make it not clunky

[solemn snow]

Hello, i have a odd question. I've noticed that the Cacodemon Hybrid will sometimes almost skip it's firing animation before firing it's arrow shot, is it normal? What's the conditions for the Caco to not charge it's attack?

[green estuary]

That’s a bug lol

[round owl]

I feel like I am getting passed by here. But ya HORDE you are right there are few shrines

[solemn snow]

Oh it's a bug? I thought the Caco wouldn't charge if you were too far away but

[harsh egret]

i heckin love the caco in this game...

[warm ibex]

I don't think this is some complex thing. The intended gameplay design is pick a build and sticking with it. You CAN change your builds in the middle of combat, they aren't going to lock you into a build that you don't enjoy, but you'll have to go through the menu to swap upgrades or reset your melee/rune charges. Going through the menu and dealing with reset charges are a balancing penalty

[green estuary]

yep it's a bug
regardless of distance, they're always supposed to play the charge-up animation for their laser, but for whatever reason they just don't sometimes

[green estuary]

you're not getting passed by, you're just misunderstanding what the whole point of the melee/rune swap hotkeys was

[round owl]

I mean I get the game wants you to "stick to a build"

I guess im just not sure I understand convinience features for actually not doing that

Thats all

[green estuary]

that's not even the point
the hotkey is only meant to add convenience to what used to require opening the menu and selecting a melee/rune
if you were to open the menu and select a melee weapon, the charges would still be reset
that is all the melee hotkey is supposed to do--eliminate the annoyance of having to open a menu to change your melee weapon

it's not meant to allow you to alternate between melee weapons in between strikes

[round owl]

But if you have a build when would you do that

like this is for the points where you dont know yet?

that's the idea?

[warm ibex]

these features were added because half the player base doesn't want to play the game as intended. This is here as a convenience feature for people that want to integrate strategic melee swapping into their playstyle, not as an extension of the core combat loop

that's not outright confirmed, by the way, just overly apparent

[round owl]

I guess I'm just surprised we got the keybinds

In the build game

[green estuary]

hugo and co really need to stop calling it a build game

because it's not

[warm ibex]

I mean it is to an extent

[green estuary]

it's just a game that doesn't feel the need to punish the player for using a particular weapon or weapons more than the others
and that's fine

[round owl]

I don't know what it is but I know I perform best in Ripatorium when i just run daggers SSG

And I assume that is by design

so that sounds like "pick a good thing and stick to it"

[green estuary]

shush

I know you did

[frail bloom]

There is no melee swap exploit.

[green estuary]

the first rule of melee swap exploit club

[warm ibex]

builds are the intention, though. Pick specific upgrades/runes/melee weapons and stick with them. Not a build in the full sense, but still a "build"

[round owl]

Anyway Hugo and Co ARE calling it a build game so

It kinda "is"

[green estuary]

yeah you have the luxury to develop a playstyle, which is much more accurate to what the game really is

[round owl]

Like they arnt complicated builds

but theyre builds

[frail bloom]

I don't think you losing the charge matters much anyway bc you can build up your fists and flail relatively quickly

[warm ibex]

honestly feels like you're just nitpicking wording atp

[frail bloom]

You parry every 2 seconds

[green estuary]

yes, I am
because "build" to pretty much everyone just evokes thoughts of souls games and rpgs

[round owl]

Which was surely the idea.........

Dark Fantasy Build Focussed Doom....

[warm ibex]

that's disappointing. No need to continue the conversation

[frail bloom]

I understand why you would feel dissapointed abt the melee swap but that's on a misunderstanding of the gameplay loop

They can't just change the gameplay loop months after release

Now, for the dlc...

[round owl]

Hi Samir. Thats been all cleared up

thanks

[frail bloom]

I know I like beating dead horses

[frosty roost]

???

[frail bloom]

It's kinda my thing

[green estuary]

I'm just tired of people being reductionist towards this game because of some word or phrase they heard somewhere

[frail bloom]

It's a saying

[frosty roost]

oh lol

[frail bloom]

Ye lol

[round owl]

I dont think its reductive to use a word the director uses though right

like Stand and Fight is the slogan lol

isnt that pretty reductive

[frail bloom]

Horde do you wanna play my preset

I think you'd like it

[warm ibex]

yeah absolutely, I'll play when I get the chance

[frosty roost]

hiya horde!

[warm ibex]

howdy!

[green estuary]

yeah, and jump and shoot was eternal's slogan
yet you don't see anyone actually using that in legitimate conversation to talk about the game's design

[frail bloom]

Except in this game

[green estuary]

precisely

[frail bloom]

The amt of ppl who took stand and fight literally...

I'd have like 10 dollars

[warm ibex]

I blame that on marketing

[frail bloom]

You mean vid footage?

Cuz the saying isn't the problem

But I remember that they would sometimes completely stop moving and melee a demon or smt

Like the dev direct

[warm ibex]

marketing used the term "stand and fight" frequently pair with slower gameplay. At launch, the first thing they teach you is holding block (which I don't think is necessary for 99% of situations)

[frail bloom]

But I like "stand and fight"

[warm ibex]

I can't blame any player for assuming that moving slower and playing hardcore defense is intended

[frail bloom]

It's peak

[harsh egret]

i hold block when tryina reposition alot

[frail bloom]

I hold block constantly whenever I see a caco

[harsh egret]

cac

[frail bloom]

Cuz yu never know

[green estuary]

it's just that all the promo material (stand and fight, you're a tank, etc) combined with the whole "build" language just makes the game sound like something it isn't

[warm ibex]

I like it a lot too, but unfortunately I think they needed to outright explain that it's not meant to be taken literally. Some folks didn't get the message

[green estuary]

and that's frustrating as hell

[frail bloom]

Well now that it's been cleared up they can be a bit more free with the wording no?

It can't happen again surely not

Like for a new game

[warm ibex]

I'm on the same page for the most part. I think the "build" problem comes from taking the word too literally, not from it being used incorrectly. Just because Dark Souls is the first "build" game that comes to mind doesn't mean that's what a build system has to be

[green estuary]

yeah you're right

[warm ibex]

just like the stand and fight problem comes from people taking it as literally as humanly possible

[solid nacelle]

Having literal slow motion effects on every melee attack and parry probably didn't help with everyone complaining about the game being slow

[oak temple]

sure what is it

[warm ibex]

that too lol

[green estuary]

yeah the slow mo was way overdone

[frail bloom]

Scourge of belias

[oak temple]

thanks, will give it a go

[warm ibex]

I like the slowmo, for the record. But it didn't help with the speed complaints

[harsh egret]

if it was a setting on launch that wouldve been so good for the game lol

yeah

[solid nacelle]

The slider didn't come until August and probably most people had moved on before that

[frail bloom]

A lot of things would've been good

[warm ibex]

that too!

[harsh egret]

that in particular

[frail bloom]

Like the music actually working

[oak temple]

yeah the slowmo is cool but I do feel if they had a slider at launch it would of been better

[harsh egret]

is the komodo intro fight still bugged with the music btw

[frail bloom]

Like where it doesn't play?

And there's just ambience

[harsh egret]

if u die in that fight the music doesnt play its just silent

[green estuary]

yep

[frail bloom]

And you're on 150% speed

[oak temple]

oh i literally just completed that one

[harsh egret]

like when u respawn

[frail bloom]

And you're going nuts

[harsh egret]

lmao

[oak temple]

it was fun

[frail bloom]

Ye it happened to me on 150%

[green estuary]

I was testing some changes to the komodo's AI the other day and I reloaded the checkpoint multiple times
the music did not play at all

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[harsh egret]

samir died to the first komodo, noob lel

[frail bloom]

[green estuary]

oh, btw, komodo fireballs are another projectile that has tracking for some reason

learned that yesterday

[harsh egret]

i mean

[frail bloom]

When in doubt just make every projectile track cuz why not

[solid nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-dj-khaled-stare-staring-gif-12448808

[green estuary]

my crusade against those evil tracking projectiles will never cease

[frail bloom]

Alr imma make my preset soon

It's def gonna be tough

[warm ibex]

we will find common ground against the komodo

I was trying out Allstin's preset the other day and couldn't stomach fighting a komodo in the ripatorium

design wise one of the best enemies in the game, but one of my least favorite modern doom enemies when it comes to combat. I will never stop whining about it

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-tucker-peter-capaldi-glare-turn-smirk-gif-11814127

[green estuary]

he approaches marauder levels of jank at times

[solar spoke]

why does the Komodo even need to be this evil?

[green estuary]

well, if it makes you feel any better, there's an unused bile attack for the komodo in the game files
so we can be grateful that at least didn't make it into the game

[obsidian shard]

they are Ahzraks Vanguard

[warm ibex]

exactly. it's the fucking jank. same with the marauder, wouldn't be bad at all if it just worked right consistently

[solar spoke]

small mercies lol

[warm ibex]

idk if it's just me but I feel like komodos are the worst of the roster when it comes to inconsistent parry registration. Same problem as the hell knight, they seem to have a parry range tighter than the visuals indicate

[green estuary]

they do

[solar spoke]

they look pretty fly though ngl

[green estuary]

the hitboxes on their sword (or whatever it is) swings are very weird

[ionic glade]

Are you talking about the Komodo champion at the start of chapter 14? Because I’ve noticed it as well

[green estuary]

yep

[ionic glade]

The music also starts before the cutscene where he shows up too. At least in my experience

Weird

[green estuary]

that seems to be intended at least

[ionic glade]

Maybe. Feels weird to stand there for like 5-10 seconds while the music blasts and nothing happens. I submitted a ticket about the music no longer triggering upon death/checkpoint restart for further attempts to at least bring it to their attention

[solar cairn]

I tested a couple of presets for the ripatorium and realized that at 150 percent speed all this is almost unplayable

[green estuary]

yes they are perfectly playable lol

[solar cairn]

When 2-3 barons run on you, a hound, a lot of other things it’s impossible to escape

[green estuary]

samir tested his at 130%, I see no reason why 150% would suddenly become impossible

and wave 4 of hato's mod has 3 barons
I literally have a mod that buffs cosmic barons and it was still doable for me

[solar cairn]

It seems to me that there should have been a setting where the demons would appear sequentially in groups, and not all at once

As in the campaign and ordinary horde mode from the eternal

[green estuary]

yeah, the demons appear sequentially, that's what 5 rounds are for

[warm ibex]

damn right they do

the cacodemon also has an incredible design with a less than desirable moveset

[frail bloom]

Sorry man I just don't balance my encounters around those speeds

[solar cairn]

Inside the round, it should also happen when they dump all this stuff on you at once

[warm ibex]

if you were even more based, you wouldn't balance them for nightmare either

[frail bloom]

Er ok

[brittle finch]

I wanna do a Nightmare playthrough of the game and then maybe even a Pandemonium playthrough, but I don’t wanna play through the stupid flying and mech levels again 😭

[harsh egret]

btw i assume the timer doesnt go faster in the ripatorium on faster game speeds right?

[green estuary]

there isn't any need to
because faster game speed doesn't actually change anything as far as what's fair and what isn't

[brittle finch]

I feel like it should

[frail bloom]

I mean it's just reaction time right

[solar cairn]

There are no places in the story campaign where 2-3 barons + Komodo + acolyte + a bunch of other things will spawn in a small arena

[green estuary]

"small area"
literally has an enormous arena

[green estuary]

yes

[warm ibex]

I'd argue that the ripatorium needs a smaller arena, if anything

[harsh egret]

^

[green estuary]

the harbor of souls arena might actually be bigger than anything from the campaign

[frail bloom]

I want a doom game with serious sam level of arena size

[harsh egret]

also this isnt the story campaign

might have to accept its a skill issue

[frail bloom]

Bruh the game is 18 bucks

[warm ibex]

it's actually so fucking big. I'd like to have a small arena option since not all encounters are suited for hell's football field

[frail bloom]

Nah wait it's $17.50

[harsh egret]

where the fk is it 18 bucks

[frail bloom]

Bruh

[warm ibex]

on what platform

[frail bloom]

Ps5

[harsh egret]

what

[green estuary]

I think the khalim arena is your "small" option lol

[ionic glade]

If you don’t like them, just crank the damage to demons to 1000% and game speed to 150% strictly for those sections and crank the sliders back to nightmare default when actually playing as the Slayer

[solar cairn]

Well, imagine if all the demons of the arena spawned in the Eternal at once, the players would die in seconds

[frail bloom]

Look!

[warm ibex]

it's still too big imo lol, but you're right

[green estuary]

tell me you've never played a master level without telling me you've never played a master level

[brittle finch]

Just play like Doom 2 or something idk lol

[harsh egret]

skill issue i fear my guy

[oak temple]

After a few updates you can get through these pretty fast, especially the mech ones

[frail bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1441553999391096872/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_6052577f-157b-4031-a461-522ef0095c6a.jpg?ex=69223748&is=6920e5c8&hm=210a9007b8d9e670f0ff1baab15befe934425545d5f471814c62b0a9f280f677&

[wintry forge]

I would like to see a 3 story arena. Nothing too giant and spacious, just some 3rd story rams and ledges to get on

[brittle finch]

Still hate them

[harsh egret]

premium upgrade smartass

[solar cairn]

I tried some, but I didn’t get beyond the first arena

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

Ye so what abt standard then

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[frail bloom]

It applies to standard right

[brittle finch]

Not a bad idea honestly, but idk if I wanna do that either

[oak temple]

What do we all want to see in the DLC?

[harsh egret]

u mean its also 50% off? maybe? i know it is on the microsoft store

[warm ibex]

doom eternal master level creation tutorial: add five heavies and two super heavies to a room no larger than a middle school janitor's closet. rinse and repeat, feel free to add orange demonic walls to make medium arenas smaller

[green estuary]

just because the premium upgrade is 18 bucks doesn't mean the base game is 18 bucks lmao

[frail bloom]

Why would the premium go for less then the standard

That makes no sense to me

[harsh egret]

i checked rn and ps5 has premium edition 50% off at least

[warm ibex]

it's not the premium edition, it's the upgrade iirc

[green estuary]

quite literally lol
their whole M.O. was cramming a shit ton of tanky stuff into increasingly small rooms

[harsh egret]

it is

i checked rn

[warm ibex]

it is the upgrade or it is the premium edition

[harsh egret]

premium edition is 50% off and the game isnt

[warm ibex]

oh sweet lol

[wintry forge]

Premium upgrade, just checked

[harsh egret]

kinda cool if u ask me

[obsidian shard]

I want a DOOM game

[frail bloom]

And I got mine for $100

[harsh egret]

they make more money off of selling that on 50% off and keeping the base game on same price i think lol

than doing both on sale

[warm ibex]

TDA is on a 50% sale on some other PC game platform right now and I hope that applies to steam next week. I don't have a GPU that can run the game at the moment but I'd like to get it on that baller ass sale while I can

[frail bloom]

What gpu are you aiming for

If you're considering one

[harsh egret]

you would usually wanna upgrade most ur other parts too tho tbh, depends what u have i guess

[wintry forge]

The Dark Ages Edition GPU 🤓

[obsidian shard]

You are cooked

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[brittle finch]

I wanna order DoorDash, but I have to pay a $5 delivery fee and then tip the person so they don’t spit in my food

[wintry forge]

Hell naw lmao. Too expensive even when it was available

[brittle finch]

Then it’s $20 for $13 of food 💔

[warm ibex]

oh my pc surpasses the recommended requirements, I'm just using a GPU that's built for 3D Modeling (since that's what I'm in school for right now)

[harsh egret]

oh shit MY MAN