#the-dark-ages

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rotund rune
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A custom horde mode on Doom where you can fully customize it?

frail bloom
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Nah but just borrow some codes and have fun

broken thunder
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theres nothing wrong

frail bloom
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Ok I added my ripatorium thing

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I'll make another one soon that uses my old sets

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I got like 11 so I can make a couple

mystic barn
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Currently developing a new encounter titled "Ablation of the Subconscious"

elder raven
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fallout 4

frail bloom
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I have no idea what that means but sounds awesome

frosty roost
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wtf doom slayer ain't in fallout??

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makes zero sense

frail bloom
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Wait I can't see my ripatorium preset

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I added it and it's gone

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There I added it again

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I think close post deletes it

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So I just unfollowed it there

hard thistle
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Thinking about another Doom Eternal plothole that is bothering me that nobody talks about, and I'm kind of struggling to figure out how to make it make sense. Hmm.

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I wish I could pick the writers' brains sometimes about stuff like this. I don't like the time discrepancy bullshit.

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(I know this isn't the Eternal channel but nobody's using that.)

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It's frustrating because basically:

  • The Codex emphasizes a Khan Maykr is supposed to rule for 10,000 years at the most. Cool.
  • The Codex also says that the Khan creates the Divinity Machine many years before Doomguy gets to Argent D'Nur, during the reign of King Roan.
  • This is the same Khan as the one from Eternal. Therefore, it's very, very likely that the Maykrs have only ruled Argent D'Nur for less than 10,000 years before Doomguy arrived to Argent D'Nur.
  • But... the Sentinel lore takes place about... 60 million years before Eternal takes place?
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I guess "plothole" isn't the right word because there isn't a contradiction here.

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But it feels wrong, right? Doesn't that feel wrong? Everything in Eternal regarding the Sentinels feels like it's describing a civilization that fell, like, a few hundred years ago or something. The ruins look that way, anyway. The Sentinels actively know about the Slayer and still revere him. Sentinel history is well-kept. But like, for 60 million years?

frail bloom
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So maybe the khan is able to keep living bc of smt

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How did she live past her lifespan

green estuary
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isn't she able to prolong her lifespan because of argent

hard thistle
frail bloom
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Er so what did I miss

hard thistle
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My issue is more that the in-game depiction of Argent D'Nur as a fallen empire feels completely incongruent with the lore's statement of how long ago this was. It's, again, not really a plothole but something that feels incredibly off the more and more I think about it.

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How long have humans IRL been a functioning, sentient civilization? What, like, a few hundred thousand years?

frail bloom
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Ohhh

hard thistle
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It just feels... off. And you can try to explain it with like, "oh well Argent D'Nur is its own realm so time is passing differently there..." but it's not a different realm! Argent D'Nur is almost explicitly stated to be a planet in the same realm as Eternal's Earth because of Hebeth.

frail bloom
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60 mil years is a lot for them to basically regress as a civilization

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You'd think they would be gone by now

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I guess in terms of logistics ye it is a pretty long time

hard thistle
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I mean they're certainly in dire straits by the time Eternal happens. But man - 60 million years. That just feels fucked up.

ionic glade
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Probably can be chalked up to them forgetting their own lore as evidenced by Hugo forgetting that only the Witch’s physical avatar was killed but not her actually. That or Argent D’Nur is cursed due to being beaten and occupied by Hell and being under the Maykrs thumb essentially

mystic barn
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For a while, I've been of the opinion that Sentinels keep time differently. Similarly, I cannot rationally fathom that Doomguy's crusades as a Night Sentinel lasted eons. It just seems like religious texts inflating for dramatic purpose, similar to supposed 500 year old people in the Bible; they aren't actually 500 years old (probably 90 or so), but their wisdom and life experience could span 500 years

frail bloom
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Very specific years too

hard thistle
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I remember arguing with someone on Reddit a few years ago who tried to tell me two things:

  1. The Slayer ends up in the sarcophagus right after the Sentinel lore, there is no huge timespan where he's in Hell, it's right after the Betrayal
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  2. The Sentinel lore in TDA happens in the Third Age, not the First Age.

I consider this incorrect because Doom 2016 explicitly says Argent D'Nur was "a world that was colonized in the First Age of Ascension." That guy claims the Codex means "the Wraiths colonized Argent D'Nur during the planet's First Age!" which I think is bullshit because 1) Eternal tells us the Sentinels named their eras "The Time of Man" or "The Time of Grief," not Ages, and 2) the Wraiths did not colonize Argent D'Nur, they just went there and were worshipped.

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Conversations like that kind of distress me a bit, because the thing I'm saying isn't objectively correct but I feel strongly it's the blatant intention of the story. But sometimes I get a nugget of doubt, like what if I'm wrong? Maybe my understanding of the entire fucking timeline is wrong based on a misunderstanding of a Codex line.

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So that conversation came to mind regarding the 60 million years thing. Now I'm a bit bothered!

hard thistle
hard thistle
# mystic barn For a while, I've been of the opinion that Sentinels keep time differently. Simi...

The issue mainly is that "60 million years" isn't a conjectural history thing, but a fact stated about Agaddon Hunters. The Codex says that 60 million years ago, the Sentinels colonized Earth and the Deag Priests found Agaddon Hunters, who were fucking around on Earth at the time, and they started turning them into Doom Hunters to sic on the Slayer during the Argenta Civil War.
Which means the Sentinel lore, at least TDA's era, is roughly 60-80 million years before the events of Doom Eternal, from an Earth perspective.

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And that part of the Codex kind of hinges on this timespan because it insists that Earth had no complex life on it other than Agaddon Hunters at the time.

frail bloom
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Lol why are there only giant ape monsters

hard thistle
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I've never had an issue with the Slayer spending a few billion years in Hell, that part is fine. But I'm having trouble reconciling the idea that the Argent D'Nur I'm looking at in Doom Eternal is 60 million years after The Dark Ages from that planet's perspective.

ionic glade
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Could very well be a case where since NuDoom Earth and Argent D’Nur are in different galaxies but the same universe, time moves differently where their respective planets are located

hard thistle
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But I didn't mind that because the Sentinels alone already mean Doom's Earths have to have wildly different histories than IRL Earth does.

hard thistle
frail bloom
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Maybe that's your hint

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Things develop way slower

hard thistle
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This is getting into, like, IRL physics and shit and I know I sound smart when I talk about Doom but that knowledge does not apply to real life.

frail bloom
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Animals, civilizations

mystic barn
frail bloom
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Organisms develop slower, maybe that goes for civilizations like the sentinels

hard thistle
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But yeah this just bothers me, the idea that 60 million years of time have passed from the Sentinels' perspective between TDA and Eternal just bothers me, and it does not at all match what the game itself is showing us with city ruins that look maybe a few hundred years old.

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I am not really sure how to reconcile this, and I would really like to.

frail bloom
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The air preserves everything better lmao

mystic barn
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I can give you a real world answer, but it wouldn't jive with the lore

hard thistle
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Ultimately I'd rather be wrong and then let that help me be right than just be confused.

faint jackal
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is there a lore reason serrat doesn’t have actual wings? Is he stupid?

frail bloom
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Yes

hard thistle
faint jackal
frosty roost
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I read somewhere where Serrat had his wings clipped off when he was attacked by demons along with his front two arms

faint jackal
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Unless some dragons just don’t have wings

mystic barn
# hard thistle I'm fine with any answers or any discussion on the topic.

In the Eternal Agaddon codex, it's stated that modern scientist date the Agaddons at 80 million years using carbon dating. Due to the half life decay of carbon, it cannot reliably be used to date anything older than about 50,000 years, resulting in far out estimates like our 80Ma figure. Judging by the desiccation on the Agaddon corpses in Eternal, it suggests they were preserved in permafrost and couldn't be older than 100,000 years. In the codex, it's only stated that the Deag Priests used the Agaddons "millennia" ago, so this could definitely fit in with the 10,000 years you're hypothesising.

faint jackal
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Btw whoever moved Doom TDA into its own separate category, you have me a heart attack. I thought the channel was deleteddoomcry

frosty roost
hard thistle
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Pasting relevant Codex entries here.

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Cultist Base:

Built over the ruins of an ancient Argenta settlement, the Cultist facility has been designed as both a gothic monument to the ancient architecture and a state-of-the art science facility. Tablets and memory banks found at the settlement indicate that the Order of the Deag discovered Earth millennia ago and found it to be populated with powerful, primeval beasts.
Doom Hunter Base:
The UAC's polar cultist facility is built around the ruins of an ancient Argenta settlement constructed over 60 million years ago, during Argent D'Nur's extraterrestrial expansion. Frozen carcasses of the Agaddon Hunters have been located in the glacial wastes surrounding the complex, and though their DNA structure reveals them to be indigenous to Earth there is no fossilized record of these creatures beyond the frozen territories of the Argenta settlement. Carbon dating of the remarkably well-preserved beasts suggests they are nearly 80 million years old, pre-dating all other known forms of complex Earth-based life.
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A similar program occurred at this location millennia ago, when Deag Priests (often cited as Hell Priests) bred the creatures and genetically modified them to function as 'Doom Hunters' - fearsome mutants designed to battle the Doom Slayer and his Night Sentinels during the Unholy Crusades on Argent D'Nur.
Doom Hunter:
Once a race of beast-like hunters, the Doom Hunter creature was known to Sentinel warriors in ages past as lethal stalkers of the Metal Age. Extracted from the frozen depths of the polar tundra, the Doom Hunter belongs to an ancient race uncovered during Cultist excavation in the remote arctic. Preserved below the frozen ice for millions of years, the unearthed remains of this creature were deemed suitable for reconstruction, becoming the subject of Cultist necro-regenerative bio-experimentation.

hard thistle
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I should've had the common sense to realize "millennia ago" and "millions of years ago" cannot be talking about the same fucking thing and I'm hitting myself in the head for that. A millennium is a thousand years.

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The Cultist Base Codex file suggests that Earth was discovered by the Sentinels millennia ago, indicating only a couple thousand years. But the Doom Hunter Base explicitly says that the Sentinel settlement in question was constructed 60 million years ago, during Argent D'Nur's extraterrestrial expansion.

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This is fucked up to me, because the Sentinels did not start travelling beyond the stars and colonizing other worlds until after the Maykrs came to them.

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Now, I can buy the Sentinels constructing a settlement on Earth only for the Deag to discover Earth again way later. That tracks to me, because other details suggest that the various Sentinel colonies were disparate from one another and didn't keep constant communication until the Bethian Clansmen invented slipgates to enable instant travel.

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But the timeframe specifically is still fucked up.

mystic barn
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Is it suggesting some sort of time dilation? If we're to assume the modern scientists did accurately date the ages of the Argenta settlement and the Agaddons (80-60Ma respectively; I still maintain the lore writers used a horseshit dating method), then it would suggest that the Sentinels exploited some sort of wormhole to travel 60 million lightyears to Earth so that they can build their settlement technically in the past but still within the 10,000 year time frame that would be logical for the Sentinel's extraterrestrial expansion phase. This isn't really how time dilation works, but for the purposes of the story, it could absolutely justify the Sentinels discovering Earth millennia ago in their time, but 60Ma in our time. In regards to the "pre-dating all other known forms of complex Earth-based life", that indicates to me that the Agaddons were responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs, eradicating all traces of them using their superior combat and intellect (if we're using real world logic though, humans had to have evolved on Earth from something AND there would still be fossils of dinosaurs older than 80 million years around the world in far deeper strata that would inevitably be pushed up by geologic movements and plate tectonics)

hard thistle
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I honestly just don't think Earth history is the same in Doom's timeline, since, like, obviously IRL we came from a common mammal ancestor and in Doom, spacemen came to Earth, forgot about their origins, and became us.

mystic barn
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Yeah, that's ultimately just my nitpicky need for prehistory lol

hard thistle
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I'm struggling to understand thus. God damn it. Hmm

mystic barn
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If it is some time dilation bullshit, then we'd be working on Interstellar logic (kind of)

hard thistle
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Are you saying that from a Sentinel POV, they came to Earth 10K years ago, but from an Earth POV it was 60 million years ago?

mystic barn
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Yeah, essentially

hard thistle
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I don't actually know anything about time dilation aside from the very specific fictional application of "haha time goes by slower in Hell so for every year on Earth it's like 50 in Hell."

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What is the logic with time dilation here? Not, like, IRL but like Interstellar, movie logic. Would time just be... faster on Argent D'Nur somehow?

mystic barn
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Not necessarily. It just means that Argent D'Nur is 60 million lightyears away from Earth. This isn't the exact ratio because I can't be fucked to do the maths, but it would boil down to "1 second in Argent D'Nur is equivalent to 1 hour on Earth", that kind of thing. Assuming that Argent D'Nur is near a star in a similar habitable zone to Earth, then time would be the same (as in a second - the unit - on Argent D'Nur is still a second on Earth). It's just that the vast distance between Argent D'Nur and Earth would make time slip

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Put it this way, if Sentinels were to take a massive telescope with pristine quality and look at Earth, they would see Agaddons roaming about. They could then use a wormhole from their world to Earth and live among the Agaddons

hard thistle
mystic barn
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Not time travel in the Back to the Future sense, but kinda, yeah

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If we're to use the logic that time in Hell is fucky, then the Sentinels could have used Hell as an interdimensional highway (a la the DOOM bible), and that spat them out on Earth 60Ma in the past. Honestly, I'm not entirely sure, just spitballing

warm ibex
# hard thistle But this would basically be time travel, right? They only see Agaddons because l...

I wanted to add something really quickly that I'm not sure if you're aware of (just a general thing, not exclusive to this conversation). In the previous dev stream Hugo confirmed that they sometimes use the fiction artists write for their worlds and characters, so it's worth noting that some things might not line up simply because different people are writing different things with different storylines in mind and all of it is being adapted to an extent. That's not to say that anyone is a bad writer or being careless, but there's a lot that seems to contribute to lore/story mishaps and it definitely starts to add up when you view it under a certain light

hard thistle
warm ibex
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Making sense in Doom itself is what I was referring to. It might not line up at all

hard thistle
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Essentially I just want to see if there is a way I can understand the story to where, from the Sentinels' standpoint, it has not been 60 million fucking years since The Dark Ages' events like it apparently is for Earth. Because that is kind of insane and the more I think about it the more it bothers me, because again this just does not smell right when you look at Eternal's levels.

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Hmm.

warm ibex
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60 million years is a ridiculous amount of time

hard thistle
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Like, it makes sense from Earth's POV. And it makes sense from the Slayer's. But as soon as you see Exultia it stops making sense.

hard thistle
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So what you're saying is - and this part is just general physics stuff - that because of how light years work, from an objective standpoint, even then the planets of Earth and Argent D'Nur are 60 million years away from each other from a time standpoint, right? Universally, everything, not just "measurements of time" but everything that obeys the speed of light, if you're going from Argent D'Nur to Earth or vice versa, it's gonna take 60M years.

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So that's just an objective thing. It's not the same as the distance from, like, one side of your room to the other, because both are observable at once.

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So if that is the case, then if the Sentinels use a teleporter to get to Earth, or Hell, or something where technically they aren't going "back" but they are going there much faster than the laws of time and space should allow them to, then that would enable them to get to Earth 60 million years "early."

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So then, in that case, that explains why the Sentinels can interact with an Earth of 60 million years ago, even though on their end it was only, like, 5000 years ago or something.

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And presumably, if we did that, it'd be switched - we'd be interacting with an Argent D'Nur of 60 million years ago, before the Maykrs or maybe even the Wraiths got there.

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Am I getting this right? Like is that what you're saying?

mystic barn
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Yeah, that's pretty spot on

hard thistle
# mystic barn Yeah, that's pretty spot on

Okay, so potential wrench in this theory. The Slayer teleports from Earth's orbit - and later Earth itself, in TAG2 - directly to Argent D'Nur, but we don't get there "early" - we are arriving to a present-day Argent D'Nur.

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That's not right, right? Like this should work the same both ways.

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Or am I wrong?

mystic barn
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Ideally yes. You could hand wave that away as "Sentinels have developed their technology further yada yada"

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I don't think it's well thought out at all. Frankly, I don't think I even agree with the time dilation idea

hard thistle
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Maybe, like. The Deag got to Earth through Hell, interdimensional road like you said. Hell is literally outside of the mortal realm, so it's a shortcut. The Deag punch through reality and then punch back into Earth, and other than the time passed in Hell, it was basically instantaneous.

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But from Doomguy's perspective, when he teleports from Earth to Argent D'Nur, teleporting is different. It's not a shortcut. It's fast-forward.

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He isn't going to Argent D'Nur instantly. He's travelling the full 60 million light years, just really, really fast, way faster than light itself, so when he gets there, he's still remained in cooperation with time's linear road- he just sped on the way there.

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...I don't know if that's making any sense.

mystic barn
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No I 100% understand what you're saying. Whether or not this is actually the case is up for debate though

hard thistle
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Well, I'm very sure the real and objective answer is "the writers weren't as coordinated with each other as I'd have liked."

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But I've never liked authorial intent and I'm not too concerned with which answer is closest to the writers' intentions; I'm more concerned with what makes the most sense for the story in my view.

hard thistle
mystic barn
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Man, that's tough because on the one hand, I feel like time dilation is such a story copout, but it explains the one way travel to Earth from Argent D'Nur. You kinda have to get a bit hand wavy for the inverse, but it works. On the other end of the spectrum, it's also a copout to say "well the lore's wrong because of x, y, and z". I think the way in which we've discussed here, time dilation could work with the caveat that Hell is used as an interdimensional highway. I don't think it's right to reject the lore and replace it with unsubstantiated headcanon (like my insistence that Agaddons just aren't 80 million years old)

hard thistle
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Yeah I get what you mean.

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I'm fine with supplementing with headcanon if it's to help the story make sense rather than to just replace the parts you don't think make sense at all.

hard thistle
hard thistle
# mystic barn Man, that's tough because on the one hand, I feel like time dilation is such a s...

But I think we can make the Agaddon Hunters themselves more sensible when you take the Telos Realm shit into account. I can buy the Agaddons being 60-80 million years old if they've spent basically all of it in ice.
Keep in mind there are technically two kinds of Doom Hunters. Eternal's Doom Hunters are reanimated corpses given life through cybernetic implants and Hell magic. The original Doom Hunters of the Argenta Civil War were not these - those were simply genetically-modified Agaddon Hunters, which had been found in the arctic. No death, no digging-up-from-the-ice.

red peak
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Hey so if I wanted to make yt videos showing the challenges people are making in the ripitorium, should I give credit the creators or no? Cause I dont just wanna show the challenges without giving credit, but at the same time I dont want them to get flooded with friend requests if one of these videos ho viral

hard thistle
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The potential inconvenience you could cause by crediting someone isn't gonna be as bad as the potential frustration or calling out that would happen by not crediting someone who would've preferred to be credited.

red peak
hard thistle
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I think it's safe to say that Agaddon Hunters as we see them in TDA aren't just enhanced by cybernetics but are outright demons now, and demon lifespans are something the series has almost never touched on. I think it would be a reasonable take to say maybe the Deag brought the Agaddon Hunter demons to the arctic and then modified them there, kind of ignoring the whole "native to Earth" thing but not completely undoing Earth's part in their backstory.

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I dunno though.

supple oracle
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Does anyone has this problem, the demons despawned in the ripatorium, happened to me round 5 and round 3 in sadistic preset

mystic barn
# hard thistle But yeah, basically, Ranak insists that Agaddons are native to "the Telos Realm,...

I did think about the Telos Realm, but I honestly don't know what to do with that information lol. I do find it curious that if the Deag brought the Agaddons to Earth for their experimentation, that there was a total lack of life altogether. I suppose though that the only animal we see on Earth is a demonic-looking shark. You would know better than anyone else, but could the Telos Realm just describe the Arctic Circle (which is named strangely, as I doubt there are bears in modern DOOM), where the Agaddons were found?

green estuary
supple oracle
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happened twice in round 5 🙁

green estuary
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rip

hard thistle
# mystic barn I did think about the Telos Realm, but I honestly don't know what to do with tha...

I originally thought this, that maybe the Sentinels once called Earth the Telos Realm. 2016 set a precedent for this - it referred to Argent D'Nur as a whole-ass realm that was absorbed by Hell, then Eternal revealed it was a planet. It was obviously a retcon, but I thought maybe it just meant realms and planets can be the same thing now.

As much as I found that idea acceptable, I think with TDA doubling down on the Agaddons coming from another world that the idea is indeed that they are native to another far-off land called the Telos Realm.

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Here's what I think. The Telos Realm IMO is probably some primordial world that was around very soon after the Earthly Realms were created, and maybe one of the first worlds Hell invaded. The Agaddons became native demons from there, and eventually the Deag would experiment on them later in the First Age.

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And I think, if that is the case, then you can make the argument Eternal is a bit confused on Agaddons being "native to Earth," and you can make the argument the UAC/ARC merely assumed this based on the fossils, not making the connection that the Deag brought them there.

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That is what I think. The Deag were the ones to bring the Agaddons to a barren Earth, and eventually they left them behind to die in the ice. Then Ranak dug up their corpses in Eternal and turned them into Doom Hunters.

boreal gust
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Why my game shows it's running at 100+ fps but the camera movement feels like 30fps?

daring linden
boreal gust
boreal gust
hard thistle
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IIRC sometimes Windows sets it to 60Hz by default even if there is a higher option.

boreal gust
solar cairn
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Presented the ripatorium arena where 6-7 arch create demons at the same time

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It’s infinite horde..

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Jesus Christ..

faint jackal
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Sounds like fun

solar cairn
warm ibex
faint jackal
green estuary
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somebody needs to make a version of this gif with doomguy instead of ltg

green estuary
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haven't gotten around to playing any of your guys' presets yet, but I did the sadistic preset on 300% damage with 8 minutes, and it was pretty awesome

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turns out the guys who make the video games are good at designing encounters for said video games lol

warm ibex
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this vega bot is killing me man

warm ibex
obsidian shard
harsh egret
cerulean pagoda
obsidian shard
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(this community is full of immensely talented people)

green estuary
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you know what
armored arachnotrons are the most bullshit enemy in this game

ancient nexus
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Hello! Is Everyone Having Fun With Ripatorium 2.0? I Know I Am! Much Improvement Than Ripatorium 1.0. It is Not Perfect, But A Kickass Experience Playing The New Video Game Feature. RIP & TEAR, UNTIL IT IS DONE! Haha.

green estuary
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them and cacodemons are the two worst designed enemies in this game, by far

obsidian shard
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(Im coping and seething)

thin hound
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And armored arachnotrons are pretty easy, I like them

green estuary
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you are correct, difficulty does not equate to bad design
having incredibly fast seeking projectiles that break your shield in 2 hits and are nearly impossible to dodge, as well as being able to spam proximity mines that delete your whole health bar, on the other hand
that is bad design

thin hound
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I’ll admit I haven’t tried the game on nightmare difficulty yet though

green estuary
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they do not integrate well at all with other enemies

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they're mostly fine in the campaign where big enemies are more sparse, but as soon as you begin to include encounters with multiple threatening demons in them they just introduce an incredible amount of bullshit

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same with cacos

cerulean pagoda
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arachnotrons are unusually annoying for me for some reason idk why

thin hound
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I just find the armored arachnotron attack pattern to be unique and really cool

green estuary
thin hound
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They are glass cannons though

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High priority

cerulean pagoda
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one ssg shot and theres a spider on the gates of hell

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armored ones is just the same but you need 2 ssg shots with a shield toss in between

green estuary
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yeah, they're no biggie by themselves

cerulean pagoda
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or one charged chainshot will put them in execution state

thin hound
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On a side note, the new update adds a lot of physics that I really like, and strangely it feels similar to how it was shown in the trailers

green estuary
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regular arachnotrons I don't mind as much, because they actually are glass cannons
armored arachnotrons essentially require the same amount of firepower to take down as a battle knight, which kinda just makes them cannons

cerulean pagoda
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an armored arachnotron is the same level of annoyingness as a chaingunner

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maybe a little more because you can instakill the chaingunner by strategically recalling your shield while youve thrown it behind it

mystic barn
green estuary
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a chaingunner deals like a quarter of the damage of an armored arachnotron

thin hound
cerulean pagoda
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didnt notice that yet nvm

cerulean pagoda
green estuary
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I was finishing up UN yesterday, and I legit launched a revenant off of a cliff in harbor of souls
it was great doomguy_grin

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could see his body falling all the way down too

thin hound
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Where you hit an enemy, but because it puts the game in slow motion their velocity increases for some reason, then when it goes back to full speed they are flying to space

fading osprey
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delicious

cerulean pagoda
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when i get enough free hours ill finish up un myself

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i need that gold skin

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every cell of my body demands it

green estuary
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ok, just checked
on default nightmare, an arachnotron grenade can deal up to 137 damage kekw

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wtf is this bro

warm ibex
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arachnophobia. it was made with you in mind

green estuary
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for christ's sake

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fine I'll do it

fading osprey
warm ibex
cerulean pagoda
green estuary
# fading osprey What’s the usual dmg?

the grenade has splash damage, so it deals more damage the closer you are to it
on default nightmare 250% damage, if you just happen to be at the edge of the explosion radius when it goes off, it just deals a little less than 40 damage, whereas if you're right on top of it then it'll deal 112 damage
but if you're unlucky enough to get bonked in the face by a grenade when the arachnotron is launching them, then you take 25 direct impact damage plus 112 splash damage, so 137 damage
and bear in mind arachnotrons launch 5 grenades at a time

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their chaingun/ballista are supposed to encourage you to get really close to them to deal with them quickly, yet their mines are purpose-built to punish you for even trying to do that

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the design philosophy does not make sense

mystic barn
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Not if you shield bash

green estuary
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again, depends on the arena
if you see them pretty early as they spawn in, then you get the jump on them and no big deal
if you don't see them because there are a decent amount of heavies in the arena, then they get all the time in the world to plant their mines

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and then you try to shield bash, and boom
a bajillion damage right in your face

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I give regular arachnotrons a pass because you can work around their chaingun to take them out at a distance if necessary, but armored arachnotrons are just ridiculous

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oh, and that's not even mentioning the fact that armored arachnotrons can snipe you from behind cover or another enemy, because their projectiles will literally curve around obstacles

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they don't even need line of sight

warm ibex
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I have legitimately never have any trouble with arachnotrons, armored or regular

obsidian shard
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Same

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for me its on sight

warm ibex
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they're legitimate cannon fodder nine times out of ten. even the armored versions are super easy to take out

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not to downplay or discredit @green estuary

green estuary
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like I said, they're unthreatening in the campaign because threatening enemies are usually spaced out pretty widely

warm ibex
green estuary
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it's not that the encounters are poorly balanced per se
it's that armored arachnotrons and cacos do not integrate well with other enemies

warm ibex
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I completely agree that cacos rarely fit in to the enemy roster (and personally feel like their attacks may be leftover from an older version of the game)

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but I'd be lying if I said that the value of an arachnotron was lost on me

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pressure units that demand your attention, often over other threats that are technically more powerful

green estuary
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the problem lies in what their abilities are
unless you just completely negate their mines by killing them before that ability comes off cooldown, then it runs completely contrary to what they're supposed to force you to do

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you're encouraged to get close to them to finish them off quickly, but how can you be expected to do so safely if they place mines right next to them explicitly to prevent that

warm ibex
green estuary
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you're kinda proving my point
the best way to counteract them is to just kill them before they get to use their abilities

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obviously that can be said about a lot of enemies, but few enemies have the capability to punish you so hard for not doing so

harsh egret
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i mightve cooked a lil smth

warm ibex
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generally low health and easy to take out. Almost a glass cannon, but not quite

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I don't understand how that goes against general gameplay balance or makes them "not integrate well with other enemies". Are we certain this isn't personal bias seeping its way into balancing discussion?

harsh egret
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(i recommend 4k)

warm ibex
green estuary
# warm ibex they're an intentional high priority target

there are a million high priority target enemies in this game
mortar mancs, arachnotrons, armored arachnotrons, cacodemons, acolytes, chaingunners, etc
just because they're supposed to be a high-priority target does not mean that they should just have ridiculously busted abilities for no reason

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regular arachnotrons, like I said, kinda get a pass because they're not very tanky and you can manipulate their chaingun fire if you have cover

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armored arachnotrons will literally snipe the hell out of you regardless of cover, then give you the middle finger if you dare to get close to them

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also good preset btw

harsh egret
green estuary
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too much toxic goo though lol

harsh egret
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lmao

uneven dragon
obsidian shard
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Bloody COOKED iinnit mate

warm ibex
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I think a more fair "busted ability" argument would be the caco projectile or nightmare stalker lunge

green estuary
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I just watched an armored arachnotron arrow curve around a vagary and hit me

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That ranged attack is ridiculously busted

harsh egret
warm ibex
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alright that's valid lol

green estuary
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The tracking is egregious

warm ibex
harsh egret
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ive been too busy but ill have to play samirs preset and yours horde tmr

warm ibex
obsidian shard
harsh egret
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ive heard good things!

green estuary
warm ibex
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orrange arrows?

green estuary
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Yeah their ballista shots

warm ibex
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six months into this game and I've never noticed that

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maybe you've been valid this entire time

green estuary
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How 😭

warm ibex
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or maybe I've been valid since I've gone this long without it being enough of an issue for me to notice

warm ibex
green estuary
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I’ll get a video

warm ibex
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alright awesome

warm ibex
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and also dragon by extent since that's literally just standing and fighting

warm ibex
harsh egret
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they're pretty fast

warm ibex
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I think I have seen those maybe, just never realized they come from the armored arachnotrons

harsh egret
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tbh never thought about it either

warm ibex
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because it's lowkey a nonissue 😭

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unless you're katsu, who is relentlessly hunted by an army of armored arachnotron arrows

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he spends every waking moment of his life cowering in fear. he never knows when the next arrow may curve around a vagary...

green estuary
harsh egret
fervent maple
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Ballistatrons are no joke

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Take your eyes off them for a moment and they'll quickly become an issue, especially if left alone for a while

green estuary
fervent maple
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They're really powerful alongside pressure units like hell knights and whiplashes, especially in groups

harsh egret
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post this image to jumpscare Katsu

fervent maple
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Homing projectiles, area denial with grenades and waves, a really inconvenient green projectile to parry

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That one extra hit it takes to kill them can often be life or death

warm ibex
fervent maple
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They aren't annoying to me, I actually really like them as an enemy

warm ibex
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I like them a lot as well, both variants of them

fervent maple
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Mid to high priority depending on the arena

warm ibex
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true true, valid and fair

solar spoke
# fervent maple Ballistatrons are no joke

Agreed, I got consistently screwed by them on round 2 sadistic over and over again. Best thing to do is just chainshot them and move on to the caco before the worse ones have tme to swarm you

green estuary
warm ibex
fervent maple
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Frankly it's not so much them as it is the horrendously low time limit

warm ibex
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When testing, I'd always immediately seek out the arachnotron variants

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navigating around the super heavies in order to take out the arachnotrons is intended

solar spoke
fervent maple
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I didn't have much success with any runes or melee besides Heaven Splitter and the Dreadmace

solar spoke
fervent maple
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That, and the cacos + the acolytes. It was often down to whether they'd do their lightning wall and clone respectively at the beginning or not.

green estuary
# warm ibex The idea behind most of Arachnophobia is to force the player into prioritizing a...

in principle it's a sound idea
except in execution, a lot of the times arenas that include too high a demand for "enemy prioritization" in this game just end up not being all that fun, because your mobility isn't the highest
your arena worked fine, mostly because the vagaries are big enough to actually grant a decent amount of cover from the arachnotrons, funnily enough
(although the overabundance of goo was a little annoying)

fervent maple
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Cycler is vital for damage stacking and quick CC; a good strategy I landed on was electrocuting and killing some of the weaker heavies and using them to falter the super heavies, like the revs + agaddon in wave 1

green estuary
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the shock falters are so satisfying

solar spoke
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Nothing's better than watching it arc through fodders like dominos

fervent maple
warm ibex
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like of course it doesn't work well with tons of high priority targets. that's just bad balancing

solar spoke
frail bloom
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Why is Hato's preset so popular

warm ibex
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because he's the fucking GOAT

frail bloom
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Congratulations Hato

harsh egret
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pay me ill make you a trailer too

frail bloom
warm ibex
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we don't have the money to afford that sort of raw talent

harsh egret
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then go ahead and cook

frail bloom
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I gotta finish my archie animation first

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I'm almost done but I slack off so much

green estuary
harsh egret
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i believe in u broski

green estuary
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either they're pushovers, or they just destroy your health bar, there's no in between

frail bloom
#

Worth the nonexistent wait? Maybe maybe not but I don't see much decent 2d doom fight animations so I wanna be a forerunner

warm ibex
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but admittedly not the absolute greatest glass cannon

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fair is fair, you've got me there

green estuary
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armored arachnotrons are as tough as battle knights
they're not really glass cannons at that point

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actually, battle knights have 18k hp + 6k from the armor, but armored arachnotrons have 15k hp + 6k armor, so not quite as tough, but similar
in practical terms they're tougher than mancs

obsidian shard
harsh egret
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what i personally love the most is when u get cool new ideas after u finish smth

harsh egret
green estuary
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yeah, cuz for some reason arachnotrons take more damage from the ssg, while battle knights have resistance to it

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one of the many mysteries of id's balancing team

harsh egret
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oh yeah true

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i mean i kinda do feel like armored arachnotrons are more of a threat than battle knights tho

green estuary
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they are

harsh egret
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so i feel like its somewhat fair to have it like this?

green estuary
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eh idk
I'm not a fan of overly specific damage mitigation to begin with

harsh egret
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they are sorta play the same role but one sits at range and punishes u for not getting rid of it fast, but you can kill it off faster. while the other one pushes you up close, easier to parry and generally deal with their attacks but also a bit more tanky

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"they are sorta play the same role" lel

round owl
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Sadistic is pretty sadistic

green estuary
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it's not bad at all besides the time limit

harsh egret
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i tried it a few times but always ran out of time on the last round

green estuary
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yeah I didn't bother with the 5 minute time limit

warm ibex
green estuary
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especially considering I play with runes at essentially 50% power

round owl
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Ya the time is the hard part ofc

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If you can just wait for attacks the game is easy

green estuary
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🤨

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the game does not become easy if you have unlimited time lol
if that were the case, then wouldn't the campaign be absurdly easy?

harsh egret
round owl
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The campaign is pretty easy…..

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Like Eternal and 2016 kicked my teeth in on Nightmare

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TDA I had to up speed and lower resources to get near that

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And it’s still way more forgiving

green estuary
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it's just down to the parry window

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they did themselves a huge disservice by setting the parry timing to be much too forgiving

harsh egret
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i remember they said they would add a level to the slider where your parries have to be near pixel perfect

round owl
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I think it’s funny that was referenced as “Sekiro” mode

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Cause sekiro has a hugely forgiving parry

green estuary
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the second-lowest parry setting in tda is the exact same time window as sekiro funnily enough

round owl
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Anyway my point was that waiting for attacks makes the game just easier, cause it’s just “press L1 at the right time.”

green estuary
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the problem is that default nightmare has much too forgiving a parry window, so people play it and say "game too easy"

round owl
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You can make the “press L1” thing harder

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But that’s not making anything else in the game more interesting

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You don’t play any differently

green estuary
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by that logic, you can reduce every other game down to its base mechanics and make them sound stupid lol

frail bloom
green estuary
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eternal is literally just the meathook jumping game

harsh egret
frail bloom
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Tell me one time ssg and gauss canon does not work

green estuary
green estuary
hearty edge
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why did no one tell me ripartorium 2.0 is out

frail bloom
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You play with what you're comfortable with

harsh egret
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and uv should be 2nd lowest

frail bloom
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You craft your playstyle

unkempt dragon
#

Hi, everyone having a good day today with the new channel?🙂

hearty edge
green estuary
round owl
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I’m not saying it shouldn’t be tighter

hearty edge
round owl
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Like sure

frail bloom
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At least dark ages is built with a player choosing one weapon, one rune, one melee in mind

round owl
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I’m just saying you fight an agadon exactly the same way if you have a tighter parry

harsh egret
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you won't guess whats next...

thats right, hmp on 3 and aspiring sl- cough im too young to die on 4

frail bloom
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You can do the max slider run if you want

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You'll be changing weapons all the time

round owl
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Ya I already do lowest resources Nightmare

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So I’m changing weapons a bit

harsh egret
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tho tbh i heard that a large % of players actually changed their sliders even on the first playthrough so at least thats good

frail bloom
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Ye those ppl understood that if they want smt different they have the ability to tune it

green estuary
unique marlin
round owl
green estuary
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the difficulty lies in the execution, not how simple it sounds on paper

round owl
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I said you can make it that

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And unlimited time and lots of space let’s you

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Which is why the time limit it is a lot of the difficulty on sadistic

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Which was what I said first

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Cause it doesn’t let you make it that

frail bloom
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That's it?

round owl
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That was the only I thing said yes

frail bloom
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I mean ye if you are on a time limit it's harder

round owl
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Ya like way way harder was my point

frail bloom
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I think no one disagrees?

round owl
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It’s much much easier without the timer

green estuary
round owl
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I said you could play that way and it makes the game a lot easier

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The time limit ofc means you ain’t gonna do that

green estuary
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yeah, and you said "the game just becomes press L1 at the right time"

unkempt dragon
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I said hi at the wrong timeded

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lmao

frail bloom
#

This is peak dark ages discussion stick around

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Trust

round owl
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Trust

green estuary
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better than "when dlc"

round owl
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When dlc tho

frail bloom
#

Put that on my bingo card

green estuary
#

shit

unkempt dragon
round owl
#

TDA discussion bingo card

Where’s Dark lord 2.0

“Game I haven’t played is too slow”

“Forced raytracing”

“Game is just L1”

“This isn’t eternal why”

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What am I missing

harsh egret
#

when dlc

round owl
#

Tru

frail bloom
harsh egret
#

LOL

green estuary
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"no mick gordon, I'm not buying the game"

frail bloom
#

Never heard that one before

round owl
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Ya that one’s new to me

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Who is this Mike Jordan guy

unkempt dragon
mystic barn
#

I meant it in the 2000s derogatory sense not that all the guys are into each other

unkempt dragon
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Yeah I know.

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don't.

frail bloom
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No but they are accused of using ai

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Somehow.

harsh egret
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show me the average iq of those ppl

green estuary
frail bloom
#

I don't got the time now but it's a thing

harsh egret
#

(no i dont actually want to see)

frail bloom
#

I mean if you're interested I'll show you tommorrow

harsh egret
#

no

frail bloom
#

Alr

round owl
#

You know who uses AI

harsh egret
#

trust me ive seen many comments

round owl
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The ID combat designers

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And those AI kick the shit out of me

harsh egret
solid nacelle
#

I think I understand what Hugo meant now when he said it's impossible to play without the new ragdolls

harsh egret
#

yupp

frail bloom
#

It's so funny I love it

round owl
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Does the player ragdoll more cause that’s the only one I ever see

frail bloom
#

You see a 3 ton manc 4 times your height just zoom

harsh egret
#

honestly its also fkin hilarious literally yeeting revenants across the arena with the mace

unkempt dragon
#

I got to watch Josh play Bloodborne for three hours the other day lolll

harsh egret
#

makes me laugh every time

round owl
#

Sadistic is mostly just a mosh pit of 5 heavies slamming me into a wall

unkempt dragon
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while he watched me crash out on 2016

frail bloom
unkempt dragon
#

we are friends

round owl
#

Prob with eyeballs

harsh egret
#

theres this new technology called screensharing

round owl
#

That’s how I watch stuff

harsh egret
#

write that down

unkempt dragon
frail bloom
#

Ah ok I forgot abt eyeballs

round owl
#

But sometimes I’ll watch stuff with my

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Glasses on

frail bloom
#

"Screen sharing is a thing"

green estuary
harsh egret
#

no but what did u actually mean with "how" lmao

unkempt dragon
#

ew creepy. just found that emoji and h8 it

harsh egret
#

lmao

silent surge
#

finally got a mapset done

green estuary
#

bro cannot comprehend that mr moderator lm 612 is friends with the joshua boyle of id software llc

harsh egret
frail bloom
#

Ok I was gonna explain but there's a bunch of bullies

silent surge
#

i wanted to make a full project out of it but i’ll just release it in pieces. map by map

unkempt dragon
round owl
#

What if Joshua isn’t real

unkempt dragon
#

don't tell

harsh egret
round owl
#

What if he’s actually a Etuber

green estuary
unkempt dragon
green estuary
#

this emoji is terrifying holy shit

harsh egret
#

hahahh

frail bloom
unkempt dragon
#

Banned

round owl
#

What if josh is actually Hugo’s VR chat avatar

unkempt dragon
harsh egret
round owl
#

And he strategically records all streams in two parts

green estuary
round owl
#

And then stitches them together

#

I think I’m onto something

solid nacelle
silent surge
#

what’s with steam cloud being unable to sync

round owl
green estuary
#

literally bounced off the walls lol

round owl
#

I did see one on the Reddit of a Revenant going home run

harsh egret
silent surge
unkempt dragon
harsh egret
#

i said before the game came out that im so down for funny ragdolls and shit over glory kills

#

and now the ragdolls are even funnier

unkempt dragon
#

Also hello Allstin

round owl
#

What’s with OneDrive always asking me to sync

silent surge
#

hello

frail bloom
#

Bro went boing

#

That's hilarious

unkempt dragon
#

I'm gonna go eat spaghetti. Ping me if anything interesting or dumb happens or both

frail bloom
#

Smt dumb happened

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Me

round owl
#

boys whose dumb here

unkempt dragon
meager vortex
frail bloom
round owl
#

Samir making the necessary sacrifice

solar spoke
unkempt dragon
green estuary
solar spoke
#

Me playing sadistic and I'm tweaking out over those damn bolas

green estuary
#

The wonders of tracking projectiles that phase through other enemies

#

Most of id’s game design decisions are so amazing, yet a few of them are so infuriatingly bad that it makes me wonder if the two were even made by the same team

solar spoke
cerulean pagoda
#

i wish the skullcrusher weapons were stronger

#

theyre nerf guns compared to the others

fleet spruce
cerulean pagoda
#

chcecked out ripatorium 2.0 and its great

supple oracle
neon perch
violet horizon
#

Anyone find themselves going back to playing doom eternal…?

green estuary
#

I mean, I'm not gonna stop playing eternal just because a new game came out
it's still a great game

#

not an either or scenario here

unkempt dragon
#

^

sudden stump
warm ibex
#

should feel better after a long break

green estuary
#

800 hours unmodded is kinda crazy
I got tired of the base game after like 180

#

Actually most of that burnout was probably because of my last UN fail

warm ibex
#

which is entirely fair, I feel like UN burns you out faster than anything

green estuary
#

Few of my runs actually made it past cultist/doom hunter base, and those that had ended up losing to the gladiator cuz he’s a piece of shit boss kekw
And the last run where I actually beat the gladiator fair and square, he decides to glitch out on me in his second phase and refuse to GK
Shit was heartbreaking

warm ibex
#

somehow, someway, this is hugo martin's fault

green estuary
#

Somebody in the modding server made a joke about how “each death has something to teach the player” doomguy_dead

round owl
#

It do mess u up

faint jackal
#

It’s understandable that they increased the speed. The maps in TDA are significantly more explorable than in Eternal and encourages the player to seek out secrets or take in the scenery.

fervent maple
#

I feel like the sprint direction is inconsistent. Sometimes I'll move the stick just a little too far to the left or right and it'll stop. I respect that they likely won't have omni sprint, but I would like for it to respect diagonal movements a little better. It feels very imprecise on a controller. This is the only one that I've genuinely come to dislike on a controller, ironically.

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I stick to it because I generally have more fun with it that way, but sprinting and weapon switching feeling a little inconsistent has made me not wanna play it on a controller as much.

violet horizon
#

I dunno guess I’m eternally missing mick Gordon man…..

hearty edge
#

dude ripartorium 2.0 is so good bru

violet horizon
#

Yes it is really good

spark elm
#

I guess game won’t get new achievements until DLC’s come out :(

#

I saw they showed off some red skin for the slayer, is that gonna release?

obsidian shard
#

So you gotta buy the fig to get it

#

Prince Ahzrak has been Unlocked for the DOOM: Arena Board Game!!!

spark elm
#

ohhh

#

I had a Ripatorium run going but I just didn’t have enough time… reran it with much more time and got it done

#

I’ll share codes in a sec

#

Oh I see there’s a place for em…

spark elm
#

I see it on Amazon…

#

I got it off the mcfarlane store website

frosty pine
rain glen
#

Apparently dark ages is nominated for best action game for the game awards and i agree.

#

Doom guy deserves a w

fleet spruce
#

Game Awards are bullshit anyway

magic spoke
#

i only watch them for the announcements tbh

#

sephiroth getting revealed for smash made me lose my voice

mystic barn
violet horizon
mystic barn
#

Put it this way, the music he's been producing since DOOM is still just DOOM music. Like, there's nothing about Cultist Base, for example, that is "more DOOM-like" than the score he's been producing for Defect or that mobile game he did a live event for recently

fleet spruce
#

Hellspawn Rift my beloved

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https://youtu.be/TnZWlx0jD_U?si=YC7VUhUry4dLf2CQ

YouTube
TheDinosaurHeretic
Finishing Move - Hellspawn Rift (DOOM: The Dark Ages Extended Gamer...

DISCLAIMER: I own none of the music featured in this video. It belongs to Bethesda/id Software and Finishing Move. This work is transformative, and is therefore protected by Sections 47 and 47AA of The Copyright Act 1968 (Australia) and Bethesda's own policy on reposting their videogame soundtracks (https://bethesda.net/en/article/3XrnHrB0iAesac...

▶ Play video
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6:16-6:36

frail bloom
#

That guy is hugo martin in disguise

ionic glade
#

Finished Forsaken Plains on UN last night but when I started the level, it immediately awarded me the challenge for hitting 25 enemies with ground fissures. When this bug occurs, do you get the gold for it? I didn’t remember how much I had prior to starting the level so I wasn’t sure

silent surge
obsidian shard
#

@harsh egret the Prince Ahzrak Expansion has been unlocked

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It's Kick starter Exclusive

harsh egret
#

ughh..

obsidian shard
#

Only 25£

harsh egret
#

i had to pay fees for the OST like 20 minutes ago and now this

obsidian shard
#

Why??

harsh egret
#

idk, i would rather ask why didnt i have to pay anything for the CE honestly

#

cuz that shit wouldve sent me to negative money at the time xD

#

everything else ive gotten so far for the most part ive had to pay a fee tho

#

it was about 35% of the price of the ost

obsidian shard
#

But I did get it a week early

harsh egret
#

anyway, ye ive seen that the kickstarter has gotten more and more backers recently

#

so thats nice

#

maybe more stuff will be unlocked by the end of it

obsidian shard
#

Ye or the rest will be KS exclusive or smth

harsh egret
#

oof

obsidian shard
#

Im doing the payment plan

harsh egret
#

yeah same

obsidian shard
#

I think faster then I type

harsh egret
#

lmao all g

harsh egret
#

for now im not missing anything kickstarter exclusive then right

#

apart from the dice trays but yeah

#

damn i wished the old one and the demonic reinforcements stretch goals couldve been reached, cuz those are pretty cool, i kinda doubt at this point that they will be reached

meager vortex
#

remember doom eternal main campaign is dlc

#

some people said where is dlc?! where is it?! i need dlc i want tell them

#

but TDA campaign dlc is different

obsidian shard
meager vortex
#

is he head cut down soon?

#

head less ahzrak

hard thistle
#

Updating the guide, drastically revising the Demonic Crucible section.

#

Probably gonna add some talk of the whole Argent D'Nur time dilation light speed shit too.

solar spoke
#

for fellow steam denizens who play controller too, do you get frame rate drops when you have steam input disabled?

hard thistle
summer summit
#

"Ripatorium"? What's that?

wintry forge
hard thistle
# wintry forge I agree with that!

Oh, hey, was just about to ping you. Big props on your video, finally watched it and it has helped a lot with updating the guide. With permission I'd like to credit it.

solid nacelle
hard thistle
#

I was hesitant to watch it because honestly a lot of Doom lore videos kind of suck and are kind of, like, Game Theory quality where they're cherrypicking a lot of details to push a specific theory. But this was an actually high quality video and pointed out things I hadn't realized I missed, so respect for that.

summer summit
solid nacelle
#

I wouldn't expect something like that to come at any point

wintry forge
hard thistle
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(Man the whispering tree shit bothers me. Can't believe I forgot it.)

wintry forge
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It’s hard to remember tbh, especially since it’s so vague on its true meaning. I actually ran around the Hell missions of TDA in search of Demonic Trees to see if there was anything similar, but no secrets there lol

hard thistle
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I guess, like... if you stretch it real hard, you can argue it's about Davoth. If it was Davoth's Crucible, then you can maybe argue the second statement to mean "Davoth is the dark priest, he was corrupted by the Crucible back in the Jekkad lore, and he's gonna fight the Slayer in one game and two DLCs."

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It would be interesting if it were something like that, but I really doubt it.

wintry forge
# hard thistle I wouldn't be surprised if it were indeed just part of a scrapped plotline, but ...

Exactly. A lot of people pointed to Hayden with the tree prophecy, but Hugo is on record to say that they never planned on Hayden returning as a villain.

I always tried to interpret it as Davoth as the dark priest, but like you said, it’s a bit of stretching. Davoth is much more than some dark priest, but maybe in the demonic prophecy, not even the demons knew who it was, so that’s why they were so generic with their wording regarding the rank of said dark priest

hard thistle
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I just don't think they'd have written this about Davoth, but this specific time refer to him like an obscure stranger when every other time it's "holy shit it's the Nameless One, what a spooky name right?"

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You can make it sort of work but it just doesn't feel right.

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I also am kind of, like... glad that they didn't go the Hayden route.

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I think a lot of fans had this idea of Hayden being an upcoming villain and it's like, we have to kick his ass to stop him from pulling more UAC bullshit or something and he's got the Crucible so it's a totally kickass fight, and it's like - I get his character isn't perfect in Eternal, but I do generally like the Seraphim twist other than a couple contrivances related to 2016. The other idea sounds like it would be in a much more conventional Doom story that didn't have the guts to do weird and cool shit like introduce the Maykrs.

rapid lotus
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You expect new for the dlc in the upcoming xbox showcase ?

green estuary
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Can we turn off slo-mo yet when throwing the shield? Shit annoys me so much

wintry forge
hard thistle
wintry forge
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It got a lot of heat. I think Eternal kinda went backwards with Hayden’s character, but TAG fixed him right up. It was a satisfying idea (not twist, because that idea was heavily speculated) that was executed in a very DOOM way, and I mean that as a compliment

hard thistle
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I get the idea people just wanted more of Hayden aura farming and saying badass shit in Eternal, but the people who say that IMO also seem to have an oddly sympathetic view of him, which I don't agree with. I think he was a totally evil freak in 2016, a cartoonishly awful CEO who ran the Mars base like it was a fucking gulag, seven day work weeks and disappearing people who didn't work hard enough. He's an asshole.

IMO Eternal took the character in a decent direction, where he's kind of knocked down a peg. He had all the control in 2016 but now in Eternal he's forced to play by the Slayer's rules after he's forcefully shown by Hell that he isn't untouchable after all.

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Revealing him as the Seraphim IMO was a cool move because it kind of thematically ties the UAC and the Maykrs together. This idea that the totally evil, awful capitalist bureacracy the UAC exhibits isn't solely a human creation, but it descends from a primordial, ontological evil that's been around forever. At one point the Maykrs did it, now Hayden does it.

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I think it makes him a pretty interesting character.

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unique marlin
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game says i'm missing a singular piece of gold even though i can't find it on the map, ugh

fleet spruce
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wintry forge
# hard thistle I get the idea people just wanted more of Hayden aura farming and saying badass ...

I think a lot of that is credited to him underestimating Hell and their invasion on Earth. He knew the Slayer would return, but I don’t think he expected to go down fighting before the marine arrived. So i think it knocked him more to his moral senses in some slight way, more or less, to have to submit to the Slayer’s crusade and stop the Maykrs, the Cultist-run UAC, and Hell. I don’t think he ever had a true evil intent, he was just big headed with what he thinks was the right thing to do.

But I agree, with his self-righteousness stemming back to the Maykrs, that really ties in with the UAC as a whole and the ideas he brought to them

hard thistle
wintry forge
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🙌🏻 🙌🏻

hard thistle
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I'm a subscriber to the idea that Hayden wasn't aware of his true identity during 2016 - but he's still gonna have the same personality.

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Ultimately he's a Maykr and I think Maykrs seem to just be pre-disposed towards narcissism and self-importance.

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Which is really interesting because I also think he did still have good intentions in his own weird, kind of twisted way, and it makes me interpret the scene at the end of his boss fight like the Slayer genuinely hesitates to kill him, something he almost never does.

rapid lotus
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No stream tonight ?

green estuary
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I haven't heard anything about them canceling the stream

rapid lotus
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I don't know if they announce a stream at all

green estuary
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they didn't formally announce anything for the previous two weeks either

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the stream just showed up

rapid lotus
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They still tweet nothing on twitter

supple oracle
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It still early dude to announce anything

harsh egret
harsh egret
obsidian shard
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and Show off our Trailers????

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That would be soo cool

harsh egret
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i'm sure they will play some community made presets, so we'll see!

hearty edge
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did they highly optimize this game r what

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how am i getting stable 60fps in this 3050 laptop now

frail bloom
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Is it still at 60?

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Me thinks I'm gonna make another preset tommorrow

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@harsh egret are you gonna play my preset today

ionic glade
silent surge
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i’ve had it give a variety. codex gold ruby etc. someone reported mission challenge type

harsh egret
frosty roost
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helloooo

violet zealot
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ℍ𝕚

mystic barn
harsh egret
frail bloom
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Congratulations sneaky and hato y'all are on there

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I'm not

harsh egret
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tbh i dont wanna set my expectations to see mine there otherwise id be dissapointed as hell lol, but maybe

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i do feel bad tho, hopefully maybe they got more time left and they play more including yours :d

frail bloom
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Thank you it means a lot

harsh egret
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or maybe next week

frail bloom
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I hope they have fun playing y'alls

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I know I did

harsh egret
frail bloom
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I'd say 7.5

harsh egret
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and then also, what would u rate mine

frail bloom
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In difficulty or quality?

harsh egret
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difficulty

frail bloom
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Like a 5

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Nah I retract my statement

harsh egret
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im boutta get fked then

green estuary
frail bloom
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It's a 6.5 I forgot abt the two acolytes

harsh egret
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5 tho is pretty crazy tho, i think it is higher

frail bloom
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6.5 better?

harsh egret
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sounds more about right yeah xd, from what i understand u are better than me at the game so

harsh egret
frail bloom
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130% speed nightmare, that's it

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Pretty cas

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I'm holding off my max slider run💀

harsh egret
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3/5 parry window?

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aka default

frail bloom
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It's not max slider anymore bc of that brink of death slider💀

frail bloom
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harsh egret
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lmfao

frail bloom
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I put that setting on for my first playthrough

harsh egret
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ive yet to test brink of death on hard now that i think about it

frail bloom
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No wonder I felt much better abt the game

harsh egret
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eh i will later

green estuary
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I don't fuck with the game speed anymore, I just jack up the damage and decrease the parry timing

harsh egret
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i love min parry setting, but they need an even lower setting

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and i just play on 110%

green estuary
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do you play on pc?

harsh egret
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ye

frail bloom
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might mess around and post my sliders mod on nexus today

frail bloom
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Bc now it's even harder

green estuary
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the normal min parry window is 200 milliseconds, but I added a 150 milliseconds option
among other things

harsh egret
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ye next make a mod that instead of slowmo on melee and parry the game SPEEDS UP on melee and parry Archie

green estuary
harsh egret
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but ye im surprised how much i like 0% slowmo, didnt think i would

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playing with slowmo while recording was def weird lol

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i swear the default timer should be like increasing based on how many rounds u set

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cuz the amount of times ive just left it on like 5 mins is crazy

frail bloom
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I also think the timer should stop between rounds

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As a qol change

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Not a biggie but would be nice

harsh egret
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them fkin aggadon hunters bruh

frail bloom
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Which round is this

harsh egret
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one did the bash attack into me but the other one got in the way so the one bashing got yeeted away and then everything went to shit

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3

frail bloom
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Oh boi wait till you see 5

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Now that I think abt it maybe I did go a bit far

harsh egret
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my younger self would just bfc the aggadon hunters and lie about it ngl

warm ibex
frail bloom
warm ibex
frail bloom
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Very doable without bfc tho

harsh egret
harsh egret
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target prioritization at its finest ikr

frail bloom
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You're gonna do a bunch of that

brittle finch
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It took me 4 hours of testing total, but I finally got like 10% better performance over stock settings from undervolting and overclocking

green estuary
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oh nice

strong moth
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So, I’ve never had an issue with my DualSense controllers, but since getting Dark Ages, both of my DualSenses have developed drift in the right stick. Has this happened to anyone else? Has the high intensity stick clicking done anyone else’s controllers in?

harsh egret
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like that round is the round i keep dying on but i die to the silliest stuff

frail bloom
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Well if it's silly stuff you don't need to change your strat really

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Just be more careful

harsh egret
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maybe i need to change my melee cuz like half my deaths are the mace doing stupid things

frail bloom
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Good thing you have melee swap

harsh egret
frail bloom
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Now you can comfortably switch

hard thistle
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Made a shitty graph about the whole time dilation thing yesterday.

frail bloom
thorn gyro
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Has there been anything new added to the dark ages or any new info on the dlc?

frail bloom
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Oh buddy

frail bloom
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I have a lot of dlc info too but not gonna post rn

frail bloom
hard thistle
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@mystic barn I think this makes sense honestly.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1435655889825697883/1441173417062826155/image.png?ex=6920d4d6&is=691f8356&hm=3e3cc0c8b38b5da381bad591831a5d5ec51194cc0c3132793d53d0c9ed569796&
So the idea here is indeed that Earth is effectively 60 million years ahead of Argent D'Nur. Since nobody ever goes from Earth to Argent D'Nur (except TAG2, we'll get to that), this is the functional space between them. Thus, ontologically, spacetime is dictating that.

So when the Deag teleport to Earth to do the Doom Hunter Base bullshit, from a "present day" (60Ma ago, from Earth's POV) Argent D'Nur perspective, they did this only a few thousand years ago. But from Earth's perspective, it was 60 million years ago.

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Now, this leads to Part 2. The Fortress of Doom Codex page says that the ship is manipulating space around it, for some reason, using Sentinel energy. It doesn't say why, but I think this gives a good explanation: It's manipulating the space around it so that the ship is tethered to the Argent D'Nur of 60 million years ago.

frail bloom
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The Argent D'Nur of 60 mil years?

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Or a few thousand years

mystic barn
hard thistle
# frail bloom The Argent D'Nur of 60 mil years?

Yeah. Under this idea when we go to Argent D'Nur in Eternal, that's the planet 60 million years ago, from Earth's perspective. See, if you teleported normally, it'd be the opposite.

When the Deag go from Argenta to Earth, they are effectively going in the "past," because any conventional travel to Earth should have taken 60 million years, instead of instantly. Instantly means the past.

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But it, it changes depending on where you're going, right? Because Earth is only 60 million years "ahead" from Argent D'Nur's POV.

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From Earth's POV, Argent D'Nur would be the planet that's "ahead." So doing this would mean going into Argent D'Nur's "past," much sooner than you should've taken to get there.

frail bloom
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I see

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I getchu

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Awesome y'all figured it out

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Very big brain stuff here

ionic glade
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So I think what's happening is that the Fortress of Doom is enabling the Slayer to reverse that connection. It tethers the Fortress of Doom to the same time that Argent D'Nur is in, instead of the time that Earth is in.

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Yeah, see, because you'd be going into the future. If the Argent D'Nur levels happen 60 million years in the "past" relative to Earth, then if you teleported to Argent D'Nur normally, it'd be flipped. You'd be going there to the "present" from Earth's perspective, which would be 60 million years later than the Eternal levels. But I think the Fortress of Doom is preventing that and tethering the ship to the planet's timeframe, so that when the Slayer goes back it's relative to Argent D'Nur rather than Earth.

green estuary
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also how's your UN run going @ionic glade

hard thistle
cerulean pagoda
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I finally set up 15 hours for myself I can do a UN run on the weekend finally

ionic glade
green estuary
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nice

violet zealot
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𝔻𝕒𝕟𝕘 𝟙. 𝟚𝕜 𝕙𝕣𝕤!!!!

arctic flame
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No stream tonight fam?

violet zealot
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Guess not

arctic flame
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The sadistic mode in ripatorium 2.0, last round is kicking my butt on nightmare. One shot from the vagary's projectiles breaks my shield and even though I seem to parry on time the Komodo's spear attack manages to cancel out my parry. Seems like my stroke and age has finally turned against me.

mystic barn
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supple oracle
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Question for anyone played RIPATORIUM, did anyone experience demons despawn for no reason, especially when you throw the shield at demons ??

harsh egret
ionic glade
lean jasper
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How do I quick swap runes and melees on console

mystic barn
ionic glade
lean jasper
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Thank you

harsh egret
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@frail bloom honestly ill give it another try tmr cuz im just banging my head against a wall atm

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but from what ive played tho it is fun and well set up

ionic glade
grim cloud
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goping through Nightmare without spending gold/rubies/ect. jsut beat sieg 2. getting kinda spicy

hearty edge
green estuary
harsh egret
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the hell lol

supple oracle
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Just happened to me again just now, Id aware if these issue, if anyone has a record when that happen dm to me

obsidian shard
slender night
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I had fun

fading osprey
slender night
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Gonna go back to get the 100% tomorrow

strong moth
solar spoke
warm ibex
supple oracle
warm ibex
elder raven
warm ibex
elder raven
warm ibex
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I hope he doesn't have.... arachnophobia

elder raven
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REFERENCE !

harsh egret
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josh jebaited me and sneaky

obsidian shard
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or

harsh egret
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i cri

obsidian shard
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One each week

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Im da thinker

harsh egret
elder raven
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he might play all of these this stream

harsh egret
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copium

elder raven
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you never knowww

obsidian shard
green estuary
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hugo in all likelihood wont' even get through horde's preset lol

wintry forge
elder raven
warm ibex
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especially if he uses the thirteen minute time limit

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he didn't do bad once he upped the time on Sadistic

solar spoke
supple oracle
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I played your presets @warm ibex I like the fact each round got harder, Trying to say great pacing

winter fog
warm ibex
warm ibex
supple oracle
warm ibex
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ah I see

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already has a good name as-is

supple oracle
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Thinking something like, "Borjs and Pits"

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Borj mean in my lang tower

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but obviously need to work alot in the name LOL

warm ibex
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that's a funny name lmao

supple oracle
frail bloom
harsh egret
frail bloom
harsh egret
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idk maybe its just me since i kept failing on wave 3 but i just wanted to get back to wave 3 and retry as fast as i could and wave 1 wasnt particularly hard so i know i can do it back to back

frail bloom
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Oh I getchu

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Ye go ahead

cerulean pagoda
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Okay got it, punch cancels with the flail go faster

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It has some use now

warm ibex
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@harsh egret shame on you

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you've disgraced the id software name

frail bloom
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He's the #1 glazer dw

warm ibex
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lmao

elder raven
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@harsh egret what is your issue

harsh egret
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yh my fault

frail bloom
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Shame

harsh egret
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i just really dont like the new ragdolls

warm ibex
elder raven
warm ibex
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no stream next week, but probably Ripatorium 2.0 and Doom 3 stream the week after Thanksgiving. Might be last stream before holidays

harsh egret
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hell ye

elder raven
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dlc will progress the fiction

frail bloom
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Hugo made a funny face

elder raven
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efforts are being made to progress the lore forward

harsh egret
solar spoke
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we're progressing the lore guys doomguy_grin

elder raven
frail bloom
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So smt in the codex is being progressed

harsh egret
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he basically said this like 2 months ago

frail bloom
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Lol we've had that before

elder raven
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im guessing the dreadnought?

frail bloom
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Bummer

frail bloom
harsh egret
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ok now he said smth

elder raven
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there will be some connections being made to 2016

frail bloom
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And what would that be????

elder raven
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steps will be making towards 2016

elder raven
warm ibex
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wretch, maybe?

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I dunno

harsh egret
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slayer gates yessssss

elder raven
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@warm ibex

warm ibex
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lmao

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already wrote it down

solar spoke
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we maybe gonna get a game between 2016 and Eternal now? (probably not lol)

elder raven
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wretch 👀

warm ibex
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wretch 👀

harsh egret
green estuary
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why did he read the wretch comment out loud...

cerulean pagoda
green estuary
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interesting

solar spoke
cerulean pagoda
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What do I need for the dreadmaces third upgrade I forgot

frail bloom
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Bruh when

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I completely missed that

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He seriously read wretch outloud?

mystic barn
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AND HE SAID HM, NOT INTERESTING, WRETCH CONFIRMED

frail bloom
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Adding that...

elder raven
mystic barn
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I'm not being serious. It was probably a fuck up

green estuary
solid nacelle
warm ibex
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very.... interesting

solid nacelle
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I commented about the discovery of nekravol which is something I'd been hoping to see in the dlc

harsh egret
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HugoSaint interesting..

frail bloom
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It's the earliest in the timeline pertaining to the civil war

solid nacelle
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Also the "that's a different game" with the post 2016 stuff...

harsh egret
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veeeeery interesting is what a wise man once said

solar spoke
harsh egret
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im down for a game thats between 2016 and eternal lol

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im so down

magic spoke
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^

frosty pine
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Unless I’m misremembering something

green estuary
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wtf hugo
who actually likes nightmare imps

magic spoke
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i remember being so confused playing eternal because of the gap

cerulean pagoda
sudden stump
frosty pine
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Honestly a new doom comic or novel would be pretty nice

warm ibex
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hugo mentioned a Serrat figure and josh said that's not ready yet 👀

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that serrat statue is coming....

harsh egret
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jebaited x2

warm ibex
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he just mentioned the larger serrat

harsh egret
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the 2 youtooz were supposed to ship last week and they havent yet

warm ibex
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keep up, hato

harsh egret
green estuary
warm ibex
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eyes and ears open. we're getting that statue

harsh egret
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plushie serrat imagine

elder raven
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mancubus mayhem 🆘